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Binaryspellbook
9th January 2011, 15:55
With the preponderance of evidence firmly in the court of people such as Bauval, Hancock, West et al. Just how much longer are our children going to be spoonfed the absolute bunkum espoused by the likes of Zahi Hawas and Mark Lehner.

Frankly I'm sick of it. I'm not a violent man by any stretch of the imagination. However, each time I listen to one of these people. Smugly dismissing everything but their own entrenched paradigm formed of one inch thoughts. I get an embarrassing urge to catch them such a one on the snout that I should be very tired afterwards.

Why do they get away with it. What the bloody hell is going on. What will it take to get these worn old nags put out to pasture and our education system drastically reviewed ?

Seikou-Kishi
9th January 2011, 16:01
They get away with it because they are allowed to get away with it by the only real authority on the planet: us.

Bill Ryan
9th January 2011, 16:08
With the preponderance of evidence firmly in the court of people such as Bauval, Hancock, West et al. Just how much longer are our children going to be spoonfed the absolute bunkum espoused by the likes of Zahi Hawas and Mark Lehner.

Frankly I'm sick of it. I'm not a violent man by any stretch of the imagination. However, each time I listen to one of these people. Smugly dismissing everything but their own entrenched paradigm formed of one inch thoughts. I get an embarrassing urge to catch them such a one on the snout that I should be very tired afterwards.

Why do they get away with it. What the bloody hell is going on. What will it take to get these worn old nags put out to pasture and our education system drastically reviewed ?

Why don't you tell us how you really feel? :)

I agree, actually - I think the only change that will happen in the Supreme Council of Antiquities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Council_of_Antiquities) will be when Zahi Hawass retires.

GK76
9th January 2011, 16:15
As usual academia is pumping these "facts" (and I use the term very loosely) into the minds of the new waves of archaeologists; this and the current mob headed by the likes of Hawass further perpetuate these "facts" with spammed TV documentaries. This is a very strong defensive position mainly because it isn't too challenging to the illusion created by TPTB. I love the work(s) by Bauval and Hancock because they break the old limited viewpoint with the rediscovered technologies and historical evidence. Still they have a long way to go, and I doubt there will be much change on this front without a major revelation across all fields of study.

Fredkc
9th January 2011, 16:47
I get an embarrassing urge to catch them such a one on the snout that I should be very tired afterwards.
http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif

I love that!

Note to public: We definitely need more Scots with a sense of humor, around here.
Fred

Binaryspellbook
9th January 2011, 17:46
Why don't you tell us how you really feel? :)

I agree, actually - I think the only change that will happen in the Supreme Council of Antiquities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Council_of_Antiquities) will be when Zahi Hawass retires.

I concurr 100% Bill. Hawass is the single most destructive component in this entire problem. I remember watching a documentary recently on the web, where Hawass guided a "sceptical toadie"
into the upper relief chamber in the Great Pyramid. Here he claimed that there were hieroglyphs that were viewable behind one of the stone blocks. Clearly if there were hieroglyphs behind a block then they must have been written before it was placed. Hawass claimed that these glyphs were viewed by placing a mirror through a small opening enabling the rear of the block to be seen. Of course he did not demonstrate this, nor offer any evidence photographic or other. The sceptical sycophant of course did not demand proof. He simply fawned a little more in Hawass' presence and accepted it. This is so typical of the man.

As an aside Bill I would urge you to try and interview Dr David Lewis Anderson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70L6hqcB4ng). It would seem that time control is now a reality and that they have actually moved people back and forth in time. The link I provided is part one of a rather long six part interview with Art Bell. Perhaps yourself or Fred could start a new thread in the appropriate forum with the link. I'd love to see you get this incredibly interesting and open man in the Avalon chair in front of a camera.

Menkaure
10th January 2011, 02:47
Lets all chip in and buy Zahi Hawass a serious wound!

Mod edit, let's remember to follow the forum guidelines and not entice violence.

Lost Soul
10th January 2011, 14:07
I agree, actually - I think the only change that will happen in the Supreme Council of Antiquities will be when Zahi Hawass retires.

Hawass is due to retire in a couple of years. They have mandatory retirement in Egypt and he's no spring chicken. Even with Hawass out of the picture, don't expect any sudden changes. There are too many academic reputations at stake. We might even see the hand of Rockefeller in the picture - just like his foundation did with the Dead Sea Scrolls. They may pay for all the preservation but then limit access to pre-approved academians/writers.

Binaryspellbook
10th January 2011, 21:15
Hawass is due to retire in a couple of years. They have mandatory retirement in Egypt and he's no spring chicken. Even with Hawass out of the picture, don't expect any sudden changes. There are too many academic reputations at stake. We might even see the hand of Rockefeller in the picture - just like his foundation did with the Dead Sea Scrolls. They may pay for all the preservation but then limit access to pre-approved academians/writers.

You are most probably correct LS. While Hawass is the public face, I would agree that there must be other forces behind the scenes. I find it very confusing however that Hawass still spouts the same old codswallop. He is a patriot and passionate about his country. As a Scot I can understand this very well. So why does he continue. Surely if the truth were to come out it could only benefit his country. Doesn't he have the humility to admit he was wrong. Is his ego so important to him that he cannot bring himself to face the truth, even when it's biting him on the arse every ten bloody seconds.

It's only pre-dynastic Egypt that is affected by the truth. The rest is as it is. Nobody is disputing that. Therefore there is still a place for the old guard. Albeit a slightly diminished one. Perhaps he (and the rest of that bunch) simply don't have the guts to face the truth.

silvervioletrubie
27th January 2011, 08:35
This is where we can be the wave of change. I cannot change the minds of the entrenched, but I can and do focus on delivering valid and thoughtful perspectives on these subjects to my children and my community. If my generation had been taught to to cut thru BS and see things based on evidence and not dogmatic text books...we might not be in the place we are today. The perspective of our history that folks like Hancock and Bauval have given (proven in a scientific fashion for us) is immense to our understanding of how we fit in this universe. When given to a young mind, who knows what changes are possible!. It is up to all of us to continually suggest and discuss the alternative views of our history and human consciousness with our community. And here we are......Thank you all!

conk
27th January 2011, 16:50
My blood pressure soars when I hear a geologist or other 'expert' claim that multiple 90 degree angles of perfectly smooth, immense rock are natural occurences! WHAT?! Mother Nature is simply amazing in her design, but she does not sculpt such wonders as found under water all over the world. They must use lots of botox in order to say the things they say with a straight face.

mrmalco
30th January 2011, 15:02
There really are two cultures meeting now. The old culture was time-honoured academia with its history, its qualifications, its peer reviews (and equivalent peer pressures), its 'halls of learning', libraries, standard publications etc. People researching any field got to know each other's learned (often not-so-learned) papers and dissertations. Roughly speaking a 'closed shop' - quite a big one but closed nonetheless.

That was the world that prevailed when I was at University in the early sixties and right up until - starting noticeably in the nineties and now in full flood - WHAM - www!

Progressively information, that would have taken years of specialisation, qualifications and even physical travel to amass, is available to anyone with enough previous info. to use search-words intelligently. There's still a lot that's buried in academic libraries that you need estabishment accreditations to get at; but overall specialist research has been liberated and, given interest and some digging, one can find a tremendous amount.

The old guard still haven't really registered that they don't own information any more. That the self-educated 'amateur' researcher is now a legitimate participant in the discourse. So e.g. marine archaeologists who last put a foot in the water on a tourist beach still think they have some sort of knowledgeable justification to contradict the truly scholarly studies of Graham H and his photographer wide Santha, who've actually done around 2000 dives. Perhaps more that all the marine archaeologists in all the Universities in UK put together.

These cultures are beginning to converge but the old remedy is likely still to be needed. One lot have to retire and die for their nonsense to go the way it now seems to deserve. Which is depressing for us older geezers who may peg out before some of our subjects of interest get the fully informed public coverage they warrant.

Borden
12th February 2011, 22:04
I totally agree with the OP, and occasionally entertain less than friendly feelings towards the propagators of the party line as regards our history as a species. It's wonderful to watch people like Klaus Dona asking questions on his discoveries. But Hawass retiring will not change a thing, and I feel similarly about the current political situation in Egypt. The Who sang something about bosses once, I think it applies here there and everywhere where there is a cabal governed agenda in question.

I've read so much about suits turning up at digs, and about threats and secrecy contracts - that I can only assume the truth of our origins and history is of quite some importance to the scumbags who run this planet as a company. That obviously means it is of quite some importance to us. How are we to change anything when they govern the infrastructure of these things so tightly? This truly is a slave planet.