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Mutchie
9th January 2011, 18:30
From http://thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Case_for_Civilization_on_the_Moon.html

There is a civilization of Human beings who live on the moon.

This is the BIGGEST and Best kept secret on Planet Earth.

The nearside of the moon which is the side that faces earth appears to be desolate and unoccupied.

The farside of the moon which also has a breathable atmospere also has lakes,rivers,forests,snow capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 and that the earths gravity is 5.5gr/cm3 and with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:

Fg=G x m1m2/r2

The assumption that the density of the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 is based on:

1)Earth density is 5.5gr/cm3 and the gravity of the moon is one sixth that of earth.
2)Observations of asteroids and the earths polar axis
3)Angular momentum
4)Soil samples from the moon
5)Keplers third Law
6)Shockwave measurement

In fact we have no idea what the density of the moon is and we are just assuming that the density is 3.3gr/cm3 because that is the only explanation apparent to us at this time. it seems to make sense.

Just as we have no idea what the density of the earth is . We make educated guesses of 5.5gr/cm3 and we say "Well it has to be 5.5gr/cm3 because the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 and the moons gravity is one sixth that of the earth so there is no other option.

Oh yes ,and the Cavendish experiment with 2 solid metal spheres. This experiment determined the gravitational constant in Newtons gravitational equation which was then used to determine the mass of the earth.

And of course they hypothesize and inner and outer iron core of earth to make in density what they lack in actual evidence.

So essentially we dont really know what the earths density is.

There are 5 main theories for the existence of the moon in orbit around earth and they are:
1)Capture from an independent orbit.
2)Formation as a double planet
3)Fission from a rapidly rotating earth.
4)disintegration of incoming planetismals
5)Earth impact by a mars sized planetismal.

There is another theory that is not generally accepted but its occurrence is far more likely and that is that our moon was placed in orbit around our earth by a civilization very far advanced from our own.

Our moon is in rotational lock around the earth.This means that only one face or one hemisphere of the moon, what we call the nearside ever faces earth.

A contemporary and completely fallacious and bogus explanation by mainstream science for rotational lock is a fantsy force called "tidal locking", which has forced the moon, whatever its origin, into this rotational lock.

Tidal locking was only proposed a few years ago to explain the moons rotational lock.

In fact in my opinion, tidal locking has no scientific validity and those who defend it are only making up a theory to account for the unexplainable, which is what mainstream science is all about anyway.

The scientific community claims that most all of the moons and satellites of the planets in the solar system are tidally locked with their mother planets. in my opinion that is not a fact.

One of the earliest memories of man is that there was a time many thousands of years ago when there was no moon in the sky.

Immanuel Velikovsky wrote that Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the earth was without a moon. Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes had a population of Pelasgians and that these aborigines occupied the land already there" before there was a moon in the sky above the earth", for this reason they were called Proselenes.

Apollonius Rhodius mentioned the time"when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens"before the Danai and the Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived of whom it is said that they dwelt on the mountains and fed on acorns before there was a moon.

So there are several ideas of how the moon came into existence, Mine is that a largeship, towed from solar system to solar system with its prime mission to help jump start lesser advanced civilizations, spending many thousands and thousands of years in secret manipulations and stimulations, until that lesser civilization can continue on their own, then moving to another solar system.

Whatever you decide the moon really is or where it came from or how it got her and placed itself into a rotationally locked orbit there are many strange things about our moon which are not easily explained.

One is that its size, when viewed from earth is identical to the apparent size of the sun. Isaac Asimov says "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well" it is the sheerest of coincidences and only the earth is blessed in this fashion".

Moon rocks were dated 5.3 billion years old approximately 700 million years older than the earth.

The moons composition should conform to normal planetary formation with heavier elements in the core ond lighter elements at the surface, on the moon however elements like titainium are found on the surface in great quantity.

Another oddity is that women of childbearing age menstruate once every complete cycle of the moon(27.3 days).

Many scientists and astronomers in history have proposed and or believed that the moon has a breathable atmoshere and that there is a civilization, possibly of human like beings that live on the farside.

In the 1950,s there were a number of men,derogatorily referred to as contactees that claimed to have been taken to the moon in flying saucers. They were shown magnificent cities with enormous buildings many strange structures and constructs,rivers,lakes,meadows,forests along with fantastic scenery much of it similar to earth.

Two of these contactees were George Adamski & Howard Menger,who unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the pentagon.

Howard claimed to have ridden on a train which was a strange vechile that had no wheels,rested in suspension about a foot above a copper highway which ribboned through the terrain and disappeared from view "he went on" we boarded the train and soon were gliding noiselessly above the highway. as we traveled we could see all around us and above us.

Howard went on to describe the terrain some of the terrain in one section of the moon near the so called dark side reminded me of flagstaff, Arizona while other sections made me think of Nevada. Huge cliffs and mouyntains made our own look like ant hills. At one point we stopped long enough for your guide to open the door and permit us to stick our heads out for a brief moment which was all we could take for it was terribly hot outside like a blast furnace. he was certain no one could have lived outside very long and was glad when the door was shut.

At the end of the 4 day tour menger said they were wined and dined along with many others who had taken the tour.

Whatever the truth there is certainly photographic evidence by Russian Zond, Lunar orbiter and Apollo mission photos that clearly show buildings, mining operations ,and mining equipment , factories , domes ,cranesand in one case in the crater Aristarchus we can see what appears to be a huge 24mile diameter hexagonal dome shaped structure, emitting or surrounded by a strange blue glow.

This blue glow has been described by one nuclear physicist as the Cherenkov effect which is the result of radiation coming in contact with molecules of air.
Modern science has claimed the moon is airless, that although there is an atmosphere it is so minute it is virtually a vacuum.
They back up this claim with the formula that the moon has only one sixth gravity of the earth and further claim that no breathable atmosphere could be held intact with that amount of gravity.

They also point to the films of the apollo astronauts hopping and skipping across the lunar landscapes in apparent one sixth gravity.

If one points out that these hops and skips are barely more than 12 inches high,18 inches at the most they tell you that the astronauts were wearing very heavy spacesuits and backpacks and that it was dangerous to take advantage of the minimum gravity to jump any higher.

If a breathable atmosphere is suggested mainstream science counters that there is no occultation of a star passing behind the moon,thereby proving, they say, that there is no atmosphere

If you propose that the atmosphere could be very,very clean with no dust or other particles and that the height of the atmosphere might not be thick enough to actually see an occultation they dismiss it with "what about all the scientific data from all the moon probes and apollo astronauts?"

And therein lays the question of whether or not there is more than one sixth gravity and or a breathable atmosphere on the moon: WHO IS CORRECT?
The contactees who say there is a civilization on the moon with some gravity and a breathable atmosphere or mainstream science with all their billions of dollars of scientific probes and the testimony of the apollo astronauts ,WHO,IT IS CLAIMED,WERE ACTUALLY THERE ?.

One of those astronauts Buzz Aldrin had this to say about what it felt like to be on the moon: For christs sake i dont know , i just dont know. i have been frustrated since the day i left the moon by that question.

Edgar Mitchell had this to say :Somehow i couldnt resurrect the feelings i had while there although my thoughts and actions were easily summoned.
And Neil Armstrong has had little to say about being the first man on the moon. At the 25th anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing on the moon he commented "there are"breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers, there are places to go beyond belief !

Another puzzle in the mystery of the moon is the so called neutral point. The neutral point is that point in space,between the earth and the moon where the pull of the earths gravity is exactly equal to the gravity of the earth is equal pull of the moons gravity, hence neutral point.

Mainstream science, up until a few years ago maintained that the nuetral point was 24,000 miles from the moon and that,according to the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse square which states:

Any physical quantity or strength is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them,specifically the gravatational attraction between two massive objects in additional to being directly proportional to the product of their masses,is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

The gravity on the moon would be one sixth that of earth.

But there a few problems with that 24,000 figure.

At a point 43,495 miles from the moon,lunar gravity exerted a force equal to the gravity of the earth, then some 200,000 miles distant - Werner von Braun(Time magazine,july25,1969)

This is Eugene Cernans book " The last man on the moon" written with Don Davis. (Inbound to the moon) "It was saturday December 9 and we were in the moons firm hold about 38,000 miles out and drawing closer by the moment.

This is Michael Collins book, Carryin the fire an astronauts journey -
(Outbound from the moon)Houston reports the instant at which we leave the lunar sphere of influence . This means that despite the fact we are only 34,000 nautical miles(39,000statue miles) from the moon and still 174,000 miles from the earth/ the earths pull has become dominant and the mathematical equations now recognise that fact.

Reginald Turnhill"The Moonlandings" (Inbound to the moon) Soon after that a new stage in manned space flight was achieved, like a ball thrown upwards the space craft had been gradually slowing down until its velocity was 2724mph and its position was 202825 miles from earth, and 38,900 miles from the moon.For the first time men had reached a point where the pull of earths gravity was less than that of another body. Now the pull of lunar gravity was greater and the crafts speed began to increase again as it fell towards the moon.

No matter how many flip flopping,flap jacking earth moon sun spheres of influence paradigm shifting non rotating frames of reference you throw into the mix the fact is at some point the Apollo spacecraft left the dominant pull of earths gravity and was in the dominant pull of the moons gravity of left the dominant pull of the moons gravity and was in the dominant pull of earths gravity. THAT POINT IS THE NEUTRAL POINT !

Now lets look at the POSSIBILITY,however far fetched it may seem and suppose that some INCREDIBLY ADVANCED CIVILIZATION wanted to monitor earth and its start upmankind,The dawn of civilization on earth.

Lets suppose they built a huge spaceship in the form of the moon. They have designed it so that mankind will never have an inkling that they are being watched, nurtured and hepled along.

The spaceship moon has one hemisphere an atmosphere, normal gravity lakes,mountains,rivers,meadows,forests,large cities in which the owners live and carry out their monitoring of earth.

On the other hemisphere is a bleak,desolate,seemingly deserted land bereft of any apparent life, with thousands of craters, huge mares of unknown material and mountain ranges.

They place spacecraft moon in orbit so that, at least for a while mankind, in their infinite ignorance will conclude:there can be no gravity,there can be no atmosphere,conclusion?

NOBODY IS AT HOME !

The mysterious watchers with technology advanced by hundreads of thousands of yearshas managed to create gravity which is normal on their side but less on the side seen by earth.

They may accomplish this feat by locating a gravity b generator inside the moon slightly further from earth than the geocentric center. The gravity generator would cause a normal 1"g" gravity other farside .64"g"on the nearside.

One of the mysteries of the moon is her mascons. Mascons are massive concentrations of gravity which affect the orbital paths of spacecraft flying over them,

The known Mascons on the nearside are Imbrium,Serentatis,Crisium
Nectarisand Humorum.

Here is how they are oriented on the nearside of spaceship moon:
http://moongravityawave3mk5
Since this spaceship moon is not really a moon composed of dirt ,rock and iron core it cant maintain its distance from earth by normal gravitational attraction(its not dense enough)it has to maintain its distance from earth by other than the gravity generated by the gravity b generator.

To maintain its distance from earth, The spaceship moon might use a gravity A wave generator which is not actually a generator as such, it is a machine that accesses and amplified the gravity a wave which can exert an enormous pull. SO ENOURMOUS in fact that it can hold the spaceship moon in orbit around the earth by using the gravity A wave which pulss it towards the earth or actually pulls the earth towards the moon.

In 1856 , Peter Hansen, A much respected Danish mathematician and Astronomer proposed to the Royal astronomical society that the moon was not Spherical but ellipsodial with the longest axis directed towards the earth Based on the very slight discrepancy between the observed position of the moon and its position predicted by calculation he hypothesized the the moons center of gravity was not at its geometric centre but actually located at a point 59 kilometres farther from earth rather than the centre of the figure.

His theory was that the hemisphere turned towards earth would be elevated above the average altitude of the moons surface and would therefore be sterile because any atmosphere would seek a lower altitude. But he proposed that the opposite hemisphere lower in altitude could have an atmosphere and it was not impossible that there existed vegetation and living things.

All of us have been told,since we were old enough to listen that the moon is a desolate, airless colorless wasteland.

The U.S. Goverment even spent 20 billion dollars on the Apollo program to make sure that we believed it so .They showed us movies of the apollo astronauts, wearing moon suits hopping around in what was said to be one sixth gravity of the earth.

I once talked to a former Nasa psychologist who said her job was to work with the Apollo astronauts after their flight to the moon to help them deal with the fact that they could not tell the public what they really saw there. He said they talked of HUGE CONSTRUCTS.

SO NASA HAS LIED TO US FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT THE MOON "WHY"....WHY INDEED.

The reality is the moon is an interesting place with most everything we have here on earth,gravity,breathable atmosphere,a civilization far more advanced than our own,forests,lakes,bridges,highways,huge structures the purpose of which we can only guess ....Thank you

str8thinker
9th January 2011, 23:53
If the far side of the moon has an atmosphere, why doesn't this cause a "glow" at the edge that we can see? And why doesn't the atmosphere leak over to the side that we can see?


(Mutchie) Two of these contactees were George Adamski & Howard Menger,who unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the pentagon.

What evidence is there for this? I can find nothing relating to Adamski. On the other hand, Menger might have been used by the Pentagon, but for a different reason.


Later, in letters to investigators Jim Mosely and Gray Barker (publisher of From Outer Space to You), Menger described his book as 'fiction-fact' and implied that the Pentagon had given him the films of saucers and requested he participate in an experiment to test the public's reaction to extraterrestial contact.' He has helped us, therefore, to dismiss his entire story as not only a hoax, but a hoax perpetrated by the US Government,' wrote Keel.

The Howard Menger Case - Part 5 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/message/5616)


There seems considerable evidence that Adamski was a fraud:


There are three types of Adamski fans :

1. the credulous ones who believe all what Adamski said, either in his books or in his lectures, without ever questioning it
2. those who are afraid to recognize they could have been duped and who find it easier to believe than to deny
3. those who know he was a liar and who say the contrary for various reasons that I leave to your imagination.

Why I can say that Adamski was a Liar (http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=101)

More on Adamski:
UFO photos: Adamski scout ships (http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/ufo-photos-adamski-scout-ships/)

George Adamski (http://www.ufopsi.com/articles/georgeadamski.html)

George Adamski (Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Adamski)

This image taken from William Brian's 1982 book Moongate (http://tinyurl.com/2dbm7go) indicates that Menger's description was similar to that of Adamski's, as noted by John Lear (see Howard Menger - Extraterrestrials link below). However, it does not exclude the possibility that one of them might have copied the description from the other.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Color/Moongate_Moons_SkyA.png

Howard Menger - Extraterrestrials (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Howard_Menger_001.html)

Howard Menger case illuminates Extraterrestrial infiltration of Earthbound human society (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/14/01998.html)

Bizarre Moon Theories (http://www.witchway.net/moon/mcrazy.html)

Howard Menger’s Final Journey (http://www.strangeattractor.co.uk/further/?p=1287)

Howard Menger Revisited (http://paranormalnewslink.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/howard-menger-revisited/)

Official Howard Menger Website (http://howardmenger.com/)

My own position: Adamski's claims are fairly easy to debunk, Menger's less so. As for the Moon, there may well be hidden bases on the other side, but hardly forests and lakes as claimed.

There are several other threads in Project Avalon relating to the Moon.

The Hollow Moon? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4977)

The moon is artificial indeed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2942)

Far side of the moon revealed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9573)

98% of Earths Oxygen gone! Moon put here by Anunnaki (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10866-98-of-Earths-Oxygen-gone!-Moon-put-here-by-Anunnaki)

vericocha
10th January 2011, 00:02
Wow what a post Mutchie! Very interesting. I tend to go with the Artificial spaceship hypothesis backed up by hollow sounds and Glass construction.
The fact that Nasa has being reluctant to return and the amount of image fakery as described by Hoagland demonstrates the cover up by the PTB. Thanks for your post. Rob

Banshee
10th January 2011, 00:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa2pCp8BEi0

Mutchie
10th January 2011, 02:12
Thanks for your reply sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you - you Know everyone nowadays within the exopolitics circles goes on about disclosure and that is okay but when you talk of extraterrestials most folks are thinking of beings from another star system etc etc im thinking we should look right above us at the moon !

Whether there is an atmosphere or not is an arguement that can swing to and fro all night but NO ONE can deny the HUGE STRUCTURES which are plain for all to see and the glass domes and everything else which has been photographed up there, I believe there is a base up there , John Lears living moon site has photos of what they think is a SPACE PORT AND CRAFTS !

WHAT ANNOYS ME IS THAT WE ARE THE MINORITY SEEKING ANSWERS THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE SHOULD BE ASKING !

and if they have the technology to lock in the moon in orbit around the earth they MAY have technology which would stagger the mind ....

I noticed with GREAT INTEREST the other day Charles mentioning the technology on the moon which if they could pop into a capsule and bring back to earth -

thats all well and good but im willing to bet we wont go back to moon "WHY" because its populated already and we have been told to stay away

Why is America so Hell Bent on Weaponising space ? disclosure might SHOCK US ALL especially if we find et was above us right from the dawn of mankind.

noprophet
10th January 2011, 02:42
Check out the video/s in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10532-Lunar-Structures-Mind-Blowing).

Mutchie
10th January 2011, 02:53
Thank you noprophet i like that name by the way lol

I watched moon rising recently and found it to be very informative its good to see that the information is getting out to the masses but i feel it isnt happening fast enough sometimes -

I mean if i come on avalon and talk to the average member they know most things but if its friends at work or people i know in general many of them have NO IDEA about the things which are
happening like disclosure or say moon structures etc - infact many times im told im online to much i suppose im thankfull to have a site like this to turn to

ArtyCarl
10th January 2011, 09:53
Science fiction writers have always enjoyed speculating about life on the other planets and the moon holds a somewhat unique place in that it always shows us the same side, leading to a mysterious 'dark' side.

This of course is nonsense as the far side gets just as much light from the sun as the rest of it but because we dont get to see it there is that added unknown factor that lends to the mystique.

The far side has, however, been imaged in great detail although, again adding to the mystique, only a fraction of the photos have ever been made public.

The photos show, unsurprisingly, much the same kind of barren, crater strewn landscapes as the side we do see.

I would have to see some proper evidence before I was convinced that there are bases on the moon, and none of the pictures I have seen hawked around the internet purporting to show bases is what I would call proper evidence.

Until then I consider it a product of the fear of the unknown.

Mutchie
10th January 2011, 12:52
Thank you for your reply i would suggest you go to http://thelivingmoon.com as it holds nearly every photo which has been made available by nasa
and you will not believe the things they have found up there and its all on camera im talking citys , buildings ,mining strips , roads , mining equipment , statues , massive glass domes , pyramids ,
and much much more it really does drive home the fact that either there was civilization there or there STILL IS TO THIS DAY .......

I THINK THE LATTER IS THE TRUTH

ps: i tried to put in some images of structures i have photos of but for what ever reason it would not work

DawgBone
10th January 2011, 13:16
Interesting post! The more we learn about the moon, the stranger it gets.

I've always been fascinated by George Gurdjieff's assessment:

"Everything living on the Earth, people, animals, plants, is food for the moon…. All movements, actions, and manifestations of people, animals, and plants depend upon the moon and are controlled by the moon…. The mechanical part of our life depends upon the moon, is subject to the moon. If we develop in ourselves consciousness and will, and subject our mechanical life and all our mechanical manifestations to them, we shall escape from the power of the moon."

http://knol.google.com/k/gurdjieff-the-moon-organic-life#

Here again we have the theme of predation. Humans as food for other beings.

Mutchie
10th January 2011, 14:06
John Lear & many others believe that there is a SOUL CATCHER on the moon "soul catcher pics on the living moon" They believe that when a human baby is born and it is known to be healthy & that it will survive it then has A SOUL placed within it and that the GOAL in life is to learn to live without envy , hate or greed and with as much integrity as possible they believe that when you die you are shown all the GOOD THINGS & ALL THE BAD THINGS which you did while you were alive " There is NO judgement " & then your memory is wiped clean and your soul awaits its turn to try again to live without envy, hate or greed . we are merely containers of souls some of us live hundreads of lives before we get it right & when we do they believe your soul is finally free to travel the universe & participate in many fantastic things !

ThePythonicCow
10th January 2011, 15:56
The case for the civilization on the moon

There is a civilization of Human beings who live on the moon.

This is the BIGGEST and Best kept secret on Planet Earth.

The nearside of the moon which is the side that faces earth appears to be desolate and unoccupied.

The farside of the moon which also has a breathable atmospere also has lakes,rivers,forests,snow capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 and that the earths gravity is 5.5gr/cm3 and with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:

This sounds like nonsense to me.

Mutchie
10th January 2011, 17:48
That is the beauty of a forum like Avalon EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO HIS/HER OWN OPINION & IF YOU FEEL THAT IT IS NONSENSE THEN FINE

but please check out http://thelivingmoon.com at least there you will see certified pictures nasa has taken -

Thank you.

ThePythonicCow
10th January 2011, 20:26
I should have been more specific as to what parts I thought to be nonsense. These parts include:

a human civilization on the moon
a breathable atmosphere (on one side, but not the other, no less)
lakes,rivers,forests,and snow capped mountains
that we don't know the density of the moon (its orbit depends on its mass, its density depends on its size and mass, we can measure its orbit and its size, therefore we can calculate its average density.)

I am willing to suppose that there may be human (or other sentient being) constructions on the moon. I don't know what you were specifically suggesting I see at the http://thelivingmoon.com, but I'm guessing it would be NASA images showing constructions of sentient beings - right?

solipsism
10th January 2011, 21:31
I personally believe that the moon has been visited by humans in the distant past and that there are artifacts there that would confirm this beyond a shadow of a doubt. I also believe that Aliens (non-human entities) are using the moon for purposes unknown and we're either A, in collusion with them at the highest levels and keeping it secret, or B, we seen something there that scared us enough not to return. I've never been fully convinced by the U.S moon landings, but honestly don't have enough information on the subject to say with any conviction that they were all faked. Though I am certain at least some of the footage has been faked. It really is a fascinating topic and there's no doubt that the moon has some pretty unbelievable anomalies that are worth serious investigation.

Mutchie
10th January 2011, 21:31
In actuality my friend i have come to the conclusion that there MAY BE a civilization on the moon , I reached this conclusion after studying the living moon and most if not all of the pictures-

as you probaly know nasa has been photographing the moon since the early 1950,s and in thousands of these we see the following -

1) Buildings 2)roads 3) a mining strip 4) mining equipment 5) huge towers"actual purpose unknown"6) pyramids 7) statues 8)bridges 9)the shard

10)aristarchus "a huge dome within the crater which emmits a blue glow thought to be a fusion reactor 11) a spaceport "photos supplied"

all this and many more things are on the living moon for all to see ....the atmosphere i cant prove i concede that ...Anyway Someone put all this stuff up there -

Is it a civilization who more advanced than our own ? Was it us before did we lose everything and have to start again ?

The more you look into the moon the STRANGER THE STORY BECOMES - WHY HAVE WE NEVER EVER WENT BACK ?

Im willing to bet the U.S GOVERMENT knows exactly who and what is going on up there ....WHY THE BIG SECRET ?

ThePythonicCow
17th February 2013, 01:25
The case for the civilization on the moon

There is a civilization of Human beings who live on the moon.

This is the BIGGEST and Best kept secret on Planet Earth.

The nearside of the moon which is the side that faces earth appears to be desolate and unoccupied.

The farside of the moon which also has a breathable atmospere also has lakes,rivers,forests,snow capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 and that the earths gravity is 5.5gr/cm3 and with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:

This sounds like nonsense to me.

After reading Ingo Swann's book "Penetration" (see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55090-RIP-Ingo-Swann&p=628137&viewfull=1#post628137) for a copy), and various other readings on this forum over the last couple of years ... what you wrote no longer seems like nonsense to me :).

norman
17th February 2013, 01:50
I know this is a thread about the moon and I don't want to go (too far ) off topic, but, I was thinking recently about the atmosphere on Mars.

As I understand it, NASA tell us the atmosphere on Mars is very thin.

It suddenly dawned on me that must be a lie. In all the photos from the surface of Mars, the sky is bright just like the sky on Earth. It doesn't even look a tiny bit darker!

For the sky to look so bright, the atmosphere must be as dense are Earth's atmosphere. A photo from a planet/moon's surface with no atmosphere would show a black sky. A little bit of atmosphere would show a bit of a diffusion of light and a more dense atmosphere, more diffusion etc all the way up to a sky that is all diffusion and no direct star/sun light.

I'm pretty certain they are not only lying about the colors on Mars but also about the atmosphere.

So, what they tell us about the Moon cannot be trusted either.

Magnus
17th February 2013, 05:17
Interesting read which begs for a slight follow-up.



gravity A wave generator

Is a 'gravity wave generator' to your knowledge, in reality an existing confirmed technology? If so, any information you can share would be very welcome.



I once talked to a former Nasa psychologist who said her job was to work with the Apollo astronauts after their flight to the moon to help them deal with the fact that they could not tell the public what they really saw there. He said they talked of HUGE CONSTRUCTS.


Above, "her" and "He" seems to refer to only one person. As this is only possible in rare cases, i presume it's a typing error, or did you have anything else in mind here?

sdv
17th February 2013, 12:32
I know this is a thread about the moon and I don't want to go (too far ) off topic, but, I was thinking recently about the atmosphere on Mars.

As I understand it, NASA tell us the atmosphere on Mars is very thin.

It suddenly dawned on me that must be a lie. In all the photos from the surface of Mars, the sky is bright just like the sky on Earth. It doesn't even look a tiny bit darker!

For the sky to look so bright, the atmosphere must be as dense are Earth's atmosphere. A photo from a planet/moon's surface with no atmosphere would show a black sky. A little bit of atmosphere would show a bit of a diffusion of light and a more dense atmosphere, more diffusion etc all the way up to a sky that is all diffusion and no direct star/sun light.

I'm pretty certain they are not only lying about the colors on Mars but also about the atmosphere.

So, what they tell us about the Moon cannot be trusted either.

No, I don't recall NASA saying that the atmosphere on Mars is very thin (do you have an official quote?). What they have said, officially, is that there is comparitively very little oxygen in the atmosphere around Mars.

sdv
17th February 2013, 13:06
If the far side of the moon has an atmosphere, why doesn't this cause a "glow" at the edge that we can see? And why doesn't the atmosphere leak over to the side that we can see?


(Mutchie) Two of these contactees were George Adamski & Howard Menger,who unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the pentagon.

What evidence is there for this? I can find nothing relating to Adamski. On the other hand, Menger might have been used by the Pentagon, but for a different reason.


Later, in letters to investigators Jim Mosely and Gray Barker (publisher of From Outer Space to You), Menger described his book as 'fiction-fact' and implied that the Pentagon had given him the films of saucers and requested he participate in an experiment to test the public's reaction to extraterrestial contact.' He has helped us, therefore, to dismiss his entire story as not only a hoax, but a hoax perpetrated by the US Government,' wrote Keel.

The Howard Menger Case - Part 5 (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/message/5616)


There seems considerable evidence that Adamski was a fraud:


There are three types of Adamski fans :

1. the credulous ones who believe all what Adamski said, either in his books or in his lectures, without ever questioning it
2. those who are afraid to recognize they could have been duped and who find it easier to believe than to deny
3. those who know he was a liar and who say the contrary for various reasons that I leave to your imagination.

Why I can say that Adamski was a Liar (http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=101)

More on Adamski:
UFO photos: Adamski scout ships (http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/ufo-photos-adamski-scout-ships/)

George Adamski (http://www.ufopsi.com/articles/georgeadamski.html)

George Adamski (Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Adamski)

This image taken from William Brian's 1982 book Moongate (http://tinyurl.com/2dbm7go) indicates that Menger's description was similar to that of Adamski's, as noted by John Lear (see Howard Menger - Extraterrestrials link below). However, it does not exclude the possibility that one of them might have copied the description from the other.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Color/Moongate_Moons_SkyA.png

Howard Menger - Extraterrestrials (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Howard_Menger_001.html)

Howard Menger case illuminates Extraterrestrial infiltration of Earthbound human society (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/14/01998.html)

Bizarre Moon Theories (http://www.witchway.net/moon/mcrazy.html)

Howard Menger’s Final Journey (http://www.strangeattractor.co.uk/further/?p=1287)

Howard Menger Revisited (http://paranormalnewslink.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/howard-menger-revisited/)

Official Howard Menger Website (http://howardmenger.com/)

My own position: Adamski's claims are fairly easy to debunk, Menger's less so. As for the Moon, there may well be hidden bases on the other side, but hardly forests and lakes as claimed.

There are several other threads in Project Avalon relating to the Moon.

The Hollow Moon? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4977)

The moon is artificial indeed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2942)

Far side of the moon revealed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9573)

98% of Earths Oxygen gone! Moon put here by Anunnaki (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10866-98-of-Earths-Oxygen-gone!-Moon-put-here-by-Anunnaki)

I've looked at Moon through a telescope and seen the 'glow around the edge'. It's blue (thin blue line) and I did not see it all around the moon, but I definitely did see it, more than once. Official explanations? They get rather convoluted. Here is the latest one: Dust in the lunar ionosphere (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/14nov_lunarionosphere/),

sdv
17th February 2013, 13:28
Here is a very interesting piece from Perelandra (published in 1938) by C. S. Lewis (the second book in the Cosmic Trilogy).

By the way, Perelandra is Venus, Thulucandra is Earth, Malacandra is Mars. Arbol is Sun. Maleldil is the creator (sort of like god).`There are two inhabitants of Venus (or Perelandra) and Tor is the male version. Each planet has an eldila (not god but more like a presiding spirit - the one on Earth became corrupt and Earth then became the hidden, or prison, planet).


... The siege of your world shall be raised, the black spot cleared away, before the real beginning. In those days Maleldil will go to war - in us, and in many who once were hnau on your world, and in many from far off and in many eldila, and, last of all, in Himself unveiled, He will go down to Thulcadra. Some of us will go before. It is in my mind, Malacandra, that thou and I will be among those. We shall fall upon your moon, wherin there is a secret evil, and which is as the shield of the Dark Lord of Thulucandra - scarred with many a blow. We shall break her. Her light shall be put out. Her fragments shall fall into your world and the seas and the smoke shall arise so that the dwellers in Thulcandra will no longer see the light of Arbol. And as Maleldil Hiself draws near, the evil things in your world shall show themselves stripped of disguise so that plagues and horrors shall cover your lands and seas. But in the end all shall be cleansed, and even the memory of your Black Oyarsa blotted out, and your world shall be fair and sweet and reunited to the field of Arbol and its true name shall be heard again. ...

C. S. Lewis clearly articulates the idea that there is something odd, unnatural and evil about Moon.

KiwiElf
17th February 2013, 13:43
Interesting synchronicity Mutchie... this article just turned up on UFO Digest's site:

Who else could be on the moon?

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/who-else-could-be-moon

By Doc Vega - 21 hours 20 min ago

20417

One of many unexplained lunar anomalies photographed by NASA.

In 1968 Author George Leonard released a book, “Somebody Else Is On The Moon.” This incredible work predates many of the sensational theories and published works that were later to follow by such people as, Richard Hoagland’s seminal works on the Face on Mars which later became a sensation, Erich Von Daniken's Ancient Astronauts, and even Zecheria Sitchin when it came to the interpretation of an unknown phenomena. This man was a contemporary of John A. Keel, who also was busy shaking up society with fascinating theories of extraterrestrials and Fortean events.

The making of an incredible book

In his book, Leonard describes a fruitful relationship with a NASA technician who allowed him to pour over 100,000 Apollo Program photographs of the moon’s surface. This buddy forewarned Leonard that he would encounter strange things on the photos that were up to him to interpret that did not correspond to the normal expectations of most people. It is hard to say whether or not NASA had begun air brushing or smudging controversial images on the lunar surface at this point, but what George found as he poured over thousands of these photos taken by NASA astronauts was nothing short of astounding!

To properly frame the following accounts given by Leonard as well as his analysis of the anomalous nature of the bizarre evidence that a presence existed on the moon that definitely was not human, we will go back in time. Astronomers hundreds of years ago reported strange occurrences that simply did not correspond to the expectations of scientists who considered our solitary moon to be nothing but a lifeless satellite, devoid of an atmosphere.

Early history of bizarre events surrounding the moon

One of the earliest known astronomical anomalies was reported by the discoverer of Uranus, Sir Frederick Herschel, who, while using his reflective telescope in 1787 made an astonishing observation. From March to April of that year he reported observing three bright spots, 4 volcanoes, and lights moving above the lunar surface!

In 1821 a German astronomer reported blinking lights on the moon.

In in February of 1877 a streak of light was observed over the crater Eudoxus it lasted for an hour which contradicted the explanation as being a meteor.

In 1940, astronomers recorded 2 medium streaks of light appearing in the crater, Plato. Subsequent sightings of unexplained lights have continued in that crater for years.

Canadian astronomers in 1967 made the fantastic sighting of a black cloud over the Sea of Tranquility at its edges was a violet color. Another amazing sighting of a supposed 12 mile long bridge was made by another astronomer on the lunar topography, one that Apollo crews searched for while orbiting the moon years later.

These odd and compelling events prior to Apollo mission photos have led many scientists to a number of discussions over whether or not previously unknown phenomena were occurring or if there was a possibility of activity on the moon. However, George Leonard’s book made a concrete determination that made the case that the most likely explanation was that another more advanced civilization had been on the moon for sometime and were having an impact on the surface according to the myriad Apollo program lunar photos that he was analyzing.

Alien vehicles on the surface

Upon magnifying surface anomalies and studiously hand sketching what he saw, apparently NASA would not let him include the actual Apollo crew photos that he was interpreting to be on the pages of his book, Leonard began identifying individual lunar vehicles that didn’t belong to us. There was what George called the “X-drones” which he claimed were excavation rigs several miles long that were breaking down the edge of craters and constructing some kind of landscaping work.

Another such vehicle appeared to be a sphere which rolled along on the lunar surface leaving a trail impression behind it for long distances. These images he carefully transcribed on the image section of his book “Somebody Else Is On The Moon”.

Moon may not be related to composition of earth

George made an amazing theoretical prediction that someday scientists would concede that the moon did not geologically belong to the earth, that it was not a broken off chunk of our world when it was a proto-planet still in a molten, formative, stage that was traumatized by a collision with another planet or asteroid.

Some theories that suggested that a very close passing comet or other celestial body with a powerful gravitational field, simply caused a mass from the earth to tear apart from the rotating sphere only to be reacquired by this planet’s own attraction and be captured as an orbiting companion, the largest such moon in the entire solar system. Our moon is the only one in our planetary system that is composed of a supposedly heavy iron nickel core where as other moons are smaller and made of different elements. This being the case, Leonard reasoned, it was more than possible that the moon had been artificially transported by an alien race into orbit around the earth since it seemed to have no geological relationship with the our planet!

There were assertions made by Russian scientists as early as the 1950’s that the Mars moon, Phobos, was a hollow sphere and thus artificial! Why? Phobos is the only moon in the solar system to orbit around its companion planet in retrograde motion and at greater speed than any other such orbiting sphere. Just as the Russians suspected Phobos being of such a peculiar origin so was the moon according to Leonard, long before anyone voiced such an opinion.

A hollow Moon?

Apollo 12 was to conduct a strange experiment in order to take seismological readings of the moon as NASA astronauts had reported suspect softness or hollowness underfoot as they walked on the lunar surface. As soon as the two man landing team had attained a rendezvous with the command module, they intentionally crashed the Lunar landing module into the moon’s surface.

The resulting reaction was a spectacular ringing, a resonance that rang through out the entire sphere for 30 minutes after the crash. This effect had never been recorded on earth. Scientists came to two possible conclusions. Either the moon was indeed hollow or there were voids or pockets that were hollow within the matrix of the moon’s subsurface. NASA scientists simply did not want to deal with the possibility that the moon seemed hollow as if it were an artificial spheroid of some kind.

Artifacts and curiousities

Leonard’s handwritten transcriptions showed a number of odd and unnatural structures and impressions in the lunar surface that were not the product of debris left by Apollo crews, wreckage from past Ranger program satellite strikes, or meteor collisions.

So, George’s book simply remained just another thought provoking oddity in the bookstand for years to come, ahead of its time, and simply to bizarre to fit into mainstream accepted theory as most such works are. It was not until years later that revelations revealed by whistle blowers under US government employ, who would validate knowledge of cover-ups of these well known within the organization existence of such controversial photographic evidence and astronaut testimony of lunar artifacts and artificially built structures that, according to science, should not have existed on the moon or elsewhere in the solar system.

Military suspicions of alien presence

Leonard’s assertions of nonhuman activity on the moon would later be corroborated by the exposed existence of the US Army “Project Horizon” by Philip J. Corso as a result of suspected UFO presence on the moon. The US Army wanted to establish a military base on the moon by 1960 predating the Apollo missions. Donald Keyhoe had alluded to this project in his writings as well, but the security clamp put on such forbidden knowledge by the Defense Department and the Pentagon was formidable. With all but one NASA astronaut being military pilots or officers, it was destined to be that such reports of extraterrestrial presence on the moon was going to be successfully hidden if not deemed for slow release to the public over decades.

NASA personnel acknowledge the cover-up

A recent revelation that tends to verify George Leonard’s book along with his theories about the bizarre circumstances taking place on the lunar surface is the testimony of NASA employee, Ken Johnston, a Photo Data and Control Mgr. was forced to resign for revealing the truth uncovered during tenure for the Lunar Receiving Laboratory.

Johnston charged that NASA has been removing images of artificial structures and objects that were of manufactured origin not of this earth for the last 40 years. He along with another NASA, contractor, Donna Hare, an award winning photo slide specialist, and illustrator. She accused NASA of doctoring and expunging thousands of anomalies in photos taken by NASA astronauts for decades! Johnston’s allegations that there is a moon base that is not being acknowledged by JPL or NASA though they are aware of it cost him his job.

For years NASA has indirectly recognized the existence of unexplained activity under the acronym (TLP) transient lunar phenomena, but that was as far as they would go. We are grateful for the contributions of such pioneers into the release of the truth such as George Leonard for exposing a reality that few of us would ever know of but for his efforts.

EDIT: 2013-0219 - The above cited book, “Somebody Else Is On The Moon” by George Leonard, can be downloaded for free in various formats (PDF, text etc) here:

http://archive.org/details/SomebodyElseIsOnTheMoon

DarMar
17th February 2013, 14:15
After reading Ingo Swann's book "Penetration" (see here for a copy), and various other readings on this forum over the last couple of years ... what you wrote no longer seems like nonsense to me

A must read for any serious moon investigator, great book and great soul Ingo was.

sigma6
17th February 2013, 18:02
Great post, I think the Moon is artificially constructed. I would love to see the mathematical breakdown alone, which concludes that the Moon shouldn't even exist as such. the (is it) 400 to 1 ratio? of distance (for starters why should we have such a mathematically perfect number?) which creates the perfect size diameter as the sun when viewed from Earth? And tons of stuff like that. Werner's article that Hoagland mentioned clearly exposing the gravity issue, I heard he was retired weeks later? It' just sad that Hoagland thinks this stuff is so clear and straightforward. They really need to do ongoing series... (or I guess I'm supposed to buy his book...) Then there is Chris Everard's assertion that there is a book, a journal with information from all the world's most famous astronomers going back to the 15th century making observations of light, activity etc on the Moon, I think NASA now has it... And there is NO way the gravity is 1/6th, if they even jumped once they could have easily sailed 3 or 4 ft or even 10, 20 ft into the air, and it never happened ONCE... the way the sand flew up on the vehicle was another give away it should have just shot straight off for dozens of yards, but it didn't... Whether they made it to the Moon or not, what we saw was a production by the famous director Stanley Kubrick, which was very very well exposed in that French production company that did "Dark Side Of The Moon", the interviews were so candid because the Nixon scandal had just blown wide open, and everyone thought the Moon Landing had to come out, since it was so obviously faked... Never seen these public figures acting so candidly, it must have been a cathartic release, since the blame was now all dumped on Nixon. A second chance after the Kennedy assassination to come clean, but noooooo...

I can sort of understand the atmosphere argument basically saying the moon is more egg shaped, and it does seem to be held in some kind of gravity well, I didn't know there were gravitational anomalies on the moon that is more supporting evidence. I think there is evidence of atmosphere, because there have been shots of what looks like clouds moving over the surface. Not sure about Trees and stuff, I figure most of it is underground. But looking forward to any more detailed extrapolations... If we only knew the truth... It needs more study!

hangel
17th February 2013, 19:58
vast amount of stuff about the Moon Mutchie! :high5:

the structures and presence of human(oid)s is also discussed elsewhere. One of favourite subjects of Richard Hoagland is the Moon. im not a great fun of RH as i feel his ego is bigger than the Moon itself. Anyway, yes there are some researchers that have photographs with some details that may indicate a glass like dome's present on the Moon. RH speaks of it as it were ancient ruins of a civilisation.

Yes, Neil Armstrong was affected by something there. Something that he could not speak about.

Ingo Swann 'went' to the Moon on one of his missions described in Penetration. I strongly recommend reading it. Its available online for free.
i dont want to spoil the reading for you, but yes there is something. Something that stopped official space program on Earth on digging deeper into a subject of the Moon and our trips there.

Other than that i came across a book: 'Who build the Moon'. the book tells even more interesting and highly impressive facts about the Moon and its influence on whatever happens on Earth. i.e. growing and reproductive seasons, tilt of the Earth's axis etc.

in terms of being a space ship.. its not that big in fact. recent pictures on internet according to shielding Earth from coronal mass ejections are MUCH bigger. Norman Bergrun in the interview with Kerry and in his book describes spaceship nursery near Saturn. He has some interesting images taken by the vikings. The images and his conclusions on what is on them is worth a minute. Norman compares different images and spaceships sizes... There is one mentioned that it may be size of the Earth. He calls it a baby ship... So, yes the Moon could be an artificial spaceship. And in Norman's terms the Moon is a tiny baby ship.

i heard somewhere that it has a computer inside that controls us and our reality.. not sure about this. Who knows. :ufo:

A couple years ago NASA launched a nuke to blow an ice cup on one of the Moon's poles. Its was SO strange when in media some politicians went and said 'so what will happened to the fairies living there' or something in this kind. I believe that the nuke had more to it that just blowing some ice off the ice cap and then analyse the spectrum of that to see what elements it is made of.

However it is, my favourite thing about the Moon is well described by...

Obi Wan Kenobi: "That's no moon. It's a space station"

Youniverse
17th February 2013, 20:55
Just wondering what you all think about "Mona Lisa of the moon" and the ship she was found in? Also those other pictures circulating on the net of towers and buildings on the moon?

Magnus
18th February 2013, 13:22
Just wondering what you all think about "Mona Lisa of the moon" and the ship she was found in? Also those other pictures circulating on the net of towers and buildings on the moon?

It's hard to confirm or deny the authenticity of anything about this, but in my mind it sure is a probable reality. In my opinion "Mona Lisa of the moon" corresponds rather well to the asian guise, and personally i find her to be a pretty little alien.

We know so little about everything that it's almost scary, like if everyone of our space / interdimensional neighbours are all working together to intentionally keep a lid on history, our origin and universal knowledge in general. How else is it possible for us to know so very little about anything and everything? Who knows what transpired in "mona lisas" case, did someone leave her there to be found as a stepping stone in a trail of secrets that will lead to answers?

Let's just hope that whoever did that horrible thing to her face, either did it in some form of medical attention to help her out or at least did it to her when she had already passed. If not, i have no reason to believe that the perpetrators would have been very nice people.

The video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q765nzHoag) of "Mona Lisa" is supposedly shot in 1976 and if someone faked all of it, they did a good job.

Here (http://www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm) is an interview with William Rutledge made by Luca Scantamburlo in 2007. As always, be your own judge.

Lifebringer
18th February 2013, 13:41
C'mon, people who have read our history have known they don't pay to go visit but occupy throughout, those in-noble romans still conquering inside their minds. Setting flags as if they created or discovered these bodies. They've been here for years, and you have to know they were surveying the bases to be built, only to discover they weren't the only ones there and are being carefully observed. I've always thought that the base was a back up escape, if they decided to nuke the whole planet and wait the radiation out, but since that's now not possible, they have to remain where they are until they are dealt with in only the way a Creator can deal with them. Case in point, The Pope. Looks and Sounds like a candlestick has been taken.

Whoever takes over now will only be running a continued criminal organization under the name of religion. It won't sit well with the people and that is why they are out of touch with what is going on now and don't understand the jig is up. There time is over, it was not for the good of man, and as long as these religions have been in place taught by these guys, there has been wars, murders, crime, and no love for the people they are supposedly leading. ONLY the 10% kitty every Sunday? Promises that it will change, as they continue to harm our children.

Yep, good times ahead, and for those who aren't for the good, they will be going bye, bye. They simply can't exist with real freedom in our souls.

PRAGMAE
18th February 2013, 14:26
Just wanted to share with those who doesn't know that guy. Here thee is nothing like oxygen or something, but few nice moon shots (and sometimes strange things).

Love watching his vids.

http://www.youtube.com/user/jivebop

norman
18th February 2013, 17:49
Just wanted to share with those who doesn't know that guy. Here thee is nothing like oxygen or something, but few nice moon shots (and sometimes strange things).

Love watching his vids.

http://www.youtube.com/user/jivebop


I like looking at the moon, and that video was almost inspirational enough for me want to get my own tracking telescope.

His conversions from kilometers to miles weren't even wrong though. 70 k doesn't equate to 112 miles, he must be using his conversion algorythm backwards. 70 k is more like 47 miles ( at a guess ).

That doesn't say much for his Pascal programming. :)

Atlas
2nd August 2013, 12:09
Can someone tell me if these photos are real ? Thanks.

22231

22232

Nick Matkin
2nd August 2013, 12:46
First photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49487266@N07/6996897690
Second photo close-up: http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2012/03/08/the-nazis-have-landed-is-it-too-soon-for-a-film-like-iron-sky-video/

Probably not real...

Atlas
2nd August 2013, 13:46
First photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49487266@N07/6996897690

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7212/6996897690_fe07739e06_z.jpg

Mutchie
8th December 2014, 17:02
I cannot believe it is 2014 and officially we have NEVER BEEN BACK TO THE MOON !!!

Havent others noticed there is a serious lack of interest in space travel thesedays i mean here we are with ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY and yet getting to the moon 240,000 miles away seems beyond us ... :confused: Isnt a landing planned for 2030 or something ? Is the VAN ALLEN BELTS really that DANGEROUS ?

Mutchie
10th January 2015, 06:11
Our understanding of reality is Ever evolving... since i started this thread in 2011 which i had seen elsewhere" it was originally written by John Lear " I have continued to chip away trying to find out whatever i can and NOW more than ever before i realise that the moon is NOT what they would have you believe i hope that in my lifetime it may be possible to visit our moon

ps - Where there is life there is ALWAYS hope

Mutchie
20th December 2015, 12:14
I took the time to read a link Bill Ryan had posted recently for Ingo Swanns book and it was EXCELLENT here we have a guy REMOTE VIEWING for the Secret Service it doesnt state whether it was CIA or NSA but what is apparent is that these guys KNEW there was LIFE up there ... Ingo speaks about HUMANS WORKING NAKED INSIDE A CRATER there was some sort of covering therefore a breathable atmosphere ...The Moon was being MINED most likely for Helium 3 but that was not clarified ... These Humans were A LOT MORE TELEPATHIC than we are & it seems their technology was years ahead of our's ... They had even infiltrated our Society ... I always meant to ASK BILL RYAN IF HE SAW PICTURES OF MINING STRIPS on the Moon when him & Kerry visited & interviewed John Lear because John had EXCELLENT material ... At this point im leaning in the direction of the MOON BEING A SOVEREIGN NATION i believe they mostly live underground or in Domes all with artificial atmospheres supplied they are Human as far as i can tell and they have advanced technology including huge space crafts etc ...Armstrong was supposed to of said their ships were HUGE & VERY MENACING HE SAID WE WERE TOLD TO LEAVE & NOT COME BACK :shielddeflect: Anything else on this topic would be GREATLY APPRECIATED thank you.:ROFL: