Don't riot ,that's what they want

[shiva777]

Yeah don't riot, the key is to DENY THEM YOUR ENERGY, they are energy vampires, when you do that they are helpless and are putty in YOUR hands. They can't function on the vibration of love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W58dSpeR8c&feature=player_embedded#!

[slipknotted]

we need to fight somtime

[slipknotted]

i'm on the fence with that because look at the countries that stand up to there goverment or protest publicly things mightchange here in the states people have lost so much the middle class has been knocked to their knee's we dont fight back we just dont want to take a stand because are perfect way of life would change to scared to rock the boat we have are big tv are nice cars newest cell phone etc and the banks steal from us take homes are 401k's devalue are homes are leaders give more money to these corps to heip them not us and i think a riot or a protest or something would be the only way sometime's, sad to say but we are just watching and not acting not wanting to rock the boat and the captain is going straight for the iceburg.

[shiva777]

it just takes enough people who care to passively resist...no need to riot

[Arrowwind]

Perhaps it is time to energetically review Ghandi and Martin Luther King
and call in such likeminded guidance. It is our best chance.

[witchy1]

My thinking is to get on a Jury and fight them in their arena, on their terms.

We have the power to send a clear message to them http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11035-Last-Peaceful-defense-of-your-rights-against-government-power-Please-read

“I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.” Thomas Jefferson, 1789

This will be the only peaceful way to send them a messge: You are out of control - make changes.

Repeated refusals by juries to convict effectively informs legislators and prosecutors that the law is NOT supported by the community.
Acquittals and hung juries are politically embarrassing to the power craving prosecutors, legislatures, bureaucrats and most judges.

As a juror you are the final safeguard for justice

Power to People

No one can make you apply a law you don’t approve of. No one can punish you for your vote on the verdict, or force you to agree with the other jurors. The whole jury system depends on people like yourself using your own best judgment and conscience

Feedback to Government:
The verdict reached by your jury may be so important that legislators will use it to guide them in making needed revisions in the law!
Why? Certainly, a jury’s decision to apply the law shows community support and respect for that law. On the other hand, its refusal to do so, even when the evidence shows the law has been broken, shows that the community will not tolerate disobedience, and the law needs to be changed or eliminated.

Judge Theo. Parsons said: “If a juror accepts as the law that which the judge states, then the juror has accepted the exercise of absolute authority of a government employee and has surrendered a power and right that once was the citizen’s safeguard of liberty...”(1788)

http://fija.org/document-library/brochures/ (http://fija.org/document-library/brochures/) - Set of printable masters

Fight the good fight (cant remember who said that - It just seems to fit)

[pyrangello]

Shiva is right, slipk i know that it can be painful to loose and watch those that gain that do not deserve it, but Karma plays it's role on your behalf, staying centered and digging in for the haul to 1) support yourself and your family thru tough times and 2) help thy neighbor during the tough times is what it's about. Not getting sucked into the vortex when so much drama and tragedy is around can be very difficult but is obtainable . I shut the news off completely last night, put myself into perspective and am focused .

Just as George Carlin said , stuff is just that , stuff, it can all be replaced. Keep the energy positive.

[silentghost80]

I'm on the fence with that because look at the countries that stand up to there government or protest publicly things might change here in the states people have lost so much the middle class has been knocked to their knee's we don't fight back we just don't want to take a stand because are perfect way of life would change to scared to rock the boat we have are big tv are nice cars newest cell phone etc and the banks steal from us take homes are 401k's devalue are homes are leaders give more money to these corps to heip them not us and i think a riot or a protest or something would be the only way sometimes, sad to say but we are just watching and not acting not wanting to rock the boat and the captain is going straight for the iceburg.

"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." Sun Tzu 6th century BC

[RedeZra]

the lion sleeps no more but don't riot

get off your knees but don't protest

else taste the taser you old geezer

[Teakai]

I was thinking about this this morning - and I agree with Redezra - they are just waiting for people to react so they can lock them up and justify it and get rid of a bit more of the constitution while they're at it.

I think what people need to do is band together. Ignore all the rules and impositions being imposed upon them and simply begin their own independent communities.
This is a big mind shift to just throw away society as we know it and start again - but the society is collapsing anyway - if one continues clinging to the idea that society as they know it is the society they need the new world arising around them will not be of their own making.

This won't be smooth or easy - and there will be bloodshed, but when the 'ptb' realise that they're just not going to get what they want, that they can;t hold us by our own fear and need they will have no choice but to give it up.

[seismorg]

All rule is by force. In a democracy the majority give consent to use force against those who do not agree.
I don’t agree with that !
Why is force the only means of governance ?
Don’t tase me bro, I’m only asking .

[Teakai]

All rule is by force. In a democracy the majority give consent to use force against those who do not agree.
I don’t agree with that !
Why is force the only means of governance ?
Don’t tase me bro, I’m only asking .

You're right about democracy, Seismorg. Majority rule is unfair. A republic is much fairer - as all the people have a voice and equal rights. A republic is what the USA was meant to be.
In a perfect world this would be maintained by use of a just legal system - (did one ever really exist or was it all just a beautiful dream?)

[RedeZra]

Why is force the only means of governance ?
Don’t tase me bro, I’m only asking .

I won't as I don't have a taser ; )


Governance is always made up of a minority who's job it is to guard the system and guide the majority

If an organisation or a fringe group decides to protest against the government then this group might be met with force since it only represent a tiny fraction of the majority

If however the majority actually came together in unison demanding some changes around here then the minority would drop the tasers stand at attention or take to the hills

[silentghost80]

You're right about democracy, Seismorg. Majority rule is unfair. A republic is much fairer - as all the people have a voice and equal rights. A republic is what the USA was meant to be.
In a perfect world this would be maintained by use of a just legal system - (did one ever really exist or was it all just a beautiful dream?)

Beginning with the Constitution's adoption, America has been a Republic. But the dominant trend over the last two centuries has been to make it into a democracy as well, a representative democracy, also known as a democratic republic

[Teakai]

Beginning with the Constitution's adoption, America has been a Republic. But the dominant trend over the last two centuries has been to make it into a democracy as well, a representative democracy, also known as a democratic republic

Why would a republic need a democracy , Silentghost? - it seems like a step backward. Or are you saying this was part of the 'ptb' plan - like socialism was and that it's not necessarily a good thing?

Warning -I'm really quite hopeless (mainly due to lack of interest) at understanding in depth politics. so go easy with any explanations, please :)

[silentghost80]

I was pointing out that the US is a republic and the reason you don't see it as such is because of the push for a democratic republic i.e. vote for the best man running to make your choices for you which is further screwed by the electoral collage :cool:

[Teakai]

I was pointing out that the US is a republic and the reason you don't see it as such is because of the push for a democratic republic i.e. vote for the best man running to make your choices for you which is further screwed by the electoral collage :cool:

Oh, OK - thanks, Silentghost.

I don't live in the USA, but in regard to the democratic republic part - and I'm thinking this is after the civil war - because a republic surely can't have slavery and a no vote policy for women - how were presidents elected then, if not by majority vote?

If this is far too deep to go into, I'm OK with you telling me to go and research it - I'm just being lazy and hoping for a quick answer.

[silentghost80]

at first it was majority vote then they made the electoral collage so smaller states have a bigger voice so each state is given so many seats their votes are the ones that count so the way it should work is all the people vote and the people with these seats vote based what their area of a state voted so it my state all the people's votes are decided by 10 people this vid might be helpful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjWPo70XZY

[Steven]

...the key is to DENY THEM YOUR ENERGY...

I absolutely agree! :) Thanks Shiva.

Namaste, Steven

[Teakai]

at first it was majority vote then they made the electoral collage so smaller states have a bigger voice so each state is given so many seats their votes are the ones that count so the way it should work is all the people vote and the people with these seats vote based what their area of a state voted so it my state all the people's votes are decided by 10 people this vid might be helpful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjWPo70XZY

Thanks, Silentghost. The video explained it well - I had no idea it worked that way.

[silentghost80]

Thanks, Silentghost. The video explained it well - I had no idea it worked that way. and those people can be bought easily there only two things Americans can do take it or fight most choose to take it b/c they don't like being found dead with a wire around their neck

[Mayan2012]

Yeah don't riot, the key is to DENY THEM YOUR ENERGY, they are energy vampires, when you do that they are helpless and are putty in YOUR hands. They can't function on the vibration of love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W58dSpeR8c&feature=player_embedded#!


I totally agree. The last thing we should do is riot or have any kind of violent uprising. Shiva777 is correct. fighting them is like someone bringing only your fists to a gunfight. Or worse.
I believe that IS what they want us to do, so they have justification to destroy us. It would be committing suicide.
We do not want to play their game, by their rules, we want them to play our game by our rules or at least we need to play our game and not theirs.

[Teakai]

and those people can be bought easily there only two things Americans can do take it or fight most choose to take it b/c they don't like being found dead with a wire around their neck

I guess the general rule is that the higher one is in politics gives testament to their level of corruption.

I wouldn't imagine too many 'good guys' would have the staying power to stomach the rot, and if they were good, they wouldn't be promoted. I leave room for rare exceptions.

[str8thinker]

'Energy vampires' - now, that's an excellent term to descibe them - reminds me of the evil Emperor from Star Wars.


http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/09/images/02emperor350.jpg

[Humble Janitor]

Rioting = Reckless, rowdy and selfish people looting, hitting, punching, kicking and other forms of violence.

Passive Resistance = Protesting in a peaceful manner, blockading roads, sit-ins, die-ins, etc.

I'm gonna go with the latter.

[Taurean]

Rioting = Reckless, rowdy and selfish people looting, hitting, punching, kicking and other forms of violence.

Passive Resistance = Protesting in a peaceful manner, blockading roads, sit-ins, die-ins, etc.

I'm gonna go with the latter.

Any form of obstructive behavior will end in violence. TPTB have already devised their responses from trial events.

I think economic warfare is the only solution i.e stop buying THINGS - gadgets, white goods, furnishings, cars, property, investments, insurance, loans, holidays, travel, etc. etc. & withold taxes.

As it is said " If you do nothing, nothing will happen "

Mind you 1850 + members here aren't going to make much impact on our own.

[seismorg]

Hi Folks,
I’m not good at this “typing lark” usually prefer copy & paste, but cannot find anything about it to copy, so please bare with me on this. I’m dyslexic.
My beef with life as we know it at present is this.
Under Brehon Law < http://www.courts.ie/Courts.ie/library3.nsf/pagecurrent/3CBAE4FE856E917B80256DF800494ED9?opendocument > If I do not agree with something I would not be forced to comply, unlike any other lawful system that I know of,( please do correct me if you do know better ) I’m always willing to learn.
I know there must be rules/laws to keep things ticking over smoothly.
Take my wife ? {pleeeease} J,, only joking my love!

I do not own her, did she go of her own free will ? If so I have no right to tell her to come back.
Did she get board , fed up , the other guy is bigger than me, more money, bigger house. Does it matter ?
She gone.
It’s my ego that is wounded not the person. Pride goes before a fall.
The whole idea of force is what I’m against.
I have no right to hurt anyone, except in self defence.
I think it all comes down to what is reasonable.
It’s not reasonable imho ,to take someone’s children because the state says I’m not fit to look after them.
It’s not reasonable for a group by guile to put me into a position where I would lose my home, ok so I’m thick and did not know what I was getting myself into [mortgage ]
The system we live under at present is geared to stop freemen/women from achieving their full potential, because as a species we are so caught up in having to pay bills, that we cannot see the bigger picture.
Let me get on with MY life, I don’t want to vote, work on a night shift because it pays more, or tip my hat to someone I have absolutely no respect for ( enter the political figure of your choice ) I disagree, it’s my choice. No one has a right to force me to conform. If I starve, tough, that’s my choice.
If I like your child and take them,, that’s another story entirely , a length of rope and a stout tree limb comes to mind.
What I’m trying to say is, our system long in the making, is geared for the HAVES, not the have-nots, and the have-nots have not because the haves have it all. They did not get it by the sweat of their own brow, rather it was by exploitation of those like me who are dense .

[PHARAOH]

Family, we need not comply period. Remember whenever you or I "SUBMIT" any form of an application for credit or mortgages or whatevere we are asking "PERMISSION" we are filing the application willingly with no gun to our head and are "SUBMITTING" to the thier terms (rules and laws). Which is why I implore everyone, if we want a peacful resistance we must "STOP":

1. Resgistering our children at birth. Here is where the enslavement begins at birth with the SS #.
2. Do not vaccinate our children.
3. Start homeschooling our children.
4. Do not accept any form of a government handout. Food stamps, unemployment, medicare, etc, etc.
5. Stop applying for any and all licenses.
6. Stop carrying ID.
7. Stop buying things we don't really need.
8. Stop reading news papers and watching TV.
9. Stop convicting our fellow brothers in sisters in court unless they have proven to hurt or damage someone or someones property. Civil infractions are "NOT" crimes!!! Render "Not Guilty" verdicts.
10. Stop voting.
12. Stop driving.
13. Stop flying.

As you all can see I can go on and on. But all of these options are non-violent and require no effort. These small changes can have a drastic impact on our goals of creating a better world for our children. Just think when your driving down the road and get pulled over by the Police, they ask you for "YOUR PAPERS" please... which is drivers license, insurance, registration. Then he uses "YOUR PAPERS" to accurately screw you over. Now think for one moment; If I asked you who you are, most of you would tell me your name. YOU ARE "NOT" YOUR NAME!!! You are much more magnificant then a name. Heck if you really think about this question, who am I really??? It may take a lifetime to answer. So the next time someone asks you who are you??? Don't say your name. Your name is what you are called not who you truly are.

[Mayan2012]

Any form of obstructive behavior will end in violence. TPTB have already devised their responses from trial events.

I think economic warfare is the only solution i.e stop buying THINGS - gadgets, white goods, furnishings, cars, property, investments, insurance, loans, holidays, travel, etc. etc. & withold taxes.

As it is said " If you do nothing, nothing will happen "
Mind you 1850 + members here aren't going to make much impact on our own.

I totally agree. what is keeping the current establishment is that we are playing by THEIR rules and that means we buy what they sell, credit cards that they offer us, new cars that we don't need, clothes we don't need. We buy into the idea that everyone should have the latest of everything: phones, game systems, computers, etc.
I propose that we all take it upon ourselves to not support the growing economy until big corporations start investing in other products such as cheaper forms of energy, much more economical vehicles, clean, unpoisoned food etc. I feel that the government and big businesses have not earned our loyalty and support and until they start watching out for our wellbeing, we will not watch out for theirs. I suggest we all buy pre-owened goods at yard sales, thrift stores, flea markets, ebay, Craigslist, etc. That way new products will not be made to replace what you buy as it is when you buy retail.