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Fruitman
15th April 2010, 01:06
I've heard in legends, shaman, during initiation, give the seeker a "teacher plant" to start, and then leave the student alone in the woods to be further initiated by the spirit of the plant itself.

Eventually, if one considers this, along with what we now know about detoxification and some raw foods, we can draw the conclusion the shaman himself is just an illusion, as is the food, yet the food washes out the blindness for us to come back home to... ourselves, in our original state, which is what we're talking about, when we talk about "spirituality", are we not?

When one gets sick, a natural thing to do is to seek out a cure. Once in a while, someone gets lucky enough, or suffers enough to come to higher, fundamental truths and myths in the mind regarding sickness and "health"

Sometimes, these can be hard for one to accept, especially if their immediate friends, family, as well as mainstream society doesn't want to face this new knowledge. In a very literal sense, it's as if you will be telling people to eat nothing but garlic, at the extreme example. It will heal them, but does it TASTE good? Is it PLEASURABLE? One could relate this to mainstream society's fear of what we'd call "psychoactive drugs" which, basically ARE raw food, as well. Its not a pleasurable experience, therefore it is so feared that people are JAILED for daring to cross the line. Thats how addicted people are to pleasure, and how much the society hates spirituality or how much our egos hate to die, one could say.

Sometimes, one has an emergency initiation through near death experiences, hospital cleansing/fasting, or being able to detach enough from the body through meditative practices.

Most sicknesses, as well as emotional problems people have (if not all) are a result of cooked food. Because of the mass realization of this which is growing, anyone who truly contemplates this, and breatharianism will see this IS the "spiritual awakening of 2012" or "leading up to 2012" simply because now the information is undeniable for those SEEKING it, and putting it to practice/experimentation

Those who want to argue about this fact, should do a lot of research and PERSONAL EXPERIMENTATION via avoiding cooked, processed foods, heavy foods, meat, dairy, or to put it simple: eating only hydrating, detoxifying foods. Working with fruits specifically, is an extreme example. It's only logical to try and disprove one's belief, if that belief is indeed true. So if one believes they will not be able to grow muscle without meat or even cooked protein rich food, then one should train the muscles without those foods and try to be sure that belief is accurate and not CENTURIES DEEP brainwashing. While the fact is simply, most people are too attached to others to disprove their beliefs, one must question if thats why we "cant live without food" is it that our bodies will die, or that we're so conditioned that we wouldnt know what to do/what reality to create without ANY SUPPORT from anyone.

Now I think contemplating that question, will cause even the famine of russia in 1921 where even family members killed and ate each other, look like... a joke. A big delusion (is this why some say suffering itself is an illusion?) Well not on my level, otherwise I wouldnt be making this post, here in the deluded realm with my fellow deluded beings.

When one seeks out fruitarianism/raw veganism as a result of wanting to "be" healthy...they do not know what they are getting into. I warn you, eating strictly raw, unprocessed, hydrating food is NOT FOR THE WEAK!!! I cannot say this enough, you are opening doors and awakening demons in yourself and others that are very hard to see for what they truly are - hindrances in the form of physical/emotional issues and even PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE and family ties. Its that deep. Youll see if you dare walk this path.

Fruitarianism, liquidarianism are nothing but stages into what is known as a higher state of consciousness, if not the highest, meaning needing nothing, nonsickness, nondying, wanting nothing, raised awareness, peace, detachment, nondistraction, nonchanging, not born, not dying, nonmoving, or basically nonSUFFERING some would call it "enlightenment" or "nirvana" yet most do not relate food or food PREVENTING us from "attaining" this state that we've been repeatedly told by those WE call "masters" that it IS us, that WE ARE THEM, we ARE already enlightened, healthy, god, etc. This is why they AS WELL AS "higher" ET FORCES will not INTEFERE with us, because we literally, would rather suffer than accept this or just be happy! (Ever hear the theory that being god is boring so he creates suffering?)

Anyone who has studied the Collier material has seen him mention veganism, as a message from the benevolents. I'd like to one up him, and say COOKED VEGAN FOOD IS EQUALLY UNHEALTHY AS MEAT! You go ahead and eat a lot of it if you dont believe me. Cooking food, does something to it, you will just KNOW how bad it is when you STOP eating it. You will just know, and then youll probably be making similar posts because a LOT of people DO NOT KNOW what theyre doing to themselves, even vegans, even athletes, or people who go running and detox, and then put crap back in their mouths or have beliefs about those foods. Those beliefs are the cause of sooooo much suffering, no different from the belief of someone who would behead a man over religious differences. Seriously. The difference is we're actually beheading ourselves, without realizing it because it takes so long to see.

Ok, think of it like this: Lets pretend beans, potatoes and rice are like rocks (they basically are). Would you soak rocks in water to soften them up, and then eat them, JUST because you have salt to make them taste good or because some myth caught on about protein in the 70s from industries whose only aim was to make profit (dairy)? See, this is NOT EASY to accept but I personally know cooked vegan food is probably WORSE than meat for the body.

Nobody would cook apples, or bananas, or oranges, or watermelon. It doesnt seem to make much sense. So if you think deeply you will see cooking has nothing to do with health, in fact it only has to do with disease and caking on layers of heavy crap in the intestines which will create false emotions, altered perception, and the false ego ITSELF. We think its sooooo easy to eat crap and then go sit under a tree... you wouldnt dare think so with even a month of fruitarianism. Theres no way in hell you can remain deluded if you stop eating heavy foods and stop believing LIES you have been taught. You have to try to DISPROVE beliefs to see their value, not just ACCEPT things because thats for sissies... okay, sissies like to accept things and stay in mommy's womb all their lives. Are we bold or are we sissies?

In fact, personally, I feel even THEY (masters) did not realize food can be one of the biggest hindrances towards higher states of consciousness, if not the biggest, except the ones who have proven to fast for years on end.

This ability alone, changes the WHOLE GAME of politics, work, and human life as we know it. THIS IS HOW DEEP the NUMBING DOWN effect of cooked food is: literally, right in front of our faces, we've seen people get strong on raw food (which is 90% WATER) and people who DONT EAT ANYTHING and it's slipped by us like "ah, BS" as we are too ADDICTED to our pleasure to "see the light".

Now why do I say fruitarianism is a STAGE... well because, when one dabbles with eating strictly fruit, a few things happen, specifically with things like onions, garlic, lemons, oranges, pineapples or any others that cause sweating/bloody mouth or armpit odor/uncomfortable detoxing effects, etc. usually MISTAKEN as "bad", while eating mold-growing dead food is more comfortable and "normal", actually feeling/smelling the crap come out, shows how healthy cooked food actually is. And its not just 2 holes stuff comes out of, literally, every single pore in our body, if it is blocked, then ask yourself if its good for pores to be blocked... and if addiction to pleasure is worth being half dead? Because its to the exact degree we eat cooked foods that we suffer and cause others around us to suffer, as hard as it is to accept. And Im no shining example myself but Ive REALIZED this stuff and Im not here to ARGUE but to show people who WANT TO KNOW this stuff.

Those who watched the Jim Humble interview might "get it" better: Toxins need a crappy environment to live in, and do not like living foods. We can see the idea of vampires vs garlic as a great example if we consider vampires as microscopic bacteria that alter our behavior and live in us. Most people feel terrible or cant "wake up" because we are literally dumbed down SINCE BIRTH from cooked/processed food and animal products. That its uncomfortable to face this, as much as it is to run 10 miles and sweat your brains out (which is why we are truly blessed by the spirit of garlic).

Well, this can go on and on, but Id rather provide resources so one can paint a better picture of this. So here are some good links... (Ill edit this post after)

Jericho Sunfire's channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/mrjerichosunfire

Id specifically encourage people to watch the "Breatharianism and saving the planet" and "the process" videos, more so than the radio shows, to understand the kind of person we're dealing with here.

Other breatharians with good information (sorry if I dont post all parts of the videos, dont be lazy)

Akahi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHsQ4xcVHo
Buddha Boy: http://blog.xnepali.com/mysterious-buddha-boy-ram-bahadur-bomjam/ (check out the videos too)
Elitom Ben Yisrael: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6jkXmsvdm4
Jasmuheen: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8060648983626971848#docid=4088051898577664190

Now, all are free to believe what they want, even though, take it from me, those beliefs will be hard to hold onto even when working with just fruits. I think the realization that dawns upon raw foodists eventually is that raw food is more like a nicotine patch to help with withdrawal from a lifetime of cooked food. To breatharians, it probably seems the entire eating practice, is empty and stupid. Its easier to see slowly, using fruits to see that sleepiness and disease are the result of cooked food. In fact, we're so dumbed down we accept needless suffering as real/normal.

I hope this speaks to those seeking it. I think when the "aha!" hits you, you will not be able to STOP LAUGHING at the entire duality, including the reptilians and benevolent races. The sicknesses in your stomach (craving) and the higher you (you without toxins/false ego/ false "muscle" (inflammation) are literally, reflected, as the world OUTSIDE of you... as far as "like attracts like"

Its for this reason Buddha said "I came to a dream world and gave dream people dream enlightenment" because, going through this stuff, makes the world seem UNREAL, and you will feel like you are communicating with the universe at a higher level.

But we know what its like to be in a lower state of mind, so we use words to help those still there, or in other words thats what this whole massive collective "awakening" IS... the internet, and information being available... like a chain reaction.

I cannot begin to explain how hard it has been for me to understand this, especially regarding family conflict and loss of support. Every negative person has become more negative, every open person has become more open. Thankfully Ive had experience with lucid dreaming and meditation, so knowing things a lot of people dont know, I guess is not something new to me, but this is my new kick lately... in fact most people KNOW this all deeply, we just seem to have forgotten. Only those who want to deal with it, will listen.

At a deeper level, maybe we only cannot see extraterrestrials, because we deeply unconsciously block them out. But food is a big deal! It puts us to sleep on levels I can say, anyone who has never fasted or gone fruitarian for even a month - is COMPLETELY IN THE DARK ABOUT!!!! No matter what they believe or "THINK" about it. Walk the walk! Deny and test your mind! Your family ties... your whole being! Defy your ego if its so real, because if it were real, worthy, or important, then it wouldnt be able to fall apart so easily now would it?

When one directly realizes this, even reptilians seem like a perfect part of the duality that is existence... they are a reflection of a part of us, guys. We need to accept that, we, as well as them, are growing up, and as much as we dont wanna put down the burgers, they dont wanna stop eating us either!

Its the SAME THING.

See, fruitarianism makes even judgement hard, as one needs to be strongly for or against to judge, and fruit is... well, its water. So, you try working with empty food and still holding onto what you call "you"....

We dont usually relate food to spirituality, because mainly you wont hear about this, because the experience is so deep its impossible to talk about. So, its easier to call it "fruitarianism" or "initiation" or "spirituality" but basically, its all the same thing, and in this world, at this time, to evolve, we need to look into this more. Its easier to study raw food athletes to dismantle the protein myth... then fruitarians... then breatharians... and then, personal experimentation is needed. For those who have the guts to experiment with food, the rewards are very much greater than any cooked food can provide, in the long run, for ourselves, our evolution, our kids and of course, our planet.

realitycorrodes
15th April 2010, 11:00
Paying murderers to do one's killing. Does'nt sound very compassionate or non-violent to me? What strange notions the human animals have here! Who is more to blame the one who kills or the one who pays to have the killing done. Fear of losing the ego through starvation perhaps - attachment to the body and the personality make people justify the taking of another's life to save their own - what makes them think they are so worthy? To do so is to make oneself a slave (attachment) to the unsightly behaviour of killing. And they like to call themselves spiritual? This is truly a black comedy, is it not? The symbolic gesture of gourging yourself on the slaughtered flesh of another sentient life is nothing short of shameless! Freedom will come once the lesson is learned. It is not rocket science! Enough said.

Ailée
15th April 2010, 14:24
Greetings Fruitman,

Thank you very much for opening this thread. It is synchronistic to me.

I've been looking at some of Jericho's videos, still ongoing.

Would you share some of your personal journey to this ?

Where did you come from, how you made the transition and how you actually put it in practice ?

What you experienced in terms of "mental" cleansing ?

Looking forward to read you, and thank you once again.

:yo:

bashi
15th April 2010, 16:33
In fact, personally, I feel even THEY (masters) did not realize food can be one of the biggest hindrances towards higher states of consciousness, if not the biggest, except the ones who have proven to fast for years on end.



I think REAL Masters are far beyond the bodily limitations. i heard Masters drinking very strong poison, just to demonstrate this point. For them the body is a small vehicle, just to keep contact with this plane of existence.

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realitycorrodes
16th April 2010, 08:25
The blind shall follow the blind and the weak shall live in denial and talk of someone else who is going to come and do their work for them! Those who talk of any master other than the one within are giving away their power. Every master outside is only a poor reflection of the master that lies within. Get off your knees human race and exercise your will!

annemirri
16th April 2010, 14:35
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Sometimes, these can be hard for one to accept, especially if their immediate friends, family, as well as mainstream society doesn't want to face this new knowledge. I..

Those who want to argue about this fact, .. CENTURIES DEEP brainwashing/.

but I personally know cooked vegan food is probably WORSE than meat for the body.

are we bold or are we sissies?

In fact, personally, I feel even THEY (masters) did not realize food can be one of the biggest hindrances towards higher states of consciousness, if not the biggest,

Dear Fruitman,

how long have you been a fruitarian yourself ?

I guess you have had a very hard time, (hungry ?),
as you seem to me quite aggressive in your choice of words,
I can feel your need to DEFEND yourself.

If you are looking for higher states of conciousness, even enlightenment with fruitarian way of life,
one may expect more loving and empathic choice of words, more compassion,

even to animal suffering,
I am referring to your statement that cooked vegan food is worse for the body than meat.

And you may understand that in northern countries people just cannot be fruitarians,
as hardly any fruit grow there.

a.

greybeard
16th April 2010, 17:00
With respect to previous posts.
I would like to give this point of view.
The Red Indians and Aborigines are known to have experienced higher states of consciousness, they thanked the animal they ate for giving up its life for them.
Higher states of consciousness has much to do with intention.
One sage said "If its your intention to be nonviolent and not eat meat then in integrity you stay with your intention, however from a higher state of consciousnes there is the realization that we are not the body and that life is a gift and evolves incarnation after incarnation." Many animals would not have the chance of life it was not for the meat industry, lets face it, farmers would not breed animals if they could not sell them. It may well be that the animal evolves to a higher life form after death.
Our forefathers were not stupid, thats how the practice of saying grace over meals came into being.
Chris

samvado
16th April 2010, 17:15
I think REAL Masters are far beyond the bodily limitations. i heard Masters drinking very strong poison, just to demonstrate this point. For them the body is a small vehicle, just to keep contact with this plane of existence.

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I could not agree more. Osho e.g. lived of 5 peas and 2 carrots and litres of cola-light for decades.
he might as well have eaten nothing but his caretaker would freak out if he didnt.

samvado
16th April 2010, 17:20
The blind shall follow the blind and the weak shall live in denial and talk of someone else who is going to come and do their work for them! Those who talk of any master other than the one within are giving away their power. Every master outside is only a poor reflection of the master that lies within. Get off your knees human race and exercise your will!

sorry mate, you got it all backwards. a REAL master will always reflect you back to yourself, he will not do your work FOR you. but his presence ALONE does help you reach previously unknown hights as I can vouch for by experience. of course, the hard thing is DISCERNING a real master from the flukes. and many fail on that exercise. I have at times (particularily when I was younger).

samvado
16th April 2010, 17:25
I've heard in legends, shaman, during initiation, give the seeker a "teacher plant" to start, and then leave the student alone in the woods to be further initiated by the spirit of the plant itself.

any particular reason why you didnt put it under this already existing thread. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?905-You-don%E2%80%99t-need-food-to-live!&highlight=prana)

kriya
16th April 2010, 17:31
sorry mate, you got it all backwards. a REAL master will always reflect you back to yourself, he will not do your work FOR you. but his presence ALONE does help you reach previously unknown hights as I can vouch for by experience. of course, the hard thing is DISCERNING a real master from the flukes. and many fail on that exercise. I have at times (particularily when I was younger).

Yes:clap2::clap2: Well said.

At the end of his life Yogananda only ate lettuce and drank milk.

Love,

Kriya

kriya
16th April 2010, 17:40
PS, I wouldn't recommend not eating, unless you have a high degree of self-realisation.

Love,

Kriya

greybeard
16th April 2010, 18:06
PS, I wouldn't recommend not eating, unless you have a high degree of self-realisation.

Love,

Kriya

There was a woman from the Findhorn Foundation who was found dead in a tent in the countryside, she had J's Breatharian book with her. Died of lack of food.
That was a few years ago.
Sometimes "God Shock" occurs and the spiritual aspirant sees no need to remain in the body, life purpose has been fulfilled, they are enlightened.
It is true that some of a high vibration seem to need very little food if any, there was a nun in Germany that Yognanda visited who lived just on the "Host" if my memory serves me right Kriya.
Chris
Namaste

kriya
16th April 2010, 19:58
There was a woman from the Findhorn Foundation who was found dead in a tent in the countryside, she had J's Breatharian book with her. Died of lack of food.
That was a few years ago.
Sometimes "God Shock" occurs and the spiritual aspirant sees no need to remain in the body, life purpose has been fulfilled, they are enlightened.
It is true that some of a high vibration seem to need very little food if any, there was a nun in Germany that Yognanda visited who lived just on the "Host" if my memory serves me right Kriya.
Chris
Namaste

The woman in Germany manifested the stigmata, I can't remember if she only ate the host (ha that sounds funny). But yes he did visit a woman in India, who didn't eat at all.
But frankly, there are not many that can do this successfully.

Love,

Kriya

Fruitman
17th April 2010, 01:41
PS, I wouldn't recommend not eating, unless you have a high degree of self-realisation.

Love,

Kriya

I agree fully with this, and won't try to push this on anyone, here's why... I did not become interested in changing my diet until a stint with fast food constipation (worked at dunkin donuts 40 hrs, emergency surgery, having a drain pulled out of my butt, then a spiritual trip, fasting (not planned, just taking it easy!) leading into an entire night of rhythmic breathing or "pranayama"... in fact to this day I cannot believe I did that for 8 hours and didnt know WTF I was getting into.

Now my experience of higher states of mind before this was some brief stints with visualization and lucid dreaming...or some would call OBE or dreams that are more real than reality (heh, seriously)... being in a society that generally doesnt accept that, I guess I found "my clique" amongst the rejected potheads, mushroom and acid eaters, etc, and being generally repressive at jobs or publicly I was just kind of a repressed person

Next day, seeing with eyes "there is nothing in the universe that is the biggest thing or the smaller" or directly seeing size and distance as illusory, feeling I am things, objects, talking nonsense to people I know "I feel like I am that truck!" at a loss for words... yet I was communicating with them on a spiritual level so "nothing needed to be said"...erm... deeply sensitive to people's suffering, NEVER RELATING it to food, but I knew the breathing had to do with it...Seeing people as half asleep, VERY VERY sensitive to EVERYTHING around me on a "psychic" level... erm, light bulb at work, reacting to my mood. The more "closed" I made myself to people, the dimmer it got. It felt like my perception was literally CREATING the world around me, in fact, we do, just like a dream. In fact even making this post seems like a dream, to be honest. But I KNOW there are people that are looking for this and dont know it, like I didnt realize as I fell down again...

I fell down because I was getting so masculine from working out and believed I needed protein, the whole PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN! PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN! world got to me and I was eventually eating the tuna and shakes and I was ripped and told EVERYONE WHO ASKED ME what I ate "oh its tuna! the protein's doing it!"... but deeply inside of me, I knew being vegan was the healthier choice, as I was drawn to raw food after my hospital/pranayama stunt.

So naturally people who are vegan try to compensate mimicking society's "nutriton LAWS" by eating lots of beans, maybe some pasta, potatoes, rice.... which was my dinner for a long time, always being the hardheaded type, living alone, working full time. I guess a lot of personal problems for me came from conflicts with parents who THEMSELVES are conflicted and damaged being a biracial couple who got married in I want to say 1980's american society.... and so on, and so forth. so I think we all eat emotionally NOT out of necessity, but with fruitarianism all that starts to show for what it is...

Pretty much eventually I did what "society said" and got the nice office job yet here I am consuming large amounts of vegan grain food (oats and raisins in the AM to top it off!) and my gut just BUUUUULLLLGED right up. There would be days I did lift, and didnt, yet the programming was so deep, being vegan, in a meat loving world, you get afraid and overcompensate for protein with lots of crap cooked vegan food. I got hive issues quickly and did a lot of research and eventually came to the realization we are being lied to and damaged SO BADLY by media and food companies.... Pretty much hives, yeast overgrowth (and pretty much all disease IMO) is related to stuff being blocked up, or at least, bugs grow in the intestines and its painful to sweat them out....this affects our mood GREATLY over time, and is all related to cooked food IMO.

I think I came across going COMPLETELY raw when I learned about the dangers of high carb food/fatty raw food... and I think garlic called me into it too, because here I was eating 10 cloves a day laying down sweating, crying and hiving up to cure myself. Detoxing, in all forms, SUCKS. It's like dealing with every crappy emotion in yourself or the ugly false ego head on.... And I think over time a lot of it sneaks up on us, we have no idea, just like some people get fat and "never saw it comin" we never see how much food affects our ACTIONS in this world or how GOOD we feel, in the LONG TERM.... Its sooooo subtle.

Eventually I got into some fruit and the pineapples turned my lips redder than theyve been in years, that "healthy glow". So I was working with the pineapples and garlic and also note that I grew HAIR on my ARMS with garlic and had smelly armpits. This freaked me out, made me realize Im so toxic, the hair literally isnt growing where it should be. Thats how deep this stuff goes.

Going through all this, Ive had nothing but negative comment after the other from people or family, anyone who hates garlic, is going to HATE YOU and the person youre becoming... it literally seems like that some time, as far as being on a "vibrational level" with people, as some might say.... (I dont like using cliche terms sorry) but now I am seeing people like Jericho and resonating with them, and it would have saved me a HELL of a hassle if I had seen his videos 6 years ago when I was naturally "guided" to a more "holistic diet" in the first place, and got confused by dishonest, money hungry media and the protein myth.

The realizations went so deep from my starving stint before (unplanned!) eventually I had a hard time because everything seemed "perfect" or as someone here said "God Shock" I think I got myself together by eventually creating a path of exercise and music, and art... to have a reason to live (I think I was already being called into fruitarianism/breatharian but not realizing it). But the protein myth really got me distracted and run down to the point I guess WORK got me run down, mentally, physically, but now working with the fruits... if one does that, its as Jericho says exactly, you will get your butt WHOOPED

As far as those who want to doubt, well all I can say is going fruitarian makes me feel like eating is a ritual, I feel very "phony" and not myself even putting fruit into my mouth, and am already having very loud laughters as I start to see people around me more clearly as living in a dreamworld where they believe cooked food is better for the body than fruit, cooked food is needed or they will die, cooked food doesnt cause disease, and the things they do, say, and believe... well all that is leaving me so its strange. I cant say I AM a breatharian or give anyone who wants to argue an answer, but Bill and Kerry are AMAZING people and this is basically, here for them because they might not understand this has to do with spirituality, as most people dont, and because my love goes out to them for informing me and helping me to really know what's going on and help others see that as well.

Im not here to argue, Im not here to fight, Im not here to be "loving and compassionate" or make fruitarianism easy in fact this is probably the hardest thing Ive gone through in a long time, regarding people if you open your mouth you will AWAKEN DEMONS IN PEOPLE you cant even begin to be ready to fight....and by demons I DO mean on the level of giving garlic to a vampire. Get it?

and I guarantee anyone who goes fruitarian, the last thing they are going to feel is "loving and warm" at first towards people who will be against them (MOST PEOPLE INCLUDING FAMILY!) unless they simply ZIP IT UP and take this as a personal journey, which I would totally if I were to water fast (dont think Im there just yet)

Beyond this, in further support of the quoted comment, I did in fact get to the point during my "spiritual pranayama" week or few week long stunt that the "spirit of death" was waiting for me. In fact it seemed as if there were a force in this universe that were death, and it was waiting for me to choose when to let it take me (as real as talking to another person, literally) Now thats not an easy thing in fact I remember going a little insane and feeling like i had to keep MOVING or it would come for me...Some old fruitarian said this on a site I read, too...

At this point Id like to point a good link out, made by one of the posters in this thread (nice work!)

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/blowing-apart-breatharians?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A503218&xg_source=activity

Nothing makes journeying into higher states of mind easier, I think, and people most likely die because they dont want to live with the realizations and deep emotional purging...or dealing closely with their own mind because it WILL play tricks on you....which I guess is what Im trying to workout... exercise, meditation, music, art, and keeping myself grounded and not letting my mind trick me... just without the protein! Healing physically from a fat gut, damaged body, and well, thats my journey so far for those who ask...but mainly I introduced this here for Bill and Kerry, I hope SO MUCH they see this and put it into their knowing, because well when Collier talks about ETs mentoring us... this IS mentoring, breatharians ARE our mentors, but why would they get involved in our life if we cannot make the decision ourselves?

Its not really about the technology so much, anyone with some mirrors and metal can make a steam piston and a parabolic mirror or fresnel lens, or work with the leedskalnin material or les brown's pyramid material (which is what honestly, Im trying to wrap my head around lately)

But I hope this is helpful for the people who are OPEN TO IT. If anyone wants to flame, judge, or say ANYTHING NEGATIVE to me, all I can say is my journey is my journey, I think what I think, and am here to give people something, not trying to take away something. I know this is a dualistic universe, so IMO those personalities are simply the duality of life that hates garlic... or in other words, a really fat, diseased person doesnt want to even look at this, but someone out there who is looking for a tip, this might change their lives. Any other questions all I can say is I resonate so much with Jericho Sunfire you might as well just watch his videos and not ask me, because Ill probably say the same exact thing, LOL

Except for breatharianism. Im not that far yet. Still working with the fruits. But hey Im trying.

annemirri
17th April 2010, 06:52
Nothing makes journeying into higher states of mind easier, I.

than to live in peace and harmony with the world in you !

Never mind about the world around you, as it is your eyes that see it.

if you kick a grape and the liquid comes out,
who put the liquid inside it ? It was there already.

What comes to ETs and aliens, if talking about positive, enlightening ones,
had my many contacts as a child,
I was inner born vegetarian, did not know how to lie,
at times my parents forced me to eat one small piece of meat per day,
when there were no raw carrots, apples, berries during the long dark winters
as I was very very thin...

What does it help if I choose to hate them, feel bitter to that this world ?
to revenge ?

I am happy that all that gave me strength to raise my own children (16 and 14)
to a vegetarian way fo life, no killing, no forced ideas, religious dogmas,
just free road to walk and find out their on truths,

it has not been too easy for them either,
people ask them why they even eat vegetables as they are living,
is it like killing as well ?

I have taught them to answer (if they do not find their own answers) that

we are not yet there, but are getting there.

a.

bashi
17th April 2010, 07:12
The blind shall follow the blind and the weak shall live in denial and talk of someone else who is going to come and do their work for them!

Get off your knees human race and exercise your will!

It seems you have no idea what you are talking about

realitycorrodes
17th April 2010, 09:58
Those who know will know what I am talking about. Each to their own belief system. If you were to understand you would have understood already...seems like you have realised more than me.lol There was a man in a city whose water got poisoned. This man never drank the water and could see how different everyone was while drinking poisoned water. Everyone else thought he was crazy - only cos he did not drink the poisoned water and did not change like the others. No matter what he said they could not understand him....they just thought he was crazy! C'est la vie! I don't have the time or the inclination...find someone at your level to play with...maybe a master. lol

HORIZONS
17th April 2010, 13:31
I was just wondering about the statement "you are what you eat" and if there is any truth to this then if we eat nothing we may have arrived at a place of nothingness.

annemirri
17th April 2010, 18:18
I was just wondering about the statement "you are what you eat" and if there is any truth to this then if we eat nothing we may have arrived at a place of nothingness.

This is good,
if you eat nothing you are nothing,

but if you eat all the colors of the rainbow,
the greens, reds, oranges, yellows, you are all the colors of the world,

all the vibrations of the light spectrum.

Love,
a.

bashi
17th April 2010, 19:01
Those who know will know what I am talking about. Each to their own belief system. If you were to understand you would have understood already...seems like you have realised more than me.lol There was a man in a city whose water got poisoned. This man never drank the water and could see how different everyone was while drinking poisoned water. Everyone else thought he was crazy - only cos he did not drink the poisoned water and did not change like the others. No matter what he said they could not understand him....they just thought he was crazy! C'est la vie! I don't have the time or the inclination...find someone at your level to play with...maybe a master. lol

I see now that you really don`t now what you are talking about

bashi
17th April 2010, 19:06
Many animals would not have the chance of life it was not for the meat industry, lets face it, farmers would not breed animals if they could not sell them. It may well be that the animal evolves to a higher life form after death.


LOL: The meat industry as a tool for animal ascension!!!
Grey, can`t you do better than that?


.

samvado
17th April 2010, 19:24
I was just wondering about the statement "you are what you eat" and if there is any truth to this then if we eat nothing we may have arrived at a place of nothingness.

yeah, why be a hero when you can be a zero ..:hungry:

realitycorrodes
17th April 2010, 20:18
In my experience, I have noticed there are attachments (mostly negative in my view) to this hologram that come in the form of lust, greed, pride, ego, and attachment. These are five of the main ones. I noticed that that there are five flavours. I suscpected/noticed that each flavour is associated with one kind of attachment. Direct experience with transitioning to breatharianism demonstrated to me that these negative traits (lust, greed, pride, ego, and attachment) disappeared without any effort of will - this is my experience...it may not be true for anyone else. This has led me to conclude that the spirit contained in the human animal is trapped in the body mainly due to its attachment to food and that all the negative vibrations of this dimension (lust, greed, pride, ego, and attachment) comes in via the humans animal's attachement to food - this lowers the vibration of the spirit which keeps it tied down to this (hell realm) hologram. This is my own direct experience. But maybe this will expose me to direct insults about my personal worth in regard to being knowledgable?! What was that quote someone had as a signature around here. "All it takes for evil to take over is for good people to sit around and do nothing!" Perhaps those good people are sitting around doing nothing cos they are the chosen ones waiting to be saved? The master said so...right!lol

Solphilos
17th April 2010, 20:44
In my experience, food has absolutely nothing to do with obtaining higher consciousness, nor does food "trap" us in these bodies of ours. Yes, I do believe that it is important to be aware of what goes into the body, but should you choose to eat unhealthily, this does not have to effect your consciousness. Eating is just one of the rules of the game, an necessary condition to be here. Of course, I do believe that this need can be transcended, but necessary? Hell no.
When I first began reaching higher levels of consciousness, it became apparent to me that I did not have to depend on food. I went for a time without eating, and fasting certainly enhanced my abilities to transcend the body, but when I wanted to eat something tasty I would do so with no ill effect upon my level of awareness.

If one is able to reach a higher level of being by not eating, then good for them; it is but another path as valid as any other. Personally, I did the opposite and achieved the ability to not eat by reaching those higher levels. But, I am here to experience, I enjoy the experience, and make full use of it and allow myself to enjoy all that pleasures that these 3 dimensions have to offer.

HORIZONS
17th April 2010, 20:57
In my experience, food has absolutely nothing to do with obtaining higher consciousness, nor does food "trap" us in these bodies of ours. Yes, I do believe that it is important to be aware of what goes into the body, but should you choose to eat unhealthily, this does not have to effect your consciousness. Eating is just one of the rules of the game, an necessary condition to be here. Of course, I do believe that this need can be transcended, but necessary? Hell no.
When I first began reaching higher levels of consciousness, it became apparent to me that I did not have to depend on food. I went for a time without eating, and fasting certainly enhanced my abilities to transcend the body, but when I wanted to eat something tasty I would do so with no ill effect upon my level of awareness.

If one is able to reach a higher level of being by not eating, then good for them; it is but another path as valid as any other. Personally, I did the opposite and achieved the ability to not eat by reaching those higher levels. But, I am here to experience, I enjoy the experience, and make full use of it and allow myself to enjoy all that pleasures that these 3 dimensions have to offer.

Good points to ponder!!!

bashi
17th April 2010, 20:59
In my experience, I have noticed there are attachments (mostly negative in my view) to this hologram that come in the form of lust, greed, pride, ego, and attachment. These are five of the main ones. I noticed that that there are five flavours. I suscpected/noticed that each flavour is associated with one kind of attachment. Direct experience with transitioning to breatharianism demonstrated to me that these negative traits (lust, greed, pride, ego, and attachment) disappeared without any effort of will - this is my experience...it may not be true for anyone else. This has led me to conclude that the spirit contained in the human animal is trapped in the body mainly due to its attachment to food and that all the negative vibrations of this dimension (lust, greed, pride, ego, and attachment) comes in via the humans animal's attachement to food - this lowers the vibration of the spirit which keeps it tied down to this (hell realm) hologram. This is my own direct experience. But maybe this will expose me to direct insults about my personal worth in regard to being knowledgable?!

I am happy that i was WRONG! You DO now know what you are talking about.
Greetings from the master..;)

.

realitycorrodes
17th April 2010, 21:01
It is no coincidence that when people obtain "higher consciousness" it becomes apparent to them that they do not need to depend on food - I suggest this is because it is the natural progression of the spirit. This knowing that they don't need food is the spirit communicating with the "little I" in the form of intuition - trying to communicate what is now required for further spiritual progression. It is a two way street to higher consciousness - people can precipitate their spiritual progress by choosing not to eat which will open up higher consciousness or they can go more slowly and find out for themselves that they should not eat in order to further their spiritual progress. Many like to pretend it is not necessary, but there are many tricks being played along the path. There is it seems some energy that wishes to betray the spirit and keep it bound in lower vibration for as long as possible. Such deception I have been told comes from the mind of the human animal itself. Also there are many levels of spirituality - what most people consider spiritual is low level astral and mind which is tainted by "egotistical beliefs" that strangely align themselves with this denser reality - the spirit needs to be careful - trust no-one except its own direct experience - especially be careful of masters! But the only thing I know is that I know nothing!

Solphilos
17th April 2010, 21:20
It is no coincidence that when people obtain "higher consciousness" it becomes apparent to them that they do not need to depend on food - I suggest this is because it is the natural progression of the spirit. This knowing that they don't need food is the spirit communicating with the "little I" in the form of intuition - trying to communicate what is now required for further spiritual progression. It is a two way street to higher consciousness - people can precipitate their spiritual progress by choosing not to eat which will open up higher consciousness or they can go more slowly and find out for themselves that they should not eat in order to further their spiritual progress. Many like to pretend it is not necessary, but there are many tricks being played along the path. There is it seems some energy that wishes to betray the spirit and keep it bound in lower vibration for as long as possible. Such deception I have been told comes from the mind of the human animal itself. Also there are many levels of spirituality - what most people consider spiritual is low level astral and mind which is tainted by "egotistical beliefs" that strangely align themselves with this denser reality - the spirit needs to be careful - trust no-one except its own direct experience - especially be careful of masters! But the only thing I know is that I know nothing!

Deceptions are quite common when one is seeking, yes, be very wary of them, especially if they claim that one must do something physically in order to advance.


the spirit needs to be careful - trust no-one except its own direct experience - especially be careful of masters! But the only thing I know is that I know nothing!
Are you sure that this is the truth? This final sentence is a complete contradiction to every post you have made. You say you know nothing, yet you seem to be implying that not-eating is absolutely necessary for spiritual advancement, and that those who think otherwise are being deceived. Excuse me if I read this wrong.
In actuality, there is none more deceived than he who believes that he is incapable of deception, and thinks that he has found the one path to "enlightenment", while the path others follow is inferior.

Again, choosing to not eat is just fine if one is truly capable, but by all means it is not necessary.

realitycorrodes
17th April 2010, 22:29
There is no right and wrong in my book from a particular perspective. I write in a paradoxical way to somehow communicate this paradox. Everything I have written is mere suggestions from my own experience. As I mentioned above "each to their own belief system". At a particular level for nothing really matters for me - I am merely exchanging thoughts at the level of illusion. No dogma required. If people choose to "ASSUME" I have stated categorically that something is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH when it is clear that I have not said such a statement - what can I do? Assumption is the mother of all F***Ups after all! Peace my brothers and sisters, I will bow out gracefully here. It is clear that I am alone with these kind of thoughts. Wishing you well with your comfort group.

ExHaLaTiON
18th April 2010, 06:27
There is no right and wrong in my book from a particular perspective. I write in a paradoxical way to somehow communicate this paradox. Everything I have written is mere suggestions from my own experience. As I mentioned above "each to their own belief system". At a particular level for nothing really matters for me - I am merely exchanging thoughts at the level of illusion. No dogma required. If people choose to "ASSUME" I have stated categorically that something is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH when it is clear that I have not said such a statement - what can I do? Assumption is the mother of all F***Ups after all! Peace my brothers and sisters, I will bow out gracefully here. It is clear that I am alone with these kind of thoughts. Wishing you well with your comfort group.

I agree with you.

The ruling elite's deception against humanity mainly exists at a fundamental level, affecting the aspects of reality that we erroneously assume are basic truths.

Your thoughts are that which you make exists, not just that which the masses are aware of.

Stay vigilant my friend , your input is always appreciated.

Great thread!

HORIZONS
18th April 2010, 12:33
There is no right and wrong in my book from a particular perspective. I write in a paradoxical way to somehow communicate this paradox. Everything I have written is mere suggestions from my own experience. As I mentioned above "each to their own belief system". At a particular level for nothing really matters for me - I am merely exchanging thoughts at the level of illusion. No dogma required. If people choose to "ASSUME" I have stated categorically that something is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH when it is clear that I have not said such a statement - what can I do? Assumption is the mother of all F***Ups after all! Peace my brothers and sisters, I will bow out gracefully here. It is clear that I am alone with these kind of thoughts. Wishing you well with your comfort group.

There is no reason for you to bow out at all - its all good, communication on a forum like this is difficult sometimes. I totally agree with your statement "Also there are many levels of spirituality - what most people consider spiritual is low level astral and mind which is tainted by "egotistical beliefs" that strangely align themselves with this denser reality - the spirit needs to be careful - trust no-one except its own direct experience - especially be careful of masters! But the only thing I know is that I know nothing!" - so keep it coming, we must keep the dialog going. ~Peace~

Ventana
18th April 2010, 13:59
In my experience, food has absolutely nothing to do with obtaining higher consciousness, nor does food "trap" us in these bodies of ours. Yes, I do believe that it is important to be aware of what goes into the body, but should you choose to eat unhealthily, this does not have to effect your consciousness. Eating is just one of the rules of the game, an necessary condition to be here. Of course, I do believe that this need can be transcended, but necessary? Hell no.
When I first began reaching higher levels of consciousness, it became apparent to me that I did not have to depend on food. I went for a time without eating, and fasting certainly enhanced my abilities to transcend the body, but when I wanted to eat something tasty I would do so with no ill effect upon my level of awareness.

If one is able to reach a higher level of being by not eating, then good for them; it is but another path as valid as any other. Personally, I did the opposite and achieved the ability to not eat by reaching those higher levels. But, I am here to experience, I enjoy the experience, and make full use of it and allow myself to enjoy all that pleasures that these 3 dimensions have to offer.

Well said. Fasting now and then is probably not a bad thing but as long as our bodies require food we need to eat and how and what we choose to eat is a matter of personal conscience and preference. I just think it's dangerous to just decide to stop eating altogether. I also think that eating just fruits or just vegetables or just one type of food is not a good idea either. The comment a few posts back about eating from all the colors of the rainbow is good advice, IMHO:)

greybeard
18th April 2010, 14:29
For the enlightened ones eating or not eating isn't an issue, very often they have to be reminded to look after the body.
They are fully aware that they are not the body.

They advise that all belief systems, without exception, must go, also the thought that I am the doer.
As long as there is a "me" choosing to eat or not eat this or that then consciousness is not fully evolved.

Eckhart Tolle joked about having to wear a baseball cap to go into Starbucks for coffee as a "disguise".
People kept saying to him "You wrote a spiritual book you shouldn't be drinking coffee"
Coffee is supposed to lower the consciousness -- so many stories.
Nasargadatta smoked cigarettes -- shock horror.
My one time partner and I spent a fortune on raw food and diet plans and the author of the diets maintained it was a way to enlightenment, he also recommended the book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. We both stuck to the diet for many many month and it was enjoyable but raising consciousness -- who knows.
What ever works but I wouldn't take anything too seriously or an attachment is formed ie . Me and my habit/belief.

Regards
Chris

Solphilos
18th April 2010, 14:38
What ever works but I wouldn't take anything too seriously or an attachment is formed ie . Me and my habit/belief.

Regards
Chris

I agree.
And...if coffee lowers consciousness, then I should be in a coma!:laugh:

K626
18th April 2010, 14:56
Coffee is good. I won't have a word said against it. :lalala::behindsofa:

kriya
18th April 2010, 15:36
Nasargadatta smoked cigarettes -- shock horror.

So did Ramakrishna, it was the only thing that brought him back down from cosmic consciousness.

Love,

Kriya

annemirri
18th April 2010, 18:25
I agree.
And...if coffee lowers consciousness, then I should be in a coma!:laugh:

I could be without eating anything, but not without my coffee ( and croissant.)

All my friends who have very high IQ are coffee addicts.

and surprisingly wine has the most pronounced effect in boosting people's memory,
followed by chocolate and tea .

a.

Ventana
18th April 2010, 18:34
Coffee is good. I won't have a word said against it. :lalala::behindsofa:

lol. I agree. growing up, my Irish mother always (and still does--she's in her 80's) drank strong black tea and that's what she gave us when we were sick (I also asked for chocolate ice cream:).
I think a good cup of strong, hot tea is extremely therapeutic and, as for coffee, I rely on it to get me started in the morning... I was allowed to drink a cup or two even when I was pregnant and my son was born quite healthy. What most people need to do imho is avoid endless junk food and empty calories. Eat a good balanced diet with plenty of fresh fruits, nuts, veggies/salads, whole grains, etc. Know the source of the food whenever possible, keep it organic when possible. Learning how to cook helps because then you can really control what goes into your meals. Try different cuisines when you eat out. I live in an area where Mexican food is ubiquitous and I love it--it has become my comfort food and if prepared correctly is very healthy as there is an emphasis on flavor and texture. I love some nice fajitas with lots of pica de gallo--tomatoes, onions, jalapenos or serranos, cilantro, fresh lime juice and grilled peppers and onions. I've also come to love Indian food. And I love Louisiana cooking, too. Long live cayenne! And every time I sit down to a good meal I am thankful for the blessing of having some food to eat. I never take it for granted. Give to your local food banks, folks. As we discuss whether to eat or not to eat we must remember those among us who don't have enough to eat...Sorry, I didn't mean to turn this into a lecture but I honestly am grateful that I do have enough to eat. My mother lived through WWII in Liverpool and remembers rationing and my father grew up during the depression in West Texas, one of 11 kids so I know they know what not having enough is like. My mother always cooked every single day, we didn't have fast food and we played outside all the time so we weren't fat kids. Childhood obesity is epidemic because people stuff their kids with endless fast food and forbid them from playing outside
like we did when I grew up. Cook healthy food for your kids and keep 'em active in sports or some other activity. I kept my son in soccer, basketball and football (not all at the same time!) and I cooked most of his meals at home and insisted that he at least try new foods and he is not at all fat. Part of that is genetics but if your kids eat Mickey D's all the time and sit around watching TV and playing video games they are going to get fat. They need to be outside on a bike or running around in the park or practicing basketball or soccer (football, I know). It's not rocket science.

annemirri
18th April 2010, 18:51
. Try different cuisines when you eat out.

There is that one thing that I have noticed myself being extremely sensitive about,
is eating with others or in the restaurants.

When I was a little child I ate nothing when others were eating,
and when they stopped I started to eat on my own alone at the table.
At school I became extremely nervous eating with others, them staring at my food.
(I got anorexic)

When I got married and had my children I left my husband to eat with the children
and ate alone in another room.

I guess it has something to do with sharing other people's energy through food.

I have never understood people going on a date to eat in a restaurant.
it is different for drinks.

I must really like a person if I am to eat their cooking....or I get a stomach ache.

a.

Ventana
18th April 2010, 19:01
That's interesting...my Irish/English mother raised us with very proper table manners and people used to comment on how "daintily" I ate my food, in the school cafeteria for example. And I ate slowly because my mother, again, insisted that we eat "properly." We always set a nice table with forks on one side, knives on the other, etc. We are all more casual now but growing up it used to bug me when people would comment on how slowly I ate. I got over it and having to eat lunches on the fly at work I probably eat faster now then is healthy. But I have always enjoyed sharing meals with others and the communal feeling it imparts.

Ventana
18th April 2010, 19:04
it is different for drinks.

a.[/QUOTE]

You know what they say about drinking alone;)

annemirri
18th April 2010, 19:07
Cook healthy food for your kids and keep 'em active in sports or some other activity.


When my own children were babies (now 14 and 16)
I noticed that they were growing quite well although they were not eating as much as I wanted them to.

There are many scientific studies of premature human babies, and animal babies,
that won't grow no matter how good the nutrition contents of their food may be
if they do not get any love, comfort, skin contact.

(my babies were really fat, people literally laughed at them,
although I was only breastfeeding them ! but babyfat is good for IQ and nerve development!)

a.

annemirri
18th April 2010, 19:19
You know what they say about drinking alone;)

I always got some company, pretty girl...:ohwell:

and as we have nothing other than plasters in our medicine cabinet,
for my joint (nerve) pain I take a small glass of wine a few times of week.

and for really bad pain the best medicine is a small glass of good quality cognac.

(nature's medicine is much better than synthetic ones )

( my body cannot take any other kind of alcohol, no mixtures, only the best and cleanest for me....)

a.

Ventana
18th April 2010, 19:47
When my own children were babies (now 14 and 16)
I noticed that they were growing quite well although they were not eating as much as I wanted them to.

There are many scientific studies of premature human babies, and animal babies,
that won't grow no matter how good the nutrition contents of their food may be
if they do not get any love, comfort, skin contact.

(my babies were really fat, people literally laughed at them,
although I was only breastfeeding them ! but babyfat is good for IQ and nerve development!)

a.

Your absolutely right! Just goes to show that our health is dependent on much more than simply what we eat.

Ventana
18th April 2010, 19:51
"and as we have nothing other than plasters in our medicine cabinet,
for my joint (nerve) pain I take a small glass of wine a few times of week.

and for really bad pain the best medicine is a small glass of good quality cognac."

I take it by "plasters" you are referring to what we call bandaids in the US? On another note, I like some Kahlua or Tia Maria with milk to induce sleep on occasion. Works like a charm, though I rarely need help getting to sleep, thankfully.

annemirri
18th April 2010, 20:13
I take it by "plasters" you are referring to what we call bandaids in the US? On another note, I like some Kahlua or Tia Maria with milk to induce sleep on occasion. Works like a charm, though I rarely need help getting to sleep, thankfully.

yep, I am learning to use english words instead of american ones, bandaids are plasters.

a.

lightblue
18th April 2010, 22:33
graybeard
Nasargadatta smoked cigarettes -- shock horror.

and then:


So did Ramakrishna, it was the only thing that brought him back down from cosmic consciousness.

Love,

Kriya


sorry to but in...plus i feel i shouldn't be here as i am weak..but the above post is a BLAST !!

imagine that being written as warning on every packet of cigarettes - MAY BRING YOU BACK FROM COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS :wacko2: :wacko2: :wacko2: :wacko2:


what is going on here?

Ailée
18th April 2010, 23:03
Hey lightblue,

Don't know if it's a genuine question but, how this translates to me is that eating and, more generally, "earthly" things such as alcohol and cigarettes, are all ways of grounding the body, whether by virtue of their intrinsic healing/nurturing values or because of their 3D "density" tone (which includes the positive relation to the "substance").

I can relate.

My take :yo:

lightblue
18th April 2010, 23:26
hi ailee

do you seriously think there's a method for ataining cosmic consciousness?

earlier on graybeard worte this:


or the enlightened ones eating or not eating isn't an issue, very often they have to be reminded to look after the body.
They are fully aware that they are not the body.

They advise that all belief systems, without exception, must go, also the thought that I am the doer.
As long as there is a "me" choosing to eat or not eat this or that then consciousness is not fully evolved.

Eckhart Tolle joked about having to wear a baseball cap to go into Starbucks for coffee as a "disguise".
People kept saying to him "You wrote a spiritual book you shouldn't be drinking coffee"
Coffee is supposed to lower the consciousness -- so many stories.
Nasargadatta smoked cigarettes -- shock horror.
My one time partner and I spent a fortune on raw food and diet plans and the author of the diets maintained it was a way to enlightenment, he also recommended the book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. We both stuck to the diet for many many month and it was enjoyable but raising consciousness -- who knows.
What ever works but I wouldn't take anything too seriously or an attachment is formed ie . Me and my habit/belief.

Regards
Chris


Quote Originally Posted by greybeard View Post
Many animals would not have the chance of life it was not for the meat industry, lets face it, farmers would not breed animals if they could not sell them. It may well be that the animal evolves to a higher life form after death.


and a little while before this he's on about how the meat industry helps animals evolve as souls faster than they'd be if there weren't for the slaughter houses..are we to assume that wars are great as they help human souls evolve faster??? i am lost for words..some other authors are on about their diets, someone wrote about his/her coffee drinking habit...yeah, just what is going on here? :angry:


i agree with the warning in brackets (title of this thread)... you do need a strong stomach to digest some of the things written here..

sorry, i am out of here..


best wishes l :secret:.

Ailée
19th April 2010, 00:06
Well, I see your point, and it's interesting what crystallization we each form from the fragments that compose a thread.

I do not think that there is a method to achieve cosmic consciousness (not going into what we mean by that) but that there are indeed processes, techniques, habits, disciplines, tools, ways, searches, ... etc ... that allow one to take that road.

Now regarding meat industry, here is another viewpoint of the entire post including this passage. That in whatever form, each and every "living" lifeform that is expressed on this planet has somehow agreed to, chosen to. Whether to assist humans in their being (not entirely my cup of tea) or just as another manifestation of the Earth's consciousness (or, just consciousness). In the relationship of respect to these other beings that is a way of life in some cutlures, is implied a reciprocity or terms of interaction that could take many forms.

Just to say, I do not see this following into a defense of any form in particular, thus not promoting war over another means, since
I wouldn't take anything too seriously or an attachment is formed ie . Me and my habit/belief.

I also want to say that my contribution was more related to kriya's post


So did Ramakrishna, it was the only thing that brought him back down from cosmic consciousness.

ie about it being non paradoxical (or self-contradicting or "unbelievable" - lol) that a quote master would "indulge" (as it may be seen as a very deliberate, responsible, preferential choice) in a quote bad substance.

About the way "back" rather than the way "to".

That being said, I see your point and I can't but contemplate, amazed, the dance of weighs different trends form meeting one another.

And I appreciate your standing for a grounded claim to responsibility. That, to me, is part of both the way to and the way back.

:yo:


Edit to ad :

I forgot to mention that, in line with what comes out of the original topic, if the idea itself of needing to eat - and particularly the way it is being played out in the darwinian mainstream conception of human evolution - is a construct that buries the connection to higher self or whatever cosmic consciousness you will, it is assumed that breatharianism, even fruitarianism, integrate in their very "practice" (who you become/regain through that process and from that process) the peaceful wisdom of no kill existing.

That was more to come back to the thread. What I really wanted to say in reply to your "chock" in what you were pointing, is that something makes sense to me in the idea of slaughtering, hunting as in killing, and even hunting as in living - the way we came to feed ourselves being the result of an imprisonment construct on the whole biosphere

Kikine
19th April 2010, 00:12
One important thing we have to remember is that nearly all the food we have now is ''poisoned'' in a sense. It is hard to find real food that has no chemicals in it except if you grow it yourself. Again, you have to think about the seed , where they come from etc. I think the word in english is wheat (in french blé) but an example I could give is that the wheat from 2009 and 2008 is supposely toxic because of the weather etc. They shouldnt be eaten but everybody use it. Thanks I know someone who still has reserve from 2007. Anyway, also, about deceases, people might want to look at the acid/alcalin thing. Many are acid because the food we eat is acid. Most food from the stores are acid. People should try to be more alkalin, i saw results from people i know. Look up on internet what food is acid and what is alkalin. doing your own milk is also better ( im talking of sesame mils or almond milk etc) The water we drink isnt better(tap water). What they do for the filtration is putting chemicals in it to remove virus etc. After that its too acid so they have to put back other chemicals to make it around 7 ph. Moreover, I am sure people can be breatharian but I think you really have to be in control of yourself to be able to do that. Today, people loose energy just by being angry or stressed etc. You have to be sure to take energies somewhere lol. I guess people should try different things and see what works for them cause we have different reactions and are at different stages. But it is always better to do your own food or to take it from a farm etc. ( i hope i didnt write too bad, sry its my french :) )

ps; oh and i think that that kind of ''poisoning'' could have an effect or block us spiritually or with our consciousness, in my opinion.:)

Fruitman
19th April 2010, 02:46
hi ailee

do you seriously think there's a method for ataining cosmic consciousness?

earlier on graybeard worte this:






and a little while before this he's on about how the meat industry helps animals evolve as souls faster than they'd be if there weren't for the slaughter houses..are we to assume that wars are great as they help human souls evolve faster??? i am lost for words..some other authors are on about their diets, someone wrote about his/her coffee drinking habit...yeah, just what is going on here? :angry:


i agree with the warning in brackets (title of this thread)... you do need a strong stomach to digest some of the things written here..

sorry, i am out of here..


best wishes l :secret:.

See, you get it. Youre wise to see what kind "super intellects" come out when they hear this information.

As I said, fruit is nothing but a nicotine patch, in my opinion, to ease one off of a lifetime of cooked food addiction.

If one wants to say otherwise, fine, then this thread isnt for you its for someone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921

It's funny how quick people change when situations change. What people say they know and what they REALLY know become clearer, I can say, when one consumes only fruit for a time. Theres only one way to find out if theres any validity to that last sentence. If you dont want to, its cool. No one is going to force anyone, so there shouldnt be anything to defend.

Some people are on a death wish with food, as Jericho Sunfire has repeatedly said. For those, I wouldnt recommend it. Some people wanna talk about their kids, coffee, some yogi smoking, animals here to serve us, etc... thats fine, this thread's not for you.

For people who dont REALLY want to do cleansing I wouldnt recommend it. For those doing it, I would strongly recommend physical strength training exercises/isometrics, meditation, and qi gong/dancing/some form of free movement. Putting the body into this cycle makes transitioning to fruitarianism "and beyond" a little easier. In fact, it makes it beautiful.

kriya
19th April 2010, 06:21
[SIZE="3"]hi ailee
do you seriously think there's a method for ataining cosmic consciousness?


Yes its called meditation and service to others. Just because some ideas threaten your worldview, doesn't make them false.

love,

Kriya

annemirri
19th April 2010, 06:59
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how this translates to me is that eating and, more generally, "earthly" things such as alcohol and cigarettes, are all ways of grounding the body, whether by virtue of their intrinsic healing/nurturing values or because of their 3D "density" tone (which includes the positive relation to the "substance").



I very much doubt that cigarettes or smoking can ground one,
but poison the physical body,

if not talking the native american indians who used smoking
as a way of harmonising the mind/body, form of meditation. (I remember my own father relaxing, becoming more gentle with his words when filling his pipe and smoking it, and it was just basic tobacco.)

And there are many kind of alcohols...poisons (mixtures, many beers)
and those which are aged with time and care, or basic good wine made out of nutrious rich grapes.

Many times I have myself used eating as a way to ground myself,
as we are here to live in three dimensional word.(at least for a few more years)

I have noticed that many vegetarian women have to "ground "them selves by eating more fat or protein rich food before their menstrual cycles, be more in their "animal body."

a.

annemirri
19th April 2010, 07:09
For people who dont REALLY want to do cleansing I wouldnt recommend it.

For those doing it, I would strongly recommend physical strength training exercises/isometrics, meditation, and qi gong/dancing/some form of free movement.

Putting the body into this cycle makes transitioning to fruitarianism "and beyond" a little easier. In fact, it makes it beautiful.

The one thing that you may not get,

that for some it is just a body.

Their mind and souls are clear and bright enough to live or reside in any kind of bodies,
nourished with any kind of food,
and still their their conciousness is far more than those punishing their physical bodies.

a.

Swami
19th April 2010, 07:15
Those who know will know what I am talking about. Each to their own belief system. If you were to understand you would have understood already...seems like you have realised more than me.lol There was a man in a city whose water got poisoned. This man never drank the water and could see how different everyone was while drinking poisoned water. Everyone else thought he was crazy - only cos he did not drink the poisoned water and did not change like the others. No matter what he said they could not understand him....they just thought he was crazy! C'est la vie! I don't have the time or the inclination...find someone at your level to play with...maybe a master. lol

Question is: HOW did that water get poisoned......??

greybeard
19th April 2010, 08:41
I accept that virtually any practice that requires disciplining the mind will lead to a higher state of consciousness including Fruitariaism- breatharisinism but to Enlightenment no. Higher states of consciousness come and go and are therefore not it.
No concept will show you the Truth of what you are.
Every enlightened sage since time began has spoke of the same path to enlightenment and that the only place that God can be found is through subjective internal experience. Then you will know the truth of "The Father and I are One", all the rest is concept and talking about it. To know it, you are it.
There is no need to reinvent the wheel nor is there any lasting benefit from new ways.
Eat healthy, discipline the mind but realize that, the body is temporary the soul permanent.
Chris
Namaste

HORIZONS
19th April 2010, 08:52
I accept that virtually any practice that requires disciplining the mind will lead to a higher state of consciousness including Fruitariaism- breatharisinism but to Enlightenment no. Higher states of consciousness come and go and are therefore not it.
No concept will show you the Truth of what you are.
Every enlightened sage since time began has spoke of the same path to enlightenment and that the only place that God can be found is through subjective internal experience. Then you will know the truth of "The Father and I are One", all the rest is concept and talking about it. To know it, you are it.
There is no need to reinvent the wheel nor is there any lasting benefit from new ways.
Eat healthy, discipline the mind but realize that, the body is temporary the soul permanent.
Chris
Namaste

That is a wise distinction to point out that a higher state of consciousness and enlightenment are not the same thing. I have experienced the ebb and flow of higher states of consciousness but I do not consider that I have ever been an "enlightened one". If I were enlightened then if you see me you would see the Father and that aint so - yet :-) -but if you/me were enlightened you/me would see the Father in everyone and all conflict would be overcome.

annemirri
19th April 2010, 09:48
Question is: HOW did that water get poisoned......??

I don't care how none eco thing, or how expensive,
it is to buy bottled high quality spring water in dangerous plastic bottles,

but I cannot drink tap water, not at least in our house,

it smells like the water in the swimming pools.

Some people can smell it, some cannot, those who cannot smell it are fine drinking it,

and it is the same with food, if you think that it is not good for you,
and you eat it anyway, it makes you feel bad.

-the spiritually highest water is so called drill hole water,
a hole is drilled through the granite rocks to get the pristine water.

(the granite helps to ground higher energies, )

and where you get that water, Finland of course.:wave:

a.

annemirri
19th April 2010, 09:52
f I were enlightened then if you see me you would see the Father and that aint so - y

et :-) -but if you/me were enlightened you/me would see the Father in everyone
and all conflict would be overcome.

What is the Father ? could you elaborate a little ?

a.

HORIZONS
19th April 2010, 10:47
What is the Father ? could you elaborate a little ?

a.

Consciousness! Source! The Infinite Invisible! Pure Perfect Energy! That which emanates all life! The All in all! Creator/Creation etc... That which we Truly are, yet know not :-)

greybeard
19th April 2010, 12:27
Consciousness! Source! The Infinite Invisible! Pure Perfect Energy! That which emanates all life! The All in all! Creator/Creation etc... That which we Truly are, yet know not :-)

Thats my understanding too.
The word God has been so misused and actually confining "That" which cant be confined or defined.
Chris
Namate

annemirri
19th April 2010, 12:37
Consciousness! Source! The Infinite Invisible! Pure Perfect Energy! That which emanates all life! The All in all! Creator/Creation etc... That which we Truly are, yet know not :-)

You see,
as representing in my physical body more motherly, feminine energies,
I do not like the word "father" used as a word for "consciousness" ," source ", "the infinite invisible" , " pure perfect energy",

pure energy contains all that is.

a.

HORIZONS
19th April 2010, 14:06
I was just referencing the ideas expressed in the texts attributed to the teachings of Jesus - no harm intended. I doubt anyone here thinks there is a male God sitting on a chair in heaven. As individuals we can father an idea or a business, or even create the mother of all inventions - it has nothing to do with gender, but a way of verbal expression - but it is how the text is written so I spoke in that terminology, but yet it must be spiritually discerned. I try to look beyond the words as they are but symbols of what IS. ~Peace

ExHaLaTiON
19th April 2010, 14:24
You see,
as representing in my physical body more motherly, feminine energies,
I do not like the word "father" used as a word for "consciousness" ," source ", "the infinite invisible" , " pure perfect energy",

pure energy contains all that is.


a.

What if its none of the above ? Maybe this whole show is being run by a super computer so advanced and evolved that we would fail to understand its existence.

Does your desktop computer or laptop have "consciousness"?


"Many can accept the concept of 'God' or a Supreme Intelligence, but they are adjective when they try to comprehend alien beings."

annemirri
19th April 2010, 22:12
What if its none of the above ? Maybe this whole show is being run by a super computer so advanced and evolved that we would fail to understand its existence.


"Many can accept the concept of 'God' or a Supreme Intelligence, but they are adjective when they try to comprehend alien beings."

Hmmm... years back I had a few times experiences that I still cannot quite understand,
it felt like my own hard drive was totally empty, all memory wiped out.

-

(I woke up from my daily catnap knowing that I was "alive" as I could "see",
but I understood nothing,

who I was, what I was, where I was, what was that I saw, where I was...

Those empty seconds full of despair were long...

finally I understood that I was seeing a space, a room, but where...
I had a body, I was inside a body, I had a mind...

more long long seconds,
and I understood that I was in a human body, but who I was...
my name...my past...

a.

samvado
19th April 2010, 22:26
Hmmm... years back I had a few times experiences that I still cannot quite understand,
it felt like my own hard drive was totally empty, all memory wiped out.

-

(I woke up from my daily catnap knowing that I was "alive" as I could "see",
but I understood nothing,

who I was, what I was, where I was, what was that I saw, where I was...

Those empty seconds full of despair were long...

finally I understood that I was seeing a space, a room, but where...
I had a body, I was inside a body, I had a mind...

more long long seconds,
and I understood that I was in a human body, but who I was...
my name...my past...

a.

That is really nothing special. I have it on a regular basis. it takes about 5-10 seconds in real time but much longer in perceived time. it is sometimes frightening. Especially the part where I dont know who I am (supposed to be - I might add - names and body related items).

annemirri
19th April 2010, 22:43
I made a new post after rethinking.
a.

annemirri
20th April 2010, 06:08
That is really nothing special. I have it on a regular basis.


NO, I do not believe you at all !

I think you are talking or writing about something else,

your experinces seem to be what happen to many people, for example,
when they wake up from anaesthesia not remembering their personal data,
name, sex, address etc.

I would call that experience like skin deep experience,
and like you I have had those experiences as well, as you wrote they last a few long seconds.

But, What I tried to describe is total emptiness, a vacuum.

I did not know that I actually existed, as I wrote by seeing I knew that I was "alive".

And that caused the immense despair,

could I say that it felt like coming from "time and space vacuum"

and the thing in me, shall we call it a lightspark or a soul,
had to stabilize itself to new environment, electricity system,
(or vibration, frequency) in order to find the right channel or frequency to be me here, now.

a.

greybeard
20th April 2010, 08:20
NO,
But, What I tried to describe is total emptiness, a vacuum.

I did not know that I actually existed, as I wrote by seeing I knew that I was "alive".

And that caused the immense despair,

could I say that it felt like coming from "time and space vacuum"

and the thing in me, shall we call it a lightspark or a soul,
had to stabilize itself to new environment, electricity system,
(or vibration, frequency) in order to find the right channel or frequency to be me here, now.

a.
Hi a,
your subjective experience is very valid and some times it is well nigh impossible to give an adequate verbal account of such an event. Who can adequately descripe a "peak" experience of great emotional content?
It cant be measured with a ruler or any linear device. I just is.
Chris.

annemirri
20th April 2010, 08:49
Who can adequately descripe a "peak" experience of great emotional content?

It cant be measured with a ruler or any linear device. I just is..

For that we have artists, poets, musicians,
to transcend the physical illusion until the scientists will catch up.

Interesting how this posting really turned from eating, food, to
higher consciousness.:)

Love,
a.

Wood
20th April 2010, 10:06
I am trying a fruit+cheese+yoghurt diet after reading the OP.

A few weeks ago I started to reject eating meat, not consciously but instinctively. Just a few months ago I used to laugh at vegetarians, I used to think they were fundamentalists in the same way as some religious people.

I have rationalised my new diet as a way to minimise the amount of cells I ingest, either dead cells as in cooked food, or living cells as in raw vegetables. AFAIK fruit has no cells apart from the seeds. Maybe this helps cleaning our aura by not mixing it with others?

Also, my intuition tells me breatharianism is the way to go, but I am not ready yet. Hopefully this new diet helps me. I am clueless about all this, but I try to follow my instinct.

EDIT: I think it is not fair to eat meat when I know I would not be able to kill the animal myself. I think it is even worse ethically to pay others to do so. This is something I was not considering at all just a few months ago.

annemirri
20th April 2010, 13:24
I
Also, my intuition tells me breatharianism is the way to go, but I am not ready yet. Hopefully this new diet helps me. I am clueless about all this, but I try to follow my instinct.

I just watched really SCARRY :eek: ( but somewhat entertaining ) videos on www.terravivos.com
about underground bases as some of the bad things predicted must happen and some of us may move to live underground,

so there is no sunlight, which makes the breatharian way of life quite impossible.




EDIT: I think it is not fair to eat meat when I know I would not be able to kill the animal myself. I think it is even worse ethically to pay others to do so. T

That is what I have said to many people, if you can kill it yourself...

and you are not eating a sausage (if not a soya one) but a piece of pig's ass.

a.

Wood
20th April 2010, 13:35
so there is no sunlight, which makes the breatharian way of life quite impossible.

What my instinct tells me is that we should be able to live from our inner energy, although it is likely we are not able to do that at the moment :) I think we need a change, including physical change to our body.

greybeard
20th April 2010, 14:04
What my instinct tells me is that we should be able to live from our inner energy, although it is likely we are not able to do that at the moment :) I think we need a change, including physical change to our body.

Hi Wood.
There is a saying that what one can do, all can do.
Undoubtedly some do live on pranic energy.
I was at a talk by Eckhart Tolle where he said that we are on the verge of the biggest step forward in the evolution of the human species since we left the sea.
That is big!!!!
It seems that every major step forward comes out of chaos.
I would like to think that we could have light bodies that we could manifest our need.
I have no proof its just a thought.
What is true is that we are an evolutionary species and that only a fraction of our brain is being used at present to say nothing of "junk" DNA.
So what are the unused parts there for?
The main snag with fruitarianism and breatharianism frankly is boredom. We spend so much time buying food, preparing food, cooking food, eating food, sharing food socially. Its a major part of life as we experience it now.
Who knows whats ahead of us!
Why worry
Chris

HORIZONS
20th April 2010, 14:08
We have arrived at the place where it all started - chaos. Now we can begin... :-)

annemirri
20th April 2010, 14:14
What is true is that we are an evolutionary species and that only a fraction of our brain is being used at present to say nothing of "junk" DNA.
So what are the unused parts there for?

Junk DNA is our alien self or parts,
the key to our evolution is which parts will be activated and when,
the sun will play major part in all that in coming years.





.. boredom. We spend so much time buying food, preparing food, cooking food, eating food, sharing food socially. Its a major part of life as we experience it now.


For some it may still be so, as I said I do not enjoy social eating...

the simple the food the better.

a.

greybeard
20th April 2010, 14:50
I must admit I was speaking generally as regard social eating.
I haven't dined out in years, dont see the need.
I love simple cooking, making vegetable broth is my favorite in winter.
My supper last night was three small potatoes bolied, 6 brussel sprouts and a nut burger. I really enjoyed that.
I even enjoy doing the dishes.
Love getting into water, so relaxing.
So simple and effortless.
Love Chris

truthseekerdan
20th April 2010, 15:36
1 Corinthians 10:28-31 (New International Version)


28. But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake[a]— 29. the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience? 30. If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31. So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.

pilotsimone
20th April 2010, 18:46
Fruitman -

I want to thank you so much for the time you invested in bringing us your experiences and providing information on fruitarianism/Breatharianism. I stumbled upon this thread today and it couldn't have come at a better time.

I admittedly don't understand some of the responses you've received. The incessant negativity over anything and EVERYTHING posted on this forum is commonplace though. Maybe they have a job to do. ;)

Your personal Truths are much appreciated, friend. :hug:

Fruitman
21st April 2010, 01:19
No prob. For those it resonates with, it will "click" I think. Then its like "oh ****! all of this is coming together now" For THOSE people, this information is for, not those on a "death wish" who wake up and go on the computer and try to sound smart.

Even after a while as a fruitarian, breatharianism starts to "make sense" which is the dilemma Im at... trying to slowly detox... while working out more physically staying focused on a routine. THATS #1 for me, when it comes to health, not diet at all anymore.

Its really fighting the mind, my best defense is "ok, why would I eat that if my body naturally doesnt WANT cheese or chicken"....then the craving goes...

Most people would rather live life in a comfort zone and hear themselves talk and "one up" each other to see who can sound "more spiritual" than the other. I guess some never get bored with that game...

You wouldnt BELIEVE what the mere mention of fruitarianism can bring out in people (in person) in fact I make it a point not to say a single word unless I feel truly in tune with someone, if they seem to "want to know" and even then its a whisper "oh so I hear this guy Jericho Sunfire..." even though Im working with it myself...I try to stay away from "preaching" see this stuff is truly not about ego or being right, even "fruitarianism" is just a name but it implies something deeper, for those who can read between the lines and WANT to know. THOSE people this thread is for, so Im sure it will resonate and THOSE people can test the theory, maybe train muscles without "protein" or cooked food, then maybe transition to water fasting while still working out because to me thats the real kicker: muscle gain while fasting...qigong or a reason to live beyond money and food... which is why Jericho Sunfire resonates with me personally, because he's not some queen sitting around sipping water "waiting for enlightenment" like a lot of poets in this forum, LOL.

I want to add a tip about detoxing:

Its a very deep process, in fact its what our bodies are always trying to do. Its observable I've noticed, if one lays down and really pays attention to the breath. A lot of negative emotions are present, but its hard to relate it to food, though it is. So a good way to observe it, is laying down, simply watching the body, and seeing a "web" in the body (some would relate this to candida/yeast overgrowth/hives which I think is COMPLETELY related to cooked food/toxins) falling apart, along with those emotions falling apart, as the useless things they are to carry around.

We eat because we've been conditioned to. Truly as Akahi has said, detoxing is letting that false parts of our body fall away, and mentally being at a point to "recondition" ourselves. Truly, the physical exercise/qigong or dancing daily can help, I say, personally. Like for me, its very hard. I really bulked up with the cooked vegan foods and I have yeast overgrowth. Whenever I sweat it hurts a lot in the throat/head/arms. In fact when I get the hives on my arms it gets so red I have goosebumps... So for me, it has to be a slow process. From my research, the yeast are little bugs that eat my food so until Im "unblocked" this problem will go on...

Anyone who plays with garlic might notice so much mucous coming out it feels like theyll have a heart attack... well thats the thing about detoxing, those toxins are attached to emotions and everyone has to let them go when theyre READY to. But anyone who does the research or has a cold will find garlic is a top healer, its just hard to let go of emotions/toxins that we usually "hold onto"... and its uncomfortable! But everyone is on their own journey. There is no "right or wrong" or rush... but for some, its their calling, either theyre sick or looking for something they might not have noticed or this will "put the puzzle together"...so thats why this thread is here.

HORIZONS
21st April 2010, 01:47
So, if I understand your post if I am not a fruiter, or a raw food vegan, or a non-eater then I am on a death wish, and all I do is sit around on my laptop and try to sound smart?? Whats up with that judgment??? Is this a post of "higher consciousness"??? If this is your thing then more power to you, but it is not for everyone, and it has nothing to do with higher consciousness!!! I knew a man that lived on a farm his whole life, and grew most all his own food - including meat. He ate beef three (3) times a day for all his adult life -- he lived well into his 90's in great health. When you can outdo him, then criticize those that eat food. It is not the food that is killing and making people sick - its WHATS IN THE FOOD that is causing us harm. Do you know what is in/on the fruit you eat? Unless you grow it or buy certified organic it will have toxins on and in it. We all must follow our own path to higher consciousness - there is no one way, or right way to do this - there is only the way each must follow.

Check this out: http://www.whatsonmyfood.org/

HORIZONS
21st April 2010, 01:53
Here is another: http://www.panna.org/

stuart
21st April 2010, 02:31
Eat as little as possible eat fresh we live in 2010 not 1910 . lots more uncontrolable face stuffers . responsible action as we move in co creation

annemirri
21st April 2010, 07:44
Then its like "oh ****! all of this is coming together now" For THOSE people, this information is for, not those on a "death wish" who wake up and go on the computer and try to sound smart.



Oh ***** what if we all end up in the very same place, eternity,
where we cannot take our physical bodies with us, as we are only lightsparks ?

not even if we try to scare the death away with our garlic smellling armpits ?

Would you then feel sorry for yourself, as you could have very well enjoyed
an occasional piece of bread or veggie ? or company of other people ?

or you love garlic more ?

With love,
a.

pilotsimone
21st April 2010, 17:40
I knew a man that lived on a farm his whole life, and grew most all his own food - including meat. He ate beef three (3) times a day for all his adult life -- he lived well into his 90's in great health. When you can outdo him, then criticize those that eat food. It is not the food that is killing and making people sick - its WHATS IN THE FOOD that is causing us harm. Do you know what is in/on the fruit you eat? Unless you grow it or buy certified organic it will have toxins on and in it. We all must follow our own path to higher consciousness - there is no one way, or right way to do this - there is only the way each must follow.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Fruitman started this thread to share his truth. He didn't criticize anyone for eating.

You're overreacting. You're reaching. You're fabricating an 'us vs. them' scenario where it doesn't exist. Please, stop!

Because you and others took this all so personally, it's much more likely that others will hesitate and reconsider before starting their own wonderfully informative threads.

Fruitman
21st April 2010, 19:45
Some people just like to argue.

I know my experience. I know this thread will open new doors for some people. I dont want to argue, analyze, talk nonsense, preach or be a poet. Some people just crave arguing and another contradiction to jump on. To me thats a real drain...and a very strange hobby...to overcomplicate things and then talk a bunch of spiritual poetry. This is why I dont hang around most people, honestly. Drains....Sad.

I know food has something to do with consciousness being lowered because of having my ass ripped open at surgery and because of the stuff Ive been going through lately. Im not you, youre not me.

Oh well, for some people this will hit them where it needs to hit. Especially when they toy with garlic and feel the mucous coming out. Fruits are nooo game, you study them, experiment, I think you'll "get it" soon.

And when youre like me, lifting weights, getting strong on food that's 90% WATER, well then Jericho Sunfire doesnt seem so nuts does he? I start to ask myself who wants this fruit, why this constant need. Is it feeding my muscles? No? Then WHAT is it feeding, and can this hunger be filled?

Well if I water fast and my strength keeps going up... I probably wont come back here for a while ;)


or you love garlic more ?

This isnt about "me" :D

Well anyways Im done here, I said what needed to be said and Im pretty sure the further I go with this stuff, the more it feels like Im talking to infinite mirrors so it "doesnt matter" but hey, someone showed me something, I thought I'd share with my own personal touch.

Wood
21st April 2010, 20:12
Thank you for your contribution Fruitman :)

NancyV
21st April 2010, 20:58
Hi Wood.
The main snag with fruitarianism and breatharianism frankly is boredom. We spend so much time buying food, preparing food, cooking food, eating food, sharing food socially. Its a major part of life as we experience it now.
Chris
You have said many good things, Chris, but the statement above was definitely true for me in my quest to become a breatharian. At some point it just got too boring and I didn't see any reason to focus further on food or on NO food.

We first became "health food" proponents, then raw foodists, then fruitarians. It was fairly easy to be a fruitarian since we lived in Hawaii and did not have to work, other than building our house on a couple of acres we had. My goals were to see if diet would aid in reaching a so called enlightened state. Along with that we (my husband and I) meditated for a couple of hours a day. It was truly a wonderful experience but once I began travelling almost daily on other planes/dimensions I became so "light" and sensitive to the physical world that many normal things didn't make sense at all and feeling energy constantly can be somewhat distracting.

We stuck with total fruitarianism for at least 8 months. I even had my two year old son only eating fruit. Finally I came to feel that there was no reason to keep the body so pure and that it was more difficult to live in the world as a fruitarian. Being a breatharian would most likely detach one even further. I had a child to raise and decided that I did not want to make this choice for him. Besides, I didn't really care anymore. Once I was able to travel at will out of body to many different densities, planes and dimensions, there was no need to maintain any kind of special diet for the physical body. I decided that I wanted to live in this world to see why I had come here this time. There were quite a few times when I was out of body that I saw no reason to come back, but if I had not come back I wouldn't have had all the exciting experiences I have had in this life.

I do feel that eating only raw foods or fruitarianism or breatharianism can be a great experiment and good tools to use on your journey. For me they were just a stage in the trip. I see nothing inherently wrong with eating anything anyone chooses to eat and I do not judge others for hunting, growing gardens, whatever. I really don't care what anyone else does. It is their journey and my only interest is that they do what they choose to do and don't bother me too much. They will learn from their experiences no matter what those experiences are.

I would definitely encourage anyone who was interested to try raw foods, fruit, possibly with the thought of working towards breatharianism, IF they feel very motivated to do so. It is difficult if you have to work, live in a cold climate, have family and friends who are not supportive. I had none of those challenges to overcome, only the cravings of the mind were a challenge in the beginning, but the goals were so exciting that temptations were fairly easily overcome. Regular food becomes extremely distasteful on a vibrational level at some point, so temptation disappears. I just don't know how many people would truly want to live out their lives in a paradise like Hawaii, eating nothing and living in bliss. Yes, it sounds awesome, but it IS boring!!

I like excitement, I love to ride the waves of chaos and laugh in the face of adversity. We live in exciting and chaotic times right now and I am here at exactly the right time and in the right place. The battle between negative and positive is increasingly transparent and I am here to fight that battle, and I LOVE IT!!

Nancy :)

pilotsimone
21st April 2010, 21:12
I like excitement, I love to ride the waves of chaos and laugh in the face of adversity. We live in exciting and chaotic times right now and I am here at exactly the right time and in the right place. The battle between negative and positive is increasingly transparent and I am here to fight that battle, and I LOVE IT!!

This made me smile so big. I love your energy, Nancy. :love:

greybeard
21st April 2010, 21:47
Hi Nancy thanks for the kind comments.
Respect to you Fruitman your intention is to be respected.
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It is my understanding that the important thing with any spiritual discipline is intention, that is what brings results, so if the intention to use breatarianism fruitism to evolve spiritually you will, but eventually you will hit a wall -- a ceiling.
The moment you think that you are the doer you limit yourself and can only go so far.
Jesus in all humility surrendered to the will of God.
The moment that devotion to God takes second place to any regime, discipline, then progress spiritual stops
The moment there is the thought Im special because im doing something different, its a sure sign that the ego is in control.
The moment you label yourself as something you have limited yourself.
You are none of the labels yet all of them.
You are in essence the totality all of it.
I read the books on both breatharianism and enlightenment through purifying the body and stuck with the diet for about 6 month and just got bored.
I came more and more to the realization that I am not the body, it is my temporary residence, it deserves to be looked after but it is not what I am.
The body cant be enlightened.
Like Nancy I enjoy life to the full and whatever comes my way comes my way.
Regards to all
chris

Albion
12th February 2011, 23:44
Thanks, Fruitman, for beginning an interesting thread.

Here are some links to additional resources:


Lifestyle Without Food by Joachim Werdin

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47492628/Joachim-Werdin-Lifestyle-Without-Food

http://niejedzenie.info/english/text/lswf.pdf

A Story of a Breatharian Warrior by Jericho Sunfire

http://www.scribd.com/doc/36441761/Jericho-Sunfire-a-Story-of-a-Breatharian-Warrior

Fire Dragon
14th February 2011, 07:57
This has been my favourite thread I have read so far, thankyou Fruitman.. As we all arrive here (avalon) we have come across many different ideas, ideals, theories, opinions on many subjects, many of which we can only have faith in, or wonder if they are real or not. However, when it comes to diet and health, these are all things we can try for ourselve's to see if they are true or not, or if they can benefit us individualy or not.
Myself, I have been trying new things recently regarding diet, and I notice or prove to myself what does and dosent work.
So far I have proved to myself, that taking garlic everyday for the last 2 years, I have only had 1 cold/flu episode which cleared quickly, whereas before, I used to suffer 3 or 4 each year. I also eat much more organic fruit and vegetables, and less meat which I have found gives me more energy and wellbeing, spiritually and physically.
The more i read topics like this, the more i am ready to experiment, dosent do any harm unless you go to the extremes to begin with, so i advocate to try new things and find out for yourself..

On a side note, regarding Ph levels , especially with regards to skin conditions, I started taking baths adding a couple of handfuls of sodium bicarb (baking soda) a few times a week, and my experience has been that any skin blemishes, candida, atheletes foot and even my piles:o have cleared up ,, so my next experiment will be to lower the ph inside my body, see what happens ;)

bluestflame
14th February 2011, 08:04
each food has an essence, each mineral too , that can be drawn upon and infused into a "carrier" like water , salt , herbs , etc.

body knows what it needs , one method of accessing its wisdom is through applied kinesiology

hamsterdance
27th July 2011, 01:30
hey fruitman, i was googling fruitarian diet and obe's to check out other's experiences. I decided to join the forum after reading your post, partly just to thank you for writing it. It felt pretty good to read the stuff you wrote. I'm sure your used to getting little pokes now and again from the universe and your post was a good one. I hope your doing well and I look forward to reading more of your posts on this forum, thanks again!