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cayman

19th January 2011, 06:06

What's really happening China--I: "prep work for Chinese version of Project Blue Beam"

here's a little tail: there's a most important newspaper in China, name"RenMinRiBao"(EN: people daily). in 26/12 2010, Page 3 (Top and Critical news section ), there's a report regard to the "Governments' disclosure movement of official ET files around the world", within that report, it specifically point out the "pine gap" as an Alien base which founded by US and Australia military joint-force. of course, the language or tongue in the Report is something like"it's said" or "the files suggest"..something like that, it's neither deny nor confirm, you catch my drift, but read between the line, for GOD sake! it's in the "People Daily" Top news section! it's something I never seen before!not in the last 30 years.
for those whom are not familiar with China, bear me to explain something about "People Daily", you'll see why it is that important. China is a well-known communist dictatorship nation, well, China's economy may be a socialist-capitalism type, but the regime is still a dictatorship type, covered by some communist form of slogan, what is the most important thing in a dictatorship? --Mind control, or , at least, Mouth control. the communist party in China control the whole country through controlling all the newspapers, all the TV channels,all internet websites,:sick: you can say they manipulate everything you hear, even the way you thinking it. But, there's one and only one paper, it can never be controlled. and that's the "People Daily", why? because the "People Daily" is the voice of the chinese Communist Party, it's under direct instruction from the highest level of the Communist Party. so what ever "People Daily" put on it, all other media in China must follow, very least, you can't disobey the "essence" of what the "People Daily" said :S , this newspaper is the first place you will find the most important decisions and announcements made by the ruling Communist Party, range cross economy, politics, culture...everything important in China. There you go, now you see why it's a shock to me to see some report about "Alien base" appear in Critical news section in the most official and most important newspaper in China.
but here comes the interesting part. this "People Daily" have a website, in its website, there's also an almost the same article compare that printed in the paper, but a little bit longer, the longer part is very interesting, it's a direct quote with Bob Dean's name and what he had said about the "Pine Gap": "one of Bob's friend enter a elevator-like door, seconds later, he appear in "Pine Gap" Australia."
but the G-point of this website article is its last sentence，here is my translation quote: "may be, people can believe, that the Alien attacks is entirely possible". OMG! :woohoo: I can't believe what I seen if I haven't spend the last several months in Project Camelot, I myself consider it as a prep homework of Chinese version of "Project Blue Beam". I can only imagine, when the "Blue Beam" rolls out, the Chinese Government come out and say:" I told you so! " :whistle: ---plausible confirm ability, job well done! :laugh: :blink:

this is the link of the website article: here (http://world.people.com.cn/GB/13567407.html)
the funny thing is this website article published in 23/12/2010, the title of the article which I translated quote:"Aliens may attack human"
the official report in the paper is 26/12/2010,the title change to"Aliens files spark worldwide discussion", see the attachment below, the PDF format of the actual newspaper page3, the report is at the bottom-left corner:
(original source download:http://paper.people.com.cn/rmrb/page/2010-12/26/03/RMRB20101226B003.pdf )

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What's really happening in China--II: Awakening

Actually, I've done some digging concern the "article" I post above--I contacted my friends who works in the "People Daily" to find out the behind story about the "Alien" reports. the conclusion is: YES. it's a deliberated information leak. classic prep tactic, warm you up with sugar bit by bit, then beat you to believe.
Chinese government is no different than the USA government or any so call government in the world. if there is any, it's worst! in China, there's no Inter-net, only Inner-net. you can't access youtube, Facebook, twitter,or any websites the "Government" don't want you to see, they just block that out by so call "Internet-Greatwall", let along newspaper,magazine, TV. therefore, there is no "Alternative Media" in China. the new age type movement in China is something beyond imagine! Any kind of spiritual public discussion is forbidden, officially, silently, they did it.
the Black-out of spiritual movement happening in China in daly basis. It's a great tragedy for Chinese people, it's also a tragedy for the human race. There're more than 1.3 Billion people in this country, a few group of so call elites play/treat so many people like some kind of lab rats. :angry:
I applaud what Kerry had said in "A Note on China" on her blog at Deember 9, 2010, which I quote:"They(the Chinese government) simply want to rule the world like any other power hungry -- service to self organization."
Anyone who "looking at China as a benevolent superpower in the spiritual and practical war for Earth sovereignty and as a replacement for the military 'might makes right' stand of the U.S. government."(quote Kerry's word)---Sorry, my friends, I understand why you would like to think so, but with what I've experienced and see regard to the Ruling Communist Party in China. I would tell you sincerely, that's just a wishful thinking, false hope! you're kidding yourself! you can't count on some regime that treat its own people like lab mice for decades to do some benevolent deeds to balance the world, or even save you from the "New World Order". If the current Chinese regime would do something to the "NWO", it'll be nothing else but accelerate the coming of the "NWO", that's the so call elites do, no matter where they come from, they are the same! They trade/gamble their people like chips. the slight difference is: the chinese regime have more blue chips-1.3 billion people. that should buy them a front seat in "NWO".
so, I think a concept should be clarified here. chinese regime is not equal to China, chinese ruling elites/communist party is not equal to Chinese people. Chinese people, the majority of them, are awakening, not that I say the majority of them are awakening to the spiritual level, but the very least, they realize the Power That Be had played them long enough！the best prove to my point is a recent HOT movie in China "Let the Bullets Fly"(让子弹飞), it hit the highest record in chinese movie market(even more than "Avatar" and "Titanic") its context is simple: people should fight the Power That Be to earn their basic human right. and the movie even offer a complex methods regard to how to fight.
the irony is: the "Power That Be" is the one who pull the trigger, now the Bullet(we,people)has to fly, who knows what/where will the Bullet finally hit? :cool:

cayman

19th January 2011, 06:28

What is really happening in China--III: my research of "China October Surprise"

quote from Camelot forum

At last some one from China who can give us news on whats really going on there.

cayman: there have been a lot of talk about the Chinese Military being engaged by Et's with technology to be on par or even knock US out of the equation, any info on that?

you'd pointed out a very interesting question which I'm still searching for answer.
I believe I first saw it on David Wilcock's website as "China October surprise". I was very surprised when I saw that, my first conclusion was:that's impossible. Because I'm a big fan of weapons and Military stuffs since a little boy, I have some close friends who serve in the Chinese Military, and my daily job have something to do with the Apartment which control the "Import" of highly sensitive technologies and experts from foreign countries. That kind of background make me easily thought that the Chinese Military can't pull it off something like that,it's far from that level, from a "humankind on earth level" point of view,at least. So my second thought on that is: it's a dis-info campaign or "false flag" tactic---I think this is always possible, so I wouldn't rule that out at this point. but this kind of thinking is vague for deeper understanding.
Later on, I decided to dig further--follow the money. for the last 6 years on the official records in Chinese Government, there are two Major Projects going on: OuterSpace project, High-Speed Railroad project. Interesting thing is: the "High-Speed Railroad project" is the highlight of public news in almost daily basis for the last two year; the "OuterSpace project" appear on news media in yearly basis.the impression you got from the news is: Chinese High-technologies are advancing faster than anyone would expected. but once you have a close look at the costs of this two Projects,and compare with the actual achievements they had done---something doesn't add up: the OuterSpace project achieved more than it spend,high-yield; the High-Speed Railroad project achieved much less than it spend,low-yield---isn't that buzzard? and the Chinese Government have an answer for that: "we invent the hard-core technologies of High-speed train all by ourself, and the development process cost a lot!" but the truth is: the High-speed train is a product combine the foreign hard-core techs with local manufacture,the actual cost of one train is 40% less than it is claimed. and the railroads are mainly upgraded from the old-ones,not building brand-new ones. so the real question is: where did the 40% more of money go? and just 3 days ago,out of the blue,the Chief of Chinese OuterSpace project came out and said: we plan to sending probe to Mars in 2013, we are ready to go! :blink: :ohmy: --which we(ordinary Chinese) never heard a clew before,that's not the Chinese government propaganda style.----and now it's all in the public news. and there is also a news which is not in the public domain: someone who is in the top7 list in the Chinese government power-core,his son quited quietly from the Private Equity Fund which he founded(the income of that position is at least 20 millions US dollar per year), and took charge of an investment fund belong to the OuterSpace Project(the income is at most 0.2 million US dollar per year), you do the math.
Conclusion: there's definitely a major shift of investment going on in Chinese Government. and the direction of that shiftment is connected to OuterSpace program,more or less. the OuterSpace teches is the hard-core point of all teches including Military teches. the spur of Chines OuterSpace teches is something worth watching closely.
whether there are some Alien engaging with Chinese Military,I don't know for sure, but I doubt that the Chinese Military achieve that kind of teches in such short time all by itself. At this point, if there indeed some ET helping Chinese Military to knock US out of the equation, I doubt there will be any difference of the outcomes for the entire human race.

ponda

19th January 2011, 06:30

Hi cayman and welcome

Yes very interesting that the project bluebeam type et attack scenario has also manifested itself right into the "People Daily' in China.This et invasion scenario is really getting thrust into the mainstream all over the world at present.It really makes one wonder what might be coming our way and when.Very interesting times.

That is also interesting that you say that many Chinese people are also waking up to what has been going on and how the ptb have been abusing their power.This is very good news to hear.

Yes it is true that the ptb are the same the world over and use similar tactics but in different ways.

Interesting the apparent sudden advancement of the Chinese space program.The Chinese government has a big wallet to play with compared to the US these days.

sunnyrap

19th January 2011, 06:34

cayman

19th January 2011, 06:41

What is really happening in China-IV：Chinese "ROSWELL" Event

great to have you on the boards Cayman, Have a question on the UFO sighitings over airports in china, that were run on Youtube channels
was this News shown for the guy on the street in China?
Did people in China know it was going on? did the Offical Press print anything on this?
thanks
and we all are enjoying your posts here on the forum

yep, this was very well known as "XiaoShan UFO" event happened in July 2010, back then, every major websites in China and some local TV channel, several national newspaper cover that story for some weeks. There were very hot discussion about it, below is some very various good video of the same event. it cause a major airport shutdown, and appear in several big city, like Shanghai, Hangzhou,

video 1 (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTg4ODMxNTEy.html) this one is amazing
video 2 (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjEwODIyMDc2.htmlODMxNTEy.html)
report 1 (http://club.mil.news.sina.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=236019)
report 2 (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2010-07-26/022017861250s.shtml)

back then, this event got so big. Government had to sending out some "official" investigate team. of course, the end result is one word: vague. Just like “Roswell" but I'm sure that inspired more people to think....this kind of UFO sighting things happen in China very often recently, in many different places.
sometimes I can't help to think if we can call it "UFO self-disclosure movement".

ponda

19th January 2011, 06:51

WOW that first video is definitely a must watch and the images from report 1 are interesting as well.

cayman

19th January 2011, 06:54

What is really happening in China--V: "Red Dragon"

...China as you express so eloquently, not only have the intention but all the tools and toys + the money to really be the new Potential world they always want to be.

China is actually not as powerful as one might assume, Chinese regime might get their hands on some tools and toys, but it's too soon to assume they can match the Western Military power; as a society, China have some very serious domestic problems, Chinese regime had lost its credit for the people rapidly in recent year, right now, China is a fragile nation. the money that Westerner assume that China have, now causing a serious inflation in China, because China can't spend most of the money to buy useful Equities in an Anglo-Saxson controlled World, so it turns out, that much of money is not only useless, but later become a poison to the domestic economy. few individuals chinese are super rich, but China is not rich as a country.

Yes, I read about the inflation. Is it true that the Chinese government is regulating the prices of goods and services, so they can't be raised as inflation continues? How do they actually control it? Are there controllers walking in the stores etc? How do they do it?

Yep! all true.
Chinese government are regulating the prices of some essential goods like food, electric,oil,water. they control it mainly by Government oder. there are some inspectors walking in the markets or stores time to time. the reason they can do it because: first of all, Chinese economy is not entirely free market type capitalism, Government own the major asset and major companies in the country, and the Government is under full control of one Communist Party, so basically, private business have to obey the order from the Government, that's what they call socialist-capitalism in China; second of all, before 1978, China is a complete socialism economy, so the Chinese government was an expert of controlling the price, they build many storages around the country to store food, oil....etc. when the market price is too high, they open the storages, let the goods out, therefore they can control the price as they see fit.
but from I actully know, soon, the inflation in China will be out of control, this is not something they can control forever, their ammo is running out!

that's the simple version of answer for the question. later on, I will write some more complicated explanation regard that, because it has everything relate to the upcoming meeting between Obama and Hu(President of China), and that will weigh a great deal in 2011 for the "NWO"

Icecold

19th January 2011, 07:05

Cayman Quote:

just 3 days ago,out of the blue,the Chief of Chinese OuterSpace project came out and said: we plan to sending probe to Mars in 2013, we are ready to go!

Not a new story Cayman....

The Mars probe was announced in June 2009 in the China Daily. Here is the headline "China's first Mars probe set for launch in Oct."

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90781/90876/6674370.html

Not really 'out of the blue' eh? Here is the headline dated a few days ago...."China to launch 1st Mars probe in 2013"

Maybe you missed the earlier story.

cayman

19th January 2011, 07:13

What is really happening in China--VI: Religion in China

About Spiritual Enlightenment

Also how can the Chinese Government not allow Spiritual Enlightenment? most of the Chinese people that I know are really into the spiritual stuff like QiGong, TaiChi, etc..

see what happened to DaLaiLaMa and FaLunGong? Not that I believe or belongs to any kind of religions,but the bottom line is: I should have the basic right to choose whatever I want to believe. QiGong, TaiChi,Fengshui...that's fine. many Chinese consider those as techs for health or practical use. but if someone/somegroup come out and say:follow the techs,we can achieve a higher spiritual enlightenment. those someone/somegroup would end up in jail or fled out off China.

Catholic Community in China

... and what about the Catholics Cayman? I noticed how the catholic community increased not only out of China but in China. The Vatican is extending its tentacles over there smoothly but surely, right? in my personal opinion and sure many others think the same way... Religion is what dominates the soul of the people.

This is a very important topic.

I actually had several serious discussions with my friends about that after I saw the "Project Camelot interview with Luca Scantamburlo"

one of my college roommates is registered catholic, he is a very goodman. he hold a Doctor degree, he is smart. but he had a very hard time to find a good job in China. Because if you want to have a good job in China(by "good job", I mean not only good and stable income, but respectful position in Chinese society point of view, i.e Government paid job), most of that "good job" required you must be a member of Communist Party of China, or very least, you're not belong to any kind of religion. Hence, as a registered catholic, my roommate had very little choice. He is the one who told me Chinese Communist Party(CCP) has set of delicate ways of controlling the Chinese Catholic community, a clear one: the bishop is appointed by CCP instead of Vatican. ---CCP and Vatican fight for 60 more years. that's not news.
Another friend who work at a high level of Government Censor system once told me about their policy for catholic community:"as long as we control the CEO of their community and everything else their body need, the Government don't really care what god do they believe in. The Vatican never win a single battle in China since 1949..." base on what I learn from him, the CCP treat the Vatican as a serious threat, they put a lot of resource to encounter that---that may suggest the Vatican also do the same.

Despite all that, Yes, Catholic community is increasing in China today. I'm not sure whether it's because The Vatican or the Awakening wave inside the people. never the less, the war between dominative soul and free soul is scorching in China, that's for sure

gripreaper

19th January 2011, 07:19

Are you in the US currently?

fifi

19th January 2011, 07:20

Thanks very much, cayman, for your post. I'm looking forward to your analysis or insight of the meeting between Obama and Hu(President of China). Coming from a communist country, I really understand what you talk about - the one-party government that controls everything. You are very brave. If I still lived in my communist country, I would not dare to post like you. Take care, and many blessings.

cayman

19th January 2011, 07:20

Are you in the US currently?

No, I'm right there in Beijing, China

cayman

19th January 2011, 07:28

What is really happening in China--VII: The "Vatican" in China

You didn't answer my question. What about the Vatican in China? ...I have this strong impression that this lets say "Organization" has some Gigantic power behind this pretentious NWO... or to be more precise. They have something to do with TPTW. If we have to find the 33 families or people or organization who called themselves "the controllers"... they are in my list (The Vatican) and I would like to know what about them in China?...

I just wondering and hoping that this NWO will not happen and care that we will not be reunited like one world under Controllers that just keep caring about making the most of it only for themselves and keep using people like human resources... an so far that is what we are. Doesn't matter if you work in a sophisticated office in Manhattan or Beijing.. They use us, to perpetrate their crimes. and if we can do something we should do something to stop this nonsense. Don't you think so?

But, if as you said... China is having a quick changes in their Techs. and "looks like" but we don't know for sure, they are receiving help from out of this world... Then, we should start thinking again about what is really going on with the earth!
......

Sorry, I missed you point. if my understanding is correct, the essence of you question is basically like this: let's say "A"= The Power That be in China + new Alien power(if there are any)
"B"= NWO power(the Vatican or 33 families)+old Alien power
the big questions in our head is like :
will A rising up as an opponent to B? or will A be compromised to the B?

but the question you ask is: what is B doing with A in China now? I heard what are you saying：if we can find out some answer piece by piece from the world , then may be we can get a more clear picture.

if that's a correct understanding. then my respond is: it's the core subject and responsibility for someone who live in China, I'm trying hard to find out more. right now, I don't really have more for that.

cayman

19th January 2011, 07:42

Looked up the movie cayman is talking about: "Let the Bullets Fly"...found it on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1533117/

I like the star Yun-Fat Chow (Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon) and the movie got really great reviews

Yep, the movie has so many unsay-words hidden between the lines--that's a real shout out moment for majority of Chinese people. It get so many great reviews, soon, it will hit the record at least 700 Billion Yuan, double more than anticipated.

xm15e2

19th January 2011, 07:47

Its great to have you here Cayman.I have enjoyed your posts very much, and your voice is appreciated here

cayman

19th January 2011, 07:48

Thanks very much, cayman, for your post. I'm looking forward to your analysis or insight of the meeting between Obama and Hu(President of China). .

sure, I do have more on that subject. I'm collecting informations this days. quick flash: there are definitely some unusual major exchange going on between US and CN Governments.

cayman

19th January 2011, 07:53

WOW that first video is definitely a must watch and the images from report 1 are interesting as well.

Many of that were shooted with Cellphones. the "Video 1" is something more than a common UFOs

cayman

19th January 2011, 08:08

Not a new story Cayman....

The Mars probe was announced in June 2009 in the China Daily. Here is the headline "China's first Mars probe set for launch in Oct."

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90781/90876/6674370.html

Not really 'out of the blue' eh? Here is the headline dated a few days ago...."China to launch 1st Mars probe in 2013"

Maybe you missed the earlier story.

Thank you for your correction! now I dig more and find out, the similar story came out way back 2007. link:http://it.sohu.com/20070522/n250148301.shtml . at that story they plan to lauch it in 2009. but the story is somekind of self-talking type, no offical confirm. didn't spread wide and not so official as the scale as the recent annoucement.

I said "out of the blue" may be a bit overstament. but try to understand, the Chinese government propaganda system is the reason why I feel "sudden". I explained something about that propaganda system in my second post regard the "People Daily". now,I try to explain more: all of the Chinese medias are controlled in very few people, and by "few", I mean no more than 5 persons. they decide what is you need to know. and the things they decide you can know are channeled through "People Daily" and "CCTV"(government control central Televison channels), then other media include major websites following the story. So, if something come out all over the country, then you know it's an annoucement or decission from the power that be, and that kind of public annoucements or decissions must be and will be accomplished on time whether the actual result is true of false. bottom line is: they seldom annouce or report something they can't do--especially something that they consider relate to the Pride of the Communist Party. and the trick is: they always did it before the schedule, that make them look good!--on another hands, even they can't deliver, they will tell the people: we did it! 120% success! further, the deeper trick is :they'd done it several times even before they say there will be a plan--it assure the odds that make the Party looks great! the Communist Party is very much enjoying in this kind of stuff.
----follow that logic, you can expect the official reports that China will launch the probe before 2013, rumors say they will do it this year. my dare guess is: they'd already sent the probe(or something like that) to Mars, the annoucement of the Chief of Chinese OuterSpace program is some kind of official cover story in order to make a require for more money from the official balancesheet. It's a gesture from the hidden force in the Power that be to the official Government---Yes, I say it. there are many levels of the Power That Be hidden away from the Chinese public domain, the majority of Chinese people don't know anything about it. and I have first hand experience to say that.

Therefore, I welcome anyone in the forum who come from China to discuss or even argue with me. as a matter of fact, I urge that!
After all, one mouth of a story is always thin

cayman

19th January 2011, 09:16

You are very brave. If I still lived in my communist country, I would not dare to post like you. Take care, and many blessings.

Yes, the risk is always out there. But it's time do something, I heard what Bill said: jump off the cliff. Just do it

sheddie

19th January 2011, 10:57

thank you cayman, very interesting to hear first hand from someone inside China, I look forward to hearing more.....................stay safe x

John Parslow

19th January 2011, 11:44

Hello cayman

Wishing you a very warm welcome to Avalon and thank you for joining us here ...

Many thanks for the videos/reports - all pretty amazing stuff I am certain that your posts will be very much appreciated.

Best regards to you. JP :cool:

Hummingbird

19th January 2011, 18:19

I second everyone's Gratefulness for you joining Avalon and for your vigorous Investigation, Quite impressive coming from some one living in an oppressive society. When most in free society's fall under the dumbed down state fed threw media etc.

I am so glad to hear about the movie you posted and the awareness it is uplifting, it would be a magnificent event when the people of china and other oppressed countries stand up and say " no more" ( the whole world for that matter). One of the biggest problems= Countries or regimes that allow no free speech and treat there people like "lab rats" and allow there people to be worked for wages that just barely keep you alive, and counties like U.S etc. who behind the scene's support this so they can outsource jobs to these place to obtain massive profits.
Not just china but Thailand, India, Vietnam and many others sale out there people's hard work ethic for there own gain. In my opinion a huge problem that must be fixed

P.S it is very hard to find goods, especially clothes that are not part of this oppressive cycle.. still looking

kersley

19th January 2011, 21:06

A very interesting post indeed Cayman.
Question ? You say to don't get Youtube, Facebook etc... But video no 1 you posted is Chinese version of Youtube? I'm just woindering what you meant..

Kersley

Rocky_Shorz

19th January 2011, 21:33

cayman

19th January 2011, 21:48

A very interesting post indeed Cayman.
Question ? You say to don't get Youtube, Facebook etc... But video no 1 you posted is Chinese version of Youtube? I'm just woindering what you meant..

Kersley

the video1 website is not a Chinese version of Youtube, it's youku.com, may be the first and biggest online video website in China, it just issued its IPO in NASDAQ few months ago, so you can check it in WSJ.com and see it have nothing to with the Youtube, but I understand why you had that thought: It's a shame to say that many Chinese companies even some major ones, they enjoy in copy or combining some words or even sound style from those famous western companies, it's a handy and cheap way to make them sounded westernize and international:eek:----your original thinking is just prove that works---Can you imagine those type of companies are the leading force in China? and one day these Chinese companies under second-hand name will conquer their western rivals?:p----It's just really hard to imagine...... Anyone who can look beyond the stock price and way through the "Balance sheet", take a close look at what they actually do to make money, they would think the "red dragon threat" is a such big joke:bowl:

jasonzwsa

19th January 2011, 21:55

Removal of posts

cayman

19th January 2011, 22:15

as a quick answer: I would say many people in China include those who work in Censorship System would think the stuffs we are talking about are just too far out to worth taking care of-------I gave it a lot of thought and here is something concrete to prove it: http://www3.clustrmaps.com/zh/counter/maps.php?url=http://projectavalon.net

you see what I mean?---only 7553 out of 1.3 billion people, what a tiny portion!
they might not even notice-----that assumption is my luckiness right now, but it's also my great sadness----only 7553 out of 1.3 billion------that's a long way to go, and the clock is ticking

bennycog

19th January 2011, 23:11

cayman your a legend mate.. very glad to be reading your posts..
it is a wonder they have not stopped access to this forum from china, as you seem to be unable to access most alernative media that we can..
why is that do you think?

did not realise my question was already asked lol.. keep up the good work cayman.
we want to be informed in all corners of the globe.. hell the universe..

kersley

19th January 2011, 23:28

Thanks for making it clear. Now i understand... Everything i own is made in China. It won't be long before my soul belongs to a Chinese billionaire. ;)

pugwash84

20th January 2011, 00:03

Icecold

20th January 2011, 07:03

Can you tell us a little about your life in China, so we can get some feel of the environment?

Maybe you can give us some insights into life in Beijing? What's the buzz among the local people as opposed to news articles. You mentioned that there was a lot of 'waking up' by the general public. Can you give some examples?

Thanks Cayman.

Kindling

20th January 2011, 07:20

So very interesting Cayman! Thanks so much for sharing :-)

58andfixed

20th January 2011, 07:59

What is really happening in China--V: "Red Dragon"

China is a fragile nation.

the money that Westerner assume that China have, now causing a serious inflation in China, because China can't spend most of the money to buy useful Equities in an Anglo-Saxson controlled World, so it turns out, that much of money is not only useless, but later become a poison to the domestic economy.

few individuals chinese are super rich, but China is not rich as a country.

Thanks for news from inside the 'Great Inner-Wall/Net' of China Cayman.

I was under an impression that the US Dollar 'paper' was being accumulated to buy raw resources in a currency that most nations perceive as 'The Currency of Choice,' -- that is, for now.

I got this from a 'Bond Blogger' that works as a EASL teacher. You may know whom I speak of, given your very savvy info.

- 58

silentghost80

20th January 2011, 08:48

great stuff thank you

cayman

20th January 2011, 18:47

hi Caymen...

Hong Kong was controlled by PTB bankers for many years and as long as "world Banks" exist, they control societies through media...

do you see the same influence in other parts of the country?

Intelligent question.

Little flash: a Chinese PE(Private Equity) fund name: HouPu Fund. In 2009, when the market is low, Major Banks(5 of them, all state own by Chinese government, or Power that be would be accurate) had get into deep troubles with their stock in the international markets. Back then, this unfamous company alone, bought them out! this was in the public domain. but few people know that this company is actually funded by the infamous "Goldman Sachs"(need I say more?), and who is the chairman of the PE company? he is the Wall-street so call "Rainmaker" in China----Why? here comes the nuclear-bomb: he is a dear friend of the actual finance policy maker, one person, who is not the president of Chinese government, nor the prime minister, but he is the aristocrat of China, the real power-core of China. They push the whole Western finance system into China, through the stock market, the shareholding company structure, the social security system, the insurance system, the real estate policy----all kind of big lies cause major domestic problems in China today, Chinese people are suffering. You get the pictures?

Rocky_Shorz

20th January 2011, 18:52

Thank you for confirming...

cayman

20th January 2011, 19:07

Just lately they have been putting adverts on American television about China and what China has to offer. I saw Barack Obama on the news earlier showing one of them.
http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2011/01/19/%E2%80%98experience-china%E2%80%99-advertisement-debuts-in-nycs-times-square.html
I googled the "Experience China" and found the video he showed. I think something bigger is going on with this I just don't know what.

That's just for show, the meeting between Obama and Hu JinTao is the climax of the show, but the real deals have been done already,don't you think?. Can you imagine the scene when these two puppets meet together? One say: my life is bitter than you. other one retort: No! my life is much bitter! At the end, both of them would say: the acting business is getting tougher and tougher this day! :p

I'm trying to dig more about the real deals they'd done. Later on, I will lay out more details as much as I can

cayman

20th January 2011, 20:18

Can you tell us a little about your life in China, so we can get some feel of the environment?

Maybe you can give us some insights into life in Beijing? ...

Actually, the life in here is no significant difference to the life in any other western countries---except for much smaller house with fairly higher payment, and nobody can speak freely. I or we have to work very hard to pay bills and mortgages. If you have an average income, you should buy your house(I mean condo) in 50 years without eating or any spending---and that's just assume the house price won't go up any further, but you know, the realestate in China goes one way----UP!----at least 20% percent per year(it is up 50% last year alone in Beijing);and now the Government shove the peasants around the country into the cities(which are already out of full capacity) under the name of "modernization"---just like what happened in England 400 more years ago; also, thanks to the "Fiat Monetary system", the government is pumping money into the economy, the inflation go higher and higher every year, people are forced to buy something solid like realestate, as a matter of fact, nowadays in major cities I.E. Beijing, without relationship, you can't buy a condo even if you have enough money, the housing business is seething! average 70%(official number is 40%) people in China don't own a house themselves, and less than 5% people own more than 80% of the houses in China---- So you see, an unprecedented bubble is emerging. When it burst, there will be blood on the street.

cayman

20th January 2011, 22:02

What's the buzz among the local people as opposed to news articles. You mentioned that there was a lot of 'waking up' by the general public. Can you give some examples?

oppose? that's a funny word to use. People may think of a lot of thing in their head, they might only talk things to their closest friends, "quietly", very few people would come out and oppose anything---when they do, they will be harmonized(that is Chinese version of "sack", popular used in China today) but you see---where there is tyranny, there will be revolt. tyranny give birth
to "Awakening": the seething housing bubble I talk above, driven by profit, local government just love to build new house and new building, they have to tear down those old houses(most of that were no more than 10 years old) , then people lost their houses with little compensation(so little, it won't buy you a new house), worst, the old houses were torn down against the owners' wills without any compensation. and if you refuse, they will order the police to force you out, and flat your house right from your eyes---those tragedies happen every day right now all over the country. people are furious, and the Central government make empty promise every year: we'll control the housing bubble, we'll control the inflation----of course, they never will, last year,2010, the prime minister said: we definitely control the housing bubble in this year, but you know what, it went up almost 30%(best performance in the last 10 years). In fact, "housing bubble" is the hottest topic in China and the best portal to learn what's really happening in China.
you see, people are forced to wake up, they see enough lies and empty promises,cover ups. and when they wake up, they seek way out. After so many years under Communist regime, they learnt enough about the politics, the power that be, the "revolutions"---In less than 100 years, Chinese people had experienced from feudalism, capitalism, socialism, to socialist-capitalism. they might be the most qualify people on the planet to Awakening----and that gives me hope!

Arrowwind

20th January 2011, 22:13

I see that my post maybe was too controversial and had to be removed? It would be nice when a post is deleted that the author be notified.

cayman

20th January 2011, 22:28

I see that my post maybe was too controversial and had to be removed? It would be nice when a post is deleted that the author be notified.

Hi, Arrowwind. Nice to see you again! you mean your post in my first thread? Actually the thread was merged into another thread which I wasn´t told, later on I was told by webmaster that thread was removed by accident. Right back at you:¨It would be nice when a post is deleted that the author be notified.¨
Anyhow, I would love to answer your question about DaLai Lama or Falungong-----if my memory is correct

Arpheus

21st January 2011, 00:52

Cayman,i would like to give you my most warm welcome and thank you immensely for bringing some serious quality material back onto the avalon table,this is the type of thread that i could read on and on and on because in my view its extremely sensitive and important for the future of mankind,i agree with you when you mentioned that the people of china are most likely the strongest candidates for awakening due to their living conditions that are imposed unto them in a slavery manner,i despite that with all my heart,and if most of the chinese population would awaken from their slumber right now that would be enough people to change our planet in drastic ways in my opinion and i mean that.
I give much more value to this thread than any of the Charles threads combined ,what you speak of are real issues real things that are going on in China right now and in my opinion everything that happens in China will in some way shape or form affect the rest of the world one way or another.Cayman we have at least one more chinese here on the forums her name is Yuhui i believe,but she isnt very active ,and as far as i know she is the only other chinese in here that also lives in China.
Once again i am delighted to read this thread and i will be checking in from time to time to see its progress.
This is important stuff in my opinion very important indeed!

fifi

21st January 2011, 01:06

Hi Cayman,

These lines really remind me of the time l lived in my communist country. I totally understand how it was.

oppose? that's a funny word to use. People may think of a lot of thing in their head, they might only talk things to their closest friends, "quietly", very few people would come out and oppose anything---when they do, they will be harmonized
for us then, it would be a one-way trip to the concentration camp.

where there is tyranny, there will be revolt. tyranny give birth to "Awakening"
In that tightly controlled society, so far all revolts were suppressed, bloodily and quietly, as no media knew about them. So for people who can't live under such regime, the only way out is to escape, a dangerous escape that might be paid with their own lives.

they might be the most qualify people on the planet to Awakening----and that gives me hope!
I sincerely hope so, too.

Jacob

21st January 2011, 04:50

Cayman, I admire your courage in speaking the way you do.
I am curious how you are able to connect to the internet, and if you are being monitored.
Good luck to you.

58andfixed

21st January 2011, 07:02

people are forced to buy something solid like realestate,

as a matter of fact, nowadays in major cities I.E. Beijing, without relationship, you can't buy a condo even if you have enough money, the housing business is seething! average 70%(official number is 40%) people in China don't own a house themselves, and less than 5% people own more than 80% of the houses in China---- So you see, an unprecedented bubble is emerging.

What is the conversation on the street about other "things" that hold value with inflation, such as precious metals ?

Privilege may grant access to more wealth with less effort, however the "laws" of economics usually "pops" bubbles sooner or later.

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truthseekerdan

21st January 2011, 16:27

Cayman, thank you for this thread and your courage -- very insightful. :thumb:

Found this video on utoobe... I know you may not be able to see it however, I will embed it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSQozWP-rM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSQozWP-rM

The new TV commercial by the Citizens Against Government Waste starts with a scene from the future. The year is 2030 and we are set in a university auditorium in Beijing, China. Called “Chinese Professor”, the ad shows a professor lecturing a class on world economic history. The premise is simple, great nations and empires all throughout history fell due to the same reason. They taxed and over-spent themselves into obscurity.

“Why do great nations fall?” the Chinese Professor asks. “The Ancient Greeks, the Roman Empire, the British Empire and the United States of America. They all make the same mistakes, turning their backs on the principles that made them great. America tried to spend and tax itself out of a great recession. Enormous so-called “stimulus” spending, massive changes to health care, government takeovers of private industries and crushing debt. Of course, we owned most of their debt (chuckle), so now they work for us!” This is followed by the whole class laughing.

Sound far-fetched? In less than two years, President Obama has spent our way an extra $3 Trillion dollars into deeper debt, with much more to come. It took George W. Bush 8 years to spend our way an extra $4.4 Trillion dollars. America’s debt is exploding as is the size of the government and the endless bailouts.

Today in the news, we have a call for another $363 Billion just to bailout Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I’m sure they’ll need even more since they are still sitting on over $1.5 Trillion in subprime home mortgages. China announced that they will beginning buying addition American debt, probably to forestall any pressure to revalue their Yuan which is killing our Dollar.

Overseas in Europe, the two big stories this week are the protests in France over increasing the retirement age from 60 to 62. Violence and nationwide strikes are crippling France. Across ‘The Channel’ in England, David Cameron’s government has announced it’s plans for austerity, laying off 500,000 government employees and shutting down some 140 ministries and other agencies.

Bill Clinton declared in 1997 that the “Era of Big Government was over.” Unfortunately, it wasn’t. The government continues to grow is size. Our policies, laws and public programs are so expensive that they are crippling our economy, possibly permanently. Our spending levels are unsustainable and our taxes are suppressing any new growth.

So kudos to Citizens of Government Waste for their new TV ad. While it may be shocking, there is really nothing about this ad that is outside the realm of possibilities. Frankly, I do not think it will take till 2030 for China to own America. I’d guess 2015, if they don’t own us now already!

Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/365/655/Chinese_Professor_Its_Over_Now-_MUST_WATCH.html

cayman

21st January 2011, 17:39

......and if most of the chinese population would awaken from their slumber right now that would be enough people to change our planet in drastic ways in my opinion and i mean that.
...... in my opinion everything that happens in China will in some way shape or form affect the rest of the world one way or another.......

Right on! that's exactly why I think there is still a good chance! It gives me hope and strength. Awakening in mass of Chinese population is important, but let's be realistic----it is very difficult, there's no easy way to,even for those PTB; on another hand, let people outside China know what's happening there is also important----When we pull little pieces of puzzle together to a more clear picture, there will be chemical reactions,chain reactions, brain waves are contagious---that's why I do what I'm doing, and I hope to see more and more Chinese to do that

jackovesk

21st January 2011, 18:27

Arpheus

21st January 2011, 18:31

Your courage and spirit are golden inspiration Cayman,keep going my friend there is a long road ahead of us all .

cayman

21st January 2011, 20:25

In that tightly controlled society, so far all revolts were suppressed, bloodily and quietly, as no media knew about them. So for people who can't live under such regime, the only way out is to escape, a dangerous escape that might be paid with their own lives.

Escape. two way: first, physically out of the country----Migration ;second, mentally out of the harsh reality---Monachism.

Migration to developed countries, booming business in China, of course, only for first-class wealthy people. Conservatively, I would say at least 80% of the wealthy families(around 2 millions in total) in China have already change their nationality and ready to flee away anytime: usually they send their childrens to foreign schools at first, then one of the parents leave with the excuse of taking care of their childrens--and that's usually an one-way trip,the other one leave behind and keep making money,when things go wrong, they just fly out, family reunion---Migration mission completed! And there are countless wealthy(higher than middle-class but lower than the first class) but "know enough" type of people are trying to do the same thing. this kind of thing happen more and more often in the past 2 years,the business is too good, as a result, US, Canda,Australia have to raise the thresholdfor the "Investment Immigrant" from China rapidly and more frequently compare to the last 20 years-----If someone write a book name "How to flee China" and get published, that book must hit the best seller in China for years.
some might wonder: why this wealthy people want to leave their own beloved country? ----'cause in a dictatorship country like China, very few people can make their way to the "First-Class" without doing some high-class crimes and corruptions,and they know the reality better than anyone else:the people are furious, the regime is tottering,it's just a matter of time---Confucius had a good saying:One should not stand under the walls of crisis. So, it's just a logical choice. oh, BTW, those first-class Investment Immigrants' migration route is always like this--first stop:Canada, destination: USA :yo: :panda:

Monachism was a tradition in China in the old days. By "monachism", I mean Buddhism and Taoism, mostly Buddhism. Usually two kind of people chose that road: most enlightening ones who search for the way to get the hell out of the earth and the poorest ones who just want a full stomach to live. It's a tradition last for thousands of years until 1949, since the Peoples Republic of China regime was established, this tradition almost disappeared especially between 1959 to 1989. Suddenly, in 1989, specifically after "Tiananmen square" incident, there was a booming growth of registerd buddhists' number, that trend last for 2 years. But from 1993 to 2003, the growth curve is fairly smooth. Then,from 2003, the number is rapidly increasing. In 1997, the official religion report(and the only one) from Chinese government claimed there were over 100 millions religious population in total in China,over 70 millions buddhists within the number( Mussulman 18 millions; Catholic 4 millions;Protestant 10 millions--source:http://www.china.com.cn/ch-book/zongjiao/zongjiao.htm )
But right now, it's estimated that the buddhists in China is between 200 millions to 300 millions, almost 20% of the total Chinese population!
the growth curve pictures and major data source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_6025ebd50100dquh.html (here) (note: the curve pictures in the source link is regard to the registerd buddhists, therefore the number is very small,but you catch the drift )
I experience this amazing awakening around me all this years, one of my college friend became lay Buddhist when he was still in college--that's very rare among Chinese college students, at least back then. One months ago, out of the blue, another college friend told me that he is into buddhism now and plan to become a lay Buddhist---that's a shock! 'cause his job is inside the censorship system of the central government, if his colleagues know about that, he will lose everything! and now, he is a lay Buddhist.

a hot story last year:
An undergraduate(math genius) of Beijing University(one of the best University in China), gave up his MIT(Massachusetts Institute of Technology) Offer to become a monk, link http://news.xinhuanet.com/2010-09/07/c_12525181.htm

when we are on a razor-edge, some just running crazy for their lives, some are doing nothing but bitching their bad luck, some are trying to grab gold and jewelry, some are playing music or dancing, some are busy helping others, some are praying for a miracle, some are just thankful and ready for another trip......----What a picture! someone should paint that picture out, one day, when we look at that it, a faint smile is the answer

fifi

21st January 2011, 23:50

Escape. two way: first, physically out of the country----Migration ;second, mentally out of the harsh reality---Monachism.

Very accurate account of reality in a dictatorship/communist country. So glad to have you here, Cayman. There is a third way though, very dangerous, for the middle class. Escape by boat, or by land, and get accepted into a developed country as a political refugee. Of course the journey is very dangerous. Or another way, get married to a foreigner, so one can leave the country. But that case is not many, and not without risk, either. The escapee can be taken advantage of, like being sold into prostitution. But the point is, most people in a dictatorship country know what a "police-state" means. And now it seems that the so-called "free" country like USA is slowly turned into this kind of state. No where to run, hey?

NoTingles

22nd January 2011, 01:08

Fifi, you nailed it.

I was born in the USA, and for most of my life I swallowed the line that we have the best country in the world. Maybe it's not perfect, but by far the best. However, it becomes obvious to me these two things: First, the police state has been in force for my whole life, and second, we condemned anyone who would dare to warn us that the criminals we elected to government (Local and Federal) are dismantling the most highly evolved Republic in the history of mankind, that has been thousands of years in the making. It makes me sad when I realize that by our own refusal to see the truth, and inattention to the ways they have changed this country through treasonous "laws", we have in effect allowed it to slip through our fingers, and in some ways, demanded that it happen. The awakening must consist in realizing that it can and is happening. Until we admit it, changing it is impossible, and the NWO will have its way with us. The awakening thus must also consist in learning about who we are: I think that when that realization occurs, there is no way anyone will put up with being treated the way we have been so far.

cayman

22nd January 2011, 01:14

I am curious how you are able to connect to the internet, and if you are being monitored.

I don't konw if I'm being monitored now. But I'm sure sooner or later they will notice or focus.
If I don't speak or do anything when I have a chance, or draw back in the middle because of fear, that is to say: they win it all and cost nothing!---Nah! it never be an option.
But I'm not impulsive or naive, I know they have all the tools and toys can easily pinch anyone they want. So I'm doing everything I can to avoid that. It is a good game! Enjoy it.
A quote from Wingmakers materials---"The dark side of predation,... sparks resourcefulness and innovation in its intended prey." It's too soon to tell who is the prey for now

cayman

22nd January 2011, 02:19

What is the conversation on the street about other "things" that hold value with inflation, such as precious metals ?

Gold price and consumption is surging in China. Estimated SalesVolume of gold will surpass India and become No.1 in 2011. now many people buy gold in kilos, the largest gold bricks for sale is 50kg（http://www.njdushi.com/news/nj/1123/201012589.html），and this kind of huge gold brick(worth more than 2.5 millions US-dollar/unit) is demand exceeds supply

A little ingredient--Garlic's price climb up at least 300% in 2010. so even the poor and uneducated population know that No money safe in the Banks nowadays. you can expect the Gold price will also bubble in China

Privilege may grant access to more wealth with less effort, however the "laws" of economics usually "pops" bubbles sooner or later.

- 58

Yep, the laws never fail. the so call "Socialist-Capitalism" is something essentially like Privilege-Capitalism, this P-C is the best way in the history of producing the super-rich and the mass poor . Inflation is the last enemy of the poor---either die or fight

NoTingles

22nd January 2011, 02:37

I will never be one to minimize or deny the outrageously criminal acts that have been perpetrated against other countries, and against the citizens of the United States as well, by a Rogue Banking/Military/Industrial regime that is totally out of control, and operating above the law that has been laid down by them for the rest of us to obey. But in 1949, a movement in China, funded and encouraged by world PTB, which includes some American citizens, was to grow into a behemoth beyond historical telling. This movement has grown to what we see today, and the Chinese people are subjected to on a daily basis. This movement in China spawned a regime of evil that makes all others in the world pale by comparison.

I posted several articles for Avalonians to read (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11507-China-Making-Moves&p=100558#post100558) and to take aboard the threat this regime poses to the whole world. To the Avalonian who had a good laugh at me when I likened what has developed in China to the armies of Mordor, I will say this: There is nothing more dangerous to people of any country than bloody fools who think it makes them look well-informed when they gibber and laugh at those who sound the warning. You should be ashamed of yourself. And this will be all I say to you. Post whatever you like after this, but you might as well dash your head against the wall for all the good it will do.

Ten Things to Know About China as Hu Jintao Visits the United States
Thu 20 Jan 2011 09:12
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/368/525/Ten_Things_to_Know_About_China_as_Hu_Jintao_Visits_the_United_States.html
17 Jan 2011

faluninfo.net/article/1113/?cid=84#9

NEW YORK—On the eve of Chinese leader Hu Jintao’s arrival in the United States for a state visit, the Falun Dafa Information Center urges the media, human rights groups, the American public, and especially, U.S. officials meeting with the delegation, to keep the following ten facts about China at the forefront of their minds.

1. The Chinese Communist Party is engaged in a widespread, systematic campaign against tens of millions of innocent people.
2. The Chinese Communist Party’s campaign involves a deliberate top-down strategy to use extraordinary levels of violence.
3. Falun Gong practitioners are the largest group of prisoners of conscience in the world, numbering in the hundreds of thousands at any given time.
4. Every three days, a new case of a Falun Gong practitioner dying from abuse in police custody is reported.
5. The victims of these atrocities are people from every walk of life in Chinese society.
6. Falun Gong practitioners are not the only victims; all Chinese people are affected.
7. The Communist Party has gone to great efforts to cover up and deflect attention from these crimes.
8. A large-scale, grassroots Samizdat-like effort is informing Chinese people about persecution occurring in their neighborhoods, towns and cities.
9. International public pressure does protect people in China.
10. Communist Party officials have sought to expand the persecution of Falun Gong beyond China, including to the United States.

[see below for further details related to the points above.]
[basic information about Falun Gong here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong]

“We hope those reading this list will seriously consider its implications. We urge them to take the steps that, in accordance with their own judgment and conscience, will most effectively mitigate the ongoing atrocities committed against Falun Gong practitioners in China,” said Falun Dafa Information Center spokesperson, Erping Zhang.

“This is not only for the sake of the practitioners and their families, but also for those forced to perpetrate these horrors. Moreover, it is imperative we do not sit idly by in the face of what Congressional members have referred to as ‘one of the most unjust and cruel persecutions of our times.’” (Congressional letter)

1. The Chinese Communist Party is engaged in a widespread, systematic campaign against tens of millions of innocent people. Since 1999, over 70 million Falun Gong practitioners in China have been at constant risk of detention, torture, and death because of their religious identity. Today, the lawlessness and brutality of the Party’s treatment of citizens who practiced Falun Gong remains staggering. In its effort to make every Falun Gong practitioner in China renounce his or her faith, the Communist Party is making full use of the panoply of resources at its disposal: judicial, extralegal, media, and perhaps most importantly, economic. A three-year reinvigorated forced conversion campaign launched in 2010 alone is costing billions of dollars (news).

2. The Chinese Communist Party’s campaign involves a deliberate top-down strategy to use extraordinary levels of violence. Large-scale abductions, detention in concentration camps, extreme torture, rape, psychiatric abuse, and extrajudicial killings are routine. In addition to eyewitness accounts by victims themselves, a wealth of third-party, independent documentation—and even Chinese official admissions—convey this reality (summary of U.N., Amnesty and other third-party reports). Yet, police officers, prison camp guards, and others who injure, maim, or even kill a Falun Gong practitioner face no prospects of punishment. On the contrary, monetary and other incentives are used to encourage violence against practitioners in order to meet “transformation” quotas. Trainings are conducted across labor camps and brainwashing centers on the most effective ways to “break” Falun Gong practitioners. Meanwhile, lawyers who seek to represent practitioners face harassment, disbarment, torture, and “disappearance.”

3. Falun Gong practitioners are the largest group of prisoners of conscience in the world, numbering in the hundreds of thousands at any given time. A 2009 study published by the group Chinese Human Rights Defenders found that, “Falun Gong practitioners make up one of the largest groups of detainees in [labor] camps.” Researcher Ethan Gutmann estimates, based on dozens of interviews with former detainees, that Falun Gong practitioners comprise 15 to 20 percent of those held in labor camps, prison camps, and long-term detention facilities. Drawing on credible reports of the overall population in these camps being between three and five million, Gutmann estimates that 450,000 to one million Falun Gong adherents are in detention at any given time. By comparison, Reporters without Borders cites 30 journalists and 77 “netizens” imprisoned in China. The highest estimates for Tibetans and Uyghurs held in custody do not rise above 10,000.

4. Every three days, a new case of a Falun Gong practitioner dying from abuse in police custody is reported. In total, since 1999, over 3,400 cases have been documented of Falun Gong practitioners who have died as a result of various forms of persecution. Though already reflecting large-scale abuses, these documented cases are only the tip of the iceberg, given the difficulty passing information on Falun Gong out of China. Moreover, these figures do not include cases of Falun Gong practitioners killed so that their organs could be used for transplants. Since 2006, a range of credible evidence and investigations have pointed to the existence, and likely continuation, of such forcible organ removal, but its full scale remains unknown. In either case, none of those killed committed any “crime” or engaged in any violent act. Rather, they sought only to peacefully pursue the spiritual path of their choice. (report)

5. The victims of these atrocities are people from every walk of life in Chinese society. A 25-year-old kindergarden teacher sexually abused in a Hebei labor camp (news); a former member of the National People’s Congress and model worker killed within five weeks of being abducted from her home in Hunan (news); an elderly couple in Inner Mongolia imprisoned, the husband denied adequate medical treatment (Amnesty International Urgent Action); a retired steelworker photographed with an emaciated chest and bloated stomach after being released from a prison camp (news); a high school student harassed by police after writing on an overseas website about how Falun Gong dramatically enabled him to recover from a life-threatening disease (news)

6. Falun Gong practitioners are not the only victims; all Chinese people are affected. The suppression of Falun Gong has been directed by the Communist Party and its security forces, but it has been executed with the help and acquiescence of hundreds of millions of Chinese citizens. Police officers who entered their profession in order to protect the people have been forced to imprison elderly women for meditating in parks. Labor camp guards are threatened with the loss of jobs if they don’t partake in the torture of Falun Gong detainees. All Chinese citizens have been told by their country’s leaders to hate Falun Gong, to feel contempt for its teachings of truth, compassion, and tolerance, and to stay silent when faced with injustice. The Communist Party’s rewarding of torture and betrayal while punishing integrity and kindness has contributed to a broader degradation of the moral fabric of Chinese society noted by many observers, one that manifests in problems like rampant corruption, domestic violence, tainted food, plagiarism in academia, and environmental pollution.

7. The Communist Party has gone to great efforts to cover up and deflect attention from these crimes. Central to the campaign has been a massive propaganda offensive, both domestically and internationally, to demonize Falun Gong and spread misinformation about the discipline, its founder, and those who practice it. Meanwhile, censorship of Chinese media, harassment of foreign correspondents, and punishment of their informants, have rendered media reporting on Falun Gong almost non-existent. The threat or implementation of visa restrictions to academics, human rights groups, or other researchers who would seek to investigate the abuses taking place limit another avenue of potential exposure. The results have been devastating, and the human cost very real. (Misunderstanding Falun Gong and the Human Cost of Getting It Wrong)

8. A large-scale, grassroots Samizdat-like effort is informing Chinese people about persecution occurring in their neighborhoods, towns and cities. At great risk to themselves, millions of adherents inside China engage in daily grassroots actions to resist the persecution of their faith, raise awareness of the brutality suffered by practitioners, and awaken the kindness in the hearts of their fellow citizens lest they participate in such violence. A vast network of underground print shops—reported to number 200,000—continues to function. At these sites, many of which are located in someone’s home and consist of a computer and printer, practitioners access overseas Falun Gong or other websites to download information for producing leaflets and video CDs about the practice and the rights abuses suffered by practitioners. In a micro-level “name and shame” tactic, practitioners also disseminate details about perpetrators of torture within their local communities. Such efforts increasingly yield tangible results. Embarrassed over the exposure of their crimes, in recent years, some perpetrators have ceased mistreating practitioners or do so with significantly reduced zeal. Villagers have protested to the local authorities to release detained practitioners. Remarkably, 13,153 non-practitioners published statements on the overseas Minghui website in 2009, expressing their remorse for past participation in anti-Falun Gong activities and voicing gratitude towards Falun Gong adherents and founder Mr. Li Hongzhi for their kindness, courage, and patience in awakening the goodness in the hearts of the Chinese people (Falun Gong's Peaceful Resistance)

9. International public pressure does protect people in China. The personal testimonies of former prisoners who have been the subject of international appeals repeatedly indicate that such efforts can improve people’s conditions, protect them from torture, and sometimes lead to early release. Bu Dongwei, a former Amnesty International prisoner of conscience, attributes less torture during his second detention when compared to his first one to the fact that people around the world were writing letters to the labor camp on his behalf (Amnesty International video featuring Bu Dongwei). Perhaps the strongest indication of the potency of public censure of human rights abuses in China is the lengths Chinese leaders will go to push for alternative avenues for discussing violations, including via private dialogues. When addressing crimes on the scale of the persecution against Falun Gong, the need to effectively curb such atrocities dwarfs any concern over “offending” the perpetrators.

10. Communist Party officials have sought to expand the persecution of Falun Gong beyond China, including to the United States. Over the past ten years, scores of physical assaults, verbal attacks and death threats against Falun Gong practitioners by Chinese government-linked individuals have been recorded in the United States, Europe, Latin America, Africa and elsewhere. Chinese businesses and prominent figures in overseas communities routinely come under direct or indirect pressure from the CCP to take action against Falun Gong practitioners. In October 2003, the U.S. Congress passed House Concurrent Resolution 304 expressing concern over Communist Party harassment of Falun Gong practitioners and their supporters on U.S. soil. (news) More recently, in August 2010, the U.S. Department of Justice condemned and punished a New York restaurant that had discriminated against patrons wearing Falun Gong-related shirts, refusing to serve them.

NoTingles

22nd January 2011, 03:30

"Yep, the laws never fail. the so call "Socialist-Capitalism" is something essentially like Privilege-Capitalism, this P-C is the best way in the history of producing the super-rich and the mass poor . Inflation is the last enemy of the poor---either die or fight"

This post has been put here to back up what Cayman was saying previously about how China banksters are manipulating the currency in order to appear to the rest of the world as financial strength, but that same ruse is causing inflation born by the Chinese population of which the majority are working poor.

I found this information here: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/369/897/China_Currency_Manipulation_Equals_China_Inflation.html

This will be my last post, I promise; I don't want to steal thunder, but I fear I may already have done so. For that I should apologize.

China Currency Manipulation Equals China Inflation
Fri 21 Jan 2011 02:10

Schemes and scams unravel, usually badly. China has been manipulating its currency, causing economic imbalances on a scale the world has rarely if ever before seen. The consequences are causing inflation problems inside China. One way or another this is going to adjust and China has to find a way to keep it from exploding.

Chinese people are feeling the inflation. This segment yesterday on Marketplace, for example,[http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/01/20/web-going-home--chinese-new-year/]

Wang's 39. He assembles furniture at a warehouse for $500 a month. Half of that goes to rent for a bed in a crowded room; the other half to his family. But lately, he's set more aside to cover the rising cost of food. Rapid inflation makes him wonder what how he can go on.

Yesterday on the PBS Newshour, a segment Amid Hu's U.S. Visit, How Do China's Youth View Rest of World?, talking with Chinese students,
[http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/jan-june11/chinayouth_01-20.html]
"When others see China, they see, oh, 8 percent per year, but when the Chinese see itself, they see unemployment, they see inflation, they see the rising costs of households."

Paul Krigman today, in China Goes to Nixon, lays it out,
[http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&hp]
In fact, Chinese currency policy is a lose-lose proposition, simultaneously depressing employment here and producing an overheated, inflation-prone economy in China itself.

One way to think about what’s happening is that inflation is the market’s way of undoing currency manipulation. China has been using a weak currency to keep its wages and prices low in dollar terms; market forces have responded by pushing those wages and prices up, eroding that artificial competitive advantage. Some estimates I’ve heard suggest that at current rates of inflation, Chinese undervaluation could be gone in two or three years — not soon enough, but sooner than many expected.

China’s leaders are, however, trying to prevent this outcome, not just to protect exporters’ interest, but because inflation is even more unpopular in China than it is elsewhere. One big reason is that China already in effect exploits its citizens through financial repression (other kinds, too, but that’s not relevant here). Interest rates on bank deposits are limited to just 2.75 percent, which is below the official inflation rate — and it’s widely believed that China’s true inflation rate is substantially higher than its government admits.

Rapidly rising prices, even if matched by wage increases, will make this exploitation much worse. It’s no wonder that the Chinese public is angry about inflation, and that China’s leaders want to stop it.

China's currency scheme is unraveling and China's government is trying to manage the internal pressures. But for who? Interests in China that have become wealthy use their increased wealth and power to influence policy to keep the good stuff flowing their way by keeping restrictions on imports. American multinationals use their wealth and power to push for lower wages.

Our government is supposed to be a countervailing power that speaks for We, the People and American workers. So our government should be pushing for China to stop restricting imports, stop manipulating currency and open up freedoms for Chinese workers to bargain for higher wages. The way to do this is to ask Chine nicely (done this, decades...), send them sternly worded letters (done this, no effect), demand changes (done this, no effect) and finally impose sanctions that restrict the imports into our markets until we have a level playing field.

sjkted

22nd January 2011, 07:55

Hi Cayman,

I appreciate your posts. It's great to hear from an insider in China as there are many walls between us.

One thing I find interesting about China is that it is acting more and more like a superpower, but China has never been a colonizer, like Britain or the US. What do you think China's end game will be? And, do you think that China is sovereign -- meaning in control of itself and not subordinate to some Western or other global superpower?

--sjkted

onawah

22nd January 2011, 09:05

Hi Cayman, Welcome to Project Avalon and thanks for posting interesting information that is difficult to find elsewhere.
Would you please translate what the Chinese news anchor is saying here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMP_qcVo4zw&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMP_qcVo4zw&feature=player_embedded

and give us your impressions regarding this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11795-Chinese-National-TV-reporting-impending-UFO-ET-disclosure-by-Obama-government-Contin&p=103313#post103313

Thanks and best wishes.

cayman

22nd January 2011, 13:39

......

So kudos to Citizens of Government Waste for their new TV ad. While it may be shocking, there is really nothing about this ad that is outside the realm of possibilities. Frankly, I do not think it will take till 2030 for China to own America. I’d guess 2015, if they don’t own us now already!

Source: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/365/655/Chinese_Professor_Its_Over_Now-_MUST_WATCH.html

This a seditious ad I might say. But I understand the lines lay between, and I get your points. I glad you point that out. This will lead us into a deeper hole of what is really going on between China and USA.
For starter, I invite you to read two post in case you haven't read them:
so-call wealthy China
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=100619&viewfull=1#post100619

International-Bankers in China
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China&p=101925&viewfull=1#post101925

So, you see, Chinese population are suffering too. Many Chinese people think that: Chinese government spend all of their saving to buy a bunch of useless US bonds and certificates(which will fall one day soon) and trade for nothing, worse, this currency preserve cause the huge inflation waves in China, ordinary Chinese population suffer big time. and the government's propaganda make people believe that: It is the US government press on the Chinese government to buy this bonds and stuff, and they have to do it in order to maintain the economy growth. So the Chinese government is basically saying to its people: if you want to blame, blame on USA, they spend too much and produce little. I have to admit, majority of Chinese population buying into that logic. Once again, they succeed in turning the peoples into blaming each other, fearing each other, the regimes/PTB get win-win situation----that's how they get control of all of us, a classic International-Banker tactic. If we falling into the nation concept, and the nature resource is always limited, there will be and always have been only one-way trip to go--War. That is the Old Paradigm. Divide and Conquer. This trick also being applied to other countries.

we need a new way out

cayman

22nd January 2011, 14:11

[I]......
Rapidly rising prices, even if matched by wage increases, will make this exploitation much worse. It’s no wonder that the Chinese public is angry about inflation, and that China’s leaders want to stop it.

China's currency scheme is unraveling and China's government is trying to manage the internal pressures. But for who? Interests in China that have become wealthy use their increased wealth and power to influence policy to keep the good stuff flowing their way by keeping restrictions on imports......

Vivid and substantial points! :rolleyes: I appreciate it. Thank you

As you had presented: Chinese public want it, "China’s leaders" want it (as least they say so), but those "Interests in China" doesn't want it!---this route back a hard-core question: who the hell is really in charge of China? who is the Chairman on the board of China Inc.? It's a question many Chinese(include me) are still searching for an answer. But one thing for sure, it's not the president of People's Republic of China, it's not the Prime Minister

Gone001

22nd January 2011, 15:13

Chinese National TV Reports President Obama to Disclose Extraterrestrial Contact!
Alfred Lambremont Webre's picture
Submitted by Alfred Lambremo... on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 19:15

by Alfred Lambremont Webre

Chinese National Television Xinhua news is now reporting an impending extraterrestrial disclosure by the Obama administration.

The unprecedented national China TV news bulletin that U.S. President Barack Obama may be preparing to disclose U.S. relations with specific extraterrestrial races was broadcast on the official channel Xinhua on January 4, 2011 on the eve of China President Hu Jintao's state visit to the United States.

President Hu is presently visiting a Chinese language facility in Chicago, IL as of this writing on January 21, 2011.

View China National TV reporting impending ET disclosure by Obama administration

Examiner.com readers can view the China TV news broadcast above in this article on by clicking in the URL below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMP_qcVo4zw&feature=player_embedded#!

ET Disclosure Race?

The Xinhua China TV broadcast on the official news channel stating that President Barack Obama may be preparing an official U.S. disclosure of the extraterrestrial presence by one perspective may be fueled by an “Extraterrestrial disclosure race” now developing between China, the U.S., and other major space powers as to which nation will be the first nation will use the authority of its Head of State and secret ET files to authoritatively declare there is an extraterrestrial presence on Earth.

The first nation to authoritatively announce the Extraterrestrial presence stands to gain world prestige and trust in the eyes of the increasingly extraterrestrially-sophisticated more than 6.89 billion persons populating the Earth at this time.

One journalist, Michael Cohen, notes that “Prime time TV news broadcasts announcing the upcoming US UFO admission…. have been beamed to the living rooms of hundreds of millions of intrigued Chinese citizens.

“Commentators and analysts now believe a new cold war over alien and UFO secrets is underway between the two superpowers.

“The historic decision [by Xinhua by Chinese national Television agency] to broadcast this news is seen as stemming from fears that the US might steal China's glory and admit an alien presence on Earth before Beijing does.

“In fact, neither side particularly wants to admit to the public that they are in contact with aliens, however at the same time, they do not want the other side to do so first. In other words, if there is UFO admission both nations want it to be their moment of glory.

“The recent news broadcasts are probably a way for progressive elements within the Communist party to nudge the notoriously cautious President Hu Jintao by bringing to his attention the possibility that America might steal his moment and come clean.

“In an era where both superpowers possess enormous nuclear arsenals it is essential that the race to UFO disclosure does not heat up into fully blown conflict, or else alien observers themselves might be forced to intervene.”

CONTINUES AT

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/chinese-national-tv-repor...

Any thoughts Cayman?

Cheers,

Aldous

cayman

22nd January 2011, 15:32

......in 1949, a movement in China, funded and encouraged by world PTB, which includes some American citizens, was to grow into a behemoth beyond historical telling. This movement has grown to what we see today, and the Chinese people are subjected to on a daily basis. This movement in China spawned a regime of evil that makes all others in the world pale by comparison.
......

An intriguing theory. My opinion of that is related to the questions below

......
One thing I find interesting about China is that it is acting more and more like a superpower, but China has never been a colonizer, like Britain or the US. What do you think China's end game will be? And, do you think that China is sovereign -- meaning in control of itself and not subordinate to some Western or other global superpower?

For the sake of reasoning to our question , we have to dig much deeper to have a microscope view of the Chinese regime itself.
Most of outsider or Majority of Chinese population would think the Chinese regime as an whole unification of interests. Actually, that's never the case. Just like there're Illuminates, Freemasons, MJ12, various interests groups play with each others behind the scene in the USA. Chinese regime is the same, but it is much harder to identify. Because of that, it's no easy way to tell "what the Chinese regime is up to?"

As far as I could tell,in the past 10 year, various contradict incidents happened in the regime, even for those high level insiders that I know of are confusing.

Given the completely controlled Media conditions, there are literally nothing concrete to confirm or deny our suspicions. In a sense, I need you guys who are outside China to offer as many materials as you can(no matter how insane that might be), together, we might get a more clear pictures---that's the primary reason why I am here, not only reporting, but also more importantly---learning

But for the sake of our conversation, at this point, my conscious tendency is: China is sovereign, the Chinese regime is sovereign mainly speaking although there are forces(on earth level) try to infiltrate, the competition is seething among different forces within the regime,all of them are trying to use outside forces(on earth,above earth,under earth or whatever) to leverage themselves. the End-game scenarios are: A compliant China under the NWO(seems most likely) ; a new Chinese empire rising up against NWO(that would be complicated); No China, no nations, we are united as one new world(that require miracles)

so, we should work together and try to find out more. the recent meeting between Presidents of China and US, I believe there are major clews for our future, so now , I'm focus on that. you'll know anything I find.

cayman

22nd January 2011, 18:08

......

Question 1: What do you know about the the massive increase in Chinese Defense spending and the Chinese Military build up in the Southern Hemisphere?

Actually, I don't know anything about that, but I'll try to find out more---if it's true, that will not be a good sign

Question 2: Regarding the 'People Daily' article on Australia's Pine Gap being an Alien Base? Can you give us a little more insight on what else was said about Pine Gap? ......

Everything I know about the Pine Gap is from the Camelot interview with Bob dean

Question 3: I would be interested to know your thoughts on one of the latest Australian blockbuster movies called "Tomorrow When The War Began" which depicts a Chinese invasion of Australia.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1456941/

...... I would be interested in your thoughts as to whether or not a Chinese Invasion of Australia is a possibilty?......

Since I cant' access IMDB website from China, I can just put out my original thoughts on that: Given the abilities of Chinese Military that I know of, China Invasion of Australia is remotely possible.

If you can offer me some reference about "the Chinese Military build up in the Southern Hemisphere", that will be appreciated. :o

cayman

22nd January 2011, 19:14

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Would you please translate what the Chinese news anchor is saying......and give us your impressions regarding this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11795-Chinese-National-TV-reporting-impending-UFO-ET-disclosure-by-Obama-government-Contin&p=103313#post103313

Actually, I noticed this "News" 2 weeks ago, It's the same kind of shocking as my post on the People Daily report about "Aliens".
the original source is here: http://news.xinhuanet.com/video/2011-01/04/c_12944686.htm

The main content of what the TV news anchor say in Chinese is :" UFO八卦网站AllNewsWeb宣称，美国国防部“先进研究计划总署”（DARPA）已经承认，总统欧巴马将在一项演说中脱稿间接承认，外星人可能试图联络地球人，而且各国政府在3年内会直接承认，地球人和外星人已有接触。"

Translation: "An UFO gossip website name AllNewsWeb claim: US Defense Advanced Research Program Apartment(DARPA) had admitted: there will be a speech, in which,without script, President Obama will confess that: ETs might try to contact human, within 3 years, governments of earth will admit that human had contact with ETs."

you see, how many "probable" words they used? and the TV channel is a local TV channel, Xinhua news just quoted that as an entertainment style report. the appearance of the content itself is worthless and boring.
but background of the context is important: XinHua news is the most important official Info&Intelligence Agency under direct controlled by the Top of CCP. It doesn't own a newspaper or TV channel per say,the website is its only public channel, but everything reported in/out China is under and through its control, so, you see, it never say something meaningless or far out.
And one more thing to add: its reports about Aliens or dooms day debate stuff are increasing rapidly in the last 6 months. So you can bet on more things will come from it.

My thought is: Xinhua news Agency informations leak tactic: borrow others' mouth and others' words to say what they really want to prepare you, that create a plausible confirm and deny abilities, when things finally come out, either way, they win----two birds with one stone. that's the way they usually do.

onawah

22nd January 2011, 19:28

Thanks Cayman. Very interesting!

cayman

22nd January 2011, 19:30

Chinese National TV Reports President Obama to Disclose Extraterrestrial Contact!
Alfred Lambremont Webre's picture
Submitted by Alfred Lambremo... on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 19:15

by Alfred Lambremont Webre
............

...........

“In fact, neither side particularly wants to admit to the public that they are in contact with aliens, however at the same time, they do not want the other side to do so first. In other words, if there is UFO admission both nations want it to be their moment of glory.

“The recent news broadcasts are probably a way for progressive elements within the Communist party to nudge the notoriously cautious President Hu Jintao by bringing to his attention the possibility that America might steal his moment and come clean.

“In an era where both superpowers possess enormous nuclear arsenals it is essential that the race to UFO disclosure does not heat up into fully blown conflict, or else alien observers themselves might be forced to intervene.”

......

Mr. Alfred is right on!

Koyaanisqatsi

22nd January 2011, 19:56

That 1st video is awesome! Does appear to be a high altitude missile though but what a spectacle to behold nonetheless!

jackovesk

23rd January 2011, 03:56

Actually, I don't know anything about that, but I'll try to find out more---if it's true, that will not be a good sign

Everything I know about the Pine Gap is from the Camelot interview with Bob dean

Since I cant' access IMDB website from China, I can just put out my original thoughts on that: Given the abilities of Chinese Military that I know of, China Invasion of Australia is remotely possible.

If you can offer me some reference about "the Chinese Military build up in the Southern Hemisphere", that will be appreciated. :o

Thanks for your Reply Cayman,

Here is some interesting information for you to ponder. Keep up the Good Work...

China hiding military build-up: WikiLeak's cable shows Australian intelligence concerns

"AUSTRALIA'S intelligence agencies believe China is hiding the extent of a massive military build-up that goes beyond national defence and threatens regional stability, the latest WikiLeaks cables show.

A strategic assessment by the agencies found that China's military spending for 2006 was $90 billion - double the $45 billion budget publicly announced by Beijing, Fairfax newspapers reported."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/china-hiding-military-build-up-wikileaks-cable-shows-australian-intelligence-concerns/story-fn3dxity-1225983341586

Fears over China military buildup

"AUSTRALIA'S intelligence agencies believe China is hiding a massive military build-up.
A strategic assessment by the agencies found that China's military spending for 2006 was $90 billion - double the $45 billion budget publicly announced by Beijing.

"China's longer-term agenda is to develop `comprehensive national power', including a strong military, that is in keeping with its view of itself as a great power," a copy of the secret assessment provided by Foreign Affairs officials to the US embassy in Canberra said.

"We agree that the trend of China's military modernisation is beyond the scope of what would be required for a conflict over Taiwan.

"Arguably China already poses a credible threat to modern militaries operating in the region and will present an even more formidable challenge as its modernisation continues."

The 2006 Australian intelligence assessment was contained in a US embassy cable obtained by WikiLeaks.

The assessment also warned that factors including China's rising nationalism and difficulties with Japan meant that "miscalculations and minor events could quickly escalate".

In the attached Poll "Should Australia fear China's military", 76% anserwed Yes to this question:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/fears-over-china-military-buildup/story-e6frea8c-1225983427134

Tomorrow, When the War Began Full Length Trailer HQ!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_KhErNyiq8

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=427460800368&id=3d4e48639a55c392fc116447112ddd21http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=427036642056&id=0b421219708ddb752e6751f4b9680a4a

Regarding Pine Gap here is some more information you might find interesting...

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=502454885926&id=483ee2eef5766887aaeb6f4ffc9d843chttp://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=416015713641&id=534c203f838fd290a9697bfee82877c6http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=400792422546&id=3c1c909fad576c686d019dba63a19d83

Navy Diver involved in murder of Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt in 1967, as Holt was opposed to bases such as Pine Gap on Australian soil...

http://www.harold-holt.net/

Pine Gap is linked by a 1400 mile long tunnel to North West Cape (Submarine Station) and Submarines refuel at Pine Gap. The facility has up to 9 underground levels...

http://www.uforq.asn.au/casefiles/pinegap.html

Underground Bases and Tunnels by Richard Sauder says some sources even contend that Pine Gap is simultaneously operational in the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions. A man who once communicated with Rich Hansen, told him he leaves for Mars military service from a time portal in Australia (Pine Gap).

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_pinegap08.htm

HAARP and the Mystery of Pine Gap, Australia...

http://stream.adamdodson.org/items/view/3176

RedeZra

23rd January 2011, 05:36

Fears over China military buildup

"AUSTRALIA'S intelligence agencies believe China is hiding a massive military build-up.
A strategic assessment by the agencies found that China's military spending for 2006 was $90 billion - double the $45 billion budget publicly announced by Beijing.

That would make China the 2nd biggest military spender just measly $600 billions behind USA

the world's top 5 largest military budgets in 2009

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/e28cfcc56891df08bf32a556eb9d6d90.png

USA spends as much on it's military as the rest of the world combined !

cayman

23rd January 2011, 16:32

.......
Navy Diver involved in murder of Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt in 1967, as Holt was opposed to bases such as Pine Gap on Australian soil...

http://www.harold-holt.net/

Pine Gap is linked by a 1400 mile long tunnel to North West Cape (Submarine Station) and Submarines refuel at Pine Gap. The facility has up to 9 underground levels...

http://www.uforq.asn.au/casefiles/pinegap.html

Underground Bases and Tunnels by Richard Sauder says some sources even contend that Pine Gap is simultaneously operational in the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions. A man who once communicated with Rich Hansen, told him he leaves for Mars military service from a time portal in Australia (Pine Gap).

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_pinegap08.htm

HAARP and the Mystery of Pine Gap, Australia...

http://stream.adamdodson.org/items/view/3176

Thanks for the input. very interesting stuff:cool:

Justano

24th January 2011, 05:56

Cayman thanks for all the information from inside. I am a student studying chinese now and all your reports tell information im not going to get in a textbook or hear from my Laoshi. Best wishes!

Damnos

24th January 2011, 07:15

I believe I first saw it on David Wilcock's website as "China October surprise".
Cayman, you start talking about this post and then speak about other things. I was wondering how many people have actually seen David Wilcock's post on 'China's October Suprise' and perhaps you could share any insight into this? I think this particular topic bears some more attention than I have seen, people have mentioned it in passing and I wonder why nothing more has been said here at Avalon? (unless I have missed it by virtue of it being buried in amongst the many other posts that have been flying in the last short time)
More questions, the sooner we get closer, the sooner we head off disaster, and create the 'Eucatastrophy'.

Thank you Cayman for your insight, you have obviously gone to great lengths on your research.

Love and Kindness
D

bluestflame

24th January 2011, 07:24

I used to live in and just outside of Alice Springs ...just as you come into alice there's mass arrays of antenae and they have a csiro quarantine station also just on the edge of town , further out they have a quarantine station

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not to mention the prison just down the road from "the gap"

bluestflame

24th January 2011, 07:27

Cayman : can you configure your browser to reroute through a proxy server ?

modwiz

24th January 2011, 07:45

That would make China the 2nd biggest military spender just measly $600 billions behind USA

the world's top 5 largest military budgets in 2009

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/e28cfcc56891df08bf32a556eb9d6d90.png

USA spends as much on it's military as the rest of the world combined !

Thank you for that perspective redezra. China has over 3 times the population of the USA and has a mind to protect its' assets. The anglo based news reports have the shadow of hysteria in the way they present their distorted news. CHINA DOUBLES ITS MILITARY BUDGET!!!!. As your graph so clearly demonstrates. So what! the USA is going rogue, can you blame a country with the resources China has from making sure they stay out of Americas cross hairs? I'm not portraying the Chinese government or military as cuddly or benevolent, but relatively benign might not be to much a stretch of the imagination.
Now of course if the banksters get their way, and I hope they are coming their end, they will push for aggression. The banksters have created all modern wars and their greed knows no limits. We can only hope this greed will be their undoing as they expose themselves by overreach. The internet and mass awakening are creating a light that has the capacity to disturb these cockroaches and make them fear for their safety. The world must rid itself of the infection of the international bankers.
Thank you Cayman for making us aware that we anglo countries are not the only ones infested with this filth. You make it clear that you are suffering under an even heavier burden because of your more developed police state. I feel honored to be able to communicate with you at Avalon. This blessed isle.

Modwiz

cayman

24th January 2011, 14:03

Cayman, you start talking about this post and then speak about other things. I was wondering how many people have actually seen David Wilcock's post on 'China's October Suprise' ......

Love and Kindness
D

Thank you for your reminder. the original source is in David Wilcock's website
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/896-chinasurprisequarantine

cayman

24th January 2011, 14:16

Cayman : can you configure your browser to reroute through a proxy server ?

proxy server is the best way to reroute, but I have a hard time to find a stable proxy server. the Chinese "Great firewall" seems have some A.I capability, it can adapt to block the way used to work best. Now, I'm using various computers with different OS and various methods to get pass at the same time. If you or anyone else know some good proxy servers, please kind enough to enlighten me, thank you

jackovesk

24th January 2011, 14:18

Hi, Charles, very much appreciate for your input here. I enjoy your style :cool:
I'm from China, so my questions is:
1) Have you ever engaged with Chinese personally?
2) Have you ever been to China?
3) Are you doing anything relate to China nowadays? or Will you?
4) Is Chinese population a big concern to all the 33 point of view
5) Is China(or Chinese regime) the solo force independent from the 33? or China is part of the parallel force which confront the 33?
6) What is your personal view of China? what is you master think of China?
7) I know you are super busy right now, whenever you are available, I would like to invite you to see my reports from China, I know my knowledge is very limited, so if you can make some comments on it, that should shatter the stones in my pocket. my post is http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11513-Anyone-interested-in-what-s-happening-in-China

Thank you very much for you candor and diligence!

Charles/Atticus reply to your post;

Could you pm me please,thank you.

Important

Have you had a chance to correspond with Charles/Atticus yet?

cayman

24th January 2011, 14:18

I used to live in and just outside of Alice Springs .......

So you used to be a neighbor with Aliens, cool! :cool:

cayman

24th January 2011, 14:22

Charles/Atticus reply to your post;

Have you had a chance to correspond with Charles/Atticus yet?

Not yet. Now I am on the tiptoe of expectation

vericocha

24th January 2011, 14:22

Do you have any updates Cayman?

jackovesk

24th January 2011, 14:31

Another thing you might be able to enlighten us on Cayman...

Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/mambots/content/multithumb/thumbs/350.0.1.0.16777215.0.stories.large.2011.01.22.lang_lang_whitehouse.jpg

Matthew Robertson
Epoch Times
Jan 23, 2011

Lang Lang the pianist says he chose it. Chairman Hu Jintao recognized it as soon as he heard it. Patriotic Chinese Internet users were delighted as soon as they saw the videos online. Early morning TV viewers in China knew it would be played an hour or two beforehand. At the White House State dinner on Jan. 19, about six minutes into his set, Lang Lang began tapping out a famous anti-American propaganda melody from the Korean War: the theme song to the movie “Battle on Shangganling Mountain.”

The film depicts a group of “People’s Volunteer Army” soldiers who are first hemmed in at Shanganling (or Triangle Hill) and then, when reinforcements arrive, take up their rifles and counterattack the U.S. military “jackals.”

The movie and the tune are widely known among Chinese, and the song has been a leading piece of anti-American propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) for decades. CCP propaganda has always referred to the Korean War as the “movement to resist America and help [North] Korea.” The message of the propaganda is that the United States is an enemy—in fighting in the Korean War the United States’ real goal was said to be to invade and conquer China. The victory at Triangle Hill was promoted as a victory over imperialists.

The song Lang Lang played describes how beautiful China is and then near the end has this verse, “When friends are here, there is fine wine /But if the jackal comes /What greets it is the hunting rifle.” The “jackal” in the song is the United States.

The name of the song is “My Motherland,” originally titled “Big River.” In an interview broadcast on Phoenix TV, the first thing Lang Lang is quoted as saying is that he chose the piece.

He then said, “I thought to play ‘My Motherland’ because I think playing the tune at the White House banquet can help us, as Chinese people, feel extremely proud of ourselves and express our feelings through the song. I think it’s especially good. Also, I like the tune in and of itself, every time I hear it I feel extremely moved.”

He expressed this idea more frankly in a later blog post, writing: “Playing this song praising China to heads of state from around the world seems to tell them that our China is formidable, that our Chinese people are united; I feel deeply honored and proud.”

Known in Advance

Whether Lang Lang’s decision to play “My Motherland” was entirely his own is impossible to confirm. That his choice was known in advance to CCP officials is very likely.

Cheng Xiaonong is a former assistant to former CCP General Secretary Zhao Ziyang. He now lives in New Jersey and is a commentator on Chinese politics.

Cheng said that “The White House had to report in advance to the Chinese delegation and so the Chinese delegation would have certainly known Lang Lang’s program.”

Cheng believes, however, that the Chinese delegation would see no reason to suggest a change in the program. “The program is not against the interests of China. In fact, it is the opposite.”

In addition to the Chinese delegation likely knowing of the program in advance, CCP officials connected to Phoenix TV would also have known.

Phoenix TV is based in Hong Kong and its signal may be seen throughout China by satellite. Its interview with Lang Lang was broadcast at 7 a.m. Beijing time on Jan. 20, which is 6 p.m. D.C. time on Jan. 19—shortly before the state dinner. The interview was not live—it was filmed on another day in advance of the broadcast.

Phoenix TV, nominally independent, is known to have very close ties to the CCP. The scholar Anne-Marie Brady, whose research focuses on China’s media and propaganda, has said that Phoenix TV is more loyal to the Chinese regime than the official state-run media.

At a minimum, the staff at Phoenix TV knew in advance that Lang Lang planned to play the song. Given the close ties between the network and the CCP and the sensitivity of anything broadcast about Hu’s state visit, CCP officials not knowing this in advance would be unusual.

“My Motherland” having been played at the White House will be seen as a propaganda triumph in China.

“In the eyes of all Chinese, this will not be seen as anything other than a big insult to the U.S.,” says Yang Jingduan, a Chinese psychiatrist now living in Philadelphia who had in China been a doctor in the Chinese military. “It’s like insulting you in your face and you don’t know it, it’s humiliating.”

Yang sees Lang Lang choosing this tune as an expression of the deeply anti-American propaganda that is constant in China.

“This deeply anti-American chauvinism has been fanned by the CCP for years; Lang Lang is expressing the feelings of this generation of angry young people,” Yang said.

A well-known example of such feelings was seen on Sept. 11, 2001, when Chinese chat rooms were filled with young people celebrating this act of terror as an American defeat.

Excited at this coup, patriotic Chinese have been circulating the clip for the last several days. One netizen wrote “the right place, right time, right song!”

The phrase “right place, right time, right song” echoes Chinese propaganda and is a declaration of victory over the United States. Chinese have been taught that the United States lost the Korean War. A U.S. general is quoted in the propaganda as describing the Korean War as being “the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place with the wrong enemy,” which is taken as an admission of defeat. In fact, the quote is from Gen. Omar N. Bradley testifying to Congress as to why the United States should not extend the Korean War into China.

Another Chinese commenting on a forum responded to the Lang Lang performance by writing, “Defeat America, defeat Obama” (writing Obama’s name with the wrong first character, one meaning “sunken” or “dented.”)

Others wrote comments like: “omg!”; “Didn’t they know?”; “Where was the U.S. foreign affairs?” and “Very good. My impression of Lang Lang has really changed.”

More moderate Chinese have expressed disappointment at the attitudes of their countrymen.

A sinovision blog quotes “Professor A” saying : “Everyone knows this Shangganling is from a ‘Resist America, Support Korea’ film, and I think Lang Lang would know that too. If he knew the song’s background and still chose to play it, then you can guess his motivation, or intellectual capacity. If he didn’t know, then mainland China’s education system is in more of a mess than I thought…

“Suppose for a moment that Obama was invited to a banquet in China, and he invited an American artist who had performed in China for many years to play an American war song against China, what kind of reaction do you think the Chinese government and people would have? … I think the American government still doesn’t know the background of this song—if they knew, wouldn’t they be offended?”

Humiliating the US
Whether Chinese officials intended Lang Lang to play this piece, its performance at the White House fits a general pattern of Chinese propaganda attacking the United States. Subtle details are seized on and used to humiliate the United States before the Chinese people.

When Nixon visited China, a photo was taken of him getting off the plane to greet Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai. Nixon has a big smile and extends his hand out to Zhou. Zhou stands with a rigid face and holds his hand close to his body.

The photo was widely used in all of the Chinese media to help support the idea that Nixon’s visit was a victory for China. Chinese schoolchildren were told, “See how long Nixon’s arm is stretched out? That shows the United States is reaching out to us.”

When President Obama visited China in November 2009, he toured the Imperial Palace. Obama exited through the Shen Wu Men, which may be translated as Gate of Divine Prowess. CCTV reported that he exited through the Shun Zhen Men, which may be translated as “Gate of Obedience and Purity.”

In fact, the Gate of Divine Prowess is the outer gate and everyone must exit through it. However, Chinese media would not accord President Obama the honor of going through the “Gate of Divine Prowess.”

Neither the White House nor the Chinese Embassy responded to phone calls requesting comment on this story.

Sources;

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/49822/

&

http://www.prisonplanet.com/chinese-pianist-plays-propaganda-tune-at-white-house.html

Cayman, I Would be interested in hearing your views on the above article i.e. Is their any Truth to what they are saying here?

Icecold

24th January 2011, 14:51

Hi Cayman, what do know about the pyramids in China. Apparently the Chinese government denied they were there, but you can see them in Google Earth....

http://www.philipcoppens.com/china_pyr.html

kinsuemei2

24th January 2011, 15:11

Cayman your awesome, and spot on my friend!

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Icecold the Chinese government deny anthing you ask them, is the sky blue you ask? no they reply, look at the Sichuan Earthquake and amount of people killed in comparison to the "Official" amount. And remember the children, after looking at that.

bluestflame

24th January 2011, 15:13

to//cayman :when i used to work at a camel station I even interacted with employees of "the gap" when once a year we would go into town and race camels in the alice spring camel cup

when asked what they do "out there" thier standard reply " I'm a cleaner " when asked what they used to do before they came to work there was various answers such as law enforcement , security and computer science ...

cayman

24th January 2011, 16:15

I recommend everyone to take a look at this China National advertise which is broadcasting in US and will be broadcasting around the world
http://video.sina.com.cn/p/news/c/v/2011-01-23/155861244063.html

despite what it say about the politics of China, it's still a beautiful show to learn what China and Chinese people are today, combine what I posted before. you will get a more clear picture of China

cayman

24th January 2011, 18:00

Another thing you might be able to enlighten us on Cayman...

Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

...........
Cayman, I Would be interested in hearing your views on the above article i.e. Is their any Truth to what they are saying here?

I have to say: everything it said is true. thank you for your input, I didn't know that if you haven't mention it. It's so out of the ordinary, I can't even believe they did that in white house!

the video link is here:http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/CX44y9CRBmc/
the professor A's blog is here:http://www.sinovision.net/blog/syscx/details/56771.html

Transdimensional Bean Pod

24th January 2011, 18:03

Cayman - thank you so much for what you bring to the table here. I find China fascinating. I recently completed grad school in the form of Chinese Medicine, and had the opportunity to meet many wonderful and amazing people from your country. I very much hope to travel there one day, to learn more about my field, and to explore the culture.

You are a brave and brilliant soul. Your contribution is deeply appreciated!

Transdimensional Bean Pod

24th January 2011, 18:11

I have to say: everything it said is true. thank you for your inpurt, I didn't know t that if you haven't mention it. It's so out of the ordinary, I can't even believe they did that in white house!

the video link is here:http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/CX44y9CRBmc/
the professor A's blog is here:http://www.sinovision.net/blog/syscx/details/56771.html

Yikes. Did we just get tea-bagged?

If this were a prison, do we now have a 'boyfriend'?

cayman

24th January 2011, 18:19

Hi Cayman, what do know about the pyramids in China. Apparently the Chinese government denied they were there, but you can see them in Google Earth....

http://www.philipcoppens.com/china_pyr.html

I'm pretty sure there are pyramids in China, especially around XiAn. Because my major in college is History, and I spent almost a year around that area after my graduation. I did find some unusual places around XiAn---the most historical place in China long history.
but the pictures in the link you gave me is not pyramid, I have to say, they are Mausoleums of Emperors. Especially the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor, the First Emperor of China is still a great myth today in China, even though we have so many materials about him
link is here: http://www.google.com.hk/images?hl=zh-cn&q=%E7%A7%A6%E5%A7%8B%E7%9A%87%E9%99%B5&rlz=1W1ADFA_zh-CN&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1575&bih=912

cayman

24th January 2011, 18:25

....Icecold the Chinese government deny anthing you ask them, is the sky blue you ask? no they reply, look at the Sichuan Earthquake and amount of people killed in comparison to the "Official" amount. And remember the children, after looking at that.

There is a Chinese idiom for that:call white black—指鹿为马， the "truth" is what TPTB say it is,:eek:

MariaDine

24th January 2011, 18:32

Hello Cayman ! :)

I have been in China , Hong kong and Macau. I have many chinese friends.

My first acunpunture regression was in China.

From my experience chinese people are very much awake, only they are very quiet, reserved, about what they really think !

http://www.starbirdstockdesigns.com/asp_pages/Product_Images/CD010807FG2.jpg

greybeard

24th January 2011, 18:36

I'm pretty sure there are pyramids in China, especially around XiAn. Because my major in college is History, and I spent almost a year around that area after my graduation. I did find some unusual places around XiAn---the most historical place in China long history.
but the pictures in the link you gave me is not pyramid, I have to say, they are Mausoleums of Emperors. Especially the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor, the First Emperor of China is still a great myth today in China, even though we have so many materials about him
link is here: http://www.google.com.hk/images?hl=zh-cn&q=%E7%A7%A6%E5%A7%8B%E7%9A%87%E9%99%B5&rlz=1W1ADFA_zh-CN&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1575&bih=912

Nassim Haramien in several of his videos speaks about Pyramids in China and being kept secret as it would never be admitted that a outside influence couldhave built these or contributed to their building also they would not want outsiders coming into the country to investigate.

Its in this video near the end if I remember correctly.
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y5bXdx5UrE

Ba-ba-Ra

24th January 2011, 19:01

Hi Cayman, Several years ago I wrote a novel (loosely autobiographical) which connects The Grail to the Pleiades to the potential destiny of U.S.A.

About six months ago I noticed that a small number of Chinese had been on my website. At first I thought it was an accident, however, I've been intrigued that the number of people in China who access my website regularly keeps growing. I found that fascinating. Of course I have no way of knowing if they're purchasing or reading my book, but I am curious about it. I can't imagine how they found me, as I'm quite an unknown.

Just curious: are the Chinese interested in either the Pleiades or the Holy Grail? Or perhaps it was just the potential destiny of US that brought them to my site.

By the way, Thanks so much for participating on this forum. I can't imagine that anyone in the world isn't interested in what's happening in China. If they're not, they should be and I do appreciate your insights.

MariaDine

24th January 2011, 19:07

I think Nassim should have said that the Piramid shape is the easiest constrution to make, in engineering terms. He makes it sound like they are more difficult to construct then the gothic cathedrals.

http://piramidalcwb.wordpress.com/faca-voce-mesmo/

A SITE THAT EXPLAINS IS THEORY.

http://azureworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/schwarzchild-proton.html

learninglight

24th January 2011, 21:06

Damnos

24th January 2011, 21:45

Thank you for your reminder. the original source is in David Wilcock's website
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/896-chinasurprisequarantine

For those of you interested in what is happening in China I highly recommend you look at David's blog and go though parts 1, 2, 3, and 4 (part 2 is the one where the link takes you to, if you go to the main page of his blog you can find the other parts, listed chronologically)
In particular I would like to point out the information discussed in Part three: The one with the secret (as in the Government has not reported this at all) packages which contained a great deal of information on a working free energy device and several other gifts that would push humanity forward towards independent sovereignty.
My questions that I have about the article are thus:
1. Who is the group who sent this? What is known about them?
2. Has there been any updates about this aside from the reports of relatively peaceful disarming (though unknown means) of the war machines of North America, UK and Australia?
3. Have any whistle blowers come forward yet about this?

The more questions, the more answers, the more the doors open.
Love and kindness
D

jackovesk

25th January 2011, 10:30

Hey Cayman,

Some more information you may not have come across yet...

Weekly Geopolitical News and Analysis 20110124: Benjamin Fulford

Hu Jintao’s US visit exposes compromised Chinese government officials.

"There was something very fishy about Chinese President Hu Jintao’s visit to the US last week. First of all, mass-murderer and war criminal Henry (Heinz) Kissinger was praised in the official government Xinhua news site. Second, this Nazi Kissinger, who was part of the plot to kill off a large percentage of the Chinese population with the tailor made SARS bio-weapon, was the man who introduced Hu to an audience of US corporate chieftains."

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

If you have not heard of Ben Fulford before he is Canadian Blue Blood who previously worked for 10 years as a Financial Journalist for Forbes Magazine.

He now lives and works in Japan and is a member of the "Black Dragon Secret Society", he was one of the very few journalists to ever have a one-on-one interview with David Rockefella.

Note: His information is not always accurate, but always worth looking at his site on a monthly basis for he has many contacts in Asia and has generally a good understanding of the NWO & PTB.

yhvh

25th January 2011, 11:02

greybeard

25th January 2011, 11:17

Hi Icecold, the pyramids in China what your mention is a grave which belong to the first Emperor who unite the China.

There is details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang

Until now, we do not open it, no one know what kind things in there.

But, you can pay attention in Sanxingdui, it has a lot of commons with Egypt pyramids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanxingdui

First, they are all locate in northern 31°

Second, they all fit the three Kings star of Orion, and the river(the Nile and Yazi river) fit the Milky Way

If you can believe Nassim, the Pyramids in Egypt were not for burial purposes and they never actually found a body in a pyramid.
He claims that the bodys claimed to be found within were actually found separate.
If I remember correctly its in the video I posted here but there are others on u tube specifically about Pyramids by him.
What I have seen of China in documentaries etc its a wondrous place.
Chris

cayman

25th January 2011, 12:10

.....

About six months ago I noticed that a small number of Chinese had been on my website. .......

Just curious: are the Chinese interested in either the Pleiades or the Holy Grail? .........

Very interesting info. I really don't know anything about Pleiades, Holy Grail---I think the first time I learn that word is from <indiana jones> movie, :o so I really know anything more about that. could you send me the link of your website? I want to learn more about that. I doubt they can buy that kind of book in China, this kind of "new age" book is strictly forbidden in China mainland. but you know, there are so many awakening people in China, they don't say things in public, but they search for truth quietly...

cayman

25th January 2011, 12:38

Hi cayman, much respect to you for what you are posting here. I hope you don't mind but i'd like your help if possible. I'm a bit lost finding my way round the 'web' to look for information. i'm looking into Chinese history and have gone back as far as 'Three sovereigns and Five emperors'; its all very interesting especially about the god kings or demigods. I've read about the Huaxia race as much as is on there. I wondered if you could point me in the right direction where to look on the web for more information as i am intrigued and excited at the same time, i have no idea why i am looking into this it just feels right at this time to do so. If you're to busy to help i understand. Best wishes and be safe

Good for you! my friend. Chinese mythology is the best way to learn about China(I spend decade to learn that ) Cause the ancient Chinese language is so unique, it is like a picture and music in the word, it's juicy, a few words tells a thousand things. but sad thing is: modern Chinese lost its essence. so , whenever the ancient story being translated into modern Chinese, the story is diluent, let alone when it being translated into English. therefore, there is very few good stuff in the web.
I do find you one: http://www.cdot.org/history/chinese_myths.htm
it is a TaiWan base website, I checked, very good translation and the content has fairly integrity. I think it will be a good starter.
But the best advice I can offer is : learn the ancient Chinese before modern Chinese, then read the documents written in ancient Chinese which is a vast ocean for your enjoyment.

Victor laszlo

25th January 2011, 13:14

It's hard to imagine censorship happening here. My curiosity is piqued; I would have liked to have read your post.

cayman

25th January 2011, 13:38

.....

Weekly Geopolitical News and Analysis 20110124: Benjamin Fulford

Hu Jintao’s US visit exposes compromised Chinese government officials.

"There was something very fishy about ...... Henry (Heinz) Kissinger was praised[/B] in the official government Xinhua news site. Second, this Nazi Kissinger, who was part of the plot to kill off a large percentage of the Chinese population with the tailor made SARS bio-weapon, was the man who introduced Hu to an audience of US corporate chieftains."

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

If you have not heard of Ben Fulford before he is .....

Note: His information is not always accurate, but always worth looking at his site on a monthly basis for he has many contacts in Asia and has generally a good understanding of the NWO & PTB.

Thank you for that.
I do know something about the relationship between Henry Kissinger with Chinese PTB. the most likely successor of the president of China is Xi JinPing, his offspring was introduced to Harvard University for education by Kissinger, few people in China know that, fewer people know that the tuition/fee for Harvard education is paid by the infamous Goldman Sachs----you see? the offspring of the next president of China is now under direct "protection" of TPTB, dare I ask, who is the true Master? things like that, I have a lot, may be someday I will make a list or something

As for Benjamin Fulford, I know him from the Camelot interview, very interesting guy. I tried to dig more about his story, unfortunately, his website or blog is off limits in China. Clearly, he is on the Chinese government's list---think of the meaning behind that...

If there are any-other links about him, please send me, I'm really interesting in his work

Vangelo

25th January 2011, 13:56

No, I'm right there in Beijing, China

Hi Cayman,

Very interesting indeed, thanx for sharing. Earlier you said that the Chinese government controls access to unacceptable sites on the web. Given that you are able to view Avalon and Camelot it would seem that we have not reached their threshold.

Regards,
Vangelo

bearcow

25th January 2011, 13:58

Hello all, new member here. Thought id stir the pot a little more about what goes on in china, and has been going on for a long time. The old stories of the Chinese immortals are real.

http://www.youtube.com/user/rvencu#p/a/u/2/ZYQXw4fQCsY

http://www.youtube.com/user/rvencu#p/a/u/1/GlNtvnu1Z0g

I have met these men and studied with them and they are the real deal. There are others in china that i have studied with as well that do not show off their abilities publicly but are very powerful.

Many of you may have seen this video in the past

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQZg_DqkIWo

A Different Linage than the master in the first two videos, but the source of their power is essentially the same. Enjoy.

Icecold

25th January 2011, 14:24

My background history with the Chinese community in Australia. During the 1970s I had a very good friend who taught me Kung Fu for several years. He was a master of Tong Kune Do which as Chinese people know is associated with the Chinese Tongs. So I became indirectly associated with the Chinese tongs in Australia. I was a friend of Paul Golding from Honk Kong who was one of Bruce Lee's sparring partners. Later on when my friend left to live in Rabaul, I joined a Daoist kung fu school called the God Dragon Kung Fu school in China town Sydney. I've always had Chinese friends in Australia, though they were usually on the shadier side of society. Good people and very loyal to their friends. They had a code of ethics which I was in tune with and that remains so today.

kinsuemei2

25th January 2011, 14:35

Look I like Ben Fulford wonderful man but completely mislead and lead up the garden path, let me put it this way.

My name is Benjamin Fulford. I am a spokesperson for the Black, White and Golden Dragon societies as well as for the Red and the Green. These ancient secret societies have a global command structure, partially visible in your local martial arts societies, that is capable of mobilizing a 100 million person army on very short notice in case of an emergency.

Ok those are his words, first off The ancient Asian society have a deeper lineage and Chinese have a few, but they are based around the Hung Pan and Red Eyebrows,or the Tien Ti this million assassin stuff is insanity, Ok let me say this, I don't want to hear any crap about oh you don't know, because I do, I live in China, I speak the Language and I know my Martial arts better than Starbucks knows coffee, when I was talking about the Falcons of Cheng Du on Jeremiah Duncans P.I.G. radio with Jerry Avalos my Skype was disconnected and so was my phone line until the next morning, when I was trying to inform those about China, perhaps I need to do another Project Camelot interview about it.

First off to have that sheer amount of assasins in China is crazy, the Chinese use Nepal to train their guys, and they use the awesome but brutal Gurkha's to help train. And also letme adress Ninjas, Ninja and Ninpo was "SAID" to have come from Iga and Kolga two and ONLY two very cold mountains regions of Japan, yes during certain Japanese dynasties the Ninja were "Said" to be the counterclass to the ruling samurai, the truth is very little was known or documented about them, I believe they did exist but in very small numbers.

They DID NOT use magic, they DID NOT use Ki Kuri or Finger weaving that was an aspect brought over by Mastsaka Hatsumi, who was very prevalent in teaching Togakure-ryū Ninpō Taijutsu amongst others, he brought Ninpo into the fold which was urban and jungle warfare nothing more, nothing less, camouflage, stealth, quick kill techniques and proficiency with edged weapons, projectiles and the environment.

Now myself and my good friends Bub Malstrom and Jack Hoban, are deeply routed in Martial arts, I have friends such as Chris Leben, Ray Park, Sam Hargrave, Thayr Harris, real martial artists due to my Muay Thai background, such as Christophe Clugston, Ramon Dekker and others.

Lets not get played here, that amount of assasins is insane and fiction, I will bet my life on that, and also I am angry because I have lost friends and family to the war in mayalsia between the Triad, Yakuza and Mamak, not to mention Sputnik thats a Philippine gang thats and growing and expanding every day, in Thailand and Chiang mai yo have Ya Kha, and even HUGE all girl gangs, and these guys are fighting and KILLING each other every day, in Malaysia the triads and the Yakuza are insane, and definatley not on the same page, not to mention Korean and other gangs encroaching constantly it's a struggle in asia... a struggle for money and power.

Let me say thins now, the last thing they want is a guy telling the world what they will do, they like distraction and diversion they never want you looking at them, because the Triad don't want you to see them coming, they are in to drugs, prostitution, child sex slavery, basic slavery, gambling, extortion, murder and these are our saviors? please lets re evaluate this one ok.

Now the Black dragons and the Society's Fulford mentioned are real they are entrenched in Japan and China, the Kokuryūkai think that's spelt right, BUT Ryōhei Uchida himself vowed upon his honor to NEVER wash his back in the eagles river, and that meant never supporting interests outside of the clan, remember this was in the 1930's in 1960 they made a come back and only had a handful of members less than 100 they said 150, but that's inaccurate. Due to documents found at the head quarters that were raided by Interpol in the 1972.

Green Dragons, I don't have the energy to do all that just know that they were finished in 1959 after communists killed the last remaining dragons in Tibet.

Ok I am done with this subject and the shatter glass aspects of it for now.

Icecold

25th January 2011, 14:42

cayman

25th January 2011, 15:56

Look I like Ben Fulford wonderful man but completely mislead and lead up the garden path, let me put it this way.
...................
Green Dragons, I don't have the energy to do all that just know that they were finished in 1959 after communists killed the last remaining dragons in Tibet.

Ok I am done with this subject and the shatter glass aspects of it for now.

This is really fantastic stuff that I have no way to know. thank you!
I do think the so call "Red and the Green" doesn't have any significant influence in mainland China, at least I have heard nothing about it.

Victor laszlo

25th January 2011, 16:22

Cayman- Your posts are most informative; I've never gotten such an open perspective on the 'inscrutable' Chinese viewpoint. I believe that most educated westerners hold the Chinese in high regard. My question:

Wouldn't it be safe to assume that China's first, if any, aggression would be against Taiwan?

cayman

25th January 2011, 17:04

.....Wouldn't it be safe to assume that China's first, if any, aggression would be against Taiwan?

If there has to be a war, that's the most safe assumtion.
But I don't think there will be an aggresion against Taiwan, unless Chinese Military do have some way overpower the USA Military--Which is hard to imagine for now.
So, now what the Chinese regime do is using "soft hand"(economy) to absorb the the economic control power into China mainland. That's the long term strategy, and it is working.

As a Chinese, I hope my country will be united without any military actions.

Pani

25th January 2011, 17:29

Well, as a Taiwanese, I hope my country will retain the status quo, and never be part of China.
But let's stop here. Don't bring the politics and dispute to this forum. :-)

Ba-ba-Ra

25th January 2011, 17:49

Very interesting info. I really don't know anything about Pleiades, Holy Grail---I think the first time I learn that word is from <indiana jones> movie, :o so I really know anything more about that. could you send me the link of your website? I want to learn more about that. I doubt they can buy that kind of book in China, this kind of "new age" book is strictly forbidden in China mainland. but you know, there are so many awakening people in China, they don't say things in public, but they search for truth quietly...

As requested here is the link to my website: www.barbarapercival.com I am at a loss at how the Chinese are finding it.
I don't want to mislead you, I only average about 600 hits a month, so it's far from a busy website. However, for the last 6 months 30% of the hits are from China - which is 160 people. The U.S. makes up 35% of the hits and the rest are spread pretty much world-wide. The hits from China began suddenly, but have remained consistent each month. So something they are searching must match with my website. There's not much info on my website other than how to order the books, except I have posted articles I've written to read, which I would say are encouraging people towards self-empowerment and critical thinking. I found this all quite intriguing.

Sorry to take thread on a personal quest - although in some way in may be showing others what the people of Ching are interested in!

schnurfel

25th January 2011, 19:21

..."XiaoShan UFO" event happened in July 2010, back then, every major websites in China and some local TV channel, several national newspaper cover that story for some weeks. There were very hot discussion about it, below is some very various good video of the same event. it cause a major airport shutdown, and appear in several big city, like Shanghai, Hangzhou,

video 1 (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTg4ODMxNTEy.html) this one is amazing
video 2 (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjEwODIyMDc2.htmlODMxNTEy.html)
report 1 (http://club.mil.news.sina.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=236019)
report 2 (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2010-07-26/022017861250s.shtml)

Regarding those amazing videos, I can´t help it but think that the second UFO has a certain earthly machinelike touch to it. - The first however looks like some kind of a plasma phenomenon leaving behind a trail of glowing (possibly ionized) air - reminds me of those spirals...

Regards, Schnurfel

cayman

25th January 2011, 19:34

Well, as a Taiwanese, I hope my country will retain the status quo, and never be part of China.
But let's stop here. Don't bring the politics and dispute to this forum. :-)

I appreciate your point. And I do understand there are many people in Taiwan have the same opinion, and I respect that.

cayman

25th January 2011, 19:41

.......... There's not much info on my website other than how to order the books, except I have posted articles I've written to read, which I would say are encouraging people towards self-empowerment and critical thinking. I found this all quite intriguing.

Sorry to take thread on a personal quest - although in some way in may be showing others what the people of Ching are interested in!

That's a good sign, no matter what.

"the people of Ching"
Funny, I have to say it's my first time actually see someone use that phrase.

bearcow

26th January 2011, 01:12

Earlier you said that the Chinese government controls access to unacceptable sites on the web. Given that you are able to view Avalon and Camelot it would seem that we have not reached their threshold.

Last time i was in Beijing i had no problem accessing camelot, alex jones, and other conspiracy websites. My guess is that the Chinese government isn't too interested in banning English websites. They will never get a huge amount of traffic there, they probably are OK with people bashing the us government, nwo, etc. Sorry couldn't figure out the whole quotes thing.

Icecold

26th January 2011, 03:50

mrkumamon

26th January 2011, 04:31

I am desperate to find the answer too.You really made a great point
this route back a hard-core question: who the hell is really in charge of China? who is the Chairman on the board of China Inc.?

bluestflame

26th January 2011, 04:36

RACIAL & ETHNIC DISTRIBUTION of A+,B, O BLOOD TYPES
BLOODBOOK.COM
http://www.bloodbook.com/world-abo.html

bilko

26th January 2011, 04:48

What is really happening in China-IV：Chinese "ROSWELL" Event

yep, this was very well known as "XiaoShan UFO" event happened in July 2010, back then, every major websites in China and some local TV channel, several national newspaper cover that story for some weeks. There were very hot discussion about it, below is some very various good video of the same event. it cause a major airport shutdown, and appear in several big city, like Shanghai, Hangzhou,

video 1 (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTg4ODMxNTEy.html) this one is amazing
video 2 (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjEwODIyMDc2.htmlODMxNTEy.html)
report 1 (http://club.mil.news.sina.com.cn/viewthread.php?tid=236019)
report 2 (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2010-07-26/022017861250s.shtml)

back then, this event got so big. Government had to sending out some "official" investigate team. of course, the end result is one word: vague. Just like “Roswell" but I'm sure that inspired more people to think....this kind of UFO sighting things happen in China very often recently, in many different places.
sometimes I can't help to think if we can call it "UFO self-disclosure movement".
Every time i click on the second video it crashes my Mac!
The first one won't play.
I'm not trying the others.
Never had my Mac crash before.
Hmm, something they don't want us to see?

mrkumamon

26th January 2011, 04:55

I'm wondering if there's political pyramid in China and who is on the top and controllig so many .How can I get a clear picture of the pyramid of Chinese controlling system that is manipulating medias , finance,education and so on like the pyramid David Icke demonstrates in his speech?

cayman

26th January 2011, 16:34

Charles has emphasised on a number of occasions, the importance of eye colour. I was wondering what significance that has on the fact that almost the entire Chinese population has brown eyes.

In fact the DNA spectrum or diversity, if I can call it that, in China is noticeably less varied than in other parts of the world. I wonder what bearing this has on the entire DNA story which Charles is
in the process of exposing.

Finally, someone say it beautifully. thank you, Icecold. since the eye color thing came up, I'd spent some quality time to try to find out---scientifically speaking, exactly how many colors in our Chinese people's eyes？ most of them are brown, very few of them are black.

I heard that the Chinese migration application for CANADA require you file up the color of your eyes. is it common in migration application around the world? or just for Chinese?------does it has anything to do with what charles said? anyone?

jackovesk

26th January 2011, 16:57

NO
Finally, someone say it beautifully. thank you, Icecold. since the eye color thing came up, I'd spent some quality time to try to find out---scientifically speaking, exactly how many colors in our Chinese people's eyes？ most of them are brown, very few of them are black.

I heard that the Chinese migration application for CANADA require you file up the color of your eyes. is it common in migration application around the world? or just for Chinese?------does it has anything to do with what charles said? anyone?

NO..!

It has more to do with...How the eyes are described, not the color!

Ba-ba-Ra

26th January 2011, 17:50

That's a good sign, no matter what.

"the people of Ching"
Funny, I have to say it's my first time actually see someone use that phrase.

Sorry, Ching was actually a typo on my part, I was trying to type China. But interesting that the typo meant something to you. If you believe that their are no accidents. . . perhaps my unconscious mind was sending you some clue? Or - maybe just reminding me to reread my posts. Hope that my typo didn't have a derogatory reference.

cayman

26th January 2011, 22:17

...... But interesting that the typo meant something to you. If you believe that their are no accidents. . . perhaps my unconscious mind was sending you some clue? Or - maybe just reminding me to reread my posts. Hope that my typo didn't have a derogatory reference.

nothing derogatory,not to me though. It's fun! you see: "Ching or Qing" is the last dynasty of China, but the first dynasty of China was call "Chin", that's 2000 more years ago, back then, the western empire is Rome, they love to buy figuline from "Chin", that is where the word "China" come from.

RUSirius

26th January 2011, 22:30

Cayman, thanks for the info of what is going on out East your way. The description of using the Chinese people as lab rats seems to hold true with Chinas version of project bluebeam as well. Remember whether communist, capitalist whatever we have all been lab rats, in this 'experiment'. The people of the East and the people of the west must unite/reunite with a higher purpose for all of mankind, we are all brothers and sisters in this human race...Well most of us at least, I hope.

yhvh

27th January 2011, 06:00

Yes, the risk is always out there. But it's time do something, I heard what Bill said: jump off the cliff. Just do it

Buddha said：I don't jump off the hell, who into the hell

yhvh

27th January 2011, 06:23

Actually, the life in here is no significant difference to the life in any other western countries---except for much smaller house with fairly higher payment, and nobody can speak freely. I or we have to work very hard to pay bills and mortgages. If you have an average income, you should buy your house(I mean condo) in 50 years without eating or any spending---and that's just assume the house price won't go up any further, but you know, the realestate in China goes one way----UP!----at least 20% percent per year(it is up 50% last year alone in Beijing);and now the Government shove the peasants around the country into the cities(which are already out of full capacity) under the name of "modernization"---just like what happened in England 400 more years ago; also, thanks to the "Fiat Monetary system", the government is pumping money into the economy, the inflation go higher and higher every year, people are forced to buy something solid like realestate, as a matter of fact, nowadays in major cities I.E. Beijing, without relationship, you can't buy a condo even if you have enough money, the housing business is seething! average 70%(official number is 40%) people in China don't own a house themselves, and less than 5% people own more than 80% of the houses in China---- So you see, an unprecedented bubble is emerging. When it burst, there will be blood on the street.

Hi, my friend. I got a idea that is the crisis of next economic. I think the next world economic crisis (maybe 10 times serious than last) will blast in Chinese real estate in next few month. Maybe you can tell us some details.

Just like Charles said

"We have six or so years to to fight on a level that doesn't include war. Not the type of war with guns . "

And he add this fight is on "finance" level.

China is a key on world finance order.

bluestflame

27th January 2011, 06:28

as the light shines into financial dealings shadowy deals are made public

Cognitive Dissident

27th January 2011, 15:17

Hi Cayman, hen gao xing ren shi (please excuse my poor Chinese!). I don't know if you've seen this link, or if it has been posted already, but Alfred Webre is quoting you in his articles (but I don't think mentioning your name).
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/extraterrestrials-now-live-among-us-china-and-u-s-a-newspapers-report?CID=examiner_alerts_article
Have you seen this, what do you think of it?
In general, I've read some but not all of this thread, and I can see there is a big chess game going on with the Chinese and the US about disclosure. My question to you is, big picture, do the Chinese leadership think that they have more to gain that to lose from disclosure (especially free energy which can replace all the coal burned in China), and so they are going to need to do it, or get the Americans to do it, sooner rather than later?
On the other hand, perhaps more conversative elements think that this may be too disruptive to the society?
But surely, they realise, that the Western model of industrial development is not sustainable in China (or anywhere else), so why continue down that path?
I can see what they want their family to have Canadian citizenship, but American? That's not going to be an island of stability... (sorry, tangential issue, ignore that last comment).
Thanks so much for taking part in this forum, it is great to have your perspective.

cayman

27th January 2011, 19:50

Hi Cayman, hen gao xing ren shi (please excuse my poor Chinese!.
谢谢，也很高兴认识你，too:p
actually, your Chinese is pretty good.

......Alfred Webre is quoting you in his articles (but I don't think mentioning your name).
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/extraterrestrials-now-live-among-us-china-and-u-s-a-newspapers-report?CID=examiner_alerts_article
Have you seen this, what do you think of it?

Thank you for heads up, just noticed. I'm glad some one like Alfred Webre quoted my comments on that. Name is not important. Haven't got enough time to go detail through Alfred's article, its content is extensive and thorough, a sketchy thought is: load of real stuffs

......My question to you is, big picture, do the Chinese leadership think that they have more to gain that to lose from disclosure (especially free energy which can replace all the coal burned in China), and so they are going to need to do it, or get the Americans to do it, sooner rather than later?
On the other hand, perhaps more conversative elements think that this may be too disruptive to the society?But surely, they realise, that the Western model of industrial development is not sustainable in China (or anywhere else), so why continue down that path?

If there will be any disclosure per se, I do think Chinese regime have more to gain, disruptive? not necessarily will happen in China, in the current situation, religion element is not that strong as in USA. And, if they claim they have contact and cooperation with Aliens, and have tools and toys might over power USA, there are many Chinese would love to see that,nationalism play a very strong role in China. In fact, given the current economic and politic situations, the best and urgent solution for Chinese regime(in a long-term dominion perspective), is a technological breakthrough, then they could tell the people: now, we have the Alien stuff, so please bear with the corruptions and unbearable inflation for a little longer, we will soon create a whole new world, and everybody will live happy ever after---a good story, huh? I'm telling you,false hope, it works every time. Off course, the story is too big for Chinese regime to do it alone. If someone guess the regime would push other regimes to do the disclosure, I would not be surprised.
but just to be clear, it's my univocal opinion given your specific question.
and I would say, the relatively benevolent force within the Chinese regime could actually think that will be the best solution for Chinese people.

I can see what they want their family to have Canadian citizenship, but American? That's not going to be an island of stability... ....

What can I say, the Hollywood sure did a great job! "American Dream...";)
To tell you the truth, until a year ago, like many Chinese people---I did plan one day I'll go to America, to live a more free life, and have a better education for my future child, and I worked very hard for that "dream" :o

but now, I'm kind of thinking I'm lucky to be in China in this lifetime---it'll be good experience, good game---no matter what

Tom Sawyer

27th January 2011, 20:03

Hello Cayman!
I do really understand what you mean because I grew up in the former USSR which wasn't a good place to survive as a personality. Now I have business with China and I can confirm that all you're talking about is discussed in masses in your Country. Private talks, rumors, etc. From my point of view - people of all the "suppressed" Countries are much closer to awakening. When you're fine - you don't need to change something radically in your life. We always thought that our Government is not a Big Brother but a greedy hyena sucking out everything that is above the living wage and pumping the resource into the military machine. It's really hard when you're treated like you're a soulless small screw (one of many millions) which has to be equal to all the others.
There were a lot of good things in USSR which I miss now but the totalitarian conception shades it all.
From the opposite the situation got us all "vaccinated". I mean that we understand that things are not as they look like.

cayman

27th January 2011, 20:11

.......
From the opposite the situation got us all "vaccinated". I mean that we understand that things are not as they look like.

:nod:
the misfortune may be a blessing in disguise ----塞翁失马，焉知非福

Tom Sawyer

27th January 2011, 20:15

Benjamin Fulford devotes himself to working with "Asian" powers. After Charles' informational injection I see now the details Fulford is presenting more clearly.

cayman

27th January 2011, 23:48

Benjamin Fulford devotes himself to working with "Asian" powers. After Charles' informational injection I see now the details Fulford is presenting more clearly.

Could you copy/paste some details you mentioned above in this thread? I can't access his website from China. Except the camelot interview, I saw nothing else directly from him. thank you

Steven

28th January 2011, 01:03

...Once again, they succeed in turning the peoples into blaming each other, fearing each other, the regimes/PTB get win-win situation----that's how they get control of all of us, a classic International-Banker tactic. If we falling into the nation concept, and the nature resource is always limited, there will be and always have been only one-way trip to go--War. That is the Old Paradigm. Divide and Conquer. This trick also being applied to other countries.

we need a new way out

Very sharp perception. I absolutely agree. See, in my country (Canada) I am currently fighting with my working collegues (Hydro-Quebec) against the total infiltration of private power in the highest ranks of the administrative staff. Hydro-Quebec is a state company. The nationalization has been done by our fathers fighting against privates oppressing interest after the second war. Now, we see our state company literraly attacked by banks, corporations and other privatly own economical powers to privatize it all. Compared to China's situation, it's the other way round.

All extremes seems to lead to a few rulers sovereign over the mass. Indeed, we need a new way out, a new human consciousness. I have hope too. The word Humanity contains the word Unity in itself. I hope the day any nation will make a stand for any other nation, we are all the poeple of Earth.

Thanks for your very informative voice. You are a great soul, be blessed and protected by the great Spirit.

Namaste, Steven

Steven

28th January 2011, 01:09

...I heard that the Chinese migration application for CANADA require you file up the color of your eyes. is it common in migration application around the world? or just for Chinese?------does it has anything to do with what charles said? anyone?

I'm from Canada. No it's common, even for Canadians :)

Namaste, Steven

cayman

28th January 2011, 01:30

I'm from Canada. No it's common, even for Canadians :)

Namaste, Steven

Good to know, my friend.

Tom Sawyer

28th January 2011, 09:45

Very sharp perception. I absolutely agree. See, in my country (Canada) I am currently fighting with my working collegues (Hydro-Quebec) against the total infiltration of private power in the highest ranks of the administrative staff. Hydro-Quebec is a state company. The nationalization has been done by our fathers fighting against privates oppressing interest after the second war. Now, we see our state company literraly attacked by banks, corporations and other privatly own economical powers to privatize it all. Compared to China's situation, it's the other way round.

I was born in a place which is now a small Country the territory of which is only 4.163 square km. It's in Europe, right between Moldova and Ukraine. Just think about it - there are 5 power plants (hydro, thermal, gas, etc.). Quite redundantly for 500.000 population, don't you think? 2 are brand new co-generation PP. One is technologically the newest and the most perfect in the whole Europe. Except hydro one - all private. What can I say - the whole Country is almost private. As Charles said PTB are building nests. Logically - beyond doubt.

cayman

28th January 2011, 13:29

Every time i click on the second video it crashes my Mac!
The first one won't play.
I'm not trying the others.
Never had my Mac crash before.
Hmm, something they don't want us to see?

It works in my macbook, I guess it has something to do with the Adobe flash version compatibility .may I suggest you another browser? I presume you used safari in OS X, so firefox may be a viable alternative.

Annie

28th January 2011, 18:25

Thanks Cayman for the posting of video 1.Even skeptics would find it difficult to explain that one away.

Tom Sawyer

28th January 2011, 20:10

I remember a saw a fragment of this video 1 on one of the Russian TV channels. Quite amazing to see it in full length. Thanks

E.Yes

29th January 2011, 01:03

It works in my macbook, I guess it has something to do with the Adobe flash version compatibility .may I suggest you another browser? I presume you used safari in OS X, so firefox may be a viable alternative.

I watched it on firefox first, then I watched it on Safari and it crashed the browser.

Great thread, thanks!

bluestflame

29th January 2011, 01:09

could this be related , ...a field test , a test run ?

RjkUTMiUwTY

as evidenced by this vid , video cameras are able to pick up holographic imaging as if it were (almost) real

Myatding

29th January 2011, 01:16

I've chosen to start a new thread in General Discussion related to this thread, but also related to the Benjamin Fulford and Iraqi Dinar threads. I would very much like to hear what others of you think about the connections that I am working to understand.

See:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12737-Connections-Benjamin-Fulford-China-Iraqi-Dinar-revaluation-Banking-Cartel-end&referrerid=2986

Cheers,
Mark

Icecold

29th January 2011, 13:59

Buchanan561

29th January 2011, 15:49

Thanks for sharing your information about China. It just adds to our knowledge base of other parts of the world. It is hard to find the truth and not just political propagander. Thanks much. Emma here from America, another country that is not free.

Cognitive Dissident

29th January 2011, 16:27

Hi Cayman, thanks for your detailed response. I think you are lucky to be in China this lifetime - I have lived in China many times, but this time I was born in the West. Even so, some people say I look Chinese (no Chinese genetics though!) and of course I learned Chinese pretty fast (still quite ma ma hu hu - hen jiu mei you shou-le, suo-yi, tui bu le, hao ke-xi!).
I agree with your analysis, and you are right about the false hope. Let me have a think about this, I will keep my eye out for China related insights, and post them here.

hao

30th January 2011, 21:13

It's Epoch Times, they spread the many lies about the riots in Tibet in 2008, they spread the lies that China's first space EVA was faked, they have links to falun gong whose supporters cheered on the streets of America when most of the Chinese were grieving because of the devastating earthquake that struck Sichuan province in 2008, these people are so pervertedly hateful of their own government that they had to celebrate the demise of those innocent people whose lives have been either lost or affected by the calamity, as if it was really Sharon Stone's karma manifested itself on the Chinese regime.

And who covertly fund the Falun gong? NED, which is really the CIA in disguise. Also, the Epoch Times is usually sympathetic towards Taiwan, just like Nancy Pelosi has links to Taiwan so no wonder she is a noisy critic of the mainland regime.

My mother know a woman whose husband once practiced Falun gong for a way of exercise himself, but he quited after one day him along with other practitioners were taken away by some senior Falun gong members, they drove them to a place where they handed out anti-government booklets and materials to them in an attempt to indoctrinate the practitioners. He then realized all of sudden the Falun gong is no ordinary sect, it's motivated,organized and funded for certain political purpose.

Another instance of their disgrace, you see the Chinese sales guys i know from the gift shop, some Falun gong guy visited them one day, he asked the Chinese students working there to sign a piece of paper stating they will quit the CCP, since most high school students are CYLC(Communist Youth League of China) members when graduating here in China, the guys in the shop didnt take him seriously and they didnt sign it, the Falun gong guy got frustrated and start cursing them before he was gone. So basically that's the way how the Epoch Times was able to create their "sensational" news of the so called "8 million memebers quit the CCP". A CIA funded organization, you bet you would find frauds in them.

TheSwede

31st January 2011, 08:51

Hi Cayman and other Chinese people!

This is in regard to the blocking of specific traffic the Chinese suffers from on the Internet.

Do you have any details on how this blocking is set up? If they just block domains or countrys a VPN or proxy solution would give you access to the entire Internet. There is alot of public VPN services out there that sets up an encrypted tunnel that will allow all traffic to the domain you're connected through.

I do this stuff for a living, using VPN tunnels to access all the internal networks on the companies i administrate. I also use VPN tunnels and proxys outside work on my free time.

An example is TVstations that only allow their own country to watch their Web-TV, you can bypass by connecting to a domain within the country using a proxy or VPN tunnel to access all their services from outside.

For private usage outside work I personally use a VPN tunnel that i beta-tested and it works awesome with good speed, i topped the tunnel at 94mb/sec so its not a ****ty tunnel like most public one are. The one I use is the one the guys behind ThePiratebay created to help the people bypass all the stupid laws put in the system. https://www.ipredator.se/?lang=en

Can you for example access these domains:
https://www.ipredator.se/?lang=en
or
http://ivacy.com

TheSwede

31st January 2011, 13:43

Just read the following on Wikipedia:
The firewall is largely ineffective at preventing the flow of information and is rather easily circumvented by determined parties by using proxy servers outside the firewall.[83] VPN and SSH connections to outside mainland China are not blocked, so circumventing all of the censorship and monitoring features of the Great Firewall of China is trivial for those who have these secure connection methods to computers outside mainland China available to them.

So basically if you connect through a VPN tunnel you would have unlimited internet access thats encrypted so they cant see what youre doing.

However it might be dangerous if they see ALL you're internet traffic is encrypted and all communication goes to a specific domain disabling them from seeing what you are doing.

So if I were you and used a VPN in china I would use it as little as possible only when needed. That way very little of you're traffic will be encrypted and hopefully not pop up in their system as someone that stands out from the rest. If you only used a VPN tunnel with encrypted information a big red light would go off in their firewall I'm sure, haha.

The One

31st January 2011, 14:16

Celine

31st January 2011, 14:21

Cayman, since you started posting here, your grasp of english has improved at an astonishing rate. Nothing short of miraculous. Especially noticed is your grasp of slang and colloquial terms. I'm very impressed. ;)

Yes i noticed that too...A couple of french members have also improved, by using chat.

Great thread to pay attention to...lots to learn, thank you

Tom Sawyer

31st January 2011, 18:10

Could you copy/paste some details you mentioned above in this thread? I can't access his website from China. Except the camelot interview, I saw nothing else directly from him. thank you
Hello again Cayman! Sorry, I was out preparing an overview about B. Fulford for you but when I got back to my laptop I saw a great post from Myatding:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12737-Connections-Benjamin-Fulford-China-Iraqi-Dinar-revaluation-Banking-Cartel-end&referrerid=2986
I think the subject is covered in most important aspects - we can only discuss the details. So please take a look. BTW happy Chinese NY!!! I wish you all GOOD!!!

Tom Sawyer

31st January 2011, 19:41

Cayman, friend, look what I've found. These photos are taken over the Russia and some former Soviet Republics.
Think you'll find it very familiar. It shows the similarity of the technology used in the UFO, if it's one...

July 2010, Alma-Ata
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/012011/24/post/korabl/tn.jpg

Barnaul, Tomsk
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/012011/24/post/korabl/korabl-001.jpg

Zenith Rocket launch, Altai
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/012011/24/post/korabl/korabl-004.jpg
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/012011/24/post/korabl/korabl-005.jpg

Zenith-3F Rocket launch:
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/012011/24/post/korabl/korabl-016.jpg

Progress M-06M, Baikonur
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/012011/24/post/korabl/korabl-021.jpg

The rest are here:
http://serial.co.ua/pozitive/33951-kak-vyglyadit-zapusk-kosmicheskogo-korablya-23-foto.html

Icecold

1st February 2011, 02:15

Ex-China Foreign Ministry Official says Extraterrestrials live among us

Chinese scientists also say that aliens live among humans. This includes Sun Shili, a retired foreign ministry official who is now president of the Beijing UFO Research Society who also concludes that waixingren (extraterrestrials) are living among us.

Sun's first close encounter occurred in 1971, when he was sent to the remote countryside during the "cultural revolution" (1966-76) to perform the grueling task of rice planting. One day while toiling in the field, his attention was diverted to a bright object in the sky, which rose and fell repeatedly.

At first, Sun assumed the spectacle was some sort of Cold War intelligence monitoring device - a reasonable deduction considering the times - however years later, after reading foreign materials on UFO sightings, he knew he had experienced a close encounter.

And Sun is not the only expert in the country taking these sightings seriously. According to the highly-accredited Shen ****uan, an actual rocket scientist, president of Beijing Aerospace University and honourary director of the government-supported China UFO Research Association, every report of an alien encounter is worth investigating.

Research [ethically-based] into UFO's could help spur new forms of high-speed travel, unlimited sources of non-polluting and non-fossil fuel based energy and faster-growing crops, claims Sun Shili, president of a government-approved UFO Research Association (membership 50,000).

Over 400 members of Dalian's UFO Society have college degrees
In Dalian's UFO Society, 90 per cent of the 400 members have college degrees. "It's exciting for us to use science to decipher UFO sightings," said Zhou Xiaoqiang, secretary-general of the Beijing UFO Society.
While few Chinese claim to have managed to get quite as intimate with an extraterrestrial as Meng, a growing number of people in China believe in unidentified flying objects, or UFOs.
In fact, Officially registered UFO associations in China have about 50,000 members, but some estimate the actual number of Chinese interested in the subject is probably in the tens of millions.

China has a bimonthly magazine -- circulation 400,000 - devoted to UFO research. The conservative state-run media also report UFO sightings on a regular basis, in contrast with Western government organization which, as a policy, deny verifiable human contact with Extraterrestrial. UFO buffs in China claim support from eminent scientists and liaisons with the secretive military, giving their work full scientific respectability.
"If something flies over [ET spacecraft], there's a very good reason for trying to understand why they're here, why they come to us, what is their relationship between us and them," he says.

"In order to understand UFO phenomena, we need to have a broad understanding of different disciplines," says Albert So, university professor and Hong Kong UFO club member, "including mathematics, physics, history, philosophy, even some sort of paranormal activities and all that."

To read more on this story; http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/02/07/01353.html

Celine

1st February 2011, 02:22

Any one interested in whats happening in China?

I am!

Steven

1st February 2011, 02:30

Thanks Icecold, it's the kind of articles I use to convince the hardest :)

By the way, "The Canadian" newspaper is one of the few I trust. Have you seen their archive section?

Go to U.F.O. articles here : http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/archives/UFO_Extraterrestrials.html

There are some good ones.

Namaste, Steven

Icecold

1st February 2011, 02:35

Thanks Steven. That's a good link. Cheers.

cayman

1st February 2011, 04:37

.....still quite ma ma hu hu - hen jiu mei you shou-le, suo-yi, tui bu le, hao ke-xi!).
I agree with your analysis, and you are right about the false hope. Let me have a think about this, I will keep my eye out for China related insights, and post them here.

Your Chinese is quite good. PinYin is fine, no regress. 你可以找我练习，加油!
One day, I would like to learn something about your other life experience in China. That would be fun ;) and I´m trying to learn the skill to access my past life experience, it is hard to find someone or some book to learn that skill in China. Any one can help me with that? may be some books?

Icecold

1st February 2011, 04:51

cayman

1st February 2011, 04:56

Icecold

1st February 2011, 05:07

Thank you, TheSwede
It´s good to know.
Actually I have a PDF manual regard the internet great-wall of China. it explain who set up that wall, and how it works,further more, how to get pass the wall. VPN and SSH are recommended methods. I usually use that methods in my mobile devices like IPad and cellphone. But for home use computer with fixed IP address, VPN or things like that, is not safe, I presume. So I use IPV6 methods or sorts for home computers. But I think it won´t work pretty soon. Therefore, my battles for free internet access is an ongoing process. your advice is always welcomed.

You will need to operate through a proxy of some description.

I'd set up a linux a/c on a server somewhere outside China and then use the server to do what you do. You used to be able to set up linux a/cs on servers in Russia. Haven't looked at it for years.

If go the route of using a proxy list, those proxy servers will require using HTTP Proxy and not SOCKS Host. You put
the web address in HTTP Proxy: and the number they give in Port: If they don't provide a port number try 8080

AS I said I'd go down the first path. It is a much better method. I can't tell you were to find a unix a/c but they are out there. ;)

What am I telling you this for Cayman, I thought all Chinese were good hackers. :boink:

Look at this link http://www.cotse.net/home.html

cayman

1st February 2011, 05:11

Greeting, Tom Sawyer

right now I´m in our Chinese New Year vacation and enjoying here.

thanks for the link confirmation. I´m looking into it and post there.

cayman

1st February 2011, 05:22

......

And who covertly fund the Falun gong? NED, which is really the CIA in disguise. Also, the Epoch Times is usually sympathetic towards Taiwan, just like Nancy Pelosi has links to Taiwan so no wonder she is a noisy critic of the mainland regime.

.........

........... A CIA funded organization, you bet you would find frauds in them.

Yep, I heard things like that, a lot. Yet, I haven´t got any confirmation or personal experience of that.
No doubt, anything relate to the ¨secret¨ politics is nasty :tape2:
I keep my eyes and opinion open for that.
thanks for your input, friend

cayman

1st February 2011, 05:38

Chinese satellite navigation officials say they intend to field an operational system covering all of Asia by 2010, but they are giving few details on the deployment plans for their global system. In addition China has yet to complete frequency coordination with the United States, Europe, Russia and others.

http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=33183

Independent global GPS system-----an important evidence of independent force, especially in military point of view. How that system pan out would give us a peek of the relationship between China and the NWO per se.

Ami

1st February 2011, 05:41

[QUOTE=cayman;116741]
right now I´m in our Chinese New Year vacation and enjoying here./QUOTE]

Gung hei fat choi Cayman!

cayman

1st February 2011, 05:42

Cayman. You can't learn how to access past lives from a book. Hypnotists are your best bet. Look for an experienced credentialed hypnotist with past life regression experience. Don't trust channellers, most of them are frauds.

Icecold, I heard you. contact Chinese version of ¨Dolores Cannon¨ would be my priority first!

Icecold

1st February 2011, 06:03

Icecold, I heard you. contact Chinese version of ¨Dolores Cannon¨ would be my priority first!

LOL. That post made me very happy Cayman. Thank you. :eyebrows:

Rupertmoon

1st February 2011, 06:48

Cayman

I'm glad I found this fascinating and relevant thread, I have been living in China on and off for the past few years. Referring to earlier in the thread when you provided the clustr link on Avalon viewership and it was only around 7000. Then I also looked at India and saw they were at about 3500. Now obviously language barriers play a part, but that is such a minute % for half the worlds population. Also based on my time spent in the two countries, I feel this relatively tiny percentage of people who have a small piece of how the game is played is a crucial aspect to how this will unfold over the coming years. How can structures be put in place so that people in China can become aware of this information, as quickly as possible, while at the same time integrating it into their lives in a functional way and without going insane. Most of us in the west have grown up in environments where we have been able to access this information, in a less restricted atmosphere and thus integrate it and take appropriate action. Most Chinese are still operating in a much more conditioned way and have not been afforded the opportunity to start dismantling the prison walls of this matrix brick by brick.

Much respect to you Cayman, I also feel I chose to play a part in being here at this time and in this body. PM me if you want to arrange to talk about this in more detail. I am based in Yunnan.

Zaijian peng you.

Richard

arpanet

1st February 2011, 12:32

Regarding Internet access in mainland China.
When I was visiting China last year, I used my own computer in Europe as an intermediate. I.e. from Beijing I created an SSH tunnel to my home computer, which in turn did the real connection to the Internet sites I wanted to visit. The Chinese firewall could only see that I had one established connection to an IP in Europe, but no way of knowing what was going on in there.

It is very simple, but you need some background knowledge in networking.

The link posted by Icecold seems like a valid service. They seem to offer SSH tunneling services http://www.cotse.net/ssh_windows.html
One serious flaw in that guide is that they do not tell how to tunnel DNS queries. DNS is the system that converts domain names to their corresponding IP addresses (e.g. projectavalon.net -> 67.212.160.12)
If you do not forward DNS requests to the tunnel, the Chinese firewall can see the name of the sites you are trying to visit and block you based on that.

If you end up using SSH tunneling it's best to dedicate one web browser completely for that purpose. For example use Google Chrome for tunneling (it supports SOCKS proxy) or Firefox with the FoxyProxy add on.

I don't personally like VPN, because it tunnels all the traffic and thus slows down the connection. With SSH tunneling I can choose which traffic is tunneled.

Cayman, if you need any help setting up your connection, please don't hesitate to ask.
I'm very pleased to find Chinese people interested in the matters discussed in Avalon. Are there any similar forums in China? (Or are they harmonized?)

大家新年快乐！

cayman

1st February 2011, 15:02

........
...... I feel this relatively tiny percentage of people who have a small piece of how the game is played is a crucial aspect to how this will unfold over the coming years. How can structures be put in place so that people in China can become aware of this information, as quickly as possible, while at the same time integrating it into their lives in a functional way and without going insane. Most of us in the west have grown up in environments where we have been able to access this information, in a less restricted atmosphere and thus integrate it and take appropriate action. Most Chinese are still operating in a much more conditioned way and have not been afforded the opportunity to start dismantling the prison walls of this matrix brick by brick.

....... I also feel I chose to play a part in being here at this time and in this body. ........

Thank you！ Richard, 新年快乐！
It is an urgent yet delicated situation, I think we can all agree on that.
Take action, that will be very intriguing

cayman

1st February 2011, 15:38

.......Cayman, if you need any help setting up your connection, please don't hesitate to ask.
I'm very pleased to find Chinese people interested in the matters discussed in Avalon. Are there any similar forums in China? (Or are they harmonized?)

大家新年快乐！

Thanks, arpanet, it's very helpful, I'll seek to it.
There is a website discuss matters like that in China, relatively small but active，they traslate many Avalon's meterials and publish on websites in China
http://awaker.net/
It has not been harmonized because it is small and many materials it contain are from western world, not so much resonate with general Chinese public, in my opinion. So far, it hasn't been harmonized.
you see
An acorn grows into an oak

新年快乐！

cayman

1st February 2011, 15:56

Cayman

......PM me if you want to arrange to talk about this in more detail......

may be because you are Provisional Member now. I can't send any PM to you yet.:wave:

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....Gung hei fat choi Cayman!

thank you, Ami
恭喜发财，大吉大利，阖家幸福，新年快乐！

sunnyrap

1st February 2011, 16:07

As a champion of your country, may you be (even more) blessed with sharp mind and excellent intelligence. There is a lot of technical talent here, if I knew more i would get you more help. American Geeks LOVE to bring down net walls....

Rupertmoon

2nd February 2011, 02:47

[QUOTE=cayman;117356]may be because you are Provisional Member now. I can't send any PM to you yet.:wave:[COLOR="red"]

ahh... i see. then i will let you know when i have been upgraded.

write4change

2nd February 2011, 04:00

Cayman,

I have read all the comments on this thread and most of the links. The ten minute video you put up of China today was very beautiful. And unlike any China I saw in my six week visit in 1985. We were invited by the Chinese government to come as a friendship exchange. In one of your recent posts you seemed to be interested in seeing China through someone else's eyes.

I was introduced to a female Chinese medical doctor at the International Student Union at UCLA. She was 58 and she had been sent for a two year study in idiomatic English. To learn the slang and actual way of speaking of American doctors for consultation. She spoke excellent but stilted English.

Her father was employed by an American railroad. As I understand it, at the time your government essentially gave us many Chinese for building railroads in our West, we in turn took the technology and trains to China. I was told that we build most of the initial rail system there on a tech basis while the Chinese furnished most of the labor. He worked for them for 30 years. He was also taken away during the Cultural Revolution.

Ling (part of her name) (I am not into getting anyone into trouble) lived with us most of those two years. We learned a lot from each other. At that time, I believe she told me that she was making $28 American a month with an apartment furnished. She had a husband, a mother, and two teenage sons living there. She was chosen because no one was being sent who did not have substantial reasons for them to return and be nice during this stay. I think she lived with us just a couple of weeks when a Chinese girl who was expected to be a miraculous tennis player defected and Ling was appalled. She felt it would damage the program and she felt the girl had so little respect for her country.

A year after she returned to Beijing University, we were invited. In the process of getting our visas, they Chinese government got very upset that I had a different name from my husband and wanted an explanation. Then they asked for certified copies of both the marriage license and the marriage certificate. I was amused because here they held themselves out to be a totally sectarian country and they were concerned with rather or not our marriage had occurred and been blessed? They advised us to bring copies just in case. Apparently, there was no sleeping together allowed if you were not married. I had a professional name and was not into changing it for marriage.

Our group was about 30 people from all over the United States. Some of us were really ugly Americans. We had two lawyers from Houston and two women from New York that I found embarrassing to no end. So much so that I have never traveled in a group since.

If you are interested in comparing and contrasting what I learned then to what I see now and you would try to answer some of my questions, I would love to do this. You are already forewarned that I write long and detailed but will not expect that of you. And I will keep my questions simple and straight forward also.

cayman

2nd February 2011, 07:16

...... The ten minute video you put up of China today was very beautiful. And unlike any China I saw in my six week visit in 1985. ......

Thanks. Hope you will have another trip to China someday.

.........

...... She was chosen because no one was being sent who did not have substantial reasons for them to return and be nice during this stay. I think she lived with us just a couple of weeks when a Chinese girl who was expected to be a miraculous tennis player defected and Ling was appalled. She felt it would damage the program and she felt the girl had so little respect for her country.

That's the case. Back in 1980s, many Chinese talents chose that way to have a better life. the government need leverage to hold them especially most of them were funded and approved by government.

......... Apparently, there was no sleeping together allowed if you were not married. ......

Today, all you need is your VISA,

.......

If you are interested in comparing and contrasting what I learned then to what I see now and you would try to answer some of my questions, I would love to do this. You are already forewarned that I write long and detailed but will not expect that of you. And I will keep my questions simple and straight forward also.

In 1985,I was playing toys in kindergarten. I would love to learn more from you.
long and detailed, that's prefer.

write4change

2nd February 2011, 10:50

Cayman,

I wrote about two hours but lost it all. I will try again tomorrow.

hao

2nd February 2011, 17:54

Though i was still young, I was on the streets of Beijing shouting "down with communism" during the 1989 unrest, but when i saw the way the soldiers were killed, with mutilated bodies hanging over the bridges my instinct tells me something was not right.

Years have passed, i have changed my view regarding incident like the "Tian an men square massacre".

William Engdahl wrote an article in response to Liu Xiao Bo's receiving of the Nobel Peace Prize last year. The man was an important figure during the 1989 unrest, but the man is not the “hero” that the Chinese dissidents claim him to be.

"The Geopolitical Agenda behind the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize"

http://oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eurasia/Nobel_Geopolitics/nobel_geopolitics.html

Noam Chomsky has a different approach to “the shame of Communism”

“But there are plenty of atrocities in the world, and a lot of them trace right back to us. And a lot of them aren’t even counted. Let me give you an example that isn’t counted. You’ll remember, I’m sure, a book that came out and was a big best-seller about a year ago called The Black Book of Communism. There were prominent reviews in the New York Times, all over the place. It was a translation of a French book, which estimated the number of people killed by the Communists at one hundred million. Well, without quibbling about the numbers, let’s say that’s right.

The biggest component of that was a famine in China from 1958 to 1960, which is estimated to have killed about twenty-five million people. The reason why that’s called a political crime – an ideological crime – which is a good reason in my opinion, was discussed in most detail by Amartya Sen; it’s part of the work for which he won the Noble Prize. Sen is an economist who treated this as an ideological crime for good reasons. He said it wasn’t a matter of intent; they didn’t intend to kill anybody. It’s just that the ideological institutions were such that it happened. It was a totalitarian state where no information about what was happening ever got back to the centre. They couldn’t take any action because that’s what happens in a totalitarian state. So it was a reflection of the totalitarian institution, a huge massacre that wasn’t intended. They didn’t intend to kill twenty-five million people, but it was still a major massacre, and it’s correct to call it one of the major atrocities of the twentieth century, and the worst single component of the crimes of Communism. That’s accurate.

That bears on your question of intent. But that’s only half the story. If you look at Amartya Sen’s work, for which he won the Nobel Prize and for which he’s famous academically, he studied famines and the conditions that lead to them. And as a major part of this, he compared India and China. Of course, India, while it was under British rule, had huge famines all the time, with tens of millions of people dying, but nobody counts that among the crimes of British imperialism because. Again, when we do it, it’s not a crime.

But starting from independence, as Sen points out, India had plenty of starvation, but it didn’t have major famines of that kind. From 1947 until the time when he did the work for which he won the Nobel Prize, around 1980, there were no major famines. He compares that with China, which did have this one major famine, and he points to a difference in institutions between the two countries. In India, which was democratic, if information appeared about hunger somewhere, the central authorities could do something about it, so there weren’t major famines.

That’s part of what he wrote. That part is known all over the place. But then he continued. Here’s the rest, from the same articles and the same books, but not known. He then said, Well, let’s compare the death rates in China and India from 1947 until the time he wrote. They were approximately the same around 1947, similar countries, and so on. The mortality rate started to decline in China pretty sharply; it stayed very high in India. And he regards that as an ideological crime, too.

He says the difference is that China instituted rural health clinics, preventive medicine for the poor, and so on, and this led to a significant improvement in health standards, so you get a decline in mortality rates. India didn’t. It was a democratic capitalist country, in which you don’t do anything for poor people. And he then points out that if you take a look at the difference between those curves, let me just quote him, he says, “India seems to manage to fill its cupboard with more skeletons every eight years than China put there in its years of shame [1958-61].”

That comes to about one hundred million people in India alone from 1947 to 1980. But we don’t call that a crime of democratic capitalism. If we were to carry out that calculation throughout the world… I won’t even talk about it. But Sen is correct; they’re not intended, just like the Chinese famine wasn’t intended. But they are ideological and institutional crimes, and capitalist democracy and its advocates are responsible for them, in whatever sense supporters of so-called Communism are responsible for the Chinese famine. We don’t have the entire responsibility, but certainly a large part of it.

So, yes, if you count crimes, it’s an ugly record, but it’s only the enemy’s crimes that count. They’re the ones that we deplore and agonize about, and so on. Our own, which may be monstrously worse, they just don’t enter into our field of vision. You don’t study them, you don’t read about them, you don’t think about them, nobody writes about them. We’re just not allowed to think about them, and if we agree to that, that’s our choice.”

Page 77-80, quote from Noam Chomsky’s “Power and Terror – post 9/11 talks and interviews”

P.S. Just to comment about the Australian movie "Tomorrow, When the War Began"
I see Australia has its own version of the "Red Dawn", and the Aussies are alarmed when they were shocked by the scene of an Australian citizen shot by the Chinese officer.

How about the Chinese family who were brutally murdered in Australia in 2009, 2 youngsters and 2 women, having their heads smashed to pieces, how about the Indian students who were attacked in the same year? It's amazing and ironic when racism and xenophobia is rising in Australia, the Aussies should worry about some phantom Chinese army invading Australia. It's no wonder then One Nation members can march on the streets accusing China's human rights in Tibet in 2008 when they themselves are racist towards the first Australians. For them, raising the "anti-China" flag is really all about anti-immigrants, of which the Chinese are the largest non-white group.

Australia is worried about China's growing military ties with the pacific nations, but it’s not China's fault that Australia treated East Timor as its de facto possession and exploited the resources in East Timorese territories for Australia's own benefit which gradually pushed East Timor away from the arms of their "liberator".

Instead of worrying about the Chinese, Australia should change its attitude and fix the relations with the south pacific nations. And "Tomorrow, When the War Began" is not helping in that regard.

hao

3rd February 2011, 12:30

https://www.freeconferencing.com/playback.html?cn=94-43-28-63&e=2243221200000&cid=conferences/-17-65-6759-17-65-67-17-65-67-17-65-67126-17-65-67-17-65-6783-17-65-6753122121-17-65-67-17-65-670.mp3

a very interesting and important audio

http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/you-must-listen-to-this-call/

bluestflame

3rd February 2011, 12:44

Hao: ...In Australia , we,( generally speaking) are not immune to media manipulation, manipulation of public perception.

Although many are aware of this game and seek alternative sources of information

just like this one, Avalon

the_flyingboy

3rd February 2011, 12:54

cayman

3rd February 2011, 13:13

Enquiring1

3rd February 2011, 13:18

For what its worth I think you have hit the nail on the head.

Chinese people are the missing key to the puzzle (and a extremely large key at that) and the most qualified.

Keep your self safe brother. BTW i think yours is the most interesting thread on the site right now...................

cayman

3rd February 2011, 13:34

Hello friend i've seen a video from Bill called "the anglo-saxon mission" it says something about china that china will catch a cold meaning that they (a controling group) will send a virus of some sort.

I think that story is still a possible scenario, Especially after I learn some more about the bacterin system in China, which is a deep hole I don't even want to know more. only experts can unveil some level of that rabbit hole......

The current Director-General of WHO is a very intriguing aspect of this story, http://www.who.int/dg/en/index.html
Highlight of her resume :
“Prior to joining WHO, she was Director of Health in Hong Kong. During her nine-year tenure as director, Dr Chan confronted the first human outbreak of H5N1 avian influenza in 1997. She successfully defeated the spate of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in Hong Kong in 2003. ”
:confused: one might wondering.....

hao

3rd February 2011, 13:56

I understand, I have met some family members of the ruling CCP high official, from the conversations, i sense intense rivalries among the top leaders, the corruption is rampant, and there is also the effort to combat corruption.

It will be very interesting when the next government replaces the current one.

hao

3rd February 2011, 14:06

I think that story is still a possible scenario, Especially after I learn some more about the bacterin system in China, which is a deep hole I don't even want to know more. only experts can unveil some level of that rabbit hole......

The current Director-General of WHO is a very intriguing aspect of this story, http://www.who.int/dg/en/index.html
Highlight of her resume :
“Prior to joining WHO, she was Director of Health in Hong Kong. During her nine-year tenure as director, Dr Chan confronted the first human outbreak of H5N1 avian influenza in 1997. She successfully defeated the spate of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in Hong Kong in 2003. ”
:confused: one might wondering.....

Its an international "deep hole" i may add

WHO ‘Swine Flu Pope’ under investigation for gross conflict of interest

http://www.oilgeopolitics.net/Swine_Flu/Flu_Pope/flu_pope.html

Magret chan is really a "pawn".

Tom Sawyer

3rd February 2011, 14:09

Hello friend i've seen a video from Bill called "the anglo-saxon mission" it says something about china that china will catch a cold meaning that they (a controling group) will send a virus of some sort.
I've seen it too. I can say that nothing is strictly scheduled or even has only a probability to be put on plan.
And this is Why (I think):
First - as we know now from Charles (the elite' way of thinking) time is nothing for them. Something can happen right NOW, tomorrow or in the next several years OR don't happen at all because the DISINFORMATION as such is the Elite' favorite Game. Such kind of information has strong influence on people's mind and helps Them to control masses in a particular situation.
Second - Those controllers have a very flexible mind which makes them constantly change their plans to gain as much power and money in a particular situation that is possible.
I've heard a very wise conclusion - "The problem now IS to find and offer THEM a way to make big money from doing good things".

cayman

3rd February 2011, 14:54

......
It will be very interesting when the next government replaces the current one.

After 60 years, things just circle back. funny like that :eek:

Rupertmoon

3rd February 2011, 15:15

hao

3rd February 2011, 15:21

I was very young in 1989, but I do remember scenes from TV "soldiers were killed, with mutilated bodies hanging over the bridges ". other than that, I have no first hand experience what so ever. soldiers follow their order, students believe their idea,conspirators with their ambitions, dignitaries with different agendas-----It is such a complicate matters, let the History be the judge.

About Liu Xiao Bo, I have some second hand info about his arrest and the forces behind the "Nobel Peace Prize" nomination. Let me put it this way: other than "The Geopolitical Agenda", there is a "Domestic Agenda" behind that, he is being used as an icon or banner by some clerisy proportion within the government. basically, now, Liu is a bait for both Geopolitical Agenda and Domestic Agenda.

I know for sure CIA was involved in the 1989 unrest, because someone very close to me was a prominent student leader in a western country, i know first hand how he was targeted by the CIA as a potential candidate for their own interest, and fortunately that's when he decided to leave the movement because he suddenly realized that this "democratic movement" has the hands of foreign Intelligence behind it.

If you ask me, the violence against the soldiers was a mean to stimulate more violence,of which it was partially successful, but China didn't disintegrate unlike the USSR. It was different scene when the troops first arrived, people tried to reason with soldiers, people greeted them with foods and drinks, but it changed when the soldiers allegedly started beating the protesters with their helmets (the troops didn't carry weapons so it was the helmet that started the crackdown).That's when everything changed.
But one has to ask this question, if the CIA was involved in that movement, then can one be certain of what appears as black is really black or what appears as white is really white?

It's also interesting to note what former Singaporean prime minister Lee Kuan Yew says about Tiananmen incident in his Memoirs, "if similar incident happened in Singapore i would have acted rather quickly to quiet it down; the Chinese didnt have rubber bullets".

The importance of Lee's opinion is the remind of who was on the "offensive" and who was on the "defensive", which will be helpful in understanding the event.

hao

3rd February 2011, 15:53

I love my Chinese brothers and sisters. I want to play the part to help collectively raise the consciousness, this is going to be very important how this plays out in the coming years. Cayman and Hao... it's great to see you on this site. My girlfriend and I want to start a retreat in Yunnan in a few years to talk about these topics and get this information to the general public.

Strong spirit, no shame.
Thank you for this thread and this moment in time.

Richard

I came across this site because of Klaus Dona's "the hidden history of the human race". "Ancient aliens of China" is my strongest interest atm, im planning a South American trip early this year, because i have discovered a strong cultural connection between ancient pre-Incan Andean cultures and ancient cultures in China. What interest me most is i believe the common bond of the two continents can be traced back to ancient extraterrestrial contacts.

I guess it has to do with my personal experiences too, since i have witnessed UFOs here in China, and very possibly i was abducted by Aliens many years ago.

Myatding

3rd February 2011, 16:42

If y'all missed this in another thread I'm reposting this mp3 here, as it is very relevant to events involving China at the moment (in a major way).

This was shared, but then the link expired. FORTUNATELY I downloaded it before it expired! I have uploaded it to my website so that it will remain available. Does anyone know who this guy being interviewed is? I'd love to see Bill do an interview with him!

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3
I don't know if that is working right, as someone else said that it would only play 3 mintutes, so here is the link:

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

Cheers,
Mark

sjkted

3rd February 2011, 20:20

Hao and Cayman:

Have you been watching the thread Are sociopaths human? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13154-Are-sociopaths-human).

Do you think that China's current leaders are sociopaths?

--sjkted

Abhaya

3rd February 2011, 20:51

Rufs

3rd February 2011, 21:11

Amazing - thank you for that, a real "must see".

Lettherebelight

3rd February 2011, 22:00

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_47mDU4vB2hk/S7YlsUtcLRI/AAAAAAAAAP8/giQXGFkYuIg/s1600/fireworks.jpgThanks Abhaya, for this important link....they're talking about financial change over on the Questions to Charles, maybe it should get posted there too?

Hurrah for Mr Contact 2....I wonder who he is?

Happy New Year, Cayman and everyone! Kung ee Fat Choy! (sorry about spelling)

The year of the Rabbit...a big change of energy!!

fifi

4th February 2011, 05:10

but it changed when the soldiers allegedly started beating the protesters with their helmets (the troops didn't carry weapons so it was the helmet that started the crackdown).

I can't forget the image of the tank rolled over the student who stood in defiance in front of it.

I know for sure CIA was involved in the 1989 unrest
Very likely, but the courageous standing up of the Chinese people against the oppressing regime should not be discounted.

I like the Chinese people very much, and sincerely wish the day they awaken, and be able to change the regime and live a free and better life.

Franny

4th February 2011, 06:07

a very interesting and important audio

I agree, very interesting!

I listened to it earlier today and thought of you, Hao, and what you wrote in your post above. I have been watching this situation for a long time hoping this works out. Hearing a little here, reading a little there. Perhaps we won't see anything starting until next week, then we will know that it has happened.

Until then, Happy New Year to you all in China! :wave:

cayman

4th February 2011, 06:59

cayman

4th February 2011, 16:21

What is really happening in China--VIII: Domestic financial battle

As I point out before: the money that Westerner assume that China have, now causing a serious inflation in China, because China can't spend most of the money to buy useful Equities in an Anglo-Saxson controlled World, so it turns out, that much of money is not only useless, but later become a poison to the domestic economy. Also,thanks to the "Fiat Monetary system", the government is pumping money into the economy, the inflation go higher and higher every year, people are forced to buy something solid like realestate and gold, food price is surging

simple conclusion: today, Chinese economy system like a High-pressure cooker, the inner pressure is increasing higher and higher every day, if the steam can't get out, :boom:

So the logic is simple: if China can somehow release the "money steam" out, it will be good for domestic economy in either short term or long term. if this out-going money can buy some oversea Equities and Assets, that would be great.

Now, you might wonder: why Chinese didn't do that if that is so simple?---the reality is in an Anglo-Saxson controlled World, the money tagged with "China" officially is being treated as a potential enemy, Chinese state owned companies had tried several times and failed---officially.

Chinese guerilla tactic for financial expansion
Okay, now, they(some force within the Chinese regime) came up with a new idea(a new attempt would be accurate )---"7/1/2011, Chinese city to allow its citizens to invest up to $200million overseas per year"
http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001036420/en
http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001036459/en

the plot of this story is: the Chinese city annouced that policy is Wenzhou, it is a local city, but it is the most wealthy city in China, the citizen of Wenzhou is famous for their business talents. their business network spread not only all over China, but also over the world. they are the major guerilla economy force of/from China. some would say, citizens from Wenzhou is the Chinese "Hebrew" the money under their possession estimated more than 200 billions US dollar. If they are allowed to have a free account for their international business, turst me, there will be a money flood.

Drama of the story: 2 weeks later, January 23rd, there was a rumors about this policy was pull back, 2 days later, local officers of Wenzhou came out and said: nope, it is not a pull back, it is a "slow start".
"pull back" story: http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/2011-01/23/c_121013155.htm
"clarify" story:http://finance.sina.com.cn/china/dfjj/20110128/23289328501.shtml

the context of this drama is: banker/industry force within the Chinese regime want this happen, especially the banker part, they have very tight connections with the International Bankers, if this policy come true, the International Bankers would build a convenient channel for their Money Laundering business, more importantly, they can build their nest in China more efficiently.
for the opposite reason: the conservative force within the regime don't want this happen, otherwise, they will lose their control power. who is the conservative force? socialism bureaucratist, their idea is---keep my lambs in my land. these socialism bureaucratist play a major role within the Chinese regime, although their number is decreasing.

therefore, this drama is a mirror of Chinese domestic financial ongoing battle between aggressive bankers and conservative socialism bureaucratist

Liquid

4th February 2011, 19:38

kenkyushiryo

4th February 2011, 20:18

What is really happening in China--VIII: Domestic financial battle

As I point out before: [SIZE="3"][COLOR="magenta"]the money that Westerner assume that China have, now causing a serious inflation in China........................................ugh their number is decreasing.

therefore, this drama is a mirror of Chinese domestic financial ongoing battle between aggressive bankers and conservative socialism bureaucratist

Hi,

i just wanted to ask do you think there is any relationship between this post, or whats happening in china now and a post i made a few days ago about this video?

i happened upon this video tonight where the lord in questions was making a comment to other lords in the house about an entity he named "foundation x" who was willing to give very very large sums of gold bullion backed money to the uk for whatever uses it sees fit.

i saw on one of the copies of this video that it could be people in china who are making this offer for global strategic reasons.

the lord in the video mentions his and others investigations in the apparent truth of their offerings.

have a look yourselves and see what you make of it.

anyone not familiar with the house of lords (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords) should know they are a very high point of power within british establishment. their powers are far more wide ranging than the houses of commons or parliment as you might say.

is there some relationship with the 33? could this be a reason why charles is heading to china?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SlwJPFEZ_-I#t=68s
pertinant material from 1:08

SlwJPFEZ_-I

original source (http://tpuc.org/content/you-might-find-interesting)

Tom Sawyer

4th February 2011, 20:21

Cayman, all I can say after your great post is that goods are the money equivalent that China produce. They invest using a form of goods.

Particular places on the territory of the former USSR are chosen as "Chinese business invasion spots". These places are right in the global traffic centers. I know at least 2 or 3 will be built in the nearest years in Ukraine. Everything There will be Chinese. I'll explain: if you want to sell foreign car into Ukraine - you'll have to pay customs duties + VAT + additional payments. As a result the sum will be 35-50% higher + transport (shipping) charge. BUT you can assemble the car right in Ukraine on a Chinese factory. Look how much you win! The same with electronics, cloths, etc. This spots will be like Cities and it's foundation is happening right now. China will get the most benefit because NOW they will produce goods with high level of quality offering them at a lower price.
You must understand that only US and some European counties get quality Chinese goods because of the laws and quality testing. The rest of the world has to use the cheapest Chinese goods which in fact is a disposable rubbish, sometimes toxic or everything you don't even want to think about! It's true. I talked with my Chinese business partners and they told me that products on a domestic Chinese market are of a good quality at a resonable cost. It's simple - if you produce Rubbish for a domestic market you most likely will find yourself in jail or even "in a loop". But if we speak about selling Chinese goods abroad - you can sell everything you'll be able to. In any condition and quantity. Anyway - US DOLLARS are Rubbish also and everyone knows it. So investing overseas using US DOLLARS or RUBBISH GOODS looks the same for China, I think. And till China will not be allowed to invest real and big money - they'll use this king of "money steam".

cayman

5th February 2011, 07:50

.....
Hi,

i just wanted to ask do you think there is any relationship between this post, or whats happening in china now and a post i made a few days ago about this video?

.......the lord in questions was making a comment to other lords in the house about an entity he named "foundation x" who was willing to give very very large sums of gold bullion backed money to the uk for whatever uses it sees fit.

i saw on one of the copies of this video that it could be people in china who are making this offer for global strategic reasons.

.....

"foundation x"?? If I heard it right, as the Lord point out, the gold bullion under the foundation X is more than all sums of gold ever produced and ever known in the human history?? where is this gold come from? -----some place National Geography had mentioned some years ago.
-----the whole things sounds very fishy, yet I don't think the Lord is just kidding. there maybe some foundation have that sums of gold. But from China? I don't think it is possible, not to my knowledge. but you know what, it is said that gold is the most common element in the universe----base on what the astronaut said on the film footage of Apollo 20 video----which is contradict to the legend why the Anunnaki came to earth for the first place.
where the gold come from is certainly a very worthy hole to dig for:cool:

cayman

5th February 2011, 08:40

.....the money equivalent that China produce. They invest using a form of goods. ......Anyway - US DOLLARS are Rubbish also and everyone knows it. So investing overseas using US DOLLARS or RUBBISH GOODS looks the same for China, I think. And till China will not be allowed to invest real and big money - they'll use this king of "money steam".

That's a very interesting point of view, although this way is not that efficient, not good enough for some ambitious PTB

...........
You must understand that only US and some European counties get quality Chinese goods because of the laws and quality testing. The rest of the world has to use the cheapest Chinese goods which in fact is a disposable rubbish, sometimes toxic or everything you don't even want to think about! It's true. ..

Unfortunately,from what I heard, that is true,

....
I talked with my Chinese business partners and they told me that products on a domestic Chinese market are of a good quality at a resonable cost. It's simple - if you produce Rubbish for a domestic market you most likely will find yourself in jail or even "in a loop". .......

Sadly, it is not entirely true. many many domestic products are also Rubbish and Toxic. this days, poison foods, fade drugs are so common in Chinese domestic market, "poor quality" would be an understatement. Every meal, every medical treatment in China today, what you really need is a leap of faith----and every body know it.

for instance, poison milk "incident" in 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

Former head of China's drug watchdog executed
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-07/10/content_6353536.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19686498/ns/health-health_care/

I have a close connection with a member who was with the team which in charge of the investigation of the former director of SFDA, he told me, after they knew about how the drug get approved and being produced, :faint2: they won't took a pill made in China anymore,never. So do I

you see, Capitalism developed in China is beyond the boundary of morality---sky the limit! :thumb:

I’m sure Adam Smith will be amazed. :cool:

cayman

7th February 2011, 10:59

oh, my Chinese new year vocation is officially end.
the year of Rabbit,year of change,here we go!

write4change

7th February 2011, 11:35

I am coming back to keep my promise.

write4change

7th February 2011, 13:25

Since the other one disappeared I have thought a great deal about what to do differently. I always believe there is a reason for everything. The other one started with seeing the US through Ling's eyes maybe that is for later.

We flew to Tokyo first. At that time, I think it was considered too long a fight without a stop. We were in the air 17 hours as it was and it was a big 747 so maybe then the Beijing airport was not that big yet for commercial.

When we hit Tokyo, the entire airport was surrounded by tanks and there were black dressed security guards everywhere with uzis on their backs. We were told their was a peasant uprising over the government taking their land for airport expansion. Everywhere the people were colorfully and extremely well dressed. Look very European not American. Hats and white gloves everywhere. Uniforms of different types but highly colorful everywhere.

When we hit Beijing, almost everyone was wearing the blue and grey nongendered pants suits. Only professionals on professional business wore Western dress. There were lots and lots of red guard everywhere. They were all highly friendly and unarmed and seem to just instantly do whatever needed doing. I never felt intimidated by them the way I felt in Tokyo. We were only allowed to see Ling on a formal basis for lunch or dinner in a hotel and then only as part of a group. But it was a friendly group.

We often speculated about why the Chinese government did this and finally came to the conclusion that this was their way of judging who Americans themselves were. There were some happenings that felt like psychological experiments. Our tour guide was an East German who I never liked and never trusted. Him I never did get. He definitely told us lies which I perceived at once. I don't know if his whole thing was making money on the black market or what.

One of the things I noted is that any time the conversation was highly technical they spoke English. But if it was for conveying nuance they spoke Spanish. I often saw Japanese and Germans and Chinese all speaking Spanish. I was told it took only a few months to learn compared to English and then they all liked it better.

To my memory, we were never in a building over 5 stories high and I do not remember ever taking an elevator. There was much building going on and they were building skyscrapers with bamboo scaffolding. There was also thousands of people still making handmade bricks. When asked why they were doing this and it would take ten years to do this way...they said they would only really need them in ten years, most of these older people using low tech would be dead then---what would they do with all the unemployed. We told them they could do it with modern equipment in ten months instead of ten years and they said time is not money here. Time is living to completion.

We had a discussion of what it would be like if every citizen was given a bottle of windex as a free sample. With one billion people, how much stuff would be sprayed in a city alone. What would they do with all the empty bottles. Would the people even use it in the right way for the right things? This evolved into a discussion about the difference in market concepts. The Chinese were usually appalled at the lack of planning we displayed in general and the lack of thought to consequences and no acknowledgment of worse case scenarios.

One of the things we learned is that they really wanted to show us what they were really proud of. That for the first time they could feed all their people a minimum determined caloric count of like 1000 calories a day. They had done this in response to the famine they had that millions died in. It was admitted that such a thing would never again be acceptable. They had sent about 400,000 young Chinese all over the world to learn the world's complete horticulture by experience.

Some went to Peru and brought back a 1000 species of potatoes to plant in all kinds of climates. Some that grew on vines hanging off of rock cliffs. Until then I was stupid enough to think the Irish developed potatoes never knowing they came from Peru much less that Peru had over 3,000 species. They learned to plant bananas around lots of rice field to stop erosion. Got all kinds of lessons like that if you willing to listen which I was.

It soon became apparent that many of these Americans thought they were there to ogle the zoo in the interiors. Really embarrassed me. And Americans expressed openly not wanting the Chinese to change many things so to preserve their culture. We rode buses many places and I think they must have used American school buses both old and very uncomfortable. They were in the process of building roads in where they were most plentiful it was interesting to see how they worked then. I see none of that now. They were six lanes with the first one on the right being for walkers only. Then the next one was for bicycles only. Then their were all kinds of carts and rickshaws. Then there were buses. Then trucks. And then there were automobiles which were not that many. Other than the first three lanes there was no passing.

Everywhere we went we had the German guide and two young Chinese boys and one young Chinese girl--probably men and women is more accurate. Pretty soon the Chinese young woman hung out with me a lot. I think that is because I would answer anything in a way that worked because I had spent two years with Ling. All the restaurants we were taken too served what we would call family style. On round tables with big lazy Suzanne in the middle with food which was always local. It was obvious we were given the best and a certain amount that was considered more than sufficient. By the third day and for the rest of the trip, I would only drink tea and toast. The third day we were given some kind of soup with a puppy on the bottom of the dish.

One of the things that most surprised me was my husband who is normally quite fussy ate everything graciously and was really quite charming about it. I simply cannot eat what I cannot eat. I have a huge gag reflex. One of the things true then is the Chinese people will eat anything and everything. I saw lots of lizards on sticks like lollipops. I simply cannot handle it. I have no problem with someone else just not me. Everything seemed to be cooked whole. The fish innards were there as well as the eyes and people just picked around what they would eat. The nasty lawyers would constantly ask for more of some things--which you could see was a huge imposition. They also got addicted or used to Chinese beer and drank more than their allotment of that too.

The other thing that takes a while to dawn on you is that you see no animals like you see in the US. People didn't have pets per se. You did see oxen for work but not many. No insects. No birds. Once a pair of birds flew over us and everyone stopped and watched and applauded. One of the things that amused us is that LA had just paid millions for a pair of pandas from China and spent millions to build them special cages etc. I think it was Shanghai (they were in the midst of name changing and I can't keep them straight in my mind) we visited a real zoo and saw the most miserable looking pandas in the most miserable setting I had ever seen. It was a zoo that needed a lot of work but I especially remember the pandas because they had just been such a big deal.

They took all our money away from us and gave us Chinese money and they wanted us only to buy things from the "friendship shops." Everywhere they had established one they made a big deal out of us going there and going thru all their products. I was mostly interested in their art and textiles which I bought a lot of. I was smart enough to bring collapsible luggage and filled it up as I went along. Our government had stressed and given us a long list of contraband and what would be confiscated if we tried to bring it into our country--ivory, animals or their parts, any kind of drugs like aphodesiacs. I think we were always offered this to see what we would do. They had stunningly beautiful fur coats but tragically they were tigers and stuff they should not have done that to. When they say I would not buy they then brought out some incredibly uniques fir coats made in really interesting ways and I could not recognize the fur. They were shocked I was appalled when they told me dog and cat. They were specially raising them for this.

It was in Xian that by that time I had learned to just burrow myself in the crowd and do it. Here all the peasants could barter in at least 5 languages. And you could really see the Chinese entrepreneur spirit. This is where I bought things I never saw anywhere else. The German was really ticked. This was just becoming a major international tourist attraction. We were told that the whole place had been Xrayed/sonar? and that they were going to open the big tomb in two years. So far they still haven't. Any idea why? Like what don't they want people to see who would spend a small fortune to see it?

I think it was from Xian we flew to Tibet and I think they really wanted to discourage that. We flew in a 1952 Russian prop plane. The seats were plastic slings hanging from chains off the ceiling of the plane. The plane was filled with at least 100 people and no one seemed the least concerned about seat belts etc. The loudest scariest most uncomfortable bumpy plane ride of my life. I refused to get back on it once we got down. They were not happy about that.

It was here my husband got sick with the runs really bad. We ran out of the toilet paper we had been told to bring. The hotel we were staying in was the best around and the towels still had holes in them. You could still use them as towels so I case they had too much value not to use. Or it was still too hard to supply there. There still were not toilets but like public and private outhouses. They were appalled to find out my husband was using Chinese money as paper because he had nothing else.

In the deep interior we saw big extended communions that were really extended families. What was interesting is that in the same place you would see one on one side of the road high prosperous and everyone out working and smiling and waving. And the other one looking dilapidated and the people sullen and no smiling and no waving. I have no idea what that was about but it was evident that environment was not all.

I really loved the Chinese people who are warm and friendly my female guides brought me fresh English translations of books. One had a great effect on me telling about how much of Mao's army that marched up into the mountains died of loneliness having never been separated from people so long. At that time everywhere we went because to travel you began at the crack of dawn we would see in some places 100s and some 1000s of people out in the streets doing Tai Ching with the dawn. We were told folk stories and stuff in the long bus rides.

I remember being told that no Chinese is ever called great until he is dead because he can always mess up at the last minute. I also remember the idea that every thing is in cycles. Born coolie. Coolie work hard and buy land. Son work the land and become landlord. Grandson rent out the land and then sell the land. Great grandson coolie.

We seriously considered buying a condo in Beijing then for 30,000 but they would not let us rent it out in any form. I have always had a huge affinity for the Chinese people. While I do experience them in their own way as xenophobic; it also makes them not into imperialism. The Chines have always wanted to be left alone more than anything else. I see them playing on the world field to protect themselves. They had the greatest GDP of the world for centuries without leaving home. I do not think they will ever get over the British trying to take their ports and addict their people.

But when I look I China now--it looks like both they and India have adopted the worst of the West instead of preserving the best of their own.

I hope I have said nothing to offend you. That is not my intention. My intention is just to share. I would love to go back and it is my wish that the Chinese stand for themselves and face the reality if the West gets its way it will do the Anglo Saxon Mission which is disgusting. If I could go back to China I would in heart beat.

Like your young friends before you I will answer any and all questions. This is what is on the forefront of my memories.

Peace, Cayman from Jai

yhvh

7th February 2011, 15:32

祝大家新年快乐 My friends

sunnyrap

7th February 2011, 16:20

Cayman, thank you for the interesting travelogue. A close friend just took an extended trip to China. She, however, did not use a travel guide but took a guide book and backpacked all over the country, including Tibet. Like you, she found the Chinese people warm, friendly and lovely. She said she wouldn't have a problem living there (though I experienced some doubt about this statement--she being very accustomed to Western luxury). We both love Chinese art and artifacts, however.

cayman

7th February 2011, 17:25

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I hope I have said nothing to offend you. That is not my intention. My intention is just to share. I would love to go back and it is my wish that the Chinese stand for themselves and face the reality if the West gets its way it will do the Anglo Saxon Mission which is disgusting. If I could go back to China I would in heart beat.

Like your young friends before you I will answer any and all questions. This is what is on the forefront of my memories.

Peace, Cayman from Jai

Wow, love this! :bounce: Jai, if I may, you're very kind and sweat, thank you so much for your detail writing. I think I would take my time to digest and enjoying

write4change

7th February 2011, 17:56

Thinking about things are starting to come back. TV was just starting up on the national level. And it was only on certain hours. And I was told that it was so because they feared the people would get addicted and not want to work. So lots of time it had only test patterns. The main non new fair was soap operas. I watched one several times. There was no English subtitles. I just watched the facial expressions and what I could see. This one that was very popular the main star was 10 year old boy. He also had an older sister. It seemed like everything in the whole household revolved around him. He was supposed to be both charming and funny. I was not that impressed and felt he treated his sister badly and it seemed to be her role to do almost everything for him. Both kids went to school and there was a lot of action about that. The mother was not around much and the father was very stiff.

I remember after watching one of these and talking to the girl guide about the new one child rule. And she said the educated women were all for it because it would make women more valuable faster than any other way. It was foreseen that there would be more men than women by far. It was felt that would be a form of birth control also. What apparently was not foreseen is that these lone prince men would not take care of their parents. It seems it is the women who make men fulfill their obligations. i recently read where the Chinese government is considering passing a law to make children care for their parents. Is that so?

The other thing that may have captured their attention on me with the guides is at that time I had red hair and blue eyes but wore green contacts. I found out from some severe kid reactions that the typical Chinese fairy tale the witch is always red haired and green eyed. The children of more sophisticated parents like in Beijing wanted to be brought over to talk to me. There were a couple of times I felt like a Disney character. In the interior, some kids would take one look and run screaming for their mom. LOL

All the national groups were kept separate from one another until one day we took a day tour on what was like an old water wheel boat from the old south quite big. We did an entire day on the Yangtze River on the boat with tours from around the world. Germans, Dutch, Aftican, there may have been about 200 of us. There I got into a real debate with some famous Catholic Bishop who had just written a book called I Love Idi Ahmine. Well it was that day that I found out our group was not only Americans but all Jews. When I got into it with this bishop (not mean but intense) I told him I had been born and raised Catholic and he was sort of full of it. Well the Jews in my group had no idea I had converted and then they essentially shunned me for the rest of the trip for my un pardonable sin of "passing." So Xenophobia exists everywhere. Ling was hugely proud of the fact she had direct descending from the family of the yellow han.

When you are ready I will tell you how Ling saw our country and aspects of her visit here.

cayman

7th February 2011, 17:59

..........

But when I look I China now--it looks like both they and India have adopted the worst of the West instead of preserving the best of their own.

.......

You got that right. Especially China, the CCP claim that it is a "Socialism with Chinese characteristics", may be that is a genuine purpose at the beginning, but now it mutate to an uncontrollable monster.-----but look at the bright side, soon when things get out of hands, people might ask: now, what is next? they may run out of options with "Ism"

write4change

7th February 2011, 18:01

Just remembered one important thing. Universal education had never been made available to people on a whole because the government thought if all the people were educated people they would want to read books all day. They were astonished to find out that like Americans most people on a whole were not crazy to read books and wanted to spend their time doing more interacting things. Kids would study by incentives and parent pressure but not by their own choice. I was told that very quickly all their fears of universal education turned out to be unfounded and if anything made students much more amenable to state planning.

Icecold

7th February 2011, 18:02

When the war starts it will be a case of perfect timing.

cayman

7th February 2011, 18:57

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It was in Xian that.......... We were told that the whole place had been Xrayed/sonar? and that they were going to open the big tomb in two years. So far they still haven't. Any idea why? Like what don't they want people to see who would spend a small fortune to see it?
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I think you refer to the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor
http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=441
Terracotta Army, very small part of the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terracotta_Army

It's one of my major interest of Chinese History, I "dig" it for years

why they still haven't open the tomb? Chinese majority public also puzzled about that, and there are always hot debates rising up from time to time
http://view.news.qq.com/zt/2009/qshl/index.htm (sorry, content is chinese)

The major reason in the official explanation is: we don't possess such technology to preserve such a big open-tomb, I find this article is the most professional explanations for all those public statements
http://view.news.qq.com/a/20090615/000036.htm

But my college mates who work in the State Administration of Cultural Heritage(http://www.sach.gov.cn/), he told me that the actual reason for not opening the tomb is someone in the top level of the CCP gave assertive order to do otherwise, that's back in 1980s, even today, we do have the technology to do so(as my friend claim), nobody dare to disobey that order-----that's the real mystery to me

write4change

7th February 2011, 19:23

I read all this and looked at it all. For sure, there was no closed expanse when I saw it. It had been open at least a couple of years with those things out in the open. they had like tents over them to keep out the rain but they were definitely exposed. Why would the government be committed to having a complete open tomb like look. My understanding is that there is a lot of gold and stuff like in the Egyptian tombs. Taking things out a piece at a time and putting them under class allow for much more detailed viewing. Generations? All I can say in the grand scheme of things if you really want to know you origins and history this does not make a lot of sense. I find it hard to believe in all this time they did not tunnel under with the sophisticated equipment and sonaring devices they have.

cayman

7th February 2011, 19:43

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i recently read where the Chinese government is considering passing a law to make children care for their parents. Is that so?
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Yep, that's something ongoing. A top-level important issue for Chinese people. In our tradition, take good care of our elders and parents is not just obligation that simple, it is much more than that, how good you take care of your parents will ultimately define your caste in the society, it is more important than power and money. but when the "western modernization" come, this concept is diluted, but the tradition is still there. Now, thanks to the Chinese Socialist-Capitallism,very few are supper rich, many more are poor and jobless, and many of them are lone prince generation, they are young but relatively poor, they can't afford to support their parents;but there is another side of story, many young generation, especially those who just graduate from college, at least half of them are jobless, even you do find a job, the income can barely cover your mouth, the best way they keep their life-style is to rely on their parents' saving or wealth---therefore, the Chinese government is considering passing a law to keep adult away from feeding on their old parents.

cayman

8th February 2011, 15:25

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We seriously considered buying a condo in Beijing then for 30,000 but they would not let us rent it out in any form. ......

If you did bought the condo, today it might worth more than one million US dollars :p

cayman

8th February 2011, 16:21

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..... While I do experience them in their own way as xenophobic; it also makes them not into imperialism. The Chines have always wanted to be left alone more than anything else. I see them playing on the world field to protect themselves. They had the greatest GDP of the world for centuries without leaving home. I do not think they will ever get over the British trying to take their ports and addict their people........

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we are retentive people, yet we are forgiven and peaceful

you point out 2 very important points here:
1) Imperialism hardly have any root in China, even today, may be some elites in PTB plan to make a new "move",dreaming of China Empire, and despite the western term of thinking now are growing in China, let's not forget there is a deeper philosophy in Chinese culture: Justice ultimately decide who is the winner---that is the true meaning of "On winning without going to war"--The art of War, Sun Tzu

2) Get over being invaded is something Chinese will never forget, especially the Japanese invasion in WW2, that's something will dwell on for a long long time, IMO.
If we can not forget, how can we forgive? then how can we unite as one?

That apply for many nations and peoples around the world whom had suffered from Imperialism. the bloody memories go deep and dark. that's something weight more than money or proud can be used for manipulation to Divide and Conquer----that is something shouldn't be let alone in shade corner when many westerner talk about Enlightenment this Oneness that, if we, as a whole society, truly One Earth family, that's a big issue deserve a deeper thought.

may be one day, somehow, Divine Cosmic will lift off the veil of our memory, then, as a society, we can be truly united as One.

Maria Stade

8th February 2011, 16:39

Hallo Cayman ;)
I was visiting Beijing 20 years ago and I have seen how it looks now in TV.
Thank you for writing and explaning here about your contry.
It was very nice when I was there and much has hapened during this years.
Thank you !
Namaste

cayman

8th February 2011, 16:46

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I remember being told that no Chinese is ever called great until he is dead because he can always mess up at the last minute....

Yep, that's a unique concept in our culture---谥号, it was used to revaluate emperor/king deeds in their lifetime. that's the Sword of Damocles for the Chinese emperor/king. Reputation in history is a big big big deal for Chinese emperor/king, 'cause Chinese people have a good custom to keep detail record on books, both officially and unofficially. we are retentive people

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I also remember the idea that every thing is in cycles. Born coolie. Coolie work hard and buy land. Son work the land and become landlord. Grandson rent out the land and then sell the land. Great grandson coolie.
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A book: Tragedy And Hope (Carroll Quigley) have a wonderful description about the Cycle thing in China.
Point is: everybody have a chance to become emperor/king, no nobles last for long in Chinese history as we know of. that's very unique in the world history.
Hopefully, one day, we will break down the cycle entirely---everyone is the king of oneself

write4change

8th February 2011, 16:58

My one hope for better Chinese American relations is between the people. Not the governments. It is true Americans built the railroads in the beginning of them and I am told took no land nor demand of sovereign rights like Britain. We have also been allies twice in war.

Do you know the story of the Dolittle raids on Tokyo? This was done totally as a morale booster for both China and the US. They trained bomber pilots to take off from air craft carriers. Something only experts could do. Then they fly to Tokyo and drop bombs but they cannot land on an air craft carrier. They must fly to China to land. Some didn't make it and ran out of fuel at sea. But those that did had hard landings. Many injuries and the Chinese were hiding on the coast waiting. Running down and rescuing the American men carrying them miles on stretchers into the interior. Hiding them at great risk from the Japanese and having to keep them safe for years until the Japanese retreated. Tokyo had been warned their time was coming.

I also know the rare history of the Great Chinese Fleet armada with these ships almost as big as modern destroyers sailed from China all alway around India, the Persian Gulf and Africa. They captured no one. They gifted everyone. They bought some stuff. And they made detailed records of what they found. Decided there was nothing out there worth doing or that they did not have at home. Went home peacefully and told their tales. i think that was like the 12 th century. I have to go thru a lot of papers to find it. One of those big historic deals the West does not acknowledge and maybe your people don't teach either. Interesting the only replicas I know of are in Dubai.

In the 40s and 50s America had not been taken over by the English yet. Now we are their face and thus the tensions between governments. Before, the people rather liked each other. If England had been in charge, Japan would have had a much tougher occupation because that is all the British knew which is why most of their empire hates them. Only those places they colonized mostly with their people can stand them. All her colonies have known the Anglo Saxon Mission. I was thrilled to see the British have to give up Hong Kong that the Chinese quietly waited their hundred years. And for all the fear mongering by Britain Hong Kong's return seemed to benefit everyone but the Man who is White.

jackovesk

8th February 2011, 17:15

Don't shoot the messenger, I know his info is questionable at the best of times! :peace:

Benjain Fulfords latest 02/07/2011

Weekly Geopolitical News and Analysis20110207:

"Much ado about China’s Hu; did he order Obama to resign or was Hu blackmailed? High level sources have provided us with a flurry of contradictory news about Chinese President Hu Jintao and what promises he extracted during his January visit to Washington. A high level CIA source has said the Washington establishment was forced to promise Hu that Obama would soon resign, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Reserve Board would be abolished and frozen funds would be released by March of this year in order to finance a new era."

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

write4change

8th February 2011, 17:38

This site remains interesting. Cayman, I am sorry I am not computer literate to cut and paste and do quotes. I love your explanations of what did exist, and still does exist. The Chinese have always had a unique since of consciousness. Though we cannot know your mind and experience of it, the attempt can be uplifting. I read the Good Earth at ten and it made a huge impression on me, the reverence of the land and what love expressed as endurance is.

Do you want to know what Ling saw here?

cayman

8th February 2011, 17:52

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........ There was also thousands of people still making handmade bricks. When asked why they were doing this and it would take ten years to do this way...they said they would only really need them in ten years, most of these older people using low tech would be dead then---what would they do with all the unemployed. We told them they could do it with modern equipment in ten months instead of ten years and they said time is not money here. Time is living to completion.
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Unfortunately, that's no longer the case. now, government promote 'Time is money'

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Do you want to know what Ling saw here?

Absolutely.
I'm trying to keep up with your pace

Annacarl

8th February 2011, 17:59

Cayman,
I love your post. Chinese have been given a bum rap here in the US.
Kind regards,
Anna

Calz

8th February 2011, 18:02

mrkumamon

9th February 2011, 02:26

First - as we know now from Charles (the elite' way of thinking) time is nothing for them. Something can happen right NOW, tomorrow or in the next several years OR don't happen at all because the DISINFORMATION as such is the Elite' favorite Game. Such kind of information has strong influence on people's mind and helps Them to control masses in a particular situation.

It's very profound thinking. and so the world is full of lies ,full of disinformation.Oh,I'm tired of this and wondering when we could have a true beautiful world

mrkumamon

9th February 2011, 02:51

That would be fun and I´m trying to learn the skill to access my past life experience, it is hard to find someone or some book to learn that skill in China. Any one can help me with that? may be some books?
Hi,Cayman,have you heard of the man hyponotist 廖阅鹏？ You can baidu it and find info about him.There's rumor that he can hypnotize people and help people access their past life

mrkumamon

9th February 2011, 03:02

You will need to operate through a proxy of some description.
I'd set up a linux a/c on a server somewhere outside China and then use the server to do what you do. You used to be able to set up linux a/cs on servers in Russia. Haven't looked at it for years.

If go the route of using a proxy list, those proxy servers will require using HTTP Proxy and not SOCKS Host. You put
the web address in HTTP Proxy: and the number they give in Port: If they don't provide a port number try 8080

AS I said I'd go down the first path. It is a much better method. I can't tell you were to find a unix a/c but they are out there.

What am I telling you this for Cayman, I thought all Chinese were good hackers.

Look at this link http://www.cotse.net/home.html

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cayman

9th February 2011, 07:42

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Ling was hugely proud of the fact she had direct descending from the family of the yellow han.

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yellow han? not sure what that mean

cayman

9th February 2011, 08:09

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Do you know the story of the Dolittle raids on Tokyo? This was done totally as a morale booster for both China and the US. They trained bomber pilots to take off from air craft carriers. Something only experts could do. Then they fly to Tokyo and drop bombs but they cannot land on an air craft carrier. They must fly to China to land. Some didn't make it and ran out of fuel at sea. But those that did had hard landings. Many injuries and the Chinese were hiding on the coast waiting. Running down and rescuing the American men carrying them miles on stretchers into the interior. Hiding them at great risk from the Japanese and having to keep them safe for years until the Japanese retreated. Tokyo had been warned their time was coming....

yes, that story is often told by movies and TV shows in China.

I also know the rare history of the Great Chinese Fleet armada with these ships almost as big as modern destroyers sailed from China all alway around India, the Persian Gulf and Africa. They captured no one. They gifted everyone. They bought some stuff. And they made detailed records of what they found. Decided there was nothing out there worth doing or that they did not have at home. Went home peacefully and told their tales. i think that was like the 12 th century. I have to go thru a lot of papers to find it. One of those big historic deals the West does not acknowledge and maybe your people don't teach either. Interesting the only replicas I know of are in Dubai.
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this is a well-known history in China, known as "Zheng He's Expedition", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He
http://baike.baidu.com/view/24124.htm
4420
between 1405-1433 A.D. this story is being used by official as a big deal example that: once upon a time, we had the most advanced-techs in the world. that's an ego booster often used in TV shows . To me, it is a good example and portal to inquire the answer of WHY we(Chinese) fail to become a explorer people?----that have huge meaning for both the future----especially many westerner now assuming China will "save the world"/"buy the world"---stuffs like that, this kind of thinking is unilateral and inadequate

Regardless what the governments/PTB try to manipulate and control, if we, as people, no matter Chinese, American, Japanese,English, have a mature and deeper understanding to each other, the stupid WARs should never happen.

cayman

9th February 2011, 08:36

Just remembered one important thing. Universal education had never been made available to people on a whole because the government thought if all the people were educated people they would want to read books all day.......

Actually, what they told you is a lie. the actual reason is simple: for thousands of years, the ruling class in China follow one rule---the less the people know, the easier they can be controlled---that's the same case around the world history. It has a simple sentence in Chinese: 读书越多越叛逆（more reading, more revolt）

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Kids would study by incentives and parent pressure but not by their own choice. I was told that very quickly all their fears of universal education turned out to be unfounded and if anything made students much more amenable to state planning.

Unfortunately, that's still the case, and get worse and worse.
For the last 60 years, The PRC's education system is so irresponsible and hypocritical, it will become a biggest cumbrance for China future developments.
In my personal opinion, from education point of view, I don't see how China will exceed USA/western world to become the No.1---so to speak.

cayman

9th February 2011, 11:51

cayman

9th February 2011, 11:57

Cayman,
I love your post. Chinese have been given a bum rap here in the US.
Kind regards,
Anna

Thank you, Anna. American have been given a bum rap here in China, too. Same as in many other countries
we should learn more and understand more with each other.

jackovesk

9th February 2011, 17:13

China’s poor treated to fake rice made from plastic: report

China's history with food safety is a rocky one, but even in the annals of robbery and abuse, this will go down in infamy.

Various reports in Singapore media have said that Chinese companies are mass producing fake rice made, in part, out of plastic, according to one online publication Very Vietnam.

The "rice" is made by mixing potatoes, sweet potatoes and plastic. The potatoes are first formed into the shape of rice grains. Industrial synthetic resins are then added to the mix. The rice reportedly stays hard even after being cooked.

The Korean-language Weekly Hong Kong reported that the fake rice is being sold in the Chinese town of Taiyuan, in Shaanxi province.

"A Chinese Restaurant Association official said that eating three bowls of this fake rice would be like eating one plastic bag. Due to the seriousness of the matter, he added that there would be an investigation of factories alleged to be producing the rice," Very Vietnam noted.

Unfortunately, it's not the first time fake rice has been sold in China, according to China's Global Times.

Previously, a company in Xi'an, Shaanxi Province had added flavoring to ordinary rice to synthesize "Wuchang rice," which is regarded to be the best rice in the country.

About 300,000 people were injured and at least six infants died in 2008 when Chinese milk and infant formula was found to be adulterated with melamine, which was thought to help the milk pass nutrition tests.

Later that year, melamine was also discovered in Chinese eggs.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/report-china-fake-rice-plastic/

Fake high quality rice allegedly produced using additives

http://www.globaltimes.cn/attachment/100714/e1aa5ca0d8.jpg

A Chinese television report has alleged that a company in Xi'an, Shaanxi Province has been producing a fake version of high-quality "Wuchang rice" by adding flavoring to ordinary rice.

"Wuchang" rice is usually produced in Wuchang, Heilongjiang Province, and is regarded as the country's top rice in terms of quality.
The price of real "Wuchang" rice is higher than ordinary rice. But the fake versions of this rice on sale in a Xi'an wholesale market, the largest grain wholesale market in Northwest China, is not more expensive than ordinary rice, and some stalls are even offering it for less than ordinary rice.

A reporter with China Central Television (CCTV) witnessed the production process of the fake "Wuchang" rice at Liuhongfu Rice Co. in Xi'an, and it was allegedly achieved by mixing the regular and inexpensive rice together with some flavoring. This process gives the cheaper rice a special aroma.
According to China's food regulations, food additives must not be used for the purpose of adulterating or attempting to hide the quality deficiencies of any types of food.

http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-07/551672.html