Is this becoming the all Charles forum

[plumr2007]

I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

[OneLittleFrog]

I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

Speaking as respectfully as I can here.....

I does seem Avalon has become the 'Charles the Messiah' site. I truly don't feel opposing viewpoints are welcome. Personally, I feel Avalon is being masterfully stroked to fall into this cultish, rapturous army -- going in completely the wrong direction. But that's just my viewpoint, and who's going to listen to a frog, anyway? :frog:

On the other hand, I've admired Bill for too long to completely reject his words -- and there's the rub, isn't it? Between trusting Bill and trusting my own spirit voices; well, I've gotta stick with the fam.....:)

BTW, I thought Missouri was the Show Me state? :)

[plumr2007]

BTW, I thought Missouri was the Show Me state?

Never heard of it! LOL

[mrmalco]

The answers are giving us Charles's profile. The questions are giving him this site's members' profile. My first thought has been that Bill has sat in front of Charles and seen something for himself of the man. So I'm trying to be patient. What it has shown IMO is that one main fuel of this site is curiosity and a longing for vicarious sensation. But there's a lot else. A lot of positive and compassionate emotion. And loads of humour. I've been wondering what the reaction will be when Charles simply isn't here any more. Will we return to our ever lengthening listings of all the evidence for something coming upon the world that we (and those on numerous other such sites) can never quite agree upon and never quite discern? Mumble, mumble ... he wanders away musing to himself.

[plumr2007]

OneLittleFrog don't feel that your viewpoints aren't welcome. They are as valid as anyones . If this forum were to get to that point I'd be gone so fast the wind would slam the door shut behind me. Peace!

BTW I really did know about Missouri. Its near Hawaii right?

[OneLittleFrog]

Thanks, plumr2007. I agree. :thumb:


BTW I really did know about Missouri. Its near Hawaii right?
In some universes, yes. :madgrin:

(I know you were kidding. :cool: )

[Sentience]

OneLittleFrog don't feel that your viewpoints aren't welcome. They are as valid as anyones . If this forum were to get to that point I'd be gone so fast the wind would slam the door shut behind me. Peace!

BTW I really did know about Missouri. Its near Hawaii right?

Well at least one member has been shown the exit door for not toeing the Charles party line. Dangerous precident if you ask me. I remain unconvinced but have purposefully refrained from taking part in the discussion as It feels as frog has said that dissenting opinions will not be tolerated.

[sepia]

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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

[GK76]

I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

You will never 'know' what his true intentions are until you decide... to begin, much comes down to belief until you have an understanding as to where his material fits (or doesn't fit) into your life.
You question why people are falling over themselves to ask questions... it's so we get close enough to knowing to satisfy the sceptic in us, and to advance or end the situation. To have the opportunity to ask questions, yet not take it, would be ridiculous - especially for the most sceptical.

The journey has just begun - time will tell; until then I'll keep an open mind (but not too open so my brain falls out). :)

[greybeard]

As said on another thread. Since Charles arrived the the number of clicks on "The Ego what is it how to transcend it" thread has doubled.
So it hasn't become the all Charles forum.

I am not the body or mind so while I am interested in and care for the people on this forum, I realise all too well that life is short and to be enjoyed, responsibly.
Do what you can but there is an ultimate Authority I trust Him.

The advice put no head above your own is respectful as I put no head below mine either,
People dont know more than anyone else they just know different stuff so it depends what you are attracted to or fel you need.

Im attracted to Search ye first the kingdom of Heaven and this too shall be added to you.
Im laying up treasure in Heaven.
I believe Jesus when he said
The Father is within me and I m within the Father. We are waves of the Divine Ocean and to that Ocean for sure we all return.
We are eternal beings having a human experience.
Love all serve all.

Chris

[meeradas]

Do what you can but there is an ultimate Authority I trust Him.
Thanks, Chris.

"Look within" is the key.

[Innerbliss]

Is it just me or is Charles quite vague in most of his answers??

[firstlook]

Whatever you make of the material, it certainly has exposed alot of questions people have. If only one good thing to know, is that people are thinking.

:)

[Lettherebelight]

The answers that Charles can answer, he has, with quite a bit of detail in most cases.
Think about how he has described his Master, the process of being questioned by the council of 33. The 'machine' etc. If he is the real deal, then he has told us loads.
Some questions he doesn't know the answer to, and he admits that. Some questions he can't answer because it's classified. He's probably got other things to do as well, so all things considered, he's given us a lot more air time than any other witness.
We're in unchartered waters here. Let's listen to see which way the wind blows...
Love to you

[eris23]

I am new to the forum and although I have been watching the avalon/camelot interviews for a few years, just decided to join on account of the Charles material. There is so much to read through on all these threads that I have not felt like posting unless I can think of something new to contribute. There is something very compelling about it all. I have also enjoyed the other topics on the forum.

Louise

[Gone001]

Its kind of funny; your concerns are about the Forum becoming centered around Charles, so you go and start a thread about Charles? Makes sense to me :rolleyes:. If you don't trust the guy then just keep this saying in mind "Keep your friends close and your enemy's even closer". Either way your gaining perspective so I don't really see the problem.

[Garry Irwin]

Well at least one member has been shown the exit door for not toeing the Charles party line. Dangerous precident if you ask me. I remain unconvinced but have purposefully refrained from taking part in the discussion as It feels as frog has said that dissenting opinions will not be tolerated.


It's not what you say but how you say it.
That was why the person in question was shown the door.
I'm all for fair open-minded debate, but some cross the line and then it degenerates into a slanging match.
That kind of abuse may be acceptable on you-tube, but this is Project Avalon and we're a little more civilised here.

Having said that... By Charles' admission we know that he "creates division", that's what he does. I see a division here... Mission accomplished?

[Agape]

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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.


Apologies to you Sepia, it's not for the good work you've done..

but I find this all flood over forums an easy take lesson about how can be people skilfully manipulated to become followers of any cult of truth in this world,

if the material is presented 'the right way'.

Bill has done the most work about it, the lads heart maybe as pure as innocent but things he speaks about, both reality and fiction,
many have spoken about and could never prove.

Dragging 'His Masters Feet' into this domain is another proof for the upper echelon on how easy it is for Bill to manipulate a crowd of people.

I find ridiculous to observe how anyone, I say anyone, is bowing their heads to an unknown Master and his alleged disciple after few days of promotion,

just because 'Bill said' . It's a mastership of his own, that can't be denied, large following of people..


I would not dare to do this , not to my teachers, not to calling in others to follow but again,

I'm not what you call , exactly 'human' in my nature. I find lots of things odd and crazy and examining people, trusting them , being friends takes long time to me here .



Be your own Masters, anyway, is more correct.



Till we can find a common grounds :love:

[bluestflame]

I believe what we are now experiencing , and many are drawing attention to , in thier own way , is commonly referred to, as a "period of adjustment "

[Agape]

I believe what we are now experiencing , and many are drawing attention to , in thier own way , is commonly referred to, as a "period of adjustment "

People are generally fond of 'experiencing' something they believe to lead them somewhere else than they are ..
they call it 'hope'..

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

At the moment, the "Charles" dialogue is the most compelling and interesting on the forum - with the most thoughtful questions and measured response. He reminds me of a traveler from a place that I haven't been. I question him about what he has seen and experienced. What I do with the information is up to me. Since we achieve mastery by practice - others can only give us guidance or perhaps suggest a tool. If people don't want to listen, they don't have to. Acting in an arrogant and disrespectful way doesn't really "prove" anything. To those people reading for information, it can be tiresome. Namaste.

[OneLittleFrog]

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Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

How can someone say so much with so few words? :hug: thank you sepia...



I believe what we are now experiencing , and many are drawing attention to , in thier own way , is commonly referred to, as a "period of adjustment "

Feels more like a "period of Assimilation," as in, "Resistance is futile, you WILL be Assimilated!" (don't we have a trekkie smilie?) :)


Aldous, you're missing the point -- obviously there's no avoiding the Charles issue, the question is, are all of the threads only for the messianic faithful, or are Doubting Thomases allowed to post our concerns too? (If we promise to stay civil? ;))

Agape, my heart goes out to you. I send you and Barry my love. I'm sure MANY others here feel the same. :grouphug:

Upanatom - :thumb: at your "Mission Accomplished" statement.

:frog:

Edit: thanks ahamkara for making my point so perfectly. If we 'Doubting Thomases' don't fall into line with the worshipful, we're arrogant, disrespectful, and tiresome......:( thanks.......

[DeBron]

All things new are exciting. He is as important as we all are. If it weren't on this forum this would be somewhere else. No better place than this to discern what is sincere and what is mischievous.

[unplugged]

Is it just me or is Charles quite vague in most of his answers??

Utterly so. One could say Charles elevates vagueness into an edifice of frothy air.

[LM-R]

The problem is people will be people (so we shouldn't judge on that)
Bandwagons come and go that's life.
Charles may have SOME answers, but not one person i believe has them all, It's just to big.
When someone has answers people will naturally ask questions.

What you do with the answers is far more important.

[applecrusher1992]

No matter what happens we are going to need to help ourselves and that is the most important thing we all can remember. Take the information as it is even though Charles admits that some of his information is not 100% accurate. If we are looking to become a force to help those gain knowledge about the truth of the world we must challenge ourselves. The best way to challenge us is to bring division. What does not break makes us stronger so even if we still have division that only adds to our strength if we stay unified. I actually like the fact that not everyone agrees because than we would become like those who live in ignorance around us. I am trying to keep an open mind and at the same time realize that he is not the Messiah to save us and is human like the rest of us.

[jeannacav]

I am in agreement with most of the posts here.
And,
I would like to add that what I find distressing is that people are asking Charles questions that they should be asking a spiritual adept!!
He was a hit man, for crying out loud!
Now, I know it is very possible for someone to change, and it is possible that Charles has changed, but even so, he is not someone who has a lot of experience with the higher spiritual parts of himself. That just takes more than 6 months. (yeah, time.)

I am seriously concerned that there is a hidden agenda in all this. The idea that this is an interview is not a comforting thought.
I have not even looked in today, so all my comments are based on posts up to last night server upgrade.

thank you all,

jeanna

[Star Gazer]

What gives me pause with regards to the Charles Material is the amount of faith required. I think it may be taking our focus away from more important issues. What might we miss while we are enamored with this novel information?

[ASIA]

Its kind of funny; your concerns are about the Forum becoming centered around Charles, so you go and start a thread about Charles? Makes sense to me :rolleyes:. If you don't trust the guy then just keep this saying in mind "Keep your friends close and your enemy's even closer". Either way your gaining perspective so I don't really see the problem.

Dear Aldous, not all are adept of the saying " Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer ".
To live according to this precept one have to live in apprehension or fear. No, not all are willing to live a life watching their back permanently. No, not all ( even here on Avalon ) resonate with Charles information and they have the right to speak out and express their opinion. And it is not because one do not trust the guy ( as you said ), it is because one chose to detach, deliberately, from problem-reaction-solution reality / consciousness, from the hierarchical, fragmented reality. He is telling truth. His truth. His reality. And I choose to follow my reality - when enemies does not exist.

As you know well, dear Aldous, on the Charles thread we can now, only post the questions for Charles, ( or to be delated ), so those who wish to exchange the ideas about Atticus material or other issues gather on parallels threads. Where is the problem?

ASIA

[kcw_one]

It seems to be all part of the low-end drama to me. If this Charles fella is who he says he is, and if he does indeed work for the folks he says he does, he is still way down the food chain. These so called "masters" are a segment of the humans who have been decieved into believing that they have some measure of power, IMO. They themselves serve a purpose for their master, who could be any ET or inter-dimensional race. To me, all of this focus on Charlie's stories are yet another distraction. There is so much going on beyond these power-plays and manipulations and mind control dramas. In my opinion, these MASTERS or whatnot are serving their purpose marvelously,, namely to make this earth feel like a crappy place to be that everyone wants to escape from. It'll make loading up those "rescue" ships a cinch, with multitude of willing applicants.

If this kind of thing is your path, then I guess have at 'er and dig right in. If not, then I echo what others have said: LOOK WITHIN.

[Brandie]

I guess I have to make some posts in order to be able to do other things here at some point... So here is my humble opinion on this subject:

Charles is fascinating, no doubt. He is in his own way offering what he feels he can offer in the way of a view the rest of us might never have otherwise had. I have been as they call it a "lurker" lol for a while, and have followed both Camelot and Avalon for four years without feeling the way I have in viewing what Charles has said. I have been VERY VERY thrilled by many of the various interviews they have done. Love the stuff!

However, that said, I for some reason feel as if I just "get" The unusual nature of the Charles presentation. I no way have any claim to know what he is saying is or is not true at present, but I do understand the way in which he is communicating with others here. It is "a way" in which many are apparently not accustomed to, but it is just his way of communicating information. If a person disagrees with Charles it appears to me they are welcome to do so, so long as their "way" is to do so respectfully. Emotionally charged topic for many people, yes, granted... But perhaps trying to get past the difference in communication styles and methods to the core of what he may be offering you will allow clarity to ring though when you are reading his answers so that you are able to reach a clear understanding of what it is he is actually sharing with you. Then if you think it is not true, or something is not making sense try to understand more fully why you think so and state it respectfully.

With respect any alternative information provided by anyone is controversial~ ESPECIALLY when it is something new to you which indicates the opportunity to learn just that~ something NEW. I like listening to new ideas and information even when I consider it and find I do not agree with it personally... I am always VERY thankful to have had the opportunity to have a new point of view to consider! :)

With respect to the "personality cult" mentality... it happened to the Beatles and all they did to spark it was make good music! ;)

Charles is not responsible for how others choose to allow themselves to respond to information he is providing. Whatever plan he may have; I, for one, am extremely pleased to have the OPPORTUNITY (because that is exactly what it is, and may or may not be here for us to lean from for long) to hear what he has to say and learn from it. If I find I do not agree that will be o.k. too. :) Each is responsible for themselves. If any take an 'unbalanced' approach the responsibility for that person's choice of approach is not on Charles' shoulders. The cautious approach; in seeming overprotective of him, by Bill is a good idea considering the potential weight and value of the material Charles is sharing with him. This is no less than huge no matter what the "agenda" could be, and I think Bill is doing an excellent job in keeping a bit of a buffer zone. If what this man says is true, it must be understood how big of a deal it is that this man is even willing to communicate with everyone, because he certainly does not have to. Self serving or not... let's listen to him. That does not mean you have to bow down to him. Just treat him as you would wish to be treated... with at least a semi- open mind I presume. ?

If the way I share my thoughts offends, it is not intended that way. It is just they way they reasoning goes on in my mind, and how I am able to communicate it as clearly as possible. Everyone has something of value to share, so let's all learn. I know I still have lot's of that to do myself! ;)

Here's to keepin' it short ey! LOL.

Nice to meet you all! Good day!:p

[Moemers]

Charles is probably just a higher dimensional projection of the answer to all our questions and recent cries for help.

He's done nothing but bring more people into Avalon and make people question and get together to discuss.

Kinda like a 21st century Burning Bush. Not the end all itself, but a sure fire sign post.

[Sowelu]

Theres a few reasons i feel he's for real on this and I haven't seen or read all of his stuff to its entirety yet, but i have seen enough of the details floating around here to get a general synopsis

1) he doesnt want all the xtra attention, hes not promoting meeting up and paying him large amounts of money
2) This isn't his own website, most self proclaimed "gurus" would not look for an already established community, nor would they seek out knowledgable people, it's be so much easier to go to your closest christian church and claim to be the "matreiya" as many already have, and have them "donate" to your cause to get your words out there (like the raelian cult)
3) He's not asking us to do anything except keep on searching, if he was an attention seeker he would be out and about spilling every little detail possible, and using his followers in any way possible.
He's being very strategic about what he says and doesn't say as one who's restricted might do.

again just my opinion, but if you look back at any cult they always wanted something in return, sex, money, or material things. I might also add he knew exactly where to look. a regular loony wouldn've known about a place like avalon, they'd be parading around in a yahoo chat room or on facebook, something accessable and easy to find.

[Anchor]

I am in agreement with most of the posts here.
And,
I would like to add that what I find distressing is that people are asking Charles questions that they should be asking a spiritual adept!!
He was a hit man, for crying out loud!
Now, I know it is very possible for someone to change, and it is possible that Charles has changed, but even so, he is not someone who has a lot of experience with the higher spiritual parts of himself. That just takes more than 6 months. (yeah, time.)

I am seriously concerned that there is a hidden agenda in all this. The idea that this is an interview is not a comforting thought.


Jeanna, I hear that, your concern will resonate with many.

People will ask questions until they get answers.

I don't think anyone said Charles was a "hit-man" as such (not bullet in the back of the head style anyway), he is a manipulator who fixes problems through what I suppose could be called social engineering. Many comments have been made that this still could be what is going on, on this forum - personally I think what has happened on the forum so far is typical and normal - lots of people. To soon to tell.

I think things like what is happening on the forum now goes in waves. Back on PA1 around the time of the election - there was a time when the forum was nothing but "pro" or "against" Obama. It passed. As will this - it is not sustainable. Either Charles finally starts putting together some information that makes a good story and satisfies the masses- or it passes the way of most internet meme spikes. In the mean time, there is plenty else of interest on this forum. I have some questions in the pot for Charles too when he gets around to it. In my case I think he is the real deal - but what does this change? I await further information. I am more interested in if there are structured and tangible steps to approaching harmony in the world, than whether or not sharks can have "frikking lasers" on their heads !

I just accept that there is a wide diversity now of reader on this forum. Its not the old clique it used to be - it is a new one!

I did (and still do) have my concerns for the forum - but especially heightened at the beginning of this scenario. I think the way Bill is handling it so far (in so far as what I know and have seen in public) has been exceptional. I still see this situation as great opportunity to turn into something significant.

Finally, I made my views on Internet Cults very clear in a well received thread on the old Project Avalon 1 forum [ http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20609 ] I was going to copy it onto this forum, but I am worried that it would be interpreted as an accusation against Charles. If you read the thread there some of you could be forgiven for thinking I was somekind of freaking fortune teller at the moment. You will note that many of the follow-up comments were from people who are now either moderators or administrators of the extant Project Avalon - and so I am assured that the team knows what it is about. Whilst there are a lot of similarities to my model of cult evolution - we are not deep into what I would call stage 3.

John..

[modwiz]

The answers are giving us Charles's profile. The questions are giving him this site's members' profile. My first thought has been that Bill has sat in front of Charles and seen something for himself of the man. So I'm trying to be patient. What it has shown IMO is that one main fuel of this site is curiosity and a longing for vicarious sensation. But there's a lot else. A lot of positive and compassionate emotion. And loads of humour. I've been wondering what the reaction will be when Charles simply isn't here any more. Will we return to our ever lengthening listings of all the evidence for something coming upon the world that we (and those on numerous other such sites) can never quite agree upon and never quite discern? Mumble, mumble ... he wanders away musing to himself.

Hopefully when he leaves, things will never be the same as they were or he will have been nothing but entertainment and an enrollment booster. He is disturbing us, as one disturbs the sediment in clear water. If we remain unchanged it will be time to gaze deeply into the mirror. That way any finger pointing will be aimed in the right direction.

[modwiz]

I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

Hello. I am from the Bronx also. 1953-1983. We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar. I don't know about you but getting to ask him questions seems a very good way to examine him more closely. This fishbowl called Avalon is exposing to all within its' parameters and we all get to see and be seen. Yes there are unidentified eyes, in which case it is wise to present what you want seen. It is our own fingers on the keyboard and only lack of self control exhibits more then one desires. Feinting is well know to our boxing friend and even an opponents awareness of it avails them little comfort......They have to figure out what is real and what is not, before it hits them.
Lastly, be mindful of the web you weave at least as much as the one you enter.
:spider:
Modwiz

[skyflower]

I've been watching, reading quietly. No one can know for sure whether Charles is for "real" or not.
I think it is too early to make that call. So I watch this drama unfold.
People are asking a lot of questions, and I think that is good.

I see that Charles is not here to hand us an answer.
Hand out a box, and everyone gets a box.

Inspire, and you get all shapes and colors.

We've all been there. The moment the light hit us. I remember my "teacher" telling me all sorts of information to no avail. Now that I look back, it must've been quite frustrating.
It was only when I came up with my own solution, discovered by my own eyes, colored by my own mind, that the light finally hit.
The teacher patiently just nudged me along.

Haven't you all at some point tried to share what you know to your family and friends?
I did at the beginning. I soon learned to keep my mouth shut. But I also don't hold back to those who ask me the correct questions.
The questions one asks, shows the level of truth one is ready for.

When Charles is being vague, that is an answer. When he says no, that is also an answer. This whole thing is a big puzzle, and a picture will soon emerge.
Until then, hold back your final judgment, be courteous, have fun, and above all, be inspired.

What the worst that can happen? that he is not the "real" thing, and that we've all been taken for a ride. But in that ride, we've been forced to think outside the box.
thinking outside the box has always been a catalyst to something good. ;)

Let your instinct (inner person, higher self) be your guide.

Peace to you all~

[Hughe]

Dear Aldous, not all are adept of the saying " Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer ".
To live according to this precept one have to live in apprehension or fear. No, not all are willing to live a life watching their back permanently. No, not all ( even here on Avalon ) resonate with Charles information and they have the right to speak out and express their opinion. And it is not because one do not trust the guy ( as you said ), it is because one chose to detach, deliberately, from problem-reaction-solution reality / consciousness, from the hierarchical, fragmented reality. He is telling truth. His truth. His reality. And I choose to follow my reality - when enemies does not exist.

As you know well, dear Aldous, on the Charles thread we can now, only post the questions for Charles, ( or to be delated ), so those who wish to exchange the ideas about Atticus material or other issues gather on parallels threads. Where is the problem?

ASIA

Yeap. Charles' threads turn weird. It seems he becomes a teacher in grade twelve school.

Bill is a wise man. I think probably Charles is an authentic individual whose life experience is extraordinary. It might attracts more eyes. Honestly it all comes down one's perspective at any given moment. The 33s are just a fly on back of the elephant considering the time scale of human race on Earth since the beginning. It's based on my knowledge anyway of human history.

[ThePythonicCow]

Well at least one member has been shown the exit door for not toeing the Charles party line. I doubt that is an accurate statement of the reason for asking whomever it was to leave.

[bluestflame]

it's more about disruptive elemement i rekon

[SKAWF]

if he's genuine (which we'll find out sooner rather than later) then whats going on right now on this forum is entirely justified as its a massive situation. if not, then there will be a few red faces around.
that said, there have been a few positives already. ive found it interesting that when he first arrived, EVERYONE had an opinion. most (forgive the wording) from what i saw took the oppurtunity to wax on about their own belief systems. but when it came to us having to put aside our predjudices, feelings and beliefs to actually deal with an entirely new situation, i found that a few people, had very little to offer!, like if you strip someone of their belief system, there isnt that much left of them.
Personally speaking if i was in a boxing ring, and the deal was that i'd get punched once, then given a bit of wisdom, i would let someone knock the living s**t out of me because the wisdom is far more valuable than bad feelings about getting punched and for that reason i'll continue to engage with it just to see where it all goes.
i dont think he has a problem with questions or doubt, but i do think that spewing negativity into the process serves no useful purpose. its probably better to observe what happens while reserving judgement

[truthseekerdan]

Charles has a definitive role, and that is to keep the 'illusion alive' so that we can experience and learn from 'our mistakes'. Don't let that be too much of a distraction though... Just my point of view. ;)

Namaste ~ Dan

http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr82/marianinia2008/spiritual/be_still.jpg

[Icecold]

Every question I asked was on a 'taboo' list....at least for now. The fact that these things remained unanswered told me a lot more than the answers would have done. I'm watching and waiting.
I understand jeannacav's concerns. I think she is right in this, he represents dark interests and that's a fact. He is also by his own admission a bad boy, that's not a bad thing BTW, there is a higher knowledge of good and evil being non-existent. Labelling people either way and you can guarantee you won't be close to the truth. There is only being, without labels.

AUM is the symbol of Creation - Sustenance - Destruction. Between ideas of good and evil is life. The two wings are just processes marking life or being.

Advice to members is not to judge anything yet, just watch and learn. Something is definitely unfolding. Let's see what the flower looks like after it unfurls.

[Monitor]

In my opinion ......I smell a Trojan Horse! Project Avalon has been hijacked...

[dddanieljjjamesss]

i seem to remember something about dragons, and an old forum splitting in half....

i don't need charles' information, i have plenty of my own

[viscountvlad]

By Charles' admission we know that he "creates division", that's what he does. I see a division here... Mission accomplished?


Difference of opinion does not mean division. I have only been a member of this community for a short while but I feel that there is alot of love and respect between it's members. I think we can respect the beliefs of others and remain strong as a whole.

personally I want to watch and wait to see how things develop Charles wise, my mind is far from made up.

love

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I really hope this is all true. I have seen too many scenarioes that are almost identical turn out to be fake. The "Source A" fiasco on open minds forum and the "Hidden hand bloodline" thread on god like productions forums spring to mind. Perhap some online demo of physic powers or something between charles and the members? I really want this to be true and for something to come of it. I hope its not py-ops. No disrespect intended. :)

[blackatiam]

Self serving or not... let's listen to him. That does not mean you have to bow down to him. Just treat him as you would wish to be treated... with at least a semi- open mind I presume. ?

It is ok if what Charles is presenting to us does not reasonate with you, you have every right not to listen or consider what he is saying. Be free!! However, I think it is rude to insult our "guest" while he is in our midst. That's just bad manners.

[jamjar99]

I wonder...if Charles was discredited in the future (and I'm not saying he will be, just playing devils advocate) could that be mission accomplished for the controllers?

They saw how 'dangerous' Bill was to their plans in revealing information they would rather remain hidden. So they sent someone in to build everyone's hopes up (almost to hysteria) and then when it crashes, the project is discredited and people walk away. Job done. I have no evidence for this, just a thought. I am still completely open minded about Charles.

[silentghost80]

I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

why would you assume everyone is falling all over there selves ? there is a large number of people just watching and waiting !

[Gone001]

Aldous, you're missing the point -- obviously there's no avoiding the Charles issue, the question is, are all of the threads only for the messianic faithful, or are Doubting Thomases allowed to post our concerns too? (If we promise to stay civil? ;))

OneLittleFrog- I'm not missing the point I just have a difference of opinion. No were near "all of the threads" are dedicated to the man it's simply what is garnering the most "buzz" right now, but be my guest post your concerns it's not my forum.


Dear Aldous, not all are adept of the saying " Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer ".
To live according to this precept one have to live in apprehension or fear. No, not all are willing to live a life watching their back permanently. No, not all ( even here on Avalon ) resonate with Charles information and they have the right to speak out and express their opinion. And it is not because one do not trust the guy ( as you said ), it is because one chose to detach, deliberately, from problem-reaction-solution reality / consciousness, from the hierarchical, fragmented reality. He is telling truth. His truth. His reality. And I choose to follow my reality - when enemies does not exist.

As you know well, dear Aldous, on the Charles thread we can now, only post the questions for Charles, ( or to be deleted ), so those who wish to exchange the ideas about Atticus material or other issues gather on parallels threads. Where is the problem?

ASIA

Dear Asia from France

Well that's your unique view isn't it? That saying to me doesn't at all require "living in apprehension of fear". I suppose this differs from person to person, to me it makes more sense to calmly and patiently observe and do your homework in preparation. I think that the false flag E.T. event WILL take place and I'm not at all "living in apprehension of fear", quite the opposite, however, maybe not everyone feels the same way. Thus we see the split, it would seem every cell undergoes mitosis (or are some of us learning what we can and just waiting to see what unfolds?? hmm). Are you surprised you can't "exchange the ideas about Atticus material or other issues gather on parallels threads" in the questions for Charles only thread? Come on now your more intelligent then that. Yes some posts and threads got taken down but that was due to the, lets politely say "low quality" of said post's and threads. I still don't see the point of this thread myself for reasons I've expressed, but of course you have the right to have it (which I never argued dear girl) and as long as you all stay civil and intelligent then I suppose you shall, so smile ;) .

Cheers,

Aldous

[joedjemal]

I asked my cards about all this last night. Charles came out as the knight of swords, his master as the hierophant and the reason for being here is the moon (The devil kept on popping up too which means bondage) Apparently the question he's looking for is about the tower.

Wierdly enough, despite this the outcome is positive. (the sun)

My cards are usually right (But they have been known to misdirect) I went over this repeatedly for an hour or so and the same cards kept popping up in the same places however I shuffled.

[modwiz]

I asked my cards about all this last night. Charles came out as the knight of swords, his master as the hierophant and the reason for being here is the moon (The devil kept on popping up too which means bondage) Apparently the question he's looking for is about the tower.

Wierdly enough, despite this the outcome is positive. (the sun)

My cards are usually right (But they have been known to misdirect) I went over this repeatedly for an hour or so and the same cards kept popping up in the same places however I shuffled.

Interesting cards, thanks for the reading. With regards to the devil and bondage...did you not witness many willing to bind/offer themselves to whatever was needed? Fairly well represented energy by my observation. And Charles as the Knight of swords dividing as he says he does. His master as Hierophant? Amazing reading joedjemal. Thank you again for sharing.

[Scott]

Is this becoming the all Charles forum

It will be if members keep posting threads with the name "Charles" in it :)

Seriously, what Avalon is among other things is a very large database of information on many topics, take a moment to look around.
The Charles information is new but Avalon is not a 1 trick pony there are so many things to read on Avalon you could spend literally months on the site and never click any Charles thread.

Besides "Its just a ride" Bill Hicks

[The One]

Remember no one person can ever change the truth, but the truth, once learned, can and will change the person.

If you don't design your own life plan, chances are you'll fall into someone else's plan. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much

[Fructedor]

Hi folks

I believe that the first and most important thing we have to learn is to trust ourselves – our own intuitions, our own capacities, our own intelligence, and the truth that our potential is amazingly more vast than we imagined – this is something we slowly discover as we go. It’s a joyful though often hard-won discovery, and nourishes the work we have to do, whatever it is. No-one really knows the job the Universe built us to do except we ourselves. Being human, we often need guidance, though, and this we gather from everything around us – and must weigh in our own hearts as to its validity for us. The mix is different for everyone.

At first, when I started reading all the Charles materials, I was staggered at the chaotic deluge of comments and questions, many of which seemed to me pointless. But now I think like this – I’m truly moved by the variety of different interests expressed, all of which bear witness to a deep understanding in all of us that we are here to co-operate in building a new and better world. The time is now. Depending on who we are, we want – need - to learn about free energy, ET’s, spiritual development, the Pyramids, the Illuminati and so on – an infinite spectrum of the desire to serve. I believe that’s what’s important.

I’ve watched the Chill and Barley videos three times each, and have to say that I can’t sense a desire to lead anyone astray – my feeling is that Charles is who he says he is – his answers may seem annoyingly vague to some, but he’s often talking about concepts that are very difficult for us to understand – first of all, how far removed his own life experiences are from our own. And let’s not forget that we are growing out of a world of deliberate confusion and dark lies, and it takes a while for us to get used to new realisations. Unlearning stuff can be really difficult – how hard was it for people to accept Galileo when they’d ‘known’ for ever that the sun circled the earth, or for some Catholics to accept that maybe the Pope isn’t infallible?

I’ve been brewing this for a few days, sleepless nights, tortuous dreams, and may well need to share more with you. But I have to say I believe this – forget the use of the word ‘Master’ in any archaic religious sense – whatever else is happening, these events are proving to be a strong catalyst for all of us. If we come to Bill or Charles, or Krishnamurti or anyone else hoping that they will provide us with an answer that only needs two minutes in the micro-wave, we‘re in for a nasty surprise. Dropping to our knees won’t help. Never did.

Here’s my comment on that.

EMERGENCY UPDATE
SPOON-FEEDING NOW OBSELETE.
CONFIDENCE!

I hope this offends no-one, it’s a bit chaotic.

Best fraternal wishes

Fructedor

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Plus - I have no questions for Charles, at least for now - that worried me for a while, but not any more. And it doesn't mean I can't learn from what he shares - and indeed, what everyone else shares.

CONFIDENCE!

Best wishes

Fructedor

[modwiz]

Great post Fructedor

Modwiz

[Garry Irwin]

Difference of opinion does not mean division.

In my book difference of opinion ultimately means division.
For an example of such one only needs to look at monotheist religion where there are a multitude of off-shoots all with their own interpretations and peculiar ways.
This is division caused by a difference of opinion at work.
It's happening here too.
The PTB, controllers... whatever you want to call them are masters of divide and conquer, having used this technique for millennia.
We fall for it every time.
Just my opinion and I know you respect that as I do yours.
Meanwhile, let's wait for the other shoe to drop.
Peace.

[Fructedor]

Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

I thought the Bronx was the **** YOU state - has my TV been lying?

[Lunar]

Hi peeps, this is the first time I've posted on this forum but have been following Camelot/Avalon for some time now. I'd just like to offer my opinions on Charles. I am confused by him, as I dislike him as a person, however, what he has to say about the machine (I wonder if Dr Pete Peterson could shed any light on this 'machine') is very interesting - the most interesting part, for me, about his interview and would love to know more details - could Charles offer those? I do think he is genuine (despite my misgivings about his final motivations of coming to Avalon) but I also feel that what he thinks he knows may be distorted (purposely by others or by his own mind?). I dislike how he uses the term "women at his disposal" and then in threads on this forum apparently points to women as being the key - massive contradiction in terms there, which makes me wonder whether there are some red herrings in his interview. I also wonder whether his assertions for coming to Avalon in the first place (because this machine has changed in somehow) is a euphemism for I am going to die soon and I would like to repent - he is a bit of a Himmler character to me. I truly hope, though, that Bill's ego isn't being massaged by Charles. However, I trust Bill and hope that Bill has seen and heard something else that we haven't and so I remain open minded but suspicous.

[modwiz]

I thought the Bronx was the **** YOU state - has my TV been lying?

Yeah the Bronx is heavy on the **** you. Big time. Sentences begin and end in ****. Good call. The Bronx is whatever they want it to be. or else............**** YOU! LOL

[DawgBone]

Is this becoming the all Charles forum?

I don't see this happening. Charles and his information, if genuine, are truly unique. The forum is responding with curiosity and respect. I don't see any bended knees here.

Avalonians, in general, are bright, knowledgable, independently thinking people. That's what makes this an interesting place.

and

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." (Nothing personal, Charles)

[modwiz]

Is this becoming the all Charles forum?

I don't see this happening. Charles and his information, if genuine, are truly unique. The forum is responding with curiosity and respect. I don't see any bended knees here.

Avalonians, in general, are bright, knowledgable, independently thinking people. That's what makes this an interesting place.

and

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." (Nothing personal, Charles)

I think he needs a new title an acronym like hwmnbn which stands for "he who must not be named". Got the idea from Scott the mod.

[Nela]

Charles is here as a representative of our NOBLE ADVERSARY and regardless of what he and those behind him state as a reason for this communication, they are here so that we can learn.
We have asked for certain knowledge, and we have been served. That does not have anything to do with their intent, this is a Law of Free Will at works. Whenever level of awareness increase, the level of illusion drops. As that happen, they ("dark side") are obliged to provide information- to put it out in to the open, so that those who seek can find it. It does not have anything to do with their willingnes to do so, they are operating under the laws as the rest of the creation. Apart from the information pertaining to 3D world events (less important), for those who have eyes to see, they are providing more valuable information on the following:
- Our imprisonment is best described in the words of Don Huan in one of Castaneda books- they managed to enslave us by "giving us their mind". Thanks to communication with Charles we can see how easy we get caught up in the "mind" and "logic" of the dark- just check responses to the subject of "overpopulation" problem- many people just jumped on thinking how we can decrease population. The only difference is that we would not do that by "killing people", but we would impose restriction to their rights to determine for themselves how many children they would have!!!! So, in DARK AGENDA, we do not have a problem with the AGENDA, we would only make it less DARK. This is not a different way of thinking, this is only a different shade of darkness. This is "mind" versus "heart": reverence for our own life and life of all beings in this world and other worlds. And note one thing- Charles have just stated their view of the world- he didn't forced anything, we jumped on that vagon just like that! This is how they control, and this is how we give our consent to their control. And the Law of Free Will is always respected.
Here also we can became aware that by following their line of thinking we are calling forth more control and more externally imposed rules, versus being governed by our own internal sense and moral code imprinted in our souls (and allow other souls to exercise the same right).
-"They" are reflection of us- we all have a little "controler" inside us. We all have this sense of entitlement (are we really discussing ways to cancell someone's right to live or to decide how many children they are going to have? Yes, we are. And we consider ourselves "awake"). Finding this and other "dark spots" within our own minds and hearts and releasing them is the only way to the freedom. So this is the opportunity for which we have to give gratitude and SALUTE our adversary.
- In this communication we can also see the diferentiation- there are those who are choosing to transcedent this type of existance and intend to create a new world (and those are aware that a whole new set of ideas will mark this new world)- which makes them less intereseted in 3D events and how they will transpire. Eyes and ears of those people are atuned to different music and they are searching for different clues on how to advance on their intended path. So, from the same communication, they will percieve different things and they will percieve behind the face value of the words.
There are those souls who just wants their world, 3d world to become better and life less distorted. And finally, there are those who are awakening and making choices toward the dark side. All choices are valid and OK, the worst think would be staying asleep and not making any choice, but those people would not be on any forum like this one.

[bluestflame]

or "the symbol "

nah , hang on , the artist formerly known as prince bagged that one

[steve_a]

Hi Modwiz,

"We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar." This of course, and quite rightly, puts Bill on the line. If Charles is found out to be a hoax all of Bills' credibility will go down the pike.

One thing is for sure, the reaction has been intense with the presence of this Charles fellow, with numerous sign ups of new members in December and January alone, and a huge amount of interaction in the Charles threads. Just to unravel that will take some time. That being said it would be interesting to get another 'partial' from Bill to see where he thinks all of this is going, if he still would put his hand in the fire.

As I understand it, Kerry had reservations about the whole of this, even up to the point of trying to have a debate for publication which, "burned down very much like the twin towers". Perhaps a further declaration from her would be well due. It's obvious that she is also privvy to certain information that the plebs are not. Could she throw some light over the subject?

Best regards,

Steve

[TWINNICK]

There are some wise words on here, this is good and no I don't think Atticus will take over Avalon forum.

There is a huge amount of info on this forum to do with all sorts of things and subjects, thanks Bill and everyone for all your work.

..Nick..

[Hawkwind]

Well, to the extent that most discussions are now centered around the subject of Charles, yes- it is. Given the potential importance of what is going on, I think that is perfectly justifiable. If Charles is what he says he is and is doing what he says he's doing then we have a game changing opportunity here.
Avalon came into existence as a means to help each other in our individual searches for truth. In terms of geo-political truth, however, we have always been faced with the lack of a direct line of communication with people who are in a position to know what is really going on. If Charles is legit, then that has just changed. So, I feel our focusing attention toward ascertaining the veracity of his claims is entirely justified.
Are we being played? Even if he is who he says he is, probably. Part of the test to being given access to esoteric knowledge has always been the ability to discern truth from deception. Charles said we are being interviewed. I take that to mean, we being tested as a group to determine if we are truly mature and responsible enough to enter the Elyssian fields.
It's very important that we not elevate Charles (or his master) to the position of Messiah, but it is equally important to recognize the possibility of having encountered a valuable teacher and ally, imho.

[72MAV27]

well i have to admit that tho i have followed bill and kerry's work for some time now, it was the charles interview that actually got me to sign up for this forum. my intuition tells me that charles is atleast 50% legit. probably more. but i think the life he has lived has disconnected him from some universal truths. in my opinion he can probably tell us a great deal about the "rulers of the world" and their plans. probably even a lot about the earth and it's history. but asking him for universal knowledge and things out of the scope of this planet isn't a wize choice.

[Nela]

Yes, we should have in mind that side from which he is coming has a certain way of thinking, a certain view of the world which is limited, no matter how "powerful" they are percieved to be, by us or by themselves. Their "power" is valid only up to the level of our "sleep" and ignorance. They will, by their own choice always remain in the same spot, for that is the nature of what we call "darkness": limitation, constriction, hierarchy, linear thinking and externally imposed rules.

According to their view of the world, their perception of other beings will be that of a separation, a threat that should be limited, controled, eliminated, used, etc. Their definition of advancement will be measured in terms of technology advancement.

Opposing would be a view of the world as a place of limitless possibilities, the philosophy in which life is seen as a mystery and other being as part of our experiance and our journey, its marked with dedication to knowledge and willingness to explore our own internal world, not change the outside- it takes care of itself withouth any effort after we do our homework. That view define advancement by the achieved level of one's own impeccability and personal power (opposed is taking power from other beings). It renders fear useless and with fear, all animosity toward "dark" dissapear. They are percieved as a mirror, as a pointer, and their role in the creation is fully acknowledged.

So, by communicating with the advesary we learn about that view of the world, and by our inner, intuitive reaction we learn about our own path and with which view of the world we resonate more. Do we choose freedom from that restriction or we want our prison to be more comfortable?

[vortex surfer]

This is just my second post, so might as well just jump into it. I can see what people mean regarding division, divide and conquer, etc. It is something to have in mind. However, I've read on this forum for a while and it's not exactly the first time members have been diveded on a source. Of course the material presented by Charles through the interview and the following Q&A is in some ways of a different magnitude, being released with permission from the so-called people on the top. But what I'm trying to say is that Avalon has seen its lion share of material and sources that are shall we say controversial (and that's kind of the point of the forum, no?) and it's still here, vibrant and diverse as ever.

That's one of the reasons why I decided to join this place. Usually online forums tend to polarize and create open conflict between members, and things bog down to where different camps use their energy getting at each other instead of the subjects at hand. But Avalon has showed resilience time and again, and that's because members here respect each other despite having different opinions and ideas about stuff. Other than the original break of PC into Avalon and Camelot Productions I can't think of any successful divisons here ( unless there is an alternate Avalon forum that I'm not aware of..? :p ). Sure, some people leave or are removed, but that happens everywhere. If anything it seems that the number of members only have grown with time, and I think one of the main reasons IS division, or I should rather call it a multitude of diversified perspectives and outlooks on ourselves and our reality, like different facets from the same prism. And we are in a way each on our own path, but we all stop and take a drink from the same river (i.e. Avalon) along the way.

To conclude (this post got a bit bigger than expected) I am positive that we will move on stronger from this, whatever the case may be regarding Charles. I don't think one source or piece of material would be enough to tear down what has been created here anyway. As long as we treat each other with love and respect, we'll endure and continue to grow.

[Smith]

A fine Good Morning, to all of you wonderful posters here at Avalon

I got a pocket full of linty change that I think I can extract two coppers from. The trouble is that with this material I have more questions than anything else.

I know that there are different types of human progress and evolution. What I don't know is what kind should hold precedent to the other types. I believe that spiritual evolution takes precedent. I am not a Luddite mind you, it's just that I feel that if the spiritual development isn't there, then often times decisions regarding technology, innovation, and matters of state are made too hastily, or made in error.

The material so far began with talk of population reduction and genetic enhancement via eugenics and the like.

The bit about going before a body of people that think it efficacious, to garner the truth of a person, through the use of a ring shaped device that can cripple or disfigure, does not sound like something anybody with any kind of intuition or discernment would need to use. I almost always know when someone is lying to me. People who torture usually want the answer that's right for them, not the truth.


Now this may sound weird but suppose just suppose that the hallmark of true evolutionary progress for us humans turns out to be the Special Olympics.

What if the really great inventions turn out to be things like pumpkin pie?

What are we actually here for?

Some of us are worrying about trying to create a community model that will meet the approval of the powers that be. What on earth would seem viable to them. If we only have 20 seconds to make the pitch, then I think it would be safe to assume, that their minds are already made up.

So I think with my attitude, I am not going to make the cut. No offense to Charles or the Master. And I think Bill is too wonderful for words, but I think I want to stay with my heroes in the Special Olympics I need them and they need me. Hope to see you all on the other side. I here theirs lots of Pie!!!

[wolf_rt]

Reading the 'Answers from charles' thread really seemed more enlightening than the actual content would have sugested.

The 'Charles' material, has at least made a lot of people think in diffrent ways, which is not a bad thing.

It prompted me to view the Marcell Messing interview, in the Bill's threads section, which was the most well spent 2hours of my life.

If Marcell's message is looked at along with the 'Anglo-Saxon Mission' Material and the 'Charles' Material a very clear picture begins to form about what is going on here.

[Celine]

Reading the 'Answers from charles' thread really seemed more enlightening than the actual content would have sugested.

The 'Charles' material, has at least made a lot of people think in diffrent ways, which is not a bad thing.
.

Well said!

Watching this community learn..adapt...and welcome new viewpoints..has been an honor.

You all are very special beings.

[Nela]

Great insight Smith!!!

Regards,
Nela

[noxon medem]

Notes and reflections on the thread matter.

- basicly :
I trust Bill on this.

Do I trust Charles ?
No. But that is not required. (from me at this point)
It is required that we listen to what he, and they, have to say.
Also that we keep an open mind, and heart, and are aware in
thought, emotion, imagination and word.

- And meet with respect.
Do you immediately trust everyone you meet ?
I do not, but I try to meet them all with respect.
In my view Charles has done nothing of the sort
that would disqualify him for that basic standard.

It seems obvious that Bill trust Charles enough to let him
set his imprint on a small part of the Avalon Forum.
That is Bills right (pun intended), and his prerogative.
What is up to us, all, is to participate.
Each in their own way.

The forum is allready huge, and constantly expanding.
There are at the Avalon Forum 26th of january 2011, 15.51 cet .
10,342 Threads
106,406 Posts
2,385 Members
1,835 Active Members
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forum.php

- so there is realy a lot of other stuff to enjoy.
:ranger:
Life seem full of dilemmas and paradoxes, and most seems to be basicly uncertain,
at least from and individual shortlived, and sighted, human perspective.

I choose for the time being to place this material in the fiction and philosophy-segment
(but that is where I put most things from this temporary illusion)
It is anyways a great story being told and unfolding.
And we are anyways part of it, all of us.
So better do it consciously.

Selfcritisism is utmost important, as individuals and as a group, or forum.
The inner critical voices, being of sound mind and constructive, factual and imaginative,
is also of big value to Bill Ryan and the Avalon Forum.
( I will go so far as to say he is in serious trouble without those voices )
I have been one of them for the last weeks, but my mind is now changing
towards a more neutral position. That is my journey in here.
Great if you, plumr2007, and others, can take care of that critical job.
( It is very important, but do not expect to be thanked for it )

Nobody knows for sure, except God.
And my understanding is, that in order to find God you have to look inside,
- not only outside.
(This is one of the reasons I criticise the socalled spiritual teachers who allow themselves
to have devotees, who view, and treat, them as gods.)

We come here to collect and to share information and stories.
Trying to see the big picture, the "truth".
We need that to create a sustained imagination of our reality.

Discerned trust, and Earned trust. Is there a difference ? Yes.
In this case (for most of us) there is no time or situation that could get
us to the level of earned trust, with charles.
So, I choose to trust Bill, and therefore charles by proxy, so to speak.
(BTW: ", so to speak .. " was a much used phrase of last week, check advanced search ..)

Basicly the trust is in family and longstanding friends. ( or would be )
You cannot have enough friends, and you can have too many ..
(another paradox)

(here an allmost irrelevant illustration. I just like it )
4015
Stones for grinding seeds.

40 years wandering a desert, sandstorms grinding at you regulary, that shapes a character,
and bonding. What a mindset, for personal, and common, developement.
Leaving anything you cannot carry .. - And still carrying each other.

.. oh, and i think the answer to the
colour of your eyes - riddle is:
Who cares, if you are a good, honorable being.

If charles storyline is true, and a "man" has lived continuiously for 5000 years,
( years can be counted in many ways. How many lives have you lived lately ?)
and still has love for humanity, that is not only a ... personal achievement,
it is a miracle. Look around you. He or charles, or Bill, or you and me,
did not create this apparant mess we are in. Neither should we expect
any one of them singlehandedly to manage changing things, and start anew.

Can we all face up to that responsability, and potential, mindblowing fun ?
Maybe the task at hand, also on this forum, within practical known means,
is to imagine possible human futures.
And the "known" has of course to be expanded.

I believe that Bill and the team has a deliberate purpose behind recent developement here on part of the forum.
The january "shock"treatment seems to have been induced to create a climate where a certain communication can occure.
Also it looks like Bill, the Avalon Team, and/or Charles, has been using this periode to reqruit members
from this forum for a backroom "discussion"group. ( how many and for what spesifics is anyones guess )

- the party is over, now the fun begins.
(quote from a friend of mine)

:fish2:

all well
nm

[Bill Ryan]

--------


Is this becoming the all Charles forum?Not for me, it's not. :)

Do click on my FIND ALL POSTS - linked from my username to the left of this message.

[greybeard]

Bill has brought me many gifts via this forum.
It will always be Bill's forum.
I dont always agree with him but I respect him greatly.
Through him I found Marcel Messing
Thanks Bill

Currently viewing Marcel Messing videos which I put on the Ego thread.
This video goes into all you would ever want to know about how aliens affected our life purpose, changed our DNA.
How the whole object is to have us as slaves.
To keep the Truth hidden from us.

11 short videos in the series.

Its the fullest video I have ever watched on the subject.

Check it out.

Respectfully
Chris

[72MAV27]

love the way you broke that down Nela!

[72MAV27]

Reading the 'Answers from charles' thread really seemed more enlightening than the actual content would have sugested.

The 'Charles' material, has at least made a lot of people think in diffrent ways, which is not a bad thing.

It prompted me to view the Marcell Messing interview, in the Bill's threads section, which was the most well spent 2hours of my life.

If Marcell's message is looked at along with the 'Anglo-Saxon Mission' Material and the 'Charles' Material a very clear picture begins to form about what is going on here.

i love the short music in the beginning of that Marcell Messing interview. the vibrations in the voice touch the soul!!!

[Scott]

It's all very interesting from an observational point of view, to be sure.

Here is what I see; the bubble around me is that space that surrounds me and those closest to me with minor probes extending beyond me to others I have come in contact with, to varying degrees.

What exists in my bubble is this; Life is good, Family is Love, Friends are chosen and appreciated for who they are, time spent on anything outside that is done with the enjoyment derived from the act of doing.
Things that must be done but not actively pursued are just movement to fulfill a need.

If it’s not in my bubble it does not affect me or as my wife likes to say “Just because I have chili pepper in the cupboard doesn’t mean I want it in my cake :)”

Avalon is very active now but it has had very interesting threads going all the way back to AV1.
The most recent influx of attention and jump in membership means something, time will decide what that something is.

When the reboot happened from AV1 to the current AV2, many things about the forum changed and this was mostly Bill's vision of what he wanted the forum to reflect out in the ocean of the internet.
I could be wrong but the intent leaned more towards a small Island as apposed to a metropolis.
This also points to why Bill created it as a Invite only forum.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I have a feeling this could be more about us than Charles.

[Nela]

Hi Modwiz,

"We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar." This of course, and quite rightly, puts Bill on the line. If Charles is found out to be a hoax all of Bills' credibility will go down the pike.

One thing is for sure, the reaction has been intense with the presence of this Charles fellow, with numerous sign ups of new members in December and January alone, and a huge amount of interaction in the Charles threads. Just to unravel that will take some time. That being said it would be interesting to get another 'partial' from Bill to see where he thinks all of this is going, if he still would put his hand in the fire.

As I understand it, Kerry had reservations about the whole of this, even up to the point of trying to have a debate for publication which, "burned down very much like the twin towers". Perhaps a further declaration from her would be well due. It's obvious that she is also privvy to certain information that the plebs are not. Could she throw some light over the subject?

Best regards,

Steve

Hi Steve,

I would not agree at all that Bill's credibility is on any line here and is in any way defined by Charles. He is our fellow truthseeker, and he made this communication and meeting place available to us, and he is the one who dedicated his life and all of his efforts into getting information out FOR US. Our own capability for discernment is not Bill's responsibility, and information provided is truly valuable and is beyond our confined views on truth and lies, black and white. There is no source on this plane of existance that is 100% pure, no person made in flesh and blood that posseses all knowledge, whole truth and all peaces of the puzzle to whom we can just hand over our power and follow without question. So, whatever Charles turns out to be, Bill, people on this forum with their insights and pieces of knowledge that can be found throughout this site remain as valuable as they always were and would not be diminished by any outcome of this adventure. Whatever happens, we will all be enriched with more knowledge and lessons learned.

[Carmody]

I have a feeling this could be more about us than Charles.

See his last statement in the questions for Charles thread. page 40. It says exactly that, in different words.

[Carmody]

It's all very interesting from an observational point of view, to be sure.

Here is what I see; the bubble around me is that space that surrounds me and those closest to me with minor probes extending beyond me to others I have come in contact with, to varying degrees.

What exists in my bubble is this; Life is good, Family is Love, Friends are chosen and appreciated for who they are, time spent on anything outside that is done with the enjoyment derived from the act of doing.
Things that must be done but not actively pursued are just movement to fulfill a need.

If it’s not in my bubble it does not affect me or as my wife likes to say “Just because I have chili pepper in the cupboard doesn’t mean I want it in my cake :)”

Avalon is very active now but it has had very interesting threads going all the way back to AV1.
The most recent influx of attention and jump in membership means something, time will decide what that something is.

When the reboot happened from AV1 to the current AV2, many things about the forum changed and this was mostly Bill's vision of what he wanted the forum to reflect out in the ocean of the internet.
I could be wrong but the intent leaned more towards a small Island as apposed to a metropolis.
This also points to why Bill created it as a Invite only forum.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein

If the influx of the new is not directed and allowed to be absorbed by the whole (original).... then the influx of the new will overcome the old and transform the old into a rabble that does not reflect the aims and actions and desires of the old.... but will be a confusion of....nothing.

which is why the level of control over the influx of the new MUST REMAIN IN EFFECT and watched very, very closely. this is human dynamics and this forum can be brought down by too many new heads not learning or caring about the social order that is here,and is being developed, the key point: being developed'.

The reason for the influx of people from everywhere into the US right now, specifically that of Mexico.... seems to be, to tear down the social fabric which was in danger of becoming too strong, centered, and becoming 'self aware'. Like it did in the late 60's. The PTB did not want that to happen again, too close for them. I could be wrong, but that seems to have been a large part of it.

I very much stress a very controlled addition of new members is needed. No 'idealism' on that one please, keep base psychology in mind when adding new members! Get some control of the social order before adding too many, otherwise the result is social confusion.

[greybeard]

[Link] Q 155. Liquid: Is your master looking to setup another permanent group similar to the 33?

[Link] No You are going to be on your own against the system of secret madmen.

Self employed to get the job done.

It is too easy to attack an organisation.

We all change our mind our behavior, we act differently. Really it is about the individual.

Paradoxically; listening To Messer.
He said now the wave must become the OCEAN.

The kingdom of heaven it is a state of enlightenment and that is what Messer is speaking of.
Thats where the Power lies.
Thats what the Elite are terrified of, that is the answer.
Its not wake up to what controllers are doing its wake up to what you are.

Ask your self. What am I?
The answer will come.

Chris

[72MAV27]

Charles is here as a representative of our NOBLE ADVERSARY and regardless of what he and those behind him state as a reason for this communication, they are here so that we can learn.
We have asked for certain knowledge, and we have been served. That does not have anything to do with their intent, this is a Law of Free Will at works. Whenever level of awareness increase, the level of illusion drops. As that happen, they ("dark side") are obliged to provide information- to put it out in to the open, so that those who seek can find it. It does not have anything to do with their willingnes to do so, they are operating under the laws as the rest of the creation. Apart from the information pertaining to 3D world events (less important), for those who have eyes to see, they are providing more valuable information on the following:
- Our imprisonment is best described in the words of Don Huan in one of Castaneda books- they managed to enslave us by "giving us their mind". Thanks to communication with Charles we can see how easy we get caught up in the "mind" and "logic" of the dark- just check responses to the subject of "overpopulation" problem- many people just jumped on thinking how we can decrease population. The only difference is that we would not do that by "killing people", but we would impose restriction to their rights to determine for themselves how many children they would have!!!! So, in DARK AGENDA, we do not have a problem with the AGENDA, we would only make it less DARK. This is not a different way of thinking, this is only a different shade of darkness. This is "mind" versus "heart": reverence for our own life and life of all beings in this world and other worlds. And note one thing- Charles have just stated their view of the world- he didn't forced anything, we jumped on that vagon just like that! This is how they control, and this is how we give our consent to their control. And the Law of Free Will is always respected.
Here also we can became aware that by following their line of thinking we are calling forth more control and more externally imposed rules, versus being governed by our own internal sense and moral code imprinted in our souls (and allow other souls to exercise the same right).
-"They" are reflection of us- we all have a little "controler" inside us. We all have this sense of entitlement (are we really discussing ways to cancell someone's right to live or to decide how many children they are going to have? Yes, we are. And we consider ourselves "awake"). Finding this and other "dark spots" within our own minds and hearts and releasing them is the only way to the freedom. So this is the opportunity for which we have to give gratitude and SALUTE our adversary.
- In this communication we can also see the diferentiation- there are those who are choosing to transcedent this type of existance and intend to create a new world (and those are aware that a whole new set of ideas will mark this new world)- which makes them less intereseted in 3D events and how they will transpire. Eyes and ears of those people are atuned to different music and they are searching for different clues on how to advance on their intended path. So, from the same communication, they will percieve different things and they will percieve behind the face value of the words.
There are those souls who just wants their world, 3d world to become better and life less distorted. And finally, there are those who are awakening and making choices toward the dark side. All choices are valid and OK, the worst think would be staying asleep and not making any choice, but those people would not be on any forum like this one.

i once heard a quote that the whole population of the world could fit comfortably in the state of Texas. that might have been a slight exaggeration or maybe not. but i live in the second smallest state in the USA, Delaware. and if you drive from north to south Delaware it becomes so apparent that the world is not overpopulated. it's just that the majority of people live in small spaces such as cities and suburbs. but the vast land that is uninhabited is overwhelming. so it's pretty obvious that the world is overpopulated from the stand point of someone who wants to control people and their minds. the more people around, the harder it is to maintain control

[jer]

Hi Modwiz,

"We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar." This of course, and quite rightly, puts Bill on the line. If Charles is found out to be a hoax all of Bills' credibility will go down the pike.

Best regards,

Steve

As human creatures (?) we seem to be able to love and trust to extremes. If life is a playground of non duality then one may choose to Love without regret, trust without hesitation and feel no guilt about it in the least.
Do I reservations? Yes.

But I CHOOSE to live with an open heart.

Anyone betting how Bill chooses to LIVE LIFE?

Thus far the only physical longevity worth noting seems to be exhibited by only one at a time according to Atticus. Awe inspiring if it were to be possible for more. Hmmm. Some thoughts should be kept to oneself. Oh, wait. Human potential to know all. Hmmm.

Anyway, Choosing to live in non duality as best as my dogmatic upbringing will allow is my aim. Death of this body if I must but I'd rather go down hoping for peace on earth and Love for all mankind than closing off my heart. Potential for paradise, just like Bill. It's worth spending some imagination/ reflection time on.

[East Sun]

Charles said he was sent to deal with Bill. If it was his Master who was not happy with Bill I wonder what he (master) was afraid of Bill doing? If Charles really had a change of heart then he is a go between the two. What could an ancient entity with wisdom beyond anyone else not want Bill to reveal, eventually, to the public? It would definitely be something on a monumental scale. Something that can now be negotiated. That sounds good IF we are kept up with what's happening.
Maybe the master is just a top ranking ptb figure who is human and like the rest of us and using ages of existing as a ploy to prevent their downfall. That could happen as things are changing. Would you trust such a person to make a fair deal. I would not--they could later break all agreements. All this is 'maybe,' of course so I'm searching just like all of us.
This too will pass and we'll be bored searching for something else, maybe...

[Fury Ra]

I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).


Who is Charles? :confused: :p

[Hawkwind]

Charles said he was sent to deal with Bill. If it was his Master who was not happy with Bill I wonder what he (master) was afraid of Bill doing?

I don't remember the exact source of this story. It may have been from Morning of Magicians, but I'm not sure. In any case, it goes something like this:

Once upon a time there was a great and powerful civilization called Atlantis. One day the best and brightest alchemist/magician in the kingdom decided to run an experiment, but failed to follow the prescribed safety protocols and get approval from the council of elders. The experiment went awry and destroyed the entire civilization.

Now, I have no idea if this story is in any part based on fact. I do know, however, that if I were a surviving elder of such of a society, I'd want to make damned sure that no such accidents ever happened again. Perhaps it is that level of knowledge which we were getting close to.

[plumr2007]

My purpose in starting this thread is this. While we may all grow as a result of this topic of Charles then that growth may be built on a lie. I'm in the construction business ( not the tearing down business ) and I know that you can't build a meaningful structure on a foundation of sand. It will collapse. This Charles character is a self confessed " hit man " , he works for people whose very existence is the opposite of truth and enlightenment. At least he says he does. I grew up in a section of the Bronx called Arthur Ave. ( little Italy ) . In this neighborhood everyone " had an uncle in the Mafia " . If that were true they would have to rename the Mafia The Uncles Club. 99% of them were full of you know what.
My father used to own a deli and one day one of these " pinky ring gangsters " ( that's what my dad called them ) came into the store and threw a pastrami sandwich at my mother. When my father ( a golden gloves boxer ) jumped over the counter you never saw a " Tough guy " run so fast. Most of these pinky ring gangsters are full of hot air and themselves.
So I guess my concern is that the members and Bill , who I respect tremendously, will lose their critical thinking and become infatuated with this Guy Ritchie type of scenario and lose perspective. Thank you all for your help and comments . Love conquers all. And a good right cross.

[Fury Ra]

i once heard a quote that the whole population of the world could fit comfortably in the state of Texas. that might have been a slight exaggeration or maybe not. but i live in the second smallest state in the USA, Delaware. and if you drive from north to south Delaware it becomes so apparent that the world is not overpopulated. it's just that the majority of people live in small spaces such as cities and suburbs. but the vast land that is uninhabited is overwhelming. so it's pretty obvious that the world is overpopulated from the stand point of someone who wants to control people and their minds. the more people around, the harder it is to maintain control

My thoughts exactly in regards to over population!!! As it's all a matter of what perspective your looking at it from.

[East Sun]

I don't remember the exact source of this story. It may have been from Morning of Magicians, but I'm not sure. In any case, it goes something like this:

Once upon a time there was a great and powerful civilization called Atlantis. One day the best and brightest alchemist/magician in the kingdom decided to run an experiment, but failed to follow the prescribed safety protocols and get approval from the council of elders. The experiment went awry and destroyed the entire civilization.

Now, I have no idea if this story is in any part based on fact. I do know, however, that if I were a surviving elder of such of a society, I'd want to make damned sure that no such accidents ever happened again. Perhaps it is that level of knowledge which we were getting close to.

I'm familiar with the Atlantis story from the revelations through Edgar Cayce and heard about the writings of Plato on what's believed by some to be the islands of Atlantis. (They had different names). Anyway Atlantis would be far more than 5,000 years old, I believe. That's what C. said his master's age is. That would be 3,000 BC. What happened then might mean something.

[Nela]

This post triggered an interesting question to ponder.
Can anyone really be "taken out" just like that? I don't know and can not claim this to be true, but here is an interesting idea:
A person can not be killed if their intent made in a different, higher state of being (before incarnation) is to fulfill ceratin misson and if lessons that the entity whishes to learn
do not resonate with the experiance of being a victim in this way. That would be a certain statement of free will on one level. Next, if an incarnated being (having its own free will up to a certain level), in spite of being veiled and to certain extent "blind" to this higher intent, release need to control its life experiance and fear for its own life and dedicate itself to that incarnational mission in a state of faith, this intent can not be negated by any entity in the same plane of existance (i.e. within the game), so it can not be killed. There must be something that prevents this, otherwise they would just "take out" anyone who starts to awaken, and therefore any potential "problem" would be removed even before it has any chance of becoming a problem.

What are your opinion on this?

[steve_a]

Hi Nela,

We must agree to disagree with our points of view. Friendship remains the same.

It wasn't us that brought Charles to the forum, nor us that wrote the headlines, nor promoted the importance to what Charles had to say. It is for the person who did do those things to at least know if the person is who they say they are and has the credentials to prove it. To blindly open space for anyone declare what they want, even endorsing them, would be a very irresponsible thing to do at the minimum.

I'm sure that if Bill smelled a rat he would come forward and say so especially since the Charles subject generated so much interest. After all, it is he who has direct contact with the bloke.

Best regards,

Steve

[araucaria]

Hi Modwiz,

"We do not KNOW if he is a BS artist but rely on Bill Ryan as as our first line of BS radar." This of course, and quite rightly, puts Bill on the line. If Charles is found out to be a hoax all of Bills' credibility will go down the pike.


Steve

I thought Bill had lost all credibility with the Serpo business?! I expect he'd just eat his hat, buy a headscarf or something, and carry on as before. And so would we.
'His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery' (James Joyce)

[DaveW58]

Like a few others on the thread, this is my first post on the board. I've been (somewhat irregularly) coming to look at Avalon (and previously Camelot) but I never felt compelled to join up until I saw the Charles material. It's not that I didn't like what I was reading before now, it's just that I didn't think that I had anything to offer (I still feel a little bit like that). Anyway, in my experience of looking at the site, one of the most intriguing things before now was Bill's Anglo Saxon Mission film. I came back looking to see if there was anything more about that and was quite blown away by the new stuff.

It is very intriguing - and if it is all true then it is very serious, but the puzzle reminds me a lot of the fictional TV series LOST where everyone wanted to know about Jacob - and whole websites were spawned from the concept, with endless threads debating what may or may not be happening. That's just one impression I get, y'know - it's nowhere near the sum of what I think, but the 'intrigue factor' has something of a similar resonance.

Anyway, I'm very impressed with the way the site is run and all you good people. Please carry on. ;)

[Nela]

Hi Nela,

We must agree to disagree with our points of view. Friendship remains the same.

It wasn't us that brought Charles to the forum, nor us that wrote the headlines, nor promoted the importance to what Charles had to say. It is for the person who did do those things to at least know if the person is who they say they are and has the credentials to prove it. To blindly open space for anyone declare what they want, even endorsing them, would be a very irresponsible thing to do at the minimum.

I'm sure that if Bill smelled a rat he would come forward and say so especially since the Charles subject generated so much interest. After all, it is he who has direct contact with the bloke.

Best regards,

Steve

Yes, I see your point, and I agree. And to be honest, if I were faced with the choice of bringing this information out in the open without being able to verify its truthfulness, I wouldn't do so. I also to a certain degree agree with Kerry's view on this situation. But I also understand when this kind of decision is made from a different standing point- a point that every encounter is meaningful and that everything should be out into the open, and that sometimes we might miss certain valuable gems of knowledge by being too judgmental and by expecting truth revealing to be done in a certain form. Maybe the whole story is not at all what it seems to be at face value (judging by the impact it had, I would say that there is a certain resonance between us and Charles for better or worse and that something has been set into motion on the levels behind this "questions and answers" part). Anyway, whatever it turns out to be, I am still glad Bill decided to share it. And would still consider Bill as a credible truth-seeker, in the sense that he can be misled (like each of us), but he is not corrupted (somewhat rare occurrence in this exotic world we share).

[RAKMEiSTER]

how distracted can a forum get. lmao. and i still stick with same view asbefore, without change its just more of the same. i layer revealed just shows their not on top of the game just part. they picked the wrong partner long ago. now they pay the price. oneway or the other. so lets see what hapends. something solid/irl not 100 more threads about the lol false prophet "charles" i know im using a big contextual terms but on purpose ;D. /me goes back to irc seeing whats going on.

[KonSen]

Of course there are Pros and Contras for the whole CharlesStory. These are some points which I guess some of you will feel too.

I was very sceptic about Charles in the beginning, like so many others and like so many others, it was more my trust in Bill's opinion then in Charles himself, which kept me interested in him and his story. For me, Bill is the keypoint in trying to trust Charles. I just think "Bill is a trustfull and intelligent person, and he is the only one who sat next to charles watching in his eyes and he admits, that there is something very different about him." That isn't something Bill says often in any way, so yeah, without Bills strong intuition towards this guy I wouldn't care for Charles at all I guess.

And now we got to admit: Even if Charles should be the biggest hoax ever ( I can't believe it yet ), there is something he is done for our community: Many many new people joint the forum and all the different discussions happeining here. I am one of these new members, who watched ProjectCamelot for a while now, but didn't share their feelings and knowledge about all the mindopeningstuff which happened in their specific life. This fresh wind in form of new ways of seeing the full picture can't be rated high enough in my opinion.

So to all sceptics out there: don't think too much about the "ifs and whens". Even if it's a hoax, it's one who helped our search for truth, and if it's not: well, then we would be already in a final stage of this search. It's just great ;)

Ahh, the negatives things. Well, there is just one thing for me: I maybe spend tooo much time in this forum because of Charles, which I could also use for other activities / own researches. But this is no "long-term" problem I think ;)

[Innerbliss]

I'd like to see 'Hidden Hand' appear again. That was some of the most fascinating 'in depth' information I had ever read.

[Stuart M.]

This is pretty much me throw’n in for the first time here at Avalon.
Just wanted to share some thoughts/feelings on the Charles stuff and be forewarned I have an ego, or at least a part of me that wishes to better my chances for survival in this plane of existence, for as long as possible, but at what price?

That said, the views expressed here may not reflect that of the administrator. ( Couldn’t resist)

Firstly I want to say that this post is not to attack more a personal introspective.. I’d like to share this about myself.

I didn’t feel so good last time I voted. Sometimes when I cash a check for my labors
I feel bad for choosing to live so much better than someone starving. When I pump gas or pay a tax I feel shame knowing I may have just funded the killing of somebody. I feel bad
knowing most people are unaware of what maybe coming their way and I don’t do half of what I could to let them know. I don’t want to turn this into the post of despair. Just wanted to let you know where I’m at in terms of understanding my part in this and these points are just a few of the examples.

As per the Charles material well let me just say my ego levied a lot of judgement on the parade of beliefs I’ve watched go by. But I will say I’d be on board a plan that I thought would be a true detriment to the hierarchy that has us trapped in a position of inability to act. Folks it’s not a crime to not want to die. And I’m very certain this instinct is being used as a tool against ME to participate in the hierarchies’ bidding.

And just to finish, I never thought Alex Jones could bring me to tears but the last conference of his I watched I nearly snapped. After all who wants to give up the chance to love your grand children or kick back with a fat chiwawa in your lap or worse yet mortgage off your kids chances at that. I guess he and Icke finally got loud enough in my ears for me to hear I play a bigger part in this than I had cared to acknowledge. Do I have the answers? Probably don’t even know the questions, just smart enough to know I don’t. But I’ll be darned if I’ll use belief systems and hierarchal philosophy to deflect personal responsibility. Lots of personal work. Thanks for listening.

Peace,

Stuart

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[Star Gazer]

Would we trust Charles if Bill didn't?

[Ixopoborn]

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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

Thanks Sepia - the cult thing must be avoided at all costs. Charles is not at error here - it is more us that have been in error than Charles. The feeding frenzy for information from Charles is just what should have been anticipated - we are all enthusiastic for change - this explains it all.

Bill is highly trusted on this forum. If Bill trusts Charles then so do I but let us not forget that changing the world is a job of work, not a new approach to blind worship! The Charles information must develop to a higher level or there is no point in it at all.

I remain confident that something positive will flow from this involvement with Charles. Let's feel and see what open hearts to this situation will bring!

[Hawkwind]

Would we trust Charles if Bill didn't?

If Bill didn't trust Charles, at least to some degree, we likely never would have heard of him.

[Fructedor]

If Bill didn't trust Charles, at least to some degree, we likely never would have heard of him.

And vice versa?

[Sentience]

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Not for me, it's not. :)

Do click on my FIND ALL POSTS - linked from my username to the left of this message.

By your own admission Bill its kept you occupied for the last five months. If the 33's idea was to distract, divert or even prevent you from doing something else, Then I would have to say thats very much a mission accomplished.

[Rocky_Shorz]

the kick in the nuggets...

was connecting with us to share hidden wisdom, which is what is being done, the longer the 32 hold out the more we will learn...

Imagine being able to look through Bill's eyes... and understand what he saw...

what happens when Charles' Master sits back down to the table after meeting and hearing from all of us...

will anything have changed?

could a small group of friends gathered together here at Avalon with a few people watching change the future of the world?

[Nela]

the kick in the nuggets...

was connecting with us to share hidden wisdom, which is what is being done, the longer the 32 hold out the more we will learn...

Imagine being able to look through Bill's eyes... and understand what he saw...

what happens when Charles' Master sits back down to the table after meeting and hearing from all of us...

will anything have changed?

could a small group of friends gathered together here at Avalon with a few people watching change the future of the world?

YES! YES THEY CAN. A small group of people CAN change the world because awareness is not about numbers and quantity, it's a whole different math! And changing the world is not a decision to be made by any Master or "all-mighty" 33 members of bloodlines (what a convenient term- they are really leaving a lines of blood behind them) it is INEVITABLE. The best they can do is letting go of that soon- to- be- obsolete notion of having power to stop natural evolution of consciousness. And it is exponential. Once a small group of people dare to say that the emperor is naked, and dismiss the emperor for obscenity and a bad fashion choice (sorry for the metaphor, I just couldn't resist;)), millions will wake up. Why? Because they already feel that "something is rotting in the state of Denmark" but they dare not believe their feeling- they think something is wrong with their antennas! We know that- most of us have been there, done that!

[OneLittleFrog]

I dislike how he uses the term "women at his disposal" and then in threads on this forum apparently points to women as being the key - massive contradiction in terms there
I'm quoting Lunar's post from several pages back ..... what did Charles say about "women at his disposal"?:confused: Apologies for not being able to keep up with everything at the moment, particularly the deluge of questions asked and C's answers. When one falls behind here, it's tough to catch up!

"Women at his disposal?" In what context did he use that phrase?

BTW, that was a great post Lunar....

[katewilliams79]

"The Father is within me and I m within the Father." - Charles & Master?

[Star Gazer]

I'm quoting Lunar's post from several pages back ..... what did Charles say about "women at his disposal"?:confused: Apologies for not being able to keep up with everything at the moment, particularly the deluge of questions asked and C's answers. When one falls behind here, it's tough to catch up!

"Women at his disposal?" In what context did he use that phrase?

BTW, that was a great post Lunar....

I just assumed Charles had been a pimp at some point--not that he currently is. Same goes for the fascist organization I imagine.

[steve_a]

Hi araucaria,

Please expand more about the Serpo business.


I thought Bill had lost all credibility with the Serpo business?! I expect he'd just eat his hat, buy a headscarf or something, and carry on as before. And so would we.
'His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery' (James Joyce)

Best regards,

Steve

[Lunar]

I'm quoting Lunar's post from several pages back ..... what did Charles say about "women at his disposal"?:confused: Apologies for not being able to keep up with everything at the moment, particularly the deluge of questions asked and C's answers. When one falls behind here, it's tough to catch up!

"Women at his disposal?" In what context did he use that phrase?

BTW, that was a great post Lunar....

Thank you OneLittleFrog, that made my day. He said it in relation to how he could manipulate people to effectively silence them or blackmail them by engineering a honey trap and then sending evidence to interested parties (i.e. wife). He also said that somebody spotted him at school, his Maths teacher - not sure why a Maths teacher connected to the 33 would be working as a Maths teacher in Hackney but there is probably more to the story than that. I guess it's just a minor detail. What worries me is his assertion that women are the key - hopefully in a benevolent way or does he mean the preservation of certain bloodlines? Mind you blood lines are inherited from both father and mother equally.

[ace]

Apologies to you Sepia, it's not for the good work you've done..

but I find this all flood over forums an easy take lesson about how can be people skilfully manipulated to become followers of any cult of truth in this world,

if the material is presented 'the right way'.

Bill has done the most work about it, the lads heart maybe as pure as innocent but things he speaks about, both reality and fiction,
many have spoken about and could never prove.

Dragging 'His Masters Feet' into this domain is another proof for the upper echelon on how easy it is for Bill to manipulate a crowd of people.

I find ridiculous to observe how anyone, I say anyone, is bowing their heads to an unknown Master and his alleged disciple after few days of promotion,

just because 'Bill said' . It's a mastership of his own, that can't be denied, large following of people..


I would not dare to do this , not to my teachers, not to calling in others to follow but again,

I'm not what you call , exactly 'human' in my nature. I find lots of things odd and crazy and examining people, trusting them , being friends takes long time to me here .



Be your own Masters, anyway, is more correct.



Till we can find a common grounds :love:

Hello Agape ,

Its my first post on this matter, I can say, I have read every post I passable could and sat and watched the video footage two times. I coped and pasted all the questions and answers in to a pdf, printed it out, went in to the country side and sat beneath my favourite tree, and read it like I would a book. (I am not one for sitting to long in front of the computer, its electronic field gives me burn out)

As you can see I am a new member and my membership is provisional, I fully understand and except the reason for this, as I have stated in my post on the thread "friends" (sorry not clued up as to post the link) please stick with me It just feels its important I give you a little back ground on how I got her, that might assist us both in hopefully opening a mature respectful and informative dialogue together.

I am aware of your position here on the Avalon forum, with respect, and it's maybe for those reasons I have been drawn to reply to your post. (I just got the feeling I had been given a key and their were 1567 locks, and I had to choose one)

So I chose you. (probably because I feel you have the wisdom to give me constructive feed back) just a feeling.

My first grey area is, The word "cult"

In our modern world of the new millennium, the word "cult" has become largely overused and is now a catch-all for any group, religion or lifestyle which someone doesn't understand, or with which they happen to disagree. This is a dangerous trend, as many of the organizations labeled a cult by dissidents are truly legitimate groups. Once the taint of the term "cult" is applied to a particular group, it is often difficult to change that image to the public
.
To avoid careless labeling which could be harmful to a group and its adherents, it is important to know just exactly what a cult is, and how it is defined. A cult, by modern standards, is any group that incorporates mind control to deceive, influence and govern its followers. Although most people think of cults as being religious, they can also be found in political, athletic, philosophical, racial or psychotherapeutic arenas.


The mind control, or brainwashing, exerted by cults often take the form of at least several of the following elements:
A totalitarian control over the lifestyle and time of its members - Many cults tend to dictate exactly what its followers should read, eat, how and with whom they should spend their time, and even what they should do in off hours. This totalitarian control is necessary for the leaders to indoctrinate the followers in everything they do, and is also an attempt to separate them from anything not associated with the cult. This is why cults often live together in groups.

A charismatic, self-appointed leader with complete authority - Cult members are taught not to question the teachings, practices, or ideas of the leader. Many cult leaders truly are charismatic people, and are able to influence people to believe them. It is common that a cult member is not told everything up front when joining the group, but that they are taught increasingly controlling ideas and teachings as they go. In the case of some of the more well-publicized cults that have come and gone, it is also common that the leader's ideas and demands evolve over time, becoming increasingly controlling and restrictive. One very clear identifying element dealing with the leader of a cult is that the leader will always focus the attention and veneration of the members upon himself or herself. At the heart of a cult usually lies a very self-centered and self-seeking person.

A focus on withholding truth from non-members - Many cults teach their followers to be completely open and truthful within the group, while at the same time they are encouraged to be secretive and evasive when questioned by people outside of the group. This is another form of mind control-instilling guilt in the members if they hold anything back within the group. The members are taught that outsiders wouldn't understand or that they would only make fun of the ideas and practices and requirements for living within the group. Only specially-commissioned members are appointed to recruit members from outside. New members are usually encouraged to keep silent or even lie, especially to their families and close friends.

The three elements listed above are very successful ways to create a group mentality, an us-against-them way of looking at things. This is essential for any cult that wants to keep its members. The more afraid of the outside world the members become, the more strongly and faithfully they will keep within the safe fold of the cult.

would you agree their are to many independent, self thinkers who are encouraged to think for them self's and do the research with a free hand, here at Avalon, and Bill Ryan is not a self-appointed leader with complete authority - and members are NOT taught not to question the teachings, practices, or ideas of the leader?

I would rely appreciate your opinion and views and would like to thank you for taking the time in reading my thoughts.

Kind regards

Ace

AND MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO QUESTION TEACHINNGS AND PRACTICES IDEAS ECT ECT BY ALL AS WELL AS BILL;

[Nela]

People are generally fond of 'experiencing' something they believe to lead them somewhere else than they are ..
they call it 'hope'..

If it were not for the hope, would we ever get anywhere? Would we be here?

[Stuart M.]

Hey Ace,

Thanks for that. Really got me to thinking about my stance on the whole thing.

As for the reasoning that it may not be a cult, I guess a guy would have to be there to watch one built from the ground up. Gotta say at this point almost looks like an order out of chaos situation here these days. Oh well, time will eventualy show the true nature of this whole thing. I just hope it's not to the detriment of many.

[Bill Ryan]

Charles said he was sent to deal with Bill. If it was his Master who was not happy with Bill I wonder what he (master) was afraid of Bill doing?

Hi all - a misunderstanding here. (An understandable one!)

Charles was sent to 'deal with me' by the faction of the controlling group that were not the Purists. (See my COMMENTARY video for the best explanation I can give.) That order was given to him in June or July 2010.

Subsequent to all that, the group has fractured considerably. See Charles' answers for those details.

It's a relatively recent development that Charles is now 'working' directly for the individual whom he refers to as his 'Master'. I'd heard no reference to him until 1 December.

He had not been the #1 Man, but was definitely one of the 'Purists'. Because of his age, he was rather a special member of the group and (to use Charles' own words when he first told me about him) was a "very deep pool, respected by all."

It appears - from everything I know and understand and can piece together - that the group has fractured to the point of a substantial change in its operation (and maybe that operation is now much more limited, and just possibly, pretty much non-existent).

Following that, in the 'power vacuum' - for lack of a better word - Charles and his 'Master' are making a strategic move.

What that strategic move is, Charles does not know in detail - and I certainly don't know, either. :)

All best wishes, Bill

[norman]

......in the 'power vacuum' - for lack of a better word - Charles and his 'Master' are making a strategic move.

What that strategic move is, Charles does not know in detail - and I certainly don't know, either. :)



Presumably part of that strategic move is to bring an element of the 'alternative' intelligentsia in a lot closer to snapping at the heels of the elitists. The sharing of long held secrets would suggest so. My concern about that is that the downwards extension of compartmentalisation might also include a downwards extension of lethal tactics.

Perhaps 'downwards' is the wrong word, but I hope you know what I mean.

[Brandie]

It is ok if what Charles is presenting to us does not reasonate with you, you have every right not to listen or consider what he is saying. Be free!! However, I think it is rude to insult our "guest" while he is in our midst. That's just bad manners.

I have to wonder if you read my entire post. ? Pretty sure you completely misunderstood the entire point. Hmm.

[Envagyok]

In reference to the Agape's statement:

I have decided to finally join the Avalon Forum after years of following Project camelots interviews specifically because of the Charles material, but could I honestly and respectfully suggest this is a search for information that may or may not concern me in regards to what I need for my path and were I perfectly understand your meaning of sitting at the masters feet, I feel that it truely lies within everyone wether they are sitters or truth searchers. You can not find the truth if you do not search for the truth. To be respectful to the messanger no matter who he flies his flag for only secures that you will receive a message what we do with that message will depend on who we are. So for me I would like to listen to everyones messages so that I may discern for myself what is important for me, and so where I am, again and thankfully reminded by your message of caution I am also thankful for the chance to hear Charles' message. Very Respectfully yours, Envagyok

This discussion echos the quote used by Eris23 "Read everything. Believe absolutely nothing, unless you can prove it in your own right." ---Milton William Cooper.

[Alliamber]

Thank you so much Brandie for your insight. I am new to Avalon and I do not always have the best way with words so I appreciate everyone heres patience and goodwill toward new folks. I have followed Bill and this forum for awhile now, not trying to be a "Lurker". I am just another person who has awakened to what has been going on. I have implemented changes in how I live my life and try to of those in my family as well . I know that the information that I have received from the folks here at project avalon and even to a certain extent from project camelot has given me direction and insights into myself and others I may have otherwise overlooked. I have not asked Charles a question because I have not thought of a good one to yet that another member or Bill hasn't already asked. I would like it if some of the more enlightened members might start a thread that asked members how humanity can work together honestly to show these 33 or the elites or who or whatever they are that we can make a better future that does not include mass genocide of people, or totalitarian rule of the few over the many. Thanks in advance

[Crake]

Charles,

My deepest respects for all that you do. You are necessary. You are a formidable player in this game we call life and wear the hat well.

I know that if we want to move beyond this “duality/double-blindedness” we need to accept the fact that the darkness serves us just as much as the light and if we expect to “graduate” without embracing this reality then we are doomed to repeat the past. It is all or none.

I feel that these false flag events are necessary for our evolution at this time. We often frown upon the movers and shakers of the world, but if the matrix is truly a reflection of our internal state then this shows us how much introspection is truly necessary before we can truly rebalance ourselves. According to this projected reality we are in serious fear and denial of who we truly are.

What fascinates me most about your appearance is not so much the information you share and are about to reveal, but the reaction of this “following”.

I feel as though individuals that look up to you as a savior/truth-bearer/protector have not yet found that inner light which resides within every individual.

I feel as though individuals that see you as a threat/evil/deceiver have yet to face the true darkness which resides within every individual.

I see you as a brother. I am you and you are me. We may have had very different experiences in this lifetime, but from where I come from love is unconditional.

See you on the other side.

P.S. Michael says, hi

[blackatiam]

I have to wonder if you read my entire post. ? Pretty sure you completely misunderstood the entire point. Hmm.

Sorry Brandie. I was just using your quote as a reference point. I was trying to address the whole thread is all, i guess not very well. Sorry if I was misunderstood. I agreed with you, though.

[Annie]

This news is a little disconcerting.Within the boundaries of respect I have the impression that the purpose of the Avalonians is to gather information and question events and information on a variety of subjects and lvl's. Charles definitely falls into the category of the unknown.

[Brandie]

This post triggered an interesting question to ponder.
Can anyone really be "taken out" just like that? I don't know and can not claim this to be true, but here is an interesting idea:
A person can not be killed if their intent made in a different, higher state of being (before incarnation) is to fulfill ceratin misson and if lessons that the entity whishes to learn
do not resonate with the experiance of being a victim in this way. That would be a certain statement of free will on one level. Next, if an incarnated being (having its own free will up to a certain level), in spite of being veiled and to certain extent "blind" to this higher intent, release need to control its life experiance and fear for its own life and dedicate itself to that incarnational mission in a state of faith, this intent can not be negated by any entity in the same plane of existance (i.e. within the game), so it can not be killed. There must be something that prevents this, otherwise they would just "take out" anyone who starts to awaken, and therefore any potential "problem" would be removed even before it has any chance of becoming a problem.

What are your opinion on this?

Hi Nela,

I may be way off base here because I am super sleepy, but here is my initial thought in response to your question.

I've heard it said there are 'rules' that non human beings go by. (Oddly enough!) From a human perspective it may not seem this could be the case but I believe it makes sense. If I am not mistaken I think this could also relate to what Charles is referring to with regard to the "Purists" ...(in my words "VS.") "VS."the ones of the group of the "33" who are no longer in alignment with the 'non interventionist' approach.

If I am clear on this he has mentioned something to the effect of some of the group he calls the "33" has become sort of corrupted when viewed in light of what was "supposed" to be a "purist" approach to dealing with humanity.

If I have that wrong, forgive me. It is the way in which I understand it, after only a few days of brief reading on the threads. This makes sense as other races, and types of beings are reported to have sets of 'rules' in the greater picture that they just go by. In other words; if they want to kill someone for instance, there would be a 'code' regarding how business is to be conducted and as such there may be a specific reason why they are not able to do so depending upon which parties of what groups are involved. I think. So there is my best extremely overtired attempt to answer a question based upon what little I know. :)

I do hope that reads the way it seems in my mind, LOL! :)

[Brandie]

Sorry Brandie. I was just using your quote as a reference point. I was trying to address the whole thread is all, i guess not very well. Sorry if I was misunderstood. I agreed with you, though.

It's quite o.k. There is a lot here to read on these threads! So long as it is clear I intended no insult to anyone. I attempt to be as clear in my wording as possible so that I am understood as saying exactly what I intend to say... you made me rethink my wording to be sure! Keep me on my toes... ;) Thank you very much for clarifying! Have a good day/night!

[Brandie]

This news is a little disconcerting.Within the boundaries of respect I have the impression that the purpose of the Avalonians is to gather information and question events and information on a variety of subjects and lvl's. Charles definitely falls into the category of the unknown.

Hi Annie,

... and "unknown" means it still has the potential to be good! "Known"... way too boring. =) I just like new materials and things to consider.

Best,

Brandie

[The Arthen]

Just go along with caution, that's all.

In fact I'm glad there are those who believe Charles, and those who are skeptical. We need both sides.

[Mayan2012]

I'm not convinced yet that this guy is the real deal. Meanwhile everyone is falling all over themselves to ask this guy questions like he's the esoteric Ann Landers. Am I wrong ? If so please tell me how we actually know he's not a BS artist. Pardon my frankness but I'm from the Bronx ( the show me state ).

It is not becoming the Charles forum. This site is Bill Ryan's forum and we are his guests. I and I assume all of us here have become members because we consider Bill's videos to be what Bill believes is the truth, and that is good enough for me. The only way that I would believe this information even more is if I were there personally.

As far as the Charles material, we have to trust Bill's judgement of Charles' credibility. We should all take this material with a grain of salt anyway, just like everything else in this world that we cannot verify personally.

The reason that it seems like this has turned into "The Charles Forum" is that the material he is presenting is of such importance to the world (if it is in fact true and I think it has a ring of truth. so I will play along with it and see how it unfolds, that I think is the prudent thing to do.) that it takes precedence over all issues going on on the planet now, in the past and in the future. All events may stem from this small group it seems or at least they seem to have a hand in everything. If that is the case and we have an opportunity to communicate with them, then it is our best chance to affect the outcome of the future of humanity. We need to find out exactly who these individuals are, what power do they actually posses over the world and over us individually. What kind of people are they? Do they care about us, weather we live or die? Are they on the fence about it and trying to make a decision based on how this communication with us unfolds.
All the major events in our history such as wars, world finances, famines, the holocaust, etc. may have their roots with these 33 individuals and their ancestors. So if you do care about yourself, your family, your friends and the rest of humanity, it might behoove you to pay attention, participate and try to be part of the solution. They may be the cause of all that is happening around the world right now and they may be the solution to all the problems right now.
Charles is simply the messenger at this time.

[granny]

I really hope this is all true. I have seen too many scenarioes that are almost identical turn out to be fake. The "Source A" fiasco on open minds forum and the "Hidden hand bloodline" thread on god like productions forums spring to mind. Perhap some online demo of physic powers or something between charles and the members? I really want this to be true and for something to come of it. I hope its not py-ops. No disrespect intended. :)

Hope this is ok to post here ...

I am interested in what happened to the Source A material from Clay and Shawn. I listened to the show and all the whispering behind the hands struck me as suspicious ... let alont the fantastic material. Great story though.

A link would be super or just could say the ET rock was just BS. lol

gran

[Nela]

Hi Brandie,

Yes, there are the "rules" set by them, but I was thinking more of the set of Laws operating within Universe and pertaining to all living creatures. Because if we want to transcendent this game they set (my starting point is that they devised a false reality, the Matrix, the illusion in which we all live in, with a definite set of "rules" ) we would have to observe and learn those laws. One example would be a Law of Free Will. I have been experimenting with this in my everyday life, and I know that there is much more to this law that meets the eye.

However, being confined to linear thinking it is not an easy endeavor to understand vast complexity of dynamics pertaining to this Law, even what I have understood (and using!!!) so far would take a very long post to explain.

Most people even when they awake get stuck at the point that there is nothing we (individually) can do because they have all the power and we have none. My point being that much of their perceived "power" is inflated. I really don't believe they can kill anybody at whim. It involves complexities as to how much intended "victim" is aware, are there "victim" traits within its personality, to which level person is aware of its own free will to choose its experiences (to certain extent) and level of perception of the person to identify when it is under the "attack". I have observed that in many cases they don't choose to "take someone out", but they are using other means which is to make person commit suicide (do you know how many researchers committed suicide? A lot.)

We are in war, no doubt about that. And this war is waged on many levels, which is why we should not get our attention fixed in 5 senses conspiracy only- it is just a part of it. Behind those "rulers" are beings from other dimensions and game is also played on other levels. And we are not powerless as they try so hard to make us believe, but we have a lot to learn in order to understand the game so that we can influence it.

With certain knowledge and understanding of this multidimensional dynamics, we can perceive and counter their "attacks" and we can also disturb their plans. If we "get" correctly the Law of Manifestation, we can use it in the opposite direction to put their plans from the state of potentiality to the state of non-potentiality. Which is, IMHO, already done to a certain extent- by simple knowing potential form of "attack" (just by being aware of it, without emotional input of fear) it sorts of take away energy from its manifestation (maybe so-called fly pandemic is an example of this- so much has been invested here, but it turned out to be pretty much "impotent". Is it possible that the original plan failed because there was awareness of this possible line of attack?). That would explain the "secrecy" and heavy compartmentalization even within their own groups.

[granny]

I wonder...if Charles was discredited in the future (and I'm not saying he will be, just playing devils advocate) could that be mission accomplished for the controllers?

They saw how 'dangerous' Bill was to their plans in revealing information they would rather remain hidden. So they sent someone in to build everyone's hopes up (almost to hysteria) and then when it crashes, the project is discredited and people walk away. Job done. I have no evidence for this, just a thought. I am still completely open minded about Charles.

Ok, it is possible Charles is having us on ... although ... seems like he would have to do more than tap danciing and gum flapping to convince Bill of the reality of his message. I have listened to the orig interview again and found Charles attitude different on the boards ... we shall see how this unfolds.

We still must understand that all souls are present for a reason. If the 33 have attained the controller positions that still does not remove them from the ultimate equation. At the risk of them laughing without the realization of what they do, I say we send them the same loving energy as any other entitiy we encounter.

So love and kitties to Charles and the 33.

gran, who believes kitties are the best :laugh:

[Nela]

Ok, it is possible Charles is having us on ... although ... seems like he would have to do more than tap danciing and gum flapping to convince Bill of the reality of his message. I have listened to the orig interview again and found Charles attitude different on the boards ... we shall see how this unfolds.

We still must understand that all souls are present for a reason. If the 33 have attained the controller positions that still does not remove them from the ultimate equation. At the risk of them laughing without the realization of what they do, I say we send them the same loving energy as any other entitiy we encounter.

So love and kitties to Charles and the 33.

gran, who believes kitties are the best :laugh:

Dear Granny,
I am not capable of sending love to Charles at this moment, but my love goes to you and kitties definitively!!!!!:nod:

[granny]

i once heard a quote that the whole population of the world could fit comfortably in the state of Texas. that might have been a slight exaggeration or maybe not. but i live in the second smallest state in the USA, Delaware. and if you drive from north to south Delaware it becomes so apparent that the world is not overpopulated. it's just that the majority of people live in small spaces such as cities and suburbs. but the vast land that is uninhabited is overwhelming. so it's pretty obvious that the world is overpopulated from the stand point of someone who wants to control people and their minds. the more people around, the harder it is to maintain control

One thing I noticed while relistening to the orig interview:

On the GMO food question ... what I did not realize at first was this. Not only do they plan to allow only GMO crops to be grown by large farming outfits (supposedly because that is the only way to feed the world at this level of population), but they also plan to pull the plug on the growing of the GMOs so that there will not be enough food for the world.

Did anyone else get this, because i was thinking that the use of the GMO food was to provide unhealthy food for the population and drag us down that way. I realize now that would possibly be too slow a process for depopulation.

What do youi guys think on this? Did anyone else get that same plan from what was said?
gran

[norman]

yes I got that the first time I heard it.

It's VERY standard procedure in may aspects of business too.

The environmental aspects of a GMO program are so clearly untested that I can only assume that the people behind it are not expecting to be confined to this planet much longer.

[bodixa]

This news is a little disconcerting.Within the boundaries of respect I have the impression that the purpose of the Avalonians is to gather information and question events and information on a variety of subjects and lvl's. Charles definitely falls into the category of the unknown.


Well I guess I have a choice. I can either join in with the Charles debate, or ignore it and let it run its course and instead use the rest of this fantastic resource to continue my own learning. :)

[Mayan2012]

Hi Brandie,

Yes, there are the "rules" set by them, but I was thinking more of the set of Laws operating within Universe and pertaining to all living creatures. Because if we want to transcendent this game they set (my starting point is that they devised a false reality, the Matrix, the illusion in which we all live in, with a definite set of "rules" ) we would have to observe and learn those laws. One example would be a Law of Free Will. I have been experimenting with this in my everyday life, and I know that there is much more to this law that meets the eye.

However, being confined to linear thinking it is not an easy endeavor to understand vast complexity of dynamics pertaining to this Law, even what I have understood (and using!!!) so far would take a very long post to explain.

Most people even when they awake get stuck at the point that there is nothing we (individually) can do because they have all the power and we have none. My point being that much of their perceived "power" is inflated. I really don't believe they can kill anybody at whim. It involves complexities as to how much intended "victim" is aware, are there "victim" traits within its personality, to which level person is aware of its own free will to choose its experiences (to certain extent) and level of perception of the person to identify when it is under the "attack". I have observed that in many cases they don't choose to "take someone out", but they are using other means which is to make person commit suicide (do you know how many researchers committed suicide? A lot.)

We are in war, no doubt about that. And this war is waged on many levels, which is why we should not get our attention fixed in 5 senses conspiracy only- it is just a part of it. Behind those "rulers" are beings from other dimensions and game is also played on other levels. And we are not powerless as they try so hard to make us believe, but we have a lot to learn in order to understand the game so that we can influence it.

With certain knowledge and understanding of this multidimensional dynamics, we can perceive and counter their "attacks" and we can also disturb their plans. If we "get" correctly the Law of Manifestation, we can use it in the opposite direction to put their plans from the state of potentiality to the state of non-potentiality. Which is, IMHO, already done to a certain extent- by simple knowing potential form of "attack" (just by being aware of it, without emotional input of fear) it sorts of take away energy from its manifestation (maybe so-called fly pandemic is an example of this- so much has been invested here, but it turned out to be pretty much "impotent". Is it possible that the original plan failed because there was awareness of this possible line of attack?). That would explain the "secrecy" and heavy compartmentalization even within their own groups.

Nela:

I am impressed by your thoughts. I agree 100%
I believe that whomever is seen as having power has as much power over us as we give them. They know how to manipulate events and people by using our weaknesses, our fears, our strengths, our desires, our needs, in a way that serves them without us knowing it. In fact we are usually thankful for what they do which makes us slaves to their agenda.
They give us just about all the credit we can stand and then some, so that we can get in debt to them and have to work and work to try to pay off our debts, but at the same time, they raise our interest rates so that it makes it harder for us to pay the debts off and at the same time they tempt us with new unnecessary gadgets that we just can't seem to live without so we buy them as soon as our balance comes down enough.
Of course, then there are the holidays that were invented to make people buy more things for other people who also have to buy gifts for every one else. In the mean time everyone is going into debt.
Then comes the stress that all this working and spending brings, and we all know that stress is one of the main causes of illness in the world. another is the food that has been tampered with by them.
I guess we get the picture.
Since you understand that there are laws of the Universe, you might be interested, if you don't know about it yet, that there there is a book called "The Kybalion" http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.asp?chapter=II http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000IN21UG/ref=dp_otherviews_0?ie=UTF8&s=books&img=0.
This book is about the seven Hermetic Principles or laws of the Universe. The Principles are: Mental, Correspondence, Vibration, Polarity, Rhythm, Cause and Effect and Gender. I highly suggest you take a look at it. I have read this book from cover to cover a half a dozen times and every time I do, I learn something that I didn't learn the time before.

[unplugged]

As far as the Charles material, we have to trust Bill's judgement of Charles' credibility.

Er, NO! We are under no moral or other compunction to trust anyone but ourselves. I listened to one half of 1 tape with Charles and turned it off as it set off every conceivable alarm in me. I am where I am today living the life I'm living because I've learned to trust my Inner guidance. Bill's body language, carefully-selected softball questions and disgustingly obsequious manner was enough for me. That, more than even Charles, was the turn-off for me. Had I not marveled at Bill's expert questioning and probing of other witnesses who've graced Camelot over the years I probably wouldn't have been quite as put off. And, for the record, I must say I agree with Kerry insofar as the bit I listened to before I tuned it out. The only remarkable thing was the lack of anything remarkable whatsoever.

[Nela]

Nela:

I am impressed by your thoughts. I agree 100%
I believe that whomever is seen as having power has as much power over us as we give them. They know how to manipulate events and people by using our weaknesses, our fears, our strengths, our desires, our needs, in a way that serves them without us knowing it. In fact we are usually thankful for what they do which makes us slaves to their agenda.
They give us just about all the credit we can stand and then some, so that we can get in debt to them and have to work and work to try to pay off our debts, but at the same time, they raise our interest rates so that it makes it harder for us to pay the debts off and at the same time they tempt us with new unnecessary gadgets that we just can't seem to live without so we buy them as soon as our balance comes down enough.
Of course, then there are the holidays that were invented to make people buy more things for other people who also have to buy gifts for every one else. In the mean time everyone is going into debt.
Then comes the stress that all this working and spending brings, and we all know that stress is one of the main causes of illness in the world. another is the food that has been tampered with by them.
I guess we get the picture.
Since you understand that there are laws of the Universe, you might be interested, if you don't know about it yet, that there there is a book called "The Kybalion" http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.asp?chapter=II http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000IN21UG/ref=dp_otherviews_0?ie=UTF8&s=books&img=0.
This book is about the seven Hermetic Principles or laws of the Universe. The Principles are: Mental, Correspondence, Vibration, Polarity, Rhythm, Cause and Effect and Gender. I highly suggest you take a look at it. I have read this book from cover to cover a half a dozen times and every time I do, I learn something that I didn't learn the time before.

Hi Mayan!

Thanks for the book! I will start reading as of today!

I would recommend to you site Montalk.net. It belongs to a guy named Tom, and I think he is a genius. He has a lot of good staff there.

The interesting thing is also INTENT. Sometimes it works, and when it does it is fast and happens in the most unconceivable way, but sometimes not. I am in the process of experimenting with this trying to figure out what are the factors.

I wonder, what would happen if a few people (just ordinary people) gather together and concentrate on the same intent at the same time. Can, for example, they call forth the rain if there is a drought, or maybe could such an intent be powerful enough to shut down a nuclear facility? Or can common intent of the large number of people influence some inevitable earth changes to at least lessen their impact? If that is possible, why we don't organize ourselves and go to work?

[Mayan2012]

Er, NO! We are under no moral or other compunction to trust anyone but ourselves. I listened to one half of 1 tape with Charles and turned it off as it set off every conceivable alarm in me. I am where I am today living the life I'm living because I've learned to trust my Inner guidance. Bill's body language, carefully-selected softball questions and disgustingly obsequious manner was enough for me. That, more than even Charles, was the turn-off for me. Had I not marveled at Bill's expert questioning and probing of other witnesses who've graced Camelot over the years I probably wouldn't have been quite as put off. And, for the record, I must say I agree with Kerry insofar as the bit I listened to before I tuned it out. The only remarkable thing was the lack of anything remarkable whatsoever.

When I said we have to trust Bill's judgement I meant as far as Charles credibility and the material being presented, since we can't personally verify anything that Charles says. I take everything I hear and read with a grain of salt. Regardless of where the information is coming from.
I also did not imply that we have a moral obligation or other compunction to trust them.
I respect your point of view but I feel that if we can't prove anything one way or another, it is prudent to at lest keep an open mind about everything.

[Mayan2012]

Hi Mayan!

Thanks for the book! I will start reading as of today!

I would recommend to you site Montalk.net. It belongs to a guy named Tom, and I think he is a genius. He has a lot of good staff there.

The interesting thing is also INTENT. Sometimes it works, and when it does it is fast and happens in the most unconceivable way, but sometimes not. I am in the process of experimenting with this trying to figure out what are the factors.

I wonder, what would happen if a few people (just ordinary people) gather together and concentrate on the same intent at the same time. Can, for example, they call forth the rain if there is a drought, or maybe could such an intent be powerful enough to shut down a nuclear facility? Or can common intent of the large number of people influence some inevitable earth changes to at least lessen their impact? If that is possible, why we don't organize ourselves and go to work?

Nela, it just so happens that two years ago in Atlanta their was a big gathering of people to think focus on rain in the middle of a drought and low and behold it did rain.
The news of the gathering was in the paper before it took place and then the paper commented on how it rained. So common intent does work.
Are you familiar with David Wilcock's material? If not, do yourself a favor and look him up on You Tube and enjoy his videos. I think you will become a fan as I did.

[The Arthen]

I suddenly got chills, because Celine and some of the women of this forum hold considerable emotional influence over others. Win those over...and...bingo.

Ok, you can start throwing stones at me now

[Nela]

When I said we have to trust Bill's judgement I meant as far as Charles credibility and the material being presented, since we can't personally verify anything that Charles says. I take everything I hear and read with a grain of salt. Regardless of where the information is coming from.
I also did not imply that we have a moral obligation or other compunction to trust them.
I respect your point of view but I feel that if we can't prove anything one way or another, it is prudent to at lest keep an open mind about everything.

Right. And we can certainly "stomach" a bit of disinformation without permanent damage to our brains. The information presented so far is either something we already knew, or partial disinfo- like a story on beings that "created us." Well, they haven't, they hi-jacked the planet and they mutilated us, or yes, they "created" us as we are now. But "by their deeds you shall know them" so if we turn around we will see what kind of "creators" they are, and what level they are on. Why bother? Because if you want to win, you have to know your "enemy" so if "they" are really here, we can just as well use this opportunity. And if "they" are really here (communicating with us), maybe that is exactly what they are doing- observing what "sheep" could possibly know about their plans... Since they are prone to "wishful thinking" that would not help them much, I bet they are somewhat surprised.

It is up to everyone to perceive this situation according to their will. Some will see it as a danger, some will see it as an opportunity. I personally have read so much junk so far, but how would I ever learn to discern if I haven't? No need to get emotional, but discussion is on order. We should and we can, together, take down every lie if we remain balanced and avoid attacking each other. Attacking received information is the goal. If it is truthful, it will survive. If it is a lie, it will die. So, let's make a storm. A brainstorm!

And cheer up! Humor is a powerful weapon. They don't have it, and that one can not be subject to "reversed engineering"!!!:rockon:

[InCiDeR]

I recognize that many refers to Bills credibility whether to ”trust” Charlie or not, and if Charlie turns out to be a deceiver that Bill will fall as well. In my point of view, Bill is the interface in this matrix that allows different software (Charlie) to present themselves as they are, and Bill is doing a great job being that interface, then it’s really up to us whether to use the program or not. You can not really claim the interface for not working when actually it is the software that not meet your demands/wishes.

Myself see Charlie more like a catalyst that triggers a chain of events without really being involved in the process, our process. It is like a battery, without polarity it will no longer work, our body is the battery and our soul is the energy that emits from the core and allows the light to be.

[Nela]

Nela, it just so happens that two years ago in Atlanta their was a big gathering of people to think focus on rain in the middle of a drought and low and behold it did rain.
The news of the gathering was in the paper before it took place and then the paper commented on how it rained. So common intent does work.
Are you familiar with David Wilcock's material? If not, do yourself a favor and look him up on You Tube and enjoy his videos. I think you will become a fan as I did.

I know, I go to David Wilcock's site daily to see if there is something new!
I am sorry I live so far away (Serbia), otherwise I would attend all those conferences and events. I feel somewhat lonely here...

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I recognize that many refers to Bills credibility whether to ”trust” Charlie or not, and if Charlie turns out to be a deceiver that Bill will fall as well. In my point of view, Bill is the interface in this matrix that allows different software (Charlie) to present themselves as they are, and Bill is doing a great job being that interface, then it’s really up to us whether to use the program or not. You can not really claim the interface for not working when actually it is the software that not meet your demands/wishes.

Myself see Charlie more like a catalyst that triggers a chain of events without really being involved in the process, our process. It is like a battery, without polarity it will no longer work, our body is the battery and our soul is the energy that emits from the core and allows the light to be.

Interestingly, I have a same feeling about communication with Charlie being a trigger for something else...

[InCiDeR]

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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

Well put, Sepia. But as well we are the students, we are also the teachers. Maybe that's why Charlie claims "that we are helping him now" when we participate in his so called "interview".

[HaveBlue]

Concerning the title of this thread. It is well known that this forum is called Avalon and that people are free to read and post when and where they see fit.
Since the 'charles' material is the lateset topic of interest it is no surprise that it has the limelight.

The importance the subject matter is plain for all to see.
The naming of a thread in this way is negative which ever way you look at it.
There are many other threads here for perusal if the charles material does not interest you.

This thread should only have one post in it. The first post should be 2 letters- no.
thread closed.

[Isostool]

Well at least one member has been shown the exit door for not toeing the Charles party line. Dangerous precident if you ask me. I remain unconvinced but have purposefully refrained from taking part in the discussion as It feels as frog has said that dissenting opinions will not be tolerated.

Three people have been shown the door as I can tell, Shiva777, redeyeblue and manny. There may be more. I'm not sure. I only found out about Shiva777 when I went to write him a PM and his profile said unsubscribed. And he had been a heavy dissenter.

Edit post: [I just went and checked..] He's back. I wonder what went on there?

[Gajanana]

Nothing charles has said has changed my beliefs or outlook in the slightest... however, the members of this forum have taught me BUNDLES! Maybe charles has yet to come up with the goods, if he does, then Brill! If he doesnt, no problem. The thing that struck me most on the original interview, was the fact that Bill seemed to be ****ting himself and no wonder when you consider charles' background.

We can all change though, I know I have. After walking the same streets as charles, Ive found something else and that is a belief in myself. Seeing as I believe we are all One, myself includes all of you and I believe all of you are various parts of myself - I need to see the good, chuck out the non usefull and enjoy life. Tough ride though aint it? :cool:

[Bill Ryan]

Three people have been shown the door as I can tell, Shiva777, redeyeblue and manny. There may be more. I'm not sure. I only found out about Shiva777 when I went to write him a PM and his profile said unsubscribed. And he had been a heavy dissenter.

Edit post: [I just went and checked..] He's back. I wonder what went on there?

Hi Folks:

[Mod Hat On]

A clarification: Shiva777 had for a long time been flouting posting guidelines, and the mods had had many attempts to communicate with him. Redeyeblue was verbally violent, and was asked to leave. Manny was drunk when he made a very abusive outburst, and was unsubscribed for 30 days. He e-mailed us to apologize very magnanimously. He will be welcomed back.

Members are never asked to leave because of their views. They are asked to leave because of their conduct. Please see my opening post on the Welcome thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?61-Welcome-New-Members) for more details.

[Gajanana]

Hi Folks:

[Mod Hat On]

A clarification: Shiva777 had for a long time been flouting posting guidelines, and the mods had had many attempts to communicate with him. Redeyeblue was verbally violent, and was asked to leave. Manny was drunk when he made a very abusive outburst, and was unsubscribed for 30 days. He e-mailed us to apologize very magnanimously. He will be welcomed back.

Members are never asked to leave because of their views. They are asked to leave because of their conduct. Please see my opening post on the Welcome thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?61-Welcome-New-Members) for more details.

He will be welcomed back... nice one Bill.

[Bill Ryan]

The thing that struck me most on the original interview, was the fact that Bill seemed to be ****ting himself and no wonder when you consider charles' background.

Quite wrong. :)

The care I was taking was because of the sensitivity of the subject matter. I was astounded that the interview was taking place at all. I hadn't known for sure until we turned the camera on that it was actually going to happen.

I wasn't concerned about my safety. I was concerned about making a good interview from the opportunity of a synthesis of more than 30 hours of prior conversation, much of which covered very complicated ground, in limited time.

[Gajanana]

My mistake - cheers :cool:

[jorr lundstrom]

XLNT job Bill:cool: Thank you

Jorr

[Tangri]

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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

Hi Sepia,
I think Master means not a "Sahib","owner" but a Teacher.
Yes you can be your own teacher but also you can use a light from any source.
I had a lot master in the past ;They were my professor, my Chess partner, my (experienced) co-worker, old time philosophizer.
They never had me, I had my own free will.

Sincerely Love

[Tangri]

Nothing charles has said has changed my beliefs or outlook in the slightest... however, the members of this forum have taught me BUNDLES! Maybe charles has yet to come up with the goods, if he does, then Brill! If he doesnt, no problem. The thing that struck me most on the original interview, was the fact that Bill seemed to be ****ting himself and no wonder when you consider charles' background.

We can all change though, I know I have. After walking the same streets as charles, Ive found something else and that is a belief in myself. Seeing as I believe we are all One, myself includes all of you and I believe all of you are various parts of myself - I need to see the good, chuck out the non usefull and enjoy life. Tough ride though aint it? :cool:

Gajanana you are right at the moment. Charles did not give anything that we can touch yet.
Maybe(actually I am pretty sure) Bill knows more than what we heard. Wait and see

[jorr lundstrom]

Originally Posted by sepia
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Thank you for this thread.

Sitting at any Masters feet, in fascination and awe can make us forget how we can become Masters ourselves.

Hi Sepia

How easy it is lose ones being in becoming. You are a master already.;)

Jorr

[joedjemal]

I recognize that many refers to Bills credibility whether to ”trust” Charlie or not, and if Charlie turns out to be a deceiver that Bill will fall as well. In my point of view, Bill is the interface in this matrix that allows different software (Charlie) to present themselves as they are, and Bill is doing a great job being that interface, then it’s really up to us whether to use the program or not. You can not really claim the interface for not working when actually it is the software that not meet your demands/wishes.

Myself see Charlie more like a catalyst that triggers a chain of events without really being involved in the process, our process. It is like a battery, without polarity it will no longer work, our body is the battery and our soul is the energy that emits from the core and allows the light to be.

I don't think Bill will fall if Charles turns out to be a deceiver. I'm involved here because of the quality of the members not this particular bit of material (it did catch my eye and bring me here) although if we get some decent information about our history I'll be delighted.

[irishspirit]

Hi Folks:

[Mod Hat On]

A clarification: Shiva777 had for a long time been flouting posting guidelines, and the mods had had many attempts to communicate with him. Redeyeblue was verbally violent, and was asked to leave. Manny was drunk when he made a very abusive outburst, and was unsubscribed for 30 days. He e-mailed us to apologize very magnanimously. He will be welcomed back.

Members are never asked to leave because of their views. They are asked to leave because of their conduct. Please see my opening post on the Welcome thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?61-Welcome-New-Members) for more details.


I can attest to that Bill. Avalon is, and will continue to be, the greatest forum on the internet.

I have never been made to feel apart of something quite as amazing as Avalon. People are free to express their views without being attacked, on a personal or intellectual way.

Avalon is different to all others for many reason. Avalon has a purpose and a reason for being. And I am proud and privileged to be invited here, and to share so much time with many many great people.

[Bill Ryan]

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Out of interest (and to answer the question in the thread title!) I just took this screenshot:

http://projectavalon.net/Todays_posts_29_January.gif

[Gajanana]

Well put Irish. I would also like to underline that even if I say something maybe a bit off course, being put right is done in such an acceptable way, that I dont feel "bad" about it... a very cool place indeed. Tipping my hat to Bill :hat:

[jorr lundstrom]

No its all members forum:cool:

[greybeard]

Hi Folks:

[Mod Hat On]

A clarification: Shiva777 had for a long time been flouting posting guidelines, and the mods had had many attempts to communicate with him. Redeyeblue was verbally violent, and was asked to leave. Manny was drunk when he made a very abusive outburst, and was unsubscribed for 30 days. He e-mailed us to apologize very magnanimously. He will be welcomed back.

Members are never asked to leave because of their views. They are asked to leave because of their conduct. Please see my opening post on the Welcome thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?61-Welcome-New-Members) for more details.

Having been a member of this and previous PA I feel that Bill and the Mods do a great Job, they are very tolerant.
I have been asked to be a Mod on several occasions but said no as I am very out of the box at times and there is no point tin being a Mod if I cant stick to the guideline/rules, I dont and tend to wander of topic, I have not been pulled up for it as I tend to self correct after a while.

I am opinionated and promote the ego thread strongly on every occasion I can as I personally believe it is very important to do so.
I of course still have one, EGO, my humor is also intact Laughing.

What I am sayng is that this is a brilliant forum, well run with consideration for all members old and new. There are many excellent posts from new members.
So while I would like to whole heartedly support Charles I cant hand on heart do so yet.
I do however whole heartedly support Bill.

regards to all
Chris

[sepia]

Hi Sepia,
I think Master means not a "Sahib","owner" but a Teacher.
Yes you can be your own teacher but also you can use a light from any source.

Sincerely Love

Thank you, for picking my sentence up again.

I learned from many Teachers and still do.
I met Masters - spiritual beings, free from Karma, humble, compassionate - enlightened you would say - in this world and in the spiritual realms.

The learning process goes on and I'm more than grateful for this.

My point was the following:

What we see, perceive and love on others we can bring to light inside of us.

But if your head falls back into your neck in awe and fascination, you make yourself small.

This would mean to repeat what is taught by the church (at least in my culture):

"Jesus is God's son and you are not worth the sand on his feet."

Our potential is beyond limits. - But you know that :)

On this Forum this will not be forgotten.

[BenjiRixon]

Well i might as well throw my 10 pence worth in :rolleyes:

I must admit the charles material first brought me to this forum as i was looking for more info/evidence after watching the video, but once here i noticed all the other topics and subjects and realised this is the place i need to be. As Upon reading the various topics and subjects, i had found many answers i have been looking for and also like minded people who share the same views. This is by far the best place to find wide and varied info with the minimum amount of bs and very knowledgable memebers with huge bs radars to ensure quality information, which makes it such a great community to be part of, its not just a 'one trick pony'.

For me the charles material is just another subject/topic that i read about with an open mind and wait for more info to unfold before i make any assumptions as such.

[Nela]

Hi Sepia,
I think Master means not a "Sahib","owner" but a Teacher.
Yes you can be your own teacher but also you can use a light from any source.
I had a lot master in the past ;They were my professor, my Chess partner, my (experienced) co-worker, old time philosophizer.
They never had me, I had my own free will.

Sincerely Love

Hi Levent tonga,

I think that in the context it was made, this statement is a very profound one and address a really big issue. It is about looking up to external authority versus taking responsibility for yourself. And this is the very lesson that human race is about to learn. And in the context that it was made, Master does not mean Teacher. The intent of those self-proclaimed Masters and Rulers of the World is not to teach us, but to own us, and it is very clear.

However, if people learn to take all they have experienced as a lessons, and learn that there is no other authority in their life except themselves and to finally get up and stand on their own feet, and get out of victim mentality, that is when the shift happens. THAN the Masters and Rulers will became a teachers, even if unwillingly. Than we take away power that we gave them, and we are free.

After we gain our own freedom, we have an obligation to carry and share this spirit among our fellow people, but not by becoming their teachers, leaders, gurus and masters (I would never go down that road, it is very corruptible for the soul) but by being an example and inspiration.

[araucaria]

I thought Bill had lost all credibility with the Serpo business?! I expect he'd just eat his hat, buy a headscarf or something, and carry on as before. And so would we.
'His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery' (James Joyce)

This post may have been ambiguous, if so I apologise. My joining this forum is proof that for myself Bill's credibility is intact and will remain so. However, I feel like an inexperienced driver trying to join the motorway at rush hour.
If I may add, you guys are just so nice to each other, did no one tell you it doesn't work this way: this bird won't fly?!
Yes but it does, doesn't it, a whole flock in fact, producing some amazing shapes!
Best wishes to all

[Annie]

It is great that you cleared this up for all Bill.These tiny little seeds of discontent tend to grow into large distracting trees.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

A lovely post araucaria.Well said

[OneLittleFrog]

It is great that you cleared this up for all Bill.These tiny little seeds of discontent tend to grow into large distracting trees.

That's correct, seeds of discontent must be stomped out. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I'll leave peacefully .............................

[Intraphase]

That's correct, seeds of discontent must be stomped out. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I'll leave peacefully .............................

Are you a victim?
Or are you a frog?

Frogs don't think like that.
Be a frog. Why? It ain't easy being green.
Kermit The Frog

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpiIWMWWVco

This is how the pro vs. con Annunaki arguments stack up. One or the other.

The Eye begets Frog Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TKerWEQono

[Bill Ryan]

It is great that you cleared this up for all Bill.These tiny little seeds of discontent tend to grow into large distracting trees.

That's correct, seeds of discontent must be stomped out. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I'll leave peacefully .............................


Might be more accurate to say seeds of misunderstanding.

[Carmody]

Quite wrong. :)

The care I was taking was because of the sensitivity of the subject matter. I was astounded that the interview was taking place at all. I hadn't known for sure until we turned the camera on that it was actually going to happen.

I wasn't concerned about my safety. I was concerned about making a good interview from the opportunity of a synthesis of more than 30 hours of prior conversation, much of which covered very complicated ground, in limited time.

yes. it was my understanding that the process of the interview had to be accelerated to some degree. I winced when I watched it for that very reason, knowing some people would see it in their minds.. as an 'arranged' set up. Where if it were a court of inquiry -which journalistic interviews are in some ways, regarding the idea of bringing out data to the given observing group- people would be screaming from the rooftops "Objection! He's leading he witness, your Honor!"

The problem for them (viewers of the prior interviews), is that every single interview that had come before, was of the exact opposite nature. Ones where you and/or Kerry, would sit there and allow the person to ramble on, with as little interruption as is possible. These viewers would and could be very shocked, confused, and concerned when they saw this seeming 'arranged' format emerge in this interview.

I read the words you stated before and in the typed bits before the interview, so there was an awareness of what was going on. Still.. I had to sit back and wait. Now, for most other people, clarity on these seemingly subtle but critical points is being taken in and ruminated upon.

[peterspm]

That's correct, seeds of discontent must be stomped out. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I'll leave peacefully .............................

things don't look very peaceful to me, not with billions living on less than a dollar a day.

[Bill Ryan]

things don't look very peaceful to me, not with billions living on less than a dollar a day.

Off-topic, but here's one statistic which shocked me when I heard it a few years ago - and which I still remember:

There are 2 billion people who have never made a telephone call.

(13 years ago, in 1998, it was half the world's population (http://www.unrisd.org/unrisd/website/newsview.nsf/%28httpNews%29/34329FCA3B21925D80256B7B003DCF2A?OpenDocument).)

[Nela]

That's correct, seeds of discontent must be stomped out. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I'll leave peacefully .............................

Oh, OneLittleFrog came back, don't give up so easily! We all need each other, there is so small number of us in the world!
Pull yourself together and drag your little green ass back here! :welcome:

[Mike]

the Charles material, whether good or bad intent, whether accurate or inaccurate or somewhere in between, is, well...fun! i'm enjoying the give and take here, and fully understand the ramifications of Charles' disclosures, but I retain the right to remain steadfastly ambivalent until I decide to jump off to one side of the proverbial fence. I'm digesting all of this with a grain of salt(or 2) and simply enjoying the ride. I'll need a bit more than an interesting video to be totally convinved, and until then I'll maintain a healthy dose of what I think we'd all do well to maintain: an unserious seriousness. a bit cloudy, a bit abstract? yes. but i think you all get the idea;)

[Mayan2012]

I don't think Bill will fall if Charles turns out to be a deceiver. I'm involved here because of the quality of the members not this particular bit of material (it did catch my eye and bring me here) although if we get some decent information about our history I'll be delighted.

I'm with you joedjemal.
Bill credibility does not depend on Charles in the slightest.
Bill simply is the one who brought him to us so that we could be presented with new information.
Weather it turns out to be true or not is not a reflection on Bill.
I am thankful that Bill does present us with a variety of information for us to chew and digest or chew and spit out. It's up to us.

XLNT work Bill and thank you for all you do.

[Tangri]

Off-topic, but here's one statistic which shocked me when I heard it a few years ago - and which I still remember:

There are 2 billion people who have never made a telephone call.

(13 years ago, in 1998, it was half the world's population (http://www.unrisd.org/unrisd/website/newsview.nsf/%28httpNews%29/34329FCA3B21925D80256B7B003DCF2A?OpenDocument).)

I am sorry Bill, but I am little skeptic about statistics.
Unlike North America, Europe most of third word country do not use cell phone or resident phone.
They have pay phone , post office phone.(in a small town one phone serves everybody.)
Now days same statistics is going to be on internet usage. most of the population using internet cafes. if you minus 300 millions N .American+ 400millions Europeans you do the Math.

[Nela]

Are we really sure that there are 6 bil. people on the planet? Who did the counting? Can we trust that source? I know that my nation is rapidly dying, as many other nations are fighting for survival... Somehow this info on rapidly growing population makes me wonder...

[plumr2007]

Off-topic, but here's one statistic which shocked me when I heard it a few years ago - and which I still remember:

There are 2 billion people who have never made a telephone call.

(13 years ago, in 1998, it was half the world's population (http://www.unrisd.org/unrisd/website/newsview.nsf/%28httpNews%29/34329FCA3B21925D80256B7B003DCF2A?OpenDocument).)

They must use facebook.

[greybeard]

The thing with whistle blower sites is that something has to be going on, we have tremendous curiosity, very hunter gatherer.
All to the good.
Now Charles is no here at the moment we are deprived of information so we are not talking about what Charles said .

Oh Yeah we are talking about what Kerry said about what Charles said.

No wonder Charles said that it wasn't the questions it was the reaction that was interesting.

And we think we are not running programed.
Thats ok when you know it,
you can have a laugh at what you personally get up to as part of your programing.

If Charles was here talking to us would there be any interest in Kerry's blog.
I doubt it.

Be aware very aware,
Laughing, Im laughing at me too.

Chris

[Sentience]

The first post should be 2 letters- no.
thread closed.

Yes do not allow anyone with a view to articulate it. Censor them to an inch of their lives. There is no room in a modern society for debate!

[SPIRIT WOLF]

The thing with whistle blower sites is that something has to be going on, we have tremendous curiosity, very hunter gatherer.
All to the good.
Now Charles is no here at the moment we are deprived of information so we are not talking about what Charles said .

Oh Yeah we are talking about what Kerry said about what Charles said.

No wonder Charles said that it wasn't the questions it was the reaction that was interesting.

And we think we are not running programed.
Thats ok when you know it,
you can have a laugh at what you personally get up to as part of your programing.

If Charles was here talking to us would there be any interest in Kerry's blog.
I doubt it.

Be aware very aware,
Laughing, Im laughing at me too.

Chris

LOL deprived of one tiny source of possible information, the rest of the site is chock-a-block with data, who is suffering from withdrawal symptons? LOL LOL oh its too much ROFL

[Bill Ryan]

Off-topic, but here's one statistic which shocked me when I heard it a few years ago - and which I still remember:

There are 2 billion people who have never made a telephone call.

(13 years ago, in 1998, it was half the world's population (http://www.unrisd.org/unrisd/website/newsview.nsf/%28httpNews%29/34329FCA3B21925D80256B7B003DCF2A?OpenDocument).)

They must use facebook.

Simply not funny. You clearly have never traveled in India or Africa.

[greybeard]

Relax Bill
They are as they are.
I am as I am
We all experience and express differently in this world of duality
Much respect
Chris

[Nela]

Simply not funny. You clearly have never traveled in India or Africa.

Sorry Bill,

But the fact that someone haven't used phone or computer does not mean that their life is somehow less meaningful or less valuable to live than ours. Life can be experienced in many, many ways. I can bet that regardless of how our "left brain" sees their life, that life experience is valuable for the soul.

[Bill Ryan]

Off-topic, but here's one statistic which shocked me when I heard it a few years ago - and which I still remember:

There are 2 billion people who have never made a telephone call.

(13 years ago, in 1998, it was half the world's population.)

They must use facebook.

Simply not funny. You clearly have never traveled in India or Africa.

Sorry Bill,

But the fact that someone haven't used phone or computer does not mean that their life is somehow less meaningful or less valuable to live than ours. Life can be experienced in many, many ways. I can bet that regardless of how our "left brain" sees their life, that life experience is valuable for the soul.

Nela, I greatly appreciate all your contributions on the forum. But that bad joke was offensive.

I'm not saying that anyone's lives are not meaningful if they've never used a phone. I had a life-changing experience once (a story never told) in an encounter with a beggar in Nairobi over 20 years ago.

I'm just saying that there is such massive inequality and poverty and lack of opportunity in the world that it's not the kind of thing to make clever-clever comments about.

The people who live here probably don't have Facebook accounts...

http://projectavalon.net/Soweto_2.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

LOL deprived of one tiny source of possible information, the rest of the site is chock-a-block with data, who is suffering from withdrawal symptons? LOL LOL oh its too much ROFL

if you thought of Charles as a teacher here with training wheels to teach those not knowing how to ride a bike it would make more sense...

you've been riding for years, so relax and enjoy the show...

watching others learning to ride can be enjoyable...

[Nela]

Bill,

My country doesn't look so much different that this. In some areas there are no phone lines at all. In some higher regions, the electricity is also scarce.
We have experienced a very bloody war, and than NATO bombs. It was a real, real treat. But through that darkness, the real human spirit showed itself. What have saved us,
to remain sane was HUMOR. We were laughing at them, laughing at the situation and that made fear go away. I don't think that the comment that was made was malicious, it was just a joke.

[steve_a]

Hi Chinaski,

I think you're about right in your thinking. Don't take here so seriously.

Best regards,

Steve



the Charles material, whether good or bad intent, whether accurate or inaccurate or somewhere in between, is, well...fun! i'm enjoying the give and take here, and fully understand the ramifications of Charles' disclosures, but I retain the right to remain steadfastly ambivalent until I decide to jump off to one side of the proverbial fence. I'm digesting all of this with a grain of salt(or 2) and simply enjoying the ride. I'll need a bit more than an interesting video to be totally convinved, and until then I'll maintain a healthy dose of what I think we'd all do well to maintain: an unserious seriousness. a bit cloudy, a bit abstract? yes. but i think you all get the idea;)

[SPIRIT WOLF]

if you thought of Charles as a teacher here with training wheels to teach those not knowing how to ride a bike it would make more sense...

you've been riding for years, so relax and enjoy the show...

watching others learning to ride can be enjoyable...

Okey Dokey

[luking]

I find that I retain at least some level of healthy skepticism about most of the Camelot/Avalon interviewees. I'm glad to see that notion is alive and well here.

I like it that Bill is aware he could be the subject of deception, but he continues with this regardless.

Side note: there are many things Charles says that this community agrees with, in a 'duh' sorta way. Like the TV addiction. If any one of you were to post a video about TV addiction here, I'd watch it. I might even enjoy it.

[Bill Ryan]

Okey Dokey

Barry, seeing as you're viewing this thread, do allow me to remind you of these questions I asked yesterday:


so very many great threads covering so many subjects. All missed by the Novices

1) Barry, how do you know that?


so yes there IS a 'battle' of sorts going on as some of us are peeved at the inept actions of many Novices. Put that in your pipe and damn well smoke it!

2) Who's 'some of us'?

3) Why are you peeved?

Some information:

There's one 'novice' who at the age of 82 is old enough to be your mother (or mine).

There are other 'novices' who may have had valuable life experiences that you (or I) have not had.

There are more 'novices' who between them are exceptionally well-qualified in all branches of arts and science. They know stuff that you (and I) do not.

Other 'novices' still are young enough to be your children (or mine)... and will benefit from a dignified example, which you are not providing.

One does not have to have been heavily involved in black projects to have an intelligent, perceptive opinion that counts.

Or else it's you who are starting to sound like an elitist.

[Beren]

Being humble is a key of understanding. Opens the doors that would otherwise be forever shut.
Being humble is THE valor of Creator. Why don`t we all stop and think about that for a second? It`s becoming all ME ME ME and more of that...

Why I write this?
Because if you are not humble you are blocking yourself and my self from further development.
If I am not humble ,then I am blocking my self and yourself of developing and enjoying life.

We`re all connected and when one soul is aching by blocking themselves, we `re all feeling it. So stop blocking!

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Hi Bill, did not notice anyone asked questions along those lines. I cannot obviously betray any confidences, those that have written me in private and in confidence expressing same views. Guess we should all remain silent and not question? Why am I peeved? I thought I was simply speaking my mind, free speech, thats still alive and well here I take it? Yes dare say some novices or newbies as I prefer to call them could well be much older, making no difference to me. Some might have had certain experiences, but if they do not state so I have to assume they are simply researching as general public truth seeking on such forums. Judging by what I have seen many fall into that category. Forgetting some 'instant experts' of course. I'm no elitist, far from it just observing how things have gone here of late, an observation if you like. If anything I have said is rubbing anyone up the wrong way thats unfortunate. If I have broken rules kindly say so and we can see what those are and if any action needs be taken on that issue. Yes I am watching the board but if thats a problem on its own, just say, I can, as I have with the others, Manticore, Mists of Avalon and Kerry's Project Camelot, sign off and leave you all to it. Let me know please, cheers, Barry

[wegge]

Hello Barry,

I think you missed Bills most important question. How do you know all new members are absorbed by the charles material and don´t view the other threads.
As I understand it you are also a provider of information and you might fear that people are missing your information, or others, that is in your view important (don´t know your information).
I think the forum gained a healthy momentum over the last few days/weeks. Lot of people come here, share their personal stories and also try to help others with their talents. I think (for the third time) that the thirst for good information is not satisfied and people stell keep their eyes in every direction they might learn from.

cugito ergo sum :)
best wishes

[Fractalius]

I bet you all rushed to view the continuation of the drama when you saw there was a new post to the thread.
Would it be a good idea to start a thread with links to all argumentative threads, ego driven threads, and meltdown threads?
Just for ease of operation.:cool:
Hope everyone is having another good day. Oh I said that, never mind there's no harm in being nice more than the required once a day.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Hello Barry,

I think you missed Bills most important question. How do you know all new members are absorbed by the charles material and don´t view the other threads.
As I understand it you are also a provider of information and you might fear that people are missing your information, or others, that is in your view important (don´t know your information).
I think the forum gained a healthy momentum over the last few days/weeks. Lot of people come here, share their personal stories and also try to help others with their talents. I think (for the third time) that the thirst for good information is not satisfied and people stell keep their eyes in every direction they might learn from.

cugito ergo sum :)
best wishes

No I fear you too have missed a point. I do not care for anyone wishing to see my data or not, to me now thats irrelevant, for reasons made clear elsewhere. As others might make such a petty reason for my statements, its nothing to do with my data. Lets put it in perspective. The Bill and Charles interview was placed on youtube and I gather later that hundreds joined Avalon SOLELY from seeing that, from there the newbies were flocking solely around threads pertaining to him, and they were making new threads daily. Thats why I say (and those whom contacted me privately). There are so many great areas here at Avalon, many many threads covering all manner of subjects. But look at the members viewing certain Charles threads and you will note maximum numbers. I got very peeved when noticed a thread aimed specifically at healing for...........Charles. That was the limit. There were/still are numerous members whom could do with that but the newbies had eyes only for Charles. An example is a good friend of mine, Mike username Olgraybear, he deserves healing, moreso than Charles in my opinion. I speak my mind, always have done always will do. If my open speaking is not liked than I'm afraid nothing can be done I will continue with free speech till I'm kicked off here

[bluestflame]

meself, i'm still doing what i can to find the stillness within the chaos , I find it easy to become swept up in the drama , if i'm not mindful of that ,

am just sharing how i'm experiencing things at the moment , catalytc times

[Beren]

No I fear you too have missed a point. I do not care for anyone wishing to see my data or not, to me now thats irrelevant, for reasons made clear elsewhere. As others might make such a petty reason for my statements, its nothing to do with my data. Lets put it in perspective. The Bill and Charles interview was placed on youtube and I gather later that hundreds joined Avalon SOLELY from seeing that, from there the newbies were flocking solely around threads pertaining to him, and they were making new threads daily. Thats why I say (and those whom contacted me privately). There are so many great areas here at Avalon, many many threads covering all manner of subjects. But look at the members viewing certain Charles threads and you will note maximum numbers. I got very peeved when noticed a thread aimed specifically at healing for...........Charles. That was the limit. There were/still are numerous members whom could do with that but the newbies had eyes only for Charles. An example is a good friend of mine, Mike username Olgraybear, he deserves healing, moreso than Charles in my opinion. I speak my mind, always have done always will do. If my open speaking is not liked than I'm afraid nothing can be done I will continue with free speech till I'm kicked off here


Barry, I thank you for your efforts. You are doing a great thing. I don`t call it a "job" ,I call it a good thing for you are bringing good things here.
Consider this newbie thing as a good thing, otherwise they wouldn`t come here.

Or they wouldn`t have courage to speak out here in the open.
Got to tell you that people are afraid of judgment and this is the moment when they overcame their fears to step out,even for Charles. Later on hopefully some will pick up other stuff.

Can`t drink same juice for months... got to have new ones too...

One can`t say that carrot juice is better than orange or reverse, both are just wonderful!
The thing is always about finding that connection to Creator, in all possible ways that exist. You may search it differently than others and that`s the beauty of the thing!

Be well Barry!

P.S.

Your avatar kinda reminds me of white fang story... I enjoyed it as a kid...

[Agape]

LOL deprived of one tiny source of possible information, the rest of the site is chock-a-block with data, who is suffering from withdrawal symptons? LOL LOL oh its too much ROFL

I think that's where Barry is trying to point, right to the crux of things,
and where we all can't agree .

Charles , in fact, said very little, compared to other witnesses ..but for one or another reason, Bill gives him full trust, such as we give to people whom we know for years and have them tested in many ways,
lets say our teachers or close friends, esp those with immaculate discipline and life principles .

To speak about dogmas, believes and idologies is pointless , those all can be questioned and we're only right if questioning them.

Bill has presented Charles as someone who stands close to the truth, by capacities and experience ..

I've heard this motion from some of the new and old members alike .

I have a feeling for him and another feeling for what Bill has presented and it does not quite match to me either.



But I simply think there's no need to argue about anything here .


People have the choice , always to use their own brains for whatever they wish to use them ..


:love:

[wegge]

Thanks for sharing your perspective and what peeved you specifically about the wave of newbies and their acting on this forum.
Sorry about the sentence where i suggested you might fear your information (or others) would be unnoticed. Knew that it might sound offending, but I also wrote "or others" to say that I think your not battling for your own ego but for the freedom of speech (and truth).

[Bill Ryan]

No I fear you too have missed a point. I do not care for anyone wishing to see my data or not, to me now thats irrelevant, for reasons made clear elsewhere. As others might make such a petty reason for my statements, its nothing to do with my data. Lets put it in perspective. The Bill and Charles interview was placed on youtube and I gather later that hundreds joined Avalon SOLELY from seeing that, from there the newbies were flocking solely around threads pertaining to him, and they were making new threads daily. Thats why I say (and those whom contacted me privately). There are so many great areas here at Avalon, many many threads covering all manner of subjects. But look at the members viewing certain Charles threads and you will note maximum numbers. I got very peeved when noticed a thread aimed specifically at healing for...........Charles. That was the limit. There were/still are numerous members whom could do with that but the newbies had eyes only for Charles. An example is a good friend of mine, Mike username Olgraybear, he deserves healing, moreso than Charles in my opinion. I speak my mind, always have done always will do. If my open speaking is not liked than I'm afraid nothing can be done I will continue with free speech till I'm kicked off here

What would you like, Barry? Please choose. Multiple choice.


a) Ban all the ignorant 'newbies' from the forum and have the place be nice and small again.
b) Somehow force everyone to visit your own thread.
c) Somehow persuade the healers here to offer healing for you.
d) Decide with a poll which one member deserves healing more than any other.
e) Agree between us all that 'free speech' on this forum means that you can say anything you like about anyone you like in any way you like and claim you have the right to do it. (We can vote on that, too).
I have always supported your work, and been totally sympathetic to the very tough times you have had.

When I offered to do an interview with you, you declined. I believe you also declined Kerry's request this time last year when she was in the UK.

Besides giving you your own stall here - which is your own bailiwick to manage, add content to, make people interested in, and attract people to - there's not much more we can do.

But I will ask you to take a rest for a couple of weeks if you continue to insult and upset new members in the way you have been.

My advice as a friend: focus on your own material - and don't try to blow out anyone else's candle. You are sounding very close to "What about me?"

Tell the newbies your genuinely interesting and important story. Summarize it. Invite questions. Make it understandable. Lay out your stall. It's not their fault if they don't know who you are.

[Agape]

This looks like very pictoresque situation to me tainted by paranoia, forgive me you both, B&B is what you need. Bill & Barry .

Barry is being protective of the truth..not of himself. Such as I am and few others who may feel the same.

The mystery is with people who've got their share of hard core truth , not with those who 'don't know' , asking and learning.

You're pointing to each other is not great ..why the Truth of the message is not discussed instead of endless chat about the people
and what they have for breakfast ?


Testimonies in their own threads is correct but how much empirical use has been made of them ?

Does Charles represent sort of deity for someone here ? I don't know how to call the phenomenon better ..

In the east we call it 'deity'. It's 'chosen' to represent the truth, no matter what it likes or not, its blemishes are covered , crowd is blessed ..

It's known only too well who is behind all of it because deities actually don't look that way,
sages don't talk 'that way' when they're real ..


Are we jealous . Not Bill. But we're for truth here ..


:angel:



You are curious species to me....you both are so 'trained' that the only thing you don't recall is yourself in natural state.

That way, you may be masters of all clever things in the world but truth will confuse you ..


And that should not be my problem I know.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

What would you like, Barry? Please choose. Multiple choice.


a) Ban all the ignorant 'newbies' from the forum and have the place be nice and small again.
b) Somehow force everyone to visit your own thread.
c) Somehow persuade the healers here to offer healing for you.
d) Decide with a poll which one member deserves healing more than any other.
e) Agree between us all that 'free speech' on this forum means that you can say anything you like about anyone you like in any way you like and claim you have the right to do it. (We can vote on that, too).
I have always supported your work, and been totally sympathetic to the very tough times you have had.

When I offered to do an interview with you, you declined. I believe you also declined Kerry's request this time last year when she was in the UK.

Besides giving you your own stall here - which is your own bailiwick to manage, add content to, make people interested in, and attract people to - there's not much more we can do.

But I will ask you to take a rest for a couple of weeks if you continue to insult and upset new members in the way you have been.

My advice as a friend: focus on your own material - and don't try to blow out anyone else's candle. You are sounding very close to "What about me?"

Tell the newbies your genuinely interesting and important story. Summarize it. Invite questions. Make it understandable. Lay out your stall. It's not their fault if they don't know who you are.

Bill I'm surprised you fell into the same tire tracks as others, immediately thinking I want, need, require any damn attention. WRONG. Its not about me as I have stated each time. I'm not the only one a bit weary of the hype over that person. I couldn't give a monkeys about my material, you could do me a great favour and remove all and anything to do with me. It will make no difference. Getting sick and tired of anyone thinking its a jealousy thing, for Christs sake, I do not do jealousy, I do not do ego, they are inept petty human traits you can all keep to yourselves. Like many Bill you miss the point. I was asked to watch over this, among 4 forums, as are my colleagues. I can back out they will continue. Final time, I do NOT want ANY attention from anyone re my past. Its hidden, its gone and I want no part of it. Do me that favour please, delete ALL threads of mine. I'll still be speaking my mind regarding the hype, unless of course you wish me to leave, I will not volunteer you must ban me. Thankyou, Barry

[Agape]

Talking about 'the 33' here not anyone in particular. You can well chat instead on how to organize any of your governments, it's politics , not more than that .

Would you think of signing a deal with any of our govs on this forum ? Or rather they'd offer such a deal to you ?

Let me chuckle a bit :lol:

The principle is the same and there are many such power groups in the world, each may consider themselves 'the only ones' is their politics, ideology and self-centeredness again. None of the groups has complete set of information or the ultimate power.

They are not able to agree on anything frequently is the only reason why there's someone like Charles, me or you, allowed to pass through the borders.

If they do agree on something you will never notice.

The talk about who they are is useless, they have their lives payed well forwards, health payed and confidencies payed,

friends too. If one of them was so 'kind' as you suggest,

he/she would probably send a large sum to Avalon account and never disclose themselves else the others would take care he's not on his chair anymore.


Barry is trying to be protective of you Bill so you should protect him too.



With sense I mean because there's no good deal with the devil and that's not a person but nickname for deception waiting somewhere behind the bars.



:hug:

[schnurfel]

Reading all of the posts above, I as a newbie to the forum (but alternative & Camelot/Avalon-Vet.) can´t help myself but think that all of this hassle was somehow contrived before, maybe even by the ones who sent a quite controversial character like Charles or allowed him to come forward. But I have to state, that the Interviews with Klaus Dona, David Icke and Igor Witkowski should have gotten way more attention; they also present more information that could induce real high quality discussions... :grouphug:

Regards, Schnurfel

[Bill Ryan]

Reading all of the posts above, I as a newbie to the forum (but alternative & Camelot/Avalon-Vet.) can´t help myself but think that all of this hassle was somehow contrived before, maybe even by the ones who sent a quite controversial character like Charles. But I have to state, that the Interviews with Klaus Dona, David Icke and Igor Witkowski should have gotten way more attention; they also present more information that could induce real high quality discussions...

Exactly. There's a wealth of important information here.

The thing that sets the 'Charles' material apart - in my opinion - is that it encompasses everything:




The origins of the human race
Our ET ancestors and their agenda
The controlling group and how they operate - and how things may be changing
Plans for the human race for the next few years
(and much more)

This is all so highly charged that it's almost impossible not to either get very focused/interested, or very upset/critical. Not much room for middle ground.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Without having to repeat myself, and as others have noted, the above HAVE been fully covered by numerous individuals and the data available on the internet. So I, among others still fail to see how everyone has missed that, and see only Charles saying these things? That data is not new, maybe his slant on it, but the data itself? Old. Even the suns maximum in 2013, possibly affecting this planet, is widely known, even a TV doco is being shown this coming week! I know, badboy Spirit, shut yer gob!


[Bill - Mod Hat On]

Barry King [Spirit Wolf] has been temporarily unsubscribed. The message he received was:



Barry, with great respect: you need to cool down. We welcome you back after 7 days.

[Carmody]

All I know, is that this would not be problem and would be cleared up in less than 5 minutes if this was an in person conversation.

[Tuza]

Without having to repeat myself, and as others have noted, the above HAVE been fully covered by numerous individuals and the data available on the internet. So I, among others still fail to see how everyone has missed that, and see only Charles saying these things? That data is not new, maybe his slant on it, but the data itself? Old. Even the suns maximum in 2013, possibly affecting this planet, is widely known, even a TV doco is being shown this coming week! I know, badboy Spirit, shut yer gob!

Okay so I can see where both of you are coming from, Barry and Bill. The most important issue here is Charles has not yet come back on and given information that we have not heard yet.................................that is the bottom line. I presume you haven't met his master yet Bill?

Now until such time as we do get said unknown information and you do meet said 5,000 year old master, then the bottom line really is................stalemate isn't it. I see where Barry is coming from. The whole Charles vid and all the rest could well be engineered by them like a well oiled engine. Bill has to have faith in Charles and that whole story.

The thing is you can be played like a violin (which I am presuming Kerry thinks you are) and if that does play out......................mmmmmh, I'm sure a lot will understand and some will point the finger and say I told you so.

So looks like we wait.................................?

My own opinion is though if I have had to wade through stuff here to see what he eventually had to say................and then nothing............I wont say it, I will just think it cuz its my own opinion.

[Agape]

Exactly. There's a wealth of important information here.

The thing that sets the 'Charles' material apart - in my opinion - is that it encompasses everything:




The origins of the human race
Our ET ancestors and their agenda
The controlling group and how they operate - and how things may be changing
Plans for the human race for the next few years
(and much more)

This is all so highly charged that it's almost impossible not to either get very focused/interested, or very upset/critical. Not much room for middle ground.


Encompassing ? The way you've questioned Charles, these were your questions and he can barely answer any of them in more than few words.


And yes, I'm seeing it as a slap to my face and face of the truth ,

if you mention the origins of mankind in that context..


The way he was questioned, good half of your membership here would get more holistic and appropriate answers .


I can't agree on any of above to be true. Sincerely .



:rain:

[aikya]

Hi Spirit Wolf,

I have spent some time reading through your material, and listened to some of the videos (not yet all, I have to confess). In doing so, I got it - before you mentioned it in this last post of yours...that you more than most are only too aware of the 'dark side' and what they are capable of. Most of all, I got that you have generously spent much of your life being a Watcher, and that is also what you're doing here now. And I want to say that I truly appreciate that. I'm grateful that you and your colleagues have voluntarily taken that role. It's good to know there are some 'Protectors of the Gate' keeping a watchful eye on the situation. I can only speak for myself, but I do appreciate that.

When watching the videos of your interview, one thing that really, really surprised me was the gentle humility of the way you express yourself. It contrasted so vividly with the (in bold) harsh, often abrasive tone of many of your posts re the Charles material that honestly, lol, I had to check and double check that it was the same person!

I hear your concerns, and although also new to PA, to some extent I share them. There seem to be some people (but by no means all) who have, imo naively, handed their trust and more importantly their power to Charles, lock stock and barrel, on the basis of as yet very little real facts. At the same time, many of these same people have delightful, bright, intelligent, creative, smart, expansive, open-hearted energy and much to give and contribute. It's a huge learning curve for many, in uncharted territory.

I guess my question is - is a middle ground possible here between your role as Watcher and allowing the situation to settle (which I have no doubt it will)?

I very much value your presence and would be very sad to see you leave.

I do hope your injuries and your health are continuing to improve. I honestly can't imagine what it's like to have gone through what you've just experienced and are recovering from.

[galilava]

Spirit Wolf,
if you bother to read posts from a newbie with a funny avatar...
and if you really would like to know why Charles attracted soooo much attention:
I have been with Avalon for sometime now but was provoked to this forum exactly by this interview (and the ASM too). Reading your thoughts, I also asked myself why. And this is how I feel:
- Charles was honest about how honest he is...
-. He did not show off with intellectuality (his words were simple)
- His knowledge seams to come from experience (not like having documents)
- He seams to be fearless
-. He seams not to care for himself too much ( when he does, does not try to hide it)
- I can not stand people speaking with their back to me but still I felt he was openhearted
HE SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF:
- very important group (if it exists) - not on behalf of HIMSELF
- 5000 YEARS OLD BEING
The last was the most important to me, I know it may not be true and he may be the devil himself but it gives me HOPE and I will keep that hope safe for the timebeing...
You may well think this is a modest observation of a silly woman...and ignore it (if you read it at all) but then you still would not have your answer - why is the world acting strangely and why you do not understand it at this point -
get some feed back
But I have the feeling you actually wouldn't....
I felt afraid to speak to you ...it took some currage - but is this what you wish for yourself...
Still much love and compassion from me to you

[Tuza]

:llama:Spirit Wolf cannot answer your posts, it looks like he is banned, so if he cannot answer them personally it might be nice not to post anything if he cannot answer.:llama:

[bluestflame]

temporary leave of absence

[Janos]

Unless the actual IP is banned, comments can be read, just not 'responded' to. You don't need to be 'logged in' to read the forum.

[truthseekerdan]

But I have to state, that the Interviews with Klaus Dona, David Icke and Igor Witkowski should have gotten way more attention; they also present more information that could induce real high quality discussions... :grouphug:

Definitely agree with you! :thumb:

:agree:

[Myatding]

Okay so I can see where both of you are coming from, Barry and Bill. The most important issue here is Charles has not yet come back on and given information that we have not heard yet.................................that is the bottom line. I presume you haven't met his master yet Bill?

Now until such time as we do get said unknown information and you do meet said 5,000 year old master, then the bottom line really is................stalemate isn't it. I see where Barry is coming from. The whole Charles vid and all the rest could well be engineered by them like a well oiled engine. Bill has to have faith in Charles and that whole story.

The thing is you can be played like a violin (which I am presuming Kerry thinks you are) and if that does play out......................mmmmmh, I'm sure a lot will understand and some will point the finger and say I told you so.

So looks like we wait.................................?

My own opinion is though if I have had to wade through stuff here to see what he eventually had to say................and then nothing............I wont say it, I will just think it cuz its my own opinion.

I'm new here. I'm not new, however.

It surprized me to see that you unsubscribed SpiritWolf for 7 days Bill when he looked to me to be communicating something that he felt important to communicate. It doesn't look much different than whistleblowers trying to call it like they saw their little bit of it and then getting taken out so that they wouldn't disturb the on-going plan. I'm all for what you're doing here Bill, but I don't see why this level of questioning is a problem.

I feel able to handle it, but again I'm new here. I came here to see what I could learn, pieces in the puzzle wise. I was tipped to coming into the forums to follow what more might have been said by "Charles", but my world sure doesn't end there, as it obviously doesn't for all of you including Bill.

Even if Charles and "Master" are playing this group and Bill like a violin we can all work together to see it for what it is. Are we that dulled that we can't be trusted to work it out for ourselves?

I say this with full respect to you Bill. I do want to see you keep on track with the work at hand, and I hope to come to know you personally one day. This place is special and I for one want to see people get over their wounds from fighting and work together again. Isn't the point to not let them divide and conquer through seeing through the game and choosing to work together any way?

Don't we call each other names at times, even in close relationships, but then get to a point where we have to start afresh and work together again?

If we ever (EVER!) decide that we have to address all of the hurts that someone has done to us (this life and others) befor we can work with them I really don't see us doing much other than fighting like a bunch of bears or worse.

What about everyone call each other a bunch of names and then get on with it after a couple of beers and a laugh?!

Know what I mean?

I'm fully happy whether Charles is for real or not, whether Kerry and Bill make up or not, whether Bill's getting played or helping Charles evolve. It's all way interesting and theres so much here that helps us to piece the whole thing together that really I am thrilled to be here.

I hope that this is read in the spirit of warmth, respect and love of other that it is writen. Especially by Bill. You are the reason I found the Charles videos Bill. Not Charles. I was searching for "Project Avalon" every few days on YouTube hoping to see interveiws that I hadn't yet seen!

And no, I'm not following you as far as you showing me what to think. I like your interviewing style and I feel a resonance with you as a being. I want to see what you are getting up to and also do my bit to pray a cover of protection over you.

Woo hoo buckaroo.... Let's get some work done!

[Myatding]

I note that some are saying that those getting sat in the time-out chair have been getting disrespectful and outright rude. I may be out of order in voicing my opinions about this before reading everything. Or perhaps not. Forgive me if I have been hasty. The rest of my message holds true in any case.

[heretogrow]

Hello to all,
I am a newbie, a provisional member but I have followed Bill and Kerry for over three years. I would just like to say that probably many of us new ones here are feeling as if we have stumbled upon a wealth of information and have been given a great gift. The Charles material may have caught the attention of some who were not permitted to post, but the information, depth and breadth of this site speakes for itself as do the volumes of innovative thoughts presented in the past by the seasoned members.

Having all these new members sign up and join in I think it would be most like having a small intimate family and seeing it explode exponentially and not really knowing how it will all mesh together. I know it must be very hard during this shuffling and settling phase and my heart goes out to you. But please do not overlook the benefits that this may be bringing to mankind.

In the past week or so that I have joined this forum, my parents, whom I live with after losing our home, are starting to question things that they never had before. They are starting to wonder about so many things across the board that I can't even begin to cover it all. My own six year old is asking me questions about minions, her words, and the pyramids in Egypt and going into long speils about how we are a human family and should have compassion for each other. Two weeks ago, these people that I love so much would not so much as turn off the tv to talk to one another. My point is something amazing is happening here and it may happen too fast for comfort but it is still amazing. Do I think the fact that I joined this forum and all this is taking place now is a coincidence? I think not. What I believe is that we are all connected and once the ball of awakening starts rolling it will be as swift and stirring as the energies we feel pouring in and they are becoming so much more intense.

Please accept this little bit of gratitiude from this little bitty provisional member who is honored to be here whether we figure this all out or not. My take on all of this is the collective consciousness is shifting and we are riding a very important and significant wave.

As an aside, I joined the forum now, after trying to join before, but did something wrong and it did not go through, because the timing was right. I was also intrigued because it seemed the Charles material was asking us to actually Do something, instead of just taking it all in. He seemed to ask us to crack a code which was very challenging. For the past four years I have been praying to our creator to let me find a way to help humanity. When the oportunity arrised I jumped to take it with no apologies! No matter what happens with the Charles material I have been empowered and have found a wonder of knowledge that can help me find the answers I am looking for and discovered some are just inside myself. This has changed me to actively seek to make my future better regardless of the outcome. What you have here at this forum is no less than a miraculous thing. Please don't think that this goes unoticed! Thanks! Please forgive the spelling errors. I can't seem to download the spell check just yet.
Julia

[Ross]

Hello to all,
I am a newbie, a provisional member but I have followed Bill and Kerry for over three years. I would just like to say that probably many of us new ones here are feeling as if we have stumbled upon a wealth of information and have been given a great gift. The Charles material may have caught the attention of some who were not permitted to post, but the information, depth and breadth of this site speakes for itself as do the volumes of innovative thoughts presented in the past by the seasoned members. Having all these new members sign up and join in I think it would be most like having a small intimate family and seeing it explode exponentially and not really knowing how it will all mesh together. I know it must be very hard during this shuffling and settling phase and my heart goes out to you. But please do not overlook the benefits that this may be bringing to mankind. In the past week or so that I have joined this forum, my parents, whom I live with after losing our home, are starting to question things that they never had before. They are starting to wonder about so many things across the board that I can't even begin to cover it all. My own six year old is asking me questions about minions, her words, and the pyramids in Egypt and going into long speils about how we are a human family and should have compassion for each other. Two weeks ago, these people that I love so much would not so much as turn off the tv to talk to one another. My point is something amazing is happening here and it may happen too fast for comfort but it is still amazing. Do I think the fact that I joined this forum and all this is taking place now is a coincidence? I think not. What I believe is that we are all connected and once the ball of awakening starts rolling it will be as swift and stirring as the energies we feel pouring in and they are becoming so much more intense. Please accept this little bit of gratitiude from this little bitty provisional member who is honored to be here whether we figure this all out or not. My take on all of this is the collective consciousness is shifting and we are riding a very important and significant wave. As an aside, I joined the forum now, after trying to join before, but did something wrong and it did not go through because the timing was right. I was also intrigued because it seemed the Charles material was asking us to actually Do something, instead of just taking it all in. For the past four years I have been praying to our creator to let me find a way to help humanity. When the oportunity arrised I jumped to take it with no apologies! No matter what happens with the Charles material I have been empowed and have found a wonder of knowledge that can help me find the answers I am looking for and some are just inside myself. This has changed me to actively seek to make my futeure better regardless of the out come. What you have here at this forum is no less than a miraculous thing. Please don't think that this goes unoticed! Thanks!Please forgive the spelling errors. I can't seem to download the spell check just yet.
Julia

Welcome Julia,

Here is a little suggestion.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10815-Text-heavy-posts.

Thank you for your contribuiton and any question please feel free to PM me or the other Mods.

Ross

[Ross]

There are currently 10,798 threads here at Avalon. (not all are avaliable to new members) Plenty else to read and contribute here besides the Charles threads.

Our current influx of new members is mostly due to the Charles interview but this is certainly not the "Charles forum".

Ross.

[DeRezzed69]

[B][I] Without having to repeat myself, and as others have noted, the above HAVE been fully covered by numerous individuals and the data available on the internet. So I, among others still fail to see how everyone has missed that, and see only Charles saying these things?

i'm a long time follower of camelot and avalon, and, although i'm new to this forum, i'm not new to alternative media/forums.
what fascinated me about charles was not so much WHAT he said, many things were indeed already known, but HOW he presented it. very coherent, naturally connecting the dots. there was so much to read between the lines.
it all rang very true to me.

btw.: what's wrong with this being temporarily the charles forum. i have written and administered forums myself and i know this: the hot topic today will be old news tomorrow. next time, it will be the <insert-name-of-next-whistleblower-here> forum. in between it will be just business as usual. i think it's fine.

...DRez

[Celine]

Much ado about Nothing

[peg226]

Exactly. There's a wealth of important information here.

The thing that sets the 'Charles' material apart - in my opinion - is that it encompasses everything:




The origins of the human race
Our ET ancestors and their agenda
The controlling group and how they operate - and how things may be changing
Plans for the human race for the next few years
(and much more)

This is all so highly charged that it's almost impossible not to either get very focused/interested, or very upset/critical. Not much room for middle ground.

This might have been answered asked elsewhere but I will ask anyway is there anywhere interviews or material to compare with what was said by Charles? I have been visiting the sight since before the "change" and have seen some generalities of some material comparisons but the new stuff such as all groups - elites, PTB ect are all nothing compared to his "Charles" group that is "supposedly" the real controllers. This would seem to be the foundation of his being and believing this would lend to giving a higher credence to anything else Charles says. faith in one persons testimony is truly in my opinion a farce, there must be some added proof or collaborated material/testimony that is credible before one should even attempt to trust and give energy to whatever ends he/she sees fit.

Things/people can be manipulated, such as the spoken before hand "change" in which was also touched in the interview - that being a strategy to shut you - Bill and Sherry up, by your estimations was a backfire because of the outreach by two instead of one joined. No one is above being manipulated and can be done very easily especially if that group has a financial interest and unlimited funds at their disposal.

This is the main reason for my post; all I have seen and heard is in the back burner until some type of information comes down the pipeline to give credence to Charles and his "Master".. one more thing, it is strange how just about everyone seems to be an anti-Christ when they try to convert people to their way of thought/truth.

[Isostool]

I agree with the statement that there are many people here and everywhere who are vulnerable to - being lead. It's a natural behaviour. The elder wisdom is really needed around to temper it. No matter what the thing is that people are tempted to follow, people need the wisdoms around them to keep an eye on things so that this impression of discernment is kept strong within and without, in all. [and I'm not talking necessarily about age here, wisdom comes in all shapes and sizes, thanks to the compression available in our time]. Being brave and standing up and speaking out against the grain is a noble act and very hard to do. Without some kind of healthy nurturing of it on this forum as a whole entity that we are, I fear that wonderful sparks of innovation may be doused. Before they even begin in some cases. Let us have a hose in one hand and a bellows in the other.

Embrace the unembraceable. Love the unlovable. Hold upon your shoulders the greatest of your enemies, and indeed you are untouchable. Become the unthinkable. Think the unbeable. Do the Impossible.

[DeRezzed69]

oh, i forgot something: to those who think of "newbies" as kind of a menace: isn't that counter-productive? what is your message to them? "please wake up, but please don't do it here?". shouldn't you help them, instead of alienating them?

there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers...

...DRez

[witchy1]

*cough cough* - If I may ------ I think its important to keep in the front of our minds that most people join Avalon for its uniqueness, spirit, teamwork, and overall goal of truth seeking.

Each of our journey toward that purpose will need to take a different route - but we all somehow and for a variety of reasons made it here as a central point - eventually and somehow for a purpose, maybe individually maybe collectively. Time will tell.

There are some very wise new souls here, with astounding experience and knowledge. We are fortunate they choose Avalon. For those less experienced then its up to us individually and as a whole to lead them gently in the right direction. We all take on the role of teacher - it is our gift to others. I am sure most of us have all retreated in the chaos in the last few weeks questioning, wondering and seeking solitude. Certainly things are not as they were, however change, as difficult as it seems at the time, can be positive for without it we cannot grow. .

For those unfortunates that do not have the best intentions - lead them gently to the door

We must practice patience and methodically sort it through. We will be a better more focussed and healthy team as a result.

Avalon needs the established members. Not only does it assist in maintaining honesty, but their words of wisdom and great voices of experience assist each and everyone of us. They, like everyone else are pivotal to the success of Avalon, its mission and objectves. We stay because we agree with those principles.

Tolerance respect and love for each other

We are all part of a unique site, all with good hearts and souls. The dust will settle soon and new stars will shine - alongside the established ones.

[modwiz]

oh, i forgot something: to those who think of "newbies" as kind of a menace: isn't that counter-productive? what is your message to them? "please wake up, but please don't do it here?". shouldn't you help them, instead of alienating them?

there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers...

...DRez

You have my support DeRezzed69.

You are right, ignorant statements should be picked apart, gently if possible. All questions are welcome.

There is so much to read here it can be daunting. Asking questions can help the old timers point you to past threads that will help you expand your knowledge base and give you more questions to ask.

Again, welcome.

Modwiz

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Newbies, this isn't x360a.com. I'm new to this site and I have already had a long chat in PMs with Charles and we don't talk shop. So far I have 2 friends (Atticus and the wonderful Harley) I don't give a monkeys who's been here the longest. This site is heading towards a huge audience and I'm encouraging close friends to at least bookmark this site for good explanations and theories of whats happening around us.

Oh and incidentally isn't Charles a newbie ? and if everything he has said is fake and made up then he deserves the Noob Of The Year Award lol.
Personally I believe we should be quite honored by his presence here.

[write4change]

How I function is often to wait for fulfillment to unfold. I joined in the midst of the Charles explosion. I was motivated to join because of the Anglo Saxon Mission which just resonated. I have played the Charles interview twice with two weeks in between times. I have made it a point to read none of the Charles threads until now. I have read every post on all 12 pages. What is surprising to me is the last 5 pages come from today.

I read this thread to get some idea of Charles' meaning to the site. It is still not clear. My basic concern is its effect on credibility. I had really been impressed with Bill and felt I could urge some people I know who hold themselves out to be complete rationals could ruminate on what Bill has to say. And some of the interviews and the information in them are quite compelling. When the Charles stuff appeared I knew now was not the time to bring total rationals to the site.

Now that I have read Bill's profile that he posted on the MyersBriggs thread and I posted my book research on---I definitely understand Bill's thinking and his position and it is exactly what I originally thought and experience from Bill. That being said, there is absolutely nothing I would ever ask Charles but I would listen to whatever he had to say to a group of people.

I keep looking for a way to bring people who live totally in their heads to some kind of deeper experience or a different way of thinking. It is not easy and reading and watching about the disclosure project has given me definitive feed back on why that is. Everything is a process and the process is a huge spectrum. I do not think anything will affect Bill's credibility as long as he comes from a place of integrity and nothing I have come in contact with indicates that Bill ever comes from any place else.

So I will just have to hang out and hang in with all of you until I get more clarity about what this is really all about.

[araucaria]

OK, let me say why I joined this forum in the wake of the Charles material. Charles came here to ‘deal with’ Bill, a two-edged phrase that, on behalf of the 33 who were threatening to ‘deal with’ billions of our fellow humans.
I have personal experience of a vicarious death threat situation - my brother, who had sacked a drug abuser who would have attempted to murder him had he not been out. As it happened this guy nearly killed someone else instead and went to prison for some time. However, when he was soon due for release, the police felt the situation was so dangerous that a new identity was required, involving total removal from family and friends, vetoed by my brother. Many many people will have been privately wishing him well after he cut off communications on the pretext of illness. However I was let in on the secret, and the only way of dealing with what was now my issue was to realize how I myself was the unconscious vehicle of this in a way anonymous violence aimed at my brother. By the time this was done, the guy was a couple of weeks from release from his halfway house, and would soon be back at large. Then something strange and miraculous happened: he broke curfew and was found dead under a motorway bridge. This was also very unfortunate, for the key is to see the ‘enemy’ as one’s friend, or rather as oneself.

This microcosmic experience has made me quite sanguine about the 33 business, although so much bigger, even the worst-case scenario where Charles is a villain. If we all do our inner work and send out positive thoughts, this will demolish the evil force that is actually within ourselves, and the outside threat, don’t ask me how, will fade away. Charles is or is not a villain, it’s our call (cf. Schrodinger’s cat). It is very exciting to see him changing before our eyes.

This is a fair contest, where no harm is meant, though some may happen. I see it like a rugby match. If you are tackled by superior numbers, you can either go with the flow, i.e. backtrack, or stand your ground until you are offside (in the opponent’s newly gained territory) and either penalized or trampled on because you are not supposed to be there. Strength and safety in numbers: no wonder some people think the population should be culled. But rugby is a game for gentlemen, and Bill for one surely knows by now that he is a gentleman.
(recommended reading: The Madness of George W. Bush, by Paul Levy).

[aikya]

Thank you, witchy, for saying that.

[witchy1]

Thank you, witchy, for saying that my abolute pleasure - spoken from the heart aikya. Welcome to Avalon by the way

[aikya]

Thank you so much, it's nice to be welcomed. :)

[noxon medem]

Post deleted by me for not being relevant.

The closing of thread "kerrys blog" lead to
some thoughts concerning that spreading around.
I never get used to this closing of threads.
It is very frustrating.
Hope one of the mods can delete this post totaly.

Edit:
- a couple of days later :
obviously not, so here is a random image
to lift this complaint a bit :

4299

and some music to accompany it.
mix


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d78K4rCEfAo

and for comparison :

4300

nm

[bilko]

*cough cough* - If I may ------ I think its important to keep in the front of our minds that most people join Avalon for its uniqueness, spirit, teamwork, and overall goal of truth seeking.

Each of our journey toward that purpose will need to take a different route - but we all somehow and for a variety of reasons made it here as a central point - eventually and somehow for a purpose, maybe individually maybe collectively. Time will tell.

There are some very wise new souls here, with astounding experience and knowledge. We are fortunate they choose Avalon. For those less experienced then its up to us individually and as a whole to lead them gently in the right direction. We all take on the role of teacher - it is our gift to others. I am sure most of us have all retreated in the chaos in the last few weeks questioning, wondering and seeking solitude. Certainly things are not as they were, however change, as difficult as it seems at the time, can be positive for without it we cannot grow. .

For those unfortunates that do not have the best intentions - lead them gently to the door

We must practice patience and methodically sort it through. We will be a better more focussed and healthy team as a result.

Avalon needs the established members. Not only does it assist in maintaining honesty, but their words of wisdom and great voices of experience assist each and everyone of us. They, like everyone else are pivotal to the success of Avalon, its mission and objectves. We stay because we agree with those principles.

Tolerance respect and love for each other

We are all part of a unique site, all with good hearts and souls. The dust will settle soon and new stars will shine - alongside the established ones.

Well said!
When the master needs to gain more information he takes on an apprentice for it is through sharing information that we gain more.
Maybe it was the apprentice that threw the wrong rock into the lime firing pit that resulted in the birth of metal working!

[dejavu]

The problem might be that lots of focus has now turned to Charles and what he is saying or not saying, is he real or not real. It's a well known tactic: divide and conquer, divert focus on something else. Whilst the sentiment of keeping enemies close may ring true so does the diversionary tactics I've just described. So at what cost do you gain perspective I have to ask.....why this forum, why now?

[sshenry]

The problem might be that lots of focus has now turned to Charles and what he is saying or not saying, is he real or not real. It's a well known tactic: divide and conquer, divert focus on something else. Whilst the sentiment of keeping enemies close may ring true so does the diversionary tactics I've just described. So at what cost do you gain perspective I have to ask.....why this forum, why now?

I honestly don't think it is just this forum. And I honestly don't think that the only "diversion" is charles and the charles material. I'm a member of other forums, and the same thing seems to be happening there as well, distractions and drama to pull the attention of the members away from the real changes that are taking place in the world all around us - right here and now.

[Loren]

As with most things new we are usually inspired or interested in or by the latest technology... but they to come to pass until the next new things appear. In my life amazing individuals have come and gone leaving a lasting impression. Hang in there, all is as it should be. L

[dejavu]

So what's really going on? If there's a number of diversions on similar forums when we raise our heads above the 'goings on' what do we see.......?

[sshenry]

The world is changing (heh - I know, sounds like the intro to Lord of the rings, doesn't it?).

But it's true - the world is changing - WE are changing. Changes in energy - changes in vibrational frequency - changes in levels of awareness.

The more people wake up to these changes and what they mean for themselves as individuals - and for humanity in general - the less power over us ANYONE has, and for those whose exist for that control - who thrive on it - who make their living from it - has over those who are aware. And that upsets the way they are used to doing business. Hence the desire to keep as many people distracted for as long as possible in order to maintain the status quo until they can figure out a way to re-establish their domination.

But that isn't all - not by a long shot. The worst of it is - WE ARE DISTRACTING OURSELVES. Yeah, think about it. We KNOW how much things are changing - most of us even have a good grasp on wht those changes mean, and yet it's as if contemplating those changes and even considering adapting our lifestyles and thought patterns to those changes disturb us on some fundamental level and the ego FINDS things to distract us with.

Talk about divide and conquer! With distractions coming not just from outside - but from inside - we have to keep clear heads and open communications with source in order to counter the two-pronged attack.
The diversions aren't just on forums - they are all around us.