AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2011, 01:35
Hello brothers and sisters,
I fancy myself as somewhat of a conservative. A libertarian would be more specific although I don't like labels. I don't like central banking. I want to end the federal reserve. I think the US should stop policing the world and bring our troops home so we can stop killing people in the Middle East and stop losing our own troops in this senseless conflict which is supposed to have something to do with the attacks on 9/11 but, in my opinion, does not. I think we should stop spending so much tax payer money on black budget operations (for those who don't know "black" is a term used in the intelligence community meaning secret or classified) and our military apparatus. I think that if the US government wants to be big in size, have a large budget and not listen to the will of the people (like in the example of the unpopular war in the Middle East,) then it should not tax the people and should be made to find alternative forms of revenue (unlikely, I know.) I think that we, as a nation, should mind our own business, stay out of the affairs of other nations, and try to make our own country a place where the utmost freedom for the individual is prioritized.
Ok, all that being said, I understand that those are fairly "conservative" views. Although I know that the left/right paradigm is a fallacy, I use these terms because they are convenient for making the point I am trying to make. So, fellow like-minded people, or libertarians, or whatever I think it is unfair to illegal immigrants, and detrimental to the libertarian movement to alienate illegal immigrants, from Mexico or anywhere else, by demanding stricter border control policies or stricter deportation policies. I am addressing conservatives/libertarians because I have found a large percentage of them favor stricter immigration policies.
First I will go over why I think it is unfair. I believe it is unfair because I believe that most of us would do almost anything to take care of our families, feed our children, and/or remove them from violent situations. They are only doing what most of us would do in their situation regardless of what the law says. I think it is unfair for us to judge them for coming to the US when we have no idea how unbearable their situation is. I also think it is hypocritical because MOST AMERICAN’S ANCESTORS WERE IMMIGRANTS, ILLEGAL OR NOT. Ok, that is why I think it is unfair, sorry for making that part so brief, the reasons are more complex, but the bulk of what I want to get into will be in the "why it is detrimental to the movement" part which will be longer.
I think this stance of demanding stricter border control policy is detrimental to the libertarian movement because it alienates this growing demographic from views of:
- Maximum freedom for the individual
-Small/ manageable government
-Non-interventionist foreign policy
-Congressional issuance of currency (as the constitution mandates)
-Currency backed by something inherently valuable (like gold)
Ok, any more on the list would be specific redundancies which are not necessary. Do you guys see where I’m trying to go with this? Instead of alienating these people, we could utilize them for a mutually beneficial purpose. If the entire illegal immigrant population in the US (sorry, have to keep specifying that because I know this is a multi-national forum) started demanding more personal freedoms, with the support of the entire libertarian movement, there would be little that could stand in our way! Maybe we could get the Patriot Act repealed overnight! And maybe I’m being overly optimistic or ambitious haha. But don’t you guys think it would make a huge difference in how powerful the libertarian movement is? Hooray for civil liberties! Hooray for other cultures coming to the United States! Hooray for diversity! Hell, most of our ancestors came from other countries. The ancestry of most Americans is not native to this land. I believe that no matter how our population grows, with a little unity we could make it sustainable, peaceful and comfortable enough for all of us, immigrants included. I truly believe that.
-advocating unity,
Casey
I fancy myself as somewhat of a conservative. A libertarian would be more specific although I don't like labels. I don't like central banking. I want to end the federal reserve. I think the US should stop policing the world and bring our troops home so we can stop killing people in the Middle East and stop losing our own troops in this senseless conflict which is supposed to have something to do with the attacks on 9/11 but, in my opinion, does not. I think we should stop spending so much tax payer money on black budget operations (for those who don't know "black" is a term used in the intelligence community meaning secret or classified) and our military apparatus. I think that if the US government wants to be big in size, have a large budget and not listen to the will of the people (like in the example of the unpopular war in the Middle East,) then it should not tax the people and should be made to find alternative forms of revenue (unlikely, I know.) I think that we, as a nation, should mind our own business, stay out of the affairs of other nations, and try to make our own country a place where the utmost freedom for the individual is prioritized.
Ok, all that being said, I understand that those are fairly "conservative" views. Although I know that the left/right paradigm is a fallacy, I use these terms because they are convenient for making the point I am trying to make. So, fellow like-minded people, or libertarians, or whatever I think it is unfair to illegal immigrants, and detrimental to the libertarian movement to alienate illegal immigrants, from Mexico or anywhere else, by demanding stricter border control policies or stricter deportation policies. I am addressing conservatives/libertarians because I have found a large percentage of them favor stricter immigration policies.
First I will go over why I think it is unfair. I believe it is unfair because I believe that most of us would do almost anything to take care of our families, feed our children, and/or remove them from violent situations. They are only doing what most of us would do in their situation regardless of what the law says. I think it is unfair for us to judge them for coming to the US when we have no idea how unbearable their situation is. I also think it is hypocritical because MOST AMERICAN’S ANCESTORS WERE IMMIGRANTS, ILLEGAL OR NOT. Ok, that is why I think it is unfair, sorry for making that part so brief, the reasons are more complex, but the bulk of what I want to get into will be in the "why it is detrimental to the movement" part which will be longer.
I think this stance of demanding stricter border control policy is detrimental to the libertarian movement because it alienates this growing demographic from views of:
- Maximum freedom for the individual
-Small/ manageable government
-Non-interventionist foreign policy
-Congressional issuance of currency (as the constitution mandates)
-Currency backed by something inherently valuable (like gold)
Ok, any more on the list would be specific redundancies which are not necessary. Do you guys see where I’m trying to go with this? Instead of alienating these people, we could utilize them for a mutually beneficial purpose. If the entire illegal immigrant population in the US (sorry, have to keep specifying that because I know this is a multi-national forum) started demanding more personal freedoms, with the support of the entire libertarian movement, there would be little that could stand in our way! Maybe we could get the Patriot Act repealed overnight! And maybe I’m being overly optimistic or ambitious haha. But don’t you guys think it would make a huge difference in how powerful the libertarian movement is? Hooray for civil liberties! Hooray for other cultures coming to the United States! Hooray for diversity! Hell, most of our ancestors came from other countries. The ancestry of most Americans is not native to this land. I believe that no matter how our population grows, with a little unity we could make it sustainable, peaceful and comfortable enough for all of us, immigrants included. I truly believe that.
-advocating unity,
Casey