A hypothetical Question(s) From A Naive Simple Minded Fool.

[Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku]

Hello fellow Avalonians,

Please bare with me as I will try to ask my question as best as possible. If I have failed to do so please let me know and I will try to fix it.

My hypothetical questions is this:

If we were given a chance to start a new colony/civilization/utopia how would it run? Thats a terribly broad question. Sorry. What I mean or am looking for is who or what would take charge/lead? Is that the only way for it to work? Must someone/something lead/take charge?

Through out history (including the alternative history we are now learning more about everyday ie Atlantis) there has always been a key figure leading. Why? Is that the only way to do it? Learn form history. Whats that old quote? “Those who cannot remember/learn the past are condemned to repeat it”. If it never worked out in the past why do we repeat it? Is it because we cannot remember the past?

There is Communism, Socialism, Capitalism bla bla bla. Theres the Venus Project, The Zeitgeist Movement and so on. (I am not saying any of these are right or wrong) But they all seem to need a leader or government or something to make decisions. Leaders can be corrupted as can governments be as can people be as I can be. Perhaps its time for a new system. Perhaps it does not even have to be a system.

A democratic system is great (kind of). Except votes can be swayed. If the hypothetical scenario I posed happened how can we be sure no one would be out for their self interests? I would trust everyone but that doesn't mean it might not happen. Who know's maybe I would be out for my own self interest at some point. (I don't think it to be the case, but I am human)

A simple answer is we oversee ourselves. Yes this is true. Though that doesn't mean the rest may not sway to that personal “me” attitude. Tribes are formed of one opinion then bang next thing you know were at war. I love/like all of us. I don't want to be alone. I feel like I already am. How does this new colony/civilization/utopia run? Is there technology/life force something out there that perhaps I don't know about? A force/machine/thing/non-thing/anything that, say you tune into somehow and it reads your thoughts and sees where your heart is and what your true intentions are.

One of the members here was kind enough to put up a link in a thread to a little video of Kyle Pilkington questioning his own intelligence. Just a few weeks ago I learned of him. What a remarkable mind. He seems to think just black and white. I remember something he said it was sheer poetry. He said something along the lines of.....Did the three wise men bring gifts for Baby Jesus because it was Christmas or because it was his birthday?

I wish I had his mind. Wait maybe I do.

There are many fantastic threads on PA. Many deal with how the housing, geographical location, food energy, daily living and so on work. Please if you have not read those I can only say they are worth reading. I have learned a ton from them. I am just looking for some of your thoughts on how decisions are made with out any corruption. Decisions and consensus are made much easier amongst 5, 10, 50, 100, maybe even 10,000 but what about millions? Does there have to be a supreme leader (s)? Is there something I am missing? I know this is a much more complicated issue then I am probably capable of understanding and then what I have posted so far. Maybe you can teach me?

Please all of you reading this. There are no write or wrong answers. Perhaps a merging of many answers might come out to one great one with a little tweaking. Please do not argue. Please listen. To each other. Please discuss how your idea or parts of it can work in conjunction with any other suggestions or comments.

I am a naive simple minded fool. But I am on the path to change that. I am here to learn. I am here to listen. About myself. About you. About everything.

Thanks for helping me.

[9eagle9]

I prefer precepts of self governance rather than leadership. People just emerge as strong leaders by putting word to deed, no votes are necessary. Talking about leading is basically what emphasis the defunct government policies that we have today. "

"My work is underway and I have something solid to present before I presume to lead anyone."

True leadership means you are secure enough to surround yourself with people who know more than you and that's an expression of self governance. . There's a guideline in any community and those who are truly in agreement with those guidelines through their actions and behaviors uphold them. No one is forced to join or stay its all based on what one wants and what one can manage and the willingness to manage one's self. Talking is fine, just talking isn't, doing is much more expressive of where one is coming from. People speak to me in actions so...so they would have to have enough self governance to know what they want, so they know where they best feel comfortable at. Those who don't like the guidelines are not obligated to remain and if they remain only to raise hell and rail about the guidelines will not be tolerated.

[Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku]

I prefer precepts of self governance rather than leadership. People just emerge as strong leaders by putting word to deed, no votes are necessary. Talking about leading is basically what emphasis the defunct government policies that we have today. "

"My work is underway and I have something solid to present before I presume to lead anyone."

True leadership means you are secure enough to surround yourself with people who know more than you and that's an expression of self governance. . There's a guideline in any community and those who are truly in agreement with those guidelines through their actions and behaviors uphold them. No one is forced to join or stay its all based on what one wants and what one can manage and the willingness to manage one's self. Talking is fine, just talking isn't, doing is much more expressive of where one is coming from. People speak to me in actions so...so they would have to have enough self governance to know what they want, so they know where they best feel comfortable at. Those who don't like the guidelines are not obligated to remain and if they remain only to raise hell and rail about the guidelines will not be tolerated.

Thank you very much. This is precisely the sort of answers I am looking for. I love the idea/notion of "People speak to me in actions". Brilliant. All of what you have to say. Thank you.

[greybeard]

Principals before personalities.
Chris

[Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku]

Principals before personalities.
Chris

Thank you greybeard. Wise advice.

[ROMANWKT]

please name these principles

[9eagle9]

Your welcome now stop calling yourself a simple minded fool. :p




I prefer precepts of self governance rather than leadership. People just emerge as strong leaders by putting word to deed, no votes are necessary. Talking about leading is basically what emphasis the defunct government policies that we have today. "

"My work is underway and I have something solid to present before I presume to lead anyone."

True leadership means you are secure enough to surround yourself with people who know more than you and that's an expression of self governance. . There's a guideline in any community and those who are truly in agreement with those guidelines through their actions and behaviors uphold them. No one is forced to join or stay its all based on what one wants and what one can manage and the willingness to manage one's self. Talking is fine, just talking isn't, doing is much more expressive of where one is coming from. People speak to me in actions so...so they would have to have enough self governance to know what they want, so they know where they best feel comfortable at. Those who don't like the guidelines are not obligated to remain and if they remain only to raise hell and rail about the guidelines will not be tolerated.

Thank you very much. This is precisely the sort of answers I am looking for. I love the idea/notion of "People speak to me in actions". Brilliant. All of what you have to say. Thank you.

[greybeard]

please name these principles

The principals of spirituality.
Love all serve all.
Respect for the life in all.
Trusted servants ruled/led as elder re the Indian tribes.
They worked an average of four hours a day, thanked their Creator thanked the animals that they ate.
Were great-full for life laughed, danced, sang, told stories, made love, got on with their neighbors tended to be in groups the size of 40/100.
Virtually self sufficient, resolved disputes peacefully in the main.
Banned trouble makers.
Welcomed the white man.
Unfortunately they lacked discernment.

Chris

[Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku]

Thank you 9eagle9.

I am in the 12 step program. :-) I think I may be at step 9.5. Step 10 as you are kind enough to help me with is indeed to stop calling myself a simple minded fool. :-D Thank you for amazing words.

[guido]

What I mean or am looking for is who or what would take charge/lead? Is that the only way for it to work? Must someone/something lead/take charge?

--- yes i think we, .... ourselves, have to know ourselves.

Is it because we cannot remember the past?

---very possible if you ask me if we all did things were different

But they all seem to need a leader or government or something to make decisions.

---While all decisions have already been made.....By the One Jezus Allways talked about.


....Did the three wise men bring gifts for Baby Jesus because it was Christmas or because it was his birthday?

--- It was his birth date, what i have been wandering about is Did jezus go and visit them.... later on. They were wise men ...


I am just looking for some of your thoughts on how decisions are made with out any corruption.....

---Perhaps this is why Jezus talked about consciousness

Does there have to be a supreme leader (s)? Is there something I am missing?

---religions are many, god is One

I am here to learn

--- Me too! :cool: Peta Bakama Luruba Anaku I wonder now is your name Canadian?

with love

[greybeard]

Step 10 of AA Twelve step program
Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it

Millions have been saved from sure death by AA.
Before Bill W had a spiritual wakening and started AA if you were alcoholic you died end of story.

The 12 steps of AA have helped many millions become sober in the full sense of that word and by becoming so were of great help to the comunity.

Many twelve step groups for many ailments, emotional, addictive and alergic have sprung up.
Frankly any comunity founded on the principls and steps of AA would be great place to live.
No bosses teaching by example all groups autonomous, self supporting no views on outside matters.

"But one ultimate authority a loving God as He may express Himself in our group consciousness. Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern"

that is from AA 12 Traditions

No wonder AA is so successful
That would be a great tradition to base a future world society on.

Well you did ask for principals.

Chris

[Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku]

What I mean or am looking for is who or what would take charge/lead? Is that the only way for it to work? Must someone/something lead/take charge?

--- yes i think we, .... ourselves, have to know ourselves.

Is it because we cannot remember the past?



---very possible if you ask me if we all did things were different

But they all seem to need a leader or government or something to make decisions.

---While all decisions have already been made.....By the One Jezus Allways talked about.


....Did the three wise men bring gifts for Baby Jesus because it was Christmas or because it was his birthday?

--- It was his birth date, what i have been wandering about is Did jezus go and visit them.... later on. They were wise men ...


I am just looking for some of your thoughts on how decisions are made with out any corruption.....

---Perhaps this is why Jezus talked about consciousness

Does there have to be a supreme leader (s)? Is there something I am missing?

---religions are many, god is One

I am here to learn

--- Me too! :cool: Peta Bakama Luruba Anaku I wonder now is your name Canadian?

with love

Thank you guido. Your answers are interesting and produce thought. Thank you for that. My given name is universal. Just like yours. :-)