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Swami
23rd April 2010, 19:49
For the peoples interested in Drunvalo Melchizedek, I received this message today.........

Drunvalo's online lecture on what is the truth about 2012

Hello ####,

We are proud to announce that on the evening of May 26th Drunvalo Melchizedek will take you on an unforgettable journey to the dawn of humanity, in a live presentation over the internet, EXCLUSIVELY at ESO.TV ! (http://us.eso.tv/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dru_promo&utm_source=newsletter)

Drunvalo is a world traveler who has given workshops, seminars and lectures on sacred geometry, human energy fields, spirituality, meditation and living in the heart, in 45 countries around the world. He is also the best selling author of books including The Ancient Secrets of the Flower of Life, Living in the Heart and his most recent success, Serpent of Light. These books have been published and enjoyed by readers in 29 languages and reach out to over one hundred countries throughout the world.

Drunvalo founded the Flower of Life Workshops with over 300 trained and certified facilitators teaching in over sixty countries. His meditation with the angels and his work with prana and energy healing has helped tens of thousands of people around the Globe.

2012 - THE BIRTH OF A NEW HUMANITY

In the on line presentation on 26th May, Drunvalo Melchizedek is going to take you into ancient Atlantis.

This is where our story begins, because this is exactly where our present-day troubles were created. This is the story of the lead-up to 2012!

Be part of this amazing journey on the 26th May, at 7 pm!

In this exclusive on-line broadcast you can

* Watch Drunavalo’s presentation live in your local language.
* Make friends and ask any questions you may have, directly to Drunvalo himself.

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samvado
24th April 2010, 14:58
Buy your ticket now at drunval.eso.tv (http://drunvalo.eso.tv/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dru_promo)

I dont think so.

About Drunvalo: He is a scammer.

How do I know? I studied Biology.

look at this link (http://www.universalone.com/showcase22.html)

Now, I informed Drunvalo at the time about his misconceptions, if I recall correctly twice (to two differend email addresses of his)
he never responded and subesquently this "idea" spread like a virus into the under-educated newage community.
You can still find it in various books on the new children and 12-strand dna and such things.

you see, the worst is not that he MADE a mistake, it is that he never CORRECTED it although he must have been informed of it.
(I can not possibly be the only one who saw the flaw)

What is Drunvalos mistake?

I let the biologist Tom Anderson (univ0938-at-herald.ox.ac.uk) answer this, because he has it written out already quite nicely:

source (http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/cellbiol/1999-June/010947.html)

what is written here is wrong.
It might be that the author was confused, and that what he really meant was that this child had 24 amino acids rather than the normal 20. this strikes me as very unlikely: it took the present system of translation many millions of years to evolve, and it has remained stable for over a billion years. the jump from 20 amino acids to 24 would require new amino-acids synthesis and degradation pathways, new transporters, new regulatory networks, new amino-acyl tRNA synthetases and, last but by no means least, the alteration of almost every other gene in the genome to fit the new genetic code. in short, it's not going to happen.

furthermore, it's not clear how adding new amino acids would improve the immune system. if the genetic code was massively altered, that would give immunity to viruses, but cancer and parasitic cells like bacteria, fungi, malaria, etc, should be unaffected.

all in all, it sounds like someone's been reading too much Greg Egan :).


I'd like to know if anyone has encountered a similar case.
Is it really possible for 24 Codons to be on in contrast to the normal which is 20?
Is it true, a person with this characteristic can be said to acquire super immunity against all disease including AIDS?

well, you're asking a question based on false assumptions. in humans, and as far as we know in all organisms, all 64 possible codons code for something: in your terminology, all 64 are 'on'.

here's a (very brief) explanation of the primary structure of DNA, just in case.

DNA is made up of a sequence of nucleotide residues, usually called bases. there are four different bases which can be used in DNA, which are often known by their code letters C, T, A and G. these can be incorporated into DNA in any order, so you could have a DNA molecule ATGGAGTCGACGTAG. in this respect, a DNA sequence is just like a book, made up of a sequence of characters, and, like a book, DNA contains information; the information in DNA specifies how and when to make proteins and some other molecules which are the building blocks of cells and, thus, of living organisms.

protein, like DNA, are made up of a sequence of building blocks, but where DNA has bases, proteins have amino acids. where there are 4 bases, there are 20 amino acids that can be be built into proteins. so, how does a DNA sequence, with its four building blocks, specify a protein sequence, with 20 possible building blocks? the answer is that the DNA is not read as a sequence of single bases, but as a sequence of triplets of bases: these triplets are called codons. this is a bit like splitting a book up into words, except that in DNA, all the words are 3 letters long and there are no spaces between them!

thus, when a DNA sequence is translated into protein, each codon is translated into a particular amino acid in the protein sequence. the rules for translating are now well-known, and are the same for almost all organisms. the system also allows a 'stop' signal to be included, so that when that part of the sequence is reached, translation is stopped and the protein is finished. proteins are started a bit differently: the start is marked by a codon for the amino acid methionine.

if there are four bases in DNA, and words contain three bases, then there are 4 * 4 * 4 = 64 different possible words in DNA. since there are only 20 amino acids which need to be specified, plus a stop signal, this is excessive.

the obvious thing to do would be to use only 21 of the 64 codons, and have the other 43 do nothing (that is, be 'null codons'). however, it turns out that this is a bit of a bad idea, because of mutations. if a mutation changes one base of a DNA sequence so that a codon which was previously useful becomes a null codon, and so the information is ruined.

what nature does instead is assign a meaning to every codon, so that if there is a mutation, the new sequence is at least meaningful, if wrong. furthermore, things are arranged so that many mutations do not affect the result of translation: for instance, since GTT, GTC, GTA and GTG all code for valine, a mutation in the third position of a valine codon will have no effect.

the rules, known as the genetic code, can be written out as a table, and you can see such a table at:

http://ftp.hgu.mrc.ac.uk/Softdata/Misc/gencode.htm

note that this table is for RNA rather than DNA, so where a table for DNA would have a T, this table has a U. looking at this table, the entry "CCG Pro (P)" shows that the codon CCG (an C followed by a C followed by a G) is translated into a proline in the protein (pro and P are abbreviations for proline).

thus, we can translate the sequence i wrote out earlier:

ATGGAGTCGACGTAG

consists of the codons:

ATG GAG TCG ACG TAG

which code for:

met glu ser thr STOP
M E S T

so, the DNA sequence ATGGAGTCGACGTAG codes for the protein methionine-glutamate-serine-threonine.

so, in response to your question: no. if a person had 24 codons turned on, they would almost certainly be dead, as they wouldn't be able to translate their DNA very effectively.

Victoria Tintagel
26th April 2010, 08:07
Thanks, Swami! This message was received in my mailbox also and I tried to buy the ticket for this event. To my disappointment, it's only accessible through payment by creditcard.
Without such a card I cannot buy access. It's such a pity, as the price is only $9.90 I hope this lecture will be presented afterwards, for free access. If you record this lecture, could you send it to me, afterwards? That would be great! Espavo and safe journey!

Victoria Tintagel
26th April 2010, 17:53
Hi Samvado, I think I do understand your point, I am also familiar with Drunvalo's work and besides his explanation on the "evolvement" of our DNA, I have studied other sources that mention this same issue: the change within our DNA. An increasing amount of children is born with a certain quality of DNA that allows them to heal, from AIDS, by example. I have been investigating this subject some time ago and I cannot tell you where I found this information, unfortunately! I have the opinion that evolution itself is transforming its laws. Laws that were appropriate to a certain era and consciousness. I could accept the idea that evolution itself is evolving, know what I mean? Maybe we will be surprised at ourselves in the future, when we have fully realised our potential. Life has a tendency to not follow the rules of just the left brain, I think. Espavo!

Jacqui D
26th April 2010, 18:45
I too feel drunvalo may be teaching wrongly, i have felt something not quite right after i started looking into his work.
But each to his own as they say what works for one doesn't necessarily works for others.
I would never try to persuade anyone to any teachings you must come to your own opinions on peoples work.
Just take care when committing yourself to such life changing agendas.

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I too feel drunvalo may be teaching wrongly, i have felt something not quite right after i started looking into his work.
But each to his own as they say what works for one doesn't necessarily works for others.
I would never try to persuade anyone to any teachings you must come to your own opinions on peoples work.
Just take care when committing yourself to such life changing agendas.

Vidya Moksha
26th April 2010, 20:09
I dont think so.

About Drunvalo: He is a scammer.



mmm. i think he is much worse than that

Gestalt
27th April 2010, 05:19
I actually did the Flower of Life Workshop and learned the Mer-Ka-Ba meditation.
The whole sacred geometry aspect was cool but I don't know how much of Drunval's other stuff I buy.
On the whole he doesn't come across as a happy enlightened man....like you think he would if he is what he claims he is....
This leads me to believe he puts on a bit(or a lot) of an act.

Niobe
27th April 2010, 10:33
Thanks, Swami! This message was received in my mailbox also and I tried to buy the ticket for this event. To my disappointment, it's only accessible through payment by creditcard.
Without such a card I cannot buy access. It's such a pity, as the price is only $9.90 I hope this lecture will be presented afterwards, for free access. If you record this lecture, could you send it to me, afterwards? That would be great! Espavo and safe journey!

Hi there Marian,

I am not sure about the Netherlands, but here in the United States we can buy prepaid credit cards at a lot of pharmacies and big "box" stores. I do some work for an online retailer and this is what we recommend to people that want to purchase our product but do not have a credit card.

:) Have a wonderful day!

Niobe

Grizzom
27th April 2010, 11:43
He had me going for about a month awhile back.

I did some research and found that he's just another hippie freak milking the new age tit.

He's in it to make money and is totally plastic!

On tape he comes off as a caring lovable guy.

Off camera he's a stone cold businessman who's only concern is making money.

I really liked Dru and was hurt when I found out he was just another snake oil salesman :Cry:

Vidya Moksha
27th April 2010, 12:19
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=175715

and
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=14331

"I traveled there from our home in Northern Idaho a couple of weeks later and we spent a few days getting acquainted. He needed to study my energy field up close and read my mind to make sure I wasn't part of an elaborate setup to take him down and I satisfied my initial curiosity about him and 'checked his credentials,' including the bullet scars on either side of his throat, his 33d degree Scottish Rite ring, some of the books he wrote, pictures of him with the New Age gurus that he was previously associated with and the 9mm pistol a CIA relative gave him as a genuine gesture of concern after he was shot. New Agers aren't generally armed.

Six or seven years before we met he had come to understand that the Great White Brotherhood is a satanic organization and that, essentially, everything and everyone he believed passionately in was false. An Illuminati oracle has to be kept from this truth so that his master can send him out into the ethers like a kite to retrieve information that the spiritually degraded master can't access. The Great White Brotherhood uses this retrieved information and it's subsidiaries, including the CIA and British MI6, to create disinformation and thus infiltrate and then corrupt the legitimately progressive movements and otherwise-discerning, inquisitive individuals in the world.

He began opposing them instead of supporting them and for years his former masters gave him a lot of slack, even allowing him to go on the lecture circuits with conspiracy authors and militia leaders and tell the public what he knew.

Torkum Sassarian had died right before DB woke up, by the way. He showed me a photo of a gathering of New Age gurus, with Sassarian in their midst, taken in 1987 on the grounds of the Masonic Temple in Sedona, Arizona. During that conference they were designing the mind control agenda that would be called, 'the Harmonic Convergence.' Present were DB, Sassarian, Gregg Braden, Drunvalo Melchizedek, Jean Houston, Shirley MacLaine, James Twyman and a dozen other people whose names I didn't recognize, including Goru Adachi, from Japan, whom DB mistakenly assumed was Ken Adachi, who is an Italian guy from Brooklyn.

It was another six years or so before DB consciously realized that this was not a gathering of self-sacrificing beings. He told me that Shirley MacLaine is a very sweet person, though a childhood product of one of the early CIA Monarch Programs. He also told me that Drunvalo was given his job after DB bolted in the mid 90s."

Swami
27th April 2010, 13:59
Thank you all for your comments..

I never had a very "good" feeling with Mr. Melchizedek either..

Why...?

The guy changed his name. I dont like it to much when people change their names. Its a vibrational thing........
(Oooow i can hear you scream..... you hypocrite, you call yourself Swami. For those peoples my name is Mike)

Victoria Tintagel
28th April 2010, 21:21
Hi there, here's the introduction video by Drunvalo, on the coming event, posted by Swami: the 26th of May The Dawn of a New Humanity by Drunvalo Melchizedek. For those who are interested, the lecture will be published on that same website afterwards: http://drunvalo.eso.tv/
Here's the introduction, enjoy your day!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuUuPJSyMms

shiva777
28th April 2010, 21:30
I don't think that Drunvalo is a scammer or just in it for the money,I just think that he is another being who is being mislead by astral entities claiming to be angelic or enlightened intelligences,...the "heart chakra" is a very complex issue,the heart chakra is the 4th chakra and the 4th dimensional access point,if you get stuck in the lower astral "heart" connection it can feel great and loving but it's a trick,to go much deeper in to the heart beyond the 4d.astral level is a matter of being balanced in the higher chakras also, so many "love and lighters" get lost in the heart/astral realms and don;t connect in to the heart/Source connections

...careful with Drunvalo Melchizedek and his version of "sacred geometry",,,there is going to be a video posted on proj camelot soon with Kerry interviewing Ashayana Deane and she will explain that the fibonacci,golden mean ,metatron's cube etc are corruptions of the true "sacred geometry"...yes,I know,many are saying "that cannot be!!"...I used to be one of them until I looked deeper in to my spirit and in to the theory as well.....here is an excerpt out of Ashayana deanes summary on current events and 2012 etc,pertaining to TRUE SACRED GEOMETRY

read the whole summary here,it will explain more than the blow excerpt http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Co..._summary_2.php

"Once activated, this “Artificial-Light Death Star Merkaba Vehicle,” created through the “Bloom of Doom” and related technologies, engages the finite-life mathematical growth formulae of the “golden mean rectangle” and “Fibonacci spiral & sequence” to increase its spin-speed by draining energy from the life-field around it. Usually, inorganic Death Star Merkaba technologies employ the unnatural spin-speed starting ratios of “34 / 21” in relation to two separate “same-spin fixed-vortex sets” (4 vortices, rather than the organic 2) placed in counter-rotation to each other, which accelerate and blend to a “common spin” of 55 when activated. Following activation, the Death Star Merkaba engages acceleration and quantum expansion via the inorganic growth ratios of the Fibonacci sequence, using the “energy sucking” dynamics inherent to the physics-mechanics illustrated within the Fibonacci spiral. Organic Krystar Merkaba Vehicles begin with a natural “331/3 – 112/3” spin-speed ratio of a single set of 2 counter-rotating vortices, and build spin-speed and energy thrust to much higher speeds — beyond the known “speed of light” — through internal quantum self-generation, following the mathematical correspondences characteristic to the organic “Krystal Spiral and Sequence” growth formula. The “ratio numbers” pertaining to organic Merkaba Vortex spin-speeds refer to the number of rotations each counter-rotating vortex completes in a given period, for a period measured in increments that can be relatively compared to “one rotation per trillionth of a billionth of a nanosecond,” or RP-TBN.

Upon full activation, the “Death Star Merkaba Harness Vehicle” and its contents, be it a person, planet or galaxy, can engage limited local interdimensional relocation — but only through inorganic wormhole, portal and black hole structures formed by the same “Death Science” technologies. Once a biological or matter-form engages full Death Star Merkaba Vehicle activation, its matter-template becomes permanently mutated, and the being or matter-form loses its organic potential of natural multidimensional Ascension, along with the ability to pass through the organic Star-Gate “Ascension Passages” inherent to the Cosmic Templar. Though the Death Star Merkaba offers the “immediate perks” of temporary extension of form longevity and limited interdimensional transport within black hole/ wormhole systems, due to the organic Natural Laws of Physics inherent to the eternal system of the Living Cosmos, the ultimate fate of the Death Star Merkaba is inevitable implosion, energetic self-annihilation and release of its harnessed quanta to space-dust. Use of the Death Star External Merkaba Vehicle can be compared to “taking a poorly planned quantum joyride that inevitably ends in a deadly crash at the end of a dead-end road”; at the least, use of the Death Star Merkaba is a very unwise decision, if one genuinely cares about the potentials of one’s own experiential evolutionary destiny.

Unlike the inorganic, externally-fueled External Merkaba of the Death Star Vehicle, the organic, internally-fueled Internal Merkaba structures inherent to the Krystar Ascension Vehicle allow for progressively unlimited interdimensional and trans-dimensional travel, and full, holistic evolutionary expansion back into the Original State of Pure Source-Consciousness. The Krystar Ascension Vehicle is formed through, and functions as, a natural consequence to harmonious use of energy and consciousness in relation to the Natural Laws of Physics inherent to the eternal Living Cosmos.

The distorted vesica piscis Artificial-Light manipulations and Death Star Merkaba mechanics, which are at the core of the ancient Atlantean “Bloom of Doom” and “Death Science” teachings, work together with the distorted matter-template mechanics of the “Tree of Artificial Life,” “golden mean rectangle,” the “Fibonacci spiral & sequence” and other related “Death Science” components not discussed in this writing, to form an inorganic technology that attempts to manufacture an “artificial facsimile of Eternal Life Ascension.” This “facsimile of the sacred” is intended to allow the organic Laws of Energy and Consciousness that govern the eternal Living Cosmos, to be bent, broken, twisted and misused, without truth or consequence, by the whims of finite ego.

Beings who knowingly employ this mentality desire to “take a free ride at the expense of whomever or whatever crosses their paths,” without any consideration for “fair or harmoniously balanced energy exchange”; they suffer from a Dis-ease of Supreme Arrogance, through which they become self-deluded into thinking they can escape the organic Natural Laws of Action and Consequence-to-Action by which the eternal Cosmos functions. Such beings inevitably learn, most often the “hard way,” that such “delusions of grandeur,” and the perverse technologies created to fulfill them, simply do not work within the greater structures and context of the eternal Natural Cosmic Laws of Multidimensional Physics — for energetic action will always be met with corresponding energetic consequence.

The genuine “Sacred Science” teachings of the MCEO existed long before creation of the CDT-Plates or seeding of the Angelic Human lineage; the organic First-Creation Dynamics featured in the MCEO teachings existed as the living framework of cosmic reality long before the nature of these dynamics were ever recorded as “teachings.” The “Death Science” distortions of these “First-Creation Dynamics” also existed within our Universe long before their more recent historical return to Earth through the Atlantean “Bloom of Doom” teachings derived from Illuminati infiltration of the stolen CDT-Plate. Technologies born of the “false Sacred Science” teachings, and corresponding perversions of Natural Cosmic Physics Laws, have wreaked havoc for eons within our Galaxy and others, since their inception billions of years ago among interdimensional races that attempted to “push the concept of Free Will Consequence” beyond all intrinsic, organic cosmic boundaries. Prior to the appearance of the “Bloom of Doom” Death Science technologies on Earth, these technologies were known in our local Universe as the “Teachings of Metatronic Death Science,” named after a local entity collective, called “Metatron,” who was instrumental in bringing the Death Sciences more directly into our local Galaxy.

(Detailed information on “organic First-Creation Dynamics,” the historical “Fall of Metatron” and related characters, and the mechanics and historical applications of “Metatronic Death Science” is found in Voyagers Volume-2, 2nd Edition, throughout various MCEO Freedom Teachings® workshop DVD programs, and in Introductory-Topics Summary-1.)



Ancient Deception, the Fall of Atlantis & Comparative Review of Death Science Paradigms

In the ancient Atlantean period of Earth, the “Bloom of Doom” Death Science technologies became well-rooted in Atlantean cultural practices; our contemporary planetary environment, human DNA and the evolutionary potentials of Earth’s collective life-field are still suffering from the progressive, continuing effects of the applications of the Atlantean Death Science technologies. A primary factor in the spread of Death Science teachings and technologies within the advanced ancient cultures of the Atlantean period was the mass deception used..."

the whole article is here

http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Co..._summary_2.php

TheRebel
28th April 2010, 23:48
Why do you think that Ashyana Deane is not being misled and manipulated by astral entities for their own agendas. The website "azurite press" runs by Anna Hyayes or Ashyana Deane and the info do look like "cult" promotion and money making business. I have not found or heard anywhere Drunvalo criticizing Anna or other similar ones; that is how you can judge if you want to; that who is misleading and promoting cult.

Anna/Ashayana and her husband offer workshops in various spots around the world for their followers to come and activate sacred sites and do special dances and have their followers stand on and paste special codes on their bodies and do multiple meditations and prayers and songs daily to save themselves from the bad aliens who might try to abduct them and destroy the world. These workshops cost thousands of dollars and no person is allowed at these workshops unless they buy their plane and hotel fares through Anna's company. People who have traveled on their own to the site of the workshop have not been allowed to attend the workshops - which means that Anna's comany pockets any profits from the airfares not used through discounts, etc.


http://www.greatdreams.com/ufos/ufo-cults.htm

samvado
28th April 2010, 23:55
Why do you think that Ashyana Deane is not being misled and manipulated by astral entities for their own agendas.

she certainly is - its amusing to read how one scam is fighting the other - very funny indeed.

stardustaquarion
29th April 2010, 10:25
Why do you think that Ashyana Deane is not being misled and manipulated by astral entities for their own agendas. The website "azurite press" runs by Anna Hyayes or Ashyana Deane and the info do look like "cult" promotion and money making business. I have not found or heard anywhere Drunvalo criticizing Anna or other similar ones; that is how you can judge if you want to; that who is misleading and promoting cult.

Anna/Ashayana and her husband offer workshops in various spots around the world for their followers to come and activate sacred sites and do special dances and have their followers stand on and paste special codes on their bodies and do multiple meditations and prayers and songs daily to save themselves from the bad aliens who might try to abduct them and destroy the world. These workshops cost thousands of dollars and no person is allowed at these workshops unless they buy their plane and hotel fares through Anna's company. People who have traveled on their own to the site of the workshop have not been allowed to attend the workshops - which means that Anna's comany pockets any profits from the airfares not used through discounts, etc.


http://www.greatdreams.com/ufos/ufo-cults.htm


Hi TheRebel, personally I think that everyone is entitled to their own oppinion, belief system and journey. There is no evidence that Anna Hayes is a scammer and yes Drunvalo have written an open letter where he critizises Anna's system but the proof of the pudding is on the eating. I have tried both systems and I like AD because it comes with the science that explains in fine detail how things work which is much more cohesive than Drunvalo's but hey, likings are a personal thing. Drunvalo is not a charity either.

If you want to learn lots of keylontic sciences there is plenty free techs in the azurites website. As for the workshops yes some of them are expensive but only the ones that are held abroad and go for 7 to 10 days. If you were to take a tour with Cox and Kings to the same sacred sites it will cost you more and won't come with the teachings. Still, if you don't want to travel you can get the DVDs that are excelent value for money and with a similar cost than any other on the market

I personaly like AD teachings and after many years of searching I have found that they have answered questions that no one else was able to and my experience have been enormously self empowering, so I am happy with that. I just want to add that there is no cult, you join in if you want to go to workshops or not. No one tells you what to do, you don't even have to buy anything if you chose not to, total freedom.

Cheers

RedeZra
29th April 2010, 15:39
Why do you think that Ashyana Deane is not being misled and manipulated by astral entities for their own agendas. The website "azurite press" runs by Anna Hyayes or Ashyana Deane and the info do look like "cult" promotion and money making business.

http://www.greatdreams.com/ufos/ufo-cults.htm


tnx for the link

to trust a channeler is not the same as to think for oneself

the channeler does the thinking for you

stardustaquarion
29th April 2010, 15:45
tnx for the link

to trust a channeler is not the same as to think for oneself

the channeler does the thinking for you

Hello RedeZra, I thought I chip in to say that Ashayana does not channel but Drunvalo does

Love

Ahkenaten
29th April 2010, 16:00
Here is the recent history of the sacred lineage of Drunvalo Malchizedek: J.J. Hurtak, Leader of the Council of Nine --> Dr. Andreija Puharich, govt.-employed psychiatrist experimenting with mind-control psy-ops and the occult with the full cooperation of the elites --> SRI ----> JPL ------> you can see where this is trending ------ And one wonders, pray, why anyone would have slight misgivings about or an instinctive aversion to "Drunvalo Malchizedek" ?! More interesting yet to triangulate popular new age savants currently ensnared with Drunvalo Malchizedek or any espousing a version of his 'sacred' teachings. Judge them by the company they keep. Not all is as it may appear on the surface, moreover purely as a practical matter, very often people make their livings by deception.

Snowbird
14th June 2010, 13:48
This 129-minute video may have already been posted. I went in search of it, but could not find it.

In this presentation of the Mayan teachings and prophecies, Drunvalo Melchizedek speaks for the Mayan people. To me, what the Mayan people have to say is extremely important for the earth's people. It is a message of love and hope and warning all rolled into one. I don't take lightly what the Mayans and the Hopis (I learned that the Hopis are actually Mayan and they have accepted this) have to say about the universal earth changes described by DM. This is important.

The Maya Of Eternal Time-2012 Drunvalo Melchizedek

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/The_Maya_Of_Eternal_Time_-_2012

Snowbird
10th December 2010, 04:23
I have just spent about 1.5 incredible hours listening to Drunvalo Melchizedek being interviewed by Lilou Mace. From what I just heard, the siege has ended. This has been quite amazing to listen to.

We are being helped and will be helped, not by the ETs, but by ITs. Drunvalo's story is really unlike anything I have heard yet. And yet, I have no reason to not believe him.

Wow! Just Wow!


Drunvalo Melchizedek

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaRBryUMV8&feature=channel part 1


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_858888&v=oZsJrY1aW3g&feature=iv part 2

Elandiel BernElve
10th December 2010, 10:10
The man is truely amazing indeed. I have spent hours reading, listening and watching his stuff.
The whole he presents could easily be accepted as truth. I've even attended his livestream conference last summer, tuned in with over 100.000 people the energetic vibe was immense.

For now I've left it for what it is. I can't help but wonder why he seems to be on a solo quest for the earth. None of the known whistleblowers ever talk about him.
Curious...

Victoria Tintagel
10th December 2010, 10:27
Good morning to you all, thank you very much, for this thread, Snowbird, beautiful :) I know Drunvalo since 1996 and have been with him and his staff during workshops in Holland, me as the cook catering for him and the staff. He is a most pure and loving human being and a far advanced soul. He has shared his background and his being a "walk in". This was the first plausible case of a "walk in" I ever heard of. His personal website is www.drunvalo.net
He is webmaster of the site www.spiritofmaat.com a site dedicated to Maat, the Egyption Goddess of Truth. She weighs your soul with a feather in her other hand :) To me he's the most dedicated teacher, coming from the heart. I learned most of him in his company as he certainly walks his talk and shows his compassion and love for lady Gaia.

I've attended the Flower of Life workshop in 1996, the second one in Europe and Holland. This was one of the most beautiful experiences in my life. Seven days in Centre Karnac Amsterdam, all of us becoming one big family. Only videos and meditations, learning about sacred geometry and the activation of the MerKaBah, the Lightbody. Almost pyama partying, ha....so much fun and lots of videos with dolphins, their antics and healing powers. The activation of the MerKaBa is a very helpful tool in the huge transformation that happens on this planet and all through the Galaxy.

Not only is the MerKaBah a natural part of our being, an ancient knowledge that is transmitted by Thoth to Drunvalo, it's a creation tool and vehicle for travel, even among the stars, if desired. But it's also transdimensional. The use of the MerKaBah is our natural birthright, in our original pristine state, and is being awakened and restored in all humans. In 1996 the instructions were given by fascillitators of the FOL workshop only. Now the explanation and use of the MerKaBah is free for everyone, our collective consciousness is awakened to such a degree that we are able to learn, use and handle it ourselves. The MerKaBah is a "Consciousness and Love" tool and cannot be misused, as an energetic part and creation tool of a human being. The subject of the MerKaBah is huge, there are much more geometric forms and concepts then the 3D Star of David. Drunvalo explains the connection between consciousness and the Platonic Solids and the nature of straight lines and edges as masculin and curved, round, spiraling forms as feminine. The 19 entwined circles of the Flower of Life are surrounded by a bigger 20th circle: an ancient creation pattern.

The use of the MerKaBah energy during the end times of Atlantis was a deliberate attempt to manipulate natural powers. This involved a material 3D Startetrahedron, a 3D Star of David. This experiment was allowed to take place, simply because of our free will. The result of this is visible around us. We cannot fall further down. We are caterpillars, afraid to die, surprised to discover we become butterflies :)

The 2 books "The ancient secret of the Flower of Life" are freely available at www.scribd.com
Sometimes I copy from these books, to post explanations. Love to you all, blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

bilko
10th December 2010, 10:51
I want to believe him sooo much but sometimes i daren't. I feel like i need someone with a rope ladder just in case my letting go ends with a bump to the head.
Thats not his fault though, its my own personal inner struggle with fear i think.

Ilie Pandia
10th December 2010, 13:30
I can't help but wonder why he seems to be on a solo quest for the earth. None of the known whistleblowers ever talk about him.
Curious...

That is exactly what bothers me about Drunvalo. When I have first discovered his presentations I was amazed with the new information. The problem is that at that time (one year ago) I could not find any confirmation for info (except of course the sacred geometry, flower of life stuff). I was particularly interested in some "super children" supposedly in China that could walk through walls have other unusual abilities.

The post of tintagelcave is the first "positive" review I have read about Drunvalo :).

Victoria Tintagel
10th December 2010, 15:52
I was particularly interested in some "super children" supposedly in China that could walk through walls have other unusual abilities.

Hey undeadpixel, I've got several documentaries and videos on this subject. I will try to post them here asap, blessed be, Dutchess Tint.


The post of tintagelcave is the first "positive" review I have read about Drunvalo
Thank you, undeadpixel :) I guess the most convincing proof for truth in a man is to be with him and experience, witness, feel, look and listen. Drunvalo is one of many teachers, he himself had 72 teachers, before he presented the FOL workshop in the eighties, the "Earth & Sky" workshop in the nineties, followed by the "Sacred Space in the Heart" workshop somewhat later. The presentation of Drunvalo's work, in books, videos and workshops is always well structured and complete, with sources, historic facts, artifacts and scientific explanations of, for example, geometrical forms of energy, surrounding living beings. Like the 3D Star of David around our physical body. I've experienced the FOL and the Earth & Sky workshop as very beneficial and felt lots of puzzelpieces falling into their place. Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

conk
10th December 2010, 17:40
I see on his site that he promotes Fulvic Acid. Many of my alternative health newsletters also promote the use of this product.

Some reported properties of Fulvic Acid:
Helps promote, support and maintain a well-balanced immune system in healthy individuals
It has powerful free radical neutralizing capabilities, helping to scrub your body of harmful environmental and food-based toxins.
Increases metabolism of proteins
It is a powerful, natural electrolyte
Transports nutrients into the cell and increases the bioavailability of nutrients in our diet
Restores the bodies electrochemical balance
Assists in removal of toxins, heavy metals and "bad" calcium and acts as an aggressive Chelator (Chelation therapy) in healthy adults
Boost healthy immune function

This gives him some semblance of credibility in my eyes.

Zillah
10th December 2010, 17:44
Brilliant man! I listened to this interview last week, Lilou has many amazing guests, I have to admit.

A fantastic book I keep by my bedside by Mr. Melchizedek if you haven't picked it up yet: click me (http://www.amazon.ca/Ancient-Secret-Flower-Life/dp/1891824171%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJASE6HSSVXTNREYQ %26tag%3Dsmarterfox-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165 953%26creativeASIN%3D1891824171)

Thank you for the post!

Victoria Tintagel
10th December 2010, 19:03
December, 2000
http://www.inlightimes.com/

Children of the New Dream

An Interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek
by Diane Cooper
The following highly interesting interview with Drunvalo contains powerful information regarding the super children and DNA. (Interview from UFOPals list).

Diane: So Drunvalo…who are these "Children of the New Dream" that you are so excited about?

Drunvalo: Well there are three different kinds of children emerging in the world today that I have been able to identify. The first are called the "Super Psychic Children of China". The second are called the "Indigo Children" and the third are called the "Children of AIDS".

The first one, the "Super Psychics of China", we talked about in the Flower of Life seminars. If you remember, the first one was discovered in 1984 when a child was found who was psychic beyond belief. Researchers conducted every psychic test you could imagine and he was 100% correct every time. You could turn cards over in another room and that didn't matter. He could perfectly know what was on the card.

So Omni magazine went to China and wrote an article on this discovery. They found one child and then another. When they went in 1984 they assumed it was a hoax so they did experiments like putting 100 kids in a room and taking a book and randomly pulling out a page. They would crumple it up and stick it under their arm. These kids could read every word on the page.

They did test after test, and the response was flawless. The phenomena didn't stop there. These kids are not just in China. They have spread all over the world. I personally have been talking to parents who ask me, "…what do we do. I have a kid who knows everything?"

I believe Lee Carroll is calling the children being born here in the U.S. "the Indigo Children". I personally think that the two groups are coming from the same source, however, I don't know that for sure. There appears to be two separate groups, incredibly psychic and amazing.

It is the third group that I am most interested in - the Children of AIDS. About 10 or 11 years ago in the US, there was a baby born with AIDS. They tested him at birth and at six months and he tested positive for AIDS. They tested him a year later and he still tested positive. Then they didn't test him again until he was six years old, and what was amazing is that this test showed that he was completely AIDS free! In fact, there was no trace that he ever had AIDS or HIV whatsoever!

He was taken to UCLA to see what was going on and those tests showed that he didn't have normal human DNA. In the human DNA we have four nucleic acids that combine in sets of three producing 64 different patterns that are called codons. Human DNA all over the world always has 20 of these codons turned on and the rest of them are turned off, except for three which are stop and start codes, much like a computer.

Science always assumed that the ones that were turned off were old programs from our past. I've always seen them like application programs in a computer. Anyway…this boy had 24 codons turned on - four more than any other human being. Then they tested this kid to see how strong his immune system was.
They took a very lethal dose of AIDS in a petri dish and mixed it with some of his cells and his cells remained completely unaffected. They kept raising the lethalness of the com-position and finally went up to 3,000 times more than what was necessary to infect a human being and his cells stayed completely disease free.

Afterwards they started testing his blood with other things like cancer and discovered this kid was immune to everything! Then they found another kid with these codons turned on - then another one then another one - then 10,000, then 100,000, then a million of them and at this point, UCLA, by watching worldwide DNA testing, estimates that 1% of the world has this new DNA. That breaks down to approximately 60 million people who are not human by the old criteria.

Diane: Is this new codon activation found only in newborn children?

Drunvalo: Well, it's mostly children, but now they are finding adults with it too - just like the hundredth monkey theory. Now all kinds of people are being affected by it and it's spreading fast. Remember, it started just five years ago with almost no one and now it's spreading - just like a disease. It's like an outbreak and this is only the beginning.

The other part of this concerns the new book entitled, Cracking the Bible Code which has to do with running the Hebrew Books of the Bible through a specialized computer program. If you go to page 164 of this book, it shows where these researchers put the word 'AIDS' into the program to see what would happen. When they did, the program translation provided words like "HIV", "in the blood", "the immune system", "death" - all the things you would think you'd see around the word AIDS, but down in the corner was this sentence that they didn't understand and it said, "the end of disease," and that is what I believe is happening here.

Science has stated that there are so many people showing up with this new alien DNA they now believe a new human race is being born on the Earth today and apparently they can't get sick. What is really incredible, they believe that it is a very specific emotional, mental body response - a waveform coming off the body that is causing the DNA to mutate in a certain way.

I've sat with Gregg Braden who was one of the first persons to write about this and what we believe is that there are three parts to this phenomenon. The first part is the mind that sees unity. It sees the Flower of Life. It sees everything interconnected in all ways. It doesn't see anything as being separate.

The second part is being centered in the heart - to be loving.

And the third thing is to step out of polarity - to no longer judge the world. As long as we are judging the world as good or bad, then we are inside polarity and remain in the fallen state. I believe these people (with the new DNA) have somehow stepped out of judging and are in a state where they see everything as one and feeling Love.
Whatever they are doing within themselves is producing a waveform that when seen on computer screens looks almost identical to the DNA molecule. So the researchers think that by the very expression of their life these people are mapping with the DNA - resonating it - and are changing these four codons and in so doing become immune to the disease.

What they don't know and this is where a lot of research gets to happen is so maybe they are immune, but is there anything else? They might be immortal, who knows. Maybe there are other characteristics that we haven't even dreamed of. I often wonder if they are all linked together? Is there some form of telepathic connection that goes on?

Diane: Have you met any of these people? Are they accessible?

Drunvalo: Well, I've known about this for over two years and I have personally followed this path and I think I've moved into what they are doing. I have gone into the merkabah and asked my subconscious mind to change my codons in the same way and ever since I began to do this over two years ago, I haven't been able to get sick. I don't know if I've been able to change them or not. I guess the only way I'd know is with a DNA test.

However, I've been exposed to all kinds of things and when someone gets sick I purposely get close to them and try to get it. I've been trying to get sick and I can't. I feel something come on and it will last maybe an hour and then it's gone.

What is interesting is that hardly any of this new DNA is found in the Super Psychic Children of China - almost zero. It is, however, being found in Russia and the U.S. There seems to be pockets of it and if what we are thinking is right, it has to do with a very specific response which is where most people in the New Age are headed for.

Diane: Do you think these people are creating the DNA changes unconsciously?

Drunvalo: I think someone has made the path - one child did it somewhere. Then he put it into the grids and it is now in the subconscious of the Earth and is accessible to anyone. Once that happened I think somehow or another other people have connected to this on a subconscious level in deep meditation and prayer and made the change. A new race is being born and it is one of the most remarkable phenomenon that has happened on the planet! It's incredible that no one seems to know about this until now!

Diane: Well, you are the only one I've ever heard speak about this.

Drunvalo: Well, I've been tracking this for about two years and I've waited to say anything because I wanted to make sure it was real. In the book called, The Indigo Children there has been extensive research on these children. There are websites you can go to if you're a parent where they begin to interview you about exactly what's going on with your child.

Like I said earlier, these kids know exactly what you're feeling and what you're thinking. You can't hide anything from them. It's really amazing! I see it as a phenomenon like the ET's except they aren't coming here in spaceship form - they are coming here in spirit form making it personal by coming into the Earth's evolutionary cycle and joining with us. I've often thought that when spirits come in on the right side of the planet - Japan, China, and Tibet for instance, the incarnating being takes on the psychic characteristics (of those people), and if they come in on the western side - the logical side (i.e., physical characteristics) - then the DNA comes in changed. But that's just speculation on my part. I'm just looking at this and trying to understand what is occurring.

At the workshops I'm going to do, I'm going to bring everything I've learned together and teach people to actually access this and make the change. I think I know - or I'm very close.

Diane: And that has to do with putting yourself in a certain state of consciousness?

Drunvalo: Yes, a very specific state of consciousness produces a change in your DNA - and I think it's just the beginning of much more than that. The fact it could be the end of disease is just a tiny bit of the total picture.

Diane: How would this particular kind of work and discovery affect the DNA activation work that seems to be popping up all over?

Drunvalo: Well, if you know your light body and you know how psychic energy works and if you understand the connection of the subconscious to all life on this planet, then you can go in and ask your subconscious. Your subconscious knows exactly which codons those kids have changed and if you ask for those things to happen through your light body and in the presence of God, it should occur. It also requires dropping polarity - no longer thinking in terms of good or bad, but seeing the wholeness and completion and perfection of life. It is a very definite mind, emotional and body response.

The body response is the one where your body simply does not acknowledge good or bad, but sees there is a higher purpose behind it all. We all know this stuff - everyone from Jesus to Krishna to Sai Baba has been talking about this for a long time, but this is the first I'm aware of where something actually is changing in the outer environment.

People's DNA is really changing. There have been many who have talked about this - but none of this had been seen by science. Now it has been seen and documented.

Diane: So, if that's the case, then what significance does that have on our lives today?

Drunvalo: I believe that all of us have the choice to follow this particular pattern that the children have set up or not. It is said that the children will lead the way. If we wish to and we trust these children, as I do, one of the side effects is the immunity to disease.

Diane: There are a lot of us who are choosing immortality. However, some people would say that to be immune to disease is also to upset the life/death cycle which has supposedly helped to keep the planet in balance. How would you answer that?

Drunvalo: Well, I just don't judge it. This is happening and if it is going to upset the cycle, and it probably will in some way, everything that is occurring in life has a reason and purpose for it.

Perhaps these people, who don't get sick anymore, won't even die and maybe their consciousness is so much aligned with the original purpose of Earth that ultimately it would mean an Earth that is whole and complete and not one that is polluted and deadly and over taxed. We could easily live with six billion people or twenty billion if…we live differently. There is plenty of space and it's just that we are using our resources in ways that are killing the planet. If we were to choose to live in different ways, that might change.

Maybe through these people the answers might become apparent. For someone to move into a state where they are immune to disease is a very powerful indication that they are definitely in harmony with life somehow. We can equate this process with the mutation of bacteria and viruses. We attack their systems with pollutants such as penicillin for instance, and it kills them all except for a few. Those few get stronger.

Now what's happening is that these bacteria are getting to the place where they are immune to the poisons we are giving them. And have we not done the same thing? We are mutating to a point where we are not affected by pollution or viruses or by disease. And you know, there is another thing that happened last year. AIDS dropped something like 47% - the largest drop of a single disease in the history of the world. I believe it had a lot to do with this very thing that we are talking about.

Diane: That's exciting!

Drunvalo: Yes, it is. I just let the Earth prompt me where to go. Of course, it is important to know our light bodies and how to use them, but the children are very carefully saying, come this way and see where this leads.

Diane: So is this what your future workshops will be focused on?

Drunvalo: Yes. I will be putting everything I've learned in the last two years from my research and the Earth/Sky work, into a simple response where anyone can move into the place the children accessed. I'll do my best!


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conk
10th December 2010, 19:34
I believe all children are born with inate abilities that are extraordinary. The adults then proceed to program them out of it. "No honey, it was just your imagination". "There are no such things as _______________", or "stop that levitating right this instant"! ;)

It does seem that some children, as described in the interview, are beyond the rest. Very interesting.

Victoria Tintagel
10th December 2010, 19:37
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12478086/Melchizedek
"A Love Story" Excerpt of The Open Line Issue Sept 1994: Lecture given by: Drunvalo Melchizedek at 'Archangel Michael Conclave' Banff, Canada March 1994

Drunvalo Melkizedek --Bible Code & The Akashic Records 1/4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3kvSG7TTtg

Hey Avaloneans, I am trying to post some video's and MP3's with presentations of Drunvalo Melchizedek. Let's see if this works. There's a lot to find too, with the help of friend Google.
Check James Twyman's website www.emissaryoflight.com on the subject of psychic children in Romenia, being educated in former monasteries.

The Starchildren, Indigos, Crystal kids, what's in a name :) are the wayshowers and signposts for humanity on Earth, together with the Awakened older ones. They aren't really "better" or "special" from an ego point of view, I think parents are often very "mental" and "heavy" handling the fact that they have a Starchild, shaping all kind of nonsense ideas out of it, based on fear and the unpredictable nature of their kid(s future). I work with children and whatever talents they express, they should be unconditionally loved, nurtured, cared for and fed properly, like all other children.

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/dec10/Cyrilla_Gallagher_Drunvalo_Melchizedek_nov2010.mp3
File Name

A Special Solstice Interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek
To celebrate the season, and as a special gift to all of you, Cyrilla Gallagher invited Drunvalo Melchizedek to join her on the show this month.
In an hour long interview, the man who needs no introduction covers the Great Shift, the ascension phenomenon, the Mayan prophecies, and the news on the thousands of recently discovered Codices that will hopefully give us a clearer understanding of what it means to be alive at this time. Portions of the conversation tie all of the above in with the Extraterrestrial presence and the extent to which our Star Brothers are here to guide us through the End Times and ease our transition into Unity Consciousness. You will also hear what Drunvalo has to say about the Inner Terrestrials and the importance of their role at this stage of the game. If you think you've heard it all, guess again! We invite you to tune in to a totally wonderful, enlightening, and mind blowing hour with one of the most amazing men on the planet.

Unity Breath mediation


http://drunvalo.eso.tv/

Serpent of Light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDFuuA0d2-Y&NR=1

Drunvalo on the Higher Self:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-654567353199226588&hl=en

Drunvalo in Argentine August 2 2008 Spanish subtitles
New energies on Earth and Latin America, the MerKaBah and the Serpent of Light: the kundalini energy of our planet moving from Tibet towards South America


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=224192221381464375

A conversation including psychic children
5th Interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek at Omega Institute, NY, July 28, with Marie Allizon (MBA), Director of MZ Alchemist Oils
http://www.4dshift.com/dru01.htm

shiva777
10th December 2010, 20:04
of course Drunvalo speaks alot of VEY BASIC truths...that's how new-agey preachers get their hold on people so they can seed in very dubious "truths" and disinfo...Drunvalo is a perfect example...one who speaks of a "rapture" type event that began to be possible sometime in 2007 and lasts till 2015 when people will defeintely be "raptured" by some mysterious Saviour(wether it be the universe or ET's)...he preaches the "just go on to the heart"...the heart he speaks of is the ASTRAL levels of the heart that go VERY deep and lead to all kinds of blissful experiences and "dimensions" but which are in fact ASTRAL deceptions..the 4th dimension is the astral,the 4th chakra is the heart and it serves it's purpose and is the FIRST level of access to spiritual dimensions ,one that can lead to pure places and very distorted places,such as Drunvalo preaches about...it's when we purify and awaken all of our first 7 chakras that we enter the PURE realms of heart ,the 8th chakra/thymus and which leads us to the 12 strand DNA template...people REALLY want to believe Drunvalo because he gives them hope that they will be saved from themselves,possibly in the next second...lol..notice how the new-agers are giving all kinds of scenario's and dates SUPPOSEDLY from the same "team"...the "great white brotherhood and the ascended masters"..and how conflicting they are in detail...what they have in common is that something OUTSIDE of yourselves is going to save you soon...that's the new-age/religious agenda at work...most of these people will be seen to be deluded by 2012...Drunvalo has allowed himself a slightly longer window of 2015.at the latest...lol...

Take the truths from Drunvalo's work,there are many very basic ones there but don't fall for his ASTRAL heart [practices and reverse merkaba spins that vampirises TRUE light into false light to perform energetic activities that support the dark agendas...a heads up on some of the most obvious deceptions Drunvalo peddles..the less obvious ones can only be recognised when you can see and FEEL the difference between false light and TRUE light..the difference between organic ascension and the FALSE ASCENSION MATRIX Drunvalo promotes..I know that this will once again lead to a group of new-agers screaming nw-agey bumper stickers in this thread..those stickers and new-agey slogans keeping people stuck in the "love,light and CLUELESS" delsuion will be gone when reality rear ends them in 2013..or 2016 for some..lol

well,here is just a sample of the distortions and twsited teachings of Drunvalo and his fallen guidesw and teachers

http://www.disclose.tv/forum/drunvalo-melchizedek-confirmed-disinformation-t29948.html

bilko
10th December 2010, 20:18
Back from work and continuing my viewing of these videos.
He just said something that resonates quite profoundly with me.
Memories are magnetic and need the earth's magnetic field to interact with. When russia fist sent astronauts into space they lost their memories and went mad ( check needed ).
So when the magnetic field around the earth breaks down we might all loose our memory.
the reason this resonates with me is because i believe in reincarnation to a degree but i could never figure out entirely why we couldn't remember past and future lives.
Afterall, it would be much more productive if we could remember our mistakes. ( there is a whole debate that could be centered on that statement so i won't go into it ). But if we leave earth or are not in contact with its magnetic field between lives it would explain the past/future life amnesia we all have.

lisa
10th December 2010, 20:25
shiva777, please don't post a New Agey deceiver thread on him, otherwise it will make me think my DNA has changed and I have become super psychic. :lol

shiva777
10th December 2010, 20:29
another link on Drunvalo the NEW AGEY DECEIVER

http://www.realitysandwich.com/maya_eternal_time

Ilie Pandia
10th December 2010, 20:36
Hello tintagelcave,

The interview you have posted is exactly what I was referring to. And my question is why is only Drunvalo aware of this? What are his sources in China that speak only to him?

The abilities that those children posses would make them very hard to contain. If you can walk through walls you can be kept in one place only sedated, right? So those children should have created a massive wave in the alternative media community and yet only Drunvalo talks about them... I find this very odd.

shiva777
10th December 2010, 20:43
many people talk of them...google indigo children...what Drunvalo does is SENSATIONALISE things because he is not aware of the complexity of the situations going on here...in 2000 Drunvalo claimed indigo children would be creating huge VERY public changes in society with their inherent gifts in 2001 onwards and the mainstream public would be made aware of these extraordinary DNA abilities..this clearly hasn't happened...what he failed to take in to account in his usual naive way is that we are in an inorganic hologram...it's 2010 and google ANY popular mainstream new-ager who speaks of spontaneous DNA activation and 2012 and see what they expected to happen in the last 10 years and realise that it hasn't happened...because we are not in the natural hologram they mistakenly believe we are in...yes,I know this is over a lot of people's heads...lol...

chemical dumbing down of indigo's,frequency fences,indigo abductions,targeted remote mind control of indigo's and a million other factors that results in only very few indigo's being able to activate their DNA in ways that allow huge changes to be made within themselves and therefore within society....Drunvalo thinks that what is going on is ORGANIC in terms of "natural cycles" and DNA activation,the same lie that most new-agers are unaware of...the FACT that we are in an inorganicly controlled hologram is the reason why people's DNA ids not spontaneously activating..it is only activating in significant ways for people who are AWARE of the traps in the inorganic hologram and BEING AWARE of them they can do CONCIOUS techniques to bypass them...Drunvalo is doing a great disservice to indigo's

Ilie Pandia
10th December 2010, 21:14
Hello shiva777,

You are correct. The net is full of info about Indigo children but I got quickly lost into contradictory information and never got out. So I have put this subject aside for now. However the "Super Children of China" is a topic that only Drunvalo talks about, and nobody else (to my knowledge).

About your article: I did not read any of the Drunvalo books and even if I would read them I would not be able to get any mistakes because I know little of the Mayan culture or the calendar. But I must say that while watching his presentations on the Web he very often says things like: "this is a scientific fact", "NASA knows this", "they have seen it on the computer", "there is a study that proves this"... but not even once did he say: how come is a scientific fact, according to what paper, article, experiment, what studies, done by who, what computer model and what equipment has been used. As for NASA... I would not cite NASA as a source of "scientific facts" anymore.

I do however appreciate Drunvalo on his work related to sacred geometry, the flower of life, and the merkaba thing.

lisa
10th December 2010, 21:59
another link on Drunvalo the NEW AGEY DECEIVER

http://www.realitysandwich.com/maya_eternal_time

Okay, I am getting my DNA checked. ;)
How much do you get paid for doing this? I will pay you double.

onawah
10th December 2010, 22:16
I've always been fascinated by Drunvalo's information, but I could never get enough verification from other sources to really be convinced of all that he claims. I wish that there were more scientific verification of his assertions available to us. There have been debunkers and fans, but not much in the way of real science, and I have also noticed that whistleblowers, etc. just seem to ignore him.
Very puzzling.

onawah
10th December 2010, 22:34
About 25 minutes into Part 2 of the video interview with Lilouu, Drunvalo talks about star gates that are inside of all the stars, and says there is one inside the earth as well. Nassim Haramein says the same thing.

Ilie Pandia
10th December 2010, 22:45
About 25 minutes into Part 2 of the video interview with Lilouu, Drunvalo talks about star gates that are inside of all the stars, and says there is one inside the earth as well. Nassim Haramein says the same thing.

If memory servers Nassim Haramein says that there is a black hole, a singularity inside earth, our sun, center of galaxy and so on. I am not sure if he uses the term "stargate". And also Nassim has an entire video detailing how he got to that conclusion. And last time I checked he was working on papers to describe mathematically what he talks about. See http://www.theresonanceproject.org/.

While I do not understand all the theory Nassim is talking about, I understand from his presentation the logic behind it, and to me it make sense.

lightblue
10th December 2010, 22:46
onawah:
I've always been fascinated by Drunvalo's information, but I could never get enough verification from other sources to really be convinced of all that he claims. I wish that there were more scientific verification of his assertions available to us. There have been debunkers and fans, but not much in the way of real science, and I have also noticed that whistleblowers, etc. just seem to ignore him.
Very puzzling.

if you can identifiy in your own self some of the experiences he is talking about (from his lower/higher self video), then you already have the relevant verification...the science can't do it because occurances of that nature are not measurable... :yu: l


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witchy1
10th December 2010, 22:59
His description of entering the earth fits with something I have toyed about since I can remember. What if we are inside the creator.........if you liken it to our bodies, the earth being but one cell of the whole. Space is simply like our extracellular fluid filled with different particles / organelles and a portal to other cells in the body (other planets) (The journey to the inside of the earth/cell is a trip into the protit or somatid.) The cosmos and the constant creation and destruction of new planets is like our cells dying and renewing. We have a magnetic field around our cells (-ve charged) so does earth etc etc

So, as above so below type of thing. We are one with the creator. We are created in his true likeness.

Just putting it out there and playing with the idea............ call me crazy!!!!!

onawah
10th December 2010, 23:32
If memory servers Nassim Haramein says that there is a black hole, a singularity inside earth, our sun, center of galaxy and so on. I am not sure if he uses the term "stargate". And also Nassim has an entire video detailing how he got to that conclusion. And last time I checked he was working on papers to describe mathematically what he talks about. See http://www.theresonanceproject.org/.


While I do not understand all the theory Nassim is talking about, I understand from his presentation the logic behind it, and to me it make sense.

Yes, that's right. Thanks.
Haramein said basically that he thinks that UFOs are using the black holes as stargates, though he may have used a different term--wormholes, I think was what he said.
I am no scientist, but his logic seems so right and natural to me. And his childlike delight and wonder is very contagious.

Wesly
11th December 2010, 00:22
I like Haramein because he can think outside the box. My research has shown that the center of the sun does not exsist
in this realm. In the Lasgo EIT, with 150 layers of heat layers of heat. NASA strips off many layers so you can
see the surface of the sun. When plack builds up you can see the stars on the other side of the sun right threw the sun.

bashi
11th December 2010, 03:13
I have just spent about 1.5 incredible hours listening to Drunvalo Melchizedek being interviewed by Lilou Mace. From what I just heard, the siege has ended. This has been quite amazing to listen to.

We are being helped and will be helped, not by the ETs, but by ITs. Drunvalo's story is really unlike anything I have heard yet. And yet, I have no reason to not believe him.

Wow! Just Wow!


Drunvalo Melchizedek

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaRBryUMV8&feature=channel part 1


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_858888&v=oZsJrY1aW3g&feature=iv part 2

A nice interview: Good questions and Great answers.
Its about positive personal experience. The techniques he briefly mentions are familiar to me, they are yogic, apart from the merkaba.
It should become clear to everybody that you can't experience or verify these narrations without practising by yourself. That should be a calling...

I am still waiting to hear from people like shiva777 about his POSITIVE SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE with AD.
but i guess the only thing we will see is an intellectual debunking or AD advertisment thead.

truthseekerdan
11th December 2010, 03:25
About 25 minutes into Part 2 of the video interview with Lilouu, Drunvalo talks about star gates that are inside of all the stars, and says there is one inside the earth as well. Nassim Haramein says the same thing.

That's very true -- it is also known that human heart has also a "singularity point" that acts like a gate to connect with the Divine within. Just wanted to 'throw' this info here...:nod:

Snowbird
11th December 2010, 21:14
Back from work and continuing my viewing of these videos.
He just said something that resonates quite profoundly with me.
Memories are magnetic and need the earth's magnetic field to interact with. When russia fist sent astronauts into space they lost their memories and went mad ( check needed ).
So when the magnetic field around the earth breaks down we might all loose our memory.
the reason this resonates with me is because i believe in reincarnation to a degree but i could never figure out entirely why we couldn't remember past and future lives.
Afterall, it would be much more productive if we could remember our mistakes. ( there is a whole debate that could be centered on that statement so i won't go into it ). But if we leave earth or are not in contact with its magnetic field between lives it would explain the past/future life amnesia we all have.

If so, then why do so many here currently on earth have this recall ability? I don't and I would much prefer being able to remember.

VajraYaya
11th December 2010, 21:38
I have read, seen and heard a lot of stuff from this guy over the years and he has ALWAYS hit my BS and Creep-o-meters really hard. He has always struck me as being more than a little full of himself.

I don't think anybody knows the truth about this guy.

Victoria Tintagel
11th December 2010, 22:22
Hey Avaloneans, this is the link to a text from the second volume "The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life" about transition of dimensional levels. Through a poleshift experience.
VajraVaya:
I don't think anybody knows the truth about this guy. Hey VajraVaya, of course I value your opinion on Drunvalo, although I think it's based on a like/dislike of this teacher's person . Can you separate this from validating his work? It's not Drunvalo himself that is important here, it's what he stands for. You may believe me, or not, I have seen what he stands for and I witnessed his creation of a medicine wheel, in 1997, during the Earth&Sky workshop. What struck me and moved me to tears, was his gentleness and humble way of choosing and placing the stones and artifacts for the wheel. It was amazingly beautiful to look at and I had to force myself to go back to the kitchen, to prepare food.
Otherwise I think we would have had charcoaled dinner :) Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8118-Are-you-afraid-to-die/page14

onawah
11th December 2010, 23:42
I appreciate hearing from Tintagelcave and others who have had direct experience with Drunvalo. I like his manner a lot, and his info about sacred geometry rings true for me, but like others on this thread, I cannot help but wonder why we haven't seen anyone else making the same assertions or corroborating his claims.
I think he is prone to exaggeration, and many of his assertions I think cannot be proven, and that he isn't really sure they are true himself.
Granted, he is not a scientist, but he would be a lot more believable and credible if he devoted more time to backing up his claims with some real evidence.

lightblue
11th December 2010, 23:55
I appreciate hearing from Tintagelccave and others who have had direct experience with Drunvalo. I like his manner a lot, and his info about sacred geometry rings true for me, but like others on this thread, I cannot help but wonder why we haven't seen anyone else making the same assertions or corroborating his claims.
I think he i is prone to exaggeration, and many of his assertions I think cannot be proven.
Granted, he is not a scientist, but he would be a lot more believable and credible is he devoted more time to backing up his claims with some real evidence.

there can't be a scientific evidence for what one experiences during meditation...what he talks about is his understanding of what the future holds gained through meditative efforts....he's not after convincing anybody his vision is correct...he talks about it because he's asked...i have not read any of his books but he strikes me as a spiritual person with integrity... :yu: l

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onawah
12th December 2010, 00:28
I'm not referring to meditation. I'm referring to topics like the Super Kids, the ITs, the measurements of the accelerating shift, and other subjects of scientific study, for which he never gives enough information so that we can check other sources for corroboration, or fill out the picture. He talks about NASA and this scientific study and that study, but there are seldom any links provided or anything like that so that we can learn more or check the facts. His fans and followers just take his word for everything, presumably, but not everyone is or even should be a fan or a follower. Taking such radical assertions on blind faith alone is not something I am comfortable doing, though I would certainly like to feel it's safe to believe what he says on so many subjects.

lightblue
12th December 2010, 00:47
I'm not referring to meditation. I'm referring to topics like the Super Kids, the ITs, the measurements of the accelerating shift, and other subjects of scientific study, for which he never gives enough information so that we can check other sources for corroboration, or fill out the picture. He talks about NASA and this scientific study and that study, but there are seldom any links provided or anything like that so that we can learn more or check the facts. His fans and followers just take his word for everything, presumably, but not everyone is or even should be a fan or a follower. Taking such radical assertions on blind faith alone is not something I am comfortable doing, though I would certainly like to feel it's safe to believe what he says on so many subjects.


it's healthy to take things with a grain of salt ..though i am always happy to hear about what tallies up with my own experiences....:yu: l

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Snowbird
12th December 2010, 02:42
I'm not referring to meditation. I'm referring to topics like the Super Kids, the ITs, the measurements of the accelerating shift, and other subjects of scientific study, for which he never gives enough information so that we can check other sources for corroboration, or fill out the picture. He talks about NASA and this scientific study and that study, but there are seldom any links provided or anything like that so that we can learn more or check the facts. His fans and followers just take his word for everything, presumably, but not everyone is or even should be a fan or a follower. Taking such radical assertions on blind faith alone is not something I am comfortable doing, though I would certainly like to feel it's safe to believe what he says on so many subjects.

onawah, I don't have much experience with DM, but I am sure that because he has had so many thousands of other-worldly experiences, if he was pressed for proof, I am sure that he could offer proof for a percentage of his experiences.

For example, the trip to the inner earth to the Intraterrestrials. DM lead that trip and had 99 other people who went with him. He isn't alone when he takes these excursions into other worlds. Many times, he is surrounded by indigenous tribes-people. There exist many others who can verify what he states.

I think that it is simply that so many of us have not had the opportunity and/or the training to accomplish some of these higher vibrational experiences. It is difficult for some of us to comprehend. When DM was explaining those trips to inner earth, I got to a point where I simply essentially stopped listening because his description was so over my head. I imagine that he and many others, have had quite a number of those over-my-head experiences.

onawah
12th December 2010, 05:24
I've had some pretty high vibrational experiences myself, so I don't have that much of a problem with imagining what he's talking about with those out of the body trips, etc., but again, that's not what I'm referring to. As I wrote in my last post:
"subjects of scientific study, for which he never gives enough information so that we can check other sources for corroboration, or fill out the picture. He talks about NASA and this scientific study and that study, but there are seldom any links provided or anything like that so that we can learn more or check the facts."

He seems to be concerned about sharing his information primarily with his inner circle. What I like about people like Bob Dean, Richard Hoagland, Steven Greer, etc. is that they do their best to share as much as they can with as many people as possible, and provide as much verifiable evidence of their findings as they can. They seem to appreciate the feelings that many of have of having been deceived so much in the past that we don't want to be asked to accept anything on faith.

I appreciate that Drunvalo is in a different category, but I think he could cross over and reach a lot more people if he really wanted to. To me, that is part of the problem with the whole alternative community. There are still too many separate camps, and they are in competition with each other, in a way, which really doesn't serve our collective purposes.

fifi
12th December 2010, 06:36
Maybe because Drunvalo has switched from right brain(mind, logic, reason) to left brain(heart, intuition, art), and maybe as lightblue said


he's not after convincing anybody his vision is correct...he talks about it because he's asked...

Tigger
12th December 2010, 06:51
...from right brain(mind, logic, reason) to left brain(heart, intuition, art)
ummm, isn't it the other way around? :bounce:

Victoria Tintagel
12th December 2010, 08:55
fifi:
right brain(mind, logic, reason) to left brain(heart, intuition
tigger:
ummm, isn't it the other way around?

Yes tigger, I think so :) Thanks very much, fifi, for your appreciation. Be at peace, your brain works fine :)
Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

thinwhitejimmy
12th December 2010, 10:06
has this guy done acid before? thats all i really need to know at this point, hes not very different from icke.. i dig it.

Elandiel BernElve
12th December 2010, 11:58
thinwhitejimmy what's that got to do with it?

KosmicKat
12th December 2010, 13:49
Words I keep coming back to;
What is true for you is true for you. If it isn't true for you, leave it and move on. Some of the things quoted have resonated with things that I have been taught in the course of my journey; our Creator is infinite. Everything we think of as creation exists within our creator. Whether something is "good" or "bad" according to my morals, it is as much a part of me as I am of it. When I hate, I hate myself. When I love, I love myself and all creation and our creator. Death is a necessary stage, if we remain in the physical form indefinitely our progress will be hindered.
All that [David Bowman] really was is still a part of me. and what comes next?
Something wonderful!

onawah
12th December 2010, 15:19
Re: Drunvalo Melchizedek

" Maybe because Drunvalo has switched from right brain(mind, logic, reason) to left brain(heart, intuition, art), and maybe as lightblue said

he's not after convincing anybody his vision is correct...he talks about it because he's asked..."

Whether or not he's trying to convince people, I just think that he could be more in service to others if he would provide more verification, which could lead to more dissemination of information that could be inspirational and of use to others. It's as much a question of courtesy as anything else. If he's too busy to do that, perhaps someone who works with him could do it. He has a large following and must have some staff working with him. I think it would be a very good service to the alternative community as a whole. Just a few links to articles or names of books or studies or whatever, so those who are really interested could follow up and learn more about what he's talking about.
It seems to me that's quite a reasonable request.

onawah
12th December 2010, 15:53
I posted this on the thread Re: How do we know when a source or a person is a hoaxer

"This thread is related to what is going on in the thread on Drunvalo.
I don't know why it has been so difficult to explain why I would like for Drunvalo to provide some verification regarding what he says about scientific studies he refers to in his talks. For example, studies done in China on kids with super powers, NASA and other scientists studies on the pole shift, etc.
I understand why there can be no verification about what he and his students experience when they go astral traveling, but I just think that anyone who expects to be taken seriously should provide some facts and figures when it comes to science.
I really like Drunvalo personally, and I don't think he's a hoaxer, but I think he's human and can make mistakes, and can be prone to exaggeration or unintentional misrepresentation.
And I think he could extend more courtesy to those who find his work of interest but are not believing anything and everything on faith.
It's not really a fine line between science and intuition--but we are trying to bridge that gap in these kinds of forums, and so anything that can be done to make that work easier and less time consuming is of value.
I would like very much to be able to know more about Drunvalo's work and to see his work verified and therefore, made more credible. I like where he's going, but I think it would help him get there if he would get on the same page with other people in the field, and help us all to connect more of the dots. "

lightblue
12th December 2010, 15:54
" Maybe because Drunvalo has switched from right brain(mind, logic, reason) to left brain(heart, intuition, art),


not that it matters as much in this thread, but it is the other way around - left side is responsible for logic, lateral thinking etc..the right does creativity etc..:yu: l


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Victoria Tintagel
12th December 2010, 16:07
thinwhitejimmy
has this guy done acid before? thats all i really need to know at this point, hes not very different from icke.. i dig it.
I wonder why you ask about Drunvalo having done acid. I immediately burst into laughing at the thought of it, not at you :) thinwhitejimmy. Drunvalo has "walked in" with full blown
consciousness and remembrance of his existence as a soul. He doesn't need acid, I know what that stuff does, and I guess he would say, when on it "Hmmmm, interesting!" That's all :)

Onawah:
Whether or not he's trying to convince people, I just think that he could be more in service to others if he would provide more verification, which could lead to more dissemination of information that could be inspirational and of use to others. It's as much a question of courtesy as anything else. If he's too busy to do that, perhaps someone who works with him could do it.

Thanks for your honest post, Onawah. I am honestly amazed by your opinion on his lack of information or naming of sources, etc. I've never found a problem with that and I am myself quite thorough and precise in naming backgrounds and sources. Explaining more then necessary. Throw a "gulden" in and receive a "rijksdaalder" as it's called in Dutch :) I always love to be as clear as possible and give details. The 2 books on the FOL and the construction of his workshops are backed up with naming of sources and examples, witnesses and even updates are frequently added. When questions arise and lack of sources are noticed, there's always a possibility to ask, the service is impeccable and communications through www.spiritofmaat.com and www.drunvalo.net are clear and accurately handled. The spiritofmaat site has a shop with all materials Drunvalo offers, DVD's, books, etc. Life Light Rings of Slim Spurling too, a longtime friend of Dru. I know quite some people who "follow" Dru, never heard any complaint referring to lack of information. Dru calls himself a teacher and refuses a position as a well known figure on stage, on a pedestall. That's why he isn't in the spotlights that much, you see? In company he is as boyish as grandfatherly, a great laugh too. Many people who meet him for the first time, in person, do shed a tear cause they are so touched by his great heart and soul. I've been in experiences with Dru, which are amazing and I am deeply touched by them, honestly. I am not defending Dru at all, his Light touches the darkness in people too, there is no other way. No offense, Onawah, we have exchanged quite some PM's and I know your intentions, I think, you are pretty much shining your Light :) thank you!
Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

onawah
12th December 2010, 17:12
Thanks Tint.
Yes, you are right--I do think Drunvalo is quite inspiring and genuine. I am not seeking to debunk him, but to find (and to share) more that gives him credibility.
I have been watching his videos on the Net and reading articles on SpiritofMaat for years, have visited www.drunvalo.net on occasion, but haven't bought any of his books, attended any workshops etc. I'm thinking the verification of info is more available to his followers and buyers of his products. Which is frustrating, because I think he would find a wider audience if this was not so, and I think that would be a good thing.
And from what I have personally seen, speaking as someone who is not a follower per se, but is definitely interested in what he has to say, I haven't seen a lot in the way of verification of the scientific studies he has mentioned.
Can you provide any?
I am interested in what he said in the videos you posted of his interview with Lilou, such as the grid around the earth which mankind has created. He mentions scientists who have studied it. Who are they, are they any links about their work that can be provided?
Also any additional info about the show he mentioned that was on TV for a short while where much scientific info of that nature was provided and then cut off by TPTB.
Any current info about the super kids from Chinese sources or anyone else besides Drunvalo himself--not Indigos or Crystals, but the ones who walk through walls, etc.( I read his articles on Super kids on SpiritofMaat when they came out some years ago, but haven't seen anything current).
Studies on changes in DNA that he referenced in his talks?
Anything of this nature??
Thanks!

onawah
12th December 2010, 17:18
PS I did send an email to drunvalo.net and asked why Don Alejandro's organization was saying that Drunvalo was not a spokesperson for the Don, but never received a reply.
In one of his videos, Drunvalo said basically that Don A. had said that when the poles shift, the layer under earth's crust will become liquid and this will cause massive devastation, and all organic life will be destroyed, but that some humans will survive this, though how they would live if all other organic life was destroyed was not explained. Drunvalo seemed to concur with this, and I wrote and asked if he would elaborate but received no reply.
Any info on this?

shiva777
12th December 2010, 18:12
Drunvalo has been PROVEN to put alot of FALSE and very dubious "scientific facts" together to try to convince people that his theories are right...I have provided just a few examples in earlier posts in this thread....THINK ABOUT IT<INVESTIGATE IT.if NASA really had the "facts" that Drunvalo claims they have they would not be doing what they are doing now...he has been PROVEN to give false "facts" to get escapist new-agers to buy in to his theories and work

much of what he claims as fact can not be verified...please be honest with yourselves and compare his "facts" and theories with other people who you resonate with and other people who can give proven scientific facts...also notice how he is the only person out there saying we have been ready for a "rapture" type event since 2007 and that window stays open till 2015"...I'm sure many people who resonate with Drunvalo's teachings also resonate with people who say the "rapture" will ONLY happen at the end of 2012 or like George Kavassilas on march 2013etc....are there any other spiritual teachers claiming we have reached the mass conciousness level where we can "ascend" as a race into a blissful reality now and have been able to for over 3 years already?..if there are there will be very few and they will probably be Drunvalo's followers....

Very few people who are in touch with their Higher Guidance claim anything like that and realise that there is MUCH work to be done before we can purify the mass conciousness and the earth's grids to manifest a harmonious reality...that is VERY obvious to me ,just be honest with yourselvces before you buy oin to or promote Drunvalo's work

There is good reason why almost no spiritual teachers give Drunvalo credibilty and very few "elders" of other cultures take him seriously as well...just the ones who have been cultivated to follow the DARK agenda that Drunvalo has with his astral "heart" journeys and missions...it is hard for many to realise that there have been agendas here for 100,000's of years and many ancient cultures have been just as distorted and twisted as our more modern cultures and religions have been in to promoting and following agendas that seem very "light" on the surface but are in fact traps to lead peopole in to seemingly "higher states of conciousness" that are REALLY just prettier cages that are harder to get out of....

There are very few Tribal Elders who agree with what Drunvalo is doing and many know THAT WHAT HE IS DOING IS not GOOD FOR THE PLANET AND HUMANITY

People easily get sucked in to the "bliss" and visions of the astral Heart experiences ,they seem very convincing but they are often very deceptive traps...if you followed George Kavassilas you will see that he fully believes the many ASTRAL heart experiences he has had ,as is the case with literally 100's of other new-agey "peacher,teacher" types

Again,this will be over many peoples heads but at least investigate the many "facts" that he gives out and see how they are PROVEN to be false...many people will bypass true investigation and compaing drunvalos work to others they resonate with because they REALLY want to believe we will be saved from ourselves any moment now and there really is nothing to do except go "in to the heart"(The astral one...lol)....Truth is there is much work to be done and much purification is going to take place in the years to come...ready or not...it's pretty obvious that a major cleansing has begun and purifivcation of the body.emotions,mind and heart and spirit will become ESSENTIAL...yeah,I know that's not escapist but that's reality,deal with it

lightblue
12th December 2010, 18:18
shiva777
much of what he claims as fact can not be verified...please be honest with yourselves and compare his "facts" and theories with other people who you resonate with and other people who can give proven scientific facts...also notice how he is the only person out there saying we have been ready for a "rapture" type event since 2007 and that window stays open till 2015"...I'm sure many people who resonate with Drunvalo's teachings also resonate with people who say the "rapture" will ONLY happen at the end of 2012 etc....are there any other spiritual teachers claiming we have reached the mass conciousness level where we can "ascend" as a race into a blissful reality now and have been able to for over 3 years already?..if there are there will be very few and they will probably be Drunvalo's followers....


can anything be verified in the examples of lisa rene's and ashayanna deane - the ones you so warmly recommend to everyone here? thanks :yu: l

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shiva777
12th December 2010, 18:34
yes,much of the new physics JUST NOW being discovered has been taught by Ashayana and Lisa for many years now...many new quantum physics discoveries,scalar mechanics,brain wave manipulation techniques etc,etc...show me one sceintific fact in Ashayana's and Lisa's work that has been proven to be false and put it in threads relevant to them...

Many people will now attack Lisa and AD because they don't want to deal with Drunvalo...lol...

but this thread is about Drunvalo and you have just proven the fact that many new-agers can't deal DIRECTLY with things...this thread is about Drunavlo and what I have written is specifically about Drunavlo and I have said all I have to say ,these debates can go on and on and they are just a waste of energy in most cases as people REALLY don't want to find out that these "rapture" preachers are misleading them so they are not capable of true DISCERNMENT...so I'm not going to waste my energy in this thread,it's up to you

bashi
12th December 2010, 18:42
shiva777


can anything be verified in the examples of lisa rene's and ashayanna deane - the ones you so warmly recommend to everyone here? thanks :yu: l

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No, not as i know. these are completely unprovable theories.
Her charka model is unknown to any other spiritual system in the world. But of course, these are all part of the deception matrix… ;)
Only AD is not; she and her followers know everything… , just like Jehovah's witness

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please stay out shiva777. dont waste our time reading your debunk-conjecture

shiva777
12th December 2010, 20:11
one last post...lol...some things to think about regarding Drunvalo...

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2732

timerty
12th December 2010, 20:26
Miriam Delicado also claimed in her Camelot video that Drunvalo does not represent the Native Americans.

lightblue
12th December 2010, 21:14
Miriam Delicado also claimed in her Camelot video that Drunvalo does not represent the Native Americans.

from what i've heard and read about delicado - she seems to believe that she herself is a representative of the native american peoples... currenly she is on the "great gathering" mission i.e. overseeing the grand meeting of various indigenous groups of americas...

couldn't her remark be an expression of vanity.... personally, i don't think delicado came up with any noteworthy information..her own experiences are interesting but are of almost exclusively personal value... :wink: l

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Snowbird
12th December 2010, 21:23
I posted this on the thread Re: How do we know when a source or a person is a hoaxer

"This thread is related to what is going on in the thread on Drunvalo.
I don't know why it has been so difficult to explain why I would like for Drunvalo to provide some verification regarding what he says about scientific studies he refers to in his talks. For example, studies done in China on kids with super powers, NASA and other scientists studies on the pole shift, etc.
I understand why there can be no verification about what he and his students experience when they go astral traveling, but I just think that anyone who expects to be taken seriously should provide some facts and figures when it comes to science."

One of the reasons could well be that this scientific information is so readily available out on the net, below, that there is no need for him to spend the time to prove what is said.

Indigo Children - The Super Psychic Children

Within the 89,000 FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) documents released about the CIA Remote Viewing program collectively called Star Gate, there are a few Intel reports covering a fifteen year period from China. These reports detail the collection and nurturing of the country’s top children intuitives and the amazing experiments and results they ‘allegedly’ achieved.

A report detailing the 1979 research states:

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2010/11/the-real-story-behind-indigo-children/

Indigo children - part II

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2010/11/indigo-children-part-ii/

onawah
12th December 2010, 21:35
One of the reasons could well be that this scientific information is so readily available out on the net, below, that there is no need for him to spend the time to prove what is said.

Indigo Children - The Super Psychic Children

Within the 89,000 FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) documents released about the CIA Remote Viewing program collectively called Star Gate, there are a few Intel reports covering a fifteen year period from China. These reports detail the collection and nurturing of the country’s top children intuitives and the amazing experiments and results they ‘allegedly’ achieved.

A report detailing the 1979 research states:

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2010/11/the-real-story-behind-indigo-children/

Indigo children - part II

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2010/11/indigo-children-part-ii/

As I wrote in my post: "any current info about the super kids from Chinese sources or anyone else besides Drunvalo himself--not Indigos or Crystals, but the ones who walk through walls, etc."

fifi
12th December 2010, 21:46
...from right brain(mind, logic, reason) to left brain(heart, intuition, art)
ummm, isn't it the other way around?

Tigger, you are right. I got mixed up. The left brain represents the male component (logic, reason), and the right brain represents the female part (intuition, art).

Extract from Drunvalo's biograhy (in his first two books, the Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life, Volume I and II.)

"I majored in physics and minored in mathematics at the University of California at Berkeley until I was just about to receive my diploma. I only needed one more quarter to graduate. I decided I didn’t want the degree because I discovered something about physicists themselves that turned me off to the idea of becoming involved in a science that I realized was no science at all. This in itself could be a book, but the ‘why’ of it is related to the same subject that we talk about with archeologists. Physicists, just like archeologists, will turn their heads to the Truth if it means too much of a change too fast. Perhaps the real truth is that this is human nature.

So I switched to the other side of my brain and started majoring in fine arts. My counselors thought I was nuts. “You’re going to give up a physics degree?” they asked. But I didn’t need it, didn’t want it. Then to graduate I had to go for two more years majoring in fine arts. Finally, I was in my last quarter before getting my degree in fine arts, thinking “I don’t know if I can do this. I’m so tired. I just can hardly handle this.”

Then Kent State happened. The whole school system across the United States closed down, and they gave all the students straight Bs and let them go. So I got my fine arts degree without having to finish the last little bit.

My changing majors makes sense now, because when you study the ancient writings, you find out that the people of the time perceived art, science and religion as being interwoven, interconnected. So the programming that I was putting myself through was appropriate for what I’m doing now."

PathWalker
12th December 2010, 22:27
I believe Drunvalo with all my heart. More then that I feel him.
The energy is strong and empowering. Unlike other teachers.

The debate or true or false is meaningless. The student/seeker/pathwalker need to connect to his guidance. The teachers are just another tool/service we receive from the guidance.

ann444
12th December 2010, 22:28
If you do a search for Drunvalo, you will find plenty of negative as well as positive comments. I've read an article on the educate yourself website where it was claimed that Drunvalo was seen at a meeting of Illuminati members. He's also been accused of working for the CIA; Bob Dratch, a scientist who works with whales and dolphins, quit his association with Drunvalo because he felt DM's teaching were harmful. The Flower of Life organization, orginaly started by DM, was taken over by Lyssa Royal and her spouse when, it seems, Drunvalo was too sexually involved with the participants.
My own experience is that I was exposed to the flower of life information about 12 years ago. I bought all Drunvalo's videos and studied them. I became efficient at doing the Merkaba meditation. Indeed, there is an advanced step he gives which put me in a state where I experienced my energy body as a tube torus (once). I attended a workshop in Wheaton, Md. about 10 years ago for a pretty price, but there was little content to the workshop. By that time DM was married to Collette, whom I understand is a therapist, and he seemed to be trying to do therapy in his workshop rather than teaching the merkaba and the practical use of sacred geometry. At this seminar DM was making big claims of how he healed large bodies of water using the merkaba. I met some women at this conference who had attended several of DM's seminars where he attempted to heal large bodies of water and they told me his claims were highly exaggerated. If it was working as he claimed, then why, 10 years later, do we still have a problem with water pollution? Surely the merkaba could have been helpful with the gulf oil spill. These were women who were still deciples of DM, but didn't feel his claims were realistic. There were two totally devoted deciples dressed in purple saris sitting on his right and left. This was a turn off for me. He did seem, however, to be very loving. On my way home from that seminar, I was stopped at a red light and in front of me was a car with a license plate that read 444, behind me was a car with a tag that read 555, and when I turned the corner, I was behind a car with a tag that read 777. I took that as an affirming sign.
I've read and enjoyed all of Drunvalo's books. He states in one of his books that one doesn't have to do the merkaba, that all one has to do is come from the heart. That made me wonder why I spent so much money on videos, books and seminar (one had to pay to be supervised in doing the merkaba meditation before attending the seminar plus pay for the seminar, of course.) I stopped doing the merkaba meditation because it became too controversial and after all, Drunvalo said it wasn't necessary.
It also concerns me that Drunvalo's guide is Thoth, an entity whom Alistar Crowley was apparently in touch with.
Stan Tenon, of the Meru Foundation, has accused DM of plagiarism.

PathWalker
12th December 2010, 22:44
Greetings ann444,

I read your post I understand that you expect teachers, masters and enlighted people to change the world. Using their skills and mastery over matter (sidha).
The point is when a person is evolved beyond polarity they accept that every thing is part of the master plan and is perfect. The suffering, brutality, evil all is part of life and as such need to be expressed and mastered. For example watch the Dalai-Lama that is flooded with suffering and sorrow.

Drunvalo as well went an evolution: 1. right brain male 2. left brain male. 3. living in the heart.
When you learn to live in the heart. The reality perception changes.

Love
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

Snowbird
12th December 2010, 23:00
As I wrote in my post: "any current info about the super kids from Chinese sources or anyone else besides Drunvalo himself--not Indigos or Crystals, but the ones who walk through walls, etc."

onawah, I call friendly truce with apologies. :nod: I get side-tracked when I am researching. Your concern is valid and your questions are reasonable and, deserve answers. :yes4:

Snowbird
12th December 2010, 23:05
As I have been researching these kids, I ran across this article that describes the abilities of some of these kids who are found in countries around the world. This is really fascinating.

Super Psychic Kids

http://www.articlesbase.com/self-improvement-articles/super-psychic-kids-287696.html

timerty
12th December 2010, 23:36
from what i've heard and read about delicado - she seems to believe that she herself is a representative of the native american peoples... currenly she is on the "great gathering" mission i.e. overseeing the grand meeting of various indigenous groups of americas...

couldn't her remark be an expression of vanity.... personally, i don't think delicado came up with any noteworthy information..her own experiences are interesting but are of almost exclusively personal value... :wink: l

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No, you heard and read wrongly. She has always said to listen to the Native Americans themselves for their teachings and not listen to anyone else. Maybe she is the messenger for the tall blond aliens.

onawah
13th December 2010, 00:29
As I have been researching these kids, I ran across this article that describes the abilities of some of these kids who are found in countries around the world. This is really fascinating.
Super Psychic Kids
http://www.articlesbase.com/self-improvement-articles/super-psychic-kids-287696.html

Very interesting, Snowbird. Thanks. But again, there are no studies sited except in very general terms--no dates given, even for the newspaper article, no links or trails that could be followed to find the sources.
It's not that I only believe information that has been scientifically verified, or published in a reputable news source, or journalist, etc. etc.-- but it really does help us to know where the information is actually coming from so it can be verified, compared and shared with others without the usual backlash of skepticism, and then expanded upon when enough interest is sparked.
Got any more?

Victoria Tintagel
13th December 2010, 13:37
Hey Onawah, thanks for explaining your point of view. By the way, I didn't post the videos with his interview with Lilou, snowbird did. And presenting evidence of things you ask me is simply to much, I don't have the time to do that now. It's Drunvalo's responsibility in fact, or the team of Spirit of Maat. You can try to address Cal Garrison by the way, she is part of that team. The material I posted in this thread here, is all I have to share and can be shared here technically.


I am interested in what he said in the videos you posted of his interview with Lilou, such as the grid around the earth which mankind has created
What I know, Onawah, is that as long as life exists on Earth, there's a consciousness grid connected to those living beings: men, animals, plants, rocks, the earth herself. What I understand about the collective consciousness grid, that is present around the planet, cause we are present, is that it's called the Akashic Records.

I really think you should start reading the FOL books, Onawah, if you want to know where Drunvalo is coming from. Those books are the basics really and Drunvalo added updates through the years. Or see the FOL videos from the FOL workshop. All the work of Drunvalo is staged in phases, starting in the eighties. After he presented the FOL workshop, addressing the left brain, the male aspect, because at that time that was the dominant presence on Earth, he was reminded by women to balance this with the right brain approach.

So he presented the Earth & Sky workshop. Which I attended too. I am convinced that everybody finds his/her own teachers and for me, Dru is one of the most valuable ones as well as a great friend. Activating my MerKaBah and finding more treasures on the way too, since 1996, has been of much value to me. Hasn't done me any harm :) I always love to step out of every box I find myself in, a gipsy kind of nature I guess. You attract the teacher you need, this can be the garbage men in your street, gathering the dustbins, greeting you in a bright mood, reminding you of the value of kindness.

To me it's not very important if a teacher or guru is charming or publicly known. It's more important to me, what those teachings do to me and if I feel they hold value for me. The most wild and maverick teachers, excentric and weird, can teach me as much as the most soft loving balanced Indian guru that shares hugs. It all depends which life lesson I need and when. Love isn't all romance and sweet, moonlight and roses......although it still is love, very much so :) I've experienced that this year. That's why I wrote some time ago, here in a post, that love has so many expressions and faces. And so do teachers, I guess. Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

onawah
13th December 2010, 16:53
Thanks Tint.
I have probably read about as much of Drunvalo's material as anyone can on the Internet, and I think I've watched all the videos, but I really don't have the money to buy any of Drunvalo's products.

I'm not looking for a guru, I just think it's important that there be FACTS provided to anyone who has access to the Internet about things like the new grid, the super kids, the pole shift, etc. It may very well be that what Drunvalo is saying is all true, and I FEEL that much of it is, but unless we have facts to back up his asssertions, (as with all assertions, whatever their source) we cannot really be very sure

One of the things that I really like about Project Avalon and Camelot is that they encourage readers to question, explore, and provide FACTS wherever possible. I think that's SO important.

As I said, I did email Ddrunvalo's staff with questions, but never received an answer.
I have no doubt that if I did get an answer, I would be advised to buy the books or the videos or whatever, and told they just don't have time to answer all the many questions that are sent to them...

A better marriage of the left and right brain approaches to information is very much needed in this alternative community, I think, if we are really going to be able to unite and work together more.

This isn't just about Drunvalo's material, obviously, but about all those who take a spiritual or intuitive approach to describing what is happening as we go through the Shift. There are a lot of different theories out there, and it can get very confusing and nebulous if there isn't any left brain logic and science to balance it all out.

greybeard
13th December 2010, 18:50
Thanks Tint.
I have probably read about as much of Drunvalo's material as anyone can on the Internet, and I think I've watched all the videos, but I really don't have the money to buy any of Drunvalo's products.

I'm not looking for a guru, I just think it's important that there be FACTS provided to anyone who has access to the Internet about things like the new grid, the super kids, the pole shift, etc. It may very well be that what Drunvalo is saying is all true, and I FEEL that much of it is, but unless we have facts to back up his asssertions, (as with all assertions, whatever their source) we cannot really be very sure

One of the things that I really like about Project Avalon and Camelot is that they encourage readers to question, explore, and provide FACTS wherever possible. I think that's SO important.

As I said, I did email Ddrunvalo's staff with questions, but never received an answer.
I have no doubt that if I did get an answer, I would be advised to buy the books or the videos or whatever, and told they just don't have time to answer all the many questions that are sent to them...

A better marriage of the left and right brain approaches to information is very much needed in this alternative community, I think, if we are really going to be able to unite and work together more.

This isn't just about Drunvalo's material, obviously, but about all those who take a spiritual or intuitive approach to describing what is happening as we go through the Shift. There are a lot of different theories out there, and it can get very confusing and nebulous if there isn't any left brain logic and science to balance it all out.

Dear onawah
I share your sentiments.
Dr Hawkins in the book "Power Vs Force" claims that there is an accurate way to tell truth from falsehood.
I have no opinion on that statement but have found books by him to be full of information that is of the highest value to me personally.
Certainly for the genuine truth seeker it, the claim, is worthy of full and open investigation.
His claim certainly seems to be valid and has years of research by teams of investigators behind it.
I have put the link to his publisher here.
Chris

http://www.veritaspub.com/

greybeard
13th December 2010, 19:19
Dear onawah
I share your sentiments.
Dr Hawkins in the book "Power Vs Force" claims that there is an accurate way to tell truth from falsehood.
I have no opinion on that statement but have found books by him to be full of information that is of the highest value to me personally.
Certainly for the genuine truth seeker it, the claim, is worthy of full and open investigation.
His claim certainly seems to be valid and has years of research by teams of investigators behind it.
I have put the link to his publisher here.
Chris

http://www.veritaspub.com/

Ps Like you I have watched Drunaval videos and would like to believe what he teaches also "little grandmother" videos.
Future is unknown but there is great potential in this era.
c

PPs Dear Mods cant edit posts at moment, seem a technical point

shiva777
13th December 2010, 20:23
Shouldn't this be in the channeling section?

Drunvalo's info comes largely as channeled info form a fallen being called "thoth" ..the same one aleister crowley got his info from...and info ripped off from other channelers

Moderators please be consistent and post this in the channeling forum

onawah
13th December 2010, 20:39
Hi Greybeard, I've read Power Vs Force and know a lot of dowsers who use muscle testing and dowsing tools for verification. But I've never had much success with dowsing myself (and I find that answers for a particular question will vary from dowser to dowser), and muscle testing is good as long as your arm doesn't get tired! :lol:
But I just don't feel as drawn to these methods or the theory in P vs F so much. Personally, I am more interested in just the feeling of KNOWING when something is right or wrong.
And my issue with Drunvalo is not so much whether he's right or wrong as it is that I think we all need to be backing up the info we share with each other as much as possible with facts and sources and people who are drawing similar conclusions. Otherwise, it's very difficult to draw any conclusions at all and wastes a lot of everybody's time scrabbling around trying to get more info. There's just an enormous amount of unverified "maybe's" floating around, which gets to be very uncomfortable and makes the alternative community feel like a very ungrounded place to be.
If I have arrived at a feeling of knowing about something, I will present it as my particular take on that subject, but not as fact.
I feel unsure of people who present their take on something as fact. It feels like they are looking for followers, not to be one member of a community sharing their viewpoint, which is really different.
The latter are easy to identify, because they will often qualify what they say with "in my view" or "it seems to me" etc.
That feels a lot more comfortable to me.

greybeard
13th December 2010, 21:40
Hi Greybeard, I've read Power Vs Force and know a lot of dowsers who use muscle testing and dowsing tools for verification. But I've never had much success with dowsing myself (and I find that answers for a particular question will vary from dowser to dowser), and muscle testing is good as long as your arm doesn't get tired! :lol:
But I just don't feel as drawn to these methods or the theory in P vs F so much. Personally, I am more interested in just the feeling of KNOWING when something is right or wrong.
And my issue with Drunvalo is not so much whether he's right or wrong as it is that I think we all need to be backing up the info we share with each other as much as possible with facts and sources and people who are drawing similar conclusions. Otherwise, it's very difficult to draw any conclusions at all and wastes a lot of everybody's time scrabbling around trying to get more info. There's just an enormous amount of unverified "maybe's" floating around, which gets to be very uncomfortable and makes the alternative community feel like a very ungrounded place to be.
If I have arrived at a feeling of knowing about something, I will present it as my particular take on that subject, but not as fact.
I feel unsure of people who present their take on something as fact. It feels like they are looking for followers, not to be one member of a community sharing their viewpoint, which is really different.
The latter are easy to identify, because they will often qualify what they say with "in my view" or "it seems to me" etc.
That feels a lot more comfortable to me.

Hi onawah
For myself I am no interested in muscle testing and give Hawkins his due he states that the question must be integreous, no agenda on the part of the questioner and only about 15% of the population can accurately do it. It seems a step up from dowsing as it is not accessing the subconscious mind but the collective consciousness of all time. As said, I believe we are in exciting times with amazing possibilities for the human race and certainly the ancient prophecies which the Indians and others lay claim to may well be correct.
I agree to that it is safer to state that it may be so or that this is my point of view.
Future can only be spoken in terms of possibilities.
All that being said the message that comes from Drunvalo Melchizedek is positive as is the one from "Little Grandmother"
Regards Chris

cloud9
13th December 2010, 21:54
It's almost amusing to see how every single time a teacher's name, lecturer, researcher, author, etc appears there are a few people so eager to destroy reputations as if they were paid for it.

Isn't just easier to listen to everyone and make our own minds without trying to influence everybody else towards what we believe is "the truth"?

I believe "the truth" doesn't exist, every soul in this universe has his "truth" which at the end of the day is their "opinion" or belief.

Why do we try so hard to destroy people?

Shiva's links are just gossip, hearsay... nothing of substance. Can somebody really give testimony about Drunvalo's wrongs? Because if they can't, please keep your opinions private.

I'm getting tired of the same tirade about everybody who is sharing ideas, research, knowledge or just another way to see the world, at least they are doing something different that the rest of us who are just passively listening.

onawah
13th December 2010, 22:34
Chris wrote: "All that being said the message that comes from Drunvalo Melchizedek is positive as is the one from "Little Grandmother""
I agree.
And I hope that Cloud 9 is not including me in the group that he/she thinks just wants to destroy reputations.
On the contrary, I would very much like to see more of Drunvalo's info, and his rep improved, and I think it would help a lot if he would broaden his audience to more discerning people by backing up his info with some more facts.

StephenW11UK
13th December 2010, 23:55
Thank you, tintagelcave, a fascinating interview. Some readers will probably be unaware of Regina's interview on ConsciousMediaNetwork with Drunvalo at http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/interviews/drunvalo.htm ...His close contacts with the Mayans and the Hopis in particular are what he is taliking about there.

cloud9
14th December 2010, 01:40
I'm sorry for the little rant before, it's just very discouraging to see that we behave in such a way when it comes to talking about people who I really think are doing some service for all of us, it seems we can't forgive the fact that they are just human beings as we all are.

I always wonder if the ones that so easily discredit and judge so harshly people like Dolores Cannon, Neale Donald Walsch, Drunvalo Melchizedek, even Little Grandmother, Steven Greer and many more, are doing something, making even the smallest contribution other than just criticizing ... and no, Onawah I don't include you in the group.

It's a small group (two or 3 people) that always has something... negative to say, actually it's not that they are skeptics, they're just negative about everything.

Well, I feel better now that I said it.

Beth
14th December 2010, 03:24
Shouldn't this be in the channeling section?

Drunvalo's info comes largely as channeled info form a fallen being called "thoth" ..the same one aleister crowley got his info from...and info ripped off from other channelers

Moderators please be consistent and post this in the channeling forum

Rick, us mods have lives and in our free time put a lot of work into this place. We also average hundreds of posts a day. So if you catch something that I miss, then either please report it or PM one of us. But do not condescend to me to be more "consistent." Thanks.

onawah
14th December 2010, 03:51
Thank you, tintagelcave, a fascinating interview. Some readers will probably be unaware of Regina's interview on ConsciousMediaNetwork with Drunvalo at http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/interviews/drunvalo.htm ...His close contacts with the Mayans and the Hopis in particular are what he is taliking about there.

You need to pay to subscribe to ConsciousMediaNetwork, unless you haven't already accessed the free 3 day introduction, which I have. Does anyone have a free link to this interview or is it on youtube?
Thanks.

Fredkc
14th December 2010, 03:52
Rick, us mods have lives and in our free time put a lot of work into this place.
Wait.... we get lives?

onawah
14th December 2010, 03:57
I'm sorry for the little rant before, it's just very discouraging to see that we behave in such a way when it comes to talking about people who I really think are doing some service for all of us, it seems we can't forgive the fact that they are just human beings as we all are.

I always wonder if the ones that so easily discredit and judge so harshly people like Dolores Cannon, Neale Donald Walsch, Drunvalo Melchizedek, even Little Grandmother, Steven Greer and many more, are doing something, making even the smallest contribution other than just criticizing ... and no, Onawah I don't include you in the group.

It's a small group (two or 3 people) that always has something... negative to say, actually it's not that they are skeptics, they're just negative about everything.

Well, I feel better now that I said it.

I know just how you feel!
I think constructive criticism can be quite positive, helpful and well...constructive, but badmouthing is a whole different thing.
I've found one easy thing to do to avoid the problem you describe here on PA, and perhaps you don't know about it. Since it is mostly just a small group of people who badmouth, :blah::mmph:you won't miss anything of value and it's very easy to just go to their profile pages and click on "Ignore". That way you don't even see their posts, unless someone quotes them in their own posts.
Ah, the wonders of technology!:thumb::biggrin1::lol:

onawah
14th December 2010, 04:07
PS Thanks to the Mods! You deserve lives too...

Lost Soul
14th December 2010, 04:27
Thank you one and all for your comments. I watched the video, read all your comments and decided to stay on my path.

atut
14th December 2010, 16:15
As the second interview, Drunvalo told that he went inside the earth with 99 people.
1. Where was his starting point for the journey to go inside the earth?
2. How did they go? Just by walking?
3. How it looks like inside the earth?
4. Why not they took the picture and share to the world?

ann444
14th December 2010, 16:40
"The point is when a person is evolved beyond polarity they accept that every thing is part of the master plan and is perfect. The suffering, brutality, evil all is part of life and as such need to be expressed and mastered."
Pathwalker, being present and accepting all things does not mean that one doesn't act. The point is that Drunvalo was teaching seminars to teach people how to use the merkaba to clean up polluted bodies of water, not to accept that the water was polluted and nothing need be done.

bashi
14th December 2010, 19:11
As the second interview, Drunvalo told that he went inside the earth with 99 people.
1. Where was his starting point for the journey to go inside the earth?
2. How did they go? Just by walking?
3. How it looks like inside the earth?
4. Why not they took the picture and share to the world?

see the vid...

cloud9
14th December 2010, 19:27
atut,
those were my questions too until I saw the video the second time and I understood the journey was made in meditation, that's why he says that 88 people had the same experience and 11 of them don't remember, also that's the reason there are no pictures, it seems these beings are not 3-dimensional or at least this contact wasn't in the physical state.

PathWalker
14th December 2010, 20:02
As the second interview, Drunvalo told that he went inside the earth with 99 people.
1. Where was his starting point for the journey to go inside the earth?
2. How did they go? Just by walking?
3. How it looks like inside the earth?
4. Why not they took the picture and share to the world?

1. They all meditated in the same room.
2. They went into trans, each had its personal trans. Inducing out of body experience. Also know as Astral journey.
3. I did not go there yet, I assume very dark, if there is no light source. Unless you get close to something so hot that emits light. But in astral journey you do not see with your senses, you see with your soul.
4. They did not plan the journey and therefore left their belonging behind (just joking). They took pictures in their mind. We do not have the technology to print them yet.

Release your dreams from the regional physics laws, then you will be learn how to fly.
Watch again the Matrix 1 movie. The part about learning what is the matrix and how it operates on us.

Joy and happiness
PathWalker

PathWalker
14th December 2010, 20:15
"The point is when a person is evolved beyond polarity they accept that every thing is part of the master plan and is perfect. The suffering, brutality, evil all is part of life and as such need to be expressed and mastered."
Pathwalker, being present and accepting all things does not mean that one doesn't act. The point is that Drunvalo was teaching seminars to teach people how to use the merkaba to clean up polluted bodies of water, not to accept that the water was polluted and nothing need be done.

Beloved ann444,

We are all experience life with all its challenges. Including Drunvalo, so he is human. As we (you and I) evolve our spiritual wisdom. So does Drunvalo.
I must commend him for progressing with his knowledge and view points. Something I cannot say about institutional religions.
He candidly speaks (not in this video) about error he made and mischiefs in his life. If you are seeking a super human kind of teacher, that is the guru styles in India.

Drunvalo is evolving before our eyes quickly and he show only one path. The path he is going. You are having yours, I have mine. If you get something useful from Drunvalo teaching be grateful. If you dislike the information or the style then it is not for you. Be grateful for the experience and the internal wisdom you have to let go, and progress on.
You can find many posts in this thread, of people who have very hard time letting go.

atut
15th December 2010, 01:59
Thanks cloud9 and PathWalker for answering my questions.

So I guess trance in meditated state (astral travel) is the same as remote viewing, because they use third eye and soul.

Victoria Tintagel
15th December 2010, 07:05
Snowbird:
If so, then why do so many here currently on earth have this recall ability? I don't and I would much prefer being able to remember.

Who knows what purpose it serves, to NOT have access to those memories, Snowbird? Ha...what devil you could have been in your past, maybe, hmmmmm? I am just kidding, full of beans this morning, Snowbird :)This "law of nature" could be for reasons of being emotionally prepared to know about them, I guess, to remember them without being to disturbed by them. Sometimes, after a severe trauma, people are blessed by a memory loss for some time. So they are able to heal first and remember later, in due time. Or never. In my experience, only the memories that serve my life and or benefit the evolvement of my life and other's lives are awakened. I believe, when you really long for those memories, Snowbird, you will find access to them. In energy-work, like aura-readings and aura-healings, access to past lives is possible. But only then, when relevant to the situation you find yourself in. It's of no use at all, to hear and know about all past lives, the rights and wrongs you have done, the details of them, when you cannot connect this to a present issue, to work things out or to understand certain experiences, or the meaning of a relationship. I am sure you will have access to certain memories you desire to remember, Snowbird. Ask specific questions and dream your answers, I am sure that will work for you.

I know of people who show off with their past lives or they refuse to take responsibility because they were hurt in past lives. That's living in the past, really, and one of the purposes of memory loss is, I think, to be able to be in the moment NOW and create your reality from scratch... if you will :) And enjoy the ride, see what it brings you and learn from it. Or not :) The choice is yours.
Anyway, I create this post now and I don't know how you Avaloneans will receive this post. That's part of the fun too: at the end of this day it will be a memory :) If I will be happy with that memory I don't know yet, that remains to be seen. But I am happy to post this reply to your question, Snowbird, which is a very intelligent one, cause if we were able to remember all of our past and accept it for what it is, the world would be a different place, I am sure of that. Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

Champion the Wonderhorse
22nd December 2010, 05:39
I attended the Flower of Life course back in '97 I think it was. And I have to say it was one of the most amazing, informative and spiritually enlightning experiences I've ever had. Added to the fact I met the most amazing people there. Someone lent me a powerful crystal and said I could keep it. But it totally freaked me out and I gave it back (but thats another story). At the time Drunvalo seemed to me to be a highly intelligent and very spiritual person and was full of a lot of information.

However I did start to have some misgivings, and tintagelcave you will have to excuse me here as our views may differ.

Activating the merkaba for me did not really resonate and I didn't feel comfortable with it. I got the impression of something dark and metalic. So I stopped using the 18 breath meditation.

I did not agree at all with some of his opinions, and I was getting the impression that he was trying to convey the Illuminati as a good thing.
He would mention the secret government a few times and his connection with the 'Great White Brotherhood'.

His website became subsription only which made me think he's only in it for the money.

He more or less praised George Bush senior for his role in the first Gulf War and how he managed to get nations together to go against Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were slaughtered in that totally one-sided turkey shoot war. I am ex-military myself and now I am against all war.
This is what confused me. On one hand he is teaching spiritual enlightenment and yet he would not even criticise this war!

He talked about some magnetic invention he was using and it cleaned all the water around a heavily polluted port. I'm not sure which. I think it may have been Boston. But I have not heard about this since.

There's also rumours about him being bad tempered and threatening to some people. So whats happened to the man?

I know I've been very negative about this, but this is just my opinion and impression about the man. I may well be wrong. We know there are white hats in place. Maybe he was in contact with them and just looks on the positive.
But to me he does not seem to be the same person. Watch the interview on Conscious Media Network with Regina and you'll see what I mean. And also there seems to be this rift between him and Miriam Delicado. Whats the story there?

lisa
22nd December 2010, 06:28
He more or less praised George Bush senior for his role in the first Gulf War and how he managed to get nations together to go against Iraq.

Where did you hear that? Hard to believe given the following story in "Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life (Vol II)" p.301:

"Thoth explained that in the summer of 1990, he and the rest of the ascended masters had decided that the consciousness of the Earth was about to reach a critical mass in January 1991 during the Egyptian window of January 10 through 19. He said that it would begin in August 1990, and at the following month the outcome would be determined. He said that the human population was still highly polarized, but that a special "moment" had arrived where great change could take place.

They saw that it was possible at this moment that we, the Earth, could become one in spirit and ascend to a higher level of consciousness exactly in the middle of the Egyptian window. Thoth made it clear that the ascended masters were not really sure what was going to happen. It depended on the hearts of the people of the Earth. The ascended masters had all decided to leave at once as a ball of living light, giving the Earth a tremendous burst into the new level of consciousness. Their leaving for a higher level of life was to be a decision for the good of all mankind.

However, when August 1990 came, Thoth said that the ascended masters were not sure if we were going to make the shift (at that time), and that there would not be another window of opportunity for some time. They held back on their plan to leave. Later in August, Iraq and her assistants were the only energy in the entire world to evade unity on an outer level. By September 1990 the world had declared war on Iraq. And on exactly January 15, 1991, the moment in the middle of the Egyptian window when the ascended masters were hoping that the world would come together, we came together as an entire planet, except for Iraq, to wage war instead of peace. We missed the opportunity for unity by only one nation. This unity, however, was not just nations, but primarily the people of the world.

Instead, we went to war on that day—January 15, 1991—and the Egyptian window of opportunity moved us deeper into the darkness instead of the light."

Champion the Wonderhorse
22nd December 2010, 13:55
Where did you hear that? Hard to believe given the following story in "Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life (Vol II)" p.301:

"Thoth explained that in the summer of 1990, he and the rest of the ascended masters had decided that the consciousness of the Earth was about to reach a critical mass in January 1991 during the Egyptian window of January 10 through 19. He said that it would begin in August 1990, and at the following month the outcome would be determined. He said that the human population was still highly polarized, but that a special "moment" had arrived where great change could take place.

They saw that it was possible at this moment that we, the Earth, could become one in spirit and ascend to a higher level of consciousness exactly in the middle of the Egyptian window. Thoth made it clear that the ascended masters were not really sure what was going to happen. It depended on the hearts of the people of the Earth. The ascended masters had all decided to leave at once as a ball of living light, giving the Earth a tremendous burst into the new level of consciousness. Their leaving for a higher level of life was to be a decision for the good of all mankind.

However, when August 1990 came, Thoth said that the ascended masters were not sure if we were going to make the shift (at that time), and that there would not be another window of opportunity for some time. They held back on their plan to leave. Later in August, Iraq and her assistants were the only energy in the entire world to evade unity on an outer level. By September 1990 the world had declared war on Iraq. And on exactly January 15, 1991, the moment in the middle of the Egyptian window when the ascended masters were hoping that the world would come together, we came together as an entire planet, except for Iraq, to wage war instead of peace. We missed the opportunity for unity by only one nation. This unity, however, was not just nations, but primarily the people of the world.

Instead, we went to war on that day—January 15, 1991—and the Egyptian window of opportunity moved us deeper into the darkness instead of the light."

When I attended the FOL course there was something like 20+ hours of Drunvalo speaking on video tape. So he may have worded it slightly differently than is written in the "Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life (Vol II)" Maybe I misinterpreted as " We all came together to create peace" But what he said and how he said still left a negative impression on me to this day.

But still reading the passage you posted I am not entirely comfortable with it. Particularly:
"Iraq and her assistants were the only energy in the entire world to evade unity on an outer level."
Making Iraq look like the bad guy in this is just not the case. I do not see how spirituality and politics come together here. The sanctions, the milllions of people dying. They are still suffering to this day. Thats the real tragedy.

With all the information we have now. The facts about the Bush administration (abuse, satanic rituals, sacrifices). Not for nothing were they called 'The Great Satan', the loans and weapons given to Saddam Hussein, tricked into believing the US would not get involved, and facts have now been disclosed that Kuwait was taking Iraqi oil.
All wars are manipulated and staged by TPTB (and Iraq was certainly manipulated here) as a sacrifice and lies are given to the public.
Maybe that should have been put in the book.

To me Drunvalo should never bring politics into it. Because its one of two things he is either being naive or he knows whats really going on (I think the latter).
But hey, this is just my opinion and impression about the man. Maybe I'm wrong, take what I say as you will. Just do some reseach from other sources and come to your own conclusions.

Victoria Tintagel
26th December 2010, 19:39
Champion the Wonderhorse:
I attended the Flower of Life course back in '97 I think it was. And I have to say it was one of the most amazing, informative and spiritually enlightning experiences I've ever had. Added to the fact I met the most amazing people there. Someone lent me a powerful crystal and said I could keep it. But it totally freaked me out and I gave it back (but thats another story). At the time Drunvalo seemed to me to be a highly intelligent and very spiritual person and was full of a lot of information.

Thank you Champion the Wonderhorse, this is life :) experiencing mixed feelings, disturbance and choosing to change an opinion, I don't mind having had different experiences with my MerKaBa and Drunvalo, personally, then you. Attending a workshop or course isn't always "a one way ticket to paradise" :) There's always a possibility that issues are being awakened, when your Light increases. There's always balance: where there's much Light, there's an equal amount of Darkness, as I see it. As far as the activation of the MerKaBa goes, Drunvalo emphasises the importance of your intuiton and your discernment to know if something feels good to you. If not, you leave it alone. When in doubt, don't cross the street :) Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

Champion the Wonderhorse
26th December 2010, 20:53
Maybe I'm reflecting how the world is today. Trying to keep Yin Yang balanced. Or I'm just trying to centre myself between being 'up in the clouds' or 'down to Earth' if you know what I mean :juggle:

sygh
26th December 2010, 21:38
onawah;
Maybe it's because he touches on some truths but not all truths to where it becomes a negative force.

However, it makes sense that memory held within the brain is magnetized to me as well. And as far as the light body is concerned, not only do I believe what he is saying, I've actually seen it. I had a very close relative with AIDS who, unbeknownst to his own conscious mind, wrapped his physical body up in the neonwhite/silver cords of his lightbody, just like a cocoon OR the "ritualistic" stylings of mumification. (Leastwise, this is exactly what it looked like to me when remotely viewing it.) The doctors had given him up for dead. Within this cocoon, he was able to cure himself of AIDS. His doctors still test him. But they are testing his blood when, at least in my opinion, they should be testing his energy field.

Some would ask if he practiced meditation. No, he did not. But, he was and still is a very serious musician and has been all of his life -which is a most natural and healing form of meditiation in and of itself.

As for the Egyptians, it is quite possible the Egyptians lost the ability to do this with the light body, with the majority falling into Sun worship and going through the motions by practicing the wrapping ritual on the material body, in the years that followed. When you think about it, mumification is a giant clue. Of course, I cannot prove this, I can only convey what I have experienced, and I sure don't mean to act or talk like I know more than I do. so... take it for what it is worth. :pop2:

sygh
26th December 2010, 22:28
Remote viewing is different from astral travel. Remote viewing is done without leaving your body, while astral travel involves, for lack of a better term, blipping out of the body (a term I use because it feels like a blip). I have no idea whether this is shared but I left mine through the solar plexis. And I knew it was there but have yet to see my cord. I did get to see my own astral body though; it was gold. That suprised me. All of it suprised me, really. The one interesting thing about remote viewing though is that you can still feel the sensation of flying, or being there without projecting your astral body there. You can also be there, in the astral body, instantly -if the need calls for it. By viewing remotely first, you don't have that blipping sensation associated with astral projection.

Victoria Tintagel
19th February 2011, 23:39
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Hey Avaloneans, here's the 13th chapter of Drunvalo Melchizedek's second volume "The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life" with instructions for the MerKaBa meditation, to activate the Ka: the Light Body. For those who feel it's appropriate to use this creation tool, because that's what it is. The original of this Volume 2, is in the archives of www.scribd.com and you will find the illustrations that belong to this text. Unfortunately these aren't copied here. There's lots of geometric forms on the internet and in the main post I placed here, with lectures and interviews, there's a video where Drunvalo teaches the sacred geometric forms of the Flower of Life origin.

These MerKaBa instructions were given in the eighties first, as part of the Flower of Life workshop that was presented by Drunvalo. At the end of the last millenium, these instructions are freely given and anybody can offer them without restrictions.

You have my word on it, as I have been talking with Drunvalo about it. It's completely fine to share this information and to activate your lightbody, if that's what you desire. Just see and feel if this is valuable for you. There's lots of roads to go to Rome and many roads to leave it :) There's always a possibillity to attend the FOL workshop and receive the instructions with a group of people, if you prefer to learn the use of the MerKaBa this way. For me, this MerKaBa activation has been, and still is, of great value, since my attending of the Flower of Life workshop in 1997. To really understand the geometries and laws of creation, it's wise to read Volume 1 and 2 completely. These are available at amazon.com or spiritofmaat.com

The activation of your lightbody accelerates your evolution and protects against the influence of electromagnetic disturbances, be it of cosmic/solar or electric gadget's origin. Much more is explained in these 2 books, that gives deeper understanding of the qualities of the MerKaBa as a creation tool and ascension vehicle. Be in grace, Victoria Tintagel.

"T H I R T E E N The Mer-Ka-Ba Geometries and Meditation
To summarize the last chapter: First there is the energy flow through the chakras, and from the chakras the meridians reach each cell in the body. Then there is the prana field close to the body, generated by the chakra/meridian energy flow. Next there is the auric field that extends out a few feet off the surface, generated by the thoughts and feelings/emotions and surrounded by an egg-shaped energy field.
We may begin to see the geometric fields of light that make up the bulk of the human lightbody. The Mer-Ka-Ba is a potential of the geometric fields of light and is created through consciousness.

It does not happen automatically except over a very long period of evolution, and at this moment in history less than 0.1 percent of humanity has a living Mer-Ka-Ba.
I believe that will change dramatically over the next few years. The human being is surrounded by numerous geometric fields of energy that are electromagnetic in nature within this dimension fig. The Mer-Ka-Ba extends into all possible dimensions, and in each dimension uses the laws of that dimension to manifest. In the figure above, you are seeing only one of hundreds of other possibilities that exist around the body.

You are looking at the star-tetrahedral field that is the first geometric field off the surface of the body, sometimes referred to as the "opening" to the Mer-Ka-Ba.
This field will be the one we will use (at least most of us) here on Earth at this time in history, but we are going to show you the more complete geometric lightbody, because for some of you this information will become very important.

For the vast majority of you, this first star tetrahedral field is all that is necessary to know. Once you reach the next world, the fourth dimension of this planet, you will receive all the additional information you will need at that time. Fig. 13-1. The human star-tetrahedral geometry.

THIRTEEN — 343
Why do I keep giving information that is only for a few? I am speaking to an audience that is on many levels of evolution. All of you are important to life. In fact, if even one spirit were to become nonexistent, the entire universe would cease to exist. In order to reach the whole audience, I must go beyond what most people need.

The Star Tetrahedron, Source of All Geometric Fields around the Body
If you were to follow these energy lines of this star-tetrahedral field to their source within the body, you would be looking at the tiny star-tetrahedral field of the original eight cells—the Egg of Life, located in the exact geometric center of the body. As you saw in chapter 7, the creation of life geometric. Mitosis moves through sphere to tetrahedron to star tetrahedron to cube to sphere again, and finally to torus.

This geometric beginning of life does not stop there. It continues out to a distance of about 55 feet around the body, creating an amazingly intricate array of interconnected and interrelated geometric energy bodies that will be used over time by life as it evolves. Now that you understand the source of these geometric fields around the body, let's take a look at them. We will begin with the star tetrahedron. First we will repeat part of the information on pages 48 and 49 to save you I from having to look it up. It is the beginning.

The work that is to follow is sacred and will result in your being changed forever. If it does not feel like the right path for you to follow at this time, then don't. Wait until you feel sure. Once you have entered upon this path, there is no turning back. You will know and will have experienced too much in the higher chakras. You can read this chapter, but that is not what I am talking about. It is the actual experience of the Mer-Ka-Ba that will change you and your life. It will alert your higher self that you are becoming aware, and your higher self, which is you on a higher level of consciousness, will begin to alter your life here on Earth and you will rapidly begin to grow spiritually. You may find major changes in your life begin within days or weeks of beginning this practice.

Friends and relationships that have been in your way spiritually will recede, and new friends and relationships will appear. Whatever has stopped you from growing spiritually will disappear and whatever you need will appear. It is a spiritual law, as you will soon see if you choose to enter this path within the higher chakras and the Mer-Ka-Ba. I say this to you so that you will know and not be surprised. Once life is aware of your awakening, it will assist you; then once you have begun to awaken, life will use you to further unfold it. Do you remember? This is, of course, not the first time you have entered this path. In truth, you do know. So let us begin.

This star tetrahedron with the human image within it [Fig. 13-2] is going to become one of the most important drawings for understanding and working with the Mer-Ka-Ba as taught here in this book. What you're looking at is two-dimensional, but think of it in three dimensions. In three dimensions it is two interlocked tetrahedrons that are perfectly contained within a cube. It would really help if you were to make or buy one of these forms so that you can get the image perfectly in your mind.
[In the back of this volume is a template that can be copied, cut out and taped to form the star tetrahedron.]

One of the first things the angels did when they were teaching me was ask me to make a star tetrahedron out of cardboard. Somehow, holding this form in your hands really helps your understanding. In fact, it is almost essentual, for a misunderstanding at this point could completely stop your further: growth. One simple way to construct a star tetrahedron is to first construct an octahedron with eight identical equilateral triangles. (You see, there is an octahedron inside the center of a star tetrahedron).

Then make eight identical tetrahedrons that exactly fit over each face of the octahedron. Now glue the eight tetrahedrons onto each face, and you have a star tetrahedron. There are other ways [see the pattern in back of this book], but this way is easy. I highly recommend that you somehow obtain a star. The next thing is to understand how your body fits into this star tetrahedron, or how the star is arranged around your body. By carefully studying this 3D star tetrahedron you have obtained or constructed and by studying Figure 13-1, your mind will begin to remember. Please do this first. On Leonardo's drawing, the tetrahedron pointing upward to the Sun is male.

The one pointing down toward the Earth is female. We're going to call the male one a Sun tetrahedron and the female one an Earth tetrahedron. There are only two symmetrical ways that a human being can look out of this star tetrahedral form with one point of the star above the head and one point below the feet and with the alignment of the human body looking toward the horizon. For a male body looking out of his form, his Sun tetrahedron has a point on the bottom plane facing forward and the opposite flat face is behind him; his Earth tetrahedron has a point on its top plane facing backward and the opposite flat face is in front [see Fig. 13-2, left].

For a female body looking out of her form, her Sun tetrahedron has a flat face forward and a point facing the back; her Earth tetrahedron has a point facing forward and the opposite flat face is behind her [see Fig. 13-2, right]. Fur- Fig. 13-2. The male and female orientation within the star tetrahedron.

Update: If you're born on this planet Earth and did not recently come from somewhere else, your Mer-Ka-Ba has been dormant for13,000 years. So it has been a very long time since your body has sensed this experience. This breathing practice will reestablish the living Mer-Ka-Ba around your body. The practice functions much like a spinning wheel that has to be spun every so often to keep it spinning. In a Mer-Ka-Ba, however, eventually the repeated spinning begins to take on a life of its own, and at one point in the practice the spinning will continue indefinitely. But it takes time.

This state of the Mer-Ka-Ba is now being called a "permanent" Mer-Ka-Ba, which means a person is what is called a conscious breather. A conscious breather is someone with a permanent Mer-Ka-Ba who is consciously aware of the Mer-Ka-Ba breath. To be clear, the daily practice that follows is a method to construct a living Mer-Ka-Ba field around your body, but the practice will someday be stopped and replaced by conscious breathing. However, there are very definite problems that can occur if you stop doing the practice before your Mer-Ka-Ba is really permanent.

Your ego may say to you "Oh yes, I am sure that my Mer-Ka-Ba is permanent" when in fact it is not. If you stop doing the practice too early, then your Mer-Ka-Ba will stop living (or spinning) after about 47 to 48 hours. So how can you tell if it is permanent? This is very difficult for some people because when you are beginning, the energy of the Mer-Ka-Ba is very subtle. If you have been doing the Mer-Ka-Ba for ther, there are actually three complete star tetrahedrons around the body all the exact same size and superimposed over each other along the same axis.

If you could see them, they would appear as only one, but there are really three. We will explain in breath fifteen. Now we are going to give the actual ancient Mer-Ka-Ba meditation and special updated information to help you solve most of the problems that people have encountered in the past when attempting to activate their Mer-Ka-Ba using these or similar instructions.

These instructions, which I have slightly edited here, were originally used by the Flower of Life facilitators and have been posted on Web sites around the world, but most people have not been able to do this work from these instructions because of problems that have been hidden until recently. Read these updates as referenced to avoid the earlier problems. The problems that people have had in understanding these instruction have been identified over the last five years by direct experience in workshops, and they will be clearly noted in the updates format in the margin are in a special section. I believe this new way will work, but the best possible way
is still to seek out a Flower of Life facilitator to teach you. These FOL facilitators are in over 33 countries and can be located on the Internet at www.floweroflife.org. Or you can call the Flower of Life office in Phoenix. Arizona, USA, direct at (602) 996-0900.

They have been carefully trained not only to teach the Mer-Ka-Ba instructions, but also to teach the oral instructions of the heart that cannot be taught from a book. And the lessons of the heart are more important than the knowledge itself. It is, of course, up to you how you proceed, but once you begin to understand the Mer-Ka-Ba, the FOL facilitator could become indispensable. With this preface, we will begin the instructions. These instructions will be in four parts.

Spherical Breathing and the Remembrance of the Mer-Ka-Ba
Like the Sun, we must breathe, radiating out to all life. And from all life we will receive our manna. Begin by creating a place in your home that is used only for this meditation. Make a space where no one will walk through or disturb you, such as in a corner of your bedroom. A small altar with a candle and a cushion or pillow to sit on may be helpful. Make this place holy. It is here that you will learn to create the living Mer-Ka-Ba around your body and make conscious contact with your higher self.
Enter into this meditation once each day until the time comes when you are a conscious breather, remembering with each breath your intimate connection with God. [Read Update 1.]

To begin the meditation, first sit down and relax. Any human position is possible for doing the meditation, but sitting lotus style or on a chair is probably best. You decide. Begin by letting the worries of the day go. Breathe rhythmically and shallowly in a relaxed manner. Be aware of your Heart: Open your heart and feel love for all life.
If you cannot do this comfortably, you must at least open to this love as much as is possible for you. This is the most important instruction of all.

Mind: Become aware of the Sun (male) tetrahedron (the apex facing upward to the Sun, with a point facing to the front for males and for females a point facing to the back). See this Sun tetrahedron filled with brilliant while light surrounding your body. (The color of this brilliant white light is the color of lightning as you see it coming from a thundercloud. It is not onyl the color of lightning, it is the energy of lightning.) Visualize it the best you can. If you cannot visualize it, sense or feel it surrounding you. Feel the Sun Tetrahedron filled with this energy. [Read Update 2.]

Body: At the same moment of inhalation, place your hands in a mudra where vour thumb and first finger in both hands are touching. Lightly touch the tips of the two fingers, not allowing the sides of your fingers to touch each other or any other object. Keep your palms facing up. [Read Update 3.]

Breath: At this same moment, with your lungs empty, begin to breathe in a complete yogic breath. Breathe through your nostrils only, except at certan places, which will be described. Simply breathe from your stomach more than one year and you find that you are aware of your Mer-Ka-Ba many times a day, then it is fairly certain that it is permanent. If you are in contact with your higher self and you are sure of it, then simply ask. However, one thing is also for certain: If you stop doing your practice and you find that you have not even thought of or remembered your Mer-Ka-Ba for several days, you must begin again. Once you are a conscious breather, you will remember your Mer-Ka-Ba every day.

Update 2: You will need to have a small three-dimensional physical star tetrahedron to look at. Realize that each edge of this star tetrahedron is the width of your outstretched arms from the middle finger of one hand to the middle finger of the other hand (or your height, if you prefer). So the star around you is very big. You can draw a triangle on the floor or use strings to see with your mind the actual size of your tetrahedrons. This will help tremendously. In the Flower of Life classes they often use a full-size 3D star tetrahedron and get inside it. This really works.

When you visualize your tetrahedrons, do not see them outside yourself. Do not see a small star out in front of you with you inside it. This will disconnect you from the actual field and will not create the Mer-Ka-Ba. Your mind needs to connect with the real field, so see the tetrahedrons around your body with you inside. Second, you have different options to connect your mind with your tetrahedrons. Some people can visualize them; their ability to visualize is amazing.

FIRST BREATH: Inbreath
Part 1: The First Six Breaths An Overview of the Meditation
There are seventeen breaths to reach completion. The first six are for the balancing of the polarities within your eight electrical circuits and for the cleansing of these circuits. The next seven, which are quite different, are to reestablish the proper pranic flow through your chakra system and to create what is called spherical breathing within your body. The fourteenth breath is unique. It changes the balance of pranic energy in your body from third-dimensional to fourth-dimensional awareness. The last three breaths re-create the counterrotating fields of the living Mer-Ka-Ba within and around your body. breath and feel your body relax.

When you feel the tension begin to fade, place your attention on your Christ chakra, which is located just about one centimeterr above your sternum, and begin to open your heart. Feel love. Feel love for God and all life everywhere. Continue to breathe rhythmically the same length of time in and out), being aware of your breath, and feel the love moving through your spirit. When the feeling of love is in your beingness, you are ready to move toward the experience of the Mer-Ka-Ba. The degree you are able to love will be the degree to which you will be able to experience the living Mer-Ka-Ba. The following instructions are broken into four areas: mind, body, breath and heart. Some people cannot visualize them, but they can feel them. Both ways are equal. To see is left-brained and male, and to feel is rightbrained and female. Either way works; it really does not matter. Some people use both ways at once, which is also okay.

Update 3: A mudra is a hand position. Many spiritual practices use mudras. The Tibetans and the Hindus both use them in their practices. What this does is connect your body consciously with a specific electrical circuit within your body. As you change mudras, it will connect you with a different electrical circuit. There are eight electrical circuits in the body, coming from the eight original cells. It is hard to explain here, but it is necessary to balance only six circuits to achieve balance in all eight. It is similar to the global positioning system (GPS) system that locates a specific spot on the surface of the Earth.

This system is based on the tetrahedron. If three points of the tetrahedron are known, then the fourth can be located. In the same way, if three electrical circuits are balanced, it will balance the fourth. Therefore, if six points of the star tetrahedron are balanced, the last two, located above the head and below the feet, will automatically become balanced. That is why there are only six balancing (and cleansing) breaths for the eight electrical circuits.

FIRST BREATH: Outbreath
Heart: Love.
Mind: Become aware of the Earth (female) tetrahedron (apex pointing up the Earth, with a point facing to the back for males, and for females a point facing to the front.
Breath: exhale from the abdomen first, then your diaphragm and finally your chest. Do this in one movement not three. The exhalation is completed either by holding the chest firm and relaxing the stomach, slowly releasing the air, or by holding the stomach firm and relaxing the chest. The most important point is that this breathing becomes rhythmic, meaning the same time duration in and out.

Begin by using seven seconds in and seven seconds out, which is what the Tibetans use. As you become familiar with this meditation, find your own rhythm. The breaths can be as long as you are comfortable with, but should not be less than five seconds unless you have a physical problem and cannot do it that long. Then, of course, do the best you can. The following instructions for a complete yogic breath are from Science of Breath: A Complete Manual of the Oriental Breathing Philosophy of Physical, Mental, Psychic and Spiritual Development by Yogi Ramacharaka [Yoga Publishers Society, 1904]. Perhaps this description from his book will be helpful:

Breathing through the nostrils, inhale steadily, first filling the lower part of the lungs, which is accomplished by bringing into play the diaphragm while descending exerts a gentle pressure on the abdominal organs pushing forward the front walls of the abdomen. Then fill the middle part of the lungs, pushing out the lower ribs, breastbone and chest. Then fill the higher portion of the lungs, protruding the upper chest thus lifting the chest, including the upper six or seven pairs of ribs. At first reading it may appear that this breath consists of three distinct movements.

This, however, is not the correct idea. The inhalation is continuous, the entire chest cavity from the lowered diaphragm to the highest point of the chest in the region of the collarbone being expanded with a uniform movement. Avoid a jerky series of inhalation and strive to attain a steady, continuous action. Practice will soon overcome the tendency to divide the inhalation into three movements and will result in a uniform, continuous breath. You will be able to complete the inhalation in a few seconds after a little practice. Exhale quite slowly, holding the chest in a firm position and drawing the abdomen in a little and lifting it upward slowly as the air leaves the lungs. [Author's Note: Some teachers reverse this part by holding the abdomen in a firm position and relaxing the chest. Most teachers use the first met/tod. Either way is fine.] When the air is entirely exhaled, relax the chest and abdomen.

A little practice will render this part of the exercise easy, and the movement, once acquired, will be afterward performed allmost automatically. (facing to the front).
See this tetrahedron also filled with brilliant white light.
Body: Keep the same mudra.
Breath: Do not hesitate at the top of the inhalation to begin the exhalation. Exhale quite slowly for approximately seven seconds, in the yogic manner. When the air is out of the lungs, without forcing, relax the chest and abdomen and hold the breath.

When you feel pressure to breathe again after five seconds or so, then do the following:
Mind: Be aware of the flat equilateral triangle at the top of the Earth tetrahedron located in the horizontal plane that passes through your chest at approximately 3 inches below the Christ chakra, or approximately at the solar plexus [see Vitruvius' canon on the frontispiece before chapter 1]. In a flash, and with a pulselike energy, send that triangular plane down through the Earth tetrahedron.

It gets smaller as it goes down because it conforms to the shape of the tetrahedron and pushes all the negative energy of the mudra or electrical circuit out the tip or apex of the tetrahedron. A light will shoot out of the apex toward the center of Earth. This light, if you can see it, will usually be a muddy or dark color. The mind exercise is performed simultaneously with the following body movements.
[Read Update 4.]
Body: This following exercise can be achieved with your eyes either open or closed. Move your eyes slightly toward each other; in other words, slightly cross your eyes. Now bring them up to the top of their sockets (by looking upward). This motion of looking up should not be extreme. You may feel a tingling sensation between your eyes in the area of your third eye. Now look down to the lowest point you can, as fast as you can. You may feel an electrical sensation move down your spine. The mind and the body must coordinate the above mental exercise with the eye movements.

The eyes look down from their uppermost position at the same time the mind sees the horizontal triangular plane of the Earth tetrahedron move down to the apex of the Earth tetrahedron. It will naturally return to its normal position. This combined exercise will clean out the negative thoughts and feelings that have entered your electrical system in this particular circuit. Specifically, it will clean out the part of your electrical system associated with the particular mudra you are using. Immediately upon pulsing the energy down your spine, change mudras to the next one and begin the entire cycle over again for the second breath.

The next five breaths repeat the first, with the following mudra changes:
Part one, the first six breaths (balancing the polarities and cleansing your electrical system), is now complete. You are now ready for part two.

Update 4: Do not worry about this negative energy entering Mother Earth. She is fully able to assimilate this energy with no problem. However, if you live in a two-story building or higher, it may be necessary to do one more thing in order to be responsible. When passing through a building into a lower floor, if this energy comes in contact with other people, it will contaminate them. In order not to cause harm, the following is necessary: We have not explained psychic energy yet, so you must go on faith if you do not understand it.

You must see and know that this negative energy you have emitted will not become attached to another person and will completely enter Mother Earth without causing harm. By simply thinking this thought, it will be so.

SECOND BREATH
THIRD BREATH
FOURTH BREATH
FIFTH BREATH
SIXTH BREATH
Mudra: Thumb and second [middle ] finger together.
Mudra: Thumb and third finger together.
Mudra: Thumb and little finger together.
Mudra: Thumb and first finger together (same as first breath)
Mudra: Thumb and second finger together (same as second breath)

Update 5: The following refinement is optional. If it does not feel necessary, then don't do it, and continue to use only love. Use this refinement only after you are comfortable with this practice and are no longer concentrating on how to do it.
It is as follows:
Replace the feeling of love that is held for all seven breaths with the following seven feelings or qualities of mind, holding them during
the entire breath.
Breath 7 Love
Breath 8 Truth
Breath 9 Beauty
Breath 10 Trust
Breath 11 Harmony
Breath 12 Peace
Breath 13 Reverence for God

This pattern is necessary for entering a stargate such as the one found in Orion in the middle of the Crab Nebula. Only a person (or spirit) who is living these qualities can enter such a stargate. This pattern has a subtle field that will help you in the future. If you do not understand now, you will later.

Part 2: The Next Seven Breaths Re-creating Spherical Breathing
Here an entirely new breathing pattern begins. You do not need to visualizethe star tetrahedron at this time. You only need to see and work with the breathing tube that runs through the star, from the apex of the Sun (male) tetrahedron above your head to the apex of the Earth (female) tetrahedron below your feet. The tube extends from one hand-length above your head to one hand-length below your feet. The diameter of your tube will be the size of the circle formed by touching your own thumb and middle finger together.

(Because all people are different, each person must be his, her own measuring stick.) The tube is like a fluorescent tube with a crystalline
tip at each end that fits into the top and bottom apexes of the two tetrahedrons. Prana enters the tube through an infinitely small hole at the tip.

SEVENTH BREATH: Inbreath
Heart: Love. There is another refinement that can be used after you have first perfected this meditation. [Read Update 5.]
Mind: Visualize or sense the tube running through your body. The instant you begin the seventh inbreath, see the brilliant white light of prana moving up and down the tube simultaneously. This movement is almost instantaneous. The point where these two prana beams meet within your body is controlled by the mind; this is a vast science known throughout the universe. In this teaching, however, you will be shown only what is necessary to take you from the third- to the fourth-dimensional awareness and move with the Earth as she ascends.

In this case you will direct the two beams of prana inside the tube to meet at your navel—or more correctly, within your body at the navel level. The moment the two beams of prana meet, which is just as the inbreath begins, a grapefruit-sized sphere of white light/prana is formed at the meeting point centered within the tube exactly at this chakra. It all happens in an instant. As you continue to take the seventh inbreath, the sphere of prana begins to concentrate and grow slowly larger.

Body: For the next seven breaths, use the same mudra for both inbreath and outbreath: the thumb, first and second fingers touching together, palms up.
Breath: Deep, rhythmic yogic breathing, seven seconds in and seven secondsout, or whatever is best for you. There is no holding your breath from now on. The flow of prana from the two poles will not stop or change in any way when you switch from inbreath to outbreath. It will be a continuous flow that will not stop as long as you breathe in this manner—even after death, resurrection or ascensio.,

SEVENTH BREATH: OutbreathMind:
The prana sphere centered at the navel continues to grow. By the time of the full exhalation, the prana sphere will be approximately eight or nine inches in diameter.
Breath: Do not force the air out of your lungs. When your lungs empty naturally, immediately begin the next breath.

EIGHT BREATH: Inbreath
Hearth:Love
Mind:The prana sphere continues to concentrate life-force energy and grow in size.
EIGHTH BREATH: Outbreath
Mind: The prana sphere continues to grow and will reach maximum size at the end this breath. The maximum size is different for each person. If you put your longest finger at the edge of your navel, the line on your wrist that defines your hand will show you the radius of the maximum size of this sphere for you. This sphere of prana cannot grow larger; it will remain this size intact even when we expand another sphere beyond this one later.

NINTH BREATH: Intbreath
Mind: sphere cannot grow larger, so the prana begins to concentrate within the sphere, causing it to grow brighter.
Breath:The sphere grows brighter and brighter as you inhale.
NINTH BREATH: Outbreath
Heart: As you exhale, the sphere continues to grow brighter and brighter.

TENTH BREATH: Inbreath
Mind: As you inhale the tenth breath, the sphere of light in your stomach and will reach maximum concentration. Approximately halfway into the tenth inbreath, at the moment of maximum possible concentration, the sphere will ignite and change color and quality. The electric blue-white color of prana will turn into the golden color of the Sun. The sphere will become a golden sun of brilliant light. As you complete the tenth inbreath, this new golden sphere of light will rapidly reach a new and higher concentration. At the moment you reach full inhalation, the golden sphere of light in your body is ready for a transformation.

TENTH BREATH: Outbreath
MIND: At the moment of exhalation, the small sphere of golden light, two hand-lengths in diameter, bulges to expand. In one second, combined with the breath described below, the sphere expands quickly to the size of Leonardo's sphere (the fingertips of your extended arms). Your body is now completely enclosed in a huge sphere of brilliant golden light. You have returned to the ancient form of spherical breathing. However, at this point the sphere is not stable. You must breathe three more times (breaths 11,12 and 13) to stabilize the new golden sphere.

Breath: At the moment of exhalation, make a small hole with your lips and blow out your air with pressure. Notice how your stomach muscles contract and your throat seems to open. In the first moment of this breath, you will feel the sphere begin to bulge as you force the air through your lips. Then at the right moment (usually within a se ond or two), relax and let all the remaining air out through your lips. At that moment the sphere will immediately expand to the size of the Leonardo sphere. Notice that the original smaller sphere is also still there. There are two spheres, one within the other.

ELEVENTH, TWELFTH AND THIRTEENTH BREATHS: Inbreath and Outbreath
Mind: Relax and drop your visualization. Simply feel the flow of the prana flowing from the two poles, meeting at the navel and expanding outward to the large sphere.
Breath: Deep, rhythmic yogic breathing. At the end of the thirteenth breath you have stabilized the large sphere and are ready for the important fourteenth breath. It is important to note here that the original small sphere is still inside the larger sphere. In fact, the small sphere is actually brighter and more concentrated than the larger one. It is from this inner sphere that prana is drawn for various purposes such as healing.

Part 3: FOURTEENTH BREATH: Inbreath
Update 6: Because there is a sexual change taking place on Earth at this time triggered by the new light from our Sun, many people
have found that their sexual polarity has changed. Since this mudra is not really important except to relax the meditator, it is now suggested that you use whichever mudra feels right for you. And if it seems to change sometimes, then change with it.
Heart: Love.

Mind: At the beginning of the fourteenth inbreath, using your mind and your thoughts, move the point where the two beams of prana meet from your navel to about two or three finger widths above the bottom of the sternum, the fourth-dimensional chakra of Christ consciousness. The entire large sphere, along with the original small sphere, still contained within the large sphere, moves up to the new meeting point within the tube. Though this is very easy to do, it is an extremely powerful movement. Breathing from this new point within the tube will inevitably change your awareness from third- to fourth-dimensional consciousness, or from Earth consciousness to Christ consciousness. It will take awhile to have this effect on you, but as I have said, it is inevitable if you continue this practice.

Body: The following mudra will be used for the rest of the meditation. Males will place the left palm on top of the right palm, both faced upward, and females will place the right palm on top of the left palm. Let the thumbs lightly touch each other. It is a relaxing mudra. [Read Update 6.]

Breath: Deep, rhythmic yogic breathing. However, if you continue to breathe from your Christ center without moving on to the Mer-Ka-Ba (this is recommended until you have made contact with your higher self), then shift to a shallow, comfortable rhythmic breath. In other words, breathe rhythmically but in a comfortable manner where your attention is more on the flow of energy moving up and down the tube, meeting at the sternum and expanding to the large sphere. Just feel the flow. Use your feminine side to just be. At this point don't think; just breathe, feel and be.
Feel your connection to all life through the Christ breath. Remember your intimate
connection with God. [Read Update 7.]

Part 4: The Last Three Breaths, Creating the Vehicle of Ascension
It used to be taught that you not attempt this fourth part until you had made contact with your higher self and your higher self has given you permission to proceed. We are now giving you permission to proceed, but continue to be open to communication with your higher self. This part is to be taken seriously. The energies that will come into and around your body and spirit have tremendous power.

Update 7: For many years it was recommended that people breathe only from the spherical breath until they had made conscious contact with their higher self. Because the Earth has moved into a higher consciousness in the last few years, it is now recommended that you immediately continue to part four of the living Mer-Ka-Ba.

FIFTEENTH BREATH: Inbreath
Heart: Unconditional love for all life.
Mind: Be aware of the whole star tetrahedron. Each is composed of one Sun (male) tetrahedron interlocked with one Earth (female) tetrahedron. These two, the Sun and Earth tetrahedrons together, form the whole star tetrahedron (the three-dimensional Star of David). Now, realize that there are three separate star tetrahedrons superimposed over each other—three complete sets of double (star) tetrahedrons that are exactly the same size and appear as one but are actually separate.

Each star tetrahedron is exactly the same size, and each star tetrahedron has a polarity of its own, either male, female or neutral. Each star tetrahedron will turn or spin on the same axis. The first star tetrahedron is neutral in nature. It is literally the body itself, and it is locked in place at the base of the spine. It never changes its orientation, except under certain rare conditions that have not been discussed. It is placed around the body according to the sex of the body. The second star tetrahedron is male in nature and electrical. It is literally the human mind, and it can rotate counterclockwise relative to your body, looking outward. To put it another way, it rotates toward your left, beginning from a point in front of you.

The third star tetrahedron is female in nature and magnetic. It is literally the human emotional body, and it can rotate clockwise relative to your body, looking outward. Put another way, it rotates toward your right, beginning from a point in front of you. [Read Update 8.] On the inhalation of the fifteenth breath, as you are inhaling, say to yourself in your mind the code words, "equal speed." This will start the two rotatable star tetrahedrons spinning in opposite directions at equal speeds.

Your mind knows exactly what your intentions are and will do as you say.This means there will be a complete rotation of the mind tetrahedrons for every complete rotation of the emotional tetrahedrons. If one set goes around 10 times, the other set will also go around 10 times, only in the opposite direction.
Body: Continue the mudra of the cupped hands from now on. [Read Update 9.]
Breath: Deep, rhythmic yogic breathing again, but only for the next three breaths. After that, return to shallow, rhythmic breathing. We will mention this again.

FIFTEENTH BREATH: Outbreath
Mind: The two sets of tetrahedrons take off spinning. In an instant they will be moving at exactly one-third the speed of light at their outermost tips. You will probably not be able to see this because of their tremendous speed, but you can feel it. What you have just done is to start the "motor" of the Mer-Ka-Ba. You will not go anywhere or have any exciting experience. It is just like starting the motor of a car but keeping the transmission in neutral. It is an essential step in creating the Mer-Ka-Ba.

Breath: Make a small hole with your lips just like you did for breath number ten. Blow out in the same manner, and as you do, feel the two sets of tetrahedrons take off spinning. [Read Update 10.]

SIXTEENTH BREATH: Inbreath
Mind: This is the most amazing breath. On the inbreath, as you are inhaling, say to yourself in your mind, "34/21." This is the code for your mind to spin the two sets of tetrahedrons at a ratio of 34 to 21, meaning that the mind tetrahedrons will spin to the left 34 times while the emotional tetrahedrons will spin to the right 21 times. As the two sets speed up, the ratio will remain constant.
Breath: Deep, rhythmic yogic breathing. [Read Update 11.]

SIXTEENTH BREATH: Outbreath
Mind: As you let out the breath, the two sets of tetrahedrons take off in an instant from their setting at one-third the speed of light to two-thirds the speed of light.
As they approach two-thirds light speed, a phenomenon occurs:
A flat disk quickly extends from the original eight cells within the body (at the level of the base of the spine) to a distance of about 55 feet in diameter. And the sphere of energy centered around the two sets of tetrahedrons creates, with the disk, a shape that looks like a flying saucer around the body. This energy matrix is called the Mer-Ka-Ba. However, this field is not stable. If you see or sense the Mer-Ka-Ba around you at this point, you will know it to be unstable. It will be slowly wobbling. Therefore, breath number seventeen is necessary to speed it up.

Breath: Same as breath number fifteen. Make a small hole with your lips and blow out with pressure. It is at this point that the speed increases. As you will feel the speed increasing, let out all your breath with force. This action will cause the higher speed to be fully obtained and the Mer-Ka-Ba to be formed in a stable position.

SEVENTEENTH BREATH: Inbreath
Heart: Remember, unconditional love for all of life must be felt throughout this meditation or no results will be realized.
Mind: As you breathe in, say to yourself the code "nine-tenths the speed of light." This tells your mind to increase the speed of the Mer-Ka-Ba to 0/10 the speed of light, which will stabilize the rotating field of energy. It will also do something else.

The third-dimensional universe we live in is tuned to 9/10 the speed of light. Every electron in your body is rotating around every atom in your body at 9/10 the speed of light. This is the reason this particular speed is selected. It will enable you to understand and work with the Mer-Ka-Ba in this third dimension without having to have fourth or higher-dimensional experiences. This is very important in the begining.
[ReadUpdate 12.]
Breath: Deep, rhythmic yogic breathing.

SEVENTEENTH BREATH: Outbreath
Mind: The speed increases to 9/10 the speed of light and stabilizes the
Mer-Ka-Ba.
Breath: Same as breaths fifteen and sixteen. Make a small hole in your lips and blow out with pressure. As you feel the speed take off, let all your breath out with force. You are now in your stable, third-dimensionally tuned Mer-Ka-Ba. With the help of your higher self, you will understand what this really means. After you are finished with the breathing exercise, technically you can immediately get up and return to your everyday life. If you do, try to remember your breathing and the flow through your body as long as you can and you can realize that life is an open-eyes meditation and everything is. However, it would be desirable to remain in the meditation for a while longer, perhaps fifteen minutes to an hour. While you are in this meditation state, your thoughts and emotions are amplified tremendously.

This is a great time for positive affirmations. Talk to your higher self to discover the possibilities of this special meditative time. We will talk about this in detail in the chapter on psychic energy and the speed ratio associated with it in this dimension. The chakra we have moved into with the fourteenth breath and are breathing from is the Christ chakra, and that is the speed ratio of that chakra. The chakra above this one is 55/34, and the one below it, the solar plexus, has a ratio of 21/13. It is not important for us to know this now, for when we reach the fourth dimension we will be given full knowledge about this subject.

Update 12: Many teachers in the world have decided to teach people to move faster than the speed of light with their Mer-Ka-Bas. This is their decision, but I feel it is extremely dangerous. Most of the higher selves of these people will not allow this to happen even if the person commands it to take place. If a person really did have the Mer-Ka-Ba moving faster than the speed of light, that person would not be visible in this world and would exist somewhere else in the universe. They would no longer live on 3D Earth. There will come a time when this will become appropriate, and it is called the 18th breath. We will talk about this in a moment.

Victoria Tintagel
19th February 2011, 23:40
Second part of post Drunvalo M's instructions for the activation of the MerKaBa field, Flower of Life

EIGHTEENTH BREATH:
This very special breath will not be taught here. You must receive it from your higher self. It is the breath that will take you through the speed of light into the fourth dimension (or higher, if higher self directs it). It is based on whole-number fractions, just as in music. You will disappear from this world and reappear in another one that will be your new home for a while. This is not the end, but the beginning of an ever-expanding consciousness returning you to the Source.

I ask that you do not experiment with this breath. It can be very dangerous. When the time is right, your higher self will cause you to remember how to do this breath. Do not be concerned about it; it will come when needed. There are many people teaching how to do this 18th breath now, especially on the Internet. I can't tell you what to do, but please be careful. Many of these teachers are saying that they know how and that they can take you there and have you return to Earth. But just remember, if you reality take this breath, you will no longer exist in this dimension.

The idea I that you can go to a higher dimension and return to Earth is highly unlikely. Not that it is impossible, simply highly unlikely. If you were to truly experience the higher worlds, you would not want to come back. So please be I careful. As I said, when the time is right, you will remember what to do without any outside help whatsoever.

Additional Information, and Problems That People Sometimes Experience.
All the problems or misunderstandings will be placed in this section for convenience. Some may be repeated from above and some will be new. We already mentioned the number-one problem associated with the creation of the human Mer-Ka-Ba with the spinning of the male and female (Sun and Earth) tetrahedrons in opposite directions instead of spinning the Sun and Earth star tetrahedrons (the set) in opposite directions. We are going to reprint this update here again since it is so important. Below are other related problems and additional information, but they use different terms to help your understanding.

1. Spinning the tetrahedrons, top and bottom only.
This is one of the biggest mistakes people make. They are not clear that there are really three sets of star tetrahedrons around the body, and they simply rotate the Sun tetrahedron counterclockwise and the Earth tetrahedron clockwise. This is a mistake that does not really cause any harm, but it stops further spiritual growth. This type of Mer-Ka-Ba will take you into an overtone of the third dimension of this planet, used by medicine men and women and shamans for thousands of years to gain power and to heal. It has been used even for warfare. But it leads nowhere, and it will definitely not allow you to ascend into the higher worlds that the Earth is taking us to. If you are doing this now, begin anew and start the practice as described.

2. Experiencing the tetrahedrons as either too small or too big, or one bigger or smaller than the other.
Sometimes when people examine their tetrahedrons, they find that they are either too big or too small or that one is bigger or smaller than the other. These instructions also apply to a crooked or unaligned field. What does this mean? Your tetrahedrons are an exact measure of the polarity balance within your body. The first and primary polarity within your body comes from your parents. The Sun tetrahedron is your father's energies as given to you at conception; the Earth tetrahedron is your mother's energies as given to you at conception.

If you experience a trauma originating from your parents during your childhood, especially from conception to about three years of age, vour tetrahedrons will mirror this trauma. For instance, if your father spanked or hit you in such a way as to cause real tear, almost for sure your Sun tetrahedron will contract and become smaller than normal. If this happened only once, perhaps it will heal and return to normal if the father is truly loving. But if this hitting continues, the Sun tetrahedron will remain distorted and smaller than normal, which will affect the child's life as long as he/she lives unless a healing is received in some manner.

The tetrahedrons should be the same size, and each edge-length should be the length of your outstretched arms. But this is seldom the case. Almost every human being on Earth has had trauma during childhood and beyond. What can we do? This is where emotional healing or therapy becomes necessary. In the ancient schools, such as in Egypt, the female or right-brained aspect of the mystery school (the Left Eye of Horus) always came first. The student began there, and after the emotional healing took place, then the leftbrained aspect was taught (the Right Eye of Horus).

Here in the United States and in other left-brained countries, we have introduced the leftbrained studies first because these countries are having a difficult time undersanding the female pathway. In many cases they have simply rejected this sample pathway. Therefore we have introduced this male pathway first just to pet their attention.

But now that we have your attention and you are begining to study this pathway, I find it necessary to tell you that you must now, or at least at some point on this path, begin to study the female way. Emotional healing is essential if you really wish to find enlightenment in this world. There is no way around it. Once you begin to find out about the higher worlds, you yourself will stop your growth past a certain point until this emotional healing has taken place. I am sorry, but that is the way it is. The good news is that there has been a great success in refining techniques to assist the human to heal the emotional body in the last 70 years. From the time of Freud until now, an incredible understanding has come to humanity around the human emotions.

Wilhelm Reich was the primary person, more than perhaps any other, who opened the door to this great understanding. It was Reich who realized that as children, not wanting to feel the pain of an emotional experience, we stored these painful emotions within our muscles, our nervous system and in the space around our bodies, our lightbody. We now know it is not just anywhere in our lightbody, but specifically in our tetrahedrons.

Since the time of Reich, Dr. Ida P. Rolf decided that if this emotional pain was stored in our muscles, then let's go in and get it. So Rolfing was born. Then many great souls came to this idea of Reich's, such as Fritz Perl and Sandy Goodman with the related ideas of Gestalt therapy and psychodrama. In more recent times, hypnotherapy was born, which opened even newer doors of understanding, including our past (and future) lives and their effect on our present lives. The existence of entities or dysfunctional spirits and energies such as found in witchcraft, voodoo and so on have become more understood with an easy method of release.

My suggestion is that you trust yourself and open to the possibility of someone coming into your life who can help you with your emotional imbalances (even if you are not aware of them). It almost always requires help from the outside. We usually cannot see our own problems, so this is one area of human experience where outside help is just about the only way. Only when a person is in a relatively healthy emotional balance can he or she successfully function through the Mer-Ka-Ba.

3. When the disk that extends from the Mer-Ka-Ba is in the wrong location.
The 55-foot disk that extends from the body comes from the original eight cells, and this disk is in that exact location. It passes through the area of the perineum, near the base of the spine. It is fixed at that location, or should be. Sometimes it is mistakenly seen emerging from other chakras or other locations in the body. It is very important to move this disk with your mind to the correct location, as this will change the nature of the whole chakra-system. This is one mistake that will distort the entire Mer-Ka-Ba experience, yet is easily corrected. You simply "see" it returning to its proper place, then hold it there for a while to stabilize. Make sure each day, as you
do the steps of the Mer-Ka-Ba, that this disk is in the proper place, and after about a week it will remain there.

4. A reversed-spin field.
Various mistaken understandings could cause a reversed-spin field for the Mer-Ka-Ba. In other words, instead of the mind tetrahedrons spinning to the left (from within the body) at the rate of 34 and the emotional tetrahedrons spinning to the right (from within the body) at the rate of 21, the speed ratio is reversed. By this we mean, the mind moves at 21 and the emotional at 34- No matter how you arrive at this state, it is very dangerous. A reversed field is antilife. If you do this long enough, it will almost surely result in sickness or even death. The solution is simple—just correct it.

But when you correct the field, it is like starting all over again to create a permanent field. To be very clear, since this is extremely important, we will give these instructions again:
From within the body looking out, and from a point in front of the body as the point of reference, the mind tetrahedron moves to the left 34 times while the emotional tetrahedron moves to the right 21 times.

5. Seeing yourself in a set of small star tetrahedrons in front of and outside of your body.
If you see yourself in a small star tetrahedron in the space in front of your body, this will not create the Mer-Ka-Ba. Your mind must connect with the real energy field of the star tetrahedrons. You must see yourself inside the center of the real field that exists around your body. You can see this field or you can sense or feel it. It does not matter, for either way will connect the mind to the lightbody.

Minor Problems and Misunderstandings
6. Perfect use of the mudras.
For the first two weeks, the exact use of the mudras is very important. However, once the mind and body know what you are attempting to do, then the mudras can be relaxed or even not used at all. The body needs to know that you are attempting to connect to a particular electrical system within it. Once the body knows which system it is, it can go there simply by your intention. It's kind of like riding a bicycle. At first your attention must be placed on keeping your balance. Once your body knows how to keep this balance, your attention is no longer necessary; it happens automatically.

7. Blowing outward—the tenth, fifteenth, sixteenth and seventeenth breaths.
This is similar to #6. The blowing out is very important in the first two weeks, but after that it can be done very lightly or not at all. Once the mind and body understand, they will perform this function purely from intention.

8. Colors.
For the first two weeks to perhaps a month, we ask that you use the color of lightning in the tetrahedrons and the breathing tube. Many of you may find or have found that color(s) have entered your Mer-Ka-Ba experience, and you are not sure if this is all right. We are asking you to use the color of lightning because that is the truest nature and color of pure prana. But many people will find that they cannot help color from coming into their Mer-Ka-Ba. First the tetrahedrons will fill with color and finally the entire Mer-Ka-Ba- This is not wrong, but normal. After about one month, we ask that you allow color to enter your Mer-Ka-Ba without using intention. In other words, simply allow whatever happens to happen. Feel what happens within your body when these colors begin to emerge. See within your mind if images begin to appear.

What these colors and images are is communication from your higher self. It is the beginning of direct communication, and it connects with the rest of life. There is one person, more than perhaps any other, who opened the door to this great understanding. It was Reich who realized that as children, not wanting to feel the pain of an emotional experience, we stored these painful emotions within our muscles, our nervous system and in the space around our bodies, our lightbody.

We now know it is not just anywhere in our lightbody, but specifically in our tetrahedrons. Since the time of Reich, Dr. Ida P. Rolf decided that if this emotional pain was stored in our muscles, then let's go in and get it. So Rolfing was born. Then many great souls came to this idea of Reich's, such as Fritz Perl and Sandy Goodman with the related ideas of Gestalt therapy and psychodrama. In more recent times, hypnotherapy was born, which opened even newer doors of understanding, including our past (and future)lives and their effect on our present lives.

The existence of entities or dysfunctional spirits and energies such as found in witchcraft, voodoo and soon have become more understood with an easy method of release. My suggestion is that you trust yourself and open to the possibility of someone coming into your life who can help you with your emotional imbalances (even if you are not aware of them). It almost always requires help from the outside. We usually cannot see our own problems, so this is one area of human experience where outside help is just about the only way. Only when a person is in a relatively healthy emotional balance can he or she successfully function through the Mer-Ka-Ba.

3. When the disk that extends from the Mer-Ka-Ba is in the wrong location.
The 55-foot disk that extends from the body comes from the original eight cells, and this disk is in that exact location. It passes through the area f the perineum, near the base of the spine. It is fixed at that location, or should be. Sometimes it is mistakenly seen emerging from other chakras or other[locations in the body. It is very important to move this disk with your mind to the correct location, as this will change the nature of the whole chakra system. This is one mistake that will distort the entire Mer-Ka-Ba experience, yet is easily corrected. You simply "see" it returning to its proper place, then hold it there for a while to stabilize. Make sure each day, as you do the steps of the Mer-Ka-Ba, that this disk is in the proper place, and after about a week it will remain there.

4. A reversed-spin field.
Various mistaken understandings could cause a reversed-spin field for the Mer-Ka-Ba. In other words, instead of the mind tetrahedrons spinning to the left (from within the body) at the rate of 34 and the emotional tetrahedrons spinning to the right (from within the body) at the rate of 21, the speed ratio is reversed. By this we mean, the mind moves at 21 and the emotional at 34- No matter how you arrive at this state, it is very dangerous. A reversed field is antilife. If you do this long enough, it will almost surely result in sickness or even death. The solution is simple—just correct it.

But when you correct the field, it is like scarring all over again to create a permanent field. To be very clear, since this is extremely important, we will give these instructions again: From within the body looking out, and from a point in front of the body as the point of reference, the mind tetrahedron moves to the left 34 times while the emotional tetrahedron moves to the right 21 rimes.

5. Seeing yourself in a set of small star tetrahedrons in front of and outside of your body.
If you see yourself in a small star tetrahedron in the space in front of your body.this will not create the Mer-Ka-Ba. Your mind must connect with the real energy field of the star tetrahedrons. You must see yourself inside the center of the real field that exists around your body. You can see this field or you can sense or feel it. It does not matter, for either way will connect the mind to the lightbody.

9. The other senses.
To be clear, it is not only color or sight, but all the five human senses (eventually some senses that you may now not be aware of) that will begin to interact within your Mer-Ka-Ba. Do not be afraid, just relax and allow it to happen. It is completely healthy. Beyond the colors and images, you may begin to hear sounds, voices or even music or harmonics. You may smell fragrances, feel touches or sensations from somewhere or someone and even experience tastes in your mouth. You may even begin to see in a new and unexpected way that does not seem to be coming from your eyes. You are awakening to life! Have fun, for this is a new world beginning to emerge, and you are a child.

10. Feelings and emotions.
Feelings and emotions play an enormous role in the experience of the Mer-Ka-Ba. It is the female emotional body that brings the Mer-Ka-Ba to life, not just the male knowledge of how to create it. To begin to understand what is being said, study the stargate breath pattern in update 5, page 350 and also Figures 18-1 and 18-2 on page 441, and live it within your Mer-Ka-Ba. Just so you know, there are many other stargate patterns, but every one I know of all have love and truth as part of their pattern. You know this information. As you live and feel how emotions and feelings engage within the Mer-Ka-Ba field, you will remember. Experiment.

11. Sexual energy.
Sexual energy is primary to the Mer-Ka-Ba on this level and within human consciousness. The full knowledge of Egyptian tantra is too complex to transmit at this time and is not necessary. The only aspect of Egyptian tantra that is necessary to understand is what is called ankhing, which is described in chapter 12 [page 333].
If you no longer use sexual energy, then do not be concerned with that section, and continue.

The Acceleration of Spirit in Matter
The following is a very important issue that must be discussed. Because of the nature of the subjects we have talked about in this book, many of you may experience emotional releases after experiencing the Mer-Ka-Ba. If you do, it is normal. I know that we talked about this before, but I would like to say it again since it is so important. When you start the breathing, and the prana flow begins again after 13,000 years of not functioning, higher self may begin to take control of your life and purify it. By this I mean that persons, places and things in your life that were blocking spiritual development will often leave you. At first this seems like a loss or a negative.

But when your new life comes into focus, you will see why certain things had to change. Do not be afraid during this transitional period. God and your higher self are watching over you. The degree to which you experience this transition will depend on how clean and unattached your life is now. It's like when you take a medicine. At first you may appear to be getting more unhealthy as the disease comes out of your body. How long the transition takes depends on how sick you were in the first place.
Of course, once it is out, you feel and live a much healthier life".

PathWalker
20th February 2011, 16:48
Just wanted to let you know there are more recent interviews with druvalo here:

Video Part I: Dimensions and Angels
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Video Part II: What is next in our Rapid Evolution?
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Video Part III: The Importance of Being in our Heart NOW
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Snowbird
26th February 2011, 22:00
I'm going to have to return to this series to watch and listen again. Much of what Drunvalo is explaining here is in our near future, but much of what he is explaining is complicated.

This future he speaks of is very near.

Take from this series what resonates within you, as if you are standing before a buffet, and simply leave the rest on the table.



(Part 1/3) Dimensions & Angels - Drunvalo Melchizedek, Sedona, AZ on 01-24-11

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6aGCmoWtgY&feature=relmfu

MariaDine
27th February 2011, 20:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6aGCmoWtgY


Namasté

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DWJU2rOXJE part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDyisZ9xrZg part 3

StephenW11UK
28th February 2011, 00:03
MariaDine,

Thank you so much. This interview has added much to all the fascinating information provided us in the plasma beings interview by Lilou.

Also, can you direct me to practical methods of developing a heart consciousness...to knowing that we are feeling from the heart and not from the head?

With love, Stephen.

MariaDine
28th February 2011, 00:36
Hello Stephen !:)

From my experience (I do it) this simple meditation, I post here, gives you everything you need to softly awaken your heart.
Namasté

According Jasmuheen in his book In Tune: the art of resonance, meditation is an ancient practice used for thousands of years to relax the physical body, calm the emotions, calm the mind and opening ourselves to the spiritual realms and a greater understanding .

Meditation is emptying the ego and give permission for our divinity manifest in all our bodies, cleaning them, filling them and amplifying them. Giving vent to feelings of wholeness, harmony and love.
It let the Reiki energy to flow without interference from internal or external, conscious or unconscious.
Meditation cleans, enhances and energizes the chakras and meridians, making the body a channel purest and most powerful Reiki energy.
Many scholars and yogis firmly declare that meditation is the main technique for development of Being as a whole, physical and spiritual, because the goal of meditation is the spiritual elevation through purification, which occurs in the body to spirit.
Meditation is breathing more deeply and slowly, so peaceful and pleasant.

Preparation:
- Choose a calm and quiet place, but if not possible, make the meditation anyway;
- Establish a schedule for you;
- Comfort: sit, or lie down so that your spine or any part of your body does not present pain or tightness;
- If you choose to use sound, this should be very reassuring, gentle, and at low volume;
- Give paper and pencil handy if you have any inspiration, note;
Observations on the act of Meditation:
- Never mind if you can visualize or not. Some have difficulty with that, but what really matters is the true intention of connecting with the Divine, then everything will happen, invariably;
- Ideally, your eyes should be closed;
- If some thoughts arise, do not attach to them so that they will leave because it will be transmuted, and whatever you think will receive the Divine Light which you are connected in meditation, the mind remains blank is a consequence of meditation daily, but that is not the goal because the goal is to connect to God through our consent (free will);
- If you want to transmute something into your life, just think of this thing and the Divine Presence does its part;
- Stay in this state for a minimum period of 15 minutes;
- Throughout the process you should focus on breathing, caring for her to be quiet, smooth and homogeneous, never do forced breathing, because air and energy should be asked to enter your body and not forced.
- The basic meditation should always be used before any other meditation, so you are always protected and have access to any energy by , what is called (in portuguese the »Chama Trina») the Threefold Flame .
- The Threefold Flame is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and is the most powerful energy source that we can access. You can meditate with the Flame Trina alone, but you can also add the presence of beings of Light during meditation. (Call for your life guide or/and your reiki guides (if you are a reikian).
Meditation is access to the inner realms, and simply learn to tune into other frequencies of energy. So you can practice with easy access. Choose what you want and not want for yourself and create.
The key to switch to other channels is a sincere heart, the desire for knowledge and persistence. This comes with discipline and dedication. Initiation in Reiki brings easier access to deep meditation.
Meditation provides:
- Tuning;
- Intensification or opening to the inner guidance or inner guide;
- Deprogramming and reprogramming (DNA, mind, emotions, etc.);
- Access to our inner vision and the Divine Mother;
- Access to the memory cell;
- Experience of unconditional love, joy and happiness;
- Access to our divine origin and cosmic;
- Access to our Akassic Records (records of previous lives);
- Elevation to higher dimensions of spiritual light;
- Direct contact with beings of Light

1 - Imagine a three-sided pyramid tip eat up around your body and another with the tip down, both united by their bases, so you are right in the center of this geometric figure.

3 - Imagine a Threefold Flame in the center of your heart.
It consists of the Blue Flame, the Divine Power, Golden Flame, the Divine Wisdom and Pink Flame of Unconditional Love.

4 - Ask the Sacred Flame to lead you toward your spiritual evolution, healing, learning and unconditional love.

5 - Take a deeper study of meditation, breathing and relaxing more and more;

6 - Expand your awareness of other plans for higher-dimensional universe, tune in to the cosmos;

7 - Remember to return in a timely manner to the earth plane to accomplish its divine mission. :)

Bon voyage!


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Annacarl
2nd March 2011, 20:31
Thank you for this thread. I personally find Drunvalo refreshing and his message is positive which is refreshing after months of searching. Reading and listening to lots of different stuff. I have been getting his newsletter for awhile and like it. In on of his youtube videos with Lilou in 2010 he speaks of working a bit with the government. This caused me to question the material as in the immaturity of my search for the truth I was convinced that no positive help was coming from them. I love that his work is done from each of us individually. So much more control!! I think I have fallen into the trap of listening to others instead of going within to find my truth. Would love to discuss his theories more. Any takers?
Anna

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Mods I found that there are two threads on this guy. You might want to merge them. Last night I did a search on him and found nothing. Must have been doing it wrong. Anyway I was starting a new thread and found that there were already two. Thanks!!

shiva777
2nd March 2011, 20:38
Drunvalo is a mouthpiece for the Melchizedeks who are FALLEN..he promotes the distorted geometries,FALSE physicAL POLE SHIFT agendas,false ascension matrix and astral "heart" experiences..a very clever and deceptive mouthpiece for those "love,light and clueless" promoting entities who lie at the very supertficial HEART of the new-age escapist religion...lots of his info is ,of course.correct ,,thats how disinfo agents suck people in...people want to believe his info so much because it sounds so good and most of all EASY...

Patrikas
2nd March 2011, 20:43
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Annacarl
3rd March 2011, 00:00
Help me with the "Fallen". I know nothing about the New Age movement. Although I do meditate and do not consider that to be connected with any movement or religion. Thanks for the info.
Anna

AlkaMyst
3rd March 2011, 02:56
Thank you so much for this MariaDine, I really needed this right now!!!

Check this other ones.....Great stuff!

Part-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaRBryUMV8

Part-2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZsJrY1aW3g&feature=related

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

Victoria Tintagel
20th March 2011, 12:12
http://spiritofmaat.com/dec10/images/aspiro_life_dec10_large.jpg

Thank you, Snowbird, for the thread and this:

Take from this series what resonates within you, as if you are standing before a buffet, and simply leave the rest on the table.
That's how I feel this too, exactly, such a wonderful 3D approach :) very leveled. The following link is an mp3 audio interview,
which I love to post here for our tablecompanions :) The quote belongs to the link and shows the relevance with this thread, here's the site: www.funfactory.spruz.com Be in grace, Victoria Tintagel

http://spiritofmaat.com/dec10/Cyrilla_Gallagher_Drunvalo_Melchizedek_nov2010.mp3


To celebrate the season, and as a special gift to all of you, Cyrilla invited Drunvalo Melchizedek to join her on the show this month. In an hour long interview, the man who needs no introduction covers the Great Shift, the ascension phenomenon, the Mayan prophecies, and the news on the thousands of recently discovered Codices that will hopefully give us a clearer understanding of what it means to be alive at this time. Portions of the conversation tie all of the above in with the Extraterrestrial presence and the extent to which our Star Brothers are here to guide us through the End Times and ease our transition into Unity Consciousness. You will also hear what Drunvalo has to say about the Inner Terrestrials and the importance of their role at this stage of the game. If you think you’ve heard it all, guess again! We invite you to tune in to a totally wonderful, enlightening, and mind blowing hour with one of the most amazing men on the planet.

Victoria Tintagel
20th March 2011, 12:34
http://spiritofmaat.com/dec10/images/aspiro_life_dec10_large.jpg

New Audio Interview with Drunvalo
2010 December 3
Aspiro Life
Always a welcome surprise: Cyrilla Gallagher interviews Drunvalo Melchizedek. 55 min. Go to this URL:
http://spiritofmaat.com/dec10/Cyrilla_Gallagher_Drunvalo_Melchizedek_nov2010.mp3
Origin: http://www.funfactory.spruz.com

Hey Avaloneans, this post is also in the recent thread of Snowbird's interview series with Drunvalo and Cyrilla Callagher.
Decided to place it here too, for its relevance with this thread and nearby future events. Do you feel time is becoming fluid? :)
Be in grace, Victoria Tintagel.

Darla Ken Pearce
7th August 2011, 20:50
This was news to me about Plasma Beings, it may be dated for some of you but very exciting for those of us who haven't heard about Drunvalo's experience! And please just excuse me for one moment ~ as I jump with joy up and down a few times and say, "Woo Woo!" Okay. Thanks! Now I can go back to emptying cat litter boxes and stuff. Big smile. xoxox

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Spellbound
7th August 2011, 20:56
Many thx Darla. I wish Bill or Kerry (or both) would interview this guy.

apogeediva
10th November 2011, 16:34
I only recently started reading Drunvalo's books about the Flower of Life meditation. I was thrilled and looking forward to practice it, until I came on a link by Bob Dratch.

Bob worked, amongst others, with Slim Spurling to develop the Environment CD that expands SS's Harmonizer from a few feet to several miles. He has put some of his works available for free at:

http://dhri.com/enviros.htm

I don't have SS Environmental CD, so can't comment if it's the same the above download.

According to Bob at:

http://bob-dratch.org/BeamerTetra.htm

The merkaba is basically an interlocked Tetrahedron - the sign of the beast!

That got me really concerned! Could it be that the angels that taught Drunvalo the Flower of Life meditation were the devil in disguise???

I'm a bit worried and re-considering whether I should practice the Flower of Life meditation now...

Arrowwind
10th November 2011, 16:44
The merkaba is basically an interlocked Tetrahedron - the sign of the beast!

That got me really concerned! Could it be that the angels that taught Drunvalo the Flower of Life meditation were the devil in disguise???

I'm a bit worried and re-considering whether I should practice the Flower of Life meditation now...



Give me a break. could you possibly be serious?

Nani
10th November 2011, 17:17
"So he wants people to meditate and such and go through ascension into greater beings, and become one with the Christ consciousness grid. Wait, what the hell is that?"
Taken from Shiva777 link of disclose.tv.

Como on Shiva777...... how you give your trust in a person who publishes that!

apogeediva
10th November 2011, 20:42
The merkaba is basically an interlocked Tetrahedron - the sign of the beast!

That got me really concerned! Could it be that the angels that taught Drunvalo the Flower of Life meditation were the devil in disguise???

I'm a bit worried and re-considering whether I should practice the Flower of Life meditation now...



Give me a break. could you possibly be serious?

I haven't practiced this meditation and was planning to.

Right now, I don't know which is true - Drunvalo or Bob Drath?

Some feedback from the members who have more experience would be most welcome.

christian
10th November 2011, 20:56
The merkaba is basically an interlocked Tetrahedron - the sign of the beast!

That got me really concerned! Could it be that the angels that taught Drunvalo the Flower of Life meditation were the devil in disguise???

I'm a bit worried and re-considering whether I should practice the Flower of Life meditation now...

http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/Mandalas/CX4814.gif

The Merkaba tetrahedrons fit perfectly into the Flower of Life / Metatron's Cube. Don't condemn corn, just because you've seen George Bush eat it.

http://www.clotureclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/george-bush-eating-corn.jpg

I'm doing the Merkaba Meditation since about a year and I feel good - not that I didn't feel good before that.

Arrowwind
11th November 2011, 04:30
The Merkaba tetrahedrons fit perfectly into the Flower of Life / Metatron's Cube. Don't condemn corn, just because you've seen George Bush eat it.

http://www.clotureclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/george-bush-eating-corn.jpg
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OMG! George Bush eats corn, and I planted a whole field of it this year!
I froze it and put it in the freezer.
Do you think I should burn it?

mountain_jim
11th November 2011, 13:26
Our whole universe is organized via sacred geometric forms. Read Wilcock's new Source Vibrations to get a handle on the basics of science supporting this , as well as Drunval getting deeper into things.

I seriously question whether the motivations of the one who brings us this 'beast' issue/query to this forum - cognitive dissonance stirrer-upper?

In any case, have no fear, for fear is the mind-killer.

redlotus
11th November 2011, 23:58
In my humble opnion, the great numbers of those Indigo children in China and Romania are the returned ancient Ancestors who built pyramids all over this planet. (And planted the seeds of culture, agriculture, language, etc...at least as early as 17,000 BC). They are here again to oversee the Ascension process of Mother Earth. It makes NO difference if we are in an organic or inorganic hologram. Mother Earth is currently vibrating at the Indigo light spectrum, and so are they. Their combined energies move this proccess forward. This process can not be blocked, halted or diminished, no matter who or what is opposing this Reality...They are mainly here to check on their work, and are able to access 5D energies, to help anchor it into our Earth...

(just my 2 cents: I have a Knowing of this, as I am an older Indigo, myself...:rapture: )

Billy
22nd December 2011, 23:10
I would like to share two interviews with Drunvalo i have listened to this last couple of weeks. One is a exopolitics video the the other is a radio broadcast by Rysa of the goldring community. In both interviews Drunvalo speaks about the Mayan end times and the coming of the divine feminine.

Enjoy

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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/rysa/2011/12/15/game-of-spiritual-enlightenment--the-goldring?utm_source=BTRemail&utm_medium=ShowReminder

Blessed Solstice everyone.

Billy
23rd December 2011, 01:33
I found a wee snippet of news. I Thought i would add this here. :peace:

1,100-year-old Mayan ruins found in North Georgia


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/22/1100-year-old-mayan-ruins-found-in-north-georgia/

Archaeologists have discovered the ruins of an ancient Mayan city in the mountains of North Georgia believed to be at least 1,100 years old. According to Richard Thornton at Examiner.com, the ruins are reportedly what remains of a city built by Mayans fleeing wars, volcanic eruptions, droughts and famine.

In 1999, University of Georgia archeologist Mark Williams led an expedition to investigate the Kenimer Mound, a large, five-sided pyramid built in approximately 900 A.D. in the foothills of Georgia’s tallest mountain, Brasstown Bald. Many local residents has assumed for years that the pyramid was just another wooded hill, but in fact it was a structure built on an existing hill in a method common to Mayans living in Central America as well as to Southeastern Native American tribes.

Speculation has abounded for years as to what could have happened to the people who lived in the great Meso-American societies of the first century. Some historians believed that they simply died out in plagues and food shortages, but others have long speculated about the possibility of mass migration to other regions.

When evidence began to turn up of Mayan connections to the Georgia site, South African archeologist Johannes Loubser brought teams to the site who took soil samples and analyzed pottery shards which dated the site and indicated that it had been inhabited for many decades approximately 1000 years ago. The people who settled there were known as Itza Maya, a word that carried over into the Cherokee language of the region.

The city that is being uncovered there is believed to have been called Yupaha, which Spanish explorer Hernando de Soto searched for unsuccessfully in 1540. So far, archeologists have unearthed “at least 154 stone masonry walls for agricultural terraces, plus evidence of a sophisticated irrigation system and ruins of several other stone structures.” Much more may still be hidden underground.

The find is particularly relevant in that it establishes specific links between the culture of Southeastern Native Americans and ancient Mayans. According to Thornton, it may be the “most important archeological discovery in recent times.”

UPDATE: Raw Story contacted another UGA Scientist, who preferred to remain anonymous, who indicated that, while it is unlikely that the Mayan people migrated en masse from Central America to settle in what is now the United States, he refused to characterize Thornton’s conclusions as “wrong,” stating that it is entirely possible that some Mayans and their descendants migrated north, bringing Mayan building and agricultural techniques to the Southeastern U.S. as they potentially integrated with the existing indigenous people there.

Star Tsar
24th December 2011, 08:38
I wonder what this "event" will be....

PathWalker
14th April 2012, 10:48
This is a new interview with Drunvalo. About the indigenous people their wisdom and message.
At the last 10 min, a powerful message of hope and encouragement to humanity.

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I got very emotional watching this. They both (I know them personally) got very deep into my heart.

Hope you feel the message, more then understand it.

Love
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

Rantaak
4th June 2012, 22:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ix149wD_IU

onawah
8th July 2012, 22:24
Drunvalo Melchizedek - Hours 1& 2 - The Mayan Ouroboros July 7, 2012, Red Ice Creations

(I found the second part on youtube, so the following is the link for the complete presentation.)

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Drunvalo is the author of five books including The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life, Volumes I & II, Living in the Heart, Serpent of Light and his newest one The Mayan Ouroboros. Drunvalo is the first person in the world (in modern times) to mathematically and geometrically define the human body light body called in ancient times the Mer-Ka-Ba. He is the founder of the Flower of Life Facilitators that have been teaching his work in over 60 countries. He joins us to discuss the end of the Mayan Calendar and what the Earth is leading into as one cycle closes and another begins. Melchizedek tells us about a transformation on Earth that will take place, unlike any other. We’ll experience physical, spiritual and frequency changes as we mature and transfigure into different beings. Drunvalo also talks about the sun, crop circles, catastrophe and Atlantis.

Wind
9th July 2012, 05:03
I could listen to Drunvalo for days. He is so much full of information and love!

Debra
9th July 2012, 07:39
Thanks Onawah,

I have been listening, twice now. He is a font.

I am particularly interested in his thoughts on what *out the other end* of the transition will mean. That we will become giants :)

Hope you are well :)

Zebra

greybeard
9th July 2012, 11:59
Onawah thanks for posting this.
There seems to be a consensus of opinion that we are due a massive change in perception Dec 2012 or sometime in the near future..
Dolores Cannon-- David Sereda--- David Wilcock--Astral Walker--- Eckhart Tolle -- Dr David Hawkins--many others in subtly different ways are pointing to this.
So many "ordinary" people are aware of the Mayan calender and other pointers that perhaps there is a tipping point brought on by human expectation.
Certainly a massive amount of people are hoping for a change in the way that humans treat each other.
This expectation/desire may bring about the change one way or another.
Some of it seems far fetched but the Divine can not be limited in its creation.
Certainly the human species is evolutionary and Im sure is no where near its peak of potential.
Only a small part of the brain and DNA is currently active so our potential is great.

Chris

Rantaak
9th July 2012, 18:10
Drunvalo is a great guy! I'm so glad he's getting good publicity here.

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nearing
9th July 2012, 18:23
I have only listened to the first part and found one glaring error on his part (well, glaring to me, anyway): we are NOT entering another Yuga cycle on December 21, 2012. We are 200 years into the Dwapara Yuga and won't go into the Treta another 1500 yrs or so. Also, we aren't slated to go into the Aquarian Age for a few hundred more years or so as well.

I am intrigued by his Maya knowledge though.

vortexpoint
9th July 2012, 19:15
I have only listened to the first part and found one glaring error on his part (well, glaring to me, anyway): we are NOT entering another Yuga cycle on December 21, 2012. We are 200 years into the Dwapara Yuga and won't go into the Treta another 1500 yrs or so. Also, we aren't slated to go into the Aquarian Age for a few hundred more years or so as well.

I am intrigued by his Maya knowledge though.


Just to clarify this is according to Sri Yukteswar and pals who argued that there has been and error of magnitude in lenghts of Yugas.

You can read about this in Yukteswar's book "The Holy Science".

Also according to a contemporary Kriya master Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath, this time is not just the ending of mayan long count, there's also ending a cycle of much grander scale. According to him a cycle of 300 million years is ending and this is the cycle that a particular Manu rules the evolution of humankind. This change of Manu then ushers in the sixth root race. This transition time will take about 700 years.

onawah
10th July 2012, 00:25
For any who are not sure who Sri Yukteswar was, he was guru to Paramahansa Yogananda, who was one of the first yogis to come to the US, who started the Vedanta Society in LA and wrote the international bestseller, Autobiography of a Yogi.
see:
http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/

onawah
10th July 2012, 01:00
The part about becoming giants I don't really get.
What would be the purpose of that, I wonder, in the larger scheme of things?
Size seems to be important in matters relating the ratio between predators and prey, but I don't know why else it would be important.
Unless perhaps the idea the whole planet is expanding, and all living things with it.

I've heard a little of what Drunvalo describes as the "impossible" things that his Elder friends can do, but it would be interesting to hear an interview with Drunvalo focused on what he has witnessed along those lines.
No doubt that is not something the Elders want publicized very much, however...

The part about the sun going through huge changes that will actually change the basis of our reality is what I find most interesting.
The Mayans say there will be a new Sun, though what I gather they mean from this is that the old Sun will be transformed into something very different.
And that, of course, would have a radical effect on all of life on this planet.

The switch from carbon base to crystalline is another possibility that I find intriguing.
Tyberonn talks about that a lot in his channeled messages, along with building a power grid using crystals as the energy source, such as was used in Atlantis.

We certainly are seeing some remarkable events on the Sun these days, no question, and it could be just the beginning.
The indigenous Elders' prophecies do have a way of coming true, if we can just understand what it is they are saying, in our venacular...

(I am doing well, Zebra. Thanks for asking.:hug: More rain here would be nice, though! :rain: How are you?)




Thanks Onawah,

I have been listening, twice now. He is a font.

I am particularly interested in his thoughts on what *out the other end* of the transition will mean. That we will become giants :)

Hope you are well :)

Zebra

Realeyes
10th July 2012, 09:13
I found this a most interesting interview, and really pleased I listened to all of it, it gave me much hope for our Future.

I was about to send this link out to friends, but sadly see today this link is no longer available on youtube.

Finefeather
10th July 2012, 14:09
Hi to All
It is not my intention to criticise anyone's beliefs but I would like to know if you have ever thought about the validity of Drunvalo's information.
My research and the knowledge I have, regarding much of the stuff he claims and puts out there as fact, indicates that he is a major fraud!
There are so many statements he makes that IMO are just plain and utter nonsense that it would be a major exercise to place this all down here.
There are many 100s if not 1000s of people out there who say he is the real deal, but this is not to say he really is as many in the world have been fooled by clever manipulation of information by people with dubious motives.
I would offer you the following links and Videos for your own research, but need to say that you should not just skim over this and you should visit all the sub links and videos to get the full impact.
I would also like to state that it is not my intention to hurt him personally in any way, he is still after all from the One, my only intention is to get to the truth.
My inner feeling is that this is a major attempt to sidetrack those who are new seekers or younger souls and he is doing a pretty good job at it.
They always say follow the money and his fees are very high, just for starters, just read what White Buffalo Calf Woman has to say about him in one of the links.
If anyone can convince me that I am wrong about this, I will be more than willing to apologise to him publicly.
Here are just a few links I have for your consideration:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2732.0;wap2
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/drunvalo-melchizedek-confirmed-disinformation-t29948.html
http://eldersmigrationvoice.blogspot.com/2009/07/drunvalo-fraudulent-melchizedek.html
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44064

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=_wVuAO06tY0

Finefeather
10th July 2012, 14:17
I was about to send this link out to friends, but sadly see today this link is no longer available on youtube.

I always wonder why these videos just vanish into thin air, I know for a fact that David Wilcock has pulled many of his videos off after he realises that what he is saying is a bit over the top.

onawah
10th July 2012, 15:08
I have doubts about Drunvalo's authenticity myself, but I don't think he is a total phony or fraud because he is disseminating and correlating information from many sources which most likely are authentic, like David Wilcock, though Drunvalo stays away from most conspiracy info and sticks to the spiritual for the most part, so I think Wilcock is the one who suffers from that comparison.

From many accounts, Drunvalo actually has had meetings and done ceremony with indigenous Elders, and if he was the complete fraud that some claim he is, I doubt that the Elders would have anything to do with him.

I'm not defending his lapses, but he is positively oriented and not a fear monger, at least.
He doesn't dwell on the negative, and IMHO, that is pretty important.

It is possible to find detractors and debunkers for any person in this field of work, so when it comes down to it, we all just have to rely on our own discernment when sorting fact from fiction.

donk
10th July 2012, 15:10
I always wonder why these videos just vanish into thin air,

Henrik Palmgren gives the first hour of his interviews for free on his site, the second hour is for subscribers.

The site and interviews are great: www.redicecreations.com (http://www.redicecreations.com/about.php)

Most of the hour 1's are out on youtube, whenever the 2nd hour is included you got to watch it quick (or report it :o) as it gets taken down relatively quickly, i was surprised as I have only caught one "hour 2" (I think Tellinger, maybe) and remember it being real good (enough to subscribe if I had the loot).

I know there's many here that don't like when people charge, but I'm pretty sure it is tons of work and don't think the dude is swimming in money--I enjoy his style and he gets sick guests...peace

Wind
10th July 2012, 15:19
I see sympathy in his eyes. Unlike mouth, eyes never cannot lie, not to me.

Rahkyt
10th July 2012, 15:27
I've also heard a lot about Drunvalo being fake and I've seen a lot of people attempting to debunk him. IMHO, many of those people are just trying to make their reps on an established figure. A lot of it, imho, is disinformation sown by people who are paid to do so.

He's been out there for a loooong time, teaching this stuff for 30 years.

The Mayans trust him. Other indigenous folks around the world do too. That is really enuf for me.

The fact that his presentation always feels so organic and real is just icing on the cake.

vortexpoint
10th July 2012, 16:33
Hi to All
It is not my intention to criticise anyone's beliefs but I would like to know if you have ever thought about the validity of Drunvalo's information.
My research and the knowledge I have, regarding much of the stuff he claims and puts out there as fact, indicates that he is a major fraud!
There are so many statements he makes that IMO are just plain and utter nonsense that it would be a major exercise to place this all down here.
There are many 100s if not 1000s of people out there who say he is the real deal, but this is not to say he really is as many in the world have been fooled by clever manipulation of information by people with dubious motives.
I would offer you the following links and Videos for your own research, but need to say that you should not just skim over this and you should visit all the sub links and videos to get the full impact.
I would also like to state that it is not my intention to hurt him personally in any way, he is still after all from the One, my only intention is to get to the truth.
My inner feeling is that this is a major attempt to sidetrack those who are new seekers or younger souls and he is doing a pretty good job at it.
They always say follow the money and his fees are very high, just for starters, just read what White Buffalo Calf Woman has to say about him in one of the links.
If anyone can convince me that I am wrong about this, I will be more than willing to apologise to him publicly.
Here are just a few links I have for your consideration:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2732.0;wap2
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/drunvalo-melchizedek-confirmed-disinformation-t29948.html
http://eldersmigrationvoice.blogspot.com/2009/07/drunvalo-fraudulent-melchizedek.html
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44064

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=_wVuAO06tY0


I spend a good few hours reading those links. Some of those didn't have much substance beyond personal features like pointing DM's greediness some of them had something more concreate to offer. I found the info concerning Stan Tenen plagiarization interesting. Also the disclosetv page had a link to a Geoff Stray's article (http://www.realitysandwich.com/maya_eternal_time) about Drunvalo's video Maya of Eternal time which was eye opening. I have a lot of respect for Geoff Stray as a 2012 scholar. Drunvalo is loosing a lot of integrity in my books.

Finefeather
10th July 2012, 17:36
From many accounts, Drunvalo actually has had meetings and done ceremony with indigenous Elders, and if he was the complete fraud that some claim he is, I doubt that the Elders would have anything to do with him.

Can you be more specific about this statement, links would be nice.
Thanks

yuhui
10th July 2012, 18:29
@ 03:57

"but there is something else going on the world, that the indigenous people are not, they don't understand it. But the universe itself...is about to ah, all these, id, cycles are coming to an end that the Mayans are talking about. Ah, the precession of the equinox, the long count ...ah, a whole bunch of them are all hitting all at once on December 21 2012. But during that same period, or a window of time that the Mayans talk about...which is a few years on either side, ah, there is another cycle that is ending that is huge, it as big as is possible. It is the entire, it is THE BEGINNING AND END OF THIS UNIVERSE. This universe, all that we know of it. WILL NOT EXIST VERY SOON."


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onawah
10th July 2012, 19:52
OK, here are some links
I am not a big follower of Drunvalo, so I didn't have a lot of links right at hand to share, but I did some searching and found these, which I think help to authenticate his connections with the Indigenous Elders.
I haven't yet heard any reports about what happened at the June 2012 event, but I expect those will emerge soon.
These first links describe what that was planned to be about:
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This is a link for the event that Yellow Bird invited Drunvalo to:
http://indigenousnativeamericans.com/
Here is an article written by Cal Garrison, whose articles frequently appear on Drunvalos' ezine, SpiritofMaat
http://indigenousnativeamericans.com/?page_id=386
same article here:
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/may12/dawn_of_the_new_time_gathering.html

Another event that Drunvalo participated in that featured Indigneous Elders,, along with crystal skulls
http://www.drunvalo.net/events.php?eve=82

Another event on Easter Island and Moorea:
http://www.pranalight.de/travel_drunvalo_polynesia.htm
At this link, you can see the full presentation Birth of a New Humanity, where Drunvalo describes what happened on the Easter Island and Moorea pilgrimage:
http://www.onesoulmessage.org/
(Go to the link, then do a search on the site for Drunvalo)
This last presentation was the most convincing of all Drunvalo's I have seen, the second half to be precise.

Rahkyt
10th July 2012, 20:08
It is the entire, it is THE BEGINNING AND END OF THIS UNIVERSE. This universe, all that we know of it. WILL NOT EXIST VERY SOON."


He mentioned this also in the new Red Ice interview. I have no idea what he meant by it as I've never heard anyone say this before.

greybeard
10th July 2012, 20:29
It is the entire, it is THE BEGINNING AND END OF THIS UNIVERSE. This universe, all that we know of it. WILL NOT EXIST VERY SOON."


He mentioned this also in the new Red Ice interview. I have no idea what he meant by it as I've never heard anyone say this before.

I think it is in the vedic that this is called the out breath and in breath of God.
Not to worry the spiritual texts also say we are eternal.
Ramana, Nasargadtta and many others have said we existed before creation and will exist after dissolution.
Nasargadatta says "Ask where you were before birth"
He says he is the unborn.
We are just the in-dweller-- not the body.

There is a lot in the talk but the important thing for me is trust in God and all will be well---thats it.
If we end up 4th dimensional beings, great.
Im all for an adventure.

Chris

onawah
10th July 2012, 21:04
I think it's like the prophecy that there will be a new Sun.
It will be the transformed Sun, as it will be a transformed Universe.
He and the Elders have said many times that the Shift is not the end of life, but the beginning of a new cycle of life



It is the entire, it is THE BEGINNING AND END OF THIS UNIVERSE. This universe, all that we know of it. WILL NOT EXIST VERY SOON."


He mentioned this also in the new Red Ice interview. I have no idea what he meant by it as I've never heard anyone say this before.

noxon medem
23rd July 2012, 19:56
I have only listened to the first part and found one glaring error on his part (well, glaring to me, anyway): we are NOT entering another Yuga cycle on December 21, 2012. We are 200 years into the Dwapara Yuga and won't go into the Treta another 1500 yrs or so. Also, we aren't slated to go into the Aquarian Age for a few hundred more years or so as well.

I am intrigued by his Maya knowledge though.

- Knowledge !?!

WTF is " Knowledge" ?

And, Intrigued , what the f...
Dont you know

how

- Or, Maybe ..
Do You , now ...
( know )

..
-

( Thank you for the
inspiration, though :- )

nearing
24th July 2012, 03:05
I have only listened to the first part and found one glaring error on his part (well, glaring to me, anyway): we are NOT entering another Yuga cycle on December 21, 2012. We are 200 years into the Dwapara Yuga and won't go into the Treta another 1500 yrs or so. Also, we aren't slated to go into the Aquarian Age for a few hundred more years or so as well.

I am intrigued by his Maya knowledge though.

- Knowledge !?!

WTF is " Knowledge" ?

And, Intrigued , what the f...
Dont you know

how

- Or, Maybe ..
Do You , now ...
( know )

..
-

( Thank you for the
inspiration, though :- )

I like psychedelic medicinals too! :flypig:

PathWalker
24th July 2012, 07:11
Here is a collection of the last 5 Q&A episodes with Drunvalo. I posted on this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44575-Ascension-Q-A-with-Drunvalo

To MHO the most informative about the Merkaba is Episode 4.
And most important teaching is about the tiny sacred space in the heart.
The teaching about the sacred space in the heart is considered ultra secret by indigenous and mystic teachings all over the world.

The human power is in creation from the heart space. The most locked secret all over the world for ages is the human power and potential to create.

If you refuse it you will not get it. As simple as that.

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And here is the important audio where he explains ascension, resurrection and dieing.
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jackovesk
24th July 2012, 08:58
I'll plead the 5th...:)

I'm too :scared: to see what would happen if I did give my POV on Mr. Drunvalo Melchizedek ...:pound:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=118AqVJxNqU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=118AqVJxNqU

gooty64
23rd August 2012, 02:03
Would have posted info on topic here but, thread was crapped on by Jack. Why bother posting next to wolf attack video?:(

christian
23rd August 2012, 11:46
Would have posted info on topic here but, thread was crapped on by Jack. Why bother posting next to wolf attack video?:(

"Would have done something constructive, but this world has been crapped on by a bunch of psychopaths. Why bother doing something in a world full of atrocities?"


I'll plead the 5th...:)

I'm too :scared: to see what would happen if I did give my POV on Mr. Drunvalo Melchizedek ...:pound:

Don't be scared :)

Finefeather
23rd August 2012, 12:01
I'll plead the 5th...:)

I'm too :scared: to see what would happen if I did give my POV on Mr. Drunvalo Melchizedek ...:pound:



Still waiting ! :( and right by your side :popcorn:

gooty64
23rd August 2012, 15:04
Not scared :) Christian. But it is ****ing annoying!:mad2:



Would have posted info on topic here but, thread was crapped on by Jack. Why bother posting next to wolf attack video?:(

"Would have done something constructive, but this world has been crapped on by a bunch of psychopaths. Why bother doing something in a world full of atrocities?"


I'll plead the 5th...:)

I'm too :scared: to see what would happen if I did give my POV on Mr. Drunvalo Melchizedek ...:pound:

Don't be scared :)

gooty64
23rd August 2012, 15:14
Finefeather, what are you waiting for?
Proof of Drunvalo in ceremonies with native Americans where they don't allow cameras in?
Or are you waiting for the rest of Jack's reply
I'll plead the 5th... reply to go along with his lovely video?

Regardless, I would be willing to share my experience at the 4-day Awakening the Illuminated Heart workshop created by Drunvalo Melchizedek that I am attending this weekend when I get home. And if it turns out the message is evil and Drunvalo is a shapeshifting reptilian, a saint, or somewhere in between I will be willing to share it all- one way or the 'nother.:hippie:






I'll plead the 5th...:)

I'm too :scared: to see what would happen if I did give my POV on Mr. Drunvalo Melchizedek ...:pound:



Still waiting ! :( and right by your side :popcorn:

PathWalker
23rd August 2012, 22:17
Here is the Episode 6, with remarkable new information.
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nomadguy
24th August 2012, 06:38
jumping back in time a little,
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2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63yJz4syfE
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zQr6nyprfo
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KNqaTN1Wtc
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B85Jf9UkWuw

note: I have never resonated with Drunvalo and I still don't, not sure why. He seems to mean well and all that... Anyway this discussion I find interesting.

gooty64
4th September 2012, 19:59
I participated in the Awakening The Illuminated Heart workshop last weekend. It was quite an experience and I learned some valuable techniques and meditations in the ATIH workshop.

If there are members here on Avalon that would be interested in forming a small group regarding the teachings of Drunvalo M. I would like that.

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PathWalker
26th December 2013, 22:00
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Originally aired on Wednesday December 11th at 8:00 am Members of the School of Remembering™ participated in a one on one live Q&A session.

Drunvalo and members of his global school communicate live and learn why his work is changing the consciousness movement. This marks the next generation of connecting this global teacher to students of his work on the new live Google Hangouts on Air platform.

The event was sponsored and attended by the Members of the School of Remembering who have now released the video free to watch and open to everyone in the world.

Billy
27th December 2013, 00:46
Sometimes i wish i could watch videos. Bookmarked to download later.

peace

naste.de.lumina
27th December 2013, 02:15
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white wizard
27th December 2013, 04:46
just so people are aware this guy has been wrong on a lot such as 2012 just

a heads up.

:ranger:

TODD & NORA
27th December 2013, 05:39
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Wind
27th December 2013, 08:32
just so people are aware this guy has been wrong on a lot such as 2012 just

a heads up.

:ranger:

According to Drunvalo's words the window of great change lasts until the year 2016. I don't think that he was ever advocating the 2012, or was he? What I've been told there will be a massive awakening in the next 10 years and perhaps a global (r)evolution, but in the long run there will be also many earth changes which are inevitable. The cabal has their dirty tricks, but humanity still has a chance. United we stand, divided we fall.

TODD & NORA
27th December 2013, 16:51
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TODD & NORA
27th December 2013, 17:27
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PathWalker
25th January 2014, 09:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=852HZ0tei2E
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I was in tears around the last part about ascension. It clicked and triggered me.

Due to immature tech glitches start watching @ 07:30min.

Joy and happiness
PathWalker

PathWalker
5th February 2014, 17:08
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Q1: What life is like after ascension to 4th density?
Q2: About geographical physical history of Antarctica, and Gaia chakra centers locations.
Q3: When in transition process to 4th density, how to handle emotional connection to beloved ones (fear/dependency/responsibility).
Q4: Does physical/body death is required for ascension?
Q5: About the last 90 degree turn meditation that liberates us from this creation/universe. When will you expose it public (currently available only to workshop graduates)?
Q6: What are the attributes connection/effect of south America Kundolini center to the world turmoils?

8Adamas8
5th February 2014, 22:38
:frusty::frusty::frusty:

Mandala
6th February 2014, 05:29
Thank you, I always appreciate new opinions.

PathWalker
13th April 2014, 08:35
For Drunvalo fans and the uninitiated.
Good stuff, Passover present for the public (Drunvalo is not Jewish - It is a synchronicity).
1. About twin souls / soul mates
2. Meditation practice for real day experience
3. Importance of spiritual language
4. Letting go craving for ascension, as means to ascension. Choosing spiritual path.
5. About ascending duality, and merging into unity conscious (not beehive mentality)
6. Finishing your earthly chores and progressing beyond human experience.
7. Unifying science and spirituality, Birkeland currents
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lysander
16th April 2014, 19:23
This 'last 90 degree turn' he talks about seems interesting indeed.. he describes as going fro the 3rd to 4th dimension.

Be interested to know if anyone here has any experience with this in particular.

Delight
16th April 2014, 23:30
I hope it is appropriate to post this here.
DM gave the Earth Sky Heart Workshop in 2011

I found it online on the community Internet archive.
It is really interesting and seems relevant to me as it is focused on the heart....may be good for others who gravitate to his information. The links are all on the bottom of the page.
I clicked on the OGG links and pulled up the videos.

https://archive.org/details/DrunvaloMelchizedekEarthSkyHeartWorkshop2011

PathWalker
15th May 2014, 11:12
Greeting readers,

Following our discussion about consciousness and evolution.
Please watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_qHDADs82A
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If it is too much for you to absorb, watch it few times. The reality Drunvalo describes is a suggestion for his belief system.
Your reality is defined by your belief system (he says that as well).

When I watched this video I was excited to tears 3 times. I felt what he talks about.
I feel this video is one of the best public interviews he made public.

BTW, I attended Drunvalo workshops in 2007 and 2012. I distinguish Drunvalo among world spiritual masters.

Good luck in your/our path.

PathWalker
15th October 2014, 14:35
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Some breaking and exciting news.
Best time ever to live on the planet.

Topics:
- The paradoxical magnetic field emanating from the human heart.
- The time windows for ascension controlled by mother earth
- Human conscious shift after 2nd half 2015
- Human conscious shift will happens very fast
- Heading for reconnecting earth consciousness with universal consciousness @15:10
- Enabling humans to connect to any conscious creation
- Higher level of existing in physical body @20:45
- Value to mother earth
- Brotherhood of seven rays in Bolivia
- Polarity union @27:40 end to pain, struggle, sex
- "If you are not floating of the ground, you are not doing it" @32:00
- CME is a planetary sex act
- "Once one person knows, everyone knows" @37:50
- Connection with 4th dimensional beings @39:00
- The pleiadens ascension process, tied with humans ascension process
- Shortcut to ascension process
- We are in 4th dimension, thinking we are in 3rd dimension
- We have about 16 months max
- HeartMath are going through the same path
- Healing @48
- Diet Supplements
- Earth mineral depletion
- Regression therapy to illness
- Soul retrieval@52:30
- Drunvalo mission on earth @57:00
- Healer John Sweeny, teaching how to heal
- Chi-Kong, the best healing technique
- Divine feminine in every each person @59:00
- Divine feminine suppressed