Whats going to kill us (or not)

[samvado]

A number of scenarios have come up the last few years, which i would like to look at and if possible evaluate for probability and impact.

1) The "dark star" - thats the Deagle thing, you can read about it in Bill Ryans thread.
2) The galactic superwave (http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html)
3) The next Iceage (http://www.iceagenow.com/)
4) Total financial collaps - superinflation on a global scale
5) The "local" dust cloud (local to the solar system)
6) Global warming as explained by Wilcock (not by Al Gore)
7) The PTB chipping/fascist global state
8) Nuclear war (The Iran/China/USA/Russia scenario aka Anglo-saxon-mission)
9) Release of chemical/biological agents (by chemtrails or vaccination)
10) Artificial intelligence takes over (Terminator scenario)
11) STS Aliens take over
12) Runaway nanotech turn us into grey goo
13) The sun gets spiked by an electric-universe-type discharge and fries earth
14) Global warming releases the oceanic methan reservoires which leads to runaway greehouse resulting in a venus like scenario
15) some asteroid we overlooked sends us the way of the dinos (did you know the size of los angeles is enough to wipe all life off the earth?)
16) A CME fries the comm pathways (and electric landlines) - no food or water
17) A local star turns Nova ( +200 ly radius) - and fries us
18) A hyperdimensional gateway opens permanently and lets all kinds of nasty creatures thru
(like in Reign of Fire)
19) I get enlightened and become ZEN master of the universe with the biggest stick - and you'll all live to regret it!
20) Supervolcanos blowing up (Yellowstone Caldera)

Does moving to Spain help? (not with 19 obviously)

[HORIZONS]

What about super volcanos blowing their top?

[K626]

A number of scenarios have come up the last few years, which i would like to look at and if possible evaluate for probability and impact.


19) I get enlightened and become ZEN master of the universe with the biggest stick - and you'll all live to regret it!


Does moving to Spain help? (not with the last one obviously)

This is the one we fear the most. :p

[samvado]

This is the one we fear the most. :p

no pain no gain

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What about super volcanos blowing their top?

yep, add that

[K626]

[QUOTE=samvado;12937]no pain no gain[COLOR="red"]


Luckily the likelihood of it happenning is 0. :p

[samvado]

[QUOTE=samvado;12937]no pain no gain[COLOR="red"]


Luckily the likelihood of it happenning is 0. :p

not quite, quantum-mechanically speaking

[Wood]

A few days ago I was surprised when this theme popped up while talking with a person I was not aware was into these things. She told me that she wasn't checking internet sites but she had spoken with many people about earth changes and she also does meditation. She thinks most people are going to die and that there are not going to be safe places but 'safe' people (i.e. people that is going to survive no matter what).

[HORIZONS]

I would agree that in the above scenario survival would be more about the state of consciousness of the individual rather than the place where one is - but those that have the state of consciousness needed to survive will be in the "right" place when the time arrives - if needed.

[stardustaquarion]

Ok, someone very wise said to me the other day, assuming that we have an inmortal soul, that the body is just a "dress", and that we have many "dresses" what is it more important:

1) to save the dress or
2) to learn to die properly, so when one dies one's consciousness goes to the place one wants to go rather than to some random place and worse of all, stays here to suffer yet another excruciating life/death?

:unsure::crazy_pilot:

[HORIZONS]

No need for another new dress - time to move on ~

[frank samuel]

The question that intrigues me always is, why we are not being hit more often by many of the natural catastrophes that could occur in any given day ? Think about it as far as statistics you will have to be incline to accept any of the above scenarios as science fact, yet beyond what we perceive to be science fact I am incline to use my common sense to see that there's another side to this story along the lines of the metaphysical whether we accept it as science fiction or hocus pocus we just simply cannot ignore that our planet is either incredibly lucky or maybe luck has nothing to do with it. Beyond the limited scope of our 3D perception and intellectual capacity base on the present scientific understanding of reality we have to admit there are many things that defy logic and scientific reasoning. 2012 will come and go and we will be still debating about the end of times and the statistical probabilities of the Earth survival , so far the Earth has done pretty good to take care of itself , Humans on the other hand with our egos way on the clouds have fail miserably to be constructive contributors to our environment , unless we change our habits and relationship with our natural environment it does not take a scientific genius to know, folks we are in for some rough times all courtesy of our own doing .
Overall despite the many dooms day scenarios I still remain optimistic and hopeful that the coming generations will eventually get their act together , I know the Earth would appreciate that.
Maybe I am a bit naive to look beyond the dooms day scientific probabilities or too realistic to think 2012, aliens, will not solve all our problems. We as humans have to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions and begin to implement plans not just for our survival but beyond into becoming mature enough to realistically implement solutions . We know we already have the answers to many of the problems facing us today the question is, are we ready to do what it takes ? I want to do my part and I hope that my children will do the same because we are in for a long run before it is all said and done.

Blessings to all....:crazy_pilot::wub:

[stardustaquarion]

My approach to the many catastrophes that may or may not happen is, first prepare for what is sensible to prepare and then be prepared spiritually. It is impossible to prepare for absolutely everything, never mind about how costly it can be!

The first time I bought stock food I had to chuck a lot of it because I did not like it and it went out of date. Now I only buy a little more than what I need on pulses and rice which lasts a long time and can be planted

We can prepare as much as we can but when the time comes and the hoards of people are roamming around desperate...well I don't see myself shooting anyone, do you?

Being afraid is pointless, as we are in this moment we are all going to die sonner or later. What difference it makes how one dies when one is at peace?

I certainly don't want to be a "surviver" and scrap a living here and there just to keep the body going, maybe I will never have to

Love

[samvado]

As nobody is picking this up, I will give my 2 cents in a very shortened version:

1) not a chance
2) I cant really tell how sound his model is, it would throw out most of what we now believe is true in cosmology and physics, but that has happened before, still I prefer the HEIM model which reaches farther and does integrate (somewhat) previous results. - so I dont think its real in the end ...
3) An iceage is overdue, thats what the icecores say, however, they dont always say the same thing and measurements seem to differ quite a bit.
lookig at only the last 2000 or so years we dont need icecores to see from written history that it could get very cold very fast (little iceage). - so OK, I'll give t a maybe and would definitely not relocate anywhere in the north.
4) Its overdue - but the PTB can play it any way they want. the dollar should be dead since years, but it isnt. so I dont know, could be next week or never .. I would however include it in my future plans and have reserves that make me independent of money.
5) its there, it may get worse - how much I dont know. I dont count that as real immediate thread.
6) see 5)
7) definitely a threat. what can we do? rise consciousness on an individual and global level (ah, yes, we're already doing that, good thing too!)
8) Nope, could have happened before, was somehow averted, will be again averted (by same mysterious forces)
9) see 8) we should all be dead from aids - but no too many are ...
10) I dont think so - in the emperors new mind its explained by someone a lot smarter than I
11) they are already here - and its bad enough, I dont think its getting worse because if it could it would be already.
12) no clue - I dont dig nano
13) is the electric universe the right model? dont know, I like it but couldnt proof it. all depends on that question, it would be an ELE anyway, so no worries mate :-)
14) possible if wilcock is right - also probable, maybe 1% in next 50 years
15) only a small window of the sky is observed - it could happen. but we are still here so its not an everyday event. I would not worry.
16) very likely and my main concern (as much as I do have any)
17) nope, see 15)
18) wouldnt that be fun ??!!!!
19) ah, well ...
20) likely, but not over 1% - or else history would tell the tale.

others ?


A number of scenarios have come up the last few years, which i would like to look at and if possible evaluate for probability and impact.

1) The "dark star" - thats the Deagle thing, you can read about it in Bill Ryans thread.
2) The galactic superwave (http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html)
3) The next Iceage (http://www.iceagenow.com/)
4) Total financial collaps - superinflation on a global scale
5) The "local" dust cloud (local to the solar system)
6) Global warming as explained by Wilcock (not by Al Gore)
7) The PTB chipping/fascist global state
8) Nuclear war (The Iran/China/USA/Russia scenario aka Anglo-saxon-mission)
9) Release of chemical/biological agents (by chemtrails or vaccination)
10) Artificial intelligence takes over (Terminator scenario)
11) STS Aliens take over
12) Runaway nanotech turn us into grey goo
13) The sun gets spiked by an electric-universe-type discharge and fries earth
14) Global warming releases the oceanic methan reservoires which leads to runaway greehouse resulting in a venus like scenario
15) some asteroid we overlooked sends us the way of the dinos (did you know the size of los angeles is enough to wipe all life off the earth?)
16) A CME fries the comm pathways (and electric landlines) - no food or water
17) A local star turns Nova ( +200 ly radius) - and fries us
18) A hyperdimensional gateway opens permanently and lets all kinds of nasty creatures thru
(like in Reign of Fire)
19) I get enlightened and become ZEN master of the universe with the biggest stick - and you'll all live to regret it!
20) Supervolcanos blowing up (Yellowstone Caldera)

Does moving to Spain help? (not with 19 obviously)

[K626]

I'd probably go as far as linking 4 to 8. It's normally how they play it. Other than that something to do with the sun (13) which has been getting a lot of attention lately in many quarters.

K

[Solphilos]

The sun is definitely acting it's part here lately. It's been quite stormy up there, and solar cycle 24 has only just begun. A massive CME seems to be the biggest concern with up top, without going into details of what exactly is causing these perturbations in our sun.
There are other major risks, but most of them cannot be prepared for, so my personal concern is to prepare for something that is actually survivable; i.e. an EMP that kicks us back to the 1800's.

[Gestalt]

16) very likely and my main concern (as much as I do have any)


It is my understanding the most electric utilities are more or less prepared for CME's. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

"Canadian infrastructure owners and operators have developed effective operating procedures to deal with the threat of geomagnetic storms. Also, advance warning systems such as ACE and SOHO are providing infrastructure owners and operators with the necessary information to prevent negative consequences due to GICs."
http://www.solarstorms.org/CanadaPipelines.html

[HORIZONS]

My vote is a supervolcano. It is not really a matter of if but when. Tons of info to back it up too.

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/British%20experts%20warn%20of%20dangers%20of%20sup ervolcanoes.htm
http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm
http://hubpages.com/hub/Supervolcanoes

[HORIZONS]

If you have the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-RKzqNtz0&feature=PlayList&p=83F6492FA7EACDEA&index=0&playnext=1

[samvado]

If you have the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-RKzqNtz0&feature=PlayList&p=83F6492FA7EACDEA&index=0&playnext=1

nice, I dont have the bandwidth now, but tomorrow I will get the 6pack :-)
thanx!

the reason I put the caldera so low in probability is that its an ELE, and we are all still here, so we didnt have one for a looong time.
but of course, that luck could change anytime.

I havnt researched them properly, have you? are there icecores that point towards earlier calderas blowing up?

[Kulapops]

I think scenario 21) is much more likely

21) Simon Cowell (a reptiloid from the planet Arrghh if ever there was one) reduces the total humanoid IQ of the planet below 100 billion (yes I'm including all primates here) through increased viewing audiences for Pop Idol and ***'s got talent. Thereby nullifying our eligibilty for our sentient development aid grant from the galactic benefit council. At this point, we will be demolished to make way for a hyperspace bypass.

Shame.

As for your other 20 scenarios, I really come at it for another angle. We've always been worried about death as a species and this is no different. In fact, it's irrelevant how we go when we go. But lot's of people are preoccupied with 'getting an edge'. So I think at a sub level that's why we have all these doom scenarios.

Actually, the real deal that wipes us out will be 25). The one that no one thought of.

I'm all for saving our breath and our brain cells and using the 'relative' microseconds we are granted here on this Earth to enjoy it and figure out what kind of contribution we are going to make, rather than how we are going to save our own ass from 'certain' death.

Because death, in it's physicality is certain anyway. Doesn't mean I'm going to look forward to it. Nor am I walking blind through life's problems.

But I sure as eggs is eggs am not wasting one further second on researching today's current 'favourite way to die'.....

No more Deagle for me thanks. No more whistleblowers thanks. How is the gulf of Arrrrrdennn for open stargates these days anyhow ? And how many thousand miles has planet X moved inorexably closer to us since last it was posted on this forum??

I think you've done a great job compiling that list though Sam... very thorough.

One last thought... just like a felled, unheard tree in a forest... is a threat still a threat if no one is currently talking or posting about it ???

K

P.S. You have missed one actually, the Mega-Tsunami, this is actually created by a large amount of debris falling into the sea, from a volcanic eruption, this sets up an enormous wall of water that will travel across the sea to the eastern seaboard of the USA and swamp everything. This is also overdue I understand. Some talk of Atlantis disappearing round about the time of the last one. I'm sure there will be articles on it on the internet somewhere.

[samvado]

It is my understanding the most electric utilities are more or less prepared for CME's. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

I have only checked germany - and NOTHING is done towards that end of which a low to medium level utility exec would know about.
german cables in cities are underground, they may live longer, it all depends on thrength and intensity of the magnetic flux, the shape of the earth mag field and a couple of other things.
but if that 1857 thing happens today, with the mag field so low, my guess is we are all without electricity for a long time (decades possibly).

[samvado]

21) Simon Cowell (a reptiloid from the planet Arrghh if ever there was one) reduces the total humanoid IQ of the planet below 100 billion (yes I'm including all primates here) through increased viewing audiences for Pop Idol and ***'s got talent. Thereby nullifying our eligibilty for our sentient development aid grant from the galactic benefit council. At this point, we will be demolished to make way for a hyperspace bypass..

IN fact, extinction due to stupidity - havnt thought of that. why not? must be too friggin' stupid ...
but then, we can always RESONATE with the truth if we cant THINK of it .. or so the saying goes here in the forum.
dammit, I must have been on sick leave when we had THAT in school.

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You have missed one actually, the Mega-Tsunami, this is actually created by a large amount of debris falling into the sea, from a volcanic eruption, this sets up an enormous wall of water that will travel across the sea to the eastern seaboard of the USA and swamp everything. This is also overdue I understand. Some talk of Atlantis disappearing round about the time of the last one. I'm sure there will be articles on it on the internet somewhere.


no, I havnt, it just wasnt bad enough to make it to my list. after all its a local event - only certain areas are hit and possibly only the cities we always wanted to get rid off (kidding of course!!)

[Kulapops]

no, I havnt, it just wasnt bad enough to make it to my list. after all its a local event - only certain areas are hit and possibly only the cities we always wanted to get rid off (kidding of course!!)

Well, the way they described it on the documentary I saw was that it wasn't just a local event. It's local where it starts of course. Repeat it's not a Tsunami, it's a Mega-Tsumami. Several million tons of rubble go in the sea one end, and a large part of the planet goes under a rather big wave. Can't remember the height, but it was silly.

Lots of fun. The only way to prepare for that one is to buy the biggest surfboard you can find.

I actually think this is a great thread Sam... don't know if it's your intention to point this out, but mostly people talk about, or concentrate on a given scenario as if it's the only one and what they would do about that particular scenario, as if that is the scenario that is going to happen. Course, when you see a great big list like that, you cannot take them all seriously.. but logically this begs the reasoning, if one is going to favour some not happening.. because we think those are less likely (compared to the other twenty) - then why count them as so real when they are stand alone ? Hmmm... my favourite reason is that the disaster scenario is systemic of the human psyche. So we are not going to escape them, but it doesn't make them real either.

I think your big list puts that into context. Thank you.

K


...and furthermore... was nicht toetet, haertet ab !

[Gestalt]

I have only checked germany - and NOTHING is done towards that end of which a low to medium level utility exec would know about.
german cables in cities are underground, they may live longer, it all depends on thrength and intensity of the magnetic flux, the shape of the earth mag field and a couple of other things.
but if that 1857 thing happens today, with the mag field so low, my guess is we are all without electricity for a long time (decades possibly).

Having my background in electrical engineering, specifically in grid design and relay protection I am having a hard time seeing why you are so concerned. Massive lightning bolts hit power lines and utilities all the time, and those are huge in-fluxes of electrons and yet everything keeps on operating. Relay protection responds and can disconnect connections between power lines in milliseconds, preventing system wide failure. Grid protection from surges is some of the most advanced electronic equipment in the world. Having personally programmed and worked with Schweizer (German engineered) relays, I can say Germans design some of the best grid protection systems in the world.

[Kulapops]

I also worked on lighnting protection in masthead units for telecoms. A simple gas discharge tube protects the circuits inside the unit from huge (kV) discharges coming up the cable into the unit, during a LIGHTNING strike. Not only that, but the placement of the electronics within the tower (usually within the metal frame rather than poking out on the extremities further shields the devices, along with correct earthing of the mast at the four corners and the centre, generally.

This proects against raises in the the localised earth of at least something like 20kV. Don't forget that is an induced voltage in the cable, not the rating of the lightning, which would be many times higher to induce such a raise.

If this is the trouble we go to to protect simple communications devices, I can well believe that the safety measures for power lines are at least of a similar nature.

K.

[Ross]

so far...seperate incidents

bike, broken neck
Boat, broken back
30 foot fall onto steel girder
20ft fall of chainsaw onto head whilst standing undertree
Headon car accident at 120mph impact, (not my fault)

So ive had plenty of lives from where I stand, whatever happens bring it on I say:cool: Im over it, in a good way:yo:

[morguana]

so far...seperate incidents

bike, broken neck
Boat, broken back
30 foot fall onto steel girder
20ft fall of chainsaw onto head whilst standing undertree
Headon car accident at 120mph impact, (not my fault)

So ive had plenty of lives from where I stand, whatever happens bring it on I say:cool: Im over it, in a good way:yo:

your a cat with 9 lives ross!!!!
love m

[Vidya Moksha]

I watched the yellowstone eruption video below, interesting.
Maybe we will kill ourselves with all this attention to disaster, 2012 etc earth changes.
we put so much effort into these topics
what we dream comes true.
what we give energy to, manifests

this forum is especially bad at it....

make you wonder doesnt it?

[HORIZONS]

I watched the yellowstone eruption video below, interesting.
Maybe we will kill ourselves with all this attention to disaster, 2012 etc earth changes.
we put so much effort into these topics
what we dream comes true.
what we give energy to, manifests

this forum is especially bad at it....

make you wonder doesnt it?

It does make one wonder, and my take is: I do think it is true that for the most part where thought flows manifestation follows, but this is not an absolute. It all is related to energy, and there are many different streams of energy in our planet, solar system and universe that seem to have their own movement regardless of our personal energies. If a volcano blows on a 26000 year cycle it will blow with or without the inhabitants fearing it ,as it has done so throughout time. Chaos happens! What we create out of the chaos is where we come in.

[samvado]

Having my background in electrical engineering, specifically in grid design and relay protection I am having a hard time seeing why you are so concerned.

Thats wh (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/23oct_superstorm/)y - considering nasa is likely conservative they are saying a lot here IMO.

[Jnana]

How about:
- World War III
- slow death by running out of a critical resource (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article4193017.ece)
- slow death by poisoning the environment / ecosystem collapse

[Kulapops]

Slow death, by living to be 130

:0)

K

[Fredkc]

so far...seperate incidents

bike, broken neck
Boat, broken back
30 foot fall onto steel girder
20ft fall of chainsaw onto head whilst standing undertree
Headon car accident at 120mph impact, (not my fault)
Ross; well you did make a good case for wife and I putting off that visit to Australia.
Seems anywhere on the same continent as you, is WAY too close! ;)

Fred

[Decibellistics]

Vanity
Egotistic tendencies to prove one is right
Hate and self hate
Limitation
Justifiation of falsities
I could go on

[Gestalt]

Thats wh (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/23oct_superstorm/)y - considering nasa is likely conservative they are saying a lot here IMO.

I read that link, and the ones linked at the bottom, and I still don't see anything concrete to be concerned about.
And I have been scouring the internet looking for ANYTHING to validate your extreme concerns and I keep coming up empty. Got anything else?

Oh and you could add Peak Oil scenario leading to complete economic meltdown and collapse to your list of things that could kill us. ;)
Lots of people concerned about that. Something I have looked into quite a bit as well.

[samvado]

I read that link, and the ones linked at the bottom, and I still don't see anything concrete to be concerned about.
And I have been scouring the internet looking for ANYTHING to validate your extreme concerns and I keep coming up empty. Got anything else?

Oh and you could add Peak Oil scenario leading to complete economic meltdown and collapse to your list of things that could kill us. ;)
Lots of people concerned about that. Something I have looked into quite a bit as well.

melting overland lines dont concern you?
IMO peak oil is a fraud, we have free energy and a lot of different versions at that.

[Gestalt]

melting overland lines dont concern you?

Where did you read that?


IMO peak oil is a fraud, we have free energy and a lot of different versions at that.

Oh and is your home and car powered by free energy?

[samvado]

Where did you read that?

somewhere deep in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?540-%28Scientific%29-Evidence-for-What-s-Coming/page21)explained by bashi who is quite an expert on this.




Oh and is your home and car powered by free energy?
no, but its around, although still suppressed. it was one of my favorite themes in the 90s. check the swiss testatica, you can go and visit.
but many others also work.

[ExHaLaTiON]

you can never kill the illusion, its just like a clock. time will never stop.........

[Kulapops]

I have to wind up my clock on the mantelpiece every three days... it often stops. In fact, right now it says 6:15 ... it's said that for days....

Right now, in my lounge, it's a quarter past six.

Who are we to say that it isn't a quarter past six in the reality of my lounge? It could also be a squiddle past bung. Who knows?

K

[ExHaLaTiON]

I have to wind up my clock on the mantelpiece every three days... it often stops. In fact, right now it says 6:15 ... it's said that for days....

Right now, in my lounge, it's a quarter past six.

Who are we to say that it isn't a quarter past six in the reality of my lounge? It could also be a squiddle past bung. Who knows?


K

one clock may stop, but there are countless others that keep going to take its place. you can never stop the clock...