SAS captured in Libya.

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

From The Guardian:


'SAS unit' captured in Libya

Defence secretary Liam Fox says 'small diplomatic team' is in Benghazi to talk to rebels.

* Martin Chulov, Polly Curtis and Amy Fallon
* guardian.co.uk, Sunday 6 March 2011 11.27 GMT
* Article history


The defence secretary, Liam Fox, has confirmed that a "small diplomatic team" is in Benghazi to talk to Libyan rebels but refused to confirm reports that any British nationals had been detained.

According to Guardian sources, a suspected British intelligence and special forces unit, which parachuted in about four days ago, was caught near the town of Khandra, about 20 miles west of Benghazi.

A senior member of Benghazi's revolutionary council said: "They were carrying espionage equipment, reconnaissance equipment, multiple passports and weapons. This is no way to conduct yourself during an uprising.

"Gaddafi is bringing in thousands of mercenaries to kill us, most are using foreign passports and how do we know who these people are?

"They say they're British nationals and some of the passports they have are British. But the Israelis used British passports to kill that man in Dubai last year."

Rebel leaders claimed the captives were being treated well and would be released as soon as the British government vouched for their identity with the rebel command.

The news follows Sunday Times claims that an SAS unit was being held by rebel forces it had approached in an attempt to open up diplomatic channels to opponents of Muammar Gaddafi.

Fox refused to give any more details on the diplomatic team's mission in the eastern area of the country, which is controlled by rebel forces: "We are in touch with them but I'm not going to be giving further comment on that."

Whitehall sources said on Friday it needed to learn more about the leadership of the anti-Gaddafi forces and find out what logistical support they needed, but would not give arms to the rebels, as an international arms embargo was in place.

Fox said: "It is a very difficult situation to be able to understand in detail. There are a number of different opposition groups to Colonel Gaddafi in Libya who do seem relatively disparate.

"We want to clearly understand what the dynamic is here because we want to be able to work with them to ensure the demise of the Gaddafi regime, to see a transition to greater stability in Libya and ultimately to more representative government.

"So getting a picture of that is relatively difficult, as is widely reported. Communications are being interrupted, there are difficulties with mobile phones, with the internet potentially being interfered with.

"So we are trying to build a picture – it's essential that the government does that and it's essential that all western governments do that so we are able to get a clearer idea of what we are able to do in terms of helping the people of Libya."

The Sunday Times reported Libyan and British sources confirming the SAS unit had been detained by rebel forces it had approached to secure a meeting with a junior diplomat to offer help in their fight against Gaddafi. The mission backfired when rebel leaders in Benghazi objected to foreign interference from governments which had not yet formally recognised them as Libya's legitimate rulers, it said.

Spokesmen for the Ministry of Defence and the Foreign Office refused to confirm or deny the Sunday Times report.

The international development secretary, Andrew Mitchell, refused to comment about the SAS unit when questioned on Radio 5 Live.

When asked if it was possible a diplomat was there for talks, he replied: "It is perfectly possible that the Foreign Office will be trying to open links with all the rebel forces there."

The foreign secretary, William Hague, urged Gaddafi to put an "immediate stop" to the use of armed force against Libyans.

"Given the continued levels of illegitimate violence within Libya we call upon Colonel Gaddafi to put an immediate stop to the use of armed force against the Libyan people," he said.

"He must hand over power without delay to a government which fully recognises the legitimate aspirations of the Libyan people.

"The UK reiterates its support for the transition to a government that will deliver greater democracy, justice, transparency, human rights and accountability in Libya."

Heavy gunfire has erupted in Tripoli, with hundreds of Gaddafi's supporters pouring into the streets. Libyan authorities said the gunfire was to celebrate the recapture of cities including Ras Lanuf.

[Calz]

From The Guardian:


'SAS unit' captured in Libya



Libya relels did not invite outside military aide. On the contrary they said "stay out" of our revolution.

What would you expect would happen if Libya parachuted a dozen or so military people into downtown London?

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

If you're thinking that i disagree with the rebels capturing them then you're very much mistaken. The SAS shouldn't be there, they have no right to be there. I thought of passing comment but i didn't think it would be needed. Alas...

I could be wrong but as i see it what's happening in the middle east is modern warfare. Or as David Icke would put it 'Problem, Reaction, Solution'. They want change in Iran but know that they can't invade like they did in Iraq of Afgahnistan so they unstable the region starting with the country in which they hold most control - Egypt. And it's all done through social networks so their hands are clean. Then let ( and 'persuade') the rest of the region to follow.

[fopa]

What would you expect would happen in Libya parachuted a dozen or so military people into downtown London?

PC hat on:

Well they would be given financial support, a house and a platform to aire any grievances they may have.

Regarding the SAS issue, im sure that by the time the news filtered through to us mere minions on the ground. That the British Government would of had a serious amount of rescue teams on the ground waiting for the order to extract.

[Lord Sidious]

Shoot them.
That is what I would do if I were in charge.
There is no state of war between the UK and Libya, if you are caught in disguise inside another nation, bang.
Anyone remember the SAS men captured in Basra dressed as arabs about 5 or 6 years ago?

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

Hmmm...i really don't condone shooting them. Aren't we all here because that's the behaviour that we deplore?

[fopa]

Why would they be dressed as arabs in Basra, when the Uk forces had Basra as a HQ for the occupation of Iraq? It doesnt make sense to be covert in that location if you get what i mean.

If you have a link it would be appreciated

[dan i el]

And there was Gaddafi thinking he'd secured his new worldly invite to the carve up as a premier African transformation executive. I might have a look for the little green book on ebay.

[manny]

it is by all means in the interest of the uk and america.
to butt in on any conflict thats going on in the world.
all these new weapons that have been developed need to be used and tested.
and whatever other hidden agenda.

[Calz]

What would you expect would happen in Libya parachuted a dozen or so military people into downtown London?

PC hat on:

Well they would be given financial support, a house and a platform to aire any grievances they may have.

Regarding the SAS issue, im sure that by the time the news filtered through to us mere minions on the ground. That the British Government would of had a serious amount of rescue teams on the ground waiting for the order to extract.

In *no* way singling out Brits ... Americans are politically and militarily the *most* intrusive and disrespectful of other soveriegn nations and their "rights" (at least currently).

Caveat: depending on how far down the rabbit hole you want to go then how much part of "the illusion" are nation states to begin with ... but I digress.

Anyway ... in keeping with "PC hats" ... if a Libyan plane were to fly over American soil (unless part of a covert op) then I assure you the plane would be shot down *well* before there was a chance to parachute.

[Calz]

Why would they be dressed as arabs in Basra, when the Uk forces had Basra as a HQ for the occupation of Iraq? It doesnt make sense to be covert in that location if you get what i mean.



Exactly and point well made :spy:

[Lord Sidious]

Hmmm...i really don't condone shooting them. Aren't we all here because that's the behaviour that we deplore?

The international laws that THEY made say they can do it.
Remember, they made the law that following orders is not excuse.
And also remember that even today, they accuse others of doing this, yet have the greatest history of doing this themselves.
Oh, and those guys weren't in town to buy flowers for the dead Libyans.
Shoot them after a trial if you wish, but they deserve no protection from the law.


Why would they be dressed as arabs in Basra, when the Uk forces had Basra as a HQ for the occupation of Iraq? It doesnt make sense to be covert in that location if you get what i mean.

If you have a link it would be appreciated

No worries. Here some spun versions.

http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/sas-operations/basra-raid/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1500740/Captured-SAS-men-spying-on-drill-torturer.html

I would wonder what all the weaponry was for if all they were doing was investigating alleged torture in the prison?

Or, were they really there to ''assist'' in the tit for tat mosque destructions going on at the time?

Now for some more links, but not spun.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=990

http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3331

Spec Ops are not as bad as spooks, but I wouldn't trust em, they are faithful servants of their masters.

[manny]

why are they there?

[Lord Sidious]

why are they there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathfinder_(military)

[fopa]

Ah that explains it, thanks for the links!

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

The international laws that THEY made say they can do it.
Remember, they made the law that following orders is not excuse.
And also remember that even today, they accuse others of doing this, yet have the greatest history of doing this themselves.
Oh, and those guys weren't in town to buy flowers for the dead Libyans.
Shoot them after a trial if you wish, but they deserve no protection from the law.

- Isn't the whole point that we should be the change that we want? Aren't these laws the ones that we are opposing? I'm not going to condemn them for their laws and then inflict the same myself. It's a contradiction. If we dream of change and a more evolved species then we have to be that change ourselves. Right now.

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The first paragraph above is a quote from somebody earlier and supposed t be highlighted as such.... but i'm rubbish with computers!:confused:

[Lord Sidious]

Ah that explains it, thanks for the links!

All you have to do is ask your Uncle Sidious and he will consult all the Sith Seers he has out the back.

Oops, I meant, I will look at my books.
Yeah, that is what I meant.



Move along, these aren't the droids you are looking for.







The international laws that THEY made say they can do it.
Remember, they made the law that following orders is not excuse.
And also remember that even today, they accuse others of doing this, yet have the greatest history of doing this themselves.
Oh, and those guys weren't in town to buy flowers for the dead Libyans.
Shoot them after a trial if you wish, but they deserve no protection from the law.

- Isn't the whole point that we should be the change that we want? Aren't these laws the ones that we are opposing? I'm not going to condemn them for their laws and then inflict the same myself. It's a contradiction. If we dream of change and a more evolved species then we have to be that change ourselves. Right now.

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The first paragraph above is a quote from somebody earlier and supposed t be highlighted as such.... but i'm rubbish with computers!:confused:

It is not necessarily a contradiction.
Have you ever heard the saying ''Hung by his own petard?''
Or, as you put out, so shall ye reap.
THEY invaded Libya, Libyans didn't go to London and kidnap them.

[Carmody]

Whether I agree with it or not, the UK would risk a dozen teams, and more..if necessary,(whatever it takes) in order to gain (to take a chance at gaining) a potential land/sea base/port that could be that deep into the Mediterranean and Mideast/Africa. For them, it is only common sense to try. No matter who -or what- is actually running the UK.

If I was them (Libyan 'rebels') ...I'd expect to find, to 'run into', potentially... someone (or some groups) who claim to represent Russia as well, possibly. Or even China.

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

Ah that explains it, thanks for the links!


It is not necessarily a contradiction.
Have you ever heard the saying ''Hung by his own petard?''
Or, as you put out, so shall ye reap.
THEY invaded Libya, Libyans didn't go to London and kidnap them.

I understand what happened. But i just don't believe in vengeance or vindictiveness - and that's what we're talking about. I believe that our potential is much more than that. And i know that i have to be that myself before i expect others to be it. It's personal responsibility.

[dan i el]

the UK govt/crown/city have applied the military in such roles for centuries now

[Operator]

Something is brewing ... no doubt here.

There is almost no mainstream news outside the Netherlands but via dutch MSM we learned last Thursday that 2 male and 1 female navy crew and a Lynx
helicopter were taken hostage while attempting to rescue a dutch citizen from Libya one week ago (Sunday, Feb. 27)
The dutch government does not comment on it at all.

IMHO, this is very fishy ... you don't send just a crew of 3 regular navy personal on a mission inside a country especially without asking permission.
In such cases it would be more likely to send e.g. at least 4 marines with them ... and also later we learned through MSM that the civilian easily could
have left the area with a regular chartered flight from that area. I think they were sacrificed to justify an invasion soon.

Same goes with the captured SAS personal ... I learned over the past years that they were involved in less honorable missions. The reason they show
up dressed in remarkable outfit is because their role seems to be starting the unrest for reasons of interest to the 'west'.

When I checked the reactions to the MSM news articles people were already 'asking' for an invasion and kick some ass ... yeah, right.

All the articles in this newspaper are marked with this vignette:

http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00823/vgt_8_Steun_onze_Jo_823175a.jpg

Just to whip up the cream ... programming, programming programming.

p.s. the vignette says: We support our troops ... 8 days taken hostage

[Champion the Wonderhorse]

Here's an interesting article from the Telegraph a few days ago:



"Libya: Tony Blair agreed to train Gaddafi’s special forces in 'deal in the desert’Tony Blair used his final foreign trip as prime minister to sign a confidential deal with Muammar Gaddafi to train Libyan special forces and supply him with Nato secrets.

A copy of the accord obtained by The Daily Telegraph shows that the two leaders agreed to co-operate on defence matters in a range of areas, including exchanging information about defence structures and technology.
It was signed during the former Labour prime minister’s “Blair-well” tour of Africa in May 2007, in Gaddafi’s tent in the Libyan desert.
Included in the document was an agreement on “co-operation in the training of specialised military units, special forces and border security units”. They also signed up to “exchanges of information on Nato and EU military and civil security organisations”. The document was personally signed by Mr Blair and Gaddafi.
A passing reference to it was contained in a joint communiqué between the
two countries, which was issued at the time and posted on the Foreign Office website before being removed a few weeks ago.

The full version of the accord makes clear the extent to which Mr Blair agreed to co-operate with the Gaddafi regime on defence matters.
Under the terms of the deal, Britain was committed to “exchanges of information and views on defence structures, military and security organisations; exchanges of visits by experts and exchange of printed materials in the field of military education and science; exchanges of information on current and developing military concepts, principles and best practice, and the conduct of joint exercises’’.
The two countries also agreed to co-operate in “training in operational planning processes, staff training, and command and control; training of personnel in peace support operations; training co-operation relating to software, communications security, technology and the function of equipment and systems; exchanges of information and experience in the laws of armed conflict; and the acquisition of equipment and defence systems’’.


So it seems since 2007 Tony Blair the best Prime Minister we've ever had made a deal with Gaddafi to train his special forces amongst other deals. Sorry did I say best, I meant worst.
If there was any training of Gaddafi's special forces the SAS had to have been involved. Once again the troops on the ground have been stabbed in the back by politicians.
What is interesting here is that the US special forces are training the rebels!

Nice one Tony. Sorry whats your job title again?.......... Middle East Peace Envoy?
What a joke.

[Lord Sidious]

Whether I agree with it or not, the UK would risk a dozen teams, and more..if necessary,(whatever it takes) in order to gain (to take a chance at gaining) a potential land/sea base/port that could be that deep into the Mediterranean and Mideast/Africa. For them, it is only common sense to try. No matter who -or what- is actually running the UK.

If I was them (Libyan 'rebels') ...I'd expect to find, to 'run into', potentially... someone (or some groups) who claim to represent Russia as well, possibly. Or even China.

China is possible, Russia is unlikely as they don't have the money to project and protect their power.




Ah that explains it, thanks for the links!


It is not necessarily a contradiction.
Have you ever heard the saying ''Hung by his own petard?''
Or, as you put out, so shall ye reap.
THEY invaded Libya, Libyans didn't go to London and kidnap them.

I understand what happened. But i just don't believe in vengeance or vindictiveness - and that's what we're talking about. I believe that our potential is much more than that. And i know that i have to be that myself before i expect others to be it. It's personal responsibility.

It's not about revenge, it is about protecting your own people from others who would make them slaves.
Lucky for you, there are people like me who would protect you.
Don't take that as an insult as it isn't intended as one.


Something is brewing ... no doubt here.

There is almost no mainstream news outside the Netherlands but via dutch MSM we learned last Thursday that 2 male and 1 female navy crew and a Lynx
helicopter were taken hostage while attempting to rescue a dutch citizen from Libya one week ago (Sunday, Feb. 27)
The dutch government does not comment on it at all.

IMHO, this is very fishy ... you don't send just a crew of 3 regular navy personal on a mission inside a country especially without asking permission.
In such cases it would be more likely to send e.g. at least 4 marines with them ... and also later we learned through MSM that the civilian easily could
have left the area with a regular chartered flight from that area. I think they were sacrificed to justify an invasion soon.

Same goes with the captured SAS personal ... I learned over the past years that they were involved in less honorable missions. The reason they show
up dressed in remarkable outfit is because their role seems to be starting the unrest for reasons of interest to the 'west'.

When I checked the reactions to the MSM news articles people were already 'asking' for an invasion and kick some ass ... yeah, right.

All the articles in this newspaper are marked with this vignette:

http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimedia/archive/00823/vgt_8_Steun_onze_Jo_823175a.jpg

Just to whip up the cream ... programming, programming programming.

Was the civilian actually a spook?

Let's get something sorted here.
I have known a stack of SASR men in the past and they are nice guys.
But when they are on the job, nothing will stop them from doing what they have to do.
And some of them will do things that you guys would only see in movies.
Like that story from Basra. Why would you need explosives, anti tank weapons and thousands of rounds to ''investigate'' torture in a local jail?

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

It's not about revenge, it is about protecting your own people from others who would make them slaves.
Lucky for you, there are people like me who would protect you.
Don't take that as an insult as it isn't intended as one.



I count my chickens everyday. :rolleyes:

[58andfixed]

Qaddafi Forces Capture 3 Dutch Marines

Jorge Benitez
March 03, 2011

http://www.acus.org/files/images/planeschoppers%203%203%2011%20Dutch%20Lynx.preview.jpg

"From Marlise Simmons and Alan Cowell, the New York Times: Libyan authorities loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi have captured three crew members of a Dutch naval helicopter who were rescuing European citizens, last Sunday, the Dutch Defense Ministry said on Thursday, the first report of foreigners being by held in Libya’s bloody and unfolding uprising."

"Otte Beeksma, a spokesman for the Defense Ministry, said in a telephone interview that the pro-Qaddafi forces also captured two civilians being rescued — one Dutch, the other from an unspecified European country — who had since been released."

"Mr. Beeksma, said the crew of a Lynx helicopter had landed in the coastal city of Sirte — a pro-Qaddafi stronghold — after flying from a navy ship, the HMS Tromp, anchored offshore. The helicopter was “surrounded by armed Libyan forces late on Sunday afternoon. ...”

http://www.acus.org/natosource/qaddafi-forces-capture-3-dutch-marines

These clues should help to discern what is going on in Libya has a different agenda than in other areas of this planet.

- 58

[king anthony]

2005 Basra Incident - Two British SAS Solders killed police; were captured dressed as Iraqi Arabs; the Government attempted to commence with a trial; this failed when SAS took their men by force hours later.

[Operator]

Qaddafi Forces Capture 3 Dutch Marines


Ok, so it got some coverage after all ... however if the dutch news is accurate they were no marines ... but regular navy personnel (a female pilot and 2 other male crew members).
What is significant in dutch MSM is the accompanying news that gasoline prices crossed an all time high record and that one should expect even worse due to the risk of the
unstable situation in those oil producing countries .... it's just prepping the masses if you ask me.

Also the situation with the dutch navy personnel is a little bit different ... they were captured by the Khadaffi regime whereas the British SAS troops were captured by the rebels.
The 8 Brits are released in the meantime by the way.

[cayman]

Whether I agree with it or not, the UK would risk a dozen teams, and more..if necessary,(whatever it takes) in order to gain (to take a chance at gaining) a potential land/sea base/port that could be that deep into the Mediterranean and Mideast/Africa. For them, it is only common sense to try. No matter who -or what- is actually running the UK.

If I was them (Libyan 'rebels') ...I'd expect to find, to 'run into', potentially... someone (or some groups) who claim to represent Russia as well, possibly. Or even China.

you got that right:cool:

[Muzz]

Reminded me of this grubby little story from 2005...
http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/false-flag-sas-basra-incident-2005/

[fopa]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-Eight-SAS-Soldiers-Freed-By-Rebels-In-Benghazi/Article/201103115946465?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15946465_Libya%3A_Eight_SAS_Soldiers_Freed_By_Rebels_In_Benghazi_

Link explains content!

[Lord Sidious]

Reminded me of this grubby little story from 2005...
http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/false-flag-sas-basra-incident-2005/

That is exactly why I don't trust spooks or spec ops.
Oh and Ruby Ridge.
Oh and Waco and all the others.
They will cut our throats in a second if their commanders tell them we are terrorists.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-Eight-SAS-Soldiers-Freed-By-Rebels-In-Benghazi/Article/201103115946465?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15946465_Libya%3A_Eight_SAS_Soldiers_Freed_By_Rebels_In_Benghazi_

Link explains content!

So the media are already helping to spin it?
Not surprised, if they printed the truth, they would get a D Notice real quick.

[Calz]

This says nothing about Dutch marines but update of the story (if true):

Britain scrambles to explain SAS's Libya 'blunder'

The British government was left red-faced Monday after a botched attempt by special forces to make contact with opposition forces in Libya ended in the team being seized by rebels.
The team, reportedly made up of six soldiers from the elite SAS and two diplomats, flew into Libya by helicopter and made their way to the opposition-held city of Benghazi.

But they were rounded up by lightly armed rebels soon after they arrived, reports said.

The diplomats are believed to have been officers from Britain's MI6 foreign intelligence service whose mission was to contact rebel leaders and open the way for a delegation.

But they succeeded only in angering Libyan opposition leaders who denied they had asked for any help and by late Sunday they had been packed off to Malta on a British naval ship.


Full Story:


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.93280b7ec50a265e547c3fbb555a7bba.491&show_article=1

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, so it turns out they are from the SAS VIP protection team, not anything suspicious.
Maybe.