David Icke - Demonic Possessed Reptilian Rulers . . .

[ktlight]

From David Icke News


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDYCTlcXg4

[Ilie Pandia]

ktlight,

when posting videos from youtube (even from David Icke's site) please add a few words from yourself as to what the video is about and your thoughts on the matter, or why do you think is important to post this here (just how you did when you posted the Celente video)

[ktlight]

ktlight,

when posting videos from youtube (even from David Icke's site) please add a few words from yourself as to what the video is about and your thoughts on the matter, or why do you think is important to post this here (just how you did when you posted the Celente video)

I considered this was/is self-explanatory.

[bodixa]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

[ktlight]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hind behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Well, US is basically a Christian country, so Satanism will not do, at least not publicly.

How did George W Bush become president when he didn't win the vote?

Etc., etc.

I feel it is a requirement to not reveal dark activities or get caught practising them.

Whether to accept the possibility or probability of the footage as reality or not is a matter of choice.

Hope you understand.

[Teakai]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Just a thought, Bodixa - but maybe they hide because we wouldn't let them do it if we knew the truth.

[DawgBone]

Very powerful video! And the last portion of the video uses music and images in a hypnotic, even mind-control, manner to send its message:

"Open your mind, open your mind, open your mind!"

Ha! It seems only fair that the forces of light should benignly use the techniques constantly used the other guys.

[bodixa]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Just a thought, Bodixa - but maybe they hide because we wouldn't let them do it if we knew the truth.

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

[DawgBone]

The idea of transdimensional, reptilian beings feeding on the energy of the human race is very similar to the vampire stories, and perhaps this is even the origin of the vampire 'myth'. George Kassavila in one of his videos talks about the wraith characters of Stargate Atlantis being similar to the vampiric beings he has encountered:

http://www.clairvaux.org/images/Avalon/wraith.jpg

Popular media is filled these days with various versions of the vampire myth. I watched one last night. Again, it seems that our reptilian leaders are putting the facts right out there, daring us to see the truth.

This colossal arrogance will surely lead to their downfall. We humans are much stronger and resourceful than they imagine.

[Teakai]

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

I agree with you that religion is used against people, but I didn't mean that people wouldn't allow 'them' to do what 'they're' doing on the grounds that they were Christian, but because they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be duped as they have been.
If people knew that fourth dimensional beings were overtaking human entities and then using them to bring humanity to a state that was desirable for complete control for the entities and complete entrapment for mankind - then they wouldn;t get very far.
I don't think they are that powerful. The only way they are able to do what they are doing is because we allow it. They use us against ourselves - and we allow it.

[Lost Soul]

Too much imagery and not enough talk.

[DawgBone]

I don't think they are that powerful. The only way they are able to do what they are doing is because we allow it. They use us against ourselves - and we allow it.

Yes, they mostly use persuasion, manipulation and mind-control. They incite warfare rather than waging it themselves.

It all changes when people in general "open their minds".

[bodixa]

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

I agree with you that religion is used against people, but I didn't mean that people wouldn't allow 'them' to do what 'they're' doing on the grounds that they were Christian, but because they wouldn't have allowed themselves to be duped as they have been.
If people knew that fourth dimensional beings were overtaking human entities and then using them to bring humanity to a state that was desirable for complete control for the entities and complete entrapment for mankind - then they wouldn;t get very far.
I don't think they are that powerful. The only way they are able to do what they are doing is because we allow it. They use us against ourselves - and we allow it.

Thanks - Ok - what you have just described is the basic 'problem' at the heart of evangelical Christian Theology. (The solution being Jesus sacrifical death.)

Even the temptations of Christ in Matthew's Gospel describe Satan as already in charge of the Kingdoms of the World. It's a very dominant idea and has been for a long time.

So if they are not that powerful, and they are still there, why are they still there? Why has Christianity allowed them to still be there? Why have we allowed them to still be there?

Is it because:

1) They're not really there, and we have to look at a different definition of the 'adversary' and be a little more realistic about what men are capable of?

2) Someone else is there (and laughing their butt off) ?

3) We (or too many humans) are locked into a world view that at deep level is not willing to actually let go of the status quo and fight them with all we have ?

4) The minority who believe they are not so powerful and don't subscribe to 3) , don't know where to start ?

5) The reptilian 'myth' is actually pushing the resistance further up into a corner and disempowering us even more ?

6) a combination of the above ?

7) where's my coffee?

[DawgBone]

There are numerous legends of reptiles founding ancient civilizations: Mesopotamia, Egypt, India, China, etc.

A good book in this regard is Flying Serpents and Dragons by R.A. Boulay

The standard academic explanation is that legends and myths are simply fiction with perhaps some symbolic content. My approach, and I think the approach that we should actually take, is that they are based on fact, elaborated certainly, but probably a genuine attempt to communicate truth.

Reading the historical record, we definitely have a reptilian past, and perhaps we have a reptilian present.

[Teakai]

Yes, they mostly use persuasion, manipulation and mind-control. They incite warfare rather than waging it themselves.

It all changes when people in general "open their minds".

And chemicals, outright lies and focus on ego delusion. 'They', via religion, education and media have kept the reality of who we really are from us.

[shijo]

i think its number 7 Bodixa.

[Teakai]

Thanks - Ok - what you have just described is the basic 'problem' at the heart of evangelical Christian Theology. (The solution being Jesus sacrifical death.)

Even the temptations of Christ in Matthew's Gospel describe Satan as already in charge of the Kingdoms of the World. It's a very dominant idea and has been for a long time.

So if they are not that powerful, and they are still there, why are they still there? Why has Christianity allowed them to still be there? Why have we allowed them to still be there?

Is it because:

1) They're not really there, and we have to look at a different definition of the 'adversary' and be a little more realistic about what men are capable of?

2) Someone else is there (and laughing their butt off) ?

3) We (or too many humans) are locked into a world view that at deep level is not willing to actually let go of the status quo and fight them with all we have ?

4) The minority who believe they are not so powerful and don't subscribe to 3) , don't know where to start ?

5) The reptilian 'myth' is actually pushing the resistance further up into a corner and disempowering us even more ?

6) a combination of the above ?

7) where's my coffee?

Oh, number 7 - without a doubt.
:)

OK, seriously, though - I'm just not sure where the Christians come into it. What do Christians have to do with the existence of reptilians?

(Just to say - I'm of the opinion that the Christian religion as formed by the RC church was corrupted at that stage - possibly by reptillians, if reptillians do exist, which seems plausible given the evidence of stonework and serpent references in ancient literature )

If bloodlines ruled the world - then the caesars were of that bloodline, therefore Constantine may have been controlled/inhabited by a reptillian.

[Teakai]

I get a bit confused about the reptilian thing - one one hand I've heard they were here first and they live underground.

And then there's the theory that they're fourth dimensional entities who require a human host to be able to exist in this dimension. Possibly these are what are referred to as demons in scriptural writings?

Maybe there are demons and reptilians?
Cripes - maybe there's a whole legion of negative energies and entities in this dimension.

[bodixa]

Today's Exam Practice Essay Question is as follows.

'Laura Bush is not posessed by a reptilian shape shifting fourth dimensional enitity.' Discuss.

You will be marked on the following criteria:

Your definition of Laura Bush and the context in which she is being referred to.

A definition of posession.

A definition of a reptilian shapeshifting fourth dimensional enitity and its significance in the context in which Laura Bush is being referenced.

Evidence that supports the statement.

Evidence that argues against the statement.

Your analysis of the material and a balanced conclusion.



Enough of the silliness... seriously I think the conspiracy is actually the suggestion that those politicians are controlled by Reptilian. Ask yourself whose agenda that kind of information serves?
Just another possibility worth considering.

[DawgBone]

OK, seriously, though - I'm just not sure where the Christians come into it. What do Christians have to do with the existence of reptilians?

(Just to say - I'm of the opinion that the Christian religion as formed by the RC church was corrupted at that stage - possibly by reptillians, if reptillians do exist, which seems plausible given the evidence of stonework and serpent references in ancient literature )

If bloodlines ruled the world - then the caesars were of that bloodline, therefore Constantine may have been controlled/inhabited by a reptillian.

Absolutely! Religions are such a powerful force in our world, to think that they have not been infiltrated is naive. Religions would be the very FIRST institution that the bloodlines would want to control.

And the pervasive presence of blood sacrifice in almost all religions echos the vampiric theme.

We are food.

[Teakai]

Today's Exam Practice Essay Question is as follows.

'Laura Bush is not posessed by a reptilian shape shifting fourth dimensional enitity.' Discuss.

You will be marked on the following criteria:

Your definition of Laura Bush and the context in which she is being referred to.

A definition of posession.

A definition of a reptilian shapeshifting fourth dimensional enitity and its significance in the context in which Laura Bush is being referenced.

Evidence that supports the statement.

Evidence that argues against the statement.

Your analysis of the material and a balanced conclusion.



Enough of the silliness... seriously I think the conspiracy is actually the suggestion that those politicians are controlled by Reptilian. Ask yourself whose agenda that kind of information serves?
Just another possibility worth considering.

Oh, thank goodness. I got really worried. I haven't had a coffee in hours, it's 11:55pm and I can't stop yawning - and there I was thinking I had to write an essay on Laura Bush.

OK - but sort of seriously - I don't think the general public at all consider the idea of reptilians and possibly the majority of the alternative community scoff at it also - so it's not really an idea that's being pushed by anyone who you would think would have an agenda.
I've really only heard 4 people speak about it - Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, Credo Muttwah and Arizona Wilder. Yes, there are people picking it up and running with it on blogs etc, but they;re only passing on what these people have said - so I'm not counting them in with the 4.

I would think that if the general public did seriously believe that reptilians were inhabiting their politicians they would be out in force with their guns - and possibly that's one of the reasons 'they' are looking to disarm the US citizens.

[ktlight]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Just a thought, Bodixa - but maybe they hide because we wouldn't let them do it if we knew the truth.

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

I agree with what you say about worship, applied to all religions, and that it is upside down thinking.

Religion is a tool, so it is the people they fear, which is why they wish to remain hidden and for religion to remain in place. If we were all aware of this as a fact, they would lose control by use of that instrument. It would no longer work because they would be seen.

Please expand about reptilians, so that I can know how to answer you.

Hope this makes sense.

[ktlight]

There are numerous legends of reptiles founding ancient civilizations: Mesopotamia, Egypt, India, China, etc.

A good book in this regard is Flying Serpents and Dragons by R.A. Boulay

The standard academic explanation is that legends and myths are simply fiction with perhaps some symbolic content. My approach, and I think the approach that we should actually take, is that they are based on fact, elaborated certainly, but probably a genuine attempt to communicate truth.

Reading the historical record, we definitely have a reptilian past, and perhaps we have a reptilian present.

The sages say that truth is always stranger than fiction!!

[Pagan]

Well, this reptlian stuff closes more minds than it's opens, I think. It's vital to focus on understandable facts. This kind of things casts ridicule over the alternative media and the movement. Contraproductive. We do want people to wake up, not run away, or what?

[ktlight]

Well, this reptlian stuff closes more minds than it's opens, I think. It's vital to focus on understandable facts. This kind of things casts ridicule over the alternative media and the movement. Contraproductive. We do want people to wake up, not run away, or what?

I felt exactly that way when I first heard about it a few years ago. But now I accept the possibility or even probability, even though it is hard to accept. I don't think it would be in Credo Mutwa or David Icke to actually lie about it. I didn't run away.

[Pagan]

I felt exactly that way when I first heard about it a few years ago. But now I accept the possibility or even probability, even though it is hard to accept. I don't think it would be in Credo Mutwa or David Icke to actually lie about it. I didn't run away.

Ok, It's impossible to deny and likevise to prove. I wouldn't say Icke( I think Icke is a great mind, btw) or Mutwa lies about things, either. However the "reptilian-topic" is pretty outlandish for most people and there is certainly no evidence for it, same time on my own behalf I don't deny anything, cause I don't know and I don't think anybody else can say they know, proveing they do. The reptiles in the sumerian etc mythologies could be metaphors for whatever . In christianity the snake is a negative symbol, in nordic mythology it is something positive(as same goes for the goat). In my world, the religions destroyed our planet(judaism, christianity and islam) My point is here: There is lots of things to put out in daylight that many people could grasp and understand. So focusing on those things would benefit our common cause.

[ktlight]

I felt exactly that way when I first heard about it a few years ago. But now I accept the possibility or even probability, even though it is hard to accept. I don't think it would be in Credo Mutwa or David Icke to actually lie about it. I didn't run away.

Ok, It's impossible to deny and likevise to prove. I wouldn't say Icke( I think Icke is a great mind, btw) or Mutwa lies about things, either. However the "reptilian-topic" is pretty outlandish for most people and there is certainly no evidence for it, same time on my own behalf I don't deny anything, cause I don't know and I don't think anybody else can say they know, proveing they do. The reptiles in the sumerian etc mythologies could be metaphors for whatever . In christianity the snake is a negative symbol, in nordic mythology it is something positive(as same goes for the goat). In my world, the religions destroyed our planet(judaism, christianity and islam) My point is here: There is lots of things to put out in daylight that many people could grasp and understand. So focusing on those things would benefit our common cause.

What you say makes sense. However, it is not always the case that we humans can grasp everything at first hearing or sight.

[Chelle]

When I read some of Cathy O'Brien book (very hard to read and I couldn't finish it because it was too upsetting) I'm sure she said that the people using her were not reptilian or aliens but just wanted her to think they were so that she felt powerless. They used technology to project themselves as reptilian but they actually were only human.

Chelle

[Chelle]

Here's an idea. What if Mr Icke (love him dearly) is actually being used by the PTB to project the existence of Reptilians out to the public in a negative light. I don't think Mr Icke has ever actually encountered a Reptilian first hand, I think in his books he always goes by what other people have told him (could be wrong).
Chelle

[ktlight]

Here's an idea. What if Mr Icke (love him dearly) is actually being used by the PTB to project the existence of Reptilians out to the public in a negative light. I don't think Mr Icke has never actually encountered a Reptilian first hand, I think in his books he always goes by what other people have told him (could be wrong).
Chelle

I don't think he says what he says merely because of having heard it from someone else. He is not the first to have made that claim. Jim Morrison, who was a musician, claimed it. His father was a someone in authority in the army, I think although I might be wrong here, and it was through his father that he learned about the reptilians. David Icke researches into history and many old societies, such as the Sumerians, etc., etc., in their mythology and in their art depict such creatures.

I think Credo Mutwa depicted them also in his paintings and didn't claim that they were imaginary.

I don't feel it is in David Icke to be persuaded to present anything that he didn't feel it was right to do, let alone by the TPTB.

[Chelle]

Hi, I didn't say the reptilian species was imagined. It was just an idea, no offence meant. I know David Icke is not in with the PTB anyone can see that, he hates them.

[ktlight]

Hi, I didn't say the reptilian species was imagined. It was just an idea, no offence meant. I know David Icke is not in with the PTB anyone can see that, he hates them.

Hi Chelle, no offence taken.

[9eagle9]

The satanic part is just another label like good and evil. These occult powers that the PTB use only differentiate from other occult practices in that they have kept all that 'magickal' knowledge all in tact. Some use it for whatever reason (not for world dominion ...lol) and use the same thing for a different purpose.(world domination)

The only difference is the blood.

Sacrifice and blood (bloodlines) seem to be what this all hinges on. Feeding on negative energy? Or the chemicals (pheromones perhaps) released into the blood when one is tortured and then killed in sacrifice. That's alchemy. Blood represents dna, its a whole microcosm on it's own. We've had lots of alchemical and magickal discussions in here lately. People are putting two and two together there isn't a great divide between science and 'magick'. It was a created divide. Deliberately. It's all been fragmented into separate schisms but when you bring it all back to together it becomes a functioning process again. The PTB have kept this process in tact, and most people are ignorant of it. But its just a process. Many use it to maintain control.

I've always regarded Christianity in the mainstream as demon or satanic worship. In a covert sense. They seemed to exert a lot of energy avoiding the devil even as they talk about how the devil is lurking behind every door. Devil this, Satan that,Lucifer there, Beezlebub here. Hell, brimstone, fire. That's feeding a lot of energy into 'the devil'.Giving power to that sort schism if it actually exists. You focus on something that much you are lending power to it even if its a sort of self victimization. And those weird notions that you 'never know for sure' if your right or wrong. Good can be evil. Be careful tempation is in every thought and action. You don't really know , its all a mystery. God loves you but god is vengeful and will punish you even though god is all loving, god is all powerful but someone helpless to correct things and its all explained away as some great mystery that we are not to know even as we are urged to seek and find...

GEEZ, Lew-eeeeze. I wrote a book about ten years ago that predicted that people would be driven crazy by their own morality. I guess they were doing it all along.

These things can't be all powerful or omnipotent because omnipotent beings wouldn't have to operate in such a covert way.

[ktlight]

Sacrifice and blood (bloodlines) seem to be what this all hinges on. Feeding on negative energy? Or the chemicals (pheromones perhaps) released into the blood when one is tortured and then killed in sacrifice. That's alchemy. Blood represents dna, its a whole microcosm on it's own. We've had lots of alchemical and magickal discussions in here lately. People are putting two and two together there isn't a great divide between science and 'magick'. It was a created divide. Deliberately. It's all been fragmented into separate schisms but when you bring it all back to together it becomes a functioning process again. The PTB have kept this process in tact, and most people are ignorant of it. But its just a process. Many use it to maintain control.

I've always regarded Christianity in the mainstream as demon or satanic worship. In a covert sense. They seemed to exert a lot of energy avoiding the devil even as they talk about how the devil is lurking behind every door. Devil this, Satan that,Lucifer there, Beezlebub here. Hell, brimstone, fire. That's feeding a lot of energy into 'the devil'.Giving power to that sort schism if it actually exists. You focus on something that much you are lending power to it even if its a sort of self victimization. And those weird notions that you 'never know for sure' if your right or wrong. Good can be evil. Be careful tempation is in every thought and action. You don't really know , its all a mystery. God loves you but god is vengeful and will punish you even though god is all loving, god is all powerful but someone helpless to correct things and its all explained away as some great mystery that we are not to know even as we are urged to seek and find...

GEEZ, Lew-eeeeze. I wrote a book about ten years ago that predicted that people would be driven crazy by their own morality. I guess they were doing it all along.

These things can't be all powerful or omnipotent because omnipotent beings wouldn't have to operate in such a covert way.

The only thing I oppose in what you say is that God is a vengeful god. The God I know is only love, doesn't want or need sacrifices, is not jealous, is not vengeful, is ONLY LOVE.

Was that your first book?

[Teakai]

Here's an idea. What if Mr Icke (love him dearly) is actually being used by the PTB to project the existence of Reptilians out to the public in a negative light. I don't think Mr Icke has ever actually encountered a Reptilian first hand, I think in his books he always goes by what other people have told him (could be wrong).
Chelle

For what purpose, though, Chelle?

[Chelle]

Hi Teakai,

I'm not sure why, just thought it was best to question everything. I like Icke alot, but because I have never personally encountered a reptilian or any type of alien myself (nor do I really want to due to the amount of bad experiences out there) then I just have to question all the shape-shifting theories with the PTB. Like Cathy O'Brien says, they told her they were aliens and took reptilian forms via technology merely to frighten her into feeling helpless when actually they were just like the rest of us, and only human. Maybe this is why they put the same info out via Icke--so that we all feel the same. I don't really know--I'm just questioning everything I suppose.

UPDATE
I've just remembered something--a few years ago I was watching the news at 10 when I saw strange skin things going on during an interview with a labour politician--it was that strange even my daughter commented. Ill try and find it on you tube and provide a link later---back soon.

UPDATE
Hi again--sorry about that had to take my daughter to a party--anyway I've found it ----look at Hazel Blears grovels an apology to Gorden Brown (12Jun09) at about 1 min and again at 1.48 mins.

Ill try and embed it if not here's the link:

http://youtu.be/ITEAVGhoj9k


ITEAVGhoj9k

Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.



Chelle

[Pagan]

Send an mail to the cameraman and ask him/her if something strange occured with her face during the interview. The digitalized picture behaves a bit different from the old tech ones, this we all have seen.

Another "evidence" for reptilians, the daddy bush-video talking to clinton, there at first hand the eyes of bush, certainly looks strange but when analyzing it a bit one can see that when, bush tilts his head the "reptile" pupils does not tilt along with the head, the "reptile" pupil-shape follows the vertical straight fashion, wich leads to believe its an light issue. video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwKcjRD1DNE

[bodixa]

Hi Teakai,

I'm not sure why, just thought it was best to question everything. I like Icke alot, but because I have never personally encountered a reptilian or any type of alien myself (nor do I really want to due to the amount of bad experiences out there) then I just have to question all the shape-shifting theories with the PTB. Like Cathy O'Brien says, they told her they were aliens and took reptilian forms via technology merely to frighten her into feeling helpless when actually they were just like the rest of us, and only human. Maybe this is why they put the same info out via Icke--so that we all feel the same. I don't really know--I'm just questioning everything I suppose.

UPDATE
I've just remembered something--a few years ago I was watching the news at 10 when I saw strange skin things going on during an interview with a labour politician--it was that strange even my daughter commented. Ill try and find it on you tube and provide a link later---back soon.

UPDATE
Hi again--sorry about that had to take my daughter to a party--anyway I've found it ----look at Hazel Blears grovels an apology to Gorden Brown (12Jun09) at about 1 min and again at 1.48 mins.

Ill try and embed it if not here's the link:

http://youtu.be/ITEAVGhoj9k


ITEAVGhoj9k

Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.



Chelle

My thought from a technical point of view is that this is being filmed by a digital camera and possibly streamed live where it was been captured and edited in teh studio. At some point there is interference in transmission and you get the effect of compression on the image - pixelation. Because she is fair and has freckles the freckles seem to 'grow' but it's just that the image is unable to refresh so it leaves a bunch of captured frames in a kind of 'hold' position overlaying eachother... This is just the imaging codecs trying to rationalise eachother. Hard to explain in just a few lines. Others will probably do a better job.

So, digital capture, streamed to studio where edited. - or a problem withe the camera - running like a computer it 'freezes' briefly or slows down its image processing.

Also, skin is very transluscent - think about when you hold your hand up to a light. If there is any form of artificial studio lighting this can emphasise some things and warp others. With Hazel, what appears to be a floppy neck, is just repeated images of the same neck appearing in different positions because she is moving.

Thanks Chelle - brilliant example.

EDIT: Here''s another alternative - the person who recorded this could have done so via SKY TV (Satellite) and there was some interference on the way to the TV or capture device of whoever uploaded this video. Anywhere along the line if there was interference in the sending or capture of the data it would create that effect.

[wynderer]

Although I have to acknowledge that 'satanic' rituals and belief have some stronghold in the corridors of power, for some reason these stories of reptilian posession just don't wash with me, never have.

Either it's all nonsense

or..

Why do they have to be sneaky? If they are so powerful and sooooo clever and have so much spiritual, financial and technological influence behind them, why do they seem to be doing such a botch job and making such a mess? Why hide? Surely if they were as powerful and smart as these videos make them out to be, things (like this video) wouldn't look like a Hollywood B movie.

Is it because those who operate in the shadows fear the light? Are they not actually that powerful after all? To hide behind dark rituals and sneak around in the closet summoning dark entities to get what you want is smart is it?

Oh, come off it. I'm becoming increasingly convinced of a double bluff. They don't want to be seen why? Because they don't want to frighten the people?

It's not a reasonable argument at any level. Not theirs or ours. So I have to personally conclude that it's mostly nonesense, and a bunch of doctored videos to look like reptilian eyes.

What better way to disempower people than repeatedly tell them that they have no influence over their own governments and never will.

Just a thought, Bodixa - but maybe they hide because we wouldn't let them do it if we knew the truth.

Exactly - which means they are not very powerful at all...

So the argument cancels itself out.

It's my opinion that the ongoing 'sacrificial' and worship practices of some interpretations of Christianity that are mainstream actually perpetuate the problem. Worship is a big problem to humanity, in my opinion. It's upside down thinking and it actually helps them.

But to say that they hide because the US is Christian and wouldn't allow it, doesn't make sense. Does this mean that they fear the church? In which case.. let's all go back to church!! The church is more aware than any other body out there of the reality of demon possession, and many Christians would completely acknowledge without dispute that 'Satan' has his strongholds in the corridors of power and that is why things are such a mess. THAT argument in itself has led to an ACCEPTANCE of the world and its status quo, and the idea that there can never be peace in the Middle East - the Zionist ideas, the antichrist, and so on...

So the massively influential, mostly conservative Church in the USA and Europe has named the darkness as 'Satan' (which is another debate in itself) and accepted the way things are into its own eschatology. (This is not true accross the board and the church is very complex... there are now a number of Christian grass roots movements supporting Palestine, for instance..)

It's all a mess. But reptilian shapeshifters? What would they be afraid of?

An important issue for the alternative media community I feel. I'd like to thrash it out. I'm always open to having my opinion shifted.

they've been ruling & controlling Earth Humans since ancient Sumerian times, if not before -- personally, i do not underestimate them -- the dumbing down of & lack of compassion in most Humans says to me that they know what they are doing, & are doing it quite well

edit to add [after reading posts from folks who don't 'believe' in Reptilians] : most abductees do not talk about their experiences, precisely because , even in the 'alternative news/info' crowd, we get mocked, are told we are delusional, etc

just imo, but a knee-jerk reaction of 'not believing' comes usually from one's own unacknowledged fear, or, if you're a TV watcher or video game player, from subliminals directing your thoughts toward this unbelief -- thus allowing the Reptilians & buddies to continue operating in the shadows, which works very well for them

[Rocky_Shorz]

pretty Icke picture you're painting David...

I pulled back the curtain on the wizard of Oz and found the monster...

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[bodixa]

I'm not scared of reptilians. I'm scared of those guffawing men in chinos in Alex Jones' Bohemian Grove video dressing up like a bunch of teengers at a D&D night and then driving home in their black Suburbans to run the country.

[wynderer]

I get a bit confused about the reptilian thing - one one hand I've heard they were here first and they live underground.

And then there's the theory that they're fourth dimensional entities who require a human host to be able to exist in this dimension. Possibly these are what are referred to as demons in scriptural writings?

Maybe there are demons and reptilians?
Cripes - maybe there's a whole legion of negative energies and entities in this dimension.

Hi Teakai -- just my personal opinion [i'm an abductee] -- i don't believe that the Reptilians were here on Earth before the Humans -- i believe that Humans are native to this planet, & the Reptilians came from elsewhere, later, & started messing around w/Human & other Earth Animal DNA when they got here-- the Reptilians think that lying is a fair tactic -- persuading Humans that they [Reps] were here first is another little mind manipulation going on, imo --

[billyji]

I was suprised and very pleased to see David Ike showing a small clip of the Holly Greig story in this Video, This has been Scotlands disgrace for a few years now.

Google Holly Greig to find out about this horrific ongoing story. Holly deserves justice

[Chelle]

Holly deserves justice

I second/third/forth/fifth etc etc that.

Chelle

[Teakai]

Hi Teakai -- just my personal opinion [i'm an abductee] -- i don't believe that the Reptilians were here on Earth before the Humans -- i believe that Humans are native to this planet, & the Reptilians came from elsewhere, later, & started messing around w/Human & other Earth Animal DNA when they got here-- the Reptilians think that lying is a fair tactic -- persuading Humans that they [Reps] were here first is another little mind manipulation going on, imo --

Thanks, Wynderer. Do you see them as phsyical entities that can exist on this planet in their own physicality - or do you see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest?

And, who were you abducted by? Don't answer if it's too personal.

[Teakai]

I'm not scared of reptilians. I'm scared of those guffawing men in chinos in Alex Jones' Bohemian Grove video dressing up like a bunch of teengers at a D&D night and then driving home in their black Suburbans to run the country.

:lol: that cracked me up, Bodixa.

[noprophet]

A few very traditional reptilian features. Just some interesting things I noticed. Not saying one way or the other.


Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll296/nearmys/reptile.jpg

[3optic]

A few very traditional reptilian features. Just some interesting things I noticed. Not saying one way or the other.


Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.


Hi Noprophet. It's the video equivalent of a motion blur perhaps? I really think this type of analysis is highly problematic. Not to say one can't spot some curious anomalies but they seem to be rare and maybe not worth the hours spent pouring over the images.

[9eagle9]

I stay out of the whole digitized thingy. If you speak to a person whose a hep up with digital technology they'll take your head off for suggesting some sort of anomaly light or otherwise could occur with digital cameras because apparently its some pure perfection science.

Then you speak to the next group and anything weird that shows up is ONLY because it could be a trick of the light or camera.

The two factions should meet up one day and have rumble.

[bodixa]

A few very traditional reptilian features. Just some interesting things I noticed. Not saying one way or the other.


Maybe a technical person out there could explain why this might occur? It certainly looks very strange and what I find really strange is it only occurs on her skin and not on the background. I'd also like to add that this is exactly the same as I saw it on the TV, in other words, a you-tuber hasn't doctored it in any way.


Hi Noprophet. It's the video equivalent of a motion blur perhaps? I really think this type of analysis is highly problematic. Not to say one can't spot some curious anomalies but they seem to be rare and maybe not worth the hours spent pouring over the images.

I completely agree with you.

I also think that kind of analysis (circling reptilian features on someone's face) is both abusive and libelous. I've never said this before on Avalon, but I will now. Unless you want to walk up to this people and have it out with them and their alleged reptilian occupants, I suggest a little restraint. Some of these people have worked hard for a career in public service just to be told they are controlled by trans-dimensional evil forces?

and... out

[Revere]

I do not know about the actual existence of Reptilians. But, I do believe that we are in a Universal, multidimensional, multiverseal, etc., etc, war between Good and Evil which battles in all aspects of our perceived and potential reality at this time. Choose the Good side with all the fiber in you and make a difference.

There are powers beyond TPTB and the lie is different at every level of all these structures, even beyond them. That is our situation IMHO. Not choosing is making a choice. Battles will be won and lost but in the end Good prevails. I cheated and read ahead. LOL

Love to you all!

Peace,

-R-

[Lazlo]

Are the reptilians really powerful and able to control things? Or are they not powerful because they use deceit and work behind the scenes?

I would use the analogy of a grizzly bear ( I lived and worked in the outdoors for several years in grizzly country )

You almost never see a grizzly, and when you do, it is usually just a flash of their rump disappearing from view. They don't affect your life in an everyday fashion, but you are aware of them, and you don't go out of your way to get sideways with one.

If you are so unlucky as to get face to face with one, there is no doubt that you are an inferior being, and the grizzly is wondering just how you will taste. You can empty your gun into one and it will still not save you once that bear has decided to make a go at you. Pepper spray is just seasoning..yummy!

A human stands no practical chance of surviving such an encounter. Clearly grizzly bears are superior to humans.

But...

Grizzlies don't go around picking fights with humans because they are not dumb either. Not just a single bear, but the entire population stands no chance when humans, as a group decide that, YES, Grizzlies are a danger to our well being and way of life and we will wipe them out.

[noprophet]

I also think that kind of analysis (circling reptilian features on someone's face) is both abusive and libelous. I've never said this before on Avalon, but I will now. Unless you want to walk up to this people and have it out with them and their alleged reptilian occupants, I suggest a little restraint. Some of these people have worked hard for a career in public service just to be told they are controlled by trans-dimensional evil forces?


I'm not having it out with anyone. If reptilians do exist "I ain't even mad."

Call it however you like. Maybe I just like to circle film anomalies.

I've got weird hobbies.

Here's a couple other film anomaly collectibles:

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uKKXXpkp6Wk

[Pagan]

This is just plain BS. Imagine the other people around in the studio, what would they do if her face really started to change like it does in the video. No one reacted at all... This is just some digital picture distortion. Waste of time, this crap! ;)

[noprophet]

This is just plain BS. Imagine the other people around in the studio, what would they do if her face really started to change like it does in the video. No one reacted at all... This is just some digital picture distortion. Waste of time, this crap! ;)

Hey man, I don't know what your talking about. Like I said - i just collect video anomalies.

I don't think her face changed like that in real life. That's just silly. :)

[buffski]

This is just plain BS. Imagine the other people around in the studio, what would they do if her face really started to change like it does in the video. No one reacted at all... This is just some digital picture distortion. Waste of time, this crap! ;)

I concur completely Pagan.
Methinks I might be orf soon...for avalon appears to have sprouted helium balloons of late.
Fly me to Vilcabamba, let me play amongst the stars,
Let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars (attacks)

[Möbius]

Maybe they did live in our dimension and then used their technology to jump to the 4th dimension (astral plane) when it became too cold for them during the last iceage. Check out Peggy Kane's research. The best way to retain power and control is when no one knows that you are running the show just like the Royal Family.

Mobius


I get a bit confused about the reptilian thing - one one hand I've heard they were here first and they live underground.

And then there's the theory that they're fourth dimensional entities who require a human host to be able to exist in this dimension. Possibly these are what are referred to as demons in scriptural writings?

Maybe there are demons and reptilians?
Cripes - maybe there's a whole legion of negative energies and entities in this dimension.

[Teakai]

This is just plain BS. Imagine the other people around in the studio, what would they do if her face really started to change like it does in the video. No one reacted at all... This is just some digital picture distortion. Waste of time, this crap! ;)

But maybe the distortion is only being picked up by and seen through the lens and missed by human perception.

[Pagan]

But maybe the distortion is only being picked up by and seen through the lens and missed by human perception.

Well, Go find this kind a "fenomena" From material pre-digital age. Good luck!

Ps It just takes some ability in analyzis and an open mind to see what this is.

Amen

[ktlight]

We all have the reptiloid remnant inside our brain, part of evolution as we grow in the womb.

[wynderer]

Hi Teakai -- just my personal opinion [i'm an abductee] -- i don't believe that the Reptilians were here on Earth before the Humans -- i believe that Humans are native to this planet, & the Reptilians came from elsewhere, later, & started messing around w/Human & other Earth Animal DNA when they got here-- the Reptilians think that lying is a fair tactic -- persuading Humans that they [Reps] were here first is another little mind manipulation going on, imo --

Thanks, Wynderer. Do you see them as phsyical entities that can exist on this planet in their own physicality - or do you see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest?

And, who were you abducted by? Don't answer if it's too personal.

Hi Teakai -- thanks for responding -- i see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest -- i don't know if they were originally 3D entities & lost the right /ability to manifest in 3D -- but they seem to be stuck in the astral planes & , up till now, it's been thru specifically manipulated Human bodies [the bloodlines -- the masses were manipulated in other ways ] that they [Reptilians] have been able to experience what we call physicality

now they apparently have perfected their hybrid process enough to be able to extend their control of & influence on Earth

re being abducted -- a long story & one, like most other abductees, i am hesitant to share -- but here's the gist of it-- i have all the childhood experiences /memories/ signs of being a lifelong abductee -- about 10 yrs ago i fought to stay awake when i was being abducted -- 3 Greys floated me to a small ship, where i finally got to meet my abductor while [mostly] in a conscious state -- i called him the lizardy-looking dude until i learned online that he fits the description of a Reptilian, specifically a Draco

[modwiz]

I was amazed when I site that hasn't had a fresh post in months put up this one:http://montalk.net/gnosis/192/6-nordic-aliens-the-grail-race

It ties into the discussion here and elsewhere on Avalon.

[wynderer]

I was amazed when I site that hasn't had a fresh post in months put up this one:http://montalk.net/gnosis/192/6-nordic-aliens-the-grail-race

It ties into the discussion here and elsewhere on Avalon.

Hi Modwiz -- i'm glad to see that Tom from montalk is writing again -- he had a good forum going for a while, till he closed it down & backed off the net for awhile

here's a link to his 'aliens' page
http://montalk.net/alien

i generally agree w/his take on things

[Teakai]

Hi Teakai -- thanks for responding -- i see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest -- i don't know if they were originally 3D entities & lost the right /ability to manifest in 3D -- but they seem to be stuck in the astral planes & , up till now, it's been thru specifically manipulated Human bodies [the bloodlines -- the masses were manipulated in other ways ] that they [Reptilians] have been able to experience what we call physicality

now they apparently have perfected their hybrid process enough to be able to extend their control of & influence on Earth

re being abducted -- a long story & one, like most other abductees, i am hesitant to share -- but here's the gist of it-- i have all the childhood experiences /memories/ signs of being a lifelong abductee -- about 10 yrs ago i fought to stay awake when i was being abducted -- 3 Greys floated me to a small ship, where i finally got to meet my abductor while [mostly] in a conscious state -- i called him the lizardy-looking dude until i learned online that he fits the description of a Reptilian, specifically a Draco

Thanks, Wynderer - again, if it's not too personal -are you still being abducted? And what feelings do these beings inspire in you? Are they friendly? Do they communicate? Are you aware of just what they've been doing to you?

I thought maybe I should pm this, but it is on topic so I leaned toward keeping it here.

Again, please don't answer if the questions make you uncomfortable - I just can't help asking, though - it's so fascinating. (And feel free to pm - if you don't want to answer publicly.)

[Teakai]

But maybe the distortion is only being picked up by and seen through the lens and missed by human perception.

Well, Go find this kind a "fenomena" From material pre-digital age. Good luck!

Ps It just takes some ability in analyzis and an open mind to see what this is.

Amen

Hi Pagan, David Icke has a portrait/photo from the 18th century or thereabout which he shows of a guy with reptilain pupils.

The things is - we're really only aware of it now and becomming aware of it because of the interent. In this digital age we can catch it and share it.

Here's an old picture - this isn't the David Icke one.

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[Chelle]

see them as fourth dimensional using a particular bloodline in order to manifest -- i don't know if they were originally 3D entities & lost the right /ability to manifest in 3D -- but they seem to be stuck in the astral planes & , up till now, it's been thru specifically manipulated Human bodies [the bloodlines -- the masses were manipulated in other ways ] that they [Reptilians] have been able to experience what we call physicality

now they apparently have perfected their hybrid process enough to be able to extend their control of & influence on Earth

Hi Wynderer,
Are all reptilian species using human bodies bad influences or could it be that some are good?
Are the humans that are manipulated by the reptilians aware of the manipulation?
When you say stuck in the Astral planes is this good or bad?

If you feel these are stupid question please disregard, I'm just really interested.

[dendraw]

Hello all! Interesting comments (just realized there are 4 pages to this thread....yikes!). Well, in any case, coming from a Christian background myself (as a kid), you just listened and followed. It wasn't until I left the Church (age 18) and years later (28 or 29) suffered what one might call inner turmoil, that I started to search for a reconnection to "spirituality". I remember that I was so depressed and felt lost that I made this "plea"....to what I didn't know at the time, but something happened after that day. I think because the plea was so sincere, I had opened a door that showed me a different Path. The ideas I study now are based on Theosophical teachings. That for a "former" Christian were very challenging. I think a very simple concept that when it's reversed is one of the main causes of so much turmoil and strain to humanity today! It's when the "God" idea is taken from within and perceived outside and separated from each of us. It's this idea that keeps the "Church" in such a stronghold. That fact that those who feel they have to pray for help, or forgiveness or what have you to a source outside of themselves really snuffs out the individuals duty of responsibility! We become the eternal "helpless" victim. Always, leaving the task at hand to a source outside yourself. But, when you turn that idea inward and you understand the laws of "cause" and "effect", you start to see that YOUR thoughts and actions are put into motion by YOU and therefore are YOUR responsibility! So to the question of Reptilians and the like, as I've read, there are whole hierarchies of "Elementals and Elementaries" that take on the clothes or form we impress on them and if we allow our minds to be constantly immersed in this lower expression of our nature, this seems to make the "perfect" playground for these types of entities to participate on the scene. So I see these situations as "they only have the power we give them"! Anyway, gotta go to bed now!!! Night all!