The E.U. Cracks Up

[ktlight]

Political upheaval has hit Finland, and it’s merely a foreshadowing of bigger changes ahead. The core issue is whether Finland ought to be paying for bailouts for other EU states. In reaction to establishment support for the bailout, voters ousted the pro-bailout ruling party and gave an upset victory to the bailout-critical conservative party. Against every expectation, the eternal rule of the social democrats is at an end.

But most striking of all are the gains made by a previously invisible party called True Finns. This is the only party to take a hardcore position: no bailouts at all. It also so happens that this party is predictably nationalist on issues of trade and immigration. But that’s not the source of the appeal. The bailout is what is on everyone’s mind. And you know that the anger must be palpable if it fired up the usually sleepy world of Finnish politics.

source
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article27638.html

[Seikou-Kishi]

Glad tidings indeed

[Fred259]

Well done the Finns.

Finland is an example of a responsible country. Guess like the rest of us they have had enough…

[Pagan]

Here we go! :)

[Gajanana]

true finns also happens to be a right-wing racist party... according to danish news.

[super t]

true finns also happens to be a right-wing racist party... according to danish news.

They are just scared in Denmark about Danske banks situation, that´s why the propaganda gets bloated...These guys are the average Joe´s of Finland, not some KKK-members like the Danish and Swedish-press wants to portray them!

[butcherman]

the pack of cards is about to fall thanks kt

[Carmody]

Political upheaval has hit Finland, and it’s merely a foreshadowing of bigger changes ahead. The core issue is whether Finland ought to be paying for bailouts for other EU states. In reaction to establishment support for the bailout, voters ousted the pro-bailout ruling party and gave an upset victory to the bailout-critical conservative party. Against every expectation, the eternal rule of the social democrats is at an end.

But most striking of all are the gains made by a previously invisible party called True Finns. This is the only party to take a hardcore position: no bailouts at all. It also so happens that this party is predictably nationalist on issues of trade and immigration. But that’s not the source of the appeal. The bailout is what is on everyone’s mind. And you know that the anger must be palpable if it fired up the usually sleepy world of Finnish politics.

source
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article27638.html

Don't mess with the Finns.

The Russians and the Germans know that. :p

Please consider:

That the EU, possibly....was designed to fail, from the ground up.Always look at all potential in a situation, even the ones you cannot yet see or understand. Meaning the first answer is not always the correct one.

[Kamikaze]

As racist as trying to remove the obligatory Swedish language class from Finnish schools... Oh woes they are after the swedes! All Swedish speaking Finns need to flee! There gonna be persecuted!
>_>;
I don't think it's needed to be obligatory as it is currently, never needed to be either.

I may have chosen the Swedish flag under my name but I'm a Finnish citizen though I'm born and raised in Sweden and live there. (Finnish parents)
So I would say Finnish roots but a Swedish upbringing. I visit Finland every year and went my 6 month's obligatory military conscription there as well.
The racism line some news try to paint the party as are really going with their own agendas and deals to spook, discredit and whatever.
Sure I can contend that "outsiders" aren't greeted in the best ways all around. Could I call it hillbilly'ism? Basic line being they just have interacted just to little with 'foreign' cultures in true sense to get used to them. I think is susceptibility to change and then uncertainty what is their own culture really like at all, it's not really yet cemented. Just pushing their own demons and frustrations onto others.
Just the regular uncertainty anyone would face in anywhere in the world how to treat this new stuff. I see a lot of old style values portrayed still in Finland in the northern sides. Old decaying jobless place. The only real gripe is they steal 'their' jobs as there are so few anyway(but the jobs would be mostly vacant anyway as the young Finns flee the areas to the larger southern cities)..

The huge vote for the True Finns party can be merited mostly to their differing political goals. Not the old same line every other party goes for working together. It was such a bore I hated to look at it. I never wanted Finland to join the euro but was sadly still to young to vote yet back then.
I saw much skepticism about it back then as well but the 'all for' political block and campaign as such really just pushed undecided and less interested people to go with the flow..
I'm pleasantly surprised by this new wind and got interested to have actually thought I should have voted now.
Strangely I never got my voting ballot stuff this year...

I could say at the moment I fully support the true Finns but I would completely reject the Swedish Democrats (sverigedemokaterna).
But I would contend to I hope the True Finns keep the immigrant issue to a minimum. It's not really a issue as I see it. More a issue on the side of the Finns rather than the ones coming in. Sure they would like to keep thugs and criminals away but it's overplayed in my eyes.

[Pilgrim]

Congratulations to Suomi, Finns have reason, common sense and discernment. I admire them. Brave and smart, and mainly straighforward people naming things as they are. Why shall anybody pay for mess which someone else has done? I have got some first hand experience with EU projects. Please.. Europeans wake up before they destroy everything. Changes on all levels of EU, restructuring system in simple and easy understandable platform, and of course, efficient control mechanism should be implemented as fast as possible. Yesterday it was late already. These elitists, technocrats and Bxs buro ghosts are totally out of control (and out of subject too). To comprehand EU system, how it works, what is what, and who is responsible for this or that is almost a mission impossible, even more, you need to graduate University to get some idea how it really works. No wonder, ordinary people are so distant to this concept. I would like to be an optimist, although, unfortunatelly , thi is not the case. Once again, well done Finns!

[Fred259]

Wonderful Post Pilgrim….I love you “buro ghosts” expression so much so I though you would like a picture of the chief ghost your friend Herman Van Rompey the Big Chief Buro Ghost.

This is quite an interesting thread stretching around the periphery of Europe. What is the general feeling then about the EU in the Czech Republic Pilgrim, I agree with the comments in your post; but what do people on the streets think about the EU, students and business people for example. I would image in general they would be in favour of the EU, is this the case?

In the UK apart from being concerned about the rise of the EU, we are particularly concerned about the new European arrest warrant. It really does put tremendous power in the hands of Europol and could for example see you Pilgrim being arrested in Prague and detained in an Irish prison for example, or anywhere in the EU for that matter.

The second point I would like to highlight is the abolition of the death penalty by Brussels throughout Europe. Many thought this was a good law. However they waited a short time and then reintroduced the death penalty for those who speak out against the EU during a time of crisis. Are you folks aware of this?



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Herman Van Rompey.
European President (unelected)

[Lord Sidious]

true finns also happens to be a right-wing racist party... according to danish news.

Anyone that even appears to be slightly to the ''right'' of rosa luxemburg is a right wing racist party these days.



Don't mess with the Finns.

The Russians and the Germans know that. :p

Please consider:

That the EU, possibly....was designed to fail, from the ground up.Always look at all potential in a situation, even the ones you cannot yet see or understand. Meaning the first answer is not always the correct one.

Erm, the Finns were some of the best friends the Reich had.
In fact, Mannerheim and Hitler were friends.
They had a common enemy, the communist juggernaut to their east.

[Kamikaze]

Erm, the Finns were some of the best friends the Reich had.
In fact, Mannerheim and Hitler were friends.
They had a common enemy, the communist juggernaut to their east.

Friends is stretching it a little I would say. More like mutual interests in cooperation to fight against their enemies.
The videos I've seen and texts read. Mannerheim wasn't at all fond of Hitler and quite cautious about him. Tolerable because they agreed to come to the Finns help after all, though slim-line help I would say.
The Germans might have liked the Finns a lot but the same maybe wasn't true in full regard back towards them, true they softened up to them after a little while in spirit of cooperation. The Finns would have wanted help from elsewhere but really didn't get it because of political agendas and cowardice.

[Lord Sidious]

Erm, the Finns were some of the best friends the Reich had.
In fact, Mannerheim and Hitler were friends.
They had a common enemy, the communist juggernaut to their east.

Friends is stretching it a little I would say. More like mutual interests in cooperation to fight against their enemies.
The videos I've seen and texts read. Mannerheim wasn't at all fond of Hitler and quite cautious about him. Tolerable because they agreed to come to the Finns help after all, though slim-line help I would say.
The Germans might have liked the Finns a lot but the same maybe wasn't true in full regard back towards them, true they softened up to them after a little while in spirit of cooperation. The Finns would have wanted help from elsewhere but really didn't get it because of political agendas and cowardice.

Germany was the only ones to help them.
And of course they would be cautious, they would be negligent to not be.
And you do know that nations sign treaties because they have mutual interests? Much like people contracting, who would contract if there was nothing in it for them?

[ktlight]

Erm, the Finns were some of the best friends the Reich had.
In fact, Mannerheim and Hitler were friends.
They had a common enemy, the communist juggernaut to their east.

Friends is stretching it a little I would say. More like mutual interests in cooperation to fight against their enemies.
The videos I've seen and texts read. Mannerheim wasn't at all fond of Hitler and quite cautious about him. Tolerable because they agreed to come to the Finns help after all, though slim-line help I would say.
The Germans might have liked the Finns a lot but the same maybe wasn't true in full regard back towards them, true they softened up to them after a little while in spirit of cooperation. The Finns would have wanted help from elsewhere but really didn't get it because of political agendas and cowardice.

Germany was the only ones to help them.
And of course they would be cautious, they would be negligent to not be.
And you do know that nations sign treaties because they have mutual interests? Much like people contracting, who would contract if there was nothing in it for them?

Well, Lord Sidous, on another level, we all do or have done.

[Lord Sidious]

Erm, the Finns were some of the best friends the Reich had.
In fact, Mannerheim and Hitler were friends.
They had a common enemy, the communist juggernaut to their east.

Friends is stretching it a little I would say. More like mutual interests in cooperation to fight against their enemies.
The videos I've seen and texts read. Mannerheim wasn't at all fond of Hitler and quite cautious about him. Tolerable because they agreed to come to the Finns help after all, though slim-line help I would say.
The Germans might have liked the Finns a lot but the same maybe wasn't true in full regard back towards them, true they softened up to them after a little while in spirit of cooperation. The Finns would have wanted help from elsewhere but really didn't get it because of political agendas and cowardice.

Germany was the only ones to help them.
And of course they would be cautious, they would be negligent to not be.
And you do know that nations sign treaties because they have mutual interests? Much like people contracting, who would contract if there was nothing in it for them?

Well, Lord Sidous, on another level, we all do or have done.

Not usually by choice though.

[Fred259]

Lord,

I have a feeling perhaps a wee bit of the Scotland / England goes on between Sweden and Finland.

A bit of agrie bargie.

Yes, the English stole our Oil & Gas, but then they did pay us for it…well most of it by all accounts.

We stole the goalposts at Wembley, but then we did give them back….

I think this is what’s going on here, on both shores of the Gulf of Bothenia.

Perhaps the Finns are looking at the mess Sweden is in following mass Islamic immigration.

[Lord Sidious]

Lord,

I have a feeling perhaps a wee bit of the Scotland / England goes on between Sweden and Finland.

A bit of agrie bargie.

Yes, the English stole our Oil & Gas, but then they did pay us for it…well most of it by all accounts.

We stole the goalposts at Wembley, but then we did give them back….

I think this is what’s going on here, on both shores of the Gulf of Bothenia.

Perhaps the Finns are looking at the mess Sweden is in following mass Islamic immigration.

Yeah, there is that between the two.
I know a Swede in Finland and he was telling me about it.

[Icecold]

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“Some time late yesterday evening a tremor hit the EU. Its epicentre was Finland,” exclaimed BBC Europe editor Gavin Hewitt. “The consequences are unclear, but the True Finns party may now have real influence on whether Finland agrees to help bail out Portugal.” “What makes this election so significant is that it follows a pattern across Europe,” argued Hewitt. “Establishment and incumbent parties are being rejected. Nationalist parties are gaining influence. In the Netherlands, the anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders leads the country’s third largest party. In Italy the Northern League – hostile to immigration and wary of the EU – is increasingly powerful. In France, Marine Le Pen – who wants to abandon the euro – is showing strong support in the polls … politically, Europe is restive, unsettled, anxious and increasingly losing patience with the elites and the parties in power.“


Portugal, Greece, Ireland and Spain have all been living high on the hog courtesy of the Euro, well beyond their means. Many in the EU find this situation intolerable. Will they be left to take care of their debts?

UKIP Take Cheer from Victory of True Finns

It is fair to say that UKIP are ecstatic that their Finnish sister party have surged in Finland. Their tough on immigration, tough on the EU policies have seen the 16-year-old party surge from 4.1% of the vote in the last parliamentary election to 19.4%, tonight, taking their parliamentary representation from 5 to 39 MPs. At pixel time they have out-polled the Social Democrats and overnight smashed the Finnish pro-EU consensus.

No wonder Nigel Farage is smiling…

UPDATE: With 99.5% of the votes counted the True Finns were the only party to gain seats, taking 19.1% of the vote, level with the Social Democrats and just 1.2% behind the conservative National Coalition Party. It is the equivalent of UKIP gaining 120 Westminster seats…

[Pagan]

Nationalism is a negative term nowadays, it has become a synonyme to racism or say some powers made it to be so, made it to be a ugly word. What EU is about is simply to crush the nation states and remove the glue that keeps nation states together. This glue is nationalism. What keeps a family together, what keeps a village together, a county and in the extension the nation. If one does not have the sense of belonging to a society, there is no feeling of co-operation, moral values and obligations as one no longer have the feeling of belonging to the society. Flying like flakes for the wind.

[Fred259]

Indeed Ice,

The problem is we need to turn this into a Pan European democratic revolt telling these federalists that we insist on maintaining sovereignty our own money and above all armed forces.

Trump will help the Tea Party get Barry out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and back to Mombasa. Then we need the Americans to deal with the UN, which hopefully will go the same way as the EU.

Canada can sort itself out but make sure you deal with Quebec. In Australia if you get rid of the AV voting system, JG will go.

That’s it, so I suppose the only people who are really laughing right now are the Kiwis who are much more concerned about the All Blacks next tour of Aus rather than worry about wars in Afghanistan or oh sorry it’s Libya now.

[Lord Sidious]

Nationalism is a negative term nowadays, it has become a synonyme to racism or say some powers made it to be so, made it to be a ugly word. What EU is about is simply to crush the nation states and remove the glue that keeps nation states together. This glue is nationalism. What keeps a family together, what keeps a village together, a county and in the extension the nation. If one does not have the sense of belonging to a society, there is no feeling of co-operation, moral values and obligations as one no longer have the feeling of belonging to the society. Flying like flakes for the wind.

You are correct.
The dirtbags that are convincing people that it is bad is the internationalists who crave control.
What man or woman in their right mind would listen to the thief and put him in charge of the bank vault?

[ktlight]

What EU is about is simply to crush the nation states and remove the glue that keeps nation states together. This glue is nationalism. What keeps a family together, what keeps a village together, a county and in the extension the nation. If one does not have the sense of belonging to a society, there is no feeling of co-operation, moral values and obligations as one no longer have the feeling of belonging to the society. Flying like flakes for the wind.

You are correct.
The dirtbags that are convincing people that it is bad is the internationalists who crave control.
What man or woman in their right mind would listen to the thief and put him in charge of the bank vault?

My understanding then of glue is that it is fragmentary.

[rgray222]

We have a home in Finland and reside there a few months out of every year, it is about 250 km north of Helsinki just outside of the town of Riistina. This is my wife country and a place that remains near to our hearts and our daily lives. This is not about nationalism or any other "ism" it is simply common sense!

The bottom line here is that by centralizing the government of the EU it has neutered any ability of virtually all the Europeans countries to be in control of their own fate. This is precisely what the bankers and the PTB are attempting to do on a global basis. Once you remove the ability for any one country to print their own money then the decision making process moves elsewhere, in the case of Europe it is Brussels.

Why should Finland pay for the failures of other countries............if your neighbor(s) could not make their mortgage payment because of mismanagement or poor decision making does it then become your responsibility. Of course it does not, but this is what the EU would have you believe. Communism or for that matter any form of centralized government, like the EU always sounds and looks great on paper but in reality it has always been a nightmare. Many of the bloated government bureaucratic's live exceptionally well and the rest, for the most part live marginally or substandard.

Even the communist Chinese are in a race towards free markets...........have we learned nothing since the fall of Mother Russia and the rest of the communist world!