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Victoria Tintagel
6th May 2010, 16:38
Hi there, here's a short message by Benjamin Fulford, on the state of our planet, in a nutshell, but quite accurate, I think. On the news in Holland, quite some troublesome talks on how Europe is in a critical state, with Greece in turmoil and England, going through quite some government changes. Even in my country, Holland, the government has fallen apart, in march. We are without reign........... ;) except that we have a Queen and a Prince which will be King soon.

The US financial crisis is a historic opportunity for world peace
By Benjamin Fulford

The people of China and Japan now have in their hands a historic opportunity to create permanent peace on earth. The inbred clans that have been fomenting vast wars around the planet for the past several hundred years are bankrupt. If the Asians have the courage, they will demand, in exchange for agreeing to a bail-out, that the Americans and Europeans participate in negotiations to create a world government. This would not be the tyrannical New World Order long planned by the white elite. Rather it would be a government that works for the interests of the average person and life form on this planet. Such a government would be the minimum necessary to replace war with court battles and ensure equal opportunity for all humans and safety for all creatures.
We need such a government because humanity has already wiped out 30% of the species on the planet even as millions starve and wars rage. This is because the world financial system we know have acts like a giant black hole sucking money away from the poor and the weak. Simply by taking money from trillionaires who could never possibly spend it, we could put $100,000 in the hands of each person on earth.

The Chinese and Japanese now have the leverage to demand that the Americans open up their secret bases for world inspection as well as release all the technology they have hidden for their own benefit. With such technology we could make the deserts and arctic regions bloom with life even as we travel to the stars.

A world government would allow us to replenish the seas with fish and rebuild our precious eco-systems. The poor could become well-educated, well-nourished and filled with hope.

If on the other hand, the Asians agree to bail out the Nazis who have taken over the US government, they will continue with their horrific genocidal plans. They will simply continue to manufacture disease, war and starvation in order to maintain their grip on humanity.

We are at a historical moment of great import. We have reached a harmonic situation where the peoples of the world face a choice between a win-win solution and a lose-lose solution. I sure hope the Asians grab their destiny.

truthseekerdan
6th May 2010, 16:53
Great message :thumb: Thank you :)

Espavo ~ Dan :wub:

Fredkc
6th May 2010, 17:31
Well, I managed to get this far...

The people of China and Japan now have in their hands a historic opportunity to create permanent peace on earth. The inbred clans that have been fomenting vast wars around the planet for the past several hundred years are bankrupt. If the Asians have the courage, they will demand, in exchange for agreeing to a bail-out, that the Americans and Europeans participate in negotiations to create a world government. This would not be the tyrannical New World Order long planned by the white elite. Rather it would be a government that works for the interests of the average person and life form on this planet.

Sadly, the Chinese govt has no interest in "defeating" other factions for any other purpose than to replace them. You don't participate in the destruction of the west, by maintaining a 600,000 member homeless work force out of "brotherly love". They have spent the last 40 years getting this "leverage", and will cut off communications with any govt, or person who even mentions "human rights".

If you look at what they have done, globally, is exactly what the US did with their money during the 50's and 60's. the first example that comes to mind is oil.
http://fredsitelive.com/reference/chinaoil/images/20oil.gif

Since 2000 China has signed long term deals, oil for manufactured goods, or technology with everyone on that list, except the US, and Iraq. And they are working on Iraq. They are also doing the same re. food with places like Argentina, and Brazil. In fact, Brazil is now turning rain forest into farmland to satisfy those deals.

China sees all this as a "chessboard" no different from the "evil west".

Economics being what it is...
taking money from trillionaires who could never possibly spend it, we could put $100,000 in the hands of each person on earth is also a non-starter, really. It sounds really good. Sorta. The reality of it is quite different. Economics is a study of the "system of worth". Like any other "fluid system" it seeks a balance. it's "own level" per say.

Give every human on the planet $100,000 and Big Macs will wind up @ $50 ea. The term for this is "broke at a higher level". Force the price of Big Macs to remain the same, and you accomplish 3 things:
1. Big Macs will disappear. Why make something, when you can make something else for more money?
2. You'll have a black market in Big Macs, by week's end.
3. You'll have drive-by shootings between rival "Big Mac Gangs" killing each other over sales turf. (sound familiar?)

The trick isn't in dumping one evil for another. The trick is forcing things to change through how people participate.

I am always dubious about someone's definition of a "good" world government. The saying that "All politics is local." points to a larger truth, really. "All politics that work, is local!" The larger a govt body is, the more harm it does. The best example of this can be seen by looking at how things have gone for the US. the bigger the Fed has become, the worse off the avg American has become. (see also what I said about china's "big govt")

ANY govt, no matter who set it up, how, or why, is only trustworthy so long as the people it affects have their foot firmly planted on its throat. Humans have little to fear from people who know they will have to look them in the eye, the next day. Most of the evil we do to each other stems from the notion that those affected, cannot bring home what those what dunnit have wrought.

Lastly,

A world government would allow us to replenish the seas with fish and rebuild our precious eco-systems. The poor could become well-educated, well-nourished and filled with hope.If Fulford is looking to "the asians" for this, he should take a long hard look at both Japan's fishing practices, and China's environmental condition.

Personally, I think the answer lies elsewhere.

Fred

Swanny
6th May 2010, 18:04
Great post Fred

Decibellistics
6th May 2010, 19:05
Does anyone remember Tiananmen Square????????????? Not tyrannical my butt cheeks. Ditto Swanny and Fred. Consider this, if governments only spent attention to the infrastructure of their state and the technologies that could improve them we wouldn't be in this mess. Creation is much more gratifying than destruction. Also, humans would actually see a physical improvement which would heighten the morale of the population. Esoteric bailouts to banking institutions has absolutely no physical manifestation in our reality at this point. It might have worked with FDR but I doubt that now.

The presence of Chaos induces order. Think about that one for awhile.

pyrangello
6th May 2010, 19:28
Tintagel, if you took out the nations names and inserted them with only truly good sources I think we would all want what is being stated, however Fred pulled the substance out of the clouds with some great examples for how a role model should look like.

I believe the common person of the world wants peace love and harmony, we just need to figure out how to get there. Here is a good start .

Snowbird
8th May 2010, 14:27
I consider Ben Fulford's posts and interviews to hold a very small piece of the overall world picture. I don't doubt that he has many and varied worldwide sources. However, sources can and do state whatever is most convenient for their long term objectives.

Tiananmen Square happened not at all long ago, 1989. The Chinese have never been known to make grand and sweeping changes over night. Is Hu Jintao willing to step away from his presidential office in order to integrate or harmonize peaceful and lasting human rights which is defined as, "The basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, often held to include the right to life and liberty, freedom of thought and expression, and equality before the law."? It is highly doubtful.

Whenever I hear or read that an Asian or Russian or U.S. leader is working toward peace for all and a lasting solution to global war, I simply open any news source that is not of the main stream media, and read of the truth of what is.

Under current circumstances, there is simply no way that a global world order will ever be successful until every leader is willing to step down and live among and be supportive of the whole.

Operator
8th May 2010, 15:18
My gut feeling is increasing that some of the wonderful things said by supposedly enlightened beings are so close to one world order >> new world order that they can/will be swapped
all of a sudden resulting in the new world order in the end.

The holographic model does not need a 'single' government ... so every attempt to create one i.m.h.o. is highly suspicious !

NancyV
8th May 2010, 16:48
Promoting a one world government should put the final nail in the coffin for any tiny bit of credibility that Fulford might still have for anyone. Since we know he isn't stupid he has to be deliberately giving out false information/dis-info for some personal profit motive, whether for money or power through cooperation with the PTB.

With his abysmal track record of mistaken predictions I would never give the slightest consideration to his opinion on the wonderful benefits of a world government. Although his predictions and opinions are not credulous there will always be people who tend to believe him. He has apparently been serving his purposes of fomenting fear and chaos, now world peace through one world government!!!??? Amazing! Bizarre!! Laughable!!! and INSANE!!!!

Nancy :)

Fredkc
8th May 2010, 18:35
Nancy;
You'll notice I never really said much "against" fulford, other than, from my viewpoint, I thought him quite the dreamer. Not all a bad thing, really... but we are still "swimming amongst the sharks".

This and other reasons are why I get troubled over anyone talking "one government" (Tyranny of the majority, anyone?).

But without having read, or listened to much else by Fulford, I hasten to remind myself of an old saying:
"Never attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by ignorance."
Fulford may just be "dreaming out loud". Nice dream, but tricky to put in practice.

But if you take a simple issue like water control, the idea of "local governance" becomes the key. One place may benefit from, and really need "tight water usage control". Then again, someplace like Hawaii doesn't have any use for it. They're surrounded by the damned stuff! What they need is desalinization plants!

Toss in the 1000 other needs, and strengths ea. place in the world has, and you wind up with "one govt" that does everything poorly for everyone. ;)

I am going to go looking for the statements made by the general in charge at the time, re. Tienanmen Square. If I can't find them in a bit, I will just post the gist of the reasoning behind what they did.

Fred

HURRITT ENYETO
11th May 2010, 15:50
right said fred!!! :) The only time we will have world peace,clean up our planet and have fair governance is when the average human stands up to be counted and says NO MORE. Its is past time we took the power back from our so called governments and started again.

stardustaquarion
11th May 2010, 15:53
right said fred!!! :) The only time we will have world peace,clean up our planet and have fair governance is when the average human stands up to be counted and says NO MORE. Its is past time we took the power back from our so called governments and started again.

absolutely, who needs more fake governments we can govern ourselves, actually we normally govern ourselves quite well! We just have to invite the goverments of this world to leave as they are totally incompetent to represent us

:wave:

Snowbird
12th May 2010, 01:29
I have heard Fulford several times talking about a peaceful, loving and sharing world that he envisions. A peaceful , loving and sharing world would not need a government(s). The reason is obvious.:confused:

Tuza
12th May 2010, 02:22
Intuition is going with Fred this time; something is way off here Ben imho.

NancyV
12th May 2010, 02:52
Hi Fred,

I have listened to many interviews with Fulford for at least 2-3 years so I do not think he is merely a dreamer. I think he has an agenda. Whether or not it is a malicious agenda, who knows, and I do not think he is ignorant. Many things that seem to be malicious are not really if you understand the bigger picture. I don't really care if he has an agenda or not as most of us have an agenda of one kind or another. Fulford has been wrong so many times about so many things he has predicted and he seems to make a lot of really dire, fear based predictions. This is one of the few times he has sounded rather hopeful and it's about a one world government. I do find that to be rather laughable!

Nancy :)


Nancy;
You'll notice I never really said much "against" fulford, other than, from my viewpoint, I thought him quite the dreamer. Not all a bad thing, really... but we are still "swimming amongst the sharks".

This and other reasons are why I get troubled over anyone talking "one government" (Tyranny of the majority, anyone?).

But without having read, or listened to much else by Fulford, I hasten to remind myself of an old saying:
"Never attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by ignorance."
Fulford may just be "dreaming out loud". Nice dream, but tricky to put in practice.

But if you take a simple issue like water control, the idea of "local governance" becomes the key. One place may benefit from, and really need "tight water usage control". Then again, someplace like Hawaii doesn't have any use for it. They're surrounded by the damned stuff! What they need is desalinization plants!

Toss in the 1000 other needs, and strengths ea. place in the world has, and you wind up with "one govt" that does everything poorly for everyone. ;)

I am going to go looking for the statements made by the general in charge at the time, re. Tienanmen Square. If I can't find them in a bit, I will just post the gist of the reasoning behind what they did.

Fred

Humble Janitor
12th May 2010, 06:45
Fulford, Wilcock, etc. The names may change but the motives always seem to be suspect on here.

Can you blame them for dreaming though? Perhaps they want to manifest this reality and they want us to do so as well. I don't know about a world government but I want world peace and I want to save the ****ing world! We will never do so as long as we're cynical of each other!

Swami
13th May 2010, 12:33
Over one million North American Satanists are seeking refuge outside of North America sources with direct access to a former US president, a source close to David Rockefeller and a member of the Japanese cabinet say. The reason they are seeking a refuge is that they fear the reaction of the American people when they find out what was done to them. So far the Japanese, Philippine and Israeli governments have all refused to give the Satanists shelter.

http://benjaminfulford.net/

EDIT: is there somebody in here who can get that info from behind the payserver and send it to me....?

Manifestor
13th May 2010, 21:25
not your government or a world government can save the world. as long as you think that a government or an institution must save you...you are lost! there is only one way to save the world...save yourself!

Victoria Tintagel
19th May 2010, 07:54
Hi everybodies, here's an interesting topic for those close to Tokyo, have fun and take care!
05/08/2010
May 23 (Sunday) Benjamin Fulford lecture Witch, a secret society of women, and age of the female goddess-we are starting to
Era of coexistence since the days of war and competition for resources. From time to time in the heart of things, came the era of sensitivity.

The world is "male-oriented society leaders" to "society women leaders" are about to change. 20th century marked by a constant struggle and war. Reached at times compelled to seek harmony in society limited. Mass production, mass consumption and mass waste and carbon dioxide, causing the dare is global warming and environmental destruction. Instead of confronting nature, time begins to seek coexistence with nature. Savage from the concrete jungle that is required for wood and green ambience. Not wasted. Leave having endless. Positive "nature time is asked" is. First is the changing consciousness at the individual level, things begin to change.

Changes in nature are seen. This year began with a full moon blue moon of the month twice. Women and the moon are related variety. Until now, the age of paternal age was, now requiring maternal age was also politically and economically. The rapidly rising status of women of reproductive age, and so on. Touch on issues related to women so:

Gizmo's feminism made artificially, the presence of women in Western secret societies (Freemasons and Illuminati but only male members, there are many organizations in the world of power by women), Muslim women satanism (the sacrifice of training to raise the devil, and family planning to make) about a witch hunt and witch (to be modern from ancient times), warrior women, called Amazon about the history and types of the Goddess of the World, Law and the Equal Employment Opportunity low birthrate problem, prostitution, mistresses, and men and women about the contracts such as marriage, women had better fields, better field of men to women, gender relations and learn from the animal world, and more.

Theme:Witches, women's secret society, and we are starting to age of the female goddess

Date: May 23, 2010 (Sun) 18:30 to 21:30 (Registration is from 18:00)

Location: District Center Sendagaya 2F (1-1-10 Jingumae, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo)

Access: JR Harajuku Station Yamanote Line "Take****a Exit" 6-minute walk (Map.)


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ATYT
2nd June 2010, 04:39
Benjamin Fulford:

"Meanwhile, in Japan secret government sources continue to say the Prime Minister Hatoyama will probably resign this month and be replaced by Finance Minister Naoto Kan. I know Kan quite well and am quite sure he is not a Federal Reserve Board puppet. However, it remains to be seen if he has what it takes to reboot Japan’s financial system."

"Meanwhile, in Japan the tenure of Prime Minister Hatoyama is expected to end in May, according to Japanese secret government sources. The new Prime Minister is expected to be Naoto Kan. However, the real power is expected to reside with power broker Ichiro Ozawa and ex-police honcho Kamei Shizuka."

"In Japan, meanwhile, the battle for control of the world’s greatest creditor nation continues unabated behind the scenes. The most likely scenario now is for Prime Minister Hatoyama and power-broker Ozawa to be replaced in May by a cabinet led by Naoto Kan."



(REUTERS)http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65103C20100602?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r1:c 0.121019:b34555534:z0

(Reuters) - Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama said on Wednesday he and his powerful party No. 2 would resign after a slide in the polls threatened their party's chances in an election expected next month.

WORLD | JAPAN

The yen sank to a two-week low against the dollar after Hatoyama became the fourth Japanese leader to leave office in a year or less, with some investors worried that political instability would make Japan's weak economy more dependent on the Bank of Japan's easy monetary policy.

Calls built up in Hatoyama's Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ) for him to step down to revive the party's fortunes ahead of an election for the upper house of parliament expected on July 11 that it must win to smooth policymaking.

With tears in his eyes, Hatoyama told party lawmakers that he and party secretary-general Ichiro Ozawa would resign.

"In order to revitalize our party, we need to bring back a thoroughly clean Democratic Party. I would like to ask your cooperation," Hatoyama said.

Hatoyama's ratings slid on voter doubts about his leadership, while the old-style image of Ozawa, seen as pulling strings behind the scene, had also eroded public support.

Analysts have tipped outspoken Finance Minister Naoto Kan as the frontrunner to replace Hatoyama, who quits after just eight months on the job. A new leader will be chosen on Friday, in a few days, a party official said.

The latest political turmoil, including the departure of a tiny leftist party from the ruling coalition, has distracted the government as it thrashes out a plan to cut huge public debt and a strategy to engineer growth despite a fast-aging population.

"Hatoyama's resignation may cause delays in the scheduled releases this month of the government's growth strategies and fiscal discipline targets. Whoever replaces Hatoyama would need to work them out before an upper house election, or else disappoint voters," said Hirokata Kusaba, an economist at Mizuho Research Institute.

"Things could not get any worse after Hatoyama quits, given the current deadlock in many important issues."

The yen sank to 91.78 per dollar from around 91.10 before the news but that weakness helped boost the Nikkei share average, which is heavily populated by big Japanese exporters. Bond futures edged higher.


Full article follow link on the top.

Etherios
2nd June 2010, 07:30
Well his wife said she was abducted by aliens .... you guys think its relevant? just saying hehe

steve_a
2nd June 2010, 08:49
Hi ATYT,

I'm not too sure about Fulford. The reason for his resignation? His probability of not being elected. He resigned for the party. If you're in Japan and are interested in politics, then I imagine it was common knowledgehe would resign, speceially as it got closer to his announcement. I'm not too sure you would need a dousing rod to find out that information. It would be like a secret department in the British government a couple of months ago predicting that there would be early elections... I mean come on. You could be giving more credit to Fulford that he's due.

Check out Hatoyama's history since being elected: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/06/01/japan.resignation/?hpt=T1

Best regards,

Steve

Barron
2nd June 2010, 09:39
You have excellent powers of either deduction or intuition or both steve_a ! I, too, really "wonder" about Fulford now also.......

stardustaquarion
2nd June 2010, 15:34
Well his wife said she was abducted by aliens .... you guys think its relevant? just saying hehe

Maybe they are living the planet like Wayner says...

ATYT
2nd June 2010, 20:58
Yeah I agree Steve, Fulford is pretty out there, but in my case it was through Fulford I first heard that this might happen. I don't subscribe to the majority of things that he says, I only follow him for entertainment really.

Sentience
2nd June 2010, 22:14
Whats fascinating is the number of leaders falling on their swords recently. The German Chancellor, Gordon Brown and now Hatoyama, Thats three major league economies right there. combine this with the amount of CEO's of major bluechip companies who have resigned over the last 12 months and you could almost see a pattern emerging....

steve_a
3rd June 2010, 09:23
Hi Sentience,

Now you're entering in the spirit of the game. Look around you, see what's going on, get the most information as possible and then make an educated guess and.... you'll be probably right.

Let's see.... the next to go.... the CEO of BP? Will Apple pull out of Foxconn? The Israeli issue, the President of Afghanistan... the list goes on. :)

Best regards,

Steve

Etherios
3rd June 2010, 10:15
Well if all of them are pulling out.. you guys think we might have it easier to overthrow their grasp of the ppl?

steve_a
3rd June 2010, 13:11
Hi Everybody,

Just to reinforce my suggestions above about the CEO of BP: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7795014/Gulf-of-Mexico-oil-spill-BP-and-Hayward-fight-for-their-survival.html

It doesn't really need a crystal ball to see the writing on the wall. I think we all can imagine the fate of the guy...

Some could argue that Fulford has 'inside information' from 'whistleblowers' or 'secret contacts', but in reality it appears that the information is in the news and is open for you to see (if you're interested in that subject). When Fulford predicts something, all the people who wouldn't normally follow that story, which is the vast majority, become astounded as to how he knew 'beforehand'. The truth is that he didn't, the news, or at leat 90% of it was out there and he made a logical guess. Nothing of Illuminati, secret insiders, annonymous sources, blah blah blah. Of course Fulford in not alone, there are many others out there that jump on more or less the same bandwagon.

If you want good solid information gerald Celente is the one to watch. He sells what he tells; trends, logical thinking and he says so.

Best regards,

Steve

Rocky_Shorz
16th June 2010, 07:47
Right now it is easy to hate British Petroleum for the careless destruction they've caused to our planet...

but today I was meditating on what is coming and watched this unfold...

It is what Fulford said was in the works...

Free Energy is coming - and the Federal Reserve would no longer be owned by Bank of England...

BP is UKs largest corporation, the long term financial cost of this disaster will be upward of $20 Trillion Dollars...

Bank of England will need to decide on one of 2 options...

Hand the money over to BP or give up the Federal Reserve under the agreement America handles it's own cleanup and financial recovery...

The US Government has always stood against Free energy inventions because they didn't want to lose the Billions they receive each year from oil revenues but in one disastrous move by the oil company, they are costing America more than it made from Oil taxes in the last 100 years...

The middle east is on the verge of World War III and the first things that will be knocked out are the world oil supplies...

This isn't just a national security emergency, energy independence is about to be the difference between life and death of the country.

It's easy for me to get angry at BP... all of you noticed the lighting strike that hit the recovery rig

but maybe instead we should be saying thank you...

for giving us a reason to move... Beyond Petroleum...

Humble Janitor
16th June 2010, 08:57
Good point. I think now is the best time to get the free energy out as a way of telling the U.S government to "stuff it, we're not waiting any longer!"

NOW is the time.

Operator
16th June 2010, 11:59
The momentum is here all right ... for a while now ! Question is: will people recognize it, wake up and run with it ?

So far it did not have the full effect yet that I was expecting ... a bit frustrating. Probably need more patience ...

tron
17th June 2010, 13:18
http://feministatsea.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/flintstones-car.jpg

tone3jaguar
17th June 2010, 16:06
It always takes shocks to the system to evoke global paradigm shifts. This is a shock to the system. It is really up to the cooperate military industrial complex as to what happens next. They know we are getting very close to the end game, they may just say screw it and allow the tech to be released.

conk
17th June 2010, 19:40
Aren't 'they' afraid of the repercussions of holding back the technolgy for so long? That's likely one of the reason for hiding it. How do they release it now without looking like the vile, selfish creatures they are?

tone3jaguar
17th June 2010, 20:00
I don't think they are afraid. They could just make up a story about it just having been invented yesterday and put it on the news and the sheeple would buy it. I would not care as long as it came out.

Rocky_Shorz
18th June 2010, 02:25
BP is starting to sell bonds next week to raise funding and quietly mentioned they are selling off $10B in assets...

watch who buys them...

what is going on is what a rich person does before a divorce, selling off assets to a friend while racking up loans to show there just there is nothing left to give...

Grizzom
18th June 2010, 04:14
You don't want bullsh-t Ben in your head! :p

Last time I let him in my head, I was dreaming about ninjas for a week.

You gotta love him though, he's the most optimistic man Ive ever seen :smokin:

sunflower
25th July 2010, 21:11
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2010/07/benjamin-fulford-chinese-earthquake.html

Monday, July 19, 2010
Benjamin Fulford: Chinese Earthquake Done By HAARP

Benjamin Fulford investigates a mysterious plasma weapon seen prior to the Niigata earthquake in July 2007 and Red, White & Blue HAARP lights near the epicenter prior to the recent quake in China. Taiwan satellites measured a 50% drop in ionospheric energy above the Sichuan epicenter on the day before the quake. Both earthquakes targeted nuclear military facilities... coincidence or war crime?



Video is of poor quality but very well worth watching I think.

jackovesk
14th August 2010, 02:37
Don't shoot the Messenger, I too don't entirely believe or agree with everything the Fulford says...

However he does come up with different pieces of information that helps Decipher the NWO's jigsaw puzzle.

Benjamin Fulford - Latest report 08/13/2010

The dark cabal’s desperate last minute efforts to stop their collapse will fail...

Quote: "There seems to be a frantic, almost hysterical attempt by the secret financial cabal to stop the coming revolution in the West. They should cease and desist before they dig their own graves even deeper.

Let me summarize my own involvement in the revolution. It started when, as a mainstream financial journalist (working for Forbes and other publications) I started investigating the Japanese bad debt crisis. I soon found out that over half the bad debts in the entire Japanese banking system (over $1 trillion) were held by yakuza gangsters. I then cultivated yakuza sources who told me they were middlemen who worked for David Rockefeller, the Rothschilds and other Western oligarchs.
After I wrote books in Japanese about this, the yakuza tried to have me assassinated in Sakhalin, Russia. As a result, I created insurance files containing hundreds of hours of conversations with top yakuza that I had secretly recorded. These files will only be made public if I am killed.

Then my colleague the Forbes Moscow Bureau Chief Paul Klebnikov was murdered because, unknown to him, he was getting too close to the same cabal.

Later, I confronted former Japanese Finance Minister Heizo Takenaka about his role in handing control of Japan’s savings to a cabal of Western oligarchs (I have a video of the meeting). After this, Takenaka sent a self-described assassin to tell me I could join the cabal and become Finance Minister of Japan or else be murdered (I have this on tape). He also said the cabal wanted to kill 4 billion people in order to “save the environment.”

At this point an Asian secret society approached me and offered protection. I told them to urge Asian and other countries to stop financing the cabal’s war machine.

That is when the current financial war began to rage. The cabal tried to jack up food and oil prices. The Asians responded by buying commodities futures and demanding physical delivery.
As the war raged on, I was contacted by senior members of Western intelligence/defense agencies who explained they were also battling the same cabal. These are the people who have been seeking justice ever since the cabal assassinated President Kennedy.

The “white hats,” in the Western military/intelligence complex then asked for help in bankrupting the cabal’s source of power: The Federal Reserve Board crime syndicate. They wanted to do this by cashing trillions of dollars worth of gold backed bonds in order to jump-start a new metals backed financial system that would replace the Feds.

The P2 Masonic lodge offered to help and the bonds were put into the custody of Daniele Dal Bosco, their representative.

Later I was invited to Italy by the P2 Freemason lodge. While in Milan, I came down with a violent lung sickness that nearly killed me. Sources in the CIA told me the cabal had tried to kill me with a virus and that I was “not meant to leave Italy alive.”

Dal Bosco then absconded with the bonds and took them to an organization known as the OITC. According to CIA and NSA intercepts, Dal Bosco also hired professional hit men to have me assassinated. Two teams of professional assassins, one Italian and one South Korean, were subsequently spotted near my house in Tokyo.

The cabal was hoping to keep the financial system under their control by using the OITC to provide them with a veneer of legitimacy. By all reports the nominal head of the OITC, R.C. Dam, is a very nice person. He was also at one point given the job of custodian of a pool of gold belonging to a large group of countries and royal families. President Suharto of Indonesia was the original custodian but he was murdered by the cabal not long after they killed Kennedy.
Dam was his heir but, since he was raised by the CIA and his organization was infiltrated by criminals, the nations and royal families removed his accreditation.

As for the two Japanese arrested in Italy with $134.5 billion in bonds, (Yamaguchi and Watanabe), I am not in a position to judge their qualifications. Nor do I know who is behind the “dragon family.”
My own view is that finance is the process of deciding what humanity should do in the future. This is not a process that should be monopolized by a small group of in-bred families but rather by humanity as a whole.

The structures set up after World War 2 to govern the planet are out-dated and need to be rebuilt from the ground up. The IMF, the World Bank, the BIS and the United Nations need to be totally revamped and/or replaced.

My critics have questioned my association with Asian secret societies but as far as I am concerned, they saved my life from the cabal many times. The cabal has tried to have me killed at least 6 times and so I have a legitimate need of protection.

Our alliance rose spontaneously in response to the cabal’s plans to murder 4 billion humans and establish a totalitarian world government. The organizations that oversee the world’ various martial arts societies have offered us their support and protection. This is being done in order to save the planet."

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

Lost Soul
14th August 2010, 02:46
Thanks. Here's something weird that was purported removed from Bulford.

Link (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_fulford18.htm)

MargueriteBee
14th August 2010, 10:04
That reminds me of the matrix movie when they took that bug thing out of Neo.

sojorner
14th August 2010, 10:17
That reminds me of the matrix movie when they took that bug thing out of Neo.

That was my immediate thought also. Perhaps (again) there was more truth put into the Matrix movie then I originally thought.

Soj

freeform
16th August 2010, 08:02
Hi All,
I remember this thing that was taken out was mentioned on the old projectcamelot site some time ago, dan burisch was going to take a look at it. never found out how it panned out though.
from: http://www.projectcamelot.org/index_archive_3.htm (http://www.projectcamelot.org/index_archive_3.html)l


28 January 2009

• We were delighted to pass on this message from Dan Burisch to Benjamin Fulford about his most unusual "tumor" [see 26 January below], posted on a private section of the the Eagles Disobey Forum overnight:

Supply Dan with the prepared histopathology tissue section slides (sent registered/insured/return-receipt-requested), sections/slides which are ALWAYS done after tissue/neoplasm removal - (NOT FRESH HUMAN OR OTHER TISSUE) - and he will volunteer (free of charge) to complete a full independent investigation and analysis of the histopathology, tissue characteristics, or depending on the type of tissue, the staging.

Eagles Disobey will have it filmed raw from the time he receives it at his scope, and he will analyze it verbally, shoot photomicrography and microvideography, and make the entire analysis public to the extent that Mr. Fulford requests.

If Mr. Fulford requests totally private, then ONLY the membership here at Eagles, in the private section, will see the results - BUT - someone must be able to verify what Dan really presents, versus anyone's opinion of it, for EDO credibility.

Spine-associated tumors are quite common, and he is willing to spend his time to assist Mr. Fulford in independently confirming the nature of the item. This is right up his professional 'alley'.

Until such slides are received, his opinion remains the same: while it may be happenstance, it appears to have the morphology of a dead/decaying Axolotl-like organism.

When we sought Dan's permission to publicize his offer, he asked that the following note be appended:

"I am a microbiologist, with significant histopathology experience, but I am not a ASCP Licensed Pathologist (Physician). I will render an opinion, if asked, based on my professional experience. It will not be a medical opinion, but would be based on (and matched with) authoritative literature and published imagery. �If I am requested to look at one or more slides, I would be happy to do so. I truly wish Mr. Fulford the best, and no matter what the item may truly be, I am happy that he is rid of it, and pray for his speedy recovery." -Dan

Benjamin has now contacted Dan and is waiting the results of the Japanese tests.

ok first real post... be gentle...

Elandiel BernElve
16th August 2010, 08:40
What a disgusting story!! (the one about the tumor) This is nearing the limit of sickness.
People working and researching on developing these parasites and forms of control must face the consequence in this life or another.
I truly hope Benjamin recovered well and we'll get to see Dan's results.

@jackovesk: Thanks for the post, interesting

Ammit
16th August 2010, 11:34
Ok, i did see this reported on the old site and had to wonder then about the validity of the startgate program as regards to reality. was it not simular looking bugs that entered into bodies and wrapped around the spinal cord!.

This sounds to near the portrayed plot in stargate for my likeing.

sygh
16th August 2010, 12:59
Lost Soul
Whether that growth which was supposed to have been removed from Fulford is real or not, it's still interesting, as is the link to Tom Bearden's site. Very interesting! Thank you for posting the link. It's so hard to believe things like this; I wish I could have been in the operating room at the time of it's removal. Only then is it really possible to know if such a thing is or isn't reality, at least for me, as I sit here.

I cannot say it isn't possible but I also think it could have been a genetic twin, fetus in fetu... that's not entirely out of the question, either. Was there an autopsy of the growth?

tone3jaguar
16th August 2010, 13:27
Just another layer to the illusion.

fifi
1st November 2010, 20:10
I saw this article from Steve Beckow website, and would like to ask the forum's input on this.

http://stevebeckow.com/2010/11/01/ben-***lford-blogs-david-wilcock-comments/

In a sign events are coming to a climax, the Chairman of the shadowy Bilderberg group, Viscount Etienne Davignon, contacted the White Dragon Society last week saying his group did not oppose the filing of a Rico anti-organized crime lawsuit against Daniele Dal Bosco, the Davos Forum and the United Nations. Davignon also said that “I sleep well at night,” because he was guilty of no wrongdoing.

If he is sincere, we would like him to invite various internet journalists to a press conference where he can answer questions about sensitive topics like planned genocide. In any case, the contact is a clear sign the global campaign against the shadowy backers of the Federal Reserve Board Crime syndicate is starting to hit home.

According to the NSA, there was a flurry of telephone activity last week following this writer’s promise on a Rense.com interview that the $1 trillion lawsuit involving the Japanese arrested in Italy in June of 2009 (see previous issues for details) would target the Davos World Forum, the OITC, the UN, and the Bilderberg group.

Many of the phone calls were along the following lines: “If you let them arrest me, I am going to tell everything I know.” Intelligence agencies now expect many murders and arrests as the people behind the $1 trillion theft try to hide their trail while the good guys try to put key witnesses into protective custody.
The latest news in the lawsuit is that a clear evidence trail has now been traced to Alan Greenspan, the former head of the Federal Reserve Board. This evidence trail was provided by several large corporations who have joined the legal action, claiming they have also been victims of the OITC/Greenspan crime nexus.

Multiple sources including Japanese military intelligence and a senior freemason also say they expect some sort of “big announcement” this week but we were unable to get any details. No doubt it is linked to Federal Reserve Board threats of more “quantitive easing” or dollar creation. Hopefully instead it will be the end of the Federal Reserve Board that is announced.

However, sources at both the Pentagon and MI6 have a much more pessimistic outlook. They both say they expect a “once in 300 year” type event over the coming two months and suggest that people stock up on food. There will be “a total breakdown of law and order in the US” followed by a military coup d’etat, they say.

The trigger for this will be the bankruptcy of the Washington D.C. corporate government, they say. There is an end of January payments deadline the US government is simply not going to be able to meet, they say. Perhaps that is why Chinese President Hu Jintao is due to visit Washington just before the end of January of next year.

There are also signs the war-mongering criminals behind the Federal Reserve Board Crime syndicate are split into at least three factions now.

First of all we have the visit by Obama (and his faction) to India with a giant entourage that will occupy the entire Taj Mahal hotel. The entourage apparently includes Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski and their various war-loving friends. The aim of this visit may be to provoke a war between India and Pakistan, according to our Pentagon source.

The Pentagon is deeply worried their troops in Afghanistan are going to betrayed and turned captive in order to inflame pro-war sentiments for an invasion of Pakistan in alliance with India. “There are signs we are being deliberately set up for a major defeat in Afghanistan,” the source said.

The Pentagon is being deliberately over-stretched in what appears to be a campaign to weaken it or neutralize it, he added.
Hillary Clinton (a different faction) is also on a long Asian tour in search of money to finance a takeover of the US government by her and her fellow Khazarians. She is hoping to get some of the shrink-wrapped US dollar bills sitting in giant warehouses on the China coast, Asian and MI6 source say.

“While both Obama and Hillary are welcome to have a holiday in Asia, neither of them are going to get any money,” a senior Asian source promises.

The third faction would appear to be the European Bilderberg group who are now claiming to be allied with the White Dragon Society against the Satan-worshipping owners of the Federal Reserve Board. Needless to say, they will have to be a lot more forthcoming about what they have been up to and what their plans are if they expect to be taken seriously by the rest of the world.

It is also interesting to note the White Dragon Society was offered an exclusive monopoly on all investment in China and that “we could write our own check.” The catch, of course, would be to accept financial servitude to the Rothschild family. It is their time-honored method of seduction of people in power: “We are not interested in power. Just leave us in charge of finance please.” Rest assured they have been told the White Dragon Society is not interested in their illusory fiat money.

There is a lot of mischief afoot in Japan as well. The most shocking new revelation is that the Chinese have been infiltrating the Japanese Self-Defense forces for a very long time, according to Japanese military intelligence. The project, going back at least 30 years, involved having beautiful Chinese spies marry members of the Japanese self-defense forces.

They would then educate the resulting children with pro-Chinese views before sending them to the Japanese military academy. Graduates of the military academy automatically become officers in the Japanese military. As many as 60% of recent graduates are the product of such marriages, the source says.

This puts an entirely different light on Japanese Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara’s recent provocations of China. Maehara was the person who directed a hysterical anti-Chinese campaign after a Chinese spy ship (“fishing boat”) was captured near the disputed Senkaku or Daiyu Islands. The Pentagon strongly advised against making a big issue out of this and secretly informed the Chinese and Japanese governments they would not go to war with China in defense of these Islands.

However, we must be very wary of this statement because it may simply be a trap intended to fool China into trying to take the islands by force as an excuse to start WW3.

Maehara also propagated a totally false report that China had stopped exports of rare earth minerals. This so-called stoppage was widely reported in the world’s media. In fact, all that China has done is say that it will phase out export of completely unprocessed rare earth metals to a Western cartel and instead sell semi-processed rare-metals directly to the world’s manufacturers.

Maehara has long been considered in Japan to be a Federal Reserve Board agent who has been compromised by bribes related to weapons purchases. He is not expected to last long in his present job.

http://benjaminfulford.net/2010/11/01/bilderberg-chairman-davignon-contacts-the-white-dragon-society-promising-%E2%80%9Cwe-are-after-the-same-people-%E2%80%9D/#comments

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Comment by dwilcock on November 2, 2010 @ 12:30 am

We are indeed heading into, as I have been saying, a civilization-defining period of time. Ben’s report this week is a bit more pessimistic, but if you combine what he said last week with the bits I’ve heard that he seemingly hasn’t (and there’s a lot more now) it is still a fascinating story that may actually be quite a wonderful shift.

I’ve had more conversations with insiders this past week than just about ever, trying to wrap my head around this whole world situation.

Ben is now describing from his Pentagon and MI6 sources the same thing I’ve been hearing regarding a potential disruption of goods and services beginning in November. I am not surprised — everyone I talk to is saying this is planned. Whether or not it succeeds is another matter.

One of the most intriguing new developments is that a separate insider source, whom I’ve only spoken to perhaps five times in the last seven years, jumped through some remarkable hoops to track down my number and contact me.

He said it’s a six-month window of time in which these Illuminati / NWO groups want to get their objectives met. That window begins after the elections — i.e. tomorrow.

We screw up by thinking it is all hinged on certain dates. This source was saying it’s based on windows, not dates, because the events themselves are the result of social changes, or in response to social changes, which cannot strictly be predicted in advance — only nudged.

This source said the “2010 Window” has been in place for some time, as a precursor to another “2012 Window”. The 2010 Window would include “Full Disclosure with Plausible Deniability.” The idea is that the public is told all the major things that are going on, but without a full ‘reveal’ from official sources.

There has also been a “November 2010 Window” in place for at least the last 2 years. We are entering into a seriously high-risk time where another fake 9/11-type event could well be planned. Whether it will succeed or not is entirely another story.

Everyone I know is expecting that the world economy could suddenly seize up, but the exact means by which this might happen are kept so secret that they can only speculate as to what might do it. I’ve heard an Israeli attack against Iran is considered a potential risk, there could be fake terror events, or it may just arise out of economics itself.

There’s a lot more than this to report and I want to do the rest on my website and get it out there — so I’ve gotta run for now.

- David

truthseekerdan
1st November 2010, 20:42
Looks like they changed the article here: http://stevebeckow.com/2010/11/01/ben-***lford-blogs-david-wilcock-comments/

Thanks fifi :thumb:

fifi
1st November 2010, 20:50
Can you try again with this link
http://stevebeckow.com/2010/11/01/ben-fulford-blogs-david-wilcock-comments

If it still displays "404: Page Not Found", look to the right, and select the article under "RECENT POSTS".

Bill Ryan
1st November 2010, 22:13
Link fixed in all the above posts:

http://stevebeckow.com/2010/11/01/ben-***lford-blogs-david-wilcock-comments

==========

Update:

No it's not! It won't work. The URL on the page contains a typo in which an additional 'k' is inserted between the 'fu' and the 'l' of Fulford's name. That results in what the vBulletin software thinks is an unacceptable swear word in the URL and helpfully replaces it with asterisks. That stops it working altogether.

Try this...

http://stevebeckow.com/2010/11/01/ben-fulford-blogs-david-wilcock-comments

... and then insert a rogue 'k' after the 'fu' in Fulford's name!

:)

Rocky_Shorz
1st November 2010, 23:18
Thanks Bill this link works..

This link works (http://stevebeckow.com/2010/11/01/ben-***lford-blogs-david-wilcock-comments/)

"There’s a lot more than this to report and I want to do the rest on my website and get it out there — so I’ve gotta run for now.

- David"

we'll need to keep an eye on his site to see what he adds...

tone3jaguar
2nd November 2010, 03:15
I am not buying it.

bluestflame
2nd November 2010, 03:47
http://stevebeckow.com/
then look on the right hand side for the fullford/wilcox link under "recent posts"

Barron
2nd November 2010, 07:15
I am not buying it.

Me neither. Benjamin Fulford is a well known disinfo agent and YES, i can back that up with fact if required.

jcocks
2nd November 2010, 07:58
I think something is definitely up, something is deinitely going to happen VERY soon...and it's going to be something big. There's just too much going on at the moment. I have NFI what that something is..... but it's obvious our attention is being very strongly pointed in one direction...

So what is it they're trying to make sure that we miss?....

<cue spooky music :P >

bennycog
2nd November 2010, 08:43
jcocks your a champ mate :) there is something out of the square we are not looking at.

talk of mars missions
talk of pulling money out of banks.
a complete suprise of interest rate rises.
sun objects.
many earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.
supposed success in in vibrational healing in the gulf.
disclosure conferences entering mainstream.
even more people coming forward on the 9/11 event.

my god the list goes on and it is happening right bloody now, this second.

bluestflame
2nd November 2010, 11:52
I get big yes on the truth about 911


and the domino effect as people realize what it means

when the gold curtain falls , the game is revealed

foundation shaker

Sensual One
2nd November 2010, 12:52
Extremely worrying developments. The worrying thing for me is that I can actually "feel" a serious change coming to us all. It will hit very hard I fear.

jcocks
3rd November 2010, 09:00
Extremely worrying developments. The worrying thing for me is that I can actually "feel" a serious change coming to us all. It will hit very hard I fear.

"worry" ...
"fear"...

Watch the words you use. The more you get into a negative mindset, the harder it will be to cope with what hits. Remember....there's absolutely *NOTHING* to fear! We are *NEVER* handed more than we can handle....

Personally I find these changes exciting, so much is changing it's hard to tell what life's going to be like in another couple of years... I suggest it may be unrecognisable to someone of the present time...

Enjoy!
Joel

fifi
8th November 2010, 20:56
Some more news from Ben Fulford and David Wilcock from Steve Beckow web site. Please read it with a grain of salt.
http://stevebeckow.com/2010/11/08/great-deal-of-interesting-news-from-ben-and-david/

noxon medem
8th November 2010, 21:31
:fish2: = :hungry: = :sleep:

- there is (allways) more.
Here a connected, more reasont thread on Fulford:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7892-WARNING!-Horrific-Act-Predicted-on-11-9-2010-carried-out-by-the-Criminal-US-Fed-Cabal

My prediction is that there will be more dire predictions for the remains of this year.

Anchor
8th November 2010, 22:11
Here is a prediction you wont see from Fulford :)

The sun will rise, the sun will set. People who are alive will breath in and then breath out again. Moment will follow moment. With each one that passes, more and more people will discover the love in these moments and apprehend that the roots of all life and all action are anchored in love.

;)

Rocky_Shorz
8th November 2010, 22:16
I would have liked to see the prediction that 2 nuclear power plants were going to go offline... before it actually happened...

not through electronics, or computers, but those tricky buggers caused a tiny leak in a pipe... 60 drops a minute...


RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!! :gossip:

Ahkenaten
9th November 2010, 23:00
my prediction is that very few, if any, of the predictions will come true god willing

noxon medem
19th November 2010, 03:55
my prediction is that very few, if any, of the predictions will come true god willing

You mean the negatives, the doom and gloom ones, right ?

- :ear:, :whistle: :horn: :violin:

There, and here, actualy anywhere, is also a lot of good, happy, joyful and constructive predictions ( visions ), of "the future".
Would be nice if some of those came/come through .
- We all know, in our own way, somehow.

:-)
nm

Ahkenaten
19th November 2010, 05:27
I really have had it with the gloomy and scary prognostications.................if the really really bad stuff happens (meteor strikes, super volcano explosions, invasions by hostile cannibalistic ETs, etc) there isn't much we can do about it. We CAN focus on creating positive things in our lives and to me that is a better use of time then speculating on endless negative possibilities. Even so some perverse element in my personality can't resist wittling down the field of reliable information sources............not to say I delight in the self-destruct of the Clif Highs of the world, but it IS helpful to reduce the fog bank to a more manageable size.

Marcelo Mendes
19th November 2010, 12:51
Hi folks.

Don´t you remember. Forget about the body. Forget about the material world. Forget about all misery and tragedies that anybody could cause to you in the material level, because it is only like bad dream.

What really counts is the soul!!! The real war, the real troubles are living in, the real danger we are running is in the spiritual world!!!! To live now at earth is a very very very short period of time compared with the real life we have in the astral plane. The Evil is fed by fear. The more we care with what they could eventually do, the stronger they became.

If everybody could understand that and live based in this fact, their power would desapear.

Another hint. I read in a lot of places many differente things that tpdb are supposedly doing. My oppinion. It´s fake. The only one that never fails is God. And there is only one God. Assume that tpdb could make no mistakes is assume that they are God. Are they?

Namaste

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 01:55
This was posted here (http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html) today at Kerry's Blog and it deserves a very thorough brake down, because for some funny reason as I kept reading this "Open Letter", the more my stomach started turning......don't get me wrong, some of you may agree with it but I seriously think people should really understand whats being proposed in the following letter.

This reminds me to much of this article here (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Foundation-X-Lord-James-Of-Blackheath-Tells-Sky-News-Group-Could-Pay-Off-Billions-Of-UK-Debt/Article/201011115795267), and please tell me if I'm wrong but this has TPTB and globalization written all over it!!!

Also, click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Fulford) to see Benjamin Fulford's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Fulford) Wikipedia page.


Fulford public letter to Ron Paul

Link here: on Rense 12/18/10 (http://www.rense.com/general92/flf.htm)

Dear Representative Paul

"My name is Benjamin Fulford. I am a spokesperson for the Black, White and Golden Dragon societies as well as for the Red and the Green. These ancient secret societies have a global command structure, partially visible in your local martial arts societies, that is capable of mobilizing a 100 million person army on very short notice in case of an emergency.

These ancient societies have gone from dormant to semi-active mode because through the successful wiretapping of meetings of your elite, they have learned of plans to start World War 3, kill at least 4 billion people and destroy much of the Northern hemisphere. You may confirm with your Pentagon or CIA sources that this is all very real.

The reason we are writing an open letter to you is to explain why the Federal Reserve -Board needs to be abolished and the global financial architecture needs to be revamped.

The United States government is bankrupt and has been kept running along these past decades by the goodwill of the peoples of the planet. That good will is running out.

Your financial elite have proposed either devaluing the US dollar or carrying out a hidden devaluation by replacing it with a new currency called the Amero. Both proposals have been rejected. The reason is that by far most US dollars ever created are no longer owned by Americans. Many, often poor, people would suffer enormously if these dollars suddenly lost half of their value.

Our groups have proposed an alternative plan. We have offered to pay back all US debt owed to China by returning gold that was stolen from there during the 20th century. In addition, we plan to write off US debt to the rest of the world by taking the US dollars owned by non-Americans, backing them with gold and putting them under the control of a new international meritocratic organization. This organization would never create any fiat currency but merely act as a neutral clearing house for governments, corporations and plutocrats.

The newly debtless United States government would then be free to issue its own government controlled currency. Such a currency would have a lower international purchasing power than the US dollar now has. The result will be that Chinese goods will become more expensive for Americans while US exports will regain their competitiveness. This will allow the US to rebuild its real economy.

However, as the history of the yen and the Plaza Accord show, devaluation alone will not solve the US's chronic external deficit problem. The US deficit is also a structural problem caused by the fact that the military industrial complex does not produce trade-able goods.

Pentagon officials have also made it clear to us they would rather start a war than end up like Soviet era generals who suddenly found themselves driving taxis.

We therefore propose that the peoples of the world finance a gradual swords-to-plowshares transition of the military industrial complex. According to the American Association of Scientists, over 6,000 patents have been suppressed for "national security reasons." We believe an expert review of those patents would unearth a high-tech bonanza for the American people and the US economy that would help ease this transition.

We are also proposing the creation of a global economic planning agency. This agency would be run by the motto "we stand between desires and reality." The organization would try to surpass the sorry records of the World Bank and the IMF by carrying out an intensive campaign to end poverty, stop environmental destruction and set humanity on the course for exponential expansion into the future. There would be no burden placed on the American people and no threat to US sovereignty posed by this organization. Rather it should provide vast new opportunities for American individuals and corporations.

Finally, although this is purely an American domestic issue, we strongly recommend that you confiscate the funds stolen from the American people this past century by amoral, criminal financiers and return them to their rightful owners. Vladimir Putin was able to quintuple Russian living standards when he did a similar thing in Russia.

The final point we wish to make is that the peoples of the world desire peace. The desperate criminal cabal behind the Federal Reserve Board still wields enormous power and is still trying to start World War 3. We would like to request the help of the American peoples in ending this perverse threat to humanity and the planet."

Sincerely yours,
Benjamin Fulford

PS: If you would like the hear more, contact me through the US embassy in Tokyo.

Benjamin Fulford 090-3439-5558

jeannacav
21st December 2010, 02:34
Actually, it looks pretty good to me.
Thanks for posting it. I had missed it.

jeanna

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 02:41
No problem! :)........Really (jeannacav) you're OK with a Japanese group of Secret Societies coming in and literally come in and do the exact thing that TPTB want to do by destroying the US and World economies and globalizing everything!!!

I mean maybe I'm reading this thing wrong or I'm I the only one that can read between the lines.....Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting this document!!!

Carmody
21st December 2010, 02:42
Actually, Benjamin has been pretty straightforward in his stance. He says that he may be working for and with a given crew. And that this particular crew does not specifically have everyone's best interests at heart. But..that the current shenanigans are bad for those ruling in secret, in the east. And that the Eastern group is going to force a change.

Lost Soul
21st December 2010, 02:52
I hope Ron Paul takes him seriously, but he's only one man. We have to start somewhere though.

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 02:53
Actually, Benjamin has been pretty straightforward in his stance. He says that he may be working for and with a given crew. And that this particular crew does not specifically have everyone's best interests at heart. But..that the current shenanigans are bad for those ruling in secret, in the east. And that the Eastern group is going to force a change.

So, just raising constructive skepticism.....does this means that the west should just fold to the east because this is what's bound to happen?

I'm just trying to make sense of this, cause I don't see how real Americans will go for this even for a split second. There's too much pride in this country and that's one of the problems, the people here won't allow this to happen and loose their "Super Power" status that we are bound to lose sooner or later!!!

bluestflame
21st December 2010, 03:02
the dismantling of the military industrial complex

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 03:05
Which may not be a bad thing after all!!!

jeannacav
21st December 2010, 03:05
I guess, I just think it is a great idea to have a society of ninjas ready to take on the Rothchilds and the Rockafellers (hmm sp).

I am no strategist, and have no idea what can be done with any of this except to actively envision how I want it to be. (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness)
The fact that the ninjas seem to understand that humans ought to have freedom and sovereignty when even americans cannot remember what that is about makes me interested to watch this.

So, briefly,
I think this is a very wild card and that alone gives me hope.
:)

thank you,

jeanna


OOPS not "ninjas" but the "red and blue"... sorry bout that.
I just watched my copy of the interview from 2008 part 2 where he starts to talk about this ultimatum.

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 03:09
I guess, I just think it is a great idea to have a society of ninjas ready to take on the Rothchilds and the Rockafellers (hmm sp).

I am no strategist, and have no idea what can be done with any of this except to actively envision how I want it to be. (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness)
The fact that the ninjas seem to understand that humans ought to have freedom and sovereignty when even americans cannot remember what that is about makes me interested to watch this.

So, briefly,
I think this is a very wild card and that alone gives me hope.


thank you,

jeanna

Understood, thanks for the clarification jeanna and your opinion is respected and valued! :)

Arpheus
21st December 2010, 03:22
Lol first of all there is no west nor east there is OUR PLANET,this whole divide and conquer thing really ticks me in the wrong way,secondly i am sorry to sound negative here but after reading the whole thing it sounds to me more like a fairy tale then anything else.I mean do you honestly think that something like this would have a slight remote chance of ever coming to fruition?As much as i would love to see it happen i just fail to do so,to be honestly blunt here tho i must say that if any of this were to be true at ALL the guy who wrote this letter would been buried 6 feet under a long long time ago,just my two cents.

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 03:29
I mean do you honestly thing that something like this would have a slight remote chance of ever coming to fruition?As muchas i would love to see it happen i just fail to do so,to be honestly blunt here tho i must say that any of this were true at ALL the guy who wrote this letter would been buried 6 feet under a long long time ago,just my two cents.

I have to agree with you there.....as far as the East/West thing, I was just clarifying the comment before I said it, I know that this division of our planet is bull and one thing that I have never been able to understand is "Why do human beings have to pay to live in a planet in which they were born onto"...........just something to think about!!! :)

Thanks for your input Arpheus, very much appreciated!!!

Taurean
21st December 2010, 03:32
Now the question is, did Ron return the call ?

Can't help noticing a similarity here to Lord James and Foundation X.

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 03:45
Can't help noticing a similarity here to Lord James and Foundation X.

This are exactly my thoughts, it just doesn't sound right!!!

Taurean
21st December 2010, 03:54
There's a certain nievity to the whole presentation. I'd expect something like this to show up on April 1st.

Needless to say it doen't seem to have hit the MSM.

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 04:22
There's a certain nievity to the whole presentation

I agree!


I'd expect something like this to show up on April 1st.

lmao....I can see the headlines now, the US has been bought out by the Japanese!!!

You know this is funny as Japan is currently the biggest holder of US bonds which recently surpassed China as the sold a big part of their bonds!!!!.....Interesting in my opinion!!!

bennycog
21st December 2010, 05:52
is that fulfords number? has somebody called it?

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 05:55
Not sure, but with the long-distance charges attached to that....I really can't afford it, maybe someone here may want to give our friend Fulford a little jingle.

Carmody
21st December 2010, 05:56
oh yes. You call that number and you'll be talking to Benjamin Fulford. You better have something good to say. You'll be inspected through and through from Tokyo, to Tel Aviv, to Moscow, to Caracas, to DC, and beyond.

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 06:13
oh yes. You call that number and you'll be talking to Benjamin Fulford. You better have something good to say. You'll be inspected through and through from Tokyo, to Tel Aviv, to Moscow, to Caracas, to DC, and beyond.

ROFLMAO.......:lol:

I just love it...Thanks Carmody, you just made my night!!!

Anchor
21st December 2010, 06:21
Lets forget about Ben Fulford and who he claims to be.

I read the letter - what are the downsides? If the facts alluded to are correct (gold theft, amero etc) then what are the downsides?

Carmody
21st December 2010, 06:35
Considering where we are, right now? And were we're headed to? ----Not much.

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 06:52
Lets forget about Ben Fulford and who he claims to be.

I read the letter - what are the downsides? If the facts alluded to are correct (gold theft, amero etc) then what are the downsides?

1. Secret Societies

2. New International Meritocratic Organization

3. Global Economic Planning Agency

This country will go from under the control of one group to another......not to mention that this is an international group, this will never be allowed here in America trust me. And also I believe that if we got into this mess ourselves then we should get out of it ourselves and without anyone's help. This are Americans mistreating Americans and any outside intervention will only cause the situation to really get out of hand. Just my thoughts!!!!

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In theory is a Great Idea.....but in Reality, will never happen!!!

I just don't see it.....Americans are too proud!

Zook
21st December 2010, 07:40
Hi AlkaMyst,


No problem! :)........Really (jeannacav) you're OK with a Japanese group of Secret Societies coming in and literally come in and do the exact thing that TPTB want to do by destroying the US and World economies and globalizing everything!!! I mean maybe I'm reading this thing wrong or I'm I the only one that can read between the lines.....Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting this document!!!

You're not reading it wrong, Alks. Well, in one way you are ... all the major secret societies of the world are run by TPTB (e.g. Illuminati/Freemasonry/Jesuits/Zionists). The Japanese secret societies are no exception. Indeed, there is a video out there (I'll dig it up if you can't find it yourself) in which Fulford is holding up a handbook for one of the Asian (dragon??) societies. It has freemason iconography on its front cover. In other words, the Japanese secret societies represent '... the exact thing that TPTB want to do by destroying the US and World economies and globalizing everything!!!' because they are subsidiaries of TPTB and not apart from them.

To wit, the letter is an extension of the TBankstersTB divide and conquer empire game. Benjamin Fulford is working for TMastardsTB. His role has been elucidated by Yuri Begmenov in Begmenov's presentation of Ideological Subversion that I've already discussed here on Avalon, in the thread 'How to brainwash a nation' (message #2): http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8995-How-to-brainwash-a-nation&highlight=begmenov

In particular, step four of Ideological Subversion, normalization:

beginExcerpt
(4)Normalization - this period may last indefinitely. To promise people all kinds of goodies. Promises without the intent of delivery. In this phase, more destabilization; kingmaking with benevolent dictators; and the building of the Big Brother infrastructure.
end

The slight modification in the plan (as I see it) ... is that the last two phases are slightly overlapped. Normalization should occur sequentially after the crisis or tipping point. Ben Fulford's letter suggests that either the tipping point has already occurred, or that TMastardsTB are rushing in step four ahead of schedule because things are not going as fluidly as planned. In either case, step one and step two have clearly already happened.

Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

ps: Be careful not to fall for the phony promises ... even when they sound tempting. To borrow and slightly modify Walt Kelly (of Pogo fame): 'We have met the cavalry ... and he is us.'

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 07:53
Hi AlkaMyst,

Quote Originally Posted by AlkaMyst View Post
No problem! ........Really (jeannacav) you're OK with a Japanese group of Secret Societies coming in and literally come in and do the exact thing that TPTB want to do by destroying the US and World economies and globalizing everything!!! I mean maybe I'm reading this thing wrong or I'm I the only one that can read between the lines.....Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting this document!!!
You're not reading it wrong, Alks. Well, in one way you are ... all the major secret societies of the world are run by TPTB (e.g. Illuminati/Freemasonry/Jesuits/Zionists). The Japanese secret societies are no exception. Indeed, there is a video out there (I'll dig it up if you can't find it yourself) in which Fulford is holding up a handbook for one of the Asian (dragon??) societies. It has freemason iconography on its front cover. In other words, the Japanese secret societies represent '... the exact thing that TPTB want to do by destroying the US and World economies and globalizing everything!!!' because they are subsidiaries of TPTB and not apart from them.

To wit, the letter is an extension of the TBankstersTB divide and conquer empire game. Benjamin Fulford is working for TMastardsTB. His role has been elucidated by Yuri Begmenov in Begmenov's presentation of Ideological Subversion that I've already discussed here on Avalon, in the thread 'How to brainwash a nation' (message #2):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...light=begmenov

In particular, step four of Ideological Subversion, normalization:

beginExcerpt
(4)Normalization - this period may last indefinitely. To promise people all kinds of goodies. Promises without the intent of delivery. In this phase, more destabilization; kingmaking with benevolent dictators; and the building of the Big Brother infrastructure.
end

The slight modification in the plan (as I see it) ... is that the last two phases are slightly overlapped. Normalization should occur sequentially after the crisis or tipping point. Ben Fulford's letter suggests that either the tipping point has already occurred, or that TMastardsTB are rushing in step four ahead of schedule because things are not going as fluidly as planned. In either case, step one and step two have clearly already happened.

Humble opinions all around.



ps: Be careful not to fall for the phony promises ... even when they sound tempting. To borrow and slightly modify Walt Kelly (of Pogo fame): 'We have met the cavalry ... and he is us.'


Basically, there are four steps to the brainwashing scheme:

(1)Demoralization - it takes about 15-20 years to achieve this, e.g. the time required to soften the minds of one generation. Success of this phase is measured when true information no longer matters.

(2)Destabilization - it takes about 2-5 years for this phase, e.g. the focus now is the subversion of a nation's defensive forces, its economic system, and its foreign relations.

(3)Crisis - may take up to 6 weeks to bring a nation to crisis. The crisis creates the tipping point (if I understand Begmenov correctly.

(4)Normalization - this period may last indefinitely. To promise people all kinds of goodies. Promises without the intent of delivery. In this phase, more destabilization; kingmaking with benevolent dictators; and the building of the Big Brother infrastructure.

Most humble thanks Zook, just as I thought!!!....perfect example of (Problem, Reaction, Solution). The only difference is that the Solution never comes.

Humble Janitor
21st December 2010, 09:29
It sounds like a joke to me.

Fulford is Ful of it (spelling intentional) because it sounds like it's just a continuation of the current process, but under another shadowy organization.

I have no problem with ceding super power status (honestly, I'm sick of funding America's "world police force") but we must find a solution that will involve THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

bennycog
21st December 2010, 09:29
hey carmody.. i would be guessing the number goes to a answering machine and never gets checked.. and i would be over the moon if i was proven wrong..

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 17:03
It sounds like a joke to me.

Fulford is Ful of it (spelling intentional) because it sounds like it's just a continuation of the current process, but under another shadowy organization.

I have no problem with ceding super power status (honestly, I'm sick of funding America's "world police force") but we must find a solution that will involve THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Nicely said Humble Janitor :)

Rocky_Shorz
21st December 2010, 17:21
well the Gold the Japanese took from China...

is no longer in Japan taken after WW II...

but it is all sitting in a country very friendly to Americans...

Carmody
21st December 2010, 17:35
In my case, I'm just looking at the information and seeing how it fits in and monitoring it for potential. No big deal. I can hold and weave probability through all the threads I'm involved in observing.

I've no need to label or shape Fulford's intent or directions into a comfort zone of specific titling and containment. That would not be useful with regard to prediction.

On the personal level, I'm a JAFO*, here. :p

*(Just Another ****ing Observer)

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 17:39
well the Gold the Japanese took from China...

is no longer in Japan taken after WW II...

but it is all sitting in a country very friendly to Americans...

Rocky_Shorz, what country is that?............Thanks in advanced! :)

HURRITT ENYETO
21st December 2010, 17:45
This is just the same thing everybody is trying to avoid (NWO one world Government) taken through another route. As Zookumar said they are controlled by the same illuminate as the current "power house" IMHO there is no one organisation on Earth that has managed to accumulate the kind of wealth we are talking about without coming under the control of TPTB.
It is going to take much more than swapping one evil for another to solve our current situation,and it needs to start from the ground up not the top down.

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Rocky_Shorz, what country is that?............Thanks in advanced! :)


I thought all that allegedly stolen Gold was now sitting pretty in mother Russia?

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 17:48
This is just the same thing everybody is trying to avoid (NWO one world Government) taken through another route. As Zookumar said they are controlled by the same illuminate as the current "power house" IMHO there is no one organisation on Earth that has managed to accumulate the kind of wealth we are talking about without coming under the control of TPTB.
It is going to take much more than swapping one evil for another to solve our current situation,and it needs to start from the ground up not the top down.


My thoughts exactly Hurritt.....:)


I thought all that allegedly stolen Gold was now sitting pretty in mother Russia?

Thanks buddy, greatly appreciated!!!!.......Nice to see you again!!!

chelmostef
21st December 2010, 17:58
Hi Avalonians!
I have always liked what fulford has to say, although this only based a feeling that he sits well with me.(not sure that is really enough for most) I like reading though the comment sections on his .net web site.

The fact that David wilcock mentions that his info could be right also sits well with me and I like the info on divine cosmos. He does seems to fill a niche between the western world and the far eastern world and ties world affairs together. I suppose you could also say christopher story info was dodgy as well, who knows?

As for this latest letter- If that side of the world was run by similar minded criminals as america would they not relish the chance of getting into a world war? Have a recent history of invading countries?
I dont know, it just seems that if there is a way of removing the criminal elites that are running the show at the moment then we should jump for it.

The release of suppressed technology, then that could only be a good thing wouldn't it? Also the way things are going at the moment is the complete isolation of USA/Imperialism from the rest of the world, so would this not be seen as life line?

Ahkenaten
21st December 2010, 17:59
I can see that the social conditioning is at work - and the razor wire is around the premises protecting the place - no one wants to say where they really think the gold is hidden.

Look for the pyramid with the all-seeing eye on the top. That marks the spot.

AlkaMyst
21st December 2010, 18:12
I dont know, it just seems that if there is a way of removing the criminal elites that are running the show at the moment then we should jump for it.

Removing one group to replace with another group is not a good thing, besides that American will not go for it!!!


I dont know, it just seems that if there is a way of removing the criminal elites that are running the show at the moment then we should jump for it.

Not in this country, it will be seeing as an outside invasion....that is unfortunate to say, but it is the reality of things.

I'm not saying that Fulford is a bad person....I'm just saying that his proposal will never be accepted in the US, that's all!!!

Thanks for your input chelmostef, it is greatly appreciated!

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I can see that the social conditioning is at work - and the razor wire is around the premises protecting the place - no one wants to say where they really think the gold is hidden.

Look for the pyramid with the all-seeing eye on the top. That marks the spot.

Ahkenaten, your thoughts never cease to amaze me!!!! :)

HURRITT ENYETO
21st December 2010, 18:13
I can see that the social conditioning is at work - and the razor wire is around the premises protecting the place - no one wants to say where they really think the gold is hidden.

Look for the pyramid with the all-seeing eye on the top. That marks the spot.

To be honest im not entirely convinced any Gold was ever stolen hence my "allegedly" comment. Am i right in thinking that you believe the Fed still has the Gold? could you elaborate?
cheers mate
Hurritt

Arpheus
22nd December 2010, 00:57
Lol the last time fort knox was shown on video was back in the 70's i am pretty sure that place is one big empty building right now .Now the real question is where did the gold that once sat inside those walls got moved to?And for what purpose?Although the amount of gold they had there wouldnt put a dent into to massive debt the USA has to pay these days anyway LOL!

Ahkenaten
22nd December 2010, 01:32
To be honest im not entirely convinced any Gold was ever stolen hence my "allegedly" comment. Am i right in thinking that you believe the Fed still has the Gold? could you elaborate?
cheers mate
Hurritt

I have no way of knowing what is in Fort Knox if that is what you mean. I have heard stories about gold being stolen from beneath the WTC after 911................I was thinking about the trillions that went missing at DoD Sept. 10, 2001 and more recently, the up-to-23 Trillion that went missing after the real estate derivatives melt-down in October '08......and the Maddoff scam. I have heard where people think that money went. No one wants to say where in public though.

Bauzer
22nd December 2010, 06:31
I have no way of knowing what is in Fort Knox if that is what you mean. I have heard stories about gold being stolen from beneath the WTC after 911................I was thinking about the trillions that went missing at DoD Sept. 10, 2001 and more recently, the up-to-23 Trillion that went missing after the real estate derivatives melt-down in October '08......and the Maddoff scam. I have heard where people think that money went. No one wants to say where in public though.

I guess one can only assume where the money went, although that isn't such a good way to go about things either. For some reason I felt it disappeared in to the black budget projects since it simply went 'missing'. Like you say though.. who knows?

After reading that letter, I do feel that its intended to be a positive stance towards something good, but I also agree with Alky, that the USA is just too proud to simply agree to those terms. (Is it just me, or would anyone else like to see this ninja army kick some politician ass?!)

I am personally torn with the idea of the NWO aka one world government. It seems nearly everything we heard about regarding it seems sinister, and frankly I believe like most of you that there are too many parties that seem to be sinister in how they would like things to go. There are things happening in Canada even now that get my blood boiling over that point towards this kind of change, but I too am proud, and want to keep my freedoms and sovereignty (since I feel these changes are negative and not beneficial for us)

Then I have to think forward a bit. Don't these 'advanced beings' we hear so much about come from such worlds? One World Governments? Unified planets? Isn't this a step towards how we should be moving? I feel the answer is yes..


Sadly... I don't feel that ANYONE or group anywhere is able to take us there, because all I seem to hear and find are lies and bullying..

So again.. I am torn at the idea of the Unification of our World. I think we as a people are just not quite ready for it.

bluestflame
22nd December 2010, 06:38
so ...what have they done about looking into the missing trillions the investigation was supposed to be chasing ? ...just conveniently dropped and no longer pursued?

Rocky_Shorz
23rd December 2010, 22:34
BP is starting to sell bonds next week to raise funding and quietly mentioned they are selling off $10B in assets...

watch who buys them...

what is going on is what a rich person does before a divorce, selling off assets to a friend while racking up loans to show there just there is nothing left to give...

Here is another piece quietly being sold...


Bogota: Colombia's competition regulator has given the green light for state oil firm Ecopetrol and Canada's Talisman to acquire the Colombian unit of BP.

Ecopetrol said Tuesday in a press release that the Superindendancy of Industry and Commerce's decision gives the go-ahead for the $1.75 billion purchase of BP Exploration Company Colombia Limited.

The deal includes a $145 million (Dh532 million) payment for the stake in the Oleoducto Central S.A., or Ocensa, pipeline.

Ecopetrol and Talisman had reached an agreement in August to acquire all of the British energy giant's businesses and assets in the Andean nation.

The transaction is part of BP's strategy for meeting claims costs related to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

story link (http://gulfnews.com/business/oil-gas/regulator-okays-bp-asset-sell-off-1.735048)

Talisman is a curious name for a company... "An object marked with magic signs and believed to confer on its bearer supernatural powers or protection."

is this a Freemason company?

Carmody
23rd December 2010, 22:58
After a split from British Petroleum, Talisman Energy sold off money losing mining operations and focused on its large natural gas holdings in British Columbia, Canada.

In 1992, BP Canada became established as Talisman Energy and subsidiary Fortuna Petroleum, which became one of the first international oil companies to do business with Cuba.

On May 30, 2007 the Company announced the retirement of its longtime President & CEO, James Buckee. John Manzoni, formerly of BP, was named as his successor, effective September 1, 2007.

Max01
24th December 2010, 14:32
Good point. I think now is the best time to get the free energy out as a way of telling the U.S government to "stuff it, we're not waiting any longer!"

NOW is the time.

I think that we can forget about the free energy from the government.
They even banned high tech steam engines.

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This 250-hp nine cylinder steam engine was quite small, but it packed a punch while requiring a boiler and a large condenser with a buffer tank. The best part about this engine was that it required minimal fossil fuels and included miniscule carbon emissions.:nerd:

At the time, Saab believed that they had overcome the most difficult obstacles with this engine that included everything from freezing, lubrication, cooling and starting time.

Myatding
29th January 2011, 01:12
Please, forgive me if this is already being discussed here somewhere. I have been looking for hours and don't see these threads being tied together, yet, and I have been living with these questions for some weeks now.

I think that this is the best place to ask these questions out of anywhere I have found on the Internet so far. I expect that there will be some here (Atticus/Charles? The Chinese fellow? Bill? ????) who might know details of these various subjects. Is there a link, or am I stretching?

I have no first hand experience, other than that I have my own gut feeling/intuition that I work with. I'm hoping for tips or perhaps verifications. This is what I see from researching on the Internet:


Benjamin Fulford speaks of his contacts working to overthrow the global banking cartel once and for all.
He speaks of a faction of the Chinese who were behind the Ming Dinasty as ready to come back into power to bring a humanity back into the picture with the global economy.
He speaks of the Chinese holding down the value of their currency until they are ready to move into a new phase post-global bankster control.
He speaks of China and Japan being ready to develop all economies of the world so that we use our knowledge and technologies to feed the world, develop clean energy production and space travel.
He speaks of a desire by factions in China and Japan to support the patriots in the US and other countries currently under the repressive control of the oil and banking system controllers to rebuild the US and other economies so that they are once again good customers for a global commerce.
The desired outcomes being: ability to have more people on the planet in a healthy way, ability to colonize space, no need for depopulation of planet by Illuminati working to that plan, all people in all countries able to have food, shelter, clothing, energy and education/information in order to live to their full potential.
He speaks of a January 31, 2011 ultimatum before the rug is pulled out from under the feet of the global banking cartel and oil controllers.
He speaks of many different attempts by these controlling factions to create wars to sell weapons, devalue currencies, buy everything and then build the country up again under their control and profiting from the Hegelian process of dividing and conquering.



Then, I see the Iraqi Dinar RV crew saying that the proof that the Iraqi Dinar is iminent (has been for months) and will certainly RV is that those behind the Federal Reserve and other banking system banks and countries within that system have been buying billions/trillions of Iraqi Dinar.
I wonder: Is there a connection between the activities that Benjamin Fulford speaks of and the delaying of the Iraqi Dinar RV? I.e., would it be a total revitalization of the starving controlling families if the Iraqi Dinar revalued before the Chinese/Japanese/American Patriots in the American Defense forces et al are able to assist a global end to the controlling and oppressive fiat money system and dependance on oil/coal/etc when free energy alternatives have been available for decades?

Again, please forgive me if someone else has already been discussing these connections. If so, will someone please give me links to the discussions, even if on other forums/websites? I'm asking these questions because they are living in me. I want to understand the game being played out better so that I am able to turn my creative ability to manifest for the greater good of all as we move into a different way of living together.

On a last point in relation to Ben Fulford's assertions:

Is it really reasonable to see a Chinese element that has a strong interest in humanity when the plebes in China, animals, planet are said to be used and abused for business gain? I see so much waste of resources to make widgets to sell to everyone. I also know that there are some of the best things made by humans made in China. So I am open to the posibility that there are factions who value the planet, individual human beings, animals, etc. I just have to wonder how we make that jump!

I do not have first hand experience of China. I want to understand and learn more. I have first hand experience of the Japanese and I feel an affinity and trust of the Japanese people. I may also have that for the Chinese people, but have not had the chance to get to know them. Though I do resonate with the underlying "way" that I feel conveyed in some Chinese movies that I have seen/read.

Forgive me for the long post. I am so hungry to know more about these things. Does anyone have anything to add to this? Do you see what I am seeing? Where might I be off track? Do you have any missing peices to this puzzle?

Cheers,

Mark

NancyV
29th January 2011, 01:40
Here is a discussion that was started about 10 days ago:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11610-Global-dinar-revaluation-programme-imminent.-Us-dollar-refunding-project-imminent.&p=105824#post105824

This discussion doesn't go into a lot of depth and Benjamin Fulford wasn't mentioned. Yes, lots of governments and banks have billions/trillions of dinar and that may be a clue that it will RV to a reasonable level. It was devalued abruptly to an absurdly low value so it could just as easily revalue and then Iraq could participate again on an International level. I hope it does as I invested in it almost 7 years ago.

Some in the dinar community also claim that the RV is tied to the global settlement programs. I think that has more to do with being another excuse each side can use for delays. The dinar gurus can say that because the global settlements have been delayed the RV is again delayed, and the global settlement gurus can say that the global settlements will be released concurrently with the dinar RV, but since the RV hasn't happened yet the global settlements are again delayed. Works out well for both sides. LOL...

I haven't been following Fulford much lately so it's always interesting to hear what he's saying right now, it's like a wonderful adventure movie. However he's said so many things that have not come to pass I tend to just wait to see what happens and never get excited about his predictions. Of course we do know there are machinations and power games going on all over the world trying to manipulate economies and countries. I'm hoping that the dinar RV is one of the manipulations that comes to pass.

Nancy :)

Shairia
29th January 2011, 01:48
I think that's an ambitious agenda for China and Japan to pull off. I'm not a fan of B. Fulford but it is possible there is some truth to some of those points.

penn
29th January 2011, 02:56
Mark,
I feel your eagerness for an answer that I too am seeking. I am trying to connect the dots of info/dis-info and I keep telling myself - truth is simple once you figure it out. The angle of the good vs bad is very complex with this money/power game. The wheel has more spokes than it has tread.

Still, I try to figure it out, because I want to understand why it is so important to have control over so many people. Once someone wins and they have all the power will they be any happier? Will they feel unconditional love and compassion? I wish I could spend time with the individuals in control to understand what difference it would make for them. Maybe even help them see what it feels like to give unconditionally.

If the Dinar was to revalue I guess we would have our answer to this angle.
Cheers to you too,
Penn

davyj0nes
29th January 2011, 03:18
i enjoy these geopolitical/economic power plays. I'm a fan of ben fulford, i'm glad to hear he is still alive. this thread brings up a couple things that until now have escaped my focus. i completely forgot that iraq had its own currency! how sad is that, but now add to the mix that their currency is extremely devalued. if i have this correct, the banking families have purchased obscene amounts iraqi dinar on the cheap, and are holding it until the revaluation. the amount of profit they will make is mindboggling.

I just one question, what are these 'global settlements'??? It sounds like a good delay tactic but it can't go on forever.

Lastly i would say a lot of what said about china is just good ole'fashion propaganda. i'm not saying they're innocent, but neither is any other country.

gripreaper
29th January 2011, 03:34
Well, the ultimate goal is a one world IMF "drawing rights" system to help with the transition, so the game continues. Iraq is a good example.

20 years ago before the globalists went into Iraq, their currency was on par with Kuwait at approximately 3.70 to one US dollar, which is approx where Kuwait's currency stands now. The Iraqi Dinar is at 1170 to 1. So, going into Iraq, bombing the bajezits out of them,trashing their economy, starving the people into poverty, stealing all the Sumerian artifacts held by the country, building the biggest embassy on the planet which rivals the largest palaces anywhere,looks complete.

Now, with Iraq having the largest oil reserves, which are said to be larger than Saudi Arabia, it's time to saddle the Iraqi people with massive high interest loans to rebuild their infrastructure, put them in perpetual debt to the globalists, steal all their oil and insure their slavery.

Rinse repeat all around the world.

Myatding
29th January 2011, 23:42
I do see what you are talking about gripreaper. We are talking power plays for control here. What I'm really wondering now is whether or not there is something different that is going on due to a shift in consciousness as we sometimes talk about.

I know in my life I feel far better off working synergistically with others rather than continually working to undermine and then conquer others. I feel happier in myself. I could possibly have more stuff if I were more competitive, but I don't feel it would be worth it.

I have an expectation that if I see this for myself it is possible for people in masse see this at some stage.

Calz
30th January 2011, 05:43
Catherine Austin Fitts is one of the most interesting "white hat type" insider/whistleblowers to go mainstream (if you consider coast to coast am as mainstream). She also appeared on Veritas (and I think Mel is a member here?).

She was part of Papa Bush's administration in Housing and Urban Development ... and she has spent a lot of time involved with wall street types (now serving as a financial advisor).

Not making a plug but for those wishing to follow up either do a search on the archives of c2c, veritas or here is her site:

http://solari.com/

Anyway ... point for the backdrop is that she has been saying for years that the PTB/W have been moving money from USA to China since the 90s. This isn't a new developement and has been part of the "plan" for a long long time.

Not sure what to make of Fulford but this lady Fitts is the real deal.

fifi
30th January 2011, 08:33
Catherine Austin Fitts - The Looting Of America


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzZzl6FwGfo&feature=player_embedded

Myatding
1st February 2011, 09:55
Catherine Austin Fitts - The Looting Of America

Thank you so much for sharing that video fifi! I haven't had the good fortune of coming across Catherine Austin Fitts as yet. She is easy to respect. I feel a great deal of gratitude for her having the courage and will power to speak out about what she can see.

Thanks again for bothering to share it with me here. I am looking forward to reading more from her.

kenkyushiryo
1st February 2011, 13:44
id like to second this post. just last night i watched a video called "Lord James of Blackheath speaks of Foundation X ".

i feel there is a correlation.

the lord in questions was making a comment to other lords in the house about an entity he named "foundation x" who was willing to give very very large sums of gold bullion backed money to the uk for whatever uses it sees fit.

i originally posted it here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13001-Lord-James-of-Blackheath-speaks-of-Foundation-X)


SlwJPFEZ_-I

58andfixed
2nd February 2011, 05:29
[LIST]
Benjamin Fulford speaks of his contacts working to overthrow the global banking cartel once and for all.

(...)

Mark

Worth looking into Benjamin Fulford.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Fulford

I wonder if Benjamin would consider giving Bill an interview ?

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Calz
2nd February 2011, 06:04
Worth looking into Benjamin Fulford.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Fulford

I wonder if Benjamin would consider giving Bill an interview ?

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Fulford has already been interviewed by Camelot a while back ... check the library.

*edit*

Here is the link:

http://projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford.html

58andfixed
2nd February 2011, 06:11
Fulford has already been interviewed by Camelot a while back ... check the library.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Found it here (Tokyo, Japan, February 2008):

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/benjamin_fulford_interview_transcript_1_en.html

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Myatding
3rd February 2011, 16:36
If y'all missed this in another thread I'm reposting this mp3 here, as it is very relevant to this discussion.

Maybe I will post this in a Charles section so that this gets seen!! ;) (couldn't help myself)

This was shared, but then the link expired. FORTUNATELY I downloaded it before it expired! I have uploaded it to my website so that it will remain available. Does anyone know who this guy being interviewed is? I'd love to see Bill do an interview with him!

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

Cheers,
Mark

58andfixed
4th February 2011, 06:19
If y'all missed this in another thread I'm reposting this mp3 here, as it is very relevant to this discussion.

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

Cheers,
Mark

Hi Mark:

Here's another source:

http://thankyouwhiteknights.blogspot.com/2011/02/top-level-intel-must-hear.html

To keep this short, I'm leaping straight into a speculation, so heads-up here folks, this has my bias stamped all over this.

Anyone worth their banking investigative salt would smell a couple of ill-schooled X-Enron or wanna-be's all over this poorly cobbled together story.

How would "Contact 2" and their ilk benefit ?

The same way that Enron benefited when they had some 'contacts' that the traders could call up and say -- "you need to shut the power down for 12 hours." Next thing you know, the futures markets spike in a very predictable direction, if you knew when that phone call was to be placed.

Just the simple fact of the B.I.S. machinery far surpasses that of the FED, which is but one of its many cogs, and one can be fairly certain that their 'system' isn't going to unwind in all that much of a hurry.

In fact when [not IF] it does unwind, I'd be willing to find some family jewels to lay on the square that says S.D.R.'s and IMF are going to benefit, and B.I.S., like a chameleon [likely already in existence, ready to be pulled out of a hat] is going to change spots, and everyone is going to wonder where did it go ...

I'd suggest doing much more reading up on B.I.S., IMF, the World Bank, expect some jiggles, and some nations collaborating on 'joined currencies' such as has been attempted [EURO] however, also note the difficulties, and expect the transition to take decades.

In the meantime, be prepared to be surprised.

Rinse the cookie sheets, set to dry, and re-use when necessary ... :)

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jorr lundstrom
4th February 2011, 07:35
This is originally from Myatding here on Avalon. Its really heavy stuff.:cool:

They speaks about really heavy stuff happening now, starting in China

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

Open it on Myatdins page:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2986-Myatding#vmessage13461

Gajanana
4th February 2011, 07:36
This is originally from Myatding here on Avalon. Its really heavy stuff.:cool:


http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

link didnt work :(

jorr lundstrom
4th February 2011, 07:42
I picked it from Myatdings page. Get it there;)

cayman
4th February 2011, 07:50
No matter how China would play its role, this materials sure validate that the financial war is seething.

right now , there is a domestic financial war going on within the Chinese regime----"allow its citizens to invest overseas or not"-----quite a drama for the past month----I will elaborate on that in my thread about China .

back to the point in this thread, the domestic financial war within China is an epitome of the worldwide financial war, how it pan out would have a great impact on the world financial order----that, I'm certain.

jorr lundstrom
4th February 2011, 08:13
This is originally from Myatding here on Avalon. Its really heavy stuff.:cool:

They speaks about really heavy stuff happening now, starting in China

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

Open it on Myatdins page:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2986-Myatding#vmessage13461

Think there is a way now

58andfixed
4th February 2011, 08:17
No matter how China would play its role, this materials sure validate that the financial war is seething.



Hi Cayman:

Of that there is no doubt, the issue is, does the "Thank You White Knights" have any basis in reality.

Here would be a good point to introduce another perspective -- a Michael Pettis.

Here is one place to find him. The other link is down at this time.

http://seekingalpha.com/author/michael-pettis

Please do more than average due diligence on Michael, because his 'roots' go far back, and those are well worth unraveling to get a sense of his bias.

We can only speculate about his true 'agenda' in China, but he is well 'dug in' at this point in time, and has been establishing credibility inside of China for some time.

That new perspective added in, the comparison between 'Contact 2' & Michael could be made as between a sophomore and a post grad.

One could reasonably speculate that the 'agenda' for the 'radio show interview' would be to introduce a lot of un-Googled material that is assumed that hasn't been found, and once a listener is 'shocked' about this information, then they could be suddenly 'motivated' to intervene as is been done in Cairo to eject Hosni Mubarak from power.

The population in this country marches to an irrational beat inside the mind, and some deeper thinking is required first.

-- again, just my take on this material.

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jorr lundstrom
4th February 2011, 08:21
Seems like the banks are coming down;)

Calz
4th February 2011, 08:21
No matter how China would play its role, this materials sure validate that the financial war is seething.

right now , there is a domestic financial war going on within the Chinese regime----"allow its citizens to invest overseas or not"-----quite a drama for the past month----I will elaborate on that in my thread about China .

back to the point in this thread, the domestic financial war within China is an epitome of the worldwide financial war, how it pan out would have a great impact on the world financial order----that, I'm certain.

Hi cayman.

Thanks for posting here. The China thread is very interesting and it is great to have voices from all over the globe.

Fulford is based in Japan so I don't know if you follow his material (or would want to for that matter) but quite clearly we are close to some major changes on how the world financial system is structured.

The old system simply cannot continue and many would argue that's a good thing.

I guess the heart of the issue is that the world recognizes it is time to move away from the dollar as the world currency. What is going on now is negoitating where to go from here.

Not sure what will come of it but I don't think it will be too much longer before we find out???

bluestflame
4th February 2011, 08:29
appropriate time to bring in a new banking system , to start a new venture in the Chinese new year (of the rabbit) abundance

Gajanana
4th February 2011, 08:31
Great stuff, am halfway thru... gotta go do some work now ;)
tak :bounce:

jorr lundstrom
4th February 2011, 08:35
Til lykke, good stuff.:cool:

str8thinker
4th February 2011, 11:18
Thanks for the mp3. Just Google for "revaluation of dinar" and there are lots of articles on this:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Iraqi-Dinar-Value-Chart-For-Converting-Iraqi-Dinar-Value-to-Dollar
http://www.longbets.org/437
http://www.forextradersystem.com/iraqi-dinar/iraqi-dinar-revaluation-projections-for-the-future

Nortreb
4th February 2011, 11:51
This is originally from Myatding here on Avalon. Its really heavy stuff.:cool:

They speaks about really heavy stuff happening now, starting in China

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

Open it on Myatdins page:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2986-Myatding#vmessage13461

Think there is a way now
Thanks! This was great information to discern. Another sign....;)

Calz
4th February 2011, 12:49
Hi all,

Since we are "doing Fulford" this might be of interest. Came out a few weeks ago and I will copy his PUBLIC (not subscription) portion here.

He mentions something quite similar to the latest RULER's thread about ... THE MACHINE :spider:


Weekly Geopolitical News and Analysis110105: Are we dealing with a rogue artificial intelligence?
Since the war over the new financial system has been in limbo over the holidays this week we will examine the possibility we are actually dealing with a rogue artificial intelligence. Two separate individuals claiming to represent a group called Majestic 12 (but who do not know each other) have made this claim. Already, in some countries, only 3% of the money in circulation is in physical, analogue cash form; the rest is digital. That means many humans are already dependent on powerful financial computer systems for their physical needs. Are these computer systems becoming self-aware? There are also increasing reports of “people” on sites such as Facebook who, after much dialogue, appear not to be actually human but are instead sophisticated computer programs. Are we witnessing the birth of silicon based life?

str8thinker
4th February 2011, 13:17
Just finished listening to myatding's mp3. Very interesting. Anyone figure out where it came from? Only clue to the guest speaker is that he is named as "Contact Two". One thing I found interesting is his take on 9/11 and the "Home Run" software, very similar to "Henry Deacon"'s story in Bill Ryan's Freedom Central interview.

Maria Stade
4th February 2011, 14:47
OMG this is sure mindblowing for many to hear !

Time to grasp the truth !

Thank you I will share this to others !

Namaste

Rocky_Shorz
5th February 2011, 00:46
Fulford's latest interview with DW sounds much different than the last, including putting names on who is battling...

Fulford's Blog...


The “revolutions” that have started in the Middle East are all part of a plot by the families that own the Federal Reserve Board, according to sources deep within the system. As a part of this plan, the series of orchestrated replacements of puppets disguised as “revolutions” that started with Tunisia and moved on to Egypt will continue to unfold in country after country over the coming weeks and months. The end game is to try to provoke major unrest in the US that will lead to the declaration of martial law followed by the use of mercenary armies to enforce fascist rule there. What the Feds do not realize is that all they are doing is exposing their entire network and that they will be stopped by the Pentagon and other agencies. The private armies now deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq will not be allowed to arrest American citizens and put them into FEMA camps, period.

it lays out who is battling financially over the next 6 years...

full interview starts half way down the page (http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/807-fulford-interview-exclusive)

Rocky_Shorz
5th February 2011, 01:28
Bump...

can these threads be merged?

fifi
5th February 2011, 01:33
More on Fulford's Blog.
http://stevebeckow.com/2011/02/ben-fulford-fed-plan-bring-private-armies-stopped/

Quote
The “revolutions” that have started in the Middle East are all part of a plot by the families that own the Federal Reserve Board, according to sources deep within the system. As a part of this plan, the series of orchestrated replacements of puppets disguised as “revolutions” that started with Tunisia and moved on to Egypt will continue to unfold in country after country over the coming weeks and months.

The end game is to try to provoke major unrest in the US that will lead to the declaration of martial law followed by the use of mercenary armies to enforce fascist rule there. What the Feds do not realize is that all they are doing is exposing their entire network and that they will be stopped by the Pentagon and other agencies. The private armies now deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq will not be allowed to arrest American citizens and put them into FEMA camps, period.

The move by the Federal Reserve Board crime syndicate is part of a power grab within very esoteric levels of the secret power structure of the planet, according to sources who cannot be identified without putting their lives in danger.

The sources explained the nature of the secret government in order to explain the exact nature of the power grab that is under way. At the very top of the secret pyramid can be found an individual known as M1, according to them and other sources. Beneath M1 is what is known as M3 and it consists of three people. That is followed by M5 (five people) and then by M9 (number unknown but now believed to be only 6-7 people).

Underneath M9 is a group of 555 people with varying ranks (with 33 being the lowest) who are usually leaders of countries or large organizations. Most 33rd degree freemasons are part of this group.

Below them can be found the visible structures of the government with the UN at the top, the EU and the World Bank on the next level and below that the BIS, US corporate government and the Federal Reserve Board.

In a parallel secret structure with levels ranging from 7 to 13, meanwhile, can be found organizations like the CIA, the NSA, Interpol etc. They act as legal enforcers and protectors of the system.

According to the sources, if you super-impose organizational charts of the visible and invisible power structures on each other, you end up with a Star of David.

The original M1 was President Soekarno of Indonesia. He was removed as part of a power grab by the banking cartel headed by the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and other families that own the Federal Reserve Board.

A new M1 was put in place after Soekarno and he stayed in that role for 33 years, or until September 2001. However, there was a de facto lack of leadership within the secret government since 1995 when the Bretton Woods mandate of the British, French and Americans ran out.

Since that time there has been an ongoing effort by the banking cartel headed by the Rothschilds to replace the entire top of the pyramid, starting with M1. The result has been a leadership vacuum and secret power struggle, punctuated by not so secret events like 911 and the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan

The Russians were never part of this system. Instead, they operated a clearing house with the Western banks known as Alpha Omega station. They will be invited to join the new system that is being prepared.

What is now happening is that a new M1 has been selected and there has been a major infusion of new faces into the ranks up to M9. They say they need to keep their identities secret for their own protection because so much greed and evil gravitates towards the top of the financial system.

The investigations of the group that attempted to grab all the power structures from M9 down to M33 have led to members of the Rothschild family, the Bank of England, the World Economic Forum and the Vatican bank.

It is this group that built up the private armies now killing innocent people in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. They want to bring those armies into the US as part of a desperate gambit to keep themselves in power. They are also still trying to take over the planet and kill billions of people. They still think they cannot be stopped.

They have been trying very hard to engineer a food crisis and start hunger revolutions throughout the world. They have also been spreading diseases and poisons.

What many of them do not realize is that they will be arrested before they can carry out their plan.

The question, of course, is why and how was the new M1-M9 leadership selected. They say they were selected on a system of merit and need to keep secret to prevent assassination. They also say the M1 is not a secret dictator but rather a person who puts the final signature that frees money to carry out any consensus reached by the visible governments. They promise the new system will set humanity free and stop the rape of the planet.
Unquote

cayman
5th February 2011, 05:40
....
the issue is, does the "Thank You White Knights" have any basis in reality...

:wave: thanks, point taken



Here would be a good point to introduce another perspective -- a Michael Pettis.

..... his 'roots' go far back, and those are well worth unraveling to get a sense of his bias.

We can only speculate about his true 'agenda' in China, but he is well 'dug in' at this point in time, and has been establishing credibility inside of China for some time. .......

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Here is a bigger fish than Michael Pettis-----John L. Thornton
John Lawson Thornton is Professor and Director of Global Leadership at Tsinghua University in Beijing. He is a former President and Co-COO of Goldman Sachs...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Thornton

cayman
5th February 2011, 05:47
Just finished listening to myatding's mp3. Very interesting. Anyone figure out where it came from? Only clue to the guest speaker is that he is named as "Contact Two". One thing I found interesting is his take on 9/11 and the "Home Run" software, very similar to "Henry Deacon"'s story in Bill Ryan's Freedom Central interview.

One thing I have to say: this "contact 2" has very savvy and accurate knowledge about Chinese ancient history, the connection he made between China and South America Indian is rare but substantial

cayman
5th February 2011, 06:10
More on Fulford's Blog.
http://stevebeckow.com/2011/02/ben-fulford-fed-plan-bring-private-armies-stopped/

Quote
.........

The original M1 was President Soekarno of Indonesia. He was removed as part of a power grab by the banking cartel headed by the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and other families that own the Federal Reserve Board.

A new M1 was put in place after Soekarno and he stayed in that role for 33 years, or until September 2001. However, there was a de facto lack of leadership within the secret government since 1995 when the Bretton Woods mandate of the British, French and Americans ran out.

........
Unquote

The original M1 was President Soekarno of Indonesia??? I find it is hard to believe
http://www.qiaou.com/uabcdef/34123-393283.aspx

Otho
5th February 2011, 08:34
Edward Harle aka Christopher Story is a deep, extensive source of information. He has his particular ideological biases but he was well connected,certainly grasped macro economics, the real economy, the players and the dark games being played. He was a source for Fulford before they had a falling out. He's dead now, or possibly in hiding. His site is still up and you can scour the archives if you have a lot of time. But his work is a piece of the puzzle for sure.
http://worldreports.org/

58andfixed
5th February 2011, 09:23
Here is a bigger fish than Michael Pettis-----John L. Thornton
John Lawson Thornton is Professor and Director of Global Leadership at Tsinghua University in Beijing. He is a former President and Co-COO of Goldman Sachs...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_L._Thornton[/QUOTE]

Thanks Cayman for an additional source.

Does John Thornton run a public blog where one can track their opinion, links & sources with dates to sequence their accuracy ?

One shot of anything is but a shadow when comparing to someone tracked in real-time over an extended period.

I'm not stacking a lot of chips on "Contact 2" even though he's clearly done a good amount of Googling. The story is too incoherent and lacks any overall sense of a bigger picture -- only way one would know is having talked to some 'brokers' over a phone or overhear 'Boiler Room' chatter as they dial for dollars.

Doesn't offer any clue to the world structure of the financial world. Big giveaway for me.

The name is not nearly as important as being able to track their stories.

I hope my suggestions only help others in an effort to be more discerning. I'm not big on doing people's thinking for them.

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mondaze
5th February 2011, 09:28
for what its worth i have been given indonesia as the key revolution. this will be the eyes wide open situation.

Paul
6th February 2011, 06:52
One thing I have to say: this "contact 2" has very savvy and accurate knowledge about Chinese ancient history, the connection he made between China and South America Indian is rare but substantial
Thank-you, cayman. That helped me to make a connection.

A few hours ago, in Post #2942 of "Questions and Answers from Bill about the Charles material" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=124333&viewfull=1#post124333), Bill Ryan wrote of this audio of "Contact 2":

It's nonsense.

If anyone, anywhere, receives a single NESARA 'prosperity package', ever - I will eat my hat on camera in front of witnesses.

Bill was reacting to some of the predictions near the beginning of this audio. He found nonsense.

You were reacting above to some of the comments (about China and South America) later in the audio. You found savvy and accurate knowledge.

I agree with both observations: the predictions in the first few minutes were nonsense, whereas the rest of the talk was quite perceptive.

This might be one of the ways that "they" (The Powers That Be) disseminate "alternative views and new insights." Wrap them in a package that only those receptive to "alternative views" will be intrigued by and get past. The "nonsense" forecasts up front (with the tight deadlines -- just days away) are the bait, the cheese in the mouse trap, that gets our attention and insures rapid dissemination on the alternative media forums. Once we open the package (get past the bait) we hear things that most people aren't ready to hear yet (things that may or may not be true, that depends on what "they" want to tell us.)

Thanks, cayman.

fifi
6th February 2011, 07:13
for what its worth i have been given indonesia as the key revolution. this will be the eyes wide open situation.

Hi Mondaze, can you elaborate more about this info. This reminds me of the crop circles in Indonesia this year.

cayman
6th February 2011, 14:40
Thanks Cayman for an additional source.

Does John Thornton run a public blog where one can track their opinion, links & sources with dates to sequence their accuracy ?

One shot of anything is but a shadow when comparing to someone tracked in real-time over an extended period.
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Agree.
I don't think John Thornton have a blog or something like that. This kind of guy just DO, no TALK.
In my opinion,the best way to find out One's true color is by seeing what one did. Here is what I know for a fact that what John.T did in China so far: he start a hedge fund focus on Chinese corporation debt(at least it claim so), which operate very subtly and quietly. his partners of the hedge fund are some unfamous but influential figures whose track record aren't that benevolent---let's put it this way. Another thing,2 years ago, he tried to obtain the US Ambassadorship in China but failed---why? "he think too much"---direct quote from someone. what will he accomplish in China? don't know, but I sure will pay attention on that, this guy don't waste time

qbeac
7th February 2011, 04:15
This is originally from Myatding here on Avalon. Its really heavy stuff.:cool:

They speaks about really heavy stuff happening now, starting in China

http://files.hoza.me/Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

Open it on Myatdins page:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2986-Myatding#vmessage13461

Think there is a way now
Hi jorr lundstrom, thanks for posting that info. I’ve been listening to a big portion of this MP3:

Information-on-Iraqi-Dinar-etc-2Feb2011.mp3

… and it is reaaaaally interesting. If what they say is true and if I am not misunderstanding the situation, I guess big changes are about to start in the world, starting with the banking system. China is heavely involved in it and they would be the “good guys”, is that correct?

In any case, I’ll comment some more later on in another post and, before that, I’d like to read your comments, because I haven’t had the chance yet to see what you are saying about it.

Again, thanks for posting it, very, very interesting stuff.

qbeac
7th February 2011, 04:58
One thing I have to say: this "contact 2" has very savvy and accurate knowledge about Chinese ancient history, the connection he made between China and South America Indian is rare but substantial
Thank-you, cayman. That helped me to make a connection.

A few hours ago, in Post #2942 of "Questions and Answers from Bill about the Charles material" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=124333&viewfull=1#post124333), Bill Ryan wrote of this audio of "Contact 2":

It's nonsense.

If anyone, anywhere, receives a single NESARA 'prosperity package', ever - I will eat my hat on camera in front of witnesses.

Bill was reacting to some of the predictions near the beginning of this audio. He found nonsense.

You were reacting above to some of the comments (about China and South America) later in the audio. You found savvy and accurate knowledge.

I agree with both observations: the predictions in the first few minutes were nonsense, whereas the rest of the talk was quite perceptive...
Hi Paul, thanks a lot for the info. I guess there are only two possibilities here:



1) "Contact 2" is wrong about the big changes of the banking system, or only about the part related to the 'prosperity packages'

2) Bill will eat his hat on camera
I really don’t know which option will turn out to be correct, but in case option two occurs, let’s hope the hat tastes good.

Well, on a serious note, the thing I find a little strange is why Bill seems to be SO sure of his opinion about this subject considering the fact that there are MANY important things he has admitted himself he does not know about.

And I’ll give one example (there are more), his not knowing the answer to Q#2, as you can see in this post:

#3303, pag. 166
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=125286&viewfull=1#post125286

Excerpt from that post:




…………….snip………….

Question 2: Bill, what is the best explanation or description you could give us about the following aspects of the state of the current “world game” (or scenario, or situation):…………. snip………..

And also parts a, b, c, d, e

The full question is in this Post:

Post #2751, pag. 138. Answers from Bill
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=123936&viewfull=1#post123936
Bill, question #2 was an important question and you say you don’t know the answer…???


Bill’s answer to Q #2:

2) (a) - (e): great questions. I'd love to know the details. I'm not well enough informed to offer any opinion that would be valuable here.

Well, thanks for your sincerity, I do appreciate it, but then, the sentence that comes to my mind is:

Houston, we have problem!

………snip………etc.

……..and the rest of my answer is in Post #3303, pag. 166

Lord Sidious
7th February 2011, 05:08
Just finished listening to myatding's mp3. Very interesting. Anyone figure out where it came from? Only clue to the guest speaker is that he is named as "Contact Two". One thing I found interesting is his take on 9/11 and the "Home Run" software, very similar to "Henry Deacon"'s story in Bill Ryan's Freedom Central interview.

If this is the same audio with the guy talking about doing his military service in Germany, then his name is Terry Kay or K, you hear that in the last 10 minutes of the audio.

Otho
7th February 2011, 06:00
for what its worth i have been given indonesia as the key revolution. this will be the eyes wide open situation.

Care to share anything more on this, mondaze?

Calz
7th February 2011, 10:22
Today is the day that, according to the mp3 central to this thread, China makes the big announcement to the world. Not holding my breath but there is a lot of truth in that recording so who knows?

Say cayman ... I know you are across the dateline.

Have you heard anything yet???

cayman
7th February 2011, 10:35
Today is the day that, according to the mp3 central to this thread, China makes the big announcement to the world. Not holding my breath but there is a lot of truth in that recording so who knows?

Say cayman ... I know you are across the dateline.

Have you heard anything yet???

Not yet. If it's gonna be something big, it will be announced in 19:00--19:30, that will be 11:00--11:30 in London time, so exactly 1 hour later, you will get my update

Myatding
7th February 2011, 12:37
Hello all:

Please, note that I reposted this mp3 from someone else who posted it. The reason that I re-posted the audio is because the original recording only lasted for 3 days and I just happened to download it before it died. I uploaded it and posted a link again so that it would remain available for study.

I do not know whether it is acurate or not, nor do I know exactly where it was originally given. I am keen to see what others are saying about it here. Thanks to everyone who has contributed more viewpoints on this.

Myatding
7th February 2011, 12:57
It's worth pointing out clearly here that Bill Ryan has said that this recording "is nonsense". I was hoping to get some research on this done by posting it in a new thread as it is not related to the Charles matterial threads, but so much is going on in those threads that I really don't see how there is time for most to keep up with other threads, let alone the very interesting Charles matterial threads.

I, too, am interested in the Charles matterial, but I am trying to keep the forums organized by posting in relevant threads.

cayman
7th February 2011, 13:23
now, it past 21:20 in China here. nothing happen, nothing importance have been announced or reported.
Not so disappoint, I might add

majapahit
8th February 2011, 00:41
found this interview with 'contact2' in the comments of an article "All Ambassadors Called Back to Washington!" at
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/399/615/All_Ambassadors_Called_Back_to_Washington.html

and it's like hearing the twin of Casper @ http://www.fourwinds10.com/ talking

about
the Reagan / Wanta scheme, with lots more details
and
was in Germany after WW2 when really weird things happened concerning SS and US intelligence
Project Paperclip ducuments 3500 Nazi's brought to the USA, but a real secret list involves over 100.000
saw the concentration camps of Germany and the secret files of the Real Perpetrators ,of the Kissinger kind,
Kissinger told to be a Nazi SS'er (he's jewish) and Not with Western Intelligence as told in his CV, but a German SS'er

about the Chinese gold that was borrowed to the USA during the depression ~1933 for 75 years
Bush stole this gold, because 'the chinese lenders had died' ..
from the cellars from the Twin Towers .. after which all 'evidence had to be removed'
then there was found a Heir to the Chinese Emperor on Taiwan .. and Bush' problems started

and about CIA operations involving drug trafficking, gun running, coup d'etats everywhere and supporting murderous dictators
the Sjah of Persia had to kill his father to become a CIA asset

the Chinese (Hu's visit) want to DISMANTLE the FED 'system'

Dinar of Iraq, as mentioned on many places, will be the Oil Currency instead of the USD
China's huan will be the reserve currency (?)
the whole FED/IMF/WB/BIC debt based money system will be replaced with a basket of materials

this will happen SOON, as in a couple of days

hence the meeting of all US diplomats with Hillary (EDIT: ""; official reason of gathering, rather unwholesum, called "QDDR", and concerns the implementation of a STASI like doctrine of manhandling the populace, state department wide)

here the link to the radio interview, it's also downloadable
(with some effort, had to copy mine from the IE cache, the mp3 times out at 100% download)
https://www.freeconferencing.com/playback.html?cn=94-43-28-63&e=2243221200000&cid=conferences/-17-65-6759-17-65-67-17-65-67-17-65-67126-17-65-67-17-65-6783-17-65-6753122121-17-65-67-17-65-670.mp3

it's like hearing Fulford & Casper & Wanta talking ..
all at once .. :cool:
let's hope he's right

and if you own a mortgage in the USA
you're a lucky dog after all, mt

Lord Sidious
8th February 2011, 01:36
found this interview with 'contact2' in the comments of an article "All Ambassadors Called Back to Washington!" at
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/399/615/All_Ambassadors_Called_Back_to_Washington.html

and it's like hearing the twin of Casper @ http://www.fourwinds10.com/ talking

about
the Reagan / Wanta scheme, with lots more details
and
was in Germany after WW2 when really weird things happened concerning SS and US intelligence
Project Paperclip ducuments 3500 Nazi's brought to the USA, but a real secret list involves over 100.000
saw the concentration camps of Germany and the secret files of the Real Perpetrators ,of the Kissinger kind,
Kissinger told to be a Nazi SS'er (he's jewish) and Not with Western Intelligence as told in his CV, but a German SS'er

about the Chinese gold that was borrowed to the USA during the depression ~1933 for 75 years
Bush stole this gold, because 'the chinese lenders had died' ..
from the cellars from the Twin Towers .. after which all 'evidence had to be removed'
then there was found a Heir to the Chinese Emperor on Taiwan .. and Bush' problems started

and about CIA operations involving drug trafficking, gun running, coup d'etats everywhere and supporting murderous dictators
the Sjah of Persia had to kill his father to become a CIA asset

the Chinese (Hu's visit) want to DISMANTLE the FED 'system'

Dinar of Iraq, as mentioned on many places, will be the Oil Currency instead of the USD
China's huan will be the reserve currency (?)
the whole FED/IMF/WB/BIC debt based money system will be replaced with a basket of materials

this will happen SOON, as in a couple of days

hence the meeting of all US diplomats with Hillary

here the link to the radio interview, it's also downloadable
(with some effort, had to copy mine from the IE cache, the mp3 times out at 100% download)
https://www.freeconferencing.com/playback.html?cn=94-43-28-63&e=2243221200000&cid=conferences/-17-65-6759-17-65-67-17-65-67-17-65-67126-17-65-67-17-65-6783-17-65-6753122121-17-65-67-17-65-670.mp3

it's like hearing Fulford & Casper & Wanta talking ..
all at once .. :cool:
let's hope he's right

and if you own a mortgage in the USA
you're a lucky dog after all, mt

There is a thread on this already.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12737-Connections-Benjamin-Fulford-China-Iraqi-Dinar-revaluation-Banking-Cartel-end

Operator
8th February 2011, 01:59
There is a thread on this already.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12737-Connections-Benjamin-Fulford-China-Iraqi-Dinar-revaluation-Banking-Cartel-end

Indeed but the summary is very useful and informative .... maybe merge into the existing thread ?

Beth
8th February 2011, 02:25
threads merged.

Revere
10th February 2011, 15:19
Well, the ultimate goal is a one world IMF "drawing rights" system to help with the transition, so the game continues. Iraq is a good example.

20 years ago before the globalists went into Iraq, their currency was on par with Kuwait at approximately 3.70 to one US dollar, which is approx where Kuwait's currency stands now. The Iraqi Dinar is at 1170 to 1. So, going into Iraq, bombing the bajezzuss out of them,trashing their economy, starving the people into poverty, stealing all the Sumerian artifacts held by the country, building the biggest embassy on the planet which rivals the largest palaces anywhere,looks complete.

Now, with Iraq having the largest oil reserves, which are said to be larger than Saudi Arabia, it's time to saddle the Iraqi people with massive high interest loans to rebuild their infrastructure, put them in perpetual debt to the globalists, steal all their oil and insure their slavery.

Rinse repeat all around the world.

War is their Cash Cow:

They make money on supplying the war machine, Running the war (look at all the Private US Firms Halibuton, Black Water, etc.) Cleaning up after the War with all the re-building projects they get and this is only the obvious part of the scam.

Then they re-set the countries economy. Their WMF loans them money to restart their economy that their War crashed. The deal for the loan will include Oil development, construction development, and many other sweet heart deals are included for certain companies that they are told they must buy from to get the great deal that they are receiving. The WMF will loan them the money to buy from their co-conspirators, charge them interest to do it, and then the big one is to decide the new market value of their currency which they crashed by starting the War. Oh, and guess what...they happen to hold many billions of it which become Trillions overnight. A lot of Corks will be popped that night as they droll over their BLOOD MONEY.

"the root of evil is the love of money"

I would luv to know in detail how the net wealth of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld is affected after all this comes to pass...the SOBs that pushed the real PTB agenda!
Evil, Evil, Evil didn't Bush call everybody else that? As%h&le

-R-

Myatding
11th February 2011, 16:31
Hello all,

I don't purport to know whether this is true or not. I have done a lot of research, but I don't have the connections required to really check these things out properly. I am sharing this here in hopes that others here might have insights. It still seems to me like Benjamin Fulford is making sense, though some say he's often misinformed. Any way, have a look at this and see what you think.

Cheers,
Mark


Benjamin Fulford Asian Global Events & Poofness Feb 9/11

Posted by benjamin (http://www.benjaminfulford.net/)
February 7, 2011

High level sources have provided us with a flurry of contradictory news about Chinese President Hu Jintao and what promises he extracted during his January visit to Washington. A high level CIA source has said the Washington establishment was forced to promise Hu that Obama would soon resign, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Reserve Board would be abolished and frozen funds would be released by March of this year in order to finance a new era.

Other sources including a senior Japanese leftist activist (a new but famous source) and a member of the British Royal family are saying Hu was blackmailed in Washington and would thus soon be removed from the Chinese power structure. Finally, senior Chinese sources introduced by the yakuza are telling us the so-called Dragon Family has nothing to do with China. What is clear from all this information, much of it from new and unverified sources, as well as all the revolutionary incidents being provoked around the world, is that we have entered a very sensitive time in the battle over the future of the planet earth.

The White Dragon Society has also now been contacted by an outfit known as Alpha Omega Station. Alpha Omega was the link between the US dollar and the Ruble during the cold war. During the cold war, the only way to carry out foreign exchange transactions between the US dollar and the Russian Ruble was to go through Alpha Omega Station, according to a senior Russian FSB and CIA sources.

Alpha Omega was given an unexpected new role in 1994 when the French, American and British Bretton Woods mandate expired and Western financial oligarchs could not agree on a new regime. The control over the dollar was thus temporarily given, the sources said, to Yuri Andropov, the head of the KGB. Our FSB source says that a high level conference was called in 1994 and various extremely senior people (mostly Royal family members) were ordered to bring 7 devices that controlled aspects of the financial system.

The boxes were stolen at the meeting by US officials (including Bill Clinton) and their Russian collaborators (including Michkael Gorbachev) in an attempt to hijack control of the financial system.

Unfortunately, they were unable to overcome security measures put in place and a secret war over control of the world’s money has raged on ever since, the sources say. The FSB is now offering to help reactivate the system, they claim.

However, Ambassador Leo Wanta, who claims to have been part of the operation to overthrow the US financial system has never heard of Alpha Omega station.

The FSB source, for his part, says the money Wanta got was part of a larger pool but that Wanta did not have the codes necessary to use it. We are not sure exactly what to make of this information other than to say that it fits in well with bits and pieces of related intelligence gathered in the past (such as unsolved incidents involving murdered Russians and empty safes rumored at the time to be related to the fall of the Soviet Union).

The Russian source also promised to provide codes to the Bank of Japan to prove his authenticity. This has yet to happen, however, but it may soon.

Meanwhile, Bank of Japan Governor and Senior BIS member Masaaki Shirakawa had the following to say about the negotiations towards a new Financial System: “We are in a constant process of finding a new model,” and that “we are seriously discussing how monetary policy is conducted…it is something we are working on.” Shirakawa also said the gold backed system used up until the 1930’s failed because “it was not flexible enough.” Shirakawa was speaking at the Foreign Correspondents Club of Japan.

The Chinese sources introduced by the Yakuza, for their part, said they expected vast funds to be released world-wide sometime by March. They claimed to represent a senior Southern Chinese power broker and added they dealt directly with Federal Reserve Board Governor Ben Bernanke. The release of the funds would come as soon as the paper work for a new foundation to act as a temporary depository was completed, they said.

These sources also said that it was Chinese custom for all Politburo members to take a piece of any business they gave the green light to and that they were immune to blackmail about this because it was part of the system they use.

The leftist Japanese source connected to senior state Shinto hierarchy for his part, said Hu Jintao had created a fake past for himself and that in reality he was a Japanese agent and he was being blackmailed about this. This dovetails with an earlier claim by a source linked to Rupert Murdoch that Hu was linked to the Japanese Sokka Gakkai Buddhist sect.

The sudden approach of new sources bad-mouthing Hu, however, raises my suspicions because as a general rule when new sources pop up and actively feed a journalist with “explosive” information, they usually have a hidden agenda. In any case, this is an internal Chinese matter they will deal with.

Things are definitely coming to a head soon. www.benjaminfulford.net (http://www.benjaminfulford.net/)

majapahit
11th February 2011, 17:23
Technically, there is no need for any backing, gold or otheriwse, to run - even - the present - international - money system.

Gold backing is wanted by those involved in the pissing contest of imposing 'one's will' by means of military, these days, cloak & dagger, might.

MKUltra, sex scandals, luciferians, sodomites, raping and slaughtering of children, and an intelligence apparatus that keeps track of all this, is the modus operandi for the present day money system.

It's all hogwash.

Parliament raises, creates and backs moneys for all purposes.

Infrastructure, backing of trade, backing of investments, backing of pension schemes, education & health programs, and will have a treasury department tracking who got what and who owes what to whom.

It's really simple, if you unwrap your mind around it.

One needs to be educated on some macro economics, the history of monetary policy and be of sound mind and spirit (if you're suffering of missing time, do not apply), like a typical classic republican.
Democracy has the bad odor of populism in my nomenclature, though sex crazed sodomite US republicans are a couple of grades below that of course.

Then again, this simple trick is waisted on fools and idiots, i'm afraid, mt :wave:

Etherios
11th February 2011, 17:51
So the hole report was bogus? nothing came true not even hints?

majapahit
11th February 2011, 19:38
So the hole report was bogus? nothing came true not even hints?not sure who you're replying to but ..

Fulford is somewhat of a Japan/China 'watcher' as they used to call commentators on Russia, 'Kremlin watchers', who had to analyse political developments by who is who on a picture, who was standing where and who was missing, hence 'watching'.

Fulford started out by stating he informed Japanese Dragons what was the game with USA/Illuminati instigated genocide on 'asians'.

That pissed these asian contacts off, and now Fulford is 'protected' and can do Japan/China 'watching' without being killed. He is also 'informed' snippets on 'what is going on' behind the scenes in Japan/the Emperor house/China by 'people with information'.

The picture is changing rapidly and continuously thought.

'China' is infiltrated by 'traitors', Japan ditto.

And Fulford is witnessing to the unraveling of this money power monopoly game.

And everyday people get killed, moneys stolen, people blackmailed, traitors found, and the 'invisible' Illuminati seem to play there game everywhere and are still on the ball.

That's what Fulford is also finding out.
He's also been manipulated by insiders, and everybody having his/her own aganda, in this new game akin 'surviving armageddon'.

Hence the confusion.

Hint:
if China executes Maurice Strong,
who is in there mids for a couple of decades now, as representative of the Illuminati, and who 'helped' dozens of Commie children to get an 'education' at Harvard .. concerning 'modern financing & capitalism'

that's when you know China(/Japan) is 'trustworthy'

up till then..
it's all smoke and mirrors,
believe it when they die, :alien:, mt

Etherios
11th February 2011, 22:07
well majapahit FUlford had some kind of deadline posted but nothing is being reported about that thats what i am asking.

shybastid
11th February 2011, 23:15
I JUST watched Joe Biden "challenge" the Iranian people to rise up and get free on T.V..
48hours before their "Day of Rage" in Iran on Monday.

WTF???

Chaos in the Middle East while IMF is looking at new currency...
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/10/markets/dollar/index.htm

I guess I'm not surprised... just disappointed how transparent this bullcrap is.

Here we go...... We WERE warned long enough.

majapahit
12th February 2011, 00:44
well majapahit FUlford had some kind of deadline posted but nothing is being reported about that thats what i am asking.all the deadlines I have seen mentioned on the internet (including Fulford's) .. all missed, passed

disappointing indeed

I do see though, somewhat of a picture painting itself of why this is happening ..

Illuminati (or whatever you want to call these assholes) control is simply everywhere ..
and way higher up and way more complicated than anyone (and mr Fulford) can perceive by naked eye, experience or hearsay

Around 1960 there is this testimony of a doctor saying 'everything is in place .. we cannot loose .. we will take over'

and that is what you see happening

parallel with all kinds of disclosures of what the real - financial - world is about,
parallel to the world of the superbowl zombies
there is what is called the 'synarchy', the world of secret societies, pressure groups, power mongers, platoons of MKUltra's, expensive scientist working on Mars, plenty of satanist, their luciferian doctrine

add to this 'ET's and greys fabricated by the US Army'
and the plot is way thicker than 'grounded' people can imagine
(& gives some credibility to 'channelers', 'all is love' and 'jesus will save you' people)

in a historical context, as learned to everybody in school .. there is no reason to this mayhem (in sociology one would refer to this as 'arbitrage' or 'arbitrary' versus the 'multitudes')

'reasonably', the Illuminati can, or rather would, win
and your ass be fried

only intervention 'by History itself'
(this designated by some, the will of god, or the unfolding of creation)
will get us on another 'timeline'

focus on 'another timeline' that such will happen
do not 'hope' (the illuminati way of deceiving americans), .. focus

ignore all deadlines, it's way more complicated,
and there's also that statement; 'if they are on to us, we change the plan'

and that's what they are doing, mt :cool:

Myatding
12th February 2011, 03:59
I do find it interesting that when not everything of someone's prediction comes to pass they are seen to be bogus from then on. It does seem to me like there are some serious power plays under way. Some of the reports that come out from mainstream and alternative media collaborate, but it is so busy (like this forum at the moment) that the masses tune out and miss important things. If I was trying to hide something I can see just saying it in the open and then watch everyone get into a big flame war about whether it was true, a distraction or whatever.

Here's another interesting recording that some here may have an interest in. I do not (I repeat: I do not) know whether this information is valid or not. I have not worked out how to download this, yet. If I do I will upload it to a permanent link for research. Right now you can get access to it for free by simply creating an account on this website:

http://www.thebhgroup.org

This group is promoting Zango as a network marketing opportunity, but they have an interest in the Iraqi Dinar as well. It's lumped together. I have found the weekly conference calls interesting, and keep looking for more verifications or debunking. It seems like some here would have more knowledge about these things than the average bear.

The recording itself is under the Iraqi Dinar tab and then the Weekly Conference Call subheading.

It's here, but the link gets parsed:
http://www.thebhgroup.org/dinar/weekly-call.html

I do appreciate the discussion here as I have been working to understand some of these interconnections for some months and appreciate others giving thoughts on this. I also appreciate people not giving too many uninformed opinions to have to wade through. Saying what you don't really know about becomes more static that people have to wade through. Just something to consider. The Charles sections of the forums are rife with static making it virtually impossible to keep up with posts with actual substance.

My two cents....

Icecold
12th February 2011, 05:50
Because none of these thoughts address the problem of a vastly over populated world.
"Mega city mentality". The thought remains utopian in context and needs a wider perspective.

Whatever financial machinations occur. It will be a "shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic scenario."

http://math.berkeley.edu/~galen/popclk.html

Keep your thoughts flowing.

Cheers.

majapahit
12th February 2011, 06:09
This group is promoting Zango (it's Xango) as a network marketing opportunityit's 'wellness' products placed in network marketing .. that's desperate in my book

The recording itself is under the Iraqi Dinar tab and then the Weekly Conference Call subheading.http://www.thebhgroup.org/dinar/weekly-call.html"we brought democracy to Iraq" "Iraq is going to a market based economy"?
These are ex US military now into 'wellness' products & Dinar speculation? .. that's either desperate or a band of thieves (and probably both).

Network Marketing is a pyramid game and only benefits the sharks at the start of a chain.

Dinar speculation is just that .. speculation on a scheme promoted by money (& oil) interests .. just like Wallstreet, only 'insiders' will benefit .. and a couple of stupidly lucky .. everyone else loses .. bigtime (like in: f.i. pension funds that are near broke, enticed or pressured to invest in Dinars, to make sure that will finish of the dinosaurs)

The Charles sections of the forums are rife with static making it virtually impossible to keep up with posts with actual substance.indeed, mt :yo:

N.B. it's unclear if one can profit from either mentioned network marketing or dinar speculation. What is clear, i would suggest, is that these kinds of people are people avelonians dont want to do business with.

mondaze
12th February 2011, 07:35
for what its worth i have been given indonesia as the key revolution. this will be the eyes wide open situation.

Care to share anything more on this, mondaze?

i cant say much more otho, basically because it came without details. I can say that Indonesian forces have shown ruthless quiet efficiency at dispatching revolutionary forces in the past, so thinking about it logically, if this coming revolution is similarly dispatched in the glare of the media, it could lead to a tiannamen sq. type situation which will allow white hats to expose who is behind the so-called uprisings? this is conjecture though.

Northern Boy
12th February 2011, 07:38
Yes Ben Fulford its nice to view his blog at least one can get a huge laugh out of what he says

Myatding
12th February 2011, 07:43
N.B. it's unclear if one can profit from either mentioned network marketing or dinar speculation. What is clear, i would suggest, is that these kinds of people are people avelonians dont want to do business with.

I share some of your thoughts majapahit (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?2068-majapahit), I wonder about the "Avelonians" comment here and elsewhere that I've seen it. There's nothing about this group to say that we are all a group, and yet many seem to want to belong to something. I can relate, as I've been there in the past, but it's weird for me to come here with a genuine question looking for someone who actually has more information about the information shared. Your comments seem inteligent excepting for the final: "We don't associate with people like that" comment. Do you know what I mean?

Text isn't a good way to convey tone and emotion, so I will say that I am saying this in a genuinely thought provoking way. Like, let's be mindful not to have to be a 'we' when actually there is a massive range of ideas what would be the best outcome for the world peoples. Icecold, you made a comment that assumes that the only way forward is with fewer people on the planet. Maybe you are right, but do you want to give up your children for that cause? Your partner? And is it possible that we have a chance to develop the spacecraft that could allow us to migrate?

I'm not a fan of sending a warring group of people into space to cause more of the battles that we see embraced here in the love and light forums (here I am being flippant, but not really that unreasonable to say, is it?), but I hold on to a hope that we really could do what Bill Ryan said at the beginning of his initial interview with 'Charles'. What if we really could clean up this place and work out how to feed everyone, etc, etc??? I just know in my being that it is possible. Whether we do it or not is another matter.

It may well be that the ex military guys in the teleconference sited above are missing a lot of the pieces of the puzzle.

Which is, again, why I wanted others more in the know to let me (and therefore others here who also want to know more about this) know what they can see.

I appreciate the comments as a matter of conversation, but I'm really hoping for someone who knows actual information to pipe in. Initially I asked Charles for some feedback to see if there was any legitimacy to the connections that I made, but alas he has either chosen not to reply or has been far too busy keeping up with all of the 'Charles' threads.

Pardon me for the extra post, but I do want to people know where I am coming from with these questions and tidbits that I am living with.

Cheers,
Mark

kevlor
12th February 2011, 09:07
MYATDING, i was exposed to iraq dinar, and the current speculation of its pending revaluation via kerry cassidys camelot forum (yes avalonions i am still haveing two bob each way). by reading all the info at that site, i was able to come across the following webb address

http://thegetteam.com/Forum.php

this is a group of like minded people who are hopeing to profit from the dinar revaluation. i joined the free group and then had access to a two houre mp3 recording, (this was mentioned somewhere above).

the point i am trying to make here is - this mp3 interview connected a lot of dots of current events, and i feel i have gained tremendously from it.

if you havent yet listened to this two hour interview, i would suggest you do, then, as usual, form you own opinion. regards ... kev

majapahit
12th February 2011, 14:42
N.B. it's unclear if one can profit from either mentioned network marketing or dinar speculation. What is clear, i would suggest, is that these kinds of people are people avelonians dont want to do business with.wonder about the "Avelonians" .. There's nothing about this group to say that we are all a group
I meant this in a broader sense. "Avalonian" I used because, indeed, it's quite often used on this forum here, and rather a simplification.
'Anti-illuminati faction' is perhaps the better wording I am appealing to (I'm not a native english speaker .. ).

.. when actually there is a massive range of ideas what would be the best outcome for the world peoples.
problem with the - supposed - 'dinar' issue ..
it's speculation in the most blatant sense.
Worried about gains or losses on you savings?
Let's speculate on the fortunes or misfortunes of a people half a world away, who might be re-arranging their money system on a reality of a heap of rubble?
Based on hearsay concerning a monetary system that is 100% dominated and rigged by the big boys of banking?

Catherine Austin Fitts of Solari investments (though I do not agree with her on a certain level) at least points to the direction 'new & enlightened' fund management should be implemented.
Local, local, local.


.. assumes that the only way forward is with fewer people on the planet. Maybe you are right, but do you want to give up your children for that cause?
this is what Illuminati think and want

It's not how much anything should be reduced ..
it's about who will live at the other end of the equation.
You or 'them'.

The memo is: 'enslave them, then kill them', might I remind you.

.. really hoping for someone who knows actual information to pipe inlike Charles mentioned about his 'boss',
'he's keeping his cards real close'.
This game is a war game now.
Who will survive, who will perish.

The other 'option', a 'hope' to 'go to the stars', and is an option, i would suggest, either for losers, greys or Bodhisattva's.

Are you a Bodhisattva? (and prove this (to yourself?) by levitating, now) :yo: , mt

Calz
12th February 2011, 23:54
China and IMF talk dumping dollar in seperate links:

http://www.cnbc.com//id/41523008

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/10/markets/dollar/index.htm?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+%28Top +Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

majapahit
13th February 2011, 00:31
China and IMF talk dumping dollar in seperate links:
http://www.cnbc.com//id/41523008
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/10/markets/dollar/index.htm?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+%28Top +Stories%29&utm_content=Google+ReaderThat the dollar is exit the world's reserve currency is inevitable.

European Illuminati have been complaining concerning the 'american thieves' for decades now.

They need the money themselves for the coverup of raping children and human sacrifices, snuff films and drug running 'expenses'. :heh:

Obviously the RMB is going to have influence in the drawing rights, but thinks dont add up versus the hupla thats made of this.

Never mind the technicalities of any 'new and improved' monetary system.
It will be about who will be taken down.
It will be the casualties that will make the difference.
And who will be their successors.

And I dont see anything happening yet.
Which means there are no points won.
There are no points to be won nearer the horizon either. Zero.

Myatding
16th February 2011, 22:48
The memo is: 'enslave them, then kill them', might I remind you.

.. really hoping for someone who knows actual information to pipe inlike Charles mentioned about his 'boss',
'he's keeping his cards real close'.
This game is a war game now.
Who will survive, who will perish.

The other 'option', a 'hope' to 'go to the stars', and is an option, i would suggest, either for losers, greys or Bodhisattva's.

Are you a Bodhisattva? (and prove this (to yourself?) by levitating, now) :yo: , mt

I have no reason to believe that I am a grey. I do feel like a loser at times. And yet I do have a swivel chair that, when operated in the right way with me spinning while drinking strong coffee, creates a Nazi Bell type vortex that has the potential to levitate, so perhaps I am a Bodhisattva??

Thanks for the interesting reading. I did get a laugh, which is nice.

Thanks to those who've shared links of interest.

Chuck
17th February 2011, 03:49
There seems to be some corroborating evidence for Charles from Benjamin Fulford. Fulford describes a series of meeting between the 12 illuminati bloodlines, ancient Gnostic group (perhaps St Germain), black nobility and the White Dragon society.


From Fulford Feb 14, 2011:
Individuals claiming to represent the 12 illuminati bloodlines have contacted the White Dragon Society last week in an effort to come up with a peaceful solution to the ongoing deadlock at the top of the global financial system. So did a representative of the ancient Gnostics -claiming his group was behind the French, Russian and American revolutions- who said no compromise can be reached until bloodline rule is ended.

Meanwhile, several members of the Italian Black Nobility also came forth to say their plans to kill 4 billion people will not be stopped because “it is part of Biblical prophecy.” The claims by these and other groups during the past week make only one thing abundantly clear: there is chaos at the very top of the Western financial system. High level Chinese contacts, for their part, say the new Chinese regime will work with the White Dragons.

This all happening a couple weeks ago when Charles apparently was on stand by for China.

The above echoes Charles claim that the 33 is fractured and his master is going it alone. Some of the 33 want a culling, some are financially armed for drastic changes. His master wants to clean up the whole situation.


no compromise can be reached until bloodline rule is ended.

Charles claims that one type of weapon we may use is a financial one. Is this a hint at St. Germain’s world prosperity funds that have been circulating the internet for the past 20 years? I don’t know. Names like Nesara and Casper and Sheldan Nidle are landscapes wrought with land mines. However, distributing a mountain of wealth to tens of thousands of little people and have those little people turn against the system could bring a new order… after the chaos… something for the machine to model. Or perhaps a group of those little people… say 18 of them … get organized. :)

Is the chaos at the top of the financial food chain and subsequent stalemate as described by Fulford, one of the reasons why Charles is delaying any type of satisfying disclosure? Certainly seems as though the brakes have been applied… after so much promise.

In any event, I remain hopeful for meaningful change. Because if nothing does, ET false flag, NWO, microchips, etc, etc ...are inevitable. Something tells me that this NWO timeline is one that we have experienced before. ugh!

Time for a change! ...G'head Chals ... just do it.

Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku
18th February 2011, 04:37
Just finished listening to myatding's mp3. Very interesting. Anyone figure out where it came from? Only clue to the guest speaker is that he is named as "Contact Two". One thing I found interesting is his take on 9/11 and the "Home Run" software, very similar to "Henry Deacon"'s story in Bill Ryan's Freedom Central interview.

If this is the same audio with the guy talking about doing his military service in Germany, then his name is Terry Kay or K, you hear that in the last 10 minutes of the audio.

So for fun I dug a little deeper.

The gentlemen (I use the word loosely) conducting the interview is named Rob A.K.A. "Grumpy" he can be found dispensing his perils of wisdom here:

http://www.dinardiscussions.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=941#axzz1EHGQsm5K

I don't want to post his last name as who knows what this guys all about and what he's capable of but if you have interest you can poke around, its out there and not to far from the link provided (hint hint).

His partner in crime is TerryK. Actually written "TerryK". From what I can tell he has been predicting the Iraqi Dinar Revaluation as far back as early 2010. Possibly earlier...lol. On almost every occasion which seems to be up to 3 or 4 times a month he lets everyone know his sources at this and that bank somewhere in a far off land has told him the RV will be happening early the following week. Each and every time he has been wrong. One day TerryK will be right. Sadly even with a nickel RV TerryK will land himself a job on Fox News Mad Money Talk or whatever those shows are called. There is a whole host of examples of his fine predictions going down the toilet.

Now with that said I will now admit my ("possible but hopefully not") foolishness. I recently bought IQD. I bought a very small amount. The current exchange rate through the only known avenues is double of what is it's posted worth. ie Xe Currency Converter has 1 Canadian Dollar being worth 1,197 IQD. So $180 Canadian Dollars should amount to 215,414.71 IQD. The fine folks helping you out (I say that with the deepest amount of sarcasm I can dish out without really letting you know whats on my mind) are willing to give you in exchange for your $180 CAD a wonderful total of 100,000 IQD. Now, (light bulb moment) I think I understand Mr. Grumpy, TerryK, The Get Team & Contact2" much better. "Old Grumpy" & TerryK both have and are involved with numerous websites relating to the IQD. And get this......they all have numerous links to various currency exchange sites who profit very very well (as described above). I am curious to know their cut for each stray using the link. What makes this all possibly work even better is, they are under the guise of the lord almighty.

I still wonder who Contact2 is ??? My guess is he's got a great website peddling IQD and watches a whole lot of T.V.

I am not regretful. I guess this is part of the learning process. I hope I'm wrong about the IQD. I'm sure Im not.

Darla Ken Pearce
18th February 2011, 04:51
Yes, all of this is true even your speculations! Recently, another insider in government answered questions in a audio conference online. I will look for the link, if it's okay to post it here. I am a newbie. He says that the Chinese have the best intentions are are so close to distributing these settlement funds, it can happen, at any moment. The old Bush Cartel, including Hillary Clinton, et al, is holding it back at the moment. One thing that I was surprised to hear and don't have a real appreciation for was he says, the Dinar was a very big deal and it is to be another standard along with new dollars here and that the whole world would need Dinars to pay for any oil products through a new organization of something like OPEC. Unless someone objects, I can look again for this link to his Q & A conference ~ it's more like a dialog but interesting ~ indeed~ as he covers everything that has gone wrong since WW II ~ and the motive behind 911 involving Bush Seniors theft of 43 Trillion in Gold belonging to the Chinese loaned to the U.S. shortly after WW II and so on into matters you are asking about here ; ) xoxox

Peta Babkama Luruba Anaku
18th February 2011, 04:58
Yes, all of this is true even your speculations! Recently, another insider in government answered questions in a audio conference online. I will look for the link, if it's okay to post it here. I am a newbie. He says that the Chinese have the best intentions are are so close to distributing these settlement funds, it can happen, at any moment. The old Bush Cartel, including Hillary Clinton, et al, is holding it back at the moment. One thing that I was surprised to hear and don't have a real appreciation for was he says, the Dinar was a very big deal and it is to be another standard along with new dollars here and that the whole world would need Dinars to pay for any oil products through a new organization of something like OPEC. Unless someone objects, I can look again for this link to his Q & A conference ~ it's more like a dialog but interesting ~ indeed~ as he covers everything that has gone wrong since WW II ~ and the motive behind 911 involving Bush Seniors theft of 43 Trillion in Gold belonging to the Chinese loaned to the U.S. shortly after WW II and so on into matters you are asking about here ; ) xoxox

It would be highly appreciated and I am sure its fine. The mods here are great. If anything is wrong they will gently ask you to remove it. I don't think this will be the case as it pertains to the thread.

Paul
18th February 2011, 05:05
The mods here are great.
Well, we miss some stuff.

But we usually at least catch the kind words ;). Thanks.

Lord Sidious
18th February 2011, 07:06
Just finished listening to myatding's mp3. Very interesting. Anyone figure out where it came from? Only clue to the guest speaker is that he is named as "Contact Two". One thing I found interesting is his take on 9/11 and the "Home Run" software, very similar to "Henry Deacon"'s story in Bill Ryan's Freedom Central interview.

If this is the same audio with the guy talking about doing his military service in Germany, then his name is Terry Kay or K, you hear that in the last 10 minutes of the audio.

So for fun I dug a little deeper.

The gentlemen (I use the word loosely) conducting the interview is named Rob A.K.A. "Grumpy" he can be found dispensing his perils of wisdom here:

http://www.dinardiscussions.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=941#axzz1EHGQsm5K

I don't want to post his last name as who knows what this guys all about and what he's capable of but if you have interest you can poke around, its out there and not to far from the link provided (hint hint).

His partner in crime is TerryK. Actually written "TerryK". From what I can tell he has been predicting the Iraqi Dinar Revaluation as far back as early 2010. Possibly earlier...lol. On almost every occasion which seems to be up to 3 or 4 times a month he lets everyone know his sources at this and that bank somewhere in a far off land has told him the RV will be happening early the following week. Each and every time he has been wrong. One day TerryK will be right. Sadly even with a nickel RV TerryK will land himself a job on Fox News Mad Money Talk or whatever those shows are called. There is a whole host of examples of his fine predictions going down the toilet.

Now with that said I will now admit my ("possible but hopefully not") foolishness. I recently bought IQD. I bought a very small amount. The current exchange rate through the only known avenues is double of what is it's posted worth. ie Xe Currency Converter has 1 Canadian Dollar being worth 1,197 IQD. So $180 Canadian Dollars should amount to 215,414.71 IQD. The fine folks helping you out (I say that with the deepest amount of sarcasm I can dish out without really letting you know whats on my mind) are willing to give you in exchange for your $180 CAD a wonderful total of 100,000 IQD. Now, (light bulb moment) I think I understand Mr. Grumpy, TerryK, The Get Team & Contact2" much better. "Old Grumpy" & TerryK both have and are involved with numerous websites relating to the IQD. And get this......they all have numerous links to various currency exchange sites who profit very very well (as described above). I am curious to know their cut for each stray using the link. What makes this all possibly work even better is, they are under the guise of the lord almighty.

I still wonder who Contact2 is ??? My guess is he's got a great website peddling IQD and watches a whole lot of T.V.

I am not regretful. I guess this is part of the learning process. I hope I'm wrong about the IQD. I'm sure Im not.

I would suspect that TerryK is not just wrong on this topic.
As I posted, I listened to it and he was really stretching through the whole audio.
Take this info on board at your own peril.

alrik35
18th February 2011, 13:08
sorry but my head is cracking in this issue...:) too much complications worldwide...stupid money system...is killling US

Il wait for the clou :)

majapahit
18th February 2011, 17:31
sorry but my head is cracking in this issue...:) too much complications worldwide...stupid money system...is killling US
It's so complicated by design

so much so ..
that trying to fix it is just a way of providing a massive hideout for crooks and pedophiles.

Il wait for the clou :)
The clou is this
Get rid of this money system .. and all involved
Setting up a 'new' system is way easier .. no pedophiles need apply

Dakota (S? N?) seems to have the proper system .. all state revenues and expenditures through their own state owned bank ..

fixed

(and if you f**k this up still, at least it's your own bloody fault):bounce:

Circe
22nd February 2011, 15:48
Here is Benjamin Fulford's latest newsletter/post, some interesting stuff about the Dalai Lama and plans to induce massive global starvation this spring and summer.


Weekly Geopolitical News and A Illuminati desperation grows as final takedown approaches
Posted by benjamin

February 21, 2011

More and more people are popping out of the woodwork these days offering startling new revelations about the crime family that runs the Federal Reserve Board. Here are just a few of their crimes: the creation of the Red Brigades and Baader Meinhof Group to assassinate politicians like Italy’s Aldo Moro, the use of falsified international treaties to seize control of global finance, the replacement of the real Dalai Lama with a stooge and plans to induce massive global starvation this spring and summer.

The reason more people are willing to come forth and testify is that they finally see the Illuminati, or gang (committee) of 300, Khazarian Satanists or whatever label you choose to use for them, as headed for a final takedown. Perhaps that explains the latest rash of attempts to bribe members of the White Dragon Society, including this writer.

The Satan worshipping owners of the Federal Reserve Board, however, are extremely fanatical about their religion and many continue to believe their plans are pre-ordained and unstoppable. Their campaign to overthrow governments world-wide, starting in the Middle-East is part of a plan to vastly hike oil and food prices in an effort to engineer famine and war by late spring or summer.

Here is some of what self-described Olympians (David Rockefeller has referred to himself as “Zeus” in the past) or committee of 300 members including Joseph Rattinger, John McClay, Fred Potter and Alexander King, among of others, have to say about their activities:

“When Queen Elizabeth II was enthroned, the ceremony was presided over by a committee of 300 (hereafter “member.”) leader.”
“We do not believe in God and worship Lucifer.”
“Whenever a US President speaks a member can be seen in the background.”
“The Club of Rome works for us.”
“We want a small and better world without useless eaters.”
“Industrial progress leads to population growth so we are dedicated to the destruction of the industrial state.”
“We remove any leader who, like Kennedy, stands in our way.”
“We were formed by an alliance between the Anglo Financiers and the Black Nobility of London, Venice and Genoa.”
“We have a chapter in Washington.”
“Interpol, Mossad and the FSB all work for David Rockefeller.”
“Henry (Heinz) Kissinger is one of our most important agents; he belongs to the Grand Alpine Lodge in Switzerland that controls the Italian P2 lodge.”
In a typical move by committee monster Kissinger he told Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto “We will make a horrible example of you if you continue with your nation building.” Bhutto was later judicially assassinated by committee member General Zia-ul-Hak. The same people killed his daughter Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

Prime Minister Aldo Moro was killed on the orders of committee member Bettino Craxi, who created the Red Brigades in order to have an enemy required to justify fascism.

This information was given to the White Dragon by committee members who thought it would convince us they were invincible and that attempts to bring them to justice would fail. They say their members hide in public places like 10 Downing St., Congress and the White House.

The US House of Representatives Sub-Committee on Energy is one of their main strongholds in Washington.
Meanwhile a Japanese agent who has sub-contracted for David Rockefeller and the committee had his own startling revelations.

According to this agent, the Dalai Lama was replaced as a young child with a committee selected candidate. He says the Tibetans of the Dalai’s clan, together with members of the Tibetan Royal family were trying to remove this impostor in order to liberate world Buddhist organizations from committee control.

The head of Japan’s largest Buddhist Lay organization, Son Tae Chuck (Japanese name Daisaku Ikeda) is in a coma and his organization, which controls much of the Japanese police establishment, was also about to be liberated from committee control, he said.

Also, committee agent Dr. Nakamatsu is trying to take over the cult Ko***u no Kagaku (Happy Science). Happy Science funnels money to the advertising giant Dentsu. Dentsu is used by the CIA in Japan as part of their media control grid.

The two top committee agents in Japan now were Nobuo Tanaka from the International Energy Agency:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobuo_Tanaka
and Isao Iijima, arch-traitor Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi’s former secretary. They are in control of distribution of dollars and yen created by the Bank of Japan. Korean pretending to be Japanese Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara is also a Rockefeller flunky, the agent said. These traitors will all be hearing from the White Dragon society soon.

The agent had many more revelations that we will keep from the public record at present in order not to impede ongoing criminal investigations.

We can also now report the White Dragon Society has obtained copies of treaties such as Schweitzer Agreement and other international treaties that prove the so-called owners of the Federal Reserve Board and the US dollar printing machine have been using fraudulently altered versions of these treaties to justify their stranglehold on global financial transactions.

The same scumbags have been trying to take over various Middle-Eastern nations in order to loot their central banks, jack up the price of oil and start World War 3. They will be stopped. If any mass starvation begins, it will signal the start of a total purge of all committee members and their flunkies.

Representatives of a Southern Chinese power broker, who claimed connections with the Federal Reserve Board, also came to offer this writer an astronomical bribe last week. There is an Intaglia printing press in Southern China that prints US dollars and clearly the owners of this printing press wish to maintain their control over this particular dollar printing subsidiary. This can be arranged provided the Southern Chinese faction ceases to cooperate with the Satanist committee and their agents. No bribes, however, will be accepted by the White Dragon.

The White Dragon Societies calls for the creation of a new meritocratically staffed organization to replace the Federal Reserve Board and the IMF to take over the issuance of US dollars. It also wants a global economic planning agency to be set up to carry out projects, such as ending poverty, stopping environmental destruction, greening deserts, exploring space etc.

The Rothchilds and European Royal Bloodlines, for their part, are asking for a sovereign island with two UN seats and unlimited funding in exchange for their cooperation. This is something the White Dragon can live with.


source: http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/

write4change
22nd February 2011, 16:38
I have to admit that it brought me great joy to read that Soka Gokai President Ikeda is now on his last legs. What this man has done to Buddhism should be a crime.

jorr lundstrom
22nd February 2011, 17:14
I love Benjamin when he says: In case of mass starvation we start the payback. LOL

seko
22nd February 2011, 17:39
Every time I read Benjamin's letter or info coming out of his website I tend to believe his info, but at the same time aaarggh I doubt it.
I honestly don't know, anyone here knows him personally or know is he for real??

hardrock
22nd February 2011, 17:51
I think a lot of Ben's info comes from people with agendas that play on a much larger stage than I can comprehend. I still like to read it though.

He once stated there were a lot of dragon society members (I can't remember the #) ready to assassinate people if called upon to do so?

GK76
22nd February 2011, 18:07
Thanks for the info Circe. :)

That's some heavy stuff (as usual). I've been following the progress of Mr Fulford since the PC interview - I just find myself purely watching the proceedings, only with his work do I just sit and absorb the information without evoking critical thought. Perhaps because he is so far into their world (or self contained box if you prefer), even with the revelations of recent years, it's still so 'alien'.

Buchanan561
22nd February 2011, 18:19
I think a lot of Ben's info comes from people with agendas that play on a much larger stage than I can comprehend. I still like to read it though.

He once stated there were a lot of dragon society members (I can't remember the #) ready to assassinate people if called upon to do so?

He explained that just recently during an audio interview with David Wilcock. It is available to download on David's website for free along with the manuscripts of the interview. In the interview he states that the dragon society exists and they are all over the world. Truth? I couldn't say. I just checked and his site Divine Cosmos is still down for upgrades. But..the interview is there as I have it. Emma

Marcelo Mendes
23rd February 2011, 03:21
Every time I read Benjamin's letter or info coming out of his website I tend to believe his info, but at the same time aaarggh I doubt it.
I honestly don't know, anyone here knows him personally or know is he for real??

Hi Seko, hi fellows.

I strong recommend you to go to the project avalon home page and look for the in the link "camelot library" on the left column and then, under search by media at the right side, look for the video Mr Fullford enterviews for project camelot.

Namaste

seko
23rd February 2011, 03:39
Thanks Marcelo,

I have seen P.C.'s interview with Ben Fulford and it sounds very convincing. I want to believe that he is telling the truth, but I've never heard about the White Dragon Societies in any other place, so more proof will be nice.

Cheers

jorr lundstrom
2nd March 2011, 19:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UUzrdARok&feature=player_embedded

firstlook
2nd March 2011, 19:57
Thanks for posting, I'm always intrigued at Benjamin's point of view. At the least its very stimulating.

:)

Circe
2nd March 2011, 20:14
Oh nice one, I'll look forward to listening to this. Cheers mate!

MargueriteBee
2nd March 2011, 21:44
Please provide link

Circe
2nd March 2011, 22:29
Please provide link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UUzrdARok&feature=player_embedded

Maria Stade
2nd March 2011, 22:49
Great Thank you !

Shelltower
2nd March 2011, 22:54
Thanks for this....

Brodie75
2nd March 2011, 23:22
Thanks heaps jorr

loveandgratitude
2nd March 2011, 23:25
Lets all get behind Benjamin and concentrate those thoughts into reality.....
power to manifest.....
.concentrated effort........
the change is about to tip in our direction..........
momentum.....
a few people over this side of the room please

Buchanan561
2nd March 2011, 23:50
Thanks for this. I love Fulford. Emma

transitionalman
3rd March 2011, 02:15
You gotta love his optimism. Mr Fulford is fearless!

loveandgratitude
3rd March 2011, 02:20
HOPE -
Optimism is all we have left. Optimism is hope.
I would love to share with you these beautiful words about HOPE

One wonders why in our recent psychology and psychiatry there cannot be found any serious study or discussion about hope. Hope certainly has a great effect on our emotions, our glands, and our behavior. Hope can change the chemistry of the secretions of the glands and the condition of the blood circulation. It releases energy from certain etheric centers and gives us courage and strength, bringing great changes in our electromagnetic field or aura.

Hope creates a frame of mind in which man searches and strives continuously to find a solution, and because of such a positive tension, his Higher Self responds and brings the needed light

Hope prevents negative thoughtforms from building themselves within your aura. Negative thoughtforms are the cause of many failures. Hope creates a sphere of consciousness in which negative thoughtforms cannot breed. When the consciousness is free from negative thoughtforms, higher impressions can reach it and register themselves upon it.

Most of our failures are the result of defeatist or failure thoughtforms. We not only create them, but we import them from our friends and enemies. Imported and created failure thoughtforms literally eat and destroy any positive or constructive thoughtform. Many people try to be successful; but when success approaches, they give up because the failure thoughtforms reverse the gears on their path.

Hope prevents such an action. It not only nourishes the constructive thoughtforms, but also broadcasts them, thus creating a magnetic atmosphere around you.

Hope continues even if you attain the object you hoped for. Hope leaves you and enters a different dimension and makes you search for it. Thus you are led from one dimension to another because of the hope. that is attainable and because of a hope that is still unattainable.

On the other hand, when you see the evaporation of your hope, hope does not vanish but appears from another comer in another form and encourages you to follow its steps. Thus whether you attain your hope or lose it, it is always in Pandora's jar.

The power of hope is based on the fact that it is not an attribute but rather the feeling of the existence of the True Self, dancing and playing with every object of hope, hiding and reappearing behind every interest to challenge you for your future. Hope is the voice of the future, the thread of the True Self, pulling up His reflection which is wandering in the lower worlds. This is the reason why hope is always there whether it is met or it is lost A person, a group, or a nation advances by hope. Hope creates a proper atmosphere in which growth and development become possible.

There are three kinds of influential people:

1. The fIrst kind are those who speak about doom, about final destruction, about annihilation; who pump fear into the hearts of people, using fear to control or exploit them. These people can be found everywhere, talking about the shifting of the axis of the Earth, about floods and earthquakes, and about the numerous diseases which are supposedly going to engulf humanity. Some of these people are false prophets. Some of them are pessimists. Some of them have hidden interests behind their words. They spread poison, and this poison affects your nervous system and your heart and breaks off the wings of your soul.

2. The second kind of people are those who are very rosy and goody-goody. Everything is beautiful and just right for them. They are satisfied with life. No matter what happens, they feel safe, content, and happy; and they sleep under the blanket of their goodiness until the flood comes and dumps them into the ocean. One of my Teachers used to say that such people enter hell in their sleep. Such people allow evil to spread roots and branch out in such an immensity that people of goodwill find themselves incapable of fighting against it and stopping its growth. Because of their goodiness, they indirectly encourage those kinds of activities which eventually lead people into destruction. Such people are not only optimistic fools, but also cowards, who hide behind their selfish interests and let evil grow around them.

3. The third kind of people are those who see the danger, the corruption, the pollution, and the evil of totalitarianism and take conscious action to prevent its expansion, without pessimism but with inflamed optimism. They see the situation clearly. They see the difficulties and obstacles on the path. They see the growing power of evil; but they never lose their hope of victory over evil. They have the experience that the opportunity of progress comes when there are crises and obstacles, against which man walks with hope and determination to win the victory. This third kind of people belongs to the race of heroes. They know that in unexpected hours the help reaches them and that on the edge of the abyss the hand touches them. They feel that all events going on upon Earth are watched by Higher Forces. They know that there exist higher resources of energy which, in unexpected times, come to the rescue.

The substance of hope makes such rescue-work possible. Hope provides the right atmosphere through which the~ fIres of Space reach us. It is not pessimism or sickening optimism that provides such a channel, but real hope - which is the foundation of true optimism.

Unfortunately, our daily newspapers and radio and television programs perpetuate the pessimistic spirit and day and night nourish it with their gloomy news and with movies of violence and destruction. After reading your morning paper and listening to the news on your television, you fill yourself with the spirit of pessimism and negativity; you lose your hope for life; and all day your body produces poison or imperil. Once you poison yourself, your handshake becomes poisonous; your smell becomes poisonous. To whatever you touch, you impart poison. You carry poison into your office, workshop, and home. Day after day you increase your poison, and eventually you defeat yourself with your pessimism.

Those people who change crises into a process of purifIcation and opportunities for transformation, victory, and achievement are called "the hopes" of the nation and the world, who stand in front of humanity as paths leading toward greater achievements, new courage, daring, and striving. In reading and hearing about such people, we are filled with new hope and we think, "If they achieved, if they conquered in those difficult conditions, we, too, can achieve and conquer." Thus we become a source of hope for ourselves and for others.

When darkness descends on our path; when we are lost in the dark nights of our lives; when we feel that all is lost in the chaos; we still see a distant light, the light of hope - which shines and inspires us to forge ahead and achieve victory. That distant light is our Inner Guide, Who passed many dark nights and Who knows that each one of us must fight for his own victory.

Hope is a subconscious and superconscious confidence that all possibilities exist. While your concrete mind gives up, your subjective mind still searches for a solution or an answer. Such a labor is called hoping for. I imagine the act of hoping as a torch carried in your right hand in darkness through intriguing caves, to find the passage leading to the sunlight.
Challenge for Discipleship, pp. 488-490

The psychological and physiological effects of hope are:

balance of mind
stability in confusing conditions
control over negative elements within us and around us
aspiration
joy
physical strength
better circulation of the blood
courage and daring
regulation of the glands and the functions
of the organs
healing
inspiration

Hope creates spiritual magnetism, which draws inspiration or clear direction from Higher Sources. Hope keeps the vision of achievement in our hearts in spite of all conditions and thus keeps alive our aspiration toward the vision. Our hope can have a very positive effect on people who are hindering our success. It melts away their negative ~ttitudes and creates an urge in them to open our way and,. help our efforts to fulfill our destiny. For example, if I hope that I will be able to cooperate with a certain person, I naturally send him thoughts of cooperation. Those thoughts gradually weaken his negative attitude toward me, and he eventually cooperates with me. Hope reaches his soul, and his soul washes away personality antagonism.

Hope is psychic energy. It uses thought constructively. Hopeless thoughts never reach their destination. Hope changes the currents of energy from destructive toward constructive ends. Hope gives the possibility to Higher Forces to reach you, to impress you, and to guide you. Hopelessness is like living under a thick fog: the rescuers cannot see you from the mountaintop. Hope gives a signal to Higher Forces to reach you and strengthen you.

When you are full of hope, you combat against all ugly and defeatist thoughtforms sent by dark forces and by failed friends or enemies. These thoughtforms cannot penetrate and control your thinking as long as your hope is alive. Once a few thieves were planning to rob a house. After they had climbed the fence and gotten into the yard, one said, "There is a light on inside. Someone is awake. We can't do it today." And they turned back. Hope is like that light in the house which repels the thieves.

Hope sends signals to friends on Earth and in Higher Worlds to hasten to our rescue. It creates communication lines between people and worlds. Hope strives to the end, and each end turns into a beginning. One day people will see on a screen how hope creates harmonious and colorful brain waves and stabilizes disturbed auras, creating health, happiness, a cooperative spirit, and joy.

Hope inspires people and makes them achieve sometimes impossible victories. Dark forces hate hope, and by all means they try to uproot hope from the hearts of people. When hope is cut off, man turns into a slave of dark forces or the slave of chaos. A hopeless person is like a trapped animal in the hands of his physical, emotional, and mental enemies.

Hope turns into a destructive tension when freedom is taken away. Hopeless people serve the forces of destruction. Try to see positive elements in any person or event. Know that often negative elements are servants to positive elements. One type of people says, "This event is absolute "evil and extremely bad." Others'say, "Oh, that is nothing. It didn't bring harm to me. It happened many times, and it may happen again." The third type of people say, "Well, the causes of this event are as follows . . . and we can eliminate such events by taking the following steps. . .

In the fIrst case, people are caught in the arms of the octopus of the bad event. They are frozen and motionless, and they conclude that it is the end of the world. In the second case, people are indifferent to the suffering, loss, and aftershocks; and they are content because they think that the event had no effect on them. In the third case, people realize the seriousness of the event, but they can see a way out of it. They try to think how similar events can be prevented and how such events can be utilized to bring out a new way for which the world was searching and put it into action for the benefit of people.

Hope is not an emotional attitude, but a clear mental and intuitive insight, charged with courage and determination to achieve. Every time we read our newspapers we say, "That is it. The end is not far away." This is how we slide downhill and lose our hope.

Every event is the result of certain causes. It is possible to initiate new causes to change the causes of future events. Sometimes the accumulated causes must manifest, to clear the sky for a new sunshine. The evolution of the planet cannot be stopped by the conflict between the fleas living on its skin. It is possible that a worldwide catastrophe may take place, but it will not be the end. Maybe it will be a new beginning. Maybe the consciousness of man will expand enough to totally change his instinct to fight and his glamor of separatism and seJf-interest. Great truths often reveal themselves in great shocks.

Hope will never leave us. It remained in the bottom of Pandora's jar. It is the foundation on which we build our lives.

Once a psychiatrist came and said to me, "I am really tired. I cannot face the condition on Earth. I see global destruction. I don't want to live any more."

I said, "I see the condition exactly as you see it, but I see something deeper."

"What is it?"

"In such a condition, we could continue poisoning and killing all planetary life, but because of this condition we can now see how and why we created it and how we can change it.One who escapes meeting the challenge is less courageous and less intelligent than one who does not give up and fights to the end. You may choose one of these paths. Have hope. In the darkest hours of our life, doors will be opened and humanity will enter a new life. Such doors exist for those who do not give up hope."

Torkom Saraydarian

KosmicKat
3rd March 2011, 03:10
Some of what he says, I cannot verify. However, the talk about technological immortality being possible either now, or in the near future has been confirmed to me by someone who (AFAIK) has a solid background in mainstream science.

Gaia
7th March 2011, 11:15
Very interesting stuff !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xOZI-_Gt4LQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DtjJAD7SMyQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xB0YLJrGMh0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DoFZxEnWNdE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=X_pJ7Q1T3sM

Circe
7th March 2011, 16:55
7th March 2011.
The Pentagon running out of oil, the BIS under nuclear blackmail and other signs of severe global turbulence.

There is extreme turbulence in world events as the campaign to oust the rogue cabal in control of the United States enters its final phase. One sign is a cut-off of some oil supplies to the U.S. regime, according to US military intelligence. Another is that Serbian operatives claim to have smuggled a nuclear weapon near BIS headquarters in Switzerland. Yet another is that the one million American Satanists are using earthquake weapon blackmail in an effort to force New Zealand to give them their South Island as a refuge. Meanwhile, promises of imminent mass arrests of cabal members continue to be repeated by high level sources but so far, the Washington D.C. criminal enterprise continues to create global mayhem.

Source: http://benjaminfulford.net/

Thanks for posting the videos Gaia, its very much appreciated.

gardunk
7th March 2011, 17:46
let the reader beware of Fulford, the Dark

grannyfranny100
7th March 2011, 18:06
Gaia

Didn't stay awake long enough to listen to this on the Jeff Rense so I'm glad you posted this. I'm always interested to get Ben's Asian perspective on the world.

Thanks,
Granny Franny

Gaia
7th March 2011, 19:44
Gaia

Didn't stay awake long enough to listen to this on the Jeff Rense so I'm glad you posted this. I'm always interested to get Ben's Asian perspective on the world.

Thanks,
Granny Franny

Mais de rien, le plaisir est aussi pour moi:p

Gaia

Calz
8th March 2011, 12:46
*** DELETED pending copyright clarification ***

jackovesk
9th March 2011, 01:29
Thanks Calz_Avaretard,

I for one read Ben Fulfords updates with discernment due to some inaccuracies in the past.

However, having said that...

It is up to the individual reader to take out the information that Fulford provides as another link to TPTW Satanic Matrix and their Agenda.

In other words it is up to the Researcher to Connect-The-Dots with some of the information he provides.

If you have a membership to Fulfords 'Weekly Geo-Political News and Analysis' please keep us updated.
http://benjaminfulford.net/

Thanks
Jack

crosby
9th March 2011, 01:46
nothing like a good dose of fulford. i enjoy reading his work, however, i too hold out the discernment bar with regards too everything he says. it would be nice if it were all true, but i think some of it is like silly puddy, a little bouncy.......but, he does have some credibility. and in using my better judgment, i connect the dots as well.
thanks for the thread. i hope it gets updated frequently.
warmest regards, corson

norman
9th March 2011, 02:19
He's been too bang on the money to ignore completely but as I read his recent bloggings I'm reminded of the WW2 expat' Lord Haw Haw.

Seems the price of the protection he's been given is getting higher and higher.

Calz
9th March 2011, 02:34
Thanks Calz_Avaretard,

I for one read Ben Fulfords updates with discernment due to some inaccuracies in the past.

However, having said that...

It is up to the individual reader to take out the information that Fulford provides as another link to TPTW Satanic Matrix and their Agenda.

In other words it is up to the Researcher to Connect-The-Dots with some of the information he provides.

If you have a membership to Fulfords 'Weekly Geo-Political News and Analysis' keep us updated.
http://benjaminfulford.net/

Thanks
Jack

Thanks Jack,

Certainly discernment is the "rule of the day" with Fulford.

Disinfo by nature has to have enough "truth" to tantalize. Fulford is so far out there that even if only a few morsels come it still makes for entertaining reading and keeps the mind "stretched" for possibilities.

I don't have a membership but have a friend who does and often passes along the updates. I will be happy to post them if people are interested.

Cal

majapahit
9th March 2011, 02:45
reality is stranger than anyone can dream up ..
we're all discovering that .. don't we

and B Fulford get's his information and snippets of facts from every and any side thinkable
if he's not confused, than his present universe is

thus his somewhat bizar reports

the unfolding of history has a mind of it's own
and is the only mind that counts

I enjoy reading BF's reports .. not for the least .. for it's entertainment value

a 'new' 'new world' 'not' 'order' (as in a double dialectic)
.. is - still - in want of a 'new & improved leader',
.. such is the weakness of humanity's feeble mind

there is no 'new & improved leader' who can cover all basis of a 'new' 'new world order'

thus what will happen ..
will be murder & mahem ..

.. it's inevitable, whatever 'BF' & his 'new & improved power brokers' .. :israel:

want to do about it , my 2cts

Darla Ken Pearce
9th March 2011, 02:56
This is very interesting and if you could share, Cal, anything you receive ~ you've got my vote and request. Thanks! xoxox

DouglasDanger
9th March 2011, 03:21
I dig the fulford, even if all of his info may not be correct, the dude cracks me up, You've got my vote and request too, :nod:

Selene
9th March 2011, 03:27
Hi Calz -

I must caution you that if you are posting Benjamin Fulford's paid subscription newsletter for free reading here, that constitutes a violation of Fulford's copyright and could subject both you and this website to legal action.

I know you mean well, but please don't post paid subscription material - even if you've paid for it - for free viewing by others. This goes way beyond "fair use" which would protect you.

And it's considered a rather tacky thing to do, at any rate.

Ben's interested readers should subscribe and not deprive Benjamin of his rightful income.

Respectfully,

Selene

Buchanan561
9th March 2011, 03:29
yes, please do continue to keep us updated. He may miss the mark but need to remember that what is going on is very volitile and ever changing. No way to predict exactly what is going on no matter how many contacts he has and I do believe he has them. And it will keep on changing but I try to keep informed as to what he is believing at the time. At least he has his finger in the wind and certainly knows more than we do. Thanks for this thread. I copy and paste reports such as this. I think David Wilcock gets a lot of his information from Fulford also. Anyway, whatever the doubts one needs to keep on keeping up with what Fulford has to say. Thanks Emma

Calz
9th March 2011, 03:41
Hi Calz -

I must caution you that if you are posting Benjamin Fulford's paid subscription newsletter for free reading here, that constitutes a violation of Fulford's copyright and could subject both you and this website to legal action.

I know you mean well, but please don't post paid subscription material - even if you've paid for it - for free viewing by others. This goes way beyond "fair use" which would protect you.

And it's considered a rather tacky thing to do, at any rate.

Ben's interested readers should subscribe and not deprive Benjamin of his rightful income.

Respectfully,

Selene

Normally I am the one in your shoes reminding others of copyright violations so I appreciate your post.

As far as I am aware only my friend who is a paid subscriber, would be liable.

I sent a PM to Bill with a link to your post and will leave it up to him regarding Avalon's exposure.

If he asks me to stop I certainly will.

Thanx,

Cal

Selene
9th March 2011, 03:55
Uhh, Calz -


As far as I am aware only my friend who is a paid subscriber, would be liable.

Let me understand this: you're prepared to let your friend take the hit for your misbehavior here? That's like receiving stolen goods and fencing them onward.... What am I missing?

Let me repeat this: This newsletter is copyright material. You did not pay for it. If your friend quite innocently forwarded it to you as a favor and you read it, he might be perhaps forgiven but that still does not protect you from copyright violation by your posting it publicly here. You are still liable - and this website is as well for hosting YOU.

Please consider the difficult position you may be putting Avalon in here.

All best,

Selene

Calz
9th March 2011, 04:03
Uhh, Calz -


As far as I am aware only my friend who is a paid subscriber, would be liable.

Let me understand this: you're prepared to let your friend take the hit for your misbehavior here? That's like receiving stolen goods and fencing them onward.... What am I missing?

Let me repeat this: This newsletter is copyright material. You did not pay for it. If your friend quite innocently forwarded it to you as a favor and you read it, he might be perhaps forgiven but that still does not protect you from copyright violation by your posting it publicly here. You are still liable - and this website is as well for hosting YOU.

Please consider the difficult position you may be putting Avalon in here.

All best,

Selene

Uhhh ... thanks for your concern.

My friend will remain nameless.

I have already said I PM'd Bill and if there is any danger to Avalon then I will discontinue and delete the OP?

Cal

Calz
9th March 2011, 04:12
I have deleted OP (and one I posted in the past) and will await word from Mods or Bill.

Sorry for the confusion.

Cal

Paul
9th March 2011, 04:50
I have deleted OP (and one I posted in the past) and will await word from Mods or Bill.
Thank-you, Calz_Avaretard, both for posting this (I enjoyed reading it) and temporarily pulling it (after careful consideration of the issues.) Thank-you, Selene, for asking the question.

A couple of us mods/admins discussed this (we're not lawyers) and I at least came to the following conclusions:

We do not have any fancy corporate lawyers sending us warning letters or any such thing here, so we have some space to do what we think is best.
I'd recommend an excerpt, say not more than 10% direct quote, along with perhaps a statement in one's own words of what you read there.

I say that out of a reasonable respect for the intellectual property of another.

I don't know if Bill will have additional (or alternative) thoughts on this or not. But if he does, I will certainly pay close attention :o.

Anchor
9th March 2011, 04:54
The forum guidelines are pretty clear. You have to have permission to post copyrighted material.

[Update below, I now realise this is not correct]

Paul
9th March 2011, 04:59
The forum guidelines are pretty clear. You have to have permission to post copyrighted material.

However I would claim that fair use (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html) is allowed, and if the forum guidelines don't mention that, then that would be a deficiency in the guidelines.

Calz
9th March 2011, 06:24
I have deleted OP (and one I posted in the past) and will await word from Mods or Bill.
Thank-you, Calz_Avaretard, both for posting this (I enjoyed reading it) and temporarily pulling it (after careful consideration of the issues.) Thank-you, Selene, for asking the question.

A couple of us mods/admins discussed this (we're not lawyers) and I at least came to the following conclusions:

We do not have any fancy corporate lawyers sending us warning letters or any such thing here, so we have some space to do what we think is best.

2. I'd recommend an excerpt, say not more than 10% direct quote, along with perhaps a statement in one's own words of what you read there.

I say that out of a reasonable respect for the intellectual property of another.

I don't know if Bill will have additional (or alternative) thoughts on this or not. But if he does, I will certainly pay close attention :o.

Moooo :)

Thanx Paul for your take.

Fulford uses the sort of model that many others now do in that they put out about 1/2 of an artical or interview as a "teaser" if you will, to induce the person to subscribe.

Here is where the public portion would be:

http://benjaminfulford.net/

Anyway ... I will error on the side of caution and not post anything that he has not made public. I am not a lawyer but I realize that every "one in a million" are made examples of for (as an example) downloading music.

There are countless copyright violations on utube and I don't see anyone trying to shut them down ... but I digress.

Cal

Anchor
9th March 2011, 11:16
The forum guidelines are pretty clear. You have to have permission to post copyrighted material.

However I would claim that fair use (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html) is allowed, and if the forum guidelines don't mention that, then that would be a deficiency in the guidelines.

I am in error. I just re-read the current set. [ http://projectavalon.net/forum4/faq.php?faq=avalonguidelines#faq_membershipguideli nes ]

The forum guidelines do not mention this directly - and this is deficient :)

I am sorry - I was almost certain that they did include a guideline on copyright (which I wrote as I recall) but the final versions must have omitted that section; there is a new section I don't remember which concerns posting of links to copyright material - which is a piracy deterrent.

Paul
9th March 2011, 11:38
Another round of refining the Forum Guidelines is one someone's todo list, as best as I recall. Been a bit busy here lately though, so not much progress.

Circe
11th March 2011, 13:36
Special bulletin: Earthquake attack on Japan originated in New Mexico and Nevada, U.S. New Madrid fault line next target

The horrific earthquake weapon attack on Japan, resulting in 10 meter tsunamis along much of Japan’s coast line came from rogue elements of the U.S. government located in underground bases in New Mexico and Nevada, according to pentagon and CIA sources.

The next target will be the New Madrid fault line in the South-Western United States, according to threats originating from the Nazi George Bush Senior faction of the U.S. government.

The United States is supposed to be an ally of Japan, we demand that you immediately send men with tanks and guns to take these bases and arrest these genocidal rogues. You know who they are and you know where they are, you must act or your own people will be next.

source: http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/
New Madrid Fault line in south western United States will be next?
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/new-madrid-seismic-zone-map-lg.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Madrid_Seismic_Zone
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Make of the above what you will.

Circe.

Circe
11th March 2011, 23:30
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/nibiruTV

HAARP was an idea that the great inventor NIKOLA TESLA had for the world to provide free energy (world wide)

Of course, the planned stopped as soon as the providers heard of this and sold all plans.

If Teslas inventions were not stopped we would be 100 years into the future, but time stopped for us.

And yes, HAARP is very, VERY real folks. It is not some kind of BS that people make up. It can change the weather of the world, it can create "natural" disasters...

It's a doomsday device.

http://benjaminfulford.net/ -
JAPAN 8.9 EARTHQUAKE - HAARP ??? - JAPAN THREATEND IN PAST


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_76qhJXMPo&feature=player_detailpage

Gaia
11th March 2011, 23:38
Haarp,maybe we dont know yet ! Clouds predict Haarp earthquakes ? Does someone has footage of strange multicoloured clouds seen just before the earthquake ? As the United States and China battle for their very survival in a World becoming increasing volatile due to the rapidly growing shortages of both food and fuel ? So many questions...

Calz
12th March 2011, 18:16
From his PUBLIC site - reader discretion advised:

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/


Special bulletin: Earthquake attack on Japan originated in New Mexico and Nevada, U.S. New Madrid fault line next target

The horrific earthquake weapon attack on Japan, resulting in 10 meter tsunamis along much of Japan’s coast line came from rogue elements of the U.S. government located in underground bases in New Mexico and Nevada, according to pentagon and CIA sources.

The next target will be the New Madrid fault line in the South-Western United States, according to threats originating from the Nazi George Bush Senior faction of the U.S. government.

The United States is supposed to be an ally of Japan, we demand that you immediately send men with tanks and guns to take these bases and arrest these genocidal rogues. You know who they are and you know where they are, you must act or your own people will be next.

Jake
12th March 2011, 18:26
Terribly disturbing. Do you happen to know the pentagon and cia sources???

Calz
12th March 2011, 18:30
Terribly disturbing. Do you happen to know the pentagon and cia sources???

All I "know" is what he put in OP (whether or not there is anything to it I have no idea).

Fulford has been blaming most every big earthquake on cabal weapons so who knows?

*** after post addition ***

I *DO* remember him saying that Japan had been threaten with an earthquake targeting a nuke facility and it happened exactly where and when the threat said and this was published BEFORE it happened.

Take from that what you will.

That was within the last year I believe going from memory.