A picture paints a thousand words - decoding the Sumerians

[Teakai]

I've been listening to Jonathan Kleck's channel. It is so good. He pulls apart this Sumerian engraving

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and decodes it and what it means. And it would seem that this would be the Genesis version of the bible - only this is more indepth and makes more sense.



Just to say, Joanthan is very Chrisitian - don't get caught up in that if you're not, but just take the information for what it's worth to you and see how it connects with the other stuff.
I thought it was incredible.

This is the video that got me going to his channel and watching the series he made.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrGCOZTvVI

[giovonni]

Quite a stinger of a video :thumb:

[Teakai]

Quite a stinger of a video :thumb:

*groan*

:)

[giovonni]

i am very pleased to see some Christians waking up to all the possibilities. If anyone can penetrate their minds ~ perhaps those like Joanthan can ?

[Teakai]

i am very pleased to see some Christians waking up to all the possibilities. If anyone can penetrate their minds ~ perhaps those like Joanthan can ?

I think the bible is a personification of the secret truth and history and there in lies the misunderstanding for those Christians who divide themselves from their fellow man.
Possibly this is the same for all religions who are divisive on the grounds of their religion.

I don't for a minute think I have the bible sorted, but I think there is far more to it than the literal story of a man called Jesus.

[161803398]

I have a few Christian friends and even a few relatives and I have always been able to say anything to them about what I think....although I wouldn't have assumed that to be the case before I got to know them. What is bothering me lately is that so many non-Christians seem to be so closed minded about Christians....oh, you know...they are Christians yuck phewy. I like all religions and its always interesting to hear different points of view on the Bible. The Bible is quite fascinating....I just wish it hadn't been edited so much. This guy is right, of course, about the temple being the body.

I was trying to find some gothic look type font to write the word Christians in but apparently there isn't one. We need more fonts!

[9eagle9]

i am very pleased to see some Christians waking up to all the possibilities. If anyone can penetrate their minds ~ perhaps those like Joanthan can ?

I was thinking the same thing myself.

[Teakai]

I have a few Christian friends and even a few relatives and I have always been able to say anything to them about what I think....although I wouldn't have assumed that to be the case before I got to know them. What is bothering me lately is that so many non-Christians seem to be so closed minded about Christians....oh, you know...they are Christians yuck phewy. I like all religions and its always interesting to hear different points of view on the Bible. The Bible is quite fascinating....I just wish it hadn't been edited so much. This guy is right, of course, about the temple being the body.

I was trying to find some gothic look type font to write the word Christians in but apparently there isn't one. We need more fonts!

I know people who consider themselves to be Chrisitians who haven't even read the bible. It sure is a mixed crowd and I wonder if there are two of them who think the same all the way through in regard to the bible.

More fonts and a knitting icon :)

[161803398]

Possibly this is the same for all religions who are divisive on the grounds of their religion.

Now I'm gonna drone on about Ireland again but they have an interesting practice in one area around the lake I go to which is once in a while to have the Catholic Priest lead the service at the Protestant Church and the Protestant Pastor do the service at the Catholic Church. I think the only way to get truth is to put all the pieces together and you can only do that by talking not by dividing. Fundamentalism is a pain in the butt but people forget that fundamentalists come in all forms, including fundamentalist atheists.

I believe the meaning of "dying on the cross" is something quite different than the literal interpretation of it.

[9eagle9]

Lol. It does appear that those who have never read the Bible are, shockingly, more informed about it than those who have.

[johnf]

Where would I find out more about the engraving? It looks definitely Egyptian to me not Sumerian.

[Teakai]

Where would I find out more about the engraving? It looks definitely Egyptian to me not Sumerian.

I don't know, John. This is the most in depth I've ever found out about it.

The male is supposedly Ahkenaton - who I think is portrayed to us as being an Egyptian Pharoah.

So, is it really Ahkenaton - or is this where the royal Rh- bloodline began?
Interesting stuff.

Maybe the Royal bloodline began with Ahkenaton. Looking at Genesis in the bible - there were 2 lots of people being made in different order.

And clearly there were people in the world prior to Adam.

[LM-R]

Sorry to burst the party guys but i am Christian.

I am Greek Orthodox.

You guys are about tolerance and the individual, but able to immediately outcast people different to you

Nice way to make someone feel about their choice in life. :(

Half the stuff you guys post on here is usually in some form or another in the Bible and you guys probably don't even know it.

You guys use the term Christianity and Bible loosely. There are many divisions of Christianity which people tend to forget and generally think of it as Catholic and the Vatican.
The Bible is in many different versions and each and every divisions varys in some way or another.
I know that we Greek Orthodox have alot more freedom in our beliefs as we have a lot of Saints and Rituals and many believe in spirits and it is not really fround upon and so on.
Personally i don't go to Church much at all, but i don't see that as a major thing, i pray and feel i have a good connection with God.
Having grown up going to a Catholic private high school Catholic religion was part of the curriculum and was never optional. I grew up with many of my Greek friends at school noticing all the differences.
For example I walk into a Greek Orthodox Church, They have many murals, icons, candles etc and i get this loving feeling of awe, You feel like a walk into history. Not to mention the way the ceremonies are performed feel more ancient or closer to real. I have gone to many Catholic Churches as well and they are very plain with a cross, tabernacle and alter, the rituals are small and taking communion doesn't feel personal the way its done.


Well that's my 2 cents

I hope you at the least respect it.

[LM-R]

I have a few Christian friends and even a few relatives and I have always been able to say anything to them about what I think....although I wouldn't have assumed that to be the case before I got to know them. What is bothering me lately is that so many non-Christians seem to be so closed minded about Christians....oh, you know...they are Christians yuck phewy. I like all religions and its always interesting to hear different points of view on the Bible. The Bible is quite fascinating....I just wish it hadn't been edited so much. This guy is right, of course, about the temple being the body.

I was trying to find some gothic look type font to write the word Christians in but apparently there isn't one. We need more fonts!

I know people who consider themselves to be Chrisitians who haven't even read the bible. It sure is a mixed crowd and I wonder if there are two of them who think the same all the way through in regard to the bible.

More fonts and a knitting icon :)

Ah but that's the beauty about being a individual person you have your own take on it. Individuality itself doesn't discriminate any view or religion and is found in every belief structure.

[Teakai]

Ah but that's the beauty about being a individual person you have your own take on it. Individuality itself doesn't discriminate any view or religion and is found in every belief structure.

I'm not sure how that's true LM-R. There are many individuals who would kill other individuals based on a belief structure which discriminates.

Or have I missed your point?

[Teakai]

Sorry to burst the party guys but i am Christian.

I am Greek Orthodox.

You guys are about tolerance and the individual, but able to immediately outcast people different to you

Nice way to make someone feel about their choice in life. :(

Half the stuff you guys post on here is usually in some form or another in the Bible and you guys probably don't even know it.

You guys use the term Christianity and Bible loosely. There are many divisions of Christianity which people tend to forget and generally think of it as Catholic and the Vatican.
The Bible is in many different versions and each and every divisions varys in some way or another.
I know that we Greek Orthodox have alot more freedom in our beliefs as we have a lot of Saints and Rituals and many believe in spirits and it is not really fround upon and so on.
Personally i don't go to Church much at all, but i don't see that as a major thing, i pray and feel i have a good connection with God.
Having grown up going to a Catholic private high school Catholic religion was part of the curriculum and was never optional. I grew up with many of my Greek friends at school noticing all the differences.
For example I walk into a Greek Orthodox Church, They have many murals, icons, candles etc and i get this loving feeling of awe, You feel like a walk into history. Not to mention the way the ceremonies are performed feel more ancient or closer to real. I have gone to many Catholic Churches as well and they are very plain with a cross, tabernacle and alter, the rituals are small and taking communion doesn't feel personal the way its done.


Well that's my 2 cents

I hope you at the least respect it.

I respect you right to voice it :)

I've been considering - what are the requirements to being a Christian? I was told it was that you had to believe that Jesus died on the cross to save you from your sins and that you had to believe the bible was the unadulterated word of God.

As a Christian LM-R is that correct? And if not, what are the requirements for being a Christian?

[LM-R]

Sorry to burst the party guys but i am Christian.

I am Greek Orthodox.

You guys are about tolerance and the individual, but able to immediately outcast people different to you

Nice way to make someone feel about their choice in life. :(

Half the stuff you guys post on here is usually in some form or another in the Bible and you guys probably don't even know it.

You guys use the term Christianity and Bible loosely. There are many divisions of Christianity which people tend to forget and generally think of it as Catholic and the Vatican.
The Bible is in many different versions and each and every divisions varys in some way or another.
I know that we Greek Orthodox have alot more freedom in our beliefs as we have a lot of Saints and Rituals and many believe in spirits and it is not really fround upon and so on.
Personally i don't go to Church much at all, but i don't see that as a major thing, i pray and feel i have a good connection with God.
Having grown up going to a Catholic private high school Catholic religion was part of the curriculum and was never optional. I grew up with many of my Greek friends at school noticing all the differences.
For example I walk into a Greek Orthodox Church, They have many murals, icons, candles etc and i get this loving feeling of awe, You feel like a walk into history. Not to mention the way the ceremonies are performed feel more ancient or closer to real. I have gone to many Catholic Churches as well and they are very plain with a cross, tabernacle and alter, the rituals are small and taking communion doesn't feel personal the way its done.


Well that's my 2 cents

I hope you at the least respect it.

I respect you right to voice it :)

I've been considering - what are the requirements to being a Christian? I was told it was that you had to believe that Jesus died on the cross to save you from your sins and that you had to believe the bible was the unadulterated word of God.

As a Christian LM-R is that correct? And if not, what are the requirements for being a Christian?


No it is not a requirement that the bible be taken as the unadulterated word of God.

The only requirement is " if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead" Taken from the book of Romans, but it is said through out different chapters and books in the bible.
The rest are just "bonuses";)

[gabbahh]

i am very pleased to see some Christians waking up to all the possibilities. If anyone can penetrate their minds ~ perhaps those like Joanthan can ?
I am very pleased to see new agers, muslims, agnostics waking up to all possibilities. By saying "If anyone can penetrate their minds" you are pushing Christians away, which is not helping this discussion and unity among the people at all.
Also don't think their belief in God is any different from a belief in a source, a higher self, oneness. We are all talking about the same thing, nobody wants to say they are wrong, everyone thinks what they believe is the truth.

Yet we keep on dividing ourselves.

I hope I penetrate your mind. No change that, I want you to be open to different views. I want to be open to different views. It would help also if the followers of the world religions would be more open.

[Teakai]

No it is not a requirement that the bible be taken as the unadulterated word of God.

The only requirement is " if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead" Taken from the book of Romans, but it is said through out different chapters and books in the bible.
The rest are just "bonuses";)

Hi LM-R, thanks for your answer. :)

Another thing that I've noticed from the bible is that Jesus says one thing - which is "love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbour as you love yourself" (paraphrased) and "Those who love me will do as I say."
And then Paul says - all you gotta do is believe that Jesus died for your sins, or that God raised Jesus from the dead - as you have in your post.

To me these come across as different messages. Jesus is saying how one must 'be'. And the other is saying that all one has to do is believe something to be true and that's enough.

In which case (as I see it) any person who loves the Lord their God with all their heart and their neighbour as themsleves is doing what Jesus said, whether they be Moslem, or Hindi, or Jew etc, than a Christian who does not put that action into practise but simply believes that God raised Jesus from the dead.

How do you see that?

[oceanz]

I went to school with a girl who was very intelligent and her father was a church minister. She read the Old Testament cover to cover and said it was full of homosexuality that has been all but taken out and you won't find it in the New Testament.

That being said, maybe some messages have been altered to reflect the change in society or the direction in which a religion wishes to steer its followers in.

[LM-R]

No it is not a requirement that the bible be taken as the unadulterated word of God.

The only requirement is " if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead" Taken from the book of Romans, but it is said through out different chapters and books in the bible.
The rest are just "bonuses";)

Hi LM-R, thanks for your answer. :)

Another thing that I've noticed from the bible is that Jesus says one thing - which is "love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbour as you love yourself" (paraphrased) and "Those who love me will do as I say."
And then Paul says - all you gotta do is believe that Jesus died for your sins, or that God raised Jesus from the dead - as you have in your post.
To me these come across as different messages. Jesus is saying how one must 'be'. And the other is saying that all one has to do is believe something to be true and that's enough.

In which case (as I see it) any person who loves the Lord their God with all their heart and their neighbour as themsleves is doing what Jesus said, whether they be Moslem, or Hindi, or Jew etc, than a Christian who does not put that action into practise but simply believes that God raised Jesus from the dead.

How do you see that?

Ok you are taking it out of context as many people do by mistake as they read the Bible.
What Jesus said in your post are ways to be a better person, what Paul said is How to become a Christian
As i said loving thy neighbor and what not is not a prequisite of being Christian they are ways of becoming a better person/Christian.

A lot of people like to pray to Saints and Mary, I did too at one stage but now i only pray to God and thank him for giving the power to other Saints to do his work. I see it like God is the main Man and without his consent none of his sidekicks can help.

[Deedee]

i am very pleased to see some Christians waking up to all the possibilities. If anyone can penetrate their minds ~ perhaps those like Joanthan can ?

I don't for a minute think I have the bible sorted, but I think there is far more to it than the literal story of a man called Jesus.


I think the bible is a personification of the secret truth and history and there in lies the misunderstanding for those Christians who divide themselves from their fellow man.
Possibly this is the same for all religions who are divisive on the grounds of their religion.

Hi Teakai,

I just newly discovered the Gospel of Thomas... I find it fascinating... I learned about one of the hidden messages in #62 here... Interpretation discovered. stand in front of a mirror and raise your right hand
you know this is your right hand, NOW become your image in the mirror and you see in the mirror your left hand being raised. Your image is in a mirror world. I'm still learning some of the other interpretations.. If anyone has some answers to share I would greatly appreciate the insight.
The Nag Hammadi Library

The Gospel of Thomas

Translated by Thomas O. Lambdin

(Visit the Gospel of Thomas Collection for additional information)

These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.

(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

(4) Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will live. For many who are first will become last, and they will become one and the same."

(5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."

(6) His disciples questioned him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How shall we pray? Shall we give alms? What diet shall we observe?"
Jesus said, "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered."

(7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

(8) And he said, "The man is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the wise fisherman found a fine large fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose the large fish without difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

(9) Jesus said, "Now the sower went out, took a handful (of seeds), and scattered them. Some fell on the road; the birds came and gathered them up. Others fell on the rock, did not take root in the soil, and did not produce ears. And others fell on thorns; they choked the seed(s) and worms ate them. And others fell on the good soil and it produced good fruit: it bore sixty per measure and a hundred and twenty per measure."

(10) Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

(11) Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

(12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?"
Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James the righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being."

(13) Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous angel."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring which I have measured out."
And he took him and withdrew and told him three things. When Thomas returned to his companions, they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the things which he told me, you will pick up stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of the stones and burn you up."

(14) Jesus said to them, "If you fast, you will give rise to sin for yourselves; and if you pray, you will be condemned; and if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits. When you go into any land and walk about in the districts, if they receive you, eat what they will set before you, and heal the sick among them. For what goes into your mouth will not defile you, but that which issues from your mouth - it is that which will defile you."

(15) Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is your father."

(16) Jesus said, "Men think, perhaps, that it is peace which I have come to cast upon the world. They do not know that it is dissension which I have come to cast upon the earth: fire, sword, and war. For there will be five in a house: three will be against two, and two against three, the father against the son, and the son against the father. And they will stand solitary."

(17) Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."

(18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be."
Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

(19) Jesus said, "Blessed is he who came into being before he came into being. If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you. For there are five trees for you in Paradise which remain undisturbed summer and winter and whose leaves do not fall. Whoever becomes acquainted with them will not experience death."

(20) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us what the kingdom of heaven is like."
He said to them, "It is like a mustard seed. It is the smallest of all seeds. But when it falls on tilled soil, it produces a great plant and becomes a shelter for birds of the sky."

(21) Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

(23) Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."

(24) His disciples said to him, "Show us the place where you are, since it is necessary for us to seek it."
He said to them, "Whoever has ears, let him hear. There is light within a man of light, and he lights up the whole world. If he does not shine, he is darkness."

(25) Jesus said, "Love your brother like your soul, guard him like the pupil of your eye."

(26) Jesus said, "You see the mote in your brother's eye, but you do not see the beam in your own eye. When you cast the beam out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to cast the mote from your brother's eye."

(27) <Jesus said,> "If you do not fast as regards the world, you will not find the kingdom. If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see the father."

(28) Jesus said, "I took my place in the midst of the world, and I appeared to them in flesh. I found all of them intoxicated; I found none of them thirsty. And my soul became afflicted for the sons of men, because they are blind in their hearts and do not have sight; for empty they came into the world, and empty too they seek to leave the world. But for the moment they are intoxicated. When they shake off their wine, then they will repent."

(29) Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."

(30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

(31) Jesus said, "No prophet is accepted in his own village; no physician heals those who know him."

(32) Jesus said, "A city being built on a high mountain and fortified cannot fall, nor can it be hidden."

(33) Jesus said, "Preach from your housetops that which you will hear in your ear. For no one lights a lamp and puts it under a bushel, nor does he put it in a hidden place, but rather he sets it on a lampstand so that everyone who enters and leaves will see its light."

(34) Jesus said, "If a blind man leads a blind man, they will both fall into a pit."

(35) Jesus said, "It is not possible for anyone to enter the house of a strong man and take it by force unless he binds his hands; then he will (be able to) ransack his house."

(36) Jesus said, "Do not be concerned from morning until evening and from evening until morning about what you will wear."

(37) His disciples said, "When will you become revealed to us and when shall we see you?"
Jesus said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children and tread on them, then will you see the son of the living one, and you will not be afraid"

(38) Jesus said, "Many times have you desired to hear these words which I am saying to you, and you have no one else to hear them from. There will be days when you will look for me and will not find me."

(39) Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

(40) Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted outside of the father, but being unsound, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed."

(41) Jesus said, "Whoever has something in his hand will receive more, and whoever has nothing will be deprived of even the little he has."

(42) Jesus said, "Become passers-by."

(43) His disciples said to him, "Who are you, that you should say these things to us?"
<Jesus said to them,> "You do not realize who I am from what I say to you, but you have become like the Jews, for they (either) love the tree and hate its fruit (or) love the fruit and hate the tree."

(44) Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven."

(45) Jesus said, "Grapes are not harvested from thorns, nor are figs gathered from thistles, for they do not produce fruit. A good man brings forth good from his storehouse; an evil man brings forth evil things from his evil storehouse, which is in his heart, and says evil things. For out of the abundance of the heart he brings forth evil things."

(46) Jesus said, "Among those born of women, from Adam until John the Baptist, there is no one so superior to John the Baptist that his eyes should not be lowered (before him). Yet I have said, whichever one of you comes to be a child will be acquainted with the kingdom and will become superior to John."

(47) Jesus said, "It is impossible for a man to mount two horses or to stretch two bows. And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters; otherwise, he will honor the one and treat the other contemptuously. No man drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine. And new wine is not put into old wineskins, lest they burst; nor is old wine put into a new wineskin, lest it spoil it. An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, because a tear would result."

(48) Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in this one house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."

(49) Jesus said, "Blessed are the solitary and elect, for you will find the kingdom. For you are from it, and to it you will return."

(50) Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"

(51) His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"
He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

(52) His disciples said to him, "Twenty-four prophets spoke in Israel, and all of them spoke in you."
He said to them, "You have omitted the one living in your presence and have spoken (only) of the dead."

(53) His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?"
He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable."

(54) Jesus said, "Blessed are the poor, for yours is the kingdom of heaven."

(55) Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters and take up his cross in my way will not be worthy of me."

(56) Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has found (only) a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."

(57) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a man who had good seed. His enemy came by night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The man did not allow them to pull up the weeds; he said to them, 'I am afraid that you will go intending to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be plainly visible, and they will be pulled up and burned."

(58) Jesus said, "Blessed is the man who has suffered and found life."

(59) Jesus said, "Take heed of the living one while you are alive, lest you die and seek to see him and be unable to do so."

(60) <They saw> a Samaritan carrying a lamb on his way to Judea. He said to his disciples, "That man is round about the lamb."
They said to him, "So that he may kill it and eat it."
He said to them, "While it is alive, he will not eat it, but only when he has killed it and it has become a corpse."
They said to him, "He cannot do so otherwise."
He said to them, "You too, look for a place for yourself within repose, lest you become a corpse and be eaten."

(61) Jesus said, "Two will rest on a bed: the one will die, and the other will live."
Salome said, "Who are you, man, that you ... have come up on my couch and eaten from my table?"
Jesus said to her, "I am he who exists from the undivided. I was given some of the things of my father."
<...> "I am your disciple."
<...> "Therefore I say, if he is destroyed, he will be filled with light, but if he is divided, he will be filled with darkness."

(62) Jesus said, "It is to those who are worthy of my mysteries that I tell my mysteries. Do not let your left (hand) know what your right (hand) is doing."

(63) Jesus said, "There was a rich man who had much money. He said, 'I shall put my money to use so that I may sow, reap, plant, and fill my storehouse with produce, with the result that I shall lack nothing.' Such were his intentions, but that same night he died. Let him who has ears hear."

(64) Jesus said, "A man had received visitors. And when he had prepared the dinner, he sent his servant to invite the guests.
He went to the first one and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said, 'I have claims against some merchants. They are coming to me this evening. I must go and give them my orders. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master has invited you.' He said to him, 'I have just bought a house and am required for the day. I shall not have any spare time.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said to him, 'My friend is going to get married, and I am to prepare the banquet. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said to him, 'I have just bought a farm, and I am on my way to collect the rent. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused.'
The servant returned and said to his master, 'Those whom you invited to the dinner have asked to be excused.' The master said to his servant, 'Go outside to the streets and bring back those whom you happen to meet, so that they may dine.' Businessmen and merchants will not enter the places of my father."

(65) He said, "There was a good man who owned a vineyard. He leased it to tenant farmers so that they might work it and he might collect the produce from them. He sent his servant so that the tenants might give him the produce of the vineyard. They seized his servant and beat him, all but killing him. The servant went back and told his master. The master said, 'Perhaps he did not recognize them.' He sent another servant. The tenants beat this one as well. Then the owner sent his son and said, 'Perhaps they will show respect to my son.' Because the tenants knew that it was he who was the heir to the vineyard, they seized him and killed him. Let him who has ears hear."

(66) Jesus said, "Show me the stone which the builders have rejected. That one is the cornerstone."

(67) Jesus said, "If one who knows the all still feels a personal deficiency, he is completely deficient."

(68) Jesus said, "Blessed are you when you are hated and persecuted. Wherever you have been persecuted they will find no place."

(69) Jesus said, "Blessed are they who have been persecuted within themselves. It is they who have truly come to know the father. Blessed are the hungry, for the belly of him who desires will be filled."

(70) Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do not have it within you."

(71) Jesus said, "I shall destroy this house, and no one will be able to build it [...]."

(72) A man said to him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me."
He said to him, "O man, who has made me a divider?"
He turned to his disciples and said to them, "I am not a divider, am I?"

(73) Jesus said, "The harvest is great but the laborers are few. Beseech the Lord, therefore, to send out laborers to the harvest."

(74) He said, "O Lord, there are many around the drinking trough, but there is nothing in the cistern."

(75) Jesus said, "Many are standing at the door, but it is the solitary who will enter the bridal chamber."

(76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a merchant who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm destroys."

(77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

(78) Jesus said, "Why have you come out into the desert? To see a reed shaken by the wind? And to see a man clothed in fine garments like your kings and your great men? Upon them are the fine garments, and they are unable to discern the truth."

(79) A woman from the crowd said to him, "Blessed are the womb which bore you and the breasts which nourished you."
He said to her, "Blessed are those who have heard the word of the father and have truly kept it. For there will be days when you will say, 'Blessed are the womb which has not conceived and the breasts which have not given milk.'"

(80) Jesus said, "He who has recognized the world has found the body, but he who has found the body is superior to the world."

(81) Jesus said, "Let him who has grown rich be king, and let him who possesses power renounce it."

(82) Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom."

(83) Jesus said, "The images are manifest to man, but the light in them remains concealed in the image of the light of the father. He will become manifest, but his image will remain concealed by his light."

(84) Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to bear!"

(85) Jesus said, "Adam came into being from a great power and a great wealth, but he did not become worthy of you. For had he been worthy, he would not have experienced death."

(86) Jesus said, "The foxes have their holes and the birds have their nests, but the son of man has no place to lay his head and rest."

(87) Jesus said, "Wretched is the body that is dependant upon a body, and wretched is the soul that is dependent on these two."

(88) Jesus said, "The angels and the prophets will come to you and give to you those things you (already) have. And you too, give them those things which you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what is theirs?'"

(89) Jesus said, "Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Do you not realize that he who made the inside is the same one who made the outside?"

(90) Jesus said, "Come unto me, for my yoke is easy and my lordship is mild, and you will find repose for yourselves."

(91) They said to him, "Tell us who you are so that we may believe in you."
He said to them, "You read the face of the sky and of the earth, but you have not recognized the one who is before you, and you do not know how to read this moment."

(92) Jesus said, "Seek and you will find. Yet, what you asked me about in former times and which I did not tell you then, now I do desire to tell, but you do not inquire after it."

(93) <Jesus said,> "Do not give what is holy to dogs, lest they throw them on the dung-heap. Do not throw the pearls to swine, lest they [...] it [...]."

(94) Jesus said, "He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in."

(95) Jesus said, "If you have money, do not lend it at interest, but give it to one from whom you will not get it back."

(96) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain woman. She took a little leaven, concealed it in some dough, and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."

(97) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain woman who was carrying a jar full of meal. While she was walking on the road, still some distance from home, the handle of the jar broke and the meal emptied out behind her on the road. She did not realize it; she had noticed no accident. When she reached her house, she set the jar down and found it empty."

(98) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain man who wanted to kill a powerful man. In his own house he drew his sword and stuck it into the wall in order to find out whether his hand could carry through. Then he slew the powerful man."

(99) The disciples said to him, "Your brothers and your mother are standing outside."
He said to them, "Those here who do the will of my father are my brothers and my mother. It is they who will enter the kingdom of my father."

(100) They showed Jesus a gold coin and said to him, "Caesar's men demand taxes from us."
He said to them, "Give Caesar what belongs to Caesar, give God what belongs to God, and give me what is mine."

(101) <Jesus said,> "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. And whoever does not love his father and his mother as I do cannot become a disciple to me. For my mother [...], but my true mother gave me life."

(102) Jesus said, "Woe to the pharisees, for they are like a dog sleeping in the manger of oxen, for neither does he eat nor does he let the oxen eat."

(103) Jesus said, "Fortunate is the man who knows where the brigands will enter, so that he may get up, muster his domain, and arm himself before they invade."

(104) They said to Jesus, "Come, let us pray today and let us fast."
Jesus said, "What is the sin that I have committed, or wherein have I been defeated? But when the bridegroom leaves the bridal chamber, then let them fast and pray."

(105) Jesus said, "He who knows the father and the mother will be called the son of a harlot."

(106) Jesus said, "When you make the two one, you will become the sons of man, and when you say, 'Mountain, move away,' it will move away."

(107) Jesus said, "The kingdom is like a shepherd who had a hundred sheep. One of them, the largest, went astray. He left the ninety-nine sheep and looked for that one until he found it. When he had gone to such trouble, he said to the sheep, 'I care for you more than the ninety-nine.'"

(108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

(109) Jesus said, "The kingdom is like a man who had a hidden treasure in his field without knowing it. And after he died, he left it to his son. The son did not know (about the treasure). He inherited the field and sold it. And the one who bought it went plowing and found the treasure. He began to lend money at interest to whomever he wished."

(110) Jesus said, "Whoever finds the world and becomes rich, let him renounce the world."

(111) Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will be rolled up in your presence. And the one who lives from the living one will not see death." Does not Jesus say, "Whoever finds himself is superior to the world?"

(112) Jesus said, "Woe to the flesh that depends on the soul; woe to the soul that depends on the flesh."

(113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

The Gospel
According to Thomas
I don't for a minute think I have the bible sorted, but I think there is far more to it than the literal story of a man called Jesus.[/QUOTE]

[Teakai]

Ok you are taking it out of context as many people do by mistake as they read the Bible.
What Jesus said in your post are ways to be a better person, what Paul said is How to become a Christian
As i said loving thy neighbor and what not is not a prequisite of being Christian they are ways of becoming a better person/Christian.

A lot of people like to pray to Saints and Mary, I did too at one stage but now i only pray to God and thank him for giving the power to other Saints to do his work. I see it like God is the main Man and without his consent none of his sidekicks can help.

Hi LM-R. I didn't put what Jesus said in a context. It's just what he said. I think organised religion is what puts Jesus' words into a context.
Jesus said that these were the most important of commandments. So it sounds like much much more than just how to be a nicer person. From my understanding it is from this state one has attained the highest frequency. You can't fake loving your neighbour.

I also find it relevant that Jesus didn't say, "Love the lord God..." but "Love the Lord 'your' God..." Does he mean that part of us which is soul? Jesus goes on to say in another section of the bible that God is within us (or something akin to that) so to me it would seem it does mean that.

Whereas from what I have found with organised religion is that it gives you the idea that God or salvation or enlightenment lies outside your power.

Just to ask another question of your opinion in regard to Paul and being a Christian. Would you say that a non Christian doing what Jesus said (love your God and neighbour etc) is more likely to find salvation than a Christian who simply believes that Jesus died and was raised by God, but does not love his god or is neighbour?

[AlkaMyst]

Teakai,

My dear friend, I hope everything is going well for you!!!

As you can see, I don't post much anymore but I just couldn't help sharing this with you all.........below are another series of videos done by Jonathan which go deeper and into more details about the video you have posted above, apparently he has two channels....this is a very interesting subject and I am glad you brought it up!!!

In this series of videos he exposes secrets hidden in the money and then moves on to the mural of Akhenaten and Nefertiti and goes into deep details......Enjoy!!!

PS
Here's another version of the picture above....

http://theavalonfiles.com/db/images/uploads/nefratiti-full.jpg

Part - 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFMYCULm6-U&feature=player_profilepage

Part - 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MO3bqC5X3s&feature=player_profilepage

Part - 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLuVHIuc7fM&feature=player_profilepage

Part - 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcZojqSSzeU&feature=player_profilepage

Part - 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPjs3iCLtvU&feature=player_profilepage

Part - 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPjs3iCLtvU&feature=player_profilepage


Cont. below.............

[AlkaMyst]

Cont. from above......

Part - 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2QdnSy16c&feature=player_profilepage

Part - 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVPrrxEdY8Y&feature=player_profilepage#t=0s

Part - 9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dItO9eTE9Do&feature=player_profilepage

Part - 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRJLQ6nc1UI&feature=player_profilepage

Part - 11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzHqNsHKqM4&feature=player_profilepage

Blessings,
AlkaMyst

[LM-R]

Ok you are taking it out of context as many people do by mistake as they read the Bible.
What Jesus said in your post are ways to be a better person, what Paul said is How to become a Christian
As i said loving thy neighbor and what not is not a prequisite of being Christian they are ways of becoming a better person/Christian.

A lot of people like to pray to Saints and Mary, I did too at one stage but now i only pray to God and thank him for giving the power to other Saints to do his work. I see it like God is the main Man and without his consent none of his sidekicks can help.

Hi LM-R. I didn't put what Jesus said in a context. It's just what he said. I think organised religion is what puts Jesus' words into a context.

Sorry i didnt fully describe what i meant, im not the greatest at putting my thoughts to words/paper:(, when i mean context i meant it as being a prequsite of becoming a Christian not as an importance of doing things when you are a Christian.

Jesus said that these were the most important of commandments. So it sounds like much much more than just how to be a nicer person. From my understanding it is from this state one has attained the highest frequency. You can't fake loving your neighbour.

Yes, "Nicer person" was used very loosely by me it was the wrong word,Call it Frequency, Connection with oneself and its surroundings, higher state of being etc. Yes your understanding is pretty much correct in that. But its still not a prequiste of becoming a Christian it is the "path" of a Christian.

I also find it relevant that Jesus didn't say, "Love the lord God..." but "Love the Lord 'your' God..." Does he mean that part of us which is soul? Jesus goes on to say in another section of the bible that God is within us (or something akin to that) so to me it would seem it does mean that.

Now this is important you are basing you judgement on one word "Your" but this word varies in many different types of Bibles, For example have a read of these 2 links,

http://bible.cc/luke/10-27.htm

http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/6-5.htm

I doesn't help that there are so many translations Written at many different times(We can probably thank our evil illuminati infiltrate rats for that for that)

Whereas from what I have found with organised religion is that it gives you the idea that God or salvation or enlightenment lies outside your power.

Not sure what would give that impression. Your salvation is you actually believing in your heart in most religions nothing more and i think that's totally in your/our power.

Just to ask another question of your opinion in regard to Paul and being a Christian. Would you say that a non Christian doing what Jesus said (love your God and neighbour etc) is more likely to find salvation than a Christian who simply believes that Jesus died and was raised by God, but does not love his god or is neighbour?

Well see i personally think that each and every religion has its own savior and it's own God and if you follow their teachings you will side and be saved by that God or Lord.
The thing that gives me that impression comes from the Old Testament(a whole other can of worms)
I am more worried for the Atheist followers Not believing in a stronger power and life after death just because Science "can't" or better yet wont explain or investigate it.

Dear Teakai
Please read my reply in blue :)

[Teakai]

Hi Teakai,

I just newly discovered the Gospel of Thomas... I find it fascinating... I learned about one of the hidden messages in #62 here... Interpretation discovered. stand in front of a mirror and raise your right hand
you know this is your right hand, NOW become your image in the mirror and you see in the mirror your left hand being raised. Your image is in a mirror world. I'm still learning some of the other interpretations.. If anyone has some answers to share I would greatly appreciate the insight.
The Nag Hammadi Library

The Gospel of Thomas

Translated by Thomas O. Lambdin

(Visit the Gospel of Thomas Collection for additional information)

These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.

(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."



Hi DeeDee. I think the gospel of Thomas is very profound. I think the gnostic teachings have been deliberately left out of the bible as there is too much knowledge in them. And the r/c church was after control.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Ok you are taking it out of context as many people do by mistake as they read the Bible.
What Jesus said in your post are ways to be a better person, what Paul said is How to become a Christian
As i said loving thy neighbor and what not is not a prequisite of being Christian they are ways of becoming a better person/Christian.

A lot of people like to pray to Saints and Mary, I did too at one stage but now i only pray to God and thank him for giving the power to other Saints to do his work. I see it like God is the main Man and without his consent none of his sidekicks can help.

Hi LM-R. I didn't put what Jesus said in a context. It's just what he said. I think organised religion is what puts Jesus' words into a context.
Jesus said that these were the most important of commandments. So it sounds like much much more than just how to be a nicer person. From my understanding it is from this state one has attained the highest frequency. You can't fake loving your neighbour.

I also find it relevant that Jesus didn't say, "Love the lord God..." but "Love the Lord 'your' God..." Does he mean that part of us which is soul? Jesus goes on to say in another section of the bible that God is within us (or something akin to that) so to me it would seem it does mean that.

Whereas from what I have found with organised religion is that it gives you the idea that God or salvation or enlightenment lies outside your power.

Just to ask another question of your opinion in regard to Paul and being a Christian. Would you say that a non Christian doing what Jesus said (love your God and neighbour etc) is more likely to find salvation than a Christian who simply believes that Jesus died and was raised by God, but does not love his god or is neighbour?

You know, I'm not sure this has anything to with Jesus at all, except insofar as 'Jesus' and 'he'/'the Living Father' are terms used to refer to the 'universal soul', the 'implicate', the 'holographic foil', etc.. It parallels what Bill has said about learning to trust intuition and knowing that our needs will be provided for, to wit:


41. Jesus said: "Have no care from morning to evening and from evening to morning, for what He will give you to put on."

[Teakai]

Hi LM-R. I didn't put what Jesus said in a context. It's just what he said. I think organised religion is what puts Jesus' words into a context.

Sorry i didnt fully describe what i meant, im not the greatest at putting my thoughts to words/paper:(, when i mean context i meant it as being a prequsite of becoming a Christian not as an importance of doing things when you are a Christian.

Jesus said that these were the most important of commandments. So it sounds like much much more than just how to be a nicer person. From my understanding it is from this state one has attained the highest frequency. You can't fake loving your neighbour.

Yes, "Nicer person" was used very loosely by me it was the wrong word,Call it Frequency, Connection with oneself and its surroundings, higher state of being etc. Yes your understanding is pretty much correct in that. But its still not a prequiste of becoming a Christian it is the "path" of a Christian.

I also find it relevant that Jesus didn't say, "Love the lord God..." but "Love the Lord 'your' God..." Does he mean that part of us which is soul? Jesus goes on to say in another section of the bible that God is within us (or something akin to that) so to me it would seem it does mean that.

Now this is important you are basing you judgement on one word "Your" but this word varies in many different types of Bibles, For example have a read of these 2 links,

http://bible.cc/luke/10-27.htm

http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/6-5.htm

I doesn't help that there are so many translations Written at many different times(We can probably thank our evil illuminati infiltrate rats for that for that)

Whereas from what I have found with organised religion is that it gives you the idea that God or salvation or enlightenment lies outside your power.

Not sure what would give that impression. Your salvation is you actually believing in your heart in most religions nothing more and i think that's totally in your/our power.

Just to ask another question of your opinion in regard to Paul and being a Christian. Would you say that a non Christian doing what Jesus said (love your God and neighbour etc) is more likely to find salvation than a Christian who simply believes that Jesus died and was raised by God, but does not love his god or is neighbour?

Well see i personally think that each and every religion has its own savior and it's own God and if you follow their teachings you will side and be saved by that God or Lord.
The thing that gives me that impression comes from the Old Testament(a whole other can of worms)
I am more worried for the Atheist followers Not believing in a stronger power and life after death just because Science "can't" or better yet wont explain or investigate it.

Thanks for your reply, LM-R. But, having done what Jesus is saying that is Love thy neighbour - what is the point of becomming a Christian? Why are the labels required?

And those links you provided in all the different bible versions they say to love the Lord 'your' God - or 'thy' which means your.

But, now I have another question :) - your religion as a Catholic says that the only way to salvation is through Jesus, as such how do you feel that people of other religions are able to be saved?

Possibly you feel you have already answered this when you said above that you feel that they will be saved by their own God, but as a Catholic you are required to believe in there only being one God - so, how would that work?

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think the Jesus of the Gospel of Thomas and the Jesus of common Christianity are completely different. Please don't accept my opinion, but it seems to me that the Jesus of the said Gospel would consider those who worship him to have misunderstood him.

[Teakai]

You know, I'm not sure this has anything to with Jesus at all, except insofar as 'Jesus' and 'he'/'the Living Father' are terms used to refer to the 'universal soul', the 'implicate', the 'holographic foil', etc.. It parallels what Bill has said about learning to trust intuition and knowing that our needs will be provided for, to wit:


41. Jesus said: "Have no care from morning to evening and from evening to morning, for what He will give you to put on."


I agree, Seikou-Kishi.
I think what religion has done is glorified the messenger (if there was only one) and overlooked or hidden the message.
And it stands to reason - Constantine was a powerful man who wanted control. No powerful material ruler wants to give their people freedom or knowledge. Maintaining their power depends on having the masses controllable.
These days they use chemicals and TV and other forms of mind control, but it's all keeping the materialistically powerful in power and the masses paying taxes or tithes.

[Seikou-Kishi]

A lot of what I've read in the Gospel according to Thomas is mirrored in certain verses of the Hávamál; I think it's likely that the truths represented have been presented in countless ways. Perhaps each time it was divinity incarnate, or perhaps sometimes it was a poet who found his muse. It would suit the holographic nature of the universe if the immortal and unbound wisdoms of the Gospel were found like shards of light from a prism. I'm reminded that, in the Gospel, Jesus says "I am in the stone". This pantheistic notion (so at odds with the official doctrine) is in religious terms what "the whole within the part" is in holographic terms, or "as above, so below"/ the macrocosm-microcosm parallel is in mystical and alchemical thought.

[LM-R]

Hi LM-R. I didn't put what Jesus said in a context. It's just what he said. I think organised religion is what puts Jesus' words into a context.

Sorry i didnt fully describe what i meant, im not the greatest at putting my thoughts to words/paper:(, when i mean context i meant it as being a prequsite of becoming a Christian not as an importance of doing things when you are a Christian.

Jesus said that these were the most important of commandments. So it sounds like much much more than just how to be a nicer person. From my understanding it is from this state one has attained the highest frequency. You can't fake loving your neighbour.

Yes, "Nicer person" was used very loosely by me it was the wrong word,Call it Frequency, Connection with oneself and its surroundings, higher state of being etc. Yes your understanding is pretty much correct in that. But its still not a prequiste of becoming a Christian it is the "path" of a Christian.

I also find it relevant that Jesus didn't say, "Love the lord God..." but "Love the Lord 'your' God..." Does he mean that part of us which is soul? Jesus goes on to say in another section of the bible that God is within us (or something akin to that) so to me it would seem it does mean that.

Now this is important you are basing you judgement on one word "Your" but this word varies in many different types of Bibles, For example have a read of these 2 links,

http://bible.cc/luke/10-27.htm

http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/6-5.htm

I doesn't help that there are so many translations Written at many different times(We can probably thank our evil illuminati infiltrate rats for that for that)

Whereas from what I have found with organised religion is that it gives you the idea that God or salvation or enlightenment lies outside your power.

Not sure what would give that impression. Your salvation is you actually believing in your heart in most religions nothing more and i think that's totally in your/our power.

Just to ask another question of your opinion in regard to Paul and being a Christian. Would you say that a non Christian doing what Jesus said (love your God and neighbour etc) is more likely to find salvation than a Christian who simply believes that Jesus died and was raised by God, but does not love his god or is neighbour?

Well see i personally think that each and every religion has its own savior and it's own God and if you follow their teachings you will side and be saved by that God or Lord.
The thing that gives me that impression comes from the Old Testament(a whole other can of worms)
I am more worried for the Atheist followers Not believing in a stronger power and life after death just because Science "can't" or better yet wont explain or investigate it.

Thanks for your reply, LM-R. But, having done what Jesus is saying that is Love thy neighbour - what is the point of becomming a Christian? Why are the labels required?

And those links you provided in all the different bible versions they say to love the Lord 'your' God - or 'thy' which means your.

But, now I have another question :) - your religion as a Catholic says that the only way to salvation is through Jesus, as such how do you feel that people of other religions are able to be saved?

Possibly you feel you have already answered this when you said above that you feel that they will be saved by their own God, but as a Catholic you are required to believe in there only being one God - so, how would that work?

Whats loving someone got to do with Religion ?

I dont think you have been reading to well ?
Um I'm not Catholic I said I am Greek Orthodox ?

Now is seeming more of an attack/challenge on justifying my choice in being a Christian.

I dont mind answering Questions at all but when the questions become repetitive on challenging my choice in Religion , one comes to think their is an agenda behind them?

Sorry but thats the feeling thats coming across here

[Seikou-Kishi]

Teakai doesn't attack people for their beliefs. Your feelings are valid, but you have misunderstood.

[crosby]

hi Teakai, thanks for the vid. years ago i learned that the word bible stood for: basic instructions before leaving earth. i'm glad that someone is finally able to break it down into a literal meaning.
regards, corson

[Teakai]

Whats loving someone got to do with Religion ?

I dont think you have been reading to well ?
Um I'm not Catholic I said I am Greek Orthodox ?

Now is seeming more of an attack/challenge on justifying my choice in being a Christian.

I dont mind answering Questions at all but when the questions become repetitive on challenging my choice in Religion , one comes to think their is an agenda behind them?

Sorry but thats the feeling thats coming across here

Sorry you feel that way LM-R. Unfortunately this is the way of many of my conversations in regard to religion. All I really want is to understand their understanding. But they get defensive and the conversation dies because I just don't want to do the agitated thing.

Also - sorry about mistaking your religion. But, I still thought Christians believed in there being only one God.



Whats loving someone got to do with Religion ?


That's just it. I'd say nothing. Jesus' message was all about loving.

[Teakai]

Teakai doesn't attack people for their beliefs. Your feelings are valid, but you have misunderstood.

True dat, Seikou. I just want to understand.

I have come to think that within all religions are connections to truth if you look hard enough and pick through the doctrine - Religions are a bit like a reversed pearl. Muck built around a beautiful gem.
Only it seems one has to already know the truth in order to recognise it within religion.

I have wondered if people are religious because they feel something is required rather than nothing and so one picks the religion that suits them best. But I dunno. My experience thus far is that answers - especially logical answers, are short on the ground. There seem to be so many contradictions.

But as far as judging someone for their religion - never! They could tell me that it makes no sense whatseover, they don't understand any of it, but they want to call themselves a Christian. I'd be totally cool about that. They can tell me that they have cherry picked what they believe and left the rest, no worries. They can tell me to mind my own business and that would work too :)
But, being a nos.... an inquisitive person, I'm interested in understanding the psychology involved.

:)

[LM-R]

Whats loving someone got to do with Religion ?

I dont think you have been reading to well ?
Um I'm not Catholic I said I am Greek Orthodox ?

Now is seeming more of an attack/challenge on justifying my choice in being a Christian.

I dont mind answering Questions at all but when the questions become repetitive on challenging my choice in Religion , one comes to think their is an agenda behind them?

Sorry but thats the feeling thats coming across here

Sorry you feel that way LM-R. Unfortunately this is the way of many of my conversations in regard to religion. All I really want is to understand their understanding. But they get defensive and the conversation dies because I just don't want to do the agitated thing.

Also - sorry about mistaking your religion. But, I still thought Christians believed in there being only one God.



Whats loving someone got to do with Religion ?


That's just it. I'd say nothing. Jesus' message was all about loving.

Thank you for clarifying that Teakai, I hope you understand where i was coming from. Its not easy to understand the way the Questions are asked in over a forum, you cant see ones facial expressions,body language and tone.

Yes most Christians aren't fully aware on the teachings of the bible, If read "properly" they would understand that there are other god's, it is mentioned a few times, It even says we can be god's but not like God

[9eagle9]

Which coincides how many Christian faiths leave the scripture out of verbal expression of faith. When Christians get their act straight about what an expression of Christian faith is, perhaps those on the outside looking in may as well. As I say here, if you don't comprehend your faith one expects others to understand it?

Christians splintered around their dogma and for those who are not of the faith we are expected to respect and honor every splinter that pops up daily that disagrees with the central body of the faith?








No it is not a requirement that the bible be taken as the unadulterated word of God.

The only requirement is " if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead" Taken from the book of Romans, but it is said through out different chapters and books in the bible.
The rest are just "bonuses";)

Hi LM-R, thanks for your answer. :)

Another thing that I've noticed from the bible is that Jesus says one thing - which is "love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbour as you love yourself" (paraphrased) and "Those who love me will do as I say."
And then Paul says - all you gotta do is believe that Jesus died for your sins, or that God raised Jesus from the dead - as you have in your post.
To me these come across as different messages. Jesus is saying how one must 'be'. And the other is saying that all one has to do is believe something to be true and that's enough.

In which case (as I see it) any person who loves the Lord their God with all their heart and their neighbour as themsleves is doing what Jesus said, whether they be Moslem, or Hindi, or Jew etc, than a Christian who does not put that action into practise but simply believes that God raised Jesus from the dead.

How do you see that?

Ok you are taking it out of context as many people do by mistake as they read the Bible.
What Jesus said in your post are ways to be a better person, what Paul said is How to become a Christian
As i said loving thy neighbor and what not is not a prequisite of being Christian they are ways of becoming a better person/Christian.

A lot of people like to pray to Saints and Mary, I did too at one stage but now i only pray to God and thank him for giving the power to other Saints to do his work. I see it like God is the main Man and without his consent none of his sidekicks can help.

[Deedee]

Hi Teakai,

I just newly discovered the Gospel of Thomas... I find it fascinating... I learned about one of the hidden messages in #62 here... Interpretation discovered. stand in front of a mirror and raise your right hand
you know this is your right hand, NOW become your image in the mirror and you see in the mirror your left hand being raised. Your image is in a mirror world. I'm still learning some of the other interpretations.. If anyone has some answers to share I would greatly appreciate the insight.
The Nag Hammadi Library

The Gospel of Thomas

Translated by Thomas O. Lambdin

(Visit the Gospel of Thomas Collection for additional information)

These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.

(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."



Hi DeeDee. I think the gospel of Thomas is very profound. I think the gnostic teachings have been deliberately left out of the bible as there is too much knowledge in them. And the r/c church was after control.


Hi Teakai,

I think you are right about these gnostic teachings being deliberately left out of the bible as there is too much knowledge in them. I am very fortunate that I am in a place in my life where I am ready now to "receive" these teachings thanks to a great teacher of mine guiding me to them. You know who you are TB. As far as religions go, My Father is a Catholic, My Mother, Episcopelian, Grandmother a Jehovah's Witness and I did not judge any of them for the paths they took.

[LM-R]

Which coincides how many Christian faiths leave the scripture out of verbal expression of faith. When Christians get their act straight about what an expression of Christian faith is, perhaps those on the outside looking in may as well. As I say here, if you don't comprehend your faith one expects others to understand it?

Christians splintered around their dogma and for those who are not of the faith we are expected to respect and honor every splinter that pops up daily that disagrees with the central body of the faith?



I Don't expect you to understand it, i never did ?

I have gotten through some very hard challenges in my life some personal some family, which i wont share, but i will say that many a time God has helped me and my family and funnily enough each time he has, i or some family members know about it.
This is not a thing said to sway you to anything but those events and ones currently happening in my life basically tell me im on the right path.

You are supposed to respect and honor the persons decision and choice.

Who cares if someones Christian, Muslim, Scientologist,etc its about how it works for the individual, not for people to have pissing contests on the internet forums on who's is right or wrong.

If something doesn't and never will work for you do you sit and dwell on it or do you move on ?

[Teakai]

Yes most Christians aren't fully aware on the teachings of the bible, If read "properly" they would understand that there are other god's, it is mentioned a few times, It even says we can be god's but not like God

I wonder if the part where the gods are making man in their image is what is in the picture in the video posted in the very first post. Possibly this is the start of rh- bloodline??? It is the Pharoah and the Queen being DNA modified in the picture.

[RedeZra]

What is this Jewish Kleck guy saying

that we all have an alien inside of us ??

Wow why would you believe that

[LM-R]

Yes most Christians aren't fully aware on the teachings of the bible, If read "properly" they would understand that there are other god's, it is mentioned a few times, It even says we can be god's but not like God

I wonder if the part where the gods are making man in their image is what is in the picture in the video posted in the very first post. Possibly this is the start of rh- bloodline??? It is the Pharoah and the Queen being DNA modified in the picture.

Good Thinking, have a look at this graph of " blood types and people" and you may notice some weird occurances.

http://the-red-thread.net/blood.html

[RedeZra]

Good Thinking, have a look at this graph of " blood types and people" and you may notice some weird occurances.

http://the-red-thread.net/blood.html

So cows have about 800 blood types !

perhaps it's time to drop the infatuation with blood ?

[Teakai]

Good Thinking, have a look at this graph of " blood types and people" and you may notice some weird occurances.
http://the-red-thread.net/blood.html

This is also interesting. King Tut, Akhenaton's son was Rh-

"Tutankhamen R1b Not Caucasian’s 1R. 1Rb first appeared about 32,000 years ago as at that time and land area was the Basque and Cro-Magnon of northwestern France. It was of a mixed race with the Caucasian R1 with Rh pos (+) blood type. The R1b had a Rh negative (-) blood type as being the first negative blood type on all the Earth‘s species."
From: http://www.rhesusnegative.net/work/european-haplogroup-r1b-found-in-king-tuts-dna/