The Body Intelligence

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends,

There's been quite a lot of discussion about the Body Intelligence in other threads (like the Inelia thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread) and the Sacramento Seminar thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18497-Bill-Inelia-experimental-seminar-Sacramento-CA-Saturday-30-April)).

It seemed to be a helpful idea to compile it all together - at least as a starter.

Sepia is also very experienced working with the Body Intelligence, and presents the material in her own seminars.

It's a very broad and potentially complex subject. But here are the basics:

The Body Intelligence is a little like the engine management system of the car (= the body). It's not the driver. You're the driver.

What is not commonly understood is that this also reincarnates, and has memories of having managed previous bodies. So memories can get pretty tangled up sometimes if you (= soul or spirit) and your Body Intelligence have not been operating as a team together every lifetime.

It helps if you get along well, and understand one another, and can communicate well. It really is a teamwork thing.

The body will have different problems, hang-ups, concerns, preferences, anxieties and desires than you do as a god-like spiritual being. If you can support your body in the things it has attention on (like supporting a hard-working and loyal servant, which is what it essentially is), then it will repay you being a good 'manager' many times over.

Even if you came from Alpha Centauri, and have never been here before (or anywhere else, for that matter), you are still likely to team up with a Body Intelligence that is familiar with how things work 'down here' - and then the challenge is to form a good team as rapidly as possible. (That is not necessarily easy for either of you!)

The confusion about past lives sometimes is that the Body Intelligence has its own memories of everything it experienced in previous bodies - and they will feel like yours.

Some "past life memories" that feel very real indeed may not be yours at all. They may be the memories of the Body Intelligence. You may not have been there yourself.

Some beings/souls/spirits team up with the same Body Intelligence each lifetime - like an old and effective continuing partnership. However - and this is really important to understand - beings new to the planet will be partnering with a Body Intelligence who is a stranger.

Talking to your Body Intelligence is (or should be!) like talking to a friend. That friend might have all kinds of upsets, anxieties, concerns, and even traumas. How would you approach the subject to try to help?

Here are my own guidelines:






Be genuinely open, interested and non-judgmental. (The key word is genuinely - this cannot be faked!)
Listen carefully - without interruption, rejection or denial - when you sense a communication.
Acknowledge whatever you're told (which may be in the form of graphic images or feelings, rather than words).
Empathize with and have compassion for past suffering. (Many bodies have been forced to do things to other bodies which they do not like to do.)
Tell your body that you are willing to listen and help in any way.
Tell your body that there are techniques for relieving deeply held stress, and ask your body whether it would appreciate your support.
Ask your body if it needs anything right now (could be food, or water, or sleep, or a long walk, or a cuddle from another body).
Close by telling your body that you deeply appreciate all the work it does to support you in your mission.

Important note. If anyone reading this feels emotion when reading the above, this is your body's emotion, not yours. This is a direct indication that, like a person who has suffered and kept it to themselves for many years, there's someone listening at long last...

[Carmen]

I once asked my body intelligence what its name was! From what Bill has described thats what I dicern it was. The answer came back "Judith"!! That was so 'way out' cos it is not a name I would have picked!

[Kindling]

Hi Bill, I may be way off base here, but this is so interesting, and it reminds me of the concepts that Eckhart Tolle refers to as the pain body and the collective pain body. I will read through the other info in the links you provided. Just wanted to throw this thought out there because if it is similar, it would help me to understand. Maybe Sepia or Inelia can expand on this. Thanks!

[Heartsong]

I think my body must not like me and I can't say that I like it much either. It's operation and health seem fall short of carrying out my interests. How do I get it to "catch up" and sync with my objectives?

[loveandgratitude]

How you treat your body is how it treats you. Love your body and it will love you back.

Send lots of love to your body everyday and thank it for all the amazing things that it does. Fill love into your lungs every time you breathe. Fill love into our heart every time you listen to your heart beat. Fill your stomach with love everytime you eat. And when you sleep at night, thank your body for taking you where you needed to go.

[Karma Ninja]

Sometimes it feels like my mind and body are not synched up and act independently of one another.

I have this propensity for getting all emotional and overcome from music, movies and even just powerful moments in life where I am trying to control my emotions but I cannot. When I was young it manifested as a selfish anger and I lashed out at the smallest things. It was like I was constantly in a battle in which there were no other participants. The music I listened to was angry and the movies I gravitated towards were violent and reactionary. It was a daily fight. I was always the loser in these battles and I learned that my anger was a weak response to a strong emotion. I have the anger very much under control now.

Today it shows up as teary and emotional outburst where I want to cry at the things that make me happy or sad. Mostly happy things though... I don't know if this is me listening to my body intelligence or if I am just becoming a big softie. (Kids will do that to you...) I have said in a previous post how I had a moment where I was meditating and tears were just pouring out of my eyes and I couldn't explain why. I was neither sad nor happy but I was so at peace with myself. The days that followed were the best, like I was filled with a cosmic synchronicity. Everything went so smoothly in my life. I wonder if this was a moment where I was listening to my body.

Can anyone add to that or explain what happened to me that time? As I write this I am motivated to meditate so I think I will step away and do that and come back...

Peace

[Carmen]

I cry easily too Karma Ninja, mainly tears of joy. I would explain to you that when you meditated you dropped from the world of duality into the 'now' into 'beingness' and your God could flood you with its 'Presence and Peace. The veil is parted.

[DeDukshyn]

It's like you are driving a primate. It's there, like other animals, but you are driving it. You are the extra consciousness that 'controls' your body. That's how I'm going to consider it from now on. Weird, but I think one could be way more effective in general if you see it like that. Haha too funny, but it sure makes sense to me.

[MariaDine]

To Karmaninja

Emotional body release. Chacra clearing. If you were a reikian, that would be happening in a softer way. If not, still I would advise that you carry a rose quartz cristal in a chain, heart or timus level, so that the release, when it comes, is gentler. Also a watermelon turmaline or a unakite pendant would be good. You would have great benefits, if you meditate with these stones near by or in the palm of your left hand (the receiving hand).

Namasté

[pie'n'eal]

Bill,
Tibetans call this the subtle body, consisting of winds channels and energy. Lung, nadi and tigle.
When we feel ill at ease or excited the wind (lung) energy is too high in the body, there is a practise
to bring it down to below the navel...where it should be.

pie'n'eal

[astrid]

Yes that was my question, i'm not familiar with the term, "body intelligence" its thrown me a bit.
This is the same as the "the subtle body" yes??

Which is what the TIbetans call it.

[pie'n'eal]

Yes that was my question, i'm not familiar with the term, "body intelligence" its thrown me a bit.
This is the same as the "the subtle body" yes??

Which is what the TIbetans call it.


Totally correct!!
I do this practise everyday. In the west most of our problems are in the subtle body. We are too alert, too emotional.
You could say, too conscious! We lack the empty aspect of our nature. We want...interesting...lots of it!!!
We are very clever, but miss the point. So a residue is left in the subtle body.

It's the self cherishing "I" that is the problem. Better to work with a 'mere I'. Barely there...

Losing the "I" is enlightenment! As we are not there yet the 'mereI' is workable.

kind regards
pie'n'eal

[Nortreb]

It is my opinion that this is a very important thread to be studied and implemented as it relates to a hidden science that has been used to imprison the masses by manipulating the Body Intelligence. Please note that this program is not working as it use to and the mass of distractions in our environment are clear signs that it is not working. :cool:

From my research, there is a symbolic thread of this ancient science that links all of the ancient cultures to the mystery that is within the BODY. Sepia’s work is very comprehensive in relating to this experience. Her work reminds me of the symbolic legend of the “Book of Seven Seals” which is actually the body.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17056-Enlightenment-Practical-steps


Yoga, Tai Chi, Qigong, Trance dancing, etc are subtle branches of this hidden science which can be customized to each individual using the power of Intent/Imagination:

The Mind is the presence of intention

The Breath is the flow of intention.

The Eyes are the focus of intention

Movement is the action of intention

The Body is the object of intention

Many thanks for this important and monumental thread, Bill.

[pie'n'eal]

It is my opinion that this is a very important thread to be studied and implemented as it relates to a hidden science that has been used to imprison the masses by manipulating the Body Intelligence. Please note that this program is not working as it use to and the mass of distractions in our environment are clear signs that it is not working. :cool:

From my research, there is a symbolic thread of this ancient science that links all of the ancient cultures to the mystery that is within the BODY. Sepia’s work is very comprehensive in relating to this experience. Her work reminds me of the symbolic legend of the “Book of Seven Seals” which is actually the body.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17056-Enlightenment-Practical-steps


Yoga, Tai Chi, Qigong, Trance dancing, etc are subtle branches of this hidden science which can be customized to each individual using the power of Intent/Imagination:

The Mind is the presence of intention

The Breath is the flow of intention.

The Eyes are the focus of intention

Movement is the action of intention

The Body is the object of intention

Many thanks for this important and monumental thread, Bill.

Please explain what you mean by intention!

[pie'n'eal]

It is my opinion that this is a very important thread to be studied and implemented as it relates to a hidden science that has been used to imprison the masses by manipulating the Body Intelligence. Please note that this program is not working as it use to and the mass of distractions in our environment are clear signs that it is not working. :cool:

From my research, there is a symbolic thread of this ancient science that links all of the ancient cultures to the mystery that is within the BODY. Sepia’s work is very comprehensive in relating to this experience. Her work reminds me of the symbolic legend of the “Book of Seven Seals” which is actually the body.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17056-Enlightenment-Practical-steps


Yoga, Tai Chi, Qigong, Trance dancing, etc are subtle branches of this hidden science which can be customized to each individual using the power of Intent/Imagination:

The Mind is the presence of intention

The Breath is the flow of intention.

The Eyes are the focus of intention

Movement is the action of intention

The Body is the object of intention

Many thanks for this important and monumental thread, Bill.

Please explain what you mean by intention!
Dear Nortreb,

Isn't this all to get to the subtle, the very subtle?
These are just tools.

pie'n'eal

[Nortreb]

Please explain what you mean by intention!
Dear Nortreb,

Isn't this all to get to the subtle, the very subtle?
These are just tools.

pie'n'eal


Hi pie'n'eal,
You are correct these are just tools.

What did you use to type your message? Intention from my view was used.

Peace to you.

[pie'n'eal]

Please explain what you mean by intention!
Dear Nortreb,

Isn't this all to get to the subtle, the very subtle?
These are just tools.

pie'n'eal


Hi pie'n'eal,
You are correct these are just tools.

What did you use to type your message? Intention from my view was used.

Peace to you.

Dear Nortreb,

I used consciousness via a keyboard!
With the intention of communicating, consciousness to consciousness.

I still do not know your intention. I am not having a go at you, but sometime (quite a bit)
this site sounds like Chinese whispers, the intention is well meaning, but it sounds fluffy.

[Ria]

Thank you for that, it makes perfect sense.
Having done quit a lot of past life regression,
Some stuff you really resonate well to, others not.

[Nortreb]

Dear Nortreb,

I used consciousness via a keyboard!
With the intention of communicating, consciousness to consciousness.

I still do not know your intention. I am not having a go at you, but sometime (quite a bit)
this site sounds like Chinese whispers, the intention is well meaning, but it sounds fluffy.

Hi pie'n'eal,
I understand your point on "fluff" which points to the limitation of the use of language espcially English to describe an experience.

There are many tools that can be used to create this experience and many more to describe the experience. For example as you noted, I am using "intention" as my description and you use "consciousness".

It is my opinion of this thread that the only thing that matters for each individual is to find what works for them to tune into this intelligence.

BTW, my research goes way beyond China. I am using reflection from previous incarnations.

Peace to you.

Nortreb

[pie'n'eal]

Dear Nortreb,

I used consciousness via a keyboard!
With the intention of communicating, consciousness to consciousness.

I still do not know your intention. I am not having a go at you, but sometime (quite a bit)
this site sounds like Chinese whispers, the intention is well meaning, but it sounds fluffy.

Hi pie'n'eal,
I understand your point on "fluff" which points to the limitation of the use of language espcially English to describe an experience.

There are many tools that can be used to create this experience and many more to describe the experience. For example as you noted, I am using "intention" as my description and you use "consciousness".

It is my opinion of this thread that the only thing that matters for each individual is to find what works for them to tune into this intelligence.

BTW, my research goes way beyond China. I am using reflection from previous incarnations.

Peace to you.

Nortreb

Ah! ha!
Now that sounds interesting...!
Do let me know what you find out.
Personally l don't have much intelligence and what I do have...I don't trust!

all the best

pie'n'eal

[hohoemi]

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Some beings/souls/spirits team up with the same Body Intelligence each lifetime - like an old and effective continuing partnership. However - and this is really important to understand - beings new to the planet will be partnering with a Body Intelligence who is a stranger.



thank you for starting this thread!

there's something i've been wondering about ever since i read some other version of the above statement:

if you say that some body intelligences team up with the same being for every incarnation (and beings new to earth team up with an experienced body intelligence) - does that mean that some beings, who reincarnate on earth often, partner up with different body intelligences on a regular basis?

also, what happens with body intelligences who for some reason no longer incarnate here on earth? can they go on to other planets? or is there some non-incarnating type of existence for them beyond life, just like for us?
the different accounts i've read of body intelligences give it very different degrees of consciousness/individuality/agency, so i'm really not sure whether to think of it as an immortal being or some kind of programme that runs in the background, or anything in between...

(and for anyone can and does answer these questions: where did your knowledge come from? personal experience? books you've read? links you can provide? etc.)

thanks :)

[lightwalker]

EFT...Emotional freedom Technique will clear up a lot of the discomfort that you may experience. It is free, it is easy and you can find all sorts of wonderful videos on doing it.

From my opinion...it is still all you, just a bit fragmented , but good to know what you are dealing with.

lightwalker

[9eagle9]

Bill,

Do you have any advice or guidelines for people in managing the 'roles' that are emerge when this sort of work is performed?

[Leprechaun]

I don’t know if this is the right place to post this, but I’m sure that if there is a better place someone will kindly tell me.

Before starting this post I would just like to frame it by saying I’m not 100% sure where it is coming from; whether it is a conscious organic thought that has been generated by me making a link to other works I’ve read i.e. an amalgam of a linkage of many works; whether it has come to me intuitively, and by intuitively I mean from my higher self (subconscious/Daemon); or whether it has come from another source altogether - but such speculation isn’t the purpose of this post, that can form another discussion.

My main purpose here is to put down (indeed I feel almost compelled to), the thoughts\ideas that I have.

Here goes.

To begin the catalyst for this post began whilst I was reviewing the Charles & Bill Summary post
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13528-Charles-Bill-Q-A-Summary, in particular the part pertaining to The 33 and Charles Master.

I have, as I’m sure most on this forum have, come across the idea of the `bloodline families` obsession with maintaining bloodline purity, which suggests a need to maintain the genetic\DNA purity. Hold this thought awhile, but at the same time consider why this might be so important.

Whilst reading the section on the 33 it was suggested that there is a supposition that they [the 33] reincarnate with full knowledge of their previous lives. It was also suggested that "the only thing separating The 33 and us is extraordinary knowledge". Would this suggest that we and the 33 share similarities on some level.

When I read this, I made what I feel may be an important link, how significant it is, if at all, I don’t know, but I present it here out of compunction and for consideration by those who may be far wiser and more intuitive than I.

If Somehow the DNA of the 33 is important, evidenced by their desire\obsession to maintain its integrity at all costs, could it be perhaps that the DNA in someway plays a part in allowing them to maintain conscious memory of former incarnations. And if as suggested the only thing that separates them from us is great knowledge, might not this knowledge be that of the importance of DNA (to abilities), as well as a knowledge perhaps of the ability to manipulate (for positive and negative [self-serving] purposes) the structure of DNA.

I have heard it said elsewhere that the true role\purpose of DNA might not be simply that of determining the make-up of the biological body, but more importantly, it may represent some sort of (crystalline\decoding) apparatus, that links the biological and spiritual bodies (as above so below).

If this is true, might not knowledge of this be held as important, indeed important enough for those whose DNA is `of a sort` that allows them to possess abilities that would put them at an advantage in terms of maintaining their control. I am reminded here of the film `Highlander` - if perhaps you have been around for (multiple conscious reincarnations) might you not have amassed a great deal of knowledge and power, knowledge and power that you might want to keep to yourself. And here I’m not suggesting that this might not be a wise/prudent thing. If you have been around for millennia you may indeed be in possession of wisdoms that those who might be in amnesia of their past lives (through a different DNA structure). My last point about the 33 is that they, as suggested in the Q&A summary are a distinct (and far older) group that what are conspired to be the Elite/Illuminati (? Military Industrial Complex \ Banking factions), and as such may have far older (wiser perhaps) agendas than do their more modern secret societies.

Concerning Charles Master and returning to the DNA aspect of things, it is stated that this Master has been a member of the 33 for 5000 years, perhaps so as multiple conscious reincarnations. Certainly if DNA plays a role in securing conscious memory of former lives it is not inconceivable for this to be the case. And knowledge of former lives and perhaps the figuring out of DNA`s role in this would fit with the idea that the 33 are afraid of no-one (other than each other). The other thing that occurred to me was given how little we the majority of humanity actually know about the role and function(s) of DNA, might it not be able to convey other seemingly god-like abilities.

The last thing I would like to say before finishing is, if DNA, as it feels to me ,is a Key component of humanities history; and if it is able to decode vibrational frequencies (from other dimensional realities) to perhaps make manifest in this world elements present in other dimensional realities i.e. act as a conduit for (two-way) travel between worlds, might this explain the testimonies of all those within the so called alternative community who have been telling us for years that there are other realities.

I know I have rambled a bit, and would seek everyone’s understanding, but as I said in the opening to this post I have felt compelled to share this for what it’s worth.

Humbly shared for Openess, Honesty and the search for Truth
Leprechaun

[9eagle9]

]I don’t know if this is the right place to post this, but I’m sure that if there is a better place someone will kindly tell me.

I think its appropriate all things being relative and the issue of subconscious embedding and body memory and genetic material is quite related to what you speak of.

Before starting this post I would just like to frame it by saying I’m not 100% sure where it is coming from....(snip);I mean from my higher self (subconscious/Daemon); or whether it has come from another source altogether - but such speculation isn’t the purpose of this post, that can form another discussion.


All things being relative all the better. Know that you are onto this you will begin to see it expressed ....

Whilst reading the section on the 33 it was suggested that there is a supposition that they [the 33] reincarnate with full knowledge of their previous lives.

The druids knew of this phenom as well. Planned intersection of spiritual and physical bloodlines. Call it self engineering. This is not knowledge that is enabled or expressed only in ELITE bloodlines. Its simply been shrouded from us and become occult in nature. Of course they don't want US to know about it but...the blood line tells. It speaks on it's own behalf if one learns to listen. Or if one is willing to be shown and not told. Other blood lines have the ability . Coincidentally ... it was the cultures that contained those blood lines that have been most destroyed by...ahem...elite bloodlines. . But their still out there. Their self preserving.

It was also suggested that "the only thing separating The 33 and us is extraordinary knowledge". Would this suggest that we and the 33 share similarities on some level.


As noted above. ...'extraordinary knowledge' but not secret. After all you have it dawning on the horizon of your consciouness.

When I read I made what I feel may be a link.


There is and you are on the right track.

If Somehow the DNA of the 33 is important, evidenced by their desire\obsession to maintain its integrity at all costs, could it be perhaps that the DNA in someway plays a part in allowing them to maintain conscious memory of former incarnations.

Yes.

And if as suggested the only thing that separates them from us is great knowledge, might not this knowledge be that of the importance of DNA (to abilities), as well as a knowledge perhaps of the ability to manipulate (for positive and negative [self-serving] purposes) the structure of DNA.



I. I am reminded here of the film `Highlander` -


My my I so would love to pick your brain....

That isn't a coincidence. there's an implication here, there and everwhere, that there is an ultimate bloodline and ....'they' ain't it. "There can be only one. " (a figure of speech)

They've torn the earth apart looking for that bloodline, I'm sure and I sympathize (rude noise) with their inability to sleep at night over this rogue strain. Not they don't know where they are, they do. They are just helpless to do anything about them at this point. They know it.

Highlander is a expression of something that is being played out at this very moment and has been for years. We've seen more and more of reality being played out on the Silver Screen . Our physical expression of it is merely a reflection of something hat is occurring at unseen level of existence. Creative types stumble into that drama ...and..That too is probably part of the Matrix Game.


My last point about the 33 is that they, as suggested in the Q&A summary are a distinct (and far older) group that what are conspired to be the Elite/Illuminati (? Military Industrial Complex \ Banking factions), and as such may have far older (wiser perhaps) agendas than do their more modern secret societies.


Are they? ARE THEY? I mean its easy for them to say they are and I'm not denying their old. And wise, and everything else but would they really say if there were another and more bloodlines that were equal to them? Bloodlines are self persevering its coded in there. Not all bloodlines are meddling in world affairs though. We aren't aware of them overtly for a reason.


Thanks for your expression, you will of course continue this line of speculative intuition--it gets into your blood ;)

[Leprechaun]

Are they? ARE THEY? I mean its easy for them to say they are and I'm not denying their old. And wise, and everything else but would they really say if there were another and more bloodlines that were equal to them? Bloodlines are self persevering its coded in there. Not all bloodlines are meddling in world affairs though. We aren't aware of them overtly for a reason.

I agree, and all of the above hangs on the proposition that the DNA of the bloodlines is the mechanistic key that conveys full conscious lifetime after lifetime recall

PS you can pick my brain if you wish, Im sure there is one in here somewhere

[Agape]

Yes that was my question, i'm not familiar with the term, "body intelligence" its thrown me a bit.
This is the same as the "the subtle body" yes??

Which is what the TIbetans call it.


Nope. All is interconnected of course but the system , the concept is different , they are many different systems found in the tantric teachings and they correlate together more complicated way than you would expect.

The subtle body = more precisely energy body you refer to comes from Vedantic and also yogic school of Indian tradition, later it was translated, transeferred to other cultures and systems, including Chinese and Tibetan.

There are 6 to 7 bodies with different density levels according to Vedas.

Sthula Sharira is so called the Gross Body , the one that feeds on gross food, it's like the peel of an orange , it's the coarsest part of what we seem to be .
It's also called Annamaya Kosha , from Annam = food , Kosha= Sheet.

Sukshma Sharira , the Subtle Body contains Pranamaya Kosha , the Energetic Body with channels, drops, and chakras , the one that feeds on energy in many forms, the one you work with in pranayama and tai-chi and chi-kung, acupuncture and so and so forth.
It's called Pranamaya Kosha = Energy Sheet.

Then you have Manomaya Kosha = Mental Sheet, mental body that is of course related to the previous ones but has its own energy and vibrational level,
and can act independently to some measure. It's often called 'astral body' or 'dream body' , in other cultures and branches of esoterics.
It's where your lower mental activity is going on all the time.

It has two levels in itself, described as Manasa Sharira = Mind Body
and Ahamkara = the Ego sense.

Ahamkara forms a separate category because it's your identity sense in itself .
The name that describes it is funny , Aham-kara means it's saying 'me me me' all the time.

Beyond that ,

there's Vijnanamaya Kosha , the Intellect ( discrimination ) Body or Knowledge Body .It is where your abstract thinking, systematic ideas come from and where they are processed , it's this Knowledge Body that enables you higher maths type of thinking and communication with Universe .

Karana Sharira = the Body of Causality contains Vijnanamaya Kosha

and Anandamaya Kosha = the Body of Bliss .Causal Body is more subtle than the Subtle , and it is beyond Self ..the lower self sense that is. It is often inaccessible unless you take deep breath and do lots of meditation,
it contains the very intentions and seed causes of your birth and intentions, as well as connection to all Life in big way.


Typing this I found a page where they talk exactly about the correlation between Vedantic ( Yoga ) concept and Buddhist concept of 3 Buddha Bodies .

Their inter-relationships are as follows:

1) The manifestation body which is understood as the gross physical body, the sthula sharira, annamaya kosha, or nirmanakaya vehicle of the Buddhas. (all being somewhat interchangeable names in an overall integrated system of linked multiple dimensions)

2) The energy body, the subtle body, the light body of form, sukshma sharira; the combination of the pranamaya kosha, manomaya kosha, vijnanamaya kosha, is equivalent to the Buddhist sambhogakaya vehicle of the Buddhas as the more subtle (less coarse) dimension of being.

3) The Universal Soul Body, Divine Body, God's Body, the anandamaya kosha, the causal body (karana sharira), vajra body, rainbow light body, the seed body, diamond heart, and the Dharmakaya vehicle of the Buddhas. Herein we will place the Divine Body, the Hiranyagarbha kosha, the Golden seed body, the tathagatagarbha the womb of all Buddhas. Likewise the karana sharira is called the seed of all seeds -- the cause of all, but that which has no cause of itself.

http://www.rainbowbody.com/newarticles/energybody.htm



Now, you may forget this all if you want to understand what are they talking about with body intelligence.

It's very close to the Buddhist Tantric System as a matter of fact but not to do straight away with energies.


Buddhist system sais you have seeds of 3 enlightened bodies, and they are called Body, Speech and Mind.


Let it not mistake you , Speech Body and Mind Body are also understood as Bodies.


If they evolve to their full potential they are the Manifestation Body = Nirmanakya ,

Enjoyment Body = Sambhogakaya and Truth Body = Dharmakaya of Buddha.Each has a power and potential to act as a separate entity on their respective levels of activity and manifestation.



And so forth........



:angel:

[sepia]

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Thank you Bill, for referring to my work.

Although I teach communication with the Body-Intelligence for many years, I haven't published anything on this work yet.

The reason for that? It can be quite tricky - and one can easily go astray...

(That's why I actually prefer to teach it in classes.)




To get in touch with the Body-Intelligence has not exactly the same quality like getting in touch with another being. It is more like communicating with an anmal.
.
If you take it on the same level as you are, you very easily get in touch with a being who likes to sit there and being listend and talked to...
.
The body intelligence usually doesn't use words in it's communication.
.
It has it's limitations and it's abilities - it's good when you know them.
.
Listening is more important than talking to it.
.
Physical symptoms may have other causes, and before those are found, the Body-Intelligence will not be able to heal the symptoms.


But anyhow: I wish you lots of fun exploring this principle.

Best wishes Sepia

[bearcow]

Yes that was my question, i'm not familiar with the term, "body intelligence" its thrown me a bit.
This is the same as the "the subtle body" yes??

Which is what the TIbetans call it.


Nope. All is interconnected of course but the system , the concept is different , they are many different systems found in the tantric teachings and they correlate together more complicated way than you would expect.

The subtle body = more precisely energy body you refer to comes from Vedantic and also yogic school of Indian tradition, later it was translated, transeferred to other cultures and systems, including Chinese and Tibetan.

There are 6 to 7 bodies with different density levels according to Vedas.

Sthula Sharira is so called the Gross Body , the one that feeds on gross food, it's like the peel of an orange , it's the coarsest part of what we seem to be .
It's also called Annamaya Kosha , from Annam = food , Kosha= Sheet.

Sukshma Sharira , the Subtle Body contains Pranamaya Kosha , the Energetic Body with channels, drops, and chakras , the one that feeds on energy in many forms, the one you work with in pranayama and tai-chi and chi-kung, acupuncture and so and so forth.
It's called Pranamaya Kosha = Energy Sheet.

Then you have Manomaya Kosha = Mental Sheet, mental body that is of course related to the previous ones but has its own energy and vibrational level,
and can act independently to some measure. It's often called 'astral body' or 'dream body' , in other cultures and branches of esoterics.
It's where your lower mental activity is going on all the time.

It has two levels in itself, described as Manasa Sharira = Mind Body
and Ahamkara = the Ego sense.

Ahamkara forms a separate category because it's your identity sense in itself .
The name that describes it is funny , Aham-kara means it's saying 'me me me' all the time.

Beyond that ,

there's Vijnanamaya Kosha , the Intellect ( discrimination ) Body or Knowledge Body .It is where your abstract thinking, systematic ideas come from and where they are processed , it's this Knowledge Body that enables you higher maths type of thinking and communication with Universe .

Karana Sharira = the Body of Causality contains Vijnanamaya Kosha

and Anandamaya Kosha = the Body of Bliss .Causal Body is more subtle than the Subtle , and it is beyond Self ..the lower self sense that is. It is often inaccessible unless you take deep breath and do lots of meditation,
it contains the very intentions and seed causes of your birth and intentions, as well as connection to all Life in big way.


Typing this I found a page where they talk exactly about the correlation between Vedantic ( Yoga ) concept and Buddhist concept of 3 Buddha Bodies .

Their inter-relationships are as follows:

1) The manifestation body which is understood as the gross physical body, the sthula sharira, annamaya kosha, or nirmanakaya vehicle of the Buddhas. (all being somewhat interchangeable names in an overall integrated system of linked multiple dimensions)

2) The energy body, the subtle body, the light body of form, sukshma sharira; the combination of the pranamaya kosha, manomaya kosha, vijnanamaya kosha, is equivalent to the Buddhist sambhogakaya vehicle of the Buddhas as the more subtle (less coarse) dimension of being.

3) The Universal Soul Body, Divine Body, God's Body, the anandamaya kosha, the causal body (karana sharira), vajra body, rainbow light body, the seed body, diamond heart, and the Dharmakaya vehicle of the Buddhas. Herein we will place the Divine Body, the Hiranyagarbha kosha, the Golden seed body, the tathagatagarbha the womb of all Buddhas. Likewise the karana sharira is called the seed of all seeds -- the cause of all, but that which has no cause of itself.

http://www.rainbowbody.com/newarticles/energybody.htm



Now, you may forget this all if you want to understand what are they talking about with body intelligence.

It's very close to the Buddhist Tantric System as a matter of fact but not to do straight away with energies.


Buddhist system sais you have seeds of 3 enlightened bodies, and they are called Body, Speech and Mind.


Let it not mistake you , Speech Body and Mind Body are also understood as Bodies.


If they evolve to their full potential they are the Manifestation Body = Nirmanakya ,

Enjoyment Body = Sambhogakaya and Truth Body = Dharmakaya of Buddha.Each has a power and potential to act as a separate entity on their respective levels of activity and manifestation.



And so forth........



:angel:


To clarify for the beginner, there are different types of energy in the body, when that particular layer of the onion has reached its full creative/energetic potential, that "body" becomes actualized. It should be noted that the higher bodies agape refers to have very little if any actualization in the average individual, so it's better to think of the Anandamaya Kosha or the Nirmanakya etc as a potentiality rather than a practical manifested aspect of the average persons personality. To have a bliss body you must cultivate it.

[Mystique]

It is very synchronistic, Bill, that you started this thread as I woke up this morning with questions regarding the body intelligence and went PA and found this thread today.

My questions are:
What is the construct of the body intelligence that allows it to keep its intelligence as its form (physical manifestation) dissipates (dies) and re-manifests (birthed) into new form?

The construct of the intelligence cannot be linked to DNA because I am assuming that because each body comes from different parents with different DNA that DNA is not the blueprint the intelligence uses. Is that assumption right?

So, if that is true, then is the intelligence formless - something similar to epigenetics, more like a field of intelligence without a physical blueprint like DNA - that manifests different bodies?

In other words, what is it that leaps from physical form to physical form?

And if its formless and intelligent (i.e. aware) how is that formless consciousness different than the formless consciousness that is the eternal fragment of Oversoul that links with it?

What are the distinctions between body formless consciousness and the aspect of Oversoul we call Self - which is also formless consciousness? And what is it that links the two?

What I am getting to is if we are human/reptilian hybrids, then we have been both individualized aspects of Eternal Oversouls who have been individualized Non-Eternal Reptilian Overlords as part of our genetic history. So all this Master/Slave drama on this level is really body politics and has nothing to do with Reality on the Oversoul level - since it is Eternal and beyond bodies. Am I right?

[Agape]

To clarify for the beginner, there are different types of energy in the body, when that particular layer of the onion has reached its full creative/energetic potential, that "body" becomes actualized. It should be noted that the higher bodies agape refers to have very little if any actualization in the average individual, so it's better to think of the Anandamaya Kosha or the Nirmanakya etc as a potentiality rather than a practical manifested aspect of the average persons personality. To have a bliss body you must cultivate it.

There's a path to it of course ...suppose you can avoid the pitfalls...but either way, it's where human evolution is heading to in longer profile ..


For the path ...for example in Guhyasamaja Tantra ..

you achieve through certain meditation stages which happen simply any time spontaneously, in human life as all these extraordinary realizations are also but natural part of human intelligence ..

isolated perceptions, emotions, ideas and concepts

they are also called purified perceptions, emotions, ideas and concepts .


It can start with developing pure insight to reality, one way or another,

sharpened sense of vision, hearing, smell , touch and so forth,

isolated feelings , ideas, concepts ..

untill you find sense of so called isolated body , or better all of them ..


From there...you are need to get initiation to the higher archetype of your Self , as Wisdom Being,

and contemplate all in your body and environment, say as parts or manifestation of a temple, Buddha Body, Speech and Mind.


The path is very straight but as I've said one needs to avoid the pitfalls ..



:angel:

[Leprechaun]

Re: The Body Intelligence
It is very synchronistic, Bill, that you started this thread as I woke up this morning with questions regarding the body intelligence and went PA and found this thread today.

My questions are:
What is the construct of the body intelligence that allows it to keep its intelligence as its form (physical manifestation) dissipates (dies) and re-manifests (birthed) into new form?

The construct of the intelligence cannot be linked to DNA because I am assuming that because each body comes from different parents with different DNA that DNA is not the blueprint the intelligence uses. Is that assumption right?

So, if that is true, then is the intelligence formless - something similar to epigenetics, more like a field of intelligence without a physical blueprint like DNA - that manifests different bodies?

In other words, what is it that leaps from physical form to physical form?

And if its formless and intelligent (i.e. aware) how is that formless consciousness different than the formless consciousness that is the eternal fragment of Oversoul that links with it?

What are the distinctions between body formless consciousness and the aspect of Oversoul we call Self - which is also formless consciousness? And what is it that links the two?

What I am getting to is if we are human/reptilian hybrids, then we have been both individualized aspects of Eternal Oversouls who have been individualized Non-Eternal Reptilian Overlords as part of our genetic history. So all this Master/Slave drama on this level is really body politics and has nothing to do with Reality on the Oversoul level - since it is Eternal and beyond bodies. Am I right?


Mystique, you pose an interesting point here and a very valid one if the idea that DNA is somehow the vehicle for the connection of the biological (physical) to higher dimensional bodies and a multigenerational passage of consciousness. This is something I had considered when posing my original question too. In trying to answer this within the framework of my original question I posit a possibility thus:

Could it be that DNA posseses both a function that sees individual characteristics (on a biological) level passed on, as well as having a function (universal) of being capable, and I choose that word carefully, of allowing full conscious recall of previous lifes as well as potentially other abilities.

The Genome Project, which I suggest may be (as NASA is to the secret space program) be the public front for a much greater understanding of genetics, an understanding that mint be way way ahead of where we the public believe we are at with regards to genetic engineering

[Leprechaun]

Certainly if true this is something that those with the right DNA gene sequences "switched on" as it were would want to maintain through knowledge of bloodline genetics and control of this. Is it so hard a leap of belief, given the testimonies and circumstantial speculation surrounding the activities of the bloodline families/the 33 to accept the premise that those in the know may be far far more advanced with regards to genetic engineering.

Incidentally looking at symbol of the freemasons, the Compass and Set Square with the Capital G

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQX2YqxY5Lv-iT9O3pKfxT1vg-lP_tGL-G5usHP5Ks461UChXL4Hg

Might we look at this from the perspective of genetics ? Is the G pointing us in the direction of looking at Genetics and might not Master Masons = Master Genetic Engineers.......

[ktlight]

Whilst I do understand about reincarnation of the spiritual I/me, I find it difficult to understand how the body (made of matter which disintegrates upon death) can reincarnate. Me/I am/is energy and therefore can never die, but the skin and all inside of it goes.

I understand about emotional intelligence and that I am the driver.

I understand about body intelligence in regard to knowing that it is important to listen to it.

But, I obviously need some education in order to understand that the body reincarnates. Even if my existing genetics indicates the line in life that I am following, surely half of this existing body would come from one parent and the other half from the other. So how would my existing body recognise itself, when there would be two avenues to find me.

So someone, please explain.

[Leprechaun]

This may be a bit simplistic but is it possible that it is the underlying shape/properties of the DNA molecule rather than the specific gene sequences that are inherited from our parents may in someway be the mechanism that conveys the abilities that the bloodlines seem intent on preserving. I would love to hear thoughts about how the genetic factor associated with the bloodlines/33 may confer the ability to live for 5000 yes etc. To my mind this longevity that has been eluded to must refer to a 5000 year memory over many incarnations rather than a single incarnation of 5000 years.

[Herbert]

Getting back to the body intelligence separate from DNA alone(DNA which can be changed by us if we know how and anyone into alchemy could probably learn to keep a healthy body for 5000 years)
First I wanted to share that I did what someone suggested here and asked my body what its name was. The answer shot back immediately – Amos. So I looked it up and I have to say the meaning seems very appropriate: “Borne or carried by divine spirit or god; strong”

I recently learned something I think relevant to this discussion from the making of the movie The Aviator about Howard Hughes’ undiagnosed at the time, obsessive compulsive behaviour. Treatment used to be a prefrontal lobotomy. But now a doctor has successfully been teaching these patients to use their left brain body intelligence to override the impulses. In much the way we all learn as maturing children that stepping on cracks will not really break your mother’s back. Or making a clicking noise before you pass a hydro pole will not make for a lucky day.

In other words we are all born with the possibility of reinforcing neurotic or psychotic behaviour in our body but we use our body intelligence to break those neural pathways. And as pointed out below, those pathways of the body are forming and reforming all our lives so it is up to us to make sure they are healthy ones.
That is what I now understand to be body intelligence.

I seldom post to threads where Avalon has plenty of experts on the topic. But in this case, I really found the concept of a body intelligence SEPARATE from DNA (which is racial family and probably Karma oriented) to be confusing. So I went to Deepak Chopra who is into quantum healing physics, because I really like his ability to explain complex topics in simple terms.


Your Body Intelligence
I define intelligence simply as “know-how.” Intelligence is present everywhere in our bodies. Our own intelligence is far superior to any we can try to substitute from the outside. Intelligence is more important than the actual matter of the body, since without it, that matter would be undirected, formless, and chaotic.
Ninety-eight percent of the atoms in your body were not there a year ago. The skeleton that seems so solid was not there three months ago. The configuration of the bone cells remains somewhat constant, but atoms of all kinds pass freely back and forth through the cell walls, and by that means you acquire a new skeleton every three months.
The skin is new every month. You have a new stomach lining every four days, with the actual surface cells that contact food being renewed every five minutes. The cells in the liver turn over very slowly, but new atoms still flow through them, like water in a river course, making a new liver every six weeks. Even within the brain, the content of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and so on is totally different today from a year ago.
Even though the rates of change may differ, change is always there. What I am calling “intelligence” takes on the role of guiding this change so that we do not collapse into a heap of bricks. That is one of the most obvious facts about the physiology, but intelligence is so changeable, so quick on the move–in other words, so alive–that medical textbooks devote almost no space at all to it.
Adapted from Quantum Healing: Exploring the Frontiers of Mind/Body Medicine, by Deepak Chopra (Bantam Books, 1990)
Your Silent Field of Intelligence
As long as you are surrounded by the input of life, there is no stopping the rush of events that makes us what we are. On the other hand, our nature may go deeper than the things we see and hear. There may be a zero point in us, like the point of zero vibration which gives rise to the entire spectrum of light.
If you stepped outside our thoughts, senses, and emotions, you would be left with the equivalent of empty space. But like the empty space of quantum physics, our “inner space” may not be empty at all. I would argue that our inner space is a rich field of silent intelligence, and that it exerts a powerful influence on us.
Intelligence is easily located and yet impossible to find. The body’s know-how seems to be the result of a complexity of parts, broken down according to functions–digestion, respiration, metabolism, and so on.
Although this division of labor is real enough, intelligence remains everywhere the same despite it, just as a drop of sea water shares the saltiness of the whole ocean.
The physical structure of the body mirrors intelligence and gives it a projected form, but intelligence is not trapped inside this framework of flesh and bones. Every impulse of intelligence is equally intelligent, opening up endless possible projections of mind into body.
The silent gap between thoughts turns out to be a central player, however, if you are interested in what lies beyond the thought. Every fraction of a second we are permitted a glimpse into another world, one that is inside us and yet obscurely out of reach.
The fascinating thing about intelligence is that it is like an arrow: you can use intelligence to shape a molecule, but if you look at the molecule, you cannot take the intelligence back out of it.
Adapted from Quantum Healing: Exploring the Frontiers of Mind/Body Medicine, by Deepak Chopra (Bantam Books, 1990).
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[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

One thing fabulous about Avalon is all the communicating going on which is wonderful and enlightening. Here it is that we also see how limiting labels and language is to understanding each other. It's no wonder in our past as spirits and in other dimensions, we used primarily telepathy. It's the primo way that uses images instead. We have the ability to get these senses restored now. This is something to ask to receive again.

For those who mentioned crying so often, I'd like to say that this is a definite part of the process of ascension. We've lived many lives that are to be integrated and brought together in a unity of purpose and understanding. We will be receiving further assistance but many times, even as we sleep, our bodies, minds, spirits, and souls, are going through and sorting all that we've experienced, analyzing it, comprehending, and getting rid of the chaff that is no longer needed. Crying is a symptom that this is clearly taking place and it's a good sign ~ no matter how awkward or uninvited.

Your body is also a Temple of the most high and it's carried you through thick and thin, a whole lot of thin, if you ask me ; ) So we must love and cherish it for all it's been through with us over the years. In a way, it is required that we do this before we can even begin to love others. This is not to say ~ selfishness ~ that's been forbidden without really understanding how important it is to our own wellbeing. It was used as a tool by religions and the elite to keep us imprisoned.

A great misunderstanding. We all came with the best of intentions and are so loving in spirit. What went wrong is part of the 3D paradigm that called for absolute sacrifice for some future salvation in a distant shore ~ always filled with hope ~ far off ~ not to ever be achieved no matter how hard we worked to achieve it ~ it never came as intended by the elites.

If you feel like crying ~ do it ~ it will bring great release and isn't to be laughed at ~ well, on second thought, laugh away. We are finally getting down to brass tacks and making real progress, crying is simply a part of it that should be respected. We've suffered a whole lot of grief that must be released, so go with the flow. Much love! xoxoxox

[Buck]

Hi Darla,

You have such a beautiful courage. Thanks for working so steadily at shoring up the walls and making it safe and welcoming. I could start by saying ever since my second trip to Ephesus about 12 years ago, and the tomb of Mother Mary, I have never been the same. I broke open. I started to burn, and burn and burn, and it hasn't stopped. It is embarrassing, it is enormously inconvenient. It is at the same time, a form of ego purification and constant humility. The first few times it was hours and hours, waves of stuff burning off. And now, years later, it seems a sort of byproduct of my particular shell having gone through the fire and been re-purposed for a different task. It is the shell, we are the operator. My shell leaks water around the eyes. A lot.

So with that, I am jumping in. Deep breath.

Avalon is,
tremendous potential.

There, I said it.
Out loud, to acknowledge the power of the spoken word.
Out loud, to reference the courage that Darla brings to the conversation
Out loud, to the call that Bill has broadcast to us all

There is this odd sort of ringing and pressure, I see a lot of you reference it. There is a rapid evolution, a sort of fluttering quality to the energy. To me, it feels at times very much a like a large tuning fork is in near proximity, and I/we are slightly out of sync with the wave form or frequency. There is a lot of noise on the channel, a tremendous amount. This noise, or interference is dark, and it is like a pressure that in material terms is manifesting in such a literal and awful way, it is impossible not to notice it. And nearly impossible to turn away, like a dark enchantment. We humans seem to have an innate fascination with darkness and drama. Lots of drama.

And to take my reference to the burning away of ego a little farther, the present time feels like somehow we have decided to raise the bar, to do something so colossal, so profoundly irreversible, that have no way to address a solution in this material reality. None. As if we went around our beautiful house, closed and locked all windows and all the doors, broke up the furniture and piled it up in the middle of the living room, set fire to it, and then sat down at the center of this rapidly advancing conflagration and challenged ourselves to connect with the truth of what is. Right then and there, or else.

Almost as if our angelic aspects, in their grace and patience, are starting to grow bored. Our souls just want to cut to the chase. Bored of the lateness of the hour, the rate of growth we are at now versus what we are really capable of, the seemingly endlessly redundant parts of the school play. Maybe that is the situation that is unfolding. We are left in a burning house, all the windows and doors are locked, and in our hands a fairy tale, a children's picture book that we wrote and illustrated by our own hand of the dream we dare imagine is true.

Amazing. Amazing because I wonder if that is what we are doing, we really are such drama queens! How about we rewrite the part of the movie where we burn down the house. People on here are talking about that possibility, and I find that very encouraging, tremendously encouraging, and maybe, plausible. That's the thing about Avalon, the thing about now. I feel compelled to do something completely uncharacteristic for me, to speak my truth openly, without reservation. I am speaking here, inspired by Darla's courage, to share my most precious possession in all the world, a dream, a growing emergence of a lifelong belief, at times in the past, just a secret fantasy, a whim, a wish, and then slowly, an image that I began to work on in earnest, and invest with energy, with intent. It is a world, a universe in which we all are connected, every living thing, that life has a profound commonality. That we are sentient, and that we are, at the root, one. That we are, and always would be everything there is. And that we were never, ever, in danger of anything. The best days are when I know this is true, all of this. And the worst of days are when this seems like a delusion, a sad and pathetic form of wishful thinking by a soppy sentimental soul that has no gravity, no center. The fear that there is nothing at all really, just chaos and random bits of stuff and noise swirling around in a vast screaming void of nothingness. Back and forth, vacillating like a sine wave, I can observe the ebb and flow of my energy with this internal battle. It's binary, yes, no, love, fear, off, on. And it makes me feel hopeless at times, like how we we make it through this, even if this is true I am in such a sorry state, my shell is unreliable, my instruments broken, my maps outdated.

Others seem to welcome the idea that our way of life, our planet is going through a tremendous and destructive cleansing, that things will be very challenging for a long time to come. I am sad. I love this planet. I love my little children, all three of them under 6 years old, bright and shining souls. I love the astonishing diversity, the complexity, the COLORS here. Do we have to burn it all down to charred studs and a smoking crater, just so we can realize that all of it is available for modification in the root program of existence? Isn't there a more elegant way to do this? Could we dare to imagine that. Could I, is the question.

On my better days, I believe that our body intelligence is here to serve as a bridge to remembering who we really are. And also that our physical manifestation is an instrument, a very specialized device that has a very specific operating manual, something we collectively agreed to restrict the access to for a period of time in our evolution. It would seem that somewhere along the way, we might, might have started to lose touch with that foundation awareness, and in that resulting schism, we lost the code for access. And now, from the etheric or angelic realm, we, as in the larger greater we, are stepping in, making an adjustment to the device by altering the gene code through planetary vibrational influence. Hence the tuning fork.

And the secret potential that was revealed to me, the one that we dared not share with our lower selves, the one that is the central topic of Avalon and our purpose as a community of souls, is that we are, in fact, all of us, singularly capable of the transmutation of energy into matter. Our unique coding, and our heritage is, that we create and maintain this reality and all that supports it, and that we also can also change the channel, rewrite the show, make a new episode, anything we want, anything.

And now we have set ourselves this challenge, in order to encourage a shift in our collective consciousness. A shift that Avalon is a part of.

Thank you, all of you. I am honored and excited to be here.
What an amazing moment this is.

[bluestflame]

and as they say the body knows how to heal itself if we get out of the way and allow it

[9eagle9]

What Herbert said. When we begin pulling in the principles of alchemy back into our 'metaphysical' work when easily regress physical aging. I hear people talk about doing their spiritual work which is mostly composed of thinking rather than allowing spirit to work with them, and understanding that fire, water, air, and earth are also groups of alchemical references. When we pull everything back together again so it functions in a field of unity with each other then yes. But people have kicked them apart into separate schisms not realizing that alchemy and conditions are supposed to work together. "Spirit is the only thing that matters" But spirit cannot express itself well in a material world so we create conditions for it to express. Within ourselves mostly.


An herbalist knows that herbs work in companionship for an optimal result.

Take loveage and boreage. Mix with water. Then take heart energy. Introduce fire, bring to a boil, add some salt, breath in the steam. The things we know are spells (wrighting or....writing ) are essentially recipes. This is an alchemical process. And application of spirit. How many herbalists were once murdered for this knowledge, for this 'craft' because co creation is just a new age word for crafting. Creating, fashioning, the craft, sounds good till you get to the word witchcraft. Another word was employed for artisans that were crafting or creating. Wright. Wrighting. Writing. WheelWright. ShipWright. Blacksmiths used to have a mythical persona to them because the hearth and the anvil are forging creation of too. Elements that are resistant to each other are tempered and unified at the Blacksmiths anvil, by employing Fire, Water and ...the tool of violence.

But people assign judgements to certain alchemical conditions, and one that has been deliberately ignored within the creation matrix is violence. But they perceive violence is bad never pausing to really think about what it, or what its proper application is so keep it out of the process. People shrink from the word in a knee jerked way, because its perceived as anti-creation. I've watched people rattle on and on about the evils of violence even as they are employing it themselves. Properties of violence are percussion to name one. We are so indoctrinated into the notion that violence is just whole form evil that we don't realize that when star explodes, a violent act, it contributes to creation and expansion of the universe. People dont' scream that the star is violent though. And I predict with one hundred percent accuracy that someone will come along and say I'm advocating violence by stating this. I am....when its understood within it's proper context. Applied correctly violence promotes a raise in vibration...or...a reduction of it.


Taking one tool and when it doesn't work on its own to create, then smothering it in mentality, words and schisms to prop it up when all it needs is its companions tools.
But people say it all the time. This TOOL is the way..and that TOOL is evil. We watched Science and Religion (represents the division of alchemical and spiritual tools) duke it out for yay, so many years. Religion hates the 'craft' and so does Science but the craft is where you can begin to find what little is preserved of this paradigm and can begin rebuilding it from there.

But age regression will begin to happen on its own if you begin to understand just a tiny bit of alchemical. Maybe not 'forever' age but the more this is reclaimed the better the effects. How natural medicine works.

[9eagle9]

and as they say the body knows how to heal itself if we get out of the way and allow it

It does, you can make optimal conditions for the body to heal itself or you can toss in a bunch of resistance. People who have cancer and go the chemo route throw in so much resistance that body never has the optimal conditons to heal. The word 'cancer' itself causes a mental and emotional resistance. People who claim irrationally (or is it?) that they hate going to the doctor because you are 'fine' one day and then on the death's bed the next. Doctors are supposed to find something wrong with you that's how they stay in business. My grandmother's doctors said she had lung cancer and probably had it for a decade or more. We decided to leave it untreated . She died of old age. Alternative healers are finding out that most lung cancers aren't cancers. Their plaques of hardened white blood cells, that accumulate or 'seem' to grow. This may not be optimal lung function but neither is it a life threatening condition. But imagine if you took this condition and began introducing toxins into the body, you treat the body for cancer when it has an entirely different condition and eventually the body succumbs to chemo poisoning.

[Yoda]

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Some beings/souls/spirits team up with the same Body Intelligence each lifetime - like an old and effective continuing partnership. However - and this is really important to understand - beings new to the planet will be partnering with a Body Intelligence who is a stranger.



thank you for starting this thread!

there's something i've been wondering about ever since i read some other version of the above statement:

if you say that some body intelligences team up with the same being for every incarnation (and beings new to earth team up with an experienced body intelligence) - does that mean that some beings, who reincarnate on earth often, partner up with different body intelligences on a regular basis?

also, what happens with body intelligences who for some reason no longer incarnate here on earth? can they go on to other planets? or is there some non-incarnating type of existence for them beyond life, just like for us?
the different accounts i've read of body intelligences give it very different degrees of consciousness/individuality/agency, so i'm really not sure whether to think of it as an immortal being or some kind of programme that runs in the background, or anything in between...

(and for anyone can and does answer these questions: where did your knowledge come from? personal experience? books you've read? links you can provide? etc.)

thanks :)

If you want to read some material, I would suggest Dolores Cannon. Ease yourself in, with "The Custodians", then, if you decide you can relate to the information, go for the "Convoluted Universe" series. Read them, in order, because, like she says, it will twist your mind like a pretzle.

The beings talk about answering the call for help, from Gaia. Some volunteer to incorporate, in a physical dimension, for the first cycle, ever. They go through orientation, and have a superimposed program (body intelligence?) from a storehouse of life experiences. The beings say that it fits so well that they, sometimes don't find out that it belonged to some other being (shades of so many Napoleans?) It's like signing out an outfit to go to a mascarade ball.

[Anchor]

If you feel like crying ~ do it ~ it will bring great release and isn't to be laughed at ~ well, on second thought, laugh away. We are finally getting down to brass tacks and making real progress, crying is simply a part of it that should be respected. We've suffered a whole lot of grief that must be released, so go with the flow. Much love! xoxoxox

Darla, here is a perspective on crying you may find interesting: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9988-Why-we-shed-tears-%28cry%29

[nomadguy]

Here is something, I think that animals in general communicate with body intelligence.

[9eagle9]

You're correct . That merits its own thread on its own NomadGuy .

The body expresses language to animals. If you want to call a wild animal to you don't go into the forest hungry.

[Joshua]

Hey all,
Just a quicky to clarify if i get the jist....
Is Body Intelligence the genetic/social/religious/geologic/etc. info passed on 'biologically' from parents to children?
Obviously terms and definitions of this subject become very important to be in agreement.

Thanks and keep on keepin' on!!

Joshua

[Joshua]

Integration of the Body Intelligence with the soul.....
But first let present myself and a prelude;
For more than twenty years i have dedicated my life to learning how to reach 'higher' or 'nobler' levels through touch 'therapies'. I studied at the New Mexico School of Natural Therapy (amazing people), with the anthroposophists in Jarna, Sweden, and in the last years with Dr. S. Masgutova. I have worked with modern circus artists from 'Cirque du Soleil', new borns, whiplashes, past life traumas, hospice and NHL hockey stars. Currently I have my studio in Italy and working with children with different neurological problems like ADHD, Learning difficulties, other behavior problems, CP, autism etc.
When i first started my work i used cranio-sacral, polarity therapy, shiatsu, touch for health, and fascial-deep tissue-sports-prenatal massage. This is alot of info to digest in one treatment but the results were unusual in the short recovery and minimal future complication. But there was always some strange stuff that i could never really put my finger on. There was always something 'more' than tissue, cranio, fluids or energetic to certain issues that i could not get to release.
Finally i found the neuro-motor-sensory work by svetlana masgutova, a russian woman now working in the US. Her work is a continuation of other great russian researchers from as far back as 1900. This work has changed completely my understanding of emotional-psycological-intelectual-body interaction and can truly say that now we can integrate the brain-body-personality/character relationship thanks to this missing link. the key is in understanding one simple thing, the neural circuitry of our brains is organised on the most basic of levels by our primitive childhood motor/sensory reflexes. That is to say that the these first (already at 6 weeks) fetal neural commands are movements. and that these motor reflexes lay, the DNA motivated, the neural structuring of our brains, ON ALL LEVELS (endocrine, sensory filtering, neocortex mapping, vestibular/sensory calibration and more).
So now to say what i really am writing this post for is this... that our person/character/personality/self-expression what ever you want to call that part of us that the world perceives through our body language, facial expressions, quirks, eye movements, vocal expression, internalization of external information or simply put how we deal with the input and output passing through our bodies is formed by the level of integration of the reflex. So the MORE integrated a reflex the LESS it influences WHO we are and visa versa.
This may or may not seem to be of very much interest however on further analysis of this concept one comes to very interesting places. For example, Down Syndrome, Cerebral Palsy, have each strong personality characteristics. And each has also characteristic reflex patterns poorly integrated. By 'artificially' integrating these reflexes the 'general characteristics' diminish and the persons 'soul' character starts to shine.
AND EVERYBODY HAS QUITE MANY OF THESE PRIMITIVE REFLEXES STILL KICKING AROUND DISTURBING US FROM BEING THE 'REAL' US.
What's more is that when the brain stem(not so simple but you get the jist, were all these reflexes reside) the rest of the brain is 'impaired' from evolving. First of all simple functions like language, math, music, perception of 3D space, social interaction, etc and than following 'all' of its higher capabilities (telepathy, multidimensional perception/interaction(spirituality), healing, etc).
And all of this is 100% percent based and tied through the neuro-motor-sensory system.
When one can truly consciously control his/her body in 3D space than his/her mind will be free of the limitations created in connection with this 3D reality in which we are 'trapped'.
Case in point.... tell me one asian religion/philosophy that does not have some kind of martial art as part of the training for the spiritual neophytes.
And now we have a new way to gently evolve our bodies, minds, emotions etc in order to open ourselves to our true essence.
This can also be used for the indigo/crystal children experiencing great difficulties integrating into these bodies due to; vaccines, society, family difficulties or even Body Intelligence Programs that are proving more or less challenging to integrate.

I know this was a mouth full and thank you for your patience in attempting to decode my more than inadequate effort to describe this work, i think for most new info. And so am grateful to receive comment and questions in order to hopefully better explain these new possibilities for self awareness and body mind soul evolution.

Best wishes, Joshua

[Mark Aldebaran]

Some esoteric traditions call this body the 'aetheric' or other terms, many of which can be misleading, so for many years I've referred to this 'first' higher body as the 'anima' (because it animates the physical). Some don't consider it a higher body. It is Tolle's pain body, although it doesn't matter what we call it as long as we're on the same page.

This body is a coagulation of the same corresponding-level body of the planet. In a similar way to the Akasha, this material is also a recorder, and can store previous experience. The stronger the experience, (such as hosting a higher being or physical pain) the stronger the recording. Unlike the Akasha, which is more of a coherent skin, this level is more of a potpourri/soup blending arrangement and like the proverbial 'molecule of Julius Caesar's urine in every glass' we can be dealt a dollop of all and everything. Egyptian Priestess, Coptic Monk or Tortured Heretic? Your serving is pretty much luck of the draw. The good news is that it's not us and returns to its source when we are done. So it's not karma. It's not our soul. It's not millions of lifetimes' work. Because this body is made from secondhand parts it often betrays its origin which can influence the physical body. (Hypothesis: People particularly in touch with this body may be subject to depression.)

The anima (or pain body) is a translating bridge (like a computer BIOS) that allows our real higher bodies to interface with the physical body. To extend the analogy, when a program requests print, it has no idea where or what kind of printer is attached, so it gives it to the operating system. The OS is just as dumb, so it gives the job to a printer driver. The printer driver kind of knows a bit more about the printer, enough to write the correct information to it, but no idea how to electrically find where it is, so it gives the job to the BIOS. The BIOS is pretty dumb, but it has a handle on the nitty-gritty like where the printer ports are electrically (physically) on the motherboard. Similarly, our higher bodies, like pearls on a string, pass information up and down and the lowest interface (to the physical body) is the anima.

[Darla Ken Jensen Pearce]

n't It is a little off putting to me when I think of our beautiful bodies and spirits as computers and a bunch of organic circuit boards. There is a lot more to us but we can begin with basics like this. I realize we are just beginning to flesh out a more perfect model to reflect on ~ and I know somehow these things are going to mesh together and have some clarity soon.

If only because as our consciousness rises, we can resurrect more of our dormant DNA strands and get them back online functioning. Much will be changed from even getting ONE DNA strand that wasn't active before and I think there eventually will be more like a chain reaction bringing us into our full powers as beings ~ our bodies are working diligently to do that now.

There is also the aspect of changing from carbon to crystalline in material. Keep sucking in those Adamantine Particles from the Sun, for maximum consciousness awakening. Anchor thanks for the link. Joshua, I want to hear more and also thanks to all of you who are participating in this one.

It's absolutely breathtaking in scope and deserves it's own thread somewhere on Avalon to fully explore. How exciting, eh? xoxoxox

[Anchor]

n't It is a little off putting to me when I think of our beautiful bodies and spirits as computers and a bunch of organic circuit boards. There is a lot more to us but we can begin with basics like this.

I could not agree more, but for different reasons.

When we say "our" body, I think we are coming at the idea from a strange perspective.

Certainly we have a body as part of the body-mind-spirit complex that is necessary to effect incarnation on this planet. It is matter that is effectively on loan, it is comprised of a myriad of little living second density beings that are also on their own evolutionary path, and who in turn are made from minerals and liquids of first density material who in turn follows its own evolutionary path.

The bodies made by these little beings are beautiful, they are amazing, and they do respond extremely well to the fact that they have a host who to them is amazing - instead of being say, part of a creature of instinct that has not yet become 3rd density!

We ought to respect that relationship!

Be kind to your body and love it with all your heart - and any residual body memories that impede your progress can be set right and healed.

John..

[Joshua]

Hi Carla!
I completely understand that it seems 'trivial' and/or inconsequential to speak about the evolution and development of our highest powers, essence in terms of nerves, instinctual biological development. It is like speaking of a sunset in terms of color frequencies and refraction of light through the water filled atmosphere. BORING!! Yet still, important to move from belief to understanding or magic to awareness.
In this case Carla we are speaking of fine tuning on of the greatest instruments we will ever use to perceive our experience, the human body.

ALL OF OUR SPIRITUAL REALIZATIONS ARE PERCEIVED VIA THE HUMAN BRAIN.

THE DARK MIND.

If we can fine tune this organ of perception than ALL OF OUR AWARENESSES WILL BE HEIGHTENED, MORE CLEAR, MORE PRECISE.

Sorry but I have not ever received a boost like when i started to work with these movements. Apart from m/state mineral this is key along with breathing with pauses both before a breath and after the inhalation *before exhaling again*...

Our nervous system is the key and breathing calms the RAS *reticular activating system*.

More later, Many hugs, Joshua

[Armen]

Hello everyone,

Disclaimer:
this is my first post as a preliminary member to this forum. I'm a bit nervous about posting because I don't really understand what it means not to post a new thread. I've been following the discussion of "Body Intelligence" with great interest, because it's a topic that is extremely important and relevant to my own life. I would like to add some content to the already existing discussion, and feel unsure if I am committing an infraction by doing so. I suppose I'll just take a risk and see what happens. I really don't mean to break the rules. If I am, it's because I don't fully understand. If there is something wrong with this post I trust that I will be notified.

I have a very extensive background in dance and somatic practices. Focusing on "Body Intelligence" is a key that I consider a very crucial addition in continuing to promote shifts in awareness and consciusness. Living in an industrialized, western world, I agree with the notion that as a society we have become intellectually top heavy. We devote so much time to understanding life and reality through science and mathematics. We experience reality by reading. We discuss concepts.

In other words, I agree with the belief that it is time to expand our awareness down from our minds, into our entire bodies so that we can access the intelligence of the entire organism that is the human being. Experiencing reality is just as vital as reflecting upon reality. It's this interplay between experience and reflection, rational and irrational, that I think is really important. I would even go as far as to say that therein lies the marrying of masculine and feminine energies.

At this point there are several directions I could and want to go in, but I will stay focused on one idea. I feel that the body has been demonized for a long time, and sort of considered less than the mind or the spirit. This has generated a social psyche that is very disembodied. I find this tragic, as the body itself holds so many potentialities of awareness and brilliance; I would refer to instinct or intuition. Where it takes the intellect hours or days to process certain kinds of information, we also have the capacity to process it instantanously. As a long standing practitoner of improvisation, I can attest to the mind blowing accuracy and brilliance of instinctual intelligence.

What I have been tracking, is a rediscovery and healing in a sense between spirit and matter. They are like a beautiful marriage to me. Matter that is infused with spirit and awareness is the beautiful gift we are given as human beings.

It is for this reason that I feel it to be in the benefit of humanity for, especially western people, to rediscover what it means to experience the body. I view it as an interdisciplinary process in which physicality, emotion, thought, and spirit converge.

How this expresses itself specifically is multi-faceted. For instance, I know through my own experience the healing power of touch. When people are regularly touched, their nervous systems relax, and they become visibly more confident and expressive. As far as I'm concerned, touch can accomplish far more in terms of rehabilitating a human being than years of psycho therapy. Much of how we are wired doesn't require intellectual understanding. I endorse the power of the intellect to provide understanding and a framework for experience. It allows for reflection and communication. And, I also believe that certain things don't need to, even shouldn't, be understood intellectually. In other words, very powerful reservoirs of a different kind of intelligence emerge when reflection and intellectual understanding are suspended. My prime example of this, are my experiences with free form dances that have a sacred aspect to them. Without fail, as people let go of their rational selves, a different intelligence emerges that seems to connect the entirety of the individuals who are participating, and in a way utterly beyond linear grasp, weaves the uniqueness and diversity of each individual into a symphoney of revelation. It, literally, conjures a visionary state that allows for transformations, upgrades, healings, catharsis, release, inspirations, etc. Also, very consistently, these dance experiences generate fields of what I can only call love. By the end of it, people can tangibly experience a sense of deeper connection and unity to each other, and the atmosphere in the space is so vibrant, new realities that weren't conceivable before, become tangible. This experience has been referred to by some as experiencing "The Future Now". It is quite literally ushering in the future we are heading for in the present.

What is so faccinating about these experiences, is that it requires the letting go of control and intellect, and the allowing of irrational impulses to take over. Understandibly, this can be very frightening for people, but what happens consistently, is that a deeper intelligence seems to take hold. It's like switching from being the driver in the car, to a surfer on a wave. The end result is incredibly powerful. This is a technology that our aboriginal, tribal, and indigenous counterparts understand very well. I believe it's in our cellular memory. It's the application of these technologies that I think are really important towards moving us closer towards a future that celebrates human potential, instead of diminishing and controling it.

Those are my thoughts for now. I have plenty more on this subject that I would love to share in the near future. Feel free to critisize/question/comment.

[nomadguy]

and as they say the body knows how to heal itself if we get out of the way and allow it

It does, you can make optimal conditions for the body to heal itself or you can toss in a bunch of resistance. People who have cancer and go the chemo route throw in so much resistance that body never has the optimal conditons to heal. The word 'cancer' itself causes a mental and emotional resistance. People who claim irrationally (or is it?) that they hate going to the doctor because you are 'fine' one day and then on the death's bed the next. Doctors are supposed to find something wrong with you that's how they stay in business. My grandmother's doctors said she had lung cancer and probably had it for a decade or more. We decided to leave it untreated . She died of old age. Alternative healers are finding out that most lung cancers aren't cancers. Their plaques of hardened white blood cells, that accumulate or 'seem' to grow. This may not be optimal lung function but neither is it a life threatening condition. But imagine if you took this condition and began introducing toxins into the body, you treat the body for cancer when it has an entirely different condition and eventually the body succumbs to chemo poisoning.


This is true your body does what it NEEDS when you let it, I for one had been in a sort of, long term argument with my body about this. I had such the trouble with the idea that I coudl not control my body intelligence 100%. I did not see them as separate and so I fought myself and did not have the BI as an ally. REGAIN your ally!, ~this for me, is best done with practice.. oh and it kinda hurts... as growth generally does.

[lightwalker]

Hi...great thread. Below is another perspective on the Intelligence of the Physical Body.

http://www.hearttoheartassociates.com/miracle-body.htm

I love this line.....

"Each cell holds within its nucleus the blueprint to create the whole. All of the DNA from your70 trillion cells would fit into a box the size of an ice cube. Unwound, that string could stretch to the sun and back 400 times!"


and this one...
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"Your own DNA then if uncoiled could wrap around the earth 5 million times!"

So, read on and enjoy the creation that you have manifested and maintain as a vehicle for exploration and experience.

lightwalker

You Are The Miracle … Body, Mind, and Spirit!

Actually there is no separation. Body-mind-spirit exists as a continuum constantly flowing from one to the other … in constant connection. Formal education has taught us to think of body, mind, and spirit as being separate and distinct.

The reductionist model of the human body as a machine … the sum of its component parts has led to the paradigm that considers the human body as a closed system. This paradigm of separation is an illusion. For the moment we will speak of each separately while remembering that the three are indeed connected so that one is constantly affecting the other.

Body: The Intelligence of the Body in Renewing Itself Daily

The physical body is a wondrous creation of infinite power and innate wisdom. With the union of sperm and ovum in the womb of woman, the fetus begins to differentiate into all manner of cells necessary to build the complicated tissues, organs, and systems of the physical human body.

Within that physical body lies the infinite wisdom to create new cells to replace dying cells, to maintain itself, to defend itself, and to repair itself.

Within your body there is on call 24 hours a day, and 7 days a week both a physician and a pharmacist. The physician determines the need and prescribes the cure. The pharmacist fills the prescription and delivers the needed substances in the right amount … to the right place … at the right time.

Your body is capable of creating all the medicines it needs to enjoy optimal health. This takes place without your notice, direction, or knowledge most of the time. Your body functions automatically working toward achieving and maintaining optimal health unless we deprive it of good natural foods, plenty of good drinking water, pure air to breathe, exercise, and a harmonious environment.

There are thousands of complicated operations working in our bodies every moment of our lives. We have 70 trillion cells each containing 10,000 more molecules than the Milky Way has stars … all working in harmony with each other.

Like the earth each physical body is 75% water the consistency of seawater. Our blood is essentially seawater in composition. Every cell of the physical body is a wondrous universe unto itself.

Like us each cell has power stations, transportation stations, a communication system, and is atypical with great variety of shape and function. Each cell is a microcosm of the macrocosm … a wonder unto itself!


Each cell holds within its nucleus the blueprint to create the whole. All of the DNA from your70 trillion cells would fit into a box the size of an ice cube. Unwound, that string could stretch to the sun and back 400 times!

The DNA in the nucleus of one human cell is a thread that measures 2 yards by 10 atoms … a billion times longer than it is wide. The nucleus of a cell is equivalent in volume to 2-millionths of a pinhead. Two yards of this DNA packs into the cell by coiling itself endlessly on itself.

If there were 100 thousand billion cells per human that would mean there would be 125 billion miles of DNA in your physical body. Your own DNA then if uncoiled could wrap around the earth 5 million times!

Francis Crick, won the Nobel prize as the co-discoverer of DNA. In his book Life Itself, Its Origin & Nature, Crick concluded that the organized complexity found at the cellular level cannot have arisen by chance.

In all living species, proteins are made up of the same 20 amino acids, small molecules. The average protein is made up of a long chain of 200 amino acids chosen from the 20 and arranged in the right order.

The DNA with its four letter alphabet A,G,C,T (or adenine, guanidine, cytosine, and thymine), and the proteins with their 20 letter alphabet of amino acids plus the translation mechanism between the two. The instructions for the building of proteins are coded in the language of the DNA. The DNA relies on the protein to rebuild the DNA using the data stored in the DNA itself! Every living cell whether animal, plant, or microbe contains a version of this mechanism.

The various tissues, organs, and systems of the body are miraculous. Let us consider perhaps the most impressive of all. Your heart is a fantastic pump that beats 100,000 times every 24 hours pumping 6,300 gallons of blood per day through 96,000 miles of blood vessels. 3 million red blood cells are created every second of the day to replenish this blood. Your heart beats tirelessly every moment of your life from your early days in your mother’s womb to the end of this lifetime. Can you even conceive of any of the very latest machinery that could ever match that power, consistency, and constancy? It’s mind boggling! Your physical body is a miracle.

Truly, your physical body is a wonder beyond comprehension even though medical science has managed to unravel and delineate some of its mysteries. There is an infinite wisdom that directs and drives the physical body. There is a further connection with an even greater wisdom that initiates and provides order to all of life on earth and beyond. You … body, mind, spirit … are the miracle!
Copyright 2007 Gloria Alvino. The author gives permission to print this essay in its entirety for personal use. For use in a publication or on the Internet.

[bridgetlilstar]

I think my body must not like me and I can't say that I like it much either. It's operation and health seem fall short of carrying out my interests. How do I get it to "catch up" and sync with my objectives?

Heartsong, I hear ya:) I really had to make peace with mine and listen to its needs AND Love it, so we have our good times, and bad times, like every couple lol;) still in the learning process. I hope you are doing great...

Warm greetings to all!

Bxx

[wegge]

I think focusing is good for people who have no concept about how to work with their body. You learn to listen to your muscles,stomach etc...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7PEC5Mh5FY