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DNA
27th May 2011, 13:32
This list by Mary Southerland from her book "Search for Shamballa", is a pretty good starting place for possible subterranean culture entranaces (I went in and numbered them for ease of reference).
Ideally it would be nice if someone could go through the list, pick something out and extoll upon it in a post. If half a dozen people or so can contribute, this can be pretty interesting.
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Maybe we could make a connection to the critters and or beings and then corrolate them with a specific site. I'll number the places in the list, and if anybody wants to pick a number and then elaborate on it with first hand experiences found on the web, I think we could make this an awesome thread.

http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/images/smilies/jawa.gif.. http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/images/smilies/elf.gif.. http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/images/smilies/spacecraft.gif.. http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/images/smilies/darkangel.gif.. http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/images/smilies/wizard.gif.. http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/images/smilies/RotCol.gif.. http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/images/smilies/scool.gif


1. Agharta (Argarti) is said to be the mysterious under ground kingdom located in Asia and linked to the other continents of the
world by a gigantic network of underground tunnels.
Although some have been destroyed due to world cataclysms, many are still left today and are in use. The following are thought
to be some of these entrances and tunnels.

2.Afghanistan

According to British explorer T. Wilkins, the Mongolian tribes of Inner Mongolia believe that there are entrances to a great tunnel
system that leads to a subterranean world of Antediluvian descent somewhere in a recess of Afghanistan


3.Manhattan, New York

An entrance to the inner earth tunnels is thought to be reached through an abandoned elevator shaft in Manhattan, New York.
Only a few know where the exact location is and I am not one of them.

4.Canada

Another entrance is found in the Nahanni Valley but many of those that have dared to enter this area have been found
decapitated, thus giving the region its name ‘The Valley of the Headless Men’. The Nahanni Valley in Canada is the land of
the Ojibways, the Slave, Dogribs, Stoney, the Beavers and the Chipweyans. It covers 250 square miles in the southern end of the
Mackenzie Mountains of Canada and lies almost 550 miles due west of Fort Simpson on the Mackenzie River of northwest
Canada. Hot springs and sulfur geysers keep the valley warmer than the surrounding areas by about 30 degrees year-round. This
land of perpetual mist is viewed by the Indians as ’taboo’ and avoided.

5.Arkansas

In northern Arkansas, a 12-man speleological team broke into an ancient tunnel system, encountering inhabitants of the inner-
world.
Just north of Batesville, explorers found a tunnel illuminated by a greenish phosphorescence where they met a race of beings who
stood 7 to 8 feet tall and had bluish skin. The beings, who have advanced technology, told the explorers they are the direct
descendents of Noah. The Cherokee Indians also tell of this same race of blue men . According to the Cherokee they inhabited the
areas of Kentucky as well. When the Cherokee came into that area, they killed these blue skinned men off. Apparently the
Cherokee were wrong in their assumptions.

6.California

Southwestern California holds the legend of Crystal Cave , a large cavern that links to Kokoweek Peak. It was reportedly found
by Earl Dorr, a miner and prospector who followed clues given to him by Indians. Dorr entered Crystal Cave in the thirties and
followed a passage down into Kokoweef Mountain for about a mile. Here he entered a large cavern that he explored for a distance
of eight miles. Flowing at the base of the cavern was a river and its banks were rich with deposits of gold. For reasons only
known to Dorr, he dynamited the entrance. The exact location of this sealed entrance is unknown today


7.The Liyobaa Cave

The Livobba Cave is located in the province of Zapoteca, somewhere near the ancient village of Mictlan (the village of the
Underworld). The village of Liyobba ,translated, means ‘The Cavern of Death’.
The Cavern of Death was located in the last chamber of an eight chamber building or temple. This temple had four rooms above
the ground and four more important chambers built below the surface of the Earth. This building was located in Theozapotlan and
the tunnel entrance leads beneath the mountain.
Catholic priests in an earlier period of time descended into the caves with lit torches. They discovered what seemed to be an
endless passageway with bones strewn before them from others that had come before them. As they advanced into the mountain,
they were assailed with the smell of putrid air and snakes. As they continued forth, a strong cold wind blew their torches out,
leaving them in the dark and causing them to take flight hurriedly back out of the cave. In retreating from the cave, the priest
claimed they heard ghastly noises coming from within. When they managed to finally exit, the priest declared the cave ‘home of
devils’ and ordered the entrance be forever sealed.


8.The Maltese Cave.

This entrance, known as Hypogeum of Hal Saflienti, is located on the island of Malta, near the village of Casal Paula, which
overlooks the town of Malta.
In 1902, workmen digging a well in Casal Paula reportedly fell into a subterranean cavern which connected to an entire complex
of caves and tunnels.
This discovery led to be a complex of cave, three of which were a series of chambers excavated out of solid rock on three even
lower levels for each chamber. This series of underground rooms. When first explored, they found over 30,000 skeletons of men,
woman and children inside.
The tunnels under the Hypogeum were later sealed off after 30 students entered the caves on a field trip and disappeared without
a trace. The numerous efforts of search parties looking for the children and guide were in vain.

9.The Staffordshire, England

Somewhere in Staffordshire, England a field exists where a man, while digging a trench, discovered a large iron plate beneath the
dirt. The "hatch" was large and oval, with an iron ring mounted on it. This hatch covered an entrance leading into underground
tunnels. The only clue we have to its location is that the field is in a valley surrounded by woods and that a report of its
discovery can be found in "A History of Staffordshire" by Dr. Plot, who wrote the book in the late 1700s.

10.The Dulce, New Mexico Base

An underground Military Base/Laboratory in Dulce, New Mexico connects with the underground network of tunnels which
honeycombs our planet, and the lower levels of this base are allegedly under the control of Inner Earth beings or Aliens. This base
is connected to Los Alamos research facilities via an underground "tube-shuttle
Beginning in 1947, a road was built near the Dulce Base, under the cover of a lumber company. The odd things is , according to
sources, no lumber was ever hauled, and the road was later destroyed. Navajo Dam is the Dulce Base's main source of power,
though a second source is in El Vado, which is also another entrance. This information should help you locate the underground
complex, if of course you feel brave enough to venture onto the Dulce properties.
Most of the lakes near Dulce were made via government grants "for" the Indians. The September, 1983 issue of Omni (Pg. 80) has
a color drawing of 'The Subterrene,' the Los Alamos nuclear-powered tunnel machine that burrows through the rock, deep
underground, by heating whatever stone it encounters into molten rock, which cools after the Subterrene has moved on. The result
is a tunnel with a smooth, glazing lining.) *Although evidence has been found of this machine, there is no signs of molten rock and
the concept ceased being used after 1983
There are over 100 Secret Exits near and around Dulce. Many around Archuleta Mesa, others to the source around Dulce Lake
and even as far east as Lindrich. Deep sections of the Complex connect into natural Cavern Systems. (Note: The elevators, lights,
and doors at Dulce Base are all magnetically controlled.)

The area around Dulce has had a high number of reported Animal Mutilations." The researchers at Dulce Base have also abducted
several people from Dulce's civilian population and implanted devices of various types in their heads and bodies. (Note:
Livermore Berkeley Labs began producing blood for the Dulce Base in the mid 1980s, and human and animal have now slowed
considerably.
*If interested, it may be worthwhile to check-out Livermore Berkeley Labs.
DELTA group, from the National Recon Group, is responsible for security of all Alien-connected projects. The DELTA symbol
is a Black Triangle on a Red Background. Dulce Base's symbol is a Delta (triangle) with the Greek Letter "Tau" (t) within it, and
then the entire symbol is inverted, so the triangle points down, and the "Tau" is also inverted.
A very active UFO base exists beneath Mt. Ranier. There are also said to be underground "vaults" containing records of the
ancient Lemurians. The ice cap of Mt. Ranier contains a maze of corridors and caves.
In August of 1970, scientists climbed to the top of Mt. Ranier, and entered these caverns and tunnels. Evidence was found
indicating that a small lake exists deep beneath the ice cap. *It is possible that one could find a way to get beneath Mt. Ranier
through these tunnels.

11.The Mt. Lassen

Mt. Lassen , Tehama County, California is an entrance leading to a large underground city. Near the foot of Mt. Lassen is a town
called Manten. Ralph Fields , Manten, found this entrance and claims that it is in the side of the mountain, a little over 7,000 feet
above sea level, and is near a rock outcropping.

12.Death Valley, CA.
This entrance is supported by the local Indian Legend which speaks of a tunnel that runs beneath Death Valley Desert and the
people that used to live in the Panamint‘s caverns. The entrance is in the Panamint Mountains down on the lower edge of the
range near Wingate Pass, in the bottom of an old abandoned shaft.
These tunnels connect with the surface also through arched windows in the side of the mountain that look down on Death Valley.
During ancient times, these windows were accessible by boat. The "windows" in the Death Valley side of the Panamint
Mountains are about 4,500-5,000 feet above the bottom of Death Valley, and are across from Furnace Creek Ranch. From these
openings you can see the green of the ranch below you and Furnace Creek Wash across the valley. (So, with high-powered
binoculars or a telescope, you should be able to see the openings from the Furnace Creek Ranch, or Wash.) You can drive down
Emigrant Canyon towards Death Valley. You can then park beside the road between Furnace Creek Ranch and the Salt Bed.
(From here, the windows should be visible through binoculars.)

13.The Brown Mountain Entrance
Brown Mountain is in North Carolina near Morganton. Morganton is "about 15 miles north of an actual highway marker which
has been posted by the state providing any visitor the best view" of Brown Mountain.
Brown Mountain is an area in which many strange lights have been seen.

14.Canadian UFO Bases and the Great Lakes Triangle

Entrances at Lake Ontario may lead to underwater cities. The Toronto Tunnels lead to a subterranean city and Lake Ontario
"Lights" Orange-colored spheres have been seen coming out of and diving into Lake Ontario.The area of highest activity is
between Oakville and Toronto. There may be a connection to the Lakeview Hydro-electric plant, as many of these UFOs have
been seen heading in that direction.
Toronto Entrance: There is a small opening to the underground tunnels off Parliament Street in downtown Toronto. The entrance
is between two apartment buildings, and leads to the tunnels via the sewers. The underground city beneath Toronto has its center
beneath Gerrard Street and Church Street. Above this area, strange magnetic effects have been observed. It has been noted that
this corner of Gerrard & Church streets seems to have a higher accident rate than anywhere else in Toronto. It is also believed
that underground equipment utilizing powerful magnetic fields are responsible for the bizarre equipment failures that often are
the cause of these accidents.
These tunnels are known by the local Indians and can be found in their legends.
After an iron mine, in Newfoundland Province, had been dug deeper than any other, strange things began occurring and the mine
had to be shut down. It is now condemned and off-limits which the police strictly enforce.
The mining town is located near the Newfoundland-Quebec Border. Sneaking in late at night seems to be the only way to gain
entrance.

15.BRAZIL

You can find one tunnel in Brazil near Ponte Grosse in the state of Parana. Another entrance is near Rincon, also in the state of
Parana.
In the state of Santa Catarina, near the city of Joinville . Is a mountain that has an entrance to the tunnels. The Santa Catarina is
an area alive with noises coming from underground. There are reports that in Santa Catarina subterranean fruit orchards can be
found. There is also another entrance found in the state of Sao Paulo near Concepiao. The local legend is that the states of Santa
Catarina and Parana are honeycombed by a net of Atlantean tunnels that lead to subterranean cities.

16.Kentucky Mommoth Cave, in South-Central Kentucky

17.Mount Shasta, California, USA

The Agharthean city of Telos allegedly exists within and beneath this mountain.
Hopi legends say that this mountain is one of the thirteen homes of the Lizard People, Reptoids.
Native American Indian tribes of California claim that Mount Shasta is the inner-mountain dwelling place of an invisible race of
men.
Still more accounts describe the mountain as an inlet to the ancient Lemurian world and that the Lemurian survivors still live
today in the tunnels of dead volcanoes.
Some suggest that it is a meeting place for the Lothinian Brotherhood, who use a stange force , vis mortuus, to carve caverns out
of solid rock, which sounds very similar to the equipment used at Dulce, New Mexico.
In 1904, J.C. Brown, an explorer for a British mining company, reported that he had discovered a caved in hollow in the side of
the mountain complete with one skeleton and hieroglyphic writings on the walls. Brown later quit his job and settled in Stockton,
where he lived out his life selling gold trinkets that he claimed to have in the Mt. Shasta cave.
In 1934, Abraham Mansfield said he encountered a tribe of Lemurians, who had dug tunnels connecting Mount Shasta and the
Bluff Creek area.
A man from San Jose, while hiking on the southern slope, in 1972, came across what he described as "a reptilian humanoid."
Other visitors to the mountain have
reported seeing various sub-human cultures including dwarfs, big-foot or yeti type creatures and giants dressed in white robes.
On August 16, 1987, believing the mountain to be one of the seven major planetary chakras of spiriutual “tuning forks�,
thousands came together as part of an international "Harmonic Convergence," designed to bring peace to the whole world.

18.White Sands Missile Base

Rumored to have an underground complex and tunnels is in the area around the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. This
area is reported to have been the secret headquarters of the great Apache Chief Victorio and is named after him, Victoria Peak.
From what I understand, the army bulldozed the peak out and placed a steel door over the entrance to the mountain passageways.
I don’t know if this was to keep people from going inside or if it was to keep someone or something inside from coming out.
Maybe it was a little of both.
Hard Scrabble and Geronimo Peak are also honeycombed with tunnels, caves and secret entrances.
The Hard Scrabble entrance leads down a flight of steps to an underground river.


19.Manaus, Brazil.

20.Mato Grosso, Brazil

Beneath its plain lies the city of Posid.

21. (this was gabled don't know what it is but let's include it in our list anyway, {darkomarco})Iguaçú Falls, Border or Brazil and Argentina.

22.Mount Epomeo, Italy.

23.Himalayan Mountains, Tibet

The entrance to the underground City of Shonshe is guarded by the Hindu monks.

24.Mongolia
The underground City of Shingwa exists beneath the bordesr of Mongolia and China.

25.Rama, India
Beneath this surface city lies Rama, a long lost subterranean city.

26.Benares, India
While the entrance to Bhogavati is somewhere in the Himalayas, it has been asserted that Patala can be entered through the Well
of Sheshna in Benares, India. According to herpetologist and author Sherman A. Minton, as stated in his book Venomous
Reptiles, this entrance is very real, with forty steps which descend into a circular depression, to terminate at a closed stone door
which is covered in bas-relief cobras.

27.Tibet
There is a major mystical shrine also called 'Patala. Hidden under the shrine is an ancient cavern and tunnel system, which reaches
throughout the Asian continent and possibly beyond.


28.Pyramid of Giza, Egypt.

29.King Solomon's Mines.

30.Dero Caves

31.Superstition Mountains, Arizona

Another area to be investigated is the Superstition Mountains in Arizona. Geronimo would be seen walking into the face of the
Mountain, disappearing and then reappearing in New Mexico. The soldiers which were hell bent on capturing the illusive Apache
Chief were mystified as to how he was able to escape the human net surrounding him and his band.
The tunnel systems of the Superstitions are dangerous though and are rumored to be inhabited by Reptilian-type Creatures and
supernatural forces. Those that claim to have penetrated the tunnel tell of the remains of ancient structures and a spiral staircase
that leads forever down into the bowels of earth. The main entrance to the Superstition tunnel system links to numerous tunnel
passageways which spider web out as far as Central America.

32.Four Corners in Southwestern USA

33.North and South Poles.

34.Glastonbury, Britain

Known for centuries as Avalon, Glastonbury is legended to have an entrance to Annwn, the British/Welsh name for the
Underworld.

35.Turkey

In Turkey the discovery of a massive underground city at Derinkuyu revealed a stunning complexity of deep passage ways
constructed on at least ten separate levels. Some estimates believe there was adequate living space for at least 20,000 people.
Precisely what purpose this city served or when it was constructed is hard to determine.

DNA
27th May 2011, 13:34
I'll start off with #8 THE MALTESE CAVE
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By: Seth Haniel (http://projectavalon.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-6651.html)
In an article which appeared in the August, 1940 issue of the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC Magazine. The article stated the following concerning several people who disappeared in these catacombs without a trace:

(http://projectavalon.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-6651.html)The story goes much "deeper" however, than the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC article indicates. Other sources say that ABOUT 30 CHILDREN vanished in these catacombs on the study tour, and that when the "Hypogeum" was first discovered nearly 30,000 human skeletons of men, women and children (victims of ancient sacrifice to the "underworld gods", performed by an old neolithic race) were discovered as well.

One article written by a Miss Lois Jessup, at the time an employee of the British embassy and later secretary for the New York Saucer Information Bureau (better known as NYSIB), appeared in an old issue of Riley Crabb's BORDERLAND SCIENCE magazine, published by the Borderland Sciences Research Foundation (B.S.R.F.) and was later reprinted in full in Dr. Allen's book ENIGMA FANTASTIQUE.

Miss Jessup claimed that she visited Malta and the Hypogeum also, once before the tragic disappearance of the children, and shortly thereafter. She described how on her first visit to the catacombs she finally convinced the guide to allow her to investigate one of the so-called "burial chambers" near the floor of the last chamber in the third sub-basement, the supposed "end" of the Hypogeum tour. He seemed to know something she didn't, but finally consented and told her that she could enter at "her own risk". As she did so, candle in hand and her loosed sash being used as a guide rope for her friends who followed behind, she crawled through the small passage and eventually emerged into a large cavern, where she found herself on a ledge overlooking a very deep, seemingly bottomless chasm. Below and on the other side of the chasm was another ledge which appeared to lead to a doorway or tunnel in the far wall. We realize that what happened next might sound unbelievable to many who read this, but we would ask them to make their own determination of it's validity. Miss Jessup swears that what follows really happened.

Out of this lower tunnel on the far side of the chasm, she claims, emerged in single file several very large creatures of humanoid form but completely covered with hair from head to foot. Noticing her, they raised their arms in her direction, palms out, at which point a violent "wind" began to blow through the cavern, snuffing out her candle. Then, some "thing" wet and slippery (apparently a creature of a different sort) brushed past her. This all happened just as the person behind her was beginning to emerge from the passage and into the cavern. They could not understand her panicked attempts to get back to the "Hypogeum" room, but they consented after she insisted. When they found themselves back in the Hypogeum chamber, the guide saw her expression and gave her a "knowing" look. About a week afterwards the disappearance of the children and their teacher(s) took place, and on her second visit she saw an entirely new guide who denied that the other guide had ever worked there, although she knew that this new guide was hiding something.

She learned from more cooperative sources however, that THIS was the tunnel that the children and their teacher(s) and possibly the old guide, had entered. She also learned that after the last child had made it through, the walls of the small tunnel just "happened" to collapse or cave-in. Although the official version stated that the walls caved-in on the students, search parties were never able to locate any trace of the teacher(s) or the children, although the rope that they had used to fasten themselves to the lower Hypogeum chamber was found to have been CLEAN CUT as if by something sharp (not falling rock). It was asserted that for weeks afterwards the wailing and screaming of children was heard underground in different parts of the island, but no one could locate the sources of the cries.
As for the Catacombs beneath Malta itself, there are some ancient accounts which say that deep caverns beneath the island continue underground BEYOND the shores, and according to one source [i.e. the ever elusive "Commander-X"], part of this labyrinth stretches hundreds of miles northwards and intersects with catacombs beneath Rome (the hill Vaticanus?) or at least did so in ancient times...

loveandgratitude
27th May 2011, 13:45
Tunnels direct to the Vatican most likely

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Studeo
30th May 2011, 13:13
Motueka cave 'world's deepest' of its kind

The source of the Pearse River near Motueka is the deepest known cold-water cave in the world, says a dive team who set a world depth record in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om1P8dE6zm4&feature=player_embedded

In January, six Australian divers followed the river back to its source in Kahurangi National Park where it emerges out of a mountain, beneath a cliff.

They swam into the hole and down the submerged cave, with diver Craig Challen making it to a depth of 194m, without reaching the end.

His descent is the deepest cold-water dive on record.

The expedition took five tonnes of equipment.

One diver at a time swam, in pitch blackness, against the current of the 6-degree water.

They placed four "habitats" along the passage where they could sit in trapped bubbles of air, eat and drink and wait out the decompression needed because of the extreme depths.

Challen said they took down containers usually used for bulk liquids, upturned them and filled them with air.

For the nine-hour dive he was actually only swimming for 25 minutes - the rest of the time was spent sitting in the habitats.

The cold water required electrically-heated dive suits.

Challen said it was not known how much deeper the cave went but the team was coming back next January to find out.

The Pearse Resurgence, as the cave is known, was first explored in the 1970s.

Diver Dave Weaver died exploring the cave in 1995.

Challen said it was his second expedition with leader Richard Harris.

Asked why he would willing swim hundreds of metres down pitch black caves, Challen said: "We have a saying 'If you have to ask the question you don't understand the answer'."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/4984413/Motueka-cave-worlds-deepest-of-its-kind

mondaze
30th May 2011, 13:55
12. i know that charles manson was looking for the entrance to the underworld in Death Valley.... He sort to sit out "helter skelter" there...

HURRITT ENYETO
30th May 2011, 14:52
Interesting that the Cherokee also talked of 'Blue Men'.
I was listening to an interview the other night and the guest (cant remember his name) said that a race of Blue skinned Aliens came to the Earth and lived amongst the people for hundreds of years.
He claimed these people are whom the Hindus worship as gods (remember the Hindu Gods are blue skinned)

Cheers for this very interesting thread OP
Hurritt

ghostrider
30th May 2011, 14:56
concerning the white sands missle base, I stayed there in 1989 aug the entire month. my unit was part of a hawk missle test we were sleeping at night on the ground, pitch black our flashlights the only light for miles. one of the guys yelled out somethings here, we kept finding mutant looking animals running around us, one was a black n red spider-ant looking creature the size of a turtle. we slept the rest of the tour on TOP OF THE TRUCKS with someone always on guard. that dersert looking area is very hush hush, it's like a complete other world out there. very erie vibes. the only good thing is you can see EVERY STAR IN THE UNIVERSE there, it was a spiritual awakening for me. I cried every night and GOD would comfort me and get me through the next days agenda. hope this shed's light for someone. this is the only place I've told this event. just for the record my friends that know me I NEVER LIE .

phillipbbg
30th May 2011, 15:00
Yep definitely blue skin..

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9vPNlqoYUtY/TNuRIl8vgaI/AAAAAAAADLU/KgHv9hHvE-Q/s1600/Lord+Vishnu+Picture+Hindu+God.jpg

Menkaure
30th May 2011, 16:02
What an interesting post! Thank you all...

ktlight
30th May 2011, 16:48
This is what I found out so far about Glastonbury, at least the Anwyn part of it:

Cŵn Annwn

In Welsh mythology and folklore, Cŵn Annwn ( /ˌkuːn ˈnʊn/, "hounds of Annwn") were the spectral hounds of Annwn, the otherworld of Welsh myth. They were associated with a form of the Wild Hunt, presided over by Gwynn ap Nudd (rather than Arawn, king of Annwn in the First Branch of the Mabinogi). Christians came to dub these mythical creatures as "The Hounds of Hell" or "Dogs of Hell" and theorised they were therefore owned by Satan.[1][2] However, the Annwn of medieval Welsh tradition is an otherworldly paradise and not a hell or abode of dead souls.

In Wales, they were associated with migrating geese, supposedly because their honking in the night is reminiscent of barking dogs. They are supposed to hunt on specific nights (the eves of St. John, St. Martin, Saint Michael the Archangel, All Saints, Christmas, New Year, Saint Agnes, Saint David, and Good Friday), or just in the autumn and winter. Some say Arawn only hunts from Christmas to Twelfth Night.[citation needed] The Cŵn Annwn also came to be regarded as the escorts of souls on their journey to the Otherworld.

The hounds are sometimes accompanied by a fearsome hag called Mallt-y-Nos, "Matilda of the Night". An alternative name in Welsh folklore is Cŵn Mamau ("Hounds of the Mothers").

In other traditions similar spectral hounds are found, e.g. Gabriel Hounds (England), Ratchets (England), Yell Hounds (Isle of Man), related to Herne the Hunter's hounds, which form part of the Wild Hunt. Similar hounds occur in Devon - particularly on Dartmoor and Cornwall but it is not clear whether they stem from Brythonic or Saxon origins.[3][4]

Hunting grounds for the Cŵn Annwn are said to include the mountain of Cadair Idris, where it is believed "the howling of these huge dogs foretold death to anyone who heard them".[citation needed]

According to Welsh folklore, their growling is loudest when they are at a distance, and as they draw nearer, it grows softer and softer. Their coming is generally seen as a death portent.

Diana Wynne Jones' children's novel Dogsbody includes both Cŵn Annwn and hybrids of Cŵn Annwn and Labrador retrievers.
In Michael Scott's The Sorceress: Secrets of the Immortal Nicholas Flamel the Wild Hunt is a dominant antagonist to Nicholas Flamel and Josh and Sophie Newman.

In Nethack, a character who is reduced to less than 1/10 of his hit points may receive the message, "You hear the howling of the CwnAnnwn..."

Glastonbury

Chronology

http://www.glastonburyabbey.com/chronology.php?&dx=1&ob=3&rpn=arthur&sid=ffcaf7633e0b199a3a8661b435faca4a

Myths & Legends

The Abbots

http://www.glastonburyabbey.com/abbots.php?&dx=1&ob=3&rpn=arimathea&sid=ffcaf7633e0b199a3a8661b435faca4a

In the beginning, when the legends of mystical Avalon began, Glastonbury, a small town in Somerset, cradled in a cluster of hills in the south of England, was thought to have been a site for pre-Christian worship.

A powerful natural phenomenon, visible from many miles away yet imperceptible from nearby, and the highest of these hills, the 500-foot Glastonbury Tor, rising shear from the Somerset levels has inspired spiritual speculation.

Was the Tor a centre for fertility rites based on legends of the great Mother Earth Goddess? Was Avalon a centre for ley-lines - routes of spiritual energy? Around the sides of the Tor is a strange system of terracing. Much weathered and eroded, but still well-defined, it has been interpreted as a maze following an ancient magical pattern. If the maze on the Tor is real, human labour formed it four or five thousand years ago, during the period of the vast ritual works that created Stonehenge.

Two thousand years ago, the sea washed right to the foot of the Tor, nearly encircling the cluster of hills. The sea was gradually succeeded by a vast lake. An old name for it is Ynys-witrin, the Island of Glass; "island" because, from most angles of approach, it would have looked like one, but it is from Celtic legend that the name Avalon has its true origin - named after the demi-god Avalloc or Avallach, who ruled the underworld. In Celtic lore Avalon was an isle of enchantment.

It is not insignificant that the Church on the top of the Tor is named after the arch-angel Michael, the warrior Saint who is remembered for defeating the powers of darkness.

Ancient myth has it that Avalon, where the sea met the land, was the meeting place of the dead; the point where they passed to another level of existence, and the Tor was the home of Gwyn ap Nudd, the Lord of the Underworld, and a place where the fairy folk lived.

Then 2000 years ago Joseph of Arimathea (Christs uncle) is supposed to have brought the young Jesus here. On Joseph's second visit, after Christs death, he built the first Christian church, at Glastonbury Abbey, appointing twelve Christian hermits to look after it. St Patrick and St David are said to have come here too and later still King Arthur; who is reputedly buried here.

Joseph of Arimathea

Stories of a sacred vessel dear to the Celts became entwined with the story of Christ's Last Supper and the Christian Holy Grail which inspired quests and crusades across England, Europe and the Far East.

The Glastonbury and Somerset legends involve the boy Jesus together with his Great-Uncle, Joseph of Arimathea building Glastonbury's first wattle and daub church. These legends gave rise to the continuing cult of the Virgin on the site of the present Lady Chapel and inspired the title 'Our Lady St. Mary of Glastonbury', which is still used today.

After the crucifixion of Jesus lore has it that Joseph of Arimathea (who according to the Bible donated his own tomb for Christ's interment after the Crucifixion) came to Britain, bearing the Holy Grail - the cup used by Christ at the Last Supper and later by Joseph to catch his blood at the crucifixion.

When Joseph landed on the island of Avalon, he set foot on Wearyall Hill - just below the Tor. Exhausted, he thrust his staff into the ground, and rested. By morning, his staff had taken root - leaving a strange oriental thorn bush - the sacred Glastonbury Thorn.

For safe keeping, Joseph is said to have buried the Holy Grail just below the Tor at the entrance to the Underworld. Shortly after he had done this, a spring, now known as Chalice Well, flowed forth and the water that emerged brought eternal youth to whosoever would drink it.

Intertwining the myths and legends of Glastonbury Abbey's history, it is widely believed that finding The Holy Grail Joseph is said to have hidden was years later the purpose behind the quests of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table.

King Arthur & Avalon

Glastonbury, in addition to many other places, like Caerleon and Tintagel, has been linked to King Arthur. This link though, at Glastonbury, is in death rather than life. The connection of the Isle of Apples or Avalloc, to Avalon was thought to have been first made in about the 12th century and then reported by William of Malmesbury the interpolator, in his De antiquitae Glatoniensis ecclesie and Geoffrey of Monmouth in his Historia regum Britanniae.

Arthur was the legendary English King - 'Arthur of the Britons', before Saxon times. He was born out of wedlock and raised by wizard Merlin. When only a boy, after many men had tried and failed, Arthur gained the throne by withdrawing the magic sword Excalibur from a stone. The nearby Cadbury Castle, at North Cadbury supposedly became his 'Camelot'.

After his many exploits and stories concerning his Knights, the Round Table and the Holy Grail, he was wounded by Mordred at the battle of Camlan. This was around the year 542 and he was then taken across the water to the Isle of Avalon for his wounds to be healed. Glastonbury would indeed still have been an island at that time, so it was quite possible for a boat to bring him to the only place where any medical attention was available, which would have been at a monastery - Glastonbury Abbey. Arthur was mortally wounded however and it is said he was buried in the cemetery on the south side of the Lady Chapel, at Glastonbury Abbey. He was buried between two stone pyramids and at great depth.

Centuries later (in 1191) prompted by hints and rumours, the monks excavated this same spot in the cemetery and they dug down sixteen feet, to find an oaken coffin. At a depth of seven feet they found a stone beneath which was a leaden cross with an inscription His iacet inclitus Arturius in insula Avalonia - variously interpreted to read 'Here lies King Arthur buried in Avalon'! The coffin contained two bodies - a great man and a woman, whose golden hair was still intact, until touched, when it crumbled away. The bodies were explained as Arthurs and Guineveres.

A century later in 1278 the bones were placed in caskets and transferred during a state visit by King Edward 1, to a black marble tomb before the High Altar in the great Abbey Church. There they remained until the Abbey was vandalised after the dissolution in 1539. No one has seen, or heard anything of them since.

Legend proclaims that after Arthur's death, a powerful spirit haunted the ruins of the Abbey, appearing as a black-armoured knight with red glowing eyes and a burning desire to eradicate all records of the ancient Arthurian legends, which is why, it is said, that those seeking to discover the truth, find so few facts available.

Today a notice board marks the spot of Arthur's final resting place. Occasionally people lay flowers there to honour this mighty King whose life and death gave birth to so many myths and legends. These mystical tales that still envelope Glastonbury Abbey in a cloak of mystery add to its profoundly rich and timeless history.

ktlight
30th May 2011, 17:02
Glastonbury: Maker of Myths by Frances Howard-Gordon

Chapter One
THE TOR

THE MYTHS associated with Glastonbury Tor are extraordinary. It has been called a magic mountain, a faeries' glass hill, a spiral castle, a Grail castle, the Land of the Dead, Hades, a Druid initiation centre, an Arthurian hill-fort, a magnetic power-point, a crossroads of leys, a place of Goddess fertility rituals and celebrations, a converging point for UFOs.

These myths are still very much alive today, although they are constantly being built upon and undergoing change. This is not surprising, given that this 500-foot high conical hill is a most striking and inspiring landmark - visible at vast distances and yet invisible at certain angles close-by.

If you climb the Tor on a clear day, you will be astonished by the extent of the views: to the north you will see the Mendip Hills together with the city of Wells and its cathedral; to the west the island of Steep Holm in the Bristol Channel; Brent Knoll to the northwest; the Polden and Quantock Hills to the southwest, and the Black mountains of Wales in the far distance; the Hood Monument and Dorset to the south; to the east Cadbury Hill, Alfred's Tower on the borders of Wiltshire, and Cley Hill- a hill famous for UFO sightings.

On a misty day you can experience for yourself what it must have been like when Glastonbury was an island - the Isle of Glass. From the summit of the Tor you will see only the swirling mists of Avalon with patches of green in between. What is now the flatness of the Somerset Moors and Levels has become watery marshes once again.

PREHISTORY
The mythology of the Tor reaches so far back into ancient times that it is impossible to give it a beginning. But if we try to look beyond Christianity and beyond the Celtic Druids, we may discover some answers concerning its origins and purpose. All kinds of information and interpretations are shedding new light on what was previously dismissed as the old religion. As each new cult or religion supersedes another, so it tries to blot out or deny what came before. Such is the nature of conversion. This is what could have happened in the case of Goddess worship, a way of life which may have existed all over the world until around the fifth millennium BC.

The emphasis on the divine female is largely based on the larger number of female carvings and figurines found in the old European culture compared to a relative lack of male forms which appeared later when males were the hunters in hunter-gatherer societies and the Goddess was combined with the worship of male Gods in the pagan polytheistic religions of the Greeks, Romans and Celts. Later still, with the invasion of Europe by the Indo-Europeans from the East, the Goddess religion was suppressed and male dominance became the norm.

The Goddess would have taken many forms and would have been represented in a variety of different aspects, but believers would have seen her essential nature in the harmony and balance of the natural order, the ebb and flow, growth and decay of life itself. Evoked and celebrated on hills and mountains, these would have been her seats or thrones on earth. It is interesting to note that many early images of goddesses have spirals on their breasts, symbolising the coiled serpent or dragon, both regarded as sacred in the old religion. The dragon or serpent represented the natural energies of the earth and sky - energies to be co-operated with and revered. In the Shakti cults of southeast Asia and China, dragons and serpents were associated with clouds and rain, and the Sumerian goddess Tiamat was a sea-serpent and Great Waters goddess. The dragon was also regarded as a manifestation of the psyche in which the real and the imaginary are blurred and are, as in nature, only different aspects of life.

The labyrinth pattern on Glastonbury Tor, similar to Cretan labyrinths, would have been created for ritual purposes long before the Druids are said to have used it in their rites and initiation ceremonies. Labyrinths are deeply symbolic, their most usual interpretation being that of the soul's journey through life, death and rebirth. The seven-circuit Tor labyrinth would probably have been made and threaded during the time of the goddess religion.

Although the archaeologist Philip Rahtz, who excavated the summit of the Tor from 1964 to 1966, has not committed himself on the existence of a human-made labyrinth, he has said that if it is there, its probable date would have been around the second or third millennium BC. Archaeologists are interested but cautious, and presumably they will remain so until it is excavated. However, in the summer of 1979 Geoffrey Ashe made a long study of the Tor and concluded that it did indeed exist. His booklet The Glastonbury Tor Maze gives the evidence he found and shows the labyrinth to be one of the great ritual works of early Britain.

Many of us who live in Glastonbury have walked the labyrinth at one time or another and found it to be a useful tool for journeying into the unconscious and much more besides.

To find out everything you need to know about labyrinths, read Labyrinths: Ancient Myths & Modern Uses by Sig Lonegren.

CELTS AND DRUIDS
Around the third century BC, the Celts founded two lake villages at Glastonbury and Meare. Their burial ground was called Ynis Witrin, an old British name meaning Isle of Glass. Also in Celtic legend the name Avalon occurs, derived it seems from Avalloc or Avallach - a Celtic demigod who ruled the Underworld. However, Avalon also signifies apple orchard or Isle of Apples, very apt for the cider-making county of Somerset. Apples were associated with goddesses in many mythologies and with a western paradise where the sacred apple tree is guarded by a serpent or dragon. Some names for this paradise garden derive from an ancient root word meaning apple.

According to pagan British as well as Celtic lore, Avalon was the meeting-place of the Dead - the point where they passed on to another level of existence. Not only was Avalon a hill surrounded by water, but it was also linked with Caer Sidi - the Faeries' Glass Mountain or Spiral Castle where the natural energies of the earth met with the supernatural power of death. In ancient times Caer Sidi was described as the abode of Cerridwen, the enchantress who possessed the Cauldron of Wisdom, a goddess with powers of prophecy and magic.

The remnants of stones scattered around the lower slopes of the Tor point to yet another possible use of this hill. Could it have been used as a moon observatory in conjunction with the threading of the labyrinth as there is a good deal of evidence connecting megalithic stones with Druid initiation ceremonies?

A recently discovered vantage point for viewing the winter solstice sunrise as it rolls up the steep side of the north east end of the Tor is the mound on Glastonbury's Windmill Hill (the very top of St Edmund's Hill). The Sun is clearly seen from there obliterating the tower as it hits the summit. This is well-worth experiencing though in prehistory the Sun would not have rolled up it in the same way due to the changes in the Earth's axial tilt angle. For more information see The Star Temple of Avalon by Nick Mann and Philippa Glasson.

To many, the key document on the whole question of Glastonbury is the Life of St Collen by a Welsh saint of 650 AD. The manuscript tells the story of a Christian hermit living in a cell on the Tor who is visited by two emissaries of the Faery King Gwyn Ap Nudd. They persuade him to visit their king on the summit of the Tor. Because the hermit believes faeries to be demons, he takes holy water with him. He enters the other world of the king's castle, refuses the lavish hospitality, splashes holy water every-where and causes the castle and faeries to disappear.

During the sixth and seventh centuries, a number of Celtic Sagas appeared concerning the heroes of Britain. These sagas linked the Faery King Gwyn with the Glass Island, and also with Annwn - the Celtic land of Faery, King Arthur, and the Cauldron of Plenty. However, the earliest reference to Glastonbury Tor is in the Charter of St Patrick compiled around the middle of the thirteenth century. Two lay brothers are mentioned, a fact which suggests the beginning of a monastic settlement on the Tor. More evidence that the Tor was a monastic site occurs in the thirteenth century in a Charter of Henry III of 1234 AD, giving permission for the holding of a fair "at the monastery of St Michael on the Tor".

Faery fairs turn up in folklore time after time and they always appear to have been held near labyrinths, mounds, standing-stones, hill-forts or earthworks. There is still an annual Tor Fair in Glastonbury but it is no longer held on the Tor, and is a very far cry from what one may like to imagine it once was. It is now a simple fairground as found everywhere these days.

ARTHURIAN ASSOCIATIONS
The oldest story connecting King Arthur with Glastonbury is told by a monk of Llancarfan called Caradoc in his Life of Gildas. Queen Guinevere was kidnapped by Melwas, King of Summer Land (Somerset?) who kept her at Glastonbury. Arthur arrived to rescue her with soldiers from Devon and Cornwall, but was hampered by the watery country. A treaty was arranged between the two so that Arthur and Melwas ended their quarrel in the church of St Mary - the Old Church - and Guinevere was handed back to Arthur. Glastonbury Tor would have been an obvious place for Melwas to have a fort, and excavations on the summit point to a hill-fort of that period.

In a pre-Christian version of The Quest of the Holy Grail, namely the Welsh poem 'Spoils of Annwn' in the Book of Taliesin, King Arthur and his company enter Annwn, the realm of Gwyn Ap Nudd, to bring back a miraculous cauldron of inspiration and plenty. The Tor is featured as the Corbenic Castle (Grail Castle) where the procession to the heavily-guarded grail or cauldron takes place. As the cauldron was associated in those times with fertility and prophecy, it is very possible that an ancient ritual was performed there, traces of which survive in the later legends of the Holy Grail.

In Arthurian legend Avalon was also the home of Morgan le Fay, a Celtic goddess or Faerie Queen, but she became more commonly regarded as Arthur's sister. Her name occurs in Celtic Europe as Fata Morgana in Italy and as Morgain La Fee in France. As Fata Morgana, she lived beneath the waters of a lake, leading one to suppose that the Lady of the Lake in Arthurian mythology and Morgan le Fay could have been at one time the same.

ARCHAEOLOGICAL CHRONOLOGY
Excavations on the Tor between 1964 and 1966 give us a chronological outline which, although open to varying interpretations, gives us something to go on with regard to dating the uses of the Tor through the centuries. Remains of graves on the summit dating back to the fifth and sixth centuries (known as the Dark Ages) suggest a pagan religious site. It could also have been a small Celtic Christian monastic site as the type of pottery found is common to other early Christian sites, although the large quantity of meat bones suggests that these were not Christian ascetics. A sixth century bronze head with a Celtic face points to metal-working on the Tor and the site may also have been used as a stronghold or hill-fort. The Celtic Christian culture probably derived from the late Roman way of life and predates any settled Saxon administration.

The discovery of a wheel-headed cross confirms a Christian basis in the eleventh century (late Saxon, early medieval) and the preponderance of fish, bird bones and eggshell among the animal remains definitely supports the theory that a Christian settlement, with a hermitage, existed on the Tor at this time.

The first church on the Tor was probably of the late twelfth or early thirteenth century and was dedicated to St Michael - a dedication characteristic of such a hilltop site. St Michael, apart from being the ruler of archangels according to Christian tradition, was also the dragon-slayer and the personal adversary of Satan. Early Christianity believed the gods of the old religion to be fallen angels or demons. The Christian church seems to have had a policy of building churches dedicated to St Michael on the old religious sites and sacred mounds. Since the Tor and its spiral labyrinth represented the dragon, symbol of the Earth Spirit or Goddess in pagan times, the building of a church dedicated to the dragon-slayer was meant to act as a powerful deterrent to any kind of pagan celebration.

In 1275 there was an earthquake and the church of St Michael crashed to the ground, hopelessly ruined. Another church was built and the tower or chapel, which is all that remains, dates to the fourteenth century, with some later alterations and embellishments. The carvings on the south-west face of St Michael's tower show Michael holding the scales and St Bridget milking a cow. One of the signs of Imbolc (February 1st) is that the ewe's milk starts running in preparation for feeding the lambs. Also at Imbolc, looking through that door to the north-east, you will see the Imbolc sunrise towards Pilton. St Bridget was originally the Celtic goddess Brighde or Bride who, at her festival of Imbolc in February, presided over the lactation of domestic animals, sheep in particular. She was also the goddess of fire, of the sun, of poetic inspiration, childbirth and metalworking; later, she became the Christian St Bridget of Ireland.

TUNNELS AND WATERWAYS
There are many stories, both real and imaginary, about a series of tunnels beneath the Tor. Jazz sessions used to take place in one such tunnel entrance in the early 1960s, but since then they have all been blocked up. The most famous tale is about a tunnel from the Abbey to the Tor. At one time some thirty monks are rumoured to have entered the Tor via this tunnel, but only three came out again - two insane and one struck dumb. Wherever these entrances begin and end, a point worth noting is that experienced dowsers are convinced of the Tor's hollowness and the existence of a variety of underground springs (possibly seven) forming a vast network of hidden subterranean waterways.

There is no mistaking the powerful elemental quality on the Tor. Some would describe it as a whirlwind, a vortex or meeting-point of energies in their purest and wildest form; others would describe a primordial dragon twisting, turning, and roaring to be let out. Please note this dragon can be calm and serene too.

Many visitors to the Tor have had strange psychic experiences there including suddenly leaping into the air, feelings of weightlessness and disorientation, or disappearing into subterranean passages. In 1969 a group of night-shift workers saw a saucer-shaped object hover over the Tor, and later a big fiery-red ball appeared over the hill and then moved rapidly over Glastonbury. In 1970 a police officer saw eight egg-shaped objects in formation over the Tor. These cases were reported in the local paper. Sightings continue to occur.

Glastonbury Tor also plays a significant part in the alignment of sacred prehistoric sites known as the St Michael line. According to the renowned author and thinker John Michell in his book New Light on the Ancient Mystery of Glastonbury,

Geographically it is the longest line across land that can be drawn over southern England, extending from a point near Land's End in the far west to the eastern extremity of East Anglia. On or near its straight course lie major St Michael sanctuaries of western England: Glastonbury Tor, Burrowbridge Mump, Brentor, Roche Rock, St Michael's Mount, Carn Brea.

Paul Broadhurst and Hamish Miller, authors of The Sun and the Serpent, used dowsing to track for 300 miles the course of this enigmatic line on the landscape with fascinating results for Glastonbury and its environs. They called it the Michael line and found a Mary line too which encompassed 23 churches dedicated to St Mary compared to 10 churches dedicated to St Michael or St George on the Michael line.

People who live in Glastonbury speak of the way they are sometimes impelled to go up the slopes of the Tor, while on other days they would find themselves unable to approach it. The Tor has meaning in people's lives as something always seems to happen when you go up there. When you need to answer a question, resolve an issue, or simply blow away the cobwebs in your life, the Tor is the place to head for. The Tor labyrinth is walked with the intention of solving seemingly impossible problems as its disorientating effect can lift the veil between dimensions. For some this leads to a new perspective on life. A day or so before childbirth some expectant mothers have felt a strong urge to climb the Tor and this has heralded the onset of labour.

However one perceives Glastonbury Tor - as an energy centre, a cosmic power-point, an ancient oracle or a fairytale castle - all the evidence indicates the existence of a prehistoric culture deeply involved with the forces of the earth and sky, forces which were depended upon, utilised, celebrated and understood in ways which we have yet to fully rediscover.

DNA
30th May 2011, 19:49
#31 The Superstition Mountains In Arizona
Terran Reptilians




THE LACERTA INTERVIEW WITH A FEMALE REPTILIAN (http://www.whale.to/b/lacerta.html)

" Question: Have you a special symbol or something like that with which we can identify your kind?
Answer: We have two major symbols representing our species. One (the more ancient) symbol is a blue serpent with four white wings on a black background (the colors have religious meanings for us). This symbol was used from certain parts of my society, but it is today very seldomyou humans have copied it very often in your old writings. The other symbol is a mystic being you would call a "Dragon" in the shape of a circle with seven white stars in the middle. This symbol is much more common today. If you see one of that symbols on a cylindrical craft I've described in my previous answer or on some underground installation, this thing or place belongs definetely to us (and I would advise you to go away from there as soon as possible)
Question: The seven stars in the second symbol you've mentioneddo they mean the Pleiades?
Answer: Pleiades? No. Actually, the seven stars are planets and moons and they are a symbol for our former seven colonies in the solar system. The stars are shown in front of a blue background and the dragon-circle means the shape of Earth. The seven white stars mean Moon, Mars, Venus and 4 moons of Jupiter and Saturn, we had colonized in the past. Two colonies are no longer in use and abandoned, so 5 stars would be more correct. "

" Question: Where can we find such a surface-near entry to your world?
Answer: Do you really think I will tell you their exact location? If you want to find such an entry, you have to search it by yourself (but I would advise you not to do that). When I came to the surface four days ago, I used an entry approximately 300 of your kilometres north from here near to a large lake, but I doubt that you would be able to find it (there are only a few entries in this part of the worldmore are far more north and east).
As a little advice: if you are in a narrow cave or in a tunnel or even in something that looks to you like an artificial mine shaft and as deeper you walk as smoother appear the walls and if you feel unusual warm air streaming from the depth or if you hear the rushing sound of streaming air in a ventilation or elevator shaft, then look for a special kind of artificial and smooth wall somewhere in the cave with a door made of gray metal. If you would be able to open that door (but I doubt this) you would be in a usually round technical room with ventilation systems and elevators to the depth. This is probably an entry to our world (See more information on these tunnels in the "Branton Files"..
If you have reached this point, you should know that we are now definetely aware of your presence. You are already in big trouble if you have entered the round room, but you should look for one of the two reptilian symbols on the walls. If there are no symbols or other symbols, you are maybe in bigger trouble as you think, because not every underground installation belongs to our kind. Some new tunnel systems are operated from alien races (including hostile races). My general advice if you find yourself in a for you strange underground installation: run away as fast as you can."

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REPTILIAN RAPE IN THE SUPERSTITION MOUNTAINS (http://www.reptilianagenda.com/exp/e111600b.shtml)

" She discovered she was in an oval room about fifteen feet across. The low ceiling was domes with deep ribs of a soft pale purple. From those arched robs a while light shone. The light was bright, but not harsh. On her left, lights of amber and blue flashed on the wall. "


" Two aliens wore either a grey scarf or a wide ribbon draped over their shoulder. Under the soft looking ribbons they wore a white jump suit with insignia that showed a curved dragon with a seven point star in the middle of it. The other 'reptile-men' wore black uniforms with the same insignia. The tall WHITE SKINNED lizard man [note: these "White Dracos" have also been seen in the Dulce - Los Alamos - Kirtland AFB mega-base] wore a burnt orange jump suit with three insignia on the left side. There was a black inverted triangle, the round dragon with star, and an oval with moving stars on it. She felt fascinated by that one. It was like watching a 3d movie in miniature. On the right side of his uniform were three black bars on a silver disk. On the left cuff of his sleeve he wore a row of inverted triangles with three lines cutting through it. "

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Also worth mentioning from the Lacerta interview is when asked about the types of flying craft the terran (earth) reptilians fly Lacerta stated that they flew the cigar shaped cylindrical crafts.

On a personal note,,,,I interviewed three people individually who attended an out door "rave" party in the superstitions back in the fall of 1996. All three people reported the same incident, and one was pretty shook up about it.
They stated that a large cylindrical cigar shaped craft hovered extremely close to the group of young dancing people, and that it was trying to obscure itself in a large dust cloud that was the result of six thousand kids dancing in the desert.

On another personal note, I have a friend who took a picture in the superstitions of a cigar shaped flying craft, but, she never saw the craft when she took the picture it just happend to be in the back ground.

It is also worth noting that the superstitions are reknowned for driving miners insane.
Seasoned and grizzled outdoorsman from the nineteenth and early twentieth century talk about a strange forboding and a feeling of impending doom if they didn't leave the place.

Many miners who ignored this warning, were found quite literally headless.
This same thing happened quite often in the Nahilli Valley of Canada.
It seems that if humans don't get the message in terms of leaving when spooked, they are made an example of in hopes that other prospecting miners will get the message.
Miners with their heads cut off would certainly send a message.

The superstitions get their name from the native americans having so many legends about them and being convinced that the gods of thunder lived on those mountains.
Unexplained sudden loud thunder would always be heard in the superstitions, so much so that the indians refered to the gods who lived there as thunder gods.
It was only later that the sound, which still occasionally occurs was found to synonomous to a sonic boom.
I wonder what has been making those sonic booms for hundreds if not thousands of years?

MariaDine
30th May 2011, 20:51
The picture of the Jinn in the Cave Hirah

http://www.themuslimwoman.com/myjourneytohajj/storiesadvice.htm

(...) While in Mina the sisters and I had a lot of time to chat. We heard stories about Hajj and about living in Saudi Arabia.
The mother and daughter Afghani women that stayed with us in the tent in Mina went to Makkah and climbed the mountain to see Cave Hirah where the Prophet (SAW) first received revelation of the Quran.

They were told a story regarding Cave Hirah. (WHERE THE PROPHET MOHAMED HAD IS REVELATION)

A story about a woman that climbed up to see the cave while on her Hajj journey and took a picture of the cave. When the woman returned home and developed the film there was a BIG RED JINN in the picture standing in the cave, Subhana-Allah!!!

I am told that this picture is online somewhere, Allahu Alim!

Also, I was told about a woman who just had a baby. I forgot the country she was living in, but in this particular country there are tons of jinn and the evil eye is very common.

This woman went to the park one day with her baby before her 40 days post partum was up. While in the park somehow the jinn had switched the woman's baby with their (the jinn's) baby.

As the baby girl grew older she started eating curtains.
The woman was told by scholars that if her daughter lived passed the age of seven then it was her daughter and if the daughter died at the age of seven then it was the daughter of the jinn.

On the little girls seventh birth day she died. The woman has been devistated ever since that day and is still looking for her daughter. True story! (...)

http://i85.servimg.com/u/f85/13/45/78/37/ghar-e10.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMq2mYXPdsk

Anno
30th May 2011, 21:01
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MariaDine
30th May 2011, 21:43
Portugal - Caves of Sintra
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7162-THE-MYSTERY-OF-THE-UNDERGROUND-SINTRA-A-Reptilian-Legend

Davidallany
30th May 2011, 22:33
Tunnels direct to the Vatican most likely
All roads lead to Rome. :)

MariaDine
30th May 2011, 23:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW7hvMe9Sa8
http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/enlarge/majlis-al-jinn-cave-photography.html

eaglespirit
31st May 2011, 00:28
Free Reading of the First Chapters of 'In Search of Shambhala'

http://www.livinginthelightms.com/shambhala-read.html

DNA
4th June 2011, 12:43
#5 Arkansas


The Deep Caverns of Cushman Arkansas (http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/cushman.html)


Excerpt from branton's THE UNDERGROUND EMPIRE (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/undergnd.html):
During the latter part of the 1950's the exploration party had investigated some very interesting caverns, mainly within the area of Arkansas and the surrounding states. At on point they came across one particular cavern some miles north of Batesville, Arkansas. This was in an area where several caverns were located. Many of these caves (concentrated generally NW-West of the town of Cushman) have in fact been the subject of some very interesting accounts, suggesting that there might be more thanone route to the nether regions below other than the one discovered by David L. and his friends. There are accounts of several people who have entered some of these caves and were never seen again; or who encountered strange phenomena deep underground - such as electrical failure of flashlights, suggesting possible electromagnetic interference; accounts involving extremely deep caverns; gas pockets encountered at extreme depths; and an account concerning one of the caves west of Cushman which seemed to have ancient carvings over it depicting various figures; and there is even one account which came from an Oklahoma man who was told by a friend of his of being chased from a cavern west of Cushman by a large hairy humanoid who began throwing boulders at him as if annoyingly scaring him out of "his" territory!
At one point David L's group came across one particular cavern near the town. Over a period of years, returning from time to time to this particular cavern, the explorers had crossed underground lakes, followed dead-end leads, explored "breakdown" areas, investigated numerous cracks and chasms, and steep inclines. One of their most fortunate discoveries was made in a large boulder-strewn break-down area about half-way between the entrance and an underground "lake". They noticed a crack in the path which they had found through the boulders and, following this crack into the thick of the breakdown they came across another area where the crevice widened enough to allow them entrance. Following this they descended for a very great distance for a very long while, down a sloping 45 degree incline, so steep in places that rope had to be used. This steep, sloping passage led them past a couple of horizontal "side passages" which they followed a few miles to dead ends, and continued deeper through at least one more crevice. Eventually they emerged into a large cavernous area hundreds of feet high and long, which they named "glass cave" because of it's features, and used it as a central "camp" in subsequent explorations. The remarkable thing about this cavern, however, was their claim that it was located almost 4 MILES beneath the surface of the earth, which would definitely make it deeper than any other "officially" recognized cavern.
Time and again they explored the mazes and labyrinths deep in the earth using "glass cave" as their central camp. Two passages in the far wall of this chamber, opposite from the crevice through which they first entered glass cave, were each explored for 3 days continuously before they decided to turn back. According to David L., these passages still continued onward with no end in sight. Could these have led to the gloomy 'hadean' like caverns which they were to see later, and which they alleged contained 'gigantic serpents' or snakes capable of crushing a human being to death in a few seconds?
After some experiments involving air flow within glass cave, the explorers were able to trace slight air movements to another as-yet- undiscovered crevice hidden within the wall, not far from the crevice which they had entered from above. This passage, through relatively small, continued still DEEPER into the earth. They explored the steep incline for what they approximated to be a mile, before reaching an area of "breakdown". This "seemed" to be the end of the line. Just as they were about to turn back in disappointment from this passage which had taken them deeper than they had ever been before, one of the members of the team noticed that the light of their carbide lamps seemed to have a faint amber tint to it. All of them were perplexed, wondering what would be causing the phenomena.
It was decided that they would all turn off their lamps in order to see if the greenish luminescence remained. They did so, and a minute or so afterwards their eyes adjusted to the darkness and they could faintly distinguish a greenish luminescence which seemed to emanate from the lowest part of the passage in an area where heavy "breakdown" SEEMED to close off any further progress.
George Wight was the first one to make his way to the spot in the breakdown area from which the faint light seemed to emanate and, after removing more rocks, they discovered that still another crack or crevice, barely wide enough for one man to enter at a time, descended vertically from beneath the breakdown.
According to David L., Wight volunteered himself to be the first to explore the crevice, and soon afterwards he was on his way down. A few minutes passed before those above heard the sound of what they could only guess was George slipping and falling down the crevice.
After a period of uncertainty those above, concerned for his safety, were relieved to hear the faint voice of George Wight rising up from apparently several dozen feet below. They were able to make out his excited words to the effect that he had fallen into a large tunnel, and encouraged the others to follow him.
They did so, and when they were all in the 'tunnel' they stood in stunned silence. The passage which stretched out from them in BOTH directions was not like the common natural cavern passages which they had explored for the past few days. In fact, it seemed more artificial than natural. Approximately a dozen feet in height and about the same in width, the 'tunnel' was similar in shape to a subway tunnel, having a domed ceiling and a flat floor. What really caught their attention however, was the fact that the tunnel was illuminated by a greenish phosphorescence to the point that they did not need their carbide lamps to see their surroundings. The strange luminescence seemed to emanate from the walls of the tunnel itself, which were clear and glass-like yet at the same time extremely hard.
In one direction the lighting effect faded out into blackness, while in the other direction the light seemed to increase. One of the members suggested that the light might be coming from the surface, and that they might be in one of the old mines which existed in the area of the cavern entrance, but others brought up the fact that, according to their calculations, they were at least five miles beneath the earth and therefore the light probably did not come from the surface.
Subsequently, the explorers decided to investigate in the direction of the "light" since it would allow them to keep some carbide in reserve for their return trip. At one point the tunnel (which was apparently cut through solid rock much of the way and then glazed over with the hard, transparent substance) opened into a gigantic cavern. Actually, this occurred several times and at intervals, as if those who constructed the tunnel intentionally meant for them to intersect the various cavern systems. Did the ancient builders of this tunnel system possess a combination of gravitometers, x-rays and sounding radars to detect these cavities? Even as it passed through these large caverns, the tunnel still continued in the form of a transparent domed enclosure, still the same shape as before, yet this time the hard transparent substance was in the form of a 'wall' a foot or so thick that protected the group from the 'outside' or cavern environment. And fortunately so, for beyond the luminescent walls, were black expanses of gloomy darkness within which they could faintly make out huge moving and slithering figures of what seemed to be giant serpents and other grotesque reptilian creatures as well as other non-reptilian creatures, including giant insects.
If not for the fact that these creatures were physical, tangible things, these dark caverns could have been likely candidates for the legendary 'Hades' of Greek and Hebrew tradition.
The most shocking surprise of all, however, occurred on the third day after exploration of this tunnel began, a considerable distance from the crevice from which they entered the tunnel. They were walking along when all-of-the-sudden they turned around and found themselves face-to-face with a group of human-like beings who stood around 7 to 8 feet tall. 'Their' skin had a faint pale-bluish, almost clay-bluish tint to it and their eyes were relatively large and owl- like. But 'they' were definitely human, according to David L., who was on this particular expedition. The 'people' took out some type of electronic device, apparently some kind of parabolic communicator, and after a few attempts they succeeded in establishing a communication link using the electronic 'translator'.
At this point their story becomes even more complex, and the exact series of events, in their chronological order, are rather undefined. First, the strange 'people' made it known that the tunnel led to a network that went all throughout the earth and to even greater depths. 'They' had certain types of instruments that could monitor from a distance the emotional field or make-up of a person and thus determine their intentions. It was only because 'the group' was found to possess an emotional makeup indicating relatively non-violent and non-selfish motivations that they were chosen to be contacted. 'They' made it known that the cavers could have traveled through the underground tunnels for weeks and would not have discovered their "city" if "they" did not wish them to, as the entrance to it was so well hidden. Here then, are some of the other incidents which allegedly occurred after the group encountered the strange people, or rather after these people CONTACTED the group (chronological sequence uncertain):
1) The group learned that the tunnels continued for hundreds of miles, at least. After the initial contact, the topsiders were taken to a hidden "elevator" and were then taken through this to the "city" where these people resided. This community was apparently made out of a glass-like substance, somewhat like the makeup of the tunnels themselves.
2) Their lifestyle, way of life, society, government, etc., was described as being radically different than that which existed on the surface. These people possessed a "Book of Laws" or a moral code by which they attempted to live. According to David L., if any of their society became violent or became a threat to the rest they were expelled into the tunnels, given sufficient provisions to make it on their own, and generally forced to seek out their destiny in other parts of the nether regions. This punishment for unrepentant "criminals" was apparently practiced only on very rare occasions.
3) The technology used by this civilization was very complex, and is based largely on the technology of the lost races who lived before the flood and whose demise resulted in the abandonment of the subterranean system, along with all of the sophisticated technology which had been left there as well. The race encountered by David L. and his group allegedly were direct descendants of Noah, and were of a race of explorers who came to the Western Hemisphere some centuries following the deluge and discovered and took up residence within the ancient subsystem where they now resided. Some of the technology left by the "ancients" is still not understood by the people encountered by the speleologists. The group was also shown tremendous dark caverns miles beneath the city, where the subterraneans had found ancient ruins of this ancient lost race. Some of these buildings were sealed, apparently the desperate act of the vanished race who built them.
4) Some of the caverns--especially the extremely deep one's in which the ancient cities were found--were miles in diameter. Some were pitch black and so still and silent that a whisper could seemingly be heard miles away. Some of the upper caverns through which the 'tunnel' penetrated contained not only serpent-like creatures but also huge, hairy 'humanoids', perhaps tied-in with the Sasquatch family. These however were particularly violent in nature, possibly due to their environment and constant proximity to the serpents. Apparently there was an ongoing conflict between the "hairy" humanoids and the reptilian creatures in the caverns. According to David L., these hairy giants had faces "only a mother could love". On one occasion, their subterranean friends demonstrated some type of hand-held beam weapon by pointing it at one of the large serpents which could be seen through the tunnel "walls". The beam melted through the transparent barrier and the serpent disappeared in a sizzling glow of fire.
5) The group attempted to tell their story to friends of theirs on the surface. Apparently they made several trips after their first encounter with the blue-skinned race. However, their story was rejected and met with mockery and ridicule. They attempted to gather proof of their visit, and made a special trip "down under" just for that purpose, and succeeded in capturing a "giant cave moth" which roamed the deeper caverns. They placed it in a bag and upon returning topside they opened the bag and exposed the creature to the brilliant summer sun. For some reason, the sunlight had a disintegrating effect on the insect and before they could show it to anyone as proof it had dried up, become brittle and eventually crumbled to dust. After this, they gave up all attempts to get anyone to believe them, and resigned themselves to keep the secret among the twelve individuals who made up the exploration and support teams, that is, until David L. was given permission to reveal the story to the now late Charles A. Marcoux (Note: Marcoux incidentally died as a result of a 'heart attack', while exploring the surface areas around the Cushman caves. His wife described it as a sudden and irrational attack of fear resulting from a swarm of bees that Charles had encountered. One must realize that 'fear' is one of the most powerful weapons utilized by the 'infernals' who would attempt to blind mankind to conditions taking place in the inner world. However, by the grace of God Almighty, many have been able to defend themselves from the "body terror" utilized by the reptilians and which can often lead to paralysis, heart attacks, insanity or even suicide).
Eventually George Wight decided to remain below with their subterranean friends, and on their second-to-the-last trip they said their goodbyes. They allegedly made one more trip afterwards during which they met with their friend, who was doing well, for the last time. The peculiar thing about this incident, according to David, was that shortly after Wight had joined this underground society all evidence and records of him ever existing began to mysteriously disappear from the surface. Birth certificates, school records, computer records, bank records, etc. all seemed to vanish, apparently the work of someone in a very influential position who was able to erase all evidence that Wight had ever lived. Some researchers still retain copies of George Wight's articles from the old UFO periodical, nevertheless. This would open up the possibility that this underground race closely monitors events on the surface, and even has "workers" in various influential positions who act as mediators in surface society. Everything points to the fact that this subterranean race prefers it's privacy and does not wish to become involved in the political conflict and chaos which has for untold centuries plagued the surface world by warring factions constantly fighting over territorial rights, etc.
There is apparently much more to this account than we can relate here, however for various reasons, specific information other than that which we have just related will have to remain confidential. One can seemingly find "connections" between this account and others which have been related by other sources. For instance, John Lear has stated to some researchers that certain Apollo astronauts encountered another terran or earth-based race on the moon, a race that apparently made it there long before America did, and this 7 ft. tall, large-eyed race of humans seems to fit the same description as that given by David L. The people that Lear referred to allegedly have an alliance with the 'Blondes'. Is it possible that the underground people contacted by David know of and interact with the Telosians? Whether this small item has any connection with the people allegedly encountered by the speleologists is uncertain, but it was related by John Keel in his book 'THE MOTHMAN PROPHECIES': "...The Cherokees have a tradition, according to Benjamin Smith Barton's 'NEW VIEWS OF THE ORIGINS OF THE TRIBES AND NATIONS OF AMERICA' (1798), that when they migrated to Tennessee they found the region inhabited by a weird race of white people who lived in houses and were apparently quite civilized. They had one problem: their eyes were very large and sensitive to light. They could only see at night..." Is it possible that these people may have later taken up a cave- dwelling lifestyle, if they had not done so previously, to allow themselves more comfortable living conditions?

Teresa
9th June 2011, 11:54
Some interesting info here, including some areas mentioned in DNAs list at #1.

UNDER THE GROUND
- Introduction
- US Underground Military Facilities
- Underground Military Facilities outside the US
- Underground Military Facilities Off Planet
- Other USA suspected underground facilities
- References Credits..

.. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/offlimits/esp_offlimits_7.htm

About the reptilian stuff, just an interesting thing happened to me. Last year I was lucky enough to visit Egypt and got to actually hold a crocodile (.. okay, it was only a baby one lol) but it was the strangest feeling. It's hard to put into words the feeling of connecting with something utterly alien, and totally Aware, yet at the same time I felt kind of connected, or privileged, even kind of mesmerised. Others in the group felt and reacted the same (and no I'm not a reptilian ... at least I don't think so :croc:

Maia Gabrial
9th June 2011, 13:47
Sounds like the militaries have got each entrance covered....
Maia

Patrikas
9th June 2011, 14:29
Interesting that the Cherokee also talked of 'Blue Men'.
I was listening to an interview the other night and the guest (cant remember his name) said that a race of Blue skinned Aliens came to the Earth and lived amongst the people for hundreds of years.
He claimed these people are whom the Hindus worship as gods (remember the Hindu Gods are blue skinned)



Cheers for this very interesting thread OP
Hurritt

I think there was also a reference to a blue man in Black Elk Speakes in recalling his Great Vision

Holly Lindin
9th June 2011, 15:14
I was listening to an interview the other night and the guest (cant remember his name) said that a race of Blue skinned Aliens came to the Earth and lived amongst the people for hundreds of years.
He claimed these people are whom the Hindus worship as gods (remember the Hindu Gods are blue skinned)

Hey, Hurritt, do you remember who the interviewer was or what the show was? Was it newly broadcast or something broadcasted some time ago? I would love to find this interview! Any information would be much appreciated. :) <3

Carmody
9th June 2011, 15:37
Another giant fact point. I hope this helps more people frame this subject. This is a cross post from this thread, into the below thread. Many thanks to the Original poster in this thread. (the one you are reading now) This was an important find:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-question-of-Lithium

Possible Subterranean Culture Entrances


4.Canada

Another entrance is found in the Nahanni Valley but many of those that have dared to enter this area have been found
decapitated, thus giving the region its name ‘The Valley of the Headless Men’. The Nahanni Valley in Canada is the land of
the Ojibways, the Slave, Dogribs, Stoney, the Beavers and the Chipweyans. It covers 250 square miles in the southern end of the
Mackenzie Mountains of Canada and lies almost 550 miles due west of Fort Simpson on the Mackenzie River of northwest
Canada. Hot springs and sulfur geysers keep the valley warmer than the surrounding areas by about 30 degrees year-round. This
land of perpetual mist is viewed by the Indians as ’taboo’ and avoided.

(to add, in the days of yore, you did ~NOT~ mess with the Ojibway. They were chief among all shamen in ancient North America.)
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I investigated. This is what I found:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahanni_National_Park_Reserve


In 1964, explorer parachutist Jean Poirel from Montreal jumped at its source 500 km North of Yellowknife, followed by his teammate Bertrand Bordet. Jean Poirel imagined the idea of going down the river with inflatable dinghies, opening the path to a new rafting sport. During the following four consecutive expeditions in the valley Jean Poirel discovered more than 250 caverns. The most important contained 116 Dall sheeps skeletons (carbon-14 dated to 2500 years Bc); Jean Poirel named it "Valerie Cavern" after his daughter. He took topographic notes and drew detailed maps, paving the way for the park's creation. During his last expedition in 1972, he escorted Pierre Trudeau, who came in person to estimate this superb and fascinating region.[17][18]
[edit] Park History

Originally established in 1972, by then Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau,

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According to David Icke, Trudeau was a notorious child molester and satanist of the NWO.

Hot springs are generally of a Catalytic processes. Monatomic ---ALCHEMICAL. Generally mixed in with......the 'Platinum Metals Group'.


My comments (take notice of those specific points) are in bold.
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http://www.nahanni.com/newsletter/fall2005/?page=3

Mine site infrastructure was developed at Prairie Creek in the early 1980s as part of an attempt by the Texas-based Hunt Brothers to corner the world silver market. This included a winter access road, an airstrip, underground workings, buildings and a tailings pond which has its dam directly along the left bank of the Creek. In 1982 the price of silver collapsed, Cadillac Explorations went bankrupt and the mine project was abandoned. Currently, Canadian Zinc Corporation has acquired the mine leases and is attempting to bring the mine into operation.

The minerals of economic interest are zinc, silver, lead, and copper. From Geological Survey of Canada Open File publications I understand that the deposits, which are geologically ancient, are contained within a mixture of Vein Massive Sulphides. There is also much iron and exceptionally high concentrations of mercury, a very hazardous substance. (VMS) and Stratabound Massive Sulphides as ZnS, PbS,(aka--LEAD! and important alchemical metal) etc. The VMS deposits can be envisioned as precipitates from ascending hot fluids that are emplaced in vertical or near-vertical fractures created by the fluid pressures. The stratabound deposits were almost certainly emplaced in pre-existing dissolutional voids within the limestones and dolomites that the fluids spilled into from the fractures; this qualifies them as Mississippi Valley-type (MVT) deposits, which are amongst the most common types of lead-zinc ores worldwide. This indicates that these rocks have been karstified in the past. I suspect that the karst caves served as preferential targets for the rising fluids in fact; this is a commonplace relationship (see e.g. Ford 1986, 1996). The most comprehensive published discussion of the nature and extent of such paleokarst globally (including MVT) is found in Bosak et al. 1989. I was the principal text editor, and contributed the chapter on these phenomena in Canada.

My field research team has firmly established that there are modern karst landforms, caves and groundwater aquifers displaying such standard features as sinking streams and large springs in the limestones and dolomites on the eastern side of the First Canyon anticline (see below). We lacked the logistic support needed to study the west side of the anticline in any detail but noted cave mouths, etc. when passing at a distance. This indicates that, in addition to the paleokarst, there will be one or more modern karst aquifers within and around the Prairie Creek ore deposits.

In my professional opinion, mining will create a variety of serious hazards to the surface and ground waters, the flora and fauna, around the mine and in the South Nahanni River and Park downstream of it. Chief amongst them will be formation of sulphuric acid (a strong acid) by oxidation of the sulphides in the presence of water. Consultants for Canadian Zinc have suggested that the local limestone and dolomite will effectively neutralise this acid, but they are not specialists in this matter and appear to be indulging in wishful thinking. All sulphide deposits within carbonate rocks generate acids under natural conditions (see e.g. Worthington and Ford, 1995). When radically impacted by mining, the rates of acid generation are increased. In the vadose or unsaturated zone (above the water table) and in the shallow phreatic or saturated zone (beneath it) groundwaters are O2 -rich and so readily oxidize the sulphides to H2SO4. The kinetics of H2SO4 transport in karstic groundwaters are now quite well understood (see e.g. Klimchouk et al. 2000, Chapter 4.1.4, 5.2.8). Its solvent capacity is reduced at Fourth Order (or higher) rates as saturation is approached. This means that the acid can travel long distances underground (and at the surface) before its corrosive capacity is exhausted. Development of the Prairie Creek mine must impact the regional waters very strongly, in my opinion. The locations and rates of impacts will be most difficult to predict because they will depend upon the vagaries of solutional void distribution and connectivity within, around and down gradient of the deposits being extracted (plus other variables), and they will change (usually for the worse) with passage of time. I am also concerned with the fate of water pumped from the mine (oxidizing rapidly), of mineral dust from the open workings, from mine ventilation shafts, on conveyor belts to the concentration plant, or released during the concentration processes, etc. These too will be sources of H2SO4 that may be transported rapidly off-site. The abundant mercury could pose a hazard at every step in ore extraction and concentration.



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Hhhmmmmmmmm....

It's all there in plain English.

IF you know what you are looking at. The area is completely monatomic. electric. Alive. dimensional.

Silver, BTW, is considered to be the doorway to the moon's domain, in it's monatomic form. the astral plain of 'purgatory', the dark creative realm where we all venture when dreaming those deepest dreams.

The geologist goes on to say that the likelyhood of incredibly large numbers of catalytic reactive aquifers and chambers is probably what the water is flowing through. This is the exact case of how monatomics are made by the alchemists. The correct chemicals, precious metals at the molecular distribution level, combined with sulfides, mercury and lead, etc..then on a sealed reactive chamber at levels right around the boiling point of water -and below. In the dark, away from the sun...for months.

THEN, out of that sealed 3 month long reaction, you get the philospoher's stone.

The entire valley and it's waters, etc, are definitely monatomic in nature. It is probably protected by the dimensional creatures or beings who desire to be left alone.

This is the most explicit case I've ever seen.

The place is a millions of years old natural easy-bake oven of the doorway to dimensions and the realms of the gods.

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We are talking about the dark 'rulers of the world' ("influencers", really, not rulers) making SURE no one messes with their foodstuffs. Possibly. Meaning, to me, that the description of what is going on in the valley is correct..but what the thoughts of the beings protecting that valley are, those thoughts are obviously opaque to me.

This is an important post IF you want to actually connect the dots together.

There are probably places there (below the surface) where you can get a truck and a backhoe and load up on the philospoher's stone. Understand, the individual only needs micro to milligrams, AT MOST. This material --- is not a toy.

Patrikas
9th June 2011, 15:47
[QUOTE=Maia Gabrial;240362]Sounds like the militaries have got each entrance covered....
Maia[/QUOTE
I think that there beginning to find out just what has" them" covered wherver they are on this earth

DNA
10th June 2011, 08:11
Another giant fact point. I hope this helps more people frame this subject. This is a cross post from this thread, into the below thread. Many thanks to the Original poster in this thread. (the one you are reading now) This was an important find:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-question-of-Lithium

Possible Subterranean Culture Entrances


4.Canada

Another entrance is found in the Nahanni Valley but many of those that have dared to enter this area have been found
decapitated, thus giving the region its name ‘The Valley of the Headless Men’. The Nahanni Valley in Canada is the land of
the Ojibways, the Slave, Dogribs, Stoney, the Beavers and the Chipweyans. It covers 250 square miles in the southern end of the
Mackenzie Mountains of Canada and lies almost 550 miles due west of Fort Simpson on the Mackenzie River of northwest
Canada. Hot springs and sulfur geysers keep the valley warmer than the surrounding areas by about 30 degrees year-round. This
land of perpetual mist is viewed by the Indians as ’taboo’ and avoided.

(to add, in the days of yore, you did ~NOT~ mess with the Ojibway. They were chief among all shamen in ancient North America.)
~~~~~~~~~~~

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Wow,,,,excellent stuff Carmody. Your explanations and Alchemical corrolations are amazing. I personally don't know too much about alchemy,,,not real alchemy. The limits of my venturing were dabbling in the ideas of David Hudson and his white powder monoatomic gold theories. I love the premise, that the place may be a portal zone caused by geological features, and especially certain conductive metals.
Your explorations into the premises for mining and the conclusians of how it will negativelly affect the area are amazing.
I absolutely agree with you about nature spirits.
For what it's worth,,,,if one posseses a little vision ability into etheric levels, and ventures out into virgin upspoiled country, one will come across nature beings. I've seen nature beings, and they look remarkably like what the mythologies say they look like.
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Your talk of portal zones sounds remarkably like George Knapp's skinwalker ranch, and west virginia's Mothman area scribed by John Keel.The Indians shunning the Nahali Valley when the warmth and excess in food stuffs would make it very appealing in the Canadian winter is very telling in my opinion. The native americans tended to shun portal zones, and probably for good reason. Leave well enough alone.
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From what I read though,,,,,the folks that lost their heads,,,,tended to be miners.
And coming from an underground base perspective.
I'm sure the last thing you would want, if you had a base that acted as a possible cultural center or a city, is to have some meddlesome human miners who won't take a hint.
The fact that they were found headless seems to me a macabre warning to other would be miners.
And for what it is worth, I found it intriguing to no end,,,,that the exact same scenario(that played out in the Nahilli Valley) was played out in the Superstitions of Arizona.
Miners who would not take a hint. Were found dead and without a head.
I personally believe there is an advanced race that lives beneath both locations, a race of physical humanoids, thought I do not think they are human. At the present, I think they may be reptilian.
I'm not one of those who tries to paint any race in a bad or evil picture.
I wouldn't really blame them for lopping off a head every once in a while if folks can't take a hint.
From the reports of miners out in the superstitions, folks report a sense of forboding, and ussually leave on their own account.
Something tells me, that the folks who lop off heads, give a psychic warning before they take it to the next level.

DNA
10th June 2011, 08:18
Sounds like the militaries have got each entrance covered....
Maia

If you start making corrolations and such, you start to see trends and commonalities. The Government turns a lot of these places into state parks. This helps in a myriad of ways. It stops devolopers from happening onto these areas. It stops mining companies from tunneling into these areas.
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I have got to say, people talk about disclosure,,,but I don't see it happening any time soon, if for one reason and one reason alone.
Disclosure would not only enlighten people to the fact that we are not the smartest hippest thing in the Galaxy, it would enlighten people to the fact that we aren't the smartest hippest thing on our own planet.
I think that last part,,,,,,would go over worse for folks,,,than the whole alien thing would.

Cjay
10th June 2011, 10:03
The Jenolan caves are one of the most extensive cave systems in Australia. Jenolan is located approximately 110 km west of Sydney. The 175 km drive from Sydney to Jenolan takes approximately 3 hours as some of the journey is on very steep, narrow, winding roads through the Blue Mountains.


Jenolan Caves is in the Blue Mountains World Heritage Area, a vast nature reserve, abounding with native wildlife. Although known to European settlers since 1838, Jenolan Caves is still under exploration - its full extent not yet discovered. Although many of the caves are open for tours, many more can only be accessed by speleologists, scientists or cave divers.

The caves have long been known to local Aboriginal people. Since they were discovered by European settlers, the Jenolan story has been strange, full of colourful characters and quirky events.

http://www.jenolancaves.org.au/Home_Page.php

Each time I have visited the Jenolan caves, I was told by cave tour guides, on three separate visits many years apart, that early cave explorers reported finding an underground lake, large enough for a battle ship to turn in. That cave has since not been found again - or if it has, they are not telling us.

see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenolan_Caves

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Materials which have been prepared by Ted Matthews, caves guide at Jenolan


http://members.iinet.net.au/~john.mail@ozemail.com.au/TM-Jenolan/river-cave.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~john.mail@ozemail.com.au/TM-Jenolan/reflections.jpg

http://members.iinet.net.au/~john.mail@ozemail.com.au/TM-Jenolan/temple-baal.jpg



One of the lower and less andorned passageways
http://members.iinet.net.au/~john.mail@ozemail.com.au/TM-Jenolan/jc-1.jpg

For information and more pictures:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~john.mail@ozemail.com.au/TM-Jenolan/ted-matthews-jenolan.htm



The author is conscious, however, that neither tongue, nor pen, nor pictorial art can convey an adequate idea of the magnificence and exquisite beauty of these caves. Words are too poor to express the feelings of admiration and awe which are experienced by those who wander through the marvellous subterranean galleries embellished with myriads of graceful and fantastic forms of purest white alternating with rich colour and delicate tints and shades.

Of all the caves in New South Wales those at Jenolan are the most beautiful, and well-travelled men admit that they are unrivalled in any other part of the world As they are so little known this book may be interesting, and serve to give some impression concerning geological transformations and the slow processes of Nature in the production of works at once grand, ornate, and unique.

The Jenolan caves: an excursion in Australian wonderland (1889)
http://www.archive.org/download/jenolancavesexcu00cookiala/jenolancavesexcu00cookiala.pdf

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The Burragorang Valley, a few kilometres from Jenolan Caves, is reported to be the location of a secret underground base. Could this be the location of the "missing" cave?



The Blue Mountains, west of Sydney, continues to be THE major UFO 'hotspot' in Australia, with stories that date back to the later part of the 19th century. UFO 'flaps' throughout the region are often accompanied by reports of ET abductions and 'time window' experiences from local residents.

It is 50 years since the big Katoomba UFO incident at Echo Point Lookout in 1957 [covered in full in the Gilroys' book "Blue Mountains Triangle"]. Since then there ave been major UFO 'flaps' throughout the Blue Mountains from 1959-1961, 1963-1964, 1966, 1969; 1970-1973, 1975-1976, 1978-1979, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1989, 1990-1992, 1995-1996, 1998-1999; 2000, and 2001-2007.

There have of course been UFO sightings during 'non flap' years, but these have been in the minority. And during the 'flap' periods the Burragorang Valley, south of Katoomba, has been the scene of great numbers of sightings and other associated incidents.

The Burragorang Valley is of course the location of a vast underground Australian/American top secret advanced space technology base. 'Time Window' technology is one of the major areas of research being conducted in the Burragorang complex, thus there has been a considerable amount of reports of 'time window' experiences by people in the Katoomba region.

http://www.uforq.asn.au/about/ufoencounter237.pdf

see also UFO Mysteries Of The Burragorang Valley by Rex Gilroy:
http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/australasian_ufologist.html

Cjay
10th June 2011, 14:30
Countless cave systems exist under Australia's Nullarbor Plain, the world's largest limestone formation. "The Nullarbor" is a very remote area, covering approximately 200,000 square kilometres (77,000 sq. miles) of mostly uninhabited desert, where summer temperatures can exceed 50 degrees C (132 deg. F). From east to west, the Nullarbor spans roughly 1,150 kilometres (713 miles), straddling the border of South Australia and Western Australia.

The Nullabor is bounded to the south by the Southern Ocean. The Bunda Cliffs in South Australia and the Baxter Cliffs in Western Australia are the world's longest continuous cliffs - approximately 400 kilometres (248 miles) of sheer vertical cliffs as high as 120 metres (almost 400 feet).

In some areas, the ocean connects through many subterranean caves, resulting in blowholes up to several hundred metres from the coast. Some of the cave systems have entrances on the cliff faces, above the ocean. Other cave systems contain vast freshwater lakes. There are thought to be thousands of caves in the Nullarbor Plain, with several new caves being discovered every year. Most of the caves are protected by the government and cave divers require scientific permits.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/10/19/cathietozer_gallery__550x366.jpg


The Weebubbie and Cocklebiddy caves are among the largest natural tunnels in the world, leading to huge subterranean freshwater lakes. Many of these underground lakes have been explored by cave divers, for as much as 10 kilometres (6 miles) and to depths of up to 110 metres (361 feet). Scientists admit they don't know how long or how deep most of these cave systems are.

Cave diving is extremely dangerous and requires a great deal of skill, training and planning, as well as specialised equipment. The risks include running out of air, getting stuck in narrow passages or taking a wrong turn and getting lost. Other hazards include being killed or trapped by rockfalls and getting "the bends" (Nitrogen bubbles in the blood) from ascending too quickly from great depths. Some of the "air pockets" contain high concentrations of carbon dioxide while others contain toxic gases or radiation.

There are simply so many caves and so few people with the necessary skills, so it is unlikely we will ever have a complete knowledge of how vast these cave systems are... or where they lead to.




Subterranean Lakes

http://www.theadventuretravel.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Subterranean-lakes.jpg




Murra El Elevyn Cave

http://www.journeyidea.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Murra-El-Elevyn-cave.jpg




Weebubbie Cave

http://www.journeyidea.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Weebubbie.jpg



You might want to hold your breath watching these videos.
These are not Hollywood movies - they are the real thing.


http://player.vimeo.com/video/10436458




http://vimeo.com/17061921




http://vimeo.com/10260123


More videos, pictures and information on cave diving in the Nullarbor Caves and a growing list of about 80 caves in 14 regions throughout Australia:
http://www.cavediving.net.au/

Cjay
10th June 2011, 15:00
Cave Diving Regions of Australia

http://www.cavediving.net.au/images/articles/galleries/regions/regions.jpg



Kilsbys Sinkhole. Lower South-East region, South Australia

http://www.cavediving.net.au/images/articles/galleries/kilsbys/rharris/kilsbys1.jpg



Kija Blue Sinkhole. A stunning but very remote sinkhole in the Kimberley region in the far north of Western Australia. Explored to a depth of 115 metres (377 feet).

http://www.cavediving.net.au/images/articles/galleries/kijablue/ksmith/kija7.jpg

http://www.cavediving.net.au/images/articles/galleries/kijablue/ksmith/kija1.jpg

http://www.cavediving.net.au/images/articles/galleries/kijablue/rharris/kija2.jpg

Carmody
13th June 2011, 01:26
Your talk of portal zones sounds remarkably like George Knapp's skinwalker ranch, and west Virginia's Mothman area scribed by John Keel.The Indians shunning the Nahali Valley when the warmth and excess in food stuffs would make it very appealing in the Canadian winter is very telling in my opinion. The native Americans tended to shun portal zones, and probably for good reason. Leave well enough alone.
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From what I read though,,,,,the folks that lost their heads,,,,tended to be miners.
And coming from an underground base perspective.
I'm sure the last thing you would want, if you had a base that acted as a possible cultural center or a city, is to have some meddlesome human miners who won't take a hint.
The fact that they were found headless seems to me a macabre warning to other would be miners.
And for what it is worth, I found it intriguing to no end,,,,that the exact same scenario(that played out in the Nahilli Valley) was played out in the Superstitions of Arizona.
Miners who would not take a hint. Were found dead and without a head.
I personally believe there is an advanced race that lives beneath both locations, a race of physical humanoids, thought I do not think they are human. At the present, I think they may be reptilian.
I'm not one of those who tries to paint any race in a bad or evil picture.
I wouldn't really blame them for lopping off a head every once in a while if folks can't take a hint.
From the reports of miners out in the superstitions, folks report a sense of foreboding, and usually leave on their own account.
Something tells me, that the folks who lop off heads, give a psychic warning before they take it to the next level.

A general note for everyone:

Why Utah?

Why build a religion around the Great salt lake? One where the old traditions of multiple wives, etc? Why the horror stories coming out of that US state?

Why Israel?

Why the Dead sea?

Why the Great Salt Lake?

Monatomics and the energy patterns that create them..... Alchemy, pure and simple.

The old legends.... really are true.

I'll show you why you should have Google earth and the Vortex maps ley line and energy grid line overlay for Google earth........ and be looking into it. You WILL find that places that freaked you out or you felt light headed or that gravity was wrong, and the world wobbled, you'll find that it was probably a ley line you were on or crossing. Or the given abode or building was on it.

It is very important that one validate these things for themselves.

Please understand that the energy is everywhere and it is deep inside you. The power/energies is in you, it is part of you, you are part of it. You are an avatar with a spirit/connection, and the spirit is connected to those energies. Those dimensional energies. The body and it's fears lock you out of this conscious recognition.

The most likely answer, from the evidence is that: It has been kept outside of your knowledge by that which wishes to maintain dominion over you.

Note it is a geometric pentagram, from 5 lines crossing in the middle of the lake.

Here's the Great Salt Lake:

Carmody
13th June 2011, 01:57
The Finger Lakes area, around Syracuse and in the State of New York, USA. Look at the geological stress fracture lines. They are at their most extreme and strongest in this area only. This is where a member of the Forum, Wynderer is from. She says that the dark entities in this area are extreme, in one's dreams and in the astral realms. This white line (vertical), goes through Washington DC, the US capital (just outside of it.)

The one coming in from the lower left..goes right through The Great Salt lake.

Then, check out Swaziland.

For some reason, we create a country in the middle of a continent, isolated, and it is so dang small it is only 70 miles across.

It just happens to contain a major grid anchor point. Fancy that.

I could go on... and on... and on, here.

Cjay
13th June 2011, 03:26
Carmody, what do you know about a simlar anchor point in central Australia?

I have read in at least three different places that the joint U.S./Australian secret "communications" base at Pine Gap sits above a huge D.U.M.B. as much as 7.5 cubic miles in size. One place I read about that was in Project Camelot possibly in relation to Jake Simpson. (If someone can remember or find the specific reference, please let me know and I will post the link here). I think Jordan Maxwell also discussed Pine Gap.

One thing I remember is that Pine Gap was said to be home to large numbers of ETs, including reptilians and that many bad things happen there.

Another source that discusses underwater and underground bases states:


According to another NSA contact who worked at the Pine gap DUMB in Australia, the Mag Lev tubes are known as 'Terradrive' and only travel in one direction around the world. One must be a very high ranking Mason (33rd degree of Zion or higher), corporate-intelligence agent or an ET to gain access to Terradrive

link: http://2012poleshift.wetpaint.com/page/Underground+bases++%28aka++DUMB%3A+Deep+Undergroun d+Military+Base%29


I have examined Pine Gap on Google Earth/Google Maps and something just doesn't look and feel right about the place. Zoom in and out, examine the area around the base, not just the visible parts of the base.
Here is the link: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pine+gap&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=41.075986,70.136719&ie=UTF8&ll=-23.7985,133.733912&spn=0.020654,0.050597&t=h&z=15

or just click the photo to enlarge
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Australia has many salt lakes, including one of the world's largest, Lake Eyre (pronounced "air")

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/NEO_lake_eyre_big.jpg


The Lake Eyre Basin is a very special part of Australia. It covers one sixth of the continent...

The Basin is made up of large parts of South Australia, Northern Territory and Queensland, along with a small slice of western New South Wales. The major cross-border water flows are from Queensland into South Australia, however substantial flows do occur out of the Northern Territory into both Queensland and South Australia.

http://www.lakeeyrebasin.org.au/media/leb_map.jpg

link: http://www.lakeeyrebasin.org.au/


see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Eyre

Carmody
13th June 2011, 04:21
Stan Deyo, and the TR3B anti gravity craft, and the 'jumproom to mars' are all under the header of the Pine Gap issue,and that is near this giant salt lake or salt basin.

There is no doubt of any kind, to me...that massive underground caverns and areas exist in the area.

.http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5891-Stan-Deyo-The-Reason-For-the-UFO-Coverup&highlight=stan+deyo

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14960-Pine-Gap-Australias-Area-51-and-other-insider-informaton&p=154109&highlight=stan+deyo#post154109


By far, the most important video for those who are technically capable --to see... this is it.

Anti-gravity and the TR3B. Please understand that if anti-gravity works then time, space, matter, dimensions, doorways the whole damn thing breaks open and slithers out. And in this video, anit-gravity...it indeed does exactly that. It all spills out onto the floor (watch this one first):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP4zQ4R8vJg&feature=player_embedded

As for Pine gap, it is not on a grid point, and neither is the salt lake. Best that can be said, is that they are 'near' such lines.

However, the 'question of Lithium' thread hits the nail on the head of this, big time. In those places are large amounts of sightings of dimensional creatures, Nazis,UFO's men in black, elitists, Illuminati, the whole works. That thread talks specifically about the catalytic basins. Just like this salt lake basin in Australia.

Right next to Pine Gap. Whoops! How did that happen?

The story is that The Rothschilds created Isreal to create strife in the middle east. A good cover story, to me. Only one half of the story, to me.

I say they did it to gain access, direct controlled access to the origins of Solomon's temple, which was for creating the Philosopher's stone. The origin points of the Judaic religious structure. The pope wants to get in there and recreate Solomon's temple, exactly as it was. Complete with the gigantic horse stables. (10,000 horses, underground, IIRC)

Be it known that the acids from the energetic (And acidic- or catalytic ) mammalian Horse urine are PERFECT for for creating the philosopher's stone and the pope wants to make the stables, and the horses present in them. Now..why would the church, the Vatican..want that? What does David Icke say about the Vatican and it's basements? the 'waters of life' (urine) method of making the philosopher's stone is considered to be the most potent method of doing so. The correct energies and type of catalytic substances are retained in the urine. Please note that elitists and Freemasons tend to be surrounding quite an abnormally high number of water AND waste treatment/handling plants and systems..throughout the western world. eg...Take a look at the name and lineage of the company who bought the rights and control of the corexit that was used in the Gulf. this particular last correlation is weak... but there seems to be something to it. It bears some investigation.

Where did Solomon get his water for that huge horse stable? Care to take a guess at the complex salt/mineral levels in the water that those horses were drinking?

Monatomic salts from the dead sea are apparently the highest in Monatomic gold content, at 35% monatomic gold, is the estimate. Monatomic gold, the supposed 'King' Of the monatomics that are derived from these modified 'salts', these oxidized forms of the platinum metals group.

Catalytic reactive chemical basins... in/near vortex points, thus creating monatomics. The temperatures, the chemical mixes, the lighting, all of it is perfect in all of those spots. Be it known that alchemy really finally works right when the dew of the full moon dawn is gathered to make 'the stone'.

This is due to the energetic spin the angular components of the lensing of gravity, dimensions and light gives to the water that is condensing from vapor into 'water' at those exact moments.

This is very 'Tesla like' with regard to Tesla's energetics. This lensing and the condensation gives the formed water the exact correct complex spin characteristics for making the philosopher's stone. As well, specific moon phases and planetary positions impart their own spin or vortex patterning energies to the mix and those will change and alter the stone creation considerations.

Now, imagine the water in those places and conditions.

Add in the vortex energies. Specifically in the middle of the great salt lake. Imagine the energy in that water.

It would be interesting to find out WHO is venturing out into the center of that lake on a regular basis. In that you may find the direct connection, a connection which most of humanity (a humanity pushed far too hard in all the wrong ways) wants to have a VERY serious talk with.


Note the recent thread on the waterspout on the Australian coast and how I illustrated that it formed right at the meeting point of two vortex lines.


I could show you pictures of my home town, and I showed them to Bill. One facing north, one facing south, taken from the same spot.

My Home Town is on a vortex line and the weather is ALWAYS different on one side of the vortex line vs the other. I noted this anomaly being present my entire childhood. Every time the weather was stable with low amounts of wind, the pattern would form. I had no idea the vortex lines even existed, I just noted the anomaly being in existence for the first 20 years of my life and there to this day, still.

One more thing.

Angel of the Dawn. Lucifer.


When does the soul enter the body?

Dawn.


The ascendant, in astrology. It is the descriptor for 'the rose colored glasses' that one wears and sees reality through.

It is calculated as the degree or point at which the soul enters the body, but it is the point of the dawn light, where it is, the exact moment when you were born. One of the primary masks you wear. Ego function?

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I hope that helps explain why these vortex points and lines, ley lines, energy grid lines... how they are important, as the whole dang world seems to be revolving around them, in some very critical ways... that are hidden from the average human.

They seem to be energetic dimensional weak points or doorways (entry/exit) to dimensional superhighways and/or nexus/travel points.

As for subterranean entrances, again, see the 'question of lithium' thread for more expansion on this thread you are now reading.

Alchemy and Astrology, mankind's OLDEST endeavors.....and then the 'druidic' component of the the warring groups of elitists who are fighting over control of the world.

In the image below, note that a major grid anchor point (UVG 44) just happens to be connected to this salt lake basin in Australia.

DNA
13th June 2011, 08:31
Wow Carmody,,,,,,when you go on a tangent like that,,,I'm amazed when i come up for air and think I kinda know what your talking about. :)
Kinda, :)
Amazing stuff. Have you ever tried the monoatomic gold stuff yourself? As per the David Hudson stuff he was suggesting it be ingested or something.
I personally don't know if your alluding to the philosphers stone as an actual stone,,but,,,,it may have to do with certain elements in combination,,,,,that when injested create a field around the body that protects it from leaking energy or having energy syphoned out of the aura.
I sometimes think that is what the Annunaki were doing here in the first place.

Carmody
13th June 2011, 14:03
The place is a millions of years old natural easy-bake oven of the doorway to dimensions and the realms of the gods.

One must understand that the Nazi's created a photochemical based method of extracting or purifying nuclear material from a fluid based mix, in WWII, for making high quality fissile materials. This, according to Joseph Farrell's EXHAUSTIVE research on the subject.

Now, if the 'earth' has massive amounts of molecularly diluted catalytic materials, mixed with minerals, under the correct temperature and light conditions..for MILLIONS of years (Millions of tons of material in one spot)..what would make one think that the earth could not produce it's OWN monatomic 'white powder of gold' as the alchemists do. That is to say, where did the alchemists learn their methods?

They learned it from the earth. Or 'somebody' told/showed them.

In a molecular level dilution, you have not newtonian mass aggregate considerations but QUANTUM interactions in that mix as the primary mode of operation. So all the weird quantum effects are present in a very real and actual way..but as a quantum mass aggregate. We have Newtonian systems exhibiting quantum field considerations.

I mention this as this is the exact point I'm hammering home in the 'question of lithium' thread and it is specifically related to the appearance of what you might call 'subterranean culture entrances' as this thread is titled.

This thread, for example, could be seen as an expansion of that thread.

DNA
13th June 2011, 14:19
One must understand that the Nazi's created a photochemical based method of extracting or purifying nuclear material from a fluid based mix, in WWII, for making high quality fissile materials. This, according to Joseph Farrell's EXHAUSTIVE research on the subject.

Now, if the 'earth' has massive amounts of molecularly diluted catalytic materials, mixed with minerals, under the correct temperature and light conditions..for MILLIONS of years (Millions of tons of material in one spot)..what would make one think that the earth could not produce it's OWN monatomic 'white powder of gold' as the alchemists do. That is to say, where did the alchemists learn their methods?

They learned it from the earth. Or 'somebody' told/showed them.

In a molecular level dilution, you have not newtonian mass aggregate considerations but QUANTUM interactions in that mix as the primary mode of operation. So all the weird quantum effects are present in a very real and actual way..but as a quantum mass aggregate. We have Newtonian systems exhibiting quantum field considerations.

I mention this as this is the exact point I'm hammering home in the 'question of lithium' thread and it is specifically related to the appearance of what you might call 'subterranean culture entrances' as this thread is titled.

This thread, for example, could be seen as an expansion of that thread.

Is this all in theory and conjecture?
How does it relate to an actual person?
Do you have intimate knowledge and or experiences with this subject?

I would like to understand what your talking about, but I need a human element.
Do you have personal first hand knowledge?
Have you experimented with this stuff?
How do you as a human being factor into this equation?
Has your body/person/spirit been actually in the influence of this or these substances?

Cjay
13th June 2011, 18:13
Hi Carmody,

I have not previously studied ley lines in much detail and much of what I am about to say is just based on following hunches to see where they go. I hope you can make sense of my sleepy ramblings. Sorry if my ley line terminology is incorrect.

When I looked at the map you posted of the ley lines crossing "near" the salt lakes basin, I noticed two other crossing points on the map, which roughly correspond to locations I discussed in two of my recent posts. I wondered if this is synchronicity.

Firstly, let me draw your attention back to the crossing point labelled UVG 44. I found a reference to this location in a google search that gave precise co-ordinates for that point, which I pasted into Google Maps. You may be interested to see the curious rectangular feature I found about 1 kilometre north-east of UVG 44, in a very remote location (see map below)

Link: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=31%C2%B043%2712.17%22S+139%C2%B012%270.06%22E&aq=&sll=-28.343065,140.822754&sspn=2.683117,4.383545&ie=UTF8&ll=-31.715537,139.210725&spn=0.019349,0.034246&t=h&z=15

click photo to enlarge:
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Three other places "near" and west of UVG 44 immediately jumped into my mind. Wilpena Pound, in the Flinders Ranges National Park; Woomera Test Range, where the military test rockets and other weapons; and the town of Roxby Downs which is near the Olympic Dam uranium mine.

There is another place nearby that was a top secret military base - Nurrungar - that I read had been abandoned. When I first started researching that area, I had a suspicion that it may have been used as an entrance to tunnels so the sneaky alphabet agencies could "acquire" urianium from beneath Olympic Dam, right under the noses of the nuclear watchdogs, possibly to use as a power source for Pine Gap and other DUMBs and the intercontinental mag-lev trains that are rumoured to connect the DUMBS. This idea of the secret underground uranium mining was just a feeling with no verifiable information to back it up.

In the Flinders Ranges, there is a cave called Narrina Lake Cave. I have not yet found any detailed information about Narrina Lake Cave but I did find a curious reference from 2002 that stated "SA Cave Diving convenor attempted to re-establish cave diving access to Narrina Lake Cave following a long period of this being disallowed by the owner."

Also near UVG 44 but further west in the area of the salt lakes, is Acraman crater - an ancient impact crater. The impact event is estimated to have occurred about 580 million years ago.


The crater is deeply eroded and its original size must be inferred by indirect means. Some authors estimate an original diameter of up to 8590 km, while other suggest a smaller size, perhaps only 3540 km.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acraman_crater

Even on the smaller estimate, it was not a trivial impact!

Secondly, I noticed on your map, there are two other points where many lines cross. The point on the left (west) side of the map is on the Nullarbor Plain, which I discussed in a previous post in this thread, here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21485-Possible-Subterranean-Culture-Entrances&p=241191&viewfull=1#post241191
I am betting there is a very significant cave near that crossing point. I will need to study a higher resolution map of the ley lines and crossing points to verify this theory.

Just to the north-east of the Nullarbor ley line crossing point is Marilinga, the site of British nuclear tests in the 1950's.

Thirdly, the point where the lines cross on the right (east) side of the map you posted is near Siding Spings Observatory in the Warrumbungles National Park, which I discussed in another post in a different thread, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22452-The-Solar-System&p=241824&viewfull=1#post241824

I would like to see where all of the other ley line crossing points are in Australia so I can search for other possible connections.

Fourthly, if the spacing of crossing points is consistent, the next crossing point further to the west of the photo you posted might be near Kalgoorlie, in Western Australia - the site of the Super Pit gold mine which produces about 850,000 ounces of gold per year.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Kalgoorlie_The_Big_Pit_DSC04498.JPG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Pit_gold_mine

Finally, I will copy/paste an email I wrote about 8 months ago because it ties back in to our earlier discussion about Pine Gap. I am getting too tired now to disect it further so I will leave it to someone with fresh eyes. I look forward to reading any comments.


Re. Exmouth area, Northwest Cape, Western Australia

Here is a highly sanitized description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Communication_Station_Harold_E._Holt
This description refers only to the hexagonal shape in the first (northernmost) map below.

You can read a lot more about Northwest Cape, Pine Gap and several other secret bases in this thread that started in 2003 and continues to 2010: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread18317/pg1 (but you will probably want to look at the maps/satellite images below first)
A quote from the thread: there is more to pine gap i have heard that it is a massive underground base and they get supply food for 50000 ppl there every week imported from us [USA?]

Northwest Cape and Pine Gap are two of the most controversial top secret bases in Australia (joint USA and Australian military and DSD (Defence Signals Directorate), NSA, CIA, ASIS, ASIO (all spy agencies).

I also read that Area 51 (Groom Lake, near Roswell, New Mexico), is being or has been relocated to Pine Gap in Australia and that Pine Gap has one of the largest underground bases in the world about 7.5 cubic miles of tunnels inhabited by greys and reptilians, and that it is a VERY evil place (because of what they are doing there). I think somewhere else in this thread was a mention of another large underground base a few miles below Uluru (Ayers Rock), which is about 200 miles south-west from Pine Gap... and another under Mount Zeil, about 60 miles west from Pine Gap. More on Pine Gap in another email, another time.



All maps/satellite images below in Northwest Cape area. Listed from north to south.
You really need to zoom in and out and scroll around in each location to appreciate the huge scale of these things.
Near the northern tip of Northwest Cape (hexagonal antenna array, about 1.5 miles across):
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Exmouth,+Western+Australia&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=39.197892,63.457031&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Exmouth+Western+Australia&ll=-21.816604,114.167047&spn=0.019961,0.030985&t=h&z=15

About 7 miles further south:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Exmouth,+Western+Australia&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=39.197892,63.457031&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Exmouth+Western+Australia&ll=-21.909963,114.133015&spn=0.009974,0.015492&t=h&z=16


Learmonth Air Force base (about 22 miles further south):
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Exmouth,+Western+Australia&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=39.197892,63.457031&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Exmouth+Western+Australia&ll=-22.23254,114.092932&spn=0.039804,0.06197&t=h&z=14

About 8 miles further south (circle roughly one mile in diameter):
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Exmouth,+Western+Australia&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=39.197892,63.457031&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Exmouth+Western+Australia&ll=-22.338327,114.043536&spn=0.019887,0.030985&t=h&z=15

Also, starting about 4 to 5 miles south-east from the circle, and continuing for at least 40 miles further south, there are dozens of faint parallel lines in the desert (approx. from north-west to south-east). Some of these lines run at least 20 miles across the empty desert. Some of the lines seem to go from nowhere, to nowhere. Other lines have structures on them. The lines continue straight even where the terrain has ridges and valleys.
Here is a sample of those lines:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Exmouth,+Western+Australia&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=39.197892,63.457031&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Exmouth+Western+Australia&ll=-22.414381,114.078062&spn=0.009938,0.015492&t=h&z=16

LuzOne
13th June 2011, 23:44
I used to live near Mt Shasta and went there to camp about 3 times a year. There is a lot of lore about being who live within the mountain, also about space craft landing on top of the mountain.
Since, Mt Shasta is a glacier, the mountain does indeed make it's own weather - so one minute, the sky around it is clear and the next there is an interesting cloud formation. I have seen many
clouds that were spaceship like. Also, it was thought that Ascended Master would arrive at the top of the mountain, as well. And many people claimed to have encounters with Ascended Masters
while visiting Mt. Shasta.
There are many vortex's around the mountain and people often look for them to experience whatever might happen. It is said that one might not return after entering one of the vortex areas. One
might also go on a long trip somewhere with an ascended being. There is an area on the mountain that is a kind of gate. Hikers go by it all the time without seeing it. The gate does open to the
inner chambers of the Mountain, but only if the person approaching has a high enough frequency.
Mt. Shasta is a sacred mountain and most people who has been there even a few times have very interesting stories to tell. The Mountain will call people and teach people much like an interactive
video game. LOL.

noprophet
14th June 2011, 00:42
I would like to throw Whitehorse Mountain in western Washington USA out there. It's near a small town I grew up in called Darrington. There has always been lots of UFO/USAF activity up there.

They used to fly the f14s low breaking the sound barrier over the town and got a lot of complaints for it. They always said they were test flying through the area. There have been a few mass sightings as well as a lot of individual sightings of UFOs in this area, myself included.

ks4ever
14th June 2011, 01:01
High Cjay,
I thought you should know that you are looking in the wrong area. Try the Tanami Desert N.T., but I doubt if you will see anything as all the facilities are underground. The main facility is on seven levels and was built immediately following Pine Gap, but there were other facilities already there at the antigravity research centre, including at least five missile silos. None of this can be seen on Google as I know approximately where it is and have looked.

There is also another base near Mt Cobbler in Victoria but it is extra-terrestial. Was very active in the 1970-80's but I have not been up in that country for some time to know if it is still going on.

Cjay
14th June 2011, 07:29
High Cjay,
I thought you should know that you are looking in the wrong area. Try the Tanami Desert N.T., but I doubt if you will see anything as all the facilities are underground. The main facility is on seven levels and was built immediately following Pine Gap, but there were other facilities already there at the antigravity research centre, including at least five missile silos. None of this can be seen on Google as I know approximately where it is and have looked.

There is also another base near Mt Cobbler in Victoria but it is extra-terrestial. Was very active in the 1970-80's but I have not been up in that country for some time to know if it is still going on.


Hi ks4ever, l was looking in the wrong place for what? Please explain what you meant.

Yes I know about the Tanami Desert and you're right about not being able to see entrances. I know exactly where Pine Gap is. My post was not focused on Pine Gap, although I did mention it. For starters, any entrances not inside buildings would be very well concealed. Secondly, the resolution of Google Earth/Maps is not high enough to be able to see much detail... but what can be seen does raise many questions.

Thanks for the info about Mount Cobbler. I had not previously heard of it. I will check that out too.

I was looking primarily at the photo below provided by Carmody in this post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21485-Possible-Subterranean-Culture-Entrances&p=243058&viewfull=1#post243058
and simply joining a few dots from numerous other ideas and previous research.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=8038&d=1307944002

Cjay
14th June 2011, 08:23
Interesting video that joins a few more dots.

The Geomancy of Canberra, Australia and the Exmouth haarp array. Pine Gap, Australia ley lines


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D96yFjFe5-w

I have tried to contact the creator of this video to get his input in our discussion.

Cjay
14th June 2011, 13:46
An Aboriginal perspective:


WHAT IS A SONGLINE? Where Do Songlines Come From?

The Aboriginal people of Australia, like most indigenous people around the world, hold the Earth to be a sacred, living thing. Our spiritual source brought to life all around us. For the original people of Australia, everything in the material world begins in the Dreamtime (somewhere between Spirit and Form) and is kept alive by their daily dreaming, songs and storytelling. These songs and stories are planted like seeds as they walk the same path across the earth, generation after generation. This is how the ley lines known in Australia as songlines were formed.

Striving to live in balance with the Earth and to honor the spirits of their ancestors has defined their lives. Aboriginal communities living in the traditional way spent their lives traveling very specific paths across the vast, challenging landscape. As members of the family struggled to survive, gave birth and died along these pathways, very deep and personal connections were formed between the people and the land.

http://thesongline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/800pxAnbangbang_gallery_Mimi_rock_art_cropped_thum b.jpg
Australian Aboriginal art rock painting of Mimi spirits in the Anbangbang gallery at Nourlangie in Kakadu National Park. Photo by Dustin M. Ramsey 2002

As they moved across the sprawling territory that was their home, they studied the nature around them with great reverence, sharing their songs, dreams and stories with one another as they walked the line. One generation after another passed in this way, and the stretch of land they walked grew to know them well, holding a powerful resonance with them. In this way, ley lines were formed in the earth, marking the path of each tribal community with its spiritual essence, stories and songs. Like seeds planted and nurtured for generations, these songs and stories, and the laughter and wisdom of their ancestors, lived on in the songline. When they needed guidance, they became quiet and listened for answers they knew would come back to them in a song from the depths of the earth.

Ley lines are paths on the Earth connecting two or more points of geographic significance - often monuments or monoliths. Where ley lines are discovered, they are generally understood to be a product of commonly traveled paths by ancient cultures. Individuals who can sense such things say that these lines are often highly charged with certain kinds of mystical energies and even healing properties. Songlines are ley lines specific to the indigenous people of Australia.

source: http://thesongline.com/blog/arts-culture/songlines/what-is-a-songline/


Songlines in Aboriginal Culture

Indigenous people believe that the blood of the gods, the subtle magnetic, celestial flow, circulates in the veins of the earth. This concept underlies the extensive occult science known as geomancy, the study of ley lines. A number of anthropologists and scientists have found that the Aborigines possess an acute sensitivity to magnetic and vital force flows emanating from the earth, which they refer to as songlines. Perhaps the oldest geomancy tradition, songlines are fundamental to Aboriginal initiatic knowledge and religion. Songlines are so named because they are maps written in songs, depicting mythic events at successive sites along a walking trail that winds through a region. Each Aboriginal tribe inherited a network of songlines, and all travel in the lands of neighboring tribes was done along these lines.

Early anthropologists were amazed by Aborigines who had walked through immense desert expanses, unerringly finding their way to tiny water holes or distant mission settlements. One anthropologist has remarked that "no one has ever met a lost Aborigine". Aborigines young and old seem to move through the countryside instinctively, in a manner comparable to what we now understand about bird and animal migration.

Tribal elders claim that not only Australia but the entire earth, at one time, was linked through the songlines.

read more: source: http://www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/abr_culture/songlines.php


Songlines, also called Dreaming tracks by Indigenous Australians within the animist indigenous belief system, are paths across the land (or, sometimes the sky[1]) which mark the route followed by localised 'creator-beings' during the Dreaming. The paths of the songlines are recorded in traditional songs, stories, dance, and painting.

A knowledgeable person is able to navigate across the land by repeating the words of the song, which describe the location of landmarks, waterholes, and other natural phenomena. In some cases, the paths of the creator-beings are said to be evident from their marks, or petrosomatoglyphs, on the land, such as large depressions in the land which are said to be their footprints.

By singing the songs in the appropriate sequence, Indigenous people could navigate vast distances, often travelling through the deserts of Australia's interior. The continent of Australia contains an extensive system of songlines, some of which are of a few kilometres, whilst others traverse hundreds of kilometres through lands of many different Indigenous peoples peoples who may speak markedly different languages and have different cultural traditions.

read more: source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songlines

Carmody
15th June 2011, 02:50
I was off doing other stuff for a day or two. i will respond soon. Just leaving a marker for the moment.

DNA
19th June 2011, 12:37
#17 Mount Shasta, California

When looking over the history of Mt. Shasta I just dont know what to say.
There is as much bull crap as there is mystery.
There is also some mysterious bull crap. J
If one is going to get to the bottom of some of this, it will take more than one person.

I can start off by asking some questions.
But, there is just no way Im going to be able to research it all.

1. Has anyone read The Return of the Magi by Maurice Magre, pub. 1931? It consists of six historical accounts of legends of mystic magi, one of which is Saint Germain. It seems that this book and some theosophists of the time were expecting an actual physical appearance by this Saint Germain. Strangely enough, there are reported APPEARANCES of Saint Germain on Mt. Shasta in the 1930s.

Is this just a case of folks attributing a label on to something that is in their collective unconsciousness?
Did a figure appear in the 1930s on the slopes of Mt. Shasta and the name Saint Germain was stamped on the manifestation to make sense of it? Or was it Saint Germain? Or was it bullcrap? Or was it mysterious bullcrap? LOL J

2. It seems an author by the name of Mary Lee wrote a few books about Mt.Shasta while living there The Brazen Door, The courageous Khan and Adventuring with trees published before 1937. These books are not easy to get a hold of but here is a quote No longer living in material bodies, it becomes obvious that the masters have no need of material things, for example, those articles which are exchangeable for gold nuggets in the shops of the city of mount Shasta and McCloud, as has been erroneously reported to have occurred. Those reporting such tales were either themselves misinformed, deluded, tricked by their own fancies, exploited by brother man, or were themselves not innocent in the exploitation of the credulous.

So, it seems we have another example of referring to the SHASTONIANS, (that was mine J) as being ascended masters of some kind.

3.Mah-Atman-Amsumata(pseudonym) or Norman R Westfall wrote Lord Maitreya or The New Golden Age, 1942.
Mr. Westfall considered himself to be in contact with Saint Germain and other ascended masters on the slopes of Mt. Shasta. He retells the higher laws of life as told to him by the SHASTONIANS (Im the manJ), what these laws are I have not the foggiest idea, I would love to know.
One of the stories penned by Westfall is called King of the Lemurians and I presume this is about the Lemurians as described by Madame Blavatasky.
Mt. Shasta is mentioned throughout this book, as for example: "Mt. Shasta, 'The Mountain of God' in America, is indeed the greatest focus of Light in the Western World at this time and will remain until the Great Work planned by the Great White Lodge is completed here for the in-coming and establishing of the New Golden Age". Again with the ascended master thing.

4.Godfre King Ray pseudonym of Guy Warren Ballard, penned The Saint Germain Series, pub, 1934. Considered to be the single most important book about the legend of Saint Germains appearance at Mount Shasta. Ballard was the founder of the I AM movement.



The author relates that in 1930 he came to Mount Shasta on business, and that he had already heard the rumor that there was a "Brotherhood of Mount Shasta, who formed a branch of the Great White Lodge" (p. 1). Hiking one day somewhere near the town of McCloud, Ballard stopped at a mountain spring and there met a young man later to be revealed as Saint Germain. The young man gave Ballard a cup of creamy liquid that came "directly from the Universal Supply, pure and vivifying as life itself" (p. 3). Ballard's life was forever transformed, and a religion was begun. The rest of the book contains an assortment of spiritual legends and teachings from the Ascended Masters. "The Ascended Masters are really Great Batteries of tremendous power and energy, and whatever touches their Radiance becomes highly charged with their 'Light Essence'....All their help and Radiation is forever a free gift of Love" (pp. 140-141).


The book is written as if it were fact: "To those who read this work, I wish to say, that these experiences are as real and true as mankind's existence on this earth today, and that they all occurred during August, September and October of 1930 upon Mount Shasta, California, U.S.A." (p. xiii). This book is the first in "The Saint Germain Series" of similar books by Godfr Ray King and others. The editor of the series notes that "At the request of the Ascended Master, Saint Germain, and Victory, the Tall Master from Venus, the material in this book is written in a plain, direct manner with no attempt to conform to artificial literary standards, or outer world authority. They said: 'This series of books must go forth in a simple modern style which the layman can easily understand'" (p. iv).

5. Davis, M. Evalyn Revelations of the Life Beautifull, 1908. Photograph of Mount Shasta, Calif. with caption: A beautiful spot, favorable to the children of God.


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I've placed a line to seperate the next entry, which, after reading about, seems to be head and shoulders above the rest of the information I've mentioned.


6. Frederick Spencer Oliver, A Dweller on Two Planets by Phylos the Thibetan finished in 1886.
Well here it is. This has got to be the granddaddy of the Mt. Shasta movement, the perverbial snow ball that grew into an avalanche.
The book concerns itself with Atlantian culture. Stating that Atlantis reached a high level of technological achievement.
Daily life in Atlantis is recounted with such mentions as antigravity air ships, submarine craft, television, wireless telephony, arial water generators, air conditioners, high speed rail and atomic telescopes.
Phylos mentions his last reincarnation in 19th century north America as a gold miner occult student of the Theo-Christic Adepts.
Phylos travels to Venus/Hisperia in a subtle body while his physical form remained at the temple inside of Mt Shasta.

Lettherebelight
21st June 2011, 20:21
This is a cracker of a thread. Just goes to show there's so much that we don't know about; not included in the History books.

I understand from Vedic sources that there is a tunnel that goes from Sri Lanka to South America.

Positive Vibe Merchant
22nd June 2011, 03:38
Thanks to KS, Carmody and Cjay for all the Australian info. Actually suprised that Pine Gap was not listed on the initial list.

More info on Cobblers would be great!

PVM

Nasu
22nd June 2011, 21:51
Thought this was interesting and slightly connectedN

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/bluepeople.html

Cartomancer
4th July 2011, 18:15
An Aboriginal perspective:


WHAT IS A SONGLINE? Where Do Songlines Come From?

The Aboriginal people of Australia, like most indigenous people around the world, hold the Earth to be a sacred, living thing. Our spiritual source brought to life all around us. For the original people of Australia, everything in the material world begins in the Dreamtime (somewhere between Spirit and Form) and is kept alive by their daily dreaming, songs and storytelling. These songs and stories are planted like seeds as they walk the same path across the earth, generation after generation. This is how the ley lines known in Australia as songlines were formed.

Striving to live in balance with the Earth and to honor the spirits of their ancestors has defined their lives. Aboriginal communities living in the traditional way spent their lives traveling very specific paths across the vast, challenging landscape. As members of the family struggled to survive, gave birth and died along these pathways, very deep and personal connections were formed between the people and the land.

http://thesongline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/800pxAnbangbang_gallery_Mimi_rock_art_cropped_thum b.jpg
Australian Aboriginal art rock painting of Mimi spirits in the Anbangbang gallery at Nourlangie in Kakadu National Park. Photo by Dustin M. Ramsey 2002

As they moved across the sprawling territory that was their home, they studied the nature around them with great reverence, sharing their songs, dreams and stories with one another as they walked the line. One generation after another passed in this way, and the stretch of land they walked grew to know them well, holding a powerful resonance with them. In this way, ley lines were formed in the earth, marking the path of each tribal community with its spiritual essence, stories and songs. Like seeds planted and nurtured for generations, these songs and stories, and the laughter and wisdom of their ancestors, lived on in the songline. When they needed guidance, they became quiet and listened for answers they knew would come back to them in a song from the depths of the earth.

Ley lines are paths on the Earth connecting two or more points of geographic significance - often monuments or monoliths. Where ley lines are discovered, they are generally understood to be a product of commonly traveled paths by ancient cultures. Individuals who can sense such things say that these lines are often highly charged with certain kinds of mystical energies and even healing properties. Songlines are ley lines specific to the indigenous people of Australia.

source: http://thesongline.com/blog/arts-culture/songlines/what-is-a-songline/


Songlines in Aboriginal Culture

Indigenous people believe that the blood of the gods, the subtle magnetic, celestial flow, circulates in the veins of the earth. This concept underlies the extensive occult science known as geomancy, the study of ley lines. A number of anthropologists and scientists have found that the Aborigines possess an acute sensitivity to magnetic and vital force flows emanating from the earth, which they refer to as songlines. Perhaps the oldest geomancy tradition, songlines are fundamental to Aboriginal initiatic knowledge and religion. Songlines are so named because they are maps written in songs, depicting mythic events at successive sites along a walking trail that winds through a region. Each Aboriginal tribe inherited a network of songlines, and all travel in the lands of neighboring tribes was done along these lines.

Early anthropologists were amazed by Aborigines who had walked through immense desert expanses, unerringly finding their way to tiny water holes or distant mission settlements. One anthropologist has remarked that "no one has ever met a lost Aborigine". Aborigines young and old seem to move through the countryside instinctively, in a manner comparable to what we now understand about bird and animal migration.

Tribal elders claim that not only Australia but the entire earth, at one time, was linked through the songlines.

read more: source: http://www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/abr_culture/songlines.php


Songlines, also called Dreaming tracks by Indigenous Australians within the animist indigenous belief system, are paths across the land (or, sometimes the sky[1]) which mark the route followed by localised 'creator-beings' during the Dreaming. The paths of the songlines are recorded in traditional songs, stories, dance, and painting.

A knowledgeable person is able to navigate across the land by repeating the words of the song, which describe the location of landmarks, waterholes, and other natural phenomena. In some cases, the paths of the creator-beings are said to be evident from their marks, or petrosomatoglyphs, on the land, such as large depressions in the land which are said to be their footprints.

By singing the songs in the appropriate sequence, Indigenous people could navigate vast distances, often travelling through the deserts of Australia's interior. The continent of Australia contains an extensive system of songlines, some of which are of a few kilometres, whilst others traverse hundreds of kilometres through lands of many different Indigenous peoples peoples who may speak markedly different languages and have different cultural traditions.

read more: source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songlines

Here you are. I'm sorry I didn't get back sooner. I was just reading the post below about Mt. Shasta. I have worked extensively through out the Mt. Shasta region as an archaeologist. I am currently working on a short film about an interesting site I found to the east of the mountain. I discovered an equinox event marker using the peak of the mountain to mark the event!

In this region of the US Native Americans had a tradition of creating what are known as "stacked stone" features similar to rock cairns. Many times these features resemble small columns because they were made out of local lava pieces that were tabular or squared of and easy to stack like bricks. No one is really sure of the function of these markers.

The alignment I discovered was comprised of five small stacks that were about 50cm tall from ground surface aligned almost perfectly east to west. When I first came across this alignment I was puzzled. I had seen many random patterns in areas that had these rock stacks. After thinking about this for a while I looked off to the west from the east end of the alignment. I was amazed at what I saw. Between my position and the peak of Mt. Shasta was a tall 4000' high ridge of mountains. This ridge blocked the view of Mt. Shasta from most points in this area. I was amazed to find that this alignment was placed in a spot where the peak of the mountain could be seen. A notch in the ridge of mountains allows one to view the snowy peak of Mt. Shasta from the alignment. The Natives built an alignment here not only to mark the location of the mountain but the notch in the ridge that made it visible in addition to the demarcation of the equinox events. To sight the peak you have to stand at the east end of the alignment of rock stacks and view the peak through the notch in the ridge. Amazing! After I checked the planetarium software I realized this alignment marked the equinox events! There is no doubt as to the Native American origins of this sighting device. The feature was surrounded by flakes of obsidian that were used to produce stone tools as well as fragments of some of the tools themselves. It was also nearby an ancient village site.

nearing
4th July 2011, 18:39
Anyone know the exact location of Dulce? I may need to go on a field trip...

RMorgan
4th July 2011, 18:40
You can find MANY of these tunnels on So Tom das Letras, Minas Gerais State, Brazil.

My older brother organized an expedition on some of these tunnels. He and his team traveled 3 days on one of them, but they had to stop, because it was obstructed by sand.

During his studies, he concluded that these tunnels are not made by rain or water. They seem to be made using some kind of rotational tool. He also have found many ceramic instruments, like pots and pipes. After sending those instrument to analyses, some archaeologists found them to be Mayan.

Realeyes
30th August 2011, 09:46
THANK YOU EVERYONE who has contributed to this amazing thread! I am wowed!!! :roll::biggrin1:

phillipbbg
30th August 2011, 10:06
Here is a VID on the Antarctic entrances.... I after looking up on Google earth took a screen shot of my finding the entrance myself which any of you can do as well

Screen shot on my google docs https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B--SGE-HuftQODQ0YTllODItMzc5NC00Mjc0LTgyYzctMjIxNWU0NDU1Y TU3&hl=en_US


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DirMYyERmVI&feature=player_embedded

KosmicKat
30th August 2011, 16:33
Re: Carmody and monoatomic alchemical gold, I am reminded of Chaucer's wry observation (The Canterbury Pilgrims) that physicians prize gold above all other medicines.

This thread, totally drinking from the firehose!

Lefty Dave
30th August 2011, 17:05
Greetings Phillipbbg
anxious to know the dimensions of that new opening you found in antarctica...thanks for the post.

phillipbbg
30th August 2011, 17:46
Greetings Phillipbbg
anxious to know the dimensions of that new opening you found in antarctica...thanks for the post.

To be honest I don't know, I watched the video and decided to see if it was real or not, got on google earth and worked my way into the right area zoomed in .... to my surprise it is there... so I took a screen shot and stored for use on forums. This does not happen often when verifying video evidence. But it is not small because Google Earth can only focus to about 5 - 10 mtr squared so its quite large... to me it could well be a volcanic vent, I think you could fly a small plane into it as it is on a ridge... I will track it again and post the co-ordinates.

Buggers Google Earth is only a plug in for me now, and I don't use it enough to get the Pro version, but the size is 40 meters by 20 meters high aprox

Here is a link URL that will take you to what I have been looking at, just zoom in bit by bit and you will see it...

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Antarctica&hl=en&ll=-66.554821,99.84375&spn=0.037018,0.234489&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=14.097003,43.286133&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=13 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Antarctica&hl=en&ll=-66.554821,99.84375&spn=0.037018,0.234489&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=14.097003,43.286133&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=13)

DNA
30th April 2012, 17:28
I'll start off with #8 THE MALTESE CAVE
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By: Seth Haniel (http://projectavalon.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-6651.html)
In an article which appeared in the August, 1940 issue of the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC Magazine. The article stated the following concerning several people who disappeared in these catacombs without a trace:

(http://projectavalon.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-6651.html)The story goes much "deeper" however, than the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC article indicates. Other sources say that ABOUT 30 CHILDREN vanished in these catacombs on the study tour, and that when the "Hypogeum" was first discovered nearly 30,000 human skeletons of men, women and children (victims of ancient sacrifice to the "underworld gods", performed by an old neolithic race) were discovered as well.

One article written by a Miss Lois Jessup, at the time an employee of the British embassy and later secretary for the New York Saucer Information Bureau (better known as NYSIB), appeared in an old issue of Riley Crabb's BORDERLAND SCIENCE magazine, published by the Borderland Sciences Research Foundation (B.S.R.F.) and was later reprinted in full in Dr. Allen's book ENIGMA FANTASTIQUE.

Miss Jessup claimed that she visited Malta and the Hypogeum also, once before the tragic disappearance of the children, and shortly thereafter. She described how on her first visit to the catacombs she finally convinced the guide to allow her to investigate one of the so-called "burial chambers" near the floor of the last chamber in the third sub-basement, the supposed "end" of the Hypogeum tour. He seemed to know something she didn't, but finally consented and told her that she could enter at "her own risk". As she did so, candle in hand and her loosed sash being used as a guide rope for her friends who followed behind, she crawled through the small passage and eventually emerged into a large cavern, where she found herself on a ledge overlooking a very deep, seemingly bottomless chasm. Below and on the other side of the chasm was another ledge which appeared to lead to a doorway or tunnel in the far wall. We realize that what happened next might sound unbelievable to many who read this, but we would ask them to make their own determination of it's validity. Miss Jessup swears that what follows really happened.

Out of this lower tunnel on the far side of the chasm, she claims, emerged in single file several very large creatures of humanoid form but completely covered with hair from head to foot. Noticing her, they raised their arms in her direction, palms out, at which point a violent "wind" began to blow through the cavern, snuffing out her candle. Then, some "thing" wet and slippery (apparently a creature of a different sort) brushed past her. This all happened just as the person behind her was beginning to emerge from the passage and into the cavern. They could not understand her panicked attempts to get back to the "Hypogeum" room, but they consented after she insisted. When they found themselves back in the Hypogeum chamber, the guide saw her expression and gave her a "knowing" look. About a week afterwards the disappearance of the children and their teacher(s) took place, and on her second visit she saw an entirely new guide who denied that the other guide had ever worked there, although she knew that this new guide was hiding something.

She learned from more cooperative sources however, that THIS was the tunnel that the children and their teacher(s) and possibly the old guide, had entered. She also learned that after the last child had made it through, the walls of the small tunnel just "happened" to collapse or cave-in. Although the official version stated that the walls caved-in on the students, search parties were never able to locate any trace of the teacher(s) or the children, although the rope that they had used to fasten themselves to the lower Hypogeum chamber was found to have been CLEAN CUT as if by something sharp (not falling rock). It was asserted that for weeks afterwards the wailing and screaming of children was heard underground in different parts of the island, but no one could locate the sources of the cries.
As for the Catacombs beneath Malta itself, there are some ancient accounts which say that deep caverns beneath the island continue underground BEYOND the shores, and according to one source [i.e. the ever elusive "Commander-X"], part of this labyrinth stretches hundreds of miles northwards and intersects with catacombs beneath Rome (the hill Vaticanus?) or at least did so in ancient times...

More on this mysterious Hypogeum in Malta from Linda Moulton Howe:

Malta's 6,000-Year-Old Hypogeum -
Built to Alter Minds with Sound? Click for report.

(http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1974&category=Science)There is a niche carved at the back of the Hypogeum oracle room
chamber that seems like a deliberate amplification channel for throwing sound.
-Linda Eneix, Founder, Mediterranean Inst. of Ancient Civilizations

http://www.earthfiles.com/images/news/M/MaltaStoneSoundsHypogeum21.jpg

The Oracle Room has a powerful acoustic resonance in the
Hal Saflieni Hypogeum of Paola, Malta, the only prehistoric underground
temple in the world dated to about 6,000 years old. Hypogeum means
underground in Greek. Image

GoodETxSG
30th April 2012, 17:47
Interesting that the Cherokee also talked of 'Blue Men'.
I was listening to an interview the other night and the guest (cant remember his name) said that a race of Blue skinned Aliens came to the Earth and lived amongst the people for hundreds of years.
He claimed these people are whom the Hindus worship as gods (remember the Hindu Gods are blue skinned)

Cheers for this very interesting thread OP
Hurritt

This is the story that my Cherokee grand father told me as a child. He led me to believe that they were "Fish People" or aquatic in nature. Did this interview mention this story of the Cherokee blue skinned people? If so please try to remember any names in the interview so I can find it. It would be much appreciated!

GoodETxSG
30th April 2012, 17:50
I also have a more complete list of both bases and entrances somewhere in my documentation. I will search for it and post it ASAP; some of the places surprised me. It should open the conversation up even more.
Thanks again...

eni-al
11th July 2012, 05:22
I've seen this lists at various sites, some more extensive than others. I'm actually following this one here, its probably made from multiple sources, as the site is an archival site of all sorts.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_underground18b.htm

I am compiling a Google Earth map with many of these sites roughly placed. Very interested in all these subterranean locations.


About the Staffordshire hole. the information is very sketchy, not much about that, beyond the account by Robot Plot, what it needs is some proper research actually in Staffordshire, maybe if to just see wether there is any truth to it or not.
The book, History of Staffordshire, was actually published in 1686, as opposed to the late 1700's.
A page about about it and Rosicrucians.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/rrm/rrm06.htm

You could spend years actually looking for all these places.

DNA
12th July 2012, 15:08
I've seen this lists at various sites, some more extensive than others. I'm actually following this one here, its probably made from multiple sources, as the site is an archival site of all sorts.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_underground18b.htm

I am compiling a Google Earth map with many of these sites roughly placed. Very interested in all these subterranean locations.

This was some good stuff. I'm very interested in these locations as well, and I look forward to seeing your Google Earth Map compilation when youre done creating it. :)



About the Staffordshire hole. the information is very sketchy, not much about that, beyond the account by Robot Plot, what it needs is some proper research actually in Staffordshire, maybe if to just see whether there is any truth to it or not.

The book, History of Staffordshire, was actually published in 1686, as opposed to the late 1700's.
A page about it and Rosicrucians.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/rrm/rrm06.htm

You could spend years actually looking for all these places.

This felt more like the author was interested in the narrative rather than conveying information. To summarize, a guy in pre-industrial England finds a hinged man hole cover stone lid in a field, lifts it and finds a stone stair case, climbs down and has the crap scared out of him by a robed figure who he thinks is a Rosicrucian.

I'm all for narratives that convey a sense of awe and wonder in relation to this idea of advanced beings living underground. HP LOVECRAFT's THE MOUND (http://www.psy-q.ch/lovecraft/html/mound.htm)was a piece of fiction that acted like a paradigm changer in that regard for me. I highly recommend it. The Schaver stories are excellent as well.

DNA
12th July 2012, 15:21
I should start a new thread with this information, it is really intriguing stuff.
David Paulides is a retired cop who found out through a conversation with a national park employee that there are a mulitude of unexplainable disappearances.

The park employee explained how there seems to be a bit of a cover up, and this led David Paulides to compile a database on what he deemed high strange disappearances in National Parks all over the United States.

I think this belongs here, because I think many National Parks are placed on possible underground long time alien bases.

This connection is never mentioned by David Paulides, but I invite you to listen and connect the dots for your self.
George Knapp does the interview. It's really good.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4nCKmxzG80


This interview David Paulides does with Jeff Rense (http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/12/rense-david-paulides-100s-of-missing-people-in-us-national-parks-eastern-us/)is awesome as well.

eni-al
13th July 2012, 04:10
Yeah, the story of the Staffordshire hole, is terribly lacking in anything really useful, could just be a story, it almost seems like it was written to not be discoverable, as to not prove or disprove its existence, such as being far from farms and not precisely stating the valley, which you'd think would be quite important. The most interesting thing about it is the account of the sounds heard 'heavy waggons or lumbering wains', which today would be recognised as the sounds of machinery most likely. Bit of a dead end on it though, probably have to let it go. :p

Hopefully will get the Google earth data up soon as I can. ;) Got a bit fixated with Mels hole, if I could get in contact with locals, get more details of the terrain and such it may be possible to narrow down the area. Provided it does exist, really depends whether other people did visit the hole.
Hard to find the area, and I think Red Elk is not being too accurate with his directions :p

Saw message on profile, just wondering what research your doing, any place in particular, kind of thing? :)
Pretty lucky to live the US, Arizona having reported areas of basses, pretty envious. :p

Imagift
13th July 2012, 05:40
I live in the Dehcho which is the region that contains the Nahanni Valley and receives all the waters from the Nahanni Valley and unfortunately from the Oilsands project in Alberta.



Carmody do you have a map of the lines of the Nahanni Region?

Joseph8
16th July 2012, 09:38
I believe the person who started this thread alluded to us reporting sightings near the entrances of these different entrance points in an attempt to map the creatures that may use them...
#16, Mammoth Cave. I grew up in KY about two hours drive from Mammoth Cave National Park. When I was 13 my family spent a week camping there and I remember hearing that the Green River, which runs through the park, had areas attached to the cave system and reportedly didn't have a recorded bottom depth. During that trip, my brother and I were hiking next to river and came upon what could be described as nothing other than enormous Bigfoot prints in the mud next to the water and crossing the trail. They were so perfect! So clearly imprinted and massive that we assumed they had to have been a prank. Now years later having tuned in to Hollow Earth theory and read a few books on the subject, I think we may have seen something really rare. This is unfortunately is one of the two extraordinarily reality shattering things I have ever experienced, but hey at least its something.
Also for the sake of mentioning, in the same general area of Kentucky there is commonly known history of "The Blue People of Troublesome Creek." They pass the skin color off as being a genetically inherited condition/DNA abnormality, but then again isn't that exactly what you would call 6th generation ET/human crossbreeds?
Heres a link to some of the background
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyperry3/Blue_Fugates_Troublesome_Creek.html

DNA
18th July 2012, 01:59
I believe the person who started this thread alluded to us reporting sightings near the entrances of these different entrance points in an attempt to map the creatures that may use them...
#16, Mammoth Cave. I grew up in KY about two hours drive from Mammoth Cave National Park. When I was 13 my family spent a week camping there and I remember hearing that the Green River, which runs through the park, had areas attached to the cave system and reportedly didn't have a recorded bottom depth. During that trip, my brother and I were hiking next to river and came upon what could be described as nothing other than enormous Bigfoot prints in the mud next to the water and crossing the trail. They were so perfect! So clearly imprinted and massive that we assumed they had to have been a prank. Now years later having tuned in to Hollow Earth theory and read a few books on the subject, I think we may have seen something really rare. This is unfortunately is one of the two extraordinarily reality shattering things I have ever experienced, but hey at least its something.
Also for the sake of mentioning, in the same general area of Kentucky there is commonly known history of "The Blue People of Troublesome Creek." They pass the skin color off as being a genetically inherited condition/DNA abnormality, but then again isn't that exactly what you would call 6th generation ET/human crossbreeds?
Heres a link to some of the background
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kyperry3/Blue_Fugates_Troublesome_Creek.html

You should really listen to the interview from post number #63 which is three posts before yours.
It's intriguing to no end that you saw big foot prints. The interviewee David Paulides of the interview I just mentioned personally believes that the bigfoot creatures live underground, or within cave systems. Paulides also paints a picture of dissapearances within not a few national parks that he says are damn near unexplainable. I personally think there may be other races we have not much clue about involved in this, but Paulides is an unapologetic bigfoot researcher, and I think he is pretty sure there is a link there.

All in all, I for one would always have an eye on my kid after listening to this interview.

WhiteFeather
17th November 2012, 23:50
Awesome Thread DNA, bumping it a tad. I wasnt a member yet when this thread was created.

Carmody
5th August 2013, 16:36
almost every time i hear of some atmospheric or similar anomaly, I do a check on whether it is near or on some ley line.

Almost every single time, it is exactly the correct answer area and analysis to be exploring.

I found this article and remembered that aspect.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384260/Mystery-shadowy-dark-line-shooting-cloud-Florida-beach-stumps-weather-experts.html#ixzz2azRLsuB4

Unsolved: Mike Weight, 73, observed this odd dark line shooting down from a cloud at Honeymoon Island, Florida

I was looking North when I observed what looked like a ray of dark light coming down from a small cloud to the surface of the Gulf about a half-mile away, the 73-year-old man wrote in an email to Tampa Bay Times, adding that the line lingered in the sky for about a minute before fading.

The Clearwater resident sent two pictures showing the mystery phenomenon to the paper, hoping to find out what it was.

An odd dark vertical line that was observed in the sky over Florida earlier this week has left meteorologists puzzled.

The shadowy apparition was spotted and photographed by Mike Weight at Honeymoon Island State Park near Dunedin, Florida, Wednesday.

Weight was walking on the beach at around 12.30pm. The day was bright and sunny, but there were thunderheads forming to the east.


'At first I thought it was an optical illusion because it was like a dark piece of sky with a light sky background,' Weight told the paper. 'You could see through it.'

Since there has been a spike in water spout sightings in the area recently, Weight thought that what he was seeing might be a funnel cloud, but that seemed unlikely.


A spike in waterspout sightings recently.

Lets look at the astrology of 'recently'.

Note this well.

http://astroshaman.com/wp-content/uploads/grand-trine-7-29-13.gif

What it is, is a map of the "electrostatic/electromagnetic vibrational magento-hydro-dynamic flow patterns influence" of the energies of the solar system, as a pattern, as seen from the earth (what is influencing and impacting the earth). this is part of the reality formation matrix that is the fundamental of this dimensional protrusion we call reality and 3d time-space, How it (the earth)can be influenced by the fundamental from which it emerges.

The planets (of the solar system) mark and hold at 'high energy' spots in that revolving vibrational pattern (that is happening in 3d and in time, and FTL), like mega structure versions of the particles of an atomic structure. The zero point of this structure, is the sun, and it gradually fans out to the Oort cloud. you could almost call this Oort boundary as being the electron cloud limit and the "casimir/van-der-waals" edge of the solar system, as compared to an atomic structure. As above, so below. Again, the mega structure version of an atomic/dimensional crossing structure.

The earth itself is subject to these vibrational energy patterns that pass through it and also modulate it. it has different vibrational patterns that influence it, in the form of geometric or platonic solids, which is what you find when you search at vortex maps, or ley line analysis.

this huge resonance pattern that we are being influenced by, right now, at this time of increased waterspouts n the Florida area is coming from that pattern of planetary alignments and the energetic alignments and vibrations.

It is important to understand that the planets may no be the source but merely like foam or sand that gathers at vibrational nodes, that this energy pattern is marked in position by the planets and astrological analysis.... but it is not necessarily, by any means, to be mistaken that this is due to the planets themselves. That the planets and node positions themselves may have developed as a PAIR.

Getting back to the point about the platonic solid vibrational pattern that is on the surface of the planet. This outer solar system astrological pattern is firing off the earth, like a 'horn', and it is vibration at these dimensional aetheric levels, these dark matter dimensional pattern levels...and we get this protrusion here, in Florida... this dimensional energetic emergence. waterspouts and this line in the sky..right on a ley line (ley lines drift a tiny bit, constantly)

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I'm adding the photos and relevant images manually so information does not get lost when links change or are removed at their source point.

The time date and place is ascertained, we find that mike looks t the north of the island he is on, toward rabbit key, and he snaps this photo at 12:30pm. The plants in the image show the sun to be behind him nearly straight up, and that means he is facing north when taking this photo. He is taking a photo pointed in the direction of Rabbit key, from Honeymoon island. He's looking right at the ley line, at point blank range, at a time of high energy conditions at ley lines.

The high increase in cattle mutilations is also playing in here, lots of capacity for 'others' to cross into our space, just a bit, at this astrological time. this is also why archons (small a) have to work through humans and desire a pyramid structure as they can exert little true influence here.

They need to make SURE their followers adhere to a pyramid structure, so they may exert influence via said structure. Understand, the pyramid influence methodology is the only thing that allows for it. they are fluffing themselves, like a cat arches it's back, to make itself look big, or how a parasite attaches to the point in the structure that is effective. Nothing more. It isn't really their capacity to do things, it is their attachment to human structure that is the problem. Their connection to it and the resultant design and organization of that human structure. Their real influence is minimal, at best. You are dealing with a human structure not an Archon structure.

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Florida is known for it's 'magnetic anomalies',and when you look at the major ley line or vortex grid point, UVG 18 and it's proximity to Florida, you can see why this is the deal.

Same for the UK, there is a major grid point in Northern Scotland. Scottish Rite Freemasonry. Origin point of the fiat currencies part of the world dominance issues of today. Major Ley line influences in the UK. Coincidence? I think not.

Oh yes. to help with the interpretation. Dimensional rifts as seen from 3d linear unidirectional time/space that we live in, tend to be seen as flat 2d structures, like sprites are seen in video games where 2d games are converted to 3D. they look like shifty flat 'free-space hanging 2d... but almost holographic, but still flat. It is a very freaky effect. We are looking at dimensional reflections and dimensional intrusion.

DNA
6th August 2013, 08:24
I've always meant to get more into astrology. Edgar Cayce recomended "sidereal" over "tropical" astrology.

It's interesting the idea that astrology is basically ley lines in space with cartesian vector systems emanating from the sun. It makes sense


The high increase in cattle mutilations is also playing in here, lots of capacity for 'others' to cross into our space, just a bit, at this astrological time. this is also why archons (small a) have to work through humans and desire a pyramid structure as they can exert little true influence here.

They need to make SURE their followers adhere to a pyramid structure, so they may exert influence via said structure. Understand, the pyramid influence methodology is the only thing that allows for it. they are fluffing themselves, like a cat arches it's back, to make itself look big, or how a parasite attaches to the point in the structure that is effective. Nothing more. It isn't really their capacity to do things, it is their attachment to human structure that is the problem. Their connection to it and the resultant design and organization of that human structure. Their real influence is minimal, at best. You are dealing with a human structure not an Archon structure.



I like this point you make here. It reminds me of the Drunvello Melchezidek story of ancient Martians coming to earth and causing demensional holes to manifest on earth by creating a faulty technological merkaba. These dimensional holes were then utilized by different parasitic non-physical types and the archons seem to fall into that group of oppurtunistic parasites.
I find it fascinating as well that this technological merkaba Melchezidek talks about is of course pyramidal in nature and you talk of the archons needing pyramids.

Here is an excellent depiction of the Melchezidek story involving the martians and their failed technological merkaba and the dissasterous resulting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwCaZaSon9A