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Anno
8th June 2011, 20:11
There is a lot of Detective type energy around at the moment. Who dunnit? Are there spies left undetected? Etc.

If you'd like to exercise that energy away from the general entropy, I invite you to join me in discussing this themed hypothetical mystery. Set here in Avalon...


While perusing the discussion of The Charles Saga, you pick up a discomforting vibe from one of the posts. It seems to be a pro-Charles threat being issued from behind a veil of passive aggression. Your curiosity piqued, you delve further into the activity of the poster. Her name is 'Charlotte'. Your investigations completed you look down upon your detective style notebook and consider the following facts that you have discovered. Smoking a pipe at this point is optional.

1. Charlotte has been a paying member of another alternative media forum for xxxx days.

2. During this time she has made xxxxx posts. An average of x.xxxx posts per day.

3. Charlotte has been a member of Project Avalon for xx days.

4. During this time she has made xxx posts. An average of xxxxx posts per day.

Clearly a marked change in behaviour. You decide to look for a consistency within this anomaly that may be indicative of a cause. Or, perhaps even a motive.

x.xxxx of Charlotte's xxx posts are actually new threads that she has started since she joined. Although started is an inaccurate term. Further inquiry revealing that they are, more accurately stated, transplanted here from other Alternative Media Forums. At an average rate of xxx.xxx per day, every day. Busy little spider.

6. You browse these threads and discover that they are largely split in to two themes. The predominant theme is that of Fear Porn. This evil person did this evil thing. That evil person is planning this evil for you. We're all doomed. Vibration lowering, victim mentality inducing, fear porn.
The secondary theme is threads that reference the resident guru of the other Alternative Forum that Charlotte pays a monthly subscription to. Threads repeating the guru's lessons, repeating their 'evidence' and 'witnesses'. All passively advertising the guru and their forum.

You sit back to consider these puzzle pieces in order to answer the following:

1. Is there something afoot with Charlotte or is this normal behaviour?
2. If there is something afoot, what is the motive and the end goal?
3. If there is something afoot and the motive is nefarious, what should you do about it?

Again, smoking a pipe or playing the violin while you consider this, is optional.

There are no 'right' answers. =]

Anno
10th June 2011, 13:47
Note:

In answer to why I'm being vague and hypothetical: Prime Directive. I'm new and it's not my place to interfere with the natural evolution of Avalon. Although, the lines blur when someone else is. Or appears to be. At this point, Dharma comes into conflict with Prime Directive. Fortunately, during a stroll through the forests of Avalon the other day I noticed this notice that was posted by one of the local sheriffs. I see it as a local Bye-Law.


[...] the way grown-ups should be with grown-ups: issue a warning if you feel the need, and realize that sometimes your warnings will be heeded and sometimes they will not. Don't be surprised or flip out if someone ignores your warning - warn them then let them make their decision to do as they feel is best.[...]


I make that Prime Directive: 1 Dharma: 2

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Some more facts:

Charlotte is not alone. Spiders, with their multiple legs, can have feet in many places. If one place were to sink, they simply shift their balance and remain steady footed elsewhere. Follow their legs.

Charlotte's first actions (posts) were ingratiations carried out to create anchors for her web. These anchors are people that any new visitor here (like me) would recognise as the key characters of Avalon. Good anchors make for solidity and protection. The speed at which she accomplished this suggests she came with a list, help and people already in place.

Charlotte has already been questioned about her activity and these questions have been met with threats and hostility.

Some proto-theories.

The Internet is an eco-system and in the 11 years that I've been using it, I've seen it continually terraformed using the same methods that you see in the last remaining places of natural beauty in the world. Explorers and Pioneers discover them first and treat them with respect. Then someone of a commercial mind comes along and starts to entice tourists. The tourists come in droves and generate an income, but they are transient and trample everything in sight. When the novelty wears off they move on to fresh pastures leaving any surviving natives and explorers to strike a balance for existence with the budget tourists that will follow. Most of the original explorers and natives having long since left and been scattered around the internet forest where they will spawn new eco-systems of beauty and the process will start again. The Alternative Media is one of last semi-wild places left in the Internet Wilderness.

Applying all of the above creates two potential motives:

a) Charlotte is on loan. The advertising of her Guru is part payment. Her job is to terraform Avalon by laying down lots of Tourist attracting fear porn. The end result being Avalon in a position to start selling advertising space.

## Given how much work the application process here generates for mods and Bill having shown no prior signs of commercial tendencies compared to other high profile truth seekers, I don't consider this solution as probable although it is possible.

b) Charlotte is a saboteur. She is terraforming with fear porn to increase tourist numbers to overwhelm Avalon and drive out idignant natives and explorers who can see what will happen to their eco-system. The same process as seen in the Forest Gardening thread in 'Off The Grid'. Awesome thread that btw.

## Whilst more likely, there is insufficient data to determine for whom she working. The guru connection could be a giveaway caused by greed and arrogance, or it could be a misdirection and 'frame up'.

c) Something else.

## Who knows?! And what data is still unrevealed?

Lily de Cuir
10th June 2011, 14:01
A most intriguing post Anno,

I will be watching it with interest.....

Cheers,
Lily:spider:

Dorok
10th June 2011, 15:37
Ok, so there's only one member that I can find who comes close to meeting the criteria of 'join date' and '# of posts'. Now what?

Anno
10th June 2011, 15:48
Ok, so there's only one member that I can find who comes close to meeting the criteria of 'join date' and '# of posts'. Now what?

Awh. Don't rush right to the end. I want to know what people think of this 'hypothetical' behaviour. Can it be explained or justified? What reasons can you think of that would make you act in this way? What we need here is light and lots of it. Witch hunts and vindication will be playing in to their hands.

Dorok
10th June 2011, 15:53
So, be clear. Is this all hypothetical (not sure what 'hypothetical' means - do the quotes make it less of an imagined reality?) or is this not?

Anno
10th June 2011, 16:02
So, be clear. Is this all hypothetical (not sure what 'hypothetical' means - do the quotes make it less of an imagined reality?) or is this not?

Hypothetical is a made up scenario that allows you to discuss something openly that might otherwise cause tension if you addressed it as 'real'. Given everything else going on here and my wish to maintain independent, I chose to use Hypothetical.

Although, after being told privately that many people are aware but are bullied in to silence, and out of respect for you asking me directly, I can confirm that I am talking about a real person. Or at least a real user account being used by person(s) unknown.

I'd much rather we focussed on the behaviour itself than the person, otherwise this thread will fill with them and their co-conspirators pulling the usual strawman and distraction nonesense. Besides, perhaps there is an innocent explanation?

Dorok
10th June 2011, 16:13
I, for one, consider these to be a constant presence in one form or another on every medium. I think they are rather tolerated or ignored by management. I think the 'benefit' of the doubt is extended farther in their respect due to their high post count being mutual advantageous. I observe it in terms of a symbiotic parasitic relationship.

Carmody
10th June 2011, 16:13
The idea of giving people room is part of the rope we give to others -to hang us with. It is double sided, this humanitarian directive.

however it is not universal, is the deal. Even Buddhists are allowed to kill, under the right circumstances. (nay, directed by circumstance and their understandings) Which are very limited circumstances or situations.

This is rarely mentioned, for all the right reasons. Humans and their fears like to take things into their own egoic hands and exalt themselves in such situations.

Do not 'imagine' any reading into this post. I was only expanding into my original point about humanitarian directives not being wholly universal, by showing example. it's not all non-war, all the time. There are always exceptions, otherwise, nothing would change.

Meaning, in the grand scheme of the idea of the multi-dimensional universe, there would eventually come a 'total lock-up freeze point' of some kind, if hard rules existed as a state of absolute permanence. Thus the danger of dogmatism.

Anno
10th June 2011, 16:24
Notice:

I've been told that unless I am willing to betray the confidences of any person who claims to have had negative contact with this person, I may not include any such contact as part of this discussion. Please pretend that no such thing happened. And please don't start naming people. You may get it wrong.

Ilie Pandia
10th June 2011, 16:28
This thread is an attack on a member of the forum and no evidence has been offered to support it.

This is not OK.

PS: I have contacted Anno asking him/her to report any troublesome posts or PMs. I will open this thread when that happens.

PS2: The member that you talk about here is easily identifiable and Anno already said is a real person. So the "hypothetical" discussion is not so at all.

:closed: