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Gareth
15th March 2010, 20:27
THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary
_________________________________________
For Immediate Release March 9, 2009
MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES


SUBJECT: Scientific Integrity
Science and the scientific process must inform and guide decisions of my Administration on a wide range of issues, including improvement of public health, protection of the environment, increased efficiency in the use of energy and other resources, mitigation of the threat of climate change, and protection of national security.

The public must be able to trust the science and scientific process informing public policy decisions. Political officials should not suppress or alter scientific or technological findings and conclusions. If scientific and technological information is developed and used by the Federal Government, it should ordinarily be made available to the public. To the extent permitted by law, there should be transparency in the preparation, identification, and use of scientific and technological information in policy-making. The selection of scientists and technology professionals for positions in the executive branch should be based on their scientific and technological knowledge, credentials, experience, and integrity.

By this memorandum, I assign to the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (Director) the responsibility for ensuring the highest level of integrity in all aspects of the executive branch's involvement with scientific and technological processes. The Director shall confer, as appropriate, with the heads of executive departments and agencies, including the Office of Management and Budget and offices and agencies within the Executive Office of the President (collectively, the "agencies"), and recommend a plan to achieve that goal throughout the executive branch.

Specifically, I direct the following:
1. Within 120 days from the date of this memorandum, the Director shall develop recommendations for Presidential action designed to guarantee scientific integrity throughout the executive branch, based on the following principles:

(a) The selection and retention of candidates for science and technology positions in the executive branch should be based on the candidate's knowledge, credentials, experience, and integrity;

(b) Each agency should have appropriate rules and procedures to ensure the integrity of the scientific process within the agency;

(c) When scientific or technological information is considered in policy decisions, the information should be subject to well-established scientific processes, including peer review where appropriate, and each agency should appropriately and accurately reflect that information in complying with and applying relevant statutory standards;

(d) Except for information that is properly restricted from disclosure under procedures established in accordance with statute, regulation, Executive Order, or Presidential Memorandum, each agency should make available to the public the scientific or technological findings or conclusions considered or relied on in policy decisions;

(e) Each agency should have in place procedures to identify and address instances in which the scientific process or the integrity of scientific and technological information may be compromised; and

(f) Each agency should adopt such additional procedures, including any appropriate whistleblower protections, as are necessary to ensure the integrity of scientific and technological information and processes on which the agency relies in its decision-making or otherwise uses or prepares.

2. Each agency shall make available any and all information deemed by the Director to be necessary to inform the Director in making recommendations to the President as requested by this memorandum. Each agency shall coordinate with the Director in the development of any interim procedures deemed necessary to ensure the integrity of scientific decision-making pending the Director's recommendations called for by this memorandum.

3. (a) Executive departments and agencies shall carry out the provisions of this memorandum to the extent permitted by law and consistent with their statutory and regulatory authorities and their enforcement mechanisms.

(b) Nothing in this memorandum shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) authority granted by law to an executive department, agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(c) This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity, by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

4. The Director is hereby authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

BARACK OBAMA

Samarkis
16th March 2010, 10:34
I am also very sad what has happened to this .....however, disclosure will come from the people.....and in turn , it will be the people that welcome our galactic community.....

I feel it will be very soon.....: )

Kra
17th March 2010, 09:36
I don't think it will be that soon Samarkis... although i hope so. I'm waiting to see what 2012 will mean for us and our planet.

Celine
17th March 2010, 10:07
I have always wondered....What motivates a government to want to disclose this ?

Kra
17th March 2010, 10:44
I would say they have an advantage. The majority of people don't have a clue about what is going on, yet... and if the government tells them first "their new version" of what is going on before they find out by themselves or it is evident... they can manipulate people some more. I am skeptic about disclosure from governments... i don't think they would ever make ET presence known to the masses without a hidden reason (to manipulate people or justify some actions).

Lucid Jia
19th March 2010, 13:07
If you believe that black ops tech is hundreds of years more advanced than main stream science. Then you must believe they have the technology to clone humans. What better way to have a president completely under control than to have him as a clone (maybe several)?

Now to step this up a notch, could Obama be a clone of the ancient Egyptian mummy Akhenaten, the father of monotheism? The 1st lady a clone of Akhenatens mother -Queen Tiye? Akhenaten had two daughters. Could the daughters of Obama be the clones of Akhenaten daughters?

Before you write me of as completely nuts take a look at these comparisons and tell me there isnt an uncanny similarity of these two families....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NyweekGbqX4/SkQxasbrcTI/AAAAAAAAArM/ZBHF8cEj_nA/s400/Obama_Cloning.jpg

Whats the odds that the whole family have very similar appearances to this ancient ruling family? Is this some Freemason/Illuminati ritual being played out right in front of us?

I know this theory is not bullet proof but it is great to contemplate. Just imagine if this was disclosed on mainstream T.v. the outrage and insanity that would ensue would be completely chaotic.

Check out the full story on freemans blog here..
http://thefreemanperspective.blogspot.com/2009/02/barackhnaten-and-renaissance-tiye.html

Namaste, Jia.

SteveX
19th March 2010, 16:41
THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary
_________________________________________
For Immediate Release March 9, 2009 If anyone had read this last year there would have been no speculation as to November disclosure. It firmly shuts the door.
MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES


SUBJECT: Scientific Integrity
Science and the scientific process must inform and guide decisions of my Administration on a wide range of issues, including improvement of public health, protection of the environment, increased efficiency in the use of energy and other resources, mitigation of the threat of climate change, and protection of national security.

The public must be able to trust the science and scientific process informing public policy decisions. No cock ups. Political officials should not suppress or alter scientific or technological findings and conclusions. If scientific and technological information is developed and used by the Federal Government, it should ordinarily be made available to the public. To the extent permitted by law, Rule number 1 misuse National security there should be transparency in the preparation, identification, and use of scientific and technological information in policy-making everything else is covered by rule number 1. The selection of scientists and technology professionals for positions in the executive branch should be based on their scientific and technological knowledge, credentials, experience, and integrity.

By this memorandum just making sure everyone knows the score, I assign to the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (Director) the responsibility for ensuring the highest level of integrity in all aspects of the executive branch's involvement with scientific and technological processes. The Director shall confer, as appropriate, with the heads of executive departments and agencies, including the Office of Management and Budget and offices and agencies within the Executive Office of the President (collectively, the "agencies"), and recommend a plan to achieve that goal throughout the executive branch.

Specifically, I direct the following:
1. Within 120 days from the date of this memorandum, the Director shall develop recommendations for Presidential action designed to guarantee scientific integrity throughout the executive branch, based on the following principles:

(a) The selection and retention of candidates for science and technology positions in the executive branch should be based on the candidate's knowledge, credentials, experience, and integrity;

(b) Each agency should have appropriate rules and procedures to ensure the integrity of the scientific process within the agency;

(c) When scientific or technological information is considered in policy decisions, the information should be subject to well-established scientific processes, including peer review where appropriate, and each agency should appropriately and accurately reflect that information in complying with and applying relevant statutory standards.

(d) Except for information that is properly restricted from disclosure under procedures established in accordance with statute, regulation, Executive Order, or Presidential Memorandum, each agency should make available to the public the scientific or technological findings or conclusions considered or relied on in policy decisions;

(e) Each agency should have in place procedures to identify and address instances in which the scientific process or the integrity of scientific and technological information may be compromised; and (avoid whistle blowing)

(f) Each agency should adopt such additional procedures, including any appropriate whistleblower protections, as are necessary to ensure the integrity of scientific and technological information and processes on which the agency relies in its decision-making or otherwise uses or prepares.

2. Each agency shall make available any and all information deemed by the Director to be necessary to inform the Director in making recommendations to the President as requested by this memorandum. Each agency shall coordinate with the Director in the development of any interim procedures deemed necessary to ensure the integrity of scientific decision-making pending the Director's recommendations called for by this memorandum.

3. (a) Executive departments and agencies shall carry out the provisions of this memorandum to the extent permitted by law see rule number 1 and consistent with their statutory and regulatory authorities and their enforcement mechanisms.

(b) Nothing in this memorandum shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) authority granted by law to an executive department, agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(c) This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity, by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. Keep it internal

4. The Director is hereby authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register. So if you bugger it right up you can't say you didn't have any guid lines.

BARACK OBAMA

These types of memos are written in political correctness but gawd help anyone who doesn't read through the lines. Done up tighter than a miser’s wallet. Strictly no disclosure of anything.

Swami
20th March 2010, 13:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaCsMYN9iSM

Source: http://www.breitbart.tv/puzzling-statement-obama-says-louisiana-purchase-will-help-with-the-earthquake-in-hawaii/

Hawaii...???:confused::confused::confused:

Swami
21st March 2010, 09:43
... and is Obama the only clone who wandered around in the White House ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=130

Whoops...:alien:

K626
21st March 2010, 11:31
This is mischief of the highest order and utter nonsense. Don't waste your time with these wonderments. The key now is to rally and support your family and friends with good informtion regarding good spiritual practice and survival skills. Don't waste psychic energy fighting things that aren't there and set to distract us. I like 'Freeman' but he does have his 'games'.

Love

K

Kra
21st March 2010, 14:34
Swami that pictures is...outstanding, if it's real. They look like they are one and the same person.

Fredkc
21st March 2010, 19:12
If Obama is a clone then...

He HAS to be a clone of G.W. Bush, because it's all the same policies, just a different face.

Fred

haibane
22nd March 2010, 17:22
I will believe it when it happens - and I don't have much reason to assume it will, IMO it's all wishful thinking. The only disclosure will happen when the ETs actually land and disclose themselves. Thanks Steve for doing the work and pointing out that the document means nothing at all.

MorningSong
22nd March 2010, 20:23
I was ihis a few days ago.... I am not too informed on what's going on there.... what is this "Louisiana purchase"? Have they sold the state???

And what EQ in Hawaii??? it is yet to come???

viking
23rd March 2010, 10:41
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viking
23rd March 2010, 11:18
Another...this really pi**es me off if they can talk about it freely why can't Obama???

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viking

whiterose
23rd March 2010, 12:44
I agree with Haibane, they have no intention of disclosing anything, it would be too big and far too revealing of government strategy in general for them. We all know politicians lie trough their teeth, saying exactly what it is we want to hear to put them in power with no intention or ability to change the status quo once they get there unless of course it benefits their pockets, and yet we still vote for them.

If they actually told us the truth, it would consolidate that knowledge, and there would be uproar, and uprisings, as the vast majority of the populace woke up to the fact that we are treated like mushrooms, and kept well in our place, whilst the big boys play with our fates as if we were the pawns on a chessboard. The present system is so complex and so cleverly thought out, that those in the know will never let the general public anywhere near anything that might shake the very unstable foundations on which they have built their system.

I believe disclosure is happening, as more and more people accept, almost without thinking about it, that there has to be life other than us in this universe, and the evidence is overwhelmingly present, for those who wish to find it

Swanny
23rd March 2010, 13:27
I hope some country other than America discloses first, it would be much more believable :alien:

Steven
23rd March 2010, 14:46
Hello all. I really believe disclosure will be forced upon the government of our world. They certainly are uncomfortable with this issue. Part of the government leadership wants disclosure, other part does not. The military-industrial worldwide complex certainly does not want it to come out and is one of the major force to prevent disclosure. They get advantage of this secret way too much, they have too much to loose if disclosure happens. Scientific and technological industries are also big looser in disclosure. Religious powers are in the same boat as well. I am referring to the few in control of these power, and not the overall structure of course.

Add to this all the fear of confusion among the masses. The need to control the disclosure itself (once a party opens this Pandora's box, there will be an avalanche of information storming the public, and many are not fairy tales). The load of accusation that might come out (the government does not have white hands in these issues). Etc...

Nevertheless, the truth will come out and it will come from both the public and the aliens. The overwhelming force obliging to take a step ahead and comfort the public about alien contact will respond to an increasing amount of witnessing all over the world. It is already impressively increasing year after year. The technological means we enjoy today, to record sounds and images, more and more accessible by the common folk, certainly helps to create more pressures.

We are witnessing a change in balance of powers. The power which traditionally was maintaining alien contacts in secret is overwhelmed by the power which pushes forward the knowledge of alien visitation on Earth. Regardless the strength of this oppressive power, the strength of the power to bring light about alien visitation is measured in numbers and is actually outperforming the power of secrecy. It is only a matter of time to see the day our government will have to come out to the public to spread some light on this issue. When it will happen, we can be sure it will be "their" version of the facts, and they will not do it under the impulse of sharing the truth on a very decisive topic. But rather to alleviate their own burden.

The truth will come from us and the aliens. Necessarily the good ones, because the interventionist have everything too loose in disclosure.

Namaste, Steven

Swanny
23rd March 2010, 14:51
Best of all would be if the aliens just turned up and showed themselves, that would make our governments look really stupid :sarcastic:

Gemeos
23rd March 2010, 18:31
I'm really hopping that to happen Swanny!

PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH
24th March 2010, 11:19
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/a/u/2/myM_OGnfcNM


i dont listen to jones often only when he has certain guests and you tube only

this interveiw is very interesting, it ties in with freemans perspective on the slow degradation of the office of president on the usa starting with (clinton (affair exposed,bush electoral fraud, obama non citizen).:eek:

Humble Janitor
25th March 2010, 02:51
At this point, I don't think it really matters. It would do no good to continue to harp upon this rumor.

Redtailhawk
25th March 2010, 03:27
At this point, I don't think it really matters. It would do no good to continue to harp upon this rumor.

Humble Janitor, The FACT that Barry Soetoro was adopted in Indonesia is NOT a "rumor".....but, a verifiable fact. This is a most serious matter, and effects everything this alleged usurper is signing into law. We are seemingly being taken over by the "inside".

bosr
25th March 2010, 03:34
Rumor or not, I would like to see Obama present his credentials like everyone else is required to do and sqash this thing once and for all.

Redtailhawk
25th March 2010, 03:41
Barry Soetoro has spent over 1.5 million to quash all legal action to force him to show his long form birth certificate....does that not tell you all something? Who in their right mind, if questioned about their authenticity, would not relish in coming up with the proper documents to quash all the "birthers" if they were able? The man is a FRAUD!

starsmoonmtns
25th March 2010, 04:04
I have to agree 'strongly' with Redtailhawk on this one guys! The fact that this matter has still NOT been resolved or even taken seriously by our so-called politicians, not to mention most US citizens is a serious red-flag! Barry is a FRAUD! And, unfortunately, the American people are still asleep on this matter. And, it isn't even just his birth certificate that is at issue here, it goes way beyond that...
school records for one.

It is NOT over, till it's over.... what's the guy hiding?

pilotsimone
25th March 2010, 04:22
I don't see the significance. To me, this is Illuminati still playing off of the deep-seated racism that exists in a portion of the US population. Or really sore losers. Take your pick. LOL. Seeking to divide...to create fear...to keep HATE at the forefront of a good portion of Americans when we need only unite to find peace.

Burke
25th March 2010, 04:35
well this was the deciding moment for me that told me where Obama stands with the Illuminati

XNxT0C8Iq5A

there are alot more videos available on how much these guys hate Obama if you care to look em up on youtube

Humble Janitor
25th March 2010, 06:15
Barry Soetoro has spent over 1.5 million to quash all legal action to force him to show his long form birth certificate....does that not tell you all something? Who in their right mind, if questioned about their authenticity, would not relish in coming up with the proper documents to quash all the "birthers" if they were able? The man is a FRAUD!

And how much longer is this birther garbage going to drag on, while the country falls apart?

Majorion
25th March 2010, 10:42
I don't think it makes any difference. Indeed the whole birther issue is irrelevant anyway, so even if you find out the guy (Obama) is not actually eligible, so what? say he's kicked out of office right now, what then? next thing is an even worse President that won't make much of a difference, I don't need to remind you guys these are all just puppets there to give speeches, sign papers, and take heat. Don't give importance to a puppet, you all know very well; your issues are rooted with the controllers. And as a general rule; anything that gets coverage on the MSM is usually irrelevant, this "issue" is no exception.

Daft Ada
25th March 2010, 14:40
That's what I would like to happen too Swanny, then they would have to come clean, and with short notice we might get more truth out of them. Unless of course they are already prepared.

Debby
25th March 2010, 14:52
I don't believe it will come from the goverment. Why would they? Haven't they lied just about everything? They will only tell something if it is in their benefit.
If they dicolsure, The first thing that comes up in my mind would be why, what are they after? Project bluebeam? And it would never be the real truth. I am not holding my breath on this one and don't even care if they don't dicolsure.Why? The answer is in us, we already know. I don't need those @$%* tell me what to believe.

debbyxxxx

bosr
26th March 2010, 03:41
I don't see the significance. To me, this is Illuminati still playing off of the deep-seated racism that exists in a portion of the US population. Or really sore losers. Take your pick. LOL. Seeking to divide...to create fear...to keep HATE at the forefront of a good portion of Americans when we need only unite to find peace.
Doesn't make sense to me. We are quick to point our fingers and puff out our chests at claims of infidelity, pedophilia, financial transgressions, etc. but try to follow the issues on this and behold ~ Now your'e a racist or loser. I'm sure you were poking fun and I'm not picking on you pilotsimone, but it was ok to have congressional hearings regarding McCain's citizenship without racial slurs et. al. The more they try to position themselves as the victim the more we need to pay attention.


And how much longer is this birther garbage going to drag on, while the country falls apart?
Hopefully until Obama releases his documents. In the mean time our states are beginning to push for nullification of federal laws that exceed the limits of our constitution. As individuals, we can remain independent of government by not thinking we have a "right" to benefits that come at the expense of others. As a collective we can vote out our pathetic representatives with poor track records (most of them) rather than voting because they are a good speaker, nice looking, a certain race or they make us feel good.


And as a general rule; anything that gets coverage on the MSM is usually irrelevant, this "issue" is no exception.
I haven't seen MSM covering this so it must be relevant. :)

Majorion
26th March 2010, 03:58
I haven't seen MSM covering this so it must be relevant. :)
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5182746-503544.html
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/17/2073514.aspx
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/27/gibbs-shoots-down-birthers/?fbid=Nm8wYS0iiQ0
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/29/tommy-seno-obama-birthers/
http://www.aolnews.com/story/lou-dobbs-birther-coverage-is-challenge/599964
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25933.html
http://mediamatters.org/research/200905280018
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/28/birther-movement-obama-citizenship
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-porter/billionares-for-wealth-ca_b_273117.html

Nope, not relevant.

Curative
26th March 2010, 05:12
Disclosure of a sort, round about now would be just what the Obama administration needs to take the public's focus away from the recent health bill.

BrianEn
26th March 2010, 17:46
One day it will.

BrianEn
26th March 2010, 17:48
Best of all would be if the aliens just turned up and showed themselves, that would make our governments look really stupid :sarcastic:

And started helping out 3rd world countries.

bosr
27th March 2010, 00:19
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5182746-503544.html
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/17/2073514.aspx
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/27/gibbs-shoots-down-birthers/?fbid=Nm8wYS0iiQ0
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/29/tommy-seno-obama-birthers/
http://www.aolnews.com/story/lou-dobbs-birther-coverage-is-challenge/599964
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25933.html
http://mediamatters.org/research/200905280018
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/28/birther-movement-obama-citizenship
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/doug-porter/billionares-for-wealth-ca_b_273117.html

Nope, not relevant.

Except for the 100 to 1 ratio of alternative media vs. msm. Maybe I should have said msm is not giving the issue very much coverage considering the amount of air time in comparison to Tiger Woods boffing his bimbos. Now that is relevant. :)

EYES WIDE OPEN
27th March 2010, 20:19
The only way the PTB will allow disclosure is if everyone that played a part in keeping the truth from coming out, past and present is granted immunity for what they have done.

PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH
28th March 2010, 09:27
Except for the 100 to 1 ratio of alternative media vs. msm. Maybe I should have said msm is not giving the issue very much coverage considering the amount of air time in comparison to Tiger Woods boffing his bimbos. Now that is relevant. :)

i thought it had died and now its back. i thought lyndon la rouches idea of keeping obama in office post revolution is a good idea, the last thing america needs is to have another impeachment. he seems like a nice chap and hes a good figurehead. the worst thing about it is that even if he isnt bombing black people in ahfpakia and making them homeless in droves in his own place of residence the sheeple think its him doing it. maybe the people will come through and actually be able to make obama do his job properly? THE hoagland/wilcock crew might be right about obama and 2012 cos this is all looking to xome to ahead about then for better or for worse.

sjkted
28th March 2010, 18:42
Well, if you want to say we're a nation of laws and we do things the way the laws are decreed, then it would be important for him to present proof of birth on US soil. If not, then we can always look the other way as the Obamacare and immigrants are welcomed in:

The Tenth Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This means that any rights not given to the Federal government are to be held by the people and the states. I don't remember reading anything about healthcare in the constitution.

The point is people are angry and it has nothing to do with the color of the President.

If we are a nation of laws, then why is it the ones inconvenient for the ruling party never seem to be enforced?

--sjkted

pilotsimone
29th March 2010, 02:18
Now they're angry? Oh, cry me a river... LOL.


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.



I wish I could take credit for this succinct response to the fake outrage taking place over healthcare. I stand by my previous post. This isn't about any of the talking points being spewed daily by the talking heads (and apparently in this thread). It's about something much deeper. Frank Rich kinda nailed it in an article today. I'll post it in a few.

pilotsimone
29th March 2010, 02:43
No less curious is how disproportionate this red-hot anger is to its proximate cause. The historic Obama-Pelosi health care victory is a big deal, all right, so much so it doesn’t need Joe Biden’s adjective to hype it. But the bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program. In lieu of a public option, it delivers 32 million newly insured Americans to private insurers. As no less a conservative authority than The Wall Street Journal editorial page observed last week, the bill’s prototype is the health care legislation Mitt Romney signed into law in Massachusetts. It contains what used to be considered Republican ideas.



When Social Security was passed by Congress in 1935 and Medicare in 1965, there was indeed heated opposition. As Dana Milbank wrote in The Washington Post, Alf Landon built his catastrophic 1936 presidential campaign on a call for repealing Social Security. (Democrats can only pray that the G.O.P. will “go for it” again in 2010, as Obama goaded them on Thursday, and keep demanding repeal of a bill that by September will shower benefits on the elderly and children alike.) When L.B.J. scored his Medicare coup, there were the inevitable cries of “socialism” along with ultimately empty rumblings of a boycott from the American Medical Association.

But there was nothing like this. To find a prototype for the overheated reaction to the health care bill, you have to look a year before Medicare, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Both laws passed by similar majorities in Congress; the Civil Rights Act received even more votes in the Senate (73) than Medicare (70). But it was only the civil rights bill that made some Americans run off the rails. That’s because it was the one that signaled an inexorable and immutable change in the very identity of America, not just its governance.



That a tsunami of anger is gathering today is illogical, given that what the right calls “Obamacare” is less provocative than either the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Medicare, an epic entitlement that actually did precipitate a government takeover of a sizable chunk of American health care. But the explanation is plain: the health care bill is not the main source of this anger and never has been. It’s merely a handy excuse. The real source of the over-the-top rage of 2010 is the same kind of national existential reordering that roiled America in 1964.
In fact, the current surge of anger — and the accompanying rise in right-wing extremism — predates the entire health care debate. The first signs were the shrieks of “traitor” and “off with his head” at Palin rallies as Obama’s election became more likely in October 2008. Those passions have spiraled ever since — from Gov. Rick Perry’s kowtowing to secessionists at a Tea Party rally in Texas to the gratuitous brandishing of assault weapons at Obama health care rallies last summer to “You lie!” piercing the president’s address to Congress last fall like an ominous shot.

If Obama’s first legislative priority had been immigration or financial reform or climate change, we would have seen the same trajectory. The conjunction of a black president and a female speaker of the House — topped off by a wise Latina on the Supreme Court and a powerful gay Congressional committee chairman — would sow fears of disenfranchisement among a dwindling and threatened minority in the country no matter what policies were in play. It’s not happenstance that Frank, Lewis and Cleaver — none of them major Democratic players in the health care push — received a major share of last weekend’s abuse. When you hear demonstrators chant the slogan “Take our country back!,” these are the people they want to take the country back from.


For those who don't know these characters...Rep. Barney Frank is openly gay, Rep. John Lewis is black, and Rep. Emanuel Cleaver is Latino.

You can read this piece in it’s entirety here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28rich.html?hp7

xbusymom
29th March 2010, 03:17
its the cult tactics used to get the 'agenda' enforced... i mean... who in their right mind would start a meeting at something like 3:30 in the afternoon and make it last until almost midnight... they probably voted the health care bill IN just so they could be able to go home...

sorry, but I think Obama talked a good talk and is now walking on a different path... besides, there has been rumor (according to some sources- he is of the bloodline) so it would not matter if he is legal or not... and we have to remember who is next in line if we give Obama the boot... Biden - would he be better? or worse?

pilotsimone
29th March 2010, 05:06
its the cult tactics used to get the 'agenda' enforced... i mean... who in their right mind would start a meeting at something like 3:30 in the afternoon and make it last until almost midnight... they probably voted the health care bill IN just so they could be able to go home...

I cannot tell if you're being serious here...cult tactics?

Are being sincere that you can't imagine a meeting lasting for 9 hours over legislation this important? Really?

I was just a computer support tech and I had some meetings that lasted longer than the entire workday (8+ hours). LOL.

Pure silliness these arguments are.

sjkted
29th March 2010, 05:59
Hello All,

I read the financial news daily and do my best to stay on top of the financial situation. I've noticed that the much of the implementation of Obama Care will not be done until 2012 or 2014. A few weeks ago, I watched the full 3 hour congress meet and greet with Ben Bernake, and one of their main talking points was that debt would exceed GDP by the year 2020, assuming everything else stays the same. Needless to say, we will not be able to continue to exist as a country if debt exceeds GDP, no more than an individual would be able to exist on paying 100% of income to debt and having nothing left over to pay personal expenses.

Watching the congress react and question Bernake was comical at times and scary at others. I was amazed at some of the questions being asked and how little these people understand much of anything that is happening in the economy. There did seem to be somewhat of a consensus that nobody was willing to accept any budget cuts under any circumstances.

It is obvious to me that we will never get to 2020 because of a number of factors (off the top of my head):

(1) Many businesses and individuals are still highly dependent on credit for spending. Credit is becoming scarcer and the situation will not get better any time soon.

(2) Taxes are increasing. Many of these are on "hidden" items such as tax on groceries in some states and taxes on particular industries such as custom software. In addition, fees for government services such as DMV registration are going up while the levels of service are declining.

(3) Unemployment isn't going to drop any time soon. The official number of ~10% is much understated and leaves out people who are chronically unemployed, graduating students just entering the workforce and looking for jobs, and the newly retired who have lost their savings and are trying to re-enter the job force. I'm not sure what the real number is, but it must be closer to 15% - 17%.

(4) The housing market is continuing it's decline in prices and we are just starting to see the commercial real estate bubble burst. About 50% of all mortgages are underwater right now, and many people are making strategic decisions to leave and others will be forced to leave.

(5) Our economy is about 70% consumer based, and with the unemployment and real estate situation, it will only continue to decline each year.

(6) Many states are functionally bankrupt such as California. This can only get worse and worse as tax revenues are quickly declining. The only option that will eventually be available is for these states to cut social services or get bailed out by the Feds. It is by law that each state maintain a balanced budget and cannot print their own money like Congress does when they go way over budget.

Of course, trying to cover every American for health insurance only adds on extra costs. These costs have to be paid by somebody. I haven't read all 2100 or so pages of the bill, but the only way these costs can be paid for is by the taxpayer or by forcing the individual. Forcing the individual will only go so far, as one cannot get blood from a turnip or so the saying goes.

So, the question is will the economy make it to the year 2012 or 2014 or is this just a big diversion? My take is that if everyone focuses on the economy, it will all be directed at the Federal Government and the President and the people could create one unified voice of demanding that real changes be made. With Obamacare, instead the fake left-right paradigm descends into name calling, anger, attacks, and fingers pointed at each other.

I'm curious to hear what others think if this bill will ever be relevant for anyone.

--sjkted

sjkted
29th March 2010, 06:07
Now they're angry? Oh, cry me a river... LOL.


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.



I wish I could take credit for this succinct response to the fake outrage taking place over healthcare. I stand by my previous post. This isn't about any of the talking points being spewed daily by the talking heads (and apparently in this thread). It's about something much deeper. Frank Rich kinda nailed it in an article today. I'll post it in a few.

Simone,

I'm not sure where you're getting all of this from. There are many people who are angry and disguisted at all of these topics and have been for some time. The outrage is real and it will continue. It is not astroturf or media generated.

I started another thread: Does Obama Care even matter?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?578-Does-Obama-Care-Even-Matter&p=4477#post4477

I wonder if you would take a look at my points and respond in kind.

You also seem to have responded to nearly everyone's post except for mine. If we are a nation of laws, why don't we just repeal the 10th ammendment? That is something that could be done and at least it would give the bill some integrity, as it would have a legal footing.

The question here is what country we live in. The country I live in was founded with the Constitution and Bill of Rights as it's founding and guiding documents and as the supreme law of the land. Yes, these were created a long time ago, but they have provided much success for America, especially when you look at other countries. The question is how much power should the Federal Government have and where should it be focused. The difference is between the President as being a federal administrator and a dictator. Presidents have limited power under the laws of the country. Dictators have unlimited power and can do whatever they want.

If you are an American and support the bill, please tell me how is it possible that this bill is passed, yet it clearly violates the current law?

--sjkted

pilotsimone
29th March 2010, 07:34
Sorry, this was posted in the wrong thread.

pilotsimone
31st March 2010, 05:47
skjted - I'm sorry. I did respond, I just put it on the wrong thread! My apologies.

Here was my response from 2 days ago...

This entire thread was making me feel very bad (emotionally and physically), so I stopped to reflect on this reaction.

I feel I've spent a lot of time outside of Duality lately. Looking back at this thread...clearly, I can get sucked back in when it's something close to my heart.

I see where my sensitivities lie (suffering people) and I tend to judge harshly those who do not view humankind like me. Those who do not prioritize like I might. So, I am obviously still holding onto something that I need to release. Thank you for your viewpoint and for challenging me. If you weren't here to argue with me...I wouldn't know what I think! Alan Watts always says that, but now I really feel what he means. We need each other.

It's my intention to participate in these threads with a light heart from now on...or perhaps they won't hold an interest anymore. That's would be nice too.

Much love and many blessings to you, sjkted. :wub: ...and all others I judged on here (mostly inwardly).

Carry on, please. ;)

Sollve
31st March 2010, 20:22
I have always wondered....What motivates a government to want to disclose this ?

I have always wondered this as well.. What I've read in this thread over here: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16158 gave me a plausible answer to that, not a very pleasant one, but a plausible one and that makes it the best answer I've been presented with so far. It's a long thread but well worth the time it takes to read it through.

Edit: I read your question as 'What motivates a government to NOT want to disclose this', which is clearly NOT what you wrote. :-) Sorry about that!

Sollve

shybastid
3rd April 2010, 01:51
Yes Obama care matters..... Look at your opening statement. "Obama Cares".... For who? Doctors..Nurses..Patients..Americans?
Because your a Democrat or Republican or "Teabagger" targets your Vote? For Health? Or Wealth?
Unfortunatly, this unnecassary Bill is now,without additional debate Passed.
Camelot looks to seek the truth..Avalon looks to see the truth.
Split groups? Not really..We all still want to seek the truth. Did we "divide and conquer"? Nope same minds different directions to seek the truth.
How much did it cost either group? Naddaa Zip Zero..
How much did this Health Care plan cost between doctors, nurses and patients? Should'nt we know?
American citizens.. I think we had the right to wait before this was enacted. There has definatly become a "has" "has not" split over this.
I don't like either choice.
I was'nt raised to choose rick or poor....I was raised to learn how to make educated choices for ALL the best we can.
I just wanted to understand a little more before the choice was made for me.
Why was the deadline mandatory? For political party loyalty?
Great.. NOW we vote Democrats out of office..THAT will teach Washinton...You GO Republicans.. YUCH
It goes on and on....
Where's God..WHOS God..or Alien to sort this out so I know I'm on the right side?

Oh I forgot... That's why I'm here on Avalon... To teach me with open ideas to learn.

Good idea.

Happy Easter....

UH OH I forgot... I was raised Catholic ,its good Friday and I ate meat.. Hell, Purgatory? They change that yet?

irishspirit
6th April 2010, 10:07
Hi Guy's,

at the risk of sounding like I have it in for Obama, I have come across this article. This shows the extent to which the American people have been lied to, how how much they are will to suck and allow their country to be destroyed.

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d3-Investigation-reveals-numerous-bogus-claims-on-Obama-resume

I have to aks even though I know the answer, will the MSM give this any coverage? Or will it be held in reserve for when they are ready to get ride of him?

Be Safe

Irishspirit

Agape
6th April 2010, 10:28
There's a huge piece of truth 'in' here about Disclosure but how long is it going to take depends on people of this earth and that's unfortunatelly not only 'us avalonians' .
There's no threat from the space as far as we know though , potentially one can arise any time , unintended perhaps but who can guarantee you and I that all alien life forms and advanced technologies are harmless to human species ? We have allergic reactions , lethal reactions to anything from pollens to mashrooms to water melons , and what is biological response to various ET energy sources and vital systems is hard to predict.
Is it what is supposedly studied in our undergrounds ? Not a big surprise .

But then again, what is the real reason for covering the facts and exactly this part of research and hiding it from public ?
Global political tension and war state lasting for millenia just moving from one piece of land to another , one continent to another,
we need better governments is the clue, for sure.
I don't take any particular gov body on target but what I mean is , how possibly can any advanced intelligent kind of beings communicate with us on level while we are in such a fallen state of civilisation?
No I don't mean people around here and I know many who are not 'that way' yet I know about more who are actually stupid enough,
to waste their lives on disputes between political parties, hunting for posts, for money, for power and that's about. And all that interests them is theirfamily, their country, their party, their company , their religion, their culture and their kids, because they are so proud and full of themselves to believe they are the best and will go on proving it by any means till they have the money to do so.
So how do you anyone want to explain to ET that Republicans are better than Democrats, why New Jersey fans hate Boston Tigers and why we let thousands of people in Africa die of starvation ?
Or how do you want to explain to them we are not able to care for our sick except for money?
Why do we point missiles to space ?

So how long is it going to change this type of world, system and mentality to more advanced one ? Maybe another few centuries or millenia, ET please wait, we are going to evolve and be more intelligent species tomorrow....

A:confused:

TheTruth
6th April 2010, 12:01
Have you seen the video "The Obama Deception" ? It details more of his lies..

http://i43.tinypic.com/nq4ab9.jpg

sjkted
6th April 2010, 16:07
I just saw this video on rense.com. It appears that Michelle Obama is a birther in the sense that she believes Mr. Obama was born in Kenya:

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Operator
6th April 2010, 16:36
I don't think it makes any difference.

Expectation wise I think you are probably right ... however something else keeps popping up in my mind all the time:
"Een volk dat voor tirannen zwicht, zal meer dan lijf en goed verliezen, dan dooft het licht."

This is in Dutch and printed on a monument in Amsterdam remembering the 2nd world war.
Translation (by Google) says this:
"A nation that yields to tyrants, more than life and property losses, the light goes out"

Maybe a better translation: "A nation that yields to tyrants will lose more than life and property, the light will cease to exist"

It's only a Google translated page but I think the meaning of this page is still clear:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_van_Randwijk&ei=6F67S-W3A4K8lQe43qnKBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DEen%2Bvolk%2Bdat%2Bvoor%2Btirannen%2B zwicht,%2Bzal%2Bmeer%2Bdan%2Blijf%2Ben%2Bgoed%2Bve rliezen.%2BDan%2Bdooft%2Bhet%2Blicht%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DdPr%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official

So probably it's more a case of principle but maybe even a better reason to fight for ... how long and how far do we let them push us around ?

It's not about like or dislike a person ... it's simple principle ...

Majorion
6th April 2010, 18:02
Maybe a better translation: "A nation that yields to tyrants will lose more than life and property, the light will cease to exist"
It's one thing to ask for a birth certificate, but to brand persons "tyrant" takes much more. Look I'm not American okay, so left/right politics don't concern me, I call it as it is. He is a politician that is subjected to a witch-hunt on nearly a daily basis, I happen to feel this anger over these Obama issues is misplaced. I dread the days of Bush and everyday speeches about terrorism, at least nowadays things are just a bit more lax. Of course we'll have to wait and see what happens with Iran and if the Israeli/Palestinian conflict can come to resolve, but doubtful though in my opinion.

Operator
6th April 2010, 18:24
It's one thing to ask for a birth certificate, but to brand persons "tyrant" takes much more.

I hope it's clear I was not branding a 'person' ... the translation is talking about nation and tyrants ... I don't care if it is this time
about Obama either ... But from the past decades it becomes more and more clear that there is/are faction(s) at work that seem to get
away with foul play (e.g. Kennedy assassination, attempt on Ronald Reagan's life, bashing of Bill Clinton, rigged elections, 9/11 and now this).

If a nation looks away and does not express it's disapproval and fights against dishonesty ... decay of the values of that nation sets in and
becomes more and more unstoppable along the way ...

I also hope I was appealing more to the inhabitants of a nation (to come into appropriate action) rather than seeking tyrants ...
By the lack of action the nation offers opportunity for tyrants to manifest ...

Majorion
6th April 2010, 20:03
But from the past decades it becomes more and more clear that there is/are faction(s) at work that seem to get away with foul play (e.g. Kennedy assassination, attempt on Ronald Reagan's life, bashing of Bill Clinton, rigged elections, 9/11 and now this).

Every single event you noted - in my opinion - can all be attributed to an Israeli-American political/lobby/intel faction. The fact is that the U.S have long turned a blind eye to Israel and the Zionists whenever they commit a criminal act, and this has been going on for a very long time now. U.S.S Liberty - brushed under the carpet, JFK assassination - brushed under the carpet, 9/11 - brushed under the carpet, continous attrocities committed against the Palestinian people - brushed under the carpet. The fact that the U.S is in Afghanistan and Iraq and potentially Iran next is even more evidence of who has been dictating U.S foreign policy for the last decade or two at least, lets not forget the enormous funding and over-supply of weaponry they get every year. Not to mention every major media outlet is biased and owned by... you guessed it!

I tend to rarely mention this, because often these statements are miscontrued (deliberately) and so then you get called a Jew hater or better yet get slapped with the "anti-semite" label. Little do those accusers know that I've had Jewish friends in America. Well, its not going to stop me from stating the facts and I will not withhold knowledge of these criminal acts.

THE eXchanger
6th April 2010, 20:17
looks like his wife, put her foot in her mouth ;)

3optic
6th April 2010, 20:53
Every single event you noted - in my opinion - can all be attributed to an Israeli-American political/lobby/intel faction. The fact is that the U.S have long turned a blind eye to Israel and the Zionists whenever they commit a criminal act, and this has been going on for a very long time now.

Majorion, good to read your posts again. I enjoyed brief discourses with you on AV1. :)

Even if this were true it still constitutes major corruption. The US and CIA turn a blind eye to the Mossad's demolition of the WTC buildings? How is that not collusion? It makes no difference if it were engineered here or in Israel. It constitutes a major betrayal and the precursor to 2 wars and a slew of anti-terrorism laws that have strangled peoples privacy and liberty. Anyone in elected office who may be complicit with or perpetuating these policies can be viewed as a tyrant. This is not a stretch.

I don't think your opinion is anti-semitic. That phrase has been abused as of late.. I do think that you are oversimplifying and may be incorrect about the dynamics involved.

Majorion
6th April 2010, 20:56
I don't think your opinion is anti-semitic. That phrase has been abused as of late.. I do think that you are oversimplifying and may be incorrect about the dynamics involved.
Hi 3optic,

Okay, I'll just say "NWO" from now, I promise! :)

3optic
6th April 2010, 21:05
There's also "Illuminati", "Anglo-American Establishment", "Elites", "the PTB (Camelot preferred)", "Big Boys At The Top (Thank you, Alan Watt)", and my personal favorite: "International Banking Cartel" which might still raise the ire of the Anti-Defamation League. :P

jcocks
11th April 2010, 05:16
I've said this before, but I'll say it again here as it bears repeating.

Have a read of the latest article on Richard Hoaglands' "Enterprise Mission" website http://enterprisemission.com. It talks about Mars' mood Phobos. Richard believes that the ESA will come out with a public announcement regarding Phobos being hollow and of artificial origin. He also seems to think that Obama will make some major announcement(s) at the "space summit" to be held at NASA on the 15th...

I myself have a feeling that Obama's cancelling the moon mission and moving the space program towards private business involvement may be clearing the way for some of the technologies the various aerospace corporations to be commercialised... We may very well soon start to see some apparent "quantum leaps" in space technology...We'll see...

And my gut feeling is that we're going to see some major positive things really starting tro happen from June onwards... I hope I'm right.

Love and Light

Joel

Productivemind
11th April 2010, 06:26
I am in favor of forgiving those who have held to the secrecy, IF by their involvement they didn't hurt others. Unfortunately, with real disclosure, comes the truth of lives destroyed or ended by those who attempted to come out and tell people what they knew. I can think of so many examples of people who are no longer on this earth because someone wanted them hushed. I do believe that no matter the consequences, it is time for the world to come clean on the UFO/ET reality. Most people believe anyway, they just have no idea what all is involved other than what the media has fed them about "little green men in flying saucers". I agree with many others, if the US government were to disclose, it will not be the complete truth and there will be a self serving agenda behind it, probably to cover up some other issue that the population is in an uproar about. We are the ones tasked with passing on what we know to others. With integrity and concern for others in our hearts, we can awaken the masses, one soul at a time.

shiva777
11th April 2010, 19:32
Do you REALLY think that if the GOVT is doing the disclosure that it will be done in an undistorted way...come on people,the Govt's are doing all they can to consolidate their power and authority,the last thing they would do would be to disclose something as major as the TRUTH about aliens and our galactic involvement...if they do disclose it will be to furthur their One world order agendas...our space family will most likely reveal themselves in a global and undeniable way when the masses are mature enough to handle it,obviously not quite yet

Redtailhawk
18th April 2010, 19:47
This will be interesting to follow. I think this trial might have legs (long legged mack daddy ones ;-)). Rev. Manning makes some interesting observations and claims in this video posted a few days ago (15 April). In particular the recent "leak" from the Kenyan parliament last week claiming Obama was born in Kenya. If this trial has steam it could turn America up side down.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1_jZnNT9e8


CIA Columbia Obama Cover Up
James David Manning


Hon. James David Manning says Barack Hussein Obama was a CIA operative who used Columbia University as a cover up to go to Pakistan in 1981 when the United States and the Taliban worked together against Russia.

"I am James David Manning, Senior Pastor of the Atlah World Missionary Church in Harlem, New York. I am also the originator of the Columbia Obama trial scheduled for the 14th of May, year 2010. Due to the growing threatening circumstances surrounding this trial, I must now release the full transcript we wish to present, document and prove at the Columbia Obama trial later this year.

Obama was recruited in 1980 by the CIA while a student at Occidental College in Los Angeles, California. The CIA needed Muslims who were fluent in Farsi and other Islamic customs and understandings. Obama was perfect as an undercover agent. The CIA then later enlisted Columbia University to extend its foreign student program to Barack Hussein Obama that he might enroll in the universities around Karachi and in Pakistan, and also the Patrice Lamumba school in Moscow. With a perfect cover as a US student identity, Obama became the lead agent in the arms and money supply to the struggling Taliban army against the Soviet war machine. Obama's cover was flawless, and his skills as an agent incredible. He was more than integral to the Taliban victory later on that decade.

Now I will be presenting documentation to all that I say here in this announcement. But it is public knowledge that Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981. We don't know how often he traveled between Pakistan and Russia, or his return back to America and back to Pakistan, off and on, during his undercover operation in Afghanistan training and being a money supplier and interpreter for the CIA to the Taliban during those war years. The state Department records have been scrubbed and the State Department employee was killed to cover the passport office break-in of April 2008, Lieutenant Quarles Harris, a young African American who was found shot dead in front of the Judah Praise Baptist church in northeast Washington, DC. Obama learned his Islamic language skills while he spent six years in Indonesia with his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and his mother. When he returned from his CIA assignment in the mid 1980s, he pressured the State Department to allow him to enter Harvard Law School He excelled at Harvard, became the Editor of the Law Review. Where upon his graduation he could have become a Supreme Court clerk or a multi-million dollar salary would have been offered to him at America's best law firms, except for one thing...he did not have a legitimate background as a US Citizen or as a student from Occidental or Columbia. A diligent investigation by a personnel agency of a major law firm would have revealed he was not a US citizen. And how could a "C" student go from Occidental College to America's fifth most difficult school to enter, into Columbia University, and then from there three years later enter into the world's most difficult lawschool, Harvard?

So what does a former CIA operative do when they cannot pass a personnel test? Obama becomes a "Community Organizer" on the South side of Chicago, where no background check is needed. His marriage to Michelle Robinson, a lawyer and connected Chicago politician, although a convenient marriage, now gives him citizenship and the beginning of a solid background. He takes a job at the same law firm where Michelle becomes his trainer and supervisor, a law firm that is heavily influenced by small time criminal, Tony Rezko. Michelle Robinson controls the personnel records, and his hiring takes place without a hitch. When questions were raised during the 2008 campaign for presidency about his Columbia years, he spun those questions and the media by declaring himself to be an Ascetic, a monk, and a hermit, going days on end without speaking or interacting with anyone, and he did not live one campus with the regular Columbia University students. Today, Obama is a man who loves the limelight and can hardly tear himself away from any camera he passes by, wants us to believe that he was once a monk or hermit with no interaction with anyone.

Michael Wolf, former NTA Chairman and graduate of Columbia says he remembers Obama s very smart and a great debater while he was at Columbia, and he was very active in student activities. Now it appears that Michael Wolf remembers things about Obama that Obama does not remember about himself. FOX news during the 2008 campaign, when questions were raised about Barack OBama's Columbia years, interviewed more than 400 people on campus during the years of 1980 to 1984--students, nurses, librarians, custodians, shopkeepers, people in the environment, in their investigation, not one of the 400 people remembers Barack Hussein Obama during his alleged Columbia years.

The Reagan Bush administrations and the Bush 43 administration, all know this about Barack Obama as a CIA operative, and his help to win the war there for the Taliban in Afghanistan during the Russian invasion. They just did not expect Barack Obama to win the Iowa Caucus. When he won that, there was no way they could assassinate him, remove him from the scene. They had to allow him to march over the Clintons and over John McCain that he might be the president. Whatever information he now holds or interaction he holds with the Soviet Union and both the American people as a threat.

We as a government and and as a people are being held hostage by this former CIA operative Barack Hussein Obama who has heavy Muslim beliefs Marxist politics and has an intense hatred for this nation called America. At the trial 14th of May I will document, all these statements that are not public knowledge. But because of growing threatening circumstances I must present my case to the public now. I am James David Manning, Senior Pastor of the Atlah World Missionary Church in Harlem, New York and host of Manning report."

Redtailhawk
18th April 2010, 19:58
This will be interesting to follow. I think this trial might have legs (long legged mack daddy ones ;-)). Rev. Manning makes some interesting observations and claims in this video posted a few days ago (15 April). In particular the recent "leak" from the Kenyan parliament last week claiming Obama was born in Kenya. If this trial has steam it could turn America up side down.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1_jZnNT9e8


CIA Columbia Obama Cover Up
James David Manning


Hon. James David Manning says Barack Hussein Obama was a CIA operative who used Columbia University as a cover up to go to Pakistan in 1981 when the United States and the Taliban worked together against Russia.

"I am James David Manning, Senior Pastor of the Atlah World Missionary Church in Harlem, New York. I am also the originator of the Columbia Obama trial scheduled for the 14th of May, year 2010. Due to the growing threatening circumstances surrounding this trial, I must now release the full transcript we wish to present, document and prove at the Columbia Obama trial later this year.

Obama was recruited in 1980 by the CIA while a student at Occidental College in Los Angeles, California. The CIA needed Muslims who were fluent in Farsi and other Islamic customs and understandings. Obama was perfect as an undercover agent. The CIA then later enlisted Columbia University to extend its foreign student program to Barack Hussein Obama that he might enroll in the universities around Karachi and in Pakistan, and also the Patrice Lamumba school in Moscow. With a perfect cover as a US student identity, Obama became the lead agent in the arms and money supply to the struggling Taliban army against the Soviet war machine. Obama's cover was flawless, and his skills as an agent incredible. He was more than integral to the Taliban victory later on that decade.

Now I will be presenting documentation to all that I say here in this announcement. But it is public knowledge that Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981. We don't know how often he traveled between Pakistan and Russia, or his return back to America and back to Pakistan, off and on, during his undercover operation in Afghanistan training and being a money supplier and interpreter for the CIA to the Taliban during those war years. The state Department records have been scrubbed and the State Department employee was killed to cover the passport office break-in of April 2008, Lieutenant Quarles Harris, a young African American who was found shot dead in front of the Judah Praise Baptist church in northeast Washington, DC. Obama learned his Islamic language skills while he spent six years in Indonesia with his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and his mother. When he returned from his CIA assignment in the mid 1980s, he pressured the State Department to allow him to enter Harvard Law School He excelled at Harvard, became the Editor of the Law Review. Where upon his graduation he could have become a Supreme Court clerk or a multi-million dollar salary would have been offered to him at America's best law firms, except for one thing...he did not have a legitimate background as a US Citizen or as a student from Occidental or Columbia. A diligent investigation by a personnel agency of a major law firm would have revealed he was not a US citizen. And how could a "C" student go from Occidental College to America's fifth most difficult school to enter, into Columbia University, and then from there three years later enter into the world's most difficult lawschool, Harvard?

So what does a former CIA operative do when they cannot pass a personnel test? Obama becomes a "Community Organizer" on the South side of Chicago, where no background check is needed. His marriage to Michelle Robinson, a lawyer and connected Chicago politician, although a convenient marriage, now gives him citizenship and the beginning of a solid background. He takes a job at the same law firm where Michelle becomes his trainer and supervisor, a law firm that is heavily influenced by small time criminal, Tony Rezko. Michelle Robinson controls the personnel records, and his hiring takes place without a hitch. When questions were raised during the 2008 campaign for presidency about his Columbia years, he spun those questions and the media by declaring himself to be an Ascetic, a monk, and a hermit, going days on end without speaking or interacting with anyone, and he did not live one campus with the regular Columbia University students. Today, Obama is a man who loves the limelight and can hardly tear himself away from any camera he passes by, wants us to believe that he was once a monk or hermit with no interaction with anyone.

Michael Wolf, former NTA Chairman and graduate of Columbia says he remembers Obama s very smart and a great debater while he was at Columbia, and he was very active in student activities. Now it appears that Michael Wolf remembers things about Obama that Obama does not remember about himself. FOX news during the 2008 campaign, when questions were raised about Barack OBama's Columbia years, interviewed more than 400 people on campus during the years of 1980 to 1984--students, nurses, librarians, custodians, shopkeepers, people in the environment, in their investigation, not one of the 400 people remembers Barack Hussein Obama during his alleged Columbia years.

The Reagan Bush administrations and the Bush 43 administration, all know this about Barack Obama as a CIA operative, and his help to win the war there for the Taliban in Afghanistan during the Russian invasion. They just did not expect Barack Obama to win the Iowa Caucus. When he won that, there was no way they could assassinate him, remove him from the scene. They had to allow him to march over the Clintons and over John McCain that he might be the president. Whatever information he now holds or interaction he holds with the Soviet Union and both the American people as a threat.

We as a government and and as a people are being held hostage by this former CIA operative Barack Hussein Obama who has heavy Muslim beliefs Marxist politics and has an intense hatred for this nation called America. At the trial 14th of May I will document, all these statements that are not public knowledge. But because of growing threatening circumstances I must present my case to the public now. I am James David Manning, Senior Pastor of the Atlah World Missionary Church in Harlem, New York and host of Manning report."

Robstar
19th April 2010, 03:13
This is funny specially when you say "We as a government and as a people are being held hostage"
I'm sorry to tell you but there is no "we" the people in American government and there has not been for along time.
Why does it matter who is president anymore? Or where they are from?
The whole thing is an illusion to keep us occupied and divide our attention and conquer our minds into submission.
Wake up your mind to the possibility that the vision of America that once was, no longer exists.
No one has as much hatred for the America that was, like the and the elite we served or the politicians you helped elect.
If you are afraid of " who has heavy Muslim beliefs Marxist politics and has an intense hatred for this nation called America.", don't be afraid.
No one can hurt you except yourself.

Barron
19th April 2010, 05:23
Very interesting indeed. For alot more info which collaborates with above i can recommend this book: Barack H. Obama: The Unauthorized Biography by Webster Griffin Tarpley
http://www.amazon.com/Barack-H-Obama-Unauthorized-Biography/dp/0930852915/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271654566&sr=1-4
Written by the author of the legendary 1992 expose of Bush the elder, this book works from a New Deal point of view. Obama is exposed as a foundation operative and agent of Wall Street finance capital, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs. Obama's mother was an official of the Ford Foundation, the World Bank, and US AID. By all indications, Obama was identified for future political use by Brzezinski at Columbia in 1981-1983, during Obama's secret lost years. Obama has worked for the Gamaliel Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund, and the Annenberg Foundation as a community organizer - a poverty pimp, a cynical opportunist who uses suffering people as a political commodity. The foundation strategy is divide and conquer, pitting blacks against whites against Hispanics against Asians, to prevent any challenge to Wall Street. Racist provocateurs like Wright and Pfleger, along with Weatherman terrorist bombers Ayers and Dohrn, Obama's best friends, are cast in this mold. Rezko, Auchi, and Al-Sammarae represent the cesspool of Chicago graft and corruption in which Obama cavorts. Schooled in Nietzsche and Fanon, Obama qualifies as a postmodern fascist. An Obama administration would strive for brutal economic sacrifice and austerity to finance Wall Street bailouts, and for imperialist confrontation with Russia and China.

Enlightenment101
26th April 2010, 04:00
They can try this all they want, but it will fail, and it has to do with who is behind Obama, he was hand picked for his, in fact groomed for this at birth, you need to look into who his parents and Grand-parents were, the people around him now, who his mother worked for and the connections there, things are not what they seem at all, this case will go no where .

Humble Janitor
26th April 2010, 04:18
Oh my goodness, why don't people just move on already?

Sheesh.

First the folks that pray for his death and now this garbage.

This isn't a place for Tea-baggers to spew their prejudiced ****.

Emmanuel
28th April 2010, 04:20
Enlightenment101, you are 200% right. I'm little surprise how many people don't get it yet. NWO is fact............. if mother nature allow them.....

Philbert
5th May 2010, 15:22
I do not believe the president will disclose anything of importance to the huge picture that has been kept secret for many years.

It will have to come from the people who have understanding and knowledge of the things outside this realm.


There is a huge cover up and it goes very deep. Here is some of the research I have done over the past 5 years. I investigate NASA's own satellite images that have been released for public viewing.

Anyone can do the same as I have done here. I have used Google Mars to present evidence that is right in front of our faces.

#1. I create a tour using Google Mars.
#2. The tour consists of just some of the many hundreds of proofs that show civilizations currently living on the Planet Mars.
#3. Many of the objects seen here depict shelters, underground facilities, Structures, Buildings, Transportation, Saucer shaped craft, Long craft, Cigar shaped craft, Plant life, Trees, Shrubs, vegetation, Animals, and yes Humans.

To see more of my videos please visit me on YouTube my user Name is Ufoevidence101.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21tieYrf8Ic






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6hKMNsws40

Swami
18th May 2010, 16:55
Mainstream media is tight-lipped about what some consider “the Trial Of The Century” – the trial that centers around evidence purported to show President Barack Obama is neither a “legal” president or a citizen worthy of his position.

If this is the first time you have heard about this, you’re not the only one. There is truly a coverup of monumental proportions occurring, and while it may be considered “conspiracy”, it is far from conspiracy theory! There are going to be some changes, and I think you may want to know the truth…



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WedxY61d60


There was some tension outside with some of the Harlem residents that were Obama fans and they made it known that they were not too pleased about “birthers” being in their neighborhood. I was already inside when this incident took place.

This dirtbag was cursing and screaming in public; she was the perfect example of an Obama supporter/useful idiot. Illiterate and nasty as she got into the the face of an elderly, disabled veteran.

If we were a bunch of “white racists”, a black Harlem church would be the last place we would be, but try telling that to this mutt.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPQK-1LvhG0

More Here (https://sites.google.com/site/themandjitmatrixgroup/swami-salami)

Swami
18th May 2010, 17:04
Obama's innaugural speech on the great altar of Zeus


I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. –Rev 2:13


This Altar, built in the 2nd century BC in the Ancient Greek city of Pergamon was dedicated to the greek god Zeus. It was removed in the 19th Century from the original site by Carl Humann, a German archeologist, and reconstructed in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin.

Source (https://sites.google.com/site/themandjitmatrixgroup/gazbom)

jimmer
18th May 2010, 17:25
this I've never heard. fantastic, but really disturbing if accurate.
wonder if the pastor's trial will be covered, not.
unfortunately, obama's real past will only become more clear after his reign.
we can chalk all this up to a bad/corrupt media establishment and/or lazy voters.

Redtailhawk
18th May 2010, 18:39
Does anyone know if the trial was filmed? The outcome? Has it ended yet? I am very curious what witnesses showed up. Any elaboration would be much appreciated.

Swami
18th May 2010, 18:52
Very busy working on this material. Follow the links.....


From Luke 10:18 in which Jesus is quoted as saying, “…I saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven.” In a nutshell, the argument of the video is that Jesus would have originally spoken these words in Aramaic which is related to Hebrew. In Hebrew the word for lightening is pronounced just like Barack (as in Barack O’Bama). Isaiah 14:12-19 refers to how Lucifer or Satan “ascends above the heights.” The Hebrew word for “heights” is pronounced Baw-maw. The Hebrew language uses a letter called “waw” to combine terms. This letter is sometimes pronounced “O.” So if a modern Rabbi were to read Jesus’ words about Satan falling like “lightening from Heaven” “he would say these words in Hebrew…“I saw Satan as Barack O' Bama.”

Source (https://sites.google.com/site/themandjitmatrixgroup/swami-salami?pli=1)

..... and some lizards on this planet are trying to prevent this........

jimmer
18th May 2010, 19:26
I can't believe that this event was not video taped!
I just checked and they're into their 5 day.
from a schedule I saw, tomorrow (May 19) the final evidence will be presents, then the verdict.

Swami
18th May 2010, 19:42
I can't believe that this event was not video taped!
I just checked and they're into their 5 day.
from a schedule I saw, tomorrow (May 19) the final evidence will be presents, then the verdict.

Suscribe here: The John Chronicles (http://thejohnchronicles.wordpress.com/2010/05/15/the-obama-trial/)

Ground Crews (http://thejohnchronicles.wordpress.com/groundcrew-information/)

Listen to this: The Waterman Files (http://www.argusoogradio.org/beheer/archief-mp3-luisterbestanden/the-waterman-files/the-waterman-files-2010/)

Operator
18th May 2010, 20:16
Hmm, checked the website that was referred to: http://thejohnchronicles.wordpress.com/youtube-videos-reference-material/obama-trial-of-the-century/

scroll a bit down and you will see the Trial Locations .... is this a joke ? It is only drawing attention to Atlah church ...

Maybe I am missing something here but it doesn't seem serious to me :confused:

Swami
18th May 2010, 20:22
Hmm, checked the website that was referred to: http://thejohnchronicles.wordpress.com/youtube-videos-reference-material/obama-trial-of-the-century/

scroll a bit down and you will see the Trial Locations .... is this a joke ? It is only drawing attention to Atlah church ...

Maybe I am missing something here but it doesn't seem serious to me :confused:

Dr. John Waterman
http://www.argusoogradio.org/beheer/programmamakers/the-waterman-files/

http://www.kconlineradio.com/jwr10/jwr10_may15.mp3
15th. of May:
http://www.journeyswithrebecca.com/Current_Archives.html

Enlightenment101
18th May 2010, 22:10
Ok this cracks me up lol.
Zbigniew Brzezinski, he was one of his professors at Columbia, and I believe Obama was one of a few that attended that class,
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm
Now Ive done some major research on Obama and this guy in the video cracks me up, now alot of Obama's Life doesnt add up. but some of what he says is just plain crazy, I believe he was groomed from Birth for this, I believe it was planned and I even understand how they did this, but Im not buying what this guy says, and he really needs to do more Homework,
People need to Look into Obama's Mother and Grandparents, trust me none of them were to fond of America, and the woman was NOT poor, and you need to look into who she worked for.

Barron
19th May 2010, 07:28
Agreed Enlightenment101 !!! I read this book by Webster Griffin Tarpley and this sums up what you werea alluding to: Written by the author of the legendary 1992 expose of Bush the elder, this book works from a New Deal point of view. Obama is exposed as a foundation operative and agent of Wall Street finance capital, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs. Obama's mother was an official of the Ford Foundation, the World Bank, and US AID. By all indications, Obama was identified for future political use by Brzezinski at Columbia in 1981-1983, during Obama's secret lost years. Obama has worked for the Gamaliel Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund, and the Annenberg Foundation.
http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Unauthorized-Biography-ebook/dp/B001M5TTV8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=digital-text&qid=1274254018&sr=8-2-catcorr

steve_a
19th May 2010, 08:11
Hi Everybody,

I beleive that the 'trial' that seems to be refferred to in this thread, is actually a mock trial, led by the guy in the video at his church. This of course means that, as he is organizing the trial, it is not legally binding and cannot be deemed fair (as he is also the prosecutor).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to protect Obama, I feel the need to find out the truth also.

Best regards,

Steve

Redtailhawk
19th May 2010, 14:10
[ BirtherReport.com- update-4AM EST-5/19- Interview with Jerome Corsi on Obama's Social Security number(s) posted below. ] Obama’s Waterloo - Jayme Evans - If recently published reports are true, and I have no reason to doubt they are, then the judgment, reputation and credibility of many a journalist and politician have been irrevocably destroyed along with the myths planted by Barack Obama, who apparently has a great deal of explaining to do about who he is, where he came from and why he’s using another person’s Social Security number.

In a May 11, 2010 article, WorldNetDaily’s Jerome Corsi reports that two independent investigations by two different investigators in two different states (using two different data sources) discovered that the Social Security number used by Barack Obama mysteriously coincides with Social Security numbers verified to have been issued by the state of Connecticut between 1977 and 1979, a full two years after Obama’s first, publicly-documented record of employment at a Hawaii Baskin-Robbins back in 1975. OUCH.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/05/could-this-be-obamas-waterloo.html

Redtailhawk
19th May 2010, 14:22
Via the Conservative Monster, 5/18/10; The verdict is in - the jury found Obama and Columbia University GUILTY of ALL CHARGES.

The past few days have been very intense on all of us that took part in this very interesting event. The jury deliberated for over 3 hours until they came up with the verdict. The defendants were found guilty on all charges and there were so many, but I will basically give you all a quick review.

Mail fraud, wire fraud, Obstruction of Justice and Sedition were the main charges. I would have found Columbia University not guilty of any charges that involved them knowingly undermining the country. I just do not think they knew back in 1981 that they were taking part in a conspiracy to undermine the Government. Their silence about Obama attending Columbia University during his campaign does not meet that level of conspiracy in my opinion. I do not think that was proven, but they can appeal it if they like


Day 5 - Witness Miki Booth


Miki Booth is a Hawaiian born native that is running for congress in Oklahoma, District 2. Booth held up birth certificates that were real long form birth certificates from Hawaii. She then explained the difference between a certificate of Live Birth and a Certification of Live Birth (what Obama posted on Factcheck.org).

Booth testified that anyone could get a Certification of Live Birth, it does not prove ANYTHING. Then she discussed the birth announcements and she stated that anyone could put that in the paper if they want to notify the town about a new baby in the family.


Wayne Allyn Root


Manning discussed his phone call with Wayne Allyn Root and about the article that Root posted on the Internet . many libertarians attacked Root for even considering to testify at this trial. Also, many Columbia University Alumni contacted him as well. What are they afraid of? Root said he never saw or heard of any student named Barack Obama at Columbia University at that time that Obama claims he attended the school. Root had the same major as Barry, but still never heard of him.


Manning submitted the article as evidence.


Next, Manning described a letter that he got from a former KGB agent that was also a double agent with the CIA. The informant Mike, stated that Obama worked with the CIA for 4 years (1981-1985) in Pakistan assisting the Mujahadeen fighters during the Soviet-Afghan war.

Manning then stated that factions of the CIA and the KGB are working together to install a socialist government and that Bill Clinton, Leon Panetta, Rahm Emanuel and Obama are all in on it. This means that there has been a conspiracy for at least the past 20 years to create a super spy agency. This spy agency would blackmail and assassinate the opposition, the Republicans were targets.

This was called "The Professional System". A KGB like security force that will undermine freedom and elections in the United States, to shove this nation into a socialist state.

This KGB agent claimed that the CIA was more interested in American citizens, rather than foreign enemies. Basically he is saying that they have been compromised by the enemy.


Manning - They put out a hit on me


Pastor Manning then stated that he was informed by a disgruntled CIA agent that a hit was put on his head by the CIA. This was by an anonymous caller and it was just two days after the CIA, Homeland Security and the NYPD visited Manning's church. Manning claims that the hit was called off when the assassin refused to accept the order to kill Pastor Manning. Pastor Manning is calling for the Justice Department to investigate this alleged conspiracy to assassinate him.

Manning then claimed that the CIA Operative told him to dig into Columbia University rather than the birth certificate issue, because it was clear that Obama never attended Columbia University, because he was working with the CIA in Pakistan at the time that he was allegedly attending the University.


Pastor Manning then stated that "Columbia University did not cover their tracks well". Then he commented "If John McCain is not qualified, I know for sure that Barack Hussein Obama is not qualified for the office either."

Obama said that his father was Kenyan in his book and the debate ends right there, he is NOT a natural born citizen.

Manning also stated that Obama traveled to Pakistan with a Kenyan Passport, not a Indonesian passport that has been speculated the past 22 months.


Obama's records are not sealed by the courts, they are sealed by the CIA.


Manning then shouted, "What are you hiding Mr. Obama? The people need to ask this question. Only criminals hide themselves and Obama is the most notorious criminal that ever walked the earth."

Then Manning solemnly said, "My life was challenged by MY GOVERNMENT. Obama is a Muslim and the Church failed this nation to allow this to take place."

Pastor Manning then told the jury "If a guilty verdict is rendered today, it will rock the world. You will save this nation, save my life and the lives of YOUR CHILDREN. Every dollar that Obama has collected was under fraudulent pretenses, because he is not a natural born citizen.


The Verdict


I am sure that Pastor Manning will release an official copy in the near future of all of the charges and the verdict. The church erupted with applause and cheers after the final guilty verdict was announced. Pastor Manning was very excited and he did an excellent job with this entire trial, aided by his assistant Anthony Jones (an attorney).

Manning will most likely submit all of the evidence and the verdict to the US Attorney General and demand that they investigate, validate the decision by the jury and move forward with possible arrests. I do agree that fraud was committed, Manning proved that to the entire audience and the jury.

Robstar
19th May 2010, 14:32
This is why people should do some homework before believing anything they come across.
This (pastor) guy made his own court of law at his church and called it a trail.
LOL!
Evidence and reality not speculation and fantasy please!:confused:
Crazy conservative propaganda at its funniest.
HA,HA,HA!:p

starsmoonmtns
19th May 2010, 14:34
Good find...
Now, how to get rid of all of them world wide ? hehe
Wouldn't Biden and the Vatican just love to get rid of O?
Who is worse?.....
Well, at least we proved our point eh?
; )

Redtailhawk
19th May 2010, 14:45
This is why people should do some homework before believing anything they come across.
This (pastor) guy made his own court of law at his church and called it a trail.
LOL!
Evidence and reality not speculation and fantasy please!:confused:
Crazy conservative propaganda at its funniest.
HA,HA,HA!:p

The Constitution allows for such "trials":
Section 2 - Trial by Jury, Original Jurisdiction, Jury Trials

(The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.) (This section in parentheses is modified by the 11th Amendment.)

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

Robstar
19th May 2010, 15:22
Section 2 - Trial by Jury, Original Jurisdiction, Jury Trials

(The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.) (This section in parentheses is modified by the 11th Amendment.)

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

WOW!
Talk about misreading the law!
Nowhere does it say that you can go outside a city,state,federal sanctioned or government sanctioned court of law and begin your own proceedings with no official procedures of any kind.
It does not work that way.
So go ahead next time you have to go before a city, state,federal or even the supreme court, tell them you already took care of it on your own at home and found yourself not guilty. LOL!
Tell them you selected your own jury and you where your own judge.
Good luck. LOL!:wacko:

Tango
19th May 2010, 18:41
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Dr. James Manning's now-famous trial of Barack Obama in Harlem, New York has ended. The jury found Obama and Columbia University guilty on all charges.

The trial, however, unveils many more questions than it provides answers.

Obama, the American president IS a total fraud.... Columbia University Degree a Fake...
Found Guilty on ALL charges...

But first, a few observations are in order about the nature of this event.

Obviously the event was a 'public' rather than a 'court' trial. No court sanctioned it. The legality of public trials apart from court sanction has not been established. While the Constitution does, indeed, maintain that the ultimate power of government rests with 'we, the people,' and while a case can be made that under the 10th amendment the people, acting under the auspices of local and state authorities, can engage in certain acts of self-governance apart from the sanction and control of the federal government, it has not been established that any local entity in Harlem granted state or local legal status to the trial.

In that sense the trial and the verdict have no binding legal authority.

However, should a legal authority, a court, a law enforcement agency, an Attorney-General either at the state or national level, decide that the evidence presented at the Manning trial is overwhelming enough to launch a full investigation, then ultimately the results of the trial could carry the full weight of legal authority.

Dr. Manning has stated that he intends to present the evidence and the verdict to U.S. Attorney-General Eric Holder. At that point the ball will be in the 'court' of the Department of Justice. If no action is taken on the verdict, then there is not much further that can be done.

But if action is taken and an official investigation ensues, then perhaps the goal of this event will have been met. The problem is that under the present circumstances it is next to impossible for that to happen. Holder is Obama's choice and Congress is held in the grip of Obama's Party. End of story.

Serious, unanswered questions remain, however--questions that the trial did an excellent job of bringing to the surface.

These questions are as follows:

Why didn't Barack Obama have a Social Security Number issued in his name when he was first employed as a 14-year-old in Hawaii? Why was there such a long delay after his first job before an application was made for a Social Security Number? And why was he given a Connecticut Social Security Number previously used by a man born in the late 1800s, given that Obama never lived in Connecticut to begin with?

The first instance of Obama's use of the Connecticut number was when he started to work as a Community Organizer in Chicago--a very long way from Connecticut.

Further, why was Obama given a degree from Columbia University when no one in Harlem ever remembers him being there, and although witnesses have testified that he was never a student on campus? And the address given by Obama as the one that he used while a student in Harlem does not exist.

But perhaps the most telling question of all is, why did Obama use a Kenyan passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981? Wouldn't a U.S. citizen normally be given an American passport? It seems to be standard procedure--and the law--that passports are given only to citizens of the country in which they reside.

And what has the CIA got to do with all of this mess?

The fact is we may never know for sure unless somebody in authority in the government decides to investigate and discover the answers.

But one thing is for sure--Obama is an enigma, a shadow, a persona created out of the murky circumstances of his past, which is being carefully hidden. Why would it even need to be hidden?

These questions are disturbing to anyone who takes our Constitution and our way of life seriously. Our form of government, as delineated in the Constitution, is dependent upon the honesty and transparency of those who hold public office. And if a fraud is elected, a charlatan, a person who presents himself as something he is not, then the entire American system of government is in grave danger.

Better to err on the side of utmost caution than to glibly dismiss all of these questions as 'mere coincidences.' Coincidences do happen, no doubt, but this many and this often--all revolving around one man?

The odds are that the country is in grave danger; What are YOU going to do about it.

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Enlightenment101
19th May 2010, 21:37
Ok you know what I didnt hear anyone complain about Mccain, who wasnt born in the US either, Britian was in control of Kenya until Dec 12th 1963 ,
http://crawfurd.dk/africa/kenya_timeline.htm
John MCCain was born in Pamana in 1936
The Birthers need to really do some homework,
Second Obama was at Columbia until 1983,
http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/jan_feb09/alumni_corner

Obama's Mother
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

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They should have spent some damn time getting rid of George Bush, because there is some real question on who the Sr Bush really is and where he came from , Review Tesla, and I dont mean the Band,

Enlightenment101
19th May 2010, 21:56
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13607099/Webster-Griffin-Tarpley-Barack-H-Obama-the-Unauthorized-Biography

http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/

What point is being made here? this isnt helping anything, its clouding the facts, screaming about a Birth Cert isnt going to change anything, he was groom for this since birth, hand picked, and groom by the best.

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-first-time-i-heard-of-barack-by-tom-fife/

Enlightenment101
19th May 2010, 22:10
The first thing you need to understand is The Constitution does NOT mean anything
http://www.usavsus.info/
The United States of America is a Corp, and we work for them.
http://www.gemworld.com/USA-Links.ASP
Some people need to seriously review this and look into this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu
http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/14thAmendment.pdf

jimmer
20th May 2010, 00:00
seems that we now have a war of words over mr. obama.
fact is, no one really knew much about our new neophyte president.
it's both the media and the voter's fault for the problems we are all going
to deal with over the next couple of years.
obama the post-racial, obama the great peacemaker, obama the fix to all our ills.
now that's a big LOL.
the fix is simple if you not a big commie tool.
cut taxes and get out of the way.

Tango
22nd May 2010, 21:15
.
Live feed from Pastor James Manning's press conference on Obama trial

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m5d21-Live-feed-from-Pastor-Mannings-press-conference-on-Obama-trial?cid=examiner-email


Trooly,


Tango

.

Celine
22nd May 2010, 21:17
....................

irishspirit
24th May 2010, 17:46
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama has directed the U.S. military to coordinate with South Korea to "ensure readiness" and deter future aggression from North Korea, the White House said on Monday.

The United States gave strong backing to plans by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak to punish North Korea for sinking one of its naval ships, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said in a statement.

The White House urged North Korea to apologize and change its behavior, he said.

"We endorse President Lee's demand that North Korea immediately apologize and punish those responsible for the attack, and, most importantly, stop its belligerent and threatening behavior," Gibbs said.

"U.S. support for South Korea's defense is unequivocal, and the president has directed his military commanders to coordinate closely with their Republic of Korea counterparts to ensure readiness and to deter future aggression," he said.

Obama and Lee have agreed to meet at the G20 summit in Canada next month, he said.

Late last week, a team of international investigators accused North Korea of torpedoing the Cheonan corvette in March, killing 46 sailors in one of the deadliest clashes between the two since the 1950-53 Korean War.

Lee said on Monday South Korea would bring the issue before the U.N., whose past sanctions have damaged the already ruined North Korean economy.

The United States still has about 28,000 troops in South Korea to provide military support.

The two Koreas, still technically at war, have more than 1 million troops near their border.

"We will build on an already strong foundation of excellent cooperation between our militaries and explore further enhancements to our joint posture on the Peninsula as part of our ongoing dialogue," Gibbs said.

Gibbs said the United States supported Lee's plans to bring the issue to the United Nations Security Council and would work with allies to "reduce the threat that North Korea poses to regional stability."

Obama had also directed U.S. agencies to evaluate existing policies toward North Korea.

"This review is aimed at ensuring that we have adequate measures in place and to identify areas where adjustments would be appropriate," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100524/pl_nm/us_korea_north_obama

WOW! Here we go again.

Guy's, this sht is getting all to real. For the first time, I am really scared for my family. I am really scared for you folks also.

Also we have this going on:


A Pakistani soldier was killed Sunday in firing allegedly by Indian troops at the border between the South Asian rivals in disputed Kashmir, Pakistan's military said.

"A Pakistan army soldier embraced shahadat (martyrdom) due to unprovoked firing by Indians... at Battal sector in Rawlakot," it said in a statement.

"Pakistan has lodged a strong protest with Indians and demanded an immediate flag meeting," it added.

Indian army spokesman accused Pakistani troops of starting the firing.

"Our troops retaliated only after they were fired on by Pakistanis," Lieutenant Colonel Biplab Nath told AFP.

The incident occurred in the same area where two Indian soldiers were killed by cross-border fire on May 18.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Pakistan_soldier_killed_in_Kashmir_border_firing_m ilitary_999.html

What is goin on with this world? Is this just a game of power playing, or do you guys think that they are readying themselves for the real deal?

Be safe

Irish spirit

Fredkc
24th May 2010, 17:51
Hey Irish... good to see you "out n'about" ;)

"due to unprovoked firing by Indians..."
"Indian army spokesman accused Pakistani troops of starting the firing."

As per usual, truth is the first casualty.
Fred

irishspirit
24th May 2010, 17:58
Hey Fredkc,

nice to see ya pal. Hope you and the good wife are well. It is a little crazy what is going on there. I should it to a friend and he said "Let the paki bstds kill each other". This is the type of people we have walking this world today. Think I shall be having less contact with that boy. HAHA.

Be safe

SteveX
24th May 2010, 19:46
India and Pakistan are always shooting and shelling each other near the Kashmir boarder. They have been at that for decades. The Korean deal is pretty much the same except this time the North went to far. This is a smoking gun awaiting reprisal.... watch this space so's to speak.

Tango
24th May 2010, 20:02
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For those that demand a timeline... It goes like this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxb_vZe7Ao


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxb_vZe7Ao

Follow along... If you are an American... What are you going to do...? Go along to get along...?


Trooly,


Tango

Tango
24th May 2010, 20:02
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Double post deleted...~Tango

Shairia
25th May 2010, 03:28
Anyone else notice how it feels like we're just going round in circles? Especially in the hostilities watch area?

Etherios
25th May 2010, 03:41
Anyone else notice how it feels like we're just going round in circles? Especially in the hostilities watch area?

i dont know what i fear the most. For all these to be true and we have wars ... or for nothing to happen which means the PTB succeed in what they wanted...

But yes they say history repeat it self ... lately i think we are making it repeat cause the rulers are the same since ages ago...

Lost Soul
25th May 2010, 04:13
Another war. Great. Just what we want and need when we're tottering on economic collapse.

Humble Janitor
25th May 2010, 06:55
Legalize marijuana and tell these fools to share a toke or something. People have too much to worry about to even think about mindless fighting.

jackovesk
25th May 2010, 17:09
Hon. James David Manning says Barack Hussein "The Long Legged Mack Daddy" Obama was a C.I.A operative who used Columbia University as a cover to go to Pakistan in 1981 when the CIA and the Mujahideen worked together against the Soviet Invasion. Obama supplied arms, logistics, and money using his Muslim background.


http://www.youtube.com/user/ATLAHWorldwide

Dr. James Manning's now-famous trial of Barack Obama in Harlem, New York has ended. The jury found Obama and Columbia University guilty on all charges.

The trial, however, unveils many more questions than it provides answers.

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m5d19-Guilty-verdict-in-Obama-trial-more-questions-than-answers?cid=examiner-email

Majorion
25th May 2010, 17:48
Obama supplied arms, logistics, and money using his Muslim background.

Dr. James Manning's now-famous trial of Barack Obama in Harlem, New York has ended. The jury found Obama and Columbia University guilty on all charges.

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m5d19-Guilty-verdict-in-Obama-trial-more-questions-than-answers?cid=examiner-email
Please note: "Examiner" is the least credible source, for any information, about anything. Akin to Pravda and AllNewsWeb. A little research (beyond reading one article) will demonstrate what-should-be-obvious facts here.

Hon. James Manning puts Obama on [mock] trial for CIA activity


This may seem like old news, but Manning has actually had a big [mock] trial at his church in New York all this week.http://www.dailypaul.com/node/134963

Trial at his "church", not a "courtroom" -- as the reader is lead to believe.

Lucrum
26th May 2010, 17:03
To the defense of the original article, it was mentioned that this wasn't a court sanctioned trial:


Obviously the event was a 'public' rather than a 'court' trial. No court sanctioned it. The legality of public trials apart from court sanction has not been established. While the Constitution does, indeed, maintain that the ultimate power of government rests with 'we, the people,' and while a case can be made that under the 10th amendment the people, acting under the auspices of local and state authorities, can engage in certain acts of self-governance apart from the sanction and control of the federal government, it has not been established that any local entity in Harlem granted state or local legal status to the trial.

So it wasn't really misleading, other than a misleading headline...but hey, isn't that just standard! :P

Baelsfire
26th May 2010, 17:44
I think anyone who comprehends how a courtroom is will see that it is no different than a temple or church anyway.

People are well within rights to set up a court of the law of the land and calling such a thing a mockery because its not based upon revenue and the laws of sea is ridiculous. Infact such a court is probably the only way to insure that the trial is truly impartial and there is no deception of who serves who first and foremost (re: oath to the bar), in a sense, avoiding the obvious corruption.

Redtailhawk
9th June 2010, 19:55
Start listening at about 2:15, the host of the show sounds like a real clown but Tim Adams testimony sounds solid.

Explosive Testimony: Honolulu Chief Elections Clerk Says Obama NOT Born in Hawaii
June 9, 2010 · 8 Comments

Tim Adams was the Chief Elections Clerk for the city and county of Honolulu, Hawaii, during the 2008 presidential election. As Chief Elections Clerk, he supervised a staff of 50 and had access to all the database to verify documents like birth certificates and birth places of campaign candidates.

On June 5, 2010, Adams was interviewed by James Edwards of the Political Cesspool radio show. Adams says unequivocally:

“Barack Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fdsz1iqEE&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fdsz1iqEE&feature=player_embedded

Adams is currently teaching in the graduate program of Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, Kentucky, (270) 745-0111. He’s listed, as Timothy Adams, in WKU’s faculty-staff directory, HERE. Timothy Adams is also listed as a Graduate Assistant of the English Department, HERE:
Timothy Adams
timothy.adams773@wku.edu
CH 20
(270) 745-5767

Redtailhawk
9th June 2010, 22:23
AZ Paper On Obama’s Connecticut Social Security Number
June 9, 2010 · Leave a Comment

An Arizona paper, Sonoran News, has picked up the scent of Obama’s curious Connecticut social security number. For the background on this, see my post HERE. For Obama’s multiple social security numbers, see my post HERE.

H/t Sol and Tina!

~Eowyn

Still seeking an explanation for Obama’s SSN 042-68-4425

By Linda Bentley – Sonoran News (“The Conservative Voice of Arizona”) – June 2, 2010

The SSA neither issues Connecticut SSNs to Hawaiian residents nor does it ‘recycle’ dead people’s SSNs

According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), the first three digits of every Social Security number (SSN) indicates the state in which the person resides. Only one number may be issued to any given person, even in the event of identity theft, and numbers are never “recycled” after a person dies.

The instructions accompanying the application to apply for an original SSN, apply for a replacement card, and change or correct information on a SSN record are riddled with the term “you must.”

The instructions begin by stating, “IMPORTANT: You MUST provide a properly completed application and the required evidence before we can process your application. We can only accept original documents or documents certified by the custodian of the original record. Notarized copies or photocopies which have not been certified by the custodian of the records are not acceptable.”

It goes on to state, “To apply for an original card, you must provide at least two documents to prove age, identity, and U.S. citizenship or current lawful, work-authorized immigration status. If you are not a U.S. citizen and do not have DHS work authorization, you must prove you have a valid non-work reason for requesting a card.” It specifically points out, “If you are 12 or older and have never received a SSN, you must apply in person.”

In January 2005, President Bush signed Public Law 108-458, the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which required the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Commissioner of Social Security and others, “to promulgate regulation establishing minimum standards for birth certificates,” which, among other things, mandated a requirement for proof and verification of identity as a condition of issuance of a birth certificate.

Public Law 108-458 limited the number of replacement SSN cards issued to any individual to three per year and 10 for the life of the individual, while establishing minimum standards for the verification of documents or records submitted by an individual to establish eligibility for an original or replacement SSN card, other than for enumeration at birth (EAB).

The Commissioner of Social Security was required to add death indicators to the SSN verification systems used by employers and state agencies issuing driver’s licenses and identity cards and allowed the commissioner discretion to add death indicators to other verification routines “as determined appropriate.”

The commissioner was also required to add fraud indicators to the SSN verification systems and make improvements to the EAB application process so as to “prevent the assignment of SSNs to unnamed children, the issuance of more than one SSN to the same child, and other opportunities for fraudulently obtaining a SSN.”

Additionally, the law prohibited federal, state and local governments from displaying SSNs on drivers’ licenses, motor vehicle registrations or other identification documents issued by state departments of motor vehicles.

SSN applicants must provide a birth certificate for evidence of age and, as proof of identity, a U.S. driver’s license, a U.S. state-issued non-driver identity card, or a U.S. passport.

The instructions state, “If you are not a U.S. citizen, we must see your current U.S. immigration document(s) and your foreign passport with biographical information or photograph.” In all caps it emphasizes, “We cannot accept a birth certificate, hospital souvenir birth certificate, social security card stub or social security record” as evidence of identity.

For evidence of immigration status, applicants must provide a current unexpired document issued by the DHS. If an international student or exchange visitor, additional documents may be required. It states, “If you are not authorized to work in the U.S., we can issue you a Social Security card only if you need the number for a valid non-work reason. Your card will be marked to show you cannot work and if you do work, we will notify DHS.”

Sonoran News contacted a congressional aide to ask if elected representatives, upon being elected and placed on the U.S. taxpayer-funded payroll, were required to fill out Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification. The instructions accompanying Form I-9 provide answers about the purpose of the form and when it should be used. According to those instructions, “All employees (citizens and noncitizens) hired after November 6, 1986, and working in the United States must complete Form I-9.” No exceptions are noted.

After contacting Member Services for the U.S. House of Representatives, the aide said she was told members are not required to fill out a Form I-9. She was told the reason the House does not require a Form I-9 from its members is because the Constitution requires anyone who runs for a seat in the House to be a U.S. citizen for a minimum of seven years. And, when a person runs for office, they must file proof with their state’s election office that they meet the requirements of the office.

However that does not appear to be the case. If it were, Roger Calero, a Nicaraguan national and convicted felon, wouldn’t have been able to appear on the ballot as the Socialist Worker’s Party candidate for president of the United States in numerous states.

No one appears to be responsible for certifying, under penalty of perjury, that he has examined one document from List A or one each from List B and C, and that the documents presented appear genuine and relate to the candidate, who simply signs a document swearing to be eligible.

There is no apparent law or written policy that exempts members of Congress or other elected officials on taxpayer-funded payrolls from filling out a Form I-9.

Sonoran News continues to seek answers regarding Obama’s fraudulent use of another person’s SSN, the use of which has been cemented in with his fraudulently created Selective Service registration.

pyrangello
10th June 2010, 11:39
This came out the other day on world net daily, house of cards is starting to fall inward.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=164409


Calls for Obama's resignation cites, deciet, fraud, dishonesty. will see.

Grizzom
10th June 2010, 17:11
http://i48.tinypic.com/2r3jg5g.jpg

"What you goin to do about it"

Guilty verdict in Obama trial: more questions than answers:
by Anthony G. Martin on May 19 2010

Dr. James Manning's now-famous trial of Barack Obama in Harlem, New York has ended. The jury found Obama and Columbia University guilty on all charges.

The trial, however, unveils many more questions than it provides answers.

But first, a few observations are in order about the nature of this event.

Obviously the event was a 'public' rather than a 'court' trial. No court sanctioned it. The legality of public trials apart from court sanction has not been established. While the Constitution does, indeed, maintain that the ultimate power of government rests with 'we, the people,' and while a case can be made that under the 10th amendment the people, acting under the auspices of local and state authorities, can engage in certain acts of self-governance apart from the sanction and control of the federal government, it has not been established that any local entity in Harlem granted state or local legal status to the trial.

In that sense the trial and the verdict have no binding legal authority.

However, should a legal authority, a court, a law enforcement agency, an Attorney-General either at the state or national level, decide that the evidence presented at the Manning trial is overwhelming enough to launch a full investigation, then ultimately the results of the trial could carry the full weight of legal authority.

Dr. Manning has stated that he intends to present the evidence and the verdict to U.S. Attorney-General Eric Holder. At that point the ball will be in the 'court' of the Department of Justice. If no action is taken on the verdict, then there is not much further that can be done.

But if action is taken and an official investigation ensues, then perhaps the goal of this event will have been met. The problem is that under the present circumstances it is next to impossible for that to happen. Holder is Obama's choice and Congress is held in the grip of Obama's Party. End of story.

Serious, unanswered questions remain, however--questions that the trial did an excellent job of bringing to the surface.

These questions are as follows:

Why didn't Barack Obama have a Social Security Number issued in his name when he was first employed as a 14-year-old in Hawaii? Why was there such a long delay after his first job before an application was made for a Social Security Number? And why was he given a Connecticut Social Security Number previously used by a man born in the late 1800s, given that Obama never lived in Connecticut to begin with?

The first instance of Obama's use of the Connecticut number was when he started to work as a Community Organizer in Chicago--a very long way from Connecticut.

Further, why was Obama given a degree from Columbia University when no one in Harlem ever remembers him being there, and although witnesses have testified that he was never a student on campus? And the address given by Obama as the one that he used while a student in Harlem does not exist.

But perhaps the most telling question of all is, why did Obama use a Kenyan passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981? Wouldn't a U.S. citizen normally be given an American passport? It seems to be standard procedure--and the law--that passports are given only to citizens of the country in which they reside.

And what has the CIA got to do with all of this mess?

The fact is we may never know for sure unless somebody in authority in the government decides to investigate and discover the answers.

But one thing is for sure--Obama is an enigma, a shadow, a persona created out of the murky circumstances of his past, which is being carefully hidden. Why would it even need to be hidden?

These questions are disturbing to anyone who takes our Constitution and our way of life seriously. Our form of government, as delineated in the Constitution, is dependent upon the honesty and transparency of those who hold public office. And if a fraud is elected, a charlatan, a person who presents himself as something he is not, then the entire American system of government is in grave danger.

Better to err on the side of utmost caution than to glibly dismiss all of these questions as 'mere coincidences.' Coincidences do happen, no doubt, but this many and this often--all revolving around one man?

The odds are that the country is in grave danger.

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m5d19-Guilty-verdict-in-Obama-trial-more-questions-than-answers?cid=examiner-email (http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Conservative-Examiner%7Ey2010m5d19-Guilty-verdict-in-Obama-trial-more-questions-than-answers?cid=examiner-email)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WedxY61d60&feature=related

"Hon. James David Manning says Barack Hussein "The Long Legged Mack Daddy" - Obama was a C.I.A operative who used Columbia University as a cover to go to Pakistan in 1981 when the CIA and the Mujahideen worked together against the Soviet Invasion. Obama supplied arms, logistics, and money using his Muslim background.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyEFteFJz2o




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytW3xpQj97o

Obama puts Kalamazoo kid Asleep!
President Obama delievering commencement speech in Kalamazoo Michigan, and the kid in the background started yawning, then dozed off..... .. wow!!

I believe this story goes along the same lines as yours, I hope you don't mind me posting it :confused:

The college law school he supposedly graduated from, convicted him as a treasonous liar!

How much evidence do you need to impeach this shill? :argue:


Where's a come stained dress when we really need one! :p

Fredkc
10th June 2010, 17:22
Dr. Manning has stated that he intends to present the evidence and the verdict to U.S. Attorney-General Eric Holder.
And there it will end, really, IMO.

As I say in my signature on another forum:
"The Constitution died years ago! It would be kind to say that hardly anyone noticed. In reality, most cheered."
"It may be that the American people aren't educated, or interested enough to sustain a free society." P.C. Roberts

Redtailhawk
10th June 2010, 18:48
And there it will end, really, IMO.

As I say in my signature on another forum:
"The Constitution died years ago! It would be kind to say that hardly anyone noticed. In reality, most cheered."
"It may be that the American people aren't educated, or interested enough to sustain a free society." P.C. Roberts

Even if it is true that the Constitution is dead and Barry is operating as the CEO of the US Corporation, we Americans should at least be entitled to an HONEST, TRANSPARENT and NON FRAUDULENT/LYING CEO.

Redtailhawk
10th June 2010, 19:22
Hawaii elections clerk: Obama not born here
Official who oversaw ballots in 2008 race says hospital birth certificate non-existent
Posted: June 10, 2010
3:39 am Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

A college instructor who worked as a senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.


Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for Honolulu, now teaches English at Western Kentucky University.

"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

Adams, who says he's a Hillary Clinton supporter who ended up voting for John McCain when Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, told WND, "I managed the absentee-ballot office. It was my job to verify the voters' identity."

He says during the 2008 campaign when the issue of Obama's constitutional eligibility first arose, the elections office was inundated with requests to verify the birthplace of the U.S. senator from Illinois.

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"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

At the time, there were conflicting reports that Obama had been born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, as well as the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children across town. So Adams says his office checked with both facilities.

"They told us, 'We don't have a birth certificate for him,'" he said. "They told my supervisor, either by phone or by e-mail, neither one has a document that a doctor signed off on saying they were present at this man's birth."

To date, no Hawaiian hospital has provided documented confirmation that Obama was born at its facility.


Copy of original long-form birth certificate of Susan Nordyke, born in Honolulu the day after Obama's reported birthdate. President Obama has never produced any document like this

WND confirmed with Hawaiian officials that Adams was indeed working in their election offices during the last presidential election.

"His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the city and county of Honolulu.

Takahashi also confirmed Adams' time frame at the office from spring until the month of August.

"We hire temporary workers, because we're seasonal," he said.

(Story continues below)

click here



However, when WND asked Takahashi if the elections office could check on birth records, he said, "We don't have access to that kind of records. [There's] no access to birth records."

Adams responded, "They may say, 'We don't have access to that.' The regular workers don't, the ones processing ballots; but the people in administration do. I was the one overseeing the work of the people doing the balloting."

Adams stressed, "In my professional opinion, [Obama] definitely was not born in Hawaii. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he was not born in Hawaii because there is no legal record of him being born there. If someone called and asked about it, I could not tell them that person was born in the state."

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The White House has maintained a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, or COLB, is proof enough of Obama's Hawaiian birth, even though it has no hospital or doctor's name on it. Such documents differ from a Certificate of Live Birth which includes those details. In response to a direct question from WND, the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of Obama's short-form COLB, posted online – neither the image produced by the Obama campaign nor the images released by FactCheck.org.


This short-form Certification of Live Birth image, which is not the same as a long-form, hospital-generated Certificate of Live Birth, was released by the Obama campaign June 2008.

"Anyone can get that [COLB]," said Adams. "They are normally given if you give birth at home or while traveling overseas. We have a lot of Asian population [in Hawaii]. It's quite common for people to come back and get that."

When WND mentioned there were announcements of Obama's birth published in Hawaiian newspapers, Adams noted, "I'm sure the [maternal] grandparents were happy to put that in the paper when he got born."

But Adams says that doesn't necessarily mean he was actually born in Hawaii. While he's not 100 percent sure of Obama's true birthplace, he does think Kenya is a possibility, since his paternal grandmother stated that before allegedly being silenced by other family members.


Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii

Last month, as WND reported, Hawaii's Republican Gov. Linda Lingle reignited Obama's origin on a New York radio show.

"It's been an odd situation," Lingle said. "This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it's one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.

"So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this."

Although the governor now claims she issued a news release stating Kapi'olani is Obama's birthplace, the actual release said no such thing, making no reference to Kapi'olani nor any other specific location of Obama's birth.

WND asked Adams why the governor would make such assertions if a Hawaiian hospital-generated birth certificate did not exist.

"Why would they say they've seen it and not produce it? I don't know," he said. "If they said they've seen the document, then why not produce the document? There's no need to put themselves out like that. I can't even begin to think why they did that except for some kind of political expediency. I'm too far down the totem pole [to know]."

While Adams, who noted he spent nearly 10 years in the islands and has a bachelor's degree from the University of Hawaii, says he's certain Obama was not born there, he also does think the president is indeed a U.S. citizen, since his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham was an American.

He says he merely would like to see the truth come out and have the controversy over natural-born citizenship and presidential eligibility resolved once and for all.

"It's come to the point where it's a monster, and it's time to kill it," Adams said. "Solve the problem so that everyone can get back to cooperating to improve the country. People have lost sight that we're trying to make the country a better place."

He also feels some empathy for Obama, foreseeing what the president would potentially experience based on confirmation of his claims.

"You don't have to like President Obama," he said, "but it is sad that he's going to have to go through this public pillory by the time this all comes out, that they did cover this up; and that's sad because the first African-American man to become president shouldn't have this blight on his term in office. That's what he'll get remembered for. It's sad."

Adams says he's been telling other people his information for a long time, and he's free to talk about it publicly since he no longer has any confidentiality restrictions from his former employer, the Honolulu government. People started to pay attention this week after he was briefly interviewed by James Edwards, host of a weekly radio show on WLRM Radio in Memphis, Tenn.

As WND reported last July, the Kapi'olani Medical Center trumpeted – then later concealed – a letter allegedly written by President Obama in which he ostensibly declares his birth at the facility.


A photograph taken by the Kapi'olani Medical Center for WND shows a letter allegedly written by President Obama on embossed White House stationery in which he declares the Honolulu hospital to be "the place of my birth," The hospital, after publicizing the letter then refusing to confirm it even existed, is now vouching for its authenticity, but not its content. The White House has yet to verify any aspect of the letter.

"As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters," Obama purportedly wrote.


This excerpt from the alleged Obama letter is perhaps the first formal declaration from the president about his exact birthplace. The White House has still not confirmed if the letter or its contents are authentic.

But the authenticity of that letter remains in doubt. Since WND raised questions about the veracity of the letter itself and its content, the White House has refused to say if the message is real and if its text originated with the president.

When WND correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the letter at the July 13 news briefing, Gibbs dodged the question, refusing to confirm its authenticity while belittling Kinsolving for even posing the question.


Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refused to confirm the authenticity of the alleged Jan. 24, 2009, letter from President Obama to his purported place of birth, Kapi'olani Medical Center.

"Do all of your listeners and the listeners throughout this country the service to which any journalist owes those listeners, and that is the pursuit of the noble truth," Gibbs lectured Kinsolving. "And the noble truth is that the president was born in Hawaii, a state of the United States of America."

Since the medical center used the letter for a high-profile fundraising campaign in the Spring 2009 edition of its Inspire Magazine, the FBI and United States Secret Service said the matter could potentially lead to criminal prosecution were the letter determined to be fraudulent.

"It would be a charity-fraud scheme," said FBI spokesman Steve Kodak. "It would be investigated by us or the Secret Service. We both have jurisdiction over that."

WND also revealed the discovery by private investigators who say Obama is mysteriously using a Social Security Number that was issued in Connecticut, despite having worked in Hawaii as a teen and there being no mention of him living in Connecticut.

Meanwhile, Hawaii continues to get requests for release of Obama's hospital-generated birth certificate, leading state lawmakers to take action.

They passed a bill in April allowing any Hawaii department to ignore repeated inquiries for information from the same person, if the department already has responded within a year. Gov. Lingle signed it into law shortly after WND's report about her declaration on radio that Obama was born at Kapi'olani.

rosie
19th June 2010, 14:14
Well, it is official. Seems the internet looks like a weapon now to the governments. Not a good day for free expression. :suspicious:

Quote:
He would be able to order popular search engines such a Google and Yahoo to suspend access their websites in times of national emergency.

Other US based Internet service providers as well as broadband providers would also come under his control in times of a 'cybersecurity emergency.' Any company that failed to comply would be subject to huge fines.

Critics of the new law, which has been proposed by former presidential candidate Joe Liebermann, said it would be an abuse of power to let the White House control the internet.

TechAmerica, one of the largest U.S. technology lobby groups, said the new law had the 'potential for absolute power.'.

The proposed legislation, introduced into the US Senate by Lieberman who is chairman of the US Homeland Security committee, seeks to grant the President broad emergency powers over the internet in times of national emergency.

A sustained terror attack on multiple cities would be considered a national emergency as would a cyber attack by 'hackers' on the US financial system.

The director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair warned earlier this year that the US is 'severely threatened' by malicious cyber attacks.

The number of attacks on Government departments has increased by 400 per cent in the last three years.

Under the proposed bill, which has been dubbed an Internet kill switch', the US Government would effectively seize control of access to the internet.

Lieberman argued the bill was necessary to 'preserve those networks and assets and our country and protect our people'.

He said: 'For all of its 'user-friendly' allure, the Internet can also be a dangerous place with electronic pipelines that run directly into everything from our personal bank accounts to key infrastructure to government and industrial secrets.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287695/Obama-given-right-shut-internet-kill-switch.html#ixzz0rJAU6MIq

Humble Janitor
19th June 2010, 18:01
You know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. The internet is not going away as long as there are people dedicated to hacking/cracking it. I would bet that people would work behind the scenes to keep some semblance of the internet going. If not, then there was life before the internet and there will be life after.

unplugged
19th June 2010, 18:16
You know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. The internet is not going away as long as there are people dedicated to hacking/cracking it. I would bet that people would work behind the scenes to keep some semblance of the internet going. If not, then there was life before the internet and there will be life after.

I agree with you. In fact, such a move may backfire in that while the "average" non-techie user is shut out, those who are the real targets to shut up are going to be the very ones who figure out a way to continue access sans the controllers.

In any event, the primary area of concern should NOT be the "googles," etc. on the web. It is the ACCESS nodes controlled by wireless, fiber optic and satellite providers.

Operator
19th June 2010, 18:28
I am on an island in the Caribbean. Internet is interrupted very frequently lately and sometimes slower than a dial-up connection. The reason given by the one and only ISP here is maintenance.

But I think after so many weeks it is not the case ... If I speed test to their servers it's ok (locally everything is fine). It's the connection from the island to the outside world that's degraded ...
(I know satellite is one of their main connections ... did they lose a satellite connection ?)

Bottom line is: "You never miss the water until the well runs dry". There is nothing to solve through hacking here ... just degrade the capacity and you will get an idea what it is like not to be
connected to the rest of the world like it used to be. When info stops flowing ... a lot more comes to a screeching halt. I think we should listen once more to the Dan Sherman (http://projectcamelot.org/dan_sherman.html) interview

jeannacav
19th June 2010, 23:54
Here is another thought about that.
Business and banking and government is being done over the internet more and more all the time.
They need it to stay up.
[Business is better on the net than anywhere unless you live in a big city.
Banking is almost exclusively done over the net, and we know they want the way to collect money.
Government services like paying property taxes and auto plates and social security activities are all being accomplished online.]

They COULD threaten us with shutting it down, and if we are so easily thrown into fear (I was at first, too) that we lose our senses, we could get bullied into accepting an unacceptable kind of non freedom, but we do not have to accept that, if we know it is not something that would ever happen.
If we say..., "Go ahead, shut it down!" then they will need to find some excuse to open it up again because they need it perhaps more than we suspect.
They rely on it.
If we knuckle under in fear, we could be made to accept the unacceptable.

Please everyone, think this through!

jeanna

Fredkc
20th June 2010, 02:08
Lieberman argued the bill was necessary to 'preserve those networks and assets and our country and protect our people'.
First of all, ANY time you hear this phrase, you know for a fact, someone is lieing to you. Nobody in Congress, or the Administration takes an oath to "protect people".

What they all take an oath to do is "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

There are specific jobs given to government. They have no others, except through usurpation. They have their oaths...
Article II Section 1: (The President) "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article IV: (Everyone else) "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution"

... but keeping anyone safe is really only mentioned in terms of insuring domestic Tranquility.


Amendment 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble.


He said: 'For all of its 'user-friendly' allure, the Internet can also be a dangerous place with electronic pipelines that run directly into everything from our personal bank accounts to key infrastructure to government and industrial secrets.

Part 1: "the Internet can also be a dangerous place"
Not his damned job! Says so, right here:
"Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting ... or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people to peaceably assemble. "

Here is the biggest, dirtiest lie in US politics today. No one, and I mean nobody "gets" ANY rights from the Constitution! Nope! Not even in the so-called Bill Of Rights! Go read them (http://fredsitelive.com/politics/usconst.htm#amd0)!

Each and every Amendment is written "in the negative". They are NOT about what you get... as a US citizen you had all this already! Had it before the Constitution was even written. They are written in the negative, because they are very specific declarations about what government will never do, and has no authority to touch. Get it?!?

So government is not only given no authority, but is specifically prohibited from passing any law that lets government interfere with speech, press, and people to peaceably assemble. The Internet represents all three.

Part 2: "electronic pipelines that run directly into everything from our personal bank accounts to key infrastructure to government and industrial secrets."

"personal bank accounts": Not Congress' job!
"industrial secrets": Not their job either.
"key infrastructure to government": Well golly! He finally hit on something that IS their job. Also, it's a job government has totally failed at. The US government's computer infrastructure leaks like a G-d Damned sieve!

If Liebermann has a shred of credibility in this (relax, he doesn't) then it's because he knows damned well the government's computers are sitting ducks. What he is proposing is a pure Statist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statism) approach to a specific problem.

He wants to: Throw away his oath (did that decades ago), Throw away the Constitution, and just make something up. Government giving itself more power it never had, and never should have. Power it will never give back.

Link to a good CNet.com article (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20007418-38.html).
Link to the 197 page proposed bill (http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=4ee63497-ca5b-4a4b-9bba-04b7f4cb0123) (PDF).

Here endeth the rant. ;)

Fred

Anchor
20th June 2010, 04:31
LOL - as if stopping Google will help with cyber attacks

Jonathon
20th June 2010, 05:01
Realize that the oath to protect and defend the constitution of the United States has nothing to do with the subjects (mostly you and I). The Constitution is a security defined as:
Something given or deposited as surety for the fulfillment of a promise or an obligation, the payment of a debt, etc. One who becomes surety for another. An evidence of debt or of property, as a bond or a certificate of stock.

See CONSTITUTOR, civil law. He who promised by a simple pact to pay the debt of another; and this is always a principal obligation.

What they protect and defend are the creditors who financed/purchased this security (The Blessings of Liberty) - that being the international bankers whom we all unwittingly tithe and serve with our ignorance etc. We live in the Democracy - the de facto bankrupt state created when we defaulted twice (70 years per instance) on the original post Revolutionary War debt (The Constitution) and lost our individual sovereignty (1929).

My apologies for the quick cliff notes version, however supporters of The Constitution have no clue what it is they are actually supporting. It's all smoke and mirrors.

As far as taking the internet down. That's GREAT news - talk about a mass wake-up event. Washington will be nothing but 7 bricks and 1/2 a charred monument inside of a week.

Lost Soul
20th June 2010, 05:54
Facism lives!

Remember, the more desperately they try to control us, the closer they are to losing control. Earth changes are coming and there's nothing they can do to stop it.

unplugged
20th June 2010, 06:12
. . . As far as taking the internet down. That's GREAT news - talk about a mass wake-up event. Washington will be nothing but 7 bricks and 1/2 a charred monument inside of a week.

LOVED this comment! Of course you're right! What's interesting is the Liebermann's of this slimy world aren't showing an equivalent concern for shutting down the garbage spewed daily into people's homes via television. That is a nicely controlled contrivance owned and operated almost exclusively by the PTWannabes. The internet? Not so! This is a worldwide phenomenon that allows people of all races, creeds, beliefs and cultures to be linked together in completely non-controllable ways. THAT's what bugs the hell out of them.

The internet is a lot like Pandora's box. Once opened it's gonna be close to impossible to pack it all back in.

Operator
20th June 2010, 13:33
As far as taking the internet down. That's GREAT news - talk about a mass wake-up event. Washington will be nothing but 7 bricks and 1/2 a charred monument inside of a week.

That's why they won't take it down ... but with new technology of Internet 2.0 they can selectively slow down or shut of certain sites, parts of the internet or types of connections. They are not stupid.
The masses can still watch all the rubbish ... they know how to avoid revolution ... (it will happen anyway of course).

unplugged
20th June 2010, 16:25
That's why they won't take it down ... but with new technology of Internet 2.0 they can selectively slow down or shut of certain sites, parts of the internet or types of connections. They are not stupid.
The masses can still watch all the rubbish ... they know how to avoid revolution ... (it will happen anyway of course).

I don't think web 2.0 will work in their preferred "free market" economy EXCEPT in countries that have only one ISP available to them. It would be close to impossible for them to get ALL ISPs to move toward Web 2 simultaneously. If that is not accomplished, folks will simply terminate their service with the Web 2 ISP that is denying them universal access and hop over to those that continue universal access. That means lost revenue for the ones who comply. AOL is an excellent example of this. AOL had a model that interposed their technology between the user and direct access to the web. It didn't take long for the business plan to get exposed and for hundreds of thousands of users to quit the AOL accounts for direct access accounts. AOL never recovered financially from the mass defections.

I agree the PTB want that level of control. However it's far more difficult to constrain AFTER THE FACT than it is to do so BEFORE the fact. In any event, what would they do with 'youtube" and other exceedingly popular services equivalent to "youtube?"

Grizzom
21st June 2010, 05:44
http://i47.tinypic.com/v3oowh.jpg

According to the Executive Order that details the President’s “National Prevention and Health Promotion Strategy,” the Council will be charged with carrying out ” lifestyle behavior modification” among American citizens that do not exhibit “healthy behavior.”

The President’s desired lifestyle behavior modifications detailed in Sec. 6 (c) focus on:

* smoking cessation;
* proper nutrition;
* appropriate exercise;
* mental health;
* behavioral health;
* sedentary behavior (see Sec. 3 [c]);
* substance-use disorder; and
* domestic violence screenings.

Making matters even worse, if that is even possible at this point, President Obama will create an “Advisory Group” composed of experts hand-picked from the public health field and various other areas of expertise “outside the Federal Government.”

Read more here:http://nannystateliberationfront.net/2010/06/12/obama-issues-executive-order-mandating-lifestyle-behavior-modification/

xbusymom
22nd June 2010, 05:17
ok, so to play the devil's advocate...

what is wrong with helping people get back to a healthy lifestyle... everyone is always saying they need to do it... but always seem to never get around to doing it... (like all those New Year's resolutions we all hear about but never see the results of...)

maybe some of the sheeples need an extra push in the right direction???

pilotsimone
22nd June 2010, 06:21
I'm pretty sure these means we're all going to be force-fed broccoli. :p

conk
22nd June 2010, 13:58
A healthy lifestyle means you will be required to vaccinate and take prescription drugs. That's the only answer they have to health.

Fredkc
22nd June 2010, 16:19
"The scariest thing about being free is, you have to allow the same freedom for everyone else, or its just a farce." - Fred

pyrangello
22nd June 2010, 16:55
You know 40 million americans are on food stamps to get their food. For the rest of us that do not live off the government but only pay for all that they are doing I certainley don't need any help in my lifestyle department in life.

Gee now I need an advisory group of people I don't even know to tell me too?

How about dealing with more important issues like sealing off our borders first, setting up an immigration program for those who are here. This would help curb crime, financial burdens to the state and hospials and make our country healthier.

Setting up a program to curb fraud in the medicare system.More money for other worthy causes.

Stem the flow of lawsuits on medical suits.Hey this will lower insurance premiums for docs, many in private practice.

Cover the terminally ill immediately for health care like so many politicians said they would only to use these ill people as poster people to further the cause of national health care and now that it is approved, hey terminally ill thanks for your service and your still not covered and if you die, oh well I got mine, right?

Update us with a plan for the oil spill, getting out of iraq and afganistan, didn't someone pledge to get us out of there. Am I missing something or did we pass go without rolling the dice.

Tuza
24th June 2010, 11:42
Absolutely nothing as far as the oil spill is concerned.

He cancelled his plans to travel to Australia recently citing the disaster of the oil spill. Well, what are you doing about it Mr President, nothing. Wildlife have died terribly, coastline and wetlands ruined, everything still suffering and you go out there and look at it and say oh yeah its bad we are going to clean this up and you have done sweet ..................all.

And Wilcock says your a white hat.....................I hear not only Obama is a 33rd degree mason but also has shares in swine flu vaccine. He has been prepped and recruited for this job by tptb probably from university. Took the easiest road.

The elite probably thought he would be a good option by certain sections of the community because he would help them......................................wrong.

DW please explain.

conk
24th June 2010, 14:24
Same mold, different casting. How could we expect anything different?

Fredkc
24th June 2010, 15:06
Tuza,
drop the mason/flu stuff, and you have me 100%

I've been telling people for over a year now,
"Welcome to year 10 of the Bush/Obama administration."

NeoEmc2
24th June 2010, 15:37
I don't know why people pick on Obama so much like if he has a big red button to press that says "To stop oil spill Press HERE"

He can't do much just like the regular person can't do much either. You guys who read these forums can chit chat and discuss subjects until you turn blue in the face but you're not doing anything sitting at your computer either!

This Oil gush will not stop until enough people world wide make a collective decision to stop using oil or start protesting. Better yet it won't stop until enough people get pissed off. The problem right now is that not enough people care of what's going on in the first place. They assume it will get fixed so they go about their daily lives as if nothing AND they keep buying gas at BP stations. Yippie!

The average Joe has no idea folks.

People need to get involved. Talking does nothing, you need to act and make others aware of the problem. Start with close friends and family members. Get them to notice.

jaybee
24th June 2010, 17:02
I don't know why people pick on Obama so much like if he has a big red button to press that says "To stop oil spill Press HERE"

He can't do much just like the regular person can't do much either. You guys who read these forums can chit chat and discuss subjects until you turn blue in the face but you're not doing anything sitting at your computer either!



I agree.

He's a politician not a miracle worker.

Sarahmay
24th June 2010, 17:09
Obama did NOT cause the oil spill, and it may not be fixable. It is ridiculously easy to place blame...but why not put it where it belongs, on BP?

xbusymom
24th June 2010, 17:20
He can't do much just like the regular person can't do much either. You guys who read these forums can chit chat and discuss subjects until you turn blue in the face but you're not doing anything sitting at your computer either!

This Oil gush will not stop until enough people world wide make a collective decision to stop using oil or start protesting. Better yet it won't stop until enough people get pissed off. The problem right now is that not enough people care of what's going on in the first place. They assume it will get fixed so they go about their daily lives as if nothing AND they keep buying gas at BP stations. Yippie!

The average Joe has no idea folks.

People need to get involved. Talking does nothing, you need to act and make others aware of the problem. Start with close friends and family members. Get them to notice.

sooo... we all boycott the gas stations (since they are ALL owned by virtually the same people), then we have no gas to get to work, then we get fired and have no money to pay rent so we end up on the street... etc...

how does that help anyone make reasonable, lasting changes for the betterment of our world???

wouldn't it be a better plan to DISCUSS what our options are (according to each person's situation) for a team effort ???

rosie
24th June 2010, 17:22
Not one person or company is to blame. It is the industrial age, we are all consumers of oil. We put out the need for more, we make the oil companies richer by our demands to have more.

We are all to blame.

It is us who have to take a good look at our own lifestyles, and decide if we want to give it all up, or to continue down the path that seems to be set for us.

If everyone took that first small step, think of how big the steps will become, hopefully in time for the next generation to benefit from.

This is my humble opinion on this matter. Responsibility starts from within.

in love & light :wub:

jaybee
24th June 2010, 17:30
sooo... we all boycott the gas stations (since they are ALL owned by virtually the same people), then we have no gas to get to work, then we get fired and have no money to pay rent so we end up on the street... etc...


The above statement is so true.....and illustrates the strangle-hold that these big corporations have on our lives, national economies and global economy.

Hopefully the heartbreaking oil disaster will be over in the not too distant future...and something can be done to ensure it never happens again.

If any good comes from this mess...IMO...it will be to strengthen the desire in the general population to explore different...cleaner energy.

You never know. The Gulf of Mexico tragedy may herald the beginning of the end of the oil industry.... ???

Or at least weaken it's domination... ???

Humble Janitor
24th June 2010, 20:32
I've learned that it's perfectly fine to criticize someone that you voted for and I have no problem with throwing the occasional fastball at Obama.

However, some people just go way too far with the hatred and venom.

Whether it's the Barry Sotero thing, birth certificate thing or mason/swine flu/illuminati puppet thing, the venom has increased a thousand-fold since this disaster took place.

We don't know what is running through his mind. I think it's possible that he's in over his head or he's caving into massive pressure from the people around him in higher positions (the dismissal of McChrystal is puzzling and I now think it doesn't make a lick of sense since no one likes Betray-us).

I would hope that he would be able to figure out what his place is and what he needs to do because time is running out on that.

pilotsimone
24th June 2010, 21:25
What's your plan, Tuza? You must have one or you wouldn't have posted this. We're all ears.

Tuza
24th June 2010, 23:05
What's your plan, Tuza? You must have one or you wouldn't have posted this. We're all ears.

Well, eventhough I live in the southern most part of Oz I asked someone on another forum who is from the US which are the most widespread newspapers I could write to. They said Washington Post, Huffington Post, New York Times. As soon as I found this out I emailed them asking what was actually being done now it is getting into two months down the track, and the wildlife and coastline etc etc are dying and suffering. I didn't just sit there and do nothing.

I have also heard that there are about 2000 skimmers but Obama is not using all of them just in case there is another oil spill somewhere else :confused: is that right.

As far as the BP execs, what are they doing exactly except scratching their head and wading through the thousands of ideas and inventions people are sending from around the world to try to help.

I know I am only an old woman here guys, but instead of sending all your military to the war zones I would be sending everything at my disposal with everything available to do something asap to stop the spread; it is not as if it is at my back door but I do care for the poor species suffering, the local industries suffering and the coastline suffering. Exactly what are the facts of what they are doing to stop it at the moment, anyone know anything up there.

I am trying to do something proactive but please tell us what your president is actually doing at the moment and I am all ears.

norman
24th June 2010, 23:42
I know I am only an old woman here guys, but instead of sending all your military to the war zones I would be sending everything at my disposal with everything available to do something asap to stop the spread

...........................

and I am all ears.

:gossip:

TUZA, old dear.......... I don't think real preventative action is in the script they are following. We and the planet are in deep DO-DO and the gulf oil mess is almost the least of it, in my opinion.

Tuza
25th June 2010, 00:04
Only two years older than you Norman. :p

cloud9
25th June 2010, 01:17
sooo... we all boycott the gas stations (since they are ALL owned by virtually the same people), then we have no gas to get to work, then we get fired and have no money to pay rent so we end up on the street... etc...

how does that help anyone make reasonable, lasting changes for the betterment of our world???

wouldn't it be a better plan to DISCUSS what our options are (according to each person's situation) for a team effort ???

I'm always surprised by how most of people see the situation.... the real problem is that we are AFRAID OF DOING SOMETHING! If we have no gas to get to work we will be fired but the company will be broke too, if we have no money we don't buy things and other companies will go broke, if we end up on the street people definitely will wake up and decide to so something!
The way I see it: We the people have enormous strenght in numbers, all corporations and governments depend on people to buy products, vote etc. If enough people decided to stop buying gas let's say from just one corporation, the other ones would start acting differently because they can run out of luck too, what I mean is: why can't we start acting against at least one of the big corporations?
They sure need a lesson, they have been doing what pleases them without any censorship or complain from the public and WE are the ones who make them powerful, what a corporation can do without customers buying their products? Somebody can say they're going to sell through other name or company but meanwhile they'll know WE mean business, we are serious about supporting or not products, politicians or corporations.
The biggest problem is that everybody is so afraid of losing their job that nobody will do it. So... how can we start doing something?
What about sending MILLIONS of letters to the White House or agency in charge of a problem we are facing demanding real solutions? Because so far the public is still quiet... as they it will be.
What about writing a letter that everybody can copy and print and send by the dozens and give to all their friends so they can send them too and so on...
please don't tell me that regular mail is obsolete because emails are almost invisible and untraceable outside of a computer whereas MILLIONS of letters will be very noticeable.
Also, it's a mistake to believe that :

He's a politician not a miracle worker.

Politicians: we elect them to take care of the people's problems, if this is not true, what the heck are we doing? Electing people who can't do anything for us? With all the money and resources in the world and they can't do anything?
There's no way in the world something is going to change is we persist with this kind of thinking.
We have to demand that politicians do they job! It's not one person, it's thousands and thousands of people that work for the government, if they have enough budgets for black ops and other kind of corrupted endeavors, what's the excuse for not doing what they are supposed to be doing?

They absolutely have us convinced that we CAN'T DO anything and they can't either! This is a world emergency, the president of the United States should be calling and asking for help from all countries and all presidents, all scientists and thinkers, there are many people around the world with good ideas but so far, BP is the only entity "trying" to fix the problem, why the US president don't ask this company to step aside and let wiser people to be in charge?
A problem so big that could ruin many other countries, has to tackled with more seriousness and determination that it's been so far.

Now, what's the saying? The president of the United States is the most powerful man on the planet? It is so?
Well, if the people of the United States (and other countries should join too) DEMAND a solution, hey! they got to do it.
WE THE PEOPLE are very powerful, we just don't care. Every single person sending 3, 5 or 10 letters, demanding ALL human and financial resources HAVE TO GO towards the solution of this problem, just imagine what we can achieve.

Now I'm just thinking: what if all workers decided to stop going to work until free and alternative energy, electric cars, etc. be out and working, who is to loose? We? Them?
This codependency and fear is killing us!
O.k., let's say not 100% of workers, let's say 30, 50, 70% of all workers in this country not going to work and asking for a solution! I assure you, they are going to move their rear ends and start doing something very fast! Corporations are nothing without customers! Still they treat us as enemies! They don't respect us. You can say exactly the same about political parties and politicians.

cloud9
25th June 2010, 01:26
There's another point I'd like to make:
Ascension, ETs, UFOs and all other subjects are very nice, but at this moment the Gulf problem is an EMERGENCY for the whole planet. Shouldn't we be working with other nations to fix this?

Tuza
25th June 2010, 01:27
Agree 110% Cloud9, brilliant post, thumbs up. Even if everyone boycotted the BP stations and went elsewhere, then maybe boycotted something else.

I dont know if you have compulsory voting in the US, we do here although we can cast a donkey vote, but what about just not going to the polls at all, not anyone, that might let them know your not happy.

cloud9
25th June 2010, 01:41
The biggest problem we have in this world is that we don't care. All of us are happy enough having our meals at the table and watching tv. Even the "AWAKE" people feel so powerless in pathetic.

3(C)+me
25th June 2010, 01:54
Obama is most probably a mind controlled guy. Even if he wanted to do the right thing the PTB would do a John F Kennedy on him or just produce a clone (Dulce anyone?) and replace him.
Nothing new.

Humble Janitor
25th June 2010, 02:59
There's another point I'd like to make:
Ascension, ETs, UFOs and all other subjects are very nice, but at this moment the Gulf problem is an EMERGENCY for the whole planet. Shouldn't we be working with other nations to fix this?

Ascension is too cult-like for me to get behind right now. I will never lose interest in UFOs and EBEs though.

I do agree that we should focus on the problems on this planet before we begin to even think about other planets/entities.

unplugged
25th June 2010, 03:07
I've learned that it's perfectly fine to criticize someone that you voted for and I have no problem with throwing the occasional fastball at Obama.

However, some people just go way too far with the hatred and venom.

. . .

We don't know what is running through his mind. I think it's possible that he's in over his head or he's caving into massive pressure from the people around him in higher positions.

You're right! There is far more to this disaster than meets the eye. It is certainly a wake-up call of divine proportion. We can either continue down the road of hate, blame, anger, DISSONANCE -- or we can realize the time has come for us to unite our hearts and minds in our foremost desire for peace on earth, goodwill to all life, whatever its form. This, of necessity, includes the very darkest of black brigands whose power base is maintained thru negative energy. The more we align with light, forgiveness, acceptance and love the more we take power away from our "controllers."

Obama IS in over his head. He has been trussed up, dumbed down and made the target for all that is unwholesome and unloving. His non-action speaks loudly concerning the degree to which he has been retooled into a cog in the inner workings of a Dark Machine. He needs our forgiveness, prayers, loving compassion, and blessing. Those energies are NOT under the jurisdiction of the Hive Mind that pulls the strings behind the scenes. Those energies are the energies of goodness and light, and are powerful indeed.

We are at a crossroads. We can choose to fight fire with fire, or we can choose to grow as a species, making it known to all our would-be controllers that we are no longer available for manipulation in the form of adding to the dis-ease, negativity, and dark energy they happily use as a boomerang to enslave and control humanity.

Here is a post from Gerald O'Donnell concerning this disaster. There is much to ponder here: http://probablefuture.com/Beginning%20or%20End.htm

Majorion
25th June 2010, 03:14
Obama was indeed very late in reacting to this catastrophe, and his reaction since hasn't been stern enough.

pilotsimone
25th June 2010, 03:30
My apologies for the snark, Tuza. I have nothing against you personally, I was just frustrated by your cavalier accusations. I don't understand how this is at all helpful. Are you seeking to anger people? Are you seeking to create fear?

There are a good number of people on this board who spend most of their time spewing negative energy at every turn (not directing this at you, Tuza). Not to mention it's crawling with those who seek to exploit ANY situation they can. Neither is helpful to our plight.

If we REALLY want to help, we'll focus our positive energy on the situation.

I'm not holding my breath though. ;)

Steven
25th June 2010, 03:37
The problem is all ours. What are we doing? For some few people, the oil spill wasn't necessary to wake them up. For some more, it is a wake up call. But for the vast majority, it will take oil in their cups and plates to wake them up. It is sad, but we can't wait for the mass to eat and drink oil to initiate our personal action. Act locally, at your personal level. There are plenty of action possible. Ultimately, it is not about the oil in the gulf, it is about our way of life. What can we do to change our way of life? Our consumption habits. And please, don't rush on the free energy miracle trap. If we would throw free energy into the public having this actual state of consciousness, it will not take long for a smart religious fanatic to build a weapon out of it.

The oil spill is a symptom of a way of life that is over used, not in balance, and it is not just about energy, it is all about our own connection with nature. The food industry, the health industry, the entertainment industry, the religious industry, the military industry, all the industries in the world are made to disconnect us with Nature. What are we doing to reconnect? We are slowly making a desert with this globe. Where is our relationship with the planet? With what we wrongly call "wildlife", the animals, the insects, the trees, the mountains and the rivers, they all wait for us to bless them, to love them, to be grateful in truth in our heart to have them.

The water we drink, the fruits we eat, the sky we look, the bird we hear, the air we breath, all wait for us to be grateful to be here with them and bless them as a nation, as one people. Maybe this oil spill is on the path to make us realize this? And no, it is not too late. The day the people of Earth will be united in blessing Earth and all its life with real passion, the day the people of Earth will be grateful in its heart for every little things in life, this day will transform the Old Paradigm in a New. I might be wrong and totally absurd for some, but the impossible can only be done when you believe it is possible.

Namaste, Steven

Humble Janitor
25th June 2010, 08:11
Obama was indeed very late in reacting to this catastrophe, and his reaction since hasn't been stern enough.

I'm not sure how much more stern he could possibly be? If he tries to steamroll BP, he'll be accused of hassling a poor, helpless corporation (Rand Paul would probably say such a thing) and if he doesn't go too far, Joe Sixpack will continue to drag out the birth certificate/Barry Sotero thing until the man leaves office.

He can't win but of course, he's just as culpable as anyone else behind the scenes. No one is lily-white innocent.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


My apologies for the snark, Tuza. I have nothing against you personally, I was just frustrated by your cavalier accusations. I don't understand how this is at all helpful. Are you seeking to anger people? Are you seeking to create fear?

There are a good number of people on this board who spend most of their time spewing negative energy at every turn (not directing this at you, Tuza). Not to mention it's crawling with those who seek to exploit ANY situation they can. Neither is helpful to our plight.

If we REALLY want to help, we'll focus our positive energy on the situation.

I'm not holding my breath though. ;)

I know for a fact that unless most of us possess the knowledge of deep-sea rigging, there isn't much that we can do physically. We could travel down there and protest to our hearts' content but we'd put ourselves at the mercy of the chemicals in the air/water.

I think the least anyone can do is to stop going "OMG! D00msd@y!" and stop spreading wild, unfounded rumors and amateur theories. We're pretty good at avoiding that route on Avalon but GLP and ATS will blow your mind at the amount of negativity crawling on both sites.

jaybee
25th June 2010, 09:56
You're right! There is far more to this disaster than meets the eye. It is certainly a wake-up call of divine proportion. We can either continue down the road of hate, blame, anger, DISSONANCE -- or we can realize the time has come for us to unite our hearts and minds in our foremost desire for peace on earth, goodwill to all life, whatever its form. This, of necessity, includes the very darkest of black brigands whose power base is maintained thru negative energy. The more we align with light, forgiveness, acceptance and love the more we take power away from our "controllers."

Obama IS in over his head. He has been trussed up, dumbed down and made the target for all that is unwholesome and unloving. His non-action speaks loudly concerning the degree to which he has been retooled into a cog in the inner workings of a Dark Machine. He needs our forgiveness, prayers, loving compassion, and blessing. Those energies are NOT under the jurisdiction of the Hive Mind that pulls the strings behind the scenes. Those energies are the energies of goodness and light, and are powerful indeed.

We are at a crossroads. We can choose to fight fire with fire, or we can choose to grow as a species, making it known to all our would-be controllers that we are no longer available for manipulation in the form of adding to the dis-ease, negativity, and dark energy they happily use as a boomerang to enslave and control humanity.

Here is a post from Gerald O'Donnell concerning this disaster. There is much to ponder here: http://probablefuture.com/Beginning%20or%20End.htm


Nice post...thanks.

I especially agree with the high-lighted above.

It's amazing how some professing 'love and light' can turn like a hungry pack onto Obama and encourage dark thoughts to be sent his way....

I have been pro-Obama before he was even elected as the Democrat leader....it started when I was watching something or other on the telly about US politics and
they showed Obama speaking at a rally. I suddenly felt a strong rush of what I believe to be Kundalini energy...it was coming in waves...tears filled my eyes and I
thought to myself.....bloody hell he's going to be the next president.

I think that the kundalini web of enery links us all in differing degrees...but sometimes it gets a real blast, when many people are tuning in to something positive at
the same time. I believe Obama to be a positive catalyst. Unfortunately his political enemies are also aware of this, I think...and seek to weaken the positive power
he has the potential to harness.

Luke
25th June 2010, 10:09
A Question for ye all: What do you know about political system you live in?
Is your President some kind of god-being or he breathes, eats, have desires like everyone else?
Does he make everything single handedly or he depends on information and data received from other people? How much of the data he receives is close to truth?
What President should be concerned with?
What are his goals as a (hu)man? What are his goals as President? Does those goals support each other or not?
Does he have any idea what is he doing? Maybe he just parrots anything PR Spin Doctors dictate, and hopes nothing big will happen on his watch? Or maybe he's proficient in art of Political Aikido ?
Is power he thinks he wields is an End to itself or a medium to pursue some higher goals?
On which level of pyramid he percieves himself to be?
And last but not least: how does his actions shape the energy? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3095-Society-Patterns)

SkepticSoul
25th June 2010, 12:11
This is all utterly bull****!
Not long ago some JUDGE declared the law to stop temporary drilling at golf site that OBAMA has put up to NOT VALID ANYMORE due to law-suits from OIL companies where the JUDGE HIMSELF has FREAKIN ASSETS in those companies Motha*****

How the hell does this judge DARE to do this? wtf is his problem?

Majorion
25th June 2010, 12:21
I'm not sure how much more stern he could possibly be? If he tries to steamroll BP, he'll be accused of hassling a poor, helpless corporation (Rand Paul would probably say such a thing) and if he doesn't go too far, Joe Sixpack will continue to drag out the birth certificate/Barry Sotero thing until the man leaves office.
All valid points HJ, but I didn't say that Obama failed to deal with the problem itself or BP, just in my opinion he is not doing well on a personal level, at least those suffering near the coast don't seem to think so. Have to admit if this were still the Bush era mostly likely nothing would be done at all. I'm just saying the guy needs to show some teeth, this was probably the biggest character-test for him so far. There are many anti-Obama people here and I don't consider myself one, just for the record, I believe he is legitimately President of the United States. I also believe he and almost every other President were helped by powerful people behind the scenes in getting to those positions, but legitimately-elected; nevertheless.

Humble Janitor
25th June 2010, 20:09
All valid points HJ, but I didn't say that Obama failed to deal with the problem itself or BP, just in my opinion he is not doing well on a personal level, at least those suffering near the coast don't seem to think so. Have to admit if this were still the Bush era mostly likely nothing would be done at all. I'm just saying the guy needs to show some teeth, this was probably the biggest character-test for him so far. There are many anti-Obama people here and I don't consider myself one, just for the record, I believe he is legitimately President of the United States. I also believe he and almost every other President were helped by powerful people behind the scenes in getting to those positions, but legitimately-elected; nevertheless.

You're right about the Bush thing. Still, it's fun to watch people rail on the guy and then offer nothing more of substance to back up their rants. They're being riled up by Rush, Glenn and all of the talking puppets. Basically, this is what the Rockefellers and Rothschilds want. They want us to continue to argue back and forth on our politicians so they can continue their massive looting spree.

MargueriteBee
25th June 2010, 22:46
http://www.twawki.com/?p=6768

Obama to make $85 million from BP disaster?

“Goldman Sachs wasn’t alone either in its astute “foreknowledge” of the collapse of BP’s stock value due to the Gulf disaster as BP’s own chief executive, Tony Hayward, sold about one-third of his shares weeks before this catastrophe began unfolding too.

But according to this FSB report the largest seller of BP stock in the weeks before this disaster occurred was the American investment company known as Vanguard who through two of their financial arms (Vanguard Windsor II Investor and Vanguard Windsor Investor) unloaded over 1.5 million shares of BP stock saving their investors hundreds of millions of dollars, chief among them President Obama.

For though little known by the American people, their President Obama holds all of his wealth in just two Vanguard funds, Vanguard 500 Index Fund where he has 3 accounts and the Vanguard FTSE Social Index Fund where he holds another 3 accounts, all six of which the FSB estimates will earn Obama nearly $8.5 million a year and which over 10 years will equal the staggering sum of $85 million.

The FSB further estimates in this report that through Obama’s 3 accounts in the Vanguard 500 Index Fund he stands to make another $100 million over the next 10 years as their largest stock holding is in the energy giant Exxon Mobil they believe will eventually acquire BP and all of their assets for what will be essentially a “rock bottom” price and which very predictably BP has hired Goldman Sachs to advise them on.

Important to note is that none of this wealth Obama, Goldman Sachs, and other American elites is acquiring would be possible without this disaster, all of whom, as the evidence shows, “somehow” knew what was going to happen before it actually did, including the US energy giant Halliburton who 2 weeks prior to this disaster just happened to purchase the World’s largest oil disaster service company Boots & Coots”. Read more about Climategate and why the left has lied to the populace.

unplugged
25th June 2010, 23:23
http://www.twawki.com/?p=6768

Obama to make $85 million from BP disaster?

But according to this FSB report the largest seller of BP stock in the weeks before this disaster occurred was the American investment company known as Vanguard who through two of their financial arms (Vanguard Windsor II Investor and Vanguard Windsor Investor) unloaded over 1.5 million shares of BP stock saving their investors hundreds of millions of dollars, chief among them President Obama.

While this certainly looks bad on the surface, if Obama is like most investors in equity funds he probably doesn't even know everything that's held in the portfolio. The comparison to Haywood is not identical -- not even similar. Haywood unloaded actual BP stock held in his personal account accrued from his executive position in the company. Haywood is far more likely than Obama to be guilty of INSIDER TRADING IF, indeed, the Gulf Oil Disaster (GOD) was a planned event.

Now if information comes forth that shows Obama loading up on Vanguard assets in the Energy sector around the same time that Haywood unloaded his shares AND Vanguard ditched BP then, and only then, can he be seen to have profited from insider information and equivalently tainted.

Tango
26th June 2010, 03:19
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OBAMA'S CLOAK OF "SECRECY" COMING UNRAVELED - Is Barack An Illegal President?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oLIUT16ko0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oLIUT16ko0&feature=related

Trooly,


Tango


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Humble Janitor
26th June 2010, 08:13
I still fail to see the point of this witch hunt.

Lost Soul
26th June 2010, 15:29
ok, so to play the devil's advocate...

what is wrong with helping people get back to a healthy lifestyle... everyone is always saying they need to do it... but always seem to never get around to doing it... (like all those New Year's resolutions we all hear about but never see the results of...)

maybe some of the sheeples need an extra push in the right direction???

What's wrong? It's called free choice. Should .gov decide for you and should we march one step closer to a nanny state?

Steven
26th June 2010, 16:42
9/11, the occupation of Irak and Afghanistan, the banking rescue, the false flue pandemic, the oil spill and now this, looks like agenda 21 is on its way. We can look into details and analyze the situation from a microscope point of view, but never loose the big picture from your sight. Because it is there that you can see where we are heading. Obama is sadly a puppet without any power. He's only following his master rules. Never forget what Nikolai Gorbatchev said; the New World Order will fully manifest from an environmental crisis. When the human race will be exhausted from so much badly leadership management, the masters will show up and bring all the solutions. Thanks for the info Grizzom.

Namaste, Steven

xbusymom
27th June 2010, 05:53
What's wrong? It's called free choice. Should .gov decide for you and should we march one step closer to a nanny state?

that was my point... sorry I forgot that sarcasism doesn't come through the written word very well

xbusymom
27th June 2010, 06:36
... the masters will show up and bring all the solutions.
Namaste, Steven

yes it does seem that TPTB have the solutions... especially when we lab rats are running the program they designed.

I guess our real power comes from introducing a variable they did not put into their equasion...

if we deviate from the script... we may be able to start writing our own screenplays, then TPTB would be forced to ad-lib- and I really don't think they know how to do that-

THAT is their downfall...

the question now becomes "What would be the most effective action/thought to mess up the prescribed simulation?" I have had the feeling for the last 6 months or so that Obama is doing just that- messing up the orders from the masters- I mean- look at how blatent the reversals of the actions are from the promises of the campaign- It is almost a direct copy of what I have to deal with daily with my youngest son (who has O.D.D- oppositional defiant disorder)... No matter what I try to do to get my son to comply with a directive/instructions - he ALWAYS does the opposite- even when he can see that it would NOT beneift him to be stubborn in a given situation...

it seems as if Obama is silently saying "ok-sirs, I will do what you say in a way that will make your orders backfire on you"

it comes in many labels - civil disobediance, stubbornness, non-compliance, passive-aggressiveness,

(just thinking out loud)??? anybody else have the same thoughts running through their head?

Tango
28th June 2010, 01:07
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I still fail to see the point of this witch hunt.

L00K HJ... I know you don't have a mortgage... Don't, PAY Real Estate taxes

where it shows value on your investment... But, if you did you would understand, I would do it, again...

I took an Oath... AND, I mean to keep that oath..... I Fought For You


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTb6qdPu8JE

Trooly,


Tango

.

Tango
28th June 2010, 02:22
.


Or, maybe you want to hear it from someone else...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1P8tTf-GXM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1P8tTf-GXM&feature=related


Trooly,


Tango :eyebrows:

.

Redtailhawk
28th June 2010, 02:46
I don't see the "point" as being a "witch hunt". I think the POINT is if Soetoro is using a dead man's social security number, and has falsified documents to "trick" the American voter, than that is a HUGE problem as it means we have a FRAUD and a Con-Man as president who is committing illegal acts by signing legislation in to law. I think we all deserve to know who the man really is, we demand answers. This is not a party line issue, it is a constitutional one and beyond that, a question of ethics, values and morals. What a joke Soetoro has turned out to be with his "change", "hope" and "transparency". He never fooled me though, I saw through his BS, MIND CONTROL all along.

Goldenserenity
30th June 2010, 02:24
Interesting! Well, while looking for more information on this subject, I came across this website with some very interesting information...at least to me it's quite interesting!

Hopefully this link doesn't take this thread too far off topic! I apologize if it does!! :peep:

http://freemantv.whynotnews.eu/tag/akhenaten/

But from searching and looking at the then and now pictures, there is a very big resemblance
and worth more researching which is what I have been doing when I came across this link I am sharing. Seems too good to not share.

HORIZONS
30th June 2010, 03:08
Next we will have the Army cloned and we can go right into the clone wars :eek: sorry, I couldn't resist. :drum: Where is my light saber? :laser:

3optic
30th June 2010, 05:46
This is mischief of the highest order and utter nonsense. Don't waste your time with these wonderments. The key now is to rally and support your family and friends with good informtion regarding good spiritual practice and survival skills. Don't waste psychic energy fighting things that aren't there and set to distract us. I like 'Freeman' but he does have his 'games'.

Love

K

Wholly agree. I think even Freeman would file this under "creative play." Fun but irrelevant information. Your comment on the "key" also seems spot on to me. Great post.

Lost Soul
30th June 2010, 06:30
If Obama is a clone then...

He HAS to be a clone of G.W. Bush, because it's all the same policies, just a different face.

Fred

No, Bush on Steroids. He makes Bush seem like a spendthrift.

Tuza
30th June 2010, 06:50
If Obama is a clone then...

He HAS to be a clone of G.W. Bush, because it's all the same policies, just a different face.

Fred

If that's the case we're all in big doggy do, although I have much more respect for doggy do.

blue777
30th June 2010, 07:44
... and is Obama the only clone who wandered around in the White House ...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=130

Whoops...:alien:

If the is cloned , where does his soul come from...is he the same person in reality...just a thought
regards blue

scanner
30th June 2010, 08:12
It matters not if they are clones or not, what matters is their policies are still the same and moving ahead thank you very much . K626 is spot on ,don't waste you energy on such items keep focused on what does matter .I like Freeman myself because he's such a good orator and seem to be able to predict some future events .

blue777
30th June 2010, 09:22
It matters not if they are clones or not, what matters is their policies are still the same and moving ahead thank you very much . K626 is spot on ,don't waste you energy on such items keep focused on what does matter .I like Freeman myself because he's such a good orator and seem to be able to predict some future events .

of course it matters how long has this been going on , decades, thousands of years etc......there is a lot data to get through...if they are cloned where did their souls come from?
regards
blue

Swanny
30th June 2010, 09:31
Yea you can clone a body but not the soul

blue777
30th June 2010, 09:36
Yea you can clone a body but not the soul
Hello Swanny,
therefore where does their souls come from?
regards blue

Swanny
30th June 2010, 09:47
Hi Blue
The same place we came from I guess..


It does look very much to me that they are cloning bodies though. Doesn't matter what soul goes in to Obamas body as they will control it anyway

blue777
30th June 2010, 09:57
Hi Blue
The same place we came from I guess..


It does look very much to me that they are cloning bodies though. Doesn't matter what soul goes in to Obamas body as they will control it anyway

hi Swanny
It would matter a lot if the soul was negative....and how long has this cloning been going on for?...can we find cloned people in past history?
lol
blue

ascendingstarseed
30th June 2010, 10:43
I'm with Swanny and Blue...yes he would be under his "makers" control and does he have a soul, if so where does it come from? Is it inherently good or bad?

I just stumbled upon Freemans "Obama is a clone" theory last week and admittedly it's had me pondering the possibility, as well as the ramifications. Not only does Freeman show the familial resemblance, but allegedly the Secret Service's nickname's for the Obama family play into it as well.

There are also interesting allegations that Obama's designed his the stage for his acceptance speech after the Temple of Zues, along with several other strange occurrance's that escape my memory at the moment...

Makes ya go....hmmmm? :der:

Elandiel BernElve
30th June 2010, 13:50
Hey guys:)

This idea isn't that far fetched... cloning to keep a lineage of traditional worldleaders going or to have someone in control that does what you and your agenda wants.

I think a lot of people don't take this serious because it's just too scary and occult.
That doesn't mean it can't be done.

In different masonry factions a lot of strange rituals are performed in secret at the same time as the presidential inauguration for example.

To resurrect the soul of ancestral godlike beings, like osiris or who-ever they worship.

So there's your answer to how he can have a soul in a cloned body.
By occult rituals who summon an ancient overlord soul in a cloned body.

BUT, maybe you don't even need a soulless soul for that. Watch the movie Immortals where the ancient Egyptian halfgod just occasionnally takes control over Nikolai whose soulcontrol then gets disabled/freezed.


Personally I don't know what to think, the masonry and secret society factions are tightly locked in the upper regions. I don't know exaclty what's going on there, why and how.
I don't think Obama is a clone, but I don't know.
One thing I've learned these years is that nothing is impossible:) but be very careful with what you believe

xbusymom
1st July 2010, 04:51
got this in an email today... it doesnt address the oil spill, but does show the mindset that Obama has...

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THIS GUY IS YOUR "COMMANDER IN CHIEF"

Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require veterans carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540 million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries to military personnel received during their tours on active duty. The President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the opposition to his proposal.




"Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained. "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It doesn't compute.." "I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country, "Obama continued "I wasn't asking for blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."


Please pass this on to every one including every vet and their families whom you know. How in the world did a person with this mindset become our leader?

REMEMBER THIS STATEMENT... "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice?"



If he thinks he will ever get another vote from an Active Duty, Reserve, National Guard service member or veteran of a military service he ought to think it over. If you or a family member is or has served their country please pass this to them.

Please pass this to everyone.
I'm guessing that other than the 20-25 percent hardcore liberals in the US most will agree that this is just another example why this is the worst president in American history. Remind everyone over and over how this man thinks, while he bows to the Saudi Arabian king.

---------------

I think your are right, cloud9... the problem is that it would take a substantial crowd to boycott something and make a 'show of force', and if the majority of people (who are asleep and controlled) dont see a need for 'getting mighty' where does that leave the random few (that will be rounded up and dealt with)?

I don't know what it would take to make people wake up to the absolute absurdity of Obama's agenda, but I think we are fast approaching that time, so just maintain patience and peace; and be prepared for anything...

I think the reason why most people wont stand up, is because they are NOT awake, they are NOT prepared for the consequenses - they DONT have any means or methods of generating a way to survive if that consequense is a 'cutoff' of income, rent, food, etc.

Kra
1st July 2010, 10:14
http://digg.com/d31V5sU

PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH
1st July 2010, 13:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ4Y90EqYco

obama is looking more and more like the illuminati puppet that he is. throwing 2 million americans into the dustbin(genocide), whilst at the same time allowing the banks to exponentially increase their derivative trading and following his bp masters bidding in the GOM. His appointment of general betrayus no doubt planned, is perfect now for obama to be ousted by a military coop in the united states.(obama will pretend to the people he didnt see it coming). Even hoagland isnt blinded by this man anymore, the writting is on the wall ofr all to see now. Actions speak louder than words and obama's actions speak!

Redtailhawk
1st July 2010, 15:35
I couldn't agree with you more Merkabah! I watch Soretoro with amazement sometimes on what a profound actor he is. Have you ever noticed all the multiple personalities and inflections of speech depending on the crowd he is addressing? It is really troublesome for me to watch as there are still folks out there falling for his rhetoric.

My wake up call regarding Barry was in watching his speech in Germany with the hoards of people that showed up (purportedly they were giving away free beer). In any event I was snowed by Barry too up until the point when he mentioned he is a "citizen of the world". On the surface that is a cool concept, but I took his inference as being a "citizen of the world", to mean something more sinister. I remember when I heard that speech I was covered with chills and I had a complete transformation in my perceptions of him. I knew in that moment he was working for the dark side.

Humble Janitor
1st July 2010, 20:45
I don't think Obama even said that stuff quoted in the email. Gotta love gullible people who pass along stupid, questionable chain emails and then bow their heads in belief.

What I want to know is, what do people expect to gain by trashing one man? People didn't gain much from trashing the president before him. Let's forget about the president and focus on what people can do to steer this country.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" - John F. Kennedy

Grizzom
4th July 2010, 01:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4xId9huOJ0&feature=player_embedded


VIDEO: Disclosure Project gives Obama until summer 2010 to disclose extraterrestrial life or they are going to do it with another country. Steven Greer says a G8 country is onboard. :p

Free Press International.com (http://freepressinternational.com/2010/07/video-disclosure-project-gives-obama-until-summer-2010-to-disclose-extraterrestrial-life/)












http://i45.tinypic.com/1z5ur6w.jpg

"Keep dreaming Steven, it'll never happen on Obama's watch"

tone3jaguar
4th July 2010, 03:06
That is pretty old, he tries very hard. I will give him that. There is only so much one person can do.

watchZEITGEISTnow
4th July 2010, 03:08
The more and more i hear of "Greer's Disclosure" the more I believe it is a Rockefeller sponsored dis info campaign.

Lets all turn our attention AWAY from anything to do with it...

Lets all ask ETs come without any "organization". Lets hope they just all show up, where and whenever they feel we are open to real contact.

I must say the 'fees' Greer charges are a massive red flag - almost as massive as his ego... Greer should just go away...

PathWalker
4th July 2010, 09:06
The approaching disclosure promoted by Steven Greet is also very much in line with information coming from Kerry Cassidi , David Wilcock and Ben Fulford.
It is part of the crumbling power control and probably will commence with the total global economic collapse (expected this summer) as a diversion and a precursor to project blue beam.
Project blue beam is a false flag, staged hostile alien take over Earth. While the power at be provide a solution that take total control of the world population.

SkepticSoul
4th July 2010, 09:41
WTF??

do you guys even want disclosure to happen? This guy gives ALOT of his energy in to his work! And by energy i mean alot of time, effort AND MONEY. He has build a private company that deals with the disclosure project and he is NOT the only one working in there u dig.

Why keep attention away from him? He is trying to help mankind wake the *** up

Bill Ryan
4th July 2010, 10:36
---------------

The problem here is that Steven Greer (in his July 2009 Barcelona presentation, referenced by Grizzom - I was in the audience) makes three statements that are absolutely not true:


There are no ETs which are not benevolent.
All abductions are MILABS (US military projects, with the ETs set-up to take the rap).
The US government currently has no ongoing relationship with any ET race.

Furthermore, the Disclosure Project has disclosed nothing for many years - in the areas of ET/UFO reality, or (as The Orion Project) Free Energy.

The unfulfilled promises from the May 2001 Washington Press Conference were among the factors that spurred Kerry Cassidy and I to start Project Camelot as a grass-roots, guerrilla counterpart to the Disclosure Project that would not be hindered by red tape or protocol - or anything else.

I'll stop short here of saying anything more publicly, but many people (including a number of respected researchers with whom I've talked privately) share these serious concerns.

Etherios
4th July 2010, 11:08
---------------

The problem here is that Steven Greer (in his July 2009 Barcelona presentation, referenced by Grizzom - I was in the audience) makes three statements that are absolutely not true:


There are no ETs which are not benevolent.
All abductions are MILABS (US military projects, with the ETs set-up to take the rap).
The US government currently has no ongoing relationship with any ET race.

Furthermore, the Disclosure Project has disclosed nothing for many years - in the areas of ET/UFO reality, or (as The Orion Project) Free Energy.

The unfulfilled promises from the May 2001 Washington Press Conference were among the factors that spurred Kerry Cassidy and I to start Project Camelot as a grass-roots, guerrilla counterpart to the Disclosure Project that would not be hindered by red tape or protocol - or anything else.

I'll stop short here of saying anything more publicly, but many people (including a number of respected researchers with whom I've talked privately) share these serious concerns.


I totally agree with you bill. Its so acording to the rules that is not logical. ETs are not according to the rules, are not "logical". I keep hearing Dr.Greer about the energy and he keeps saying we need ppl to step up and help us bring free energy out. There are a ton of video about free energy and if he has so many great scientist then he should had come up with a million of new devices so far ... Even if they are patented for others they could make a press conference and show the ppl the results of their research and if they get law suits then the energy will be exposed. I dont know much about the ET part of this but Free Energy wise i really think they are stalling and just give false hope to ppl. For technologies that are discovered 20-30 years ago even more you dont need 2-3 years to make working prototypes. I have no proof of this but i really smell something wrong with the hole project of Dr.Greer.


Here - Dr.Greer doesnt have to make a workable device ... expose that the technology exist to make it and then they cant hide it anymore.

a-O7WNvKSvY&feature

there are alot more you can find about ppl trying to make their discoveries public for years...

jimmer
4th July 2010, 21:05
as a fresher on how all the concern started, here's a link to watch a 4 part video laying it all out with documentation, authority and believability.
the corrupted media has demonized all who questions BHO's legal eligibility and it's worked for the most part --
politicians run for cover when the subject is presented, again and again.
but those who can not be hurt by the media need to continue to pursue this real, well documented
abomination of a U.S. president and the real the damage that is being done to the U.S. economy, future and constitution.

http://media.abovetopsecret.com/media/3657/Barack_Obama_A_Question_Of_Eligibility/

Snowbird
4th July 2010, 23:07
The office of the President of the United States, is and has been filled with nothing short of shady characters. I voted for Obama because I could not bring myself to vote for McCain and Palin.

Having said that, I now concede that the person residing in the White House is not the person that we were led to believe. And, having said that, now that 41, 42 and 43 are being supported in retirement by the American taxpayers, the information coming forth about them is so plentiful and horrific and downright scary, that Obama's place of birth, pales by comparison. If true, yes, the Constitution has been violated, if we have a Constitution left to be violated.

If true? He should step down. However, don't bet on it.

1984
4th July 2010, 23:40
The Disclosure Project seems like a well intentioned program, I know from my personal experiences how excited I became after the first time I watched the witness testimonies, the Press Club, and other Disclosure Project/Greer related information. I don't want to jump on the anti-Greer train but over time it all seems like empty promises, and coupled with the bizarre claims regarding benevolent ET's and a few others claims I'm starting to lose faith in The Disclosure Project.

Also, why does it matter if Obama isn't onboard with disclosure? Why does it have to be the US who makes the announcement first? I imagine disclosure via the government would create more problems than just fear and panic amongst the public, it would open up more questions on what else the government has been lying about and keeping secret for decades. It's been too easy for them to dismiss any public concerns and questions by filing it away under "National Security" as they would have to answer the question of what was in it for them to keep it a secret for so long. It would probably be more trouble than it's worth for them, from an aggrandizing point of view that is.

Moemers
5th July 2010, 00:02
---------------

The problem here is that Steven Greer (in his July 2009 Barcelona presentation, referenced by Grizzom - I was in the audience) makes three statements that are absolutely not true:


There are no ETs which are not benevolent.
All abductions are MILABS (US military projects, with the ETs set-up to take the rap).
The US government currently has no ongoing relationship with any ET race.

Furthermore, the Disclosure Project has disclosed nothing for many years - in the areas of ET/UFO reality, or (as The Orion Project) Free Energy.

The unfulfilled promises from the May 2001 Washington Press Conference were among the factors that spurred Kerry Cassidy and I to start Project Camelot as a grass-roots, guerrilla counterpart to the Disclosure Project that would not be hindered by red tape or protocol - or anything else.

I'll stop short here of saying anything more publicly, but many people (including a number of respected researchers with whom I've talked privately) share these serious concerns.

Curiously, these are the same 3 concerns I had when I originally watched the debate with Greer on PC.

Although, I have to say that there's something about this guy's passion that really inspires me...

SPIRIT WOLF
5th July 2010, 00:23
---------------

The problem here is that Steven Greer (in his July 2009 Barcelona presentation, referenced by Grizzom - I was in the audience) makes three statements that are absolutely not true:


There are no ETs which are not benevolent.
All abductions are MILABS (US military projects, with the ETs set-up to take the rap).
The US government currently has no ongoing relationship with any ET race.

Furthermore, the Disclosure Project has disclosed nothing for many years - in the areas of ET/UFO reality, or (as The Orion Project) Free Energy.

The unfulfilled promises from the May 2001 Washington Press Conference were among the factors that spurred Kerry Cassidy and I to start Project Camelot as a grass-roots, guerrilla counterpart to the Disclosure Project that would not be hindered by red tape or protocol - or anything else.

I'll stop short here of saying anything more publicly, but many people (including a number of respected researchers with whom I've talked privately) share these serious concerns.

We cannot say for sure where exactly Dr Greer obtained the information re those 3 points. How many of his witnesses have you spoken with Bill? I ask this because many give evidence of ET benign actions and direct linkage with US authorities.

Bill Ryan
5th July 2010, 00:32
Yea you can clone a body but not the soul

Actually, a soul can be cloned... but only by the original soul (making a copy of itself for some specific purpose).

To picture this, imagine a discarnate analog to the very funny movie MULTIPLICITY.

It's like creating a copied soul fragment of oneself (this is a VERY rough analogy, and not really accurate). After the purpose of the exercise has been achieved, one should re-integrate the two 'fragments' to return everything to the way it was.

But we haven't always taken responsibility for these incompletions, stuff happens and gets in the way, and most of us still have clones out there, somewhere. We get significant benefit if we can 'call them in' and re-integrate them with us again... or set them fully free.

There are processes to do this which are fairly simple: but one has to be in quite good shape first, able to get in touch with the 'clones' telepathically.

This all sounds pretty crazy, but is totally real. I've experienced and done this myself many times.

In traditional disciplines, the shamans will know all about this, and will have their own terminology and conceptual structure. But it will be the same principle.

Again, this explanation above is a very loose analogy. The key is to remember that we as spiritual beings are the theoretical creators of anything we want... including spirit itself (so to speak).

And we've all been around for a very long time, and have got ourselves mixed up in all kinds of things way back then.

We can also create smaller beings (which a good friend of mine likes to call 'sparkles of consciousness') - and, as above, if we forget we've done this, or have done it unconsciously (which happens all the time), we can end up a little weighed down by all this 'unfinished business'.

The above is for interest only... nothing to do with body cloning at all. Swanny's remark just caught my attention. :)

(Apologies for the off-topic post!)

Moemers
5th July 2010, 00:35
We cannot say for sure where exactly Dr Greer obtained the information re those 3 points. How many of his witnesses have you spoken with Bill? I ask this because many give evidence of ET benign actions and direct linkage with US authorities.

But to say that they're ALL this way or that way is disingenuous and, I think, dangerous.

unplugged
5th July 2010, 03:01
I've spent quite a bit of time listening to Freeman's thesis on Obama. What Freeman doesn't address is why the PTB would pick to clone the ONLY Egyptian pharaoh who quit the capital, created his own capital at Amarna, angered the priest cast (VERY POWERFUL AND CONTROLLING AT THE TIME), created a new religion that acknowledged the One Creator, and was more than likely murdered when his new views simply didn't catch on with the people who were not interested in that much radical "change."

An argument could be made that this Obama certainly started out sounding a lot like Akhenaton in his "change" motif leading up the winning the American presidency. However, his actions since assuming the Presidency are in no way comparable to that of Akhenaton's in that he has operationalized the Hidden Hand agenda with ZERO change in the status quo. If he is, in fact, a clone of Akhenaton, the original must be disgusted in the extreme at the pliable nature of this being and his refusal to do anything whatsoever that could possibly be considered "change."

tone3jaguar
5th July 2010, 03:43
All I can tell you guys is that I have used the contact protocols that I learned when I did a one day outing with Greer with other people when Greer is not around. When we have done them the laser/radar detectors we have got around start going off like there are 20 cop cars all around us checking if we are speeding or something for extended time frames. Then things show up in pictures taken during this time like bright orbs in the night sky an what not.

So what every you agree or disagree with him about I don't really care. The contact stuff he teaches flat out works. Last time I did it, I had a scientist who works on the prototypes for the evacuated transport mag lev trains with me. He was skeptical until the detectors started going off on different band independent of each other. I am great full that Greer sticks his neck out to teach people how to do this. You can deem it all bull **** all you want. If you never try it you are just talking out of your asses.

Lost Soul
5th July 2010, 03:50
Genes. They do get handed down.

Humble Janitor
5th July 2010, 03:54
My advice? GO FOR IT!

Don't wait for Obama. It may NEVER come about with him.

I would not mind if China or Russia stepped up. I have no problem with letting someone else take the spotlight if the U.S government won't!

shiva777
5th July 2010, 03:58
don't expect much from Obama...isn't that obvious by now?

3(C)+me
5th July 2010, 04:50
If Obama disclouses and the aliens present themselves it is a BIG FAT RED FLAG FOR ME. The government is going to twist it to fit THEIR NEEDS NOT YOURS.
Friendly aliens are not going to show up and shock people because that will breed fear and chaos, friendly don't do that. But the negatives do......
Greers ego is a turn off big time and he does drop names alot. I don't trust the man.

Paradox
5th July 2010, 07:34
The Obama cloning topic is extremely interesting as not quite as mad as it first seems. You have to take a look at the larger picture and take into account such things as what Obama's name means 'lightning from heaven', the fact that there is no record of his birth, social security numbers that don't add up and not only the likeness of Obama to Akhenaten but the who family has a obvious resemblance to the Akhenaten family too! What are the odds of that?

Also note of the code names given to the Obama family by the secret service and you begin to see that there is something very strange and coincidental going on. I personally think there's a lot more to this seemingly outlandish story than first meets the eye.

Go check it out for yourself!

Elandiel BernElve
5th July 2010, 08:24
The Obama cloning topic is extremely interesting as not quite as mad as it first seems. You have to take a look at the larger picture and take into account such things as what Obama's name means 'lightning from heaven', the fact that there is no record of his birth, social security numbers that don't add up and not only the likeness of Obama to Akhenaten but the who family has a obvious resemblance to the Akhenaten family too! What are the odds of that?

Also note of the code names given to the Obama family by the secret service and you begin to see that there is something very strange and coincidental going on. I personally think there's a lot more to this seemingly outlandish story than first meets the eye.

Go check it out for yourself!

Could you give us a lead to where we could check it out? Thanks:)

Elandiel BernElve
5th July 2010, 08:41
Whether you like Greer or not. He has been a pioneer in the whole disclosure community and he has brought the subject of exopolitics to a lot of people.
People may think that he is a mis-info agent, yet all this (mis-?)info drew a lot of attention to the subject. A subject in great need of attention.

So either way he did help bringing the subject of exopolitics and free energy to light.

Personnaly I think he's just over fanatic, he wants to do the right thing so badly he got blinded from reality.
The man should tone down a little, say less things that are more useful instead of talking and yelling emptiness for hours .
He's like an innocent child, but he'll get there:)

give him a chance

Etherios
5th July 2010, 08:55
What are you guys talk about? He hasnt updated his site for almost 2 months now. The radio shows he does just say the same stuff over and over. Free Energy didnt make 1 step forward since he started. NOTHING HAPPENED.

There are ppl that are trying to make their techs public and DR. Greers groups just dont give a damn about them. His aproach is too legal, too accordings to the TPTB rules that nothing happens. With the news power he has he could had made HUGE tech announcements. The free energy plans are out there.. the youtube videos are out there.... the lectures are out there but no he wants something made from the start o.O.

He just have to show the public that free energy is possible and not outside the science we have simple as that. Make this public in a press conference... show one prototype like there are a ton in the youtube and start this. Once he destroys the current science laws that stop ppl from going further then its over for TPTB. Just too many ppl with try it and they wont be able to contain it.

Then again we all have to believe he goes against these ppl and they just let him do as he pleases right? Too many words and no result ... nothing. Really tell me 1 result since the start of this exopolitics.

Operator
5th July 2010, 09:54
Then again we all have to believe he goes against these ppl and they just let him do as he pleases right? Too many words and no result ... nothing. Really tell me 1 result since the start of this exopolitics.

Sometimes it makes you wonder ... do they create 'front men' or fake/false leaders so people are watching/waiting for the leader and stop taking action themselves ?
The 'front men' even may not be aware of it themselves. There organizations will just be infiltrated and hijacked to serve this purpose ... A good reason why 'they' don't seem to interfere.

Bill Ryan
5th July 2010, 09:57
Sometimes it makes you wonder ... do they create 'front men' or fake/false leaders so people are watching/waiting for the leader and stop taking action themselves ?
The 'front men' even may not be aware of it themselves. There organizations will just be infiltrated and hijacked to serve this purpose ... A good reason why 'they' don't seem to interfere.

I think this may be a good summary... in some cases.

Not all alternative leaders are taken over - but some undoubtedly are: and some without even realizing it.

To be taken over doesn't necessarily mean that there's a reptilian walk-in: sometimes it just means that an organization has a trusted source that is bogus - and again, maybe that source doesn't even realize it. But the whole thing is (certainly in some cases) controlled like a puppet theater.

You don't need to control the people if you control the information. In the last 3-4 years I feel I've come to understand this better and better. At the moment, I really do think there's such a lot of nonsense - relayed by GOOD PEOPLE - about the Gulf situation, that at least some of the real problems are being obscured.

A minor problem (maybe a major one!) I've been looking at this morning is the Jeff Rense inteview with Lindsey Williams on 1 July.

In that interview. Lindsey, who is unquestionably a dear sincere man, reports that a new senior source - who came to him (do note) - told him that there were cracks in the granite which is under the sand and which encases the reservoir.

This is simply not true. There is no granite there: oil does not form in granite (whether biotic or abiotic). Transocean did not 'drill through granite' to get to the reservoir. I've seen the geological surveys.

This may not matter much, but it's an interesting little case study. And member and visitors reading this will know full-well the amount of nonsense that pervades the UFO community - masking and obfuscating a serious and real subject.

The same with many spiritual issues. The alternative community is awash with well-meaning people relaying inaccurate information... and (to go full-circle here) a good reason why 'they' don't seem to interfere, exactly as pointed out by Operator.

Etherios
5th July 2010, 11:05
Bill do you watch The Visitors lately? The ETs tactics are excatly as you said... they dont ever play head on always twist our good will and take advantage of us .... makes you wonder what they want to pass to the ppl with this new V series... for example i have seen 3-4 weird hand "greetings" and not to say the Dawn of a new day announcements everywhere. It really makes me wonder ...

Elandiel BernElve
5th July 2010, 11:30
Bill do you watch The Visitors lately? The ETs tactics are excatly as you said... they dont ever play head on always twist our good will and take advantage of us .... makes you wonder what they want to pass to the ppl with this new V series... for example i have seen 3-4 weird hand "greetings" and not to say the Dawn of a new day announcements everywhere. It really makes me wonder ...

Spot on, I´ve been watching the new series since the beginning. Somehow the subject, the timing of the show, and even the methods of the V´s rise a lot of questions.
Is it a coincidence or does someone somewhere at the producing backoffice wants us say something with this new V series at this particular moment in time.

Once again the V series can be interpreted in two ways, as a tool of awakening people(we are being manipulated so wake up!), or as an instrument of fear (aliens will always be malevolent)

which one is it.. ?

777
5th July 2010, 11:37
If this guy wants to disclose ET life through the likes of Obama (or most the western governments for that matter) I would seriously question his motives, the legitimacy of the information given to him and the source/benevolence of said ET source.

I don't like the way "another G8 country" MIGHT be involved. No thanks. That's turn off number two. For me that further invalidates all the above even further. This guy says this as though it gives credence to his form of disclosure because a powerfull capitalist nation might be interested. Doesn't that smell a little of ego-talk?

That said I'm fascinated by what tone3 has to say (again lol!). There's probably a lot of usefull practical information and techniques lost here in a myriad of confusion and dithering.

Etherios
5th July 2010, 11:39
Well it will show in the near future... how will the show evolve.... i would really worry if ETs capture Earth and then we try to take it back...

Btw dont you find it funny that the human armies never get a position in this series... its like they are not there. There is nothing, no response no action what so ever. We only see police!!! FBI!!! and newly made agencies to HELP the ETs... where is everyone else??

HURRITT ENYETO
5th July 2010, 13:11
I used to have the utmost respect for Steven Greer but after the initial Disclosure Project what happened? Ill tell you what happened ...NOTHING.
The change in Mr Greer cannot be denied by anyone.I wonder why?

Helvetic
5th July 2010, 13:41
If I may add my 2 cents here. First, don't expect disclosure from a western government. This will not happen.

You realy don't need laserpointers or other measuring instruments. The most important tool is your mind. I would like to share my personal contact protocol here.

meditation, selfhypnosis -> focusing consciousness to receiver, ask questions, have no fear -> practice on a regular basis.

"Thought is energy. It can be received on other worlds. There is no galactic barrier."

SPIRIT WOLF
5th July 2010, 13:57
Rightly or wrongly as a disclosure project witness I will continue to support Dr Greer, remaining loyal to the team of people he gathered together globally. We as witnesses wait it out, its just as frustrating for us as we seem to have been put on the back burner for 10 years. Yes he is a showman, has to be in order to get this across to people. He can name drop, if someone mixes with certain names whats wrong with saying so. I admit I am concerned over some of his comments re negative alien forms and that only the military perform abductions. But there is method in that madness. The MILAB topic has taken centre stage because more n more individuals are coming forward with testimony linked to these abductions and the staging technology behind it, man made craft and created beings, PLFs. You have to give the guy a chance.

Celine
5th July 2010, 14:14
hmm define... Chance, please...This is...monumental, don't you think? feel it?

Being Witness to disclosure is a demanding position but many of us are.

And...Living up to it, is not for everyone.

Some do it better then others.

Disclosure, is almost a thing of the past.

Sad melancholy, in a sense yet invigorating in another.

Much work still to be done, before rest comes.

Be well barry,
love,
celine

steve_a
5th July 2010, 16:44
Hi Everyone,

I think we need to listen very carefully to what Steven Greer said about what the document said given to him by some G8 government, "We wish to go on a long term journey together, make contact with these extra terestrial civilizations. Will you work with us?"

What does this tell us? If Greer claims to be already entering in contact with ET on his ranch, why is there a need to go on a long journey? If Greer gave Clinton 6 years from when he was in power, why hasn't he spilled the beans yet? Why was there a need to advertise the fact that he gave Obama one year? One year to do what? It isn't clear. Whatever it was, why not just wait until the one year is up and declare which government is willing to cooperate? Why is there a need for secrecy at the moment to divulge the "long journey". It's all too ambiguous for me. Get to the point Greer.

Once again there is this horrible deadline needing to be waited for. I really won't be holding my breath for the next six months to see what happens, as it appears that Greer is using other words to say nothing.

Best regards,

Steve

Operator
5th July 2010, 17:38
Why was there a need to advertise the fact that he gave Obama one year? One year to do what? It isn't clear.

Just buying some more extra time ... they can't get "their act" together in time ...

kcbc2010
5th July 2010, 18:00
My question is how is Obama going to disclose this in a manner which will make the people in the US/elsewhere believe him? A lot of people in the States don't believe anything that comes out of the guy's mouth. I mean, I turn off the television when the guy speaks because he's just full of empty words and promises - and a lot of his supporters feel the same way nowadays.

Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way; however, it seems to me that information like this should come from someone a bit more trustworthy and credible. I would want someone who would leave no doubt in my mind that ET's exist - especially the unbelievers. We all know the President can put on a good show and give a good speech, but he has no credibility w/a lot of people. That isn't a good place to start a "heart-to-heart" conversation about ETs. Granted, there probably isn't a good place to start the conversation, but is he the right person to tell the message to all of us?

Goldenserenity
5th July 2010, 18:05
Not to be or sound negative about this, but I don't believe he will ever disclose this kind of information. I think the subject of ET's coming from any government official is not likely to happen. I guess in time I will find out. :confused:

Peace of Mind
5th July 2010, 18:52
I’m just wondering if people really are ready for it. What do they really expect?
For instance, if Obama came out and said “Water bugs were running this galaxy” half of the populace will probably faint. They arguably have been around longer than any other species on this planet and can become immune and adapt to anything you throw at them…at times, even your shoe.

My point is, are we really ready to accept the unknown…even if it’s (what you were trained to believe) the most vile nastiest things?
A look into this answer is very telling…

Peace

Goldenserenity
5th July 2010, 18:56
I’m just wondering if people really are ready for it. What do they really expect?

Very true what you are saying Peace of Mind...it could throw some people into a hysteria and/or paranoid state. I think that is avoided at all costs by the government.

Etherios
5th July 2010, 19:24
Very true what you are saying Peace of Mind...it could throw some people into a hysteria and/or paranoid state. I think that is avoided at all costs by the government.

we will never be at a state where we have no hysteria and paranoia... the goverments are making dummer and dummer ppl. we are more and more stuck in religion and dogmas that we will never break free.

The grip of these things on human society can only be crushed with a huge shock ... nomatter how long we wait we will never be rdy cause they dont want us to get rdy, simple as that.

Goldenserenity
5th July 2010, 19:38
nomatter how long we wait we will never be rdy cause they dont want us to get rdy, simple as that.

I believe it's the US that keeps the people in the dark when it comes to news broadcasting. In other countries they do not sugar coat their news like they do here. It's almost like they think people cannot handle the truth, or maybe it's a form of control on their parts...who knows. I like to find the news source from other countries as they usually tell it like it is without all the sugar or the rose colored glasses.

rosie
5th July 2010, 20:08
http://i48.tinypic.com/sq13qs.jpg

My thoughts on disclosure, may not happen now, but it will.
love & light

3(C)+me
5th July 2010, 21:18
Bottom line. Obama will say something only if his handlers tell him to. They will do it if they think they will be able to get over and continue to run this world. That would be the only reason for the government to do it. Greer well, he thinks that if it happens it will be all good and we can now work with these lovely aliens the government has acknowledged and now we can all sing a lovely peace song and live in joy and happiness, Not! Who is he kidding. Maybe he is being played and does not know it. It is possible.

jimmer
5th July 2010, 21:28
now that we've had 18 months of obama, does anything seem wrong?
here's a video, released before the election, as a clarion call. it's entertaining and even funny, if it wasn't so serious.
take a look and see what you think is really going on with the U.S. economy, state relations,
our security efforts and general state of the union.
take away: elections can have forseeable consequences.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=Q4IrVrkU

SPIRIT WOLF
5th July 2010, 21:36
Hi Everyone,

I think we need to listen very carefully to what Steven Greer said about what the document said given to him by some G8 government, "We wish to go on a long term journey together, make contact with these extra terestrial civilizations. Will you work with us?"

What does this tell us? If Greer claims to be already entering in contact with ET on his ranch, why is there a need to go on a long journey? If Greer gave Clinton 6 years from when he was in power, why hasn't he spilled the beans yet? Why was there a need to advertise the fact that he gave Obama one year? One year to do what? It isn't clear. Whatever it was, why not just wait until the one year is up and declare which government is willing to cooperate? Why is there a need for secrecy at the moment to divulge the "long journey". It's all too ambiguous for me. Get to the point Greer.

Once again there is this horrible deadline needing to be waited for. I really won't be holding my breath for the next six months to see what happens, as it appears that Greer is using other words to say nothing.

Best regards,

Steve
You make good points Steve, I also do not understand the delays involved, getting out of second gear is required now

Snowbird
5th July 2010, 21:39
I think that we are all forgetting something here.

The people who "control" the subject of ETs, do not work for our government. They, are far more powerful than are those in our government. They, are those who have control over the hidden technologies. They also, don't want anyone spilling their secrets, including any President. They have very specific methods of bringing this to peoples' attention. This group includes the members of the oil industry. They will lose a lot of money once the technologies are released.

I am quite quite sure that Dr. Greer has been and continues to be "persuaded" by these. Obama does not want to rock any political boats nor will he stick out his neck for Steven Greer.

And of course, there are always the lawsuits hanging in the balance from the agreements that were made decades ago with the beings.

I very seriously doubt that disclosure will take place here in the U.S. What I believe will happen, is simply the decloaking of several groups of beings. The problem with this however, is that it will be extremely difficult to tell the difference between the real crafts and those of the shadow government.

Celine
5th July 2010, 21:41
careful of who whispers in your ear....

yiolas
5th July 2010, 22:18
Maybe this topic of cloning high level government officials deserves more research. I just ran into this article by Alcuin and Flutterby.

Who claim that the majority of government figureheads are soulless clones. Please read a small excerpt of their article:

In 2008, during the American presidential election campaign, US Senator Hillary Clinton's handlers began to get clumsy and she was seen in two different places at once on a number of separate occasions. And not just in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Someone sees Hillary Clinton at a function across town at, say, 1.30pm. And then, when they compare notes with a Democratic Party co-worker later that day, they learn that Hillary was also seen back at the hotel at 1.30pm, three miles away. And her clothes were different, or her hair was different, or her makeup was different, and the people with her were different. Or, after a speaking engagement, the car drives Hillary Clinton away to Location A, where she is seen to get out of the car at, say, 10.45pm. But a co-worker sees her at 11.00pm at Location B thirty or forty miles away, except that Hillary Clinton and the car have not left Location A. And they couldn't drive that fast anyway, and Hillary's clothing or appearance is different, and the people with her are different. And the next day, arriving for an early morning meeting somewhere, Hillary comes from Location B, not from Location A. Meanwhile, she is seen having a late breakfast at Location A with different people. And so on.

How many different Hillary Clinton's are there?.....

The use of human clones in American political management is only now becoming apparent. The last US President not to be cloned was John F. Kennedy. Usually, when a President or major American public figure ceases to be compliant to the demands of the controlling corporate elite, they are quietly killed, cremated and replaced with lookalike, mind-controlled clones. These days, at the Camp David human clone laboratories (Maryland) and elsewhere, it is possible to produce an adult human clone from originator DNA and a lab-double in less than 36 hours.

Please read the rest of this fascinating article here (http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2008/01/bilocation-of-hillary-clone-clinton.html)

The possibilities boggle the mind if this is true

Swanny
5th July 2010, 22:23
Ok your soul is in your body right now. So if they cloned one of your old bodies would it be possible to clone your soul and put it in the new body? And if it was possible would you know about it?

yiolas
5th July 2010, 22:46
Ok your soul is in your body right now. So if they cloned one of your old bodies would it be possible to clone your soul and put it in the new body? And if it was possible would you know about it?

Hi Swanny, I think the premise here is that after they have taken some of your dna for cloning, they proceed to kill you. Your soul does not re-enter the cloned body. Infact from what I understand, a clone does not have any God connection or 'spark of life' . Therefore cannot be a vessel for a soul.