Comet elenin /nibiru/ nasa issues warning to employees

[Mutchie]

I have been watching this topic very closely from the begining and through the excellent videos which Terral03 and Marshall masters have been releasing it seems to me that they have PROOF that on each occasion when we have been in allignment with elenin we have suffered severe earthquakes ie Japan,Chile,New Zealand now the next allignments will happen within 2 to 3 months and at that point Elenin will be VERY CLOSE TO EARTH :(

Nasa has just issued a WARNING TO ALL ITS EMPLOYEES to be prepared.......if that doesnt get people thinking nothing ever will terrals group expect the next allignments to TOTAL THE WORLDS POWER GRID , THEN THEY EXPECT A SUDDEN POLE SHIFT and millions of humans would perish....we have so much evidence yet people dont want to believe they want to call you a crackpot well we will see VERY SOON !
Usually im very skeptical of these warnings but i think this is for REAL......
I would appreciate feedback from others please

[Anno]

If it is a real and present danger then I'd really like to know for sure.

Are any particular places at risk? Or are we all doomed?

And what exactly can we do?

[Mutchie]

i have some very good you tube videos which have exact dates etc and a timeline showing you exactly when the NEXT ALLIGNMENTS will occur im just not sure how to get them up my post it says [youtube]lyoutube]does the link go in between these 2 symbols ?

[greybeard]

Hi Mutchie
use the one that looks like a film frame -- not u tube,
Click on it and then paste in the link
Chris

[Mutchie]

http://youtube.com/user/Terral03#P/a/u/1/j-NA2pVs9xM

I found this to be very interesting check it out for yourselves.....oh & THANK YOU Greybeard

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UNBELIEVABLE they have TERMINATED his account - he was supplying so much information - how deep does this rabbit hole go ?

hold on im using the FORCE IM SEING THE LINK ......GOTCHA...phew thought i was going to have to use my lightsaber there lol;)

[Mutchie]

http://youtu.be/j-NA2pVs9xM Finally it works HOORAAA .....

OKAY guys check this out enjoy;)

[Carolin]

Hi Mutchie,

Elenin has certainly caught my attention too!! Three alignment dates and three major earthquakes. This is not a vague prediction, someone's dream, or some channelled information.....this is proof positive! And it only stands to reason the closer it comes the more dramatic the disasters will be. I am willing to bet serious money that on or around September 25 we will see terrible disasters here on Earth. If our power grids are wiped out even temporarily there will be no money at the banks, gas at the stations or food in the stores.

What I find the most bothersome is that none of my family or friends will take it seriously. Thank God we don't live on a coast, fault line, by a nuclear plant or have low elevation.

[jasontorque]

I wonder if there's any correlation to the three events mentioned during the Project Camelot interview with Patrick Geryl (http://www.projectcamelot.org/patrick_geryl.html) (at around 56 minutes), where Bill mentions a very well known scientist. I have often speculated whom the scientist might be and have thought it could be either Dr. John Davis (http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/people.shtml) or Professor Mike Brown (http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/bio.html), so I asked Bill. He said that he had never heard of Dr. Davis but I received no reply when I asked if it was Professor Mike Brown. I am sure its simply due to the huge number of emails Bill must receive, but I can't think of more important verification if the scientist really is someone credible. I have often wondered why more probing has not been done in this regard, having shared my thoughts and observations with several sceptical friends (some of which are also scientists) and found they were more prepared to listen given the subject matter.

[jack]

Elenin alignments :

1 time - chance. 2 times - coincidence. 3 times - science.

[TraineeHuman]

Major earthquakes plus major earthquakes suggests another major earthquake may be likely somewhere in August/September. It doesn't necessarily suggest pole reversal.

[Mutchie]

Caroline your right no one wants to know its to big on the imagination but there is so much eveidence now kerry and bill were warned in 2008 remember heres the link
http:youtu.be/JXAX1CIW2IM Its no coincidence that nasa warns its employees to be prepared i mean that warning itself was leaked to the public....

[Carolin]

Elenin alignments :

1 time - chance. 2 times - coincidence. 3 times - science.

Love it!!! Now I know how many times a coincidence has to be a coincidence until it's no longer a coincidence

[bennycog]

how did it effect only one spot during the alignments? i would think it would effect more than one spot during an alignment.. the whole planet is aligned is it not?
is it that a certain point on the planet is closer to the comet or whatever is near the comet?
what countries or what has the ptb had to gain from the destruction that has heppened in these cetain places and now being partly blamed on the comet/surrounding entity..

[ghostrider]

If it is a real and present danger then I'd really like to know for sure.

Are any particular places at risk? Or are we all doomed?

And what exactly can we do?

be at least 100 miles from the coastline, stay out of california namely san fransico. stock up on food. get to know your higher self and believe that you are strong and can survive ANYTHING... if nothing happens your still ok , if the camel squeeze hits the fan, you have a chance. but mostly NEVER LET FEAR RULE YOU. FEAR ONLY HAS THE POWER YOU GIVE IT. get underground in a cave maybe head to the ozarks, or the limestone caves in missouri.

[The Truth Is In There]

how did it effect only one spot during the alignments? i would think it would effect more than one spot during an alignment.. the whole planet is aligned is it not?
is it that a certain point on the planet is closer to the comet or whatever is near the comet?
what countries or what has the ptb had to gain from the destruction that has heppened in these cetain places and now being partly blamed on the comet/surrounding entity..

it did/does affect everything (there are hundreds of smaller earthquakes almost everywhere on earth every day now and its getting more the closer planet x comes) but those spots gave way first. and in the case of japan tptb may well have helped along with haarp.

[loveandgratitude]

http://youtu.be/j-NA2pVs9xM Finally it works HOORAAA .....

OKAY guys check this out enjoy;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-NA2pVs9xM&feature=youtu.be

[Mutchie]

I keep finding storys on the net where russian scientists & some chinese ones seem to think this massive object is under intelligent control of some kind now im not tracking its movements myself but for a statement like that to be made someone somewhere must of saw it manouver or change course , I also find it interesting that NO ONE is even sure if this is even a comet lots of folks think its a brown dwarf / others are convinced its nibiru / its a long hard life for half a loaf lol ..........take care:rolleyes:

[DoubleHelix]

I hope this doesn't go over everyone's head once again.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=242372&viewfull=1#post242372

[jimbojp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIqGvu39muo&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIqGvu39muo&feature=related

Comet In Moominland was a book published in 1946, it was written by Tove Marika Jansson.

[Calz]

Anybody up for Kerry's video conference?

Could be interesting with Farrell and Hoagland on board.


Dr. Joseph P. Farrell to join ELENIN video conf line-up!

We are proud to announce that Joseph Farrell, author of Giza Death Star and Camelot witness click here for our interview with him... His research compliments much of Hoagland's and adds to filling in the big picture regarding the nazis, secret space program and what is really going on here on Planet Earth. Also, see his recent comments regarding NASA's Bolden's statements to the NASA employees...

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[DoubleHelix]

I would of been interested up until I realized it was pay only.

Disheartens the best of us - knowledge should be free, once we reach that mindset, the world will be a better place.

[JoshERTW]

Earthquakes I can see, Pole shift? Unlikely with possible exception of another slight axis shift like the one caused by the Chile quake.

[Calz]

I would of been interested up until I realized it was pay only.

Disheartens the best of us - knowledge should be free, once we reach that mindset, the world will be a better place.

I hear yah ...

Curiousity (and respect for Hoagland and Farrell) may get the best of me this time :)

[Calz]

I hope this doesn't go over everyone's head once again.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=242372&viewfull=1#post242372

So if you believe a dwarf is out of the question ... what would be your speculation on what is causing the increasing magnetic pole shift as well as the weakening of the magnetosphere???

The "charged" area of the universe the solar system is entering (and it's effect on the Sun etc)???

Lots of conflicting information out there.

[fox.mulder]

Well if we get to this time next year and nothing happens (again) can all you fear mongering posters maybe give posting a rest........

[DoubleHelix]

big can of worms there, like others I can only purely speculate. magnetosphere? I have no idea.

Geographic pole shift - Through research into Atlantis I've gained an understanding that geographic pole shifts occur every so often, and the North Pole of late used to be located in Hudson Bay.

Magnetic pole shift - I have a limited knowledge regarding the magnetic pole, but it's my understanding that it's always shifting, some times quicker than other times.

Are you of the belief that an external source way out in space is effecting Earth's magnetic field ?

[Calz]

big can of worms there, like others I can only purely speculate. magnetosphere? I have no idea.

Geographic pole shift - Through research into Atlantis I've gained an understanding that geographic pole shifts occur every so often, and the North Pole of late used to be located in Hudson Bay.

Magnetic pole shift - I have a limited knowledge regarding the magnetic pole, but it's my understanding that it's always shifting, some times quicker than other times.

Are you of the belief that an external source way out in space is effecting Earth's magnetic field ?

Well the ice core samples show that on a cyclical basis (many thousands of years in between) there are traces of several space particles that allegedly could only be there if the magnetosphere had dropped. Don't remember but there are 2 in particular and not hard to find if you research it.

Magnetic pole is shifting quite a bit right now (although you are correct in that it does drift a lot on a smaller basis). Several stories out there of airports needing to realign their runways due to how much it has shifted lately. Another good indication is a lot of the animal die off is due to animals relying on their sense of direction to migrate, find food and their way home etc.

Yes there have been several physical pole shifts on this planet (as well as others in the solar system).

Anyway ... since you seem convinced a brown dwarf is not involved (and you could be quite correct) I was looking for other explanations.

The area in space being responsible would *not* account for the alignments with earth/sun/elenin for the last 3 biggest quakes (altho in another thread there is interesting info regarding the actual strength of the japan quake).

[Solace]

the next allignments will happen within 2 to 3 months and at that point Elenin will be VERY CLOSE TO EARTH :(


http://rlv.zcache.com/were_doomed_mens_t_shirts-p235890104957902927q6v8_400.jpg


Usually im very skeptical of these warnings but i think this is for REAL......


And the usual "I'm very skeptical..." scheme at the and of the post...:rolleyes:

[Calz]

Well if we get to this time next year and nothing happens (again) can all you fear mongering posters maybe give posting a rest........

There is *something* happening and we are using the forum to explore what that could be.

I don't think anyone here is "fearmongering".

I personally find it fascinating that we *could* be experiencing the end of the cycle/start of the next (and whatever that entails).

[Calz]

For those who may have missed it ... interesting little vid from Kerry's blog:

Comet Elenin is definitely not Planet X or Nibiru - Forbidden Knowledge video

Although this is understood by me and our whistleblowers... please watch if you want to see how Google is hiding a portion of the sky. You have to ask yourself what else is out there...

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/comet-eleninnibirubrown-dwarf-twin/comet-elenin-is-definitely-not-planet-x-or-nibiru.html

[DoubleHelix]

Yes Cal well said, I don't think anyone's trying to blow the wind out of one's sail here.

Brainstorming's always a good idea - but when speculation is allowed to run rampant with a lack of cross-checked facts it can sometimes prove detrimental.

The transition into a new cycle is one that especially interests me, as anybody familiar with the Zodiak will realize that we're moving from the Piscean age into the Aquarian age.

Since we're in the mood for speculation, what's your thoughts based on all the data gathered in regards to Earth changes?

*EDIT* I seen that video earlier today, Could it be apart of a well funded psyop ?(that as well as the nasa email employee warning)

[Calz]

Yes Cal well said, I don't think anyone's trying to blow the wind out of one's sail here.

Brainstorming's always a good idea - but when speculation is allowed to run rampant with a lack of cross-checked facts it can sometimes prove detrimental.

The transition into a new cycle is one that especially interests me, as anybody familiar with the Zodiak will realize that we're moving from the Piscean age into the Aquarian age.

Since we're in the mood for speculation, what's your thoughts based on all the data gathered in regards to Earth changes?

*EDIT* I seen that video earlier today, Could it be apart of a well funded psyop ?(that as well as the nasa email employee warning)


Looking again at ice samples (and other scientific means to view the data) *clearly* climate change is and has always been going on.

That the political sociopaths are attempting to rape the people for carbon tax $$$ shows plainly their moral bankruptcy.

Though I avoid most "channeled" information these days ... there were many good sources predicting almost exactly what is going on now (James Gilliland comes to mind) regarding the climate changes and weather patterns. Who knows?

Obvious now and even admitted by major governments is weather manipulation going on via haarp, scalar or other exotic technology. Aside from the *direct* impact on the weather perhaps there are unintended *side effects*?

Having said all that (again from speculative observation) I think the data that the solar system has moved and continues moving into a type of "energy" that is changing the nature of all planets (temperature, brightness etc) cannot be discounted.

... and yes ... the PSYOPS (and theories) abound.

[Brodie75]

Knowledge is free, but it costs money to bring it to a large audiance.
Surely if you are interested enough $20 is a small price to pay

[Mutchie]

how much is it to listen to this live conference ? Hoaxland has been attacking dr judy wood over her 9/11 book and that to me is a sign that he is a dis info agent......

[DoubleHelix]

Knowledge is free, but it costs money to bring it to a large audiance.


I can appreciate the need to charge for seminars and events to keep the boat afloat and all the rest.

But what's the exact cost here, I'm under the impression the video conference is a broadcasted live skype conversation - Sure they have some big names which i do have respect for, but does that entitle them to charge a fee? if it we're lesser known people would there be a fee ? I think not.

[Brodie75]

Knowledge is free, but it costs money to bring it to a large audiance.


I can appreciate the need to charge for seminars and events to keep the boat afloat and all the rest.

But what's the exact cost here, I'm under the impression the video conference is a broadcasted live skype conversation - Sure they have some big names which i do have respect for, but does that entitle them to charge a fee? if it we're lesser known people would there be a fee ? I think not.

I believe, but am not sure that Richard Hoagland charges a small fee. On top of that you are paying for
time spent researching and gathering of imformation. Having said that i think the price should
reflect the quality of both the speakers information and presentation (tech problems,audio).

[Operator]

how much is it to listen to this live conference ? Hoaxland has been attacking dr judy wood over her 9/11 book and that to me is a sign that he is a dis info agent......

Not only that, he's far too excited over a lot of topics, hyping it. How much of the hype appeared to be true ?
He appears to be more and more like a show master. Great he found anomalies in the Apollo photos but his glass domes on the moon turn out to be
studio artifacts rather than his explanation. He's been wrong lots of times before, including propagating we've been to the moon using Apollo technology.
The way he's read in on the material leaves me no other option than to conclude that his 'mistakes' can't be accidental.

But that's of course 'IMHO' ...

[Operator]

The way he's read in on the material leaves me no other option than to conclude that his 'mistakes' can't be accidental.


Which, by the way, doesn't mean there is no useful information in the things he tells us. It could very well be he's only allowed to
tell us things in a distorted way ... but it's up to us to have the right filter on.

[Mutchie]

HELLO operator i speak with JOHN LEAR quite often and have come to class him as a friend & he is now CONVINCED HOAXLAND IS A SHILL and john wouldnt say that lightly as for comet elenin i spoke with richard hoagland on facebook about this and he said IT IS ALL BUNK to me that was when i asked him firstly about NASAS WARNING then about the ELENIN THREAT ASSESMENT anyway 2 days later there was a discussion running on his facebook page and HE HAD TOTALLY CHANGED HIS MIND now it was VERY STRANGE that they had issued the warning not only to its employees on earth but also to all humans who were off planet by that i think they meant the SECRET SPACE PROGRAM ......i mean lets say hoagland has a TICKET as they call it for a underground D.U.M.B wouldnt he say and do anything the goverment asked of him to protect his and his own family .....WE HAVE HAD 3 ALLIGMENTS = 3 MASSIVE EARTHQUAKES = 3 MORE COMING AT THE OBJECTS CLOSEST DISTANCE TO EARTH YET = AND THERE IS NOTHING ON MAIN STREAM NEWS = nothing whatsoever so what to make of it ?

[KosmicKat]

Elenin alignments :

1 time - chance. 2 times - coincidence. 3 times - science.

Love it!!! Now I know how many times a coincidence has to be a coincidence until it's no longer a coincidence

From Old Chicago,

Once is coicumstance,
Twice is coincidence,
Tree times is Enemy Action!

[Carolin]

HOAXLAND IS A SHILL

I guess if we believed government employees, past or present, we wouldn't be members of this forum.

I think that Leonid Elenin's website www.spaceobs.org is a shill also. I looked through the website briefly and couldn't find anything about the alignment dates. Has anybody else found anything credible on this website? Do you guys believe that Elenin has a 12, 989 year orbit?

[Mutchie]

its very hard knowing WHO is feeding us accurate info thesedays as for that site it tells you nothing is amiss = WELL IF THAT IS SO WHY ARE RUSSIA RUSHING TO BUILD HUNDREADS OF NEW UNDERGROUND BUNKERS ???? I had a link sent to me earlier QUOTING BARGAIN PRICES for a place inside a missile silo which has been converted into an underground bunker THEY WANTED £1O,OOO for me and i would be sharing this place with hundreads of people which made it sound like we were going to be crammed in like sardines.....it warned also that if i left it until the next allignments actually confirmed our WORST FEARS the prices could then double or even treble as by then people would be DESPERATE to escape the surface , i have never seen a really intense solar flare bombardment before so im not sure how bad it will be - this ad actually had FAMILYS SELLING THEIR HOMES for places in bunkers getting ready NOW not later:confused:

[Operator]

WELL IF THAT IS SO WHY ARE RUSSIA RUSHING TO BUILD HUNDREADS OF NEW UNDERGROUND BUNKERS ????

Well, at least on this point John Moore (http://www.thelibertyman.com/) was right .... from order to turn-key delivery having a bunker built from scratch
will at least take a year (only if design drawings are approved and ready). So this would mean that if they are in the know it's not going to happen soon.

I listened this morning to Ann Eller giving this presentation:

j5y1dUPfvuo

Given her credentials (she worked for J. Allen Hynek) I thought she was very credible ... until the point where she started to credit the Zeta Report.
Well anyway she apparently said earlier this year that with the first Japanese earthquake we're at step 7 out of 10 (Being 'only', but already, a 8.9 earthquake).

Step 8 will be even less pleasant and more devastating if she's right ...
But according to her schedule we still have a few steps ahead.

But then again her story involves the earth stop rotating, sun rising in the west, earth flipping on it's side, restoring position and then starts rotating again.
Also she claimed that the brown-dwarf was coming from the direction of the sun and we would be able to see it each day now ...
(Something coming for years now from the direction of the sun is physically impossible).

I know for decades something is coming, governments will lose their position and in my lifetime we will experience what looks like a mad-max world.
But most of the tales are too far out .... IMHO

[Carolin]

WOW!! What is that about $20,000 USD? There is always money to be made. Reminds me of an article I read online about Camper's prediction. Some guy in the States started a pet retreival business. He promised to look after the pets of the people who had experienced rapture......for a fee of course.

I don't know about you guys but I would rather die with my family than live amongst strangers like a sardine. Besides, I've always felt taken care of by "God, Sprit, The Universe" and if I was supposed to build a bunker I would have won the lottery ;)

[jack]

how did it effect only one spot during the alignments? i would think it would effect more than one spot during an alignment.. the whole planet is aligned is it not?
is it that a certain point on the planet is closer to the comet or whatever is near the comet?
what countries or what has the ptb had to gain from the destruction that has heppened in these cetain places and now being partly blamed on the comet/surrounding entity..

The entire earth tilted on its axis, like a mini physical pole shift. The reverberations were said to have been regestiered all over the earth.

If it looks like a dog.. and barks like a dog... It might still be a duck. I think the next major alignment is september the 26th or something.. not sure if im accurate on that one but it rings a bell.

[Mutchie]

Yes its a hard life for a half loaf lol......the gentleman above is correct there is one due in september but there are 2 more earlier ones they say we are going to be BOMBARDED WITH SOLAR STORMS THEN MEGA QUAKES THEN WHEN THE POLE SHIFT HAPPENS well you have tsunamis and of course the power grid is down so we wont be able to log onto AVALON it sounds like living through it is going to be a nightmare ?????

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'll call your MMMS and raise you to enlightenment ;)

[Calz]

Knowledge is free, but it costs money to bring it to a large audiance.


I can appreciate the need to charge for seminars and events to keep the boat afloat and all the rest.

But what's the exact cost here, I'm under the impression the video conference is a broadcasted live skype conversation - Sure they have some big names which i do have respect for, but does that entitle them to charge a fee? if it we're lesser known people would there be a fee ? I think not.

I believe, but am not sure that Richard Hoagland charges a small fee. On top of that you are paying for
time spent researching and gathering of imformation. Having said that i think the price should
reflect the quality of both the speakers information and presentation (tech problems,audio).

Just got back after 3 weeks overseas.

At LAX feeding 2 kids at McDonalds cost $20 ... make up you own minds on value ...

:hungry::hungry:

[Calz]

HOAXLAND IS A SHILL

I guess if we believed government employees, past or present, we wouldn't be members of this forum.

I think that Leonid Elenin's website www.spaceobs.org is a shill also. I looked through the website briefly and couldn't find anything about the alignment dates. Has anybody else found anything credible on this website? Do you guys believe that Elenin has a 12, 989 year orbit?

Most every Camelot interview subject has been trashed by someone or another.

Bob Dean is such a "teddy bear" perhaps no one will dare say a discouraging word.

No doubt there are others.

Seems odd avalon/camelot members who are here (allegedly) because of such interviews have such negativity to heap upon them.

As I recall Hoagland was a member of the "press" which (officially) (last I checked) is not a government agency (altho they sure follow marching orders ... but going back what ... to the 60's when he was covering Nasa things were not so blatant?)

[Mutchie]

god AVALON ic plastered with threads on comet ELENIN and its all over the net kind of tells you something ??????????:rolleyes:

[Anno]

This all reminds me of the Y2K bug. People made a packet selling fixes and bugger all happened.

I'd rather be sat on the surface and leave this body having witnessed a rare and amazing event than get buried alive in a bunker with a few hundred screaming strangers and go out surrounded by that energy.
If crust displacement happens and I survive then I'll (the uk) either end up near the equator and have awesome weather, or up near the north pole and be flash frozen, so either way I don't see how I can lose. =]

[Carolin]

HOAXLAND IS A SHILL

I guess if we believed government employees, past or present, we wouldn't be members of this forum.

I think that Leonid Elenin's website www.spaceobs.org is a shill also. I looked through the website briefly and couldn't find anything about the alignment dates. Has anybody else found anything credible on this website? Do you guys believe that Elenin has a 12, 989 year orbit?

Most every Camelot interview subject has been trashed by someone or another.

Bob Dean is such a "teddy bear" perhaps no one will dare say a discouraging word.

No doubt there are others.

Seems odd avalon/camelot members who are here (allegedly) because of such interviews have such negativity to heap upon them.

As I recall Hoagland was a member of the "press" which (officially) (last I checked) is not a government agency (altho they sure follow marching orders ... but going back what ... to the 60's when he was covering Nasa things were not so blatant?)

Hi Calz,

I was actually quoting Mutchie with "HOAXLAND IS A SHILL" but I lost my quotation marks while I was cutting it down....still a newbie. As far as Hoagland goes, his facebook info says he was a former Nasa consultant and that to me says government. Regardless, it doesn't matter to me if it's the government, the church, a teacher, my parents, my best-friends or my husband. I evauate EVERYTHING I hear with my own discernment. Just because somebody has a valid point in one respect doesn't mean the next thing out of their mouth will be just as valid. Everyone including me has been a shill without even realizing it. We repeat what we hear because we think it's truth. Just because it's been said over and over again doesn't make it my truth. But I digress, in my experience government/military are so segregated that they only see part of the whole unless they are out of the box thinkers.

Funny you should mention Bob Dean. I just watched their last interview with him and I could swear that I heard him tell Kerry to check something herself....not to believe him. I don't recall the subject and it really doesn't matter the point is the same "CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF". By the way people, how does somebody 82 look that good.

"Seems odd avalon/camelot members who are here (allegedly) because of such interviews have such negativity to heap upon them." Now Calz, you couldn't be talking about me here because you don't know me well enough to make that statement. But it's nice to see you have such loyalty to this forum.:p

[Mutchie]

Go girl proud of you caroline !!!

[Calz]

HOAXLAND IS A SHILL

I guess if we believed government employees, past or present, we wouldn't be members of this forum.

I think that Leonid Elenin's website www.spaceobs.org is a shill also. I looked through the website briefly and couldn't find anything about the alignment dates. Has anybody else found anything credible on this website? Do you guys believe that Elenin has a 12, 989 year orbit?

Most every Camelot interview subject has been trashed by someone or another.

Bob Dean is such a "teddy bear" perhaps no one will dare say a discouraging word.

No doubt there are others.

Seems odd avalon/camelot members who are here (allegedly) because of such interviews have such negativity to heap upon them.

As I recall Hoagland was a member of the "press" which (officially) (last I checked) is not a government agency (altho they sure follow marching orders ... but going back what ... to the 60's when he was covering Nasa things were not so blatant?)

Hi Calz,

I was actually quoting Mutchie with "HOAXLAND IS A SHILL" but I lost my quotation marks while I was cutting it down....still a newbie. As far as Hoagland goes, his facebook info says he was a former Nasa consultant and that to me says government. Regardless, it doesn't matter to me if it's the government, the church, a teacher, my parents, my best-friends or my husband. I evauate EVERYTHING I hear with my own discernment. Just because somebody has a valid point in one respect doesn't mean the next thing out of their mouth will be just as valid. Everyone including me has been a shill without even realizing it. We repeat what we hear because we think it's truth. Just because it's been said over and over again doesn't make it my truth. But I digress, in my experience government/military are so segregated that they only see part of the whole unless they are out of the box thinkers.

Funny you should mention Bob Dean. I just watched their last interview with him and I could swear that I heard him tell Kerry to check something herself....not to believe him. I don't recall the subject and it really doesn't matter the point is the same "CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF". By the way people, how does somebody 82 look that good.

"Seems odd avalon/camelot members who are here (allegedly) because of such interviews have such negativity to heap upon them." Now Calz, you couldn't be talking about me here because you don't know me well enough to make that statement. But it's nice to see you have such loyalty to this forum.:p

Just got back to this thread.

Thanks for the elaboration. My comment(s) were triggered by the "HOAX" comment but it was simply a matter of building frustration. It was not directed at anyone in particular just grabbed the "quote" (which you say got lost in edits which happen sometimes).

I got my "rant on" in another (started) thread so there is nothing to really add.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23155-Trashing-Camelot-Avalon-whistleblowers

I *do* appreciate the follow up as my biggest frustration is "hit and run" smears without explanations or following up on calls for elaboration.

Cheers :yo:

[DoubleHelix]

One doesn't have to allow themselves to get frustrated

If you finds someones' material to be of some value, then surely that's all that matters.

Defending someone as a virtual bodyguard is a battle already lost, for every public figure (including alternative) will have there share of naysayers.

That's the nature of the game, one could even view the negativity as a positive.

[Calz]

One doesn't have to allow themselves to get frustrated

If you finds someones' material to be of some value, then surely that's all that matters.

Defending someone as a virtual bodyguard is a battle already lost, for every public figure (including alternative) will have there share of naysayers.

That's the nature of the game, one could even view the negativity as a positive.

Agreed.

I am rather laid back.

Out of 1300+ posts the only time I have ever gotten "worked up" is when I make a post regarding one of the many camelot/avalon interviewees and either I sustain a personal attack for doing so or the subject of the post sustains a personal attack.

If there is an expanation given for a difference of opinion I am fine with that (regardless of if I agree of not).

Differing opinions are good for growth. In those circumstances I will consider the other opinion and not simply dismiss it.

If, on the other hand, someone says "XXXXXXXX is an idiot and you are an even bigger idiot for believing in XXXXXXXX" and disappears from the thread without following up or offering an explanation for the comment ... that is what I have issue with.


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my other "rant" thread I put in the "ligher side" forum and had fun with:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17984-WHAT-How--DARE--a-Nugget-start-a-Fulford-Thread

[DoubleHelix]

Schoolyard tactics like 'hit n runs' are commonplace amongst forums... adds to the drama.

And everybody loves drama - as most would of witnessed over the last 6 months.

[Mutchie]

Does anyone have any info on the camelot conference call regarding ELENIN ????? THANK YOU

[Carolin]

Personally, I can do without the drama. Truth is subjective and very personal. As far as experts, teachers or gurus....I always try and avoid the ones who think they have all the answers. They are usually speaking from their ego and not the higher truth. But, that's just my opinion.

[GalaxyHorse]

I hope this doesn't go over everyone's head once again.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=242372&viewfull=1#post242372

The gentleman who discovered the object reassures us that no threat exists...I'm with him actually. This Doomsday Moses who is leading
survival groups into caves-in the Ozarks and groups here in Australia too, wow..I'd hate to be caught up with him in some cave-society, can you imagine the
megalomania? If he is right I am prepared to eat my words...

[Etherios]

Just got back after 3 weeks overseas.

At LAX feeding 2 kids at McDonalds cost $20 ... make up you own minds on value ...

:hungry::hungry:

O.O You feed your kids McDeath still??? Sad...

[Etherios]

One doesn't have to allow themselves to get frustrated

If you finds someones' material to be of some value, then surely that's all that matters.

Defending someone as a virtual bodyguard is a battle already lost, for every public figure (including alternative) will have there share of naysayers.

That's the nature of the game, one could even view the negativity as a positive.

The problem is that in today's societies ... smear is more powerful than facts/truth. So most here being used to see good honest people get smeared without any reason by nobodies and see them "lose" credibility cause an idiot said something bad about them with no fact to back him then you tend to get defensive with information that you think is right.


p.s. i hope this makes sense... need more coffee

[Etherios]

I hope this doesn't go over everyone's head once again.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists%21-We-have-Nibiru-instead%21&p=242372&viewfull=1#post242372

The gentleman who discovered the object reassures us that no threat exists...I'm with him actually. This Doomsday Moses who is leading
survival groups into caves-in the Ozarks and groups here in Australia too, wow..I'd hate to be caught up with him in some cave-society, can you imagine the
megalomania? If he is right I am prepared to eat my words...

Maybe i am an idealist living in a bubbled world but i believe that the source will never make a planet/solar system that kills life every few thousands of years. I mean it makes the hole material experience void.

Its a lot easier for me to believe the hole armageddon/doom scenarios are made by the Elites so they can use fear to control us. Remember almost all religious books were written by the elites, so when ever i read bible/coran etc explanation studies i just ignore them. The only info we can get from those books is the cultist msgs that these "elites" are pushing down our throats. Once you get to this position then everything makes sense tbh, there is no reason for all this circle of death every few thousand years.

Thats just me ofc dont have any facts about it but the elites wrote the doom scenario so they can play it to become reality for the sheeple and blame god/nature.

[Calz]

Just got back after 3 weeks overseas.

At LAX feeding 2 kids at McDonalds cost $20 ... make up you own minds on value ...

:hungry::hungry:

O.O You feed your kids McDeath still??? Sad...

Lol.

Only in desperation ... like after a 14 hour flight when serious jet lag and location limits your options. You pop for popcorn at the movies???

:pop2:

My wife and I had simple cold sandwiches which added up to even more ($30).

Both my sons know very well about MacDeath. That was their choice of the few options we had available. 2 or 3 times a year won't kill anybody. (... or will it???)

But thank you ... you are spot on!!! :spit:

[Etherios]

Just got back after 3 weeks overseas.

At LAX feeding 2 kids at McDonalds cost $20 ... make up you own minds on value ...

:hungry::hungry:

O.O You feed your kids McDeath still??? Sad...

Lol.

Only in desperation ... like after a 14 hour flight when serious jet lag and location limits your options. You pop for popcorn at the movies???

:pop2:

My wife and I had simple cold sandwiches which added up to even more ($30).

Both my sons know very well about MacDeath. That was their choice of the few options we had available. 2 or 3 times a year won't kill anybody. (... or will it???)

But thank you ... you are spot on!!! :spit:

I am Greek so ill say what Ancient Greek said " ALL measure is the best" So ye i dont think it will be that bad to taste McDeath every now and then. I mean we get toxins from so many thing that occasional "BaD" habits dont make much difference.

This is why its called soft kill ... the symptoms are not immediate ... takes time for the bad to start working hehe.

[Calz]

If we post all the hazards to our health in our environment ... well ... 100 page dedicated thread???

[The Truth Is In There]

Maybe i am an idealist living in a bubbled world but i believe that the source will never make a planet/solar system that kills life every few thousands of years. I mean it makes the hole material experience void.

Its a lot easier for me to believe the hole armageddon/doom scenarios are made by the Elites so they can use fear to control us. Remember almost all religious books were written by the elites, so when ever i read bible/coran etc explanation studies i just ignore them. The only info we can get from those books is the cultist msgs that these "elites" are pushing down our throats. Once you get to this position then everything makes sense tbh, there is no reason for all this circle of death every few thousand years.

Thats just me ofc dont have any facts about it but the elites wrote the doom scenario so they can play it to become reality for the sheeple and blame god/nature.

this is all about free will. if we destroy ourselves every few thousand years that's fine with creator. it has also happened on other planets and if it wasn't for the coming ascension earth would eventually be totally destroyed (thanks to humanity), and not just a large part of us like in the past.

[Etherios]

this is all about free will. if we destroy ourselves every few thousand years that's fine with creator. it has also happened on other planets and if it wasn't for the coming ascension earth would eventually be totally destroyed (thanks to humanity), and not just a large part of us like in the past.

Wait ... how is Elinin/Dawrf star/nibiru/etc Free will? If its true this isnt human made destruction SO its not Free will. Also we CANNOT destroy the earth. To her we are bugs that can only leave maybe a scar. Earth cant be destroyed by humans ... dont mix this up. The only think we can destroy is the ecosystem and our selves. The earth will heal the ecosystem eventually but her self cant be harmed. Also does ascension come every few thousand years? Cause thats what i am saying ... the repeatable cycle.

If Elinin/Dawrf star/nibiru/etc is repeatable then it has nothing to do with ascension. We dont ascend every few thousand year i mean this isnt a joke. Thats why i say i dont think we will have a doom scenario.

So ill repeat ... if there is a cycle it has nothing to do with free will and with ascension. So my opinion is that the creator would never force a doom cycle on us. I am sure dooms happened in the past but either we killed our selves, ETs brought the moon and killed most humans etc. But that are not in a cycle. I hope people would stop mixing events that are human/ET/chance made and a repeatable cycle of the local universe. For the human/ET/chance scenarios i am sure the creator wouldnt mind (free will and natural disasters) but in the repeat cycle its like he removes free will from us and demands our physical death every few thousand years. I disagree with that.

[Mutchie]

I am just finished reading an article by Michael E Salla in which he states thats he believes that ELENIN is actually A HUGE SPACESHIP being followed by a fleet of smaller crafts and he has others supporting him in this , for starters they talk about its orbit and they say it is not a natural orbit but that it seems to be piloted furthermore they talk about the dates september 11 th the exact allignment date on its way out C,MON GUYS can that be a co incidence i think not , also they made note of the fact that the russians stated that this object passes us like clockwork every 13600 years which would be in line with the mayan calendar but nasa doesnt agree with that they say this is a one off event.......So lets just suppose this object is a spaceship my first thought would have to be the ANNUNAKI and if that is so could that be part of the reasons why the americans were in such a hurry to invade Iraq because they knew these guys were coming back there, was supposed to be all sorts of ancient stuff being found over there so WHAT WOULD THEIR INTENTIONS BE ? it was said they used us as slaves the last time and what of their technology if they have the ability to travel from place to place we are living in interesting times no doubt about that !

[The Truth Is In There]

this is all about free will. if we destroy ourselves every few thousand years that's fine with creator. it has also happened on other planets and if it wasn't for the coming ascension earth would eventually be totally destroyed (thanks to humanity), and not just a large part of us like in the past.

Wait ... how is Elinin/Dawrf star/nibiru/etc Free will? If its true this isnt human made destruction SO its not Free will. Also we CANNOT destroy the earth. To her we are bugs that can only leave maybe a scar. Earth cant be destroyed by humans ... dont mix this up. The only think we can destroy is the ecosystem and our selves. The earth will heal the ecosystem eventually but her self cant be harmed. Also does ascension come every few thousand years? Cause thats what i am saying ... the repeatable cycle.

If Elinin/Dawrf star/nibiru/etc is repeatable then it has nothing to do with ascension. We dont ascend every few thousand year i mean this isnt a joke. Thats why i say i dont think we will have a doom scenario.

So ill repeat ... if there is a cycle it has nothing to do with free will and with ascension. So my opinion is that the creator would never force a doom cycle on us. I am sure dooms happened in the past but either we killed our selves, ETs brought the moon and killed most humans etc. But that are not in a cycle. I hope people would stop mixing events that are human/ET/chance made and a repeatable cycle of the local universe. For the human/ET/chance scenarios i am sure the creator wouldnt mind (free will and natural disasters) but in the repeat cycle its like he removes free will from us and demands our physical death every few thousand years. I disagree with that.

i was referring to man-made destruction, not nibiru, when i mentioned free will. if it wasn't for cyclical destructive events (outside of mankind's influence) that eliminate a large part of humanity and, most importantly, elimiante almost all scientific knowledge, humanity would long ago have destroyed itself and the planet. take the destruction of atlantis, if the knowledge and use of crystals had remained with humanity and been further developed we would have had the means to destroy the planet. it is possible, there are weapons that can do it (humanity is most likely not in possession of one right now, thanks to the destruction cycles!), and if our scientific knowledge wouldn't have been returned to zero time and time again we and possibly the planet wouldn't be here anymore.

of course planet x/nibiru has nothing to do with ascension, nobody said that. it just so happens that it comes along at about the same time as the ascension process goes into its critical phase - 2012. and so it helps the ascension process along because the unprepared people will be removed and those that are left start a new era.

anyway, you seem to forget that all is a game. the doom stuff is part of the game, just like negativity. all this is essential for growth and the development of souls. without something that facilitates growth, such as any kind of discomfort (doom, destruction, etc.), there would be no growth. all souls would stay at their level, enjoy it, and that's that. but that's not the point of creation.

[Mutchie]

i suppose we will have to wait and see what these next allignments bring saying that elenin is supposed to be in allignment with saturn tomorrow

[Spartacus]

Can anyone show me one shred of evidence to suggest that Elenin is a dwarf star and not a low mass comet made of ice.

[The Truth Is In There]

Can anyone show me one shred of evidence to suggest that Elenin is a dwarf star and not a low mass comet made of ice.

sure, probably around september this year ;)

[ghostrider]

this object is so large it's pulling on our north pole and pushing against the south, and doing the same thing to the moon. that's right the earth and the moon's axis have tilted south. the pole shift is happening now.

[Etherios]

this object is so large it's pulling on our north pole and pushing against the south, and doing the same thing to the moon. that's right the earth and the moon's axis have tilted south. the pole shift is happening now.

Magnetic pole shift...

[Spartacus]

this object is so large it's pulling on our north pole and pushing against the south, and doing the same thing to the moon. that's right the earth and the moon's axis have tilted south. the pole shift is happening now.

What evidence do you have to support your view that this object is 'so large'? What is the source of your information regarding its mass?

The Earth has experienced many pole shifts throughout history. As far as I'm aware, this has occurred without the assistance of a large celestial body.

Elenin is real - no doubt about that. But I'm struggling to find any real evidence that this object is anything more than a rather unremarkable comet.

I guess we'll learn more about it soon. So far my money's on a quiet, uneventful passage of Elenin through our solar system.

[Dick]

Why isn't elenin on the list of comets on the spaceweather website ?
They are showing all kind of comets, large and small, and very close and far away from earth, but no sign of elenin on their list.
Watch it on www.spaceweather.com

Dick.

[steveofengland]

Why isn't elenin on the list of comets on the spaceweather website ?
They are showing all kind of comets, large and small, and very close and far away from earth, but no sign of elenin on their list.
Watch it on www.spaceweather.com

Dick.
I also wondered why its not on there, I suppose another reason for a magnetic pole shift could be down to the high activity of the sun right now, that plus the fact that the magnetosphere has is showing weakness. Maybe Elenin is just coincidently around when this is happening? But there is the magic coincidence word again. Its dificult to say about alignment caused earthquakes as there at least five 4.5 / 5.5 quakes everyday and rising.
There are so many theories banding about right now its crazy. One thing is obvious, The scientific community are constantly removing sources for us to see this comet with their equipment (WISE) And then there is the shuttle with will be coming back down to earth for the last time (Is it not going to be possible to get it up again?)
There is too much circumstantial eveidence that something huge is round the corner.

[Referee]

Dutchsinse posted this today 8/1/11 pretty interesting. I did not know there was a report on MSM.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJEVPjbQCE&feature=feedu


Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwJEVPjbQCE&feature=feedu