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loveandgratitude
19th June 2011, 06:18
They're too easy to maintain

Is it a "conspiracy" that perfectly functional electric cars were pulled off the market and destroyed by GM and other car makers?

What else would you call it?

Here's another reason why perfectly functional electric cars that:

a) travel 300 miles on a charge,
b) can be fully charged at home in one hour,
c) run for the equivalent of 60 cents a gallon, and
d) have the same speed and acceleration as normal cars are not available for sale.

Keep in mind there were not theoretical or experimental vehicles. They were in production and the consumers that had them (on lease, they were never sold outright) loved them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJEPLc58IlM

A MUST SEE DOCO - BRING TISSUES


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39K36Rw7LYc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U2THtlZ1UU&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA5diNDwjEY&feature=related

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Lochinvar
19th June 2011, 09:26
What is the best way to generate the electricity that they will run on?

Mad Hatter
19th June 2011, 09:30
I love this doco. It is the tactical nuke for use in arguments with the man made global warming alarmists. ie either sell me one or leave me in peace...

Mad Hatter
19th June 2011, 09:37
What is the best way to generate the electricity that they will run on?
Zero Point or a Magnetic Wankel Motor but don't hold your breath for those... next best for the planet would be Hydro assuming you have the dams.

Lochinvar
19th June 2011, 10:17
I love this doco. It is the tactical nuke for use in arguments with the man made global warming alarmists. ie either sell me one or leave me in peace...

It's the same with governments charging duty on recycled vegetable oil for modified diesel cars. If they thought the planet really needed saving then they wouldn't charge the duty.

loveandgratitude
19th June 2011, 10:20
Apparently Japan was about to release a magnetic generator to use in domestic houses, deleting the need for power stations and also releasing other inventions that would veto the oil soaked monopoly.

Unfortunately that had an unfortunate earthquake and tsusami. What a coincidence.

Cjay
19th June 2011, 10:36
Just a few thoughts...

One problem with electric cars, for the time being, is that they would be charged with electricity generated in a power plant possibly more than one hundred miles away. That is not efficent.

Another problem is the batteries. What are they made of? Nickel-Cadmium? Eeek! They are notoriously dangerous in terms of toxicity and the risk of explosion. Of course there are other battery technologies but none provide a rapid-charge capability that is comparable to how long it takes to fill up your car's fuel tank with a liquid fuel.

Speaking of liquid fuel, I like the idea of cars that run on water. If we split water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burn the hydrogen by recombining it with ogygen, the only byproduct is water and we can put that straight back into the tank.

Billy
19th June 2011, 11:03
This electric car just drove from lands end to johno'groats two days ago, (896 miles)at the total cost of 20, which was the cost of recharging the batteries.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/06/17/motorist-drives-from-john-o-groats-to-land-s-end-in-an-electric-car-and-it-costs-just-20-115875-23206338/

Steven
19th June 2011, 12:36
The first car to hit 100mph more than a hundred years ago was... electric! No car with explosion engine match the acceleration of the electric motor. And it produce nearly no noise! The wheel motor created by Hydro-Quebec in the 80s was so full of qualities, that it never reached the market!

We use to hear and say that the batteries are the weak spot of the chain. But I'm sure it is just the part we know... There must be some incredible invention hidden in their hangar that humanity need bigtime.

We need it and will have it soon.

Namaste, Steven

Etherios
19th June 2011, 13:17
What is the best way to generate the electricity that they will run on?

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Andrea_A._Rossi_Cold_Fusion_Generator

Steven
19th June 2011, 13:46
Here is a good example, among many, which never hit the streets because it was too good to be true. The first version was the real deal. Afterward, they adapted it to remain active.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TM4_Electrodynamic_Systems

Namaste, Steven

Anno
19th June 2011, 14:01
Why do we need any kind of car? All cars do is propel you quickly. Horses and cycles aren't as fast but they'll get you to where you are going. As will your feet. I feel that this desire for environmentally sound cars is a bit of an oxymoron. It's trying to keep the busy busy busy world we have but at less of a cost. I'd prefer if we just abandoned the fast way of life all together.

As Stephen mentioned, batteries are not environmentally sound at all. Making and destroying them causes a lot of pollution and our battery tech is the weak point in all renewable energy solutions unfortunately.

Etherios
19th June 2011, 14:08
Why do we need any kind of car? All cars do is propel you quickly. Horses and cycles aren't as fast but they'll get you to where you are going. As will your feet. I feel that this desire for environmentally sound cars is a bit of an oxymoron. It's trying to keep the busy busy busy world we have but at less of a cost. I'd prefer if we just abandoned the fast way of life all together.

As Stephen mentioned, batteries are not environmentally sound at all. Making and destroying them causes a lot of pollution and our battery tech is the weak point in all renewable energy solutions unfortunately.

Just because we dont have proper batteries atm doesnt mean you should not use electric cars right? Even petrol cars use small batteries ... they just have to make them work better. Its all about money/control. Nothing to do with environment and better performances.

DoubleHelix
19th June 2011, 15:07
The problem I see with electric cars, is not the car itself but the ways in which electric energy is generated.

There's countless ways to produce energy in this day and age, some obviously better than others eg. renewable sources, zero point or anything for that matter that doesn't harm the planet.

The favoured sources of energy adopted around the world seem to fall into 3 categories, all of which produce (or have the ability to produce) adverse effects - Coal, Gas and Nuclear. France currently has 78% of its Energy generated via Nuclear sources.

The concept of an electric car is a great idea none the less. But for me I personally love the idea of water electrolysis - separating the hydrogen from the oxygen and utilizing the hydrogen as the fuel source, therefore running your car of water... you wouldn't have any troubles refueling.. that's for sure!!

Wings
19th June 2011, 15:22
I've always been interested in the Dean Kamen's Segway as a form of major transport for many cities .... but we are so slow in adopting good technology. I have seen one on the road here where I live, but it is considered illegal to use here, even on cycle paths (where these are considered dangerous to pedestrians, whereas cyclists are considered safe). It's laughable.

This is a great vehicle for short to medium distance travel (they travel 20 kms an hour). Could be adapted for wet weather.

loveandgratitude
20th June 2011, 03:19
What happened to this battery?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J5f9x_RfHI

DoubleHelix
20th June 2011, 03:30
Classic suppression tactic - Chevron / Texaco buys out new battery technology and effectively make it disappear.

I think we need to take some lessons from Wade Frazier on how to approach incorporating Free Energy into our every day life. For anybody interested he highlights it brilliantly during his latest interview - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=245058&viewfull=1#post245058

Humble Janitor
20th June 2011, 05:50
People continue to trash the idea of electric vehicles using the same old arguments (limited range, unappealing design, use of electricity, etc).

It's as if they've completely forgotten about the technology that we have had for longer than man can fathom.

TPTB love fossil fuels.

They keep us under their control.

A true revolution needs electric vehicles that are off the grid completely, which means no involvement from major automakers.

Perhaps a peripheral device of sorts. I have seen allusions to many devices online but no concrete examples that can be bought outright.

Feel free to correct me. I am tired of burning fossil fuels. It is taking more money from me than I wish and I only have so much to pay bills and basic necessities.

I bought a motorcycle for myself for my birthday last year and I'm attempting to get a license. I hope to reduce if not outright eliminate the use of my car.

applecrusher1992
21st June 2011, 01:24
Heard some Italians were working on LENR(Cold Fusion) which would be extremely safe and much cheaper than nuclear and coal. They have gained a lot of credibility from many mainstream scientists and have said they will be ready for partial/full commercial production by the end of this year. Look up yourself if you haven't heard of it yet. Really interesting stuff.