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Taurean
11th July 2011, 10:27
Now is the Calm before the Storm.

http://youtu.be/b3-vwYJiD8g

don't get caught out.

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The dollar collapse will be the single largest event in human history. This will be the first event that will touch every single living person in the world. All human activity is controlled by money. Our wealth,our work,our food,our government,even our relationships are affected by money.

Anno
11th July 2011, 13:10
Modern Humans have been around for what, 200,000 years? The dollar has been around for 200ish, the banking system maybe 400 ish. So what if it collapses?
We seem to have done ok before it so why would we be doomed if it went? I mean seriously, even if all the supermarkets and shops closed tomorrow, so what? We've only had them for 200 or so years. In our dna is the genetic memory of how to live in the world in a more natural way in harmony with everything else.

The way we live in built up static communities with centralised provision of goods and services is artificial and as such it is doomed to fail eventually. It's natural and nothing to be afraid of. The only people who should be afraid of its collapse are the ones getting the better living while the rest of us are trapped in the system as slaves. They are the ones that promote all this fear of collapse and keep some countries in artificial famines as a threat, in the same way they allow some in our communities to live on the street as a threat. Do what you're told or you'll be one of them.

They're the ones investing all the money into the fear and doom section of the alternative community. Buy guns, buy gold, hide in a bunker and you better pray the banks survive or we're screwed.

The truth is, if we all wanted a better quality of life we should burn down our houses and supermarkets, get a tent and head off in to the fields where together we'd find a more free and natural way of living that our ancestors enjoyed for hundreds of thousands of years.

Lochinvar
11th July 2011, 15:13
Modern Humans have been around for what, 200,000 years? The dollar has been around for 200ish, the banking system maybe 400 ish. So what if it collapses?
We seem to have done ok before it so why would we be doomed if it went? I mean seriously, even if all the supermarkets and shops closed tomorrow, so what? We've only had them for 200 or so years. In our dna is the genetic memory of how to live in the world in a more natural way in harmony with everything else.

The way we live in built up static communities with centralised provision of goods and services is artificial and as such it is doomed to fail eventually. It's natural and nothing to be afraid of. The only people who should be afraid of its collapse are the ones getting the better living while the rest of us are trapped in the system as slaves. They are the ones that promote all this fear of collapse and keep some countries in artificial famines as a threat, in the same way they allow some in our communities to live on the street as a threat. Do what you're told or you'll be one of them.

They're the ones investing all the money into the fear and doom section of the alternative community. Buy guns, buy gold, hide in a bunker and you better pray the banks survive or we're screwed.

The truth is, if we all wanted a better quality of life we should burn down our houses and supermarkets, get a tent and head off in to the fields where together we'd find a more free and natural way of living that our ancestors enjoyed for hundreds of thousands of years.
People will starve if the supermarkets close. Do you not agree?

phillipbbg
11th July 2011, 15:45
People will starve if the supermarkets close. Do you not agree?

Life finds a way..... and yes many will starve.....

I learnt a long time ago some people are here but not actually switched on...
I was at a BBQ in Sydney and the oil on the BBQ caught fire .... everyone around just watched in a catatonic state... the flames grew bigger until they started to catch the side of the house.... still people watched ..... I was amazed ... quickly grabbed a towel from the kitchen soaked it in the swimming pool and threw it on the BBQ fire out everyone woke up and said thanks etc.... it was really weird. A lot of them would have been burnt if it had taken hold or worse, but they would have done nothing about it......

This was a waking moment for me in the ways of humans of different life paths.....

So yes many will starve, and many bad things will result from waking up, but also the best parts of humanity will also shine as they always do and always will do whilst we exist in human form... its what is good about us, our capacity to become enlightened...IMO that is

Operator
11th July 2011, 15:46
Somehow I got the image of a Mad Max world (ending image of this video too) as a prediction of the future
since the eighties and I remember saying that explicitly to family and friends in the early nineties ...

Remarkable how it all seems to turn out that way ... I am not scared by this image though.
I am fully aware that it might turn ugly soon ... but I see it as necessary before things can really change.

As always ... we should have turned things around when we had a more comfortable opportunity. Now it will
be done while it's out of control. 'Nature' will find a way ...

Carmody
11th July 2011, 15:54
Modern Humans have been around for what, 200,000 years? The dollar has been around for 200ish, the banking system maybe 400 ish. So what if it collapses?
We seem to have done ok before it so why would we be doomed if it went?

the fiat currency system has been around for at least 6000 years, on record. The control of energy, means of trade and control via those channels has been around for at least that long. So, not 400 years, but 6 thousand, minimum.

There is strong evidence of prior civilizations that that were considerably more advanced than us, in many ways. Meaning, their technology looks like magic to us. That is, if we don't recognize the technological tricks they used.

The evidence of prior advanced civilizations is bordering on overwhelming. Combined with other aspects, this creates a near decisive understanding in the individual that what is happening now is entirely forced and planned, as events go.

-IF- things come apart, control of individuals will be more difficult, in some ways, to achieve. The masses of the public are supposed to 'go down' NOT knowing that their societal and cultural destruction is planned and purposely executed. This, so they go easily, with no capacity to form a specific 'enemy', a real one. Giving the public at large a REAL enemy at the onset and during a real societal collapse, that is one of the things that the elites fear.

You are supposed to simply turn into angry biting animals, not know who is attempting to turn you into one.

Calz
11th July 2011, 15:59
"They" are counting on "us" to kill each other off to a great degree when the food runs out ... making their "job" easier???

Lochinvar
11th July 2011, 16:05
People will starve if the supermarkets close. Do you not agree?

Life finds a way..... and yes many will starve.....

I learnt a long time ago some people are here but not actually switched on...
I was at a BBQ in Sydney and the oil on the BBQ caught fire .... everyone around just watched in a catatonic state... the flames grew bigger until they started to catch the side of the house.... still people watched ..... I was amazed ... quickly grabbed a towel from the kitchen soaked it in the swimming pool and threw it on the BBQ fire out everyone woke up and said thanks etc.... it was really weird. A lot of them would have been burnt if it had taken hold or worse, but they would have done nothing about it......

This was a waking moment for me in the ways of humans of different life paths.....

So yes many will starve, and many bad things will result from waking up, but also the best parts of humanity will also shine as they always do and always will do whilst we exist in human form... its what is good about us, our capacity to become enlightened...IMO that is
It sounds like you will be trying to stop supermarkets from burning down (unlike the 2nd poster). Presumably to avert mass starvation. If that is the case then I believe it is a good thing.

Operator
11th July 2011, 16:05
"They" are counting on "us" to kill each other off to a great degree when the food runs out ... making their "job" easier???

I think you're right !
The Georgia guide stones only tell to keep the population under 500 million. It doesn't say how to get there.
They don't need to kill us all ... just let all catastrophe come as it is heading our way. It's exactly the filter they
want to apply ... only the strong and prepared will survive.

As always they expect us to do the work for them ... maybe this time we will outsmart them :eyebrows:

Lochinvar
11th July 2011, 16:13
"They" are counting on "us" to kill each other off to a great degree when the food runs out ... making their "job" easier???

I think you're right !
The Georgia guide stones only tell to keep the population under 500 million. It doesn't say how to get there.
They don't need to kill us all ... just let all catastrophe come as it is heading our way. It's exactly the filter they
want to apply ... only the strong and prepared will survive.

As always they expect us to do the work for them ... maybe this time we will outsmart them :eyebrows:

I like your optimism. Presumably you don't get your positivity from a thread about burning down supermarkets (the 2nd most thanked post so far).

doodah
11th July 2011, 16:35
Can anyone post the 5 places? I can't do YouTube on my computer with dial-up service. I sure am curious! Thanks.

giovonni
11th July 2011, 17:09
Can anyone post the 5 places? I can't do YouTube on my computer with dial-up service. I sure am curious! Thanks.

if your into a doom and gloom fallout scenario...
the video's narrator serves up and suggests these particular locations...
"1. Israel
2. Southern California
3. The island nation of England.
4. The New York City area.
5. The Washington D.C. area - the home of the Federal Reserve."

from the video's description sub text...
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"Read and occasionally paraphrased from an article Written By :
Silver Shield
Titled: Top 5 Places NOT To Be When The Dollar Collapses
http://dont-tread-on.me/

"My apologies for not originally giving him credit for the written material. My motives are purely to sound the alarm in a way to awaken the masses to the dangers we most certainly face. Thank you Silver Shield for your understanding ;-)

The dollar collapse will be the single largest event in human history. This will be the first event that will touch every single living person in the world. All human activity is controlled by money. Our wealth,our work,our food,our government,even our relationships are affected by money.

No money in human history has had as much reach in both breadth and depth as the dollar. It is the de facto world currency. All other currency collapses will pale in comparison to this big one. All other currency crises have been regional and there were other currencies for people to grasp on to.

This collapse will be global and it will bring down not only the dollar but all other fiat currencies,as they are fundamentally no different. The collapse of currencies will lead to the collapse of ALL paper assets. The repercussions to this will have incredible results worldwide."

My Blog
http://www.newamerica-now.blogspot.com

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Lost Soul
11th July 2011, 17:10
I doubt if any one from Avalon will harm another person unless it is in self defense. However, if you've been in a protest, you know how fast it can get ugly. It may be a few anarchists who throw bottles at the cops or start smashing the glass at some store. That's how a peaceful protest turned into riot. Once it becomes a riot, the burning and looting begins. There is a breakdown as the police contracts themselves and the mob takes over.

As Gerald Celente warns, once the money stops flowing to the man on the streets, the blood starts flowing on the street. Hence when the dollar collapse and folks don't have food, they'll take it. For those who don't think that can happen in the U.S. or Europe, go to this link and then scroll down to the video that reads: Empty Store Shelves Coming to America. Here's a link to the videos at the website: http://inflation.us/videos.html For our European members who don't think it won't happen to them, Wiemar Germany had its food riots and Paris had its bread riots.

All Avalonians should have a stash of food and water so when the panic hits, (s)he can remain apart from the crowd.

Here are the five places not to be. They share in common of having lived high on the dollar hog and are thus very vulnerable. They are:

Israel - no U.S. support, high tensions and a lot of neighbors who are hostile
Southern California - Battlefield Los Angeles. No water (they draw from Northern California), close proximity to a Narco State. Remember the King Riots? Also fuel is brought in. A lot of people are on Prozac.
England - people will turn against the elite. Look at the soccer riots. Now, when food doesn't reach them, expect worse.
New York city - large urban area living too high on the dollar hog. It's all Wall Street Wealth driven. Much of the nation's wealth flows through New York.
Washington, DC - collapse of the Federal government and a lot of people there are dependent on it.

phillipbbg
11th July 2011, 17:11
Calendar for July 2011

This year, July has 5 Fridays, 5 Saturdays and 5 Sundays. This happens
Once every 823 years. This is called money bags. Based on Chinese
Feng Shui.

Its all kicking off this month........ :hail: :hail: :hail:

Operator
11th July 2011, 17:11
Can anyone post the 5 places? I can't do YouTube on my computer with dial-up service. I sure am curious! Thanks.

Israel, Los Angeles, UK, New York city, Washington DC

Nasu
11th July 2011, 17:13
"They" are counting on "us" to kill each other off to a great degree when the food runs out ... making their "job" easier???

I think you're right !
The Georgia guide stones only tell to keep the population under 500 million. It doesn't say how to get there.
They don't need to kill us all ... just let all catastrophe come as it is heading our way. It's exactly the filter they
want to apply ... only the strong and prepared will survive.

As always they expect us to do the work for them ... maybe this time we will outsmart them :eyebrows:

I like your optimism. Presumably you don't get your positivity from a thread about burning down supermarkets (the 2nd most thanked post so far).

I am glad you like his optimism, I do too. As a fellow traveler I gently remind you that there is a difference between knowing the path and walking it. You are doing it. You are the seed of resentment, as you know it can lead to darker thoughts and action, it can lead to war, death, suffering.

So please back down about the comment on the shopping centers, please. Don't fall into your own trap, let them be, let them live differently and think differently. Its an emotive subject, it brings out the easiest targets.

Anyway the shopping centers are merely distribution points in the global chain, break some of the links and they would be empty before they were looted. So, infrastructure issues aside, what is your plan, given your location. Or do you think it is not the threat that the video suggests?

My own feeling is that we have a small glimpse of one aspect of the greater puzzle presented to us. I have always been crap at puzzles… N

TargeT
11th July 2011, 17:22
really you could say any large populated area should be avoided (good luck right, don't most of us live in a "city" ?)

I never considered what would happen when the anti-psychotics run out.. I mean I know how devastating the lack of medicine will be (diabetics, kiss your ass good bye, get that under control or figure out a natural sustainable way to keep your self alive, because with out "society" your F***ed).


I'm a chapter member of a great place to gather information for disaster preparation if anyone is interested.. lots of good info @ http://www.zombiehunters.org/ (well more specifically: http://zombiehunters.org/forum/index.php? )

Lochinvar
11th July 2011, 17:52
"They" are counting on "us" to kill each other off to a great degree when the food runs out ... making their "job" easier???

I think you're right !
The Georgia guide stones only tell to keep the population under 500 million. It doesn't say how to get there.
They don't need to kill us all ... just let all catastrophe come as it is heading our way. It's exactly the filter they
want to apply ... only the strong and prepared will survive.

As always they expect us to do the work for them ... maybe this time we will outsmart them :eyebrows:

I like your optimism. Presumably you don't get your positivity from a thread about burning down supermarkets (the 2nd most thanked post so far).

I am glad you like his optimism, I do too. As a fellow traveler I gently remind you that there is a difference between knowing the path and walking it. You are doing it. You are the seed of resentment, as you know it can lead to darker thoughts and action, it can lead to war, death, suffering.

So please back down about the comment on the shopping centers, please. Don't fall into your own trap, let them be, let them live differently and think differently. Its an emotive subject, it brings out the easiest targets.

Anyway the shopping centers are merely distribution points in the global chain, break some of the links and they would be empty before they were looted. So, infrastructure issues aside, what is your plan, given your location. Or do you think it is not the threat that the video suggests?

My own feeling is that we have a small glimpse of one aspect of the greater puzzle presented to us. I have always been crap at puzzles… N
You must be careful with the first highlighted part. People say that you reap what you sow.

The video doesn't seem to know the difference between England and the UK (disappointing). I'm not sure that it is all that easy to say which area will suffer most (other than perhaps areas of high population density).

My plan is to help as many people as possible and to not burn any buildings down. To feed the hungry and aid the sick. And to believe that we live in a world of infinite possibilities where the situation in the OP's video may not arise even though it might seem likely at the moment.

Calz
11th July 2011, 18:04
"They" are counting on "us" to kill each other off to a great degree when the food runs out ... making their "job" easier???

I think you're right !
The Georgia guide stones only tell to keep the population under 500 million. It doesn't say how to get there.
They don't need to kill us all ... just let all catastrophe come as it is heading our way. It's exactly the filter they
want to apply ... only the strong and prepared will survive.

As always they expect us to do the work for them ... maybe this time we will outsmart them :eyebrows:

I like your optimism. Presumably you don't get your positivity from a thread about burning down supermarkets (the 2nd most thanked post so far).

I suggest only what "they" (illuminated earthbound nitwits) have planned.

What actually happens could be all over the map ...

Personally ... for those that have food and water (and protection from those that do not) ... knocking out the power grid could be quite positive.

Existing system is going to come down one way or another.

On a deeper level ... time for "mama to have a bath" ... best to be off world ... less so to have tickets to the DUMBs ... for the rest of us nice to have plenty of supplies in a nearby accessible and uncontested cave for (at least) a few months.

IMHO ... I could easily be totally wrong :)

*** adding ***

Several "spiritual" options (obviously) possible as well.

Calz
11th July 2011, 18:21
My plan is to help as many people as possible and to not burn any buildings down. To feed the hungry and aid the sick. And to believe that we live in a world of infinite possibilities where the situation in the OP's video may not arise even though it might seem likely at the moment.

Bottom line ... that is what matters most.

If that is how it falls out for you then how you deal with the situation (intent) matters far more than the results. :thumb:

Operator
11th July 2011, 18:21
My plan is to help as many people as possible and to not burn any buildings down. To feed the hungry and aid the sick. And to believe that we live in a world of infinite possibilities where the situation in the OP's video may not arise even though it might seem likely at the moment.

Very good, but be careful that you enable yourself to sustain your help for others. People in panic can easily take you down with them.
I like your idea ... here's an example: You can either hide where and how you are growing vegetables or you can show out in the open
and share with your neighbors how to grow them. Offer them a good example to follow !

You will have a better chance on success when you work together. If you have to work in shifts and want to avoid working alone you
already need 6 people at least, which is more than the average family size.

Muzz
11th July 2011, 18:50
The island nation of England

Cool Scotlands gonna make it. :)

IMHO
My 5 places not to be.

1. Fear
2. Ignorance ( at least be prepared in some way)
3. A place with no sense of community
4. No spiritual aspect to your life
5. Fear :)

There is big change coming there is no doubt. I am always in the worst place when the wierdest stuff happens. But thats cool. So Im stayin put, strapping in for the ride and gonna help as many as i can along the way.

Rocky_Shorz
11th July 2011, 19:00
well money would be the first shock but worst of all will be all of the people on anti-depressents unable to get medicine...

so I would say not in front of a drug store after they have run out...

Darla Ken Pearce
11th July 2011, 19:12
You know the Federal Reserve and it's fiat dollars ran out for some of us years ago. We lost homes, jobs, marriages, and had no greenbacks. It happened quietly and not many cared to see or respond. It happened to me in 1978, 1997, 2006, and 2010. Big deal! Well, okay I was depressed for a couple of years. We get over it and move on! This is OLD stuff not new revelations. We've done this before. If not in this life, another life somewhere else.

Without jobs and mortgages, you lose a huge elephant of worry, trouble, and woes upon your back, neck and shoulders. Without jobs, you must find creative things to do with your 24 hours. How tough is that? When you are forced out of these things ~ or they are taken away, it seems sad at first until you realize that the shackles have been removed. Unexpected as it may be. We have been programmed to believe, we must be saddled with these things ~ in order to be responsible ~ and once they are gone, there is a fear that comes over you and quickly passes back into the dust bin of history. Free at last comes to mind! I guess you needed to be there.

It's the anticipation of having these things happen or be taken away that holds all the power, terror and woe over us and allows fear to grow larger by the day. It is through fear of these things happening, it stops us short, and we snap those handcuffs and shackles back upon our own selves ~ no one else can do it.

Who says we need to make some corporation rich? Who says we can't build a house out of sticks? Millions of acres lay vacant ~ so why are we locked up in cities? Who says we need these shackles? We do so through our participation erecting prisons of our own.

In truth, this is what happens when disaster befalls us.... We are not afraid when it actually comes upon us and arrives. We awaken fast and quickly take stock of what's needed, available, and we go forth and create something very new. One of our greatest talents is our ability to think on our feet. Access things, be flexible and open to a moment's change in circumstances. We are adaptable, self-teaching, self-healing, self-sustaining, self-motivated, self-sufficient especially in crunches. When push comes to shove. We need not shove back but create something increasingly better.

There is this illusion of want and need flowing over this thread. Watch this to see how crazy you are to be worrying about shortages, disasters and being caught in places we wouldn't be caught dead now. In this very moment. New York forgive me. The rest know who you are....Israel. Yeah, I'm was going to line up with the Palestinans for food and watch the "Audacity of Hope" be boarded by pirates! It's number ONE on my travel list. Not!

Here's the "create" what we need video. This is it folks! More like it coming this year, 2011. Put this in your pipe and smoke it! Nah, just teasing. Please don't do it!

ZboxMsSz5Aw

It is natural to seek shelter, warmth, food. Instinctively we know how to do this without the need for others to guide our path. Who do you think blazed a trail Westward from Europe across the American plains? Well, it was you, sweetheart. You, you, you. And if you don't believe in reincarnation, think of it this way. Your pioneer elders gave your the genes necessary for survival and their blood runs through your veins. These talents are not lost and can easily be called forth again.


Should disaster befall you. You make your way to a park or camping ground. An area of greater safety. If necessary, you can huddle together for warmth. When was the last time you needed to do that? You share what food you have or can find. You use what resources are available. We know those among us who have talents for hunting, fishing, or showing the way to guide us to these necessary things.

Sometimes you have only the branches of a tree for shelter from the storms of life. Still you are blessed. When the last vintage of what you thought was important is taken from you....And it's just you and your God or your perception of your Creator.

Well, what happens then? <drum roll here>

You will find peace for once without conditions, without providing anything, without needing to prove anything. And you may know yourself for the very first time.

Hey, worse things can happen to you.

We can advance or we can create the times when we will be forced to learn and know these beautiful things for ourselves. Fear is the enemy. Nothing more. And so it is...

Lost Soul
11th July 2011, 19:22
Concur with Darla. Food and water are a must. Shelter you can always build whether it is with tarps, wood or even branches and mud (tie and weave branches together and then use mud to build up the walls). Keep it simple.

Red Elk's book, Short Stories, gives a lot of insights into how to do things primitively as well as address spiritual matters and wisdom. If you can't get it, then get an old Boy Scouts handbook and read it.

Finally, remember to walk in the light. Most of us can do without a lot of the fancy trappings that the media tells us will make our lives better. They (the clutter) don't. Only bonding with the Creator and walking in the Creator's light does. Paz!

TargeT
11th July 2011, 23:21
the TRUE evil of the Federal Reserve system is that it's mission is to "seek 100% employment"

now why does a society with the capabilities of automation that we have need 100% employment? Id say in reality we need around 20% employment to maintain a life style similar to what we have now.

and in reality, who could stay "un employed" for long? we'd all end up doing SOMETHING, hopefully what ever we are passionate about, or at least interested in; I bet that ALONE would be enough to provide for societies needs..

I loved the venus project for that line of thinking, though there were some shady connotations and I don't see it as realistic *right now*


anyway, my point was to expand on Darla's excellent post; think of what you could accomplish with out a job, with all of your time for what YOU wanted to do with it.

not having this society is a dream to me, and I do not fear it, I welcome it eagerly.

Let washington continue its insanities, just be calm, improve your self, keep learning & be ready for *whatever* as in reality, only YOU can count on YOU to take of YOU (which is all of us since you ARE me.., so you can view that as a half full or half empty comment, I see the former)

Life always throws us interesting curve balls though right? while I eagerly await the collapse of this control system, my current girlfriend basically said she'd rather die than (my words/summary) "not live a materialistic life"; and she wasn't joking.

Just another reminder that all is balanced I suppose.

ahamkara
11th July 2011, 23:32
No one has mentioned the very obvious. Our increased global population has been made possible by an agricultural system based on cheap oil/fertilizer. The "green revolution" enabled previously unproductive land to be farmed with the use of cheap fertilizer and modified crops. Stable, relatively cheap food resulted in a dramatic leap in how many people could be fed. (Also, a global vaccination program dropped the death rate from some previously deadly diseases).

Take away the infastructure of mechanzied agriculture, harvesting, shipping and storage, and the carrying capacity of the planet drops sharply. This can come about due to lack of fuel (the result of war, of disruption of supply), or the structure can become worthless given climate instability, drought, etc.

6 billion people cannot be fed on subsistance farming.

Erich
12th July 2011, 00:14
People in this part of the world would have NO problem surviving quite well without money at all. Even the city folk have rural knowledge. They teach farming in schools. Villages organize crop, water and land use. Police don't even work at night.

doodah
12th July 2011, 01:05
"1. Israel
2. Southern California
3. The island nation of England.
4. The New York City area.
5. The Washington D.C. area - the home of the Federal Reserve."


Thanks Giovonni and Operator. I'm not very much for gloom and doom, but I was curious what they were saying. Israel... that's interesting. Being away from large population centers makes sense.

Thanks!

Anno
12th July 2011, 01:40
People will starve if the supermarkets close. Do you not agree?

Many people starved to death today because the land they used to farm is now used to fill overseas supermarkets.



Modern Humans have been around for what, 200,000 years? The dollar has been around for 200ish, the banking system maybe 400 ish. So what if it collapses?
We seem to have done ok before it so why would we be doomed if it went?

the fiat currency system has been around for at least 6000 years, on record.[...]

I don't have any problem with a currency. It certainly makes trade easier. It's this centralisation of control and the idea that everyone MUST use the Dollar. **** the dollar. And the Euro too. I want shiny beads =D

Lord Sidious
12th July 2011, 04:39
People in this part of the world would have NO problem surviving quite well without money at all. Even the city folk have rural knowledge. They teach farming in schools. Villages organize crop, water and land use. Police don't even work at night.

Sounds like a great place to live.

onawah
12th July 2011, 04:53
I disagree. If you research the history of vaccines, there is much evidence that the accepted mainstream theories about vaccines are simply untrue. There is plenty of information about this in the various threads on PA that have been created over the years regarding vaccines.


(Also, a global vaccination program dropped the death rate from some previously deadly diseases)..

Davidallany
12th July 2011, 05:10
"They" are counting on "us" to kill each other off to a great degree when the food runs out ... making their "job" easier???
Since morality apply only to us, they have no obligations what so ever, remember " ask not what your country can do for you" and " I, (Insert full name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God."
I suggest for everybody to reconsider their contract.

Lochinvar
12th July 2011, 15:10
The island nation of England

Cool Scotlands gonna make it. :)

IMHO
My 5 places not to be.

1. Fear
2. Ignorance ( at least be prepared in some way)
3. A place with no sense of community
4. No spiritual aspect to your life
5. Fear :)

There is big change coming there is no doubt. I am always in the worst place when the wierdest stuff happens. But thats cool. So Im stayin put, strapping in for the ride and gonna help as many as i can along the way.

They must be expecting a fault line to open up along Hadrians wall.....and Offahs dyke....(does she even know?). Would it be fearful to rebuild the wall and keep the water and oil to ourselves? How long would the deer, sheep and cattle last I wonder?

Laura Elina
14th July 2011, 20:25
Well, the news are not very comforting to watch, that's for sure, economy crisis within the EU, US debt, what not. But as it was pointed out, living in fear is no use, either you halt or you act, like they say.... Prepare for the "worst" and hope for the best, besides... We have done this many a times before, lived and died, and we are still here. If things really do fall apart at the level some think they do, suppose the best thing one can do for themselves is to remain calm and as clear minded as possible, that's really the best defense and attack plan regarding survival you got there, wits will get you through harsh circumstances. Having been born and raised in near approximate of the arctic circle and having been taught self defense and survival skills since young age (no, not quite Hanna style, lol), I'm confident in some aspects that I have a fair chance of not freaking out, when going gets tough, and yet again... I'm not preparing for the end times either, just making sure I'm not walking with my inner radar offline and that I got a plan, if the situation calls for one.

Just stay aware, that's what I tell myself.

Maia Gabrial
14th July 2011, 22:37
So, the only ones who will feel bad when the economy collapses are the rich because ALL of their money will be worth NOTHING....LOL! I remember seeing a picture of a guy with a barrel of money to buy one loaf of bread.

DNA
15th July 2011, 08:33
Can anyone post the 5 places? I can't do YouTube on my computer with dial-up service. I sure am curious! Thanks.

if your into a doom and gloom fallout scenario...
the video's narrator serves up and suggests these particular locations...
"1. Israel
2. Southern California
3. The island nation of England.
4. The New York City area.
5. The Washington D.C. area - the home of the Federal Reserve."



Thank You Giovanni. :)
Taureen brah,,,,if your going to post something like this, you should summerize the information.
Just saying, I was interested in the info as posted by Giovanni,,,no so much in the 13 minutes it took for the video to spit this information out.

58andfixed
26th October 2011, 01:05
All well said, and I simply selected the core nuggets to highlight as my personal plan as well, for I have a part and it begins with being aware and understanding my part in the whole experience.

Thank you.

- 58



Prepare for the "worst" and hope for the best,

the best thing one can do for themselves is to remain calm and as clear minded as possible,

I'm not preparing for the end times either, just making sure I'm not walking with my inner radar offline and that I got a plan, if the situation calls for one.

Just stay aware, that's what I tell myself.

Carmody
26th October 2011, 01:57
In the old days, you could store gasoline.

With ethanol added in almost all gasoline these days, in the west...., you cannot store gasoline. It simply goes bad, and unusable - in a few months.

Ask yourself if that was accidental or planned.

I'm trying to find ethanol free gasoline, and I can't. People talk about not being able to start cars or anything with an engine, that has been 'stored'.

It's the ethanol, in most cases.

I have a generator in my garage that has real gasoline in it. About 1/4 of a tank. It's been stored, like that.... for about 4 years now. Fires right up.

Sidney
26th October 2011, 03:47
By design Carmody, most likely.

Anchor
26th October 2011, 05:24
In the old days, you could store gasoline.

With ethanol added in almost all gasoline these days, in the west...., you cannot store gasoline. It simply goes bad, and unusable - in a few months.

Ask yourself if that was accidental or planned.

I'm trying to find ethanol free gasoline, and I can't. People talk about not being able to start cars or anything with an engine, that has been 'stored'.

It's the ethanol, in most cases.

I have a generator in my garage that has real gasoline in it. About 1/4 of a tank. It's been stored, like that.... for about 4 years now. Fires right up.


Add fuel preservative to fresh fuels and it will store for 2years instead of 1.

I always store mine in metal jerry cans, as it is safer, and they are very airtight which helps prevent excessive oxidation.

Petrol is a bummer. Its unsafe to store lots of it, IMO.

If you are a die hard prepper, then diesel is the way to go. Even storing diesel is a problem - you need to add some biocides to stop diesel bugs. Try to avoide too much air in your diesel storage tanks as that way water can get into the fuel and bugs grow at the Diesel water interface at the bottom of the tanks. Biocidal treatments work well though. Lots of farmers in Australia know about this as they often store lots of Diesel. They are now learning the need to have locks on those tanks, as Diesel theft is a problem - and underground tanks are not easy to get approval for so everyone knows where they all are.

Ellisa
26th October 2011, 06:11
There will in fact be some people relatively unaffected by this coming crash. People on islands in the Pacific, in the remote deserts (or the remote anywheres), the people who produce their own food and have water, and practice a lifestyle that does not require them to visit supermarkets or drive cars. There are also the people who live in dire and hopeless poverty. At the moment they are despised, but they do survive, which is more than we supermarket shoppers will. I am not talking about survivalists, who seem to be confident they will be ok, but ordinary people who at the moment are living a life that, if these doomsayers are to be believed, we all will be living soon. When I look around me I am surrounded by 'stuff' that I probably don't need and I don't think I'm alone. When I was a little baby in the UK the inhabitants were living on a diet which allowed them about 1000 calories a day. This is close to starvation. But they survived and maybe that is what will have to happen again-- Rationing assets, sharing and helping each other to cope.

Personally I am not convinced it is THE END. We all will have to do more to help ourselves, humans have survived thousands of calamities, they have survived in all corners of the world. I think they will again. Maybe I won't- but the species will.

Endless
26th October 2011, 08:54
it is always good to be prepared stock food it will save money anyhow
however if the dollar falls it is not the end of the world another currency will take its place
the thing about powerful rich people is they like power and riches
mad max would not suit them it would be a level playing field and they don't play that way
it would be sooo easy for them to kill us all at any time yet we are still here
most of what we read is disinfo designed to stop all looking at their governments
if we were to look we might notice the same two governments causing millions of deaths all over the world
we might notice corruption at the top killing our children's future
we might notice how poverty and crime are never solved
how politicians order the world to keep us quiet and docile or so irate we cant think clearly
this wonderful planet can sustain far more than 7 billion most fertile land is fenced off and unused
the power elite would not be powerful or elite without us
i believe there is a change coming not the end of civilization but rather the beginning

PathWalker
26th October 2011, 10:16
All fiat money currencies are about to collapse.
It is your choice to fear or rejoice.
After all the numbers in the bank are virtual. What is important is the immediate moment to moment.

Lord Sidious
26th October 2011, 10:45
All fiat money currencies are about to collapse.
It is your choice to fear or rejoice.
After all the numbers in the bank are virtual. What is important is the immediate moment to moment.

The end of this system and a better one coming is THE reason for us to be happy.
At long last.

jorr lundstrom
26th October 2011, 11:17
All fiat money currencies are about to collapse.
It is your choice to fear or rejoice.
After all the numbers in the bank are virtual. What is important is the immediate moment to moment.

The end of this system and a better one coming is THE reason for us to be happy.
At long last.

Thank you for your sober analysis old Nugget and a welcome to a New World

if we can take it. We will see who is capable to survive during the transition.

eaglespirit
26th October 2011, 11:49
In the old days, you could store gasoline.

With ethanol added in almost all gasoline these days, in the west...., you cannot store gasoline. It simply goes bad, and unusable - in a few months.

Ask yourself if that was accidental or planned.

I'm trying to find ethanol free gasoline, and I can't. People talk about not being able to start cars or anything with an engine, that has been 'stored'.

It's the ethanol, in most cases.

I have a generator in my garage that has real gasoline in it. About 1/4 of a tank. It's been stored, like that.... for about 4 years now. Fires right up.

Hi Carmody...Wishing You Well!

Just noticed Your post about pure gasoline...hope this link helps You find some...don't know where You are but the link is for many locations:

http://pure-gas.org/