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Eric J (Viking)

17th March 2010, 11:25

Carry on from here... http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19056

#2 — IRAS, Planet X and the New York Times

On January 26, 1983, NASA launched the Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) was launched on January 26, 1983. Independent Planet X researchers have long held the idea that the IRAS satellite imaged Planet X during its sky survey.

With that thought in mind, enjoy the following New York Times article published just 4 days after the IRAS launch.

The New York Times
Sunday, January 30, 1983
Clues Get Warm in the Search for Planet X
John Noble Wilford

JPEG Images courtesy of John DiNardo: Page 1, Page 2

Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a large object that may be the long-sought Planet X.

Evidence assembled in recent years has led several groups of astronomers to renew the search for the 10th planet. They are devoting more time to visual observations with the 200-inch telescope at Mount Palomar in California. They are tracking two Pioneer spacecraft, now approaching the orbit of distant Pluto, to see if variations in their trajectories provide clues to the source of the mysterious force. And they are hoping that a satellite-borne telescope launched last week will detect heat “signatures” from the planet, or whatever it is out there.

The Infrared Astronomical Satellite was boosted into a 560-mile-high polar orbit Tuesday night from Vandenberg Air Force Base, CA. It represents an $80-million venture by the United States, Britain and the Netherlands. In the next six or seven months, the telescope is expected to conduct a wide-ranging survey of nearly all the sky, detecting sources not of ordinary light, but of infrared radiation, which is invisible to the human eye and largely absorbed by the atmosphere. Scientists thus hope that the new telescope will chart thousands or infrared-emitting objects that have gone undetected – stars, interstellar clouds, asteroids and, with any luck, the object that pulls at Uranus and Neptune.

The last time a serious search of the skies was made, it led to the discovery in 1930 of Pluto, the ninth planet. But the story begins more than a century before that, after the discovery of Uranus in 1781 by the English astronomer and musician William Herschel. Until then, the planetary system seemed to end with Saturn.

As astronomers observed Uranus, noting irregularities in its orbital path, many speculated that they were witnessing the gravitational pull of an unknown planet. So began the first planetary search based on astronomers’ predictions, which ended in the 1840’s with the discovery of Neptune almost simultaneously by English, French and German astronomers.

But Neptune was not massive enough to account entirely for the orbital behavior of Uranus. Indeed, Neptune itself seemed to be affected by a still more remote planet. In the late 19th century, two American astronomers, William H. Pickering and Percival Lowell, predicted the size and approximate location of the trans-Neptunian body, which Lowell called Planet X.

Years later, Pluto was detected by Clyde W. Tombaugh working at Lowell Observatory in Arizona. Several astronomers, however, suspected it might not be the Planet X of prediction. Subsequent observations proved them right. Pluto was too small to change the orbits of Uranus and Neptune; the combined mass of Pluto and its recently discovered satellite, Charon, is only one-fifth that of Earth’s moon.

Recent calculations by the United States Naval Observatory have confirmed the orbital perturbation exhibited by Uranus and Neptune, which Dr. Thomas C. Van Flandern, an astronomer at the observatory, says could be explained by “a single undiscovered planet.” He and a colleague, Dr. Robert Harrington, calculate that the 10th planet should be two to five times more massive than Earth and have a highly elliptical orbit that takes it some 5 billion miles beyond that of Pluto – hardly next-door but still within the gravitational influence of the Sun.

Some astronomers have reacted cautiously to the 10th-planet predictions. They remember the long, futile quest for the planet Vulcan inside the orbit of Mercury; Vulcan, it turned out, did not exist. They wonder why such a large object as a 10th planet escaped the exhaustive survey by Mr. Tombaugh, who is sure it is not in the two-thirds of the sky he examined. But according to Dr. Ray T. Reynolds of the Ames Research Center in Mountain View, CA, other astronomers “are so sure of the 10th planet, they think there’s nothing left but to name it.”

At a scientific meeting last summer, 10th-planet partisans tended to prevail. Alternative explanations for the outer-planet perturbations were offered. The something out there, some scientists said, might be an unseen black hole or neutron star passing through the Sun’s vicinity. Defenders of the 10th planet parried the suggestions. Material falling into the gravitational field of a black hole, the remains of a very massive star after its complete gravitational collapse, should give off detectable x-rays, they noted; no X-rays have been detected. A neutron star, a less massive star that has collapsed to a highly dense state, should affect the courses of comets, they said, yet no such changes have been observed.

More credence was given to the hypothesis that a “brown dwarf” star accounts for the mysterious force. This is the informal name astronomers give to celestial bodies that were not massive enough for their thermonuclear furnaces to ignite; perhaps like the huge planet Jupiter, they just missed being self-illuminating stars.

Most stars are paired, so it is not unreasonable to suggest that the Sun has a dim companion. Moreover, a brown dwarf in the neighborhood might not reflect enough light to be seen far away, said Dr. John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA. Its gravitational forces, however, should produce energy detectable by the Infrared Astronomical Satellite.

Whatever the mysterious force, be it a brown dwarf or a large planet, Dr. Anderson said he was “quite optimistic” that the infrared telescope might fine it and that the Pioneer spacecraft could supply an estimate of the object’s mass. Of course, no one can be sure that even this discovery would define the outermost boundary of the solar system.

Shortly after we posted this article, John DiNardo must have toasted his library card to the max, because he sent in another great clipping. Oh yah baby, this is the one. The smoking gun!

viking

stardustaquarion

17th March 2010, 14:17

It appears that there are others that think that there will be no pole shift, two that come to mind are Cliff High in his latest STC and The Adashi MCEO Guardian Alliance (see their summary II www.azuritepress)

The explanation that the Adashis have is that the anomalies that we are observing in the solar system are due to the implementation of the Metatronic Death Sciences which intend to cause pole shift and take this planet through a wormhole. That, they say, it is not going to happen. The global warming is attributed to the torsion field (reversed merkaba technologies) that they are applying to the planet. They continue and say that there will be Earth Changes

Additional to that we are in what is a Stelar Activation Cycle, which means that there was suppoused to be a raising in the vibration of Earth and other planets in the solar system to the 4th dimension and blending with Tara (know by us as Alcyone), which is not going to happen due to the fall of the halls of the Amenti in 2003. Also it appears that Tara was invaded and reversed in 2005. But, the effects will be still felt and they are being felt. Some more info http://www.azuritepress.com/faq/faq1.php

The electromagnetic anomalies could be easily be explained by the pull between our dimension and the fourth dimension. My personal conclussion is that what they call "brown dwarf" if actually Tara or its Sun

Cliff only said that the planet is safe, but he also says that we should expect Earth changes

Interesting times! :pop2: :wave: :decision:

yiolas

18th March 2010, 23:29

Eric J (Viking)

19th March 2010, 09:27

'SOUTH AMERICA GETTING READY TO ROLL' ....Today, Gerard is sensing that the time is now to issue a warning. Thus, we issue this warning to those with interests in these areas…get ready NOW! What will occur will move the clock forward to a 7 and will shock the world.

This urgent message just posted on http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/south-america-getting-ready-to

I was just about to post this Yiolas...you beat me to it...It is a very intetresting read and I urge all here to take a peep...

It seems to fit in with many other predictions from other sources!!!

viking

stardustaquarion

19th March 2010, 09:55

I Think that Cheryls assertions are rather alarmist and has no scientific bases. South america is an earthquake prone zone, I know that because I lived there for many years. Yes there is activity and there may be more quakes but we have not had any advisories from the Guardian Alliance to evacuate so.....The only advisory we have is for Galapagos.

Just because there are aftershocks, it does not mean that the plate is going to crake? Pole shift we are not having so...what is she talking about

Geologicaly, it is more likely that there will be a major eathquake in California

I have been told that is there is going to be any natural catastrophe there will be fleets flying by, like prior the big quake in Ica.

http://davidsudworth.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/keep-calm-and-carry-on.png as the British say

Love

stardustaquarion

19th March 2010, 10:04

Eric J (Viking)

19th March 2010, 10:27

stardustaquarion

19th March 2010, 10:55

Yes, it is an example of a UFO that appeared in Chile before the 8,8 earthquake. I am sure there were many more but maybe they were not recorded. It is related to my earlier post in which I say that the GA has indicated that there will be fly byes before Earth Changes

Love

Eric J (Viking)

20th March 2010, 09:58

Hey Stardust .. .what's your opinion on this??

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viking

stardustaquarion

20th March 2010, 11:12

Hi Viking

I think there is a commet, some planets and the triangular kind of thing feels like a battlestation. They can be bigger than a planet sometimes.

Cheers

Eric J (Viking)

20th March 2010, 11:21

Mmmm could be...I wonder if he knows what it is??

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_WkvgyFHpkS4/SmncjZ5oT5I/AAAAAAAAWE0/IoutOLO0rY8/s288/7-18-2009-lookat%20%20nibiru.jpg

:cool:

viking

stardustaquarion

20th March 2010, 11:33

perhaps :hat:

Eric J (Viking)

20th March 2010, 20:46

Perhaps...How about its a dead cert!!

http://api.ning.com/files/wciKXhgHPKkqulgbh4wYCU2gwcqMI3RINGWU-Gaad1OhWaiQh5NaeyUziikbNYB*VijuvJRpUH8ObNnstZqHbjG8Ai0tCHrj/WingedDisk.jpg

viking

MorningSong

20th March 2010, 21:36

uuuuwwwowwww! that is awsome!

Eric J (Viking)

22nd March 2010, 10:12

I suppose we will know by June 2010 if this is all a load of baloney!!!

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viking

irishspirit

7th April 2010, 18:45

Interesting video on Nibiru.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByD3ni8VPic&feature=player_embedded

Very Interesting Presentation Here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_GeAy2MCzc&feature=player_embedded

Playlist here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/FloydAnderson#p/c/415A5FD7AE1694D3/0/q_GeAy2MCzc

Irish Spirit

Gita

7th April 2010, 19:10

I used the coordinated given (6h 42m 8.44, 41 40 18.94) but it's conveniently blocked out by Google. Bless their little hearts. Hmmm!!

Solphilos

7th April 2010, 19:31

I've been watching this object on and off for the past few months, never even considered that that is what it might be. I just checked google sky, and the location that is censored with there little trademark box is the same exact location as the "star" I've been watching. Very, very interesting to say the least. I suggest anyone that doesn't own a telescope to purchase one soon, never know when they may become banned! :p

bashi

7th April 2010, 21:36

Relax, it is Mars. Confirmed!

Kulapops

7th April 2010, 22:03

Erm... Mars is currently just off the two stars at the top of the constellation of Gemini right now. Unmistakeable. Orion is nowhere near this. Actually, Orion's belt is so close to the Horizon in the UK just now (we're at 50+ deg lat) that you'd have a job seeing any stars for houses on the Horizon. So either the chap in the video lives somewhere where he can see Orion clearly or it's not Mars... or... well...it IS Mars and Mars is nowhere near Orion just now...

Need some more facts please, but Mars looks quite bright and orange and high up in the sky just now.

Hello Gita :0)... I'm just passing through.... :0)

K x

bashi

7th April 2010, 22:23

This guy does not know the sky. He can't name surrounding stars. He does not use a common sky-map program downloadable for free. Otherwise he would have found out by himself that it is Mars.

Please consider that the vid was made on the 18th March, not today.
Lock at this vid from the same guy:

XRRKWjg9QOs

Then follow the path of the camera from Orions belt to the star synchronous on a star map. It will lead you EXACTLY to the position of Mars on the 18th March.

The coordinates he is giving are indeed pointing into a black area at google sky near NGC2281. But its not where the star/Mars was on the 18th.

.

Eric J (Viking)

27th April 2010, 15:12

This was just sent to me via my questions with Nasa with regard to anomolies on Soho ect etc ...

They are trying very hard to de-bunk this 2012/Planet x/Nibiru thing!! I wonder why!! What is the 'truth' :confused:

Anyway interesting read and video... have a peep

"Stories about the fictional planet Nibiru and predictions of doomsday in December 2012 have blossomed on the Internet. There are now (June 2009) more than 175 books listed on Amazon.com dealing with the 2012 doomsday. As this hoax spreads, many more disaster scenarios are being suggested. “Ask an Astrobiologist” has received nearly a thousand questions about Nibiru and 2012, with more than 200 answers posted. Many new questions are similar to those already answered. Following is a list of the most popular “Twenty Questions” organized in a logical succession and answered in some detail."

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers

viking

Thodin303

27th April 2010, 15:25

That was interesting. I was never "worried" about 2012, I defiantly don't feel it is a doom and gloom thing. I am excited and happy to be where I am at this moment. :cool:

Solphilos

27th April 2010, 15:30

SteveX

27th April 2010, 15:56

It is hilarious how they beat around the bush when it comes to such things.

Notice how they deny the existence of a "planet x", and the Dec 21 2012 date as the "end of the world".

They do not mention Nemesis, and do not deny that there may be a secondary sun, or cold dwarf lurking out there. They never really deny the truth, only technicalities. There is a mysterious body out there that may be a part of our solar system, but it is not a planet.
There could be great cataclysmic events affecting our planet in the near future, but it won't be on the specific date of 12-21-12, and it won't be caused by the non-existent planet.
Technically, they are correct :p

FROM THE LIST OF QUESTIONS UNDER THE VIDEO IN THE LINK.

18. Can you prove to me that Nibiru is a hoax? There are so many reports that something terrible will happen in 2012. I need proof because the government and NASA are keeping so much from us.

It is not logical to ask for proof that the 2012 doomsday is a hoax. Your questions should be to the doomsday advocates to prove that what they are saying is true, not to NASA to prove it is false. If someone claimed on the Internet that there were 50-foot tall purple elephants walking through Cleveland, would anyone expect NASA to prove this wrong? The burden of proof falls on those who make wild claims. Remember the often-quoted comment from Carl Sagan that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary levels of evidence if they are to be believed.

However, I think that astronomers have reached the point where we can offer extremely strong arguments that Nibiru does not exist. A large planet (or a brown dwarf) in our solar system would have been known to astronomers for many years, both indirectly from its gravitational perturbations on other objects and by direct detection in the infrared. The NASA Infrared Astronomy Satellite (IRAS) carried out the first all-sky survey in 1983, and several subsequent surveys would also have seen Nibiru if it were there. Further, if a large mass passed through the inner solar system every 3600 years, we would see its disruptive effects on the orbits of the inner planets, and we don’t.

You don’t need to take my word for it. Just use common sense. Have you seen Nibiru? In 2008 many websites said it would be visible to the naked eye in spring 2009. If a large planet or brown dwarf were headed for the inner solar system in 2012, it would already be tracked by hundreds of thousands of astronomers, professional and amateur, all over the world. Do you know any amateur astronomers who are watching it? Have you seen any photos or discussion of it in the big popular astronomy magazines like Sky & Telescope? Just think about it. No one could hide Nibiru if it existed.

JoshERTW

27th April 2010, 16:50

This article was a headline this morning on Discovery news, now I can't find it in their listing of recent articles at all. Had to go back through browsing history to find the link, transcript below in case the get rid of it (original link: http://news.discovery.com/space/rogue-brown-dwarf-lurks-in-our-cosmic-neighborhood.html)

Brown dwarf-hunting astronomers have reported the discovery of a "failed star" located within 10 light-years from Earth. This makes it the nearest brown dwarf and one of ten nearest stellar objects to our solar system. Although its location isn't entirely unexpected (it is thought that the galaxy is stuffed full of these objects), the chemical composition of its atmosphere is a bit of a conundrum.

UGPSJ0722-05 is all by itself, floating through interstellar space, possibly having formed there on its lonesome, or kicked out of its host star system by an ancient gravitational game of stellar pinball. How it got there may not ever be known, but its close proximity allows astronomers to carry out detailed analysis of the object.

And what they found was a surprise.

Philip Lucas at the University of Hertfordshire, UK, and his international team are part of the UKIDSS Galactic Plane Survey, a program that uses the UK Infrared Telescope (UKIRT) in Hawaii to hunt for objects that glow in infrared.

Brown dwarfs are too small to initiate nuclear fusion in their cores for long periods (so they're not stars), but they are distinct from planets too. Their interior has a convective motion of material, ensuring it is constantly being mixed up, preventing chemicals from settling -- chemical differentiation is a planetary trait. Therefore, brown dwarfs are often considered to be the "bridge" between the most massive planets (Jupiter-like gas giants) and the smallest stars.

As brown dwarfs are technically "failed stars," they are naturally very dim in visible wavelengths, but they do emit in infrared, radiation the UKIDSS survey is sensitive to.

The UKIRT has already detected many cool brown dwarfs, but UGPSJ0722-05 appears to be the coolest ever discovered. It could have a surface temperature as low as 400 Kelvin, even cooler than the team's previous record of slightly below 500 K (see "Brown Dwarf Hunt Hits Record Low").

Using the Gemini Observatory, follow-up spectroscopic analysis has detected methane and water vapor in its atmosphere. As pointed out by the arXiv blog, the presence of organic compounds will surely get astrobiologists talking.

Oddly, when looking at the spectrum from UGPSJ0722-05, there is an anomalous absorption line (i.e. a particular wavelength in the electromagnetic spectrum that is missing) that cannot be explained by our current understanding of brown dwarfs. Perhaps the UKIRT has discovered a new breed of brown dwarf; a very cool object with some chemical in its atmosphere that absorbs infrared radiation at a wavelength of 1.25 micrometers.

This is definitely one brown dwarf to keep a close eye on.

Mandala

28th April 2010, 01:54

My question is why are countries working 24/7 to complete underground bases. I personally have no proof, only what I have heard from whistle-blower testimony. What are they expecting to happen? Planet X, Pole shift, crustal displacement, nuclear war, CME.... If you have read the Norwegian politician's letter (Project Camelot) and believe there is an ounce of truth in it, he says they have furiously working on underground bases that can house 40% of their population. So what do they know....and what are they hiding? Not that we can do anything about it, but I am keeping an eye on things.

Eric J (Viking)

28th April 2010, 08:30

Yes I agree Mandala ... Why would they be building those? Also what about all the ancient scriptures and ancient clay tablets that depict the 10 planets... ect etc ... All the sciptures mention this...maybe with a different name...!!

Still to many unanswered questions!!!

Personally I would take whatever NASA says with a pinch of salt!!

viking

EYES WIDE OPEN

28th April 2010, 13:47

http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.4584 Download on the right.

Persistent Evidence of a Jovian Mass Solar Companion in the Oort Cloud

Authors: John J. Matese, Daniel P. Whitmire

(Submitted on 26 Apr 2010)

Abstract: We present an updated dynamical and statistical analysis of outer Oort cloud cometary evidence suggesting the sun has a wide-binary Jovian mass companion. The results support a conjecture that there exists a companion of mass ~ 1-4 M_Jup orbiting in the innermost region of the outer Oort cloud. Our most restrictive prediction is that the orientation angles of the orbit normal in galactic coordinates are centered on the galactic longitude of the ascending node Omega = 319 degree and the galactic inclination i = 103 degree (or the opposite direction) with an uncertainty in the normal direction subtending ~ 2% of the sky. A Bayesian statistical analysis suggests that the probability of the companion hypothesis is comparable to or greater than the probability of the null hypothesis of a statistical fluke. Such a companion could also have produced the detached Kuiper Belt object Sedna. The putative companion could be easily detected by the recently launched Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE).

zelda

28th April 2010, 14:16

Please!!! In plain English, can you let us know what is going on?
Some of us are not erudites :)

Solphilos

28th April 2010, 14:44

They basically have found bits of evidence that may support Nemesis theory, or the existence of a companion to our sun. Not great evidence, but WISE(Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer ) is expected to give us more information.
Again, this is not a confirmation of anything, but is just a clue to keep us interested in the notion and anxiously awaiting news from WISE.

Richard

28th April 2010, 14:48

lol @ erudites

What they are basically saying is there is persistent evidence that a Jupiter sized body is inside the Oort Cloud.
The cloud surrounds our region of space outside our solar system.

http://www.astro.rug.nl/%7Eetolstoy/ACTUEELONDERZOEK/JAAR2000/oort/oort_cloud.gif

http://www.harmsy.freeuk.com/oimages/oort_cloud.jpg

MorningSong

28th April 2010, 15:14

Sounds very very interesting...

Thanks Eyes Wide Open!

zelda

28th April 2010, 15:47

Ahhhh, you see; Baby steps. With graph and info. Thank you so much Richard, Thank you so much Solphilos.

bashi

28th April 2010, 17:03

The result of this analysis is: Something can be out there with a high probability. It’s a lot of statistics with some data matching, while others is not.
But if assuming a large body out there, its likely to be:

“Thus we adopt an approximate range of perturber parameters 1MJ < Mp < 2MJ for a _ 30, 000AU extending to 2MJ < Mp < 4MJ for a _ 10, 000AU.”

That mass causes maybe weak stellar showers every 15 Million years which lasts 2 Million years :

“Matese and Lissauer (2002) investigated the frequency of weak stellar showers as well as the patterns of discernable OOC comet orbital elements. They found that stellar showers that produce a _ 20% peak enhancement in the background tidal flux occur with a frequency of approximately once every 15 Myr. The half-maximum duration is _ 2 Myr. Thus it is only moderately unlikely that we are presently in a weak stellar shower of this magnitude.”

“Modeling (Matese and Lissauer ( 2002)) had been performed including single stellar impulses
which mapped the comet flux over a time interval of 5 Myr, in 0.1 Myr intervals. Peak impulsive
enhancements _ 20% were found to have a half-maximum duration of _ 2 Myr and occurred with a mean time interval of _ 15 Myr”

These results are referring to a 1000 times longer time periodic phenomena, not to a 3600 or 26000 year period. It can not cause meteoric showers during a human lifetime, but an increase in occasionally hitting meteors during Millions of years.

Sorry folks, no Nemesis/Nibiru/Planet X; at least not because of this publication.

lightblue

28th April 2010, 17:08

don't feel sorry, it's great news :p

EYES WIDE OPEN

29th April 2010, 17:21

I think it is a mistake to dismiss this info so casually. It seems there is SOMETHING huge unseen in space. Because its orbit does not fit the litterer, it does not mean there is nothing there.

Eric J (Viking)

7th July 2010, 10:36

Not sure what this is....Many have said that we would start to see Planet X by June/July !!!

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/photos/a-view-of-the-sun-via-welder-s-glasses/489613-1-eng-US/A-View-of-the-Sun-via-Welder-s-Glasses_photo_medium.jpg

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/photo-of-the-day

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http://api.ning.com/files/agh8zDExQkwIrAoElZDQcYpSZMuJY16kep4mkvEz4XT16lAhU92-xkzm*gF9QfNQ3cbBHml9KaUBcVu42Di1JXfI9A5U0Gkw/pxAddedbyTonyRuizonJuly42010at340pm.jpg

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Interesting thread here...start from page 7 !!!
http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/we-finally-found-it-in-slc-ut?xg_source=msg_com_blogpost&id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A92430&page=7#comments

viking

Bill Ryan

7th July 2010, 11:05

Hi, All:

Click here for images of what are known as sundogs. (http://www.google.com/images?q=sundogs&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=PV80TL_RCc6HOKy52PwB&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CDwQsAQwBA)

(also images below, from the Wikipedia sundog page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog))

If Planet X was visible to the naked eye, anywhere, at any time, tens of thousands of amateur astronomers all over the world - under no-one's control - would be screaming from the rooftops.

The circumstantial evidence seems to suggest that there is a massive object somewhere near Jupiter's orbit (at the moment) which is NOT radiating in the visible spectrum, but which has a bright infrared signature.

That's why there are several infrared satellites up there now that all seem to be looking out for something specific - there's a lot of money, time and expertise being spent on this. They'd not do this if they could take photos with a digital camera!

http://projectavalon.net/sundogs.jpg

Eric J (Viking)

7th July 2010, 11:29

Thanks Bill, yes I am aware of sun dogs... it does get a bit confusing...I have personally seen sun dogs myself a couple of times...and yes they do look like a solid body!!...

Not sure if the pics I posted above are sun dogs though...what you normally find with a sun dog is that they are directly to the right or left of the sun... and a distance as well...

viking

Bill Ryan

7th July 2010, 14:43

what you normally find with a sun dog is that they are directly to the right or left of the sun... and a distance as well...

Not always... they simply appear as a smaller second sun. You can have all kinds of atmospheric effects and distortions.

People send me cellphone camera photos of 'Planet X' every few weeks. I always have to explain patiently that it wouldn't be visible to the naked eye, would not be that close to the sun, and that the amateur astronomers would be shrieking from the rooftops way before now if such an object were actually there and visible to the naked eye.

I do think there may be something coming in from the outer solar system - but (assuming so) it radiates in the infrared, and is still quite a long way out yet.

The more time elapses before we hear anything about it, the less chance it will appear before 2013. It's a GOOD sign that so far (July 2010) we've seen and heard nothing at all. (And if it does exist, and when it does become visible, it'll first be sighted in the Southern Hemisphere.)

As I mentioned in another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3639-The-pole-shift-and-3-days-of-darkness&p=32428&viewfull=1#post32428), Bob Dean's 2017 date might prove to be closer. The only thing we can do is wait and see, and read between the lines of statements (and actions) of the PTB.

Eric J (Viking)

7th July 2010, 15:16

Yes you are absolutely right...but the vast majority of sunspots are normally positioned like that...

anyone interested in this topic check here...

http://www.lochlyn.org/images/c13f5.jpg

Some reading here...
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lochlyn.org/images/c13f5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lochlyn.org/chap13.htm&usg=__6SgN9DbXEKQbYVSH_2eZN7Rmm9o=&h=539&w=730&sz=53&hl=en&start=23&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=PEeyWcGTDstARM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsun%2Bdogs%26start%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

pics...please note the pictures do not resemble what I posted previously...
http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=sun+dogs&um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&ei=m5c0TOqdO9fPjAfn0angBw&sa=N&start=20&ndsp=20

See the difference here...taken in 2004 ... supposedly PX !!
http://planetxprophecies.com/images/planetxfeb04_2.jpg

Yes, it is a good sign that we haven't heard as yet...!

I'll keep on trucking...

viking

onawah

14th July 2010, 04:21

I've posted this before, but I still think it's relevant and very interesting.
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2009/07/physicist-nassim-harameinnibiru-has.html

Eric J (Viking)

14th July 2010, 09:00

Interesting research by Nancy Leider on PX

On July 11, 2010 there was a total eclipse of the Sun, visible in a swatch across the South Seas and Chili. Up until July 11, 2010 no certain glimpse of Planet X had occurred during an eclipse. But on July 11, those hoping for a revelation hit the jackpot. Planet X is seen in the Northern Hemisphere to the RIGHT of the Sun, along the line of the Ecliptic. All this is reversed in the Southern Hemisphere. That said, where should Planet X have been appearing in the South Seas at approximately 20:00 UTC?

http://api.ning.com/files/V3UFbTf*fAaUoJr1Pdy*zxPweQlJf9131E17E32049KXuCaN6*jbzLWD5y8Ozm5vuVmtW*QU8QrDetkW2Wk*NSt8TqN45MeM/issue482.jpg

The second obvious maneuver by the establishment was to close down all webcams, regardless of where the stream was originating from, promptly after the eclipse. These included, but were not limited to, the following sites from French Polynesia, Tahiti, and Pascua Island off coast of Chile:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-eclipse1/v3
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tahiti-eclipse-2010-july-11th
http://eclipse.astromatica.es/
The Moon moved across the Sun from the left, so the start of the eclipse was not a worry for the establishment. Planet X was being eclipsed, as the pre-eclipse shot from French Polynesia below shows. But almost instantly after the full eclipse, when Planet X could be expected to EMERGE at the right, all webcams went DOWN.
http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/webcam-in-chile-chaiten
All of them, worldwide, like clockwork.

I thought they were going to show the whole thing. I liked the way they went out of focus toward the end, too.
[and from another]
Was watching 3 different feeds and the streams were stopped dead on the total eclipse and flare which would have revealed much.

The moment just before the cams went dead revealed a light source AT THE 11:00 O’CLOCK POSITION.

The moment prior, no such light source had been showing, proving that the webcams went dead to prevent the public from seeing evidence of the presence of Planet X.

http://api.ning.com/files/OXc53JWFy1hMenu7-BTe6iigIZy5D0aos5rHVlqmcWhkEOKm4QdQhU3x8FSP0MZO0EMWqL3s3k812eorEz-cDdxn0toiVhRD/issue476.jpg

full article here...
http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/july-11-2010-eclipse-reveals

viking

Bill Ryan

14th July 2010, 10:09

Interesting research by Nancy Leider on PX

Nancy Lieder doesn't do research!

This is a small CME : a Coronal Mass Ejection (http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/CMEs.shtml).

Here's the original image.

http://projectavalon.net/eclipse_11_July_2010.jpg

Eric J (Viking)

20th July 2010, 09:51

Not sure if this is the Dwarf folks are talking about??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbYhUOzfwkQ&playnext_from=TL&videos=tJd-4U7Wpgo

viking

yiolas

25th July 2010, 08:58

Hi Guys, There's a bit of news on the Earth Changes and Pole Shift site
http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A127735&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post&page=2#comments

This lady and her husband were travellling along the Alberta, Canada U.S. boarder when they spoted this with their bare eyes, then took a picture.

This is how she describes the moment: "I took the photo in southern Alberta near the US. boarder, about 1o days ago while my husband and I were driving back from the Calgary Stampede. The picture was taken from our car. My husband saw it first and gave me his sunglasses, my mouth dropped open when I saw it! "

It would be nice if someone could do a search to see what planets could be seen just above the western horizon at sunset in the area of Alberta, Canada about 10 days ago. This might rule any planets out. I think that the only optical illusion here is that being near the horizon it makes it look larger than it really is.
It does not look like a sun dog because it is partially obscured by the clouds.
What do you guys think ?

Here is the picture:

Eric J (Viking)

25th July 2010, 10:02

Hi Yiola ...yes that looks pretty convincing, I saw that article as well....I have noticed that more and more folks are looking to the skies these days and noticing strange anomolies...thats a good link for info regarding Planet X and there are loads of piccies of these strange bodies in the skies!!! And there are not all sun dogs!!!

If there is something up there then I am sure we will see more and more!!!

viking

Eric J (Viking)

25th July 2010, 10:07

Oh incidentely there is an interesting discussion going on here http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/planet-x?id=3863141%3ABlogPost%3A127735&page=4#comments whether it is Planet X or not!!!

viking

Solace

25th July 2010, 10:19

Eric J (Viking)

25th July 2010, 11:03

Yeah, sure. It must be Planet-X!!!!! Thousands and thousands of astronomers watching the sky right now, and they can't notice a ****** huge planet? This whole Planet-X thing is ridiculous, imo. This is the best way to discredit a forum. Way to go!

Ok clever clogs...lets try to discredit the photo?? What do you think it is?? Intelligently of course!!

viking

Bill Ryan

25th July 2010, 11:09

Ok clever clogs...lets try to discredit the photo?? What do you think it is?? Intelligently of course!!

viking

Viking, the sunset photo is a sundog - we've had this conversation before on other threads!!

yiolas

25th July 2010, 11:39

Eric J (Viking)

25th July 2010, 11:51

Bill, yes we have had this discussion before and I had stated that sun dogs are directly in line east and west ... not sitting slightly below the sun...

Now this is what a typical sun dog looks like here

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k69/watertiger/450WEATHER_SUN_DOG_WHSE101_55819002.jpg

I'm not saying that is Planet X ...but what I am saying, in my humble opinion it is not a sun dog!!!

viking

Bill Ryan

25th July 2010, 12:00

Hi everyone ! With all due respect Bill, how can it be a sundog when the person capturing the photo says that she saw it with her bare eyes before taking the picture ? Unless she is lying !
I think the sundog explanation is not correct.
I will get back soon with planet positions in that general area and time ?

Excuse me Solace why can't we have an open discussion about the topic of Planet X ?
Are you or is anyone else 100% sure that it does not exist ? Does it expressly state in the by-laws of the forum that we cannot discuss and explore this topic.

Hi there -

Yes, I do think 'Planet X' may well exist. It may be a brown dwarf star. See Andy Lloyd's excellent website http://www.darkstar1.co.uk. I've talked at length with Bill Deagle about this personally.

If it's a brown dwarf, it radiates in the infrared and is maybe somewhere around the orbit of Jupiter, sweeping in form the south. That's one very plausible reason for the SPT (the South Pole Telescope).

a) There's no way it's going to be right next to the sun - it would have been noticed in the last eclipse! And if it was this close we'd certainly know about it as the geophysical effects would be significant (and that may be an understatement).

b) No-one's going to take snapshot of it with a digital camera at sunset, and take tens of thousands of amateur astronomers completely by surprise!

c) Sunset is when sundogs almost always appear. They can be seen with the naked eye, and are not a lens flare artifact - they are formed by refractions between cloud layers (basically). They're like a sort of mirage (again, very basically). They DO usually look like the image Viking posted - but not always.

yiolas

25th July 2010, 12:12

I went to the Stardone at Astronomy.com . Input Alberta,Canada Date: July 15, 2010 . This is what I got. Go to the link yourself and plug in the information.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/stardome/default.aspx

PDF picture of the web page, using above info.

1539

Eric J (Viking)

25th July 2010, 12:15

hello again ...

I have just gone through 15 pages of sun dogs here http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=sun%20dog&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi and not one of them looks like the picture Yiola has posted...They are 2 different things, as I have said before I have seen sun dogs on many occasions and the picture Yiola has presented in my opinion is not sun dog!!

viking

Operator

25th July 2010, 14:20

I am absolutely no astronomer ... but my logic tells me that half a year later we are at the other side from the sun. IF this would be an object approaching from the direction
of he sun at one time it should be "in our backside view" half a year later. And this 'object' seems always to be near the sun ...

The only thing that (in theory) would hold is an object with the same orbital time like earth opposite to our relative (to the sun) position. With the (amateur) astronomers getting
better and better you would think that they would even find a brown dwarf if it was within our solar system.

Maybe there is another theory possible that is not even discussed here ... our thought pattern is about objects that we can see and are supposed to approach our solar system ...
The film "2010, the year we make contact" came to mind ... what if an object would enter our solar system "stargate style" ?

Bill Ryan

25th July 2010, 14:33

what if an object would enter our solar system "stargate style" ?

Would be like dropping a very big rock in the gravitational pond... I think we would feel the splash!

observer

25th July 2010, 15:14

Perhaps I can shed some light on this subject from the perspective of an observer:

First of all, the image one sees on free internet programs like GoogleSky, Space Telescope, etc. are (for the most part) several years old. The combined image is a collage of multiple surveys of our universe. These images come from many different sources.

To assume one of the air shafts in the pyramids could point to Planet X is ludicrous. The constellation Orion moves across the night sky; just as all the other constellations move across the sky. Orion is just to the South of the "plane of the ecliptic" in the area of Cancer, Pisces and Taurus. Once a year (for a period of several months) Orion can be seen crossing the night sky; each night progressing a little further from the East to the West - right along with its relationship to Cancer, Pisces and Taurus. To view a celestial body within the constellation of Orion from an air shaft in the Pyramid, one would need the ability to turn the pyramid structure on at least two axis - just like a telescope.

Orion is generally considered a Northern constellation, i.e. predominantly visible from the Northern Hemisphere. The alleged path of Nibiru/Planet X is said to be a long period elliptical orbit only visible (at this time) from the Southern Hemisphere. Any object discovered in the area of Orion from the Northern Hemisphere in 1982, and on an incoming trajectory to the center of our solar system, would (long ago) have passed out of sight from any location in the Northern Hemisphere.

Planets of our solar system always appear within the "Plane of the Elliptic" (that same narrow band where the constellations of the Zodiac appear). Whenever prominent planets appear in the sky (for instance Mars or Venus) the internet is filled with uninformed reports of Nibiru. I've been observing this phenomenon since I first got a computer in the late nineties.

Trust my observations. There are thousands of professional and armature astronomers watching the night sky each and every night. If there were a Planet X within our inner solar system, "real" evidence of it would be all over the Net.

Please, learn at least the basics before you post. It saves so much time for others interested in the topic....

Eric J (Viking)

25th July 2010, 17:20

Perhaps I can shed some light on this subject from the perspective of an observer:

Trust my observations. There are thousands of professional and armature astronomers watching the night sky each and every night. If there were a Planet X within our inner solar system, "real" evidence of it would be all over the Net.
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Please, learn at least the basics before you post. It saves so much time for others interested in the topic....

Hey thanks for your input Observer...but no one has answered Yiolas last post...I think we have esatablished that it is not a sun dog...but what is it???

As to your above statement, secrets can be kept and astronomers sign national security oaths because they get to use equipment that see UFO's!

Think about it!! Do we have the truth about the alien presence??

This one looks real...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfTI70CN4pw&feature=related

viking

Lyricus

25th July 2010, 18:44

Would be like dropping a very big rock in the gravitational pond... I think we would feel the splash!

This is true, but some would say that we are beginning to feel the effects of this being played off as global warming/climate change [a miss-direction].

I would say this, what do we hope to achieve by exposing this truth? Yes, on one hand we would be making the world aware of the pending cataclysm [because this is what we WOULD be facing] and giving the global populace time to prepare for such an event [although from what I have researched it would be closing time here on planet earth]. For example,; if I were told that Nibiru was on the horizon- fact- I wouldn't be turning up for work tomorrow i'd go straight over to Milletts to buy up all there survival gear then a quick stop off at Tesco to grab all and everything in a tin! I would imagine that the rest of the human race would be doing something similar.

The entire planet would take a nose dive in the space of 48 hours! This doesn't detract from the greater picture however what we would be looking at is the end of the world and as a husband and a father of two I for one am not savouring such a prospect. The whole talk of Nibiru scares the living S**T out of me. Instead I look for plausible relief in the form of a good Nibiru debunking!

All that is being relayed here is quite simply horrifying beyond words....

pimpom

25th July 2010, 19:14

Lyricus

25th July 2010, 19:28

blue777

25th July 2010, 19:30

you clever young man you......
lol
blue

Lyricus

25th July 2010, 19:40

There's hope for the human race yet!!

blue777

25th July 2010, 19:45

There's hope for the human race yet!!

Do I fit into this scenario
lol
blue

Lyricus

25th July 2010, 19:52

Of course you do! Absolutely you do ;)

Eric J (Viking)

25th July 2010, 20:03

I don't expect everyone to be computer geeks, but a quick lookup shows that the images was altered in Adobe Photoshop CS3 and no information regarding camera exists, so the photo is not an original.

http://www.ypper.se/sunset.png

Hate to be a party pooper guys...but this is the response from the photo owner!!

quote...
"The photo was taken with a non digital 15 year old 35mm camera. I took them to drugstore developer to be made into a disc. My husband uploaded it for me, I have no idea how to that.He said he ran the pics through photo shop to reduce them in size, red eye reduction and what not. Does that help any"

Keep on trucking...

Hi Mr H ... hope ur well ;-) try harder!! LOL

viking

observer

25th July 2010, 20:05

...but no one has answered Yiolas last post...I think we have esatablished that it is not a sun dog...but what is it???
viking,

All I get when I go to the pdf file link that Yiolas posted is a star map showing the current location of the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, The Moon, and Saturn. These are all depicted on that map in the exact location where one would find them in the current night sky. What is it about this star map that you need explained?

...As to your above statement, secrets can be kept and astronomers sign national security oaths because they get to use equipment that see UFO's!

This part of your comment only addresses a small portion of the astronomers that are watching the night sky. What about all the astronomy clubs around the country. How about all the individuals that have their own equipment? Or, all of the universities where students sit for hundreds of hours per evening scanning the night skies? Are they too signing security oaths?

...Think about it!! Do we have the truth about the alien presence??
As of this particular moment, the majority of the Mass of Humanity has some understanding about the alien presence. It is only a matter of time before those with the actual evidence come forward with enough of that evidence to substantiate the fact.

I'm grasping for understanding as to what the "alien presence" has to do with a debate as to weather Nibiru is currently within the inner solar system (the actual point of this particular Thread)

Of course we are all being lied to !!! The greatest lie within this particular Thread, is that Nibiru is somewhere within the inner solar system. [Note: Representing obvious sun dogs as an apparition of Nibiru is the same thing as saying Nibiru is somewhere within the inner solar system.]

...This one looks real...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfTI70CN4pw&feature=related

All I can say about this "head-banger" video is.... you gotta be kidding !!!

Eric J (Viking)

25th July 2010, 20:10

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! 'BINGO'!!

Hate to be a party pooper guys...but this is the response from the photo owner!!

quote...
"The photo was taken with a non digital 15 year old 35mm camera. I took them to drugstore developer to be made into a disc. My husband uploaded it for me, I have no idea how to that.He said he ran the pics through photo shop to reduce them in size, red eye reduction and what not. Does that help any"

Keep on trucking...

Hi Mr H ... hope ur well ;-) try harder!! LOL

ooops just noticed I have double posted...hey ho ...

Edit...
Thanks Observer I've read your comments...very good...well done...!

viking

Lyricus

25th July 2010, 20:18

Hate to be a party pooper guys...but this is the response from the photo owner!!

quote...
"The photo was taken with a non digital 15 year old 35mm camera. I took them to drugstore developer to be made into a disc. My husband uploaded it for me, I have no idea how to that.He said he ran the pics through photo shop to reduce them in size, red eye reduction and what not. Does that help any"

Keep on trucking...

Hi Mr H ... hope ur well ;-) try harder!! LOL

ooops just noticed I have double posted...hey ho ...

Edit...
Thanks Observer I've read your comments...very good...well done...!

viking

This is where my research gets a bit 'thin'! but I'm going to throw it in the ring anyway....

Is it right that Nibiru [the destroyer] is a brown dwarf star? Such bodies can be seen using infra-red? If this is indeed the case then why is it [allegedly] visible to the human eye as a bright burning star just shy of the sun? and why is it only visable to the side of the Sun? Why not 180 degrees from the Sun? Now if I saw that gleaming on its own -I'd be heading off to Milletts NOW [then Tesco of course] ;)

Deega

25th July 2010, 21:38

I don't expect everyone to be computer geeks, but a quick lookup shows that the images was altered in Adobe Photoshop CS3 and no information regarding camera exists, so the photo is not an original.

http://www.ypper.se/sunset.png

Hi Pimpon,

I downloaded, and saved the photo.

I opened it up in Photoshop CS3, clicked on "information" and it said: "Created July 24 2010 at 18:07:10 hour", with another line under, it was mentioned "Modified July 24, 2010 at 18:10:26 hour". It confirms your post.

All my blessings.

Deega

MiguelQ

25th July 2010, 22:37

you clever young man you......
lol
blue

it means nothing..sometimes i open the pics on photoshop just to resize or crop excess.. so it would be a raw large image with 4 mb.. for exmple..
so. photoshop profs nothing.. its a hint , but does not mean its faked..
we just need to compare to the original now!

yiolas

25th July 2010, 23:11

O.K. by this time I’m ready to call it a day, and I’ve had a full one. Even though it’s Sunday, I’ve cleaned out the chicken coop, washed the dogs, cleaned the house, done the laundry, taken my Mom to the hospital twice within 24 hours because she keeps bumping into things and has needed stitches each time, went to a wedding and all the while pondering this thread all day.

All of you have been very kind to give your opinions. I still have questions and from what I understand, I am not alone . Viking has been trying to approach this topic as well.

There's no way it's going to be right next to the sun - it would have been noticed in the last eclipse! And if it was this close we'd certainly know about it as the geophysical effects would be significant (and that may be an understatement.
1. Question: Did you watch the eclipse on-line from beginning to end? Is that video feed still available from beginning to end? Have there not been major earthquakes and volcanoes since the beginning of the year?

No-one's going to take snapshot of it with a digital camera at sunset, and take tens of thousands of amateur astronomers completely by surprise!

Trust my observations. There are thousands of professional and armature astronomers watching the night sky each and every night. If there were a Planet X within our inner solar system, "real" evidence of it would be all over the Net.
2. Question: Why aren’t these thousands of astronomers letting us know about the ufo’s they have been observing?

3. Given that this picture is authentic and that there were no major planets in the vicinity on that day, what can this object be in the picture at 4 o’clock?

4. I would like to know why strange anomalies appear on NASA telescopes all the time in just one or two frames, and then they mysteriously disappear.

5. I would like to know why the moon speeds across the sky on one night, then on another night takes all night to make the same trip.

6. I would also like to know why there are all these whistle blowers about black ops, hidden world controllers and alien encounters and then we don’t have anyone talking about the doctored telescope feeds that are presented to the public.

From what I understand, Nibiru is not the dwarf twin of our sun, but is a planet that revolves around the sun's twin. Therefore, it can be seen by the naked eye and not just by infra-red.

Alas, I am not an astronomer, but I consider myself an eager student. I would be very much obliged if I could receive answers to these questions.

Operator

25th July 2010, 23:18

If this is indeed the case then why is it [allegedly] visible to the human eye as a bright burning star just shy of the sun? and why is it only visable to the side of the Sun? Why not 180 degrees from the Sun?

Right, as I posted earlier ... half a year later you will be at the other side of the sun .... i.e you would be at least 2 AU closer to the object .... so it should even be bigger by that time.
Well if you have seen it I would have seen it too ... not gonna happen. There might be something brewing (they didn't dig those tunnels just for fun and more and more observatories
seem to carefully watch the sun) but this isn't it ...

pimpom

25th July 2010, 23:29

it means nothing..sometimes i open the pics on photoshop just to resize or crop excess.. so it would be a raw large image with 4 mb.. for exmple..
so. photoshop profs nothing.. its a hint , but does not mean its faked..
we just need to compare to the original now!

It means nothing? ..

It means that the image is not an original and therefor cannot be seen as fact or evidence, as you usually like in this kind of community. I'm not saying it's false, but for bizarre thing as "Could this really be Planet X" you'd like some prooven facts or evidence, not a image showing trails of Photoshop - but hey, that's maybe just me.

PS it sure do mean something.

Bill Ryan

25th July 2010, 23:47

1. Question: Did you watch the eclipse on-line from beginning to end? Is that video feed still available from beginning to end? Have there not been major earthquakes and volcanoes since the beginning of the year?

No. But here's a good high-resolution photo.

http://projectavalon.net/eclipse_11_July_2010.jpg

Here's the video. Nothing else there apart from the sun and the moon.

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Eclipses are always watched by thousands of astronomers (amateur and professional) from all over the world.

Earthquakes and volcanoes, yes. It's not disputed that there are Earth changes brewing. Planet X might even be a factor. It's arguable that a massive body like a dwarf star, even as far out as Jupiter's orbit, would be disturbing the electromagnetic balance of the solar system (and the behavior of the sun) to some degree.

No-one's denying Planet X here. I and others are just pointing out that assuming it exists out there somewhere (a) it's certainly not right next to the sun, and (b) you're not going to scoop the entire astronomical community with a pocket-sized digital camera one sunset.

If the controllers could take photos of an dangerous and problematic incoming object that easily, they could have saved a heck of a lot of money on satellite-based infrared telescopes - as well as the 24/7 activity at the South Pole. I mean, all they need to do is nip out with their iPhone camera at sunset!

2. Question: Why aren’t these thousands of astronomers letting us know about the ufo’s they have been observing?

That's a good question. They might not have been observing any - though that too is hard to explain. I can understand that an astronomer might be reluctant to report a UFO sighting publicly. But usually, astronomers are REALLY keen to put their names to the identification of new astronomical objects.

There is great kudos and status and competition there. There's a big celebration when someone discovers a major new comet, for instance... Planet X would be 1000 times as important. Maybe much more than that.

3. Given that this picture is authentic and that there were no major planets in the vicinity on that day, what can this object be in the picture at 4 o’clock?

It's an authentic picture (I assume) - but is almost certainly an atmospheric refraction anomaly.

4. I would like to know why strange anomalies appear on NASA telescopes all the time in just one or two frames, and then they mysteriously disappear.

I don't doubt this, but do you have a reference? Are you talking about SOHO?

5. I would like to know why the moon speeds across the sky on one night, then on another night takes all night to make the same trip.

I don't think I can answer this question........!!!

6. I would also like to know why there are all these whistle blowers about black ops, hidden world controllers and alien encounters and then we don’t have anyone talking about the doctored telescope feeds that are presented to the public.

Which doctored telescope feeds? (Again, not doubting what you're saying, but I need a reference to better understand what you're describing. Do you mean blanked-out areas of Google Sky?)

From what I understand, Nibiru is not the dwarf twin of our sun, but is a planet that revolves around the sun's twin. Therefore, it can be seen by the naked eye and not just by infra-red.

Where did you hear that from? You may be referring to Andy Lloyd's theory (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk) that there may be a rocky planet (or two, or three) orbiting an incoming brown dwarf - which (because of the heat of the dwarf star) is able to sustain life even when a significant distance away from our main sun.

The sun certainly doesn't have a twin - but it might possibly have an underdeveloped, maladjusted little brother.

A planet orbiting a large body out there would not necessarily be visible to the naked eye. Even if you knew where to see Jupiter or Saturn, could you see Europa or Titan? They are both fairly large (Europe is slightly smaller than our own moon, Titan slightly larger). But you do need a telescope to see them.

yiolas

25th July 2010, 23:51

(Please see my post no. 35)

Now that I am on a roll,I would like to add: it was Bill and Kerry who first played a major role in introducing to me the world behind the scenes.
Since then I have learned to question my world view of just about everything.
Why should we draw the line at Nibiru or Planet X.
I for one would like to learn the truth about this. (Sooner rather than later)

yiolas

26th July 2010, 07:12

Hi Bill, I would like to express my great appreciation that you took the time to answer my questions.
It appears though that the question of whether Planet X exists or not is still up in the air (no pun intended).
Time will tell.

Eric J (Viking)

26th July 2010, 09:18

Hi all ... Love this thread ...!!

Hey Yiola ... we will get to the bottom of this!! LOL

Hi Bill ... First of all I am not sure that your interpretation of the piccie we have been talking about is some sort of 'atmospheric refraction anomaly' some of the guys on the original thread have studied the piccie quite extensively.. time will tell...I am sure we can dig out lots more pics as time goes on...

Anyway just for starters I wondered what your interpretaion of the old sumerian clay tablets was, depicting 12 planets?? edit; Including sun and moon...

All the planets are shown in true order and size...but there is one more?? I am sure you are aware of this anyway...just wondered what your thoughts were on this?
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/uploads/sumarianscroll.jpg

viking

Bill Ryan

26th July 2010, 09:51

I wondered what your interpretaion of the old sumerian clay tablets was, depicting 12 planets?? edit; Including sun and moon...

All the planets are shown in true order and size...but there is one more?? I am sure you are aware of this anyway...just wondered what your thoughts were on this?
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/uploads/sumarianscroll.jpg

Yes, it's very interesting - it may well show that the Sumerians knew a great deal more than many conventional archaelogists give them credit for.

Wood

26th July 2010, 10:20

All the planets are shown in true order and size...but there is one more?? I am sure you are aware of this anyway...just wondered what your thoughts were on this?
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/uploads/sumarianscroll.jpg

I've heard about that sumerian tablet in some videos and I have not given much thought to the claim before. However, now that I look at it carefully I fail to see how the sizes are accurate.

The inner planets are way smaller than Jupiter, for example. Here is a picture that [I believe] shows the actual relative sizes:
http://imgur.com/8b0ys.jpg

Maybe the sizes are accurate as they are seen from the earth? That would mean the sumerians had some kind of primitive telescope but not that they were able to calculate the actual sizes meaning they didn't know the maths.

EDIT: the previous paragraph is nonsense since the earth is included in the tablet (thus they were attempting to show the actual sizes) :)

Eric J (Viking)

26th July 2010, 10:34

Ok, lets not get pickey Wood...

The point I was trying to make was that the tablet shows 12 planets in our solar system, including the sun... also shows pluto which was only dicovered recently. So they knew about this as well!!! So anyway 12 planets!! where is the other one in our solar system????

I don't want to steer too much off topic regarding the videos presented on the first page of this thread, which incidentely I haven't watched all of them yet...so Yiola and I will start a fresh thread on this topic titled 'Planet X Myth or Reality' later on, so hopefully we can all get to the bottom of this very important topic...

Laters gators ... I was also wondering if Bill has any intention of interviewing someone in the field with knowledge of Planet X. This will help us all to either take this seriously or dismiss.

viking

Bill Ryan

26th July 2010, 11:20

I was also wondering if Bill has any intention of interviewing someone in the field with knowledge of Planet X. This will help us all to either take this seriously or dismiss.

viking

Hi there - I already have! Dr Bill Deagle (audio) here:

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_14_April_2010.mp3

Operator

26th July 2010, 11:33

Eric J (Viking)

30th July 2010, 08:54

blue777

30th July 2010, 10:40

Camelot Whistleblower radio every Friday ....

To those of you that follow this intriguing topic Kerry will be interviewing Marshall Masters today...Let's hope she asks the right questions??

The questions I would ask would be the following...input any questions and I will mail her...hopefully she will get it on time!!

1..Why do we not see this object on a regular basis?

2..Does the passage of PX tie in with all the other weather changes/disasters/pole shift?

3..In your opinion when is this 'body' likely to cause maximum damage...the fly by? What timescale?

4..Safe areas?

Anymore question sanyone??

11:00am to 1:00pm PST
7:00pm to 9:00pm GMT

This week's guest:

Marshall Masters : Planet X

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/whistelblower-radio-hp.html

viking

Hello Viking,
Thank you for your excellent input...I have a question.
We have 2 camps of thought ,people who believe that Planet X is coming and polar shift , and those who see it as a Fear tactic, How do we discern who is right and who is wrong? My personal opion is that it will happen otherwise why would the powers to be bulild so many underground massive safety systems?
regards
blue/dominic

Eric J (Viking)

30th July 2010, 11:58

Hello Viking,
Thank you for your excellent input...I have a question.
We have 2 camps of thought ,people who believe that Planet X is coming and polar shift , and those who see it as a Fear tactic, How do we discern who is right and who is wrong? My personal opion is that it will happen otherwise why would the powers to be bulild so many underground massive safety systems?
regards
blue/dominic

Yes I have thought of that many times...and the question keeps popping up!!

But, let say this is fear based...then surely we would have this topic more in your face, so to speak...

I have mailed Kerry so lets hope she has picked up on the thread for the questions...

viking

Steven

30th July 2010, 12:24

...How do we discern who is right and who is wrong?...

Look at the source of the information. If you can track back the source of studies, with accurate observation, you will discover that there might be a dwarf star twin to our sun, but nothing to relate its passage to 2012. So, there is a part which seems to be true and another that seems to be assumption, since we tags just about everything to 2012...

Don't forget nuclear war, bacteriologic war, biologic pandemic, worldwide economic crash, mega volcano eruption, ice age, (doesn't it look like the apocalypse by the way? In the hand of the Vatican) etc... I have seen all of these topic seriously presented here with so much assumptions, I taught we had learned from it. To make things worse, all these "end of the world prophecies" are all, without exceptions, linked to 2012! And you need discernment to make an idea about it?

All these are truth distorted and twisted to unconsciously justify the calamities of the apocalypse. You don't need to be a christian follower, nor even practice to propagate the Vatican's agenda. "We are too many on planet Earth, we need something big to wipe us all fast, if not, we're all gonna die!"

We are in great time of change, that is for sure. The opportunity to create a better world have never been so much at our reach than now. Why focusing constantly on assumed future disaster? If it were accurate, seen, observable, than I would say, stay sharp and focused on peace and harmony, that's the best preparation.

Namaste, Steven

yiolas

30th July 2010, 13:28

Deega

30th July 2010, 14:48

Hi Viking,
Thanks for the shout out. It should be an interesting interview. I have a couple of questions:
1. What preparations including relocation and survival supplies is Marshall making?
2. What current indications does he have that Planet X is currently closing in ?

Hi Yiolas,

As you are probably aware, Marshal Master has a web site, you may find a lot of information there.

http://www.yowusa.com/videos/pxsr/report01/index.shtml

Have a great visit.

All my blessings.

Deega

freespirit

30th July 2010, 15:06

Camelot Whistleblower radio every Friday ....

To those of you that follow this intriguing topic Kerry will be interviewing Marshall Masters today...Let's hope she asks the right questions??

The questions I would ask would be the following...input any questions and I will mail her...hopefully she will get it on time!!

1..Why do we not see this object on a regular basis?

2..Does the passage of PX tie in with all the other weather changes/disasters/pole shift?

3..In your opinion when is this 'body' likely to cause maximum damage...the fly by? What timescale?

4..Safe areas?

Anymore question sanyone??

11:00am to 1:00pm PST
7:00pm to 9:00pm GMT

This week's guest:

Marshall Masters : Planet X

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/whistelblower-radio-hp.html

viking

Thanks for that viking I would kicked myself for missing it !

I do have one question simply - where and when should one look ?

yiolas

30th July 2010, 15:50

Hi Yiolas,

As you are probably aware, Marshal Master has a web site, you may find a lot of information there.

http://www.yowusa.com/videos/pxsr/report01/index.shtml

Have a great visit.

All my blessings.

Deega

Hi Deega, Thanks for the reply.
Yes , I have been aware of his site even before PC&A.
I would just like to hear Kerry ask those questions.

Kerry Cassidy

30th July 2010, 16:12

Camelot Whistleblower radio every Friday ....

To those of you that follow this intriguing topic Kerry will be interviewing Marshall Masters today...Let's hope she asks the right questions??

The questions I would ask would be the following...input any questions and I will mail her...hopefully she will get it on time!!

1..Why do we not see this object on a regular basis?

2..Does the passage of PX tie in with all the other weather changes/disasters/pole shift?

3..In your opinion when is this 'body' likely to cause maximum damage...the fly by? What timescale?

4..Safe areas?

Anymore question sanyone??

11:00am to 1:00pm PST
7:00pm to 9:00pm GMT

This week's guest:

Marshall Masters : Planet X

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/whistelblower-radio-hp.html

viking

Thanks for the suggested questions...! There is also a chat window as part of the show where you can post questions during the show. The link is on the front page of the Camelot Portal for the show and live chat...http://projectcamelot.org

Best wishes,

Kerry
Project Camelot

Celine

30th July 2010, 16:14

what a great idea..wonder where i heard that before.

Thanks for advertizing at Project Avalon

Fredkc

30th July 2010, 16:41

On July 11, 2010 there was a total eclipse of the Sun, visible in a swatch across the South Seas and Chili.Note to Viking;
Yes, I do make a great "Chili", thanks for asking; But I never made any while living in "Chile". ;)

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
Fred

Eric J (Viking)

30th July 2010, 16:56

Dont give up your day job Fred!! :p LOL

viking

blue777

30th July 2010, 16:58

Thanks for the suggested questions...! There is also a chat window as part of the show where you can post questions during the show. The link is on the front page of the Camelot Portal for the show and live chat...http://projectcamelot.org

Best wishes,

Kerry
Project Camelot

Hello Kerry there are two camps on this forum, those who believe in Planet X AND THOSE WHO THINK IT IS A FEAR TACTIC......same as the oil scenario, re; rivers of fire etc. THEY ALSO THOUGHT IS WAS A FEAR TACTIC..therefore who do we believe? and why do we have to believe you?
blue.......

onawah

30th July 2010, 17:05

http://www.argusoogradio.org/nl/2010/05/nu-onair-project-camelot-whistleblower-radio/
Is that the correct link for listening live to the radio show? All I'm getting is music, but I can't read German, so I'm not sure I clicked on the right thing.

MorningSong

30th July 2010, 17:38

Looks like Dutch to me... it ain't German. Is Waterman in Holland?:confused: and, yeap, just music for now.

What time is the show for us in Europe? I know that EST is 6h behind me, but CA/ west coast? Never had to learn that and never tried to. :eek:

Beth

30th July 2010, 17:40

MorningSong

30th July 2010, 17:46

Thanks yaya...so it should start in about 17 minutes!

pimpom

30th July 2010, 17:49

(I hope this doesn't light a fire) ... I have a sincere question: if Pluto was big enough for them to be put on the tablet then why are Ceres and Eris (UB313) not shown too ?

And another pops up: If there is a brown dwarf near Jupiter ... where is it on the tablet ?

Well, Pluto is more then double Ceres size, but Eris is larger then both though futher away.
But I don't think it's Pluto on the map (as Pluto and Eris belongs to distant group called Kuiper belt), its more likely to be Ceres (Although Ceres would be the 5th planet, directly after Mars in that case) or Neptunus young moon Triton.

The more important fact is that they pointed out the sun as a star, and placed it in the middle (we manage to do this a hundred years ago, they did it 4000-5500 B.C) and the shape of all planets - as we thought it was flat untill 330 B.C

(Wikipedia: Aristotle accepted the spherical shape of the earth on empirical grounds around 330 BC - the false belief that medieval Christianity believed in a flat earth has been referred to as The Myth of the Flat Earth. In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history.)

Beth

30th July 2010, 18:05

Thanks yaya...so it should start in about 17 minutes!

You're quite welcome! :)

MorningSong

30th July 2010, 20:54

It was a very good interview. Marshall did well with the questions and said some profound and, even, inspiring things.

I wish that Kerry had asked him what he was doing to prepare like Yiolas had suggested...

I learned a lot tonight about Mr. Marshall that I did not know. I might just have to check out some of his other books.

yiolas

30th July 2010, 22:09

Hi everyone, i enjoyed the interview as well. Eventhough I have been following Marshall for a while now, I learned some new things as well.

It was a littel shocking to hear him say 'all of the above' to the question about physical pole shift, magnatic poles shift or planet x.

I too wished that he would have said something about his personal preparations and plans, but he did say that we should near a running stream, soft earth and rolling hills. Any way we don't need Marshall to tell us that we should be honing our off the grid and homesteading skills.
We should also be thinking of ways to protect ourselves from solar radiation and emp's .

Eric J (Viking)

31st July 2010, 08:55

Couldn't find a link to the interview!! Anyone?

viking

yiolas

31st July 2010, 09:07

Here you go:

http://www.argusoogradio.org/nl/2010/07/whistleblower-radio-%e2%80%93-30-juli-2010/

freespirit

31st July 2010, 09:16

Couldn't find a link to the interview!! Anyone?

viking

http://www.argusoogradio.org/en/2010/07/whistleblower-radio-%E2%80%93-30-juli-2010/

Eric J (Viking)

31st July 2010, 10:43

Thanks Yiolas/Freespirit ...

I'm gonna have a good listen...

viking

onawah

31st July 2010, 17:47

I had put Planet X speculation aside a couple of years ago. But when I heard recently that one of the Mayan prophecies is the appearance of "the red sun", I got interested again! It came up in one of Drunvalo's recent videos, probably The Maya of Eternal Time, and Drunvalo said Don Alejandro would not speak of it any more at that time, but said it would be discussed more when the time came.
If the brown dwarf turns out to appear red in our sky, that would most certainly have to be the "red sun", I would think.
Those Mayan and Hopi prophecies have turned out to be too eerily accurate to discount!

Eric J (Viking)

3rd August 2010, 19:57

Mmmm!!

Nemesis Update 8/2/10 - Confirmation from Spanish Astronomers

http://www.youtube.com/user/jcattera

viking

onawah

3rd August 2010, 22:46

Here's a link for that story if you have trouble with the youtube video
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/g1-9-confirmed-binary-red-dwarf-star-6

onawah

4th August 2010, 04:58

Now I have a new nominee for the person to be interviewed next by Kerry or Bill. Colleen Tomas, the astronomer who has apparently figured out new evidence supporting the Russian's theory that the brown dwarf G1.9 is approaching our Sun and causing the changes in our solar system.
And/ or possibly Jim MacCanney, who had pretty much figured out quite some time ago what was happening with Planet X and G1.9, apparently, and has been working with the Russian scientists for a long time.

onawah

4th August 2010, 07:08

bashi

4th August 2010, 21:24

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1023724/pg1
about 3/4 of the way down on the above page is a discussion about when the brown dwarf might get closest to earth. This subject is also being discussed on the thread "Scientific Evidence for What's Coming"
A comprehensive article here:
http://nwolibrary.com/news/space/618-dwarf-sun
According to the article, there may not be anymore conclusive evidence about the validity of the new discoveries until February of this year, when a study being conducted by a team of scientists should be completed/
BTW, Colleen Thomas also has some interesting things to say about how the spirals being seen around the world are formed, such as the famous blue spiral over Norway.

That is not correct. The "Scientific .." thread was not discussing a brown dwarf or Nibiru. It is about a ribbon, CMEs and NASA. nothing else.

i am not going to discuss Colleen Tomas here, or his "Personal theory of phonons, which is based on physics". also not why "NASA scientists have never heard of phonons and they foolishly believe this dwarf star is a supernova"
Already this approach disqualifies itself.

onawah

4th August 2010, 22:59

That is not correct. The "Scientific .." thread was not discussing a brown dwarf or Nibiru. It is about a ribbon, CMEs and NASA. nothing else.

i am not going to discuss Colleen Tomas here, or his "Personal theory of phonons, which is based on physics". also not why "NASA scientists have never heard of phonons and they foolishly believe this dwarf star is a supernova"
Already this approach disqualifies itself.

I believe Colleen Tomas is a woman.
I have copied some of the discussion from the godlikeproductions link about G1.9, though not all, and you can clearly see it IS about the brown dwarf, and though it is dated, it is very relevant to the new information, whether the latter is correct or not.
"1996

Q: (T) Okay, what is the twin sun theory?
A: Theory that the sun is really a double star.

Q: (L) Well, if it is a double star, how come we don't see the other one? Where is the other one and why don't we see it? (T) I don't think I have ever heard of that, have you? (F) It seems vaguely familiar for some reason. (L) Is this factual, correct?
A: Wait a moment...

Q: (T) They are bringing in their twin sun expert... (L) No doubt! [planchette spins numerous times.]
A: Now, where were we?

Q: (L) We were talking about the twin sun phenomenon...
A: Theory.

Q: (T) Which is that Sol is one part of a twin system?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this theory correct?
A: Not yet, you are "jumping the gun."

Q: (T) Okay. You brought this up. You indicated that, yes, our sun is one part of a dual system...
A: Yes...

Q: (T) ...and that there is another star, another sun here...
A: Yes...

Q: (L) Can we see it? (T) Can we see it at this point in time?
A: Can you?

Q: (L) No. Not that I am aware of. Is the reason we cannot see it because it is always on the other side of the sun from us? That it orbits in such a way that we can never see it?
A: Orbits, yes, assuming it is there, however, we did not confirm that, now did we?

Q: (T) Is Sol two stars combined?
A: No. What is "dark" matter, and what are dark stars?

Q: (L) Are dark stars something like black holes?
A: No.

Q: (T) Dark matter, that I have read about, is what the astronomical community calls all the loose stuff floating around out in the cosmos that must exist because of the equations, but they can't see it.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Would dark stars be part of this?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So there is dark matter and dark stars?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) The dark matter they cannot see because it is dark.
A: Yes. How about "Brown stars?"

Q: (T) Okay, Brown stars I have heard of. There is yellow, red, blue, green... Okay, our star burns as a yellow star because of the matter it is composed of - hydrogen, etc.
A: Close.

Q: (T) Other stars burn different colors in the visible spectrum because of the make-up of the star...
A: Yes, but not "brown" ones. How easy is it to see brown against a black background?

Q: (T) Not easy at all! That is why they can't see the dark matter...
A: That is why scientists dubbed it "brown."

Q: (L) How does brown star connect to twin sun theory?
A: Guess!

Q: (T) Okay. Let's talk about this. For some reason we have to work through this to maintain free will. (L) Is this star small enough that it is orbiting with the planets?
A: No, we are leading you to something, if you will be patient.

Q: (L) Okay, lead on... we want to know about this. (T) They just asked if we understood what a brown star was.
A: Do you?

Q: (L) What is the significance of the brown star?
A: Dark star.

Q: (L) It is a dark star... okay...
A: If it is there.

Q: (L) Well, will you put me out of my misery and tell me? (T) Wait, a dark star is dark because it doesn't give off light. It is still a star, and acts like a star...
A: Yes. And if it has an elliptical orbit... would it, maybe, like, "come and go?"

Q: (T) What science, astronomy, has described as double stars, are two stars that are close together with some sort of interactive orbit. But that is not necessarily the only way two stars can exist.
A: Close. As you perceive from your vantage point. But how would you like to embark on a bicycle trip between them?

Q: (L) So the ones that we are aware of and see can be so far apart that there can be a lot between... (T) So our astronomers have not recognized this possibility?
A: Yes they have.

Q: (T) They know, but don't talk about it. So, we may have, in this theory, a dark star orbiting...
A: And what would happen if you did?

Q: (L) Well...
A: And it, like, comes and goes?

Q: (T) Like every 3600 years?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) And maybe this dark star also has some planets orbiting it?
A: Ok, change of direction: Oort cloud and comet cluster and sun twin occasionally passing through the former like a bowling ball through pins.

Q: (L) How does the dark star passing through the Oort cloud relate to the comet cluster?
A: Cause and effect.

Q: (L) So, the comet cluster is caused by the dark star smashing through the Oort cloud? (T) Well, not necessarily smashing, but passing close enough for its gravity to change things... (L) But they said "like a bowling ball through pins." (T) The gravity of that star would cause the comets to be flung in all directions. (J) Is the earth like a pin? A bowling pin? (L) No, that's the Oort Cloud.
A: Now, think of how your Biblical prophecies speak of a very terrifying period, followed by an apparent renewal of normalcy, followed by the "End."

Q: (T) We learned about a "comet cluster" very early on. Now you are going beyond that and giving us a reason as to why this comet cluster...
A: Laura, please clarify exactly what the prophecies say.

Q: (L) Well, in the prophecies it is said: "If those days were not shortened, would no flesh be saved. But, for the elects' sake, will those days be shortened." Now, can you tell me what this means?
A: Not yet.

Q: (T) Where are we? We have a dark star flinging comets like bowling pins...
A: Your Biblical prophecies speak of a period of terror and chaos followed by calm, and then, unexpectedly, amidst seeming overwhelming peace and renewal and prosperity, the end. What would happen if the brown star that is the sun's twin were to get close enough to be illuminated by the sun?

Q: (T) Well, if it were close enough to be illuminated, the obvious result is that it would be SEEN. People would panic...
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Governments would fall...
A: And terror and chaos. And when it departs again?

Q: (L) Everything will seem to be fine! But, they won't realize that the Oort cloud has been hit! Oh, sugar!
A: And then what?

Q: (L) It is not the Oort cloud or the comets that is going to cause all this terror and carrying on, it is going to be the seeing of the illuminated brown star, which will go away, and then no one will see what is coming! And this IS talked about in both the Bible and Nostradamus - but it was incomprehensible before! Okay, how long will it take the comets to get from the Oort cloud to here?
A: Let us just say that the cluster travels much faster than the usual cometary itinerary.

Q: (T) And this is because they are traveling in the wake of a large sun sized gravity well...
A: And we have spoken of the comet cluster before, and we have told you that this time, it rides the Wave.

Q: (L) Is the wave the energy from this brown star?
A: No.

Q: (L) The Wave is the Wave. (T) So, the dark star is going to come through the Oort cloud, and it doesn't have to get too close. Any star that gets that close is TOO close. (L) Are they being "kicked" and then they get on the wave that is already on the move?
A: Yes. This time. You have had the comet cluster before in antiquity, but the wave was last here aeons ago.

Q: (L) Is this wave a gravity wave?
A: Interrelated.

Q: (L) Okay, now... (T) Well, the wave is a form of energy. (L) Yes, they once told us that it was "hyper-kinetic sensate."
A: Realm border, this is your quantum factor, Laura, so plug it into "Noah" accordingly, and check out the results.

Q: (L) Does this brown or dark star have planetary bodies of its own, other than sharing planets with Sol?
A: No.

Q: (T) Okay. No correlation to Sitchin and his "planet Nibiru." (L) If the wave is the quantum factor for the transition of the Solar System, what is the factor for the transition of an atom?
A: Electrons emit what?

Q: (L) Photons... (T) An electrical charge of some kind. (L) I thought that an electron didn't have any parts... that it is an elementary particle...
A: Right...

Q: (L) What the heck does an electron emit? Is gravity emitted by an electron?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What...
A: Electromagnetically.

Q: (L) What is it that causes a quantum transition? A collecting and dispersing of gravity. What is it about an atom that causes it to collect or disperse?
A: How does the electron fit into the equation of the "atom?"

Q: (L) Well, it orbits the nucleus... (T) Planets orbit the Sun. (L) The energy that an electron collects, or any other part of an atom collects, that causes a quantum transition, comes to it from outside of it? A wave?
A: How many electrons orbit the nucleus?

Q: (L) It depends on the atom. The number of electrons determine what an atom is an atom of... the number of particles it has orbiting...
A: Yes.

Q: (T) And they orbit in specific shells...
A: Yes... And how does the sun relate to this macro-dynamically?

Q: (L) Okay, something from the nucleus of the atom acts upon the electrons to cause a transition?
A: How many electrons orbit the nucleus?

Q: (L) Of the sun? Are you asking how many electrons orbit the nucleus of the Sun? Different atoms have different numbers...
A: Of any atom?

Q: (L) Okay, it varies.
A: From what to what?

Q: (L) From one to somewhere in the nineties or hundreds...
A: And what determines the number?

Q: (T) Well, what determines the number?
A: Is it the composition of the nucleus?

Q: (L) Yeah. That's right. We forgot. What causes or determines the number of protons or whatever in the nucleus?
A: What composition would cause the orbiting of one electron?

Q: (L) One proton?
A: Now, think macro-dynamically.

Q: (L) Well, you once said that the sun is a window, or transition point to another density. Are you saying that the nucleus of an atom is also a window?
A: What we are saying is the sun is a proton and its twin is an electron!

Q: (L) Well, I am still trying to get at... the wave causes transitions in the macro-cosmic atom, what causes the microcosmic atom... what causes a quantum jump? What accumulates in an atom that causes it to transition?
A: Completion of Grand Cycle.

Q: (J) It just is. (L) No, no...
A: And who says that the Sun's twin appears every 3600 years?

Q: (L) Okay, we have the 3600 year comet cluster cycle, the Sun twin is another cycle altogether, and then we have the wave, which is a Grand Cycle. So, we have three things causing a transition in nature?
A: Like "biorhythms."

Q: (T) And we have a triple bad day coming up! Or a good day, depending on which way you look at it.
A: Bad day if you are John C. Rockefeller, good day if you are Mahatma Gandhi.

Q: (L) So, does something like a three cycle event also occur in sub-atomic transitions, like the biorhythm?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, there are three factors to be considered... or more than three?
A: Either, or.

Q: (L) Can it be a random, arbitrary number of events?
A: If you wish.

Q: (L) Is it partly the observer that adds one of the factors? Consciousness?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, we see three separate cycles coming together here...
A: Everything reflects macrodynamically and microdynamically. We suggest you absorb for now; and, fear not! For it is not imminent! Good Night.

Just recently we came back to the subject:

July 4, 1998

Q: (A) I am trying to write down some things about a cosmology, and I have some questions mainly about the coming events. First there was the story of the sun's companion brown star which is apparently approaching the solar system, and I would like to know, if possible, details of its orbit; that is, how far it is, what is its speed, and when it will be first seen. Can we know it? Orbit: how close will it come?
A: Flat eliptical.

Q: (A) But how close will it come?
A: Distance depends upon other factors, such as intersecting orbit of locator of witness.

Q: (L) What is the closest it could come to earth... (A) Solar system... (L) Yes, but which part of the solar system? We have nine planets... which one? (A) I understand that this brown star will enter the Oort cloud... (L) I think they said it just brushes against it and the gravity disturbs it...
A: Passes through Oort cloud on orbital journey. Already has done this on its way "in."

Q: (A) You mean it has already entered the Oort cloud?
A: Has passed through.

Q: (A) So, it will not approach...
A: Oort cloud is located on outer perimeter orbital plane at distance of approximately averaged distance of 510,000,000,000 miles.

Q: (L) Well, 510 billion miles gives us some time! (A) Yes, but what I want to know... this Oort cloud is around the solar system, so this brown star, once it has passed through... (L) It must already be in the solar system? (A) No, it could have passed through and may not come closer. Is it coming closer or not? Is it coming closer all the time?
A: Solar system, in concert with "mother star," is revolving around companion star, a "brown" star.

Q: (A) So, that means that the mass of the companion star is much...
A: Less.

Q: (A) Less?
A: They are moving in tandem with one another along a flat, eliptical orbital plane. Outer reaches of solar system are breached by passage of brown companion, thus explaining anomalies recently discovered regarding outer planets and their moons.

Q: (A) But I understand that the distance between the sun and this brown star is changing with time. Eliptical orbit means there is perihelion and aphelion. I want to know what will be, or what was, or what is the closest distance between this brown star and the sun? What is perihelion? Can we know this, even approximately. Is it about one light year, or less or more?
A: Less, much less. Distance of closest passage roughly corresponds to the distance of the orbit of Pluto from Sun.

Q: (A) Okay. Now, this closest pass, is this something that is going to happen?
A: Yes.

Q: (A) And it is going to happen within the next 6 to 18 years?
A: 0 to 14.

Q: (A) Okay, that's it. I have some idea about this. Now, I understand that, either by chance or by accident, two things are going to happen at essentially the same time. That is the passing of this brown star, and this comet cluster. These are two different things?
A: Yes. Different, but related.

Q: (L) Is there a comet cluster that was knocked into some kind of orbit of its own, that continues to orbit...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And in addition to that comet cluster, there are also additional comets that are going to get whacked into the solar system by the passing of this brown star?
A: Yes.

Q: (A) I understand that the main disaster is going to come from this comet cluster...
A: Disasters involve cycles in the human experiential cycle which corresponds to the passage of comet cluster.

Q: (A) I understand that this comet cluster is cyclic and comes every 3600 years. I want to know something about the shape of this comet cluster. I can hardly imagine...
A: Shape is variable. Effect depends on closeness of passage.

Q: (L) So, it could be spread out... (A) We were asking at some point where it will be coming from. The answer was that we were supposed to look at a spirograph.
A: Yes.

Q: (A) Now, spirograph suggests that these comets will not come from one direction, but from many directions at once. Is this correct?
A: Very good!!!

Q: (A) Okay, they will come from many directions...
A: But, initial visibility presents as single, solid body.

Q: (A) Do we know what is the distance to this body at present?
A: Suggest you keep your eyes open!

Q: (A) I am keeping my eyes open.
A: Did you catch the significance of the answer regarding time table of cluster and brown star? Human cycle mirrors cycle of catastrophe. Earth benefits in form of periodic cleansing. Time to start paying attention to the signs. They are escalating. They can even be "felt" by you and others, if you pay attention.

Q: (L) We have certainly been paying attention to the signs!
A: How so?

Q: (L) Well, the weather is completely bizarre. The fires, the heat...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I notice that the tides are awfully high all the time with no ostensible explanation...
A: And low, too.

Q: (L) Yes. I have noticed that particularly. (F) I have too. Not too long ago I noticed that the tides were so incredibly low for this time of year. (L) And also the signs in people - these kids killing their parents, all these people going berserk - you know...
A: Spike.

Q: (L) What do you mean spike?
A: On a graph...

Q: (L) Just spikes, not the biggie...
A: Spikes are big.

Q: (L) Well, from what you are saying about this - I mean how are we supposed to do all these things you say we are supposed to do? I mean, we won't have time!
A: Who says?

Q: (L) That is kind of what it is sounding like. Unless our lives and experiences escalate in concert with all these other events... (A) I have a last question which I have prepared. So, we have these two physical disasters or events, the coming brown star and the comet cluster, but we have been told that this time it is going to be different because this time it is accompanied by a plane convergence.
A: Yes. Magnetic field alteration."

The discussion continues, and begins about 3/4 of the way down the page, as I stated before.

onawah

5th August 2010, 07:45

I went back and read more on that page (it's very long, and very interesting) and most of it is a scientific discussion (much of it about the brown dwarf) but what I quoted in my last post was from Laura Knight Jadczyk, which seems a bit out of place on that page, but much of what she was channeling seemed to coincide with the scientific info, except she said there were no planets in orbit around the brown dwarf, which certainly contradicts the theories about Nibiru.
Bill Ryan cautioned about her info, much of which he says is accurate, but some is inaccurate.

irishspirit

4th September 2010, 21:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3mwsjBTQAM&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3mwsjBTQAM&feature=player_embedded

Eric J (Viking)

4th September 2010, 21:34

Yes I saw that footage the other day...strange anomolies at the moment!!!

Check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89FNKycSWHs

And Bill ...its not a sundog!! ha ha

viking

irishspirit

4th September 2010, 21:44

viking, that is some excellent footage there. interesting...

jack

4th September 2010, 22:28

Facts are usually validated by repitition. Someone get out there, get a camera, and produce more footage like this. I'm not so sure what earth some people are living on, but last time i looked at the sun through photo negatives, The only thing visible was the sun. Not for or against this footage, just for more evidence.

ArtyCarl

4th September 2010, 23:18

This is just a coronal mass ejection, nothing more. Throw in some gloomy music and a few warnings that your kids should not see this and bingo, there goes another blind alleyway for the misguided to wander into.

irishspirit

5th September 2010, 10:43

Guy's,

you really have to try this. Type in NIBIRU in the search and it references and object.

Amazing! Remeber, to zoom out from the left.

http://www.wikisky.org/

Eric J (Viking)

5th September 2010, 11:20

This is weird guys...if we supposedly found Planet X in 1983 with IRAS .... then what on earth is this film about!!! Is was made way before this time!! If someone could find an exact date...great...!

Were they starting to condition us back then????? Also the Alein mentions 2012! Also note the Reptile type aliens...ect etc

I wonder if this is proof that they (PTB) were trying to plant seeds into our subconcious to prepare us for what is the present??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo8njUCxvH8

Mmmm gets you thinking hey!!!

viking

Eric J (Viking)

5th September 2010, 11:28

oooops just realized it is a 'mashup' the words were placed into the film for effects!!!! :frusty:

Well its very funny anyway!!! :p

viking

Bill Ryan

5th September 2010, 12:58

Guy's,

you really have to try this. Type in NIBIRU in the search and it references and object.

Amazing! Remember, to zoom out from the left.

http://www.wikisky.org/

Hi, Folks:

Very interesting. I'd missed this debate on GodLikeProductions and elsewhere a few months back.

This is actually the red giant CW LEONIS:

http://www.extrasolar.net/startour.asp?StarID=143

I posted a piece about this on Project Camelot a couple of years ago:

http://projectcamelot.org/index_archive_1.html

...7 July 2008 post: scroll down to this heading:

• Hot object in the sky is not 'Planet X'

I had written:

Click here (http://www.google.com/sky/#latitude=13.304102866767089&longitude=-33.0029296875&zoom=7&Spitzer=0.00&ChandraXO=0.00&Galex=0.00&IRAS=100.00&WMAP=0.00&Cassini=0.00&slide=1&mI=-1&oI=-1) for a Google Sky image of an anomalous object which is extremely bright in the infrared. We derived it from a YouTube video recently posted by someone who claimed it was 'Planet X'. We sent the link to Henry Deacon, who advised us it was the red giant CW Leonis (http://www.extrasolar.net/startour.asp?StarID=143). We checked, and indeed it is. Thanks, Henry, once again, for sharing your extraordinarily wide-ranging knowledge.

Cheers, Bill

lightblue

5th September 2010, 13:05

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great stuff..

thanks bill :wink: l

irishspirit

5th September 2010, 13:18

thanks for clearing that one up bill.

Cheers!

Irishspirit

truthseekerdan

12th November 2010, 16:07

Sorry Kula, hope this is not old news for you...;)

"It is seeping out gradually, little by little, a story so large, so big it cannot be contained. In the halls of Congress, in the secretive agencies, in the media boardrooms, in the homes and workplaces. A question. A whisper, a glance. An acknowledgment, and for most a secret too terrible to contemplate. We are all on the verge of everything changing. Changing forever. And we cannot, should not, put the genie back in the bottle."

Read more: http://iqxs.posterous.com/its-beginning-to-leak

Ahkenaten

12th November 2010, 17:13

Even if the 'worst things' were to occur, i.e. the earth's poles were to move and the crust of the earth were to shift, even if TPTB move openly and suddenly across the board to roll out their One World Government with Storm Troopers goose-stepping through our neighborhoods, , it still does not serve our best interests to be fearful. Fear, specifically the fear of death of the physical body, is the primary way that certain forces seek to manipulate and cow the people into intimidation. Be therefor not fearful.

Fredkc

12th November 2010, 17:22

even if TPTB move openly and suddenly across the board to roll out their One World Government with Storm Troopers goose-stepping through our neighborhoods, , it still does not serve our best interests to be fearful.
The worst they can do is 'hung' ya. ;)

I kinda liked this, though:
In order to make way for the new, the old has to be swept away. You are an old soul. You were born on an planet and will live and die on a planet. But if you are an eternal soul, all of your lifetimes are like grains of sand on an endless beach. Nothing that is you will ever be lost. It cannot be lost, will not be lost, and you will be back, better than ever, forever.

Bill Ryan

12th November 2010, 17:22

-----------------

Quote from the article referenced: (http://iqxs.posterous.com/its-beginning-to-leak)

So who is on the front lines? Our astronauts. They go up into space and they see with their own eyes that Planet X is near the Sun. They see the tail with hundreds of large moons, thousands of smaller moons, and clouds of rocks, hydrocarbons and iron ore dust.No, I don't think so!

truthseekerdan

12th November 2010, 17:30

I kinda liked this, though:

In order to make way for the new, the old has to be swept away. You are an old soul. You were born on an planet and will live and die on a planet. But if you are an eternal soul, all of your lifetimes are like grains of sand on an endless beach. Nothing that is you will ever be lost. It cannot be lost, will not be lost, and you will be back, better than ever, forever.

Liked that one too Fred. This is to show how each of us individually 'gain experience' for the Source, through experiencing this and/or other realities... Makes you think, huh? :nod:

truthseekerdan

12th November 2010, 17:35

I guess all speculations, Bill. No one knows for sure... at least that will talk with the public. :wink:

Ahkenaten

12th November 2010, 17:51

I agree that the astronauts are not on the front lines

Bill Ryan

12th November 2010, 19:14

I guess all speculations, Bill. No one knows for sure... at least that will talk with the public. :wink:

The bit I was doubting was this:

They go up into space and they see with their own eyes that Planet X is near the Sun. Because

It's not near the sun (we'd sure know about it if it was), and
They would not see it with their naked eyes.

The astronauts get the same view of space as we do - made clearer by having the atmosphere removed. But a bright dot in the heavens (like Mars, or Jupiter, or Planet X - although that's more likely only strongly visible in the infrared - will still be just a bright dot. A telescope is still needed to make out any detail of anything at all.

That, plus the Sorcha Faal quote about the French Astronaut Claudie Haigneré (that's where it came from - look it up), made me sincerely doubt the authenticity of the report.

Metaphor

13th November 2010, 11:31

I first got very interested in the Claudie Haigneré case when I read the articel, but got less interested when I saw it was a Sorch Faal quote (I looked it up too). My question is this: Is there some insight in the case of Mrs Haigneré and what happened?

astrid

13th November 2010, 12:42

this is from march ( 2010) .. but still curious none the less....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLZxuUwUKU

norman

13th November 2010, 18:14

WHAW Astrid, I was looking very hard to see if there was any sign that the second light source was 'lens flare' which is very often what people see in pictures but it really doesn't seem to have that characteristic. It stays fixed no matter how much he moves the camera.

I'm impressed.

MorningSong

13th November 2010, 18:54

I think what is being shown here is what is called a "sun dog". I have seen this numerous times and, yes, it is quite a wonder to behold!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

astrid

13th November 2010, 22:49

ahhhh ... well there u go. Thanks Morning for clearing that one up !!

bennycog

14th November 2010, 01:58

would be interesting for some filtering to be done on the video to show that the heat source is not there.. it is right on the edge of a cloud so my first thought was some sort of reflection because we all now we have to critisize as well as be in wonder.. trying not be fools ourselves..

Leon

14th November 2010, 08:33

Seems like reflexion of a cloud I have seen this before... It looks good though and can confuse...

yiolas

14th November 2010, 10:11

Hi Everyone ! From the Wikipedia link graciously provided by MorningSong a good rule of thumb to determine if in fact any particular atmospheric phenomena is a sun dog is if the object is

20 degrees away from the sun
the same distance from the horizon as the sun

This is something I did not know before and is a useful guide. Thanks MorningSong.

Sundogs may appear as a colored patch of light to the left or right of the sun, 22° distant and at the same distance above the horizon as the sun, and in ice halos. They can be seen anywhere in the world during any season, but they are not always obvious or bright. Sundogs are best seen and are most conspicuous when the sun is low.

freespirit

14th November 2010, 13:30

From everything I have read Planet X is a brown dwarf ? part of binary system ?

I poured through 3 Zecharia Sitchin books and followed closely what Marshall Masters was saying.
Bill and Kerrys great interviews with Bob Dean.After sometime contemplating what has been written and reported..I started wondering if the evidence was being interpreted to fit the theory.

You Know there are people who sit outside in the freezing cold with there cheap and very expensive telescopes watching the heavens.And this is repeated all other the globe N,E,S,W .

Q So why doesn't some amateur spot it coming ? The answer to that question is a little to convenient for me.

I cannot make my mind up on Planet X and it's bugging me something chronic !

fr

I_Am

14th November 2010, 13:45

From godlike production I read about a vatican anouncement due tuesday and some kind of a find regarding a solar system sized perfect laser "triangle"...wasn't that what A C Clarke said would be our first proof of other advanced civilizations: gigantic symmetries.
Would fit perfectly into the tipping point scenario...

Poor source of course at this point...,

jcocks

14th November 2010, 13:59

Kerry has a link on her blog to an "undoctored" video of the missile last week, that shows that the missile was being launched AT something...

(WHich fits with that I was thinking - that it wouldn't have just been a test - the missile would have to have been aimed at something)...

Interesting times, folks.... WIll be most interesting to see what NASA ends up giving us on Tuesday...

Carmody

15th November 2010, 06:07

22° distant. Interesting number.

AlkaMyst

17th December 2010, 04:26

Have any of you guys ever come across this video? (see below) :confused:.....if not what do you make of it? I found it interesting enough to share because I haven't heard the theory of chem-trails being used to cover up the coming of Planet-X, but is this is truly the case than it makes complete sense as TPTB don't want us to be aware of what's about to come down on this planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne8Ll7813JU&feature=related

Eric J (Viking)

10th February 2011, 11:00

Is PX getting closer???

A common rebuke to the topic of Planet X is that with something this big, the government must be forthcoming. Sounds logical but yet, this knee-jerk rejection presumes that at some point, an honesty threshold comes into play. One where news of such magnitude would necessarily compel honesty. But is this how it really works? To help us explore that knee-jerk assumption, Nick Redfern, author of The NASA Conspiracies: The Truth Behind the Moon Landings, Censored Photos, and The Face on Mars, weighs in with examples of how the truth and the fiction of how NASA is linked to high-level cover-ups

CUT TO THE CHASE: NASA's Culture of Cover-ups and Planet X with Nick Redfern and Marshall Masters.

listen here... lots of info.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yowradio/2011/02/07/cut-to-the-chase-nasas-culture-of-cover-ups-and-pl

viking

the_flyingboy

10th February 2011, 11:25

NASA stands for Never A Straight Answer

str8thinker

10th February 2011, 12:17

Thanks for the link but it took me a long time to figure out how to download it.

Finally (with Firefox as my browser) I discovered I had to click the "f" to open the audio player:

http://i51.tinypic.com/5e5vdu.png

Then I was able to save it using the DownloadHelper plugin.

Listening to it now...

Terra

10th February 2011, 13:47

Nice one Viking. Forgot about Marshall Masters and Yowusa, will try to catch up on his shows, it's been a long time. :cool:

ArtyCarl

10th February 2011, 14:58

If Planet X is the binary companion of our own sun but on a wide elliptical orbit then presumably to have any impact on the earth it must come much much closer.

Whereas at the moment it may only be visible to the best observatories and therefore possibly easier to keep under wraps, sooner or later it will have to come into view of a multitude of amateur astronomers, many of which would like nothing more than to make a new discovery.

So I say, when it is visible and can no longer be denied, then that is the time to worry about it.

Swami

11th February 2011, 20:42

Does a rogue planet, known as Nibiru invading our solar system from deep space menace our world? Why does the Mayan Calendar end in 2012? Is humanity doomed, or at the nexus of a spiritual renaissance in connection with the passing of Nibiru in proximity with our solar system? Explore these prophetic myths--while there's still time...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFzvrCa-j10

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 05:35

I wanted to ask Bill Ryan and others within the community what their thoughts were regarding the planet X theory .....

I have watched all the videos and read all about what happened to Dr Harrington and
i found it very interesting to note that his wife was CONVINCED he had been murdered to STOP HIM FROM PUBLISHING HIS FINDINGS ON THE SUBJECT !

I like many others have been watching the the earth changes ,the birds falling out of the sky , thousands of fish being found dead , increased volcanic activity , ever increasing earthquakes , the strange weather the list goes on and on ......

On the one hand we have Nasa denying its Existence but they are warning us to be prepared for SEVERE SOLAR STORMS IN 2012 which possibly could wipe out our power grid and throw us back into the dark ages

I find myself wandering if maybe this is a cover story for planet X -

would they try to pin the blame on the sun , people say nasa couldnt hide something so big but pictures and photos can be altered and so can computer images, if they feared the worst and knew we were doomed they would have to keep it secret or economys would cease to exist as PANIC SET IN WORLDWIDE !

I would also like to know peoples opinion on Yousa.com with Marshall Masters as
i have watched all these videos aswell and they seem well prepared

I look forward to hearing from others on this subject im confused as i dont know what to believe and i would appreciate help so that i can make up my mind on this whole subject...:frusty:

im sorry if others have covered this already i did look but found nothing

2012 21st december.... will it be planet X causing a pole shift or will Patrick Geryls prediction of A KILL SHOT from the sun cause a pole shift =

IS THE HUMAN RACE DOOMED ON THAT DATE ?:help: Thank you

sandy

12th February 2011, 05:49

ghostrider

12th February 2011, 05:52

the_flyingboy

12th February 2011, 05:55

to be honest i dont really have much idea on whats going to happen on 2012 but 2 of the most famous ancient cultures(and many more) talk about it in different ways Mayans say a great alinement will occur and on the other hand ancient Sumerians talk about the Annunaki and the planet Nibiru,maybe the solar storms will happen cause of the alinement from the gravitational pull that will happen but then again that is only my opinion.

slipknotted

12th February 2011, 05:56

maybe it's hiding behind big yellow.

Inelia

12th February 2011, 06:20

I too have been wondering why the powers that be are hiding Planet X. It is being shielded on various levels, including RV. It doesn't make any sense to me. Does it exist? I think so.

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 06:32

The more i look into it the more it seems that countrys are preparing WORLDWIDE.....take Norway with the seedbank and the bases they have built underground & we know many other countrys have been at this activity aswell also look at the money goverments are spending to get devices up in space ASAP to track objects or give warning of them !!!

I dont claim to understand much about our sun but i believe there is NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE and if nasa is warning us to beware of solar storms im wandering JUST HOW BAD IT COULD GET .....They couldnt possibilly tell us if planet X was approaching they would have to LIE TO US !

Their main objective would be the survival of the human race and to that end people would be selected to go down into these bases ,its obvious billions of us would PERISH i mean the tsunamis alone would WIPE OUT WHOLE CONTINENTS !!!

Ross

12th February 2011, 06:37

noxon medem

12th February 2011, 06:40

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13th Warrior

12th February 2011, 06:45

All i will say is: if Planet X is real or not does it change the way you live your life here and now?

noxon medem

12th February 2011, 06:47

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Mutchie

12th February 2011, 06:57

I agree with Noxom Medem that we must be careful there are many crazy theorys around but these Earth Changes are SIGNIFICANT and
they are becoming more & more frequent and i for one am wandering what could cause such AGGRESSIVE CHANGES and the thought of
a massive object in our solar system would certainly answer that question !

Remember Bill and Kerry received a letter from a NORWEGIAN POLITICIAN WARNING THEM THAT GOVERMENTS WERE ALREADY PREPARED -

People who are offered places for themselves and family members in a place of safety will NOT REVEAL THE SECRET because they have HOPE
also you could and would be KILLED for trying to bring this to the publics attention if it were true this guy said as much -

Doesnt anyone else remember his warning about millions being LEFT TO PERISH ON THE SURFACE ?

THE LETTER WAS SERIOUSLY CONVINCING I WANDER IF BILL TOOK IT SERIOUSLY DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT INCIDENT ? thanks:confused:

kinerkid

12th February 2011, 07:06

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 07:59

IF HUMAN BEINGS WERE AT RISK OF BEING WIPED OUT DUE TO A CATACLYSM IM SURE THE POWERS THAT BE WOULD GO ALL OUT TO KEEP US IN THE DARK IT WOULD BE ESSENTIAL TO THEIR PLANS CAUSE COULD YOU IMAGINE 7 BILLION HUMAN BEINGS BEING TOLD YOU HAVE POSSIBILY 3 OR 4 DAYS TO LIVE THEN EVERYONE DIES = WIDESPREAD PANIC = ABSOLUTE PANDIMONIUM ALL OVER = LAWLESSNESS = RIOTS

WE WOULD NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!:p

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 08:03

Thank you kinner kid I AGREE i cannot see how they could block remote viewing either isnt that impossible ?

kinerkid

12th February 2011, 08:08

Well, I don't doubt that they would have the abilities to block people they know are rv'ing certain data points. But the only way I can figure they would be able to block it globally would be to somehow block or cloud the morphogenic field containing that information..but then wouldn't they block it from themselves as well? This has got my brain going and I should be sleeping now! argh! LOL

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 09:06

I would of thought the Lasco images could and would be altered if need be, also all Tv stations and radio networks worldwide could be censorced on the subject if goverments acted universally as one to KEEP THE SECRET, many of your top scientists and politicians etc who MIGHT POSSIBILY KNOW OF THE CATACLYSM could be kept quiet with promises of places for them & their familys etc this would give them HOPE & keep them QUIET
then they DISCREDIT ANYONE WHO COMES FORWARD AS A NUT JOB , THEY CREATE STORYS AND SCENARIOS TO CONFUSE US FURTHER and eventually WE ARE WHERE I AM NOW .......TOTALLY UNSURE ABOUT WHAT TO BELIEVE AND WHO TO TRUST !:confused:

DOESNT THIS SOUND FAMILIAR , ISNT THIS HAPPENING ALL AROUND US RIGHT NOW ?:help:

str8thinker

12th February 2011, 09:27

L97w6DQt9Jk

Also http://yowusa.com/planetx/2008/planetx-2008-05b/1.shtml

ArtyCarl

12th February 2011, 09:43

Throughout the earths long history there seems to have been regular episodes of cataclismic change.

One possible explanation would be if our sun had a binary companion, possibly a brown dwarf on a very elongated elliptical orbit which might mean it would pass close enough to the earth to cause problems every few thousand years. A brown dwarf is like something between a star and a planet but too small to burn hydrogen in fusion reactions like the sun does.

I also believe that a brown dwarf has been discovered recently with a planet like body orbiting it, something which has been proposed as likely by astronomers.

So all you Annunaki fans...they could, I suppose, inhabit a planet orbiting a brown dwarf companion to our sun and be on their way back!

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 09:54

does everyone agree the worlds population WOULD BE KEPT IGNORANT OF THE FACTS ?

Can you IMAGINE if you did survive an event like that WHAT WOULD BE LEFT ?

shijo

12th February 2011, 09:58

crosby

12th February 2011, 10:21

does everyone agree the worlds population WOULD BE KEPT IGNORANT OF THE FACTS ?

Can you IMAGINE if you did survive an event like that WHAT WOULD BE LEFT ?

i watched the movies: "the book of eli" and "the road". they were both based on catastrophic events that destroyed much of the earths' population and land. very scary indeed. if things like this do occur, i'm not interested in picking up the pieces and rebuilding. i can't imagine having to live that way. i'm not sure that any of us could.
warmest regards, corson

Gone001

12th February 2011, 11:17

You can look on google earth and switch to the sky option, and just left of the orion constellation there is a large dark square hiding something. You can see the edges of a very bright object they don't want you to see. could be misdirection, could be real... Something killed the dinasours...

This is something I would like to know more about as well but I'm fairly certain the Dinosaurs were wiped out by extreme Volcanic activity and the ensuing ice age.

Gone001

12th February 2011, 11:24

str8thinker

12th February 2011, 11:26

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 11:33

I read Corsons post with great interest on how the world MIGHT BE AFTER A CATACLYSM i think you,d need to ARM YOURSELF because the law would no longer exist there would be strength in numbers i mean people would kill you for food if it was that bad !

I firmly believe it would be DOG EAT DOG let the fittest survive .......it would depend on what was left and where it was !

its possible you,d have to learn to kill humans just to survive yourself i mean lets say gangs were formed who tryed to just take and rape and what have it you,d be left with NO CHOICE I,d PROTECT MY WIFE & KIDS WITH DEADLY FORCE IF THE NEED AROSE !!!!

Swami

12th February 2011, 11:38

Well, maybe it did str8thinker.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo4V6eQXYZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK7eWEUwRDg

But the timelines don't fit......

KITCHEN OF INSANITY - Time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JB3AOET_58

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 13:16

The NEAT COMET was A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW WE WOULD BE TOLD NOTHING ABOUT ANY IMPENDING DOOM

king anthony

12th February 2011, 13:24

Time of great change is coming and many people know this already. Everything has been made known, even though it has been mixed with other things.

It is not only about freedom, becoming independent from 'civilization's corrupt ways', for this is part of waking up - this allows people to make informed decisions, apply critical thinking and see and understand with clarity.

It is not only about 'spiritual' [using traditional words] awakening or preparing for what will be. Events will be happening and choices will have to be made by each person, for no one can lead when this moment comes.

Where to go and the sides to align with will be the greatest challenge for most, for trust will be scarce for a time. Take comfort with knowledge and the desired 'emotional charge' (feeling) that will present itself - however, be sure.

To know truths, one needs to go far back into history and learn what the ancients knew (as much as one can). Don't believe what I (or others) say, be careful of 'prepackaged convenient information' for nothing is gained when it is simply given.

Planet X, Wormwood, Nibiru, etc... what happened before? A harvesting leaving behind only enough to start again? What are the origins of the ancient knowledge? What is the human species; is 'perception' clouded by need (of thought)?

Regardless, those who can overcome and adopt (in every way) during, what is coming, will have a greater chance of success. To prepare for this is to be secure with what is in mind and hand.

Afterwards, what will be... opportunity once again.

Swami

12th February 2011, 13:28

Swami

12th February 2011, 13:34

2012 21st december.... will it be planet X causing a pole shift or will Patrick Geryls prediction of A KILL SHOT from the sun cause a pole shift =

IS THE HUMAN RACE DOOMED ON THAT DATE ?:help: Thank you

Another guy who talks about the Killshot......

Find out how to survive The Killshot! If you appreciate the work of Ed Dames, buy the dvd at: http://www.thekillshot.com/ Note: This docu is about ""2 years"" old. The celestial body Mr. Dames is talking about, must be Nibiru, or planet X if you like. According to thousands of ancient writings it must be returning very soon now... 2012 perhaps?

-6578438521104676713#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6578438521104676713#

The spaceshuttle is still grounded, whatever that means.............:noidea:

Operator

12th February 2011, 14:09

Thanks for the movie.

I couldn't help noticing this comment from the YouTube page:

Normally I'm not a debunker ..... however something caught my eye:

Planet-X/ Nibiru 1984 => 50 billion miles from earth

8 years later ( 1992 ) => 7 billion miles from the sun

=> 43 billion miles in 8 years = 5,375 blllion miles/year

Distance earth to sun = 93 million miles

If Planet-X/Nibiru travels 5,375 billion miles/year, then it should have been here already somewhere in 1994!!

Something is not right here....

Well here is some additional thought:

Planet-X/ Nibiru 1984 => 50 billion miles from earth
8 years later ( 1992 ) => 7 billion miles from the sun

1. The difference of 43 billion miles isn't the correct difference ... the 2 given distances are not relative to the same thing (earth/sun).
2. everything is moving and orbiting. Depending of where earth is relative to the sun could make a difference of 2 * 93 = 186 million miles !
3. In addition to point 2 the absolute distance is a result of a vector calculation
4. traveling speeds in elliptical orbits are not linear

This does not give you the answer true or not of course but it may help take away some confusion.

P.S. I later realized the distance to the the sun is 'only' 93 million miles which is relatively small compared to numbers in billion of miles

Calz

12th February 2011, 14:19

Laura Knight-Jadczyk has some "side issues" going as as Bill Ryan and Jay Weidner can attest to.

That said she is a great writer and superb researcher.

Her is a link to an older artical (just republished) that gives as much detail into this subject as anyone would hope to find (and then some for others):

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/223660-Has-Nibiru-Planet-X-Been-Sighted-

Swami

12th February 2011, 14:55

A Brown Dwarf Star Explains So Many Unanswered Questions

Have you ever asked yourself how scientists can know the composition of a planet that's orbiting a star light years away, but yet, they can not come to agreement as to what causes ice ages right here on our own planet Earth?

Yes there are various theories, but there is by far no type of "The World is Round" kind of consensus about why Earth goes through cyclical warming and cooling periods like clockwork.

How about the fact that modern science can actually take an image of an atom but can't seem to figure out how the ancient people of the world built such monuments as the Great Pyramid or Tiwanaku.

We can go to the moon, but we don't understand gravity. Humans can bring living things back from the dead, fondle an organism's DNA, and grow internal organs in a dish, but yet, we don't know what caused the fall of all civilizations worldwide 3,600 years ago.

Have you ever pondered such questions? If you have, maybe you have come to the same conclusion I have, that we are being taught NOT to learn such things.

In this article I am going to try my best to add the missing link to the equation that causes so many unanswered questions. It all fits together nicely.

http://rabbithole2.com/news/top_news/a_brown_dwarf_star_explains_so_many_unanswered_questions.php

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 15:18

I watched Patrick Geryls interview with GREAT INTEREST heres a guy who TRULY BELIEVES these are the last months of civilization -

he states he has decoded ancient messages which were a WARNING that this happens in cycles and that in 2012 a KILL SHOT WILL WIPE US OUT

HE SAYS EVERY BUILDING ON EARTH WILL BE LEVELED ,EVERY VOLCANOE WILL GO OFF , 3 MILE HIGH TSUNAMIS WORLDWIDE WILL ENGULF CONTINENTS , EARTHQUAKES ETC ETC

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 15:55

for anyone WHO MAY BE INTERESTED i have come across this guy on you tube who i think is a physicist HE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN PREDICTING THE EARTHQUAKES IN DIFFERENT REGIONS OF THE WORLD ......and he is getting it RIGHT !!!

i have been following his work for a while but some of it is TOO COMPLICATED for me but he does try to explain things to me when i ask him questions he is COMPLETLEY CONVINCED PLANET X IS A REALITY !

he goes under the name of FREETHISONE.................CHECK HIM OUT

Inelia

12th February 2011, 16:15

I too have been wondering why the powers that be are hiding Planet X. It is being shielded on various levels, including RV. It doesn't make any sense to me. Does it exist? I think so.

Hi Inelia - Wow! How would they shield this type of knowledge (or any other for that matter) from RV? I can understand it being shielded from an individual they're aware of doing RV but on a global scale...well...I have no idea how they'd do that. Very fascinating! Can you explain further?

Thank you!

Very good question, please eloborate Inelia...

I haven't really looked at how a group or people, or a particular person, creates the shield. That is a very, very good question and something I will look into. However, I have experienced shields before. When approaching a shield, depending on the nature of the shield, I encounter an energy force that repels. The way these energy forces are experienced depends on their nature and the vibration of the person who is approaching. It is like osmosis, allows certain vibrations in, and not others. And there are those which are blankets, and block everything.
The shield around Planet X and the locations on Earth that are monitoring it felt dimming and nauseous. I only looked at it a few days ago when a friend and I were talking about Planet X. I felt it was curious that someone would shield such a thing, and they explained that the entire subject was being kept secret on a world wide scale (yeah, I didn't know). Although I found the whole thing interesting, it wasn't something I went back to, or though about again until I saw this thread.

To penetrate a shield takes a lot of time and energy, which I am spending in other areas at the moment. However, what really interests me is why the elite are hiding it, not so much that they are hiding it. The only reason that comes up for me is that they want to use it as a tool.

Mutchie

12th February 2011, 17:16

Dam Inelia im just away out to drop my daughter off at her friends im fascinated with this talk of remote viewing i have heard of it but i have never really looked into it but ed dames and ingo swann etc really seem to have made significant predictions with it I WANT TO KNOW MORE be back soon family dutys im afraid lol

Inelia

12th February 2011, 17:22

Hi Mutchie, I myself have to go for the day to take care of other commitments. But certainly look forward to exploring the RV subject more too. Not sure if this is the right thread though.

greybeard

12th February 2011, 17:31

This is a scientist on Coast to Coast talking about the energy predicted to come from the sun and the Niberu planet x briefly.
Now what I hadent realized is that we are going into an area of the Universe that no man has gone into before.
Earth has, its part of the large cycle which lasts millions of years.

A lot of information about the possible affects of energy about 2012 but it may happen earlier, Oct this year possible.

The audio is in ten parts but worth listening to.
Bright future, but not for all, it would seem.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgUdg2NAmc&feature=player_embedded

observer

12th February 2011, 18:41

This topic has been broached in other threads here on the Project Avalon Forum.

Here's an example of Bill Ryans response in the past:

Hi everyone ! With all due respect Bill, how can it be a sundog when the person capturing the photo says that she saw it with her bare eyes before taking the picture ? Unless she is lying !
I think the sundog explanation is not correct.
I will get back soon with planet positions in that general area and time ?

Excuse me Solace why can't we have an open discussion about the topic of Planet X ?
Are you or is anyone else 100% sure that it does not exist ? Does it expressly state in the by-laws of the forum that we cannot discuss and explore this topic.

Hi there -

Yes, I do think 'Planet X' may well exist. It may be a brown dwarf star. See Andy Lloyd's excellent website http://www.darkstar1.co.uk. I've talked at length with Bill Deagle about this personally.

If it's a brown dwarf, it radiates in the infrared and is maybe somewhere around the orbit of Jupiter, sweeping in form the south. That's one very plausible reason for the SPT (the South Pole Telescope).

a) There's no way it's going to be right next to the sun - it would have been noticed in the last eclipse! And if it was this close we'd certainly know about it as the geophysical effects would be significant (and that may be an understatement).

b) No-one's going to take snapshot of it with a digital camera at sunset, and take tens of thousands of amateur astronomers completely by surprise!

c) Sunset is when sundogs almost always appear. They can be seen with the naked eye, and are not a lens flare artifact - they are formed by refractions between cloud layers (basically). They're like a sort of mirage (again, very basically). They DO usually look like the image Viking posted - but not always.

Additionally, I quote from an earlier comment made by myself on this same issue. It seems there are those who need further clairfication:

Perhaps I can shed some light on this subject from the perspective of an observer:

First of all, the image one sees on free internet programs like GoogleSky, Space Telescope, etc. are (for the most part) several years old. The combined image is a collage of multiple surveys of our universe. These images come from many different sources.

To assume one of the air shafts in the pyramids could point to Planet X is ludicrous. The constellation Orion moves across the night sky; just as all the other constellations move across the sky. Orion is just to the South of the "plane of the ecliptic" in the area of Cancer, Pisces and Taurus. Once a year (for a period of several months) Orion can be seen crossing the night sky; each night progressing a little further from the East to the West - right along with its relationship to Cancer, Pisces and Taurus. To view a celestial body within the constellation of Orion from an air shaft in the Pyramid, one would need the ability to turn the pyramid structure on at least two axis - just like a telescope.

Orion is generally considered a Northern constellation, i.e. predominantly visible from the Northern Hemisphere. The alleged path of Nibiru/Planet X is said to be a long period elliptical orbit only visible (at this time) from the Southern Hemisphere. Any object discovered in the area of Orion from the Northern Hemisphere in 1982, and on an incoming trajectory to the center of our solar system, would (long ago) have passed out of sight from any location in the Northern Hemisphere.

Planets of our solar system always appear within the "Plane of the Elliptic" (that same narrow band where the constellations of the Zodiac appear). Whenever prominent planets appear in the sky (for instance Mars or Venus) the internet is filled with uninformed reports of Nibiru. I've been observing this phenomenon since I first got a computer in the late nineties.

Trust my observations. There are thousands of professional and armature astronomers watching the night sky each and every night. If there were a Planet X within our inner solar system, "real" evidence of it would be all over the Net.

Please, learn at least the basics before you post. It saves so much time for others interested in the topic....

shiva777

12th February 2011, 19:34

things you might find interesting regarding planet X......I have heard from a number of unrelated sources that Planet X was blown up in 2003..Swerdlow,Benedicte,Ashayana Deane,Lisa Renee and others...feels right to me..only it's fragments are floating around now

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/esp_hercolobus_0.htm

Bill Ryan

12th February 2011, 19:43

I too have been wondering why the powers that be are hiding Planet X. It is being shielded on various levels, including RV. It doesn't make any sense to me. Does it exist? I think so.

It's a good question. It may be because at the moment they're not confident they can answer questions about it.

It's hard for a President (or a Five Star General, or the Director of National Intelligence) to face the press, take questions, and answer "Gee, we just don't know."

They may also be waiting for the exactly optimum opportunity to make an announcement and then let that be a huge distraction while something else is quietly happening elsewhere.

One thing I feel sure of is that it's got nothing to do with ETs or the Anunnaki. It's a physical problem. A large bowling ball is being rolled through the solar system - and while it won't hit anything, it will probably create gravitational and electromagnetic effects. These of course may already have started (inasmuch as various forms of solar activity may be triggered as the large object approaches).

things you might find interesting regarding planet X......I have heard from a number of unrelated sources that Planet X was blown up in 2003..Swerdlow,Benedicte,Ashayana Deane,Lisa Renee and others...feels right to me..only it's fragments are floating around now

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/esp_hercolobus_0.htm

Nonsense. Another asteroid belt would have been created. Someone might have noticed!

giovonni

12th February 2011, 20:18

From Bill Ryan

"One thing I feel sure of is that it's got nothing to do with ETs or the Anunnaki. It's a physical problem. A large bowling ball is being rolled through the solar system - and while it won't hit anything, it will probably create gravitational and electromagnetic effects. These of course may already have started (inasmuch as various forms of solar activity may be triggered as the large object approaches)."

i totally agree with this statement :bowl:

slvrfx

12th February 2011, 20:30

On the one hand we have Nasa denying its Existence but they are warning us to be prepared for SEVERE SOLAR STORMS IN 2012 which possibly could wipe out our power grid and throw us back into the dark ages

I find myself wandering if maybe this is a cover story for planet X -

I came across a document called "The Pentagon Abrupt Climate change Report" in Oct. of 2003, which has given me a whole different way of viewing things, not just from a scientific perspective, but also what our Gov. is doing.

Because this 24 page report is saying ABRUPT and not the slower warming Gore was pushing, it led me to believe they KNOW something's up, but don't want to freak us out, so it's a timely release of tidbits.

(Which I believe ties in with why Charles might be, with the OK of the 33, revealing certain things.)

I've ofter referred to this report, because it has a timeline, and seems to be eerily 'on schedule'.

If that were the case, it could explain the contrails, it could explain Homeland Security, FEMA, even the Patriot Act.

Setting things up, in advance of a actual 'event' so everything could be in place.

Who hasn't heard of the FEMA camps being set up and the restoration of those infamous interrment (sp?) camps used to house the American/Japanese citizens during WWII?

It could even explain the liberal immigration laws that get people so hot under the collar.

I don't like to refer to movies, but I must this one, for which Art Bell was a consultant..."Day After Tomorrow". Remember how Americans had to cross the border and go south into Mexico?

Not only does this report have a timeline for natural events, but also very specific recommendations for what our Gov. needs to be doing.

This report was submitted to the President, Congress, and all governments around the world.

(Food for thought.)

http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/international/press/reports/an-abrupt-climate-change-scena.pdf

12gaugeangel

12th February 2011, 20:44

...Of course that date could have been fed to them to mislead modern society...

seems more likely that ancient information would be planted to inform the open-minded rather than misinform the open-minded. The group that has the most to lose is modern PTBs... not ancient or time-neutral

Ross

12th February 2011, 20:53

slvrfx

12th February 2011, 20:56

I saw an article on space.com, in December that was about this huge 'thing' which in in our solar system. It was a NASA article on how scientists know of the existence of this, but don't know what it is. They suggest an Oort cloud, a red dwarf, or an incoming planet.

I can't find that particular article, but I found this one, dated Mar. 2010, which is basically saying the same thing. (Even naming it Nemesis.)

http://www.space.com/8028-sun-nemesis-pelted-earth-comets-study-suggests.html

(This March 2010 article is saying it's close to our solar system, the Dec. 2010 article says it's IN our solar system. They even had a graphic 'map' of it's location within our solar system.)

Ross

12th February 2011, 21:10

2012 21st december.... will it be planet X causing a pole shift or will Patrick Geryls prediction of A KILL SHOT from the sun cause a pole shift =

IS THE HUMAN RACE DOOMED ON THAT DATE ? Thank you

No. 21/12/ 2012 will pass without the above occuring. At a later date there is the possible timeframe for earthly events that are serious, it has happened all before, but not 2012.

Ross
Hi Ross, with respect you havent got a clue as to future events, nor have I.So your guessing,based on other peoples guessing.Best not to be too definitive in this game.. regards shijo.

Far from guessing. There is a wealth of information; actually Science that proves this Earth has been through some very serious changes in the past. Catastrophic changes. Based on that, the Earth will at some point in the future go through similiar events. When? that would be guessing.

Far from guessing that 2012 will proceed without a Catastrophic event; there maybe a minor event at best. Most likely scenario is a CME from the Sun, which if a bullseye direct hit occurs then we will see damage. This will be serious in terms of the power grid, communications ECT, but not life threatening in terms of an ELE (extinction level event)

There is more hype than facts presented on the 2012 issue, so I take the road of logic on this one.

Ross.

shiva777

12th February 2011, 21:26

Bills said "One thing I feel sure of is that it's got nothing to do with ETs or the Anunnaki"...what makes you feel sure of that Bill?..

I too have been wondering why the powers that be are hiding Planet X. It is being shielded on various levels, including RV. It doesn't make any sense to me. Does it exist? I think so.

It's a good question. It may be because at the moment they're not confident they can answer questions about it.

It's hard for a President (or a Five Star General, or the Director of National Intelligence) to face the press, take questions, and answer "Gee, we just don't know."

They may also be waiting for the exactly optimum opportunity to make an announcement and then let that be a huge distraction while something else is quietly happening elsewhere.

One thing I feel sure of is that it's got nothing to do with ETs or the Anunnaki. It's a physical problem. A large bowling ball is being rolled through the solar system - and while it won't hit anything, it will probably create gravitational and electromagnetic effects. These of course may already have started (inasmuch as various forms of solar activity may be triggered as the large object approaches).

things you might find interesting regarding planet X......I have heard from a number of unrelated sources that Planet X was blown up in 2003..Swerdlow,Benedicte,Ashayana Deane,Lisa Renee and others...feels right to me..only it's fragments are floating around now

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/hercolobus/esp_hercolobus_0.htm

Nonsense. Another asteroid belt would have been created. Someone might have noticed!

again...Bill ...why would an asteroid belt need to be created...try thinking before you comment...are you aware of what technologies that are millions of years ahead of ours can do?....things can easily be dematerialised.blown up with it's fragments shepherded out of it's original spaces and a million other possibilities...you keep coming up with very narrow minded ideas and assumptions that fit your left brained limits...the "charles" material being a perfect example of that..

giovonni

12th February 2011, 22:03

From Bill Ryan (paraphrased)..."and while it won't hit anything, it will probably create gravitational and electromagnetic effects."

Shiva...one could say this in regards to your very determined spunk! :hug:

:love: Gio

Mutchie

13th February 2011, 14:45

Im glad i started this thread i have found out things and have heards ideas which differed from my own i wanted to apoligise to Ross about the caps earlier i got a bit carried away , Anyway it,s 2011 and we all know how fast time goes by its going to be the END OF 2012 before we know it & then we will find out whether its going to be a BAD HAIRDAY OR NOT take care folks & thank you

pugwash84

13th February 2011, 14:56

http://kepler.nasa.gov/ kepler found planets

AtlasFactor

14th February 2011, 12:01

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moais

14th February 2011, 12:15

post link, video not showing

Midnight Rambler

14th February 2011, 12:22

Need help posting a youtube video?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13076-Youtube-videos&p=117968&viewfull=1#post117968

gigawatt

14th February 2011, 12:22

I believe this is the link from the You Tube video you were trying to post

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1356748/Search-Tyche-believed-largest-planet-solar-system.html

New Dawn

14th February 2011, 12:23

haha 'Nibiru existence ADMITTED' is all that you wanted to share :)

Icecold

14th February 2011, 12:31

haha 'Nibiru existence ADMITTED' is all that you wanted to share :)

i think the point is that it is creeping into the mainstream press

nawibo

14th February 2011, 22:48

Hi everybody
I just came across this news :
"Tyche: Meet the Mysterious New Super-Planet Said to Be in Our Solar System" from AOL news
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/14/tyche-meet-the-mysterious-new-super-planet-said-to-be-in-our-so/

Is this planet X?
Do you have other information about this discovery?

Thanks

Nawibo

math330

14th February 2011, 23:02

The link says it's more a hypothesis than anything solid right now - and there's no mention of it's orbit. But they're convinced there's something there... who knows :)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/up-telescope-search-begins-for-giant-new-planet-2213119.html

NinjaPhil

14th February 2011, 23:06

Looks like they're already getting the public prepared for an announcement...

Steven

14th February 2011, 23:38

...and there's no mention of it's orbit...

If you go to the source of the article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/up-telescope-search-begins-for-giant-new-planet-2213119.html

You'll find the orbit here: http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00555/tyche3_555342a.pdf

Namaste, Steven

Shane_Original

14th February 2011, 23:42

Hello all,

Merged these two threads on the same subject. (albeit two different articles)

Much love and respect,
Shane

This topic was also discussed much earlier. As most of this information is more recent, and it all seems to be reappearing. I won't merge this with the earliest. However, I DID update the thread title a little. If this is a problem to the OP, please PM me to let me know. :)

Thanks again.

Older thread here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8873-Finally-it-is-official-giant-stealth-planet-may-lurk-nearby!&highlight=Tyche

crosby

14th February 2011, 23:51

Looks like they're already getting the public prepared for an announcement...

which would account for the federal emergency management system upgrading their emergency broadcasts.......not sure when they said they would have it all in place, but i'm sure there's no accounting for time......warmest regards - corson

at least that's what they're doing here in the states

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haha 'Nibiru existence ADMITTED' is all that you wanted to share :)

i think the point is that it is creeping into the mainstream press

i think you nailed it. that's how they do the things that they do. let it slip out in bits and pieces.......then "WHAM"......it will be interesting to see if it becomes a permanent fixture in the mainstream media now.
warmest regards, corson

Autumn

15th February 2011, 00:08

I like this part:

"The IAU would also have the final say about the gas giant's name. To the Greeks, Tyche was the goddess responsible for the destiny of cities. Her name was provisionally chosen in reference to an earlier hypothesis, now largely abandoned, that the Sun might be part of a binary star system with a dim companion, tentatively called Nemesis, that was thought responsible for mass extinctions on Earth. In myth, Tyche was the good sister of Nemesis."

Considering the names NEMESIS and the sister TYCHE ... Goddess destroyer, and her sister mass extinction ... why nok call it Care Bear or Huggy or something less frightening if they want to avoid the ARRRRGGHHhhhhh!!!! reaction?

NinjaPhil

15th February 2011, 00:22

well given the info in the Independent story, I think we're going to see trickles of news over the next couple of months and something more concrete in April when the first results start coming back in... I wonder if it'll ever get renamed to Nibiru?

zeca61

16th February 2011, 11:42

"Does a rogue planet, known as Nibiru invading our solar system from deep space menace our world? Why does the Mayan Calendar end in 2012? Is humanity doomed, or at the nexus of a spiritual renaissance in connection with the passing of Nibiru in proximity with our solar system? Explore these prophetic myths--while there's still time...!"

Thanks to UFO TV Studios!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFzvrCa-j10

iceni tribe

16th February 2011, 11:55

it's a big read so here is the link

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/223660-Has-Nibiru-Planet-X-Been-Sighted-

str8thinker

17th February 2011, 00:26

This was posted not so long ago here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13949

Perhaps the two threads should be merged.

Also, @iceni tribe:
Sott.net is run by Laura Knight-Jadczyk, of somewhat dubious credibility, so tread warily there.

shiva777

18th February 2011, 19:36

Kerry gives her ideas and opinions about many important topics...like Bill,she has a very clouded view about many things but interesting food for thought here

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/otherworldradio/2011/02/18/kerry-cassidy--interview-project-camelot-and-the-quest-for-truth

Sentience

18th February 2011, 19:46

Got it on full blast and the computer speakers full blast and can barely hear it, the sound quality is mediocre.

RAKMEiSTER

18th February 2011, 20:56

same show, downloaded with an firefox addon to mp3

KERRY CASSIDY - Interview "Project Camelot and the Quest for TRUTH"
http://www.sendspace.com/file/o0z2nu
File Name: show_1512418.mp3
Size: 25.67MB

irishspirit

19th February 2011, 19:52

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFzvrCa-j10

write4change

19th February 2011, 20:41

I just watched this video and found it infinitely worth the time. and will watch it again.

My deep appreciation for posting it.

Henners

19th February 2011, 22:27

Hey Irishspirit, just watched your video and loved it. I feel the end message with the butterfly really resonates with me. I have had readings by several independent people from different areas and they have all told me a very strong message of our role on this planet. I personally feel, the concept of our enlightenment is truly what is happening to us.
Thank you once again........

Arrowwind

19th February 2011, 22:31

So is this Nibiru that they have been reporting about on the news this week? or is Nibiru something else?

Charlie Pecos

20th February 2011, 01:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFzvrCa-j10

Hello Irishspirit,

Thank you for this video. I was particularly interested in the antarctic segment. Have you taken a look at the south pole on google earth? Complete obfuscation of the antarctic continent, with an extra layer of white obfuscation at the pole and also a strip leading out to the coast of the Ross sea.

At the coast is apparent obfuscation of the coast line of about 300 miles. Beneath the obfuscation there appears to be structures of some kind, and they run for about 278 miles. Additionally, I noticed on Monster Jobs that US government contractors were recruiting construction workers for extended stays down there. There is something HUGE going on down there away from prying eyes. Would love to know more.

ponda

20th February 2011, 06:34

Very interesting video and thanks for posting it.

shiva777

20th February 2011, 19:25

people are getting really loopy with their fear based Elenin and imminent pole shift info

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V-xvN9ldhc

linz2d

20th February 2011, 20:15

The first time I heard about comet Elenin was just earlier today. And now we have a excellent video response from a rational person contradicting the claims for pole shift. However he does point out that we may have a something interesting to see later on in the year. It sound very close to a prophesy I know so I will follow this topic with some interest. What I find interesting is why I have never heard of it till today.

irishspirit

22nd February 2011, 18:47

In the early 1990's, calculations by the United States Naval Observatory have confirmed the orbital perturbation exhibited by Uranus and Neptune, which Dr. Thomas C Van Flandern (http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/eph2000.asp), an astronomer at the observatory, says could be explained by "a single undiscovered planet". He and a colleague, Dr. Robert Harrington (http://adsbit.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=1988AJ.....96.1476H), calculate that the 10th planet should be two to five times more massive than Earth and have a highly elliptical orbit that takes it some 5 billion miles beyond that of Pluto.

We know today that beyond the giant planets Jupiter and Saturn lie more major planets, Uranus and Neptune, and a small planet, Pluto. But such knowledge is quite recent. Uranus was discovered, through the use of improved telescopes, in 1781. Neptune was pinpointed by astronomers (guided by mathematical calculations) in 1846. It became evident that Neptune was being subjected to unknown gravitational pull, and in 1930 Pluto (was located). The latest advances (http://www.xfacts.com/sedna_planetx_2004.htm) in space imaging do not rely solely on orbital perturbations as the way for locating and identifying possible candidates for Planet X.
http://xfacts.com/x1.htm

Some of the latest advances in Space Science imaging suggest that a 10th planet exists in our own solar system. In his multimedia MUFON-LA presentation, researcher Jason Martell illustrated the historic timeline of the "Search for Planet X" by NASA and mainstream science. This planet is being actively searched for by modern astronomers--because they know it does exist!

6,000 years ago, the Sumerians were also aware of a planet they called Nibiru. They described a race of “gods” that lived on that planet, and visited us in our past, dramatically affecting our own culture. Artifacts and stone tablets excavated from Iraq clearly speak of a planet that was the home world of ancient astronauts. On his website, www.xfacts.com (http://www.xfacts.com), Jason has assembled the largest virtual collection of Sumerian artifacts, allowing visitors unprecedented access to the evidence

http://ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=42

Interesting 60 Minute presentation on this issues. http://xfacts.com/MUFON_LA/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn3d5uanmPA

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8455463081731396782#docid=733884370228346852

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4341528330489422334#

The term "Nibiru" comes from the Sumerian cuneiform stone tablets and writings that are 6,000 years old. The term Nibiru means "Planet of the crossing". The Sumerian culture is the first recorded civilization on earth, then called Sumeria, today's Iraq. It has been known throughout ensuing time periods as Sumer, Mesopotamia, and Babylon, all the same location for where earth's first culture shows up on earth. The Sumerian Culture is the oldest known civilization we know of based on the artifacts and monuments that still remain.

Stories throughout the English version of the bible, today's modern version, speak of many events that changed the course of humanity in our past. If we look at the stories in the bible as historical accounts of what actually took place, then we need to research the origins of these stories. The Hebrew version of the bible, known as the Old Testament, which is a much older version than the English translation, is derived from the stories of the Sumerian Culture. When we trace the origins of the Old Testament we can see that it is also based on previous translations from subsequent older languages throughout history.

The Sumerian culture, the first civilization to invent writing as a complete written language, recorded stories that have been preserved through the modern day biblical passages found in the Old and New Testaments — all of which speak of a time when man lived among their living gods here on earth. The Sumerians had 7 sacred tablets that explained our creation. These stories, preserved in stone, are now told to us in the form of the English version, "7 days of Creation".

They also had a story of a great flood, and how one of the gods chose to give a certain Sumerian man knowledge on how to build a boat that could withstand the great flood. All the stories in the bible are just translated versions of the original Sumerian Texts that we still have today preserved in stone, unchanged.

The Sumerians tell us that their gods taught them all the amazing knowledge that the Sumerian Culture possessed, 6,000 years ago. They called their gods, "Annunaki" which is translated to mean "those who from heaven to earth came".

They have left us artifacts and stone tablet pictures that say the Annunaki came from another planet within our own solar system. They call this planet "Nibiru" which is where the Annunaki came from, according to the Sumerian translations. The Sumerians say that the Annunaki live on Nibiru, which has a 3,600 year orbit around our sun. All the other information they state including the color of the outer planets, and even the distance between the planets, has been proven to be accurate. We sent space probes out in the 70's that took the first pictures in color, which confirmed the Sumerian descriptions.

The Sumerians were the first to invent over 100 of the first's for a modern culture. All academic references to the origins of writing, math, science, medicine, astronomy, lead to the Sumerian culture and their amazing artifacts. We still use their math, medicine, science, time, music, astronomy, and many other fields, even to this day.
Planet X
The term "Planet X" refers to the search for another planet beyond Pluto through mainstream scientific efforts. The space probes sent out by NASA, mainly Voyager and Pioneer, detected perturbations in the outer planets which suggested that there is still another planet, or heavenly body beyond Pluto that is affecting the orbits of the outer planets. Some of the latest public knowledge about this research done by NASA was conducted by Dr. Richard Harrington, who was the lead astronomer at NASA's Naval Observatory in Washington. (now deceased)

The Planet X searched for by astronomers during the last two or three decades is the planet that was believed to be affecting the orbit of Neptune — once the effects of Uranus on Neptune had been taken into account. Lowell and several other astronomers made extensive searches and calculations in the region of sky that they had calculated as the position for the missing planet.

Then, Sept 30, 1846 -— one week after the discovery of Neptune, Le Verrier declared that there may be still another unknown planet out there. On October 10, Neptune's large moon Triton was discovered, which yielded an easy way to accurately determine the mass of Neptune, which turned out to be 2% larger than expected from the perturbations upon Uranus. Finally, astronomer Tombaugh found Pluto in 1930 — albeit six degrees away from the calculated point of their search for another planet beyond Neptune at that time.

It was quickly realized that Pluto was too small to have the supposed gravitational effect on Neptune, and so the search went on beyond Pluto, for yet one more missing planet, that we now call Planet X.
Zecharia Sitchin (http://www.mars-earth.com/sitchin.htm), the first scholar to uncover the Sumerian information, has not stated publicly when he feels Nibiru will return. Based on Sitchin's interpretations of the Sumerian information, Nibiru does not always effect our planet with its inner passage between Jupiter and Mars. Nibiru has been orbiting our sun for 4.7 billion years or so. Since Nibiru's orbit is 3,600 years, it has already made millions of orbits around our sun.
Zecharia Sitchin was born in Russia and raised in Palestine, where he acquired a profound knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew, the Old Testament, and the history and archeology of the Near East. He is one of the few scholars who is able to read and understand Sumerian, which is the oldest language currently known to man.

PLANET X's ORBIT AND THE SUMERIAN CULTURE

To illustrate some of the amazing knowledge the Sumerians possessed 6,000 years ago, I will use a reference to something that to this day is still being taught in our high schools and colleges. When the Earth was much older, we can determine the land mass was once a clumped together mass at one point in time. But due to the process known as "Continental Drift" the land clump was slowly pulled apart to where the current land masses are today.
We can see clear proof that the continents were all once connected by simply looking at a map of the Earth and seeing how the pieces fit. That would only mean that at one time, Earth was basically half a planet.
If you were to siphon all the water off of Earth's surface, you would see a large gaping hole where the ocean has filled in this tremendous missing part of the Earth. Where did it go? Why is Earth only half a planet? The diagrams shown here are descriptions from the Sumerians explaining how our Earth came to be... They state that the satellites of Planet X (Nibiru) as they called it, collided with our primitive Earth in the past, creating the asteroid belt and forever becoming another member of our solar system in a comet like 3,600 year orbit around the sun.

"PANGEA" EXPLAINED BY THE SUMERIANS 6,000 YEARS AGO

Planet X being pulled into our solar system by the outer planets gravitational pull.

Planet X's orbit around our sun, as told to us by the Sumerians in their 7 tablets of creation.

In February, 1971, the United States launched Pioneer 10. Pioneer 10 scientists attached to it an engraved aluminum plaque. It attempts to tell whoever might find the plaque that Mankind is male and female, etc., and that (Pioneer 10) is from the 3rd planet of this Sun. Our astronomy is geared to the notion that Earth is the 3rd planet, which indeed it is if one begins the count from the center of our system, the Sun. But to someone nearing our solar system from the outside, the 1st planet to be encountered would be Pluto, the 2nd Neptune, the 3rd Uranus, the 4th Saturn, the 5th Jupiter, the 6th Mars .. and the Earth would be 7th.
http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/planetx.htm

irishspirit

22nd February 2011, 18:58

Planet X is the new kid on the solar system block. The “X” can either refer to the fact it would be the tenth planet of our solar system, or an unknown planet. In many respects, it is probably the former, in that there appears to be a great deal of information on this deep denizen -- at least from the runaway nature of the Internet and e-mail circuits. For example, one circulating e-mail provides an executive summary to wit: “Two things are certain: 1) Planet X exists, and 2) it is coming between May 15 and May 30 of 2003. The rest is speculation.” The emphasis is on speculation -- i.e. the good news is that this latest theory can likely be put to bed within the year -- or else it really won’t make any difference, in that:

“According to NASA scientists, the earth will stand still for about three days and then, in one hour, rotate a full 90 degrees (the geographical pole shift) during which time winds will be an average of 200 miles per hour. Every volcano on earth will erupt and of course there will be many earthquakes, so two thirds of earth's population will die in that one hour surprise. Then another 20% will starve to death during the next six months because the volcanic ash will cover the earth and keep out sunlight for six months. About 10% of the [world’s] population (about 600 million) will survive.

“NASA's top scientists wanted to go to Mars and survive but that didn't work out. So they are making a space station which will be able to maneuver itself on the other side of earth, using earth as a shield between the space station and Planet X. This way the top scientists will live. He said it is already affecting Neptune's gravitational pole and once it gets close to Pluto, it will take only three months to get here. Once near Pluto it will be a "red dot in the sky" which will gradually get bigger during several months, and can be seen with the naked eye six weeks before the pole shift. The northern inland part of the States is good; it is where the scientists are going. This will be near the equator after the shift.”

Now that we have your attention, we should also note that there are some comparatively rationally-based websites and reports on Planet X as well. A good website one might have once visited (but which now requires a password, i.e. limited access is: <http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/February2002/xkbo4/xkbo4.htm> (The “xkbo” reference, incidentally, is “an Unknown Kuiper Belt Object”, the latter being the supposed source of solar system comets and miscellaneous, careening objects.) This website was intended to keep one abreast of current developments in the coming year, but is now apparently intended to keep only certain select individuals abreast. [Why does that make me wonder -- and perhaps even worry a bit?]
For purposes of additional background, an article by Joan d’Arc, entitled “Planet X: Is a Runaway Wrecking Ball Part of Our Solar System” is sufficiently interesting it is included here in its entirety -- with links to other webpages and websites added or highlighted.

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Planet X: Is a Runaway Wrecking Ball Part of Our Solar System?

by Joan d'Arc

Ancient Sumerian (http://www.halexandria.org/dward183.htm) texts indicate that the Earth (“Tiamat”) was struck by a large planet, which moved it into its present orbit, and created the Moon and the Asteroid Belt. In his books, The Twelfth Planet and The Cosmic Code, Zecharia Sitchin (http://www.halexandria.org/dward195.htm) outlines this “celestial battle”, as described in the Babylonian text, the Enuma Elish [“Epic of Creation (http://www.halexandria.org/dward179.htm)”].

The planet “Marduk” (the Sumerian “Nibiru”), as it came into the solar system on its clockwise elliptical course, struck Tiamat, which was moving in a counterclockwise orbit. One of Marduk’s satellites struck Tiamat first, followed by two more of Marduk’s moons. Then Marduk itself, an enormous planetary body, struck Tiamat, smashing one half of the planet into pieces, which became the Earth’s Moon and the “Great Band” (Asteroid Belt). The other half of the planet, which was struck by a smaller moon of Marduk, was moved into a new orbit, along with a chunk of material which became its moon. The new planet was then called “KI,” meaning “cleaved one.” The Earth’s original moons were dispersed, many changing the direction of their orbits. [more information in Annals of Earth (http://www.halexandria.org/dward178.htm)]

Sitchin has also written in Divine Encounters, about the planet where God the creator resides and which is referred to in the Bible as Olamin, the plural of Olam. The meaning of “olam” in the ancient world was a measure of a really long time, specifically related to the span of time between the periodic disappearance and reappearance of the planet Marduk/Nibiru on its vast 3,600 year elliptical orbit. The domain of Olamin was described as a kingdom which encompasses many worlds.

According to Robert Temple, in The Sirius Mystery, the Dogon tribe of Mali call this planet “the egg of the world,” and they say it is the origin of all things. They say of this planet that it is “the center of all things and without its movement no other star could hold its course.” They say it is made of a heavy metallic compound called “sagala.” The Sumerians also wrote that this planetary “god,” Nibiru, “remade our solar system and remakes the Earth on its near passages.”

According to the web site http://xfacts.com (http://xfacts.com/), the 12th Planet’s periodic appearance and disappearance from Earth’s view confirms the assumption of its permanence in solar orbit. In this it acts like many comets. The writers then ask, why are our astronomers not aware of the existence of this planet? The answer is that even an orbit half as long as that of the comet Kohoutek (7,500 years) would take the 12th Planet about 6 times further away from us than Pluto. At this distance, the planet would not be visible from Earth. [See also, the Nibiru Cycle (http://www.halexandria.org/dward238.htm).] [You might also want to take a quick gander at http://xfacts.com (http://xfacts.com/), if only because of its very busy, artistic presentation!]

The ancient tale of Nibiru’s Celestial Battle is actually scientifically sophisticated, and current advances in astronomy have recently corroborated certain aspects of the Sumerian cosmogony, among them the following:

• The March 16, 1999 announcement by NASA at the 30th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston of the theory of the origin of Earth’s Moon as a catastrophic collision with a “Mars-size planet.”
• Hubble’s recent discovery of 18 (at last count) stars, and numerous Jupiter-size planets (last count 9) with highly elliptical and retrograde (counterclockwise) orbits. Such orbits are now understood to be quite the norm in nearby solar systems, although they are considered peculiar in our own.
• The 1994 announcement by NASA of a one-mile wide moon orbiting the 33-mile wide asteroid Ida, which follows the expectation that if a planetary body in this solar system exploded (or collided), the debris will be gravitationally bound in orbits around a primary body.
• The discovery of water, atmosphere and perhaps previous life on Mars, the Moon and Europa.
• Why there is a strange gravitational “pull” on Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, which indicates there is another body of significant size beyond it. Planet X – Myth or Fact?

In an article entitled “A History of Planet X – From the Present Day Search to the Seeding of Life on Earth” [1] Alan Alford writes that the discovery of new planets in the last two hundred years owes more to mathematics than to bigger telescopes. Mathematical irregularities in the orbits of the outer planets, in particular, strange wobbles and gravitational anomalies noted in the orbits of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, have prompted astronomers over the past hundred years to search for a large planetary body in the outer solar system. Based on this mathematical evidence, astronomers have been so sure of the reality of this planet that they named it Planet X. The name stands for the tenth planet, as well as the symbol for an unknown quantity. [His article at -- www2.eridu.co.uk/eridu/minisites/ planetx.html (http://www2.eridu.co.uk/eridu/minisites/%20planetx)--is apparently no longer available! In fact there seems to be a definite trend on websites on this subject disappearing off the Inter Net. It's a goog thing we're not inclined toward Conspiracies (http://www.halexandria.org/dward459.htm)!]
http://www.halexandria.org/dward236.htm

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth... That the sons of God
saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God
came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men
which were of old, men of renown." (Genesis 6:1-2,4.)

According to the studies of Zecharia Sitchin, there is a 12th planet in our solar system (known to scientists as the possible 'Planet X'). This planet is called Nibiru, and is situated somewhere beyond Pluto. This planet, unlike the other planets in our solar system, has an elliptical orbit and moves clockwise rather than counterclockwise. It was a collision of Nibiru with another planet in our solar system (Maldek) which created Earth. Nibiru's orbit passes thorough our solar system only once every 3,600 years, which is equal to one Nibiru year. This controversial theory is based on Sitchin's interpretation of ancient Sumerian texts, with its origin in the Bible, in the book of Genisis. Sitchin has spent decades as an archeologist and historian in the Middle East, researching ancient writings from the

Sumerian civilization into a 5-part paperback series, 'The Earth Chronicles', documenting the Nibirian interaction on Earth in ancient times. If you want the truth, read this series. It is so well documented it has been given great reviews in the establishment news media, something Von Däniken never attained.
This planet is inhabited by the Anunnaki (the Nefilim/giants in the Bible), "Those Who From Heaven To Earth Came". They landed on Earth, colonized it, mining the Earth for gold and other minerals, establishing a spaceport in what today is the Iraq-Iran area, and lived in a kind of idealistic society as a small colony. They returned when Earth was more populated and genetically interfered in our indigenous DNA to create a slave-race to work their mines, farms, and other enterprises in Sumeria, which was the so-called Cradle of Civilization in out-dated pre-1980s school history texts. They created Man, Homo Sapiens, through genetic manipulation with themselves and ape man Homo Erectus.

"If the Anunnaki created us, who created the Anunnaki?"

Enlil and Enki, two governors of Earth sent from Nibiru to rule Earth, were responsible for all this power and control. They gave the ancient Sumerians their architectural, agricultural, astronomical, and cultural training in exchange for labor and "gifts to the gods" in the form of a lot of mining, food, and material goods. Therefore the Nibirians themselves no longer had to physically work on Earth. The Nibirians disguised themselves as fish-humans, lion-humans, bird-humans, and other creatures to get the people to worship them as token gods, something that Moses violently opposed. Later, the Pleiadians, who were involved in Egypt's 3rd Golden Age, attempted to end the worship of the many Nibiruan and Sirian gods in these lands with the one-god concept. However, wars always resulted from these differences of belief systems, and the Sirians and Nibirians thrived on all the humans fighting each other instead of the gods who were the real enemies behind the scenes.

Every 3,600 years a major event occurred on Earth that was well-documented by ancient and modern historians. The Great Flood of religious referred to an attempt to destroy the slave races of humanity by the Nibirians because they have rebelled against their leaders(gods) from Nibiru. Enlil and Enki were involved in a heated dispute over whether to destroy or preserve the slave races and this power struggle resulted in ancient wars
http://www.galactic-server.net/kjole/ncca/anunnaki.html

See all 9 photos (http://hubpages.com/slide/annunaki)

annunaki

Annunaki is not any mythical god, he is considered one of the very first human form of God of the great Sumerian civilization. Before saying something about the extra-terrestrial (http://hubpages.com/hub/What-is-EXTRATERRESTRIAL-intelligence) God resembling human, let me say something about what if God wanted to stay with human. What about an influx of unknown knowledge suddenly become available to us from a certain group of human like people living in a distant planet. Certainly, if anything like that happens to us in today’s world, some of us will still be thinking of God has come down to our planet earth. Interestingly, incidents like “God coming down to earth” took place nearly six thousand years back at the time of summers- as described in Sumerian clay tablets.

In 1850, almost 250 miles away of Baghdad, Iraq, Austen Henry, a famous excavator, found some ancient clay tablets during his excavation. The exact location of this excavation was near a area of today’s Iraqi town Mosul and what Sumerian tablets were indicating was one of the historical findings imaginable of our time- evidence of advanced species descending to our planet earth. These Sumerian text was first deciphered by a linguistic scholar Zechariah Sit chin, who was a master of many Middle Eastern languages-summerian, Hebrew, Aramaic. His translation reveals that Annunaki was a god, living among human, who descended from a heavenly body.

This Sumerian text is also known as Enoch, which describes Gods as “the watchers” as does Egyptian text. According to this tablet Annunaki came from a distant planet “Nibiru”, which has been recently located by astronomers, beyond Pluto, and has been named as Planet X.

Why Annunaki came to the Earth?

What is the most astonishing fact that Sumerian text says is how Homo sapiens was created by Annunaki with the help of his associates. Sitchin’s translation says that Annunaki came to our planet approximately 450,000 years ago in order to mine gold in a place in present day’s Zimbabwe. A recent research by an Anglo-American corp. has confirmed that an extensive scale of gold mining in the same area, at least 100,000 years ago. All the mined gold used to shipped back to Annunaki’s planet, and the workers used to work in mines was from his planet too. After a rebellion Annunaki decided to create a new working class to do the mining for them-probably this is the very first concept of enslavement of human race in our entire history.

In order to create a new slave or working class for mining work, the Annunaki’s genes and the native human genes were mixed up in a test tube to create the new race- Homo sapiens (http://hubpages.com/hub/Facts-about-Homo-Sapiens-that-You-May-Not-Already-Know). This really sounds like a fairy tale, yet our modern science says us that around 200,000 years back there was a sudden change or upgrade of human form-famously also known as the missing link.

Though we still don’t find any logical explanation for this missing link, but this Annunaki’s experiments with humans’ genes make some sense.

http://hubpages.com/hub/annunaki

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5375279203910886756#

irishspirit

22nd February 2011, 19:00

Sumerian Gods

http://www.crystalinks.com/anunnakifigurine.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/godanu.jpg
Is Anu holding the symbolic Holy Grail of a Bloodline he created?

http://www.crystalinks.com/anunnakifigurines4.jpg

True or false, information about Sumerian Gods and Goddesses is taken from the Sumerian King List (http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerhistory.html), Sumerian clay tablets, and Sumerian cylinder seals. The Sumerian King List allegedly recorded all the rulers of Earth over 400,000 years who were said to be gods, demigods, or immortals ... or one soul playing all the roles.

http://www.crystalinks.com/nephilim.jpg These Gods were called the Nephilim (http://www.crystalinks.com/nephilim.html) Nefilim, Elohim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eloheim), the Anunnaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki)
"Those who from Heaven to Earth came."
In Sumerian Mythology the Anunnaki were a pantheon of good and evil gods and goddesses who came to Earth to create the human race. According to the some resources, these gods came from Nibiru (http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html) - 'Planet of the Crossing.' The Assyrians and Babylonians called it 'Marduk', after their chief god. Sumerians said one year on planet Nibiru, a sar, was equivalent in time to 3,600 Earth years. Anunnaki lifespans were 120 sars which is 120 x 3,600 or 432,000 years. According to the King List - 120 sars had passed from the time the Anunnaki arrived on Earth to the time of the Great Flood.

Creating Bloodlines According to ancient astronaut (alien) theory, the Anunnaki came to Earth and seeded the human race. This research was lead by Zecharai Sitchin (http://www.crystalinks.com/sitchin.html) and Erich on Däniken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken) among others, myself included. Physical evidence of ancient astronauts is found through the planet, leading one to believe different races visited here at different periods in Earth's history, or the same aliens return and set up various programs in which they could remain and experience. These would include the Egyptians, Hindu, Chinese, Greek, perhaps Atlanteans and Lemurians, Mesoamerican cultures, among endless others. Will they return in space ships one day? Many believe this is so., when the program of this program ends.

The Alien in the Stargate

http://www.crystalinks.com/anunnaki_stargate.jpg
Ninurta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninurta)

His father was Enlil and his mother, Ninlil - both aliens and the same soul.
This relief in the British Museum show Ninurta in a Gateway (Stargate, Portal). He is very clearly using his index finger to push something on the wall. His bracelet looks very similar to a modern wrist watch (flower petals, no numbers) - ("Time" and Flower of Life (http://www.crystalinks.com/floweroflife.html) metaphors). The emblem around his neck matches the design of the Knight's Templar.

Close-up of the wrist watch .. wearing bird headed mask
http://www.crystalinks.com/anunnakiwatch476.jpg
Creating Bloodlines in a Biogenetic Experiiment
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumeriantreeoflifegraphic.jpg
Kabbalah (http://www.crystalinks.com/kabala.html) Sumerian Tree of Life

irishspirit

22nd February 2011, 19:04

Nasa on the defence:

2012: Beginning of the End or Why the World Won't End?
11.06.09

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/399827main_2012_stack2_226.jpg Scenes from the motion picture "2012." Courtesy Columbia Pictures. Remember the Y2K scare? It came and went without much of a whimper because of adequate planning and analysis of the situation. Impressive movie special effects aside, Dec. 21, 2012, won't be the end of the world as we know. It will, however, be another winter solstice.

Much like Y2K, 2012 has been analyzed and the science of the end of the Earth thoroughly studied. Contrary to some of the common beliefs out there, the science behind the end of the world quickly unravels when pinned down to the 2012 timeline. Below, NASA Scientists answer several questions that we're frequently asked regarding 2012.

Question (Q): Are there any threats to the Earth in 2012? Many Internet websites say the world will end in December 2012.
Answer (A): Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years, and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012.

Q: What is the origin of the prediction that the world will end in 2012?
A: The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. Then these two fables were linked to the end of one of the cycles in the ancient Mayan calendar at the winter solstice in 2012 -- hence the predicted doomsday date of December 21, 2012.

Q: Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?
A: Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then -- just as your calendar begins again on January 1 -- another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

kersley

22nd February 2011, 19:12

My question is Anu, Enlil, Enki and the rest of the clan a reptilians race? According to Sitchin, it was Enki who was the one responsible for us humans been here on earth. he created the first Adamu...

irishspirit

22nd February 2011, 19:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g496D3re6zg&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVHMSvO_y3k

The current threats of global (cyclical) climate change are neither hoax nor exaggeration. Earth's oceans today are increasingly warming, ice shelfs are rapidly melting and the magnetosphere shield is weakening, in turn heating and destabilising the core below. Consequently, weather patterns are developing in extremes as natural disasters increase in frequency and magnitude.

The cause of these intensifying changes may disturb you, for it is a difficult to comprehend scenario that most would much rather deny as fantasy. However the planetary changes now taking effect are only going to build up and deliver effects that many will not likely anticipate. I encourage you to read the entire page to help grasp the 'bigger picture', as ignorance and denial of coming events will not benefit when the time comes to deal with the realities at hand. I strongly advise readers to undertake their own thorough research after reading the following information as truths can be told, but essentially have to be realised for ones self. Your true power lies in understanding what is going to ultimately happen, why it is happening and preparing accordingly.

I have felt deeply urged to share this received knowledge as I recognise that all I have learned, had scientifically and spiritually verified, and been personally shown of events to come has occurred for the purpose of awakening not only myself, but many others. I prefer that you already possess an inner resonance with the following message, as opposed to outright mock, shock or disbelief- though what you choose to embrace or reject is of your own granted will. I am simply a messenger, revealing what I feel I must during times of great change. I provide these statements with all notion of sincerity and intent based on a love for the spiritual wellbeing and development of all. I have nothing worldly to gain from this disclosure, as I am well aware that many will be quick to ridicule and/or attack for such statements. In spite of this, I will attempt to awaken as many souls as possible to recognise truth in a world full of lies, oppression, deceit and suppression of true knowledge.

A major Earth change event is set to occur. That event is a geophysical pole shift of planet Earth relating to the arrival of a celestial body referred to by many as 'Nibiru', along with the passage of incoming asteroids and a Brown Dwarf star biblically referred to as 'Wormwood'.

Prior to the shift, ALL HUMANITY WILL BE VIEWING WHAT APPEARS AS A ‘SECOND SUN' in the daytime sky. It's existence and arrival has been scientifically verified via an Australian astrophycisist source contractually bound by national secrecy laws. Knowledgable 'insiders' are well aware that any information deemed as violating national security will never be exposed by mainstream media sources and will in turn place themselves in position for persecution. Incidentally, I did not seek this scientific disclosure as I already possessed my own faith in truth by revelations already presented to me via numerous and ongoing personal visions received outlined further below. However this unsought scientific confirmation served to dispel any shred of doubt within my own being, and was the final catalyst for creating this website. The essentially situation calls for awareness of the times and watching for the signs that will manifest both on Earth and in the heavens.

The Mayan Council of Elders, after hundreds of years silence have also at this time chosen to disclose to the public that the shifting of Earth's physical poles WILL take place with the process of renewal already in motion. During this current transition period, permission is being granted by the High Councils to release such sensitive information for the purpose of raising awareness and preparing the mass consciousness for these events

Government authorities and their media too, are beginning to provide 'clues' of what is coming-though they will not make outright disclosures. The links below are a fitting example of authorities both consciously and subconsciously conditioning people for the events to come. You will be required to actively seek and 'connect dots' yourself to discover the truth of these revelations. This site aims to assist in that endeavour of awareness and preparation for the genuine seekers among you.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/secret-giant-planet-sun-companion-1011201.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/secret-giant-planet-sun-companion-1011201.html)

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/nemesis-comets-earth-am-100311.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/nemesis-comets-earth-am-100311.html)

http://www.ready.gov/america/about/_flash/wud60.html (http://www.ready.gov/america/about/_flash/wud60.html)

*Article (cover story) released JAN 2011 priming citizens for the reality of what they will soon enough see in the sky. The 'second sun' will prove to be an omen signifying great changes AS WARNED ABOUT HERE PRIOR TO THIS MEDIA RELEASE.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/tatooines-twin-suns-coming-to-a-planet-near-you-just-as-soon-as-betelgeuse-explodes/story-fn5fsgyc-1225991009247 (http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/tatooines-twin-suns-coming-to-a-planet-near-you-just-as-soon-as-betelgeuse-explodes/story-fn5fsgyc-1225991009247)

Solar activity is expected to intensify throughout this period, altering Earth climate and causing likely power disruptions/outtages. It is advised citizens prepare for this and intensifying environmental events.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html)

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/21dec_cycle24.htm (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/21dec_cycle24.htm) http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/14873.asp (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/14873.asp)

The first YouTube video on the link below shows the 'second Sun' as reportedly recorded in Chkalovsy, Russia. I cannot confirm it's authenticity. I can only state that the image is virtually identical to what I was shown in dream vision outlined further below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsAOsKoMl84 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsAOsKoMl84)

Any attempts to deny the existence and incoming passage of the Brown Dwarf star and it's accompanying bodies and objects are a delibrate cover up by power factions that aim to keep you in the dark and by those in turn deceived. Do not anticipate long-range warnings from NASA, observatories, mainstream media or other corporate and government agencies. This is highly classified knowledge impacting the state of global power and 'international security'. Therefore specific warnings will likely not come from official sources until the signs of great change are glaringly obvious to all, and by then it will likely be too late to implement thorough preparation. However from an eternal perspective, your path is divinely guided and you will be where you need to be. When you come to realise aspects of the grander journey outlined on this page, you will understand these events are not to be feared.

Watch for an increase in:
Sudden large rogue waves in new places
Sudden Hurricanes in unusual places
Sudden tornadoes out of season
More extremes in drought, heavy rains, out of season snows, flooding, severe storms
Booms, methane flashes, odd underground whomping sounds, increased sinkholes, landslides
Disrupted cell phone, television and radio signals
Unusual animal behavior, disrupted migration patterns
Unusual increases in violent behavior in human beings
Increasingly severe earthquakes
Rising Sea Levels
Storm surge on coastlines with no storm apparent

I understand it is easy to dismiss this all as paranoid fear mongering and deny such dramatic notions of reality, however you will witness the signs of change and realise something is 'not right' with the world around you. Trust that intuition, for this is on a much larger scope than just soft touted ‘climate change' that governments have conditioned us to accept. This is the REAL 'inconvenient truth'. The binary star will arrive from the Southern Hemisphere, where it is currently being closely monitored by various scopes such as Hubble and the South Pole infrared/UV telescopes in Antarctica. Infrared satellites are now also active monitoring incoming space bodies and objects.

I understand that false dates for catastrophic events have been revealed previously and have proved to be false flags such as theY2K DELIBRATE PSYOP hoax, false prophecies from organized control cults/sects etc). This has served to manipulate and blindside people to ignore and be highly skeptical of genuine warnings that 'elites' KNOW will be coming at this time. There is a vast disinformation agenda currently in place to keep people confused in order to retain the current way of things i.e materialism, grip of corporate economic power structure, continuing work, sporting and social distractions etc. Prepare though for difficult times ahead, including release of genetically engineered bioweapons, growing food shortages, increased cost inflation, famines, economic hardships as corrupt systems collapse and the outbreak of increasing military and social conflicts prior to and after the shift.

It has been revealed there will be several events occurring, including meteorite impacts and atmospheric changes as celestial alignments occur influencing our Sol (Sun). This knowledge has justified why trillions of dollars have been spent over decades constructing and continuously expanding miles deep underground bases worldwide into virtual cities. I encourage prayer and meditation as an outlet of peace, calm and connection to the Creator Source during this transition period. It is in the best interests of your being to embrace a level of acceptance of the impending situation and potential outcomes, as manic fear, panic and harm you may inflict on yourself or others during the build up and after events, will not aid the process of your spiritual progression.

Place your faith in the Heavenly Creator and strive to follow the love teachings of Yeshua Christ, as now is the time to seek divine knowledge, search within and repent, redeem and aim for a life of unconditional love and purity of mind, body and spirit. Love in the spirit of Oneness/connection to all living beings and you will in turn be graced by the Holy Spirit.

It is important to understand that these events are not to be feared, as they form part of a grand cycle of cosmic evolution. They do not signify the end of the world or extinction of humanity, though they will transform civilisation as we know it. In this current world system of much suffering, poverty, greed, conflict/bloodshed, selfishness, ego dominance, cruelty to nature and animals, poisons abound in the air, ground, oceans, food, medicines and water, our divine Earth Mother cannot carry these burdens much longer. I urge you to open your heart and mind to seek faithfully and receive truth. Know that our Creator serves the living word of Truth and you will always possess it within when you willingly open yourself up to allow the Holy Spirit to work through you in faith in surrender to the Divine will and Plan. This message needs to be spread, during a time of mass deception and distraction, where many are heavily attached to their current material existence, disconnected from their true 'higher' spiritual purpose of being.

During this transition period, it is advised to live with positive loving intent in all that we think, say and do. It is a time for searching within and understanding all the Creator wants from us is love for ourselves and all life part of the Creation. The 'light' of such awareness will serve as your guide in faith and strength during this challenging transition period. Reach out to discover, communicate and develop a loving bond with the Creator today. Attempt to right wrongs, seek forgiveness from those you have wronged and forgive those that have wronged you, including forgiving yourself in turn for your mistakes and flaws. Truly feel unconditional love for all and understand that we are all connected regardless of race, colour and creed. Love your neighbour and enemy alike, for we are all sinners, flawed and fallible, and that is what binds us equally on this grand soul journey. Choose to be the light that absolves the darkness as your bio-frequency influences the energies of your environment and appreciate our daily graces, giving thanks for every blessing provided. As a divine co-creator you are always best served focusing on the positive and basing all thoughts and subsequent actions from your true light essence of love, not fearful and judgemental 'separation' thoughtforms.

Since mid-2008 I have experienced a strikingly vivid series of dream visions that have clearly displayed examples of events set to take place. Many others have and will continue to receive such warning indicators from the Holy Spirit. I call them visions as they were so colourful, linear and emotionally present/life-like with all senses involved. I intuitively possessed a deep knowing that I would someday be part of such world-changing events and was profoundly affected, my spiritual being deeply enhanced as a result. I cannot state that the vision of events will occur in order as seen, however I strongly feel that meteor strikes will be the first cosmic signs of great change ahead; a warning from the Heavens as revealed in Bible Revelation.

http://www.poleshift2011.com/

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AND DO NOT FORGET THIS

I am a Norwegian politician. I would like to say that difficult things will happen from the year 2008 till the year 2012. The Norwegian government is building more and more underground bases and bunkers. When asked, they simply say that it is for the protection of the people of Norway. When I enquire when they are due to be finished, they reply “before 2011”.

Israel is also doing the same and many other countries too.

My proof that what I am saying is true is in the photographs I have sent of myself and all the Prime Ministers and ministers I tend to meet and am acquainted with. They know all of this, but they don’t want to alarm the people or create mass panic.

Planet X (http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/) is coming, and Norway has begun with storage of food and seeds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault) in the Svalbard area and in the arctic north with the help of the US and EU and all around in Norway. They will only save those that are in the elite of power and those that can build up again: doctors, scientists, and so on.
As for me, I already know that I am going to leave before 2012 to go the area of Mosjøen where we have a deep underground military facility. There we are divided into sectors, red, blue and green. The signs of the Norwegian military are already given to them and the camps have already been built a long time ago.
The people that are going to be left on the surface and die with along the others will get no help whatsoever. The plan is that 2,000,000 Norwegians are going to be safe, and the rest will die. That means 2,600,000 will perish into the night not knowing what to do.

All the sectors and arks are connected with tunnels and have railcars that can take you from one ark to the other. This is so that they can be in contact with each other. Only the large doors separate them so that the sectors are not compromised in any matter.

I am very sad. Often I cry with others that know that so many will learn too late, and then it will all be over for them. The government has been lying to the people from 1983 till now. All the major politicians know this in Norway, but few will say it to the people and the public - because they are afraid in case they too will miss the NOAH 12 railcars that will take them to the ark sites where they will be safe.

If they tell anyone, they are dead for sure. But I don’t care any more about myself. Mankind must survive and the species must survive. People must know this.

All the governments in the world are aware of this and they just say it is going to happen. For those of the people that can save themselves I can only say reach for higher ground and find caves up in the high places where you can have a food storage for at least five years with canned food and water to last for a while. Radiation pills and biosuits are also advisable if your budget allows it.

For the last time I say may God help us all... but God will not help us I know. Only each person individually can make a difference. Wake up, please...!

I could have written to you using another name but I am not afraid of anything any more. When you know certain things, you become invincible and no harm can come to you when you know that the end is soon.

I assure you 100% that things will happen. There are four years to prepare for the endgame. Get weapons, and make survival groups, and a place where you can be safe with food for a time.

Ask me anything and I will answer as much as I know about the Norwegian connection to all this. And just look around: they are building underground bases and bunkers everywhere. Open your eyes, people. Ask the governments what they are building, and they will say “Oh, it’s just storage for food”, and so on. They blind you with all the lies.

The marks of the alien presence are also there, and I often see the Norwegian elite politicians are not what they say they are. It’s like they are controlled in every thought, and what they have to say is just as they are told to do things in such manners. It is clear for me who they are, and who they are not. You can see it in their eyes and in their minds.

Remember that those who are going to be in and around the city areas in 2012 are those that are going to be hit first and die first. Later the army will purge the rest of the survivors and they have a shoot to kill order if there is any resistance to bring them into the camps where every one will get marked with a number and a tag.

http://www.projectcamelot.org/norway.html

conk

22nd February 2011, 19:53

I see pine cones (pineal) in the last two pics posted by Irishspirit .

RAKMEiSTER

23rd February 2011, 05:58

yes just not in the doom gloom most think

from my post on Camelotforum:RE:Planet X, Brown Dwarf, Elenin...:

i think there 2/3 factors are at play at least
and from my nostradamus reseach in past(for years) academic/compare with book writers(actual exchange with them) :

and with what i later learned added to it all:(havent touched nostradamus for 8+years)
but as synchronicity works i was doing some own work in the same context again last 2 days with more news/insight in some fronts than at that time(eh 8+years ago) and from there i allready saw the timeline ways and such.

==It really depends on what theory you subscribe to:(from excertp taken)

Planet X to exert great influence upon our planet it need not be at its closest point of approach.
Its gigantic mass and gravitational influence is already affecting us. The storms that Mars brought during the founding of Rome as it neared Earth may instead be experienced courtesy of Planet X in March,
April, May, and June of 2011 ... six to eighteen months before we actually see it begin its passage (either December 2011-February 2012 or December 2012-July 2013).

1) Planet X is still out there, but getting nearer and nearer and closing in for the kill very soon OR
2) Planet X is, and has been since about May 2003, in a stationary position close to the Sun and visible only using infrared telescopes in the deep southern hemisphere. I will not discuss here why it may be being kept in a stationary position, if this theory is true, but I suspect this could end at any time and then its total fury will be unleashed. The power it exerts is beyond human comprehension ... even from the edge of our solar system Planet X can trigger powerful earthquakes, solar storms, and freak tidal waves. Distance is really not an issue once it is inside of our system ... we are only safe during those roughly 3500 to 3600 years when it is out in deep space. When it passes Earth it can circle the sun in a close orbit and return several years, several decades, or as much as a century later, depending, since historical writings of ancient civilisations that experienced its last passage during the time of Exodus record that it returned again 52 years later. Even Mother Shipton warns that after the dragon's tail crosses our sky and causes great destruction, the "gods will send the dragon back" due to mankind's insolent boasting at having weathered its first passage so well. The next passage kills so many humans, that only "a tiny band" of survivors remain.==
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(quotet newprophecy.net) 1999/2011) i know that site since its start))
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and he doesnt tell where it might be near the sun, i have said where that is on this forum and for ones wanting i can add the electromagnetics to the story since its all connected.
and my gut says the 2nd one. yet beside A and B . C darkstar/companion can all be there,

& kerry, when i read Elenin it made my think of this that i read 2days ago.
(quoted:)
OBSERVATION: Mubarak: Ka = Pharoah; Mubar = Mabus; THUS Ka Mubar = Pharoah Mabus
Where is Comet Elenin (ELE-nin)? (exceprt np.net)

regarding (below precursor to ^Elenin)
Nostradamus, Quatrain 1.80 ~

From the sixth bright celestial light it will come to thunder very strongly in Burgundy. Then a monster
will be born of a very hideous beast: In March, April, May and June great wounding and worrying.

--

and that doesnt exclude the option that beside option 2 there is still the other 2nd influence comin,
which has also been talked about much some call it the superwave, some call it the heartbeat from our blackhole centre ,
and thats also not even talking about the main sun we in the 4th spiral and sun in the cluster rotate around. Alcyone ? or procyon ill check later i think the 1st

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Extra InFo 2 sources (1 allready used above )

Great Comet of 2011
http://www.newprophecy.net/Great_Comet_of_2011.jpg
NEW PREDICTION: 1/3/10 -- For those of you who missed out on Comet McNaught in January 2007 because of bad weather conditions, snow, clouded skies, etc., another major comet of that scale should begin to be seen in March 2011. Unlike the great comet previously discussed that may appear in March 2010, which will be stunning but also cause much dread due to its close passage and possible fragmentation, this comet will be eye candy only and very bright and colourful. Its magnitude may reach that of McNaught, but even if it falls short of that it will be an imposing image in the sky, easily seen, and viewable for possibly two months or longer.

This will be the last great comet before the arrival of Planet X.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KbsKSKrsncI

&&
last but not least
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/221672-Comet-Elenin-is-Coming-

see also
http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=68&id=23069&Itemid=147#23400
and about magnetic i havent even started the hole interaction/mechanics

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New Data since my post concerning

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee3iBhg1iLo&feature=player_embedded#at=105
to add these are EMV's making sure sun doesnt do to much bad, for now
no alert needed
check the flare and where they are,
thats good, ;D

and ill add to my post comment above this

Lasco C3 Feed is now dead/disabled you can see PX get in the Picture on the 13/14 the, and you can check it here, with the not standard url you dont use on the main sites you normally use )most of you)
http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/data_query_search_url?Session=web&Resolution=2&Display=Images&NumImg=3000&Types=instrument=LASCO:detector=C3 (! change NumImg=3000 to a lower number if it loads slow say 300, frame/timeshots
http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/data_query_search_url?Session=web&Resolution=2&Display=Images&NumImg=300&Types=instrument=LASCO:detector=C3
C2 is fine but wrong spectrum to see in
http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/data_query_search_url?Session=web&Resolution=2&Display=Images&NumImg=300&Types=instrument=LASCO:detector=C2

to quote myself from irc
[6:28:26] <+RAKMEiSTER> scroll through the foto's and you see 13/14th visible with the rotations *(trajectory visible for lasco <angle - sun
15[6:26am] <+RAKMEiSTER> c2 is fine
15[6:27am] <+RAKMEiSTER> http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov//data/REPROCESSING/Completed/2011/c3/20110218/20110218_0018_c3_512.jpg . mercury oPX .venus <<<<< PX
15[6:28am] <+RAKMEiSTER> cause you cannot see that in
15[6:28am] <+RAKMEiSTER> http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/data_query_search_url?Session=web&Resolution=2&Display=Images&NumImg=300&Types=instrument=LASCO:detector=C2
15[6:28am] <+RAKMEiSTER> c2

and if not those 3 than anyone please addonto

i agree:
From Bill Ryan (paraphrased)..."and while it won't hit anything, it will probably create gravitational and electromagnetic effects."

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its been there glidlock, to which you didnt respond not even tried(post)
it wont hit earth no those doom stuff no. thats not my view also.

so Q now is when outbond(i kinda know but ehh you never get into it so i wont spill)
yes the breaking of the magnetic gridlock with have gravitational effect when its well goes on its outbound path! its on teh forum for the hunters. find it and digest and that ask more than ill answer. that for what i can.

Spica

26th February 2011, 03:23

Some good stuff here thanks for sharing, Has anybody seen the STEREO Images of the Entire Sun earlier this month? I think they will help us immensely in our understanding of solar physics. (Maybe the ptb realise they need to expand there understanding also)

Mandala

26th February 2011, 07:10

Edit: Please skip down to my next post to see all 7 videos posted. I should have done all of them initially. I apologize to all Avalonians. Hope I made it easier to view. Mandala

Planet X videos, 2-7.
Interesting, Marshall documents his findings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6tqjw4jDYs&feature=related

RAKMEiSTER

26th February 2011, 19:45

RELATED @ PX

Debunking Exposed

Are those posters frantically spreading NASA's message that the Earth changes are from the Sun all private citizens, who truly believe this disinformation line? Those watching debunking of the ZetaTalk message have noted that the debunkers all seem to arrive at once, like a team, and often have the same message! Did a memo go out? There is a simpler answer. They are often all one person! Paid, by the government or by the wealthy elite to debunk among other things, the ZetaTalk message. Look at this frank revelation from the Air Force, which is seeking to develop even more sophisticated software to support such operations.

IMAGE: FBO Website
http://www.zetatalk5.com/newsletr/issue275.jpg

Persona Management Software, Solicitation Number: RTB220610, Agency: Department of the Air Force

June 22, 2010

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form

Online Persona Management Service. 50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per user. Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographacilly consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries. Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms. The service includes a user friendly application environment to maximize the user's situational awareness by displaying real-time local information. The daily rotation of the user s IP address prevents compromise during observation of likely or targeted web sites or services, while hiding the existence of the operation. In addition, may provide traffic mixing, blending the user s traffic with traffic from multitudes of users from outside the organization. This traffic blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability. Also allows organizations that frequent same site/service often to easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary users as opposed to one organization. Performance will be at MacDIll AFB, Kabul, Afghanistan and Baghdad, Iraq. MacDill AFB , Florida 33679

Revealed: Air Force Ordered Software to Manage Army of Fake Virtual People
February 18, 2011
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software

Not only did they plot to help destroy secrets outlet WikiLeaks and discredit progressive bloggers, they also crafted detailed proposals for software that manages online "personas," allowing a single human to assume the identities of as many fake people as they'd like. Eerie as that may be, more perplexing, however, is a federal contract from the 6th Contracting Squadron at MacDill Air Force Base, located south of Tampa, Florida, that solicits providers of "persona management software." It was not clear exactly what the Air Force was doing with this software, or even if it had been procured.
Why don't the elite simply shut down the Internet? The Zetas were recently asked this question, in regard to news articles on CNN and CBS News speculating whether an Internet "kill switch" available to Obama might be legislated into law. Per the Zetas, this is not possible, as the Internet was designed to keep flowing when blockages are sensed, and commerce and industry, as well as government operations, rely on the Internet. Thus, to maintain the cover-up over Planet X and the alien presence, governments and the elite must rely upon disinformation, a route that apparently will be even more heavily utilized in the near future!

ZetaTalk Prediction 2/12/2011:
When a country such as Egypt closed the Internet within their borders, this required two things - a single ISP serving the entire country, and a willingness to shut down all commerce and industry within their borders, temporarily. The tourist industry collapsed. Money in their banks fled the country. Even assuming a pole shift was not in their future, these aspects of Egyptian society would not recover for years. Despite Mubarac's attempt to murder the truth and blind the public, the protesters simply used dial-up modems to communicate to ISP's outside Egypt's control. Put this scenario into a theoretical worldwide shutdown. Every ISP would have to be closed and every country would have to participate and even the phone services prohibited in order for this plan to succeed.

What scenario would justify trying to shut down the Internet in this manner? First, commerce and industry such as banking and internet sales, the military's use of the internet to monitor all manner of things, email supporting government operations and communications between governments around the world - all would have to be stopped. What would justify this? A truth so horrible it cannot be spoken? Are we talking about the presence of Planet X in the skies? A gigantic rip in the N Atlantic sending a tsunami toward the UK? Sumatra and Java sinking 80 feet? Be aware that the establishment has all of these scenarios covered with various ridiculous excuses, just as they have excused the Earth changes and Second Sun sightings to date.

Those who contemplate an Internet kill switch, whereby the US and their allies would agree to close down the Internet within their reach, are of a particular mindset. These are individuals who themselves have a place in the well stocked bunkers, and envision a situation where the truth about Planet X would suddenly burst on the scene, causing panic in the streets and demands that heads roll, specifically their heads. In this setting, while they escaped to their bunkers, they would want martial law imposed so that the public could not come after them or clog the roads and airways.

Would this succeed? First, the truth about Planet X is dawning on the public steadily, due to the Earth changes and Earth wobble and will be increasingly obvious soon due to signs in the skies. Next, escape to the bunkers is not officially planed until the last minute, as the establishment hopes that excuses and disinformation will prevail while the world continues to chug along, on the chance that our predictions are wrong and the passage will be slight. Thus, those inclined to kill the Internet would be prevented from this move. Next, any "truth" about Planet X that might be announced is already being countered by lies from officials such as NASA, and any supposed leaks would be countered by an assassination or a quick trip to an insane asylum. Thus we will all arrive at the last weeks, with the Internet only affected by the Earth changes, and not by the hands of man!

Prediction Relationships

Early in the ZetaTalk saga, as far back as 1995, the Zetas predicted the current weather and worldwide crop shortages and mass migrations of peoples. There is a relationship! Stepping back even further, the Earth wobble is causing the weather extremes, and of course the Earth wobble is caused by the near presence of Planet X. These predictions were made at a time when no one else was sounding these alarms, a matter that points to ZetaTalk accuracy. Recent news articles show how very accuracy the Zetas are in their predictions. Take the weather, for example.

ZetaTalk Prediction 5/4/2001:
Weather irregularities will continue in the manner we have described since 1995, with increasing swings and extremes. In that weather irregularities are smoothed, by nature, by increased atmospheric activity or ocean currents, temperature extremes will not occur. Rather, oscillating extremes, similar to what the world has already experienced, will occur. Sudden shift to cold weather, sudden unseasonably warm weather, and the like.

Temperature Swings 110 Degrees in One Week in Oklahoma Town
February 18, 2011
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=490

Residents in the Northern Oklahoma town of Nowata experienced a nearly 110-degree shift in the weather this week after a cold front brought temperatures down to a record-setting -31 F degrees. Today, it's a balmy 72 F degrees in Nowata. Yesterday, it reached 79 degrees.
And crop shortages. They have steadily gotten worse since the early ZetaTalk predictions, and have been in the news since the year 2000, but now are widespread and openly admitted by the establishment. Crop shortages of course result in gouging price increases, and force the governments to step in and enact price controls, which was of course another ZetaTalk prediction.

ZetaTalk Prediction 7/15/1995:
As we described earlier, going into the cataclysms the weather will become unpredictable, with torrential rainstorms where not expected, and droughts likewise where not expected. Extremes of temperature will be experienced. Unusually warm winters, where the trees and shrubs will start to bud, thinking spring, and then be subjected to frost. Similarly, frosts will come late in the spring, almost into summer, killing the buds which have already put forth their tender shoots. During the years coming close to the time of the reappearance of Planet X, the giant comet, all parts of the world will experience extremes. Of course, leading up to the cataclysms, not all produce will fail. Greenhouse crops will come through. Backyard gardens, tendered carefully by watchful eyes, will survive. But the large cash crops that supply crowded population centers will find little to market, and the prices will go up accordingly.

Skyrocketing Food Prices Push Millions into Extreme Poverty
February 20, 2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/

The head of the World Bank says a sharp rise in food prices has pushed 44 million people into extreme poverty. World Bank President Robert Zoellick is calling on the Group of 20 leading and emerging economies to put food first on its agenda. Wheat and maize prices have gone up about 75 percent since last June. According to report, wheat increased 54 percent in Kyrgyzstan, 45 percent in Bangladesh, 37 percent in Tajikistan, 33 percent in Mongolia, 31 percent in Sri Lanka, 19 percent in Afghanistan and 16 percent in both Sudan and Pakistan. Even before these latest price hikes, there were already more than 900 million people going hungry each day. Last summer, Russia banned wheat exports after a major drought.

Extreme Weather Leads to Soaring Prices of Vegetables
January 10, 2011
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/01/10/extreme-weather

Extreme weather has hampered growth of various vegetables in Bantul regency, Yogyakarta, leading to soaring prices in the region. Eggplant, which normally sells for between Rp 700 and Rp 1,500 per kilogram, is currently priced at above Rp 3,000 per kilogram. Many farmers blamed extreme weather for the circumstance, claiming that unusually high humidity had led to a deadly fungus infecting many plants and causing harvest failures.

Algeria Debates Food Price Cuts to Quell Riots
January 8, 2011
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/08/us-algeria-riots-id

Fresh protests erupted in Algeria on Saturday against soaring food prices as the government considered measures to limit the cost of staple foodstuffs to quell the unrest. Algerians have held violent demonstrations across the country in protest against high unemployment and food price inflation which has seen the cost of staple products like sugar, cooking oil and flour double in recent months. The cost of flour and salad oil has doubled in the past few months, reaching record highs, while 1 kg of sugar, which a few months ago cost 70 dinars (27 U.S. cents), is now 150 dinars.
And when matters get desperate enough, the population starts migrating, seeking a better life elsewhere, a trend the Zetas long ago predicted.

ZetaTalk Prediction 4/15/1999:
You will find human populations beginning to migrate. These migration not only happens in cases of severe starvation, such as in northern Africa south of the Sudan, where people just stumble like sticks in any direction, looking for food, but also occurs when things get bad enough, when crop shortages are bad, and people begin to wander. They're looking for something better. So you will have migrations and you will have guards against migrations. Rifles at the border, pointed and saying don't come a step further and shooting people for little reason. This is already starting to raise its head in the anxiety that the United States expresses about the people south of their borders.

Asian Bank Warns of Mass Climate Change Migrations

February 12, 2011

http://www.peopleandplanet.net/?lid=29636&section=45&topic=23

Typhoons, cyclones, floods and drought are forcing more and more people to migrate. In the past year alone, extreme weather in Malaysia, Pakistan, China, the Philippines, and Sri Lanka has caused temporary or longer term dislocation of millions of people. The bank's report underlines specific risks confronting climate change "hotspots," including megacities in coastal areas of Asia. These hotspots of climate-induced migration face pressure from swelling populations as rural people seek new lives in cities, the report indicates. The problem is compounded by greater dislocation of people caused by flooding and tropical storms. On the positive side, the report says that if properly managed, climate-induced migration could actually facilitate human adaptation, creating new opportunities for dislocated populations in less vulnerable environments.
And all this about to get worse! The Zetas recently outlined the cause and effect, the reason they are able to make these accurate predictions, and waned mankind to brace itself for worsening conditions as we head into the time of the pole shift.

ZetaTalk Prediction 2/19/2011:
Early in the ZetaTalk saga we predicted increasingly erratic weather and high tides, while not giving any particular cause for these phenomena. These predictions were made in 1995-1999, yet the cause of a vertical jet stream and increasing drought and deluge and temperature extremes did not become evident until 2004, when the Earth wobble could be well documented. Likewise, we have been predicting that the seasons will blend into one another, without giving a cause. Within the past year or so the wobble has at times taken on different characteristics - a temporary lean to the left or into opposition. During the dance the Earth undergoes with Planet X and the other planets caught in the cup, such maneuvers are erratic, and can come and go seemingly unpredictably.

But a wobble pattern that includes more frequent leans into opposition will produce more sunlight for the northern hemisphere. And a wobble that includes the N Pole of Earth attempting to escape the N Pole of Planet X by leaning away from the approaching Planet X will produce more sunlight for the southern hemisphere. And a wobble that includes a temporary lean to the left will result in an even basking in sunlight for both hemispheres. Should this ensue, in addition to the current Figure 8 wobble that has been in place since early 2004, a blending of the seasons would surely follow. As Planet X comes ever closer, and the magnetic dance is less like the waltz and more like rock and roll, the weather will become more erratic, the tides more extreme, storms arising suddenly, and all of this unpredictable.