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Curt
11th July 2011, 23:21
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Teakai
11th July 2011, 23:55
Hi Curtis - the only advice I have is to find your heart place - or your core - or whatever you want to call that place within that can't be rocked by without.

And to not give yourself over to the information. It's just data - don't take it on and wear it like a yoke.

And breathe - don't forget to breathe - deep and slow.

:)

Curt
11th July 2011, 23:59
And to not give yourself over to the information. It's just data - don't take it on and wear it like a yoke.

And breathe - don't forget to breathe - deep and slow.

:)

Thanks for this. It's much appreciated. I will remember this. It's basic survival skills for anyone who wants to learn about this stuff. Have to treat it like what it is: information. And always to breathe.

NancyV
12th July 2011, 00:33
Since it's extremely difficult to get irrefutable proof of any stories, I think it's best to not believe OR disbelieve all the evil and ugly things we hear about. Personally I accept that they may be true but what I hear, see and read may be distorted, mis-reported, exaggerated, an opinion, an outright fabrication or just a small part of the story. Why get emotionally involved and believe something that is not proven or that you don't fully understand? Even if the worst stories are true I try to accept that possibility without being too emotionally attached. If these horrible things are true, being overly emotional will only make me less effective in dealing with the reality. Accepting these stories as absolute fact is probably as counterproductive as rejecting them.

It's a constant balancing act to remain open and receptive and also maintain a protective shield around yourself which doesn't allow the extreme negativity to deplete your energy, make you fearful or angry or cause you to feel helpless. For me the most important thing is to feel personally empowered to the point where nothing and no one can can affect me negatively for long. Sometimes I have a knee jerk reaction to something then I bring myself back to remembering that whether it is true or not doesn't really matter in the big picture. I do prefer to know what's going on rather than hiding from it, but an overly emotional person who has little control over their reactions might be better off continuing on in ignorance.

RMorgan
12th July 2011, 00:48
All these torrential amount of information might be true or not. You´ll never get to actually KNOW the true until it manifests itself in a solid, concrete way.

However, some things are real and LOVE is one of those things!

Making friends, falling in love, sharing great experiences with your fellows human beings...These things are real! Hold on to that! It´s the real deal mate!

Have fun!

Cheers,

Raf.

ulli
12th July 2011, 00:55
I think it's like learning to dive. The longer you stay under water
the more you appreciate the air when you come back up.

The outcome of all this hardship is the discovery of one's own true spiritual needs.
Once those needs are defined the universe will then answer, in a most awesome way.

Different for each person, but in the end there is a collective glow.

ElvenMyst
12th July 2011, 01:17
The only thing I know for sure is that something may or may not be true. We are all participants and observers in this game of seeking to experience duality consciousness. Try to enjoy the game....we may shortly be advancing to level 2.0

Brightest blessings to All here....

Carmody
12th July 2011, 02:22
If you read the question of lithium thread, right at the start of it, I present the OTHER side of the coin. The one that is important to know. For the subject of that thread is heady and goes down a road that I'm not sure even David Icke or anyone else has ventured.

You see, if those things about your reality are 'real', then you get to have extra bits as well. Everything in balance. My last post in that thread, as of today... also serves as a bookend of sorts to the thread itself.

What I'm trying to say is if all this other stuff does indeed exist then YOU are empowered as well. You are not left on the cold floor, with a dent in your head where you were hit...half dazed, legs pumping as if you were running in your sleep, crying for your mother.

You are EMPOWERED in the same moment as these things happen..See that for what it is. They don't get a 'new reality' and you remain the same.

The whole deal here, is YOUR realization .......and THAT is what is going UP. Not down. Your fears speak to you. But the moment itself says there are no more fears. All that is going.

And, to add, you were here before you had that understanding, so that which follows, in you.... will be more potent, not less.

lslimerick
12th July 2011, 02:34
Hi Curtis, started asking the same questions not so long ago myself and was wondering what to do next, as I knew that it didnt matter how many stories, documentaries I read/watched, it was an unending rabbit hole of information. As soon as I asked, things started to show up to help me move to where I am now.

My thoughts, I think once you get to where all the stories seem the same, not in the detail but in the vibration, you have reached a stage where you have awoken what you needed to step outside the system and now the real work begins on what you are here to do. I still stay informed, but rather have have any reaction to the stories, I let them pass through me and now the balancing act comes in, where I now am working more on what I am here to do, raising the vibration and holding the light. Not everyone will reasonate with my words, but I think a lot of people are now saying, ok, all this stuff - what now.....

See what works for you, be it lightwork, making a difference in your self/home/community.....that would be my thoughts, as this is what is happening to me, not sure if this helps, I hope so....I think that is why I was so drawn to Inelia Benz work.....much love..Once I asked this same question, information, postings/friends showed up and moved me to find the information that I know and feel is what I need......

Warlock
12th July 2011, 03:05
I am aware of these things, but I don't carry them with me.

There are things that happen in the world, and then I am reminded of the possibilities of those particular events being orchestrated.

Just be glad you are seeing things in a different way now, and you are not a sucker anymore.................or maybe you are. Maybe we all are.

Warlock

Curt
12th July 2011, 03:50
If you read the question of lithium thread, right at the start of it, I present the OTHER side of the coin. The one that is important to know. For the subject of that thread is heady and goes down a road that I'm not sure even David Icke or anyone else has ventured.

You see, if those things about your reality are 'real', then you get to have extra bits as well. Everything in balance. My last post in that thread, as of today... also serves as a bookend of sorts to the thread itself.

What I'm trying to say is if all this other stuff does indeed exist then YOU are empowered as well. You are not left on the cold floor, with a dent in your head where you were hit...half dazed, legs pumping as if you were running in your sleep, crying for your mother.

You are EMPOWERED in the same moment as these things happen..See that for what it is. They don't get a 'new reality' and you remain the same.

The whole deal here, is YOUR realization .......and THAT is what is going UP. Not down. Your fears speak to you. But the moment itself says there are no more fears. All that is going.

And, to add, you were here before you had that understanding, so that which follows, in you.... will be more potent, not less.

There is a lot here to consider, and I'll need to chew on this a bit. I know there is something important here. To be sure, I'll check out the Lithium thread, and review all of your contributions there. You have a very intriguing way of putting words together, by the way. Thank you very much for responding to this thread.

Curt
12th July 2011, 04:02
See what works for you, be it lightwork, making a difference in your self/home/community.....that would be my thoughts, as this is what is happening to me, not sure if this helps, I hope so....I think that is why I was so drawn to Inelia Benz work.....much love..Once I asked this same question, information, postings/friends showed up and moved me to find the information that I know and feel is what I need......

Thanks for this. This does resonate with me. About a year ago I hit a point where all of this stuff kind of just felt the same. It left me saying, "ok, what now?" I joined this forum after watching the interview with Inelia Benz. It was the first refreshing, new material I'd seen anywhere in quite a while. It had a different quality to it than anything I'd seen before.

58andfixed
13th July 2011, 05:40
One needs to understand not only ourself, but ourselves as well.

Very good clue was given in "Sense Making Under Holographic Conditions" American Behavioral Scientist, Volume 53 # 6 - February 2010

I've met many who bathed in the ideas that fit their biases, but completely missed one of the key points:


Page 791:

"The persistence of faulty beliefs at both the individual and societal levels probably plays an important psychological function by promoting feelings of safety and justice occluding awareness of potential vulnerability and exploitation."

"By implication, Manwell reasons that social truth and justice movements and reform initiatives need to include strategies for resolving the cognitive dissonance that their claims and proposals inevitably provoke."


Download here:

http://911.lege.net/ABS53N62010/Sense_Making_Under_Holographic_Conditions-Framing_SCAD_Research.pdf

Not going within is a short-cut that will result in having to pay the price in the long run, and that isn't even considering the costs of not being the 'guide of awareness' many 'believe' they offer to others. [aka "blow-back" and life long division between the have's and the have-not's.]

Be it innocent ignorance or malevolent intent, one can generate a lot of fear & dysfunction in others -- and this has never been a solution.

Indeed, the blind are leading the blind.

- 58

toothpick
13th July 2011, 06:38
Great thread idea CurtisW.
I concur that some of the information can be shocking.
Also agree that after a while you seem to reach a saturation point or a level,
where it just doesn,t disturb you as much anymore.
Knowing the truth no matter how harsh it sometimes can be is absolutely the way to go foreward.
I can not imagine going back to the ignorant soul I used to be.

toothpick

christian
13th July 2011, 07:35
how do we balance this need to research the "Dark Side" agenda with our need to be positive, functioning people who can hold true to who we are and why we're here?

There is no amount of anything, that could pose a serious threat to the great spirit / God / you name it, so just reassure yourself of your connection with that. The harmony of the great spirit pervades everything and eventually obliterates the dark.

stdante
13th July 2011, 07:42
it's useful to have a goal in the "search"

mine is to unerstand and grow for the purpose to manifest positivity and also release the fear

when is no fear there's no need to involve feelings in horrible information ;)

loveandgratitude
13th July 2011, 07:54
Imagine this information is like a large meal. Eat enough to satisfy and never over indulge. Wait till it digests and then wait again until you have an apetite for more.

Curt
13th July 2011, 15:06
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Page 791: Be it innocent ignorance or malevolent intent, one can generate a lot of fear & dysfunction in others -- and this has never been a solution.

Indeed, the blind are leading the blind.

- 58

I'll definitely keep this thought in mind. And I like the quote on cognitive dissonance as well. I certainly experience this whenever I see some high official shaking hands and performing acts of state--they seem normal, if a bit self-serving-- and I have read or heard about him/her that he/she is a murderer or a shape shifting reptile. Or when I listen to an interview in which a person claims that all government officials meet in back rooms and agree on agendas, and then I watch the theater of politics on C-Span or MSNBC and see them "fighting" with one another. Both of these instances, for example, produce a sense of cognitive dissonance within me. I will freely admit this. I think your point that truth and justice movements should contain within them some measures for helping their members deal with this dissonance is a good one. I would be content even if these movements more properly recognized it as a problem in the first place. Thank you very much for these insights. It is much appreciated.

jasontorque
13th July 2011, 15:45
Relevant and interesting points. I have a belief that a great deal of this is a smoke-screen designed to steer us away from more earthly events, based loosely around military, technological and global business interests. Some of these may also be a wrapper for cosmological events.

Curt
13th July 2011, 16:02
Relevant and interesting points. I have a belief that a great deal of this is a smoke-screen designed to steer us away from more earthly events, based loosely around military, technological and global business interests. Some of these may also be a wrapper for cosmological events.

I agree. But I have a hard time determining which stories are meant to be cover for which agendas. Are the more mundane 5-sense-reality agendas that get leaked and that many of us discuss meant to cover for larger spiritual/cosmic goings-on? Or are all the alien/black magic/satanic secret society stories meant to distract from Wall street robbing us blind and a very earthly set of PTB trying to microchip and enslave us? Or maybe all of these things are psyops designed to steer us away from something else entirely? Who knows.

Cidersomerset
13th July 2011, 16:42
Hi Curtis you will fit right in here , you have gone straight for the jugular ...LoL ..I don't know the answer it is different for everyone ,somedays sifting thru the the contradictory stories on the media , web it could be easy to feel down and think whats the point of it all......It does not effect me like that anymore , i had my eureka momment a couple of years ago , so at your age I was still firmly in the 3D world interested in UFO's History ,football ,drinking & socialising ,all of which I still do.!!!

Anyway I have a two pronged view at the momment, firstly project Avalon and all the other associated conspiracy sites . radio shows etc all great fun full of contradictory information and disinfo,somewhere mixed in with some truth that we are all trying to workout...LOL.!!!!! which again I enjoy although at times can be frustrating.....

Then there was the 'Eureka' momment I was talking about after listening to a Kerry & Bill radio interview with James Martinez in November 2009 , he caught my interest and I did something , I 've only done with a few of the interviewees.I checked his website, which was odd as its a financial journalists site ,and from there I was introduced to Bob Nevritt ,Dr Carolyn Dean And Ion a reprosentative of all of our non-physical.
I'm a firm believer in synchrinicity and it was odd as soon as I had a computor, one of the first sites I was drawn to was project camalot a few weeks after Kerry & Bill set it up and I have watched/listened to 99% of the vids and radio shows put up ... So the same happened with Ion ,I started listening to their radio show a few weeks after Ion showed up, and what I've learned there is 'WE ARE ALL GOD' not religious , and much more , whether its true or not
its great fun and can also be frustrating , but the grilling/questioning he gets every week from the hosts and the public , Ion is very consistant with his answers deffinately resinate with me.....

So as I said I'm on a parrallel course for truth, knowledge and accension not much to ask for !!!!! So Curtis don't get down ,Remember.... When your chewing on life grizzle........Lifes a piece s---- ......Always Look on the bright side of life !!!! LOL Cheers Steve

1loyjm4SOa0

Curt
13th July 2011, 22:28
Hi Curtis you will fit right in here , you have gone straight for the jugular ...LoL ..I don't know the answer it is different for everyone ,somedays sifting thru the the contradictory stories on the media , web it could be easy to feel down and think whats the point of it all......It does not effect me like that anymore , i had my eureka momment a couple of years ago , so at your age I was still firmly in the 3D world interested in UFO's History ,football ,drinking & socialising ,all of which I still do.!!!

Anyway I have a two pronged view at the momment, firstly project Avalon and all the other associated conspiracy sites . radio shows etc all great fun full of contradictory information and disinfo,somewhere mixed in with some truth that we are all trying to workout...LOL.!!!!! which again I enjoy although at times can be frustrating.....

Then there was the 'Eureka' momment I was talking about after listening to a Kerry & Bill radio interview with James Martinez in November 2009 , he caught my interest and I did something , I 've only done with a few of the interviewees.I checked his website, which was odd as its a financial journalists site ,and from there I was introduced to Bob Nevritt ,Dr Carolyn Dean And Ion a reprosentative of all of our non-physical.
I'm a firm believer in synchrinicity and it was odd as soon as I had a computor, one of the first sites I was drawn to was project camalot a few weeks after Kerry & Bill set it up and I have watched/listened to 99% of the vids and radio shows put up ... So the same happened with Ion ,I started listening to their radio show a few weeks after Ion showed up, and what I've learned there is 'WE ARE ALL GOD' not religious , and much more , whether its true or not
its great fun and can also be frustrating , but the grilling/questioning he gets every week from the hosts and the public , Ion is very consistant with his answers deffinately resinate with me.....

So as I said I'm on a parrallel course for truth, knowledge and accension not much to ask for !!!!! So Curtis don't get down ,Remember.... When your chewing on life grizzle........Lifes a piece s---- ......Always Look on the bright side of life !!!! LOL Cheers Steve

1loyjm4SOa0

Monty Python really knew how to end a movie. Thanks for this!

WhiteFeather
13th July 2011, 23:17
My answer which may not be your answer is, Knowing that you understand that we live in a duality.. good and evil, light and dark, male and female, peace and hate etc... You are aware of your reality as well as many others. Its very simple to me.. Don't focus on the negative because TPTB thrive off of this entity, as it is there weapon against us..., be aware of it and just let it go cast it outwards and send this negative energy back to its source. Don't become trapped become free. Give it a try my friend. Be Love Always, for this is the key in defeating the dark-sided ones. Hope this helps.

58andfixed
14th July 2011, 03:47
it's useful to have a goal in the "search"

mine is to understand and grow for the purpose to manifest positivity and also release the fear

when is no fear there's no need to involve feelings in horrible information ;)



My goal was to "Understand why most people didn't want to understand."

I acquired it when I was 6 1/2 years old on the way home from a brutal day at school.

At the time I didn't know of the Universal Law of "Be careful of what you ask for. You just may get it."

It took some 40 years to discover the first layer to the answer.

It took another 10 years to discover & understand a very relevant 2nd answer.

Now I am attempting to gain insight into how to pass this message of insight & wisdom onto others, when many would prefer to stick with what they expect.

It seems clear to me that this unexpected but necessary step, is going to require great creativity on my part.

- 58

Darla Ken Pearce
14th July 2011, 07:39
Yes, I believe you can only deal with the darkness in increments. It would be too overwhelming to get it all at once which I believe will be happening for those who have remained blind to what's been going on behind the scenes. This information is all coming forth this year. No doubt about it, truth will out. There will be some shocked and horrified people, lots of them, and they will need the kindest help available to overcome all that has been done to them and done in their name. It can't be helped.

You know, while I researched everything my mother, assisted by paying for ink cartridges and books I found of value and needed to buy and read. I went through a ton of them like 100's of big laser printer refills, she paid for it all. I was to do the research part and report back to her my findings. This took place over a ten year period of research, when I lived in the wilderness where it was quiet enought to do this sort of thing and I did nothing but research, I put everything else on hold.

But, what happened was it just got worse and worse and what I uncovered was so thoroughly disgusting, so evil, so disheartening, in the end, when I had all the pieces, I didn't have the heart to tell her because it effected every belief system she had in place including our religion, as well as every other agency and belief, most Americans believe in and depend upon. The truth, I felt, would have robbed her of all that she possessed and she just wouldn't be able to digest or deal with it.

Including that my folks lived in Northridge and never recovered from having our family home destroyed and rebuilt with FEMA funds after that event. The fact that it was when they were trying out HAARP and used it for that Earthquake, couldn't be absorbed, too terrifying to imagine your own government doing this to it's people. My mother had all faith in the basic decency of man and our government, a decency that does not exist as I found out. Not even close. And certainly no cigar.

It's like you held a deck of cards, 52 of them, spread out in your hands. And for each betrayal, you threw a card onto the floor and someone stomped on it or set it on fire. And again another card thrown down in disbelief until there were no cards left in your hand and nothing you could possibly trust to believe in ever again. Your hands are empty now, so what comes next? Now you know it but there is nothing there now that your foundation and whole belief system has been trashed, burned, spindled and ruined forever.

What happens next? Well, you can only dust yourself off and begin again with basics. I made an appeal to God. Hello, anybody home up there?

In the end, one thing becomes really clear and that is what kind of a God, what kind of a Creator do we have who would allow all these bad and dark things to happen? Well, there must be some explanation that I'm missing, I thought. Because my God is a kind God. I don't know about anyone else's God but mine is wonderful, kind, benevolent and of this, I have no doubt. I know him in my heart and would recognize him even if I forgot what he looked like. This I know for sure and so I asked how all these things could happen and it came to me. Incidentally, I had lots of things to ask about.

There are things that we don't understand about this life and our part which includes why we came here in the first place. How can things be so cruel? So ugly? So difficult and one of the pieces that was missing is that we've forgotten who we are. We are Divine children of a most loving creator. Here to experience all that we can by Divine Plan and circumstance agreed to prior to coming to Earth. It was necessary to have veils placed over our memories of where we came from because at the first sign of challenge and hardship we would have bailed, jumped off a cliff to get back there.

Why do we die and so many others are killed needlessly? Well, it seems we do not die, we are infinite. Okay, we forgot that part due to the veils. We have a whole misconception about death. Cells of our body die and are replaced every minute of the day, we do not ever die, like cells we change form and transition. We are constantly growing and morphing into something new. We are multi-dimensional but have forgotten this and we also came with Guardian angels and guides and they have been with us all of this time during lifetime after lifetime.

We have grown accustomed to dying. It is not necessary. We have grown accustomed to being reincarnated but it is not necessary. There is a choice according to belief patterns. We can change our at any point in time or out of it. We can live forever or as long as we find it useful and we are always transitioning into new and better models.

All our angels and guides are parts of us ~ so much a part of us, part of our future selves, we keep growing into different versions of ourselves all the time but these angels and high parts of ourselves have been with us over eons of time. Our loving Creator never allowed us to be alone at any moment on Earth. Not one moment! Angels guide our path even when we believe disasters are upon us and we are lonely and alone, it ain't necesarily so.

It is all an illusion, a hologram, a dream within a dream. We have played many different parts as light and dark characters. We got very good at it and kept learning through each lifetime. Things that we had missed or been attached to through Karma that needed to be overcome. It all makes sense but it takes a quantum leap to be able to see into all the shadows and figure out how to get out of them.

It's the only thing that makes sense and then, I started looking back over my life to see what was going on with those dark things that happened to me. What was the purpose of those, you know? Then, after thinking about it for a long time and holding events up to the light of day, like a jeweler holds up a diamond to exam it's value, I saw something incredible and it was that there were perceivable patterns to what happened to me throughtout from earliest childhood onward.

For instance, there were always three distinct elements to disasters that happened. A move was necessary out of familiar surroundings, my children were ill at the same time the move was required. And I also was ill with a version of whatever they had, like once it was chicken pox and I got shingles. These three things together in one form or another were always present during times of chaos and crisis, so there was this pattern. Over and over something like this appeared. It's like what joker thought up all three of these challenges at once to totally overwhelm me? There was only one answer to that and it was ME. Load it up, move it out, RAWHIDE! Geez. Overload the banks so that the river overflows and causes great movement and changes to occur!

Three was the lucky number and I saw it over and over as I reviewed my lifetime experiences. Never just one disaster but always three at once. No taking a chance on sliding on some traumatic event it was always ~ wham, wham, wham. Then it came to me. That we all go through cycles of victimhood first and then, we get out of that, but still don't realize what is causing all these twists and turns. Plenty of darkness going on and little did we realize that we were drawing these lower vibrations towards us unwittingly but nevertherless being overwhelmed with darkness and lower vibrational things. Wham, wham, wham.

Once we realize that it doesn't really matter what the CIA or government is doing when we are our worst enemy and by studying and getting too near this huge darkness that is them, we continue to draw more negativity and bad luck to our own selves over and over again. We get caught up in these dark matrixes along with them. Once you can see this and take responsibility not for what they've done but for your own setup, your own Divine plan which was to get you to this very point in perceptions, so that you realize how powerful you are to have created all these things, you realize that you can change all of it through changing the way you act once you know. And by avoiding this negativity like the plague! You don't have to go there at all. You can use a flip of your wrist and turn off that brainwashing tool ~ your TV. You don't have to live in darkness once you realize that you are worthy of light and love and there never was any worthiness issues. You are good and kind no matter how anyone or anything else may appear.

They can't touch you if you stay in the higher vibrations and all of our life and even our person, our body, our mind, and spirit has a signature, a vibe and we can raise it or lower it at will. We can refuse to participate in the dark parts again. We can rise above our fears of everything.

We can get our frequency higher just watching Youtube videos and get our signature vibe up and above to that of unconditional love which is measurable at 528 hz. It's available for anyone to get out of the dark ~ no matter how much or how far it goes out into the world this darkness, you have the power to create your own environment around you. Your own magnetic field, if you will, of higher realms. You can draw good instead of darkness and wear it as a cloak.

And once you know and are sure about these things you can come to a place like Avalon where some are open to new ideas like this one and hope others can believe you and do it themselves. We can become love or stay in darkness. All of it is a choice we make everyday. And so it is.... Much love! xoxoxoxo

Curt
18th July 2011, 00:37
Hi Darla,

Thanks very much for this. And thanks for sharing your personal experience to make the point that we, as individuals, have the power to create our own realities--regardless of what any shadowy elite may or may not be doing. That's a key point worth always keeping in mind. It is much appreciated.