View Full Version : Israel Palestinian Conflict: The Truth About the West Bank

28th July 2011, 16:46

If this video leads to a discussion i would be nice to stick to facts or at least support your arguments.
It would also like to keep this discussion about the possible borders and not about the people and what they are doing to each other.

And to be clear, i also want the middle east madness to stop and that the people there find a way to live in peace with each other.

Lord Sidious
28th July 2011, 19:25

If this video leads to a discussion i would be nice to stick to facts or at least support your arguments.
It would also like to keep this discussion about the possible borders and not about the people and what they are doing to each other.

And to be clear, i also want the middle east madness to stop and that the people there find a way to live in peace with each other.

Ok, I will deal with this junk, no worries.

1. The israeli army captured the west bank from jordan, not the palestinians.

Well, that is ok then. By all means, go ahead and treat the felestini lower than dogs, after all, the west bank was captured from jordan.

2. Israel was not the agressor in the 1967 war.
That is 100% true, they did not cross the borders, the arabs did. This was the first time israelis had access to east jerusalem, after they captured that as well.
HOWEVER, they also attacked the USS Liberty, knowing full well she was a US Navy intelligence ship.
She had intercepted messages that the israeli army was murdering egyptian prisoners in the sinai desert in mass shootings.

3. Jordan had no rights in the west bank.
You gotta be jerking my chain? Claiming that jordan had no rights in the west bank because they ONLY occupied it after a conflict, whilst doing the same is what they call in yiddish, chutzpah. Oh, and the ONLY people who call that area judea and samaria is guess who?
Zionist individuals who want to create eretz israel.

Let's see how it panned out, shall we?

This is the british mandate. Don't worry about the fact that britain only had rights here by occupation after the first world war, oh and don't worry about the fact that they assigned some of the land to others too, just go with the flow.

This is what the imperialists, the french and british agreed to after they had wiped out the ottomans. How generous of them.

This is what the zionists presented to the alleged peace conference at the palace of versailles in 1919. They also claimed the famous 6 million jews being exterminated by the germans in the first world war too, but that is for another time and thread.
Notice the labels on the west bank? Judea and samaria. Interesting.

This is the partition plan for 1947 and what was supposed to happen. In 48, the future israelis declared indepence and were promptly invaded from all sides.

This is only one of many different maps that show the plans of the zionists.

4. The original jewish homeland included all of the palestine mandate.
Yeah, sure it did, but only in the minds of the zionists. No one else agreed to that.

5. The west bank is not occupied but is disputed territory.
Again, look at the agreed borders in the map above of the partition plan that the future israelis agreed to.
The west bank was meant to be part of a palestinian state, but it has been occupied by either jordan or israel ever since 48.
You can't dispute something that you have agreed to before, excepting error and duress.

6. The ''settlements'' in the west bank should not be considered illegal.
Well, here we go again. Israel has agreed at times to not put more settlements in, but does so anyway.
If they will not keep their treaties, then why should we consider their building on other peoples land legal?

Now, krullenjongen/carpenters apprentice, why are you showing us israeli government propaganda as if it were some form of legitimate info?
If you wish to be a christian zionist, by all means, that is your right.
BUT, bringing this junk to avalon and trying to push this line is no ok.
I am of the opinion that there is no pro israel or pro palestinian side, there is only the peace side and that is universal.
I REFUSE to take sides and say x side is better than y side.
It is not so. There are good and bad people on both sides.
BUT if we TRULY want peace, we have to stop this x versus y rubbish.
It didn't work yesterday.
It won't work today.
And tomorrow isn't looking so good either.
Shalom, salaam and let's hear Ofra again.


Lord Sidious
28th July 2011, 19:32
Oh, and another thing, stop fueling the madness.
If you TRULY are a follower of jesus, ask yourself this, would he advocate for israel, palestine or ALL the innocents?
When you answer that, you have your future path.

4th November 2011, 21:20
I am new to this but from my brief research the way I see it is...

it does not matter if the British had control of the area because the Ottoman empire lost the war and gave them so called control of the area - why?
Because the people who owned the land really were living on the land, and apparently they were about 92% arabs. The powers that be like to create
the illusion that they are right because they have used armies to force the rightful people into submission.

The UN nations is a corrupt organisation, that came out of the League of Nations and the Council Of Foreign Relations who are essentially Zionists as far as I can see. So we have TPTB pretending to be "righteous" yet again using the full power of their media to cast spells over the simple folk like you and me - when in reality they don't have any right to take away the land of 92% of the arabs that have lived there for generations. It all great illusive lie.

British empire, United Nations they are corrupt - nothing they state is law is really law - its their own corrupt law!

And in regard to the biblical reasoning which is even more absurd.

There was a research done to show that there was no geneological difference between the arab and jewish people living in the middle east - which means

physically they are the same. So either the arabs and the jews are the same chosen people or there really is not any chosen people i.e. the arabs have just the same chosen people status to remain on the land they have been on for generations.

But the more astute individual could highlight the political advantage of creating a personalised (political) god, who has decided that a particular (political) group or the chosen ones and then, the political group puts words in the mouth of their own created god, that makes that god out to be a murderer as strangely that political god allows the politically chosen people to behave in a (theoretically) UNGODLY manner!?

What if the arabs decided to create their own god and say that their god stated they were the chosen people and that their god said that America, or Britain , or Switzerland was their chosen land. What if the arabs then decided to go over to those countries were people had been living for a long time and started using force and violence to remove those people from their land?

Anyway, as I say I have only just started looking in to it. There may be something "extremely complex" I am missing, which would explain why so many seem to be arguing over this issue.


Occupation 101
Palestine is still the issue



Re: Sion

Hum Immunol. 2001 Sep;62(9):889-900.
The origin of Palestinians and their genetic relatedness with other Mediterranean populations.
The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition.

percival tyro
5th November 2011, 15:00
Deeply felt .....Me too