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31st July 2011, 21:16
WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO DIE
Any pain to be suffered comes first. Instinctively you fight to live.

That is automatic.

It is inconceivable to the conscious mind that any other reality could possibly exist beside the earth-world of matter bounded by time and space. We are used to it. We have been trained since birth to live and thrive in it. We know ourselves to be ourselves by the external stimuli we receive. Life tells us who we are and we accept its telling. That, too, is automatic, and to be expected.

Your body goes limp. Your heart stops. No more air flows in or out.

You lose sight, feeling, and movement although the ability to hear goes last. Identity ceases. The "you" that you once were becomes only a memory.

There is no pain at the moment of death.

Only peaceful silence. . . calm. . . quiet.

But you still exist.

It is easy not to breathe. In fact, it is easier, more comfortable, and infinitely more natural not to breathe than to breathe. The biggest surprise for most people in dying is to realize that dying does not end life. Whether darkness or light comes next, or some kind of event, be it positive, negative, or somewhere in-between, expected or unexpected, the biggest surprise of all is to realize you are still you. You can still think, you can still remember, you can still see, hear, move, reason, wonder, feel, question, and tell jokes if you wish.

You are still alive, very much alive. Actually, you're more alive after death than at any time since you were last born. Only the way of all this is different; different because you no longer wear a dense body to filter and amplify the various sensations you had once regarded as the only valid indicators of what constitutes life. You had always been taught one has to wear a body to live.

If you expect to die when you die you will be disappointed.

The only thing dying does is help you release, slough off, and discard the "jacket" you once wore (more commonly referred to as a body).

When you die you lose your body.

That's all there is to it.

Nothing else is lost.

You are not your body. It is just something you wear for a while, because living in the earth-plane is infinitely more meaningful and more involved if you are encased in its trappings and subject to its rules.


WHAT DEATH IS
There is a step-up of energy at the moment of death, an increase in speed as if you are suddenly vibrating faster than before.

Using radio as an analogy, this speed-up is comparable to having lived all your life at a certain radio frequency when all of a sudden someone or something comes along and flips the dial. That flip shifts you to another, higher wavelength. The original frequency where you once existed is still there. It did not change. Everything is still just the same as it was. Only you changed, only you speeded up to allow entry into the next radio frequency on the dial.

As is true with all radios and radio stations, there can be bleed-overs or distortions of transmission signals due to interference patterns. These can allow or force frequencies to coexist or commingle for indefinite periods of time. Normally, most shifts up the dial are fast and efficient; but, occasionally, one can run into interference, perhaps from a strong emotion, a sense of duty, or a need to fulfill a vow, or keep a promise. This interference could allow coexistence of frequencies for a few seconds, days, or even years (perhaps explaining hauntings); but, sooner or later, eventually, every given vibrational frequency will seek out or be nudged to where it belongs.

You fit your particular spot on the dial by your speed of vibration. You cannot coexist forever where you do not belong.

Who can say how many spots there are on the dial or how many frequencies there are to inhabit. No one knows.

You shift frequencies in dying. You switch over to life on another wave-length. You are still a spot on the dial but you move up or down a notch or two.

You don't die when you die. You shift your consciousness and speed of vibration.

That's all death is. . . a shift.




The following material was excerpted from two of P. M. H. Atwater's books "Beyond the Light: The Mysteries and Revelations of Near-Death Experiences" (Avon Books, New York City, 1994), and "We Live Forever: The Real Truth about Death" (A.R.E. Press, Virginia Beach, VA, 2004). It is based on first-person commentaries from over 3,000 adult experiencers of near-death states. To learn more about the near-death research of P. M. H. Atwater, L.H.D. access www.cinemind.com/atwater.

Arrowwind
31st July 2011, 21:21
And most people when close to dying are not in fear, especially older folks... its like they know just from having lived that dying is OK.

Lord Sidious
31st July 2011, 21:27
As someone who has died twice, I can tell you I don't remember the first time.
The second time I had some people drown me in the army.
They set me up to fail a swim test and let me drown, but pulled me out.
Lucky for me, I was one of those who start breathing again when the epiglotis detects air, so I must have had a heartbeat.
I had the NDE, saw my life flash before my eyes and I got the tunnel vision that contracted down to a fine point and then everything went black.
The next thing I knew, I was coughing on the safety boat.
They made me do it again 15 minutes later and a sergeant came in with me and cheated so I would pass.
He asked me WTF was going on?
They did it again a fortnight later as well.

Carmody
31st July 2011, 21:34
As someone who has died twice, I can tell you I don't remember the first time.
The second time I had some people drown me in the army.
They set me up to fail a swim test and let me drown, but pulled me out.
Lucky for me, I was one of those who start breathing again when the epiglotis detects air, so I must have had a heartbeat.
I had the NDE, saw my life flash before my eyes and I got the tunnel vision that contracted down to a fine point and then everything went black.
The next thing I knew, I was coughing on the safety boat.
They made me do it again 15 minutes later and a sergeant came in with me and cheated so I would pass.
He asked me WTF was going on?
They did it again a fortnight later as well.

That's probably when you first thought of the line you had your troops say as often as possible:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aspp1r0tS4

All in all, that was pretty dang dangerous behavior on their part. Nuthin' like hazing in the militry...

Alien Ramone
31st July 2011, 21:40
I wonder if when someone dies they then remember all past lives, since the DNA of the 3-D body is no longer a factor, unless it is a factor in changing the structure of the spirit enough that memories of past lives would be lost even in the spirit world. I wonder what kind of vision spirits have; if it averages 20/20 like humans or is much better and also in all directions. I wonder if lighting affects their vision like it does with humans. I wonder who it is who supervises reincarnation and makes the final decision on who someone gets to reincarnate as.

JDM
31st July 2011, 21:52
Through the wormhole had a good show on this one.

The guy in the first few minutes of the show was in a coma and died I thought he had an accurate description.
If you dont watch the whole show you should listen to his part anyway.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAQpOHBrZeU


EDIT: Ohh and this site has thousands of NDE or DE experiences rather
>>>>> http://www.near-death.com/ <<<<

<8>
31st July 2011, 21:59
I drowned as a 10 year old kid. I had one of those black rings you blow up wid air. It might have been from a car tire, anyway i whent upside down and i was stuck in this thing soooo i started the breath water after a bit. But my mum saw me and saved me..:) (she work as a nurse)

Then as a 16 year old kid, i ended up in a river in the winter. Long story short. I came to hospital, and there i past out. The day after i woke up and my doctor told me my temp was 32 degres C and he did not know how i survived that.

I did not remember any thing about going to any light and all that. But i have to say if i have to choose, ill take the last one.

I understand now, that all people dont remember the after death part. And i can personally say, if i had remember anything. I whould not done all the things i have done in my life. So i guess it is some point to letting people know or not.

(Darn them, i whanted to be a straight-A student down here)..:P

etheric underground
1st August 2011, 02:19
As someone who has died twice, I can tell you I don't remember the first time.
The second time I had some people drown me in the army.
They set me up to fail a swim test and let me drown, but pulled me out.
Lucky for me, I was one of those who start breathing again when the epiglotis detects air, so I must have had a heartbeat.
I had the NDE, saw my life flash before my eyes and I got the tunnel vision that contracted down to a fine point and then everything went black.
The next thing I knew, I was coughing on the safety boat.
They made me do it again 15 minutes later and a sergeant came in with me and cheated so I would pass.
He asked me WTF was going on?
They did it again a fortnight later as well.

I have more in common than first realised lordy...
I too have had 2 death experiences. the first was when I was 10.
Fell 3 stories off a flying fox landed fortuanely on my arms. Broken jaw,
broken arms, collar bone, ripped my lip off, swollen brain... I was out
for 10 minutes. They didnt think i was comin back....I came back.
Second was surfing in Piha. New zealand. Thought I was good enough to
ride the big surf.....NAH! Wiped out, board got broken... forced under for what felt like
minutes... finally got to the surface to be forced down again and again. I gave up.
I was out of breath and instinctively knew i was on my way out... And it was surreal.
I became still and passive and calm. Once you stop fighting it is in actual fact rather melliflouos.
It was not my time...again. I floated to the top and the surf went remarkably still and glassy.
I took a breath and realised I was back. It was painful and traumatic to be back in my body.

norman
1st August 2011, 02:54
I foolishly got in a canoe fully clothed and tried to chase after my friends who had gone out on a lake in north Wales without me because there wasn't enough room in the little boat for me.

I pulled hard on the paddle and swayed from side to side and soon tipped the thing right over.

I was struck by how totally stupid I'd been as I was going under. I tried to swim but I'd never been much good at it and now I was wearing a full set of clothes. I kept getting quick gasps of air but I knew I couldn't keep it up for long. The others were far away in their boat and didn't even notice.

I was starting to come to terms with the fact I was doomed and about to die.

Suddenly, a miracle. one of my hands touched something. It was part of a submerged tree. It was only a tiny twig but it seemed to be attached to something bigger. It really WAS a tree!, just lying there under water. I felt around and found more of it and found stronger bits of it until I could put a foot on it.

From my foothold I could gather my wits and make a propper shout for help. I did. The others heard me and came over and dragged me out of the water.

That was not a real near death experience but it was the first time I'd ever hit the brick wall of reality.

It was so profoundly wierd about the way that submerged tree was there to save me that I should have realised then and there that 'someone' was making a point that I am being looked after. Regretably, I was going through a very crazy patch and didn't "get-it" at all. I went on to tumble down lower and lower into a strife ridden existence where several things happened to me that I'd previously thought would never happen to ME!?

The eventual wakeup call was massive but it needn't have been. That experience with the canoe could have been enough.

Davidallany
1st August 2011, 04:15
As someone who has died twice, I can tell you I don't remember the first time.
The second time I had some people drown me in the army.
They set me up to fail a swim test and let me drown, but pulled me out.
Lucky for me, I was one of those who start breathing again when the epiglotis detects air, so I must have had a heartbeat.
I had the NDE, saw my life flash before my eyes and I got the tunnel vision that contracted down to a fine point and then everything went black.
The next thing I knew, I was coughing on the safety boat.
They made me do it again 15 minutes later and a sergeant came in with me and cheated so I would pass.
He asked me WTF was going on?
They did it again a fortnight later as well.
I am glad my Lord that you still among us, otherwise we would be ruled by Jedi Sleemos. chPHk3zfjA0

Lord Sidious
1st August 2011, 04:18
I run em all out of town though.
Well, the ones we didn't whack. :p

Davidallany
1st August 2011, 04:23
I run em all out of town though.
Well, the ones we didn't whack.
We shall double our efforts. Everything is proceeding as you have foreseen it my Lord.