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1st August 2011, 16:07
We are Primates, no doubt about that. We also have specifics of mental wiring, wiring which rules our autonomous functions.

Learning that it is real and it exists, and that we need to be wrestling with it consciously - that is critical. As long as we are alive and breathing the need for that will never end.

The rust of your autonomous function will never cease.

There are good and bad sides to this aspect of autonomous function.

It is the training wheels that allow you to be alive, until your inner self wakens and takes charge. Even then.... the ego, which is the ruler of the inner monkey, it is the peak non conscious (but highly emotional) function of the avatar or body...even then this ego will always think it is in charge of the entire edifice and shape your thoughts and actions. Like a ghost inside, constantly grabbing for the controls.

Your inner monkey was shaped via your particular genetics and upbringing.

It is vital to remember that it is in you, always trying to drive, ghosting your every move, sometimes owning your given moves, shaping your thoughts and emotional reactions, for it is the ruler of your body's peak functions, regarding intellectual contemplation. What I mean is you can't contemplate or think clearly if it, the edifice, the body, the emotions, the ego... removes the capacity to think clearly by flooding the wiring with false or imagined cues..cues from past issues and learning.

Everything must past though it so it colors everything you are and do. Which is why it will never sleep. It can't do that, as long as the body has breath--it will be there, in some manner or another.

Did the monkey cage and banana test ever take place? Apparently it did. And when it did, it manged to show one of the root causes of humankind's issues -quite clearly.


The Monkey Banana and Water Spray Experiment
The experiment is real (scientific study cited below)
The experiment involved 5 monkeys (10 altogether, including replacements), a cage, a banana, a ladder and, an ice cold water hose.

The Experiment- Part 1
5 monkeys are locked in a cage, a banana was hung from the ceiling and a ladder was placed right underneath it.
As predicted, immediately, one of the monkeys would race towards the ladder, to grab the banana. However, as soon as he would start to climb, the researcher would spray the monkey with ice-cold water.
but here's the kicker- In addition, he would also spray the other four monkeys…

When a second monkey tried to climb the ladder, the researcher would, again, spray the monkey with ice-cold water, As well as the other four watching monkeys;
This was repeated again and again until they learned their lesson:\
Climbing equals scary cold water for EVERYONE so No One Climbs the ladder.

The Experiment- Part 2
Once the 5 monkeys knew the drill, the researcher replaced one of the monkeys with a new inexperienced one. As predicted, the new monkey spots the banana, and goes for the ladder. BUT, the other four monkeys, knowing the drill, jumped on the new monkey and beat him up. The beat up new guy thus Learns- NO going for the ladder and No Banana Period- without even knowing why! and also without ever being sprayed with water!

These actions get repeated with 3 more times, with a new monkey each time and ASTONISHINGLY each new monkey- who had never received the cold-water Spray himself (and didn't even know anything about it), would Join the beating up of the New guy.
This is a classic example of Mob Mentality- bystanders and outsiders uninvolved with the fight- join in...Just Because.

When the researcher replaced a third monkey, the same thing happened; likewise for the fourth until, eventually, all the monkeys had been replaced and none of the original ones are left in the cage (that had been sprayed by water).

The Experiment- Part 3
Again, a new monkey was introduced into the cage. It ran toward the ladder only to get beaten up by the others. The monkey turns with a curious face asking "why do you beat me up when I try to get the banana?"
The other four monkeys stopped and looked at each other puzzled (None of them had been sprayed and so they really had no clue why the new guy can't get the banana) but it didnt matter, it was too late, the rules had been set. And So, although they didn't know WHY, they beat up the monkey just because " that's the way we do things around here"…

Below is a quotation from the experiment, in scientific Jargon: (sources cited below)

"Stephenson (1967) trained adult male and female rhesus monkeys to avoid manipulating an object and then placed individual naïve animals in a cage with a trained individual of the same age and sex and the object in question. In one case, a trained male actually pulled his naïve partner away from the previously punished manipulandum during their period of interaction, whereas the other two trained males exhibited what were described as "threat facial expressions while in a fear posture" when a naïve animal approached the manipulandum. When placed alone in the cage with the novel object, naïve males that had been paired with trained males showed greatly reduced manipulation of the training object in comparison with controls. Unfortunately, training and testing were not carried out using a discrimination procedure so the nature of the transmitted information cannot be determined, but the data are of considerable interest."

Stephenson, G. R. (1967). Cultural acquisition of a specific learned response among rhesus monkeys. In: Starek, D., Schneider, R., and Kuhn, H. J. (eds.), Progress in Primatology, Stuttgart: Fischer, pp. 279-288.

mentioned in: Galef, B. G., Jr. (1976). Social Transmission of Acquired Behavior: A Discussion of Tradition and Social Learning in Vertebrates. In: Rosenblatt, J.S., Hinde, R.A., Shaw, E. and Beer, C. (eds.), Advances in the study of behavior, Vol. 6, New York: Academic Press, pp. 87-88:

1st August 2011, 16:16
Now you're talking Carmody

Get rid of crap out of your system ladies and gentlemen, thank you Carmody, a good one



1st August 2011, 16:45
It really does come down to that.

We fight with the inner bits as they are the root aspect of the ego function. The ego function does all it can to force us to look outside and never inside.

Why do we have all these problems in our lives and the world?

Read this thread. It really is that simple, it always has been.

The heart of the answer you require really is in here, in this thread. The number of replies and responses will probably be low. You will realize this, even as you read it.

You will know that it is true, in that moment.

And your ego will freak out. You will feel the ZING! inside as this becomes knowledge. And you will feel the rising emotions in the background, beneath your conscious thoughts, trying to break the emergent pattern. The one that is your conscious mind trying to look at the ego. The ego is trying to force the breaking of that gaze, the gaze of the consciousness that lies inside.

We will save the world! We will externalize and thus move forward with the root problem never solved, doomed to repeat ourselves! Yes, that's what we need to do! Right........

And in one or two days..since the ego body, like rust, NEVER sleeps... it will probably be successful in in compelling you to forget.

1st August 2011, 16:55
To give you folks an idea, I ran an experiment back in September 2010. I ended a thread, a powerful thread which got quite hairy, regarding some exposure of the more basic potentials* for truth in this world.

A thread and subject covered that takes reality to the ragged edge, where the inner monkey, the inner ego--- freaks out.

The last sentence in the last post in the thread basically said "forget everything you've just heard, and go back to sleep."

And that thread has slept since that time.

So the thread I speak of is both good and bad, it illustrates this complexity within us.

Everyone forgot. You see?


*'potentials', as the body and ego are still around when we explore the ragged edge of reality and thus they color our excursions into the realms of dimensionality and create false ghosts with their fear reflections. The thread I speak of is full of that. It is both good and bad. It can give some information on how such things work, at the same time it colors us via our fears and expectations.

Which the first post in this thread covers that aspect quite clearly. Since we are creationist in our overall aspects, we can create our own realities to some degree. Especially with the mass mind aspect, which lies unrealized inside of us (on the individual level) for the most part.

The elites and what is behind them work hard to manipulate the mass mind aspect of our complex and multi-layered selves. That is how they try to 'run' us.

1st August 2011, 17:14
What you brought up here reminded me of an image that is useful for the understanding
of the different parts of the whole human being and how they interact.

A man approaches a horse-drawn carriage, a taxi, in the days before cars,
as he wants to hire a ride to go somewhere.

He negociates with the coachman and climbs inside the carriage.
The door shut, the coachman climbs unto his seat up above and the horse, on his command, begins to pull the vehicle.

So here we have 4 elements, and each one corresponds to an inner meaning.

The passenger (soul of man)
The coachman, (man's intellect)
The horse, (man's emotions)
The carriage (man's body)
The journey is the passage through life.

Using this image one can get an idea how this might play out.

What is important to understand is that once the passenger is hidden inside that carriage he is pretty powerless,
yet the whole point of the journey is about him and his agenda.

The horse is physically more powerful than the coachman,
who must always outwit it, to keep it obedient.

Hence the emotions can run away, but planning and decision-making can prevent mistakes.
But emotions are needed or there would be no "motion", no journey.

If the coachman (intellect) forgets that he has a passenger in the back or thinks he is alseep,
he may well start to believe that it's all about him, seeing that he is high up, on top of the world.
So he might want to do whatever pleases him; or cheat a bit and stop or detour to visit a friend.

If the horse sees a mare in a pasture who is in heat, then even the coachman has a hard time controlling it.
If the coach is in such bad physical conditions, like wheels or axle are broken then even a horse can no longer pull it
and the journey ends.

1st August 2011, 17:37
Be gentle with the inner monkey, as it were. Ease it out of fear or it will throw a monkey wrench into your every endeavor.

that sleeping thread was really great, btw.

1st August 2011, 17:54
All so true!!!

Human's waking up one at a time is a slooooowwwww...........process!! Mass/Unity consciousness does await, however in this moment there is one more somewhere waking up and I take joy in this for this moment.:)

Thank you for this thread and all the contributions as they so eloquently describe the dumbing down techniques and ego situation we all are subject to in a nutshell.

Great way to present more perspectives to see ourselves in the mirror and today someone did because of your contributions. Keep teaching, guiding, coaching as you are appreciated and valued for your work/Thank you