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Astar Of David
8th June 2010, 20:49
How the Game that "God" and "The Devil" play ends.

God and the Devil are said to be at war for the souls of men.
Some people feel God has abandoned man.
Some people feel The Devil is ruling over man.
God has a reason to play absent in his game, and that reason is:
If only The Devil has played then it's 100% logically provable that The Devil is the only one at fault for any and all reasons man has sinned.
God plays his game as a witness to Satan's sin's by sending pure souls (Born as martyrs) to Earth in the final time before judgment day.
God's last move is that the God's return from a long journey just in time for Judgment Day. And their returning proves God was not even here playing and thus proving his innocence and proving The Devil's faults.
God will win simply by not interfering until the end.

For:
It was the Devil who made rules and laws of control.
It was the Devil who made the idea of the Church for Worship.
It was the Devil who made the idea of controlling man with the concept of no sex before marriage. And marriage. So as to sell him Porn and sex in media & T.V.
It was the Devil who caused the recent Earth disasters using HARRP.
It was the Devil who caused man death and cancers and diseases by pollution mans food and water and air adding radiation waves and microwaves radio waves ect. it all interferes with the mind body spirit and soul.
If the Devil is the only one playing then he is the only one at odds with himself on earth. Thus all wars are his own doing.
Because he controls both sides at war. (Both teams at war are with hate and anger thus with the devil) As one side controlled by the devil states X the other side also controlled by the Devil states Y so they will always go to war with one another unless they learn to listen instead of being too full of Ego to admit when they are wrong or to listen to the opposing team.
"The Devil never listen's to his own reason why he's attacking his own kind he's to proud"
I think the idea this time around is not to punish Satan but to reward him with his very own planet and the people who still worship him after God's return, and so if they get their own planet and still go to war with each other then they will simply blow their own selves up so God doesn't have to.There for ultimate proof of who truly is at fault. As they can bare witness to their own faults of destructive force and realize they are the only ones at fault for their own demise.
Thus we will copy and paste a new earth making two earths. One for the positive people with love in their hearts and one for the negatives with black in their hearts.
http://www.flashnews.com/news/wfn02100607fn12215.html

"God" is associated with truth, and "The Devil" associated with the lie.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2782-The-Lie-is-the-Illusion-of-quot-Hell-on-Earth-quot-quot-Heaven-on-Earth-quot-comes-from-Truth.

If I have made any mistakes please correct me that is why I have posted for feedback.
Take Care.

greybeard
8th June 2010, 22:50
One translation of the word devil is EGO.
God does not have to prove anything including His innocence.
All of it is an illusion but very real and very painful till our ignorance is removed.
Chris

Astar Of David
8th June 2010, 23:23
I'm positive that the EGO is not mans fault.
Because there is something placing that voice there to begin with.
And the voice convinces it is you, when in reality it is the voice of the Devil (and or Anti-Christ) masked as your Ego.
That voice that tells you what you want or don't want.
Of course there are both good and bad voices most people hear when there is a choice to be made. "Do: I eat the last piece? Or: Do I save it for my friend?"
God is also that inner feeling gut instinct that tells you what you want or need and when you've had too much or you need to share or help.

On a personal note I've personally dealt with the anti-Christ in my life, and in doing so I have witnessed "his or it's" effects on man and man's will... by it effecting my own will and my friends wills.
I have bare witness to the source and cause of mans suffering.
And it is the "Ego" voice who has caused all the problems. The voice that lets lies happen by simply not listening to the opposing sides.
And that voice is equal to "The Devil" The voice that says "It's all mine" or "I'm better than you" or that says "Why should I listen to you?"

greybeard
8th June 2010, 23:36
There is a thread in spiritual section dedicated to the ego what is it and how to transcend
Perhaps you would like to post there as well Astar.

Chris

RedeZra
8th June 2010, 23:53
If I have made any mistakes please correct me that is why I have posted for feedback.

It was the Devil who made the idea of the Church.
It was the Devil who made the idea of controlling man with the concept of no sex before marriage. And marriage.




lol that was God

core family values are cornerstones of a happy healthy civilization

the devil wants to smash that to pieces

along with all hopes of Heaven

Anchor
9th June 2010, 00:00
The devil simply doesnt yet realise who he is messing with :)

RedeZra
9th June 2010, 00:09
the devil is the champion of evil

as Padre Pio says

the devil is very cunning

he is the father of lies

and he has a purpose

to test the valor of the soul

greybeard
9th June 2010, 00:18
the devil is the champion of evil

as Padre Pio says

the devil is very cunning

he is the father of lies

and he has a purpose

to test the valor of the soul

Coincidence but I just watched an Italian movie with English sub titles on the life of Padre Pio, RedeZra
The acting was superb, the story very moving, It had me in tears.
I think it is a mistake to knock the church, dogma yes, history yes, but the energy in a church can be very high and may good souls are minister or priests.
Chris

cloud9
9th June 2010, 00:20
Wow! Some people can say or write a lot of nonsense. This topic of the devil is soooooo...church and indoctrination. I feel sad for people who still believe this stuff.
Evil exists, devil doesn't.

Astar Of David
9th June 2010, 00:21
"to test the valor of the soul"
If this is so then he is simple no longer needed as his method is very outdated. No matter how many times we tell him , he is simply to proud to hear the truth.

"Wow! Some people can say or write a lot of nonsense. This topic of the devil is soooooo...church and indoctrination. I feel sad for people who still believe this stuff. Evil exists, devil doesn't. "

Maybe you should have read this before you posted? :
"God" is associated with truth, and "The Devil" associated with the lie.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2782-The-Lie-is-the-Illusion-of-quot-Hell-on-Earth-quot-quot-Heaven-on-Earth-quot-comes-from-Truth.

Also I am not attacking the people of the church merely the lies within the concept of church and worship.
Most of church and religion is correct but a few concepts are not because they are controlling and or limiting for no other reason than that for control and money to keep the church itself alive.
We don't really need "churches" because we can confess our sins to ourselves and forgive ourselves.
The support is good and overall attitude of the church is right but with a few lies within.
From a logical reasoning point of view I see no reason not to have sex before marriage? Other than someone told you not to for whatever reason they had.
If God can provide a logical reason why we should not have sex before marriage, then I will agree no sex before marriage, until then I think it was invented by the church for control as when there is marriages there is reason to have a church after all. Thus the church will never fall until people stop worrying about such a silly thing as sex that is technically a gift for man to experience.
So long as you have love in your heart towards the other person your with I see no reason or need for a church?
Think about it... there are so many men on earth where there is no BIBLE or marriage. They just love one another and out of love comes a form of respect. And thus no one harms one another on purpose. And if it does happen then they can be sorry and talk it out instead of being angry and not speaking.
Why involve law and lawyers in matters of the heart?

RedeZra
9th June 2010, 01:24
Wow! Some people can say or write a lot of nonsense. This topic of the devil is soooooo...church and indoctrination. I feel sad for people who still believe this stuff.
Evil exists, devil doesn't.


lol why this need to negate what you don't see

there are a lot of things that you don't see

and accept at face value

just because someone says so


the devil is the focal point of evil

else from where would evil come


if logic fails then try to apply common sense

at least listen to the tales of those that have experienced evil entities


it's amazing that one still needs to spell out the ABC of existence

RedeZra
9th June 2010, 02:16
"to test the valor of the soul"
If this is so then he is simple no longer needed as his method is very outdated. No matter how many times we tell him , he is simply to proud to hear the truth.


business is very good these days

no need to change any methods

in the soul collect




We don't really need "churches" because we can confess our sins to ourselves and forgive ourselves.


we don't really need civilization either because we can all just do what we want



If God can provide a logical reason why we should not have sex before marriage, then I will agree no sex before marriage, until then I think it was invented by the church for control as when there is marriages there is reason to have a church after all.


there are so many reasons

sex is a source of pregnancy

abortion should not be an option for unwanted children

the core family is the rock of a civilization

inhabitants lost in lust and promiscuous affairs assures its downfall

there are diseases

sleep with a **** and one has slept with a quarter of the city lol

humans are not animals

truthseekerdan
9th June 2010, 05:35
I'm positive that the EGO is not mans fault.
Because there is something placing that voice there to begin with.
And the voice convinces it is you, when in reality it is the voice of the Devil (and or Anti-Christ) masked as your Ego.
That voice that tells you what you want or don't want.
Of course there are both good and bad voices most people hear when there is a choice to be made. "Do: I eat the last piece? Or: Do I save it for my friend?"
God is also that inner feeling gut instinct that tells you what you want or need and when you've had too much or you need to share or help.

On a personal note I've personally dealt with the anti-Christ in my life, and in doing so I have witnessed "his or it's" effects on man and man's will... by it effecting my own will and my friends wills.
I have bare witness to the source and cause of mans suffering.
And it is the "Ego" voice who has caused all the problems. The voice that lets lies happen by simply not listening to the opposing sides.
And that voice is equal to "The Devil" The voice that says "It's all mine" or "I'm better than you" or that says "Why should I listen to you?"

Devil/Satan = Ego? You decide for yourself Astar Of David! :decision:

If the ego is the separation between us and the divine, then the "fall" would be divinity coming into the dense matter and separating from the oneness it had in the unmanifest. Satan (adversary) is related to density - and bodily desire, greed, hate, and gluttony.

In Buddhism Satan is basically equivalent to "Mara" the god of delusion (Mara tempts the Buddha with desire and anger during an all night meditation, and the Buddha resists and becomes enlightened).

In Hinduism Mara is the Goddess of Death. Maya is a more prominent goddess who rules illusion and the duality of existence. Even though illusion and duality are to be overcome - she's not seen as evil per se, just doing her job keeping us in the dark.

In Judaism (old testament) Satan is "the accuser".
In Islam, Satan is called Iblis and refused to bow before Adam at the beginning of humanity. And he's not an angel at all. In Islam angels do not have free will - but a Jinn (genie) who like a human has free will.

If the ego is delusion, that separates us from the divine, tempt us with desire, delude us, refuse to bow to us, and seems to have free will - then sure Satan = Ego.

Hope this explanation helps, and I don't have to be right. :wink:

Dan ~ :wub:

Astar Of David
9th June 2010, 08:53
"If the ego is the separation between us and the divine, then the "fall" would be divinity coming into the dense matter and separating from the oneness it had in the unmanifest. Satan (adversary) is related to density - and bodily desire, greed, hate, and gluttony."
If you can say no to sex or food and you know how to share then I see no reason why serving the body is wrong?
Our flesh the temples are.
Or our body is our vehicle or the means in which we get around. It has it's own needs and reasons.
The point is we are men of mortal flesh. What is the point of fighting this? To become something you are not?
The point of the body is to live life and spread love and enjoy the experiences of the body while your alive.Your given life and a body not to deny what and who you are simply because someone else told you it's wrong, is it truly wrong or not? What is the logic or reasons it is wrong? If you can't see a logical reason why then it's more than likely an opinion or a rule for control.
If there is birth control and condoms then what is the worry about sex before marriage?
Is the worry your own ideas or does it stem from someone's old outdated opinions?
And what about the Kama Sutra? You going to tell me that is the devils work too? I see sex as part of God's creation it is what keeps us alive it is a tool to express love. I see no sex before marriage then as a method of control.
Again if you do not currently experience love my ideas may not seem sound to you.

And for me to explain the Ego/Devil/anti-Christ/Anakim any further I must confess who I am and that brings a whole new story with it.

greybeard
9th June 2010, 11:19
Everything is as it is. We can get too serious.

"Sex after marriage would be a good thing." LOL.

It comes down to respect, integrity and honesty.

All depends on the context.
If two people are single and up for it having taken precautions etc. That is their buisness.
Sex out with marriage tends to lead to grief.

The rules of the church were fonded in a different era so different context.

Chris

RedeZra
9th June 2010, 11:22
The point of the body is to live life and spread love and enjoy the experiences of the body while your alive.

If there is birth control and condoms then what is the worry about sex before marriage?

And what about the Kama Sutra? You going to tell me that is the devils work too?

I see sex as part of God's creation it is what keeps us alive it is a tool to express love. I see no sex before marriage then as a method of control.



there are as many points of view about life as there are humans expressing them

for a society to function in a somewhat harmonic manner

some common ground must be found and regulated with rules


sex before marriage has become a habit

with abortion jealousy promiscuity diseases in its wake

as a general practice it is a source of conflicts - maybe not for you at this time


so instead of making exceptions to the rule

Heaven has ordained marriage as a sacred bond to enjoy the pleasures of sex

and maybe raise a family in a safe secure setting

perhaps an utopia but it was worth the try

rosie
9th June 2010, 19:25
http://i48.tinypic.com/3585hg4.jpg

astar of david,
This picture says it all for me. We are all one, devil, gods, lovers, haters etc. But, we are all welcomed back to the creator. Our purpose here is to live and experience. This includes the bad with the good. We all need a little devil in us, this is where we learn valuable lessons of the heart.

As we gain wisdom with age, it gets a little more easier to see the final outcome of our lives meanings.

in love & light :wub:

777
10th June 2010, 10:49
Very well put Rosie!

I don't tend to see things in black and white any more just infinite shades of grey and colour in between. The voices of ego and reason are too easily archetyped into good and evil within the simplistic mind we all often possess. I find it merely amusing to sit back, listen and watch the show these warring forces indulge in. They are the embodiment of my freewill in action right before my mind's eye. Without this war there is no freewill within. The key is to watch it transpire, not listen to one more than the other.

RedeZra
10th June 2010, 14:00
Our purpose here is to live and experience. This includes the bad with the good. We all need a little devil in us, this is where we learn valuable lessons of the heart.


ay ay ay

you've let the devil in lol

nice pic by the way

Gita
10th June 2010, 14:15
Chris de Burgh will tell you how it will all end!:wink:

:angel::violin::mad2:

Spanish Train Subtitled
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stardustaquarion
10th June 2010, 14:23
:eek: so when is the next chapter Gita?

Gita
10th June 2010, 14:28
ah that is the question Commander. I expect very soon!:laugh:

stardustaquarion
10th June 2010, 14:34
ah that is the question Commander. I expect very soon!:laugh:

:popcorn::couch2: ok I am waiting :pound:

Celine
10th June 2010, 14:35
The devil simply doesnt yet realise who he is messing with :)

Very well said John.

This game... is getting old...

time to put away the pieces, back in their boxes, put the dice back in the black velvet bag.

The devil has forfited his turn...he knows why....and now the game is over.

The game requires more then pawns, martyrs ...the playing field is kicking the players off...

Where to now?

sigh...

rosie
10th June 2010, 14:58
ay ay ay

you've let the devil in lol

nice pic by the way

LOL, the devil has never left me, I have just tamed him and put him in his place for the time being.
;)

in love & light :love:

Astar Of David
11th June 2010, 19:51
"cÚline:" I agree "This game... is getting old..." time for a positive change!

"cÚline: Where to now?"
The next step is a gradual change of powers in control (The Powers That Be). From Negative to Positive intelligent open and understanding people who care to listen to problems.
Then a new age follows because these new people in control will understand the ways of the Earth and how to co-exist with Earth without dooming one another.

The idea of "where to now?" is always portrayed in Hollywood movies. You just have to look at the underlying concept of the movie. If you replace the setting and details you have a story that can relate to our current times. For example like : Prince of Persia "how a simple man from the streets rises to power to lead the people to freedom" and "The Sorcerers Apprentice" also shows "how a young man becomes a sorcerer/mage apprentice to help the people"
There are "Angels" or "people" working for "God" or "Truth" in Hollywood who help guide us. To make the next step known, and that much easier when it happens.
Take Care all!

kriya
11th June 2010, 20:13
"
And for me to explain the Ego/Devil/anti-Christ/Anakim any further I must confess who I am and that brings a whole new story with it.

Hi Astar Of David, I have found your posts very interesting and :welcome:

Would you mind elaborating on this statement?

Thanks,

Kriya

shiva777
11th June 2010, 20:26
this may be of assistance to some who want to get some different perspectives on things...

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/Separation.html

Astar Of David
11th June 2010, 20:27
Kriya: I am David. (And that is a very powerful and truth-full statement to revealing who I am. as well if you follow my other posts, especially the replies I make, I give many clues)

"shiva777: That URL states at the end "clean water are running out"
That statement is so far from the truth it hurts.

Please check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_water_generator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4kRjY4Qdk

As well as the portable ones that use just a screen/net seen here :
http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/26/harvest-water-from-the-air-with-fog-dew-collectors/
And you can build your own follow this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV5Z1kBbkn4
(Would be nice to use a few of these in the garden to gently water every night)

They sell a Water cooler that makes water from moisture in the air here is an example of a product:
http://www.ecoloblue.com/ecoloblue28

This company actually sells a Solar Panel Kit for this as well so that the device make water anywhere free. I e-mailed the company and said they should place these water stations around 3rd world countries with poor drinking water. And they responded that they were in the works of just that!

shadowstalker
26th October 2010, 19:17
If the devil and god truly do exist then I have no trust in either one of them , you don't send in pawns to see if the enemy will kill them, you know they will get killed.
Sorry but to me it's like being on earth and having wars.
If I wanted to smite my enemies I would do it my self and not be a coward about it.
I would never trust a general that doesnt get into the action

Steven
26th October 2010, 20:37
...I would never trust a general that doesn't get into the action

Same here! That is why I think the one we call god, I call it Creation :) , is always very active in our world, much more than we think.

We have an insane tendency to see all black and white with not much of a perspective in time and space.

I am sure the one we call devil is in fact a creature just like us and as a creature have needs of some kind...

We have a beautiful future if we agree to focus on it, exclusively on it.

And please, the Ego isn't the evil part of yourself. The Ego is a tool to function in the world, in this very world. It is not evil. His thoughts, emotions and actions might be evil or not. Not the Ego itself.

Namaste, Steven

shadowstalker
27th October 2010, 06:28
And please, the Ego isn't the evil part of yourself. The Ego is a tool to function in the world, in this very world. It is not evil. His thoughts, emotions and actions might be evil or not. Not the Ego itself.

My sentiments exactly
Why people confuse that is beyond me.
Besides with out certain types of ego we can not speak our mind,(we would be mindless drones) let alone dream our dreams, or make plans for the beautiful future we are suppose to be focusing on as co-creators.

Luke
27th October 2010, 07:41
And please, the Ego isn't the evil part of yourself. The Ego is a tool to function in the world, in this very world. It is not evil. His thoughts, emotions and actions might be evil or not. Not the Ego itself.

My sentiments exactly
Why people confuse that is beyond me.
Besides with out certain types of ego we can not speak our mind,(we would be mindless drones) let alone dream our dreams, or make plans for the beautiful future we are suppose to be focusing on as co-creators.
One Wise man wrote that we try to be "governors of the nation of me" ..
Ego fits that role. It tries to govern. Will it become paranoid dictator, a king ordering sea to stop or a just elder, it's up to you, really.

As any tool it's only as good as one wielding it.

Sadly , some even got overwhelmed by mere machine.