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Star1111
8th September 2011, 09:47
A few questions for my Dear Avalonians

I have just witnessed a scenario whereby in order for a colleague to climb the ladder in the organisation she has been deceitful, sly and been incredibly duplicitous! She has hurt and disappointed a close colleague and when confronted, and I guess EXPOSED, she became quite aggressive and supercilious.

I have worked in the 'corporate world' (I'm working so hard on getting out of it) for many years and it never ceases to amaze me how people can behave in such a terrible way.

My thoughts on why she behaved in this way (and she's done it before) can only surely be out of FEAR or GREED (or both).

Sometimes I despair and I'm so trying to send them LOVE and guide them but with some people its hard to do!

My questions are :

Will they ever achieve enlightenment in this incarnation and if NOT....... what do you think happens to them when they die/transend.

Is there redemption, do they have to deal with that bad karma or do they come back again and again until they 'get it right' ?
Is there 'training' for the soul, teaching or guidance so that the soul understands what needs to be 'put right'??

I have my own thoughts on this but I wanted to know what other people felt and thought about it.

PEACE & LOVE to you all

Lord Sidious
8th September 2011, 10:06
There are only two motivations for all behaviour in the species we call man.
Fear of loss and potential gain.
I would put this one down to the latter.
Greed is a very powerful motivator.

Violet
8th September 2011, 11:09
A few questions for my Dear Avalonians

I have just witnessed a scenario whereby in order for a colleague to climb the ladder in the organisation she has been deceitful, sly and been incredibly duplicitous! She has hurt and disappointed a close colleague and when confronted, and I guess EXPOSED, she became quite aggressive and supercilious.

I have worked in the 'corporate world' (I'm working so hard on getting out of it) for many years and it never ceases to amaze me how people can behave in such a terrible way.

My thoughts on why she behaved in this way (and she's done it before) can only surely be out of FEAR or GREED (or both).

Sometimes I despair and I'm so trying to send them LOVE and guide them but with some people its hard to do!

My questions are :

Will they ever achieve enlightenment in this incarnation and if NOT....... what do you think happens to them when they die/transend.

Is there redemption, do they have to deal with that bad karma or do they come back again and again until they 'get it right' ?
Is there 'training' for the soul, teaching or guidance so that the soul understands what needs to be 'put right'??

I have my own thoughts on this but I wanted to know what other people felt and thought about it.

PEACE & LOVE to you all

If they don't achieve enlightenment here, I believe that in death they will be faced with their bad karma whatever the outcome of that event may be.

KosmicKat
8th September 2011, 11:42
I wish I had a meaningful answer to offer. According to the Bible (I've been following the "Abrahamic God" thread) this life is the only chance we get to get it right: make the right choice and you'll know everything that matters after you're resurrected, make the wrong choice and you'll never cease to regret it. And according to the Urantia Book (still working my way through this immense tome) unless you very definitely and deliberately choose permanent dissolution, you'll go through life after life in a post-mortal form continuing to develop your spirituality in a quest for God.

As much as I want to believe the Bible, I feel like Bob Hope - "I'm believing all of them. I'd hate to blow eternity on a technicality!"

Limor Wolf
8th September 2011, 12:28
The truth of the matter is,that we dont know what is going to be,either with us or with others.we have been there.This is all I can think of in this regard,in one form or another,we were not 'born' into worlds with an enlightened soul ,but we carve our way to the 'top',or if to use a less linear term,to our 'full cosmic potential'.

greed,competitiveness,seperation are all symptoms of the 'secondery school' of the soul,from there there is 'high school',university,post graduate,professorship..

We all started at scratch and we we all cross the finish line however much time it will take.I believe this current cycle provide an acceleration in development,it opens a window of opportunities,but since what characterizes a 'cycle' is that it will always get to the a same point in time that mean that the opportunities will rise again.

or so they say..

p.s

There might not be a 'finish line',because learning in this vast creation is infinite

WhiteFeather
8th September 2011, 12:42
I believe a soul incarnates here to learn all the 3D life lessons. When a person leaves this plane through death it judges itself, it does not go before a God (if you will) it goes before itself and is judged by itself. If it doesn't learn its life lessons in the school of Planet Earth (of hardknocks) it will incarnate back again if it chooses to, till it learns its life lesson on The Academy and 3D Plane Of Planet Earth. Remember, We do sign a contract to incarnate on this planet. And Energy cannot be created nor destroyed Hope this helps! ~W.f.~

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Consequence of this law is that energy cannot be created or destroyed. The only thing that can happen with energy in an isolated system is that it can change form, for instance kinetic energy can become thermal energy. Because energy is associated with mass in the Einstein's theory of relativity, the conservation of energy also implies the conservation of mass in isolated systems (that is, the mass of a system cannot change, so long as energy is not permitted to enter or leave the system.

mahalall
8th September 2011, 13:10
The serpents grip appears strong in your colleague. Only they can free themselves.

Good on you for trying to guide. Smile on

Limor Wolf
8th September 2011, 13:13
Originally posted by Whitefeather: " I believe a soul incarnates here to learn all the 3D life lessons. When a person leaves this plane through death it judges itself, it does not go before a God (if you will) it goes before itself and is judged by itself"

We might deviate here from the Op intention by far :) oops!

But I think it is important to keep in mind that our (earth,3D) system of incarnetion is an organized contruct and not necessarily by the divine,it does not exist on all planets and in all other way of life or dimensions.I keep pondering about it,from every angle... imho,There are some positives about what we call '3D incarnation',and there are some less positive aspects to it..one of the most disastrous points is the Amnesia that we are compelled to have when entering back to earth.personally,I would like it to be erased,also the 'white light',tunnel',angels assisting.. it is all part of the concealment to think that we are going somewhere.

Oh! the Illusion...

Marsila
8th September 2011, 13:30
I don't know star1111 people's karma will catch up with them sooner or later.

I work in a sort of similar place, and i arrived later, but it honestly seems everyone has some 'payback' with someone else. what will they gain i dont' know. they go stab people in the back etc, reach the top sit on the top make money...and then what? as you said when they go home where is the point of it, as these negative feelings sometimes loudly sometimes quietly eat on the inside of the person.

I don't think that we are incarnations, as there is a lot of self-victimization in that thought, and that isn't right. on the other hand i do believe some souls stay here rather than move on to redeem themselves or until they feel some wrongs were righted (spirit guides, ghosts, etc)

Star1111
8th September 2011, 13:36
The serpents grip appears strong in your colleague. Only they can free themselves.

Good on you for trying to guide. Smile on



Thank you Mahalall - I continue to smile on as I know I'm not like her..................... it is not important and she will have to deal with her serpent!

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Limor

I do so hope there IS a finishing line................. I'm too tired to this all over again and again and again and ..................... :)

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Thank you White Feather - it does help.

My feeling is that we come back again and again until we get it right and when we go home we have to view all the bad things we've done and said (sort of like on a video screen) We are then guided by our spirit guide to learn from the bad things we did, agree to reincarnate and try again to get it right.

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I agree with you Violet.

WhiteFeather
8th September 2011, 13:41
Originally posted by Whitefeather: " I believe a soul incarnates here to learn all the 3D life lessons. When a person leaves this plane through death it judges itself, it does not go before a God (if you will) it goes before itself and is judged by itself"

We might deviate here from the Op intention by far :) oops!

But I think it is important to keep in mind that our (earth,3D) system of incarnetion is an organized contruct and not necessarily by the divine,it does not exist on all planets and in all other way of life or dimensions.I keep pondering about it,from every angle... imho,There are some positives about what we call '3D incarnation',and there are some less positive aspects to it..one of the most disastrous points is the Amnesia that we are compelled to have when entering back to earth.personally,I would like it to be erased,also the 'white light',tunnel',angels assisting.. it is all part of the concealment to think that we are going somewhere.

Oh! the Illusion...

Q. OP: Will they ever achieve enlightenment in this incarnation and if NOT....... what do you think happens to them when they die/transend.

Is there redemption, do they have to deal with that bad karma or do they come back again and again until they 'get it right' ?
Is there 'training' for the soul, teaching or guidance so that the soul understands what needs to be 'put right'??

A. Whitefeather, My Perspective: I believe a soul incarnates here to learn all the 3D life lessons. When a person leaves this plane through death it judges itself, it does not go before a God (if you will) it goes before itself and is judged by itself. If it doesn't learn its life lessons in the school of Planet Earth (of hardknocks) it will incarnate back again if it chooses to, till it learns its life lesson on The Academy and 3D Plane Of Planet Earth. Remember, We do sign a contract to incarnate on this planet. And Energy cannot be created nor destroyed Hope this helps! ~W.f.~


No Deviation from the OP's Thread Here,Limor I'm Sure of it. Ooooops!

Ian Gordon
8th September 2011, 13:53
We cant judge the film (of life) until the final credits. Star1111 no mater how unpaletable your colleagues action we do not know what her life lessons are in this journey, the actions now may well lead to consequences later which will aid her enlightenment, life lesson etc, that is the fun of this School of Planet Earth as white feather puts it.
To judge or question is a difficult stance and caan waste a lot of energy, as I am sure the colleague that was hurt and yourself would not act in the way she did, this experience could have been useful to others who have either observed or been involved and perhaps a step in their life lesson, her contract to return to School of Planet Earth could have been as an horrible person so that others may learn ......perhaps not, we dont just know, how many lessons would be learnt if everyone was an enlightened master, lessons need teachers pupils and topics.
Whitefeather I totally agree

Star1111
8th September 2011, 13:58
.....To judge or question is a difficult stance and caan waste a lot of energy, .....



Ian - thank you and I agree with you, this is her journey and only her journey, although by her actions I'm sure others have learned by it.
I agree that it is not a good thing to judge, but to question; I think it is essential for our lessons here in the School of Planet Earth to question.

Ian Gordon
8th September 2011, 14:16
Star 1111, I agree the use of the word Question didnt make my intention clear, to question to seek an answer and to learn cannot be wrong (especially as we have avalon and like minds...luckily!), but to question in the vein of why why why oh why and seek understanding when none is available can be energetically draining and lead to negativity, perhaps even negative emotions such as anger , why did she do it?, will she do it again?, will she do it to me ?
So I also agree with you, and hope my lack of clarity caused no offence
love and light

Carmody
8th September 2011, 14:37
my second last life, I was a soldier. A dang good one. I was a very efficient killer, doing my job.

My last life, I lived about 40 years on an alien planet, where I was born a slave. A slave in knowing. I spent my life trying to get those beings, of my kind, to look to the heavens, to understand, to look, to think.

I was basically beaten and hammered for it, each and every day. I was isolated from the rest of the serf class, due to my influence. Which was an unheard of move, in that society and world. It was a dark world, filled with doom and no future. A dying world. I died broken and bitter, trying..unto my last breath. A life I took in a form of self lessons and repentance for the prior one. A prior one of being a good soldier, with good intent, with a good life and a good family, all while feeling I was doing the right thing at all times. I even had slaves, which I freed and gave my own land to when the US civil war was over.

However, I had to take the second one if I wanted to learn perspective. Proper perspective.

Some who do evil here at this time, they were given a chance to correct themselves. Some will fail. The rest of us will learn from our suppression and damage to ourselves, done through and by them, done by those who may never learn.

Such evil energy as is generated under such circumstances cannot be and will not be allowed to exist.

But that is for the evil to learn on their own.

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In a place where all is pure energy and self will and governance is the key point of life itself, well, what kind of lessons would you need to learn, to be, to launch and be the self from, in order to be a workable and stable 'self'?

Think about it.

You come here, you have a vehicle that is self willed and has internal systems of operation and stability....and then you try to drive the thing. To try and wake and build a series of knowing and lessons of the self.

An avatar (semi-autonamous/semiconscious) based existence/driving school.

Rubber Baby Buggy Bumpers.

Star1111
8th September 2011, 14:39
Certainly no offence taken Ian.

You are quite right of course re question as in why why why oh why................. I used to spend a lot of time on wondering why some people do what they do, now I try with all my heart to learn from it and let it go! Not easy, but I'm aware of it and that helps.

Someoneson1
9th September 2011, 12:40
Hello and good morning. Thank you for posting this inspiring topic.

A few years ago I went to a professional hypno-therapist as I was trying to clear energy from my past. I was not intrested in reincarnation as I didn't think it had much bearing on my current life, that the past life errors would manifest in my current incarnation either way.

After 4 or 5 visits my therapist asked me if I would be intrested in trying a new technique she was just learning about where instead of going back to another life we would go back to the end of my last incarnation and through the rebirth or after life process. I was intrested as I had never considered this and was intrested in where we went after death. So a week later I came prepared for a two hour session.

After ten minutes of relaxation she took me down the tunnel to a door and suggested that when I went through I would be at my last breath. When I went through I found myself floating way up in the sky above the clouds. When asked if I could go back down the my last body I said "no! I am not going back down to the murk". Q- "what are you doing" A- "I am sitting her on a mountain top. I am angry" At which point she rose up and said "there will be no anger here" and I sighed and said "I am angry because I just realized the mistakes and missed opportunities of my life I am in morning. At any time I can call out and they will come for me." After a few more attempts to get me to do her bidding I called out and two beings of light came for me and we went up to .... The only way I could describe it .... Like being in the center of the universe.

I was in a room made of light that flittered in and out. A being of light was on either side of me. When asked if I could ask my spirit guides for answers. I sighed and stated that these were no more my spirit guides than I was theirs as I had done this for them as many times as they for me. When I looked into there faces it was as if a thousand faces slid across there faces in potential. I told her I was morning and that it would take as long as it took as time was not measured here as it is incarnate. After clearing my guilt (a result of being in the energy of love) I went to a hall made of the same light the walls were made of and marked my life experience. There was no judgment as I cleared it or judged myself in said room.

After a bit I found myself in the same type of room with walls made of thought and was looking down through a hole where I could see my current parents. She asked me at this point if I could go back to another life and gleen some info that would help me in this life. I sighed as if it were a chore but turned and went down "the tunnel" through 11 rings (each ring represented a life and as I went through each one I got a jolt of memorie and at 11 I came back to her voice in my mind and was laughing hysterically. She asked why and I said "I was a buddist monk in that one and boy did I have fun"

Sorry I'm using an iPhone to type. I hope this is as usefull to you as it was for me.

Star1111
9th September 2011, 12:44
Interesting Someoneson1 - what a journey you had!

ktlight
9th September 2011, 13:02
Human beings, each one, right through the world, go through great agonies, the more sensitive, the more alert, the more observant, the greater the suffering, the anxiety, the extraordinary sense of insoluble problems.

If we can really understand the problem, the answer will come out of it, because the answer is not separate from the problem.
J Krishnamurti quotes.

I hope this helps, Star1111.

Star1111
9th September 2011, 14:15
Human beings, each one, right through the world, go through great agonies, the more sensitive, the more alert, the more observant, the greater the suffering, the anxiety, the extraordinary sense of insoluble problems.

If we can really understand the problem, the answer will come out of it, because the answer is not separate from the problem.
J Krishnamurti quotes.



I hope this helps, Star1111.

Thanks ktlight - too true.