Dr. Judy Wood and John Lash The quintessential talk on 911

[jorr lundstrom]

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[Moxie]

Probably THE most important issue right now!
Thank you Jorr for the boost of this topic!
I'll be back soon... it's past my bedtime.

[grannyfranny100]

Thanks for turning me on to Grok The Talk. The combination of Dr Judy Wood and John Lash was stunning and I have started listening to other first rate interviews, too.

[Paul]

Thanks for turning me on to Grok The Talk. The combination of Dr Judy Wood and John Lash was stunning and I have started listening to other first rate interviews, too.
Yes - that's an excellent discussion between those two.

Grok The Talk's website seems to be here: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/grok-the-talk

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Jorr Lundrem....Moxie put this vid on the 8th oct so some have all ready seen it but not enough imho, great interlink between John Lash and Juddy Wood this is my reply on That thread...



Hi moxie good thread I came across Judy Wood via a John Lear interview a few years ago, and Johns been saying the star wars weapons platforms have been orbiting since the 80/90's.
now going from there Judy Woods theory makes perfect sence. Most of the other interviews I heard with Judy, Veritas, blog radio etc. She always stipulated she would not speculate on the
on the who? and why? But keep to the scientific facts as she knew them. In this interview maybe because of John Lash's presence she joined in more with the speculation which I found interesting.

I think they were a little hard on Richard Gage who I think is genuine. Richards theory is plausible for the public to get there head around, and at least they have put it into millions of peoples reality, that things are not what they seem and 16 muslim terrorists with box cutters and minimal flight training is very implausible....Now most people in the alternate community could easily switch, to more exotic weaponry. If we believe in ET's , Space fleet, there is no problem imho.

Richard Gage also tries not to speculate on the who? and the why? all he knew is as an architect, the collapse of Towers & building 7 did not feel right, and if you follow his logic
their theory is perfectly sound.He is aware of Judy and her work ,but is not ready to go there, because the press would have a field day ridiculing him as 'Star Trek' dreamer etc.
As I said for me exotic weapons theory makes much more sence , as Judy says alot of truthers are debunking her, but thats because everywhere is infiltrated by service to selfe people,
as she said people in the petrol chemical buisiness, do not want free energy exposed.

The PTB are monitoring all this and are one step ahead of all of us. As they said Judges are scared of this subject so are presumably the FBI. The immiediate perportrators are Chainey
and the gang and as John Lash says the people controlling them, may have increased the magnitude of the attack...We would call them TPTB, that mysterious group, that we use
for most things, who we know must exist , but we are not 100% sure who they are, Rothchild Bankers, anciant Annunaki Bloodlines, ET's , A powerful cabel ?????

Judy an John make a lot of sense and I think they are probably right, but how you get this out into the general public without ridicule without more evidence or a major disclosure.
is a big headache for me. Thats why I would not 'slag off' Richards Gages effort for at least this is keeping it in the public eye. Steven Jones and the scientists may have more to answer
for their hostility towards Judy Wood. I feel the majority of us know all this adds up to divide and conquer by TPTB, so we must keep the pressure up as best we can by discussing it with who ever

[jorr lundstrom]

Thanks for turning me on to Grok The Talk. The combination of Dr Judy Wood and John Lash was stunning and I have started listening to other first rate interviews, too.

Yeah, there are a lot of mindblowing interviews on Grok the Talk.
Thomas Malone and John Lash are planning more revieling sessions. LOL

[jorr lundstrom]

Kicking some stones. I came across these:

http://www.truthwinds.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/911_attack/news.php?q=1252943675

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/12/21/p21997

http://800pg.co.cc/geeklog/staticpages/index.php?page=911

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Thanks Jorr Lundrem....Moxie put this vid on the 8th oct so some have all ready seen it but not enough imho, great interlink between John Lash and Juddy Wood this is my reply on That thread...



Hi moxie good thread I came across Judy Wood via a John Lear interview a few years ago, and Johns been saying the star wars weapons platforms have been orbiting since the 80/90's.
now going from there Judy Woods theory makes perfect sence. Most of the other interviews I heard with Judy, Veritas, blog radio etc. She always stipulated she would not speculate on the
on the who? and why? But keep to the scientific facts as she knew them. In this interview maybe because of John Lash's presence she joined in more with the speculation which I found interesting.

I think they were a little hard on Richard Gage who I think is genuine. Richards theory is plausible for the public to get there head around, and at least they have put it into millions of peoples reality, that things are not what they seem and 16 muslim terrorists with box cutters and minimal flight training is very implosible....Now most people in the alternate community could easily switch, to more exotic weaponry. If we believe in ET's , Space fleet, there is no problem imho.

Richard Gage also tries not to speculate on the who? and the why? all he knew is as an architect, the collapse of Towers & building 7 did not feel right, and if you follow his logic
their theory is perfectly sound.He is aware of Judy and her work ,but is not ready to go there, because the press would have a field day ridiculing him as 'Star Trek' dreamer etc.
As I said for me exotic weapons theory makes much more sence , as Judy says alot of truthers are debunking her, but thats because everywhere is infiltrated by service to selfe people,
as she said people in the petrol chemical buisiness, do not want free energy exposed.

The PTB are monitoring all this and are one step ahead of all of us. As they said Judges are scared of this subject so are presumably the FBI. The immiediate perportrators are Chainey
and the gang and as John Lash says the people controlling them, may have increased the magnitude of the attack...We would call them TPTB, that mysterious group, that we use
for most things, who we know must exist , but we are not 100% sure who they are, Rothchild Bankers, anciant Annunaki Bloodlines, ET's , A powerful cabel ?????

Judy an John make a lot of sense and I think they are probably right, but how you get this out into the general public without ridicule without more evidence or a major disclosure.
is a big headache for me. Thats why I would not 'slag off' Richards Gages effort for at least this is keeping it in the public eye. Steven Jones and the scientists may have more to answer
for their hostility towards Judy Wood. I feel the majority of us know all this adds up to divide and conquer by TPTB, so we must keep the pressure up as best we can by discussing it with who ever

Slagging of those that dont agree with her is something she has done in the past too. Besides which her hypothesis is not just weak; it is not supported by the evidence at all.

[kouby]

This is pure disinfo, just look how she attacks everyone in he truth movement. It's as obvious as it ever will be, don't get suckered into believing this crap.

[jorr lundstrom]

EYES WIDE OPEN wrote:

Slagging of those that dont agree with her is something she has done in the past too.
Besides which her hypothesis is not just weak; it is not supported by the evidence at all.


Wot evidence? Ive lost tracks on wots concidered evidence those days.

kouby wrote:

This is pure disinfo, just look how she attacks everyone in he truth movement.
It's as obvious as it ever will be, don't get suckered into believing this crap.

Do we all agree on that the so called "Truth movement" has got a
monopoly of wots true. How come? Is it just by calling itself the truth
movement or.........................? I just wonder as I really dont know.

[Paul]

Besides which her hypothesis is not just weak; it is not supported by the evidence at all.
There must be two Dr. Judy Wood's working on 9/11 research.

The one I know of wrote a book called "Where Did the Towers Go?", which I recently finished reading. It is the finest compendium of evidence I have ever seen regarding what happened to the buildings and surrounds of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001. It's a good read too.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I too am reading the book. Glad I didnt waste my money on it however. If you think its the "finest compendium of evidence you have ever seen regarding what happened to the buildings and surrounds of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001" then I really think you should raise your game.

These are 2 websites that use science and observation without conjecture. They are really good and helped clarify many things for me. :)

Start here: http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/
and here: http://the911forum.freeforums.org/index.php

Every single little bit of "evidence" that she presents as "proof" of energy weapons can be accounted for without resorting to unprovable invisible lasers from space. Poor science in my opinion. Very poor. I keep meaning to write a rebut of her work but keep thinking its not worth it as I see the same mistakes posted here over and over again. But maybe that is exactly the reason I SHOULD write a rebut. I dont know....
I dont think she is a disinfo artist, I think her heart is in the right place but her science is all wrong and she has only been a hinderance to the truth. But yes, attacking others that dont agree with her does her no credit. She should address their points or their questions instead of attacking them.

[jorr lundstrom]

The guys who made this video are most interested in who did it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrdNaxgIJcs&feature=related

[aviators]

I keep meaning to write a rebut of her work but keep thinking its not worth it as I see the same mistakes posted here over and over again. But maybe that is exactly the reason I SHOULD write a rebut. I dont know....
I dont think she is a disinfo artist, I think her heart is in the right place but her science is all wrong and she has only been a hinderance to the truth. But yes, attacking others that dont agree with her does her no credit. She should address their points or their questions instead of attacking them.


A few questions that Judy has brought to light for sure.

1 Where did 110 story's of steel go? X 2 Steel doesn't burn or liquidfy unless super heated.

2 Why did metal cars become toasted far away from ground zero.

3 Why was there very little seismic signal recorded from the buildings hitting the ground ?

4 Why didn't any of the buildings rupture the fragile bathtub and flood Manhattan?

5 Why was a powerful hurricane only a few hundred miles off the coast of N.Y.
that day and almost nothing was reported on it.

So what does the truth movement have to say about these points?

I don't know Judy. I haven't even read her book. She has raised some good questions though.

Best Regards.....

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Answers to your questions:

1. The steel in the World Trade Center buildings did not turn to dust. The concrete in the buildings turned to dust. I came to this conclusion by simply looking at a few photos:
http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployments/NYC-WTC2001/images/LER049.jpg
http://cavegrad.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a5a3096a970c0120a5bacf28970c-800wi

2. They did not. They were moved after the event. The rusting of cars was probably from the sulfur from the thermite-composition that also is the cause of rusting and microspheres in WTC debris. The unburnt paper claim can be explained as most of the paper was also covered in dust, acting as a fire retardant. There was also much BURNED paper as well. Judy ignores this.

3. According to the King Dome-demolition article from her (incredibly disorganised site)
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam2.html

The 25 000 ton roof collapsed instantly on a certain point (pressure point) ..but in the case of WTC demolitions, nothing that heavy dropped on a certain point at one instant. This is why the King Dome showed a bigger spike.
Most of the material from the WTC towers were scattered on a wide area and the pieces that fell on other buildings “took the blows” so this is why the seismic spike was smaller.
Also remember that most of the WTC concrete ( not the steel, but concrete and similar materials) was turned to dust.

4. “The bathtub is the 9-block area of the World Trade Center site that is excavated down to bedrock and hard soils and ringed by the slurry wall. The bathtub was created to enable the building of the Twin Towers' foundations”
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/foundation.html

Also, take note the Derbis from the Towers did not destroy all the WTC buildings either, so it is not that “odd” that the debris did not destroy the “bathtub” ..and as stated above the bathtub was well supported by ridged materials.

5. Because weather happens on our planet. It was not reported because perhaps there was bigger news to report on 9/11.

Now some questions for Judy wood:

1) Has Dr Judy Wood ever tested the dust from ground zero? Indeed, has she done any experiments at all?

2) Why did two towers and Building 7 fall in a completely different manner if space beams were used for both?

3) Why does Judy Wood ignore all the testimony of BOMBS going off in the Buildings?

4) Was does Judy Wood spend more time discrediting AE911 than proving her own theory?

5) Why didn't these "beams" effect wtc 3, 4, 5, 6 and just 1,2, and 7?

6) Why weren't the cars 'Dustified' as she claims happened to the steel in the towers?

[aviators]

( Eyes Wide Open) Thanks for expanding and taking the time here.

From what I noticed in most of the pictures. There was a massive amount of dust. The dust expanded a great deal and had a tendency to stay airborne and travel with the wind currents. Lots of dust for sure. The heavy steel columns should essentially fall strait down. I haven't seen a skeleton plan showing all the steel support pieces but I am assuming there is a lot of beams and supports to carry the weight of those towers. 110 story's of steel beams and supports falling strait down should leave a mighty tall pile. The debris pile doesn't seem to fit the scale of those buildings. We really need to look at what a similar type of building
would do under similar controlled demolitions. If I remember correctly,,very little damage was done to the surrounding buildings.
Just my 2 cents.

The toasted cars I don't know. Automotive finishes are pretty tough. I would expect oxidation from unprotected bare metals.
Has anyone heard that some rescue workers were complaining about their steel toe shoes and other metal equipment having
issues? Just asking. Someone I think has reported on this. Could be diss info.

The King Dome is really a poor comparison to the twin towers. Again you really need to compare a similar structure.
I would expect a lot more mass out of a 110 story collapse. How tall was the the King Dome? That structure only supported one roof.

The bathtub may go down to bedrock but the walls may not be as strong especially with some of its upper structure gone.
A small hole or crack would have the Hudson coming in. Don't think there were any reports on water leaks. Not Sure?

I live in the north east and hurricane's are tracked days and weeks before they hit.They are watched carefully because they are unpredictable. If one made it a few hundred miles off the coast the news reports would be every hour.

Again Just my 2 cents. One thing for sure. We haven't been told the full story.

Question

If bombs were used in a controlled demolition that day. How many men and hours would it take to yield those results.
Just have to ask this because it must take hundreds of man hours to prep explosives and equipment. Wouldn't this be hard to hide from some of the other building maintenance crews. It shouldn't be hard to find some witnesses.
or at least someone to make a anonymous statement.

Best Regards.....

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

( Eyes Wide Open) Thanks for expanding and taking the time here.

The King Dome is really a poor comparison to the twin towers. Again you really need to compare a similar structure.
I would expect a lot more mass out of a 110 story collapse. How tall was the the King Dome? That structure only supported one roof.


Best Regards.....

Regarding the Kingdome, I only use that as an example as that is what Judy Wood used in her argument regarding the difference in seismic spikes.Your coment that its not a similar structure is indeed correct. Therefore this means Judy should also use a similar structure when talking about seismic spikes. Using the kingdome is almost irrelevant to proving her point as it is so different from the towers. Also, remember that this is in relation to seismic spikes and not dust / steel. That was a seperate question. I will address your othjer points later.
Cheers. :)

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

( Eyes Wide Open) T
If bombs were used in a controlled demolition that day. How many men and hours would it take to yield those results.
Just have to ask this because it must take hundreds of man hours to prep explosives and equipment. Wouldn't this be hard to hide from some of the other building maintenance crews. It shouldn't be hard to find some witnesses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhZCqNZP2U

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

( Eyes Wide Open) Thanks for expanding and taking the time here.

From what I noticed in most of the pictures. There was a massive amount of dust. The dust expanded a great deal and had a tendency to stay airborne and travel with the wind currents. Lots of dust for sure. The heavy steel columns should essentially fall strait down. I haven't seen a skeleton plan showing all the steel support pieces but I am assuming there is a lot of beams and supports to carry the weight of those towers. 110 story's of steel beams and supports falling strait down should leave a mighty tall pile..

Look at any areial photo of 9/11. The steel and debris fell outside the footprint of the towers. That is why its not high. Also, there is plenty of footage of the core columns still standing at the end of the collapse until they fall at the final moments. They do not turn to dust. Its right there on various videos for all to see. :)

[gittarpikk]

Hi all.. I have just had a very good video brought to my attention.. This one is GOOD... well documented and a lot of comments at the end has a lot to do with things we have heard of, but did not fully understand.. Its DEFINITELY worth your time..

The interviewer is Theo Chalmers who ask a lot of questions of Dr Judy Wood., I'm told it is the best interview yet....but I have not sen the previous ones

The material is from a physicist point of view.

enjoy

http://drjudywood.com/towers/

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Reposted question from other thread:




Check this out, then prove to me it was explosives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1uUZX_g2I

I really don't get how people belive Judy when she has done zero experiments to test her theory.
That is what science is.
Otherwise you just believe what she says on faith alone. How is what she says with zero practical proof or experiments to back her up better than what anyone else is saying in the 9/11 movement? (many of which DO have practical experiments to back them up)?
It just seems like people have read her ideas and decided they are true without bothering to look at the counter arguments.
Its like their mind is made up and then at that point they completely shut down to any further discussion of her ideas.
Also, why on earth people keep asking me to prove she is wrong is beyond me. Its up to her to prove she is right. And she has not.
Not a single experiment.
Her heart is in the right place but she has not shown any good evidence to support her space beams ideas.

[iceni tribe]

more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .

care to explain this.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/46_wtc1spiretodustjg4.jpg

can you see 500,000 tons of debris

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/6135077960_96f8503b23.jpg

care to explain why the seismic chart gives a reading of 0.9 on the richter scale for the plane inpact and only 2.3 for a half million ton building smashing into the ground.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/pallisadeschart-1.png


notice the time on the clock , 15 minutes after the first collapse , but wait what do we see , is that fine dust being kicked up by the mans feet how could that have settled so quick.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/9-11-i.jpg


can you see the 30 floors at the top moving away from the rest of the building

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/capt-1.jpg

now where is that top piece again

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/Image28.jpg


how is it possible that 14 survived i stairwell B with half a million tons of rubble coming down on top of them.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/9-13-01LookingWestthroughtheremains.jpg

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/ThermiteFreeZone.jpg

EWO it is my humble opinion that you can look for evidence for thermite bringing down the towers until the cows come home , Steven Jones ( 1989 cold fushion debunker ) and Richard Gage are controlled .

fancy researching your hero's then be my guest


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhMPlJ9C__Q

[Cidersomerset]

Great post iceni Tribe.....The interview is very good and exposes the murky world of everything about 9/11
the two scientists who were murdered and everything else stinks to high heaven and as Andrew said it
looks like the truth movement has been manipulated from day 0ne, and why would it have not been ?
as any intelligence agencies would have spies in any organisation.....The crop circles makers
spring to mind in another of Richard Halls brilliant investigative documentry on British intelligence funding
John Lundberg of circlemakers.....I'm going to post this interview on the Judy Wood thread I put up as
it fits in well......Steve.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .

care to explain this.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/46_wtc1spiretodustjg4.jpg

can you see 500,000 tons of debris

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/6135077960_96f8503b23.jpg

care to explain why the seismic chart gives a reading of 0.9 on the richter scale for the plane inpact and only 2.3 for a half million ton building smashing into the ground.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/pallisadeschart-1.png


notice the time on the clock , 15 minutes after the first collapse , but wait what do we see , is that fine dust being kicked up by the mans feet how could that have settled so quick.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/9-11-i.jpg


can you see the 30 floors at the top moving away from the rest of the building

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/capt-1.jpg

now where is that top piece again

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/Image28.jpg


how is it possible that 14 survived i stairwell B with half a million tons of rubble coming down on top of them.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/9-13-01LookingWestthroughtheremains.jpg

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/ThermiteFreeZone.jpg

EWO it is my humble opinion that you can look for evidence for thermite bringing down the towers until the cows come home , Steven Jones ( 1989 cold fushion debunker ) and Richard Gage are controlled .

fancy researching your hero's then be my guest


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhMPlJ9C__Q

As its my birthday today, Im not going to spend ages answering all that now. But I will in the next few days. What I will say now is Richard Hall was wrong about his "orb footage": watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymf30rN4Mxo

Oh and that series of photos of the core column is just dust falling off the columns. Its not the columns turning to dust. I will answer the rest tomorrow.

[Delight]

I have followed Dr. Judy Wood's work for a couple of years. She is an expert concerning the behavior of materials under varying conditions. As a material's scientist, she used the research tool of examining evidence in pictures and videos and comparing the behavior evidenced in the pictorial evidence with known "behavior" of materials.

She noticed that the behavior of the material did not conform to the given story. For instance, the towers disintegrated from the top. The towers rise up into dust. This is shown here:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/09/article-2035503-0DCA0F4000000578-48_964x712.jpg

On and on the evidence piles up that the story does not match the evidence.

What I learned most of all from Dr. Judy Wood is that though I doubted the "reasons" given for the event at the time, I used a story given and it shaped what I was seeing laid out in plain view. I saw what I was told to see. Spooky Spooky that I only saw what I was told to see.

John Hutchinson is a source she used to observe materials when energy technology is applied. One can compare the behavior of materials there to the towers.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

One of the other things that amazed me from Dr. Judy Wood's contribution is although a major hurricane Erin, was headed straight for NYC, it was not considered news worthy. And on 9/11 it suddenly changed course.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin1.html

http://911digitalarchive.org/REPOSITORY/IMAGES/PHOTOS/1867.pjpeg

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/prelims/2001erin1.gif

Spooky, Spooky how even in the glaring light of information, people seem to prefer either being right over the opportunity to be more accurate, OR seem to promote and at least continue the lies for some other reason. Why are these voices not just booed out of town? Because they can pull in an expert witness too.

Spooky, Spooky how the arguments about "suspected" modalities divide the truth movement.

I am not a materials expert though. I will agree that I have a chance of being inaccurate myself. But at least I will never forget to doubt what I hear and look and see instead.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Judy may as well have said "I can fly. Not going to prove it with experiments. You just have to trust me." Please ask more of yourselves and be more discerning when you choose what to believe.


You say Hurricane Erin is suspicious and should be looked into. It already has been.

If you think a hurricane in the hurricane hotspot known as the North Atlantic is suspicious then I really dont know what to say, apart from that Erin was one of many hurricanes and tropical storms on and around 9/11.

Here they are -

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6082/othersy.jpg

Pick any year from this link and see how many hurricanes are prevolent every single year in the hotspot known as the North Atlantic...

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/index.html



Also the fact that Erin had lost speed and was reported to have done so is a fact before 9/11. Here's an article...

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5268/erinnn.jpg

You use this still shot sequence to prove the spire turned to dust.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image42.jpg

But notice how the top of the silo doesn't match up in terms of positioning.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5307/snapshot26.png

Lining two of the stills of the silo up with each other gives us an interesting new take on this matter...

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6397/fellh.jpg



http://img715.imageshack.us/i/fellh.jpg/

The spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it from the collapse. No mystery there.

from another angle:



http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2441/fall2.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8075/fall30.jpg


Spot the tiny man in this picture standing on the debris that Judy says does not exist.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/6140/ler050.jpg


I mean, I could go on but life is short....

The fact is that every single bit of Judy's theories can be explained without the need for invisible space rays.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

more Judy bashing EWO, youve been at her for two years now .






Reposted question from other thread:

[QUOTE=Phoenix;441553]

Check this out, then prove to me it was explosives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1uUZX_g2I

I really don't get how people belive Judy when she has done zero experiments to test her theory.
That is what science is.
Otherwise you just believe what she says on faith alone. How is what she says with zero practical proof or experiments to back her up better than what anyone else is saying in the 9/11 movement? (many of which DO have practical experiments to back them up)?
It just seems like people have read her ideas and decided they are true without bothering to look at the counter arguments.
Its like their mind is made up and then at that point they completely shut down to any further discussion of her ideas.
Also, why on earth people keep asking me to prove she is wrong is beyond me. Its up to her to prove she is right. And she has not.
Not a single experiment.
Her heart is in the right place but she has not shown any good evidence to support her space beams ideas.

How is any of what I wrote above "Judy bashing" as you call it iceni?
Where do I call her a name?
I don't.
I ask a few very simple questions and apparently that is "Judy bashing" ?
You are of course welcome to believe anything you like but to accuse me of attacking Judy when I have just asked a few simple questions is unfair.
Are her ideas so weak that any questioning of them must be answered with such a defensive attitude rather than plain honesty?

What do you think to the answers I gave regarding your questions of the spire collapse and hurricane and debris? Do you think they are good or bad answers?

[Arrowwind]

The 9/11 Truth Movement has no account for 1400 toasted cars... that is a huge story they dont make a peep about

I do not see why thermite could not have been used.
Could not the buidling been wired for demolition and at the same time had an energy weapon hit it?
After all, how many times have they been able to practice on a building like this with an energy weapon?
Perhaps they decided to cover all their bases.

9/11 Truthers and Judy Wood would do better to team up for the Truthers can account for much
the Dr Woods does not discuss at all.

[iceni tribe]

You use this still shot sequence to prove the spire turned to dust.

http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image42.jpg

But notice how the top of the silo doesn't match up in terms of positioning.

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/5307/snapshot26.png

Lining two of the stills of the silo up with each other gives us an interesting new take on this matter...

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6397/fellh.jpg



http://img715.imageshack.us/i/fellh.jpg/

The spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it from the collapse. No mystery there.


the spire falls displacing the dust that settled on it .........c'mon really !!!

i see the initial sharp image of the core column falling from right to left disappearing before my eyes.

try this one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4

this image of yours looks mighty impressive.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/ler050.jpg

i would be interested to know which building rubble we are actually looking at and where the photo was taken and was it taken by this man.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/JM20with20camera20color.jpg


JOEL MEYEROWITZ

" the only photographer allowed unrestricted access to ground zero immediately following the attack":


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Meyerowitz

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/NO_PHOTOGRAPHY_ALLOWED.jpg

or was it from Oliver Stone's "Rubblefield" in LA

listen at 1 min 30 secs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1hmntCeLoY

just exploring all possibilities , posting images of rubble without a definitive reference point is not helpful IMHO.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

from the other thread.


I note that my explanations for Judys evidence have been mostly ignored. Fingers in ears.



Look at this video. It clearly shows the spire falling straight down.
You can track the top of it. IT DOES NOT TURN TO DUST. IT FALLS STRAIGHT DOWN. or will you not believe your own eyes. watch it a few times.
From the 1 min mark:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWBBEtA5bI&feature=related


This one is even clearer:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0QQN8VlwUE

WATCH IT FALL. FROM ABOUT 2:45. THE SPIRE IS SOLD ALL THE WAY DOWN. YOU CAN EVEN SEE THE DUST FALL OFF IT. THIS DUST FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE IS WHAT CONFUSED JUDY. THIS FOOTAGE PROVES SHE IS WRONG. COMPLEATLY WRONG.

DUST IS DISPLACED. Are people seriously sugessting that no dust landed on the spire and the rest of New York was covered in dust?! That is what you have to believe if you think that no dust landed on the spire and think the spire simply vanished due to space lazers or DEW.

Here is a challenge. Present what you consider the top 3 best bits of evidence form Judy wood. I will try and explain them using logic. What do you think guys?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

As you seem to be suggesting that the rubble pile photo I posted is somehow staged, here is another: (note the HCV diggers at the bottom for scale)

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/img/smoke-coming-from-WTC-rubble-airplane-view-1.JPG

I can find many more photos that prove the size and hight of the debris field if you want. :)

[wavydome]

Eyes Wide Open,
Who will settle the matter, of that pesky dust?
How long did it take dust to settle on the spires after what?... a thermite explosion?
Or did the spires fall before the explosion with the dust holographically expressed?
How much time elapsed between the frames of the sequence densities?

Dare to be naive. Bucky

:llama:

[iceni tribe]

As you seem to be suggesting that the rubble pile photo I posted is somehow staged, here is another: (note the HCV diggers at the bottom for scale)

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/img/smoke-coming-from-WTC-rubble-airplane-view-1.JPG

I can find many more photos that prove the size and hight of the debris field if you want. :)

yes EWO i think i would like to see your most convincing photo's maybe you can find me 110 of these per tower.

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/WTC_Floor_pan_and_truss.jpg

their covered in concrete and they weigh 434 tons apiece , shouldn't be to hard to find . right !!!!!

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/wtc-concrete-1010-lg.jpg


from this

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/1593.jpg

to this

http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx171/naf09_2010/9%2011%20and%207%207/6135077960_96f8503b23.jpg

[Paul]

yes EWO i think i would like to see your most convincing photo's maybe you can find me 110 of these per tower.

EYES WIDE OPEN will be unable to respond to your questions, iceni tribe. The forum moderation team has decided to un-subscribe EYES WIDE OPEN.

He has consistently, for a year and a half now, sought to push his view of the events of 9/11, engaging in a wide variety of Rhetorical Fallacies (http://uwc.utexas.edu/node/85), usually unresponsive to feedback, except to deny any wrong doing. Rather than being open minded and acting with apparent commitment to learning, he has shown himself to be close minded and energetically intrusive into others efforts to learn what really happened on the day of 9/11/2001.

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The cover-up continues, and sharing insights into that day is one of the ways that many people have begun their awakening process.

I personally, and the moderators as a team, choose not to provide the use of this forum to someone who has for so long, and with such consistency, acted to hinder that learning by others.

This is not about his views on this or whether members of the mod team agree or disagree. It is about how one conducts oneself on this forum, whether one's actions on this forum are conducive to healthy debate and support of oneself and others making their way along the path to further awakening and cooperation.

[Arrowwind]

So please! What do the 9/11 truthers have to say about the 1200 toasted cars with missing engines and door handles with trunks popped open? some as far as 3/4 a mile away? Have they no account for this? so far I haven't seen one.

[wavydome]

AW... That vid with AE911 seems to answer it best: Richard Gage of AE911 would not accept questions outside his organization's subject area. He is a big architect and founder of AE911, methinks. He basically invoked the unwritten rule: it is honorable not to communicate. If one so desires. In this case cars are not architecture, case closed. Or get your own case, not his case number.