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ulli
13th October 2011, 12:46
A retired banker describes simply, the world's Money Scam and the reason every country is now going bankrupt. Private banks have stolen the money creation process, and whereas once our money was created by the governments, debt-free, it is now created out of thin air and issued as debt with interest charges. In today's banker controlled world, money = debt, debt = slavery and therefore, money = slavery -- our monetary systems have become systems of enslavement.
Money is created out of nothing, issued as debt, not enough money is created for the future interest payments and inflation steals our savings.
The money creation process should be taken away from the banks and given to the governments who can create money debt-free, interest-free. This is how it used to be done and we needed no income taxes. Finally, it is explained what we should do to stop supporting the money scam.
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/economic-collapse/the-greatest-scam-on-earth-.html
Cidersomerset
13th October 2011, 14:06
Thanks Ulli this is one thing everyone should know !!!...It should be taught in all schools imho..Steve
conk
13th October 2011, 19:04
When country borrows money the lender never checks on the ability of the borrower to pay back the principle. No, the lender looks at the borrowers ability to RESTRUCTURE the loan when it comes due. So, the scammers never intend to pay back the loan, simply to refinance over and over and over and over.........until they hit infinity (just kidding, but close), then it all collapses. Sadly, we seem to be at the collapse part of the show. And yes, the lenders understand the game too.
Lost Soul
13th October 2011, 20:42
This scam is known by many of the protesters of Occupy Wall Street. We've a thread here on David Wilcox and the end of The Powers That Were.
ktlight
13th October 2011, 20:55
So, if debt is created out of air, then there is no debt. Surely!!!!!
laughs-last
13th October 2011, 21:10
thx ulli. It seems that as the balance has swung towards MNC's being the richest groups, over sovereign states then this banking game is only part of the worlds elite to buy up countries, like a mondo game of monopoly. However I feel that maybe certain governments are actually immune to economic downturns, as they have close connections with the banking elite; UK and USA ( i mean to be honest could you run up a debt like the USA and not ring alarm bells with your bank) however such countries chose to impliment unpopular austerity cuts for other agendas. In the UK all the poorer areas have been hit massively by the 20% cuts, that are said to be necessary to clear the previous governments overspending; nonsese like the bank is forclosing on the USA for its escalting debt, with London as a finace/banking powerhouse. The cuts in the UK are undermining the provison of basic services and libraries, youth centres. medical centres are closing, the volunteer sector, which relied on government funding is dying a death by a thousand cuts with many groups have disappeared. Why would a government actively destroy its own infrastrcucture, that took so long to build. similar patterns are occurring in australia, where I read a post today that said australia was committing suicide, why? why would advanced western states be purposely destroying their own properity over someting that, to be honest, is not real, being the money world as an illusionary reality we have all been sold? my channel is it's to break our spirit, to kick us down as we now are beginning to stand to straight for their liking and they can't have the slaves having any hope can they? Bad move, major bad move, in fact epic fail; because if they thought that they could destroy our spirit by standing on our heads they are even more outta touch with reality then we thought. However this tactic I feel on there part is an attempt to dampen down the vibrational shift; if the shift is positive, inject more negative, sounds simple enough. sure does if your operating at a limited level of consciousness and understanding, playing in their 'sandbox' blimin' bean counters. however the shift is not working on such a low level of logic, in fact its pretty hard even for us shamans and others to get a handle, and we're operating outside the (sand) box. So to the elites I say nice try, but your chocolate fireguard idea is well laughable :nono:
ONE LOVE BIG LOVE HUGZ AND MICKEY MOUSE MONEY :jester:
aranuk
13th October 2011, 21:41
Thanks Ulli this is one thing everyone should know !!!...It should be taught in all schools imho..Steve
Hi Cider, but the schools and universities are part of the system. We have to end the banking system surely first. Then maybe we can teach the children what used to happen as in a history lesson. Where to start is my big question. Any ideas?
Stan
aranuk
13th October 2011, 21:44
So, if debt is created out of air, then there is no debt. Surely!!!!!
Should it not be the airs debt?
Stan
aranuk
13th October 2011, 21:57
Our governments are making cuts, closing down youth centres etc because they are covering the banks misdeeds from the voters who voted them into their position. If we all know that this banking system is daylight robbery of the people THEN the politicians know this obvious fact. They say nothing of the truth to us and lie through their teeth all the time. They are only in politics because of one reason: looking after their own interests. They play the game. Kid us on the whole time. They are a right shower of sad lying bastards. No two words about it.
Stan
christian
13th October 2011, 22:37
the schools and universities are part of the system. We have to end the banking system surely first. Then maybe we can teach the children what used to happen as in a history lesson. Where to start is my big question. Any ideas?
An attack on all fronts undermining and abolishing the criminal system, right here right now. All changes, that are necessary go hand in hand, surely not everything can happen exactly simultaneously, but it won't be clearcut one after the other either, I guess.
seko
13th October 2011, 22:57
Money as we know it has to disappear cause it could be a corrupted system as we have seen.
We should all receive money for food and clothing. Money should not have any value, it should be as valuable as an ID(passport, drivers license) Just like a document that needs to be used for an exchange for any need. Housing should be free for everybody. Education should be free and available for every child regardless of background, colour, race, etc etc..
m_lady
13th October 2011, 23:13
This would be why there were several calls to revert to the gold standard, as gold is actually worth something... or was
ulli
13th October 2011, 23:27
I think it's time to form close-knit communities...
wherever one is living, as well as on-line.
TargeT
14th October 2011, 01:29
I think it's time to form close-knit communities...
wherever one is living, as well as on-line.
less centrilization, less dependance on "a system" that has so many vulnerabilities. we need to go to distributed resource / close tie communities, I totaly agree.
Power should be distributive, food production.. hell even clothing; we have the technology to make it so 100% employment is completely un needed; I have a few hours of conversation recorded between me and a friend exploring alternative "econonomy" set ups.. we need to move away from a scarcity based economy, hardly anything is scarce unless your a hoarder!
panopticon
14th October 2011, 02:55
I think it's time to form close-knit communities...
wherever one is living, as well as on-line.
less centrilization, less dependance on "a system" that has so many vulnerabilities. we need to go to distributed resource / close tie communities, I totaly agree.
Power should be distributive, food production.. hell even clothing; we have the technology to make it so 100% employment is completely un needed; I have a few hours of conversation recorded between me and a friend exploring alternative "econonomy" set ups.. we need to move away from a scarcity based economy, hardly anything is scarce unless your a hoarder!
G'day All,
This is dangerous thinking right here...
Imagine it...
Loosely affiliated groups providing for themselves and sharing with others...
Decentralised organisations with little or no structure...
How the hell can they be controlled!
Really, come on now.
Next thing you'll be suggesting they plant their own food or directly help the farmers who do (maybe some community supported agriculture), build their own homes, supply education, health care and other needs freely and get rid of money!
Bloody Anarchists.
Next thing you'll learn about some alternatives (http://www.democracynature.org/vol1/bookchin_libertarian.htm) and maybe read some Bookchin (http://www.social-ecology.org/author/murray-bookchin/).
You're all such a bother, now sit down you're interrupting my tellingvision time...
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon
Dawn
14th October 2011, 03:15
The most exciting thing about this thread is the questions it generates which will lead to new answers. Remaining in the energy of curiosity and continuing to ask the next question always leads to deeper and more exciting answers.
Here are a few questions I like.
What changes are needed to allow us to teach the children what we now understand is our true history?
Better yet: What will allow us to be open to allowing the children to teach us about our true nature and history?
Where do we need to be, who do we need to be with, and what will support more freedom from limitation?
What beliefs are we holding that are creating patterns of lack, victim-hood, and grief?
What new ideas do we have to let go of the limitations now associated with money? Is there another way available?
I'll bet we can come up with better and better questions, which will allow deeper and better answers to appear in consciousness for us all to enjoy.
Here's a very inspiring video that will leave you feeling filled with hope... it is about changing the money paradigm totally:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29003-A-Gifting-Economy
T Smith
14th October 2011, 04:08
This is also the of primary cause of greed in our culture. People wrongly assume greed is an innate trait of a human nature; and while this may be so, I would posit greed is but a generated response to the insidious dynamic of our monetary system. When money is issued in a certain quantity where there is not enough money in circulation to satisfy the demand for money, (e.g. to pay back the debt) a deep-rooted and subliminal understanding of shortage grips the collective psyche; someone will necessarily have to go without. Put another way, if there are ten apples to consume, but only nine units of currency to exchange for them, someone in the group will have starve. This is the ultimate control dynamic. In short, it fuels a survival-of-the-fittest instinct in the species. And while we don't necessarily consciously understand our responses, shortage is nonetheless imprinted upon the collective psyche; hence a base and instinctual drive to procreate and survive, and may the strongest and fittest among us prosper and pass on our genes.
In the shortest terms possible, our worst flaws as a species are a consequence of this, the greatest scam on Earth.
jackovesk
14th October 2011, 04:47
A retired banker describes simply, the world's Money Scam and the reason every country is now going bankrupt. Private banks have stolen the money creation process, and whereas once our money was created by the governments, debt-free, it is now created out of thin air and issued as debt with interest charges. In today's banker controlled world, money = debt, debt = slavery and therefore, money = slavery -- our monetary systems have become systems of enslavement.
Money is created out of nothing, issued as debt, not enough money is created for the future interest payments and inflation steals our savings.
The money creation process should be taken away from the banks and given to the governments who can create money debt-free, interest-free. This is how it used to be done and we needed no income taxes. Finally, it is explained what we should do to stop supporting the money scam.
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/economic-collapse/the-greatest-scam-on-earth-.html
:bump:
Great Thread ulli,
The 'Title' justifies the 'Content' and is a 'Must View' for all...
http://www.sl-webs.com/custimages/dd395-%20Web%20%20(s).jpg
DoubleHelix
14th October 2011, 05:01
Zoom in to view history of the Fed' / http://thrivemovement.com/infographics/historyofthefed/
http://thrivemovement.com/infographics/historyofthefed/historyofthefed.jpg
gripreaper
14th October 2011, 05:51
Hopefully all of the distractions and adversarial polarities created for our amusement and energetic discharge can now be focused on the true elite bloodlines who have been in control of this planet for millennium, and we, as sovereign souls, can and will choose to finally move away from victimhood to self determination. This game in polarity, which we have been playing, is getting old and tired, and I say: "been there, done that...got the tee shirt and the ticket stub" and it's time to move on.
The patterns are imbedded in our very DNA and therefore are genetic as well as environmental, with every social system designed and engineered to perpetuate the fraud. Awakening requires a complete "clean sweep" of our hard wired hard drives and the reloading of all new software. Everything (speaking for myself) I have ever been taught has been a lie and needed to be rewritten in an entirely new context, while most of the vocabulary used to communicate in the dying context also had to be discarded because it had energy of conflict, strife, aggressiveness, competition, and agitated energetic impulses within it.
The new paradigm discards anything which creates fear and strife, or perturbations in my energy field, where the context attempts to polarize and short circuit into antiquated belief structures my energy that is moving into unity and higher consciousness. I see a collapse of the current financial paradigm. How the new paradigm will look has been speculated by many and needs to bring back community and discard centralization. Once we start communicating with each other again instead of our I-pads, or "pods" then our humanity will begin to shine through collectively.
The new dawn is to be intentioned and embraced. Only the degree of birth pains associated with the transition is the unknown variable.
laughs-last
14th October 2011, 08:11
we are sharing caring bunch of fluffy muppets at heart, not greedy animals as the human nature argument would have us believe. Actually animals are mostly do not exibit the negative elements we can, as a consequence of corrupting socialization. I like the old way in many cultures that status was often given with a group, based on what one gave away that generousity was a quality; as opposed to now where mainstream sees such people as mugs. That dimension alone would make a massive shift in change, however you need to have people who are at the right vibration for this to work well. I have lived in a commune and unfortunately the wrong attitudes that were being 'cut and pasted' from the city, made everything turn sour quickly. I think however if children are raised in such a way and assisted by the adoption of such values by the adults, the whole thingwould change in a generation or so. Love you all keep on dancinga and be merry. thanks for sharing and caring :peace:
ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ AND SUPRIZE PACKAGES :jester:
aranuk
14th October 2011, 10:14
the schools and universities are part of the system. We have to end the banking system surely first. Then maybe we can teach the children what used to happen as in a history lesson. Where to start is my big question. Any ideas?
An attack on all fronts undermining and abolishing the criminal system, right here right now. All changes, that are necessary go hand in hand, surely not everything can happen exactly simultaneously, but it won't be clearcut one after the other either, I guess.
Hi Chiquetet Can you elaborate the method of abolishing the criminal system? And why that approach?
Stan
panopticon
14th October 2011, 13:42
G'day aranuk,
I can't speak to chiquetet's intent with his choice of words, and I am sure he will correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't read it as his referring to the 'criminal justice "system"' itself (if that's what you're referring to), rather the criminal nature of the present system...
That's how I read it anyhow.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon
Unified Serenity
14th October 2011, 15:42
Talk about problem, crisis, solution....
We need to abolish the for profit prison system and pharmaceutical industry. The people of the world need to control these areas and make it possible for those working in them to earn a decent wage. We know that the pharmaceutical companys do not want to cure people because where would they make money in the future. We know that for profit prisons do not want to rehabilitate criminals, and we have more people in jail. The only way to end these criminal ventures is for no country to be able to circumvent another countries controls.
If we were to make a change like this the ptb would create a devastating need to get us back in line. But let's say that we did end the right to make profits from pharma and prison systems here. In the case of pharma the companies would just leave America and go to another country and in order for us to get the needed drugs we would have to pain even more money, thus the only way to enforce it is to have a world body that enforces this rule in all countries. Nice way to make us want some One world big brother to make us behave.
christian
14th October 2011, 18:28
We should all receive money for food and clothing. Money should not have any value, it should be as valuable as an ID(passport, drivers license) Just like a document that needs to be used for an exchange for any need. Housing should be free for everybody. Education should be free and available for every child regardless of background, colour, race, etc etc..
I think it's important to differentiate between receivership and self-responsibility.
Where does all the food, the clothing, houses and education come from in the first place? People became quite accustomed to white collar and service sector jobs, they actually lost their connection to the roots of basic supplies, it's crucial to reestablish that, imho.
I didn't read it as his referring to the 'criminal justice "system"' itself (if that's what you're referring to), rather the criminal nature of the present system...
Thanks for clarifying that, I had no idea that it could be understood the other way, maybe because English is my 2nd language.
Can you elaborate the method of abolishing the criminal system? And why that approach?
Hi Stan, here's the answer that I would have given, if it had not been for panopticon.
The method I envision is just common sense, kindness and humility. No fancy intricate dogma or system, but being endowed with these basics gradually eliminating those things, activities and elements out of our personal life, jobs etc., that are only there to benefit TPTW, thus keeping what is useful to make this transition as smooth as possible. Quite some people would loose 'their job' (our real job on earth is to help others and evolve), but that is not a drama, since - common sense again - there is always work to do! It's always possible to find some way to make a contribution, if people can wrap their heads around this simple idea, everything will work out just fine.
Chris
truthseekerdan
14th October 2011, 19:03
http://dreamweaver333.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/arbor-day-quotes-graphics-2.jpg?w=780&h=585
Taurean
15th October 2011, 01:47
Here's a good video about the history of money,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#
DeDukshyn
15th October 2011, 01:58
When country borrows money the lender never checks on the ability of the borrower to pay back the principle. No, the lender looks at the borrowers ability to RESTRUCTURE the loan when it comes due. So, the scammers never intend to pay back the loan, simply to refinance over and over and over and over.........until they hit infinity (just kidding, but close), then it all collapses. Sadly, we seem to be at the collapse part of the show. And yes, the lenders understand the game too.
Even worse, the scammers do their best to ensure there will never be enough $$ in circulation for any country to repay their debt - once you join the scam you are done - they will ensure you can never repay your debt. Canada comes about the closest I've seen for countries trying to repay their debt but the Harper government has reversed that trend - were racking up more debt again after paying much of it down. The issue is they control basically the global finance and all countries economy's are tied together - need to hit Canada? just hit the US and voila! New debt restored!
It truly is the greatest scam on earth. The USA, before income tax and the Fed, was inordinately wealthy. Then the banksters came and the Federal Reserve was created ... and Voila! The USA is "owned" and the downward spiral begins ...
Taurean
15th October 2011, 02:52
And don't forget when you default on your loan the bank then gets to grab a tangible asset.
DeDukshyn
15th October 2011, 02:56
And don't forget when you default on your loan the bank then gets to grab a tangible asset.
The reason for "inflation" then "deflation" these aren't natural cycles -- these are induced cycles to get back the tangible assets, then sell them again!
jcocks
15th October 2011, 15:49
We should all receive money for food and clothing. Money should not have any value, it should be as valuable as an ID(passport, drivers license) Just like a document that needs to be used for an exchange for any need. Housing should be free for everybody. Education should be free and available for every child regardless of background, colour, race, etc etc..
I think it's important to differentiate between receivership and self-responsibility.
Where does all the food, the clothing, houses and education come from in the first place? People became quite accustomed to white collar and service sector jobs, they actually lost their connection to the roots of basic supplies, it's crucial to reestablish that, imho.
I didn't read it as his referring to the 'criminal justice "system"' itself (if that's what you're referring to), rather the criminal nature of the present system...
Thanks for clarifying that, I had no idea that it could be understood the other way, maybe because English is my 2nd language.
Can you elaborate the method of abolishing the criminal system? And why that approach?
Hi Stan, here's the answer that I would have given, if it had not been for panopticon.
The method I envision is just common sense, kindness and humility. No fancy intricate dogma or system, but being endowed with these basics gradually eliminating those things, activities and elements out of our personal life, jobs etc., that are only there to benefit TPTW, thus keeping what is useful to make this transition as smooth as possible. Quite some people would loose 'their job' (our real job on earth is to help others and evolve), but that is not a drama, since - common sense again - there is always work to do! It's always possible to find some way to make a contribution, if people can wrap their heads around this simple idea, everything will work out just fine.
Chris
Once this whole big lie has unraveled (and it will), and we have had time to come to grips with universal reality, we will have jobs which we do with joy, because they will be properly tied to our innate abilities and interests - and we will receive true rewards for doing them - not just "money".
Black Panther
22nd December 2011, 12:48
Really liked the video "Banking, the Greatest Scam on Earth". Even people who think the conspiracy is just a theory starting to see something isn't right. By making a funny cartoon of it it's fun to watch and it's easier to understand. I have a another one about the Rothschilds and the the Banking system. Another great movie explaining what's really happening behind the scenes:
3I9z7uqFW64
Makers of the film: http://theamericandreamfilm.com/
About the € and the $....
As both currencies are now supposedly going down the drain I was wondering how the controllers are visualizing the transition to the planned one world currency.
Does anyone here have any thoughts on that?
I know there are people on this forum who want to do away with money altogether,
but I can't see a society of over 7 billion people
functioning by using coffee beans or barter over every single exchange.
crossroader
29th May 2012, 17:41
If it is really true that the "Dragon families" and others have control of the majority of the gold on the planet and it truly is off the books, I'd like to believe that it could be made world currency. Other precious commodities as well could be used. The problem remains of how to keep the system honest and true to its purpose. I'd think that the release of it to the world should and would only coincide with a way to do that. I'm certainly naive of all the reasons and players against this, but I can dream.
Kindred
29th May 2012, 18:35
I'm going to ask a question... I hope someone can answer it...
Why Do We Need Money????
What Purpose Does It Serve, Other Than To Provide A Means Of Control?
Isn't THIS what all the Fuss is About? WHO HAS THE CONTROL...
Look Within, for True Control.
In Unity, Peace and LOVE
crossroader
29th May 2012, 18:47
Would not having something of intrinsic value in one's possession to use as a means of exchange give that individual control of personal affairs and take enough away from those who seek to control masses of people?
I'm going to ask a question... I hope someone can answer it...
Why Do We Need Money????
What Purpose Does It Serve, Other Than To Provide A Means Of Control?
Isn't THIS what all the Fuss is About? WHO HAS THE CONTROL...
Look Within, for True Control.
In Unity, Peace and LOVE
The video made the distinction between money being created on the one hand by the "Feds" or Central Banks-
privately owned profit oriented organizations-
and on the other hand governments (elected by us citizens) as providers of money.
So you want to do away with money altogether in this complex world?
What are you going to give the developers and makers and retailers of your next laptop?
christian
29th May 2012, 20:48
About the € and the $....
As both currencies are now supposedly going down the drain I was wondering how the controllers are visualizing the transition to the planned one world currency.
Does anyone here have any thoughts on that?
I know there are people on this forum who want to do away with money altogether,
but I can't see a society of over 7 billion people
functioning by using coffee beans or barter over every single exchange.
I think there are even greater numbers of beings outside earth who don't have money and don't need it. At a certain stage of realization, people naturally become moderate and balanced in giving and taking.
That's something I will not loose out of sight, I don't see it happening tomorrow already anyways. So in the meantime, letting the people decide, what kind of currency they wanna use seems fine to me. A "free-market monetary system" (http://mises.org/daily/3204) as proposed by Hayek. I don't think people would then choose FIAT money loaned out to them on interest.
The globalists' next step to their one world currency are SDRs - special drawing rights.
http://www.infowars.com/globalists-push-sdrs-as-world-reserve-currency/
butcherman
29th May 2012, 20:50
thanks ulli naughts and zeros on a page move around a bit it truly does not exist in our modern world they just can't keep up with the paper work and every seven years credit restored and we start all over again staying put the root to enslavment by the evil
butcherman
It isn't going to change all at once, but we can begin the process and at the same time stick it to the corporations. For instance you can get rid of that gas using lawn mower...get a push mower. Then you'll be able to convert part of your lawn to food production and of course won't need the gym membership anymore. :)
As for barter...well that can (and is beginning to) work quite well and isn't dependent on beans or gold. Services can be bartered...If joe the carpenter builds me a fence, I'll keep his family in tomatoes for the season... and with practice we may even get to the point when we stop keeping score on who owes who what.
As for the sick and the poor and the elderly...I guess some of my tomatoes would go to them because maybe we really are our brothers keeper.
And the rest...those scrambling to make it as well as those guys with the mega house, the BMW and the 2 acre lawn...we convince them that they are out of fashion, that consumerism is gauche and all the cool kids are growing gardens.
(why yes, that does almost sound like the elites methods)
The game is dependent on participants...so, we just quietly and calmly go about the business of withdrawing from the game and encouraging others to do the same.
I left city life behind long time ago in the conviction that there would be a monetary collapse one day.
But I always worried about people who were living in big cities- what might happen to them in a food supply crisis.
Until I became aware of the rooftop farms. This movement is quite big already and even has has mainstream media exposure.
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/660/371/green_farming_rooftop.JPG
Virgo
29th May 2012, 22:50
It sounds like a passge out of "They Own it All...", Author Ronald Mac Donald.
Taurean
30th May 2012, 00:21
As I see it the Financial System has been on life support since 2008.
The Cabal/Aristocracy/Ruling Class /PTB are waiting for the right opportunity to crash the system which will bring about total chaos.
They will then propose a new One World digital currency, ( really just credits & debits ) and all future transactions will be done electronically.
Thus in one foul swoop they have got everybody by the proverbial, and we have a Brave New World.
They have " TOTAL CONTROL OF THE MASSES ".
Kindred
30th May 2012, 01:23
The video made the distinction between money being created on the one hand by the "Feds" or Central Banks-
privately owned profit oriented organizations-
and on the other hand governments (elected by us citizens) as providers of money.
So you want to do away with money altogether in this complex world?
What are you going to give the developers and makers and retailers of your next laptop?
IF we were a Truly Civilized Society (and I admit that, at present, we are merely organized, and not very well at that!) WE - our gov't, and individuals alike - would recognize the intrinsic value of providing all the necessities of life, plus a few extravagances, to Everyone, such that No One is without, and that the Entire Society Benefits from this exchange.
In Fact, when one does some serious examination, it become plainly obvious that when All are in good health, and have all the amenities they require for a good life, then Everyone can partake and offer their Best to the Society such that it becomes a increasingly beneficial cycle. This kind of supportive cycle thus permits the ability of the populace to have the necessary time for self-improvement both intellectually, and, more importantly, Spiritually.
Here's an interesting article relative to this very notion;
http://www.galactic.no/rune/iarga.html
In Unity, Peace and LOVE
I left city life behind long time ago in the conviction that there would be a monetary collapse one day.
But I always worried about people who were living in big cities- what might happen to them in a food supply crisis.
Until I became aware of the rooftop farms. This movement is quite big already and even has has mainstream media exposure.
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/660/371/green_farming_rooftop.JPG
If (when) a supply collapse occurs, there is an abundant and easily acquired protein source in big cities that I hope people will recognize...pigeon.
GloriousPoetry
15th October 2012, 18:45
When money became a commodity all hell broke lose.
GloriousPoetry
15th October 2012, 18:49
I agree ......it saddens me to reflect on what a broken society we have created and it's no wonder there are so many broken people on this planet, therefore we create jobs to take care of these ills and we just continue to breed the same issues over and over.....sheer insanity!
Carmody
15th October 2012, 19:25
Actually, we did not create it.
What happened is that power mongers and beings of low to zero empathy moved into governmental systems. this is how they do it,as it is path,a simple path to control. control that is outside of the average person's notice, as they don't get, they don't understand the idea of living in an animal self that is not emotive and empathetic. These people have no humanity to put aside, in order to get to where they have gotten to.
The logic of it as an existing thing, misses them completely.
The first thing a sociopath learns, is that they will be destroyed if they display their natural state of affairs. Which is that of animal base thinking and acting. they learned this as a child, in most cases. with respect to the elites, they learned to have a minimum of two faces, maybe three, depending on the given ethinic and religious upbringing. One for public, one for their tribe, and one for themselves/family. As natural as breathing.
They learn to cloak their true selves, they don't emote, they EMULATE emotions in front of empathetic people. And those empathetic people, they imagine and project emotions into what they see. In this, they fail to see the sociopath, the psychopath.
What has gone on, is that over thousands of years, they have inbred and interbred in and within those circles.
Thus they are now almost a separate breed, with all the marks of inbred insanity --that is peaked. Like begets like, like marries like, like spends time with like, and so on. the difference is genetic,and it is on the inside. We can now test for this.
They are now locked into a loop of insanity that sees others as things to be manipulated. They have no clue, in some ways. They are not omnipotent.
And now, they have to finally be seen for what they are.
And their breeding and existence on the planet may have to be ended, as they are going to try and end us first.
There is no rehabilitation, here. They will refuse it as they will and would refuse death.
There is no correction, as it is a dead end to allow it to exist in an empathetic society. In that situation, the motion of their inclusion, at all, in any form.... will ALWAYS move toward fascism, then totalitarianism, then a bloodbath. As you can see, by looking....all throughout the world, all the way through history. Thus, every time it has been allowed any form of inclusion, it has struck us down, and burned us to the ground. Every time. (sooner or later...)
That is what is going on. That is what is coming.
araucaria
15th October 2012, 20:17
What makes humanity what it is is the ability to empathize with the humanity in others, including animals.
The weakness of humanity is in empathizing with human forms that do not have this defining trait of empathy.
We reject duality, but when it comes to the duality human/inhuman, we have to choose. It shoudln't be that difficult.
ulli
15th October 2012, 21:04
What makes humanity what it is is the ability to empathize with the humanity in others, including animals.
The weakness of humanity is in empathizing with human forms that do not have this defining trait of empathy.
We reject duality, but when it comes to the duality human/inhuman, we have to choose. It shoudln't be that difficult.
Yeah, it shouldn't be difficult, but it has become the norm to see people confused about these issues.
Once people's minds have been messed with to the point that they lose their common sense, their discernment, their judgement, then they have nothing left with which to navigate through life and meet a sociopath head-on.
So many voices out there telling them not to judge, to be forgiving, that their enemy is their own ego....
So they get inner work with outer work mixed up...and end up losing the proper context.
It is a mass disarmament we are witnessing.
So I make it clear that I wish to see people empowered, to stand up for themselves, to use their egos, their intellect, ..to guard these faculties. One day they will come in handy.
A person's ego is their psychic defense system.
The answer is ultimately a new society which has fair and just institutions that deal with issues of protecting and guarding the group at large...
judges and legislators who are not corrupt, and who put the well-being of the collective above personal and individual considerations. But will anyone be left to drag a perpetrator to justice, when the entire legal system as well as law enforcement are perceived as the evil perpetrator? Each situation must be evaluated on its own specific details, evidence and merits. While there is diversity there will always be duality. Even though it is all connected underneath.
ThePythonicCow
15th October 2012, 21:42
That is what is going on. That is what is coming.
Ouch :)
norman
15th October 2012, 22:12
I don't even want the government to creat money.
In fact, when the global currency arrives, that's exactly who will be creating it.
Flash
15th October 2012, 23:05
I studied lots of things in my life (maybe I should study less and do more inner studies....:confused:) anyhow, I studied and had a few friends that are psychologists (shrinks, which I love to call them kind of - stop shrinking me right now).
Well, it took one of these friends quite a while to make me realise that there truly were people with zero empathy, zero regrets. He had to almost blow out in my face for me to understand, repeatedly saying the same thing - jail if full of NO EMPATHY, NO REGRETS - he would repeat it again and again until I caught. This made me change my set of eyes to view society as well some of my set of beliefs - although I am still caught sometimes in the love paradigm, I am very well aware that for psychopaths, another paradigm has to be used.
It took me years to understand, and finally, once understood, I am still somewhat shocked at their behaviors, sometimes caught off guard still, even if I know about the total wickedness and deviance of these behaviors.
I just imagine what it is for the laymen, who has never gone on any fringe forums, has never had a psychologist friend, has never encountered face to face a psychopath up to the point of saying this is not a normal person will never be, and only has a simple life routine with a more or less healthy human family. The poor guy/girl is really unable to understand, no way they will. Not many people can understand the depth of the deficiencies of psychopaths.
I truly feel that we ONLY have pitchforks not more else to combat the disease invading the planet. The depth of this disease is immense.
Hervé
15th October 2012, 23:08
[...]
These people have no humanity to put aside, in order to get to where they have gotten to.
The logic of it as an existing thing, misses them completely.
[...]
Hence the need to work out infallible tests to detect these characters so as to -- at least -- not let them have access to positions of power or leadership.
The old Gypsies had a perfect test, performed on their kids, to detect such and never let them become tribes' chiefs. They managed their own but were unable to handle the ones of the engulfing societies they were surviving in... and their way of life and knowledge slowly disappeared.
araucaria
16th October 2012, 16:48
[...]
These people have no humanity to put aside, in order to get to where they have gotten to.
The logic of it as an existing thing, misses them completely.
[...]
Hence the need to work out infallible tests to detect these characters so as to -- at least -- not let them have access to positions of power or leadership.
The old Gypsies had a perfect test, performed on their kids, to detect such and never let them become tribes' chiefs. They managed their own but were unable to handle the ones of the engulfing societies they were surviving in... and their way of life and knowledge slowly disappeared.
The test is the detection of auras. It just needs to be mechanized.
ulli
16th October 2012, 16:59
[...]
These people have no humanity to put aside, in order to get to where they have gotten to.
The logic of it as an existing thing, misses them completely.
[...]
Hence the need to work out infallible tests to detect these characters so as to -- at least -- not let them have access to positions of power or leadership.
The old Gypsies had a perfect test, performed on their kids, to detect such and never let them become tribes' chiefs. They managed their own but were unable to handle the ones of the engulfing societies they were surviving in... and their way of life and knowledge slowly disappeared.
I would love to know how they did that.
Also the native Americans had a way of spotting future leaders.
They would watch kids while at play, and they would take not of those who were bullies, even if they showed physical strength.
But those kids who had a team spirit, generosity, helpfulness...those were then picked out to be raised and trained to be future chiefs.
Neither physical strength nor cunning were required as prime characteristics.
Hervé
16th October 2012, 18:39
[...]
The old Gypsies had a perfect test, performed on their kids, to detect such and never let them become tribes' chiefs. They managed their own but were unable to handle the ones of the engulfing societies they were surviving in... and their way of life and knowledge slowly disappeared.
I would love to know how they did that.
Also the native Americans had a way of spotting future leaders.
They would watch kids while at play, and they would take not of those who were bullies, even if they showed physical strength.
But those kids who had a team spirit, generosity, helpfulness...those were then picked out to be raised and trained to be future chiefs.
Neither physical strength nor cunning were required as prime characteristics.
Gypsies basically used tthe same principle of weeding out STSs from STOs with their test, which was very simple and had to do with their behavior with respect to the opposite sex.
Carmody
17th October 2012, 01:42
Makes sense to me.
apokalypse
17th October 2012, 03:06
is funny when i see the attacking on people on welfare system from Unemployed to people committing welfare fraud/cheats which have cost heavily on Government Budget every year and tax payers but i didn't hear anything about these elites/corporates like banks stole the money over trillion of dollar from the people.
it's Ok to give the money to these elites/corporates but it's not ok giving out to these Unemployed as some people called it dole bludgers in Australia or welfare cheaters. It damn shame if you on welfare not working paying taxes and make contribution to society...but what kind of society we live on? it benefit for whom?
isn't idea of Government is to serve the people and take care of them not serving for the systems and groups of people on top of the food chain? i would say it's one of greatest scam and con on planet earth.
Those idea just popup in my head another day and i want to share in here. this year is amazing year so many stuff just coming in my head having all kind of though...
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