Book Claims Hitler 'Died In Argentina'

[The One]

Nazi leader Adolf Hitler did not kill himself in Berlin in 1945 but ended his days in Argentina, a new book has claimed.

British journalist Gerrard Williams has told Sky News he and co-author Simon Dunstan found an "overwhelming amount of evidence" to suggest Hitler died an old man in South America.

Many historians say the Nazi leader died in his Berlin bunker in 1945 - but Williams claims their research, looking at newly de-classified documents and forensic tests, challenges this.

"We didn't want to re-write history, but the evidence we've discovered about the escape of Adolf Hitler is just too overwhelming to ignore," he said.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Oct/Week3/16090138.jpg
Hitler allegedly lived at this residence in Argentina after World War 2

There is no forensic evidence for his, or Eva Braun's deaths, and the stories from the eyewitnesses to their continued survival in Argentina are compelling."

Grey Wolf: The Escape Of Adolf Hitler claims the Fuhrer and his mistress Eva Braun were secretly flown out of Germany in April 1945 and taken to fascist-controlled Argentina.

It is alleged Hitler lived in the country for 17 years, initially raising his two daughters, until his death in 1962.

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Grey Wolf claims Hitler did not kill himself at his Berlin bunker in 1945

The book also accuses US intelligence of being complicit in the scam in return for access to Nazi war technology.

"Stalin, Eisenhower and Hoover of the FBI all knew there was no proof of him dying in the bunker," Williams told Sky News.

"It's difficult to understand why so much of the already published material we present in the book has been ignored over the years."

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Gerrard Williams says the 'Hitler' skull is actually that of a young woman


He added that the book's new findings prove the "Hitler" skull fragments held by the Russians are actually that of a young woman.

Williams said he and Dunstan conducted intensive field research in Argentina, including interviews with many eyewitnesses to Hitler's presence there.

"It's only now that Argentina is once more a thriving democracy that the real stories are beginning to come out," he said.

"Even so, two of our eyewitnesses received death threats from persons unknown while working with us on this book."

The film Grey Wolf is currently in production and is expected to be released in January.


http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16090144

[Gone002]

very interesting i will have to get the book when it comes out, i have always thought there was more to his death. I wonder what other governments new this aswell.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks TheOne I put loads of stuff up on Jackovesks thread confirming Hitler deffinately died in the Bunker...
If there is anytruth to this we need a lot more proof , but if we believe the elites put Hitler in power and he had plenty of doubles who knows ?
All the witnesses could of either been fooled by the doubles, unlikely !
Or maybe mind controlled or so totally loyal as to sacrifice themselves and keep the secret to the grave ??
We know all the main Nazi leaders died,except Boreman and Eichman, unless they were all doubles??

We know the US is a corporate state 'Fascism' so they could have orchestrated it....
If it is true , it would put major doubts on everything we know...
But there are plenty of doubts, the cold war and all the wars last century were probably set up by the global elite to make vast amount of money thus power for themselves..
Cull the heard with terrifying deaths to feed the entities that live off the essence of terrified human deaths, per David Icke/Jordan Maxwell...
We believe we are being lied to all the time , if this could be proved it would be proof we live in a manipulated matrix once and for all

OMG .......This is potentially huge.....Steve ...give me a red pill quick or was it blue ..LOL

[norman]

RED PILL ARMY RECRUITMENT CENTER FIRST LEFT ( or is it RIGHT?)

Seriously, I've long held the view, since 10 years or so ago, that nothing we have been told is reliable. However, that also applies to what we are being told now too.

One thing that rings my bell about the NAZI evacuation to Argentina is that it also fits very well with the stories weve heard about a secret continuation of the NAZI science projects in Antarctica. Argentina is a big player in Antarctica, and VERY CLOSE!.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Norman you've set me off

Thats right The Nazi had a base in Antartica and were supposed to have saucer technology

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_3.htm

The title of this vid is misleading but still very interesting the researcher says the sub it was on its way to the US , with possible industrialists in 1944 to negotiate with US officials in Washington thru the Dulles Bros.What it suggests is the coporate link the US had with Germany...

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[Cidersomerset]

Lets see what mystery Quest thinks....

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[Cidersomerset]

Well that was enlightening the scull the Russians said was Adolph Hitler, was proven by DNA not to be and belonged to a female between the ages of 20-40yrs .
Which you would thought may have been Eve Braun.But for some reason they never mentioned that in the film. It opened the possibility that Hitler may have escaped
but not catagorically. The reconstrution of the bunker was good and showed a possible escape hatch.....

I still find it hard to believe Goebbels and his wife and six children would have killed themselves if they new Hitler was gone, for they would surely have been able to tell
apart any double. Also Hitler being the flamboyant ultra egoist living quitely in Argentina does not fit for me, but there is deffinatly doubt of how it all ended and
as said Stalin thought he had escaped!!!! Maybe he went to Nazi base on the back side of the moon !!!...This is getting intriguing either way....
and of course there was Admiral Byrds expedition to the antartic in 1947 that some say was cut short by Nazi flying discs.....So off we go again....Steve


P.S. one things for sure, I'll be arguing with myself tonight...LOL

[norman]

It's all very odd.

This little video might have you all giggling with well taken pi*s but I happen to think the guy might be on to something. I think 2 of the faces he mentions are not who he thinks they are but another 2 have got me really wondering. I won't say which 2. I 'll let you decide for yourselves.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU_ReUQVPmU

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[sidh25]

i always thought hitler shooting himself in a bunker was a big load of crap. thanks for the confirmation TheOne

[Lost Soul]

The old Project Camelot website had an article on Otto Skorzeny. Said article tried to link G. W. H. Bush to Hitler and stated that Hitler had escaped Germany and hid out in South America. Another interesting point is on Mengele. Kathy O'Brien claimed that Mengele was her handler and that he continued his experiments in America.

[Cidersomerset]

Good vid Norman, It makes you think .................We could just go down the David Icke root, They are not Nazi, communists,Neo cons, Democrats ,Republicans..that are at the top of everything in History they are from the elite ancient bloodlines and its a power game they have been playing at our expence for thousands of years.......Which would explain all the chaos now , and wars as they or the entities behind them feed off the essence of humans highligted during fear....

Actually I have always thought that the case , but thought they used and manipulated the puppets under them, maybe they are the puppets and live a lot longer than we imagine and keep popping up in different suits and uniforms thru out the ages !!!!

[<8>]

Interesting thanks so much The One...

I have to say with nothing to back this up with, at first glimpse of this foto..
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Oct/Week3/16090138.jpg

Those trees behind Hitler's supposedly residence, grows in the northen hemisphere, in fact i'm looking at one now.
These trees don't approve the good climate of Argentina, as far as i know "anyways"

[Rocky1]

Where he died and when he died is not as important to me as the fact that he died. That the US and other countries may have been complicit would not come as a surprise. As to the technology, my father worked with Werner van Braun after he defected to the US. Much of the data from Dr. Mengele's experimentation with the Jews and others have proved helpful with treating many conditions since he was able to experiment on human "guinea pigs".

The fact is that they are dead. The atrocities committed by them must never be forgotten, and cannot be condoned. Thet must never be allowed to occur again.

[161803398]

Its an obvious scam. He "died" the same day as Osama. The night before Beltane. Its a ritual of some importance to the PTB. Human sacrifice night...but for some other poor slob; not for Hitler or Osama.

[Lord Sidious]

Interesting thanks so much The One...

I have to say with nothing to back this up with, at first glimpse of this foto..
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Oct/Week3/16090138.jpg

Those trees behind Hitler's supposedly residence, grows in the northen hemisphere, in fact i'm looking at one now.
These trees don't approve the good climate of Argentina, as far as i know "anyways"

This isn't a scam, that house is in Argentina and it was used for Hitler to live in.
It is now abandoned.
This isn't even new info, although it is new for the mainstream. Some of us have known about this for years.

[aranuk]

Welcome back Rob! Great to see your words on the screen again.

Stan

[Lost Soul]

I think Sharkhunters (the submarine group) visited that home and included pictures of it in their magazine.

[<8>]

Interesting thanks so much The One...

I have to say with nothing to back this up with, at first glimpse of this foto..
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Oct/Week3/16090138.jpg

Those trees behind Hitler's supposedly residence, grows in the northen hemisphere, in fact i'm looking at one now.
These trees don't approve the good climate of Argentina, as far as i know "anyways"

This isn't a scam, that house is in Argentina and it was used for Hitler to live in.
It is now abandoned.
This isn't even new info, although it is new for the mainstream. Some of us have known about this for years.

As much as i like to believe you Sid..:lever:

Sadly, I am still as sceptical as I was before. Nevertheless can you can bring some clarity about those trees, i would get back in line..:lalala:

Thanks...m8...

[161803398]

I dont think Hitler living in Argentina is a scam. I think his fake death was a scam.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi all boy & Girls , I'm listening to Ion on cashflow as usual on a weds...Managed to get a question thru to Ion & Bob on whether Hitler died in the bunker ....

They said ,he escaped the bunker and was on his way to Argentina, but died a few days later in Bennin City Nigeria on route to south America !!!!

I'll put the link up shortly when its available on cash flow , its about 7/8 minutes before the break of pt 2....He gave no more details.....

Has this been heard before by anyone ???

I thought it interresting and when you hear them answer ,its straight off the cuff......If you are not familier with Ion and Bob as I am you might think it bull !

But don't dismiss them out of hand , I'm not, if nothing else I'm questioning the matrix more than ever.....Steve...

Going back to listen to part three......There was also a good segment on its future humans making crop circles , I'll put that in the appropriate place later..LOL .Steve

My Hitler question is 50mins in....
http://www.achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=Cash%20Flow%20with%20James%20Martinez&sn=66&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/2011-10-19--1200---Cash_Flow.mp3

The crop circle question starts.. 41mins if your interrested...

obviously the next question is how and by who did he die or was it a natural death ??

I'll try again next week.....

[Carmody]

If you folks read Farrell's books on Nazi technology they end up incidentally giving much strength to the idea that Hitler did not die in Germany. The fact that even Bormann had at least 3 doppelgangers, is a clue. That the dental records came from a friend of the family, another clue. That Stalin is on record of accusing the West of having possession of Hitler, at one point, is another. And so on.

I personally know of at least two (dead now) that escaped the hangman's noose. One was even walking around in Germany up until the late 80's. And those two had no resources ---comparatively unlike what like Hitler had at his command. Thus Hitler spoofing his own death is #1 on the list of potentials from this ending of WWII in Berlin. And it remains in the #1 spot, to this day.

[Cidersomerset]

Well I was listening to Joseph Farrell on red ice this afternoon about his new book 'The Grid of the Gods', the jist of which the megalithic monuments of the world were linked

technology centred on the pyrimids by a lost civilisation on earth.......His Nazi work is very good and plausible......

I'm at a cross rds on this subject....I'm very familier with the mainstream version and one of my hobbies is mililtary models and history, which is at odds with my path of the last

five years, so I know a bit about all the wars and battles since recorded history....and know all about false flags ,deception, secrets ,lies etc....

But its still a bit of a shock that the Hitler story is a big lie....sure I'm familier of the possibility Hitler escaped ,but thought that was a deception too far.....

But now it seems to be wide open again....As I've said, I've heard a lot of Ions material over the last two years , and although he can be contradictory ,depending how you ask a question.

With hundreds of people E/mailing & ringing in and testing him, he has not lied or got much wrong that we can check. He has plainly said where he died.

So he has put his non-physical kneck on the line.....LOL..Steve.

[Lord Sidious]

Interesting thanks so much The One...

I have to say with nothing to back this up with, at first glimpse of this foto..
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Oct/Week3/16090138.jpg

Those trees behind Hitler's supposedly residence, grows in the northen hemisphere, in fact i'm looking at one now.
These trees don't approve the good climate of Argentina, as far as i know "anyways"

This isn't a scam, that house is in Argentina and it was used for Hitler to live in.
It is now abandoned.
This isn't even new info, although it is new for the mainstream. Some of us have known about this for years.

As much as i like to believe you Sid..:lever:

Sadly, I am still as sceptical as I was before. Nevertheless can you can bring some clarity about those trees, i would get back in line..:lalala:

Thanks...m8...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16704-How-could-Martin-Bormann-escape
Read that thread, you can see my input starting at post 33.
Good freemasonic number for ya! :p

[161803398]

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[Lord Sidious]

The other video uploaded by that user is interesting too.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW4mM9QvJMo

I would suggest that you leave them alone, don't mess with them.
You should all know by now, they play for real.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Sid Excellent vid by Peter Lavenda..........There can be no doubt as you say the Nazis or there equivelent are alive and well !!

As Jim Marrs , Peter Lavenda ,Josepth Farrell, Richard Hoagland and others....The United Corporate States of America is the 4 Riech...

Fascism is an amalgamation of State and corporate ind among other things, and is it not true that US politics has been influenced totally by

the corporate, lobby and dollar, to the extent its impossible to be elected without it !....

The US has been in a non stop state of conflict/war with someone since 'Pearl Harbour' !! Hitler would be proud !!

Steve..

[Lord Sidious]

Thanks Sid Excellent vid by Peter Lavenda..........There can be no doubt as you say the Nazis or there equivelent are alive and well !!

As Jim Marrs , Peter Lavenda ,Josepth Farrell, Richard Hoagland and others....The United Corporate States of America is the 4 Riech...

Fascism is an amalgamation of State and corporate ind among other things, and is it not true that US politics has been influenced totally by

the corporate, lobby and dollar, to the extent its impossible to be elected without it !....

The US has been in a non stop state of conflict/war with someone since 'Pearl Harbour' !! Hitler would be proud !!

Steve..

Erm, no.
The US is not the fourth Reich, there is no such thing.
The third isn't done yet, only the western powers wish it were.
And fascism is not the system used by the Reich, they were and are National Socialist, they are not interchangeable, any more than democracy and republic are.
The US isn't fascist, although it appears that way, it is communist, all you have to do is count up how many planks of communism are in play.

[Cidersomerset]

On the mystery quest film it shows an escape hatch leading to the suface of a surviving bunker in Berlin , It also said the Russians confirmed a similar one in the 'Fuhrer Bunker'

One of my doubts was how did he fool his close associates like Goebbels ( Unless they were all in on it and martyred themselves ) ?

If there was an escape hatch in Hitlers Study , it is feasible that as he locked himselfe and Eva in there before the suiside....

There was time to bring down doubles either drugged/voluntarily and replace their corpses with Hitlers & Evas, thus fooling staff and Goebbels etc..

They would have not looked to closely at two corpses in all the panic......

The Hatch sequence is aprox 7 min in..

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Of course there are a lot of other scenarios, He could have left anytime earlier if there was an active conspiricy to get him out, by his loyal inner core
who would take the secret to the grave....

Steve

[Lord Sidious]

In that documentary, they talk of Rochus Misch and of Hanna Reitsch.
Neither of them would tell you the truth, if it were different that the story we have been told over the years.
So, when they say Rochus has changed his story, I would say he is probably lying, as he swore an oath when he joined the Waffen SS.

[Cidersomerset]

Yes your right, a funny story i used when describing left from right was they were so far apart at there extreme ends they rejoined....

Communism and fascism are much the same thing....IMHO ...Both evil and corrupt in the wrong hands......

[Calz]

Hey Sid.

Verrrrrryyyy Interestink.

10654

Long ago and far away in another galaxthread nicknamed "white man" you suggested there was a story to be told about Hitler. We never really followed up there.

Is this another unfolding nugget trail?

Anything up that black sleeve of yours or are you already spilling the nuggets?

[Lord Sidious]

Hey Sid.

Verrrrrryyyy Interestink.

10654

Long ago and far away in another galaxthread nicknamed "white man" you suggested there was a story to be told about Hitler. We never really followed up there.

Is this another unfolding nugget trail?

Anything up that black sleeve of yours or are you already spilling the nuggets?

Not sure, remind me of what we were talking about.

[Calz]

Hey Sid.

Verrrrrryyyy Interestink.

10654

Long ago and far away in another galaxthread nicknamed "white man" you suggested there was a story to be told about Hitler. We never really followed up there.

Is this another unfolding nugget trail?

Anything up that black sleeve of yours or are you already spilling the nuggets?

Not sure, remind me of what we were talking about.

Holy smokes ... hoped you remembered. Many many pages to go through to elaborate.

I can do that ... but give me some time.

[Cidersomerset]

High Sid I have been trying to think if there would be a reason for Hitler to have been in Nigeria on route to Argentina. On the face of it no, but it is situated between two former German colonies of

Togo and Cameroon. Would a sub hug the african coast before crossing to Argentina? or was it going straight down the coast to Antartica ?

It was obviously trying to avoid allied planes and shipping...If it had some sort of mechanical problem and had to drop the fuhrers party off. Where would they be going, unless it was from Togo

and they were trying to get to Camaroon thru Nigeria a British colony ?? I agree it does not make sence and if it was not for the fact that I have listened 100's of hours of Bob,Ion,James and Carolyn

I might just laugh it off...But keep it in mind when you are looking....Cheers Steve..

[Calz]

Okay I found it ... not much but a cryptic teaser.





Not sure, remind me of what we were talking about.



i think some definitions are in order to clear up confusion, and too help move the discussion forward.

Aryan, in this discussion, is referring to a race of E.T's who came to Earth a long time ago and genetically manipulated early man. If it is more comfortable, you can use Annunaki instead. I'm sure it is difficult for most to dissociate the word 'Aryan' from Hitler and his atrocities.

Aldebaran is an actual star in space. it is quite old and looks to be ready to collapse.

'White' or the Caucasian people are not strictly fair skinned. 'White' peoples come in many colors from the fair skinned Nordics to the southern Mediterranean, all the way to the middle eastern.

Please feel free to add your definitions. I feel this story needs to be told, needs to be discussed.

That is a seperate part although connected to this and I think you might find Hitler to be different to what you think now.
There is much to be told in that too.
Some will shock you, some might not.


Did this version of Aryans also settled southwest of Iran? (Ilam) did they settle at all?

update: in Iranian societies within Iran there's tribal folks one of which is called Bakhtiari (I am one) we settled southwest of Iran along the mountains of Zagros. we know ourselves to be the only true descendents of the Aryans from Persia.

I think you must be speaking of the remnants of the Bactrians who were not only aryan descendants but were connected to Alexander the Great as well.

Here is a short lesson on the life of Alexander from Iron Maiden.

[Lord Sidious]

High Sid I have been trying to think if there would be a reason for Hitler to have been in Nigeria on route to Argentina. On the face of it no, but it is situated between two former German colonies of

Togo and Cameroon. Would a sub hug the african coast before crossing to Argentina? or was it going straight down the coast to Antartica ?

It was obviously trying to avoid allied planes and shipping...If it had some sort of mechanical problem and had to drop the fuhrers party off. Where would they be going, unless it was from Togo

and they were trying to get to Camaroon thru Nigeria a British colony ?? I agree it does not make sence and if it was not for the fact that I have listened 100's of hours of Bob,Ion,James and Carolyn

I might just laugh it off...But keep it in mind when you are looking....Cheers Steve..

On the subject of U Boats, there was a secret base in the Atlantic that is still there.
I will try to find the details for you.
They would have flown out of Berlin, to Norway in all likelyhood, then gone by U Boat to this base for refueling and provisions, unless it was considered to be too risky, they would have gone straight to Argentina.


Okay I found it ... not much but a cryptic teaser.





Not sure, remind me of what we were talking about.



i think some definitions are in order to clear up confusion, and too help move the discussion forward.

Aryan, in this discussion, is referring to a race of E.T's who came to Earth a long time ago and genetically manipulated early man. If it is more comfortable, you can use Annunaki instead. I'm sure it is difficult for most to dissociate the word 'Aryan' from Hitler and his atrocities.

Aldebaran is an actual star in space. it is quite old and looks to be ready to collapse.

'White' or the Caucasian people are not strictly fair skinned. 'White' peoples come in many colors from the fair skinned Nordics to the southern Mediterranean, all the way to the middle eastern.

Please feel free to add your definitions. I feel this story needs to be told, needs to be discussed.

That is a seperate part although connected to this and I think you might find Hitler to be different to what you think now.
There is much to be told in that too.
Some will shock you, some might not.


Did this version of Aryans also settled southwest of Iran? (Ilam) did they settle at all?

update: in Iranian societies within Iran there's tribal folks one of which is called Bakhtiari (I am one) we settled southwest of Iran along the mountains of Zagros. we know ourselves to be the only true descendents of the Aryans from Persia.

I think you must be speaking of the remnants of the Bactrians who were not only aryan descendants but were connected to Alexander the Great as well.

Here is a short lesson on the life of Alexander from Iron Maiden.



Ok, well in reference to this, I will have to take a rain check till late November.

[Calz]

Ok, well in reference to this, I will have to take a rain check till late November.

Well that's clear as mud :rain:

Great to have you posting again :)

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, well in reference to this, I will have to take a rain check till late November.

Well that's clear as mud :rain:

Great to have you posting again :)

I have things on the drawing board that I don't want to ''blow'' yet, ok?
Nugget. :p

[Calz]

Roger that :laser:

[Lord Sidious]

Ok, found the place I was talking about.
http://www.bestofthecanaries.com/articles/fuerteventura/villa-gustav-winter-mystery-in-fuerteventura128.htm

Seems like I was closer than I thought.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3880417/The-Fartherland.html
http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/277962/Did-Adolf-Hitler-escape-



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gTdspLUvXo
I haven't reviewed this yet, but it shows a bit of detail of the villa.

There is a site in German that I found years ago, but can't locate right now.
Maybe one of you avalonuggets can find it later.

[Calz]

Thanks Rob.

Canary Islands, in and of themselves, makes this an interesting topic right now.

[eric charles]

Of course he escaped and fled to Argentina ! everyone seems surprised ............ wait til everyone finds out the Holocaust was a hoax also ........... now dont bash me , just do some non-MSM research , Ernst Zundel , David Irving, David cole videos on youtube also seems very well made , are a few to get your research going . Due to Allied bombing of civilian infrastructure , the food supply collapsed ,starvation leading to disease "Typhus" and ulimately the cause of death of approx 300,000 Jewish slaves , no Zycklon gas was ever found embebed in the bricks of the supposed gas chambers ,
another # that comes to mind is Judeo declares war on Germany(youtube).

[Cidersomerset]

Funny enough I was reading this article from the Daily Mail earlier, similar story They are open to the fact Hitler could have escaped...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234661/What-Hitler-survived---And-escaped-bunker.html

[Cidersomerset]

Prpoganda is the main weapon in any governments arsenal, I think most of us agree that the media is owned and run for the elites agendas, and the web
is the first serious counter to that, This little film is relevent to our story in the fact that it shows how the Nazi party came from 12 parlimentry seats out of 600
in 1928 to forming the government in1933, amazing feet of manipulation....and so it follows deception and lies are common place in war and peace.
On the runup to DDay the Allies had a complete dummy army set up commanded by Gen Patton to keep the Germans thinking the invasion would take
place in Calais not Normandy, and this mentality has been kept in place as we have been at war either overlty or covertly ever since...


Af44Slin7lg


So although I have have known for years about the Nazi in South America ( must watch boys from Brazil again in a new light) and thought Hitler could of escaped the bunker if he wanted too.On the whole I believed the story he probably did die in the bunker....
Now that seems very unlikely, and that does make much more sence to me .....

[Cidersomerset]

The holocaust is a different more complex story , if it was 300,000 that still would be far to many. As it is unless someone can really pull the house of cards down and prove
without doubt this is all a PTB illusion,and all these people just changed identity there is a lot further to go, than whether Hitler escaped the bunker.

The pre war Jewish population of Europe was in excess of 9,500million..

The post war Jewish population of Europe was approx 2/3 million

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005161

In pre war Poland there were 3,000 000 jews

In post war Poland there were 200,000 Jews

http://www.sandrawilliams.org/HOLOCAUST/holocaust.html

Of course there were many other groups murdered and whether they were shot, hanged,beaton,starved or gased they still died unnessarily at the whim of a evil Nazi regime......

[Cidersomerset]

I think David Icke is onto something when he says we have been manipulated into sacrice,murder and war and other rituals to manipulate humanity to keep us in a constant state of
war and fear, and the holocaust was a pinickle of death to please TPTB.......This is the reason we are kept on a low spiritual vibration, and we have to break free !!

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Slight detour but all part of the bigger picture imho...Steve

[bearcow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw1hgOlHTD4

old timers spilling the beans on hitler

[Carmody]

Hilter's dentist was connected directly to Martin Bormann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bormann), the #2 man in Germany. IIRC. that Hitler had, what, 7 doubles?

Bormann had a supposed minimum of three doubles. His 'corpse', probably a double... was found buried outside of what, the main Paris train depot? That the dentist was a family connection or member?

That the bunker that he (Hitler) 'suicided' in, that specific space... had a back door? That no one was allowed into the area until AT LEAST 10 minutes had passed, after the shot heard. Which was more than enough to get a live Hitler out and a dead double in.

Then it finally emerges that the 'bones of Hitler' in Stalinist Russia are that of a woman? Did this not recently come to light?

I mean, project paperclip had some 7000 Nazi scientists secreted out into US black ops projects. And that they kept their hierarchy and officer corps intact (chain of command) while working in black ops in the USA. Yes, the Nazi scientists in USA black ops, kept their Nazi organization intact. The whole time.

That the entire German and soviet (east German and all the rest) western spy apparatus was run by a NAZI OFFICER after the war. This was part of the agreement of Nazi surrender. It was all embedded Nazi spies.

Yes, the Nazi's where running the US's spy network in east Europe, AFTER the war. And onward.

What assets did they have outside of that real and actual 'on record' bit?

It gets much crazier than that.

Bormann signed a check on a US (chase Manhattan) bank, in the early 70's IIRC. His signature is as plain as day. Out in the open. Not hiding from anyone.

Apparently he was running the Nazi system down in Argentina until around that time. Remember, they were originally financed by the US federal reserve banks, in the first place, by a banking consortium run by 'senator' Prescott bush, the father of George bush senior and the grandfather of Bush Junior.

So... 'project paperclip' comes from the Dulles brothers, who were skull and bones members, like the Bush family boys. which was the creation of the CIA (Dulles brothers ran the OSS, which became the CIA) and the source of the black ops-which the scientists were imported into. (George Bush Senior ran the CIA at one point and was President of the USA for four years)

All this is detailed and supported with clear data references...in Joseph P. Farrell's works on these subjects (four fact filled books), including a nice photo of the bank receipt, for one.

All those crazy stories are detailed with solid facts. It is real folks. Scary as it may seem, it is all real.

All this is corroborated separately, by Jim Marrs, in his book, 'Rise of The Fourth Reich' (http://redpillmedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/The-Rise-of-the-Fourth-Reich-Jim-Marrs1.pdf). (pdf, get it while you can)

The basic details will emerge in the first 5 pages.

[Jean-Luc]

Very interesting book indeed

Page 10




"From the days of Lyndon B. Johnson to those of George W. Bush, there has been talk of “Amerika” turning “fascist.” Most people, this author in-cluded, dismissed this as radical rhetoric. Unfortunately, as shall be seen, this might not be so far from the truth.

The Germans were defeated in World War II . . . but not the Nazis. They were simply forced to move. They scattered to the four corners of the world. Many of them came to the United States and penetrated what President Dwight D. Eisenhower termed “the military-industrial com-plex.”

(...)

... by most criteria, the once-free constitutional republic of the United States had become a National Socialist nation, an empire of the creators of the Third Reich—a Fourth Reich. If this assessment seems harsh and unbelievable, read on."



The Rise of The Fourth Reich ("http://redpillmedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/The-Rise-of-the-Fourth-Reich-Jim-Marrs1.pdf) - Jim Marrs - 447 pages - 2009

[Cidersomerset]

Hitler's Death The Final Report - Operation Myth

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This is an interresting documentry about the
final Soviet enquiry into Hitlers death,with
interviews with many people involved at the
time.Including Major Roper, again only
clears up the official version,but worth a
watch for reference.

[Prodigal Son]

This does not surprise me at all... and I've heard it before but I don't remember where. Hitler was simply transported to Argentina in Operation Paperclip and the Vatican Rat Lines where he was given asylum by Juan Peron.

It makes all the sense in the world... Hitler, an illegitimate Rothschild, was a puppet recruited at the Thule Society and did as he was told. He repeatedly made tactical blunders going against his military advisors that cost Germany what was a guaranteed victory. Two in particular was the inexplicable diversion of troops to Leningrad instead of going straight to Moscow and also allowing the British to escape from Dunkirk. He served his masters well and was rewarded with asylum.

As for Dwight Eisenhower, raised as a Jehovah's Witness (the Zionist's War God), totally complicit in the game to extend the war and maximize casualties, he made it to OneEvil.org's list of 25 most evil people....

http://one-evil.org/content/people_20c_eisenhower.html

Hitler, Eisenhower and Churchill... the Three Stooges of Death

[Cidersomerset]

Another interresting article.....although he does seem
to believe Bin laden was alive until killed in Pakistan.
So loses a bit of cred imo for that..LOL..But worth a look.
We know 'paper clip' was fact and the US today has been
infiltrated by the 'Global Corporate Fascist Elite'....

JuLPMCxvBf8

Uploaded on 18 Oct 2011


Nazi leader Adolf Hitler did not kill himself in Berlin in 1945 but ended his days in
Argentina, a new book has claimed.

British journalist Gerrard Williams has told Sky News he and co-author Simon
Dunstan found an "overwhelming amount of evidence" to suggest Hitler died an old
man in South America.

Many historians say the Nazi leader died in his Berlin bunker in 1945 - but Williams
claims their research, looking at newly de-classified documents and forensic tests,
challenges this.

"We didn't want to re-write history, but the evidence we've discovered about the
escape of Adolf Hitler is just too overwhelming to ignore," he said.

"There is no forensic evidence for his, or Eva Braun's deaths, and the stories from
the eyewitnesses to their continued survival in Argentina are compelling."

Grey Wolf: The Escape Of Adolf Hitler claims the Fuhrer and his mistress Eva Braun
were secretly flown out of Germany in April 1945 and taken to fascist-controlled
Argentina.

It is alleged Hitler lived in the country for 17 years, initially raising his two
daughters, until his death in 1962.The book also accuses US intelligence of being
complicit in the scam in return for access to Nazi war technology.

"Stalin, Eisenhower and Hoover of the FBI all knew there was no proof of him dying
in the bunker," Williams told Sky News.

"It's difficult to understand why so much of the already published material we
present in the book has been ignored over the years."

He added that the book's new findings prove the "Hitler" skull fragments held by
the Russians are actually that of a young woman.Williams said he and Dunstan
conducted intensive field research in Argentina, including interviews with many
eyewitnesses to Hitler's presence there.

"It's only now that Argentina is once more a thriving democracy that the real
stories are beginning to come out," he said.

"Even so, two of our eyewitnesses received death threats from persons unknown
while working with us on this book."

The film Grey Wolf is currently in production and is expected to be released in
January.

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This is a follow up to the Sky interview on Red Ice

Gerrard Williams - The Escape Of Adolf Hitler

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Published on 5 Mar 2012


redicecreations.com

Henrik Palmgren of Red ice radio interviews Gerrard Williams about his book: "Grey
Wolf". About Adolf Hitlers escape from Berlin in April of 1945.

At Midnight on April 27th 1945 Adolf Hitler, Eva Braun, and her brother in-law SS
General Hermann Fegelein slipped away from the hell of the Führerbunker through
a secret tunnel in Hitler's personal quarters in the devastated Reich Chancellory to
the Berlin Underground. They were replaced by doubles chosen by Reichsfuhrer
Martin Bormann and his close associate SS-General Heinrich "Gestapo" Mueller.
After five years of research, journalist, writer and film director Gerrard Williams,
along with Military Historian Simon Dunstan, have finally pieced together the real
story of the death of Adolf Hitler. Previously unpublished intensive field research in
Argentina, including interviews with many eyewitness to his presence there, new
findings that prove the "Hitler" skull fragments held by the Russians are actually
that of a young woman, and previously unpublished scientific evidence proving
Hitler had a double being used in public in Berlin as late as March 1945 make the
story compelling. Gerrard joins us to discuss "Grey Wolf - The Escape of Adolf
Hitler," one of the biggest confidence tricks in history.

[kaon]

I have always believed that Hitler had escaped to Argentina. Regardless of whether he went to Argentina or Antarctica, common sense dictates that he escaped to "someplace". I never did buy the "going down with the ship" story that has been spoon fed to the populace.

[Carmody]

This does not surprise me at all... and I've heard it before but I don't remember where. Hitler was simply transported to Argentina in Operation Paperclip and the Vatican Rat Lines where he was given asylum by Juan Peron.

It makes all the sense in the world... Hitler, an illegitimate Rothschild, was a puppet recruited at the Thule Society and did as he was told. He repeatedly made tactical blunders going against his military advisors that cost Germany what was a guaranteed victory. Two in particular was the inexplicable diversion of troops to Leningrad instead of going straight to Moscow and also allowing the British to escape from Dunkirk. He served his masters well and was rewarded with asylum.

As for Dwight Eisenhower, raised as a Jehovah's Witness (the Zionist's War God), totally complicit in the game to extend the war and maximize casualties, he made it to OneEvil.org's list of 25 most evil people....

http://one-evil.org/content/people_20c_eisenhower.html

Hitler, Eisenhower and Churchill... the Three Stooges of Death

Eisenhower broke with his situation at the end. He warned the population.

What Eisenhower never seemed to understand and what others never seem to understand is the one thing.

Fight them from step, stage, and moment one. Never step into their way and world.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Have you guys read those Forsyth novels about Nazi hunters?
I can't remember the name, gah!

Okay, I remember, it's called The Odessa File.

It talks about Nazis using the SS ratlines to escape to countries like Argentina and Paraguay!
This novel actually resulted in the capture of a real Nazi by the Simon Wiesenthal Center !!!

It is not only possible but entirely probable, within the realm of actual fact,
that many high ranking/high powered Nazis successfully escaped to South America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal

Simon Wiesenthal Center
Main article: Simon Wiesenthal Center


Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles
The Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles was founded in 1977 by Rabbi Marvin Hier using large donations from philanthropists Samuel Belzberg and Joseph Tennenbaum.[88][89] Hier's organisation paid Wiesenthal an honorarium for the right to use his name.[90] The center helped with the campaign to remove the statute of limitations on Nazi crimes and continues the hunt for suspected Nazi war criminals, but today its primary activities include Holocaust remembrance, education, and fighting antisemitism.[91][92] The center's Holocaust museum, the largest in the United States, opened in 1993.[93] Moriah Films, the media division, has won two Academy Awards, including one for the documentary Genocide (1982).[94] Wiesenthal was not always happy with the way the center was run. He thought the museum was not dignified enough and that he should have a larger say in the overall operations. He even wrote to the Board of Directors requesting Hier's removal, but in the end had to be content with being a figurehead.[95]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa

During World War II, from 1941–1944, Odessa was subject to Romanian administration, as the city had been made part of Transnistria.[6]



Soviet gun crew in action at Odessa in 1941
Following the Siege of Odessa, and the Axis occupation, approximately 25,000 Odessans were murdered in the outskirts of the city and over 35,000 deported; this came to be known as the Odessa Massacre. Most of the atrocities were committed during the first six months of the occupation which officially began on 17 October 1941, when 80% of the 210,000 Jews in the region were killed.[7] After the Nazi forces began to lose ground on the Eastern Front, the Romanian administration changed its policy, refusing to deport the remaining Jewish population to extermination camps in German occupied Poland, and allowing Jews to work as hired labourers. As a result, despite the tragic events of 1941, the survival of the Jews in this area was higher than in other areas of occupied eastern Europe.[7]

The city suffered severe damage and sustained many casualties over the course of the war. Many parts of Odessa were damaged during both its siege and recapture on 10 April 1944, when the city was finally liberated by the Red Army. It was one of the first four Soviet cities to be awarded the title of "Hero City" in 1945, though some of the Odessans had a more favourable view of the Romanian occupation, in contrast with the Soviet official view that the period was exclusively a time of hardship, deprivation, oppression and suffering – claims embodied in public monuments and disseminated through the media to this day.[8] Subsequent Soviet policies imprisoned and executed numerous Odessans (and deported most of the German and Tatar population) on account of collaboration with the occupiers.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odessa_File


The Odessa File is a thriller by Frederick Forsyth, first published in 1972, about the adventures of a young German reporter attempting to discover the location of a former SS concentration-camp commander.

The name ODESSA is an acronym for the German phrase "Organisation der Ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen", which translates as “Organization of Former Members of the SS”. The novel alleges that ODESSA is an international Nazi organization established before the defeat of Nazi Germany for the purpose of protecting former members of the SS after the war instead of a war veterans' group.

[edit]Plot

In November 1963, shortly after the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Peter Miller, a German freelance crime reporter, follows an ambulance to the apartment of Salomon Tauber, a Jewish Holocaust-survivor who has committed suicide. The next day, Miller is given the dead man's diary by a friend in the police. After reading Tauber's life story and learning that Tauber had been in Riga Ghetto commanded by Eduard Roschmann, "The Butcher of Riga", Miller resolves to search for Roschmann. Miller's attention is especially drawn to one diary passage in which Tauber describes having seen Roschmann shoot a German Army Captain who was wearing an unusual military decoration.

Miller pursues the story and visits the State Attorney General's office and other offices where he learns that no one is prepared to search for or prosecute former Nazis. But his investigations take him to the famed war-criminal investigator Simon Wiesenthal, who tells him about the society "ODESSA".

Miller is approached by a group of Mossad agents who have vowed to search for German war criminals and kill them and have been attempting to infiltrate Odessa. Miller is asked to infiltrate ODESSA and agrees. A former SS member who is working with the team of Israeli agents trains him to pass for a former SS sergeant. Miller visits a lawyer working for ODESSA and after passing a severe scrutiny is sent to meet a passport forger who supplies those members who wish to escape.

Slowly Miller unravels the entire system. But Miller's identity has been compromised, in part by his ill-advised decision to use his own car; the impoverished SS man he is impersonating would not have been able to afford a sports car, and ODESSA sets its top hit man on Miller's trail. Miller escapes one trap by sheer luck; the hit man then installs a bomb in Miller's car, but because the sports car has a very stiff suspension the bomb is not triggered while Miller is driving it.

Eventually Miller confronts Roschmann at gunpoint and forces him to read from Tauber's diary. Roschmann admits to killing the German Army captain, now revealed to have been Miller's father, and attempts to justify his actions. Miller tells Roschmann that he doesn't care about Roschmann's Jewish victims; he is there to avenge the death of his father. Miller, momentarily off guard, is disarmed and knocked unconscious by another ODESSA man who leaves in Miller's car but is killed when he drives over a snow-covered pole and detonates the bomb. Roschmann manages to escape, eventually flying to Argentina. The hit man who has been sent to kill Miller is instead killed by an Israeli agent.

While Miller is recovering in hospital, he is told what happened while he was unconscious. Josef, his contact, warns him not to tell anyone the story. He does disclose that with Roschmann (code-named "Vulkan") in Argentina, West German authorities (at the urging of the Israelis) will close Roschmann's radio factory where a rocket guidance system is being secretly developed for the Egyptian army. ODESSA's plan to obliterate the State of Israel by combining German technological know-how with Egyptian biological weapons has been thwarted.

Josef, in reality Uri ben Shaul, an Israeli army officer, returns to Israel to be debriefed, and performs one final duty. He has taken Tauber's diary with him and per the last request in the diary, Uri visits Yad Vashem and says Kaddish for the soul of Salomon Tauber.

[edit]Film adaptation and SS Captain Eduard Roschmann

The film adaptation The Odessa File was released in 1974 starring Jon Voight and Maximilian Schell. It was directed by Ronald Neame with a score by Andrew Lloyd Webber. It is based rather loosely on the book, but it brought about the exposure of the real-life "Butcher of Riga", Eduard Roschmann. After the film was released to the public, he was arrested by the Argentinian police, skipped bail, and fled to Asunción, Paraguay where he died on 10 August 1977.

[edit]External links

Books portal
1970s portal
The Odessa File at the Internet Movie Database

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/world/europe/plot-to-kill-vladimir-putin-uncovered.html?_r=0

The report by the government-controlled broadcaster, Channel One, said the two suspects were arrested in the Ukrainian city of Odessa after surviving an explosion in an apartment there on Jan. 4. A third man died in the blast, which occurred while the men were mixing chemicals for an explosive device, according to the report. The authorities said the Chechen militant leader Doku Umarov had sent the three men to the city, Channel One reported.

One suspect, Ilya Pyanzin, was arrested immediately after the explosion and the second, Adam Osmayev, a month later, according to the report.

“We were told to first go to Odessa and study how to prepare a bomb,” Mr. Pyanzin told the authorities in a recorded deposition. “In Moscow, we were to sabotage economic sites — and then assassinate Putin.”


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18553813

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele


In Buenos Aires, Mengele at first worked in construction, but soon came in contact with influential Germans, who allowed him an affluent lifestyle in subsequent years. He also got to know other Nazis in Buenos Aires, such as Hans-Ulrich Rudel and Adolf Eichmann. In 1955, he bought a 50 percent share of Fadro Farm, a pharmaceutical company; the same year, he divorced his wife, Irene. Three years later, he married Martha Mengele in Uruguay, the widow of his younger brother, Karl Jr.; she then went to Argentina with her 14-year-old son, Dieter. Mengele lived with his family in a German-owned boarding house in the Buenos Aires suburb of Vicente Lopez from 1958 to 1960.[27] While in Buenos Aires, Mengele practiced medicine, specializing in illegal abortions, and was briefly detained by police on one occasion for the death of a patient during an abortion.[28]

He was doing well in South America, yet Mengele feared being captured, especially after news of Eichmann's capture and subsequent trial were revealed. Thus, he left Argentina in 1962 and moved to Paraguay after managing to get a Paraguayan passport in the name of "José Mengele".[27]

Shortly after the capture of Eichmann in May 1960 by the Israeli Mossad, Mengele was spotted at his home. Agents of Mossad debated whether or not also to kidnap him. However, they still had Eichmann in a safe house inside Argentina, and determined that it would not be possible to conduct another operation at the same time. By the time Eichmann had been brought out of the country, Mengele had escaped to Paraguay.[29]

Isser Harel, Chief Executive of the Secret Services of Israel (1952–1963), personally presided over the successful effort to capture Eichmann in Buenos Aires. In his account of the operation, he reports no sightings of Mengele in 1960, but feels that they might have got him if they could have moved more quickly. When asked about the secondary target by the co-pilot who helped transport Eichmann at the time, he claims to have told him that "had it been possible to start the operation several weeks earlier, Mengele might also have been on the plane." They checked on the last known location for Mengele in Argentina, but he had apparently moved on just two weeks earlier.[30]

:spy: :flame: :spy:

[Cidersomerset]

It talks about Nazis using the SS ratlines to escape to countries like Argentina and Paraguay!
This novel actually resulted in the capture of a real Nazi by the Simon Wiesenthal Center !!!

I put up several posts about the rat line, must have been on someone elses thread.I just look
thru my archives and could not see it, although i did find a couple of related threads.
Peter Lavenda on coast speculates Hitler ended up in Singpore, and a interview with
Rochus Misch who stand by his story that Hitler did die in the bunker....



Hitler's Escape - Coast to Coast AM 13.5.2012 - with author Peter Levenda

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45142-Hitler-s-Escape-Coast-to-Coast-AM-13.5.2012-with-author-Peter-Levenda


Rochus Misch...The Last Witness...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31875-Rochus-Misch...The-Last-Witness...

[Carmody]

Men of that cunning and intelligence, with a capacity to make incredibly intricate plans and carry them out over decades of time.....those sorts of men don't make such simple mistakes as dying in bunkers.


they think nothing of using multiple nations to drive their desires, killing millions to get it done...then they think nothing of deserting them (the countries) -in less than a few seconds.

These are the kinds of people who had back up plans -for the backup plans - for the back up plans.

They don't just go 'oh well', shrug, ..start shaking... and fall into a crying heap, and blow their brains out.

That's horse****.

Nice dream scenario for folks to believe, like a bad soap opera....but I didn't for one second believe that.

[araucaria]

Not defending Eisenhower but that list of evil men quoted by Prodigal son should IMO be taken with a certain amount of caution. To list every pope up to Paul VI, sometimes mostly on the basis of their leading the Catholic church, is a black-and-white view that leads to inconsistencies such as Paul VI murdering his best friend Aldo Moro. Coming full circle back to Patton, Paul’s chosen successor, John Paul I, actually met him at the graveside of a brave but gay GI, being the only ones with the courage to officiate. See Lucien Gregoire, Murder in the Vatican, p.185-94.