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jimmer
21st October 2011, 19:54
check out this video of a tea party 'activist'
who was invited to talk at Occupy San Diego.
this guy is pure class.

what's your take on his message?

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161803398
21st October 2011, 20:07
He stinks.

13th Warrior
21st October 2011, 20:51
Infiltrator Alert!!!

Check out Ricky's background:

http://amatotalk.com/about-rick/


Good on those in the crowd that stated "We will not be co-opted"!

58andfixed
22nd October 2011, 00:08
Many are attempting to pigeon-hole this social movement, and the more aware the participants are, the sooner someone steps in to correct the 'labeling' or 'subverting' this "movement" into anyone's political agenda.

The changing of the paradigm of obedience, doing as one is told, and not questioning authority -- to 'go along, to get along' is at the threshold of change.

"You can believe what you want to believe, and I will believe what I want to believe," and acts of active denial are approaching their end as a tool of social engineering.

Contestability, transparency and active participation will be values of substance that will replace materialism, selfishness, greed and denial.

The more that the participants know what is taking place, and can explain it to others so that they too can understand the core issue at hand, is the sooner that social change will materialize.

The event was not a circus. It allowed for perspective and differences to be spoken. It challenged any labeling as a Socialist or as a non/anti-Socialist agenda.

- 58

jimmer
22nd October 2011, 00:37
Infiltrator Alert!!!

Check out Ricky's background:

http://amatotalk.com/about-rick/


Good on those in the crowd that stated "We will not be co-opted"!


ah, he says in his introduction that he's a radio guy and tea party activist.
no astroturfing there.

the occupy folks might want to ask themselves the same thing.

Lost Soul
22nd October 2011, 01:13
I approve his message. The Tea Party has been vilified by the (big money owned) mainstream media. It then got co-opted by the Republicans (which in my eyes discredits it). However, their basic thesis of reduced government spending and limited government is something I think we can all agree on. What a lot of people haven't seen yet is that the Occupy movement has a lot in common with the so called conservatives (I mean fiscally conservative, not war mongering neo-cons like Cheney or Dubya). Both are frustrated with the elected leadership. Both are frustrated with the deficit spending. Both want accountability. Both want us out of the burden of the banker created debt imposed by TPTW that threaten what's left of our lifestyle.

If they can see past their differences, they can unite and reclaim America and rebuild her. A quick jumpstart would be to change most of the elected officials. Dump 'em and make them get a real job. Reimpose Glass- Steagall and outlaw derivative trading. Indict the bankers who created the scams and imprison them like the S&L CEOs who stole over $180 billion dollars back in the '80s. Seize back the money stolen under TARP and let the Too Big To Fail fail. We must also reimpose tariffs and renounce all free trade agreements. One more thing, the U.S. out of the UN and the UN out of America.

Asyloth
22nd October 2011, 01:17
I think that whoever's background you look at, you'll always find mistakes, myself included.
But the speaker appears sincere to me and even though he seems to have difficulties understanding the mentality of the uprisings and seems to have a habbit of labelising things.
At least he makes the effort to come and talk to the people, and he also looks open minded and ready to change his opinions.
The young guy explained very well how this has nothing to do with capitalism, socialism, anarchism or any other "ism". This is just people waking up to the fact that they live in a messed up world leaded by psychopathic people that just want to find a collective solution for the survival of our species no matter the little differences.

Asyloth
22nd October 2011, 01:28
I approve his message. The Tea Party has been vilified by the (big money owned) mainstream media. It then got co-opted by the Republicans (which in my eyes discredits it). However, their basic thesis of reduced government spending and limited government is something I think we can all agree on. What a lot of people haven't seen yet is that the Occupy movement has a lot in common with the so called conservatives (I mean fiscally conservative, not war mongering neo-cons like Cheney or Dubya). Both are frustrated with the elected leadership. Both are frustrated with the deficit spending. Both want accountability. Both want us out of the burden of the banker created debt imposed by TPTW that threaten what's left of our lifestyle.

If they can see past their differences, they can unite and reclaim America and rebuild her. A quick jumpstart would be to change most of the elected officials. Dump 'em and make them get a real job. Reimpose Glass- Steagall and outlaw derivative trading. Indict the bankers who created the scams and imprison them like the S&L CEOs who stole over $180 billion dollars back in the '80s. Seize back the money stolen under TARP and let the Too Big To Fail fail. We must also reimpose tariffs and renounce all free trade agreements. One more thing, the U.S. out of the UN and the UN out of America.

I hear what you say but from my point of view, this is not just about america, this is a global issue, if you're just standing for america you won't fix the problem at its source, you might make a better situation for america for a while, but they'll just build new headquarters in Europe or China, so this makes no sense. We have to deal with this globaly.
And about the UN, from our european (belgian) point of view, America is more or less the tyran of the UN since America is the only country with a right of veto, so even if all the united nations agree on something and that America puts his veto than it doesn't pass.... What's the point of having a UN if America can stop on its own everything that doesn't please them? How democratic is that? It's more like the UNA, united nations of america...

Lost Soul
22nd October 2011, 01:42
Asyloth - you're right and thank you for correcting my narrow post. The issue is indeed global and not just isolated to one nation. We are all aboard the spaceship Earth and TPTW seek to ruin us and subjugate mankind. The people of the world are awakening as evidenced by the Arab Spring which became the European Summer and now the American Fall. We have all suffered banker created inflation that ruins our earnings, savings and retirement and threatens our ability to feed, clothe and house ourselves.

BTW, I'm against the UN because the UN is a tool of TPTW. Look up Agenda 21 and then look up the track record of the UN peace keeping forces that allows the slaughter of refugees. Under the present condition, I think mankind can do better without a Rockefeller institution like the UN.

Asyloth
22nd October 2011, 02:02
Lost Soul - Let's hope for a chinese or asian winter next and we'll all be in it together :)
Yeah I totally agree with you about the UN being a tool of TPTW. They have so many tools... :(

ghostrider
22nd October 2011, 04:51
the guy just wanted to bash Obama, he came across genuine about the movement in spite of his Obama bashing. point the finger at all politicians and banks and wall street, and big corporations, not just at democrats.

jimmer
22nd October 2011, 14:57
I just finished watching a two part documentary on how the german people,
looking the other way and succumbing to political forces, allowed the third reich
to run amuck. (thanks goes to this forum for posting part 1)

the tea party guy's point is: it's politics in bed with big biz that has created
many of our financial problems. crony capitalism is rotting the system, its people.
(this time around think: Obama + GE, Solyndra, wall street campaign donations, et al.).
in truth, the destruction of our housing market (and the global economy)
was initiated by political meddling of that market, triggering wall street and bankers to follow suit.
they were all dancing to the same tune.

the point is, we have the ability to demand true transparency, honesty
and political accountability. it's called the ballot box.

if you're interested, here are links to that documentary:

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Mad Hatter
22nd October 2011, 17:50
This guy was spot on regarding crony capiltalism and the incestuous nature of the relationship between vested interests and the law makers buy I'm not so sure that the take home message of 'get the money out of politics' sank too far into the heads of most of that crowd...

Cartomancer
22nd October 2011, 18:19
We all need to change the way things work and then hammer out the political dynamics of socialism and conservatism. We are all getting screwed on both ends of the spectrum. I wish we could socialize the military industrial complex. If we take the profit motive out of killing things will change. The air force should make their own airplanes and the army should make their own bullets with no profit motive. This would also insure that those employed in those industries would be treated equitably.That is one form of socialism I am in favor of. Otherwise a free market is a good thing as long as the cronies and secret societies can't come to dominate it. This single issue has driven all of the evil and bad things in the world. As long as these people can make money from heroin and gunpowder we are doomed. They will do what ever it takes to protect their monopoly of these items. Check the history.

jimmer
22nd October 2011, 18:22
This guy was spot on regarding crony capiltalism and the incestuous nature of the relationship between vested interests and the law makers buy I'm not so sure that the take home message of 'get the money out of politics' sank too far into the heads of most of that crowd...

agreed, madM.
plus, I think now that the occupy groups are getting scrutiny, their hedging on the radical stuff a bit more.
still lots of radical beliefs and wants, just pitching it more 'democratically.' PR.

in NY, a rassmusan survey showed that almost 40% of occupy equated capitalism to al qeada.
dislike wall street all you want, but that's pure nonsense, totally misguided and dangerous for all
of us if a majority starts thinking that way.

right minded people need to start to speak up, like the tea party guy.

when everyone has the time, watch the two part docu. to see what can happen, in the extreme,
when a society does not speak up.
3 hr. that you will not forget.