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Ba-ba-Ra
24th October 2011, 21:30
Per Calleman he sees three possible alternatives that may follow after the universe has attained its highest state which he believes begins on 10/28/2011:

The first and most dramatic alternative, is that all waves - as well as the tzolkin cycle - come to an end. This would likely mean an abrupt end to all future energetic regulation of our lives and actions and a sort of freedom shock. Life would be lived fully moment by moment by moment and each moment would be an eternity that would not be organically linked to other moments.

The second alternative, which I am currently leaning towards, is that the waves end, after having accomplished their evolutionary purposes, but the tzolkin continues to provide some energetic background variation. This would still mean living moment by moment without any waves directing our evolution, but a daily variation of tzolkin energies could prevent us from experiencing life as completely timeless.

The third alternative is that not only the tzolkin, but also the nine creation waves (Underworlds) continue indefinitely and the total of peaks and valleys not limited to thirteen. This would still mean that we would no longer be subordinated to directed processes going from seed to mature fruit, but it would not mean that life would be like an eternal now. Rather, all the waves that are currently driving our evolution would continue after the attainment of unity consciousness, but really without any end.

Complete article: http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/End_of_calendar_SolarFlares_and_EarthChanges.htm

Carmody
24th October 2011, 21:49
and this song... that started playing as I read this thread's opening post. Which carries the sentiment very well. It's still playing right now....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHV5o8bqK3w

EileenCookies
24th October 2011, 23:51
I resonate with prediction two and somewhat with three.

WyoSeeker
25th October 2011, 03:42
Fourth option is it's all hokey pokey and nothing changes. Still keeping my fingers crossed for everything to collapse though.

aranuk
25th October 2011, 04:29
My view is that none of the above alternatives are coming. Although I have had sleep problems in the last week I still don't think and feel that there is anything unworldly happening. I am going on holiday for a week to Spain and hope to return home after a week.

Stan

OnyxKnight
26th October 2011, 13:28
Per Calleman he sees three possible alternatives that may follow after the universe has attained its highest state which he believes begins on 10/28/2011:

The first and most dramatic alternative, is that all waves - as well as the tzolkin cycle - come to an end. This would likely mean an abrupt end to all future energetic regulation of our lives and actions and a sort of freedom shock. Life would be lived fully moment by moment by moment and each moment would be an eternity that would not be organically linked to other moments.

The second alternative, which I am currently leaning towards, is that the waves end, after having accomplished their evolutionary purposes, but the tzolkin continues to provide some energetic background variation. This would still mean living moment by moment without any waves directing our evolution, but a daily variation of tzolkin energies could prevent us from experiencing life as completely timeless.

The third alternative is that not only the tzolkin, but also the nine creation waves (Underworlds) continue indefinitely and the total of peaks and valleys not limited to thirteen. This would still mean that we would no longer be subordinated to directed processes going from seed to mature fruit, but it would not mean that life would be like an eternal now. Rather, all the waves that are currently driving our evolution would continue after the attainment of unity consciousness, but really without any end.

Complete article: http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/End_of_calendar_SolarFlares_and_EarthChanges.htm

Here's a prediction: When time does not stop, or anything of the said does not occur, this person suddenly disappears and is unable to be contacted to provide any answer to what has happened to his "alternatives".

Like they all do.

Three alternatives and this is what he came up with? Its like grey, grey with a pinch of white, and grey with a pinch of black. To somebody reading this for the first time its all grey to the hey.

Things are just starting up, and gaining momentum. This fella should invent things a bit more cautiously.

NeoEmc2
26th October 2011, 16:33
My prediction:

The nothing appears to have done nothing at all, we all get picked up by Falcor and take a ride through Fantasia!

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Sorry I couldn't resist.

I'm hoping something good comes out of all the bad that the earth and humanity have been experiencing. I don't want to concentrate on predictions. I just want to BE.

Peace to all.

Feritciva
28th October 2011, 09:11
Something I don't understand: Why you people are reading this or searching for such topics if you DON'T believe anything will happen? Seriously? Why not carry on with your lives and worry about money or finances or social life, picking up a girl/guy, having a drink with firends?

NeverMind
28th October 2011, 09:47
Something I don't understand: Why you people are reading this or searching for such topics if you DON'T believe anything will happen? Seriously? Why not carry on with your lives and worry about money or finances or social life, picking up a girl/guy, having a drink with firends?

There is no simple answer, because it's not about a single "type" of person.
Some, I am sure, read such topics hoping for an opportunity to say "I told you so" when nothing happens (again); others visit them to allay their own fears by ridiculing the very thing that scares them.
But most of us - if I may venture such an estimate - are simply reading all sorts of threads and messages and articles because we want to know how other people think.
And these - all the fluff surrounding them notwithstanding - are very serious topics, with potentially far-reaching implications.

Believe me, I can understand the "apocalyptic joy" that seems to be underlying these hopes.
But I still think - with the usual intellectual reservations intact - that each one of us really do inhabit a world of our own, and that if there is to be an "ascension" - or an "end of the world", if you will - it is always going to be a highly intimate, individual process.

It is true, however, that other people's views and opinions and expectations may sway us from time to time.
Which is why spreading ANY expectations may not be the most reponsible act, but it certainly is worth discussing - by everyone, because eventually it implicates all of us.
Think about it: what will eventually happen to the intellectual and psychological frame of all those people who have grown to expect their - "our" - salvation, or the arrival of a Deus ex machina, on a specific date, when date after date fall through...?

I am hoping at least December 2012 will put these prospects to rest - for the benefit of everyone.
(But I am - truly - somewhat concerned about the impact that hundreds of thousands of very disappointed people might have.)
Once this false framework of collective "upgrading" comes tumbling down - as painful as it may be for a while, for some - it will be the healthiest thing that could have happened.

And, of course, I could be wrong about this.
I have no problem with that. :)

Feritciva
28th October 2011, 10:11
Great post NeverMind, thanks for that. Over the years I'm seriously bored of people saying "nothing will happen", "everything will go on as it is", "these are all woo-woo" etc. My question was an honest wonder: why are they searching then?

Let's say you are sitting in a room, listening to what everybody say about outside world, i.e. there are forrests, there are streets, there is a sun in the sky etc. And all you see is your rooms walls you repeatedly say; "no there is NO forrest, NO streets. Nothing is up in the sky". Ok, so it is like that in the room. And why the struggle if you're not willing to get outside?

Sky
28th October 2011, 11:25
Cool thread and certainly today leaves me very thoughtful.

The world is in such a spot with banksters crushing the 99% that a lift in consciousness will be welcome.

The beginning of the fifth age... let it be so.

It sure is time for a greater awakening to real issues in the world.

Erich
28th October 2011, 11:51
Something I don't understand: Why you people are reading this or searching for such topics if you DON'T believe anything will happen? Seriously? Why not carry on with your lives and worry about money or finances or social life, picking up a girl/guy, having a drink with firends?

Well said and thank you. It's just as ridiculous to dis-believe Calleman and others as it is to believe him. None of us really know anything. If you don't have room in your imagination for beautiful ideas the world and life is just ugly. How sad. I hope Calleman knows exactly what he's talking about. I don't waste my time believing this or that. And I certainly don't want to be part of the ugly sarcasm and prideful posts that have already started popping up here. But I guess I am

Sky
28th October 2011, 12:44
Neat Erich - I completely concur.

To understand is to create space in consciousness for greater insight and knowledge...

WyoSeeker
29th October 2011, 15:04
Something I don't understand: Why you people are reading this or searching for such topics if you DON'T believe anything will happen? Seriously? Why not carry on with your lives and worry about money or finances or social life, picking up a girl/guy, having a drink with firends?

Speaking as one of the posters I'd suggest you have the mistaken impression that I don't do those things as well. Trust me, I've been working on the girl thing. :) Besides, we just had 10 inches of snow here and it's frickin' cold outside!

I do like the point you're making though, that life is to be lived - so cheers to that! Snow or no snow I'm going out tonight to drink some beer and play pool with my friends.

jorr lundstrom
29th October 2011, 16:44
First I would like to say Im greatful to Kalle ( common nickname for Carl in Sweden)

for the journey we have had together up to this moment. As I happen to be in a world

where nothing have to be proven I prefer to believe that the influx of energy is going

to increase ad infinitum. We are on a journey towards a holografic consciosness in

which each and everyone is tapped into the collective informationfield in the eternal

now, ie THE moment. Ian Xel Lungold described this condition in his presentation of

the Mayan Calender many years ago as the state where all that has ever happened,

all that is happening and all that is ever gonna happen takes place.

So right now we are at the beginning of the beginning, ie we have hardly seen

anything yet.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/condor2.jpg

Feritciva
29th October 2011, 18:04
Something I don't understand: Why you people are reading this or searching for such topics if you DON'T believe anything will happen? Seriously? Why not carry on with your lives and worry about money or finances or social life, picking up a girl/guy, having a drink with firends?

Speaking as one of the posters I'd suggest you have the mistaken impression that I don't do those things as well. Trust me, I've been working on the girl thing. :) Besides, we just had 10 inches of snow here and it's frickin' cold outside!

I do like the point you're making though, that life is to be lived - so cheers to that! Snow or no snow I'm going out tonight to drink some beer and play pool with my friends.

That's the spirit! :cool: So I'll toast my next beer for you Wyo!

And Jorr, great post #15! yes, we are @ the beginning!

vibrations
29th October 2011, 19:43
First I would like to say Im greatful to Kalle ( common nickname for Carl in Sweden)

for the journey we have had together up to this moment. As I happen to be in a world

where nothing have to be proven I prefer to believe that the influx of energy is going

to increase ad infinitum. We are on a journey towards a holografic consciosness in

which each and everyone is tapped into the collective informationfield in the eternal

now, ie THE moment. Ian Xel Lungold described this condition in his presentation of

the Mayan Calender many years ago as the state where all that has ever happened,

all that is happening and all that is ever gonna happen takes place.

So right now we are at the beginning of the beginning, ie we have hardly seen

anything yet.



I have similar feeling. Everything is moving in cycles, so the end of one cycle by the basic Universal laws has to mean the beginning of another. And as you say, we haven's seen anything yet.

And BTW, do you love birds;)

Lifebringer
29th October 2011, 20:04
I have faith that nothing this bad in the world with all thepeople of the world praying for betterment of human kind, that it won't be answered. All had to know of the theft, for the crooks to be caught.
All had to know of the way they control the masses, so the masses would rise up to be free.
All had to know of their corrupt government making deals with those who have the money and power to control the masses, so that they would vote, kick out, protest against unjust poverty and starvation in the world with all the wealth sitting in an offshore account while we the peons continue to feed the same beast destroying us for more money. They don't see the sickness of excess that has preverberated through their soul and are blind to anything but the next quarter's data results.

They have a cold heart towards the world's people, and the karma of the world's people having NO mercy on those who continue to do it.

WE are the blessed generation to see the changes of the hidden before our eyes, and the golden age of properity, once the crooks are out. You see, even in good conscious, we cannot leave the wolves in the hen houses for our children. The beast of greed, must be starved by the people by voting the beast out of the leadership houses, when they work for the polluters and murderous warmongers for profit.
They put a price on everyone and everything, and they intend to own it all.

NOT THIS TIME.

Ba-ba-Ra
29th October 2011, 20:44
I posted this elsewhere, but decided should repost here.

A full moon does not occur overnight - it's a 28-day process.

If something is occurring, it's a process in time, not an overnight happening. Surely we are all aware that there has been change. We all talk about time speeding up (which Calleman explains in his interpretation of the Mayan Calander). One would have to be in deep sleep to not notice that more things are happening in a shorter period of time. NASA tells us that all the planets in our solar system are becoming brighter (hotter). Perhaps that's the Universe's way of melting archtypes that are frozen to allow change in consciousness. (Ian Lungold explains this in his series of videos on the Mayan Calendar -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEyZFbkvJjw)

It's been my experience that for some time now (perhaps a year) it is easier to manifest. If you don't think you are manifesting your life, do some back-engineering. Look at what's coming at you and then honestly look at what you've been thinking and feeling that could have brought what's happening into your life.

Try letting go of some strong belief (really let go) and see what differences that makes in your future. Look at who you are attracting into your life. What could you have possibly been thinking to attract and validate your beliefs.

Try looking through someone else's perspective. A whole new world might just open up.

As for Calleman: What I originally posted to start this thread was only "his" interpretation when asked what he thought would happen. I don't believe he ever said: That's what would happen.

After listening to both Calleman & Lungold it seems they are both saying that the new energies coming in are prompting Unity Consciousness - they're not saying this will be easy or happen overnight.

jorr lundstrom
29th October 2011, 21:46
vibrations wrote:
And BTW, do you love birds

Yes I do love birds, have always loved birds. I love to study them, listen to

them, pat them and eat them . Here are a pair of Lovebirds,

Agapornis personata. Agape= love ornis=bird personata= masked

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/lovebirds.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezfUSJj_m-g

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