Why Iceland Should Be in the News, But Is Not

[risveglio]

How Iceland said no to the globalists.

http://sacsis.org.za/site/article/728.1

[christian]

"Each Icelandic citizen was required to pay 100 Euros a month (or about $130) for fifteen years, at 5.5% interest, to pay off a debt incurred by private parties vis a vis other private parties. The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts was shattered, transforming the relationship between citizens and their political institutions. As Icelanders went to vote, foreign bankers threatened to block any aid from the IMF. In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. But Icelanders didn't stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. The constituent’s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape."

Respect to my fellow freedomlovers :yo:

[Aryslan]

Excellent! It would appear that there are still some bastions of hope left, after all.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Would there be abny reason why this couldn't be implemented in other countries? Was it sucessful in iceland because of the polulation and size of the country?

PVM

[johnf]

Iceland seems to be the sole example of a country turning their economic "collapse" into a reestablishment of sovereignty.
So the world has a template from which to follow suit!
This seems to be the second most important item of focus for the occupy movement after the education of people to the falsity of fiat money.

[Lifebringer]

Very open and very doable.

[jorr lundstrom]

When the christian missionaries reached Iceland in the year 1000, they encountered
two groups, those who worshipped the Aesirs (Oden, Thors and that crowd) and
those who didnt. The first group was very easy to turn over to christianity. And when
the other group was asked wot they believed in, they said: We only believe in our
own power and strength. How do you make a tribe with those balls dance to the
music of international bangsters and multicriminal corporations?

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[Referee]

My football coach was the Icelandic National Team Goalkeeper very smart man. I played with many Icelanders at university great people.

[Lord Sidious]

Would there be abny reason why this couldn't be implemented in other countries? Was it sucessful in iceland because of the polulation and size of the country?

PVM

It would only be repeatable in a place where the individual is not so prominent and people can put the common good forward.
So, don't think this will happen in Australia.

[mosquito]

"Each Icelandic citizen was required to pay 100 Euros a month (or about $130) for fifteen years, at 5.5% interest, to pay off a debt incurred by private parties vis a vis other private parties. The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts was shattered, transforming the relationship between citizens and their political institutions. As Icelanders went to vote, foreign bankers threatened to block any aid from the IMF. In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. But Icelanders didn't stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. The constituent’s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape."

Respect to my fellow freedomlovers :yo:

THIS is democracy !

[Lord Sidious]

"Each Icelandic citizen was required to pay 100 Euros a month (or about $130) for fifteen years, at 5.5% interest, to pay off a debt incurred by private parties vis a vis other private parties. The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts was shattered, transforming the relationship between citizens and their political institutions. As Icelanders went to vote, foreign bankers threatened to block any aid from the IMF. In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. But Icelanders didn't stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. The constituent’s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape."

Respect to my fellow freedomlovers :yo:

THIS is democracy !

Be very careful with that ''d'' word.
Today it is in our favour.
Tomorrow they might decide that they might not like x and so they ban it.
Then we are back where we are now.

[Providence]

Call me a dreamer, but I think this can happen anywhere...

[Vitalux]

"Each Icelandic citizen was required to pay 100 Euros a month (or about $130) for fifteen years, at 5.5% interest, to pay off a debt incurred by private parties vis a vis other private parties. The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts was shattered, transforming the relationship between citizens and their political institutions. As Icelanders went to vote, foreign bankers threatened to block any aid from the IMF. In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. But Icelanders didn't stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. The constituent’s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape."

Respect to my fellow freedomlovers :yo:


Isn't that what Muammar Gaddafi tried with Libya? :confused:

When Iceland gets 10 inches from GOLD it will be taken from them. That is how it has been happening through the ages.
Go ask The past ruler of Iraq....opps.....he was killed .:confused:....Ok....go talk to John F Kennedy....Ooo.....he was killed. :confused:

[Lord Sidious]

Call me a dreamer, but I think this can happen anywhere...

I disagree.
Some things can't be transplanted.
For example, a controversial quote, but nonetheless, Hitler said that national socialism wasn't for export, it was for the Germanic peoples.
The reason being, the concept of volksgemeinschaft, which most ''western'' countries don't have, as the individual is more important than the collective.
This is why I say it wouldn't happen in Australia, people care little for the overall good and only for themselves, as a generalisation.

[haibane]

I think it's much easier for a population of 320 thousand people, rather culturally compact thanks among other things to its geographic isolation, to come to a consensus, then just about anywhere else. I agree they would be rather easy to subdue by military force, but such an action would only get enough priority if Iceland gained more significance, which would only increase if those events became more publicly known and could serve as an example and peoples of other countries start demanding the same. But still - very few countries are as isolated as Iceland and therefore much cheaper, if not outright profitable, to invade.

BTW I've been hearing rumours about events in certain - much smaller - communities in other places, having successfully forced their 'independence', which is however rather fragile and at the moment guaranteed pretty much only by the fact that no one talks about it, so I don't have any details (those in the know wouldn't share with me and I don't blame them), so I won't go into any further details or speculations.

[Ellisa]

I disagree with you regarding australian selfishness and independence. I think that there is a core of solidarity in the australian character which actually is discouraged by the powerful financial institutions and absent landlords who since the establishment of the country have exported the wealth elsewhere. There is a lot of manipulation going on to ensure the people do not ever discover their power.

I do agree it would not work, not only in Australia but also world wide. Iceland is in a unique position. It is very isolated and homogenous in population. Almost everyone is related to everyone else and culturally they are all similar to each other. This is very different to Europe, North America, and areas of SE Asia. Japan on the other hand would be similar in composition, and remember how quickly the earthquake was cleaned up... it was amazing.

Personally I enjoy living in a lively atmosphere that enjoys the contribution of many points of view, but it is harder to control, and repair. The enthusiasm for unrestrained growth and fiscal greed which let to the present mess is a burden that will fall hardest on those who can least afford it. In Iceland the population are used to high taxes and contributing to governments' spending in order that wealth is equally spread. Is that so in all countries? I doubt it.

[Flash]

Real democracy seems easier to manage in smaller communities. Iceland has below 1 million citizen if I am not wrong. In fact, 320,000 inhabitants. With this population, smaller than Quebec City or Ottawa, crooks are easier to recognize, embezelment easier to see, and decisions easier to make.

Add to this that you are on an Island, better be good cause you have nowhere to go fast enough lol.

I do like what they are doing, however, it is much much easier to get into agreement when the population is small, pretty much form an identical background (no cross cultural differences), and pretty well educated over all. This all means that they comprehend life basically the same way.

This kind of consensus if much harder to acquire in a multicultural society of 320,000,000 peoples. Communications are that much harder as well.

THis makes me think that real democracy may be possible only in small groups or localities. SMALL may be BEAUTIFUL after all.

[haibane]

I disagree with you regarding australian selfishness and independence. I think that there is a core of solidarity in the australian character which actually is discouraged by the powerful financial institutions and absent landlords who since the establishment of the country have exported the wealth elsewhere. There is a lot of manipulation going on to ensure the people do not ever discover their power.

I do agree it would not work, not only in Australia but also world wide. Iceland is in a unique position. It is very isolated and homogenous in population. Almost everyone is related to everyone else and culturally they are all similar to each other. This is very different to Europe, North America, and areas of SE Asia. Japan on the other hand would be similar in composition, and remember how quickly the earthquake was cleaned up... it was amazing.

Personally I enjoy living in a lively atmosphere that enjoys the contribution of many points of view, but it is harder to control, and repair. The enthusiasm for unrestrained growth and fiscal greed which let to the present mess is a burden that will fall hardest on those who can least afford it. In Iceland the population are used to high taxes and contributing to governments' spending in order that wealth is equally spread. Is that so in all countries? I doubt it.

I hope - and pray - that time will prove you right, and I think we'll see about that fairly soon. Regarding Japan: although it is an island and culturally compact, if not rigid, its cultural heritage, educational system etc. IMHO pretty much rule out any possibility of that nation to stand up politically against their leaders who are inherently inept and corrupt (which is basically a requirement for political career over there) - Japanese seem to be almost THE definition of sheeple.

[Lord Sidious]

I disagree with you regarding australian selfishness and independence. I think that there is a core of solidarity in the australian character which actually is discouraged by the powerful financial institutions and absent landlords who since the establishment of the country have exported the wealth elsewhere. There is a lot of manipulation going on to ensure the people do not ever discover their power.

I do agree it would not work, not only in Australia but also world wide. Iceland is in a unique position. It is very isolated and homogenous in population. Almost everyone is related to everyone else and culturally they are all similar to each other. This is very different to Europe, North America, and areas of SE Asia. Japan on the other hand would be similar in composition, and remember how quickly the earthquake was cleaned up... it was amazing.

Personally I enjoy living in a lively atmosphere that enjoys the contribution of many points of view, but it is harder to control, and repair. The enthusiasm for unrestrained growth and fiscal greed which let to the present mess is a burden that will fall hardest on those who can least afford it. In Iceland the population are used to high taxes and contributing to governments' spending in order that wealth is equally spread. Is that so in all countries? I doubt it.

The last time I saw any evidence of this ''core of solidarity'' that you speak of was in the mid to late 80's in the army.
It disappeared after that and I have never seen it since.
Well, except for 1% clubs.

[jorr lundstrom]

I think it's much easier for a population of 320 thousand people, rather culturally compact thanks among other things to its geographic isolation, to come to a consensus, then just about anywhere else. I agree they would be rather easy to subdue by military force, but such an action would only get enough priority if Iceland gained more significance, which would only increase if those events became more publicly known and could serve as an example and peoples of other countries start demanding the same. But still - very few countries are as isolated as Iceland and therefore much cheaper, if not outright profitable, to invade.

BTW I've been hearing rumours about events in certain - much smaller - communities in other places, having successfully forced their 'independence', which is however rather fragile and at the moment guaranteed pretty much only by the fact that no one talks about it, so I don't have any details (those in the know wouldn't share with me and I don't blame them), so I won't go into any further details or speculations.

I dont think its about the size of the population. I think its about wots in the collective heart
of the population. Its about realizing wot has true value and wot has not and to make
ones stand from that.
And I think its impossible to get to an agreement about anything
in a population were the individuals are so split in themselves, that when it comes down
to dust, nobody knows if they have been to the toilet or if they are on their way to the
toilet.
Do anyone think the prime minister on Iceland is the next on the list to be murdered by
the mad psychopaths who thinks they own this planet? Or why the talk about invasion?

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[jorr lundstrom]

Lord Sidious wrote:

Well, except for 1% clubs.

Well Nugget, I happen to know the president for one of those clubs here. He was
bad hurt in a traffic accident. Then there was no question about standing outside society.
He used societys hospital like anybody else. So there can be a little gap between talking
and walking. When it comes to solidarity, they seem to flung at each others throat as
all sick dogs would do. But I must say that they once had an exellent solidarity.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/gladagap.jpg

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious wrote:

Well, except for 1% clubs.

Well Nugget, I happen to know the president for one of those clubs here. He was
bad hurt in a traffic accident. Then there was no question about standing outside society.
He used societys hospital like anybody else. So there can be a little gap between talking
and walking. When it comes to solidarity, they seem to flung at each others throat as
all sick dogs would do. But I must say that they once had an exellent solidarity.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/gladagap.jpg

What choice would he have though, in the real world?
1% clubs don't have their own hospitals or things like that.
And yes, even some of them are losing their solidarity too.
Not the Big Red Machine though, as far as I know.

[mosquito]

Be very careful with that ''d'' word.
Today it is in our favour.
Tomorrow they might decide that they might not like x and so they ban it.
Then we are back where we are now.

I agree, my meaning is simply that this is an example or true democracy at work, people taking back the power over themselves.
Probably another reason why the Icelandic story isn't being aired for all to see.

[realitycorrodes]

Its about allowing the medium (tv, radio, newpapers, gossip) by which people get their information from to be based on "freedom of speech". Communication allows people to organise...once organised their power increases to make changes.

Lets face it it pretty much goes like this..

TPTB use force/violence/murder to subdue people against their will (Armies etc. )
Once forcefully in control against people's will,
TPTB take over the media so less obvious force has to be used, and more force over the mind (otherwise known as brainwashing)
Then TPTB forcefully take over the money supply so people can be robbed without having to use obvious force yet again.
If the people ever wake up, TPTB just bring out the army of mindless killers again
And the process starts all over again
Until the old slave race becomes too unmanagable - that it may become a genuine threat to TPTB
In that situation there is most likely a mass killing of most of the population.
Afterwhich, TPTB genetically engineer another slave race to do their bidding.
And theirstory repeats itself again!

Wishing Iceland well...I hope they are well armed!

[Seikou-Kishi]

Call me a dreamer, but I think this can happen anywhere...

I disagree.
Some things can't be transplanted.

Oh well, let's just lie back and take it then. Maybe if we try we will fail, but the odds of failing are significantly higher if we don't even try.

[Lord Sidious]

Call me a dreamer, but I think this can happen anywhere...

I disagree.
Some things can't be transplanted.

Oh well, let's just lie back and take it then. Maybe if we try we will fail, but the odds of failing are significantly higher if we don't even try.

Ya nugget.
You know that isn't what I meant.
Things need to be tailored to particular situations.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Call me a dreamer, but I think this can happen anywhere...

I disagree.
Some things can't be transplanted.

Oh well, let's just lie back and take it then. Maybe if we try we will fail, but the odds of failing are significantly higher if we don't even try.

Ya nugget.
You know that isn't what I meant.
Things need to be tailored to particular situations.

Oh wasn't it? Never mind then lol :D

[jcocks]

Iceland has lots of nice **BIG** volcanoes...

Food for thought.

[Curt]

Iceland has lots of nice **BIG** volcanoes...

Food for thought.

...And isn't it prone to earthquakes?.......

[Seikou-Kishi]

Iceland has lots of nice **BIG** volcanoes...

Food for thought.

Volcanoes that could be to HAARP what a nose is to a feather? That'd be one big sneeze.