Hoaglands take on YU55 Nov 9th onwards...

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hmmmm... further information on HY55 where and when and what is it?!!

Is YU55 a ship? Will it smash into the Moon? ...who knows... but some interesting tid bits about the dates when YU55 is closest to Earth

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[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Viking interesting follow on to his awake and aware presentation...

Charles Boldens vid mentioned by Richard....

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He says he is concerned for possible terrorist/ natural disasters that his employees & family has a plan for readiness.......Never heard anything like this unless something is coming...

If its just a friendly be prepaired message seems odd that the boss should give it and not the safety or security offices !!!1

[RMorgan]

Oh no!!! Hoaxland strikes again!!!

Now that Elenin is gone, he found another comet to blame!! Will this never end?

[Tony]

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[KosmicKat]

Oh no!!! Hoaxland strikes again!!!

Now that Elenin is gone, he found another comet to blame!! Will this never end?

Someone who makes the bulk of their living from the alternative media has to keep the plates spinning somehow.

[Lazlo]

I said it earlier and I'll repeat it here.

Hoagland sounds good when giving an interview, but when you take the time to slog through one of his books, the magic wears off quickly.

After Elenin, Hoagland has now entered a special place that I have. It's also occupied by such fascinating people as Sorcha Faal.

[Forevernyt]

It's like asking a girl to dance...sooner or later one of them is going to say yes.

If he keeps plugging away, one day, he'll get it right and we'll hear a big " SEE I TOLD YOU SO!"

But then, who will be listening?

[Cidersomerset]

The fun thing I have not followed the Ellinin hullaballoo when it was on the way in.As you probably all know its not a comet but possibly some kind of 'controlled' object ?

in Richards opinion and its all based on 19.5 and as he says 'crunch the numbers' if it changes its trajectory, it must be being guided and its due around,11,11,11,.....

He has done a Wilcock and stuck his neck out.......But don't worry it won't impact earth but if it hits the moon will leave an explosion that cannot be missed and he is urging all

amatuer astronomers to watch out for this event... It was this time last year that David got suckered in by 'Someone' that Obama was about to disclose the existance of ET's.....So maybe they are

trying to set up Richard ! to put a dent in his credibility ! Better get your disaster and supply plan sorted !!!! As per Mr. Charles Bolden Head of NASA...

Anyway whatever happens I won't think anyless of you Richard, you are still a legend in my book.....Cheer Steve..

[Carmody]

well, the thing of it is, you see, that the debris trail is still with us.

And that space, as we know it, in this vicinity is actually a highly charged or pressured electrical potential. This is also involving 'differentials' in charge. This ends up flowing like a nearly pure voltage like MHD effect.

Like spritzing a bit of water mist between two probes that are about , oh, a foot apart but charged oppositely, to a potential difference of millions of electron volts. You'd weaken the static field resistance in the vicinity and get an arc strike, right in the misted area.

When it comes to energy differentials regarding being a medium of transfer, this (field change compared to the surrounding areas) can and will change amplitude and possibly acceleration and or frequency of any electrostatic waves in the vicinity of the debris trail.

Like a weak spot on a highly pressured balloon, we come to the point, finally, were something might happen, if indeed it is slated to happen.

so, in effect, the juncture of the earth going through the debris trail of elinin combined with the YU55 asteroid, these two can bring about changes in the pressured flow system of plasma pressure that is the fundamental of the solar system. We are electrostatically balanced, in a flow system that is in a state of highly charged pressure differential, via these immense charge fields.

Let me put it to you this way: everything that John Hutchison does to create the 'Hutchison effect', those are the conditions of the fabric of the universe, to the tune of 99% of it is this 'charged plasma'.

it's all about voltage, frequency, ionic factors (what ions and their interactions) and thus--- is a system in electrostatic balance. This force is a trillion, trillion, trillion (1 with 39 zeros) times stronger than gravity.

So the danger has not passed, it is actually now, regarding any potential for a CME to be directed toward us..via this incredible pressured system, and then a debris trail of bits..with their charge and what they took (absorbed charge-change) from the sun's vicinity.

A CME or flare that might erupt, if one does... and follow the path of least resistance, which is down the debris trail of Elinin.

which points right at us.

Then the YU55 or whatever, coming in sideways from that, with an altogether DIFFERENT charge potential, again.

Read the title article.

http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_09.pdf

I'm not scare mongering, I'm just sayin'. If there ever was any potential for anything to go sideways, that time is now.

This also plays out astrologically, as a 'rouge' alignment in that context, with unknown meanings.

I'm going to go about my day normally... so I'm not putting much stock in it, one way or another. But I'm saying that the case for potential issues is in the NOW, not the past, or what not.

For example, the alignments of elinin and earthquakes, this fits with the electric universe model. Now this comes along, regarding being a direct earth (involvement) situation, not just 'alignments'.

[Cidersomerset]

That maybe is what Charles Bolden is refering , if something happens he wants his staff in situe and not worrying where their dependants are.....

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It just happens to coinside with FEMA first nationwide emergency exersice....

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a bit 9/11 and 7/7 ish, ........Hopefully just a coincidence..

[Carmody]

http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_09.pdf

In this same indicated article, is also the observation of the mechanics of the Van Allen belts (as above, so below). However, the connection is not made in the article or even inferred. But it is there.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Note my post of 10/28/11: US NAVY PREPARING HUGE TSUNAMI PREPAREDNESS EXERCISE FOR 11/9 & 10

Interesting date. Note on page 12, item #14 "In case of a real event happening during the exercise....."

I suppose since 911 & the London tube bombing both happening during an exercise event they now HAVE to include an item like this or..............!?!?!

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/002...14/211498e.pdf

[Cidersomerset]

I don't know how genuine this is ....

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Richard did say this could be a scenario under certain circumstances...

Anyway I'l be going to work as normal so whatever will be will be.....

[GlassSteagallfan]

Wow! It might hit our 'hollow' moon. So, it will look like...

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/ee/DeathStar2.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

So the danger has not passed, it is actually now, regarding any potential for a CME to be directed toward us..via this incredible pressured system, and then a debris trail of bits..with their charge and what they took (absorbed charge-change) from the sun's vicinity.
Your explanation makes a lot more sense to me - thanks Carmody.

[Bill Ryan]

in Richard's opinion and it's all based on 19.5

1) It's actually 19.47º -- not 19.5º. This is just the simpler, rounded-up number. Hoagland in his Awake and Aware presentation was claiming that -- for instance -- one of the times of one of the many statistical dates, on the clock, for Elenin (can't remember offhand which one, but it showed up on the JPL website) was 19:50 hours.

Hoagland made that mean 19.5... whereas 19.5 hours would actually be 19 hours 30 minutes, i.e. half past seven. In fact, it should be 19.47 hours, which would actually be 19 hours 28 mins. This (and much more) illustrates the pattern-seeking of Hoagland's analytical process.

2) I ran Hoagland's Awake and Aware presentation numbers (there were a lot of numbers!) past a friend of mine, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Statistics at CalTech -- also present at the conference. He agreed with me that Hoagland does not properly understand mathematical probability.

3) Like David Wilcock, I consider Richard Hoagland a good friend. Here, he's simply way wrong, displaying way more Rorschach-test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_test)-thinking than anything reasonably rational. ( I did tell him that when I saw him!)

[onawah]

Thanks Bill. Is there any agreement in insider circles that Hoagland's theory is likely regarding Elenin being an artificial construct, purposefully guided by some sentient or AI source?

[Bill Ryan]

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Still listening to this as I write. If I ever thought that I knew that something staggeringly wonderful might possibly occur in a couple of weeks' time, I'd not say a thing.

If something wonderful happens, it happens -- and we'll all find out, and presumably benefit. There's not long to wait. This is not the same as giving a warning of a possibly damaging event -- which, however silly or misguided, is a basically responsible thing to try to do.

If I were to try to predict a wonderful imminent event, and then it happened just as I had predicted, what would have driven me would have been nothing but ego. Think about it. :)



Thanks Bill. Is there any agreement in insider circles that Hoagland's theory is likely regarding Elenin being an artificial construct, purposefully guided by some sentient or AI source?

None that I'm aware of. And if they were, I would not believe them.

I'd assume, with excellent reason, that it was an attempt to discredit the messenger (in this case Hoagland). David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have recently been misinformed, and Hoagland may well be the next target.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill , I agree Whatever happens will happen , I don't normally go on these threads but I like Richard and if he's being set up for a fall, as I have already said...

I hope everyone will understand and accept, he is being genuine imho...cheers Steve

[Tony]

It is getting more and more difficult to know who to believe these days!

[Eric J (Viking)]

He's wrong...she's wrong...they are wrong...they are right...he is right...she is right...lol ...you gotta laugh hey...

What a bloody merry go round...sure is a mine field...

One things for sure folks ... one day we will know...for sure! ... :p


#Pie'n'eal ... that was funny ... :thumb:

viking

[woodshreder]

It seems everything we do is ego driven. We all do whats best for our ego dont we Bill ? can be as simple as the food we eat and enjoy and encourage others to try , (And if you dont mind me using your recent move to ecuador a an example) The place in which we choose to live. None of these things are to better the collective or humanity. Its our ego that makes choices in life.... Actually as I write this I realize that all the post on this forum are ego driven. Arent we all here to share knowledge. And its our ego that expresses that knowledge........ Im ranting my ego is out of control ....LOL
Peace Always Peace

[onawah]

I was amazed to hear Ben Fulford say on a recent interview that there is "a little" radiation in Fukushima.
That will seriously impact on his credibility, I would think, unless the ETs are really doing an incredible job of cleaning up and there's some real evidence of that.

[Hervé]

well, the thing of it is, you see, that the debris trail is still with us.

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True,

However, since the remnants of Elenin crossed the ecliptic on Sept. 13, anything not substantial that's left of Elenin has been blown above Earth ever since by the solar winds...

So, from an heliocentric point of view, Elenin is currently beyond Earth's orbit and way above Earth's ecliptic orbit.

The only time Earth would presumably run into anything left of that cloud of particles not blown away by solar winds would be Sept. 13 next year.

[kevlar]

Predicting something staggeringly wonderful is going to happen , that must be Love-mongering, or love porn I suppose .LOL

love kevlar

[onawah]

The wildness of some of Hoagland's theories make me wonder if there is some blackop program using a mind control device of some sort to mislead him.
I think there is truth in some of what he says, and that he is basically a sincere person, but some of his info --whew!! :whistle::crazy: :doh: :dizzy: :madgrin: :der:

[Bill Ryan]

It is getting more and more difficult to know who to believe these days!

Of those currently active --




Richard Dolan (always).
David Icke.
Leonid Elenin. :)
Very few others that I can think of!

There's a huge amount of irrationality and hysteria on the internet at the moment. It's reasonable to assume (if we step back just for a moment) that much of this has been deliberately created.

[Lazlo]

I've been reading so much lately that doesn't add up that I have seriously toned down my tin foil hat surfing. It mostly feels like a waste of time.

I'm not the gambling type, but I'll go so far as to wager $1 that when the next big "whatever" happens, no one will have accurately predicted it, but lot's of people will crawl out of the shadows to claim that they did.

[shadowstalker]

The lie is different at every level, something that Hoagland doesn't see when certain items are presented to him AT TIMES.
It's sad when things like that happen.
Not saying everything he stated was false just saying that he doesn't really see and understand everything that he thinks is right.
He is to busy being trusting in his contacts which in turn could have been lied to themselves.

Which in turn does not make Hoagland a hoaxer, he is just to trusting with some things, and some people.

[Hervé]

Another one who fell off the wagon is Len Horrowitz when he started spewing dirt on the late Ted Gunderson...

[Cidersomerset]

I know what you mean Lazlo by deffinition alot of what we watch and read is disinfo or misinterpretaion or just wrong, but as i have said many times, when you have hit
a dead end and have information overload, I like to go back to a few staples like, Roswell, Rendlesham, The Belgian flap, and look at some of the old military and pilot
sightings testomonies and say to myselfe they cannot all be wrong, and the bravery of reaserchers like Wendelle Stevens, David Icke and many others and especially Bill and Kerry

For without whom I would not be corresponding on the forum as its because of the synchrinicity of aquiring a computor and getting access to the web, and after googling UFO's one of the first sites I visited was Camelot just after it started so I was able to watch the interviews in order of how they were done and although I was into UFO documentries, I fell headfirst down the rabbit hole and here we are.........so all in all I feel we are on the cusp of something 'very big and enlightening'......

Cheers Steve

[lake]

Hi, haven't watched the vids, but will!

But since reading Bills post, have to now say that over the last 3 odd months, have been totally chased ( wont for a better word) by 19.47

I kid you not.

19.47 or 47 it would seem is occurring around me constantly?

I have no idea why.

Have tried to research this but the results really are nothing of substance.

Understand that it may be to do with the Merkabah.

But what in this place is true?

[Kindred]

The only time Earth would presumably run into anything left of that cloud of particles not blown away by solar winds would be Sept. 13 next year.


Actually, no. Next year, we'll be in a completely different part of space as shown in this excellent video about the motions of the planets about the Sun, which, itself, is probably spiraling along some axis within the arm of our galaxy. I think this aspect of Richard Hoagland's interpretation all the more amazing, considering the actual physics involved if, indeed, Elenin, YU55, etc, have been directed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NH5yK3ZN54

[Hervé]

The only time Earth would presumably run into anything left of that cloud of particles not blown away by solar winds would be Sept. 13 next year.


Actually, no. Next year, we'll be in a completely different part of space...

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Except that, that "cloud" is moving with us in that different part of space... if there is anything left of it...

[onawah]

Bill, would you care to go into some detail on what you consider to be the disinformation that David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have been passing on to us?
Do you think any actions have been taken to restrain the activities of the denizens of the underground cities, or that any of the bankster stories from BF are true?
In your opinion, is it a case of those stories being 100% wrong, or is it a case of just enough of it is true to keep the rumor mills going?
Bob Dean is very optimistic and says that the ETs are going to be taking more and more action to make their presence known and to curb the actions of TPTW.
You seem to disagree with this, judging from some of your comments, and have asserted it's more a case of us being unrealistic to think we can rely on help from ETs.
Can you tell us why you think this? Have you heard from many other sources on these stories as to their veracity?
Thanks!


I'd assume, with excellent reason, that it was an attempt to discredit the messenger (in this case Hoagland). David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have recently been misinformed, and Hoagland may well be the next target.

[apokalypse]

it's interesting that Hoagland friend Joseph Farrell have different view on Elenin and among other things...

http://www.thebyteshow.com/Audio/JosephPFarrell/JosephPFarrell_MagicOfSocialEngineering17_21Oct2011_TBS.mp3

one thing guys like Hoagland or even Project Camelot/Avalon may be on TPTB targeted list for disinfo...

facts or false information like et's-secret space programs which i'm not really into it, i'm only leave it as that consider as supplements. Now i'm really into David Icke work on spreading the Truth on our world which we should not be live in, or Alex Collier underlying message and philosophy.

[ROMANWKT]

Every time information like this starts to come out it goes viral, and then the big bump as it all falls to the ground as a non event., somebody is very interested to power up these non events continuously, its in somebody's interest, that these event are always a flop. go back a few years, and then come forward, all predictions a flop??

Possibility of reverse psychology making sure that all prediction stop going viral, so for a long period of CRYING WOLF, it would be in their interest that nobody is ready or aware, or interested. So do go viral with this information, but don't go cuckoo, just be very aware, and ready. I smell a rat here as well.

Regards to all
roman

[Tony]

This is not against Hoagland.

The illusionist uses the art of misdirection....not lies!
if you keep people looking up into the sky, they will not be looking at the ground. If you keep people looking at the outside, they will not be looking on the inside.

The people we know about, may not even be doing it consciously, as they have been misdirected. This is so easy to do!

In the spiritual world, misdirection is going on all the time by the occult. it is happening on this forum!

remember, 'Animal Farm'...Two legs bad, four legs good. Then four legs good, two legs better...


It is not lies at every level, that we should be worried about. They are too obvious.
It is misdirection at every level, which we should be aware of.

[Bill Ryan]

I'd assume, with excellent reason, that it was an attempt to discredit the messenger (in this case Hoagland). David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have recently been misinformed, and Hoagland may well be the next target.
Bill, would you care to go into some detail on what you consider to be the disinformation that David Wilcock and Ben Fulford have been passing on to us?
David, always enthusiastic to report good news (and always laudable!), jumped on Ben Fulford's unverifiable claims and gave them a major boost simply through his own high profile and extended readership. Not a smart thing to do if the information is of dubious provenance. This was a lapse on David's part.

The bottom line is this: if Ben Fulford really was leaking accurate details of this nature, he'd have found himself at the bottom of Tokyo Bay many months ago. Nothing he has ever said has ever been verified to be true.

Ben states that his sources include 'the CIA'. But Kerry and I know one of these 'CIA sources'. We met him, he has distant CIA connections, he has a degree of brain damage (with some memory loss) after a serious accident, and while he is a good man we found that his claims were not reliable: Jim Humble also knows him, and we learned from Jim that the accident he experienced was actually very different (different circumstances, different country) from the one he told us about.

We know this is the same man. He asked us to put him in touch with Ben, and we made the introduction.

Another source of Ben's is from 'The Vatican'. This is Leo Zagami. There was an embarrassing radio show a couple of years ago with Jeff Rense (either 1 September or 23 September 2009, I believe) in which Ben came on the air seeming to say that he had been in personal dialog with the Black Pope.

Rense did a commendable job of radio journalism and pressed him continually for clarification. Eventually, Fulford admitted that he had merely received a visit from Leo Zagami. Rense sighed audibly in response. You could almost hear his audience cringing, all over the world, on live radio. It was an interesting moment.

This was an important on-air instance of how Fulford had hyped his 'source' to deliberately give a false and exaggerated impression -- but Rense, after repeated questioning, caught him out.

Another of Fulford's claimed sources is the 'British Royal Family'. I know nothing about this, but it's reasonable to suspect that this may be a low-level person such as an administrator, a driver, or even a cook (there are many hundreds of them working in what is quite a large support organization). These people sometimes hear things. But it's equally likely that he is being fed with deliberate misinformation (100% untrue) or disinformation (partly untrue), knowing exactly what he will do with what he is told.

One of the problems is that Fulford inflates himself. It's an ego show. (Sorry folks, but this is a fact.) He never says: "I was told such-and-such, but I'm still checking it out as someone may be trying to take me for a ride". Or -- "I was told such-and-such, but I simply don't believe it." Or -- "I was told such-and-such, but this conflicts with other information I have, so I'm not sure what to conclude at the moment". Rather, he rushes to publication with this week's scoop. (Sorry again, folks -- but this is also a fact.)


Do you think any actions have been taken to restrain the activities of the denizens of the underground cities, or that any of the bankster stories from BF are true?

No.


In your opinion, is it a case of those stories being 100% wrong, or is it a case of just enough of it is true to keep the rumor mills going?

Hard to say with total certainty. But I'm as sure as I can be they are 100% wrong and deliberately misleading. (Not deliberate on the part of Fulford or Wilcock.) Audio recordings of furniture sliding across the floor? Sorry once again: that's comical.


Bob Dean is very optimistic and says that the ETs are going to be taking more and more action to make their presence known and to curb the actions of TPTW.
You seem to disagree with this, judging from some of your comments, and have asserted it's more a case of us being unrealistic to think we can rely on help from ETs.
Can you tell us why you think this? Have you heard from many other sources on these stories as to their veracity?

The ETs (and other benevolent beings out there - and there are certainly many) -- cannot intervene overtly. This would break every rule and protocol. But there's a great deal they can do to support covertly, and I have certainty that they do.

This battle is ours to fight, and this is a foundation-stone of the process. We humans have to take care of Planet Earth on our own. And many are watching. It's the greatest show in this sector of the galaxy.

To assist us, many ETs (and other beings) are incarnating as humans --- and this doesn't violate any protocols at all. Some of them are new arrivals, while others have been here as long as a few thousand years. It's a kind of loophole in which the requirement/agreement that humans sort this out themselves isn't breached.

How? Because they join us here in becoming human. My warmest and most sincere greetings, and appreciation, to many of those people reading this right now. Thank you for being here.

:)

But now, let's get this job done. No-one else out there is going to do it for us.

[ROMANWKT]

Hallo Bill

Precisely who wrote/backs the rules about of non interference in this experiment as it seems to be called, that makes you think is a possible fact??

Precisely who would interject if the rules were broken??

what proof do we have that these things exits, or are a possible fact??

My kindest regards to you Bill
roman

PS I would like to say also that I have read and heard all the archive video, and outside of this forum, but there seems to be more disruption on the alien parts which nobody is doing much about it, yet when it comes to us, well we have to stick to some unknown rules???

[Tantauri]

I personally know of two ET's incarnating here to help our cause. It is useful to remember that ETs are spiritual beings the same as us who just happened to have been inhabiting a body on a different planet or been without a body and looking for something to do. Sort of being unemployed or between jobs. LOL No different really, than meeting someone from a different race from a country on the other side of the Earth. They are some of the most courageous and responsible beings in the universe. If you were viewing the chaos and mess on Earth from the outside, would you volunteer to jump in and help? Hmmm................come to think of it........maybe you did.
Thanks for the clarification, Bill. The truth may be tough to face but it is the only way out.

[onawah]

Thanks so much for the clarification Bill, which all sounds quite reasonable.
It does seem to be the case that Fulford plays on what most of us WISH for, which is, of course, an early end to the conflict.

What seems to remain obscure to most of us is where and how the ETs draw the line between what is permissible intervention and what is not.
Since there has been so much non-permissible interference on the part of the negative ETs, and the destruction to the Earth has been so widespread and devastating, and the positive ETs are concerned about the Earth herself as well as the lifeforms here, it's always seemed strange to me that they didn't intervene sooner in order to prevent a lot of what has happened, which they must have known was coming.

One likes to think that there is more purpose to life even in 3D than just the struggle of good against evil, but that does indeed seem to be the case, and apparently continues to be the case to some extent even into the next highest dimensions.

[the trojan]

Okay Bill,you have done a nice job of decimating others info,info that you regard as factless or without any proof of authenticity,Would that be fair?
Then you give your opinion and and make no attempt to prove your information to be factual.
You dont really answer onawa's question above,and you attempt to prove nothing..
Please dont be insulted , are you not being slightly smug,in that you know something that others dont ,and you are not willing to share.


1.Can you please provide proof of your information Bill. clarify and confirm as much as you like,but provide proof to back up your claims.


The ETs (and other benevolent beings out there - and there are certainly many) -- cannot intervene overtly. This would break every rule and protocol. But there's a great deal they can do to support covertly, and I have certainty that they do.

Certainty,is your opinion,and not proof.

This battle is ours to fight, and this is a foundation-stone of the process. We humans have to take care of Planet Earth on our own. And many are watching. It's the greatest show in this sector of the galaxy.

Again,who are the many watching,and please provide us with proof.

To assist us, many ETs (and other beings) are incarnating as humans --- and this doesn't violate any protocols at all. Some of them are new arrivals, while others have been here as long as a few thousand years. It's a kind of loophole in which the requirement/agreement that humans sort this out themselves isn't breached.

Again,where is the proof for this 'loophole' and why is the inference that being a human is as easy as inhabiting a shell..I did not climb out of the primordial slime nor out of the trees!

How? Because they join us here in becoming human. My warmest and most sincere greetings, and appreciation, to many of those people reading this right now. Thank you for being here.

The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.
Even you ,know nothing that you can prove.
And if these et are knowledgable of the loophole,surely they are then knowlegable about a lot more....

[13th Warrior]

Every time information like this starts to come out it goes viral, and then the big bump as it all falls to the ground as a non event., somebody is very interested to power up these non events continuously, its in somebody's interest, that these event are always a flop. go back a few years, and then come forward, all predictions a flop??

Possibility of reverse psychology making sure that all prediction stop going viral, so for a long period of CRYING WOLF, it would be in their interest that nobody is ready or aware, or interested. So do go viral with this information, but don't go cuckoo, just be very aware, and ready. I smell a rat here as well.

Regards to all
roman

Like in baseball the fast ball and change up only work when used together one pitch sets up the other...

[nearing]

I am with onawah in being skeptical about this 'rule of non-interference'. I have heard of the rule or law talked about as fact in many circles but have never heard of how it came to be: who made this rule, what happens if it's broken, etc.

We humans interfere every moment in the lives of other species. Why should it be any different with off planet species and us?

And we have examples of being very much interfered with! Didn't the Annunaki genetically manipulate in order to create homo sapiens? Doesn't look like they got punished. Indeed, they rule the planet.

[onawah]

There's a newarticle out from David Wilcock at:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/988-fulford-owo-defeat

Trojan wrote:
The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.
Even you ,know nothing that you can prove.
And if these et are knowledgable of the loophole,surely they are then knowlegable about a lot more....

Better be careful, Trojan of pointing fingers on this forum. Though this is an open forum, there are loopholes on PA as well.

[RMorgan]

I am with onawah in being skeptical about this 'rule of non-interference'. I have heard of the rule or law talked about as fact in many cutover but have never heard of how it came to be: who made this rule, what happens if it's broken, etc.

We humans interfere every moment in the lives of other species. Why should it be any different with off planet species and us?

And we have examples of being very much interfered with! Didn't the Annunaki genetically manipulate in order to create homo sapiens? Doesn't look like they got punished, indeed, the rule the planet.


Well, for me, if there is such rule, it´s completely logical. It makes sense.

We have several cases of similar rules on Earth, in fact. We know the location of several indigenous tribes that never had contact with the outside world, which is our society. Our policy, for those tribes, is to observe and study them from distance, without making any contact.

Sometimes, we see pictures of those tribes, taken by helicopters and planes, and we can see the reaction on their faces.

For them, we are the ET´s, our aircraft are the UFOs.

Now, just substitute the indigenous by us, and substitute us by the ETs...Got it?

However, as far as I know, there´s no hard evidence of this kind of behavioral rules of the ETs towards us.

In fact, there´s no evidence at all that there are actually ETs watching us; And, if there are ETs watching us, there´s no evidence that they are actually that interested in us at all.

They might be just watching this primitive race like we watch rats in a lab.

It´s all just pure assumptions. Pure guess.

Just like we look at pictures of these lost tribes and think about how primitive they are, the ETs might be just thinking the same thing while looking at us.

[nearing]

I am with onawah in being skeptical about this 'rule of non-interference'. I have heard of the rule or law talked about as fact in many cutover but have never heard of how it came to be: who made this rule, what happens if it's broken, etc.

We humans interfere every moment in the lives of other species. Why should it be any different with off planet species and us?

And we have examples of being very much interfered with! Didn't the Annunaki genetically manipulate in order to create homo sapiens? Doesn't look like they got punished, indeed, the rule the planet.


Well, for me, if there is such rule, it´s completely logical. It makes sense.

We have several cases of similar rules on Earth, in fact. We know the location of several indigenous tribes that never had contact with the outside world, which is our society. Our policy, for those tribes, is to observe and study them from distance, without making any contact.

Sometimes, we see pictures of those tribes, taken by helicopters and planes, and we can see the reaction on their faces.



IF there are such tribes left on the planet, we don't interact with them for our own selfish motivations (research) and NOT because there is a universal law that states we are not PERMITTED to interact. In fact, there are many, many, many examples of us doing just that - interfering.

Actually I am inclined to think that this 'rule' doesn't exist at all and the story of its existence was created to explain away the fact that we do not get any help from other intelligent races.

[RMorgan]

IF there are such tribes left on the planet, we don't interact with them for our own selfish motivations (research) and NOT because there is a universal law that states we are not PERMITTED to interact. In fact, there are many, many, many examples of us doing just that - interfering.

Exactly. Who said ETs can´t have their own selfish reasons as well?

They might be just technological advanced beings. It doesn´t mean they are more spiritually evolved at all.

[nearing]

IF there are such tribes left on the planet, we don't interact with them for our own selfish motivations (research) and NOT because there is a universal law that states we are not PERMITTED to interact. In fact, there are many, many, many examples of us doing just that - interfering.

Exactly. Who said ETs can´t have their own selfish reasons as well?

They might be just technological advanced beings. It doesn´t mean they are more spiritually evolved at all.

Agreed.

I think they are most likely as selfish as we certainly are. Heck, if there were such a rule of non-interference, I'd say they would break it as fast we humans already do!

But again, I see no proof of the existence of this rule.

[TargeT]

well, the thing of it is, you see, that the debris trail is still with us.

And that space, as we know it, in this vicinity is actually a highly charged or pressured electrical potential. This is also involving 'differentials' in charge. This ends up flowing like a nearly pure voltage like MHD effect.

Like spritzing a bit of water mist between two probes that are about , oh, a foot apart but charged oppositely, to a potential difference of millions of electron volts. You'd weaken the static field resistance in the vicinity and get an arc strike, right in the misted area.

When it comes to energy differentials regarding being a medium of transfer, this (field change compared to the surrounding areas) can and will change amplitude and possibly acceleration and or frequency of any electrostatic waves in the vicinity of the debris trail.

Like a weak spot on a highly pressured balloon, we come to the point, finally, were something might happen, if indeed it is slated to happen.

so, in effect, the juncture of the earth going through the debris trail of elinin combined with the YU55 asteroid, these two can bring about changes in the pressured flow system of plasma pressure that is the fundamental of the solar system. We are electrostatically balanced, in a flow system that is in a state of highly charged pressure differential, via these immense charge fields.

Let me put it to you this way: everything that John Hutchison does to create the 'Hutchison effect', those are the conditions of the fabric of the universe, to the tune of 99% of it is this 'charged plasma'.

it's all about voltage, frequency, ionic factors (what ions and their interactions) and thus--- is a system in electrostatic balance. This force is a trillion, trillion, trillion (1 with 39 zeros) times stronger than gravity.

So the danger has not passed, it is actually now, regarding any potential for a CME to be directed toward us..via this incredible pressured system, and then a debris trail of bits..with their charge and what they took (absorbed charge-change) from the sun's vicinity.

A CME or flare that might erupt, if one does... and follow the path of least resistance, which is down the debris trail of Elinin.

which points right at us.

Then the YU55 or whatever, coming in sideways from that, with an altogether DIFFERENT charge potential, again.

Read the title article.

http://www.scientificexploration.org/edgescience/edgescience_09.pdf

I'm not scare mongering, I'm just sayin'. If there ever was any potential for anything to go sideways, that time is now.

This also plays out astrologically, as a 'rouge' alignment in that context, with unknown meanings.

I'm going to go about my day normally... so I'm not putting much stock in it, one way or another. But I'm saying that the case for potential issues is in the NOW, not the past, or what not.

For example, the alignments of elinin and earthquakes, this fits with the electric universe model. Now this comes along, regarding being a direct earth (involvement) situation, not just 'alignments'.

Pretty good break down; pointing out that impeedence.. as always; is key.. and THAT is what we should be concerned with.. ignore this "nuclear sun" BS, its a plasma sun, we live in an electromagnetic/gravitational universe & everything needs to be thought of in that context.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

ET's Interfering = complicated subject

They send messages and info via mental telepathy - some listen - many don't. Is that interfering?

I know of 2 walk-ins. When I didn't get it, I was taken back in time and shown the exact moment and why it was erased from my memory at the time. Is a walk-in interfering? One could say no as supposedly the walk-in agreed, but still at some level to me both this and mental telepathy is participating (and in my mind helping) us, so I would say they can help.

Perhaps it's a matter of semantics.

Bill,, I would encourage you to say "In my opinion" rather than stating some of these things as fact. I know it is your belief system and is fact to you - but?!?!? Just a suggestion. On the other hand it has generated great discussion. I hope it continues.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi Bill

From the information that I have picked up over the years, my understanding of this, IS what you and others have said, that they want to take this planet over from us. I am just pasting one of your comment.


1) Extraterrestrial beings (some very powerful) -- both positive and negative.
Some of these groups and races have resources and abilities "indistinguishable from magic" (Arthur C. Clarke quote). Some of these have interacted openly with us in earlier times and were considered to be 'gods' by previous civilizations.

Some are very much on our side. Others are absolutely not. Some are just observing. Others are waiting for legitimate opportunities.

Those not on our side have been interfering and negotiating with those in power on Planet Earth, often tricking them in the process.

Those on our side are supporting in every way that is ethical -- including incarnating as humans.
2) Discarnate astral beings (some very powerful) -- both positive and negative.
Some of these are extremely ancient -- and, again, and have been perceived as 'gods' by previous civilizations. Again, some are very much on our side. Others are absolutely not.

Those not on our side are overtly interfering: sometimes using direct negative intervention, and sometimes using subtle trickery and deception (e.g. using channeled messages and other forms of persuasive communication which are believed by the uninformed).

Those on our side are supporting in every way that is ethical -- including incarnating as humans.

My regards to you as always
roman

[onawah]

Just to be clear, I never said I was skeptical about the ET non-interference policy.
I think there is such a thing, and I do think there has been ET intervention.
It has been clearly demonstrated when they disabled our nuclear missiles quite recently, which was reported even on MSM.
The Disclosure Project, Bob Dean, Henry Deacon, and so many others have given evidence to the effect that they are here and are helping as they can.

My questions have to do with how and why the ETs determine what is permissible re intervention and what is not.
Especially inasmuch as negatively oriented ETs have done so much harm, which presumably, by the same edicts, is not permissible.
If there are karmic consequences for positive ETs when they intervene, I would have thought that when they are doing so to ameliorate what the negative ETs have done unlawfully, any bad karma for the positive ETs would be cancelled.

I am reading the Law of One books now, but haven't found anything there yet that really answers my question.

I think this thread is drifting off topic, and I am going to post the link for the new David Wilcock article in a new thread, or possibly on the old David Wilcock thread.

I hope Bill Ryan will give us some feedback on that article and his impressions of who the numerous sources might be that DW is referencing.
He doesn't actually name Henry Deacon as a source for this new info, but he implies it just by naming him in the article.

[the trojan]

There's a newarticle out from David Wilcock at:
http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/988-fulford-owo-defeat

Trojan wrote:
The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.
Even you ,know nothing that you can prove.
And if these et are knowledgable of the loophole,surely they are then knowlegable about a lot more....

Better be careful, Trojan of pointing fingers on this forum. Though this is an open forum, there are loopholes on PA as well.

Quite right Onawa,But i have also found that in having an adult conversation,i am allowed to speak my mind and further the conversation by asking questions.
Bill is treated over respectfully by some people on this forum,which cant be healthy for anyones ego,So i am sure that being asked to get to the point and treated with equal respect sits well with Bill.

If Bill is making statements that others are deluding themselves but he isnt,then he deserves to be asked questions and requests to have this info shared.
Much the same as If I make claims,I will always expect questions and requests for proof.

I appreciate what you say about loopholes(or did you mean rules) here on this forum but if anyone threatens to take their ball home with them and its their game ...well we know what that means.....
Lets get on with it folks.

There is nothing wrong with asking someone to explain themselves.

I was not pointing fingers either Onawa,maybe the written word is misleading or its maybe my Scots manner that is showing.
There are a lot of nationalities on this forum and sometimes quirks of culture are confusing.

Lots of love to you Onawa,since I seem to be discussing this issue with you...

[Calz]

ET's Interfering = complicated subject

They send messages and info via mental telepathy - some listen - many don't. Is that interfering?

I know of 2 walk-ins. When I didn't get it, I was taken back in time and shown the exact moment and why it was erased from my memory at the time. Is a walk-in interfering? One could say no as supposedly the walk-in agreed, but still at some level to me both this and mental telepathy is participating (and in my mind helping) us, so I would say they can help.

Perhaps it's a matter of semantics.

Bill,, I would encourage you to say "In my opinion" rather than stating some of these things as fact. I know it is your belief system and is fact to you - but?!?!? Just a suggestion. On the other hand it has generated great discussion. I hope it continues.

I have suggested elsewhere (last DW thread I think) that *perhaps* the "rules of engagement" are changing since it *appears* we are entering the "end of the cycle" ... the Universe is not static.

Cryptic ... vague ... but not based on any information from any *whistleblower/insider* sources ... (well ... except for personal and spiritual ... so there you go).

[ROMANWKT]

Just to be clear, I never said I was skeptical about the ET non-interference policy.
I think there is such a thing, and I do thind there has been ET intervention.
It has been clearly demonstrated when they disabled our nuclear missiles quite recently, which was reported even on MSM.
The Disclosure Project, Bob Dean, Henry Deacon, and so many others have given evidence to the effect that they are here and are helping as they can.

My questions have to do with how and why the ETs determine what is permissible re intervention and what is not.
Especially inasmuch as negatively oriented ETs have done so much harm, which presumably, by the same edicts, is not permissible.
If there are karmic consequences for positive ETs when they intervene, I would have thought that when they are doing so to ameliorate what the negative ETs have done unlawfully, any bad karma for the positive ETs would be cancelled.

I am reading the Law of One books now, but haven't found anything there yet that really answers my question.

I think this thread is drifting off topic, and I am going to post the link for the new David Wilcock article in a new thread, or possibly on the old David Wilcock thread.

I hope Bill Ryan will give us some feedback on that article and his impressions of who the numerous sources might be that DW is referencing.
He doesn't actually name Henry Deacon as a source for this new info, but he implies it just by naming him in the article.

I have gathered other information stating that no such thing happened to neutralize a nuclear facility, it was manufactured to perpetuate in our belief in UFOs??????

regards
roman

[Carmody]

It is getting more and more difficult to know who to believe these days!

Isn't that just so interesting...

....that we're slowly being forced to drop our illusions of egoic reflected separateness, and start at the one starting point that we are supposed to, which is addressing the self, and doing for the self, to correct the self, first..as that is the only way a functional working aspect of egoic sublimation can take place.

Not to 'trust no one' and hide in the corner with the shotgun and knife pointed outward, but to clear the self and launch the self from that point of original knowing. The more softly and slowly the message is delivered, the better chance it has in taking hold --- down the non-ego road.

It's all lies, at all levels, and all ways!

Perfect!

Nothing left to do but look inside.... :p

[Seikou-Kishi]

*Sigh* first Elenin, now YU55... I get the feeling that this is like a child who's learning to play the piano but he isn't very good — oh no, hang on, I'll try again... oops, one more go... I'm nearly there. Come the 9th of November we'll be hit with the revelation of yet another asteroid we should all be looking at

[Hervé]

It is getting more and more difficult to know who to believe these days!

[...]

It's all lies, at all levels, and all ways!

Perfect!

Nothing left to do but look inside.... :p

It seems these are currently the only "facts" we can count on... mis/disinfos... psyops...cointelpro, local, galactic or cosmic... what a muck to dredge one's path through!

Many beautiful theories have been worked out on... false or incomplete premises.

These theories work perfectly with respect to the premises they were evolved from... except the starting points are wrong... electromagnetism is such one... it works, the applications are all over and around us. Yet, 80% of the data it's been build from have been missing since Maxwell... the theory and derived applications are working on 20% of the originally known data.

Now, Maxwell... how come no one else has been able to perceive what he did since then? Same with Tesla...

So, it boils down to "looking" whether inside or outside... and the conundrum of what one perceives of the actual "thing" looked at. Are the perception, the observation and the actual "thing" all matching and identical in all respects?

To give you an idea on "perception," have a peek at this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29920-Are-you-left-brain-or-right-brain-dominant-Find-out-&p=303367&viewfull=1#post303367
... the graphics are designed to generate only one spinning direction , the other one is a perception...

So... whether looking outside or inside... is one's perception of what's looked at the actual "thing" that's being observed?

[onawah]

Trojan wrote
The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.
Personally, I wouldn't call that "adult conversation". I would call it name calling, baiting and insulting.

It's often not so much what you are saying as how you say it.
You might have said, " Isn't is a bit egoistic to say that there are incarnated ETs looking for information on your forum?"

Although I personally think that's quite possible. As I understand it, ETs who incarnate here are subject to the same kinds of limitations inherent in 3D consciousness that humans are who have been here for a long time. They are not infallible or all knowing, though they may be better equipped to overcome those limitations. And we have experience and information that they are interested in, according to Bob Dean, Dr. Steven Greer and others who have had direct contact.

[Sidney]

It's like asking a girl to dance...sooner or later one of them is going to say yes.

If he keeps plugging away, one day, he'll get it right and we'll hear a big " SEE I TOLD YOU SO!"

But then, who will be listening?

Yup, or a big ol cry wolf, finally the big catastrophe (whatever it may be) will come, and we're all caught with our pants down. :flame::fear::fear::shocked:

[KosmicKat]

One of the few things I am absolutely certain of: the freewill of the individual is inviolable. That applies to every form of life capable of making a choice about their own path. How is this honored in practice? I can't say for certain. Only that it is.

[eric charles]

Holy **** , ive done more research on Asteroid 2005 yu55 , this one for real is going to pass at 0.00022 AU from earth , now im freaked out , totally freaked out , just go on nasa jpl website and look at it for yourself , but dont go look at it in the list of potential earth hitting objects cuz its not in the list ( are they trying to conceal it ) , it is listed undr asteroid 2005 yu55 in the asterooid list only , so if you look beween the lines , its coming close .

I accidently closed my web browser and lost all the NASA JPL web pages LOL , not surprising with me so just bear and go check it out

[Hervé]

Sorry, got side-tracked into perception...

Now, regarding this Blue Marble, I am on the side of Alex Collier (latest interview here: http://www.charlesfrith.com/2011/10/new-interview-with-alex-collier-by.html) in considering it as a "Free Zone" or a galactic "Port Franc" where one could find all sorts of interstellar space travellers... pirates, corsairs, filibusters, privateers, buccaneers, shipwrecked, castaways, merchants, navy, etc. and all the accompanying trades and barters going along with those.

This is validated, if there is any truth to it, by the "as below, so above" corrollary of a widespread cliché since, when one takes a good look at the different societies, economie, cultures, etc one finds on this Earth... well, it gives an idea of what's "out there" in space as well as "in there" in terms of dimensions...

All considered, me thinks we are doing fine after all! :) Just need to handle these control freaks.

[13th Warrior]

Holy **** , ive done more research on Asteroid 2005 yu55 , this one for real is going to pass at 0.00022 AU from earth , now im freaked out , totally freaked out , just go on nasa jpl website and look at it for yourself , but dont go look at it in the list of potential earth hitting objects cuz its not in the list ( are they trying to conceal it ) , it is listed undr asteroid 2005 yu55 in the asterooid list only , so if you look beween the lines , its coming close .

I accidently closed my web browser and lost all the NASA JPL web pages LOL , not surprising with me so just bear and go check it out

Well, you have one too many decimal points in there; it's looking like 0.0022 AU from Earth and 0.0016AU from our Moon...


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/comet/20110502/comet20110502.gif

[the trojan]

Trojan wrote
The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.
Personally, I wouldn't call that "adult conversation". I would call it name calling, baiting and insulting.

It's often not so much what you are saying as how you say it.
You might have said, " Isn't is a bit egoistic to say that there are incarnated ETs looking for information on your forum?"

Although I personally think that's quite possible. As I understand it, ETs who incarnate here are subject to the same kinds of limitations inherent in 3D consciousness that humans are who have been here for a long time. They are not infallible or all knowing, though they may be better equipped to overcome those limitations. And we have experience and information that they are interested in, according to Bob Dean, Dr. Steven Greer and others who have had direct contact.

ok onawah ,As I said it depends on interpretation,you have suggested another way of stating what i typed.


Thanks for correcting my words for me.
I dont agree with you by the way,but I will try to understand you....

a.where is the namecalling? is it the suggestion of how arrogant the original statement sounds to me ?
b.where is the baiting? I cant see that one,unless you consider my whole post as a baiting tactic?
c.why is it insulting? because it made me laugh?

So now that I have learned my lesson from you on how to have an adult conversation ,may I ask you some questions regarding your post?

Although I personally think that's quite possible.
Is that just a feeling or do you base it on evidence?

As I understand it, ETs who incarnate here are subject to the same kinds of limitations inherent in 3D consciousness that humans are who have been here for a long time.
Is that just a feeling or do you base it on evidence?

They are not infallible or all knowing, though they may be better equipped to overcome those limitations.
What makes you think that they are better equipped,are they not only human?

And we have experience and information that they are interested in,
Why would an advanced race be interested in the human condition?

according to Bob Dean, Dr. Steven Greer and others who have had direct contact.
Again,we only have their word for this.

Is that okay Onawah,please feel free to interpret my questions as you wish.
Please do not interpret my questions as arrogant,cheeky,combative,or any other negative style.
I am being so honest with you and have no need or wish to challenge you ..
I am attempting to have a conversation via a forum..and it is proving difficult to have conversations on forums.

[13th Warrior]

This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earth's Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

[ThePythonicCow]

Bill ... Precisely who would interject if the rules were broken??
(I'm not Bill and I'll wager he wouldn't answer this way :).)

In my view, no one would interject. The orderings of the Universe are much different than that.

Each level (some would say "dimension" here, but I personally dislike that use of the word) of the dynamic, self-organizing Universe, naturally evolves those structures that are the most robust. This is true from the lowest level formation of sub-atomic particles from the ether (Paul LaViolette) to the formation of advanced galactic civilizations.

Intervening too obviously in this process at some lower level harms that level, causing it to form warped or weakened structures. A wise parent does not micromanage the affairs of his/her child, but let's the child learn, in those cases where the child can cope with the hard knocks. The same parent might, if the need arose, yank a child quite sharply out of the way of an oncoming truck.

[ROMANWKT]

This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earths Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

Are you one of these guest that Bill is talking about 13th warrior????

regards
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Bill ... Precisely who would interject if the rules were broken??
(I'm not Bill and I'll wager he wouldn't answer this way :).)

In my view, no one would interject. The orderings of the Universe are much different than that.

Each level (some would say "dimension" here, but I personally dislike that use of the word) of the dynamic, self-organizing Universe, naturally evolves those structures that are the most robust. This is true from the lowest level formation of sub-atomic particles from the ether (Paul LaViolette) to the formation of advanced galactic civilizations.

Intervening too obviously in this process at some lower level harms that level, causing it to form warped or weakened structures. A wise parent does not micromanage the affairs of his/her child, but let's the child learn, in those cases where the child can cope with the hard knocks. The same parent might, if the need arose, yank a child quite sharply out of the way of an oncoming truck.

Thank you Paul for answering,

but where did you get such information from??
My regards to you
roman

isn't Paul LaViolette a physicist, and the coming waves his theory. the same theory as Loren Knight, does he profess to know a galactic authority as does Bob dean???

[ponda]

onawah said:

My questions have to do with how and why the ETs determine what is permissible re intervention and what is not.
Especially inasmuch as negatively oriented ETs have done so much harm, which presumably, by the same edicts, is not permissible.

My guess would be that the negative et's don't play by the same rules as the positives.The negs might interfere as much as they can get away with.Now just how much they can get away with might be decided by higher positives or some other unknown aspect of the bigger picture.

[13th Warrior]

This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earths Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?


Are you one of these guest that Bill is talking about 13th warrior????

regards
roman

I've never been a guest of Bills' well, not in this lifetime anyway...

[DevilPigeon]

This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earth's Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

The official name of our moon is 'Raymond Luxury Yacht' (pronounced 'Throatwobbler Mangrove')

:)

[ROMANWKT]

This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earths Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?


Are you one of these guest that Bill is talking about 13th warrior????

regards
roman

I've never been a guest of Bills' well, not in this lifetime anyway...

Its when you said" I only heard earthling" you know, made me think, hehehe

regards
roman

[DevilPigeon]

-----

Whether this asteroid or whatever actually puts in an appearance of some kind I'm sure we'll find out soon enough... But the recent influx of bizarre/whacky theories in general, whilst entertaining to a degree has actually helped me to start to take all of them with a rather large pinch of salt. That's good, no longer do I blindly believe every piece of stuff posted without it filtering through my 'gut-instinct-o-meter' first.

I'm slowly coming to realise that whatever will be will be, and in fact the only sensible thing we can do if we want to take our world back from the usurpers that stole it many years ago, is to engage more and more in non-violent non-cooperation - exactly as David Icke & many others have been saying for years.

Maybe the fact that we seem to want to believe so readily in far-out Utopian saviour scenarios is due to the fact that the real world we live in is so messed up at the moment... Maybe it's a psychological/unconscious way of trying to bring equilibrium to our surroundings. Or to borrow a Star Wars line, "to bring balance to the force"

[math330]

I accidently closed my web browser and lost all the NASA JPL web pages LOL , not surprising with me so just bear and go check it out

Here, let me help you.
"Although classified as a potentially hazardous object, 2005 YU55 poses no threat of an Earth collision over at least the next 100 years. However, this will be the closest approach to date by an object this large that we know about in advance and an event of this type will not happen again until 2028 when asteroid (153814) 2001 WN5 will pass to within 0.6 lunar distances. "

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html

[Unified Serenity]

Clicking Thanks doesn't seem good enough Bill. I really appreciate what you shared regarding sources. It is very important that sources be vetted properly before giving out information, but as you said it does appear to have a lot to do with ego. I wish what BF says were true, but it's always ringed hollow to me, and yes, we have to do the work on our own. Bill, I often throw cold water on some topics here because I see another side to things. We do need to stand up to the system, but how exactly do we do that when it appears to me the people are being orchestrated into a show tptw desire. What do you think we can do besides being the change personally we want to see?

Do you think there is a way to take apart the private banking cartel and regain our individual freedom AND responsibility? So many today look to the government which is controlled to a large extent by powerful corporations which are controlled by these very powerful families. I'd love to hear any ideas you have or have heard bantered about with others.

[ThePythonicCow]

Thank you Paul for answering,

but where did you get such information from??
I don't actually know where it comes from :). It seems to me more like it forms in my awareness, as I look about and take things in.


isn't Paul LaViolette a physicist, and the coming waves his theory. the same theory as Loren Knight, does he profess to know a galactic authority as does Bob dean???
LaViolette is, in part, a physicist, yes.

I was referring to LaViolette's Model G, providing a theory for the formation of matter and energy from the ether.

Whether LaViolette's galactic super wave theory is the same as Loren Knight I have no idea, not knowing what Loren said. I suspect it is not exactly the same, as LaViolette's super waves are strongly grounded in his Model G physics, which I have seen no one else present. But perhaps it is similar.

So far as I know, LaViolette does not profess to know any galactic authority, but there is much of LaViolette's writings that I've not read yet.

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I am with onawah in being skeptical about this 'rule of non-interference'. I have heard of the rule or law talked about as fact in many circles but have never heard of how it came to be: who made this rule, what happens if it's broken, etc.In my view, no one "made" the rule - there is not (for me) some uber-boss dictating the rules of the game.

Rather beings (of any level) that are nurtured under artificially favorable conditions become as "hot house plants", unaccustomed to the more harsh and diverse conditions "out there."

Thus higher beings (even parents, of their children) will choose to minimize involvement in the aspects of the beings they are nourishing, at least to the extent that the nourished beings are aware of and adapting to those same aspects themselves.

[ThePythonicCow]

Actually I am inclined to think that this 'rule' doesn't exist at all and the story of its existence was created to explain away the fact that we do not get any help from other intelligent races.I suspect that too sometimes, partially.

In other words I suspect both happen:

Other more advanced galactic civilizations will choose to keep their involvement in us subtle, for that is necessary for our proper growth.
Earthly powers will twist this lack of apparent involvement to their own purposes.

[onawah]

Thanks math330. That's all I needed to know. So many other, more important things to think about than another "no threat" asteroid!

For anyone who may have missed it, there is a new thread that Calz started regarding the latest article from David Wilcock re Fulford's latest and so on at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32458-Underground-Bases-Update-by-Wilcock-.../page10



I accidently closed my web browser and lost all the NASA JPL web pages LOL , not surprising with me so just bear and go check it out

Here, let me help you.
"Although classified as a potentially hazardous object, 2005 YU55 poses no threat of an Earth collision over at least the next 100 years. However, this will be the closest approach to date by an object this large that we know about in advance and an event of this type will not happen again until 2028 when asteroid (153814) 2001 WN5 will pass to within 0.6 lunar distances. "

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html

[ThePythonicCow]

Trojan wrote
The arrogance involved in making this statement that these incarnated et are on your forum looking for info is laughable.
Personally, I wouldn't call that "adult conversation". I would call it name calling, baiting and insulting.


ok onawah ,As I said it depends on interpretation,you have suggested another way of stating what i typed.

There is a difference between using words to nurture shared understanding, and twisting words to insult in one breath, and deny you're doing so in the next breath.

We are seeking on this forum to grow our shared understanding. Abusive and abuse of rhetoric is counter-productive to that end.

May I recommend, the trojan, that you cease this digression, before you explore some of the "loopholes" (guidelines and their enforcement) of this forum?

[Truthseeker512]

Hoaxland speaks....

I wont be paying any attention to this body traveling through space either.
He makes my job easier sieving through the disinfo :p

An experience I shall share...

I was banned from hoaxlands fb page not long ago simply for posting my latest Bosnian Pyramid videos. He laughed at the mere suggestion of pyramids in Bosnia, took a really derogatory manor towards me as if i was a random fool forwarding a youtube vid and blocked me. Not for being offensive or disruptive, but because I was able to give cold, hard facts from first hand experience relating to the discoveries in Bosnia. Other ppl on his page were interested and asked questions, supported the info, gave thanks etc. I was not spamming or anything like that. Simply posting my vids once in a while. He didnt even enter into a mature debate or ask questions. Finally, he gave me one last egotistical sarcastic comment and blocked me.
Little did he know im a collaborator with SBRG, an academic research group or that Ive been working on-site closely with Dr Semir and lead archaeologist Dr Sara Acconci (who is also a good friend of mine), being involved with the excavations, energy research etc

This for me is all the proof I needed that he is a disinfo agent (tho there is plenty more, how about his support for Obama and how he would save the space programme for another?). Anyone who is asked to do a 2012 TV series about pyramids etc should be well up on the science being collected in Bosnia if they are genuinely passionate about discovering the secrets of pyramids, or at the very least, open to it. He clearly is not. He is merely jumping on a 2012 cashcow and has no interest in promoting an actual scientific discovery that CAN change the future of mankind. No, he is much more interested in filling ppls heads with BS, misdirecting good minds and wasting their time.


My advice for what its worth, dont believe a word that comes out of that mans mouth. He is not a genuine person on a mission for truth. He has an agenda and it involves $$$ signs.


Maybe one day when the pyramids are more widely known and there is some money to be had he will find a way of linking his magic number 19.47 in with their designs, but for now, its his duty to make sure noone hears about them.

[onawah]

I am beginning to wonder if Mr. Hoagland is suffering from beginning stages of dementia.

[KosmicKat]

this one for real is going to pass at 0.00022 AU from earth

Please don't panic. 0.00022 AU = more than 20,000 miles. Even in astronomical terms, that's plenty of room to miss us.

[sygh]

I am with onawah in being skeptical about this 'rule of non-interference'. I have heard of the rule or law talked about as fact in many circles but have never heard of how it came to be: who made this rule, what happens if it's broken, etc.

We humans interfere every moment in the lives of other species. Why should it be any different with off planet species and us?

And we have examples of being very much interfered with! Didn't the Annunaki genetically manipulate in order to create homo sapiens? Doesn't look like they got punished. Indeed, they rule the planet.

Would it be too surprising, or shocking if I said, in part, they are us and we are them? Would it be unreasonable to say... there is more than just a distinct possibility we entered into earthly material, first as visitors, then into the inorganic, then the organic? And that entering into the material world, most especially the organic (that being "living matter") is actually the real meaning of going beyond the terms of "non-interference"?

As for the volunteers, they too risk getting stuck in the material because being human requires being born. Admittedly, there are some shortcuts, and there actually are some incarnates who would gladly take your place, or share a flat, if you let them.

The veil has been ripping for a few decades now. The real secrets have come out. Psychological secrets/Spiritual secrets. The akashic records. The secrets of our origin -and the secrets of that which we refer to as God as wisdom, as knowledge, as first and foremost -love.

Isn't it interesting though that a movie like the matrix was actually allowed to be released? Too bad about the pill part, and having to plug in, or that God was a computer interfaced with a man (sound familiar?).

Ben is not telling the whole story.

Who will actually claim to be responsible for bringing down the NWO?

[WhiteFeather]

The ETs (and other benevolent beings out there - and there are certainly many) -- cannot intervene overtly. This would break every rule and protocol. But there's a great deal they can do to support covertly, and I have certainty that they do.

This battle is ours to fight, and this is a foundation-stone of the process. We humans have to take care of Planet Earth on our own. And many are watching. It's the greatest show in this sector of the galaxy.

To assist us, many ETs (and other beings) are incarnating as humans --- and this doesn't violate any protocols at all. Some of them are new arrivals, while others have been here as long as a few thousand years. It's a kind of loophole in which the requirement/agreement that humans sort this out themselves isn't breached.


So this ads credence as to what Dolores Cannon states in her interview in The Convoluted Universe. Many starseeded souls/alien souls if you will,,, have incarnated here in a human body to assist/raise frequency's/learn/teach others here on Planet Earth as to not break the rules of intervention on an evolving civilization. I found this link of great insight. Thanks Again Bill.


Starseeds (http://www.learn-psychic-powers.com/starseeds.html)

[ROMANWKT]

I'm sorry WhiteFeather,

You have missed the point, the questions was who's rules and who's protocols, and where is it , who, where, what??

regards to you
roman

[Tony]

Everyone knows it was the mice!......or was it the cat in the old man's shed?


cPWnitDyIOw

[Bill Ryan]

proofTo anyone who would like proof of anything I present or suggest here: that's not possible.

I can't even prove to you that I exist. (Unless you were to meet me -- and even then I may be an illusion! :) )

This is the problem. I and many others (including quite a number of forum members) have had a wide range of unusual and highly significant experiences, both subjective and objective.

I saw an ET appear physically in my bedroom, back in 1984. Can I prove that? No. Even if I'd had the presence of mind to take a photo (rather than being frozen to the spot!) many would not have accepted even that as proof.

For four years, between 1991-1995, I was living with my girlfriend at the time, an exceptionally sensitive, aesthetic and intelligent person, tall, slim and beautiful, who two lifetimes ago had arrived from the Pleiades. (In other words, this was her second lifetime as a human on Earth.)

Can I prove that? No. Neither could she, if she'd ever felt the need to, to anyone who doubted her. But I spent many, many hours with her talking with her about it -- sometimes comforting her while tears streamed down her face -- and she had had even more hours of regression, bolstered with spontaneous, vivid memories. I was left in no doubt that this was real.

See my Freedom Central interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmfotefqDrE) for my experiences with my girlfriend Angi, who was with me when the ET appeared. She, too, was not fully human. It would take thousands of words on many pages for me to tell that entire, complex story. There was no doubt about that, either.

And I have an inbox of many, many hundreds of long messages from readers and viewers who tell similar, deeply moving and intelligent stories.

For anyone who demands proof of anything I present, you may be in the wrong forum. Of course, everything stated is an opinion. Sometimes, in my opinion, something is a fact. :)

[jcocks]

You seem to draw those "not fully human" types towards you, don't you bill? :)

[derek]

Just putting this out there, Fulford has said he has had at least six attempts on his life. Including being poisoned when he went to the vatican (where he said he was shown free energy technology) and getting very sick. He has also said the people he is working with in the white dragon society HAVE been killed and/or attempted to be killed. He has also said that they have tried to completely slander his whole reputation by telling everyone that he is associating with that he is a crazy drug addict and not to be trusted. They have also tried (and succeded, in the United States and elsewhere in the western world) in banning many of his books, as well as many other things.

When I hear something along the lines of "if he was telling the truth he would be in the tokyo bay river right now"

I think of Bill Ryan, Richard Dolan, Bob Dean, Ralph Ring etc etc etc


Also, David has mentioned that he too has met someone that Ben is in contact with, and seemed to think they were legitimate. I have no doubt that Bill met one of his CIA witnessess, and he may have had brain damage (making him less supportive of the old military industrial complex and more willing to help others) but the question then comes to mind, what about all his OTHER CIA, NSA, MI6, Pentagon, Illuminati, Rothschild, etc etc etc witnessess?

He says hes in contact with Vincent Davignon the head of the Bildeberg Group, does he have brain damage?

Ben has also stated that he has personally heard audio of people like george bush senior, seen all kinds of documents, and that he has several incriminating documents, pictures etc to be released upon his death. Why exactly would they show him all of that, take all of that risk, just so he can write an obscure blog every week that most people don't actually take seriously anyway?

You think if this is what they wanted people to believe than the known popular disinfo assets (both knowing and unkowning) would be talking about it, instead of the exact opposite (fear porn). You would think they would do more to give him credibility too.


Also, there is ALOT of evidence to back up these claims compared to the standard whistleblower testimony (which is valuable and credible but rarely provides much evidence). Davids Chinas October Surprise articles document alot of that, as well as his most recent articles, and everything he has been writing since his original "Disclosure Endgame" article.

[Cartomancer]

Viking, I trust people like you more than Hoagland. There is something about this dude that I don't like and I can't quite put my finger on it. Some of the things he promotes make sense but I guess I always suspect everyone. This man seems to be part of a group of people that dominate the "strange" on the internet and TV. You've seen the seamy underside of this genre what do you think? Are there people out there in the alternative community that are owned and trying to impact what you believe about UFO's and other strange phenomena? As a funny aside check out the Red Ice Radio interview of Hoagland on their new "space wars" movie. The interview takes place in a bar and he seems a little tipsy. He makes sense thought its just funny to see this guy slightly looped instead of the serious nature he usually projects.

[13th Warrior]

Viking, I trust people like you more than Hoagland. There is something about this dude that I don't like and I can't quite put my finger on it. Some of the things he promotes make sense but I guess I always suspect everyone. This man seems to be part of a group of people that dominate the "strange" on the internet and TV. You've seen the seamy underside of this genre what do you think? Are there people out there in the alternative community that are owned and trying to impact what you believe about UFO's and other strange phenomena? As a funny aside check out the Red Ice Radio interview of Hoagland on their new "space wars" movie. The interview takes place in a bar and he seems a little tipsy. He makes sense thought its just funny to see this guy slightly looped instead of the serious nature he usually projects.

Richard Hoagland "used" to work for NASA...

Richard says that NASA has a drip, drip, drip approach to releasing information...

Perhaps Richard is the leaky faucet?

[derek]

Also, I have heard Ben predict several things such as the election of prime minister Nato Kan in Japan ( which he stated as fact before it ever happened), the 2008 economic crash, fukushima etc. Many of the things he has said can be verified to be true.

I am constantly seeing obscure data points line up with what Ben is saying. For example (just one that comes to mind), Ben has been saying that Rupurt Murdoch is ready to jump ship and change sides (presumably to save himself) and actually start reporting truth, and that the phone hacking scandal was created by the old world order to stop him.

Did you notice who actually called for an investigation in the phone hacking scandal?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8633406/Phone-hacking-pressure-in-United-States-to-investigate-News-Corporation.html

[Bill Ryan]

You seem to draw those "not fully human" types towards you, don't you bill? :)

Yes! And I'm not the only one.

[Bill Ryan]

-------

David Wilcock's sources include one person who I know for a fact has tried to provide Camelot with false information (and who told Kerry and myself, almost exactly two years ago at the end of 2009, that he was playing both sides). David glosses over this. It is a persisting bone of contention between us.

His sources also include Henry Deacon (real name Arthur Neumann), who on stage in the recent 2011 Awake and Aware conference stated that he had no evidence that HAARP caused earthquakes. (This is my paraphrase. Listen to the recording: it was at the start of the speakers' panel on the Saturday night.)

I called him on it, pointing out that I had from him in writing, soon after the 2008 Sechuan earthquake, a statement clearly saying precisely the opposite. ("An all-round handy-dandy tool", Henry had written, referring to HAARP. This was in response to a YouTube statement by Ben Fulford about HAARP, explaining that Fulford was broadly correct but had to some degree misunderstood how the earthquake-inducing technology worked. Henry, ever the detail-oriented engineer, had wanted to point out Fulford's error.)

When I challenged him on-stage, Henry was flustered -- and said that he could not remember having sent me that 2008 message. The panel discussion moved on.

David's source that I first mentioned above, also present at the conference, the next day accused me of "attacking" Henry (this was in a highly charged, eyeball-to-eyeball private conversation). There was a stand-off. His attitude was aggressive. I held my ground. Kerry took his position. The issue was not resolved.

Not all is plain sailing in the world of witness reliability, especially once they have been under various forms of potential influence.

[nomadguy]

19 hours 28 mins,

I am not a mathematician, however I thought it was fairly easy to see a few holes in numerical crossover's Hoagland had presented.
I agree the statistics look to be slightly convoluted. The whole business of theorizing on numbers that are rounded is not useful in my opinion.
This is a lot like what happened within the Climate scandal, ~soft numbers.

Also, I think a lot is lost in the language barriers we all have,
Style, delivery, and description are all very relative to how someone relates and attempts to deliver their information with as much effectiveness as possible. Or to gain maximum attraction. I notice this in particular to anyone whom has a book or a DVD to sell. I don't think it is at all possible for me personally, to not want to sell myself or my product in this type of situation. With that being said, I am gong to try to examine what each presenter's information has to see how much could be gained from analysis.

Personally I have a big problem with the effect that being in the spot light has on one's presentation.
Especially after going on tour, lets say and being cheered at and all that. Much is lost in the cheering and revelry. No offense to anyone, I can only imagine what I myself might be like in any of these presenters shoes. gnaaayay stage fright sheesh, especially with such odd topics.
Then, when you become salted from doing this and gained experience you have this showmanship. The showmanship I feel gets in the way of constructive thinking.

19 hours 28 mins

there does appear to be some strangeness to the elenin numerical values.
For example,

19 hours 28 mins = 1168 mins

1168 mins = 70080 seconds

70080 / 365 (or 1 Earth year) = 192

hmmm
I suppose my numbers are likely more convoluted.

The works of smart folks like, Nassim Haramein, David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland perhaps show us, a big picture, even if it is not perfect. Or maybe it has flaws or areas of obscurity. The fractal nature of the universe appears to be an undeniable factoid. It persists and persists through out all realms, spiritual to scientific. It is like we all keep stumbling over the truth and no matter how many times we get it wrong the truth is really presenting itself directly to us and this leaves an imprint. We're going to get it. Sooner than later ~I hope.

From what I have seen so far in this type of research is that the fabric of the universe is fractal and that this same fractal fabric is indeed intelligent and may be the root of our intelligence.

I am ever hopeful that more witful people will be able to look at this phenomena and be able to discover something that is both relevant and credible.

Carry on,
Cheers
C...
:tea:

What I base as the "research" for this comment,
Nassim Haramein, David Wilcock, Dan Winter, Arthur M Young, Benoit Mandelbrot

[derek]

Some of his sources may questionable, Henry may have been absent minded. I wouldn't actually say that disregards the whole thing. Kerry had Heather and Deane, Bill had Serpo and Charles, that doesn't mean that nothing project camelot says is true.

I would say as far as your comment on Davids austrailian source that I'm SURE David has a very good response to all that, and would love to hear it.

Also, even if it is true that he is "playing both sides" it's possible he is just trying to control the flow of information or something similar, That doesn't actually mean that this whole scenario David is writing about is totally untrue IMO, and it doesn't mean he doesn't have many other sources saying the same thing.

[ROMANWKT]

H Bill

Like I had said before , I had read and watched everything that you and others had written, I have been trying very hard to get rid of dis-info in my life, and had written a few words about it here hoping it helps others to question everything, just as I have done here in this post, its just a question, and now I have the answer, which is an unwritten law or understanding beyond me, that's no problem I can deal with that once I know where people are coming from, I am not with all sincerity questioning your integrity, for If that was the case I would not be here anyway. Thank you for your answer, now its understood, even I cant substantiate about what I write, only with a bit of logic and intuition. All I have experience off is going to sleep and waking up, period.

My warmest Regards to you
roman

[Cidersomerset]

Interesting about the Bosnian pyramids Truthseeker , seems strange how he reacted to you and the info...Did the subject of the over 300 pyramids in China come up ?

I know he is focused on his theories but as you say the Bosnian pyramids cannot just be dismissed like that ! Cheers Steve

[Bill Ryan]

Serpo and Charles

Serpo:
1) Read this summary (please do this :) ):

http://serpo.org/final_update.php

2) I also heard this time last year from someone who back in the 70s had worked at NORAD -- where he'd heard scuttlebutt (informal rumor and chat) about Project Crystal Knight (the likely actual project name that Victor Martinez, Kerry and I had been told).

Here's his testimony published for the first time, very slightly edited.




My name is [full name given]. I am a professional electrical engineer specializing the rather esoteric field of electrostatics and electromagnetism in the electronics industry in [location given].




I worked at NORAD in 1976-1978. I was not what you would call a "senior level" military person back in those days. I was just a young airman. But, I did have the appropriate security clearances and the specific job classification necessary to have daily access to all areas of the Cheyenne Mountain complex for the three years I worked there.

What I recall hearing was primarily from the guys in the command center, is in my opinion, what you'd call "scuttlebutt". Common "around the coffee pot" type conversations. There was however, some excitement in the command center during a time period in July of 1978 from the guys working in the command center. As you may or may not know, the general "Top Secret" environment of the military is on a very "need to know" basis. The constant threat of "long prison sentences in Ft Leavenworth, or just mysteriously "disappearing from existence" were the most common punishment for speaking of classified information outside the community of "those who needed to know."

I recall hearing the words "Crystal Palace" and "Crystal Knight" from several different individuals on several occasions during the July 1978 time frame. I really did not give it any serious thought until just a few months ago, when I heard the phrase "Crystal Knight" once again. I heard from a friend that some of the project managers from the 1960's provided "deathbed" confessions of things they felt the citizens of the world should really be aware of.

I "Googled" Project Crystal Knight, and spent many hours researching the various tidbits of information. I explored all the possible "Internet links" regarding the planet Serpo (the "final destination" of this exchange program), the dates and locations in the USA where the exchanges had been made, and the general circumstances that led to the creation and negotiations of this ET exchange program. The scattered pieces of this puzzle started to make some sense now.

An interesting note: I really marveled between some of the similarities of Project Crystal Knight and the 1977 movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind".

I am one who is knowledgeable of the fact that our government hides certain truths in the guise of "National Security". In addition, I am also very curious and constantly exploring and searching for all the "pieces of the puzzle" so that some sensible and logical explanation can be compiled that satisfies my personal curiosity of "things". Lastly, I strongly and wholeheartedly consider the Crystal Knight project as a "very probable" event.

Charles: I believe that most (but not all) of the core information he told me, and stated publicly, prior to the end of January 2011, was likely to have been correct.

[onawah]

Bill, please see the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33790-DW-next-incarnation-...-have-at-it&p=345568#post345568
regarding David Wilcock's newest article, regarding which I have a few more questions I hope you will answer.
Thanks!

[Forevernyt]

As far as the moon's real name, isn't it Luna?

[Seikou-Kishi]

proofTo anyone who would like proof of anything I present or suggest here: that's not possible.

It feels a bit weird to be quoting myself, but I remembered making a point on this line during the 50-minute commentary on the Charles interview.


No Bartolemeu, evidence is evidence, proof is proof. Evidence builds up a persuasive case that a certain proposition is true, proof is a single datum establishing conclusively that something is so. Evidence is all we ever usually have; proof is much more sparse, and that's true of all areas of investigation, not just ours.

To all of you who insist of getting 'proof' I would suggest acquainting yourself with a branch of philosophy called Epistemology (a brief overview can be found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology)). That there is an entire branch of philosophy devoted to knowledge and how we acquire it should tell you something about the nature of knowledge, evidence and proof. If you had a look at the great scarcity of actual proof (even for little things — I cannot prove that you have even eaten today. I could go through your bins but I'd only find compelling evidence, not proof) you would know that it's not something which can be demanded. I often think people demand proof because they do not want to undertake the intellectual effort of sifting through evidence and according it appropriate importance and weight.

Anybody wanting proof would find their time as well spent hunting for fairies.


As far as the moon's real name, isn't it Luna?

Well, that's the Latin name for it, but I'm not sure how that makes it the real name.

[Hervé]

Hahahahah... :pound:... proof... :sarcastic:... "prove it!"... :haha:

... (re-)read this post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33351-KGB-Agent-tells-you-wot-the-illusion-is&p=341720&viewfull=1#post341720 and one may be able to understand what's done with proofs by a vast majority of people driven down to that state of mind... never mind the professional arguers defending all kinds of agenda, like Hoagland, in the face of facts.

[Cidersomerset]

The moon has no other name according to QI but apparently they found a second earth moon in 1997 called a funny name 'Cruithne' celtic ........probably no help...

D1zuAQAhhMI

Funny discussion about it...

[derek]

Serpo and Charles

Charles: I believe that most (but not all) of the core information he told me, and stated publicly, prior to the end of January 2011, was likely to have been correct.

That is exaclty my point. You believe Charles is a agent of the cabal, yet still beleive most of what he says is true. Hence my comparison to Davids source. The same goes for serpo. I personally think there is good information in both the serpo and Charles material, I'm just making the comparision :)

[Carmody]

You seem to draw those "not fully human" types towards you, don't you bill? :)

It is an avatar/dimensional occupant system..so there has never been a 'human being' in the entirely history of the development of this race. :)

This 'human race' ---which is a duality vehicle/occupant system.

The idea, the very thought ,the very reality.... that you are singularity is entirely a remnant illusion created by the autonomous system of avatar operation and 'safe, working, continuance'.

[Bill Ryan]

You believe Charles is a agent of the cabal, yet still beleive most of what he says is true. Hence my comparison to Davids source. The same goes for serpo. I personally think there is good information in both the serpo and Charles material, I'm just making the comparision :)

A better point is that whistleblowers may start off by providing valuable information... after which they may be regarded as assets (or are compromised or influenced, and/or become obliged to play both sides) -- and then the equation gets rather more complicated.

One case in point (and pertinent to the Ben Fulford question) is that Leo Zagami, we believe, provided us with good information in our Project Camelot interview (http://projectcamelot.org/leo_zagami.html) of February 2008.

Soon after that, he was taken back, and became significantly unstable. This is beyond doubt. See his radio interview, linked below, in which he threatened to unleash violent terrorist attacks in Norway, and shoot the Prime Minister of Norway in the head unless he (Zagami) was given the Nobel Peace Prize(!). The hapless interviewer, Phil Jonkers, has no idea how to deal with this.

(He really does say this. Do listen: )

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/zagami_18_May_2008.mp3

For Camelot's public statement about this, see http://projectcamelot.org/index_archive_1.html, 19 May 2008 update. A short while before this audio extract, he had phoned Kerry and told her that he was being tortured by the CIA.

Leo Zagami is one of Ben Fulford's sources. If you listen to the audio extract above, you'll see the problem.

[Mike]

proofTo anyone who would like proof of anything I present or suggest here: that's not possible.

It feels a bit weird to be quoting myself, but I remembered making a point on this line during the 50-minute commentary on the Charles interview.


No Bartolemeu, evidence is evidence, proof is proof. Evidence builds up a persuasive case that a certain proposition is true, proof is a single datum establishing conclusively that something is so. Evidence is all we ever usually have; proof is much more sparse, and that's true of all areas of investigation, not just ours.

To all of you who insist of getting 'proof' I would suggest acquainting yourself with a branch of philosophy called Epistemology (a brief overview can be found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology)). That there is an entire branch of philosophy devoted to knowledge and how we acquire it should tell you something about the nature of knowledge, evidence and proof. If you had a look at the great scarcity of actual proof (even for little things — I cannot prove that you have even eaten today. I could go through your bins but I'd only find compelling evidence, not proof) you would know that it's not something which can be demanded. I often think people demand proof because they do not want to undertake the intellectual effort of sifting through evidence and according it appropriate importance and weight.

Anybody wanting proof would find their time as well spent hunting for fairies.


As far as the moon's real name, isn't it Luna?

Well, that's the Latin name for it, but I'm not sure how that makes it the real name.


great quote there - the one to 'Bartolemeu - and great post over-all. i do not think i've ever heard the distinctions between proof and evidence and the implications of those distinctions described so eloquently.

this is something i think we all understand intuitively, and when we see it described so clearly we slap our foreheads and wonder how we could have ever confused the two. we merely assume that a preponderance of evidence suggests proof, when this is not always so. we do this because, as humans, we are obsessed with canning and labeling everything with "conclusions".

on the flip side, we have those that will continue to deny things that seem obvious - something like ufo's - because there is no "proof", despite the overwhelming "evidence". thing is, people are set in their ways and will use the evidence/truth dynamic to serve their agenda - whether it be to prove or deny. intellectually lazy people will continue to demand "proof" to avoid doing the proper research, and someone who is perhaps a little overeager to "prove" something will present their "evidence" a bit overzealously - like certain whistleblowers are wont to do.

[derek]

That is a good point. Whether that is happening with David's source though is only speculation.

I definitly think there are people that are giving Ben Fulford disinformation, and that the WDS might want to vet some of their sources better. Zagami is definitley one of those people. Most of who he is in contact with appear to be legitmate sources (they are apparently made up of hundreds of people from intellegence agencies, military industrial complex, financiers etc) and most of his info appears to be good. I usually take what he says with a grain of salt.

Actually, the whole thing with zagami and the black pope. Fulford and the WDS had obtained phone audio of the black pope saying that he "had a grave ready" for Fulford among other things. After hearing that Fulford wrote about it on his blog and made this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyO4bFoMkCc&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=1&safe=active

Afterwards one of his vatican sources (probably zagami) told him that the black pope is really the good guy and wants to help humanity. Fulford wrote about it on his blog to the effect of "what we said about the black pope may not be true according to a vatican source, we will just have to see".

He has probably had several other conversations with the black pope using Zagami as an intermediary. Hence he says he is in contact with the black pope, although he has never actually talked to him on the phone.

[13th Warrior]

Folks, I can be just as guilty but, some are taking this thread Off Topic!

[Mike]

i believe you have made a very important point there, Bill. as i alluded to in my previous post, people are so anxious to can and label people as 'good'/ 'bad', perfectly truthful or egregiously deceptive, and so on. rarely do people regard the nuance, or the infinite shades of grey. i believe it's done because, as Seikou-Kishi pointed out, it's a great excuse for the intellectually lazy to avoid doing the required research.

an example of this that really, really pissed me off was the 'swift boat' tactics used by George W. Bush and his campaign when he was running for pres. against John Kerry in 2004. i can't tell you how many Bush supporters looked at me blankly and repeated the 'flip-flop' line as if they'd been hypnotized to do so. they simply couldn't understand how a young man could enter the armed forces with honorable intent to fight for his country, and then many, many years removed evolve a more mature and let's say spiritual viewpoint. but no - he was 'for' war 20 years ago and now he is 'against' it and therefore he is a liar and a 'flip-flopper'. LUDICROUS!

i see this in the whistle-blowing community Bill and it must drive you mad. Charles is a good example. He was neither good nor bad in my opinion, nor perfectly truthful or perfectly deceptive. You were neither perfectly credulous nor perfectly incredulous. It just was what it was, which was nuanced and heavily rooted in grey areas that required a high level of discernment and intuitive exercise for one to truly gain from it without going batty. i wish more folks understood this.

[onawah]

Hey guys,
I would like to direct you to the thread at:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33790-DW-next-incarnation-...-have-at-it&p=345568#post345568

where there is a discussion about David Wilcock's newest article from 10/31 and about his sources, many of whom, it would seem, differ from Ben Fulford's.
Although BF was the original source for the story about the DUMBs, DW has had information since then from many other sources.
(His new article goes into more detail than the last one, though it is something of a rehash, but he is working on a longer one that he says will have more links and more evidence.)
I've even broken it down for you in post #6 on that thread as to where DW refers to his sources and in what context, so you don't have to read the whole article.

This discussion about Fulford seems redundant to me--it's already been well established that his sources are unreliable, though some truth does emerge at times.
However, David Wilcock is claiming that
every key insider I know gave confirmation the bases were wiped out on 8/22 & 23.
Doesn't that seem like a statement worth investigating, considering the number of key insiders DW must know by now?
It can be easily disproved if it is an exaggeration, but I don't think that is DW's M.O.
Do you?


That is a good point. Whether that is happening with David's source though is only speculation.

Exactly!!

[Carmody]

i see this in the whistle-blowing community Bill and it must drive you mad. Charles is a good example. He was neither good nor bad in my opinion, nor perfectly truthful or perfectly deceptive. You were neither perfectly credulous nor perfectly incredulous. It just was what it was, which was nuanced and heavily rooted in grey areas that required a high level of discernment and intuitive exercise for one to truly gain from it without going batty. i wish more folks understood this.

The moment of change, of awakening, of illusion removal comes for those who are primed for it and are in the moment. The rest..they will not get it, and they will not even get the understanding of what it is they are looking for -correct.

A good friend taught me that: Within the shape of a correctly defined question, the answer will exist.

Meaning, if you can correctly define the question, you already have the answer at hand.

Those who continue to bark, scream, re-iterate, complain, slander, use innuendo, or are smarmy, sly, slick, dark, angry, etc.. in essence..all those people demand answers but in reality have no idea what the hell it is they are looking at and have no idea what it is they are looking for.

Not a blessed clue.

To cut to the chase, people have to be willing to undergo a process that will tear their minds apart.... before the truth of what they are comes to them in a clear fashion. And that it will take time, it will take years.

Until they accept that... and go through with it as an act and process, they are wasting their time ....in ways that allow them the immediate self comfort of a polished internal lie.

I told my friend, one that hammers me for the truth on all of this stuff, regarding the reality of it and what it is... and I tell him, "we've been down this road before, but you don't remember."

"You erased it from your mind."

The problem has never been external.

It has always been deep inside the individual, and lies no where else.

And this entire world and all these things in it are designed to do the one thing: To get you to look inside and break down and go through the pain of erasing the nightmare you have made for yourself.

And it does not matter if you are Joseph Stalin, Jesus Christ, Mother Teresa or Dick Cheney. The answer is the same.

The answer is an individual fit, created within the confines of one's cognition... while in this 'space.'

The answer is simple. Incredibly simple. You have to commit to sublimating the ego system. Then a dimensionally connected being can arise from within, to unfold, so to speak.

The rest of it ....is a case of one lying to themselves.

The ego blocking the self, blocking and misleading the occupant from understanding what it must, in essence, in reality and in truth, fully commit to ---as an actual act of self clearing.

This constant repetitive drone of crap , this unending repetition of crap, is only required due to people (individuals addressing the masses) not being able to have one answer for all people. The design is that it is an internal clearing so it is an internal individual question and individual answer of/for an internal individual lock.

Right now, there are about 7 billion names for god on this planet --- as there are 7 billion incarnated INDIVIDUALS.

[ROMANWKT]

i believe you have made a very important point there, Bill. as i alluded to in my previous post, people are so anxious to can and label people as 'good'/ 'bad', perfectly truthful or egregiously deceptive, and so on. rarely do people regard the nuance, or the infinite shades of grey. i believe it's done because, as Seikou-Kishi pointed out, it's a great excuse for the intellectually lazy to avoid doing the required research.

an example of this that really, really pissed me off was the 'swift boat' tactics used by George W. Bush and his campaign when he was running for pres. against John Kerry in 2004. i can't tell you how many Bush supporters looked at me blankly and repeated the 'flip-flop' line as if they'd been hypnotized to do so. they simply couldn't understand how a young man could enter the armed forces with honorable intent to fight for his country, and then many, many years removed evolve a more mature and let's say spiritual viewpoint. but no - he was 'for' war 20 years ago and now he is 'against' it and therefore he is a liar and a 'flip-flopper'. LUDICROUS!

i see this in the whistle-blowing community Bill and it must drive you mad. Charles is a good example. He was neither good nor bad in my opinion, nor perfectly truthful or perfectly deceptive. You were neither perfectly credulous nor perfectly incredulous. It just was what it was, which was nuanced and heavily rooted in grey areas that required a high level of discernment and intuitive exercise for one to truly gain from it without going batty. i wish more folks understood this.

I would like to tell you that some of us here have been researching UFO before you were born, but that does not stop anybody asking question that one feels are not shared for understandable reason, but we all live in hope for more info as I do and had done, you surmise to much my friend.

Regards to you
roman

[Mike]

i believe you have made a very important point there, Bill. as i alluded to in my previous post, people are so anxious to can and label people as 'good'/ 'bad', perfectly truthful or egregiously deceptive, and so on. rarely do people regard the nuance, or the infinite shades of grey. i believe it's done because, as Seikou-Kishi pointed out, it's a great excuse for the intellectually lazy to avoid doing the required research.

an example of this that really, really pissed me off was the 'swift boat' tactics used by George W. Bush and his campaign when he was running for pres. against John Kerry in 2004. i can't tell you how many Bush supporters looked at me blankly and repeated the 'flip-flop' line as if they'd been hypnotized to do so. they simply couldn't understand how a young man could enter the armed forces with honorable intent to fight for his country, and then many, many years removed evolve a more mature and let's say spiritual viewpoint. but no - he was 'for' war 20 years ago and now he is 'against' it and therefore he is a liar and a 'flip-flopper'. LUDICROUS!

i see this in the whistle-blowing community Bill and it must drive you mad. Charles is a good example. He was neither good nor bad in my opinion, nor perfectly truthful or perfectly deceptive. You were neither perfectly credulous nor perfectly incredulous. It just was what it was, which was nuanced and heavily rooted in grey areas that required a high level of discernment and intuitive exercise for one to truly gain from it without going batty. i wish more folks understood this.

I would like to tell you that some of us here have been researching UFO before you were born, but that does not stop anybody asking question that one feels are not shared for understandable reason, but we all live in hope for more info as I do and had done, you surmise to much my friend.

Regards to you
roman

easy, Mr. Roman.:)

i've just read your post 3 times and i can't honestly say that i really understand what you're saying, but you sound offended. and i just read my post over again and i can't really see where i might have offended you.

regardless, i'll readily concede that you likely know more about ufo's than myself if that will smooth things over;)

Cheers,
Mike

[Mike]

"within the shape of a correctly defined question, the answer will exist."

amen to that, Carmody.

[ROMANWKT]

All this nonsense started here because somebody dared to ask question, and now the lectures.

Regards to all
roman

[Mike]

All this nonsense started here because somebody dared to ask question, and now the lectures.

Regards to all
roman

well, i'm off to work for the moment, so "lecture" concluded.:rolleyes:

at ease, everyone.

[mosquito]

.........

(He really does say this. Do listen: )

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/zagami_18_May_2008.mp3



Leo Zagami - point taken !!!!! That has to be one of the funniest rants I've heard in ages, priceless, if you haven't listened yet folks, do so !

[Lord Sidious]

This is kind of off topic but i was just thinking, what is the name of the Earth's Moon?

I've only ever heard earthlings call it "the moon" like it's the first moon ever created and all the other moons of planets in our solar system have names...

What do other off planet folks call the Earth Moon?

The official name of our moon is 'Raymond Luxury Yacht' (pronounced 'Throatwobbler Mangrove')

:)

I see you still are a devilpigeon. :p




Well, that's the Latin name for it, but I'm not sure how that makes it the real name.

Maybe the vatican owns that too and so they have naming rights? :p


All this nonsense started here because somebody dared to ask question, and now the lectures.

Regards to all
roman

Well that is just great.
Another quality member gone.
Not happy.
Roman ya nugget, get back on here asap.

[mosquito]

WTF ? Why did he unsubscribe ?

I agree with LS, if you're reading this Roman, come back !

[learninglight]

Wow! It might hit our 'hollow' moon. So, it will look like...

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/ee/DeathStar2.jpg

this pic reminded me of this

HvHOCqbA6rE

and found this intersting

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1311/584/Asteroid_YU55_Important_Update_-_Video.html

much love

P.S. ROMANWKT COME BACK :)

[WhiteFeather]

i see this in the whistle-blowing community Bill and it must drive you mad. Charles is a good example. He was neither good nor bad in my opinion, nor perfectly truthful or perfectly deceptive. You were neither perfectly credulous nor perfectly incredulous. It just was what it was, which was nuanced and heavily rooted in grey areas that required a high level of discernment and intuitive exercise for one to truly gain from it without going batty. i wish more folks understood this.

The moment of change, of awakening, of illusion removal comes for those who are primed for it and are in the moment. The rest..they will not get it, and they will not even get the understanding of what it is they are looking for -correct.

A good friend taught me that: Within the shape of a correctly defined question, the answer will exist.

Meaning, if you can correctly define the question, you already have the answer at hand.

Those who continue to bark, scream, re-iterate, complain, slander, use innuendo, or are smarmy, sly, slick, dark, angry, etc.. in essence..all those people demand answers but in reality have no idea what the hell it is they are looking at and have no idea what it is they are looking for.

Not a blessed clue.

To cut to the chase, people have to be willing to undergo a process that will tear their minds apart.... before the truth of what they are comes to them in a clear fashion. And that it will take time, it will take years.

Until they accept that... and go through with it as an act and process, they are wasting their time ....in ways that allow them the immediate self comfort of a polished internal lie.

I told my friend, one that hammers me for the truth on all of this stuff, regarding the reality of it and what it is... and I tell him, "we've been down this road before, but you don't remember."

"You erased it from your mind."

The problem has never been external.

It has always been deep inside the individual, and lies no where else.

And this entire world and all these things in it are designed to do the one thing: To get you to look inside and break down and go through the pain of erasing the nightmare you have made for yourself.

And it does not matter if you are Joseph Stalin, Jesus Christ, Mother Teresa or Dick Cheney. The answer is the same.

The answer is an individual fit, created within the confines of one's cognition... while in this 'space.'

The answer is simple. Incredibly simple. You have to commit to sublimating the ego system. Then a dimensionally connected being can arise from within, to unfold, so to speak.

The rest of it ....is a case of one lying to themselves.

The ego blocking the self, blocking and misleading the occupant from understanding what it must, in essence, in reality and in truth, fully commit to ---as an actual act of self clearing.

This constant repetitive drone of crap , this unending repetition of crap, is only required due to people (individuals addressing the masses) not being able to have one answer for all people. The design is that it is an internal clearing so it is an internal individual question and individual answer of/for an internal individual lock.

Right now, there are about 7 billion names for god on this planet --- as there are 7 billion incarnated INDIVIDUALS.


These Words Seem Fitting To Your Post, Carmody:
There is no knowledge won without sacrifice, in order to gain anything you must first lose everything - The Buddha

[Truthseeker512]

Interesting about the Bosnian pyramids Truthseeker , seems strange how he reacted to you and the info...Did the subject of the over 300 pyramids in China come up ?

I know he is focused on his theories but as you say the Bosnian pyramids cannot just be dismissed like that ! Cheers Steve

What I found strange is that the Pyramids in Bosnia are ripe for exemplifying hyper dimensional physics. There is a giant whopping beam of energy shooting out the top of at least two structures that cannot be explained with conventional physics.
Hoagland, in theory, should be going crazy for this stuff. Especially because I have found correlations between the Bosnian Pyramids and Pyramids found at Elysium Planetia, Mars. Isnt he supposed be interested in Mars too?

I dont trust the man at all.

[nomadguy]

perhaps that is what the dark side of the moon is really structured like.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Truthseeker all these pyrimids around the world must have been used by a pre-ice age civilisation for some important reason, Nobody does all that work for fun or somthing to do

inbetween farming for some sort of mausoleum....They may have been re-used for that later, but as you say I would have thought Richard should have given you more respect and been excited

with the possibility of new sites...But again he may have become blinkered with his own theory he has invested so much time in which is undestandable, but not as he is found of saying

very Scientific....

Cheers Steve

[onawah]

Truthseeker512, Like you, I am fascinated with the Bosnian Pyramid. Also all the other pyramids and those that are being discovered now, including the many in China.
I am looking forward to hearing Dr Semir Osmangich's presentation on the Bosnian Pyramid at the 11:11 Conference in Little Rock.
Any ancient pyramid, and even new ones like the Moody Pyramids in Galveston, Texas, are important in helping us understand how the ancients harnessed energy for their own use, and for balancing the energies on the planet.

As I said in a previous post, I am beginning to think Hoagland is suffering from senile dementia or the early stages of Alzheimer's.
The fact that he is not making a lot of sense these days and that he was overtly hostile towards you would seem to justify that suspicion.
It's tragic, of course, if that is the case, but if understood, at least it will be easier to see why he has gone so far off track.
He has done some good work, but it may be that someone else is going to have to step up to take his place now, as it may be getting to the point where he is doing more harm than good.
I've got to the point where I am just sending him and his family love and healing energy.



Interesting about the Bosnian pyramids Truthseeker , seems strange how he reacted to you and the info...Did the subject of the over 300 pyramids in China come up ?

I know he is focused on his theories but as you say the Bosnian pyramids cannot just be dismissed like that ! Cheers Steve

What I found strange is that the Pyramids in Bosnia are ripe for exemplifying hyper dimensional physics. There is a giant whopping beam of energy shooting out the top of at least two structures that cannot be explained with conventional physics.
Hoagland, in theory, should be going crazy for this stuff. Especially because I have found correlations between the Bosnian Pyramids and Pyramids found at Elysium Planetia, Mars. Isnt he supposed be interested in Mars too?

I dont trust the man at all.

[Cidersomerset]

Mariposafe.....That Leo Zagami tape is priceless, If this is the mentality of the so called elite we are worse off than I thought..LOL

He is obviously emotionally upset at not being able to visit his son for fear of arrest, but to threaten to shoot the Norwiegen PM in the head

and let loose his Pakistani dogs of war is disturbing and all that swearing he is loosing any credibility he had........Odd interview cheers Steve..

[Truthseeker512]

Truthseeker512, Like you, I am fascinated in the Bosnian Pyramid. Also all the other pyramids and those that are being discovered now, including the many in China.
I am looking forward to hearing Dr Semir Osmangich's presentation on the Bosnian Pyramid at the 11:11 Conference in Little Rock.
Any ancient pyramid, and even new ones like the Moody Pyramids in Galveston, Texas, are important in helping us understand how the ancients harnessed energy for their own use, and for balancing the energies on the planet.

As I said in a previous post, I am beginning to think Hoagland is suffering from senile dementia or the early stages of Alzheimer's.
The fact that he is not making a lot of sense these days and that he was overtly hostile towards you would seem to justify that suspicion.
It's tragic, of course, if that is the case, but if understood, at least it will be easier to see why he has gone so far off track.
He has done some good work, but it may be that someone else is going to have to step up to take his place now, as it may be getting to the point where he is doing more harm than good.
I've got to the point where I am just sending him and his family love and healing energy.



Interesting about the Bosnian pyramids Truthseeker , seems strange how he reacted to you and the info...Did the subject of the over 300 pyramids in China come up ?

I know he is focused on his theories but as you say the Bosnian pyramids cannot just be dismissed like that ! Cheers Steve

What I found strange is that the Pyramids in Bosnia are ripe for exemplifying hyper dimensional physics. There is a giant whopping beam of energy shooting out the top of at least two structures that cannot be explained with conventional physics.
Hoagland, in theory, should be going crazy for this stuff. Especially because I have found correlations between the Bosnian Pyramids and Pyramids found at Elysium Planetia, Mars. Isnt he supposed be interested in Mars too?

I dont trust the man at all.

I dont think its illness, I think its much more likely to be cold, calculated disinfo and distraction.

[lake]

You seem to draw those "not fully human" types towards you, don't you bill? :)

It is an avatar/dimensional occupant system..so there has never been a 'human being' in the entirely history of the development of this race. :)

This 'human race' ---which is a duality vehicle/occupant system.

The idea, the very thought ,the very reality.... that you are singularity is entirely a remnant illusion created by the autonomous system of avatar operation and 'safe, working, continuance'.


You could then call us a parasite species? We infest and make use of another being for our own purpose.
What would this body be and how would it exist if I didn't control it?
What would its own nature be?

[K626]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.

Peace

K

[Eric J (Viking)]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.

Peace

K

Maybe its a sub-conscious need for 'something to land'... ;-)

viking

[RMorgan]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.

Peace

K

Hahahaha! It´s funny but I guess you´re right!! Elenin is barely gone and there´s already another asteroid to hit us!! How long will this last? What´s the next asteroid, after this one is gone as well?? Is life here so horrible that people are dreaming about an asteroid finishing it all for good?

I guess that damn JPL asteroid orbit tool just opened the doors for every lay to interpret every asteroid as a doom bearer.

[Cartomancer]

Let's see. The comet was a bust. Nothing happened. Now we are supposed to be afraid of what's trailing behind it. Gee Whiz I have to change my underwear out of the fear. Or as Col. Kurtz put it "The Horror, The Horror." Hoagland is the one always talking about all of the "fear porn" on the internet. Perhaps he is guilty of spreading some himself. I know I have some "crackpot" ideas myself but the fear thing bothers me. It seems like that's all anyone is interested in when it comes to the "strange." I'm not totally down on Hoag. I do enjoy listening to what he has to say but it does seem like fear is a big factor lately in what is going on. Maybe sometimes its just better to be blissfully ignorant.

[Cartomancer]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.

Peace

K

You get the reward for being the most quoted. I agree that it seems like many people just want a disaster of this proportion to happen and by thinking of it so much are we willing it to happen? Maybe.

One aspect of what you said reminded me of some things I came across in my studies of occult phenomena. There are definitely a group out there that gets off on generating the fear and the energy it creates. This would fall more under the heading of the Hollywood kind of occult we are all familiar with and not most of the secret society variety. This is kind of like the psychic vampirism that people point out from time to time. I am not saying Hoagland is a vampire but some people will take what he says and whip it into a frenzy and enjoy the resulting furor and fear mongering.

There is one group I have identified on the 'net that operates like kind of satanic anonymous and they revel in this type of activity. It goes far beyond pranks into the realm of causing people real danger and harassment. The people who do this actually enjoy it for occult reasons. they are feeding on this dark energy. There is a lot more going on in the world of the "chan" phenomena than one can imagine. Think in terms of an online video game that involves the occult and sorcery. A community of people sprang from this gaming community that are doing all of this. Look at the organization that 4chan and Anonymous(these two groups are not involved in what I am saying) have and then think of how that could be applied this way.

[ThePythonicCow]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.
Maybe there is a conscious awareness that some planet, asteroid, dwarf star or such is going to visit the inner solar system and potentially wreck havoc. One way to discredit and distract from legitimate warnings of such a "visitor" would be to first generate a lot of false alarms.

[13th Warrior]

Nobody can make you afraid; it's your choice!

[Bill Ryan]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.
Maybe there is a conscious awareness that some planet, asteroid, dwarf star or such is going to visit the inner solar system and potentially wreck havoc. One way to discredit and distract from legitimate warnings of such a "visitor" would be to first generate a lot of false alarms.

Or... the entire Elenin fiasco may have been a sophisticated test to evaluate how the alternative community responds and reacts when news is leaked about an incoming body causing potential effects on Planet Earth.

[Hervé]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.
Maybe there is a conscious awareness that some planet, asteroid, dwarf star or such is going to visit the inner solar system and potentially wreck havoc. One way to discredit and distract from legitimate warnings of such a "visitor" would be to first generate a lot of false alarms.

Or... the entire Elenin fiasco may have been a sophisticated test to evaluate how the alternative community responds and reacts when news is leaked about an incoming body causing potential effects on Planet Earth.

... or there is some atavic memories of something that did hit us right about when the skies had a similar configuration as displayed right about now? And someone is making sure the memory button is pushed repeatedly?

[RMorgan]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.
Maybe there is a conscious awareness that some planet, asteroid, dwarf star or such is going to visit the inner solar system and potentially wreck havoc. One way to discredit and distract from legitimate warnings of such a "visitor" would be to first generate a lot of false alarms.

Or... the entire Elenin fiasco may have been a sophisticated test to evaluate how the alternative community responds and reacts when news is leaked about an incoming body causing potential effects on Planet Earth.

... or there is some atavic memories of something that did hit us right about when the skies had a similar configuration as displayed right about now? And someone is making sure the memory button is pushed repeatedly?

Or maybe, most probably, it´s just the same old fear mongering brainwashing propaganda.

[Hervé]

Or maybe, most probably, it´s just the same old fear mongering brainwashing propaganda.

True, however "they" always managed to find the very thing that "resonate" very deeply with the vast majority of people like the "fires and brimstones" that were still fresh in people's memories way back when...

[apokalypse]

this is why i consider alot of these information are supplements, you just don't know either a fact or false information so i take a step back and leave it there as i listen or read. If you believe it straight away and things doesn't happen then you be in great for disappointment and misinform.

[K626]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.

Peace

K



Hahahaha! It´s funny but I guess you´re right!! Elenin is barely gone and there´s already another asteroid to hit us!! How long will this last? What´s the next asteroid, after this one is gone as well?? Is life here so horrible that people are dreaming about an asteroid finishing it all for good?

I guess that damn JPL asteroid orbit tool just opened the doors for every lay to interpret every asteroid as a doom bearer.


Think that's one of the possible interpretations...Perhaps our subconscious wants a massive intervention as our consciousness has been under full spectrum assault in recent years. Interesting. We kind of know the future anyway. It's just a case of remembering it.

Peace

K

[Truthseeker512]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.
Maybe there is a conscious awareness that some planet, asteroid, dwarf star or such is going to visit the inner solar system and potentially wreck havoc. One way to discredit and distract from legitimate warnings of such a "visitor" would be to first generate a lot of false alarms.

Or... the entire Elenin fiasco may have been a sophisticated test to evaluate how the alternative community responds and reacts when news is leaked about an incoming body causing potential effects on Planet Earth.

Ill accept that as a very likely possibility.

[lake]

no its only a refection of fear.

What you think will be.

[Kindred]

In reference to YU55's appearance, I think there are many levels to this 'event' that will be difficult to connect. I offer this post I made earlier today as just a part of this ongoing situation; http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33909-Army-MP-detained-Nov.-9th-connection

[Mandala]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.
Maybe there is a conscious awareness that some planet, asteroid, dwarf star or such is going to visit the inner solar system and potentially wreck havoc. One way to discredit and distract from legitimate warnings of such a "visitor" would be to first generate a lot of false alarms.

Paul, I have to agree this would be a good way to manipulate the public. It is kind of like the boy who cried "wolf". Create the distractions that turn out to be nothing and the general public becomes very nonchalant about the next so called astronomical event.

[Carmody]

There seems a real sub-conscious need for something to hit the planet.
Maybe there is a conscious awareness that some planet, asteroid, dwarf star or such is going to visit the inner solar system and potentially wreck havoc. One way to discredit and distract from legitimate warnings of such a "visitor" would be to first generate a lot of false alarms.

Or... the entire Elenin fiasco may have been a sophisticated test to evaluate how the alternative community responds and reacts when news is leaked about an incoming body causing potential effects on Planet Earth.

And every time I see a new member post some form of request that can be viewed as a 'poll', to get opinions, I sometimes see: 'data mining'. This is reinforced when I see it repeatedly from the same new member.


A general comment for all is:

One must try and understand that the way that the unwanted enter your sphere of life.... and wreak havoc... is specifically due to unrealized aspects of humane empathy and grouping/sharing/belonging. Unless one ties logic and analysis to even the 'love love love' mentality... they WILL go down in flames. I did not say attach paranoia or fear but ---logical analysis. A big difference.

Most importantly, to get to logical analysis, one must put the 'love love love' aside (but not forgotten or lessened in intensity). That caring and giving could be the foundation for the logical analysis of potentials and integration with the situation but it cannot be allowed to dominate in the aspects of human frailty. Meaning, to have the baser aspects of the body dictate logic to the given person. Once again, a big difference.

You are here to experience things and one thing is to learn to not have the wrong side of emotions dominate one's actions and thoughts/decisions.

The other half is to not have the desire components of sharing and loving dominate the process of logic.

A thing that many people don't want to hear, is that unbridled passions with good intent, in any direction, is detrimental to human balance and development. Both good/bad actions and feelings need be considered.

We, as humans, are conditioned to watch for our baser instincts reaching out to harm others and ourselves.

The thing that is not taught to very many is that unbridled happiness and joy, in the wrong place and context... can and does wreak havoc in the given life. In essence, love or trust,etc.. can be just as damaging as pain and anger, etc... if they are not balanced by clear thought about the given matters at hand.

We communicate very well on the internal level.

As soon as we externalize, we go down a level in our communications. From a more intellectual state, to one tinged in a more strong fashion by emotions.

When we get to the 'crowd response', we drop down to even lower level or layer of response. We go instinctual. Even though we may analyze the given event or situation, a strong component becomes of a crowd/instinctual nature.

If one really works at it, they can catch themselves doing these things. IMO, it is important to do so, so that one can understand where they themselves are really coming from. One cannot answer a question as correctly as possible until they have the question in hand as correctly as possible. And so on.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Rather than start a new thread I thought this was apt here...

Dutchsinse take...so many different theories ... :confused:

The connection — is the date of the test and the date of the asteroid passing .

11/9/11 for the EAS test .. and 11/9/11 for the asteroid flyby @ 150,000 miles — in “conspiracy” language thats like screaming fire in a crowded theater ! Or like dropping dynamite into a pond… The coincidences of past planned “false flag” catastrophe dates are below:

9/11/1991 = George H.W. Bush famous NWO speech

9/11/2001 = no explanation needed

9/11/2001 = US has mock terrorism drill run by NORAD simulating planes hitting buildings

3/11/2004 = madrid spain terrorist attack

3/11/2004 = spanish authorities hold mock terrorism drill simulating train attacks

7/7/2005 = london terrorist attack

7/7/2005 = british officials hold mock terrorism drill simulating a public transport attack

1/22/2011 = christschurch NZ earthquake

1/22/2011 = US reprsentatives quickly leave NZ right before quake hits (FEMA reps present)

3/11/2011 = japan earthquake, large tsunami, nuclear meltdown at Fukushima

3/11/2011 = US military holding “vibrant response” nuclear evacuation drills in USA

Now.. here we are :

11/9/2011 — US government holding mock EAS emergency alert simulating a national emergency

11/9/2011 — Asteroid 2005 YU55 is passing by earth

http://sincedutch.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/1132011-asteroid-2005-yu55-closest-approach-150000-miles-not-going-to-hit-earth/

~~~~~~~~

viking

[onawah]

I think there is a kind of collective unconscious memory imprint of catastrophes from the past such as the Fall of Atlantis, destruction of Maldek, etc.that surface in potentially catastrophic times and trigger hypervigilance in people, even though it may be largely irrational.
TPTW want to keep us in fear, so they play on that.
And people have been conditioned to "follow orders" so they spread fear and react in fear, not realizing how they are participating in their own victimization.
It keeps us unbalanced, and the conditioned response to unreasonable fear is unreasonable love/joy, which people use in an attempt to bring the human organism back into balance.
It doesn't work, because the whole program is based on lies and half truths, which keep people ungrounded and basically disempowered.
It's difficult to remain REAL and grounded, until that whole scenario and the unconscious mechanisms it produces is understood.

[Marin]

A general comment for all is:

One must try and understand that the way that the unwanted enter your sphere of life.... and wreak havoc... is specifically due to unrealized aspects of humane empathy and grouping/sharing/belonging. Unless one ties logic and analysis to even the 'love love love' mentality... they WILL go down in flames. I did not say attach paranoia or fear but ---logical analysis. A big difference.

Most importantly, to get to logical analysis, one must put the 'love love love' aside (but not forgotten or lessened in intensity). That caring and giving could be the foundation for the logical analysis of potentials and integration with the situation but it cannot be allowed to dominate in the aspects of human frailty. Meaning, to have the baser aspects of the body dictate logic to the given person. Once again, a big difference.

You are here to experience things and one thing is to learn to not have the wrong side of emotions dominate one's actions and thoughts/decisions.

The other half is to not have the desire components of sharing and loving dominate the process of logic.

A thing that many people don't want to hear, is that unbridled passions with good intent, in any direction, is detrimental to human balance and development. Both good/bad actions and feelings need be considered.

We, as humans, are conditioned to watch for our baser instincts reaching out to harm others and ourselves.

The thing that is not taught to very many is that unbridled happiness and joy, in the wrong place and context... can and does wreak havoc in the given life. In essence, love or trust,etc.. can be just as damaging as pain and anger, etc... if they are not balanced by clear thought about the given matters at hand.

Regarding this "balance".....I have much I'd like to share but at the moment I'd like to defer to one of our members, Sirius White. She describes the role of the sacred feminine in the context of this "balance" far more eloquently. :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32362-The-Return-of-the-Sacred-Feminine&p=330662&highlight=feminine#post330662

Here are a few highlights.


As the sacred feminine returns into the collective consciousness of people, so will the two hemispheres begin to synchronize in many people. It is at the state of hemispheric synchronization that we will see the truth emerge in a balance that is not to the extreme of either superstition or the dogma of mainstream "science." It is also where our brains will be able to utilize more of our brain capacity with less effort, and thus the psychic abilities will become open much easier.

When we lost our connection to the sacred feminine we lost our connection to the natural intuition within ourselves. We lived a materialistic, "rational," and often times BRUTAL way of life..... our idea of "Darwinism," which is now being turned on its head, and stressing the importance of the "mental" state. Now we are realizing the heart is intelligent and is the center of our electromagnetic (and biophotonic) toroidal Meissner/AntiMeissner field which surrounds the body- what many call the "Aura."

Electric and Magnetic Phenomenon is a representation of the balance of the two energies, masculine and feminine into the third field/energy- which can be likened to the Christ (unity) consciousness. Or "God state."

We have gone through our period of initiation into the light of rationalism, now it is time to begin our trek back to the esoteric. Not one over the other. But the balance of the two. Don't be surprised if this manifests in us as the harmonizing and merger between the esoteric and Science.

[onawah]

Thanks Marin L, that was just... perfection! :hug: :couch2: :thumb: :clap2: :love: :grouphug:

[bodhii71]

Does anyone know of Dr. Judy Woods work, and how Hoagland fits in with this? Seems he never really received permission to site her work, mispresented it according to Dr Woods colleague, (don't remember name).
I have a feeling, perhaps he's just chasing dollars...
I imagine walking down a path that might be career suicide, seeking truth, could leave one vulnerable, perhaps he's in dire straits... Just trying to survive.
He frequents Coast to coast, as a , get this, wait for it, science advisor. But isn't that a misrepresentation in and of itself?
I had thought he was a journalist.
Just playing a little at his own semantics, sorry :-). Something does seem amiss though.

[ThePythonicCow]

Does anyone know of Dr. Judy Woods work, and how Hoagland fits in with this? Seems he never really received permission to site her work, mispresented it according to Dr Woods colleague, (don't remember name).
Perhaps you are referring to Andrew Johnson, though there are others as well who have commented on this. You can find Johnson's comments on this at http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=325&Itemid=60

[astrid]

Carmody, thanks for that.

The "stepping down" that you speak of when we go from internal to external
dialogue is very well put. I experience this on a daily basis,
Now i understand more the energetic mechanics at play.
It's certainly frustrating and very hit and miss sometimes
to try and articulate things clearly, from complex internal landscapes,
into a language others understand.

Before i joined PA i never used to bother trying to communicate.
It certainly helps being surrounded by so many supportive and free thinking minds.
At least these days i have a go.

And the emotion intensity comments, right on, i learnt that one the hard way.
It sure does unbalance you, not to mention can result in some pretty
destructive choices.

[jcocks]

Yes, the images in our heads are so hard to put in words, even in the best (most coherent) of times....

Doesn't help that this year seems to be one full of miscommunication and emotional nuclear detonations aplenty! :)

[Bill Ryan]

-------

From Whitley Strieber's blog:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/quarter-mile-asteroid-passing-between-earth-and-moon-tuesday






Asteroid 255 YU55 will pass between the earth and the moon on Tuesday. The object is the larger than an aircraft carrier and would cause significant damage if it struck either our planet or the moon.

Predictably, it has become the subject of internet rumors that its orbit has changed and that it might therefore hit the moon. There is not the slightest actual evidence that anything like this has happened. Dan Yeomans, the director of NASA's Near Earth Object Program has said, "We're extremely confident, 100 percent confident, that this is not a threat."

Science writer Richard C. Hoagland said on Francis Walsh's Collision Course radio program that "this darn thing doesn't look like any asteroid I've ever seen." He continued that "it looks like something out of Star Wars."

Hoagland further stated that the object will pass the earth at "50,000 miles" but will not strike the planet. NASA has said that its closest approach will take place Tuesday at 6:28 PM EST, and will pass no closer than 202,000 miles. Hoagland continued, "This thing could either impact the moon or it could be a really close flyby."

NASA's calculations indicate that YU55 will pass the moon at a distance of 150,000 miles and has no chance of striking the moon at all.

To read NASA's detailed description of YU55's trajectory: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html

[Tony]

I wonder if all the ascensionist will hitch a ride!

[DNA]

I wonder if all the ascensionist will hitch a ride!

Now your going to feel awful silly when you get left behind. :)

[Carmody]

Amateur astrologers can find and track the object YU55, and then plot the information out, regarding testing NASA accuracy on the object's path and orbital transits. NASA's error should be found to be incredibly negligible. Then, if the numbers don't jibe, the given 'amateur' who predicts otherwise, will need to have their history on such things and such capacities ---inspected. To at least see if they have a history of a sort that can be inspected.

My question..and it has been a 'curiosity' type question, not a paranoid one, is: Can the ionic charge path of debris, in the form of being micro debris, or ions (literally) of a charged nature..if this ion path is enough to be any form of a 'potential' (electrical charge differential) pathway for enabling the specific direction of any potential CME or flare? Does the solar wind shift such ionic charge 'trails' to any degree and how much of a charge trail does such a thing have? I'm speaking of Elenin or YU55.

I'm also curious if this recent sunspot, AR1339, if it is associated with the physical placement and orbital of Elenin, regarding any form of the 'charge differential' that Elenin brought to the sun's vicinity. Whether or not this charge differential is enough to cause or even mildly enhance or alter the given sunspot. Then the logical question after that set, is: can it provide enough of a 'weak spot' in the 'charge balance' of the sun to cause a potential large X-Class to be tossed in our direction? This is, of course, as questions go...all predicated on the idea of the electric universe model. It is not a paranoid question for me, it merely a query of the potentials, and whether the question even exists or not.

Or, if the mentioned sunspot is being hyped to provide further (psycho)soma(tic) for the distracted masses; For the sunspot to be part of the whole current emergency grid test exercises in the US, etc.

[SEAM]

Gotta admit, it was a bit unusual, on Friday, when Brian Williams, of NBC nightly news brought up YU55 and ended the very short segment with "Though it's always good to have your affairs in order".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1GLVRqLlJM

[Fred Steeves]

I wonder if all the ascensionist will hitch a ride!

I wonder how many Buddhists may never see it coming...:P

Cheers,
Fred

[Calz]

I wonder if all the ascensionist will hitch a ride!

I wonder how many Buddhists may never see it coming...:P

Cheers,
Fred

Last time I jumped into a thread without being current on the previous posts I made a fool outta myself by taking something out of context.

I will rectify that situation by giving my warm appreaciation for both of these ... interesting ... comments :)

[SEAM]

This projectile actually comes closer to Mars then the Earth.. though no one is fearing for it's safety..

However... (there's always a but) even the US House of Representatives aren't taking any chances... this from the official congressional record:

2:11:59 P.M. Mr. Farenthold asked unanimous consent That when the House adjourns on Friday, November 4, 2011, it adjourn to meet at 10 a.m. on Monday, November 7, 2011. Agreed to without objection.
2:12:00 P.M. Mr. Farenthold asked unanimous consent That when the House adjourns on Monday, November 7, 2011, it adjourn to meet at 2:30 p.m. on Thursday, November 10, 2011. Agreed to without objection.
2:13:00 P.M. Mr. Farenthold asked unanimous consent That when the House adjourns on Thursday, November 10, 2011, it adjourn to meet at 2 p.m. on Monday, November 14, 2011. Agreed to without objection.

[Carmody]

I wonder if all the ascensionist will hitch a ride!

I wonder how many Buddhists may never see it coming...:P

Cheers,
Fred

Last time I jumped into a thread without being current on the previous posts I made a fool outta myself by taking something out of context.

I will rectify that situation by giving my warm appreciation for both of these ... interesting ... comments :)

To me, the idea of someone making a fool out of themselves is an emotional casting and base consideration, and I try fairly hard to remember that my emotions are a base body responses pattern.. and that I must temper their dominance of my overall state with logic and compassion. The logic being that we all have our struggles with balance, behavior and clarity to some degree or another at any given moment.

To me, the forum represents a place where those who are aware of such potentials within themselves and are working in the real sense toward rectifying and balancing the self, with regard to the upward spiral of individual and collective human development..the forum represents a place where those (people) can gather and try and put some shape to the current situation that this globe seems to be involved in. On any given level of this complex multi-tiered question and answer.

The seemingly 'hipshot' fired tool of forum removal of any given members is, to me, predicated on their given internal and then externalized position and actions regarding their personal efforts and collective involvement of and with the forum.

The forums stated intent being or resembling some collective stance of doing so (framing and proffering solutions to said complex questions), without (to some degree) the interference from the repetitively interfering or simply incapable or recalcitrant individuals.

[Fred Steeves]

To me, the idea of someone making a fool out of themselves is an emotional casting and base consideration, and I try fairly hard to remember that my emotions are a base body responses pattern.. and that I must temper their dominance of my overall state with logic and compassion. The logic being that we all have our struggles with balance, behavior and clarity to some degree or another at any given moment.

To me, the forum represents a place where those who are aware of such potentials within themselves and are working in the real sense toward rectifying and balancing the self, with regard to the upward spiral of individual and collective human development..the forum represents a place where those (people) can gather and try and put some shape to the current situation that this globe seems to be involved in. On any given level of this complex multi-tiered question and answer.

The seemingly 'hipshot' fired tool of forum removal of any given members is, to me, predicated on their given internal and then externalized position and actions regarding their personal efforts and collective involvement of and with the forum.

The forums stated intent being or resembling some collective stance of doing so (framing and proffering solutions to said complex questions), without (to some degree) the interference from the repetitively interfering or simply incapable or recalcitrant individuals.

Sorry Carmody, but huh???:wacko2: Ya lost me there bro...

Cheers,
Fred

[Tony]

How can one make a fool of that which does not exist?
It's all pie in the sky.

[Lord Sidious]

How can one make a fool of that which does not exist?
It's all pie in the sky.

Better than pie in your earole. :p

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[Calz]

Sorry Carmody, but huh???:wacko2: Ya lost me there bro...

Cheers,
Fred


Backorders on the Carmody to English language translation software (somebody is going to make a *killing* on that one!!!)

[Tony]

Hello Calz and Fred,
Now this is a pie fight..... and Hoagland will probably have a theory about it.

23AvbQz9Ee8

[Carmody]

How can one make a fool of that which does not exist?
It's all pie in the sky.

exactly so.

[Adam Greenland]

I honestly don't understand the criticism Hoagland gets for Elenin.

The only thing he predicted about this comet, was that the (19.5) numbers pointed to it being a ship, and that it might deliver a coded message (about 2012), which the US President might have received in that Colorado bunker in September.

As far as everyone else is concerned, he said we should take the 19.5's on board, and a field around the "ship" might trigger some uplift in consciousness. But that can neither be proven or unproven.

The only real predictions I've seen Hoagland go all-in on, are the structures on Mars, and the buildings on the moon. He's not one for "promising" events on specific dates.

This interview about YU-55 is another occasion where he talks about what MIGHT or COULD happen, and the frenzy grows from there.

[Adam Greenland]

in Richard's opinion and it's all based on 19.5

It's actually 19.47º -- not 19.5º. This is just the simpler, rounded-up number.

Hoagland made that mean 19.5... whereas 19.5 hours would actually be 19 hours 30 minutes, i.e. half past seven. In fact, it should be 19.47 hours, which would actually be 19 hours 28 mins. This (and much more) illustrates the pattern-seeking of Hoagland's analytical process.



I agree that Hoagland is pattern-seeking, but I don't find it unreasonable to assume that the "ritualists" might find 19.5 (and even 7.30) more appropriate.

Just take the Apollo 11 mission duration of 195 hrs, (18 minutes, and 35 seconds). There is no feasible way NASA could have finished that mission in something like 194 hours and 7 minutes. They WOULD need a mean.

If these guys ARE ritualists, and 19.47 is THE number, then a mission time of 195 hours could be planned in advance. The 18 mins, 35 secs could just be spare change in a journey that massive.


I guess the next question is "Where is 19.5 in all the other NASA missions?"

The only response I have to that is this was the mission that gave NASA their first real "first". You could say previous missions orbiting the moon would be a "first", but the whole purpose of Apollo was to put a man on the moon.

[Carmody]

Exactly thank you!



Oh no!!! Hoaxland strikes again!!!

Now that Elenin is gone, he found another comet to blame!! Will this never end?

Someone who makes the bulk of their living from the alternative media has to keep the plates spinning somehow.

When one has to try and make distinctions between what is 'real' and what is not it also includes that sort of distinction. Balance in the individual involves making a given observation, and phrasing one's observations in an non-derogatory manner. However, I'm not saying that you did such a thing, if one concludes that I'm taking a negative stance after observing and reflecting openly on your comment. But it could certainly be misinterpreted that way.

I have areas of my personality which some might consider to be paranoid, but I try to use reason in those areas and I may see it differently. I see potentials in situations that need analysis, and some people have done their background work,and present their info that they feel is pertinent. Richard is doing what he is doing.

underneath all of this analysis on 'reality' there is an underlying thread, a question -of the nature of reality...... that is a big enough consideration that it frames and shapes all of this. Even the idea of thinking and reading.

That thread of understanding...the very concept of the formless aspects of the nature of reality on the fundamental analysis, it cannot be separated from this discussion, as it is the very thing that allows the question to have a potential existence, along with the idea of reality having potential existence.

This is the kind of component that is critical... that is missing in the 'realist' and 'linear' idea of reality and the idea of one 'simply reflecting the nature of the universe from an instinctual based analytical/intellectual stance.'

Meaning, if one is not considering, in some connected fashion.... something along the lines of "whether Descartes or Buddha were correct, or not", in their analysis of of this thread's intent, then they miss the point of the exercise. It is absolutely FUNDAMENTAL and interconnected with the subject of this thread to the point that the two cannot be separated or considered separately.

The idea of the fundamentals of the human reality edifice are essential knowledge when it comes to deciphering if one's chain is being jerked or not. And on into a more complex analysis from that point.

The idea of 'what am I', 'what is this place', 'what is this reality thing', 'what is awareness', etc, and ...'what is this thread about'..well..all of that is connected directly and cannot be separated.

And as soon as one separates those components from one another due to incapacity or lack of desire to analyze them as a set, then they lose the the entire thread of reality and stand to loose much of what they could get from the proffered situation.

I'm saying that: If all that one is doing here.... is trying to figure out if Richard Hoagland is full of crap -or not-, then one is not even close to understanding any of this.

[onawah]

I think I understand, Carmody.
Many exercises on many levels going on here all at once, and it can become a real balancing act, but fun and instructive as long as one doesn't lean too far in any one direction. :plane:

Failing that, there's always the "Well, it's all an Illusion anyway" mindset to fall back on, but that doesn't usually satisfy for long for us multidimensional beings...:crazy_pilot:

[RMorgan]

Hi everyone,

I was just playing with numbers here and got to this.

I just posted it on the Lighter Side, because I think whenever you have a fixed result, it´s easy to play with numbers to reach this result.

I don´t take this things very serious, but as some of you do, I thought you might find it to be interesting. ;)

Here´s the original thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/editpost.php?p=350133&do=editpost

Here´s is the calculation:

YU55

YU

Y=25th letter U=21th letter

25+21=46 > 4+6=10 > 10+1=11

55

5+5=10 > 10-1=09 > 10+1=11


11/09/11

Or...

YU

Y=25th letter U=21th letter

25+21=46 > 4+6=10 > 10+1=11

55

5+5=10 > 10+1=11 > 10+1=11

11/11/11

Have a lovely week everyone! :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[Mandala]

Hi, I posted on Kimberly's thread."The Emergency Action Message," about Mr. Comet Watch's video. He believes that JPL has changed the data dealing with the AUs the asteroid will be from earth on 11/9. He says the data now shows the asteroid will be closer on 11/9 than on 11/8. I do not track or keep screen shots of JPL, so I can not validate this independently. The video from Mr. Comet Watch is on Kimberly's thread.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, I posted on Kimberly's thread."The Emergency Action Message," about Mr. Comet Watch's video. He believes that JPL has changed the data dealing with the AUs the asteroid will be from earth on 11/9. He says the data now shows the asteroid will be closer on 11/9 than on 11/8. I do not track or keep screen shots of JPL, so I can not validate this independently. The video from Mr. Comet Watch is on Kimberly's thread.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html





Near-Earth asteroid 2005 YU55 will pass within 0.85 lunar distances from the Earth on November 8, 2011. The upcoming close approach by this relatively large 400 meter-sized, C-type asteroid presents an excellent opportunity for synergistic ground-based observations including optical, near infrared and radar data.

The attached animated illustration shows the Earth and moon flyby geometry for November 8th and 9th when the object will reach a visual brightness of 11th magnitude and should be easily visible to observers in the northern and southern hemispheres.

The closest approach to Earth and the Moon will be respectively 0.00217 AU and 0.00160 AU on 2011 November 8 at 23:28 and November 9 at 07:13 UT.





http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/2005_YU55_approach_movie.gif

[Tony]

Well, not long now to see how doomed we are! It's 4.15pm.
It's that deja vu again. Come on people it's getting funnier
by the day!

[Eagle]

Have we not been dealing with the fact that eventually the earth will be hit by a comet large enough to cause serious damages? We deal with falling meteorites all the time this is no different just more significant in scope. Murphy’s Law would indicate that it will happen at some point.

[13th Warrior]

Hi, I posted on Kimberly's thread."The Emergency Action Message," about Mr. Comet Watch's video. He believes that JPL has changed the data dealing with the AUs the asteroid will be from earth on 11/9. He says the data now shows the asteroid will be closer on 11/9 than on 11/8. I do not track or keep screen shots of JPL, so I can not validate this independently. The video from Mr. Comet Watch is on Kimberly's thread.

I've tried to access JPL's website to verify this and i cannot gain access; this could be do to site traffic?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi, I posted on Kimberly's thread."The Emergency Action Message," about Mr. Comet Watch's video. He believes that JPL has changed the data dealing with the AUs the asteroid will be from earth on 11/9. He says the data now shows the asteroid will be closer on 11/9 than on 11/8. I do not track or keep screen shots of JPL, so I can not validate this independently. The video from Mr. Comet Watch is on Kimberly's thread.

I've tried to access JPL's website to verify this and i cannot gain access; this could be do to site traffic?

Hmmmm! check this out ...

http://earthchanges.ning.com/profiles/blogs/unable-to-access-the-noah-amd-some-nasa-sites-today-the-timing-is

viking

[Mandala]

Bill this is your forte, not mine. Can you interpret these calculations?

Topic started on 7-11-2011 @ 10:30 AM by TomServo
I am an engineer and my job involves various approaches to manipulating and analyzing data. I have this macro tool i use to interpolate and extrapolate data. So I took the distances of YU55 between Nov 4 - 11 (according to JPL, the close approach data is Nov 9 at 0.0022AU). Therefore, i get the following dataset:

Date Ref App Dist.
4 -5 0.0391
5 -4 0.0312
6 -3 0.0234
7 -2 0.0156
8 -1 0.0079
9 0 0.0022
10 1 0.0085
11 2 0.0162

Then I interpolate a per hour basis. So it looks something like:

Date Ref App Dist.
4 -5 -0.0391
-4.958333333 -0.038770833
-4.916666667 -0.038441667
-4.875 -0.0381125
... ... ...

Now think about this for a second... First of all, over a 7 day period, the trajectories of these two bodies are going to be relatively linear (straight). Therefore, the relative distance between the two will be linear as well (no corealis or angular acceleration or anything like that). Therefore, I should not see any significant disturbances in the data.
Secondly, the day to day distance given by jpl is taken at a 24 hr interval. Everything in between, they interpolate (supposedly just like I did). I compared their hour by hour distance to my interpolated data. All was spot on Until I got to the 8th (day before/of close approach). I observed that their distance decayed much more slowly than mine. So I created the following data. Notice, i applied the use of negative and positive distance to account for distance before and after close approach:

4 -5 -0.0391
5 -4 -0.0312
6 -3 -0.0234
7 -2 -0.0156
8 -1 -0.0079
9 0 0.0022
10 1 0.0085
11 2 0.0162

And came up with this during the course of Nov 8th:

8 -1 -0.0079
-0.958333333 -0.007479167
-0.916666667 -0.007058333
-0.875 -0.0066375
-0.833333333 -0.006216667
-0.791666667 -0.005795833
-0.75 -0.005375
-0.708333333 -0.004954167
-0.666666667 -0.004533333
-0.625 -0.0041125
-0.583333333 -0.003691667
-0.541666667 -0.003270833
-0.5 -0.00285
-0.458333333 -0.002429167
-0.416666667 -0.002008333
-0.375 -0.0015875
-0.333333333 -0.001166667
-0.291666667 -0.000745833
-0.25 -0.000325
-0.208333333 9.58333E-05
-0.166666667 0.000516667
-0.125 0.0009375
-0.083333333 0.001358333
-0.041666667 0.001779167
9 0 0.0022

Which indicates that the close approach distance is actually 0.0000958333 AU at about 7pm.

When I plotted this across the close approach date (9th, or day 0), I saw an odd jink (referenced above by differing distance decay), indicating that the supposed close approach distance (.0022) was further than the distance that the data would indicate IF (0, .0022) was not a 'known' point in the data.
So, I took the same approach, except using this data as reference:

Date Ref App Dist.
4 -5 -0.0391
5 -4 -0.0312
6 -3 -0.0234
7 -2 -0.0156
8 -1 -0.0079
10 1 0.0085
11 2 0.0162

Now things get interesting. According to this data, removing the supposed close approach distance which made me suspicious, the following is what the 8th looks like:

8 -1 -0.0079
-0.958333333 -0.007558333
-0.916666667 -0.007216667
-0.875 -0.006875
-0.833333333 -0.006533333
-0.791666667 -0.006191667
-0.75 -0.00585
-0.708333333 -0.005508333
-0.666666667 -0.005166667
-0.625 -0.004825
-0.583333333 -0.004483333
-0.541666667 -0.004141667
-0.5 -0.0038
-0.458333333 -0.003458333
-0.416666667 -0.003116667
-0.375 -0.002775
-0.333333333 -0.002433333
-0.291666667 -0.002091667
-0.25 -0.00175
-0.208333333 -0.001408333
-0.166666667 -0.001066667
-0.125 -0.000725
-0.083333333 -0.000383333
-0.041666667 -4.16667E-05
9 0 0.0003
0.041666667 0.000641667
0.083333333 0.000983333

Which indicates that the close approach distance is 0.0000416667AU = 3904 miles at about 11pm on the 8th, which is quite about closer than 200,000 miles.

This might not make sense to some. All I am trying to say here is that it appears the JPL data is inconsistent.

Some have asked for some sort of data representation. Here is a basic plot of the two datasets described above. One 'With' (blue) the 0.0022 point included, and the other 'Without' (red) the 0.0022 point included, substituting interpolation. I have done nothing to exaggerate how this data appears. It is what it is. In response to Phage, you can see when looking at such a narrow scope of 1 week, the data should be relatively linear. You can admit that this visual representation of the data indicates adverse manipulations. I apologize for any confusion. The point of this post is indicated in this image. It has little to do with accurate/inaccurate interpolations, but rather the accuracy and integrity of the supposed 0.0022 close approach distance.

x = Days (-6 to 2)
y = Distance (negative prior to close approach, positive after close approach)

link: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread773044/pg1

[Bill Ryan]

Bill this is your forte, not mine. Can you interpret these calculations?

I understand what he's saying, but can't easily check it as I don't know the reference source of his data. He says -- basically -- that if you plot the asteroid's trajectory co-ordinates against date/time, then the supposedly closest point (0.0022 AU: an AU is an astronomical unit... 1 AU = the distance from the earth to the sun) is anomalous, and that it's actually much closer than claimed.

My suspicion is that there's a misunderstanding about the figures. The calculations are dynamic and complex, as the Earth and Moon are also in motion all the time.

But we'll soon know. My strong feeling is that we can trust NASA/JPL on this one. Too many amateur astronomers are watching carefully, and the object will be visible on every telescope.

[mountain_jim]

I believe the ATS author of the above indicated a mistake in his math, much later in thread, but I just skimmed so can't say for sure. I also believe I read another post who said something about the linear assumptions he made were also incorrect, and some(?) other data adjustment was required.

[13th Warrior]

JPL's website is still acting funny; I haven't been able to look at the orbital model yet but, i did check the close approach data chart and that information hasn't changed...

[Eric J (Viking)]

The new google search engine picture? anyone....

http://www.google.co.uk/logos/2011/Edmond_Haley-2011-hp.jpg

http://www.google.co.uk/

viking

[eric charles]

Nasa jpl has just changed the numbers AGAIN, gonna pass at 0,0016 AU , the orbital animation isnt working though theirJava applet is malfunctioning,, but one thing i can tell you , the data keeps changing and changing

min AU max AU

0.00160120944785756 0.00160119802658468

[Tony]

Can someone get me up to speed?
If Hoagland is right will the Annunaki be here in a couple hours?

[Lord Sidious]

Can someone get me up to speed?
If Hoagland is right will the Annunaki be here in a couple hours?

Some of them are already here.
They never left.
As for reinforcements, I think they are further away than today.

[Forevernyt]

Nope, not the Annunaki.

Ming The Merciless!

http://pdxretro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ming20the20Merciless_thumb.jpg

[anklebiter]

Of course, even if they now know that it is going to hit us, they wouldn't tell us.

[morgs59]

Can someone get me up to speed?
If Hoagland is right will the Annunaki be here in a couple hours?

I reckon they will be coming for Jimmy Savile's funeral. Such razzamatazz would they miss it?? Jim fixed it for them. ;)

[STATIC]

This is on the front page of msn today...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45192692/ns/technology_and_science-space/

pretty much same old same old

Strange that the data on it's trajectury keeps changing when they are supposadly so acurate with these things.

[13th Warrior]

Nasa jpl has just changed the numbers AGAIN, gonna pass at 0,0016 AU , the orbital animation isnt working though theirJava applet is malfunctioning,, but one thing i can tell you , the data keeps changing and changing

min AU max AU

0.00160120944785756 0.00160119802658468

Are you certain that these numbers are for the Earth and not the Moon?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


This is on the front page of msn today...

http://http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/07/8688912-your-guide-to-the-asteroid-encounter

pretty much same old same old

Strange that the data on it's trajectury keeps changing when they are supposadly so acurate with these things.

I am unable to link?

[anklebiter]

This is on the front page of msn today...

http://http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/07/8688912-your-guide-to-the-asteroid-encounter

pretty much same old same old

Strange that the data on it's trajectury keeps changing when they are supposadly so acurate with these things.

Link isn't working for me either, but this thing does act up from time to time.

[Mu2143]

Dream - 1/3 of the Moon struck - Deep Impact - Comet,asteriod - Wrath warning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KsxpOfEKAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KsxpOfEKAA

[shadowstalker]

I find it odd that when something may happen in the sky that there is so much cloud cover, considering the the 8th and 9th and YU55 and other previous dates of cool happenings
can't video tape anything

[Czarek]

same here. I've been hoping to see this but out of the blue, blue sky turns to thick fog all over. So much for the Blue Star prophecy...

[Carmody]

Bill this is your forte, not mine. Can you interpret these calculations?
]

8908.27 miles

This is assuming the calculations for 'AU' (astronomical unit), is calculated from the surface of the sun to the surface of the earth, NOT from the center of the sun to the center of the earth.

Regardless, that is within the margin of error, IMO.

With the sun radius being 435,000 miles, or 696,000km..one can see that such a calculation puts yu55 within any potential margin of error, IMO.

[eric charles]

Nasa jpl has just changed the numbers AGAIN, gonna pass at 0,0016 AU , the orbital animation isnt working though theirJava applet is malfunctioning,, but one thing i can tell you , the data keeps changing and changing

min AU max AU

0.00160120944785756 0.00160119802658468

Are you certain that these numbers are for the Earth and not the Moon?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


This is on the front page of msn today...

http://http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/07/8688912-your-guide-to-the-asteroid-encounter

pretty much same old same old

Strange that the data on it's trajectury keeps changing when they are supposadly so acurate with these things.

I am unable to link?

prety damn sure it was earth Warrior , now i cant access the site no more , freaking strange

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/

[13th Warrior]

Nasa jpl has just changed the numbers AGAIN, gonna pass at 0,0016 AU , the orbital animation isnt working though theirJava applet is malfunctioning,, but one thing i can tell you , the data keeps changing and changing

min AU max AU

0.00160120944785756 0.00160119802658468

Are you certain that these numbers are for the Earth and not the Moon?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


This is on the front page of msn today...

http://http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/07/8688912-your-guide-to-the-asteroid-encounter

pretty much same old same old

Strange that the data on it's trajectury keeps changing when they are supposadly so acurate with these things.

I am unable to link?

prety damn sure it was earth Warrior , now i cant access the site no more , freaking strange

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/

I got in; the orbit diagram doesn't match the close approach data.

The model does indeed have the close approach moved ahead one day for Nov. 9th but the distance hasn't changes at 0.0022AU

Here is the Close Approach Data from JPL's website; this hasn't changed:

2011-Nov-08 23:28 < 00:01 Earth 0.00217202171435859 0.0021720112245861 0.00217203220571683
2011-Nov-09 07:14 < 00:01 Moon 0.00160120944785756

[mountain_jim]

Got this link from chani forum...

Live viewing of the asteroid here starting in 9 minutes (4pm est):

http://events.slooh.com/


I don't know if membership is required or not to view..

edit: membership not required.

[shadowstalker]

Posted on FB thanks

[Dick]

i'm watching it right now, no membership,

Dick.

[mountain_jim]

Now if the 'friendly' aliens really wanted disclosure, now would be a good time to show up in that telescope viewer and put on a show. :)

[Carmody]

Now if the 'friendy' aliens really wanted disclosure, now would be a good time to show up in that telescope viewer and put on a show. :)

I would expect to see:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/obscene/eck05.gif


and the reactions of:


:shocked::caked::photo::pop2::behindsofa:

[aranuk]

It is getting more and more difficult to know who to believe these days!

I believe you.

Stan

[shadowstalker]

Now if the 'friendy' aliens really wanted disclosure, now would be a good time to show up in that telescope viewer and put on a show. :)

I would expect to see:

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/obscene/eck05.gif


and the reactions of:


:shocked::caked::photo::pop2::behindsofa:

That was just to kewl :humble:

[Bill Ryan]

Nasa jpl has just changed the numbers AGAIN, gonna pass at 0,0016 AU , the orbital animation isnt working though theirJava applet is malfunctioning,, but one thing i can tell you , the data keeps changing and changing

min AU
0.00160120944785756

max AU
0.00160119802658468

0.0016 = fly-by at 147,000 miles from the moon, tomorrow.
0.0022 = fly-by at 202,000 miles from the Earth, today. (This number hasn't changed.)

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news171.html

[christian]

It is getting more and more difficult to know who to believe these days!

Fair enough, it nudges one towards realizing that truth is best discerned within.

[Adam Greenland]

From JPL:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIwX0Qeid9o

[Tommy]

Re-posting OP content here as it is relevant to this discussion:

RICHARD C. HOAGLAND will do a free broadcast regarding YU55 and events connected tonight with Kerry Cassidy .... More guests To Be Announced

TO LISTEN AND ASK QUESTIONS: GO TO: livestream.com/projectcamelotlive/


Stay tuned for details for tonight's live broadcast!

Europe: Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 03:00 AM GMT

West-Coast US: November 8th 7 PM PST

[Laurel]

I find it odd that when something may happen in the sky that there is so much cloud cover, considering the the 8th and 9th and YU55 and other previous dates of cool happenings
can't video tape anything

Overcast and rainy here, too. Can't see a thing in the sky. Any chance this has something to do with the enormous amount of chemtrails the past few days? Honestly, I've never seen so many in my area as there were on Monday.

[Lazlo]

My watch has it at 3:28 PST. Isn't this the exact moment of closest approach to Earth?
....
....
....
....
Still here, I am going to play with the kids :cool:

[Bill Ryan]

-------

A good article:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/08/opinion/urry-asteroid-earth-risk/index.html?

And an interesting size/distance analogy (always useful):





If the Earth were a medium-sized house, the moon would be a large car about half a mile away (nine football fields). The asteroid would be a tiny pencil point dot (like the thinnest lead you can buy for a mechanical pencil) that never gets closer to the Earth-house than about seven football fields away.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[STATIC]

This is on the front page of msn today...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45192692/ns/technology_and_science-space/

pretty much same old same old

Strange that the data on it's trajectury keeps changing when they are supposadly so acurate with these things.

Sorry had 2 http's should work now

[shadowstalker]

I find it odd that when something may happen in the sky that there is so much cloud cover, considering the the 8th and 9th and YU55 and other previous dates of cool happenings
can't video tape anything

Overcast and rainy here, too. Can't see a thing in the sky. Any chance this has something to do with the enormous amount of chemtrails the past few days? Honestly, I've never seen so many in my area as there were on Monday.
it started clearing up i see the moon with no issues, but if it is as small as they say what would be the point?

[derek]

From Hoaglands facebook


Toni,

The nationwide Emergency Alert System (EAS) test did NOT take place today!

Portions of the nation DID have "some kind of "test" (in San Diego, according to our first-hand reporter, local television broadcasts were interrupted for 35 full minutes!).

In other sections -- like here, in Albuquerque -- NOTHING.

If, as we speculated earlier, this much-ballyhooed "test" was actually designed to allow the White House to comment on and calm fears around "anomalous behavior" of YU55, the fact that AFTER YU55 flew by without incident, such a "test" was also canceled, should not surprise us ....

And, so far, there has been NO official FEME or FCC explanation of "why" this test did NOT occur as announced ... and planned.

Just more "weridness" .... :)

What DID happen is this remarkable story re YU 55, put out by the BBC earlier today, in which THESE words leaped off the screen--

"Although invisible to the naked eye, scientists said they spotted STRANGE STRUCTURES ON ITS SURFACE as it [YU55] spun past at 30,000mph (48 280.32 km/h) [emphasis added] ...."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15572634

Stay tuned .... :)

[Sirius White]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32362-The-Return-of-the-Sacred-Feminine&p=330662&highlight=feminine#post330662

Here are a few highlights.

[QUOTE]As the sacred feminine returns into the collective consciousness of people, so will the two hemispheres begin to synchronize in many people. It is at the state of hemispheric synchronization that we will see the truth emerge in a balance that is not to the extreme of either superstition or the dogma of mainstream "science." It is also where our brains will be able to utilize more of our brain capacity with less effort, and thus the psychic abilities will become open much easier.

When we lost our connection to the sacred feminine we lost our connection to the natural intuition within ourselves. We lived a materialistic, "rational," and often times BRUTAL way of life..... our idea of "Darwinism," which is now being turned on its head, and stressing the importance of the "mental" state. Now we are realizing the heart is intelligent and is the center of our electromagnetic (and biophotonic) toroidal Meissner/AntiMeissner field which surrounds the body- what many call the "Aura."

Electric and Magnetic Phenomenon is a representation of the balance of the two energies, masculine and feminine into the third field/energy- which can be likened to the Christ (unity) consciousness. Or "God state."

We have gone through our period of initiation into the light of rationalism, now it is time to begin our trek back to the esoteric. Not one over the other. But the balance of the two. Don't be surprised if this manifests in us as the harmonizing and merger between the esoteric and Science.

Hi everybody, thank you very much for this :) Just to clarify though I am a man. Hehe take care.