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Little Ishta
16th November 2011, 03:43
Okay, I tried searching and did not find anything but am posting this as I had stumbled upon it and found it quite interesting. As I watched the video it had really opened my mind about this concept. The more I thought about it the more it made sense. There is truth to it. The signs are everywhere but I think I never clued in until it was brought forth to me. Take a look at the video and tell me your opinion on this. And do you agree or disagree with it?
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Flash
16th November 2011, 03:51
i truly like this guy. This idea of his rings quite true to me too.
DeDukshyn
16th November 2011, 03:59
This is 100% true - the sun moves through space at an almost unimaginable speed and thus while the earth DOES orbit the sun, the global effect is that the earth is indeed spiraling through space -- but the two events that create this effect are the earth revolving around the sun, and the sun moving through space - both are needed for this effect. Oddly though, I was taught as this man stated, but as soon as I learned the sun moves through space my model automatically turned into a spiral in my mind. So this isn't news to me. But something I think everyone should realize - we are not stationary repeating the same cycle over but rather every cycle is a new one - this has symbolic and psychological implications on the collective consciousness thus valuable information for those who don't know, in my opinion. My 2 cents ;)
AndyWept
16th November 2011, 18:18
I agree totally. It raised many other questions in my head relating to weather, gravity, time and space. It was quiet inspiring. I think we already know this to be true, but seeing it in 3D really brings it home :)
Peace
MiguelQ
16th November 2011, 18:33
I thought this was obvious to us all???
I mean, you thought you were static on the space floating?? Dont you know the galaxy is spinning?
thats why there is the "galactic plane aligment".. because we are revolving around the core of the galaxy, and moving.. of course, we cant trace the same path, every year!!!
... you guys should use more you brain, and not just look at things "and thats it", but understand how things work...
The only contraditory argument i could give, is why comets, like haley, dont lose their path, if we move away from them... Then their past must always, be different. And is it?
Mark
16th November 2011, 18:35
I love this concept. I give Nassim full credit for changing my visualization process of how the earth moves through space along with Sol and the other planets. Great stuff!
John Parslow
16th November 2011, 19:16
Hello Little Ishta
I loved this explanation - it really makes much more sense to me than the 2D one we have been led to believe. I like the way this guy thinks outside of the box ...
Love to you. JP :cool:
Little Ishta
16th November 2011, 19:23
Hello Little Ishta
I loved this explanation - it really makes much more sense to me than the 2D one we have been led to believe. I like the way this guy thinks outside of the box ...
Love to you. JP :cool:
That's exactly it, thinking outside of the box. I like thinking outside of the box. Its fun! Its creative! And mind boggling! :roll:
Dawn
16th November 2011, 19:54
Little Ishta: I am so glad you posted this... and I also love the title of the thread that you chose. This was brought up on Avalon about 6 months ago but not many picked it up and became interested. Perhaps consciousness is ready to look at this now. Here is a wonderful graphic which shows this a little differently. I think this is more accurate. In this model we never actually get to see the 'leading edge' of the sun:
http://www.feandft.com/vortex_solar_system_for_web.gif
This comes from a site I find very interesting: http://www.feandft.com/Dr.%20Bhat.htm
It is possible, and even likely, that the sun is a toroid with a black hole pulling in energy at it's leading edge, and spewing it out from its trailing side. We only see the trailing side. Kind of like this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FkGV5soUkDY/TIusAsCrJZI/AAAAAAAAA_g/YeYFCGATVPc/s1600/HypToroid.jpg
I'd like to add an interesting idea. The reason we can see the 3 dimensional world is that we are actually outside it and viewing it from 4D. We could not see 4D until fairly recently because our consciousness was inside it. As we move into 5D consciousness we can then look at the 4D world and see it from the outside, yet we cannot see 5D because we are in it. I am not speaking here about some wu-wu new age stuff... I am speaking about sacred geometry.
I don't think I did a good with trying to describe what I see with words here... Does anyone else see what I'm trying to describe? Can someone do a better job with language? Help.
Little Ishta
16th November 2011, 20:44
Little Ishta: I am so glad you posted this... and I also love the title of the thread that you chose. This was brought up on Avalon about 6 months ago but not many picked it up and became interested. Perhaps consciousness is ready to look at this now. Here is a wonderful graphic which shows this a little differently. I think this is more accurate. In this model we never actually get to see the 'leading edge' of the sun:
http://www.feandft.com/vortex_solar_system_for_web.gif
This comes from a site I find very interesting: http://www.feandft.com/Dr.%20Bhat.htm
It is possible, and even likely, that the sun is a toroid with a black hole pulling in energy at it's leading edge, and spewing it out from its trailing side. We only see the trailing side. Kind of like this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FkGV5soUkDY/TIusAsCrJZI/AAAAAAAAA_g/YeYFCGATVPc/s1600/HypToroid.jpg
I'd like to add an interesting idea. The reason we can see the 3 dimensional world is that we are actually outside it and viewing it from 4D. We could not see 4D until fairly recently because our consciousness was inside it. As we move into 5D consciousness we can then look at the 4D world and see it from the outside, yet we cannot see 5D because we are in it. I am not speaking here about some wu-wu new age stuff... I am speaking about sacred geometry.
I don't think I did a good with trying to describe what I see with words here... Does anyone else see what I'm trying to describe? Can someone do a better job with language? Help.
It could be Dawn, that we are in the 4th dimensional reality. Our consciousness is expanding, we are 'waking' up. We are starting to see a bigger picture. A thought just came to mind... could be that our planet Earth is a spaceship... makes you wonder.... ;)
Cjay
17th November 2011, 01:24
My primary (elementary) school science teacher explained this to my class forty years ago. I assumed this was common knowledge. Nassim Haramein has a great mind but he is not the first to describe this.
Here is a great "spin" on this topic from the 1983 movie, Monty Python - The Meaning Of Life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY
DeDukshyn
17th November 2011, 01:33
I thought this was obvious to us all???
I mean, you thought you were static on the space floating?? Dont you know the galaxy is spinning?
thats why there is the "galactic plane aligment".. because we are revolving around the core of the galaxy, and moving.. of course, we cant trace the same path, every year!!!
... you guys should use more you brain, and not just look at things "and thats it", but understand how things work...
The only contraditory argument i could give, is why comets, like haley, dont lose their path, if we move away from them... Then their past must always, be different. And is it?
Isn't it obvious? They orbit the sun as well (and do the spiral thingy) ... and perhaps this may even help explain their elliptical orbits ;) Don't be so critical - it can happen to you too ;)
John Parslow
17th November 2011, 12:38
Hello Cjay
My primary (elementary) school science teacher explained this to my class forty years ago. I assumed this was common knowledge. Nassim Haramein has a great mind but he is not the first to describe this.
Here is a great "spin" on this topic from the 1983 movie, Monty Python - The Meaning Of Life.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY
Thanks my friend - I really had a good laugh at this. Ha ha
best regards to you. JP :cool:
MiguelQ
17th November 2011, 21:07
I thought this was obvious to us all???
I mean, you thought you were static on the space floating?? Dont you know the galaxy is spinning?
thats why there is the "galactic plane aligment".. because we are revolving around the core of the galaxy, and moving.. of course, we cant trace the same path, every year!!!
... you guys should use more you brain, and not just look at things "and thats it", but understand how things work...
The only contraditory argument i could give, is why comets, like haley, dont lose their path, if we move away from them... Then their past must always, be different. And is it?
Isn't it obvious? They orbit the sun as well (and do the spiral thingy) ... and perhaps this may even help explain their elliptical orbits ;) Don't be so critical - it can happen to you too ;)
Ok sorry for any.. harm.
Ilie Pandia
18th November 2011, 01:13
Thanks for adding the question mark in the title :biggrin:
That diagram is pretty obvious and still not complete :). The model shows how the motion looks like out side of the solar system. But if you factor it the motion of the galaxy, that "spiral thingy" will get yet another twist... and if you go upper still and factor in the movement of the galaxy cluster... you get another dimension to that model... and up we go still and factor in the movement of the universe (relative to what!?)... and so you see that how the Sun appears to move (along with the planets that yes, orbit the Sun) looks quite differently if you change your point of view...
However! what I got from Nassim in that particular model of his, is that a wave may actually be a vortex (that is it may have depth) . That's pretty interesting and the theory holds some water, as Viktor Schauberger had similar ideas. So the Sun may leave behind a gravitational vortex and not a "2d wave" as is generally depicted. Nassim had a nice experiment spinning a string, to show how the wave is in fact a vortex.
Please note that I am merely making some associations here between the work of many people and I do not claim to have a strong grasp of the concepts :biggrin:
Lefty Dave
18th November 2011, 02:03
Thinking this through...4 billion years....spiralling through the universe....how is it that the same stars are visible to our naked eyes...each night? Wouldn't our perspective change as we move through space? There's a part of this I'm not grasping....brighter minds....may shed some light on this...(pun intended...LOL) Thanks for this enlightenment...
DeDukshyn
18th November 2011, 02:43
Thinking this through...4 billion years....spiralling through the universe....how is it that the same stars are visible to our naked eyes...each night? Wouldn't our perspective change as we move through space? There's a part of this I'm not grasping....brighter minds....may shed some light on this...(pun intended...LOL) Thanks for this enlightenment...
Well first we've only been around here with knowable history for a few thousand years - not billions. And .. guess what? All the ancient alignments of pyramids, stonehenge, etc are now off from their original STAR alignments, so things indeed have changed. It is the scale of Time and the scale of the almost unfathonable size of the galaxy that makes everything appear to us as "in slow motion" Wait a billion years, they sky will completely change ;)
EDIT: and just to add that everything is rather moving together so there is a relativity component to the lack of effect you point out as well.
Lefty Dave
18th November 2011, 02:55
Thanks, DeDukshyn...
I get that....everything is in motion...moving...spiralling...obviously in the same direction..whatever that is!!
DeDukshyn
18th November 2011, 03:03
Thanks, DeDukshyn...
I get that....everything is in motion...moving...spiralling...obviously in the same direction..whatever that is!!
hehe, well ya the whole concept is a bit nebulous, but if you ever see a computer galaxy simulation with real interact gravity effects between stars, you can get a pretty good visual of what is happening - but then have to realize that it takes a galaxy a billion years to do one revolution.
Little Ishta
18th November 2011, 03:04
Thinking this through...4 billion years....spiralling through the universe....how is it that the same stars are visible to our naked eyes...each night? Wouldn't our perspective change as we move through space? There's a part of this I'm not grasping....brighter minds....may shed some light on this...(pun intended...LOL) Thanks for this enlightenment...
Mmmm... you just had to mention that eh? That is a great question! Now you have me thinking..... they could be moving with us or its something to do with the speed of light. I am really going to think of that and come back with my theory unless someone else will comes up with the answer. LOL
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