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Calz
29th November 2011, 02:42
I cringe at starting yet *another* thread regarding vaccinations but this one is specific (for now) to Australia. Just a heads up since we have many forum members living there.

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Immunise or lose benefits, parents told

Updated November 25, 2011 16:02:18

Parents who do not have their children fully immunised will be stripped of family tax benefits under a scheme announced by the Federal Government.

The Government says 11 per cent of five-year-olds are not immunised and has announced a shake-up of the system which will take effect from July 1 next year.

Under the changes, families who refuse vaccinations face losing up to $2,100 per child in benefits.

Families will need to have their children fully immunised to receive the Family Tax Benefit (FTB) Part A end-of-year supplement.

A new immunisation check will be introduced for one-year-olds to supplement the existing immunisation checks at two and five years of age.

The FTB supplement, worth $726 per child each year, will now only be paid once a child is fully immunised at these checks.

Families are already required to have their child fully immunised to receive Child Care Benefit and the Child Care Rebate.

Children will also be required for the first time to be vaccinated against meningococcal C, pneumococcal and chicken pox.

Children will also be immunised against measles, mumps and rubella earlier, at 18 months instead of the current four years of age.

Health Minister Nicola Roxon is also announcing today a new campaign to advise parents and healthcare providers on what they can do to protect babies from whooping cough.

All parents of newborns will receive letters providing information on immunising against whooping cough and how to identify the disease and prevent it spreading.

"We know that immunisation is fundamental to a child's lifelong health and that's why we want to make sure children are immunised at the right time," Ms Roxon said.

The Government says the changes will deliver savings of $209.1 million over four years.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-25/immunise-or-lose-benefits-parents-told/3694236

modwiz
29th November 2011, 02:57
So, only those who can afford it can keep their children safe. People need to ween themselves off of governmental largesse. I could have gotten food stamps many times in my life and never did. Didn't starve either. Got a little thin and it was good for my health. It is time to get real, either you can afford children or you cannot. If you need the government to control your life or you don't get a handout it is time to rethink the equation. This kind of thing is not out of our control, unless our own behaviors are out of our control.

Time to stop being victims. Especially when we are setting ourselves up for it. Like Billy Crystal on SNL with Christopher Guest discussing things like cutting themselves and then pouring hot sauce on it and how much it burns and saying, "Yeah, I hate when that happens".

Are governments evil and the adversary? Yes! What are we planning to do about it. Whine and say, I hate when that happens?

It is strategy and forward thinking time. Emotionalism is the sticking point for many. The thing in the jar that we wont release to get our hand out.

Child Care Benefit is nobodys friend when they can control your behavior.

Calz
29th November 2011, 03:14
So, only those who can afford it can keep their children safe. People need to ween themselves off of governmental largesse. I could have gotten food stamps many times in my life and never did. Didn't starve either. Got a little thin and it was good for my health. It is time to get real, either you can afford children or you cannot. If you need the government to control your life or you don't get a handout it is time to rethink the equation. This kind of thing is not out of our control, unless our own behaviors are out of our control.

Time to stop being victims. Especially when we are setting ourselves up for it. Like Billy Crystal on SNL with Christopher Guest discussing things like cutting themselves and then pouring hot sauce on it and how much it burns and saying, "Yeah, I hate when that happens".

Are governments evil and the adversary? Yes! What are we planning to do about it. Whine and say, I hate when that happens?

It is strategy and forward thinking time. Emotionalism is the sticking point for many. The thing in the jar that we wont release to get our hand out.

Child Care Benefit is nobodys friend when they can control your behavior.


Excellent points all.

We have gotten into this mess by allowing those who hoard power and wealth centralize their power structure. The more centralized it becomes with the rest of the world directly or indirectly dancing to the same tune the easier it becomes for them. Snowball effect.

We really need to go back to small communities at a grassroots level.

In America states and cities have fallen under the same money as debt debacle that strangles much of the planet now. Even those that don't want to comply with certain aspects of the federal government lose their power to do so when they become completely reliant on federal funding (which is, as most are now aware, little more than an illusion ... digits entered into a computer).

We need to get off the grid in every way possible. As modwiz suggests ... *don't* accept something from the government even if seemingly offered freely with no strings. It becomes a dependancy.

If we can get enough people with that mindset and start grouping into small communities based on self sufficiency then things will dramatically turn around.

IMHO

enfoldedblue
29th November 2011, 03:19
I'll have to check into the accuracy of this. Thje quoted article states that "Families are already required to have their child fully immunised to receive Child Care Benefit and the Child Care Rebate."
However, my son is 3 and not vaccinated, and we still recieve child care benefit and child care rebate, because we have filled out something called a 'Conscientious Objection form' with our doctor. This form exists to ensure that the decision not to vaccinate is an educated one and not simply based on neglect, or indifference. Once you have filled in this form you are entitled to all benefits.

If this form is being made obsolete then our family will be greatly impacted by this new regulation.

Thanks for posting

modwiz
29th November 2011, 03:21
So, only those who can afford it can keep their children safe. People need to ween themselves off of governmental largesse. I could have gotten food stamps many times in my life and never did. Didn't starve either. Got a little thin and it was good for my health. It is time to get real, either you can afford children or you cannot. If you need the government to control your life or you don't get a handout it is time to rethink the equation. This kind of thing is not out of our control, unless our own behaviors are out of our control.

Time to stop being victims. Especially when we are setting ourselves up for it. Like Billy Crystal on SNL with Christopher Guest discussing things like cutting themselves and then pouring hot sauce on it and how much it burns and saying, "Yeah, I hate when that happens".

Are governments evil and the adversary? Yes! What are we planning to do about it. Whine and say, I hate when that happens?

It is strategy and forward thinking time. Emotionalism is the sticking point for many. The thing in the jar that we wont release to get our hand out.

Child Care Benefit is nobodys friend when they can control your behavior.


Excellent points all.

We have gotten into this mess by allowing those who hoard power and wealth centralize their power structure. The more centralized it becomes with the rest of the world directly or indirectly dancing to the same tune the easier it becomes for them. Snowball effect.

We really need to go back to small communities at a grassroots level.

In America states and cities have fallen under the same money as debt debacle that strangles much of the planet now. Even those that don't want to comply with certain aspects of the federal government lose their power to do so when they become completely reliant on federal funding (which is, as most are now aware, little more than an illusion ... digits entered into a computer).

We need to get off the grid in every way possible. As modwiz suggests ... *don't* accept something from the government even if seemingly offered freely with no strings. It becomes a dependancy.

If we can get enough people with that mindset and start grouping into small communities based on self sufficiency then things will dramatically turn around.

IMHO

I appreciate what you say, Calz, especially coming from a dad who adores his children. You are completely correct about communities and supporting each other. Big families were very common 'back in the day' and there was no welfare to make it work.

Right now it is like the Old West with somebody shooting bullets at your feet to make you dance. Or get your kids vaccinated.

I want to mention for clarity. If you believe in and support vaccinations then I support your right to get them. All I want is the right to decide what to do with my body and the bodies I produce.

enfoldedblue
29th November 2011, 03:27
This is from the Department of Health website:

Immunisation Related Payments for Parents
Information about Government benefits available to parents of children who meet immunisation requirements.


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Some Government benefits (see below) are available to parents of children who meet certain immunisation requirements, that is, they are up to date with immunisation or have an appropriate exemption (benefits can be received without a child being fully immunised).

To check your child’s immunisation status, please contact the Australian Childhood Immunisation Register (ACIR). Contact details for the ACIR can be found on the Useful links page.

To receive benefits without your child being fully immunised your healthcare provider needs to certify that:

your child has a medical reason not to have a particular vaccination; or
your child has had a disease and has a natural immunity; or
a particular vaccine is unavailable.

If so, you will need to complete the Immunisation exemption: Medical contraindication form available on the Medicare Australia website with the assistance of your healthcare provider. This information will then be recorded with the ACIR.

You can also make a formal conscientious objection if you have a personal, philosophical, religious or medical belief that your child should not be immunised. You will need to complete the Immunisation exemption: Conscientious objection form available on the Medicare Australia website with the assistance of your healthcare provider. This information will then be recorded with the ACIR.

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As you can see (by the way it is quietly listed at the end...bold added by me), they don't like top promote the fact that you can object and still get benefits..so I think it is more of a scare tactic to try and puh more people into vaccinating.

Calz
29th November 2011, 03:30
I'll have to check into the accuracy of this. Thje quoted article states that "Families are already required to have their child fully immunised to receive Child Care Benefit and the Child Care Rebate."
However, my son is 3 and not vaccinated, and we still recieve child care benefit and child care rebate, because we have filled out something called a 'Conscientious Objection form' with our doctor. This form exists to ensure that the decision not to vaccinate is an educated one and not simply based on neglect, or indifference. Once you have filled in this form you are entitled to all benefits.

If this form is being made obsolete then our family will be greatly impacted by this new regulation.

Thanks for posting

Investigate by all means.

A lot of intimidation goes on with this topic and always a good idea to remember who "pays the bills" for main stream media.

In America it varies on a state by state level ... but in many cases there are waiver forms that still get around this sort of thing. Have never heard of financial penalties through taxes being involved before though. At least not here.

music
29th November 2011, 05:23
There is much dispute on both sides of the vaccination debate, and it is personal choice. I long as I have the choice NOT to vaccinate, I am happy. Worth noting, however, that most diseases we immunise against were already in decline pre-immunisation due to improved diet and living conditions, and that trend line continued to fall UNCHANGED post immunisation.

Lord Sidious
29th November 2011, 06:07
There is much dispute on both sides of the vaccination debate, and it is personal choice. I long as I have the choice NOT to vaccinate, I am happy. Worth noting, however, that most diseases we immunise against were already in decline pre-immunisation due to improved diet and living conditions, and that trend line continued to fall UNCHANGED post immunisation.

You always have the right to not do what ''they'' say, you just have to find your remedy.
Hint, most of these ''laws'' stipulate that ''persons'' must do or not do x.
Are you a person?

ViralSpiral
29th November 2011, 06:13
You always have the right to not do what ''they'' say, you just have to find your remedy.
Hint, most of these ''laws'' stipulate that ''persons'' must do or not do x.
Are you a person?


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd226/DemonYoukai/Smilies/_rofl__by_Smidy1.gif


Debatable....


Thanks for the tip ;)

Cjay
29th November 2011, 06:17
This is from the Department of Health website:

Immunisation Related Payments for Parents
Information about Government benefits available to parents of children who meet immunisation requirements.

BEWARE - departmental websites are not "the law". They often get it wrong and they often push their own agenda/policies well in advance of actual legislative changes.

Lord Sidious
29th November 2011, 06:19
You always have the right to not do what ''they'' say, you just have to find your remedy.
Hint, most of these ''laws'' stipulate that ''persons'' must do or not do x.
Are you a person?


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd226/DemonYoukai/Smilies/_rofl__by_Smidy1.gif


Debatable....


Thanks for the tip ;)

What is the debate?

ViralSpiral
29th November 2011, 06:27
What is the debate?

What was the question?



When the students observed their master weeping over the recent loss of his son, they asked him "master, why do you weep? You teach us that all is an illusion, therefore your son was but an illusion as well."

With tears still running down his face, their master softly replied "yes, but what a beautiful illusion he was."




:)

Leon
29th November 2011, 06:30
Australia is at the forefront of NWO, and it has become an attitude of the people that the government treats them like children... follow the leader leader...

Lord Sidious
29th November 2011, 06:32
What is the debate?

What was the question?


Are you a person, I do believe was the last question I put up.

Flash
29th November 2011, 06:36
Fine with Australia, Now it is Quebec

I just received a letter from the school today stating that the government has a MANDATORY vaccination campaing in school for measle because there have been an outbreak in the province, the biggest in America since 2002 (750 cases) and they do not want it to spread, indicating all the potential consequences of contamination.

We have to provide proof that our child has been vaccinated against measle, otherwise he has to be.

First, I have no proof, I do not even know if my daughter has been (I was doing the regular vaccine program when she was small, dum of me!). Second, I do not want her to get any vaccine, her defense systesm being already overactive with psiorasis, and her brain and body needing respite from pollutants.

I will have to check the law and maybe name a religion I am not part of, who knows.

Lord Sidious
29th November 2011, 06:41
Fine with Australia, Now it is Quebec

I just received a letter from the school today stating that the government has a MANDATORY vaccination campaing in school for measle because there have been an outbreak in the province, the biggest in America since 2002 (750 cases) and they do not want it to spread, indicating all the potential consequences of contamination.

We have to provide proof that our child has been vaccinated against measle, otherwise he has to be.

First, I have no proof, I do not even know if my daughter has been (I was doing the regular vaccine program when she was small, dum of me!). Second, I do not want her to get any vaccine, her defense systesm being already overactive with psiorasis, and her brain and body needing respite from pollutants.

I will have to check the law and maybe name a religion I am not part of, who knows.

Always read their laws first, your remedy is probably in there, it usually is.

Calz
29th November 2011, 06:51
Fine with Australia, Now it is Quebec

I just received a letter from the school today stating that the government has a MANDATORY vaccination campaing in school for measle because there have been an outbreak in the province, the biggest in America since 2002 (750 cases) and they do not want it to spread, indicating all the potential consequences of contamination.

We have to provide proof that our child has been vaccinated against measle, otherwise he has to be.

First, I have no proof, I do not even know if my daughter has been (I was doing the regular vaccine program when she was small, dum of me!). Second, I do not want her to get any vaccine, her defense systesm being already overactive with psiorasis, and her brain and body needing respite from pollutants.

I will have to check the law and maybe name a religion I am not part of, who knows.

The word "mandatory" is part of the intimidation (at least where I live).

Start of this school year I received such a letter from both my kid's schools saying they were adding an additional "mandatory" 2nd shot for chicken pox. It said "IT WAS THE LAW". Yet when I talked with nurses in both schools the waiver available (in our case) for "religious grounds" still was available.

I don't want to suggest the same applies for you. Everyone has to make their own difficult decisions on these matters and each area and country will be different no doubt.

In my case I owe it to my children to resist until/unless things break down to the point of the infamous "get a shot or be shot" sort of nightmare. Hopefully it will never come to that but the PTB/W are getting desperate.

Good luck :thumb:

Calz
29th November 2011, 07:16
Related story again focusing on Oz but in reality should be noted by all.

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Medical mafia in Australia to force parents to medicate ADHD children

Tuesday, November 29, 2011 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

(NaturalNews) The typical treatment recommendation for children diagnosed with psychiatric or mental health conditions such as bipolar disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) includes a combination of behavior and drug therapies. Such treatments are legally optional, but the Australian government's National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) is actually considering mandating that parents of diagnosed children accept the prescribed drug treatments or else face the wrath of child protective services.

Australia's Sky News reports that authorities originally crafted the proposed measure as a guidance for doctors in how to treat children with such conditions, writing in a draft paper that "combined behavoural-pharmacological treatment is most effective" for normalizing child behavior. In the process, these authorities are essentially pushing a draconian form of medical tyranny that will eliminate health freedom of choice, and force parents to take the drug route with their children.

The entire field of psychiatry and its mental health screening process is questionable to begin with, as ADHD, bipolar disorder, and depression are not verifiable medical conditions like heart disease or cancer. There are no legitimate scientific tests to determine without a doubt the presence of these ambiguous "conditions" -- and yet the entire psychiatric industry is built on pushing $84 billion worth of pharmaceutical drugs every year as treatment for them (http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-...).

Psychiatric drugs cause drastic changes in the cognitive and behavioral profiles of children. Drugs are not necessarily for the better. Most of these drugs also cause severe side effects, including mind-altering hallucinations, and they are typically far more addictive than illicit drugs like marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, all of which are illegal.

But certain government officials, likely influenced by Big Pharma, are continuing to propagate the lie that psychiatric drugs are the only option for these often-fictitious mental disorders. West Australian Labor MP, author, and anti-ADHD medication campaigner Martin Whitely is quoted in News Tonight as saying that ADHD drugs are "the only possible medical interventions" and that parents who refuse to use them "may see their child put in care."

Earlier this year, a SWAT team raided the Detroit home of Maryanne Godboldo for refusing to medicate her daughter with dangerous psychiatric drugs. These thugs actually kidnapped the young girl, who was eventually released after it was determined that Maryanne had every right to choose her own daughter's medical care http://www.naturalnews.com/032089_antipsychotic_drugs_health_freedom.html


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034267_medical_mafia_Australia.html#ixzz1f4mXEVJX

Cjay
29th November 2011, 08:16
Medical mafia in Australia to force parents to medicate ADHD children

Didn't these idiots ever consider dietary modification as a far more practical, less invasive, less dictatorial and FREE solution?

I guess big pharma is really pushing this as they stand to gain the most.

modwiz
29th November 2011, 08:22
Related story again focusing on Oz but in reality should be noted by all.

____________________________


Medical mafia in Australia to force parents to medicate ADHD children

Tuesday, November 29, 2011 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

(NaturalNews) The typical treatment recommendation for children diagnosed with psychiatric or mental health conditions such as bipolar disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) includes a combination of behavior and drug therapies. Such treatments are legally optional, but the Australian government's National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) is actually considering mandating that parents of diagnosed children accept the prescribed drug treatments or else face the wrath of child protective services.

Australia's Sky News reports that authorities originally crafted the proposed measure as a guidance for doctors in how to treat children with such conditions, writing in a draft paper that "combined behavoural-pharmacological treatment is most effective" for normalizing child behavior. In the process, these authorities are essentially pushing a draconian form of medical tyranny that will eliminate health freedom of choice, and force parents to take the drug route with their children.

The entire field of psychiatry and its mental health screening process is questionable to begin with, as ADHD, bipolar disorder, and depression are not verifiable medical conditions like heart disease or cancer. There are no legitimate scientific tests to determine without a doubt the presence of these ambiguous "conditions" -- and yet the entire psychiatric industry is built on pushing $84 billion worth of pharmaceutical drugs every year as treatment for them (http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-...).

Psychiatric drugs cause drastic changes in the cognitive and behavioral profiles of children. Drugs are not necessarily for the better. Most of these drugs also cause severe side effects, including mind-altering hallucinations, and they are typically far more addictive than illicit drugs like marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, all of which are illegal.

But certain government officials, likely influenced by Big Pharma, are continuing to propagate the lie that psychiatric drugs are the only option for these often-fictitious mental disorders. West Australian Labor MP, author, and anti-ADHD medication campaigner Martin Whitely is quoted in News Tonight as saying that ADHD drugs are "the only possible medical interventions" and that parents who refuse to use them "may see their child put in care."

Earlier this year, a SWAT team raided the Detroit home of Maryanne Godboldo for refusing to medicate her daughter with dangerous psychiatric drugs. These thugs actually kidnapped the young girl, who was eventually released after it was determined that Maryanne had every right to choose her own daughter's medical care http://www.naturalnews.com/032089_antipsychotic_drugs_health_freedom.html


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034267_medical_mafia_Australia.html#ixzz1f4mXEVJX

Let me see if I get this right. Most children get vaxs before they leave the hospital as newborns. In some cases this could lead to neurological and behavioral problems as the child grows and gets more vaxs. The damage these vaxs cause in some must now be medicated or parent will face CPS. This is buggery, not nuggetry.

Only years of spiritual practice keeps my head from exploding, or others. :eyebrows:

Calz
29th November 2011, 08:23
Medical mafia in Australia to force parents to medicate ADHD children

Didn't these idiots ever consider dietary modification as a far more practical, less invasive, less dictatorial and FREE solution?

I guess big pharma is really pushing this as they stand to gain the most.


The sad irony of it all is that, in all likelihood, most neurological damage related issues can be linked to the vaccines themselves which are accumulative.

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Related story again focusing on Oz but in reality should be noted by all.

____________________________


Medical mafia in Australia to force parents to medicate ADHD children

Tuesday, November 29, 2011 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

(NaturalNews) The typical treatment recommendation for children diagnosed with psychiatric or mental health conditions such as bipolar disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) includes a combination of behavior and drug therapies. Such treatments are legally optional, but the Australian government's National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) is actually considering mandating that parents of diagnosed children accept the prescribed drug treatments or else face the wrath of child protective services.

Australia's Sky News reports that authorities originally crafted the proposed measure as a guidance for doctors in how to treat children with such conditions, writing in a draft paper that "combined behavoural-pharmacological treatment is most effective" for normalizing child behavior. In the process, these authorities are essentially pushing a draconian form of medical tyranny that will eliminate health freedom of choice, and force parents to take the drug route with their children.

The entire field of psychiatry and its mental health screening process is questionable to begin with, as ADHD, bipolar disorder, and depression are not verifiable medical conditions like heart disease or cancer. There are no legitimate scientific tests to determine without a doubt the presence of these ambiguous "conditions" -- and yet the entire psychiatric industry is built on pushing $84 billion worth of pharmaceutical drugs every year as treatment for them (http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-...).

Psychiatric drugs cause drastic changes in the cognitive and behavioral profiles of children. Drugs are not necessarily for the better. Most of these drugs also cause severe side effects, including mind-altering hallucinations, and they are typically far more addictive than illicit drugs like marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, all of which are illegal.

But certain government officials, likely influenced by Big Pharma, are continuing to propagate the lie that psychiatric drugs are the only option for these often-fictitious mental disorders. West Australian Labor MP, author, and anti-ADHD medication campaigner Martin Whitely is quoted in News Tonight as saying that ADHD drugs are "the only possible medical interventions" and that parents who refuse to use them "may see their child put in care."

Earlier this year, a SWAT team raided the Detroit home of Maryanne Godboldo for refusing to medicate her daughter with dangerous psychiatric drugs. These thugs actually kidnapped the young girl, who was eventually released after it was determined that Maryanne had every right to choose her own daughter's medical care http://www.naturalnews.com/032089_antipsychotic_drugs_health_freedom.html


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034267_medical_mafia_Australia.html#ixzz1f4mXEVJX

Let me see if I get this right. Most children get vaxs before they leave the hospital as newborns. In some cases this could lead to neurological and behavioral problems as the child grows and gets more vaxs. The damage these vaxs cause in some must now be medicated or face CPS.

Only years of spiritual practice keeps my head from exploding, or others. :eyebrows:


Beat me to it by a nano-second :)

modwiz
29th November 2011, 08:25
Great minds think alike. So I hear.

Fred Steeves
29th November 2011, 11:50
Let me see if I get this right. Most children get vaxs before they leave the hospital as newborns. In some cases this could lead to neurological and behavioral problems as the child grows and gets more vaxs. The damage these vaxs cause in some must now be medicated or parent will face CPS. This is buggery, not nuggetry.

Only years of spiritual practice keeps my head from exploding, or others. :eyebrows:

When we were up in Maine a few weeks ago, we met a very nice woman who has a son now 20 years old, who is stuck with the mentality of a 2 year old. When I dared ask what had happened, the answer was simple and straight forth. He had just gotten his vaccinations at 2 years old. Talk about your head wanting to explode.(I recommend duct tape btw)

Here's a kid in the glory of his youth, who should be out exploring all the fun, and all the stupid things kids do. Instead he's still peeing his pants and being hand fed by mommy.

music
29th November 2011, 12:22
Medical mafia in Australia to force parents to medicate ADHD children

Didn't these idiots ever consider dietary modification as a far more practical, less invasive, less dictatorial and FREE solution?

I guess big pharma is really pushing this as they stand to gain the most.

Diet modification, turning off the TV, and most likely not immunising (funnily enough, yet another discussion completes a circle)

music
29th November 2011, 12:26
Related story again focusing on Oz but in reality should be noted by all.

____________________________


Medical mafia in Australia to force parents to medicate ADHD children

Tuesday, November 29, 2011 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer

(NaturalNews) The typical treatment recommendation for children diagnosed with psychiatric or mental health conditions such as bipolar disorder or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) includes a combination of behavior and drug therapies. Such treatments are legally optional, but the Australian government's National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) is actually considering mandating that parents of diagnosed children accept the prescribed drug treatments or else face the wrath of child protective services.

Australia's Sky News reports that authorities originally crafted the proposed measure as a guidance for doctors in how to treat children with such conditions, writing in a draft paper that "combined behavoural-pharmacological treatment is most effective" for normalizing child behavior. In the process, these authorities are essentially pushing a draconian form of medical tyranny that will eliminate health freedom of choice, and force parents to take the drug route with their children.

The entire field of psychiatry and its mental health screening process is questionable to begin with, as ADHD, bipolar disorder, and depression are not verifiable medical conditions like heart disease or cancer. There are no legitimate scientific tests to determine without a doubt the presence of these ambiguous "conditions" -- and yet the entire psychiatric industry is built on pushing $84 billion worth of pharmaceutical drugs every year as treatment for them (http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-...).

Psychiatric drugs cause drastic changes in the cognitive and behavioral profiles of children. Drugs are not necessarily for the better. Most of these drugs also cause severe side effects, including mind-altering hallucinations, and they are typically far more addictive than illicit drugs like marijuana, cocaine, and heroin, all of which are illegal.

But certain government officials, likely influenced by Big Pharma, are continuing to propagate the lie that psychiatric drugs are the only option for these often-fictitious mental disorders. West Australian Labor MP, author, and anti-ADHD medication campaigner Martin Whitely is quoted in News Tonight as saying that ADHD drugs are "the only possible medical interventions" and that parents who refuse to use them "may see their child put in care."

Earlier this year, a SWAT team raided the Detroit home of Maryanne Godboldo for refusing to medicate her daughter with dangerous psychiatric drugs. These thugs actually kidnapped the young girl, who was eventually released after it was determined that Maryanne had every right to choose her own daughter's medical care http://www.naturalnews.com/032089_antipsychotic_drugs_health_freedom.html


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034267_medical_mafia_Australia.html#ixzz1f4mXEVJX

Let me see if I get this right. Most children get vaxs before they leave the hospital as newborns. In some cases this could lead to neurological and behavioral problems as the child grows and gets more vaxs. The damage these vaxs cause in some must now be medicated or parent will face CPS.



Ah, I see someone has already been there! :)

taurad
29th November 2011, 23:22
Fine with Australia, Now it is Quebec

I just received a letter from the school today stating that the government has a MANDATORY vaccination campaing in school for measle because there have been an outbreak in the province, the biggest in America since 2002 (750 cases) and they do not want it to spread, indicating all the potential consequences of contamination.

We have to provide proof that our child has been vaccinated against measle, otherwise he has to be.

First, I have no proof, I do not even know if my daughter has been (I was doing the regular vaccine program when she was small, dum of me!). Second, I do not want her to get any vaccine, her defense systesm being already overactive with psiorasis, and her brain and body needing respite from pollutants.

I will have to check the law and maybe name a religion I am not part of, who knows.

I believe that's the case Canada-wide...

My oldest daugter had a big reaction to (what my wife and I believe) the first 2 half doses of the 1st vaccine...

i wish i was better informed at that point, or to be a bit more precise, i didn't take the threat as seriously as i should have...

that mistake, will be imprinted in my brain for LIFE, to the day i die...

she developed sensitivities and allergies and later on asthma...

the vaccines were stopped immediately after the 2 half, never to be resumed again, only over mine and/or my wife's dead bodies...

and of course no vaccines for our second child...

this made our family doctor unfriendly, but hey, who cares...

I have become my daughter's doctor by now...

2 years ago, when she went to first grade, they asked for the immunization form, and reminded us we couldn't enroll her without it, unless we had filled out the exemption form...

we did that right away, being grateful to sources that had informed me about this years before becoming a parent...

i went to the principal office and asked the secretary there of the importance of this document...

she said, the school is responsible during the outbreaks, and my child would be a potential culprit (even thou, it's her immunized little schoolmates that are absent half a school year because of constant viruses, colds and flu)...

i said: this is the other way around, my "non-immunized" child would be @ risk, while everybody else should be fine since they would be already immunized, hence protected...

she was completely lost, couldn't even find words to finish the discussion...

she said they reserved the right to expel my child, that day or week, 'till she was better...

i said, i wouldn't even bring my child at schools in case of a breakout...

we haven't had a problem under this agreement

cheers

taurad
29th November 2011, 23:59
what i don't still grasp is it the existence of the "exempt clause"...what are the origins of this little "escape"?!

and why is WHO allowing it to exist??? could it be 'cause they need to use it themselves?

i've read there's a substantial amount of doctors, nurses, practitioners that do not immunize their families and themselves...

cheers

Lord Sidious
30th November 2011, 00:02
Why would you need an exemption from ''their'' laws?
Are you over them?
Or are they over you?

DeDukshyn
30th November 2011, 01:03
So far in Canada (keeps fingers crossed), any service denied due to lack of immunizations is considered discrimination -- yet it still happens, because people don't know their rights. My sister's doctor said even though she didn't immunize her children, he would take the risk upon himself to continue his services. Her kid's school threatend the same thing. She contacted a lawyer and was told any refusal of service due to lack of immunizations is discrimination, illegal and subject to prosecution. BUT, NO ONE here knows this and employers, doctors, dentists, and schools bully parents (and children, while their parents aren't around) into getting the immunizations citing refusal of service for non-compliance. If you live in Canada and have experienced this - talk to a lawyer - we must stop this trend NOW!

And if anyone questions your choice? Search youtube for the Bill Gates Ted talk speech on Climate Change (global warming), where he blatanly cites that new vaccines will be used in the elite's depopulation program. "Reducing population through ... new vaccines ..." His words.

I have told my 13 yr old that if anyone at his school tries to give him any vaccine withou my permission he is to immediately call me and I will be there to "fix" the issue.

DeDukshyn
30th November 2011, 01:13
Fine with Australia, Now it is Quebec

I just received a letter from the school today stating that the government has a MANDATORY vaccination campaing in school for measle because there have been an outbreak in the province, the biggest in America since 2002 (750 cases) and they do not want it to spread, indicating all the potential consequences of contamination.

We have to provide proof that our child has been vaccinated against measle, otherwise he has to be.

First, I have no proof, I do not even know if my daughter has been (I was doing the regular vaccine program when she was small, dum of me!). Second, I do not want her to get any vaccine, her defense systesm being already overactive with psiorasis, and her brain and body needing respite from pollutants.

I will have to check the law and maybe name a religion I am not part of, who knows.

I believe that's the case Canada-wide...

My oldest daugter had a big reaction to (what my wife and I believe) the first 2 half doses of the 1st vaccine...

i wish i was better informed at that point, or to be a bit more precise, i didn't take the threat as seriously as i should have...

that mistake, will be imprinted in my brain for LIFE, to the day i die...

she developed sensitivities and allergies and later on asthma...

the vaccines were stopped immediately after the 2 half, never to be resumed again, only over mine and/or my wife's dead bodies...

and of course no vaccines for our second child...

this made our family doctor unfriendly, but hey, who cares...

I have become my daughter's doctor by now...

2 years ago, when she went to first grade, they asked for the immunization form, and reminded us we couldn't enroll her without it, unless we had filled out the exempted form...

i went to the principal office and asked the secretary there of the importance of this document...

she said, the school is responsible during the outbreaks, and my child would be a potential culprit (even thou, it's her immunized little schoolmates that are absent half a school year because of constant viruses, colds and flu)...

i said: this is the other way around, my "non-immunized" child would be @ risk, while everybody else should be fine since they would be already immunized, hence protected...

she was completely lost, couldn't even find words to finish the discussion...

she said they reserved the right to expel my child, that day or week, 'till she was better...

i said, i wouldn't even bring my child at schools in case of a breakout...

we haven't had a problem under this agreement

cheers

Please see my post above - I believe there are legal options in Canada (outside Quebec perhaps)

Daughter of Time
30th November 2011, 01:31
I know several people, who, after receiving a flu shot became very ill, some for weeks, some for months, some for years. One of my friends, however, suffered a different fate. As a school teacher, the flu shot was mandatory for her. About one hour after after the immunization, she became very ill. She went home and fell asleep. The next morning, she was paralized, and has been ever since! This was nearly 10 years ago! After a couple of years in court trying to prove that the flu shot caused her paralysis, she was finally granted disability pension!!! Wow! What a compensation! The doctors who testified concluded that if a person becomes paralized after a flu shot, then there is obviously something very wrong with that person's immune system and the flu shot is not really to blame!!! And isn't the flu shot advertised for people with compromised immune systems???

I am sickened! I am sickened by the medical system, by the pharmaceutical companies, by the government, by the powers that be that govern the government, etc., etc., etc.,

Lord Sidious
30th November 2011, 01:33
I know several people, who, after receiving a flu shot became very ill, some for weeks, some for months, some for years. One of my friends, however, suffered a different fate. As a school teacher, the flu shot was mandatory for her. About one hour after after the immunization, she became very ill. She went home and fell asleep. The next morning, she was paralized, and has been ever since! This was nearly 10 years ago! After a couple of years in court trying to prove that the flu shot caused her paralysis, she was finally granted disability pension!!! Wow! What a compensation! The doctors who testified concluded that if a person becomes paralized after a flu shot, then there is obviously something very wrong with that person's immune system and the flu shot is not really to blame!!! And isn't the flu shot advertised for people with compromised immune systems???

I am sickened! I am sickened by the medical system, by the pharmaceutical companies, by the government, by the powers that be that govern the government, etc., etc., etc.,

If the government can't compel medical aid on you against your will, how can someone in a school force you too?
They can't do it by contract, the law restrains you from consenting to something that would diminish your rights.
It is all bluff.

Daughter of Time
30th November 2011, 01:46
Lord Sidious, i know what you mean. However, all I know is that she was told, that as a school teacher, she had to have the flu shot. I imagine she did not do her research and just trusted the system! So many people trust the system. It's supposed to protect the people. We know that's a farce, but too many people still trust it.

taurad
30th November 2011, 01:48
Please see my post above - I believe there are legal options in Canada (outside Quebec perhaps)

thnx for the reminder, i apology for not specifying i'd already done that, being aware of my right, even before becoming a parent...so the first thing i did was go to my lawyer, got it done, and presented it @ school...then, i confronted their moronic reasoning...but without the form, it would be tough getting your children accepted in, i'm talking public schools...

i'll correct my post

DeDukshyn
30th November 2011, 01:56
I know several people, who, after receiving a flu shot became very ill, some for weeks, some for months, some for years. One of my friends, however, suffered a different fate. As a school teacher, the flu shot was mandatory for her. About one hour after after the immunization, she became very ill. She went home and fell asleep. The next morning, she was paralized, and has been ever since! This was nearly 10 years ago! After a couple of years in court trying to prove that the flu shot caused her paralysis, she was finally granted disability pension!!! Wow! What a compensation! The doctors who testified concluded that if a person becomes paralized after a flu shot, then there is obviously something very wrong with that person's immune system and the flu shot is not really to blame!!! And isn't the flu shot advertised for people with compromised immune systems???

I am sickened! I am sickened by the medical system, by the pharmaceutical companies, by the government, by the powers that be that govern the government, etc., etc., etc.,

GRRR!!!!!

All my kids got EXTREMELY ill after the H1N1 shot (just for the record - their mother did it against my will in respect for her dads request - she doesn't even like vacs herself!). They all got so ill I was extremely worried. Now, they both seem to have a bit of ongoing health issues and I wonder (sinuses and teeth mostly). The dentist said their teet hare ruined from antibiotics. They had to take antibiotics, due to residual infections after the issue with the shots. And to top it all off, I do asome research and find out that an entire batch of shots from both Alberta and Ontario were recalled due to them being bad - and the reaction rate was like (overall) 0.5% or something (I can't recall excactly) and I could hardly believe that our tax dollars paid for this BS. Should just wrote Big Pharma a blank check and spared us the trouble. *****ers.

taurad
30th November 2011, 02:00
Why would you need an exemption from ''their'' laws?
Are you over them?
Or are they over you?

exactly, this is a HUGE oxymoron;

if it is that serious (remember the H1N1 maelstrom campaign?!), why would you let a legal back-door opened, which can legally be used from 100% of the population (if they just became aware of it)?!

then, who would be subject to the original law?!

bottom line, as a governing body, if you truly believed, non-immunized are a deadly threat to the immunized (how can that be, that's another oxymoron!), than you declare this law as "marshal", no exemptions, thats it!!!

so this is like that movie a couple of years ago, INCEPTION...

just instead of dreams within dreams, within other layers of dreams, we have OXYMORON within other layers of OXYMORON...

i'm plainly sick of it...

DeDukshyn
30th November 2011, 02:02
...but without the form, it would be tough getting your children accepted in, i'm talking public schools...


Unfortunately this may be true. But when push comes to shove the law is on our side -- thus far, I hope this doesn't change.

DouglasDanger
30th November 2011, 02:06
There is much dispute on both sides of the vaccination debate, and it is personal choice. I long as I have the choice NOT to vaccinate, I am happy. Worth noting, however, that most diseases we immunise against were already in decline pre-immunisation due to improved diet and living conditions, and that trend line continued to fall UNCHANGED post immunisation.

You always have the right to not do what ''they'' say, you just have to find your remedy.
Hint, most of these ''laws'' stipulate that ''persons'' must do or not do x.
Are you a person?

No, but I am incontrol of my person, who is owned by the corporation of Canada, who says I must do or not do X. ( would leased be a better term? Not sure if I got that entirely correct, its been a while since I thought soverinly)

Lord Sidious
30th November 2011, 02:07
Lord Sidious, i know what you mean. However, all I know is that she was told, that as a school teacher, she had to have the flu shot. I imagine she did not do her research and just trusted the system! So many people trust the system. It's supposed to protect the people. We know that's a farce, but too many people still trust it.

Yeah, I know where you were coming from.
I was just putting something up for people to consider.
Maybe.

taurad
30th November 2011, 02:10
[QUOTE=DeDukshyn]
...but without the form, it would be tough getting your children accepted in, i'm talking public schools...


Unfortunately this may be true. But when push comes to shove the law is on our side -- thus far, I hope this doesn't change.

right now is pretty easy, there's a clause that protects every parent from this cruel legislation...all one has to do, is to become aware of it, since no family doctor's gonna send you a reminder of how to get around this...

i wish it doesn't change, i'm afraid they'll move fast to "fix" this!!!

what i'm trying to figure out is why they allowed this "exemption clause" to begin with????

chances are they want to be able to "legally" use it themselves...

cheers

taurad
30th November 2011, 02:21
I know several people, who, after receiving a flu shot became very ill, some for weeks, some for months, some for years. One of my friends, however, suffered a different fate. As a school teacher, the flu shot was mandatory for her. About one hour after after the immunization, she became very ill. She went home and fell asleep. The next morning, she was paralized, and has been ever since! This was nearly 10 years ago! After a couple of years in court trying to prove that the flu shot caused her paralysis, she was finally granted disability pension!!! Wow! What a compensation! The doctors who testified concluded that if a person becomes paralized after a flu shot, then there is obviously something very wrong with that person's immune system and the flu shot is not really to blame!!! And isn't the flu shot advertised for people with compromised immune systems???

I am sickened! I am sickened by the medical system, by the pharmaceutical companies, by the government, by the powers that be that govern the government, etc., etc., etc.,

If the government can't compel medical aid on you against your will, how can someone in a school force you too?
They can't do it by contract, the law restrains you from consenting to something that would diminish your rights.
It is all bluff.

well, technically speaking, they can, under a court order...

that's when my family doctor gave me a "friendly notice", after a little confrontation about my daughter's asthma...he said, that he did have the legal obligation to pursue the case to court, under reasonable doubt, as a due diligence on his part, making sure the underage patient was getting "professional care"...the court, then, can strip "unsuitable parents" the right to make their calls...

this can get super technical...noooooooooone wants to go down this ****-hole...it can get super nasty...

other cases can benefit from this law, there's a lot of psycho, abusive parents as well...the thing is the laws are used as it suits the "tailors" that cut 'em...

pretty sad world this of ours

cheers

DeDukshyn
30th November 2011, 02:23
... chances are they want to be able to "legally" use it themselves...
cheers

Agreed - Canada stresses equality as a main feature thus must apply such clause equally - no matter who you are.

Lord Sidious
30th November 2011, 02:48
I know several people, who, after receiving a flu shot became very ill, some for weeks, some for months, some for years. One of my friends, however, suffered a different fate. As a school teacher, the flu shot was mandatory for her. About one hour after after the immunization, she became very ill. She went home and fell asleep. The next morning, she was paralized, and has been ever since! This was nearly 10 years ago! After a couple of years in court trying to prove that the flu shot caused her paralysis, she was finally granted disability pension!!! Wow! What a compensation! The doctors who testified concluded that if a person becomes paralized after a flu shot, then there is obviously something very wrong with that person's immune system and the flu shot is not really to blame!!! And isn't the flu shot advertised for people with compromised immune systems???

I am sickened! I am sickened by the medical system, by the pharmaceutical companies, by the government, by the powers that be that govern the government, etc., etc., etc.,

If the government can't compel medical aid on you against your will, how can someone in a school force you too?
They can't do it by contract, the law restrains you from consenting to something that would diminish your rights.
It is all bluff.

well, technically speaking, they can, under a court order...

that's when my family doctor gave me a "friendly notice", after a little confrontation about my daughter's asthma...he said, that he did have the legal obligation to pursue the case to court, under reasonable doubt, as a due diligence on his part, making sure the underage patient was getting "professional care"...the court, then, can strip "unsuitable parents" the right to make their calls...

this can get super technical...noooooooooone wants to go down this ****-hole...it can get super nasty...

other cases can benefit from this law, there's a lot of psycho, abusive parents as well...the thing is the laws are used as it suits the "tailors" that cut 'em...

pretty sad world this of ours

cheers



Erm, no, that is mostly bluff.
They can get a court order, but that is for extreme things like the mental health area.

taurad
30th November 2011, 13:15
Erm, no, that is mostly bluff.
They can get a court order, but that is for extreme things like the mental health area.

i'm aware of this, but the reasoning would be the "consent" prom the patient...wouldn't they make this apply to babies too???

i don't have the legislation in front of me now, but i can see them "make" it look applicable to any parties, incapable of "consent"...

i agree, BLUFFING is their tactic, i'm just not entirely sure, how much and which/where are they bluffing...

i tried to contact a good lawyer, that had expertise in these health matters, trying to get prepared for the future, but neither i didn't find one, nor i looked too long!!!

cheers all

Lord Sidious
30th November 2011, 16:47
You can't consent to something that would diminish your rights, the law restrains you from doing so.
Until it is inconvenient for them, I suppose.

music
1st December 2011, 11:48
.... Big Pharma .... *****ers

Yes, Cheney and Rumsfeld made a packet there, being big shareholders in Tamiflu.