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DreamsInDigital
12th December 2011, 23:41
When it comes to looking back in history, I've found this to be one of the more interesting topics, all over the world there is evidence of Nuclear/Atomic Warfare in Pre-History yet, it seems to be ignored on a mainstream level for the most part. When the first atomic bomb exploded in New Mexico, the desert sand turned to fused green glass. This fact has given certain archaeologists a turn. They have been digging in the ancient Euphrates Valley and have uncovered a layer of agrarian culture 8,000 years old, and a layer of herdsman culture much older, and a still older caveman culture. Recently, they reached another layer of fused green glass.

Here's an article by Brad Steiger, Author of many books including "Worlds Before Our Own." this one focuses on the evidence that supports the use of Nuclear/Atomic Warfare in Pre-History. And helps to possibly explain the Vitrification of Stone Sites in UK. Etc.

Numerous evidence of Pre-Historic Nuclear War exists: Columns of Smoke Rose as if from a Mighty Furnace (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/31/02061.html)

CeltMan
13th December 2011, 16:53
Thanks for posting this.

It should be of GREAT CONCERN to All mankind.

A warning, NOT to repeat history!!

I also read about 4 years ago, that whilst digging deep(for a new building/construction) project- in Delhi (?) /India, that they were very alarmed to find a Very High/dangerous- degree of radioactivity.

They were about 100 feet deep, the tests revealed that this dated back approx 6000 years.

The conclusion by scientists, was that there had been an atomic explosion-6000 years ago!

Also strange, how few readers here have shown interest in this post?!

Most prefer to read all the drama about L.S. it seems.

Ah well, such is life?!

RMorgan
13th December 2011, 16:58
Some people believe that all those mythical Gods from all religions around the world actually existed a long time ago...Who am I to deny it.

There really is a possibility.

In this case, all those histories about the wrath of the Gods might indeed be true...

Did they have super-natural powers? Did they have technological atomic power, of a highly advanced race?? Who knows...

This is what bothers me about history...If we don´t have a time machine, it´s impossible to go back and know things for sure.

Cheers,

Raf.

Calz
13th December 2011, 17:03
When it comes to looking back in history, I've found this to be one of the more interesting topics, all over the world there is evidence of Nuclear/Atomic Warfare in Pre-History yet, it seems to be ignored on a mainstream level for the most part. When the first atomic bomb exploded in New Mexico, the desert sand turned to fused green glass. This fact has given certain archaeologists a turn. They have been digging in the ancient Euphrates Valley and have uncovered a layer of agrarian culture 8,000 years old, and a layer of herdsman culture much older, and a still older caveman culture. Recently, they reached another layer of fused green glass.

Here's an article by Brad Steiger, Author of many books including "Worlds Before Our Own." this one focuses on the evidence that supports the use of Nuclear/Atomic Warfare in Pre-History. And helps to possibly explain the Vitrification of Stone Sites in UK. Etc.

Numerous evidence of Pre-Historic Nuclear War exists: Columns of Smoke Rose as if from a Mighty Furnace (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/31/02061.html)


Great post ... and ... :welcome: to Avalon :wave:

I remember posting a fascinating article regarding the evidence from several thousand years ago in the (currently) India area but would be pressed to find it. Will try to remember tonight.

Leon
13th December 2011, 17:27
I have been saying this and know about this for a very long time... no one listens...

comes back to what has been drummed into you and what you want to believe, but we are not the first and no doubt won't be the last to go down the same road... we never learn...

But of course we are the most advanced ever, just like those who went before us... arrogant as hell...

Calz
13th December 2011, 17:53
I have been saying this and know about this for a very long time... no one listens...

comes back to what has been drummed into you and what you want to believe, but we are not the first and no doubt won't be the last to go down the same road... we never learn...

But of course we are the most advanced ever, just like those who went before us... arrogant as hell...

There are more than a few on the forum that are aware of what has happened.

One of the more interesting *possible* twists to this is all the verifiable evidence of UFOs disabling nuke missiles. Some suggest that implies "they" will stop such an exchange from happening. Possibly ... but who knows?

Clearly no one stepped in to stop the exchange in history we are referring to.

CeltMan
13th December 2011, 18:07
This sort of reminds me of the analogy, 'Big Boys playing with dangerous, Big Toys'

Lets face it, we would not give a child an electric drill to 'play with' now would we?!

I was told several years ago, by a very well informed and wise lady, that 'mankind had tried to explode a nuclear device, on the far side of the Moon.... just to see what would happen'. As you do--er NOT?!

BUT, as it happens, this nuclear device was 'disarmed' by benevolant beings, before it could actually explode.

DreamsInDigital
13th December 2011, 18:22
Some people believe that all those mythical Gods from all religions around the world actually existed a long time ago...Who am I to deny it. There really is a possibility. In this case, all those histories about the wrath of the Gods might indeed be true...Did they have super-natural powers? Did they have technological atomic power, of a highly advanced race?? Who knows...This is what bothers me about history...If we don´t have a time machine, it´s impossible to go back and know things for sure.
Cheers,
Raf.
Yes, see this is where that whole Ancient Astronaut Theory? Comes into play, and I think this evidence of Nuclear/Atomic warfare in pre-history just further supports it. Most likely the "Gods" were Extra Terrestrials, and humans back then didn't have the word "alien" or "Extra Terrestrial". So they would have called them Gods and Goddess. If you took someone today with a cd player or mp3 player and few other gadgets. And that person went to a primitive tribe, that person would be considered a "God." That's probably what happened, the aliens wowed them with technology, and the humans worshiped them.

The Benevolents have definitely already shown us they wont let us play with those big Nuke toys ever again. Like you guys said, they've already shut them down multiple times the world over. Calz, I think maybe possibly why no one stopped what happened in the past, was maybe that it was an war between the benevolent and malevolent opposing forces. I'd certainly be willing to hedge a bet that earth humans definitely did not posses the technology themselves at that time to cause such wide spread destruction.

Leon, please if you have links or information to add from your research, feel free to add them here in the thread and share. :)

And, thanks for the welcome btw. I love the energy and atmosphere here, how positive and happy it is. And the intellectual level, I certainly feel like I fit in for once, instead of like some freak with a super high IQ or like I'm the only one that actually "Gets it". I am certainly thankful for finally being able to find a place where I can be among my own kind. :)

Beren
13th December 2011, 19:11
Thank you DreamsInDigital!

In ancient time those beings were able to go corporeal at will and to use/abuse energy at will too.Also when needed to evade the attackers upon them they could "let go" the body (dis form it ) ,later on on more secure location they could reform the body -go corporeal.
Evidences show that all kinds of things were happening in the deep past.

CeltMan
14th December 2011, 17:21
What I find Very Sobering about this concept, is how dramatically quickly evidence of us humans as a species would totally vanish!

There was a disturbing doc on TV last year about this.

It showed with aid of graphics, as a fact, the deterioration of our civilisation.
It started with a 'weekly' view, then monthly, then a year then 5 years.

Bridges etc rusting and collapsing, buildings collapsing, and becoming covered in vines etc, street disintergrating etc.

I had a 'lively debate' a few years back, with my son in law, about the existance of past civilisations. (he is a Total sceptic)

He suddenly declared,..."Ah, if that were the case, there would be evidence of PLASTICS!!"

My response, just as fast, was.." Not necessarily, you are making the asumption that in a distant past civilisation, plastics had been invented?! They probably were not."

RMorgan
14th December 2011, 17:33
What if the dinosaurs were destroyed by an atomic explosion as well? Maybe someone was just cleaning the house before coming down to colonize this planet.

DreamsInDigital
14th December 2011, 21:05
@ Celtman,
I find that skepticism and lack of understanding in a lot of people I've dealt with, even this one other board that I have been posting on regularly. I think one of the responses I got that was this destruction and damages were caused by radiation leaks, I was shocked to say the least that the guy would bring such a concept up. You just don't get that kind of wide spread destruction and damage from radiation leaks. Something we have to point out to the skeptics and those that aren't awakened yet. Is that "Absence of Evidence is Not Evidence of Absence." I've found in a lot of forums also and conversations that even with a unyielding amount of indisputable hard evidence, it isn't always enough. I think Alex C's friend Moraney had a point when he said in one of the things I read, that there are some out there that just aren't ready to hear it.

@ RMorgan,
That's an interesting thought, how ever It seems that wasn't exactly what happened? Or at least it did not happen in the way Western Orthodox Theorist present it. There was a documentary on dinosaurs and their extinction, I think either history or discovery channel, basically to make a long story short were killed off by climatic changes. The asteroid hitting the earth in that time period really wasn't what "did them in." There were paleontologist that were on and said that there weren't any remains of dinosaurs found in the strata where the comet/asteroid strike took place. But mass amounts of them found before that, and only gradually there after.

The climatic changes how ever could have been like the mass flood about 10,000 - 12,000 years ago do to our Off Worlders out there doing their Terra-Forming. Moving the planet into different orbits, that sort of thing. To prepare it for eventual habitation of their Genetic Engineering Experiment, ie: US. :)

If you guys get the chance, this link goes to, An Andromedan Perspective On Galatic History. It's interesting, and in some places compares the "earth taught" version 'vs' the "Andromedan Taught" version. And, some things like this Nuclear/Atomic War fair start making a heck of a lot more sense.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/andromedacom_galactichistory.htm

CeltMan
14th December 2011, 21:31
@ Celtman,
I find that skepticism and lack of understanding in a lot of people I've dealt with, even this one other board that I have been posting on regularly. I think one of the responses I got that was this destruction and damages were caused by radiation leaks, I was shocked to say the least that the guy would bring such a concept up. You just don't get that kind of wide spread destruction and damage from radiation leaks. Something we have to point out to the skeptics and those that aren't awakened yet. Is that "Absence of Evidence is Not Evidence of Absence." I've found in a lot of forums also and conversations that even with a unyielding amount of indisputable hard evidence, it isn't always enough. I think Alex C's friend Moraney had a point when he said in one of the things I read, that there are some out there that just aren't ready to hear it.

@ RMorgan,
That's an interesting thought, how ever It seems that wasn't exactly what happened? Or at least it did not happen in the way Western Orthodox Theorist present it. There was a documentary on dinosaurs and their extinction, I think either history or discovery channel, basically to make a long story short were killed off by climatic changes. The asteroid hitting the earth in that time period really wasn't what "did them in." There were paleontologist that were on and said that there weren't any remains of dinosaurs found in the strata where the comet/asteroid strike took place. But mass amounts of them found before that, and only gradually there after.

The climatic changes how ever could have been like the mass flood about 10,000 - 12,000 years ago do to our Off Worlders out there doing their Terra-Forming. Moving the planet into different orbits, that sort of thing. To prepare it for eventual habitation of their Genetic Engineering Experiment, ie: US. :)

If you guys get the chance, this link goes to, An Andromedan Perspective On Galatic History. It's interesting, and in some places compares the "earth taught" version 'vs' the "Andromedan Taught" version. And, some things like this Nuclear/Atomic War fair start making a heck of a lot more sense.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/andromedacom_galactichistory.htm

'DID' yes I tend to agree, if one is not prepared to even consider such possibilities, then we are wasting our time.
I know that there are a lot(vast majority) who just 'want their easy, uncomplicated life, a drink with theri mates down the pub etc'

Re my son in law, he is a very intelligent man. He did say to me last year, after an 'intense debate' "Listen mate, you may well be right, but I have enough worries being a family man, & just don't even want to consider what you say as having any credability."

My response was" I respect your opinion, BUT, lets say you knew that tomorrow, there would be a HUGE thug, awaiting to mug you on your way to work?... wouldn't you want to know, so at least you could prepare ..both physically & psychologically?"

Poor fellow, is probably dreading my staying over Xmas!! (but seriously though, we do share a great sense of humour, so some good times in store!... "soflty, softly, catchie monkie?!")

DreamsInDigital
14th December 2011, 21:47
I think for a lot of them, just the consideration of something so life changing is more than they are capable of handling. And, the intelligent ones too. It happens. Like, this Nuclear/Atomic Warfare for example. If it's really brought to the forefront. That alone would force the vast majority out there to fully reconsider belief systems they've held their entire lives. Then bring in the fact that the only possible/logical explanation for such a level of destruction and devastation to have only been caused by Off Worlder/Extraterrestrial beings. That would force people to seriously look internally and question their whole lives, and most just don't want to do that. They don't want to for a second consider what they've been believing all along has been a bunch of manufactured lies, myths and twisted perceptions of reality. It's because they're not ready for that reality, or for theirs to shatter into a million pieces. It will for those that are unaware soon enough. Whether they are ready or not.

As for foresight, that's a tricky subject I think. Sometimes, it's worth having that kind of insight, and yet I've found in others it's like I just really don't want to know. I spent several days one time predicting things, generally within half an hour of the event happening. It was so accurate and so frequent I even managed to spook myself and I come from a long genetic lineage of Psi's, Mediums, healers etc. It was earthquakes, accidents, phone calls, all sorts of things. Then it was like "Is it because I'm saying this that it's happening? Maybe I should just shut up for a while." and I stopped saying things like that, and well it's something that comes and goes.

CeltMan
15th December 2011, 00:13
For me, at least, it is so obvious, that 'Mankind is not of this Earth'

Darwin's theory of evolution, simply falls appart when it comes to explaining Humankind... ('Just pass me that mallet, while I thump that difficult jigsaw piece into place'!!).'The Missing Link'... do me afavour! There would have to be SEVERAL missing links, to begin to explain how so far advanced we are from other species. (and yet--so very ignorant!)

The hypotheses of 'Genetic manipulation by extrateserstial beings' makes complete sense IMO.

DreamsInDigital
15th December 2011, 00:21
I completely agree, I'm a full supporter of Alien Intervention, it just is the most logical explination for it all. Nothing else makes sense.

"Many of Earth's oldest scriptures imply that human development was guided by gods (Ie: Aliens/Off Worlders/Extraterrestrials) (notice the plurality of this word, it's not used in it's sigular form) who descended from the sky. Even anthropologists are aware of the unusually fast development of Homo sapiens. Some anthropologists estimate that the species Homo sapiens appears to be millions of years ahead of schedule. Whereas the evolutionary development between Advanced Australopithecus and Neanderthal took more than two million years, evidence has been found on Earth that Homo sapiens (Cro-Magnon) emerged approximately 35,000 years ago. What is even more intriguing is that while the remains of man are continually discovered, archaeologists have found remains from an even earlier Homo sapiens in the areas of western Asia and Northern Africa. These remains date back 250,000 years before Cro-Magnon man. It should be stated here that Homo sapiens has no evolutionary precursor. Nothing evolved into Homo sapiens - the species (us) simply appeared. " I found this quote interesting, yet don't remember where I found it exactly.

And, the reason we have no evolutionary precursor is because we were genetically engineered most likely on MARS. And, then brought here. I find the dates are a little off, from what I've been able to gather. Everything on this planet, has been found "fully formed". The first genetic experiments combining alien and primate dna happened about 28 million years ago.

CeltMan
15th December 2011, 00:37
I completely agree, I'm a full supporter of Alien Intervention, it just is the most logical explination for it all. Nothing else makes sense.

"Many of Earth's oldest scriptures imply that human development was guided by gods (Ie: Aliens/Off Worlders/Extraterrestrials) (notice the plurality of this word, it's not used in it's sigular form) who descended from the sky. Even anthropologists are aware of the unusually fast development of Homo sapiens. Some anthropologists estimate that the species Homo sapiens appears to be millions of years ahead of schedule. Whereas the evolutionary development between Advanced Australopithecus and Neanderthal took more than two million years, evidence has been found on Earth that Homo sapiens (Cro-Magnon) emerged approximately 35,000 years ago. What is even more intriguing is that while the remains of man are continually discovered, archaeologists have found remains from an even earlier Homo sapiens in the areas of western Asia and Northern Africa. These remains date back 250,000 years before Cro-Magnon man. It should be stated here that Homo sapiens has no evolutionary precursor. Nothing evolved into Homo sapiens - the species (us) simply appeared. " I found this quote interesting, yet don't remember where I found it exactly.

And, the reason we have no evolutionary precursor is because we were genetically engineered most likely on MARS. And, then brought here. I find the dates are a little off, from what I've been able to gather. Everything on this planet, has been found "fully formed". The first genetic experiments combining alien and primate dna happened about 28 million years ago.

DID, I have found the works of Michael Tsarion most enlightening on this subject.
I don't know if you are familiar with his work?

'Origins of Evil' was his first recording, which explains a lot.

He impresses me, with his public lectures, he rarely even looks at his notes, and can quote facts and dates etc verbatum.
He was 'recently set up to lose his cool in an interview'. Unfortunately he sucumbed, as would most of us considering the blatant provocation.

DreamsInDigital
15th December 2011, 01:41
Thanks, I'll definitely have to check him out, I suggest if you haven't yet. Check out Phillip Coppens, specially his new book "The Ancient Alien Question" he even covers on this Nuclear War/Atomic War in pre-history. I am trying to get him and Giorgio to do one of Season 4 AAT episodes on this topic. Also Brad Steiger is another very interesting Author. And I am hoping sometime soon Joseph Robert Jochmans will relaunch his site "Forgotten Ages Research" his was a fascinating site with many interesting articles filled with facts.

CeltMan
15th December 2011, 01:51
Here is the link to Michael's work, or at least 'Origins of Evil'

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He also has a web site, similar discussion topics to this.

jcocks
20th December 2011, 06:35
Re my son in law, he is a very intelligent man. He did say to me last year, after an 'intense debate' "Listen mate, you may well be right, but I have enough worries being a family man, & just don't even want to consider what you say as having any credability."



ANd therein lies the problem. Our society has been set up from the get go to keep us too busy to really contemplate the big questions in life - the ones that are messy, that would lead us to ask yet more, uncomfortable, questions about our existance... We simply don't have the time, what with work, children, family, friends, etc (and work taking the lions share of our life.). It's important for "them" to keep us too busy to contemplate those sorts of questions. And those that the busy life doesn't take care of, will often be taken care of by religious dogma ("We are God's chosen race, have only been on this planet for 5000 years, and there is no life outside earth, etc...)...

I still like to think that there will come a day soon when humanity as a whole walks down the path towards reclaiming our true heritage and history, but I don't know what it will take for us to make that leap and I don't know how long it will be before we *REALLY* start to see this happening. I'd like to think ,though , that things will happen in 2012 that will require that we start to walk that path as a race....

GlassSteagallfan
20th December 2011, 06:54
Surprised that nobody mentioned Zackariah Stichen. At the end of the Sumerian Clay Tablets, it gives a graphic description of a population dying from radiation poison. Foaming at the mouth, skin melting, vomiting, etc... ...a little too graphic for lame stream media.

If it happened before, it can happen again. The dark cabal ruling families would rather rule over rubble than to lose their powerhold.

DreamsInDigital
20th December 2011, 16:39
Re my son in law, he is a very intelligent man. He did say to me last year, after an 'intense debate' "Listen mate, you may well be right, but I have enough worries being a family man, & just don't even want to consider what you say as having any credability."



ANd therein lies the problem. Our society has been set up from the get go to keep us too busy to really contemplate the big questions in life - the ones that are messy, that would lead us to ask yet more, uncomfortable, questions about our existance... We simply don't have the time, what with work, children, family, friends, etc (and work taking the lions share of our life.). It's important for "them" to keep us too busy to contemplate those sorts of questions. And those that the busy life doesn't take care of, will often be taken care of by religious dogma ("We are God's chosen race, have only been on this planet for 5000 years, and there is no life outside earth, etc...)...

I still like to think that there will come a day soon when humanity as a whole walks down the path towards reclaiming our true heritage and history, but I don't know what it will take for us to make that leap and I don't know how long it will be before we *REALLY* start to see this happening. I'd like to think ,though , that things will happen in 2012 that will require that we start to walk that path as a race....
Please fix your quote, I didn't say that. Celtman did. And, to reply to your comment. Best, I can tell you is "Soon." ah it's the favorite word for some that have at least a partial clue of what's coming and what's going on isn't it?

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Surprised that nobody mentioned Zackariah Stichen. At the end of the Sumerian Clay Tablets, it gives a graphic description of a population dying from radiation poison. Foaming at the mouth, skin melting, vomiting, etc... ...a little too graphic for lame stream media.

If it happened before, it can happen again. The dark cabal ruling families would rather rule over rubble than to lose their powerhold.
I generally prefer not to quote Stichen, because he has a reputation for fixing interpretations to fit his views and therefore not an entirely accurate interpretation / translation of the tablets. For example, Nibiru was NOT a planet, it was/is a race of Off Worlders, Annunaki is a "general" term for Off Worlders,(but also that of a specific race), since they didn't have the word "alien" back then.

Calz
20th December 2011, 16:58
When it comes to looking back in history, I've found this to be one of the more interesting topics, all over the world there is evidence of Nuclear/Atomic Warfare in Pre-History yet, it seems to be ignored on a mainstream level for the most part. When the first atomic bomb exploded in New Mexico, the desert sand turned to fused green glass. This fact has given certain archaeologists a turn. They have been digging in the ancient Euphrates Valley and have uncovered a layer of agrarian culture 8,000 years old, and a layer of herdsman culture much older, and a still older caveman culture. Recently, they reached another layer of fused green glass.

Here's an article by Brad Steiger, Author of many books including "Worlds Before Our Own." this one focuses on the evidence that supports the use of Nuclear/Atomic Warfare in Pre-History. And helps to possibly explain the Vitrification of Stone Sites in UK. Etc.

Numerous evidence of Pre-Historic Nuclear War exists: Columns of Smoke Rose as if from a Mighty Furnace (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/12/31/02061.html)


Great post ... and ... :welcome: to Avalon :wave:

I remember posting a fascinating article regarding the evidence from several thousand years ago in the (currently) India area but would be pressed to find it. Will try to remember tonight.


Well ... better late than never. Took some time to find but here is the post I referred to a week ago now ... long but worth it if you are interested in this topic.



This one is interesting. I am sure everyone has heard about the layer of "glass" in India and speculation of a vast atomic war.

Check this out:


The topic of this issue is the Mahabharata war in relation to world history and culture. We will begin the topic with a question we received sometime back:

"In the Mahabharata, the war seemed to have affected the whole world. We don’t find so many references to such of a huge event in other cultures. Why are there no references to a great world event?"

There is reference to a great war both in the Mayan culture and in old Chinese traditions. They speak about a huge war that happened long, long ago; but they give no details. They only knew that such a war had occurred.

After any war two things happen. In certain regions, nothing develops for a long time; and in certain other regions everything expands very rapidly. The same thing has happened after the Kurukshetra war. In some places everything just stopped; there was no communication. These places became completely isolated from the rest of the world.

You can imagine the situation of those other kingdoms which were working under the fifty-four kingdoms, the Aryan empire. When a huge war like this is waged on the other side of the globe, and none of the kings ever returned, and their armies also didn’t come back, what would be the state of communication?

These kingdoms would have become completely alien to everything. No one would have known what happened. The king with his entire army went to fight in the great war, and that's it. They just disappeared, never to be heard from again. The agents from the ruling kingdoms no longer came to collect taxes, no information was being sent from the world capital. Suddenly these former colonies are isolated and free. They don't have to pay taxes anymore, nor do they have to be subservient.

Naturally the new king would try to make a lot of indigenous effort to put forth their own culture. And if there were any texts left that said his grand father was a slave of Kaikeya, he would just burn it. They wouldn't want to keep such information.

The same thing happened in the modern World War, which was actually just a war around the world. But the Mahabharata war was one massacre at one single place, and nobody went back. None of the kings or soldiers returned to tell what happened.

It is described that the cremations were done there and the rituals were also done there. Even the widows of the other kings were adopted there by the capital, Hastinapura. Seven different types of cremations were done, like mass cremations, individual cremations, etc. After the cremations, the widows were all adopted by Hastinapura there itself. There was practically no one going back to their own countries, hardly a single channel of communication.

We can imagine if we were a distant country ruling under one of these fifty-four kings, the Aryan empire, and we see no one is returning from the battle, no communication is coming from the battle; what would we do? Immediately we would destroy the old information, that showed us as slaves to these Aryan kings, and emerge as a great self-manifesting empire like Egypt. This is exactly what they did.

The destruction caused by the war was not only external. The destruction of the war was also in the minds of the people. After those heavy astras were used, in the minds of the people anything subtle, anything delicate, anything perfectional was completely burnt out. It is just like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, till today you find the children are disabled. How many years has it been? It was only two primitive bombs. They were so gross and physical, but the radioactivity of that is still being seen today.

Then we can understand, according to the descriptions within the Mahabharata, what was the destruction of the Brahmastras used in the war. What was the Agni-astras they were using? What was the power of the wind in the Vayu-astra? It was not only blowing in Kurukshetra, it was blowing all over the planet. What would have happened to the people’s minds because of the diffusion of all these energies?

Everything became lost. Naturally people would not even be able to think that they were serving, or they had been paying tax to the Aryan kings of such and such countries. The whole thing had no meaning any more.

This is known as the "dark period" after the Mahabharata war. Kathacharit-sagara has stories about this dark time. In the Tamil literature also it discusses this period. There was a dark period in between where no one knew what happened. Only the thieves, either through ship or through land, were ruling the world. In Tamil it is known as "kalapirar kalam" which means the time of the unknown kings, unknown rulers. The Tamil literature gives 3,000 years for it. And then the Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas came to power. In between it was completely dark. And these Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas were actually descendants of the original Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas who took part in the Mahabharata war.

The Chola king was the one who ran the kitchen for the Pandavas. That is there in the Tamil literature. Those people who ran the kitchen, they were not just cooks; they were all soldiers. They went to help in the war and when the division of work was given, they were given the kitchen. So they were cooking. There are hundreds of Tamil verses glorifying that king who cooked for the Pandavas during the Mahabharata war. It is there in the Tamil literature.

If this war never happened, if Kurushetra was only symbolic of the body, mind and senses; why would this Aryan king have spent twenty years of his ruling time in the North cooking for someone else. These are clear proofs. There was a dark time in between. The dark time was nothing but the reactions of the war. After the dark time, those who emerged powerful were not all the authentic rulers. Some were descendants, but most were just those who utilized this opportunity to gain power. This is why it is not mentioned in other cultures, it is not recorded. A great war is mentioned, but no details are given.

Even in the mythology of the Greeks it is there, only the time is looking different. The time frame does not look like it is the Mahabharata war, but the great Achilles fighting and other such stories of Greek mythology have a very close similarity to stories from the Kurushetra war. In Greek mythology some of these stories are internally dated much before the time of the Kurushetra war. The reason is because they wanted to have a separate identity, therefore they told it as though it happened at a much more ancient time. It may sound like mythology, but its just the histories which have been handed down from the Kurushetra war by the bards and entertainers.

The bards and entertainers were not killed. This is an important point in understanding how this history has spread. At that time, war meant that during every evening they had theater, they had dance, they had jokers, etc. They had all varieties of entertainment, and none of these entertainers were killed. That was the rule according to dharma-shastra, they were not supposed to be killed. Everyone died on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, but all of these bards, poets and entertainers lived. This is how the stories were spread.

The people who did street dances and folk dances, poetry and songs, they all went back. But because the armies and kings were not there, they did not reach as far as they had come from. These entertainers had traveled along with the armies and kings, from distant lands. When the battle was finished, they had no king or army to take them back to their homeland, which in some cases was on the other side of the world. They traveled on their own, alone, and managed to reach some distance, somewhere. They did not make it home to their own countries, but they traveled as far as they could go alone. And when they stopped, unable to go any further, there they would have searched for some patron to perform for.

They must have been highly impressed with this war. Whatever had happened, whatever they saw, the battles between the heroes on both sides; it had impressed them so much. Naturally they would dramatize this and make stories of wars, of great battles, of what they had just witnessed.

In this Great war, who would have come back? Only the entertainers; the nandis, vandis and mahatis; those people who woke up the king’s everyday. They are the one's who lived to spread these stories. When their kings died they would leave. This was the tradition. The king goes to the battle with a full entourage . If the king is killed in the second day of the battle, the king who killed him takes his army. This was the system in those days. This was not the case for those who made a pact; like Dhristadyumna was in a pact with the Pandavas. His army would not go to Duryodhana. But those individual kings who came to the help the Pandavas, if the king is killed then everything that he has, including his ornaments, dress and animals, belongs to the king who killed him. Actually his country also belongs to that king. That was how the war was fought. Everything including the ornaments he was wearing, his armor, they belong to the winner. Only his astras won't be taken, because astras won’t serve one unless you have done the proper upasana. The astras will go back to the rishi or the deva who has given them. This was the rule of war.

Once their king was killed, what would the entertainers do? They would not continue sitting there glorifying their dead king while the war was still continuing. As soon as their king died, they would leave the battle field. So for them, the outcome of the war was not even known. But when they left they had nothing, no escort, no entourage; they were alone. So they would travel as far as they could and as quickly as they could, until they reached whatever place they could find. They would be looking for a new patron. And if they found one, the first thing they will say is, "Have you heard? There was a war!" Once they have found a patron they will start performing. But the war was still running, and they would not want to be involved in politics, so to protect themselves they will begin, "Long, long ago..." And that would begin the dramatization of the Great War. This is how the information spread. You can find in every ethnic culture in the world, without fail, there is discussion of a Great War. How does that come about? It may not go by the name Mahabharata, but the great war is there, everywhere.

There is an entire culture whose literature is based around crying, the Sumerian culture. All of their ancient writings are the cries of women who have lost their husbands in the war. Those who can read ancient Tamil will see that their script is almost identical, it is similar to the Dravida alphabets; and even the meanings of the sentences can be understood, it is so similar.

Their texts are saying the same thing as the Mahabharata. A city was built, there was gambling, another city was burnt, a lady was insulted, and because of that there was fire. The order may not be the same, but the elements are identical. After the war, there was crying by the widows. And this crying is the substance of the Sumerian writings. Each song is a cry. It is the same thing as found in the Mahabharata. There is a chapter in the Mahabharata, "the crying of the queens in the war after the kings died". It is identical. Everyone is talking about this same great war.

Even in regards to geography, the ancient cultures are speaking the same thing. There is always mention of a river that is running on four sides of a mountain. They may make the map based on their own idea of how the river is coming down from the mountain, but the substance is the same. They may not understand that it is referring to the four branches of the Ganga which go to the four different levels of the universe, but they have the basic concept. In China it is there. In the Maya culture it is there. This is the same concept as found in the Bhagavatam and other Vedic texts.

There are many other parallels between the world cultures, pointing to a common source. Symbolically the Swastika is found all over the world - in Native American tribes, in Europe, in ancient India. Hitler was trying to revive the old Germanic and Norse tales of the Aryan kings, but he failed to understand the entire tradition. The Swastika represents life, but he chose to reverse it, thus signifying death. Even linguistically, the Indo-European languages, such as Sanskrit, Latin, Greek and their many derivatives, have countless similarities. This all points out that there was originally one culture, one civilization. The Great War described throughout the world is the Mahabharata war.

One may ask, "Why don't the other countries present it in the exact same way?" It is because they were countries working under the fifty-four kings. They were subservient to the Aryan empire, and this war made them free. It was their chance to rewrite the history, to make their civilization the center of time.

The rulers in Hastinapura allowed it to happen by their negligence. Parik**** Maharaja did not function as an emperor of the world for a long time, and as a result there was no unification of the countries done under him. And after him, Janamejaya spent his whole life trying to kill the snakes, until finally he became sick of everything and left the kingdom. Because of this the Aryan kings became weak.

According to Kathacharit-sagara, after the dark period it was Bhima’s grandsons who sprung to power from Ujjain and other places. It was in their line that Vikramaditya later came. In Arjuna's line there was no powerful descendant, although there were some in Kundinapura. But their line quickly became diffused. The Indonesian city, Yogyakarta, previously known as Yajna-karta, was ruled by Bhima’s grandson. It was there that he performed one thousand yajnas, and that is how the city was named. That was much after the war.

In some places the remnants of Vedic culture are more powerful. Their presence is felt more directly. But in other places the remnants are faint and more difficult to perceive. Just like the Sun worshippers of Japan. Previously it was part of a huge land mass in the pacific, but by the movement of the land and the sea it has become a tiny island. In that ancient land, they were worshippers of the Sun god. It was the same with the Lemurian land mass that was between Africa and India. The Tamil literatures describe a massive land going towards the west from the present Indian coast.

After every Yuga there is a change of land and sea. There is one chapter on this in the pratisarga parva of the Bhavishya Purana. It speaks about how the land and sea change by the influence of time. This is how the flood of Noah described in the bible occurred. It was taken as a big dissolution, as a pralaya, but it was just the change of yugas. When Noah built the Arc, He was under the mountain Tuhinachala. Today the Tuhinachala is now a desert. It is no longer a mountain.

There is another case from Bhima’s time, when he went for collection for the Rajasuya sacrifice. He went from Puri to Burma by chariot by crossing two mountains. There was no Bay of Bengal. And now that there is a bay of Bengal, we see two tiny islands, Andaman and Nicobar. They were the mountains that Bhima crossed, today they are just small islands.

It is the same situation with New Zealand. They were not islands, but the peaks of mountains. They belonged to a giant land mass that connected to what was the Kimpurusha Varsha. But today they are also islands because of the land changes that occurred when the yugas changed.

So, with all this - the Great War followed by massive changes in the earth's geography - the civilizations were heavily affected. Vyasadeva describes this war by saying, “There had not been a war as heavy as this at any time in all the lands.” He describes it this way because all of the demons and all of the devas took part in this war at one place - Kurukshetra. It was the heaviest war in the history, fought between universal powers. Thus its effects were felt in all places throughout the world.


http://www.bvashram.org/articles/105/1/Mahabharata-The-Great-War-and-World-History/Page1.html

Leon
20th December 2011, 17:24
RMorgan,

What if the dinosaurs were destroyed by an atomic explosion as well? Maybe someone was just cleaning the house before coming down to colonize this planet.


my thoughts exactly... thank you

Calz
20th December 2011, 17:31
I generally prefer not to quote Stichen, because he has a reputation for fixing interpretations to fit his views and therefore not an entirely accurate interpretation / translation of the tablets. For example, Nibiru was NOT a planet, it was/is a race of Off Worlders, Annunaki is a "general" term for Off Worlders,(but also that of a specific race), since they didn't have the word "alien" back then.

I agree and so have others.





Interesting thread. Thanks pie'n'eal. I haven't read Sitchin's books. It's a shame they appear to connect dots that are non-existent. I remember reading his funding ties were to like the Rockefellers or something. Although my memory on that is a bit hazy. I haven't checked out any debunked sites about Sitchin either. But I am certainly interested in the Anunnaki. Does anyone have a source explaining Sumer and the Anunnaki that is not reputed to be channeling the info? Or reputed to make stuff up about it? I don't trust Sitchin's info enough to read his books.


Perhaps someone can help me out as well.

I remember hearing from what I thought to be a reliable source that Zecharia was actually channeling annunaki (automatic writing) on at least some of his material.

I am still trying to backtrack and find that source.

I did find a *hint* of sorts in that direction with the Jordan Maxwell Camelot interview.

Anyone???

I first heard this from Bill Ryan saying Jordan Maxwell told him that(or something along those lines). It's a post on this forum. Although I don't remember where. Maybe in the Anunnaki thread Bill made would be my guess.

Thanks Omni.

I was fairly certain it was within camelot/avalon in some fashion or another.

Cal

Spot on Omni :thumb:




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One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.



Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnaki&highlight=zecharia

DreamsInDigital
21st December 2011, 05:21
What if the dinosaurs were destroyed by an atomic explosion as well? Maybe someone was just cleaning the house before coming down to colonize this planet.
There is enough evidence out there, that proves beyond reasonable doubt that the dinosaurs were not killed by the Comet Impact as no skeleton remains were found in the strata from that event. There was a massive amount found in strata before the Comet Strike, and then after gradual amounts. They generally associate them now with climatic changes. Now, what caused those climatic changes? That's really up for debate. I've read that the Off Worlders were actively involved in Terra Forming and repeatedly changed the orbit and other things to adjust the climate and prepare it for colonization. But, then I'm sure the scientist would have an "scientific" explanation for it also.

iceni tribe
25th January 2012, 18:46
Did Ancient Aliens Nuke the Earth?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8HRgltlYic&feature=related

Evidence exists within the Indus River Valley, where towns such as Harappa and Mohenjo Daro flourished in 3000 BC. The question is why these cities were abandoned. And one answer that has been put forward is that the ancient cities might have been irradiated by an atomic blast.

Atlas
4th October 2014, 15:07
Related e-book: "Ancient Atom Bombs":

http://ufospaning.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/jason-colavito-ancient-atom-bombs.jpg
Link to PDF (http://www.jasoncolavito.com/uploads/3/7/5/9/3759274/colavito_-_ancient_atom_bombs.pdf) (31 pages)