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viking
10th January 2012, 09:57
Just recieved this ... Michael Elligion

Michael Elligion take on it
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This is very interesting about this French psychic’s Predictions from over thirty years ago, in 1980, and how all his other various predictions have occurred, His last prediction for this year, 2012, is also very interesting, in that he strongly predicted that we would indeed have a mass Extraterrestrial Contact this year. But what is obvious is that it is of such momentous nature and so “mind blowing” to him on his more mundane “earth psychic” level, that he has trouble attempting to accurately and fully describing it (of these Higher Dimensional & Intergalactic realities & such things as “Elohim Consciousness Technologies”, etc), and for this particular prediction, I sense him misinterpreting exactly what he has viewed back in these earlier years. That the reason he said that it was “good for some and bad for others” was that he was describing it being great and wonderful for those of us of the Light, while it was bad for the cabal, as in them being totally defeated & out of the way by the time these beings [Galactic Federation of Light] actually openly Lands all over the planet, and his words or expression of him “not being able to see past 2012” and of “not seeing anyone still on Earth after 2012” was because we will NOT be here physically on Earth on the 3rd Dimension after this year, because those of us of the Light will have Ascended into the Higher 5th Dimension by the end of this year, but it is still very interesting that he was able to so clearly predict all those other various predictions leading up to this time.

Michael

This is an interesting video...this interview was recorded in 1980 ... he states that there will be a black man for president in US and that he will be the most powerful man on the planet.

Another interesting tid bit is that he says he doesn't see anything after 2012!!? He says that we will be meeting other people, an encounter...an alien encounter...2012 is the year of The Encounter!! he then goes on to talk about how we will feel with happiness...happy...I think he is trying to explain that consciousness will hit the roof ... he also says that we will be the losers...but I suppose its difficult to imagine the expansion of our consciousness from 1980 until now ...

Anyway have a peep ... anyone know who he is??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?Feature=player_embedded&v=ZAIQJmE75vg#!

viking

BestLion
10th January 2012, 10:08
Something to note..The Mayan stuff really didnt start coming out until in the West the 1990s. And was fully translated around I think 1994.
This video could be fake..made this year..just with a old 1980s camera and 1980s clothing... I don't know..and why does no one mention this man if all he predicted came to pass..hed be well known!
Look at his pants..they dont look 1980s..they are not the bell bottom types worn then..they look current style..Also the video is very clear..look at any 1980 clips even Hollywood films are not that clear.
Who is this man! I want photos and pics of him form the 1980s to prove this is in anyway authentic!

Slobbe
10th January 2012, 10:16
Google says Michael Ellegion instead of Elligion.

http://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&hl=nl&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=787&q=Michael+Elligion&gbv=2&oq=Michael+Elligion&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1927l1927l0l3129l1l1l0l0l0l0l70l70l1l1l0

And it gives a different picture of the man.

My feel: the camera quality is too good. His mimic seems unreal. The man has his jacket closed. Shiney new glasses on. He suddenly stops the "interview". I would guess it's fake.

BestLion
10th January 2012, 10:24
He claims he moved to California 20 years ago but he does not speak English? And he only looks about 35 max so he moved at 15? And at age 15-35 can't speak English? Also his glasses are not 1980 style. The jeans he is wearing IMHO are a sure giveaway as a hoax..

shamanseeker
10th January 2012, 13:10
Something to note..The Mayan stuff really didnt start coming out until in the West the 1990s. And was fully translated around I think 1994.
This video could be fake..made this year..just with a old 1980s camera and 1980s clothing... I don't know..and why does no one mention this man if all he predicted came to pass..hed be well known!
Look at his pants..they dont look 1980s..they are not the bell bottom types worn then..they look current style..Also the video is very clear..look at any 1980 clips even Hollywood films are not that clear.
Who is this man! I want photos and pics of him form the 1980s to prove this is in anyway authentic!



Bell bottoms were worn in the 1970s, not the 1980s, BestLion!

alienHunter
10th January 2012, 13:34
I'm pretty sure it's not the same guy but Dr. Louis Turi is a psychic that I followed for a short while a few years ago. He was scary good then, he seems pretty commercial now, though. Any opinions on Turi from the community?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCYQtQdehKM

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truth4me
10th January 2012, 13:40
He missed on the" cars running with oil between 2000-2005 will be gone"remark....

WhiteFeather
10th January 2012, 13:45
Not resonating with this. It could very well be faked, I'm not sure.

BestLion
10th January 2012, 13:53
This lady says we will see water levels rising, earthquakes , eruptions, says she feels she is running out of time..and this is fearful to her cause she wants to reach a high consciousnesses. She plans to be above 700 ft sea level come Dec 21st 2012!~
The world she is describing I dont want to be part of! YIKES!! What do you guys make of her?
2012: A Psychic's Prediction
Are you prepared for the possible catastrophic events of 2012?
How would you escape a 700 foot wall of water if you KNEW it was coming?

A world renowned Psychic has predicted that on December the 21st, 2012 at 11.11am, the world will be changed, forever.

This trailer briefly explains Karina's 2012 predictions, and how she is PREPARING for the event that has been foreseen for thousands of years by different cultures. From moving house to buying BIO-CHEMICAL suits, learning to survive on your own and buying livestock, herbs, medical supplies...

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About Psychic Karina:

Karina is a powerful psychic who has honed her clairvoyant and magical ability over the past 30 years. Internationally in demand and having appeared weekly on UK television for the past five years, she has finally conceded to demand and put together a website.

She has extensive knowledge of all areas of the mystical world, which she uses to great effect to help, enlighten and improve the lives of others mixed with a large dash of common sense and humour. It is rare to come across a psychic that will give such practical advice while giving such clarity and upliftment. Karina is one of those people that others naturally turn to for advice and help.

viking
10th January 2012, 13:57
Google says Michael Ellegion instead of Elligion.

http://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&hl=nl&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=787&q=Michael+Elligion&gbv=2&oq=Michael+Elligion&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1927l1927l0l3129l1l1l0l0l0l0l70l70l1l1l0

And it gives a different picture of the man.

My feel: the camera quality is too good. His mimic seems unreal. The man has his jacket closed. Shiney new glasses on. He suddenly stops the "interview". I would guess it's fake.

Sorry Slobbe Michael was the chap who sent me the info (perhaps I didnt explain) ... he's not the man in the video ...

viking

BestLion
10th January 2012, 14:09
This Psychic Karina ..I did a search on..and have not found nothing to debunk her..On the contrary read the 80+ testimonials posted about her here> Sound we consider what she has to say? if so i might as well quit my job now..spend money like there is no tomorrow and just live it up now!
What do you guys think about her? I just discovered her today...Thoughts anyone??
http://www.psychic-tv.com/testimonials/karina
Here are a few testimonials about her>

Fantastic Karina
For the very first time I feel I have found one of the best psychic on Earth. KARINA IS A FABULOUS AND ACCURATE PSYCHIC. Today, 4th September 2011, I asked Karina a question and she gave me a wonderful reading. I was astounded with how great she really is and I can believe it when she says she is booked for 18 Months and hard to reach. She is phenomenal. She told me about a clear quatz crystal and how to program it and she certainly validated that I needed to sort out my love life and indeed, she was right that this will be have to come before my career. It is true, I need to order my emotions to have a clear mind to think about my career. I am excited with the prospect that I will soon find true love and thus be able to focus on my career without worrying whether I will ever find true love. I hope to finally close the chapter on my past and move on in the light. I hope to find the solace that I need and I know Karina is truth and I trust I will. I had a hard past with many people and I am sure karma will sort that out and they wont get a chance to ruin the true love that is coming my way. Many people talk and my advise to all is to always believe what you see and hear and do not judge others from what others tell you or you read about. Many people lie in the press and gossip about others. And yes, we all make mistakes and better to not laugh but forgive. Karina sure helped me a lot. ALL IN ONE READING. Call her and speak to her, she is wiser than wise. THANK YOU KARINA. LOVE FROM BLUE HAWK
BlueHawk

fabulous reading
Karina is absolutely amazing so intuitive. I would highly recommend her!!
anj (37), wales

BEST!
I waited over a year to speak to Karina and I have to say it was worth the wait. Wow! Karina is amazing!

Karina immediately picked up on my situation without me saying anything, She was spot on with what’s happening around me. Karina even done a whole 2011 reading, looking forward to some of the predication, will keep you updated.
Katina you’re such a wonderful lovely caring person.

I really hope I don’t have to wait another whole year to speak to you again and I know why your BUSY because you’re the BEST and everyone is queuing up to have readings from you.

Thank you so much for the reading on 11th Dec 2010.

Love you

Kam

kam, birmingham


Truthful and caring
This lady tells it as she sees it, sometimes it may not be what you want to hear, but Karina never ever lies. Surely, that is worth more than anything else. xxx
Rosie (29), Cork



A gifted and amazing psychic
Karina you are the best, not only are your readings accurate but your validations are amazing too! Karina can sense everything that is going on around you and she picks up on what it is you need to be aware of to move forward. She gives amazing advice on crystals, as well as Feng Shui solutions to enhance your surrounding and circumstances. I have also had past life readings with Karina and she has told me more about my spirit guide, a North American Indian and she was able to give me his name. Karina has helped me to understand my current love dilemma and I have dates in the future when things will change. I recently heard her talk on the subject of earth energy, fantastic! Karina was amazing on this subject and I plan to search out the ley lines in my area. Karina a big, big, big ‘thank you’ you are the best.
D (40), London

Slobbe
10th January 2012, 14:10
Google says Michael Ellegion instead of Elligion.

http://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&hl=nl&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=787&q=Michael+Elligion&gbv=2&oq=Michael+Elligion&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1927l1927l0l3129l1l1l0l0l0l0l70l70l1l1l0

And it gives a different picture of the man.

My feel: the camera quality is too good. His mimic seems unreal. The man has his jacket closed. Shiney new glasses on. He suddenly stops the "interview". I would guess it's fake.

Sorry Slobbe Michael was the chap who sent me the info (perhaps I didnt explain) ... he's not the man in the video ...

viking

Ahh, ok, my bad, but my feel stays like stated earlier. :)

Unified Serenity
10th January 2012, 14:57
Look at his pants..they dont look 1980s..they are not the bell bottom types worn then..they look current style..Also the video is very clear..look at any 1980 clips even Hollywood films are not that clear.
Who is this man! I want photos and pics of him form the 1980s to prove this is in anyway authentic!

Most men were not wearing bell bottoms in the 1980's. Regular straight leg and even peg legs for girls were back in style. Guys were wearing 505 jeans and plain khaki's.

Remember these fashions?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gYWYSzCbS9w/ThU2dpb3IAI/AAAAAAAAABw/AiaaoV4zkyQ/s1600/1980s_mens_fashion_ad.jpg

I'm sure some guys wore baggy pants, but most guys I knew were not "fashion" conscious really and they just wore jeans. He's dressed like a typical "prep" back then. It doesn't mean this is not some put on to look realistic, but I don't think the clothes would be the giveaway. I wish there were some way to prove it like talking to him and having a digital type clock at a bank with date behind him, but we don't have that. So, there really is no telling when this was produced unless we can find some source footage on tv from back then and who this guy is.

BestLion
10th January 2012, 15:07
I did a google search 1979 mens pans..suppose this video was really claimed to be made 1979..Thus this man should be wearing clothing similar to the photo below.
* A photo of me taken in 1981 in July..Im 6 years old with my brother and sister..notice the bell bottoms of the day I am wearing! Thus this mans clothing-pants is not on par with the style of that time.

gooty64
10th January 2012, 15:18
On Karina, It's the 11:11 in the morning that throws me. That is superstition. What time timezone at 11:11?

And we are long overdue for an asteroid?

She's fine but, sounds like she is mainly going with her intuition and trends of her friends and clients, and what she is hearing in the collective.

More proof please!

WhiteFeather
10th January 2012, 15:23
Fear Porn, Debunked. Let's move on to something more enlightening.

Here's something.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHAlkdCViyo&feature=channel_video_title

BestLion
10th January 2012, 15:31
On Karina, It's the 11:11 in the morning that throws me. That is superstition. What time timezone at 11:11?

And we are long overdue for an asteroid?

She's fine but, sounds like she is mainly going with her intuition and trends of her friends and clients, and what she is hearing in the collective.

More proof please!
My thoughts also..and I tend to think most physics are no more then hucksters.
NASA Response to Crazy 2012 Claims
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boris
10th January 2012, 15:35
the production year of this movie is very questionable, it is looks like it was made just this morning.

gooty64
10th January 2012, 15:38
Bestlion, Thanks for posting the NASA guy on 2012 video. -very interesting!

I hope someone will give a good re-buttle to NASA. I don't think they can be trusted either.



On Karina, It's the 11:11 in the morning that throws me. That is superstition. What time timezone at 11:11?

And we are long overdue for an asteroid?

She's fine but, sounds like she is mainly going with her intuition and trends of her friends and clients, and what she is hearing in the collective.

More proof please!
My thoughts also..and I tend to think most physics are no more then hucksters.
NASA Response to Crazy 2012 Claims
YUhEigdFFyI

kersley
10th January 2012, 15:55
I can confirm that this video is indeed 80's. By the way of decor and dress sense, this is fact..
Anyone who don't agree should take a trip to Next or Primarks clothe shop asap.. also there are many good interior designers who can help with your decor..

BestLion
10th January 2012, 15:55
Bestlion, Thanks for posting the NASA guy on 2012 video. -very interesting!

I hope someone will give a good re-buttle to NASA. I don't think they can be trusted either.
Your welcome. I also think Nasa know ..MUCH more then they let on..Richard Hooligan claims they have 100s of mars pics they wont release also..
I read that book about Atlantean myths this summer by Joscelyn Goodwin Atlantis and the Cycles of Time: Prophecies, Traditions, and Occult Revelations . He tears about all the Mayan calendar apocalyptic folks apart with this book.

alienHunter
10th January 2012, 16:04
I don't have a stake in 2012 either way, but I can speak from experience most NASA scientists and engineers are dogmatic to the extreme. I don't have a lot of respect for them. Some of them are cool but most are conventional to the extreme and disgusting to me for that reason...If there minds were any more closed they would be reminiscent of steel traps closed and welded shut...

The political environment is such that one needs 'clearance' to make any public statement and for that reason you can be sure any statements from a spokesman are coming from 'above'.

gooty64
10th January 2012, 16:07
kersley, So what?

I own a vintage store, it would take me 5 minutes to stage a scene like this for the 50'-60's-70's- or 80's


I can confirm that this video is indeed 80's. By the way of decor and dress sense, this is fact..
Anyone who don't agree should take a trip to Next or Primarks clothe shop asap.. also there are many good interior designers who can help with your decor..

Unified Serenity
10th January 2012, 17:14
My point is that guys have worn "normal" boring jeans through all decades. Not every male felt the need to be "fashionable" and wore bell bottoms. Saying the guy isn't wearing bell bottoms is not proof of it not being a 1980's video. I showed a picture of guys in a fashion picture wearing non-bell bottoms. So, fashion does not prove when the video was made.

minkton
10th January 2012, 17:19
That video is fake. It seriously is. It has the ersatz 'the 80's were like this' vibe of all the retro comedies and spoofs. His carefully bad hair all poofed on top is a dead give away. He also just has a delivery that is not of that period.

kersley
10th January 2012, 17:25
kersley, So what?

I own a vintage store, it would take me 5 minutes to stage a scene like this for the 50'-60's-70's- or 80's


I can confirm that this video is indeed 80's. By the way of decor and dress sense, this is fact..
Anyone who don't agree should take a trip to Next or Primarks clothe shop asap.. also there are many good interior designers who can help with your decor..

You own a vintage store? I would have to pay your store a visit when i'm in the US.. I love those old fashion.. My comment were meant to make one laugh, not to be taken seriously..
I hope you were not offended?.
But on a serious note.. to judge him on what he wears is not what i would call proof. Can someone please find out who this guy is and date him back to 1980.. If he is the real deal ..

minkton
10th January 2012, 17:30
If that's the real deal I'll eat a vintage boot.

write4change
10th January 2012, 18:22
In 1980 I was 35. Men dressed in a variety of ways. My lover was a doctor and he dressed just like that. The man who became my husband was a lawyer and he was by far more formal but his den looked really similar.

What I most need to know is who is the interviewer and why is speaking French and why did he have to leave France for a prediction.

About Nasa and the government. I look at what people do not what they say. For example all the lost money of the Pentagon has gone into these underground faciilities. Why so many and why so extensive? Some I can understand. It is like the Fema camps--one in Alaska out in the total boonies for two million population? England putting their archives underground while they remodel.

A major geophysical event which they can do nothing about would have this exact response--do nothing to change anything for as long as possible. Whether or not you kill the golden goose who lays the golden egg no longer matter because the goose is going any way.

Since I am at the end of my lifespan any way, I don't get excited about it in any way. Personally, I have decided that we are going to have a geophysical event and I am going to try to save myself if at all possible.

Unified Serenity
10th January 2012, 18:27
I'm more apt to say it is a hoax to hype up the 2012 doomsday crowd. Who does an interview and does not give the name and date of such an interview especially one about "future" events? It's screaming, I'm a fake. It's not his clothes, language, or leaving to live in California. It's all the lack of verifiable details. We have no clue who this guy is or what date he was claiming it to be, of course someone else will say, well that proves it's real, because if it were fake he'd just give a name and false date, and how would you prove it? Vintage papers exist so even holding up a newspaper is not proof.

Not seeing anything beyond 2012 because we lost and aliens won just does not ring true for me. We'll find out soon enough, but I'm not getting myself in a dither over it.

gooty64
10th January 2012, 18:36
write4change, Howdy there from the midwest!


Personally, I have decided that we are going to have a geophysical event and I am going to try to save myself if at all possible.

If this is true, you might want to consider leaving L.A.

Want to get a cottage somewhere on higher ground, away from nuclear reactors, far from cities, in a safe place together? LOL!

Thanks Gooty

meeradas
10th January 2012, 18:40
If that's the real deal I'll eat a vintage boot.

Python?
After digestion, there'll be nuthin' to worry about any longer...

Selene
10th January 2012, 19:41
Well, clothing and props aside – and I agree that they are “too good” – this video has a dead giveaway for modern manufacture, probably originating in digital format rather than shot on film:

The ‘quick dissolve’ bright flashes here melding scene to scene were not technically possible with film as it existed in the 1980’s, and videotape was comparatively primitive for color resolution, etc. This high quality image would have to have been shot on film if done in 1980. I know; I was there. I spent my wayward youth in advertising; I used to produce this stuff.

Film runs at 24 frames per second, so you can only do a direct cut from one scene to next, or a ‘lap dissolve’ of 2 or more frames running at least one-twelfth of a second or longer, which would look slow here. A single flash frame inserted (that bright moment as the scene shifts) was by definition 1/24th second of filmtime – that would display as a bright, blank frame: you’d see it. The technique here of a quick dissolve of under 1/24th duration to eliminate boring parts or hesitations in an interview did not come into common use until the 90’s on tape only.

Live-to-air TV videotapes (and this is clearly edited, not live as broadcast) as such were rarely – almost never – preserved except as what was called a kinescope – film of a videotape. Video/TV scan quality was lousy and tapes were full of static, not to mention lousy color. This version has all the amped high-def coloring of modern digital video.

Who would have saved this interview all this time without playing it? And even more to the point – who would have bothered filming it in the first place? Film production was expensive – it was normally done in a studio. This guy would have to been a known figure in 1980 for French TV to have bothered with him at all, non?

Having said that, the biggest problem is if this guy had actually predicted Chernobyl and a “New Pearl Harbor” etc. 30 years ago – he’d now be one of the most famous people on the planet. WE wouldn’t be sitting here wondering who he was, would we?

Cheers,

Selene

RedeZra
10th January 2012, 20:20
two things have not come to pass

a false flag attack on the US and a massive UFO event


are there any foreign troops on your borders USA ?

s3nru
10th January 2012, 20:44
selene is right.

I'd be willing to overlook the video editing techniques/subtitle quality/video quality and chalk them up to someone finding old footage and editing it recently but the one thing that sticks out too much is the audio of the piece.

do a quick youtube search for videos from the 1980, whether the audio was recorded on reel to reel or digitally, it does not sound the way this video does.

Hamish
10th January 2012, 20:58
The video on youtube can be viewed 1080p. I thought this could only happen if the original video was available in 1080p. And you thought you would not have a 1080p video like this unless it was a movie with a decent budget.

Hope this made some sense?

NeverMind
10th January 2012, 20:59
Discussions about decor and clothing lead nowhere.
This, on the other hand, might help:

http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html

What appears to be the exact same man is seen in the public during a lecture by Drunvalo Melchizedec. Not in 1980, but rather more recently.

Hamish
10th January 2012, 21:02
Hi.

Any info on the screen capture?


Discussions about decor and clothing lead nowhere.
This, on the other hand, might:

http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html

NeverMind
10th January 2012, 21:04
Hi.

Any info on the screen capture?


Discussions about decor and clothing lead nowhere.
This, on the other hand, might:

http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html

I am trying to identify the date of the lecture now.
(Unfortunately, I also have pressing work to do, so I won't be able to afford much time.)

P.S. Actually, I have no idea if that is Drunvalo Melchizedec (and like I said, I am running short on time right now).
The screen capture date is seen rather clearly near the arrow, but I have no idea what lecture this was....

I may have jumped the gun.
Agh, I hate it when that happens!

:-)

BestLion
10th January 2012, 21:07
Discussions about decor and clothing lead nowhere.
This, on the other hand, might help:

http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html

What appears to be the exact same man is seen in the public during a lecture by Drunvalo Melchizedec. Not in 1980, but rather more recently.
To build a case we must consider all. At the time in 1979 most males in the USA and France wore elephant pants. He seems to be wearing a type of jeans from the past decade "2000-2010" Also his eye wear is more modern then what they wore at that time.
The video quality is better then most Hollywood movies would have used at that time. The sound is clear, crisp, and faultless..The imagine on the camera is very clear..All points that this was not made in 1979.
Nice find on that photo..That is him alright un-aged for almost 35 years! He needs to be talking about the fountain of youth more then doomsday stuff..he could be a millionaire with his secret! :p

araucaria
10th January 2012, 21:15
Debunkers need to take careto avoid just debunking themselves.

This guy is speaking French becasue he is a native French speaker. doing an interview in French It can happen :) No one said he couldn't speak English!

Whether or not he is wearing bell-bottoms is very much a moot point given that his legs are cut off at the shins ;)

His glasses are very much of the period. If anyone can find me some large lenses like that today. I'd be interested: reading music with small multifocals is a pain!

Any reference to the Maya is irrelevant, just as it was initially to Terence McKenna.

I'm not saying he isn't a fake, but let's just stay calm, yes?

RedeZra
10th January 2012, 21:20
Discussions about decor and clothing lead nowhere.
This, on the other hand, might help:

http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html

What appears to be the exact same man is seen in the public during a lecture by Drunvalo Melchizedec. Not in 1980, but rather more recently.

Nice NeverMind

it's him alright... where did you find the pic ?


btw the 2nd pic looks like the 80ies

gooty64
10th January 2012, 21:25
Nevermind, Astonishing! You have solved the case. I wish that he could be prosecuted for deception but, I am sure he would plead-comedy.

My God! ---What has the world come to?



Discussions about decor and clothing lead nowhere.
This, on the other hand, might help:

http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html

What appears to be the exact same man is seen in the public during a lecture by Drunvalo Melchizedec. Not in 1980, but rather more recently.

Nice NeverMind

it's him alright... where did you find the pic ?

BestLion
10th January 2012, 21:33
Nevermind, Astonishing! You have solved the case. I wish that he could be prosecuted for deception but, I am sure he would plead-comedy.

My God! ---What has the world come to?
This is a prime example, why we can't just buy into any Joe who claims 2012 or Aliens etc..many people out there willing to prey on the naive. We must always build a case and then take it from there.
This case is SOLVED! HOAX!

Star Tsar
10th January 2012, 21:40
I don't understand body language very well but when he talks about "the encounter" he kinda lifts himself out of the chair...
A sign of discomfort perhaps or just wind?

NeverMind
10th January 2012, 21:50
Discussions about decor and clothing lead nowhere.
This, on the other hand, might help:

http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html

What appears to be the exact same man is seen in the public during a lecture by Drunvalo Melchizedec. Not in 1980, but rather more recently.

Nice NeverMind

it's him alright... where did you find the pic ?


btw the 2nd pic looks like the 80ies


I searched with a few keywords (in French) and added site:fr.
Unfortunately, there is not a lot more.
(Or if there is, I haven't found it yet.)

¤=[Post Update]=¤

That's very generous of you, Gooty, but I have solved nothing. :-)
All I found was that screen capture. And I don't even know what programme they're showing!

Luckily, there are other "investigators" on this board, so I can return to my work.

I hope to be back to check on any new findings, though. :)

000
10th January 2012, 22:58
I had to chuckle because of his acting being rather obvious. If someone truly is skilled in any form of Psi, this is not what it 'tastes' like at all, the 'taste' would be much clearer and you would feel it. It was insta-fake for me, not to mention the vagueness of the data he was relaying. It was not at all delivered on the level of someone truly skilled in Psi.

I'd also like to include this as an example of how some good editing skills with After Effects can give a digital video a very realistic VHS 'texture':


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB8whz9rRDw

And here is an example of 1980s VHS sound quality which is grainy, saturated and warm:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNJH9h8-eWA

WhiteFeather
10th January 2012, 23:04
Fear Porn, lets move on people. I beg you.

etm567
10th January 2012, 23:27
Look at his pants..they dont look 1980s..they are not the bell bottom types worn then..they look current style..Also the video is very clear..look at any 1980 clips even Hollywood films are not that clear. Who is this man! I want photos and pics of him form the 1980s to prove this is in anyway authentic!

Maybe the Hollywood movies are wrong, but no way were bell bottoms still in fashion in the 1980s. Not in Memphis, Tennessee, and not in New York City, which is where I lived by then. I still have the clothes I wore in 1980, some of them, and there are no bell bottoms. I tossed all my bell bottoms by the mid-to-late 1970s. By 1977 at the latest. And that was in Memphis, hardly a forward-thinking town in terms of fashion back in those days.

Nah, Hollywood definitely does not always get it right. People get ideas about how it was, and then go with those ideas. But that doesn't mean they're right. You have to ask the people who were living then.

Unified Serenity
10th January 2012, 23:39
Discussions about decor and clothing lead nowhere.
This, on the other hand, might help:

http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html

What appears to be the exact same man is seen in the public during a lecture by Drunvalo Melchizedec. Not in 1980, but rather more recently.


I can't open the page at all. The image on Bestlion's post seems to indicate this guy is the same one, but i can't be sure due to size, but it looks like him. He looked like a very young 40 year old in the footage that was supposed to be from the 80's. I base that on his saying he was 10 years old in the 50's when he predicted men walking on the moon. All this, "I can't see anything past 2012" rings like a hoax to me anyway. I mean even Edgar Casey said his next incarnation after the "Edgar Casey" was in 2100 and therefore he saw past 2012, right?

gooty64
10th January 2012, 23:45
ETM, Your are like that sister you love a lot but, sometimes I want to strangle you! lol

Please look at post #14 from this thread-I beg you. You will see Bestlion's posting there from a 1979 catalog. Bell bottoms were still hanging on until 1980.

And certainly a dorky guy could still be seen wearing them into the early 80's.

I don't know how to help you people sometimes. FTLOG



Look at his pants..they dont look 1980s..they are not the bell bottom types worn then..they look current style..Also the video is very clear..look at any 1980 clips even Hollywood films are not that clear. Who is this man! I want photos and pics of him form the 1980s to prove this is in anyway authentic!

Maybe the Hollywood movies are wrong, but no way were bell bottoms still in fashion in the 1980s. Not in Memphis, Tennessee, and not in New York City, which is where I lived by then. I still have the clothes I wore in 1980, some of them, and there are no bell bottoms. I tossed all my bell bottoms by the mid-to-late 1970s. By 1977 at the latest. And that was in Memphis, hardly a forward-thinking town in terms of fashion back in those days.

Nah, Hollywood definitely does not always get it right. People get ideas about how it was, and then go with those ideas. But that doesn't mean they're right. You have to ask the people who were living then.

Unified Serenity
11th January 2012, 00:14
Hey Gooty,

Are you making a mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive linkage that all men wore bell bottoms in the 1980's?

If not, then it's a moot point. The jeans could easily have been worn in the 1980's even if some dork still wore bell bottoms.




ETM, Your are like that sister you love a lot but, sometimes you want to strangle! lol

Please look at post #14 from this thread-I beg you. You will see Bestlion's posting there from a 1979 catalog. Bell bottoms were still hanging on until 1980.

And certainly a dorky guy could still be seen wearing them into the early 80's.

I don't know how to help you people sometimes. FTLOG



Look at his pants..they dont look 1980s..they are not the bell bottom types worn then..they look current style..Also the video is very clear..look at any 1980 clips even Hollywood films are not that clear. Who is this man! I want photos and pics of him form the 1980s to prove this is in anyway authentic!

Maybe the Hollywood movies are wrong, but no way were bell bottoms still in fashion in the 1980s. Not in Memphis, Tennessee, and not in New York City, which is where I lived by then. I still have the clothes I wore in 1980, some of them, and there are no bell bottoms. I tossed all my bell bottoms by the mid-to-late 1970s. By 1977 at the latest. And that was in Memphis, hardly a forward-thinking town in terms of fashion back in those days.

Nah, Hollywood definitely does not always get it right. People get ideas about how it was, and then go with those ideas. But that doesn't mean they're right. You have to ask the people who were living then.

BestLion
11th January 2012, 00:21
If not, then it's a moot point. The jeans could easily have been worn in the 1980's even if some dork still wore bell bottoms.
I went back to look at some photos of me, my family , uncles etc in 1980-81. I was only 6 then so i would have worn hand me downs from my 4 year older then me brother. But I was always wearing bell bottoms. My dad is wearing bell bottoms, my uncle who was a womenizer wore then in 2 pics I have in 1981..Why would he..who was always tring to pick up women be wearing outdated clothings? Thus I think they were still in.. Also I just watched the Duke of Hazzard ..Bo and Luke were cool guys at the time..Notice cool guy Bo is wearing bell bottoms and this is 1981!!!

Unified Serenity
11th January 2012, 00:31
If not, then it's a moot point. The jeans could easily have been worn in the 1980's even if some dork still wore bell bottoms.
I went back to look at some photos of me, my family , uncles etc in 1980-81. I was only 6 then so i would have worn hand me downs from my 4 year older then me brother. But I was always wearing bell bottoms. My dad is wearing bell bottoms, my uncle who was a womenizer wore then in 2 pics I have in 1981..Why would he..who was always tring to pick up women be wearing outdated clothings? Thus I think they were still in.. Also I just watched the Duke of Hazzard ..Bo and Luke were cool guys at the time..Notice cool guy Bo is wearing bell bottoms and this is 1981!!!

Bestlion,

I hate to be the informer here, but those are what in America are called "Boot cut" jeans, not bell bottoms. They are designed to go over cowboy boots. Also notice the other men are NOT wearing them. Bell bottoms look like this:

http://img1.etsystatic.com/il_570xN.54891665.jpg

Notice they cover the entire foot. Again, this is pretty off topic to prove or disprove the truth of the video. I call it hoax for reasons I previously stated, but I will end the issue here for me. It seems like the horse is dead.

gooty64
11th January 2012, 00:34
I hope the benevolent ET's aren't eavesdropping on our "bell bottoms" discussion.

Must be a little slow in the conspiracy theory world today.

C'mon Wilcock hurry up and finish part III, -already. lol

gooty64
11th January 2012, 00:38
US YES,

But Luke has boots on too and his drape nicely around his boots. Whereas, Bo's are of the extra-wide flare certainly qualifying as bell bottom blues jeans!

I believe my work is finished here.....moving on............lol




If not, then it's a moot point. The jeans could easily have been worn in the 1980's even if some dork still wore bell bottoms.
I went back to look at some photos of me, my family , uncles etc in 1980-81. I was only 6 then so i would have worn hand me downs from my 4 year older then me brother. But I was always wearing bell bottoms. My dad is wearing bell bottoms, my uncle who was a womenizer wore then in 2 pics I have in 1981..Why would he..who was always tring to pick up women be wearing outdated clothings? Thus I think they were still in.. Also I just watched the Duke of Hazzard ..Bo and Luke were cool guys at the time..Notice cool guy Bo is wearing bell bottoms and this is 1981!!!

Bestlion,

I hate to be the informer here, but those are what in America are called "Boot cut" jeans, not bell bottoms. They are designed to go over cowboy boots. Also notice the other men are NOT wearing them. Bell bottoms look like this:

http://img1.etsystatic.com/il_570xN.54891665.jpg

Notice they cover the entire foot. Again, this is pretty off topic to prove or disprove the truth of the video. I call it hoax for reasons I previously stated, but I will end the issue here for me. It seems like the horse is dead.

RMorgan
11th January 2012, 00:51
Well, I´m not sure if some of you are still on the fence about this guy, but for me, for many reasons, it´s so clear that it´s a hoax.

Look at the man´s gestures. His hands are tense and in the same position during all the interview. It means he´s trying not to let his hands unmask his lies. His feet are also mostly in the same position. He´s deliberately doing this, so his body can´t "talk" for itself.

Also, look at his lips. He´s always tensing his lip muscles. This is a clear sign of poor acting. He´s not convinced of what he´s talking.

His eyes are also very centered. It seems he´s controlling them as well, in order to avoid giving clues. Usually, people move their eyes in conversations, specially when visualizing images and memories within their minds.

This guy is clearly aware of body language, and he´s deliberately trying to hide all body and gestural signs.

However, the bigger problem is that he´s actually a terrible actor. An amateur actor could do better, indeed.

The image quality also talks by itself. The image is pretty fluid to be maid with an 80´s regular camera (and professional cameras were pretty expensive back there) and the image artifacts are not emulating tape recordings in a convincing way. The video has the "feel" of a digital video, with analogic tape spice added in post production.

Cheers,

Raf.

sidh25
11th January 2012, 01:31
i don't know if it's cause I don't understand french or don't know french people well enough but something about the guy's mannerisms seemed rehearsed. His nervousness especially where he's trying to mention ET's and when he says "There I said it" seemed, staged and a bit unnatural. I feel if you were naturally nervous you wouldn't show so many blatant gestures of nervousness adjusting yourself in your seat, stalling etc. Almost like he was trying to make it obvious, like in a movie. Plus the guy's....conversation....seemed to lack that...well it felt a bit empty. Like just saying lines without really believing in them. He didn't seem passionate. That's the word. yeah.... just saw it again...not getting the vibe at all. In fact not getting any vibe. Compare that to some real contactee videos. The emotional factor, you can read the struggle in their eyes of what they've gone through and go through when recounting their experiences. Whereas this guy if you read through his tone just didn't/doesn't seem to care much.......Or I could be wrong and we going to get invaded by aliens this year and world going to end..............not.

gigawatt
11th January 2012, 03:14
Another interesting tid bit is that he says he doesn't see anything after 2012!!? He says that we will be meeting other people, an encounter...an alien encounter...2012 is the year of The Encounter!! he then goes on to talk about how we will feel with happiness...happy...I think he is trying to explain that consciousness will hit the roof ... he also says that we will be the losers...but I suppose its difficult to imagine the expansion of our consciousness from 1980 until now ...

Being a frenchman myself, this is not at all what he was saying....

Roughly translated:

Happy? How do you want me to feel Happy? There will be conflict... listen, we are going to encounter a race far more advanced and powerful then us. There will be winners and losers... and we will be the losers. If i don't see anything after 2012 it is because humanity will have vanished . (walks of scene)

Now as for the fashion debate... his jeans dont fit right for the times and the film quality is far too good... especially as they flash from scene to scene. As for the glasses, that style came back 2 years ago. Retro is (or was) in baby.

Also in the video he claims he made his prediction of a man on the moon in 1950 at which time he claims he was 10 years old... which would place him at 40 yrs in this video which would make him 72 yrs today? hmph ...

Not buying into this video ...

Mysticknowflake
11th January 2012, 03:23
I also feel that the video could be a fake!~

etm567
11th January 2012, 07:59
ETM, Your are like that sister you love a lot but, sometimes you want to strangle! lol

Please look at post #14 from this thread-I beg you. You will see Bestlion's posting there from a 1979 catalog. Bell bottoms were still hanging on until 1980.

And certainly a dorky guy could still be seen wearing them into the early 80's.


Well, then, what is your point? That the fact that this man wasn't wearing bell bottoms proves this is a fake? Nah. If a few less fashion-savvy folks were wearing bell bottoms then, that certainly doesn't mean it's a fraud now, does it?

How do I know my memory is correct?

Way back in the 1970s I was an actress. And I worked at a theater kind of full time then, but I got a job making commercials for a department store. Like a little female "spokesperson." I made a big $200. So I'd go and change clothes all day and say, look at these clothes, they cost this much.... And the jeans I put on were straight legged, and I was surprised, because I was still wearing bell bottoms. Well, gee, I hadn't bought any new jeans in years, I guess.

So I looked around, and, yes, people were wearing straight legged jeans. I mean, just your average normal everyday people.

And that was a couple of years before I ended up in New York City, which was in 1979 at the latest.

So you can't convince me that wearing straight legged pants in 1980 means this is a fake.

Now, it could certainly still be a fake. But not for that reason. f

And I can't find that post #14 in this thread by BestLion. I find one by Whitefeather. Am I doing something wrong?

ETM

etm567
11th January 2012, 08:04
I did a google search 1979 mens pans..suppose this video was really claimed to be made 1979..Thus this man should be wearing clothing similar to the photo below.
* A photo of me taken in 1981 in July..Im 6 years old with my brother and sister..notice the bell bottoms of the day I am wearing! Thus this mans clothing-pants is not on par with the style of that time.

The jpeg says "1970s." Yes, 1970s, no, not 1980, and not 1979. If you were wearing bell bottoms when you were six, which I can't tell from this photo, it's because they were hand-me-downs.

I'm telling you, I was never fashion conscious, but because of what I was doing, making commercials selling clothes for a cheap department store, kind of like a K-Mart, the jeans I wore in those commercials, which had to have been in 1977 or earlier, were straight-legged. You could probably still buy bell bottoms, but not if you were "with it," you know? You were a little bit behind the times then. I remember when I bought my first straight-legged jeans, and what a difference it made to how I looked. And I was in my late twenties then.

I seem to have missed the debunking of this fellow, though. I'd like to find it. Where did the photo come from?

ETM

etm567
11th January 2012, 08:08
the production year of this movie is very questionable, it is looks like it was made just this morning.

This is something I agree with. It definitely looks like very high quality video to have been made in 1980. Even if it was film and then turned into video, it shouldn't be this good.

etm567
11th January 2012, 08:14
To build a case we must consider all. At the time in 1979 most males in the USA and France wore elephant pants.

I agree that this is probably a fake, but not because of the pants. You were six years old in 1980, and you insist you know what kind of pants men were wearing? I was 27 years old, and I hadn't had any bell bottomed pants for two or three years then, and I was never what you would call very fashion conscious.

Men wore "elephant pants" in the late 1960s. And into the 1970s. It changed in the late 1970s.

etm567
11th January 2012, 08:21
Debunkers need to take careto avoid just debunking themselves.

This guy is speaking French becasue he is a native French speaker. doing an interview in French It can happen :) No one said he couldn't speak English!

Whether or not he is wearing bell-bottoms is very much a moot point given that his legs are cut off at the shins ;)

His glasses are very much of the period. If anyone can find me some large lenses like that today. I'd be interested: reading music with small multifocals is a pain!

Any reference to the Maya is irrelevant, just as it was initially to Terence McKenna.

I'm not saying he isn't a fake, but let's just stay calm, yes?

You make good points. You're quite right about the glasses. The plant is also one that was everywhere in the 1980s. I had them coming out of my ears, hanging in my window in my New York apartment. BUt the quality of the video seems too good to me.

I won't comment on the content. I couldn't possibly judge this just based on what he is saying.

To me the thing that seems the oddest is the quality of the video. Gee, in the 1990s video was crap. And you didn't copy it digitally then, you copied it from one video machine to another, and each generation you lost tons of quality. So this would have had to have been very high quality, if such a quality existed then, or maybe film, and then only recently digitized, however you would convert video to digital. How do you convert film to digital?

If you just look at some films or tv programmes from the 1980s on Netflix, you will see the quality is very, very different from what it is today, and from what it seems to be in that video.

My two cents.

On edit: I shouldn't say in the 1990s video was crap. But home video was real crap. But even good video, once you started losing generations, got very bad very quickly.

xerius
11th January 2012, 08:22
This video is a fake..just by sensing it.. The whole picture all in all does not appear right.. Props of the 1980s just there screaming out at you asking for validity... The actor's body language and voice does not appear genuine.. And lastly the video footage... It was so darn nice..its just like it was recorded yesterday.. And by the way.. His story is too much accurate to be true.. He even bested edgar cayce and nostradamus... And before I forget.. Nostradamus was french right? :)

etm567
11th January 2012, 08:25
Well, I´m not sure if some of you are still on the fence about this guy, but for me, for many reasons, it´s so clear that it´s a hoax.

Look at the man´s gestures. His hands are tense and in the same position during all the interview. It means he´s trying not to let his hands unmask his lies. His feet are also mostly in the same position. He´s deliberately doing this, so his body can´t "talk" for itself.

Also, look at his lips. He´s always tensing his lip muscles. This is a clear sign of poor acting. He´s not convinced of what he´s talking.

His eyes are also very centered. It seems he´s controlling them as well, in order to avoid giving clues. Usually, people move their eyes in conversations, specially when visualizing images and memories within their minds.

This guy is clearly aware of body language, and he´s deliberately trying to hide all body and gestural signs.

However, the bigger problem is that he´s actually a terrible actor. An amateur actor could do better, indeed.

The image quality also talks by itself. The image is pretty fluid to be maid with an 80´s regular camera (and professional cameras were pretty expensive back there) and the image artifacts are not emulating tape recordings in a convincing way. The video has the "feel" of a digital video, with analogic tape spice added in post production.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hmm, I'm not sure what the point of this conversation is, but on your points I disagree. And I used to be an actor, and I was a pretty good one.

He seems to me to be quite uncomfortable, as if he's being put on the spot. He could be acting, but if he is, what he is portraying is that he doesn't want to talk about us meeting aliens, and then he is kind of forced to do it, and then he is like, well, you got it out of me, didn't you! Because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for saying that. That's what I get from all that body language.

As to whether it is a performance or not, I don't know. But I don't get any of the things you listed as demonstrating he is acting badly.

Sorry.

alienHunter
11th January 2012, 12:25
finally got a look at the photo...maybe he's a time traveler...:jaw:

minkton
11th January 2012, 12:32
the production year of this movie is very questionable, it is looks like it was made just this morning.

This is something I agree with. It definitely looks like very high quality video to have been made in 1980. Even if it was film and then turned into video, it shouldn't be this good.



So very this.

RMorgan
11th January 2012, 13:56
Well, I´m not sure if some of you are still on the fence about this guy, but for me, for many reasons, it´s so clear that it´s a hoax.

Look at the man´s gestures. His hands are tense and in the same position during all the interview. It means he´s trying not to let his hands unmask his lies. His feet are also mostly in the same position. He´s deliberately doing this, so his body can´t "talk" for itself.

Also, look at his lips. He´s always tensing his lip muscles. This is a clear sign of poor acting. He´s not convinced of what he´s talking.

His eyes are also very centered. It seems he´s controlling them as well, in order to avoid giving clues. Usually, people move their eyes in conversations, specially when visualizing images and memories within their minds.

This guy is clearly aware of body language, and he´s deliberately trying to hide all body and gestural signs.

However, the bigger problem is that he´s actually a terrible actor. An amateur actor could do better, indeed.

The image quality also talks by itself. The image is pretty fluid to be maid with an 80´s regular camera (and professional cameras were pretty expensive back there) and the image artifacts are not emulating tape recordings in a convincing way. The video has the "feel" of a digital video, with analogic tape spice added in post production.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hmm, I'm not sure what the point of this conversation is, but on your points I disagree. And I used to be an actor, and I was a pretty good one.

He seems to me to be quite uncomfortable, as if he's being put on the spot. He could be acting, but if he is, what he is portraying is that he doesn't want to talk about us meeting aliens, and then he is kind of forced to do it, and then he is like, well, you got it out of me, didn't you! Because he doesn't want to be ridiculed for saying that. That's what I get from all that body language.

As to whether it is a performance or not, I don't know. But I don't get any of the things you listed as demonstrating he is acting badly.

Sorry.


Hey mate,

Well, this is not about acting only, my friend. This is about body language. If you don´t get, I surely get it.

The way this man is controlling his body is just not natural. The body talks whenever someone is saying something. If the people is saying the truth, the body gestures say the same; If a person is telling lies, the body denounces unconsciously. This is a fact.

However, I can see clearly that this man´s body is tense, because he´s controlling it in order to not allow his body to denounce his lies. This is as clear as water for me.

You know, here on PA people can´t actually see each other´s background. It´s normal. However, I´ve been studying body language for many many years, for personal and professional purposes.

In this special case, when he´s supposedly talking about such controversial matters, his body would be literally screaming in fact, however, he´s body is completely neutralized.

This is acting. When someone deliberately controls a conversion in order to take it in a different direction, to lie, or even to cover up some lies, it´s technically acting, even if it´s not professional.

Body language is a natural thing. Even someone who never actually studied it, should perceive that something is wrong with this video, like many people commented on this thread, but if you study it, you can say with 99% accuracy that this man is a liar. Ask any good police officer about that. If a man behaves like this in a police interrogatory, the officers wouldn´t even need a polygraph to say he´s lying.

Cheers,

Raf.

kersley
11th January 2012, 17:38
Ok.. We can rule the pants thing out.. it wasn't long ago late 90's to be precise that they sold these bootleg jeans all around the UK..
My partner still have a few pairs in her wardrobe..

I agree he dosen't look comfortable in front of the camera. he almost looks shy and been put on the spot?

Unless someone here is a expert in body language, we will just go round in circles. it is only a matter of time before the truth is known..

RMorgan
11th January 2012, 17:55
Ok.. We can rule the pants thing out.. it wasn't long ago late 90's to be precise that they sold these bootleg jeans all around the UK..
My partner still have a few pairs in her wardrobe..

I agree he dosen't look comfortable in front of the camera. he almost looks shy and been put on the spot?

Unless someone here is a expert in body language, we will just go round in circles. it is only a matter of time before the truth is known..

Hey mate,

You can consider myself an expert in body language. I´m into it for a long time, went to many lectures, read many books and did many courses about it, including a 3 months course with the same man that teaches body language interpretation, lie detection and passive interrogation techniques to the Brazilian Federal Police.

I consider my interpretation of this video to be at least 90% accurate, but all I can give you is my word.

Cheers,

Raf.

meat suit
11th January 2012, 22:05
hello Raf,
sorry to side track here, but as you are an expert.... what is your take on Benjamin Fulfords body language?

cheers

ScubaMonkey
11th January 2012, 22:55
This video could be fake..made this year..just with a old 1980s camera and 1980s clothing...

This is the feeling get on this. My spidey sense was tingling from seconds into the vid. The whole thing seems scripted. I dont even think it was shot on an old camera. The picture quality appears perfect but seems to have had a little "magic" worked on it to make you think it was shot using old tape.

Enquiring1
12th January 2012, 02:36
hello Raf,
sorry to side track here, but as you are an expert.... what is your take on Benjamin Fulfords body language?

cheers

GGGGGGGreat question! Raf please, please respond!

Turcurulin
12th January 2012, 04:33
He missed on the" cars running with oil between 2000-2005 will be gone"remark....

Only half-wrong there - the fact that he nailed it to the years of the 'hybrid movement' says something.

This dude totally reeks of the '80s, bra. =)

Clothes -
The glasses are 'aviators'. (Top-Gun, anyone?)
Did anyone catch the shirt-cuffs poking out of the top of his jacket-sleeves?.. hilarious.
The choice of pants doesn't say much - it's like looking at a picture of me from the mid-90's and saying, "That's not the '90s because his pants aren't baggy or hanging half-way down his a$$." To expand on this, my dad wouldn't have been caught dead in the clothes from the '80s-era advertisements posted here (just as I wouldn't wear much of anything that the models sport in magazines now-a-days.)

Background -
He's certainly got a lot of records. Carosel?.. Really?..
I haven't seen a crystal door-knob in forever! Maybe since the '80s... =) jk

Language -
We don't know that he can't speak English. We only know that he speaks French immaculately. California has a city called "Frenchtown," which was founded by a Frenchmen and occupied by French and French-Canadian miners. In my own experience, I've observed that it's not difficult for immigrants to get along in the United States with only their native-language and broken English at their disposal.

Video Quality -
Looks too new to me as well. But, hey, there were some great cameras at this time that were perfectly capable of producing film of this quality (though the camera and film would have been extremely expensive.)

The message is as one takes it. If 'we' are the losers, then 'we' are also a part of the establishment (the only true loser in an encounter of this magnitude.) I appreciate Michael's take, at the top of the post, on why 'the psychic' can't see past 2012.

It is odd that this video is just surfacing on this forum if it is that old. With that being said, it's also odd, though less so, that the video would be debunked here so enthusiastically. Remember - disbelief is belief (Thanks to DNA for this reminder.)

I can't say that it's real or fake - but I wouldn't be surprised at either.

Great stuff, viking!

RMorgan
12th January 2012, 12:20
hello Raf,
sorry to side track here, but as you are an expert.... what is your take on Benjamin Fulfords body language?

cheers

Hey mate,

Ben Fulford is very enthusiastic about what he´s saying. All his gestures are coherent.

However, there´s something wrong with his eyes, which, in my opinion, demonstrates characteristics of schizophrenia. Fast blinking sequences, occasional rolling eyes and very tense eyebrows muscles, constant swallowing, and some other signs. This diagnosis, of course, can´t be considered accurate, because it isn´t easy to detect specific mental illness, but I´m sure he´s got a very confused mind.

In my opinion, he´s saying the truth, however, it doesn´t mean this "truth" is genuine, because he might have been led to believe in such truth by some kind of mental illness, maybe paranoid schizophrenia.

To conclude, he´s not deliberately lying, but what he´s saying might be the fruits of a very confused mind.

Cheers,

Raf.

viking
12th January 2012, 13:14
Ok ... I have managed to track his name down...it is Albert Florintie. I have also heard that he died about one month ago!!

I cannot find out if this is true, and if so what age he was when he died...

I have done some further research but most of the links are in french ... so any detectives out there...here you go...

I'll keep you posted...

viking

NeverMind
12th January 2012, 13:22
Would you post those links? :-)

P.S. OK, never mind. Found them.

http://www.tvqc.com/tag/albert-florintie/

It is Sean McIver OR Albert Florintie.
And the TV programme was, supposedly, L’heure de vérité.
Oh, and the video's provenance seems to be Quebec. Based on the email address attached to it, many people speculate it could be a marketing campaign.

(I really don't have the time to pursue this right now, but perhaps some else does. :-))

viking
12th January 2012, 13:27
Link here in French ... looks like a forum chatting about this topic ?!

http://nibiru-investigations.xooit.fr/t9410-Tout-simplement-hallucinant-si-veredique.htm

viking

NeverMind
12th January 2012, 13:43
Link here in French ... looks like a forum chatting about this topic ?!

http://nibiru-investigations.xooit.fr/t9410-Tout-simplement-hallucinant-si-veredique.htm

viking


Yes, they are chatting about this topic - and some of the posts are quite good, actually :) - but not about his identity, really. They're just speculating along the same lines as the conversation here, in this thread.

Considering that the address seems to be that of a marketing company based in Canada, I would say it is quite probable that it is indeed a marketing campaign - possibly inspired by the Swedish one, with the guy who met his older self after climbing under his kitchen sink, remember? :) - so I would venture the estimate that this case is 99 % solved. :-)

alienHunter
12th January 2012, 17:04
Hi Raf,

This might be outside your line of expertise but how about watching Ron Paul for awhile?

Before anybody goes kablooey let me quickly add that I've already concluded that the gentleman in this thread's video is a time traveler :cool:



hello Raf,
sorry to side track here, but as you are an expert.... what is your take on Benjamin Fulfords body language?

cheers

Hey mate,

Ben Fulford is very enthusiastic about what he´s saying. All his gestures are coherent.

However, there´s something wrong with his eyes, which, in my opinion, demonstrates characteristics of schizophrenia. Fast blinking sequences, occasional rolling eyes and very tense eyebrows muscles, constant swallowing, and some other signs. This diagnosis, of course, can´t be considered accurate, because it isn´t easy to detect specific mental illness, but I´m sure he´s got a very confused mind.

In my opinion, he´s saying the truth, however, it doesn´t mean this "truth" is genuine, because he might have been led to believe in such truth by some kind of mental illness, maybe paranoid schizophrenia.

To conclude, he´s not deliberately lying, but what he´s saying might be the fruits of a very confused mind.

Cheers,

Raf.

RMorgan
12th January 2012, 19:00
Hi Raf,

This might be outside your line of expertise but how about watching Ron Paul for awhile?

Before anybody goes kablooey let me quickly add that I've already concluded that the gentleman in this thread's video is a time traveler :cool:



hello Raf,
sorry to side track here, but as you are an expert.... what is your take on Benjamin Fulfords body language?

cheers

Hey mate,

Ben Fulford is very enthusiastic about what he´s saying. All his gestures are coherent.

However, there´s something wrong with his eyes, which, in my opinion, demonstrates characteristics of schizophrenia. Fast blinking sequences, occasional rolling eyes and very tense eyebrows muscles, constant swallowing, and some other signs. This diagnosis, of course, can´t be considered accurate, because it isn´t easy to detect specific mental illness, but I´m sure he´s got a very confused mind.

In my opinion, he´s saying the truth, however, it doesn´t mean this "truth" is genuine, because he might have been led to believe in such truth by some kind of mental illness, maybe paranoid schizophrenia.

To conclude, he´s not deliberately lying, but what he´s saying might be the fruits of a very confused mind.

Cheers,

Raf.

Hi my friend,

Well, all I can say about Ron Paul is that, in my opinion, he´s one of the most coherent, sincere and honest politicians I´ve ever seen.

In terms of body language, I have no reason to say the contrary.

The United States will be very lucky if it could elect him as president.

You know, to understand body language you don´t have to study a lot. It´s a natural human ability.

Anyone, with a little bit of sensibility, can perceive the difference between Ron Paul and his competitors. It´s a huge difference. Just look him in the eyes.

Cheers,

Raf.

noxon medem
13th January 2012, 10:27
..
-

I probably have too much time on my hands , and some to spend ..
(and have recently watched all 5 seasons of "the wire" in a week ..).
So I took on this little piece of "detective-work" for some days now and
have come up with conclusive evidence to the nature of the OP video:

This one:

"Psychic's predictions for 2012 -- From 30 years ago. F#@*ing scary! - English subtitles"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZAIQJmE75vg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZAIQJmE75vg
( 6min34sec uploaded 7. jan. 2012 by Paranormal )

I have gathered a lot of knowledge and personal experience with TV and filmproduction
and have worked with professional late 80s equipment and modern Digital techniques.
The video looked possible to produce on early eightys highend video or film ,
but something was out of place in what then would have been a costly production.
And it could also easily be made today , on relative simple equipment.

The video spread into many forums quickly , and both there and on Youtube
the speculations and investigations and opinions flurished fast .
Loads of people dismissed it as a hoax immediately , but I was not content with their
arguements or investigations , allthough something did not seem right about the video .
And with no source , producer , name of the psycich ,or any validating info at all ,
it (and all like it) has to be viewed as a fiction initialy , and see if more unfolds from there.

I decided to follow the comments on Utube , and a few forums , and soon there was
references to different names of the psycich and related info that was dead ends , but
then this image surfaced , and gave new momentum and clues to the "story" :

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That put it in a new perspective , investigationwise , because my photographers eye
could see strong technical suggestion of photoshopping the psycichs head onto a body
in the audience , of what seemed to be a show from the 80s.
But it was a very compressed and diffused image (sic) so I needed the original to be sure.

The psycich and TVshow montage came from this source:
http://album.aufeminin.com/album/822139/la-photo-qui-prouve-le-mensonge-0.html
uploaded by françois berrero on a rather empty profile page on the feminine-forum,
but in the bottom right corner there was a link to a little chat that gave another clue:
http://forum.aufeminin.com/forum/f569/__f427088_f569-qui-connait-ce-type.html
A reference to a mediaresource, Ina, where the picture had been captured or copied from.
http://www.ina.fr/
Some hours were spent randomly and fruitlessly searching through their archives.

At the same time the comments on the subject started mentioning a french TVshow
called l'heure de verite , and with that keyword I spend the rest of the night on Ina ,
looking for and at l'heure de verite and other similar shows from 1980 - 85 . No result.
So after some sleep I thought of searching some more , but soon had to give it a rest
and decided to wait and see if other information surfaced on the net (or in my brain).

Last night I checked Youtube again , and someone had dug even deeper in the Ina-chest.
Here is the comment , with thanks to whoever found it:

Go to ina.fr and then type in l'heure de verite, its a show with charles pasqua and the show is on 02/07/1986. pause at 40.39 minutes and you will see the same exact picture and you will see it has been photoshopped because this french 'psychic' was NEVER in de audience it was another man.
MsDennisJay
So I did , voila , there it was , allthough at 44 minutes and 22 second , more precise, and the show is from 1986 :
http://www.ina.fr/economie-et-societe/justice-et-faits-divers/video/CAB86017138/charles-pasqua.fr.html

12658 .... 12659

The original image from the TVshow , captured by some , who manipulated the psycichs head onto it.
And important point being , that the head in the TVshow-image is not from the 2012-video.
So whoever made the image had other headshots of him , fitted to this particular scene.
( that is the most reasonable conclusion , that leaves little doubt in my mind anyway )

So I can put that prediction and video to rest as a fictional product , on well founded evidence.
Supported by a lot of circumstantial ones.

I will assume that the same group of people are also the producers of the video and behind
this whole mediacampaign , hoax , sport , marketing-thing or whatever it is.
Who they are and why they made it is not very important to me , but still up for speculation.
If it is a campain for a movie or marketingcompetion, some suggested, then we will hear more.
It is also a good jobaplication within media , film , psy-ops or maybe something usefull.
Technicaly (and tacticaly) it is very well made , and a clever campaign , allthough reckless .
( 111.833 views on Utube, only on this one, as I write this, 5-6 days after it was posted )


Even if the video was legit and real , his predictions did not have to be .
Like someone pointed out :
A bit strange that he predicted all battery cars and wars for oil in the same time ...

- so, all well then , I guess .
Sweet dreams of a peaceful future .
( or at least a future ..).

:fish2:
nm

noxon medem
13th January 2012, 10:37
Will put a few more words on the subject here soon, or later .
For now another image I captured from the Ina archive.

12660

A (not so) mystery guest among the audience of the TVshow
(at around 40 minutes into the video)
http://www.ina.fr/economie-et-societe/justice-et-faits-divers/video/CAB86017138/charles-pasqua.fr.html


Charles Pasqua
L'heure de vérité - 02/07/1986 - 01h35min19s
1029 vues

Après l'annonce par François-Henri de VIRIEU des thèmes principaux de l'émission et de quelques questions de téléspectateurs, Charles PASQUA répond aux questions de Alain DUHAMEL sur le manque de popularité du gouvernement CHIRAC, la cohabitation, l'insécurité, le projet de loi sur les immigrés ; de Marcel TRILLAT concernant les contrôles d'identité et le respect des lois, la baisse de la criminalité durant le gouvernement précèdent, les bavures policières et le SAC ; et d'Albert DU ROY à propos du recours au référendum, notamment pour le rétablissement de la peine de mort, le remplacement des hauts fonctionnaires par l'actuel gouvernement, les syndicats, les prélèvements fiscaux et la suppression de l'impôt sur les grandes fortunes, et le libéralisme. Commentaires de Jérôme JAFFRE dans les locaux de la SOFRES sur les résultats des sondages effectués à la fin de l'émission sur" un échantillon représentatif de 250 personnes Durant le générique de fin on reconnaît Nicolas Sarkozy qui quitte le plateau parmi tous les invités
Production
producteur ou co-producteur:
Antenne 2


Générique
réalisateur:
Leridon, Jean Luc
participant:
Pasqua, Charles ; Duhamel, Alain ; Trillat, Marcel ; Du Roy, Albert
présentateur:
Virieu, François Henri de

kersley
13th January 2012, 10:55
@noxon.. Great detective work my friend..Now maybe you can solve the Bigfoot thread. real or fake?

RMorgan
13th January 2012, 12:06
Noxon,

Thanks! Really nice work! I like your style! :)

Well, if people needed evidence to prove this video is a hoax, I guess there´s no doubt anymore.

Cheers,

Raf.

alienHunter
13th January 2012, 12:26
Be serious, Bigfoot is VERY real. Haven't you ever seen Harry and the Hendersons?


@noxon.. Great detective work my friend..Now maybe you can solve the Bigfoot thread. real or fake?

On a more serious note, I watched a bigfoot documentary last night...it was interesting and as is usually the case there are some very serious scientists and investigators chasing him all over the countryside.

kersley
13th January 2012, 16:54
Be serious, Bigfoot is VERY real. Haven't you ever seen Harry and the Hendersons?


@noxon.. Great detective work my friend..Now maybe you can solve the Bigfoot thread. real or fake?

On a more serious note, I watched a bigfoot documentary last night...it was interesting and as is usually the case there are some very serious scientists and investigators chasing him all over the countryside.

Do you have a link for that documentary? sounds very interesting..
Thanks

music
13th January 2012, 21:31
Be serious, Bigfoot is VERY real. Haven't you ever seen Harry and the Hendersons?


@noxon.. Great detective work my friend..Now maybe you can solve the Bigfoot thread. real or fake?



Harry and the Hendersons - what a great concept for a reality TV show. You should check out Harry's predictions for 2012 btw, they'll blow your mind. Alf's predictions are pretty out there too, but I doubt the one about us all eating cats by the end of 2012 will come true.

DNA
14th January 2012, 03:03
Will Hunting was pretty psychic too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rQNdBmPek&feature=player_embedded

DNA
14th January 2012, 03:11
Google says Michael Ellegion instead of Elligion.

http://www.google.nl/search?tbm=isch&hl=nl&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=787&q=Michael+Elligion&gbv=2&oq=Michael+Elligion&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1927l1927l0l3129l1l1l0l0l0l0l70l70l1l1l0

And it gives a different picture of the man.

My feel: the camera quality is too good. His mimic seems unreal. The man has his jacket closed. Shiney new glasses on. He suddenly stops the "interview". I would guess it's fake.

My thoughts exactly.

WhiteFeather
14th January 2012, 04:13
It's Fear Porn, use your intuition peeps. Time to move on.

Mulder
14th January 2012, 04:42
bing
2012: A Psychic's Prediction
[I]Are you prepared for the possible catastrophic events of 2012? How would you escape a 700 foot wall of water if you KNEW it was coming?
A world renowned Psychic has predicted that on December the 21st, 2012 at 11.11am, the world will be changed, forever.


[/FONT]

But our calendar is out by approx. 3 years so I've heard witnesses say - if so, then nothing will happen until 21 Dec 2015. So it looks like there will be no salvation and we'll have to save ourselves, or face living in a prison-planet!

I'm thinking Viking submitted this "1980" video as a practical joke and is laughing at us - the man's hair looks like a bad wig, there's a dog at 1.48, & he says cars running on petrol will be gone in 2000-2005 which hasn't happened!

Also, in 1980 brand-new home video cameras had imperfections like "scratchy" pictures & they ran very old film like Polaroid Polavision (An instant 8mm film released in 1977 by Polaroid), which had a dark sepia-like tone, not so clear like this one! But his camera is likely to be older anyway, for example it's 2012 & my current camera is a 2006 model running mini DV tapes - I don't have the latest 2012 High Definition hard-disc home video camera!