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Billy
19th January 2012, 13:47
Mauro Biglino: Unexpected Bible - Translating it literally, English sutbitles

Mauro Biglino translated 23 books of the Bible for the Vatican. He had to translate the Stalingrad Codex (the version of the Bible which all three major monotheistic religions - Cristian, Jewish and Muslim - recognize as the official Bible) from the Hebrew, word by word, literally and with no interpretation whatsoever. That is to say, he's not a wannabe kabbalist, conspirationist or ufologist, since the official publishing organism of the Vatican approved and released those books, at least 17 of them. While working on the Bible, he realized that many of the stories this book tells where mistranslated, misinterpretated, mostly on purpose, in order to insert the notion of a spiritual, allmighty and unerring God. The picture he gives us of the bestseller of all times is surprisingly different from what we all were told. Actually, as soon as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!

"THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE"

English E-book download at:
http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/?page_id=2

EDIT: 27th Jan. I am posting Mauro's introduction in video one as a text, in case it is missed in the post later as i think what he says in the introduction is important. Videos follow introduction talk. I have left out the end where he actually begins to speak about individual text translation. Elohim's RUACH which i will post seperately. now to be found on page 5 post 96. beginning of Tape 2 to be found on page 7 post 121

Mauro Biglino literal translation of the bible.

The bible is a history book.

Tape number one.

Mauro is a translator of masoretic Hebrew,

The Vatican published 17 volumes from the Old Testement,

Mauro recommends that we do not buy them, ( They are for stoned people)

Mauro splits Jewish words into single components,

The unpublished books the Vatican still hold are Joshua and Judges,

Anything Mauro says, does not go against anyones personal faith,

14mins 17secs
Mauro speaks of things in conferences that are not in the book,

We think of the bible as a book "arranged" a thousand years ago, Not so, It was "Fixed" between the 7th and 9th century AD. 600 t0 800 AD

Out of all the schools which were the Palestinian, Samaritan, Babylonian and Tiberian, It was the family of the Tiberian School,

The family name is Moshed Ben Aaron Ben Asaer that defined the bible as we know it now,

If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.

One problem those gentlemen did not have was the "linguistic question" they never asked themselves.
They were interested in only their, "theological thought"

So the only thing we should know for certain, is that the only certainly we have is, That we know that we do not know

We do not know even how the bible was vocalized when they wrote it.

At this time when most of the biblical events happened above all, The fundamental ones. Hebrew did not even exist.
Moses did not speak Hebrew, When in the desert they did not speak Jewish, During the exodus if you like,

If you want to believe, They spoke sort of semetic language, You can" but i doubt it".
They spoke some sort of Arorite then maybe later they spoke some sort of Aramaic,

Then later after a couple of centuries the Jewish Language began to shape, which is actually a transformed sub-phoenician.

Again the only certainly is that, we know that we don't know,

with this understanding, which gives us a great serentity, we can begin to listen to the text.
but this is an understanding that anyone who works on the bible should have, including the theologists, cabalists,

and all those who say, " I'll tell you how it is, That is why i will not tell you, "how things are"

I will tell you that there is in the Jewish consonant "roots" because that is my job, or better was my job.

My exact duty was to search the original "meaning" of course, by using traditional dictionaries in Jewish and Aramaic etymology edited by Ribbis and published in Israel or in the U.S.

EDIT 24th feb 2012 There are more updated video's on page 8 of this thread





Part 1 of 6. Introduction and where Maura translates the hebrew word RUACH, Official Hebrew translation = Spirit of God, Elohims, Maura's literal translation= Wind of God, That hovers on water, Vatican Latin translation = Starship. Watch these interesting Videos.
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Part2 of 6. Mauro translates " We are made in Image of God or Likeness " Literal translation = We were made using a certain amount of material which contains Elohims image which has been " cut out " = DNA
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Part 5. King David has a Radio. Cool :-)

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Part 6. the end, only 2mins

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Flash
19th January 2012, 15:05
Wow, I will look into it later today

Simonm
19th January 2012, 15:15
Yet people call Sitchin a nutjob for his hypothesis. A lot of the bible appears to have been a literal translation from the texts od Sumer

Billy
19th January 2012, 15:37
Yet people call Sitchin a nutjob for his hypothesis. A lot of the bible appears to have been a literal translation from the texts od Sumer

Mauro does mention Sitchen but only to say he did not use any of his translations.

marielle
19th January 2012, 16:07
Has anyone purchased the e-book? Is it worth the money?

Edit--I decided to just purchase it because I'm very interested but it takes me to the Italian PayPal site. I want to make sure I'm getting an English language version of this book. So I'm back to my original question...:dizzy:

RedeZra
19th January 2012, 16:49
Actually, as soon as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!



people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree

and i've never heard any sage or saint say so


still there is an orchestrated effort trying to convince humanity of it's subservient status to ET

so when they arrive with UFOs en masse people will acknowledge and admit second class status


for who can argue against the hypothesis of humanity as an ET experiment when ETs and UFOs are standing right in front of us ?


i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

thunder24
19th January 2012, 17:17
Just cause a sage or saint does not say we r an et experiment...does not prove or disprove...it means nothing.

Humanity must demand its soveirgnty from all other species of consciousness....not all ETS r from Hell or heaven, if such places exist....consciousness is just that....good bad balanced or not...It is....

as a people use some rationale about how we got here, doesn't mean u worship ur mother and father.... Find God that is within U and stand as one voice against the oppresion of the "Gods"

peace

WyoSeeker
19th January 2012, 17:22
people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree and i've never heard any sage or saint say so still there is an orchestrated effort trying to convince humanity of it's subservient status to ET so when they arrive with UFOs en masse people will acknowledge and admit second class status for who can argue against the hypothesis of humanity as an ET experiment when ETs and UFOs are standing right in front of us ?


i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to disagree but there is no such thing as hell and if you want to read about UFOs in the bible just check out Ezekiel. In fact if you substitute "ET" for "angel" or "spirit" when you read the bible it will make more sense.

Billy
19th January 2012, 17:33
Actually, as soon as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!



people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree

and i've never heard any sage or saint say so


still there is an orchestrated effort trying to convince humanity of it's subservient status to ET

so when they arrive with UFOs en masse people will acknowledge and admit second class status


for who can argue against the hypothesis of humanity as an ET experiment when ETs and UFOs are standing right in front of us ?


i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to say but the original texts of the bible does agree, It is the translation of the bible that does not agree, Hell does not exist, Whether postive or negative All beings come from the universe including ourselves, I have read the Bible many times as a book starting at page one. Inside the bible there are HUNDREDS of mentions of Flying Crafts, Including the one Yahwey came in and spoke to Moses on the mount.

Out of interest have you listened to the whole conference in the video's above.

RedeZra
19th January 2012, 17:33
people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree and i've never heard any sage or saint say so still there is an orchestrated effort trying to convince humanity of it's subservient status to ET so when they arrive with UFOs en masse people will acknowledge and admit second class status for who can argue against the hypothesis of humanity as an ET experiment when ETs and UFOs are standing right in front of us ?


i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to disagree but there is no such thing as hell and if you want to read about UFOs in the bible just check out Ezekiel. In fact if you substitute "ET" for "angel" or "spirit" when you read the bible it will make more sense.

it's fine to disagree and i'm aware of this enterprise to alienate angels and turning spiritual realms into physical planets

people believe this twisting of Scripture because people have become too physical and less spiritual

RedeZra
19th January 2012, 17:49
i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to say but the original texts of the bible does agree, It is the translation of the bible that does not agree, Hell does not exist


the spiritual realm is more real than the physical realm

physical bodies last more or less a hundred years while spiritual bodies last a loong time

the spiritual realm is more alive and vibrant than the physical realm

physical techs are shadows of spiritual techs

MorningSong
19th January 2012, 18:07
Thanks so much for the OP! It perfectly fits in with what I have been studying lately. I did not know about Biglino's work! WOW! He has 4 books published here in Italy already.... too bad I didn't know about these seminars...Vimercate is not that far from where I work.

@merielle : The original book in Italian costs €16 (right now it is on sale for €13.60) but it is momentarialy out of stock from my favorite on-line book store (Macrolibrarsi). You might want to wait and see if a hard copy in English will come out. Or try googling it. Unfortuantely there is no way that I can figure out if the e-book is truely in English....but it does say it is....here's hoping!

Billy
19th January 2012, 18:19
Has anyone purchased the e-book? Is it worth the money?

Edit--I decided to just purchase it because I'm very interested but it takes me to the Italian PayPal site. I want to make sure I'm getting an English language version of this book. So I'm back to my original question...:dizzy:

The guy sepuste who uploaded the Video's on Utube i am sure is also the one who translated the video's. You could message him and ask if there is an English translation of the e-book
His Utube channel here. http://www.youtube.com/user/sepuste?feature=watch

Billy
19th January 2012, 18:26
i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to say but the original texts of the bible does agree, It is the translation of the bible that does not agree, Hell does not exist



the spiritual realm is more real than the physical realm

physical bodies last more or less a hundred years while spiritual bodies last a loong time

the spiritual realm is more alive and vibrant than the physical realm

physical techs are shadows of spiritual techs

I see you work within a programmed belief system. All i can say is Try to think outside the conditioned box my friend. Nothing more to exchange with you here. over and out

peace

RedeZra
19th January 2012, 18:37
i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to say but the original texts of the bible does agree, It is the translation of the bible that does not agree, Hell does not exist



the spiritual realm is more real than the physical realm

physical bodies last more or less a hundred years while spiritual bodies last a loong time

the spiritual realm is more alive and vibrant than the physical realm

physical techs are shadows of spiritual techs

I see you work within a programmed belief system. All i can say is Try to think outside the conditioned box my friend. Nothing more to exchange with you here. over and out


what is my programmed belief system ?

it is a fact that the physical body has an expiration date

we know it for sure


let me trust Scripture

and i let you trust men to tell you truths

blake
19th January 2012, 19:09
i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to say but the original texts of the bible does agree, It is the translation of the bible that does not agree, Hell does not exist



the spiritual realm is more real than the physical realm

physical bodies last more or less a hundred years while spiritual bodies last a loong time

the spiritual realm is more alive and vibrant than the physical realm

physical techs are shadows of spiritual techs

I see you work within a programmed belief system. All i can say is Try to think outside the conditioned box my friend. Nothing more to exchange with you here. over and out


what is my programmed belief system ?

it is a fact that the physical body has an expiration date

we know it for sure


let me trust Scripture

and i let you trust men to tell you truths

Hello RedeZra,

It is always a pleasure to get your point of view. And I am always in awe of humans who have a strong consistant faith, especially when it enhances the quality of their life. And it is becasue of your strong faith that I ask you the following question hoping that you can help me better understand humans who have such faith in the Bible. I think, as you are well aware by now, that the Bible has value as an ancient text, giving insight of the past and perhaps some wisdom passed on to modern humans. But it is hard for me to understand why some humans see it as a higher work than humans themselves. Did not humans write this book? Did not humans, who disliked what was written in it, actually rewrite it, by removing some texts, as well as changing words, if not sentences? Didn't Constantinople take on such a crucade, to have the Bible rewritten? And he was not the only one. Is it not true that perhaps the reason the early Bible was rewritten was becasue it gave too much credit to female humans, and essentially wrote women of any authority out of the bible? With all these rewrites of the Bible, and some of them very controlling to carve out and controll the thinking of the masses, if this was once the word of god, through channeling perhaps, has it not since lost the meat of its message?

How can scripture be anything but the writing of humans? I sure wish I could understand that. It is a good point to state that the human body has an expiration date. But how are you so sure that the Bible, rewritten and translated many times is the ultimate word of the Creator God, if there be such a being? To me if you read the Bible, you are reading the words of men. How can it be any other way?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Godiam
19th January 2012, 19:30
Sorry to disagree but there is no such thing as hell and if you want to read about UFOs in the bible just check out Ezekiel. In fact if you substitute "ET" for "angel" or "spirit" when you read the bible it will make more sense.

Hi WyoSeeker , I remember reding abot this interpretation of Ezekiel, But have come to believe, Rather than a UFO, the desciption could have described the human MERKABA, or Spiritual Energy......anyway food for thought, and I completely agree with you about this so called Hell!

HUGS.....Godiam

Billy
19th January 2012, 22:22
I have watched all 6 video's now, This guy is good, To connect ancient scriptural text with advanced technology is a great leap forward, I have also just found out that Mauro is a master of hebrew and other ancient symbols. On the last 2min video i do not agree with Mauro that Jesus is not mentioned in the OT. The story of Elijah is a good example.

Great video conference, Thank you for your work Mauro.

peace

RedeZra
20th January 2012, 02:37
let me trust Scripture

and i let you trust men to tell you truths

Hello RedeZra,

But how are you so sure that the Bible, rewritten and translated many times is the ultimate word of the Creator God, if there be such a being? To me if you read the Bible, you are reading the words of men. How can it be any other way?



hi Blake


why believe a few men from the alternative media who say the Bible has been lost in translation ?

show the evidence and not accusations only

men are liars


the Bible has been translated and not tampered with

but some modern versions are missing important verses

like how to drive out powerful demons or strongmen


http://bible.cc/matthew/17-21.htm


and again impress this on the mind

men are liars

Erich
20th January 2012, 04:54
Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

RedeZra
20th January 2012, 05:08
Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

I wrote the Ten commandments

Unified Serenity
20th January 2012, 07:38
I have watched all 6 video's now, This guy is good, To connect ancient scriptural text with advanced technology is a great leap forward, I have also just found out that Mauro is a master of hebrew and other ancient symbols. On the last 2min video i do not agree with Mauro that Jesus is not mentioned in the OT. The story of Elijah is a good example.

Great video conference, Thank you for your work Mauro.

peace

Melchizedok is the High Priest of the Most High God and he had no father or mother hence he was just there, and Abraham sacrificed to him hence worshipped him. It's pretty clear this is very likely the same entity as the one most call Jesus.

Robstar
20th January 2012, 08:38
and again impress this on the mind

men are liars
Exactly!
You do know that the bible was written by man for man. God did not just magically summon pen paper and the thing wrote itself. Divine intervention through the hands of man (maybe)?.
I get where you are headed but if you really read the bible ,really study it it will one day become apparent that there is so much man has gotten wrong in translation or left out. Everyone has their faith and i won't ever question yours. In my own journey i grew up in many different denominations of the christian faith. Then i came to a place where i started to ask questions about why there where books left out and the true meaning of some of the original words.
And behold!
A whole new chapter in knowledge and understating that no current modern christian faith is teaching was revealed. If you really believe in something and you love it with all of your heart you owe it yourself look at it from a different angle in order to appreciate more or reveal new truths.
I does not have nullify your beliefs.

Billy
20th January 2012, 11:00
Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

D you mean what scriptures he used for his translation of the 10 commandments in the conference video?,
In the video discription it says He had to translate the Stalingrad Codex (the version of the Bible which all three major monotheistic religions - Cristian, Jewish and Muslim - recognize as the official Bible) from the Hebrew word for word, ( as a literal translation with no intepretations)

Erich
20th January 2012, 11:38
Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

I wrote the Ten commandments

OK, I have no idea what you mean by that, but what I asked: Biglino claims the 10 commandments as they are known today are inaccurate. He has a different translation. I am interested in that translation.

Billy
20th January 2012, 11:54
Has anyone purchased the e-book? Is it worth the money?

Edit--I decided to just purchase it because I'm very interested but it takes me to the Italian PayPal site. I want to make sure I'm getting an English language version of this book. So I'm back to my original question...:dizzy:

The guy sepuste who uploaded the Video's on Utube i am sure is also the one who translated the video's. You could message him and ask if there is an English translation of the e-book
His Utube channel here. http://www.youtube.com/user/sepuste?feature=watch

marelle here is an English blog site for the e-book.also more info on the book on this site, http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/?page_id=2&fb_source=message

contact details here, http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/?page_id=15

Simonm
20th January 2012, 12:04
Yet another topic that is subjective. The bible we all know has been changed from it's original records of existence from the outset. Initially the bible was the history of mankind, yet since the middle ages those that seek control have changed it's word to mean something totally different.
Sumerain texts tell tales of origin, the great deluge, etc and they have appeared in the bible as if totally ignoring their original forms. imo, for what it's worth, Biglino is spot on. Man created God, in the manner in which we know it today.

Billy
20th January 2012, 13:59
I have watched all 6 video's now, This guy is good, To connect ancient scriptural text with advanced technology is a great leap forward, I have also just found out that Mauro is a master of hebrew and other ancient symbols. On the last 2min video i do not agree with Mauro that Jesus is not mentioned in the OT. The story of Elijah is a good example.

Great video conference, Thank you for your work Mauro.

peace

Melchizedok is the High Priest of the Most High God and he had no father or mother hence he was just there, and Abraham sacrificed to him hence worshipped him. It's pretty clear this is very likely the same entity as the one most call Jesus.

In the Annunciation of Mother Mary it is difficult to say just " Who's seed " was impregnated into her when she was taken up in the cloud (craft) of the most high :hail:

some believe that the simularities between Abraham's ( attempted ) sacrifice requested by his most high God with his son and Jesus's sacrifice are symbolically connected, But i do not believe that Melchizedok was the one that Abraham sacrificed to. maybe i have missinterpeted your comment.

I have my own personal theory who's seed was used to be the blood line and Father of Jesus.

peace

blake
20th January 2012, 16:16
let me trust Scripture

and i let you trust men to tell you truths

Hello RedeZra,

But how are you so sure that the Bible, rewritten and translated many times is the ultimate word of the Creator God, if there be such a being? To me if you read the Bible, you are reading the words of men. How can it be any other way?



hi Blake


why believe a few men from the alternative media who say the Bible has been lost in translation ?

show the evidence and not accusations only

men are liars


the Bible has been translated and not tampered with

but some modern versions are missing important verses

like how to drive out powerful demons or strongmen


http://bible.cc/matthew/17-21.htm


and again impress this on the mind

men are liars

Hello RedeZra,

Excellent point, I should not repeat accusations of others humans who have claimed to do research on this matter, but show actual proof that the original bible was tampered with. And as many modern writers, such as Graham Hancock, have written how many gospels were left out of the bible for so many reasons, or how certain words were used in the translations that could change the whole perspective of the sentence, are indeed the work of other humans and not myself. And it is very well indeed impressed upon my mind that humans generally are quite the liars, or if not outright liars, then tragic rationalizers.

So good point, and as this is not my area of expertise I can only fall upon my own reasoning ability and experience, and not proven actual fact that I personlly know of. Although, I am leaning toward the thinking that perhaps those who have studied the bible, other gospels excluded from the bible, other ancient text, and mythologies, might be able to come up with some facts that connect the dots to the conclusion that indeed the Bible has been tampered with.

The Bible is ancient text that humans have held in awe for centuries. The Bible has been used to influence humans since its known existence. Even the word, Bible, has such power over many humans, that humans will place their hand on a Bible as they take an oath, or swear to tell the truth. This action shows proof of the power of perceived purity that it has over the action of humans. Why some humans think that a human wouldn’t lie with their hand on the Bible, to me is the ultimate mind game trick. They can lie, and they do lie, but the perception is bought that they won’t lie. Why do humans want to believe that? I think I will take my oath on the dictionary any day that I am sworn to tell the truth. But humans wouldn’t take me seriously would they? Such power, the word, Bible, has over so many humans. And who gave it such power? Why humans of course.

It doesn’t matter what the content of the Bible is, many humans in the western world are impressed since their birth, before they even learn to read, or understand its content, that the Bible is something righteous and should be in awe of. So that conditioning of its importance alone makes me suspect that the original meaning of the Bible has not remained pure throughout the centuries; it is much too powerful of a tool not to be used by the greedy. And the kings alone loved tools that controlled their subjects. What would happen if a King disagreed with something in the Bible?

When I weigh in how the priority of gaining power over others is such a large part of human nature, it seems to me that it would only be in alliance with that part of human nature that there would be many humans who would use such a powerful icon, such as the Bible to control others with. And indeed they have. And it also seems logical, to me, that since the mere word “Bible” can have such a profound affect on so many humans, for no other reason than they were indoctrinated of its purity above humankind since birth, that should there be content in this book, that so many humans place the highest value on, as if it were their newborn child to be accepted and loved without question, that content could and would be altered to fit their needs to control the population.

Do we have the original Bible? What is the proof of those that say that indeed the content has never been changed? I have absolutely no theological background whatsoever. I have never read the Bible. Although, when my children were small, I thought about reading it to them as part of their training in literature, however, I was taken aback by the blood and violence in it, that I tossed it aside, as I didn’t want my children’s minds polluted with such ugliness. It would have been highly incongruent to their fragile reasoning skills to hear theses stories while a good deal of reverence is still being given to the Bible by our society at large in the Western World.

Again I don’t know this as fact, but it has been stated even in the main stream education that the kings of the Middle Ages swore on the bible to start the crusades; and what was the purpose of the crusades? To start war, to retake Jerusalem, kill people that the bible didn’t recognize or have control over?

So you are correct, I do not know or have proof without doing the research to provide hard core evidence. My conclusion is based on the writings and research of others that happen to appeal to my basic reasoning of how human nature works.

But can you do what you ask of me? Can you supply proof that the Bible has not changed over the centuries? Do you have proof that it is the word of the one and only Creative God, and not of just mere mortal with their innate need to control others? And if not, what is your reasoning that it indeed has not been tampered with, and that it is indeed the word of the one and only creative God?

Thank you for the link, with the translations, I find that a helpful link. There are a few lines that I do what took look up . But I can’t quite remember the exact lines, but will have to take time to reference them.

Looking forward to what you have to say.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

thunder24
20th January 2012, 16:49
thanku mr. davis

mountain_jim
20th January 2012, 16:59
I learned years ago that engaging in debates with true-believers (of any core religious belief systems) was a waste of my time and energy.

Leaving thread now. :)

blake
20th January 2012, 20:32
I learned years ago that engaging in debates with true-believers (of any core religious belief systems) was a waste of my time and energy.

Leaving thread now. :)

Hello mountain_jim,

Well that all depends on your objective. If your objective is to force your beliefs on someone else, or prove them wrong, or try to get them to think like you, than yes, it is a waste of your time. But if you are truly trying to understand how another human can think so differently than you, then it is not a waste of time. The more we can understand each other, the more respect we can show to each other, the more harmony is created in this 3d world of diversity of beleif systems. Understanding is a wonderful thing. I think it brings respect and where there is respect you will help eliminate the seeds of war.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

mountain_jim
20th January 2012, 21:19
I learned years ago that engaging in debates with true-believers (of any core religious belief systems) was a waste of my time and energy.

Leaving thread now. :)

Hello mountain_jim,

Well that all depends on your objective. If your objective is to force your beliefs on someone else, or prove them wrong, or try to get them to think like you, than yes, it is a waste of your time. But if you are truly trying to understand how another human can think so differently than you, then it is not a waste of time. The more we can understand each other, the more respect we can show to each other, the more harmony is created in this 3d world of diversity of beleif systems. Understanding is a wonderful thing. I think it brings respect and where there is respect you will help eliminate the seeds of war.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

I guess I lied. I am back. :)

And I see I have ceded the high ground here. To explain why I came to relate to this matter as I do, it comes from having my heart and intellect forcefully assaulted with bad programming in my youth, by a large mega-church of the Southern Baptist Christian persuasion. I had to become a near-adult just to be able to stop being forced to undergo that every week.

For example, the preacher assured us 'we would all go to Hell' if we did not come not just to sunday morning church lessons and sermons, but sunday night as well. SO much of it was instilling fear and control......

It made me an atheist for a time. Certain experiences that showed me The One and Harmony with All awareness changed all that, and saved my current Lifetime.

In college I spent much time learning about as many Eastern and Western religions as possible, and engaging in discussions and debates. I invited Jehovah's Witnesses who knocked on my door in to my home to discuss what they believed verses where I saw things differently.

What I learned through these experiences was that once a belief system was fully programmed-in and a life based around it then it was extremely rare for any alternative view to these belief systems to be understood or even heard - open mindedness is not encouraged by traditional Christianity in my experience, and rarely practiced by it's adherants.

So I guess I gave up trying to meet these folks in the middle.

My own views about belief systems are largely influenced by the writings of Robert Anton Wilson, but I don't have his talents in communicating the multi-model viewpoint. I have learned through my personal experience that All models and relationships reduce to ONE, and that Unity, directly experienced, is my best working model for spiritual understanding.

Wilson:


The Western World has been brainwashed by Aristotle for the last 2,500 years. The unconscious, not quite articulate, belief of most Occidentals is that there is one map which adequately represents reality. By sheer good luck, every Occidental thinks he or she has the map that fits. Guerrilla ontology, to me, involves shaking up that certainty. I use what in modern physics is called the "multi-model" approach, which is the idea that there is more than one model to cover a given set of facts. As I've said, novel writing involves learning to think like other people. My novels are written so as to force the reader to see things through different reality grids rather than through a single grid. It's important to abolish the unconscious dogmatism that makes people think their way of looking at reality is the only sane way of viewing the world. My goal is to try to get people into a state of generalized agnosticism, not agnosticism about God alone, but agnosticism about everything. If one can only see things according to one's own belief system, one is destined to become virtually deaf, dumb, and blind. It's only possible to see people when one is able to see the world as others see it. That's what guerrilla ontology is — breaking down this one-model view and giving people a multi-model perspective.

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Whatever the Thinker thinks, the Prover will prove. And if the Thinker thinks passionately enough, the Prover will prove the thought so conclusively that you will never talk a person out of such a belief, even if it is something as remarkable as the notion that there is a gaseous vertebrate of astronomical heft ("GOD") who will spend all eternity torturing people who do not believe in his religion.

//////////

I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions.

Billy
20th January 2012, 22:08
I guess I lied. I am back. :)

.


nice to see you back Mountain, and thank you for sharing


peace

blake
20th January 2012, 23:01
I learned years ago that engaging in debates with true-believers (of any core religious belief systems) was a waste of my time and energy.

Leaving thread now. :)

Hello mountain_jim,

Well that all depends on your objective. If your objective is to force your beliefs on someone else, or prove them wrong, or try to get them to think like you, than yes, it is a waste of your time. But if you are truly trying to understand how another human can think so differently than you, then it is not a waste of time. The more we can understand each other, the more respect we can show to each other, the more harmony is created in this 3d world of diversity of beleif systems. Understanding is a wonderful thing. I think it brings respect and where there is respect you will help eliminate the seeds of war.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

I guess I lied. I am back. :)

And I see I have ceded the high ground here. To explain why I came to relate to this matter as I do, it comes from having my heart and intellect forcefully assaulted with bad programming in my youth, by a large mega-church of the Southern Baptist Christian persuasion. I had to become a near-adult just to be able to stop being forced to undergo that every week.

For example, the preacher assured us 'we would all go to Hell' if we did not come not just to sunday morning church lessons and sermons, but sunday night as well. SO much of it was instilling fear and control......

It made me an atheist for a time. Certain experiences that showed me The One and Harmony with All awareness changed all that, and saved my current Lifetime.

In college I spent much time learning about as many Eastern and Western religions as possible, and engaging in discussions and debates. I invited Jehovah's Witnesses who knocked on my door in to my home to discuss what they believed verses where I saw things differently.

What I learned through these experiences was that once a belief system was fully programmed-in and a life based around it then it was extremely rare for any alternative view to these belief systems to be understood or even heard - open mindedness is not encouraged by traditional Christianity in my experience, and rarely practiced by it's adherants.

So I guess I gave up trying to meet these folks in the middle.

My own views about belief systems are largely influenced by the writings of Robert Anton Wilson, but I don't have his talents in communicating the multi-model viewpoint. I have learned through my personal experience that All models and relationships reduce to ONE, and that Unity, directly experienced, is my best working model for spiritual understanding.

Wilson:


The Western World has been brainwashed by Aristotle for the last 2,500 years. The unconscious, not quite articulate, belief of most Occidentals is that there is one map which adequately represents reality. By sheer good luck, every Occidental thinks he or she has the map that fits. Guerrilla ontology, to me, involves shaking up that certainty. I use what in modern physics is called the "multi-model" approach, which is the idea that there is more than one model to cover a given set of facts. As I've said, novel writing involves learning to think like other people. My novels are written so as to force the reader to see things through different reality grids rather than through a single grid. It's important to abolish the unconscious dogmatism that makes people think their way of looking at reality is the only sane way of viewing the world. My goal is to try to get people into a state of generalized agnosticism, not agnosticism about God alone, but agnosticism about everything. If one can only see things according to one's own belief system, one is destined to become virtually deaf, dumb, and blind. It's only possible to see people when one is able to see the world as others see it. That's what guerrilla ontology is — breaking down this one-model view and giving people a multi-model perspective.

////////////
Whatever the Thinker thinks, the Prover will prove. And if the Thinker thinks passionately enough, the Prover will prove the thought so conclusively that you will never talk a person out of such a belief, even if it is something as remarkable as the notion that there is a gaseous vertebrate of astronomical heft ("GOD") who will spend all eternity torturing people who do not believe in his religion.

//////////

I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions.





Hello mountain_jim,

Those are good points, people do look at reality through the lens that they do and seldom can be moved to see it through a different lens. And that is okay, unless someone is being hurt. Yet, why should anyone get hurt over religion? And yet sadly humans do. Some to the point of calling others names, other to the point of killing.

I suppose my point of view is that all goodness leads humans on the right road, whatever that may be. And if your religion helps keep you on the road of goodness, than I love how that individual is using their religion.

I seldom talk about my religion, because the way I see it, I really don’t want humans wasting their time trying to convert me to the way they see their reality. I have lost many friends of the “Christian faith”, when they realized I was not Christian and would not be converted. They all “pray for my soul” Someone recently said to me“ Such a waste for such a nice guy to go to hell”. Well, I don’t believe in hell. Lucky me!

But I am a curious person, and when I do get a chance to question someone on what they believe, without them trying to “convert” me, I truly love knowing how other people think. I think it is wonderful that redeZra is devoted to his/her scriptures, especially if helps keeps the road of goodness in his or her life strong. No one really knows the truth of the mysteries of the universe. We all make our choices as to what makes sense or feels good to us. Should we be made fun of, called names or pressure someone to give up what is good for them?

I agree there are often many models to cover the same facts, it just depends what feels good to you. Perhaps it’s like ice cream. There are so many different flavors. Do you like chocolate, or strawberry, or vanilla? I like butter pecan. Choice is good in ice cream. Choice is good in a livelihood. Choice is good is past time. Choice is good in life style. Choice is good in food. Choice is good in music. Choice is good in how a human chooses to relate to the universe through their choice of religion, or by having no religion at all.

The bad part comes, the ugliness of human nature shows, when others tell us that our choices are wrong. Now if the choices we are making are hurting ourselves, or others then perhaps we need the feedback; but if a religion is making that person’s life good for them, any person demeaning that person’s religion needs to walk the plank as far as I am concerned.

I am really sorry you had to live through a time of being told you are going to hell if you didn’t show up for church. My spouse went to a catholic school and the stories she tells me about those nuns!!!!!!!!! It didn’t make her life better, Now she shares my religion, she likes it, and it makes her feels good.


If some one lives their life based on the scriptures of the bible, and that helps them live a good life, why would anyone upset the applecart? The fact is there is no human who really knows for sure who or what god is or isn’t. Yet, still I am curious as to why someone believes so strongly in something I just can’t logically process. But the bottom line it is really none of my business. And if they are generous enough to share their thoughts with me, not to convert me, but to be generous in their time to help me understand how another person perceives things, I appreciate their efforts and time in doing so. I do hope in my zeal of understanding that I did not insult redeZra or anyone else on this thread.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Beren
20th January 2012, 23:34
12“I have a lot more to tell you, but that would be too much for you now.

John 16

25Jesus also did many other things. If every one of them were written down, I suppose the world wouldn’t have enough room for the books that would be written.

John 21

Above stated words in Gospel of John indicated clearly of what type or level of conscience they were at.
Quite low.
We`re not better of even today...

Imagine about people in OT times...

Even lower...
Connection is clear ,Christ came to elevate us to our first estate, before the world of duality where Adam and Eve stepped in.

But one more thing should be noted ,very powerful enemies we have from spirit world who wants our demise even lower.
Evidences are that after Jesus`s departure after numerous wonderful things that he did ,very soon disturbance came into first Christian groups
(they weren`t calling themselves Christians at first-that came a bit later by spirit. Christians-holy ones- and what a joke about the term nowadays when thinking about religions -usurpers of the name "Christians").

Peace and good spirit was disturbed by twists in the stories , new emerging clergy and common illiteracy which made their job easier.

Things written in OT is part of world history of one nation and peoples surrounding them.
It carries the truth but twisted eyes can`t see it.

Same force that emerged among early Christians is at work today.
We are talking about it in various threads here on forum.

But one thing is sure, various levels of ET`s were visiting earth ,advance ones in Space ships and more advanced or super advanced in spirit or energy form for they don`t need technology for transport.
On the other hand some tech that was displayed was just for showcase for then humans.

Tent and stuff about it was an image of is happening in spirit world so humans with low level conscience could grasp about other world stuff or dimensional existence.

Spirit world is the world or sheer energy and material world uses technology for acts.
Since humanity was deep down in mire they couldn`t grasp (heck, even we today hardly grasping more above them) what is an angel or soul or spirit of God.
What is plasma or magnetism or gravity or higher laws of metaphysics ,mathematics,chemistry and else.
When you arrive on the level of angel ,you are beyond any possible material tech- much beyond star trek or star wars stuff or anything that we ever heard about ET`s and their tech.

Angel level is practically a level where you are your own technology and everything happens as you so please.
You don`t need any extra thing or vehicle or stuff , only thing you need is a will to be somewhere, or will or thought to manifest something and there you are and there you have it.

Beyond angels there are more levels, God knows how many.

We were once at the level very ,very close with angels while still in body. Higher than ET`s we hear about nowadays be it from Andromeda or any other star system anywhere.
Hence we didn`t need almost any tech at all. But since the choice was to plunge deep into duality ,we lost everything and went from a scratch.

We still have a long way to go but it can be quite fast if we decide that in our soul and in connection with God.

And for the final word here this isn`t about was or is Bible right.
It`s beyond evidence for there`s myriad evidences about its validity and whomever doesn`t want to see ,I can`t help it-your choice .

It is always about that personal inner invisible silky connection between you and God. Will you trust God or not... It`s such a fine thread ,most miss it. But happen to be found it`s the most potent connection in the universe - with THE Creator-God-Architect-Love-Life itself.

And wonderful thing is that Creator is ceaselessly calling us to grab that silky thread ... :wave:

blake
20th January 2012, 23:58
12“I have a lot more to tell you, but that would be too much for you now.

John 16

25Jesus also did many other things. If every one of them were written down, I suppose the world wouldn’t have enough room for the books that would be written.

John 21

Above stated words in Gospel of John indicated clearly of what type or level of conscience they were at.
Quite low.
We`re not better of even today...

Imagine about people in OT times...

Even lower...
Connection is clear ,Christ came to elevate us to our first estate, before the world of duality where Adam and Eve stepped in.

But one more thing should be noted ,very powerful enemies we have from spirit world who wants our demise even lower.
Evidences are that after Jesus`s departure after numerous wonderful things that he did ,very soon disturbance came into first Christian groups
(they weren`t calling themselves Christians at first-that came a bit later by spirit. Christians-holy ones- and what a joke about the term nowadays when thinking about religions -usurpers of the name "Christians").

Peace and good spirit was disturbed by twists in the stories , new emerging clergy and common illiteracy which made their job easier.

Things written in OT is part of world history of one nation and peoples surrounding them.
It carries the truth but twisted eyes can`t see it.

Same force that emerged among early Christians is at work today.
We are talking about it in various threads here on forum.

But one thing is sure, various levels of ET`s were visiting earth ,advance ones in Space ships and more advanced or super advanced in spirit or energy form for they don`t need technology for transport.
On the other hand some tech that was displayed was just for showcase for then humans.

Tent and stuff about it was an image of is happening in spirit world so humans with low level conscience could grasp about other world stuff or dimensional existence.

Spirit world is the world or sheer energy and material world uses technology for acts.
Since humanity was deep down in mire they couldn`t grasp (heck, even we today hardly grasping more above them) what is an angel or soul or spirit of God.
What is plasma or magnetism or gravity or higher laws of metaphysics ,mathematics,chemistry and else.
When you arrive on the level of angel ,you are beyond any possible material tech- much beyond star trek or star wars stuff or anything that we ever heard about ET`s and their tech.

Angel level is practically a level where you are your own technology and everything happens as you so please.
You don`t need any extra thing or vehicle or stuff , only thing you need is a will to be somewhere, or will or thought to manifest something and there you are and there you have it.

Beyond angels there are more levels, God knows how many.

We were once at the level very ,very close with angels while still in body. Higher than ET`s we hear about nowadays be it from Andromeda or any other star system anywhere.
Hence we didn`t need almost any tech at all. But since the choice was to plunge deep into duality ,we lost everything and went from a scratch.

We still have a long way to go but it can be quite fast if we decide that in our soul and in connection with God.

And for the final word here this isn`t about was or is Bible right.
It`s beyond evidence for there`s myriad evidences about its validity and whomever doesn`t want to see ,I can`t help it-your choice .

It is always about that personal inner invisible silky connection between you and God. Will you trust God or not... It`s such a fine thread ,most miss it. But happen to be found it`s the most potent connection in the universe - with THE Creator-God-Architect-Love-Life itself.

And wonderful thing is that Creator is ceaselessly calling us to grab that silky thread ... :wave:

Hello Beren,

Blind trust can be very dangerous. I do take calulated risks occationally, but any trust I give, must be earned. That is how I live my life, and it works very nicely for me. And I am happy that your choices work you.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

RedeZra
21st January 2012, 04:58
Hello RedeZra,

It doesn’t matter what the content of the Bible is, many humans in the western world are impressed since their birth, before they even learn to read, or understand its content, that the Bible is something righteous and should be in awe of.

hi Blake

it's a Holy book but it's on it's way to the fiction shelves




Do we have the original Bible?


the Bible is composed of the Old Testament and the New Testament

the OT is translated from the original Hebrew Scripture of the Jews while the NT is written by the Apostles of Jesus





What is the proof of those that say that indeed the content has never been changed?

there is nothing in the New Testament about the total destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD nor the final years and deaths of Paul and Peter and the other Apostles* so all the scrolls that make up the New Testament are most likely written by the Apostles before 70 AD

* except Judas Iscariot and James son of Zebedee (died 44 AD)


then follow the trail from the Apostles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Apostles#The_Twelve_Apostles) to the Apostolic Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Fathers) to the Early Church Fathers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Father)

if anybody tried to change anything someone would speak up




Although, when my children were small, I thought about reading it to them as part of their training in literature, however, I was taken aback by the blood and violence in it, that I tossed it aside, as I didn’t want my children’s minds polluted with such ugliness.

the world has a bloody history which the Bible is reporting but the Book also says who we are and what we have become and what we will be and why we have wars and worry and when and how it will end

so reading the Bible is important education imo






Again I don’t know this as fact, but it has been stated even in the main stream education that the kings of the Middle Ages swore on the bible to start the crusades; and what was the purpose of the crusades? To start war, to retake Jerusalem, kill people that the bible didn’t recognize or have control over?


the Crusades was the Christian response to the Islamic conquests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests)

Islam had been stopped at the border of France and when Muslims came against Constantinopel Christians rallied to defend the city and push Islam back to liberate Jerusalem

the Crusades started good but ended bad and the 4th Crusade even sacked Constantinopel




But can you do what you ask of me? Can you supply proof that the Bible has not changed over the centuries? Do you have proof that it is the word of the one and only Creative God, and not of just mere mortal with their innate need to control others?


proof is a strong word but i have shown evidences which back up the Bible in a couple of threads of mine

it's not easy to provide evidences which back up the Bible when the establishment is aginst it

besides people tend to believe what the establishment tells them to believe

and some who are sceptic seek information from alternative channels

but forget to question the information they recieve there

RedeZra
21st January 2012, 05:04
and again impress this on the mind

men are liars

Exactly!
You do know that the bible was written by man for man. God did not just magically summon pen paper and the thing wrote itself. Divine intervention through the hands of man (maybe)?.


the Bible is there in black and white for men to read

it is the interpretation of men that creates the denominations

still the Bible is there to read in black and white


nothing has changed in the Book but the interpretations of men

Billy
21st January 2012, 11:24
and again impress this on the mind

men are liars

Exactly!
You do know that the bible was written by man for man. God did not just magically summon pen paper and the thing wrote itself. Divine intervention through the hands of man (maybe)?.


the Bible is there in black and white for men to read

it is the interpretation of men that creates the denominations

still the Bible is there to read in black and white


nothing has changed in the Book but the interpretations of men

Red if the translations and interpretations of certain " KEY " words or verses has been misinterpreted or translated by man, does this not change the whole meaning of the message.

This is what the Original post in the video's covers in detail, Biglono is a master of ancient hebrew, and like he said there was NO Hebrew spoken in the times of the Old Testament, It was a form of Aramic, So the original manuscripts were not written in Hebrew,

You did not answer my question in my first reply to you, Have you listened to the video's yet, It would be good to disguss the Biglono's expert literal translations with no mans interpretations involved, do you not think

Peace

778 neighbour of some guy
21st January 2012, 12:57
people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree and i've never heard any sage or saint say so still there is an orchestrated effort trying to convince humanity of it's subservient status to ET so when they arrive with UFOs en masse people will acknowledge and admit second class status for who can argue against the hypothesis of humanity as an ET experiment when ETs and UFOs are standing right in front of us ?




i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to disagree but there is no such thing as hell and if you want to read about UFOs in the bible just check out Ezekiel. In fact if you substitute "ET" for "angel" or "spirit" when you read the bible it will make more sense.

it's fine to disagree and i'm aware of this enterprise to alienate angels and turning spiritual realms into physical planets

people believe this twisting of Scripture because people have become too physical and less spiritual


No information got discarded, and possible existence of angels was not denied. He just said angels and aliens are two completely seperate entities, the man confirms (now)his belief in alien influence based on his current findings by doing a better translation of long existing texts and that is the subject of this talk. Thats all he did.

I editted this post a bit by by adding the translation part to clarify my anwser, hope that helps in clarifying what i got out of the presentation.

778 neighbour of some guy
21st January 2012, 13:40
let me trust Scripture

and i let you trust men to tell you truths

Hello RedeZra,

But how are you so sure that the Bible, rewritten and translated many times is the ultimate word of the Creator God, if there be such a being? To me if you read the Bible, you are reading the words of men. How can it be any other way?



hi Blake


why believe a few men from the alternative media who say the Bible has been lost in translation ?

show the evidence and not accusations only

men are liars


the Bible has been translated and not tampered with

but some modern versions are missing important verses

like how to drive out powerful demons or strongmen


http://bible.cc/matthew/17-21.htm


and again impress this on the mind

men are liars

The men are liars bit is a kind of an unnecesary generalisation. IMHO

Kind regards

665

778 neighbour of some guy
21st January 2012, 15:00
Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

I wrote the Ten commandments

OK, I have no idea what you mean by that, but what I asked: Biglino claims the 10 commandments as they are known today are inaccurate. He has a different translation. I am interested in that translation.

This is what he said.

1.Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.

2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.

3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.

4. Observe the feasts.

5. Reserve all first borns to me.

6. Respect saturday.

7. Every male will have to present himself to me 3 times a year.

8. Do not offer the victims blood on bread.

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.

10. Do not the cook the kids in its mothers blood.

This is how Biglino translated them literally.

Editted for typo`s .

blake
21st January 2012, 16:32
Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

I wrote the Ten commandments

OK, I have no idea what you mean by that, but what I asked: Biglino claims the 10 commandments as they are known today are inaccurate. He has a different translation. I am interested in that translation.

This is what he said.

1.Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.

2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.

3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.

4. Observe the feasts.

5. Reserve all first borns to me.

6. Respect saturday.

7. Every male will have to present himself to me 3 times a year.

8. Do not offer the victims blood on bread.

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.

10. Do not the cook the kids in its mothers blood.

This is how Biglino translated them literally.

Editted for typo`s .

Hello 665 plumber of the beast,

I have not had the time to listen to any videos this week, so many good recommendation and so little time. But perhaps this weekend I can listen to some. From my understanding, this is his translation of the original ten commandments?

If this is the objective and true translation, this is just shocking. What were these ancient people all about? But with sacrifice being such a huge theme in literature througout the centuries, I guess I now understand where the roots of sacrifice came from, if indeed this is authentic. Thanks for posting.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davs

778 neighbour of some guy
21st January 2012, 17:06
Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

I wrote the Ten commandments

OK, I have no idea what you mean by that, but what I asked: Biglino claims the 10 commandments as they are known today are inaccurate. He has a different translation. I am interested in that translation.

This is what he said.

1.Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.

2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.

3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.

4. Observe the feasts.

5. Reserve all first borns to me.

6. Respect saturday.

7. Every male will have to present himself to me 3 times a year.

8. Do not offer the victims blood on bread.

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.

10. Do not the cook the kids in its mothers blood.

This is how Biglino translated them literally.

Editted for typo`s .

Hello 665 plumber of the beast,

I have not had the time to listen to any videos this week, so many good recommendation and so little time. But perhaps this weekend I can listen to some. From my understanding, this is his translation of the original ten commandments?

If this is the objective and true translation, this is just shocking. What were these ancient people all about? But with sacrifice being such a huge theme in literature througout the centuries, I guess I now understand where the roots of sacrifice came from, if indeed this is authentic. Thanks for posting.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davs

Hello Mr Davis,

Its a good watch this presentation, i immidiately wrote down the commandments because i was very interested myself. And thats what i got, the exact things i just wrote and they are indeed quite different from the biblical ones, apparently these were the first ten, if the other commandments in the bible are factual correct i dont know but nevertheless they are in there right now.

The presentation has a strong extraterrestrial connection according to other corrections made from several ancient languages such as greek, latin, hebrew, summerian. The researcher/ translator was very suprised himself when he found these out.

I hope my anwser is of some use to you. You have to hear it for yourself, Mr Biglino seems very knowledgable and confident. He provides some context for these commandments but not in specifics in regards to all of them.

Kind regards

665

RedeZra
21st January 2012, 23:18
Red if the translations and interpretations of certain " KEY " words or verses has been misinterpreted or translated by man, does this not change the whole meaning of the message.

This is what the Original post in the video's covers in detail, Biglono is a master of ancient hebrew, and like he said there was NO Hebrew spoken in the times of the Old Testament, It was a form of Aramic, So the original manuscripts were not written in Hebrew,



the Old Testament times from Abraham to Jesus is 2000 years which is a long time to see the rise and fall of civilisations cultures scripts and languages


has the Old Testament survived this combative climate to give us today a true account of the Old Testament times

or have the Jews not managed to transcribe and preserve the meanings of their religious scrolls down the generations


if anybody has any doubts about the contents of the Ten Commandments then read what Jesus and Paul say about them in the New Testament

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Reference_by_Jesus



they still speak Aramic in Syria

as Abraham was an Aramean (Syrian) living in Urfa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eanl%C4%B1urfa)close to Haran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haran_(biblical_place))and Göbekli Tepe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe)

in the Bible Abraham is chosen by God to cross the Euphrates and enter Canaan and so Abraham is known as the father of the Hebrews or those who crossed the Euphrates


Jacob (Israel) grandson of Abraham crossed the Euphrates back to Syria to find a wife from his relatives

but Jacob had to stay and work for his syriac uncle Laban for many years before he crossed the Euphrates with his first cousins wives back to Canaan

in Genesis 31:47 Jacob and his syriac uncle Laban made a borderpact between them in the form of a 'Heap of Witness' on the ground

which Laban called Jegar Sahadutha (Heap of Witness in Aramic) but Jacob called Galeed (Heap of Witness in Hebrew) on Mt Gilead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilead)


the Hebrews in Canaan adopted the Phoenician script (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_script) which developed into the Paleo-Hebrew script (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Hebrew) which was displaced by the Aramaic script (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_script) because of the rise of the Neo-Assyrian Empire in the region


so the form of the Old Testament the script and alphabet has gone through variations down the generations

but it is an accusation to suggest the meanings of the Old Testament texts have been lost in transcription

and this point of view is certainly not condoned by Jesus

Beren
22nd January 2012, 00:11
Let me state here that we`re talking was ET`s there or not but obviously a gross fact is underestimated at the first place.
God, Christ, Angels and many other beings who were mentioned in Bible ,even man himself - all are extra terrestrial.

All.

So why we have this sudden interest in the theme when from the first letter in the Bible even on modern languages we are informed who we are and from where we came.

We are not from this Earth.

Earth was created as a future habitat or home for humans.
We existed before time as souls in God-Creator -we were living in oneness with God and only later we came here to be in body form.

So what`s the sudden fuss about ET`s ???

Truth and facts were as big as billboard sign but we didn`t saw it...
It seems that we`re concentrating more did physical ET`s came to earth, did they drove crafts,flown with them ,or whatever we might imagine driven by movies.

Answer is yes.

All that exist.

But the point is it`s been written in the book for all this time!!!

And here lies the deception or trap of religion , they never wanted in the first place for people to become literate. 99,9% was illiterate so they couldn`t check what is written in the Bible and scrolls and texts.
"We will tell you what to believe and what God said..." -attitude, has brought us where we are now.

Why Tindale was burned ?
And many more?

Religion didn`t want people who can actually read and see for themselves that they were manipulated and that Bible doesn`t ask all that nonsense from them- Religions want slavery - not Bible.

But as anything can be abused by free will ,like you can use a knife to cut a loaf of bread but you can also cut baby`s head of with it...

All we need to do in this ever continuing search and fascination with other races across the universe is to finally cut the chase and see things as they are without manipulation.
Otherwise we `ll never make any progress.

White will always be white and red -red. We can argue and philosophize until century pass, but white will always be white and red will stay red...

Delight
22nd January 2012, 01:36
After reading the forum for years, I finally registered. Hello, thanks for this place. It has a great deal of information.

The link to Mauro Biglino's subtitled lecture was a great find. About my favorite part was learning that Adam and Eve were not "punished" and sent away from Paradise. They made some choices and the choices changed their circumstances. This fits really well with a sense that even if one were to take the story as religion teaches, leaving the Paradise and learning from a larger reality is beautiful. Something about humans is curious and explorative.

My bias is that I think humanity is absolutely spectacular. Another is that the Universe is an exploration/discovery zone. A third is that despite the arguments, YCYOR (to the extent that one has the prepared capacity to use that technology) is true.

I sincerely respect everything as welcome and appreciated just because it exists because I am not worried its presence will bother me. I am quite convinced that there is a level in the Universal journey where we stop messing in each others business. When we turn to our business, we stop getting the reverberations of our messing with others. We then get to mess in our own business in a new way. As Biglino says, if you re riding a bike you have to pedal (something like that) and outside of the "garden" (zoo? lab?), we have been pedaling in all kinds of streets.

Thanks for the reference to Tyndale, Beren. I did not know that story.

Here is a brief mention

http://www.christianity.com/ChurchHistory/11629961/
That we have the Bible in English owes much to William Tyndale, sometimes called the Father of the English Bible. 90% of the King James Version of the Bible and 75% of the Revised Standard Version are from the translation of the Bible into English made by William Tyndale, yet Tyndale himself was burned at the stake for his work on this day, October 6, 1536.

Back in the fourteenth century, John Wycliffe was the first to make (or at least oversee) an English translation of the Bible, but that was before the invention of the printing press and all copies had to be hand written. Besides, the church had banned the unauthorized translation of the Bible into English in 1408.
Over one hundred years later, however, William Tyndale had a burning desire to make the Bible available to even the common people in England. After studying at Oxford and Cambridge, he joined the household of Sir John Walsh at little Sudbury Manor as tutor to the Walsh children. Walsh was a generous lord of the manor and often entertained the local clergy at his table. Tyndale often added spice to the table conversation as he was confronted with the Biblical ignorance of the priests. At one point Tyndale told a priest, "If God spare my life, ere many years pass, I will cause a boy that driveth the plough shall know more of the Scriptures than thou dost."

With much appreciation, Delight

truthseekerdan
22nd January 2012, 02:44
the Bible is there in black and white for men to read

it is the interpretation of men that creates the denominations

still the Bible is there to read in black and white


nothing has changed in the Book but the interpretations of men

Then why are there so many translation versions of "the book" (at least 25 in English language)?
To say or claim that is to limit yourself, and sadly you know the interpretation of that...

http://spreadeaglepatriot.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ignorance-is-bliss.jpg?w=300&h=300

applejax
22nd January 2012, 04:03
so the form of the Old Testament the script and alphabet has gone through variations down the generations but it is an accusation to suggest the meanings of the Old Testament texts have been lost in transcription and this point of view is certainly not condoned by Jesus

as a non-practicing catholic, i thought about it like this...as a child i read the bible for FUN (fave part of the book? revelations since it was mysterious). i just felt that the bible wasn't complete enough. when i grew older and learned that there were actually gospels omitted from the bible it made me question -- why is it still omitted? what is the reason for this omission?

now thinking back to history class there was the dark ages...during that time there was a lot of oppression. it was primarily you obey God and me (priests/bishops) or else you suffer. there's also the question -- why is the vatican holding all original documents and never releasing it to the public? what are they hiding? are they hiding some gospels because a female became a leader or was it because judas betrayed jesus? whatever the answer is i want to know. that's all i want.

however, i do think that the translations have been lost over a period of time since everyone was trying to write it the way they thought it should sound like. i think beren also brought up a good point as well:


And here lies the deception or trap of religion , they never wanted in the first place for people to become literate. 99,9% was illiterate so they couldn't check what is written in the Bible and scrolls and texts. "We will tell you what to believe and what God said..." -attitude, has brought us where we are now.

the rich were the only ones who were able to afford education at the time; and because the poor people couldn't read, they took whatever was said to them to heart.
===========

in general, i found the videos quite fascinating. it's making me wish i understood italian so that i can hear more of his lectures. as he was going through certain parts of the bible, i felt that what he was telling the audience made more sense (i.e. we have choices, we take the consequences of those choices). thank you for sharing this. i always wondered why the Christian/Muslim/Jewish books were so similar (and also wondered why no one questions this) and reading the information below the video really blew my mind away. i think as humans, we are scared to hear the absolute truth that we would turn a blind eye and cover our ears so that we do not witness it. is it fear that by learning the truth we won't know what's so anymore? i no longer fear it...i just want to know the truth.

RedeZra
22nd January 2012, 05:12
nothing has changed in the Book but the interpretations of men

Then why are there so many translation versions of "the book" (at least 25 in English language)?


because the Bible is big business

pick a verse and compare the versions

and see there is no change in the meaning

RedeZra
22nd January 2012, 05:20
however, i do think that the translations have been lost over a period of time since everyone was trying to write it the way they thought it should sound like. i think beren also brought up a good point as well:


And here lies the deception or trap of religion , they never wanted in the first place for people to become literate. 99,9% was illiterate so they couldn't check what is written in the Bible and scrolls and texts. "We will tell you what to believe and what God said..." -attitude, has brought us where we are now.

the rich were the only ones who were able to afford education at the time; and because the poor people couldn't read, they took whatever was said to them to heart.


remember the Bible was handwritten before Gutenberg and the printing press in 1440

the Catholic Church is conservative and was slow to accept the idea of mass printing unauthorized versions of the Bible

Godiam
22nd January 2012, 06:05
let me trust Scripture

and i let you trust men to tell you truths

Hello RedeZra,

But how are you so sure that the Bible, rewritten and translated many times is the ultimate word of the Creator God, if there be such a being? To me if you read the Bible, you are reading the words of men. How can it be any other way?



hi Blake


why believe a few men from the alternative media who say the Bible has been lost in translation ?

show the evidence and not accusations only

men are liars


the Bible has been translated and not tampered with

but some modern versions are missing important verses

like how to drive out powerful demons or strongmen


http://bible.cc/matthew/17-21.htm


and again impress this on the mind

men are liars

Hi Red...

Does the above statement refer to all males of the human species, or is it generic as in all humans??

Of course this would have to refer to the men who rewrote (translated) the bible too, as the church has always been ran by men!

Can you not see the contradiction in this, but then again there is a history of contradiction in Christianity, isn't there?

HUGS......Godiam

Billy
22nd January 2012, 10:50
You did not answer my question in my first reply to you, Have you listened to the video's yet, It would be good to disguss the Biglono's expert literal translations with no mans interpretations involved, do you not think

Peace

Red, still you do not say whether you have listened to the video's. What do you think of Bigono's literal translation.

Billy
22nd January 2012, 10:55
After reading the forum for years, I finally registered. Hello, thanks for this place. It has a great deal of information.

The link to Mauro Biglino's subtitled lecture was a great find. About my favorite part was learning that Adam and Eve were not "punished" and sent away from Paradise. They made some choices and the choices changed their circumstances. This fits really well with a sense that even if one were to take the story as religion teaches, leaving the Paradise and learning from a larger reality is beautiful. Something about humans is curious and explorative.

My bias is that I think humanity is absolutely spectacular. Another is that the Universe is an exploration/discovery zone. A third is that despite the arguments, YCYOR (to the extent that one has the prepared capacity to use that technology) is true.

I sincerely respect everything as welcome and appreciated just because it exists because I am not worried its presence will bother me. I am quite convinced that there is a level in the Universal journey where we stop messing in each others business. When we turn to our business, we stop getting the reverberations of our messing with others. We then get to mess in our own business in a new way. As Biglino says, if you re riding a bike you have to pedal (something like that) and outside of the "garden" (zoo? lab?), we have been pedaling in all kinds of streets.


With much appreciation, Delight

Welcome to Avalon Delight, nice to have you onboard.
I could not agree with you more.

Blessings

RedeZra
22nd January 2012, 21:04
and again impress this on the mind

men are liars

Hi Red...

Does the above statement refer to all males of the human species, or is it generic as in all humans??

Of course this would have to refer to the men who rewrote (translated) the bible too, as the church has always been ran by men!



hi Godiam

it's just a sweeping statement


the Bible has been translated to several languages but it is a little lie from a few men that the Bible has been lost in translation

and the whole point of this little lie is to sow the seeds of doubt in the minds of men about the Bible

so they can fill your mind with their information confusion or gnosis



i believe the Bible has been preserved as revelations from God and first hand eyewitness accounts and so everything in it is factual and true imo

therefore i acknowledge the reality of God Heaven and Hell angels and demons and the fight between good and evil


i see this fight in black and white like the colors on a chessboard

and as a Grandmaster of the Bible i can anticipate the moves of the white and black king and queen


i trust God and the Bible for truths and not other men nor even my own mind





Red, still you do not say whether you have listened to the video's. What do you think of Bigono's literal translation.

i trust Jesus got the Commandments right in the New Testament which confirms the Commandments in the Old Testament

so i do not trust Biglino

Billy
22nd January 2012, 21:18
Red, still you do not say whether you have listened to the video's. What do you think of Bigono's literal translation.

i trust Jesus got the Commandments right in the New Testament which confirms the Commandments in the Old Testament

so i do not trust Biglino

So you have not listened to the conference video, and you would rather put your faith in MANS interpretation rather than a literal translation, Says it all i suppose.

Flash
22nd January 2012, 21:21
I am only interested in what old books, including the bible, could telll us about human history and happenings. For this, the new translation is quite interesting. Why was it hidden for milleniums? Surely to make sure we were obedients or slaves or remain uneducated or...... very well brain washed, unable to think for oneself.

So i am happy I got this new translation about our past. As for complete anihilation through diving into a book, any book, including the bible, the thora, the kuran, etc. well, good luck with the brainwashing. i wish we could have discussed the actual content of the translation. I do not think it is possible here.

Billy
22nd January 2012, 21:32
I am only interested in what old books, including the bible, could telll us about human history and happenings. For this, the new translation is quite interesting. Why was it hidden for milleniums? Surely to make sure we were obedients or slaves or remain uneducated or...... very well brain washed, unable to think for oneself.

So i am happy I got this new translation about our past. As for complete anihilation through diving into a book, any book, including the bible, the thora, the kuran, etc. well, good luck with the brainwashing. i wish we could have discussed the actual content of the translation. I do not think it is possible here.

Very possible indeed flash,

Can i ask everyone to only diguss the Original Post videos please, If you have not watched the presentation videos and have no interest in the updated literal translations please do not leave comments. many thanks

peace

RedeZra
22nd January 2012, 21:58
Red, still you do not say whether you have listened to the video's. What do you think of Bigono's literal translation.

i trust Jesus got the Commandments right in the New Testament which confirms the Commandments in the Old Testament

so i do not trust Biglino

So you have not listened to the conference video, and you would rather put your faith in MANS interpretation rather than a literal translation, Says it all i suppose.

nobody else but Biglino says it is a 'literal translation'

i put my faith in my interpretation of the Bible as it is translated into English since i also cross-check it with Hebrew words

the New Testament was written in greek and it confirms much of the Hebrew Old Testament

from the references of Jesus and the Apostles who were all Jews


you are just too lazy to cross-check this new information from Biglino and so you copy-paste it to the forum as a new truth

Billy
22nd January 2012, 22:32
Red, still you do not say whether you have listened to the video's. What do you think of Bigono's literal translation.

i trust Jesus got the Commandments right in the New Testament which confirms the Commandments in the Old Testament

so i do not trust Biglino

So you have not listened to the conference video, and you would rather put your faith in MANS interpretation rather than a literal translation, Says it all i suppose.



you are just too lazy to cross-check this new information from Biglino and so you copy-paste it to the forum as a new truth

Here we go again, now you lower yourself to playground name calling, although i have no need to justify myself to you, i will repeat what i said on page one of this thread, I have read the bible many times, as a book, beginning on page one, for more than 40yrs, also the books that have been left out, Enoch for example, Gnostic and dead sea scrolls,

And what Biglino has revealed from his expert literal translations, i agree with, it resonates with my own personal research.

One of my findings in the bible that i am surprised Biglino does not mention, ( maybe he does in his book ) is in Exodus 13- 21-22

20. They set out from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the desert.
21. Yahweh preceded them, by day in a pillar of cloud to show them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could march by day and by night.
22. The pillar of cloud never left its place ahead of the people during the day, nor the pillar of fire during the night.

Red can you explain what the "piller of cloud and fire" is that Yahweh was traveling in.

then we can carry on disgussing the master of Hebrew, Mr, Biglino

Delight
22nd January 2012, 22:33
Welcome to Avalon Delight, nice to have you onboard.
Thanks Billji

When someone has read Biglino's book, I'd like to know if the English translation is worth buying.

Sigh... reading Italian (not to mention source languages) would sure help us all understand more. Telepathy will be even better.

In the mean time ... we will just keep pedaling till we reach the truth... (hehe) Delight

Billy
22nd January 2012, 22:54
Welcome to Avalon Delight, nice to have you onboard.
Thanks Billji

When someone has read Biglino's book, I'd like to know if the English translation is worth buying.

Sigh... reading Italian (not to mention source languages) would sure help us all understand more. Telepathy will be even better.

In the mean time ... we will just keep pedaling till we reach the truth... (hehe) Delight

Haha Delight, I wonder if Adam and Eve are still pedaling away. :bounce:

RedeZra
23rd January 2012, 00:15
you are just too lazy to cross-check this new information from Biglino and so you copy-paste it to the forum as a new truth

Here we go again, now you lower yourself to playground name calling, although i have no need to justify myself to you, i will repeat what i said on page one of this thread, I have read the bible many times, as a book, beginning on page one, for more than 40yrs, also the books that have been left out, Enoch for example, Gnostic and dead sea scrolls,

And what Biglino has revealed from his expert literal translations, i agree with, it resonates with my own personal research.

okay so you are not lazy but feel no need to check and cross-check the so called 'literal translation' from Blingo as it resonates with your own personal research


Jesus was a Jew as was the Apostles who wrote the New Testament in Greek

as you know the Apostles followed Jesus around and they put down in writing what they heard and saw

Jesus is on record in the New Testament Greek mentioning the Commandments of the Hebrew Old Testament




And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " - Luke 4:8

"God [is] Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - John 4:24

"Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy [against] the Spirit will not be forgiven men. - Matthew 12:31

And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. - Mark 2:27

"You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not bear false witness,' 'Do not defraud,' 'Honor your father and your mother.' " - Mark 10:19







Red can you explain what the "piller of cloud and fire" is that Yahweh was traveling in.

then we can carry on disgussing the master of Hebrew, Mr, Biglino




God is Spirit and Fire


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qpI4NZs9CW4/TN1Y1bEC_lI/AAAAAAAAFwI/GuSaYQQvtnY/s1600/PillarofFire.jpg

panopticon
23rd January 2012, 15:51
G'day All,

First, before anything else, I would like to thank billyji for presenting Biglino's work. I have found it very interesting and well worth the time taken to watch and review. I appreciate his statement (trans. pt1, 04:40): 'I do not have a truth that can replace the faith truths.' I view this is important as Biglino is stating facts regards translation from source material and not trying to actively influence the opinion of those of "faith". In other words, my preference for "conversation not conversion" seems important to Biglino in his presentation of translations. A refreshing change from the usual egotistical "this is how it is and everybody else is wrong" that is so often found in these sorts of presentations (though there are a few moments where he wonders from this).

It is good that Biglino continually reminds his audience that the Israelite people gradually formed as a homogeneous group and that the Hebrew language did not exist until it was developed much later (though there are those who challenge this timeline). This is a point that is often forgotten when people discuss the origin of the Tanakh as well as the origins of the Israelite people themselves. While some who adopt a version of the 'Bible' (which comes from the Greek 'Βιβλια' [biblia] meaning collection of texts, or books) as the literal inspired word, others look at the historicity of the times, the validity of the statements made and the translation of the text from its source language/s. Biglino, it appears from this video excerpt, is from the latter group and reminds his audience repeatedly that the Bible is a collection of books written at various times (sometimes retrospectively and at other times as the events took place). It is thought, by many scholars, that some sections were written (as though they were prophetic) after the events had occurred so as to create solidarity within the populace/group against hardship and oppression as well as a way of coping with group loss.

Biglino's presentation illustrates, to a limited extent, how a consonant based written language, like Hebrew, presents unique difficulties in translation. His use of the Sumerian pictograph and relating it to the Hebrew term 'ruach' was very interesting (trans. pt1, 10:20) and I hadn't come across it previously. The point regards Elohim as a plural verb was well presented though I found his argument regards "to cut out of" meaning DNA splicing a bit of a leap. I don't mean it is wrong, just that he has made a leap from ancient Sumerian mythology to Israelite mythology and while I agree with him that the Sumerian stories existed prior to the Israelite ones I am not sure that our present interpretation of 'to cut out of' can be juxtaposed with DNA sampling without careful deconstruction of the semantics of the original (Sumerian) texts. As this is my first introduction to Biglino's work I am unaware as to his motivations for such a leap. I do like the fact that he uses academic translations of the Sumerian as this shows a lack of personal bias in his work. I am not saying that Sitchin's work is inferior or without value, only that if he was using Sitchin's work his arguments would be open to the same criticisms as Sitchin's work.

The reference made to clay as a catalyst for DNA cloning continues the previous statements and again relies heavily on the earlier Sumerian creation mythologies. "God as a potter" might be a symbolic reference to this process however I am cautious to agree with this. I would be surprised if Biglino says that it is the case in his books as that is a very definite statement based on limited evidential support. At best Biglino is saying "look, I was reading these ancient texts in a literal way and using my 21st Century perspective to see if there is anything that stands out as obvious advanced technology, and guess what... I found something I reckon could be!" Beyond that he is possibly "seeing what he wants to see" through the lens of the modern world. I am not saying he is wrong, so no-one get all upity and defensive, only that he seems quite reasonable and his argument has a great deal of "traction" if looked at objectively (or as objectively as I can from within my own perspective).

The section on 'the original sin' (trans. pt2, 08:30) was extremely informative and well presented.

Interesting that Biglino says Moses was a polytheist who made a pact on behalf of his people with one of the many available Elohim. This fits with the time period and other scattered writings I've read. After all, the Israelite were Canaanites who decided to "follow" a specific god and create a distinct culture, social organisation and society in an inhospitable region that was pretty well also a constant war zone. It is interesting that Biglino holds onto the Exodus story (trans. pt3, 03:30) even though there is little evidence (outside of apologist circles who will try to twist anything to be "conclusive evidence") that the "Israelites" were ever held en mass in Egypt. The entire Egypt myth was more than likely created as a homogenising tale to assist in social cohesion and create a heroic past for the group.

I agree with Biglino completely when he states (trans. pt3, 06:30) '..the only certainty we have is that we know that we don't know'.

The section on the Israelites God's lack of concern over 'intentions', in regards to the offerings made by Abel and Cain, was well presented and one I have heard previously, however I was not aware of the section on animal sacrifice where a burnt offering was termed an 'arome enjoyed by the Elohim' (trans. pt3, 11:00) and that this has been re-translated as 'a soothing odour, a sedative odour to the Elohim' (trans. pt3, 11:15). Biglino presents an interesting argument (in regards to the related statements by physicist Pedruccio and Ivan Grippa about an article referring to NASA, Omega Ingredients, Steven Pearce about the production of an essence to reproduce the scent of burnt meat for astronauts) in this section and I will do further research on it as time permits. This was a really interesting section (trans. pt3, 11:00 to pt4 3:40). The whole "glory versus Kevod versus plasm engine" of pt4 was interesting and well presented, as was the section on the ten commandments. His section on the Nephilim was interesting however the 'EFOD' described as a radio communication device seemed a bit of a stretch. The description of the cherubs and Ezekiel's chariot is quite a common interpretation and one many here would be familiar with, however the twist he adds with the statuette was really quite interesting.

I personally have no problem with the short addendum section in which Biglino reflects on Jesus. I have read many authors who question whether there was an historical Jesus. The lack of contemporary reference to him, the errors in the New Testament, the lack of evidence that the so-called apostles wrote their gospels and the fact that if these texts we now call "gospels" were written when their authors were probably in their seventies (using the conservative 70 CE as the written date, though many are thought to have been written well after this) would mean that they all had rather long lives for a bunch of mostly illiterate fishermen and field workers. There are many who will contend that Jesus existed and I am not saying he didn't. Just that there is no evidence outside of the bible itself that he did (other than a single debatable reference in Josephus that most believe was probably added in the 5th Century CE by "well meaning Christians").

In all I enjoyed the material presented. It was mostly well balanced and only had a few brief "I know best" moments. It is obvious that Biglino understands his material and enjoys sharing his knowledge and perspective. I would have liked more references but I guess the book has that information. Very interesting and well worth presenting.

Again, thank you billyji for presenting this video series.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Billy
23rd January 2012, 21:44
Thank you for your well thought and good to read panopticon and thank you for being ontopic, I am just home from a long day at work and will read your comment one more time later, You have come up with some good pointers, When i have a little more time I am also going to listen to all the video's one more time but with notebook and pen in hand this time, This may take a couple of days.

I would also like to thank sepuste who uploaded the Video's on Utube for taking the time and effort in translating the conference into English for us all.

Peace

panopticon
26th January 2012, 13:33
G'day All,

After a brief review this is what I found:

The physicist mentioned is Clarbruno Vedruccio (website: http://www.clarbrunovedruccio.it).
Omega Ingredients Ltd. (http://www.omegaingredients.co.uk/) is an English company 'founded in 2001 by Steve Pearce and Elizabeth Pearce' and are 'award winning creators of specialist natural flavours, fragrances and ingredients for manufacturers of food, beverages and cosmetics products worldwide.'
Ivan Grippa is an Italian UFOlogist (as mentioned in the video).

There were quite a few articles written at the time but the first one appears to be from 16 Oct 2008 in the English paper The Telegraph and titled:
Space Smells Like Fried Steak.

The article is available to read online:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3210415/Space-smells-like-fried-steak.html
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Kimberley
26th January 2012, 23:29
Hello my family of Avalon! I have been in Jamaica for the last 2 weeks and my internet access was very limited...so I have been catching up for the past few days. I want to say that IMHO this information from Biglino is very important.

I shared it with Santos Bonacci, George Kavassilas, and many others and am waiting on their comments... when I get them I will report back.

In the mean time This information from Biglino is not the first time I have had contact with someone that has done literal translation of the bible... so I am wanting to suggest that for me there is much truth in what Biglino is telling us!!!

Much love!

BestLion
26th January 2012, 23:58
Mauro Biglino is a professional translator of ancient Hebrew texts. He was asked by the Vatican or a Vatican book publisher to translate without any theological spin an accurate translation of the Old Testament. He completed 17 books and then was "let go" after he came out with the conclusion (based on his work) that the Old Testament really describes stories of alien encounters and their rule over humans in the past.


Holy Bible Aliens


The literal translations of ancient Jews help us to discover what they didn’t know.

* The Bible clearly says that God dies as all men die.

* The Bible explains that we have been created with DNA of our creators

* The Bible tells us that our creators traveled in flying objects

* the Bible quotes a direct relationship between the UFOs and Sumer, the earth as the keepers of the flying objects

* The Glory of God was in reality… a UFO

*The bible refers to giants and tells where to find their legacy

*The Angels mentioned in the Old Testament, where perceived as spiritual beings, however do not exist.

* The Ten Commandments written on the stone were not those that have been reported.

* the evangelist John has drawn his mystical doctrines from the Hellenistic literature of his time

* and other, as the fact that the Church admits that the Old Testament knew of the aliens .

This is from the last video:

The Bible Didn’t Know About Jesus

What did all theology do? It elaborated the fact that the whole Old Testament is finalized to Jesus’ figure. We know it, don’t we? Starting from the original sin which, as I explain here, is not in there. We take it easy. I explain it according to Amos Luzzatto, one of the most important Jewish biblists .

However, the whole salvation story starts with the nonexistent original sin in order to get Jesus who brings the redemption for everyone. Therefore the whole Old Testament is finalized to the figure of Jesus Christ. Prophecies included, always attributed “a posteriori”, because the authors of the bible never thought about that figure. But what is the most curious thing? The last book of the bible is the book of Wisdom. It’s a book in which it’s said: “God gave me”, says the author, “the whole wisdom of the universe.” All of His knowledge. What is the cur…. And the book of Wisdom doesn’t talk about Jesus Christ. But what is this curiosity? It’s that as they were writing the book of Wisdom Jesus was there! And they finished writing it 10-15 years after Jesus’ death and presumed ascension.

Therefore, the book of Wisdom, that contains all the god’s knowledge and which was written 15 years after Jesus Christ’s death doesn’t know that God’s son has arrived, preached, died, resurrected and brought salvation to the world. Therefore, everyone knows it, but the Bible, which should be the one which prepared everything in order for him to come."

Kimberley
27th January 2012, 00:42
Bestlion thank you for you contribution here on this tread!!! You are right on in my opinion!!!
Much love!!!

BestLion
27th January 2012, 10:29
Actually, as soon as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!



people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree

and i've never heard any sage or saint say so


still there is an orchestrated effort trying to convince humanity of it's subservient status to ET

so when they arrive with UFOs en masse people will acknowledge and admit second class statusi tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell
Another extremely closed minded Christian, that will hold onto his 'bible ' till the end. This man is an expert on old Hebrew. he did accurate translations, and tells about the history of the Bible "I bought the Ebook and read half of it already' The Bible the Christians have today is a series of books that came about in entirety around 900 AD> the real Old Testament doesn't even talk about the coming Jesus and all that stuff, that was put in their to support the Roman Church.
Why don't you open your mind some to what real scholars have to say?
if you read his book, he will say he had no plan to discredit the Bible, and he entered his translations as a pure heart who just wanted accurate translations of old text. And through all this he discovered many flaws in the modern Bible.
I know the Bible well, I was a born again fanatic for a few years of my life. And When I read this book I had along side me "And am still reading it' the King James Bible. And all he says thus far is spot on.
Yes it will challenge your beliefs and your religion! And for this I am sure many will oppose this man. The Vatican already fired him due to that threat.
I am in search for 'truth' and I like to read all side, and if I can find a man who accurately,s. explains the translation of old text then I am all for reading what he has to say.
Yes this read will challenge the very foundation of the 3 monotheistic faiths that came from this bible text. I just challenge you to read with an open heart and have your Bible right beside you when you read the book, and make your own conclusion.

Billy
27th January 2012, 15:04
Thank you Bestloin and i look foreward to your feedback after you have read the book. I have written to Mauro asking a few more questions concerning certain text that i am curious about, maybe they are mentioned in the book.

I have been looking foreward to debating this sort of material for many years now, So i am very delighted that Mauro has this in written form,
I tried to purchase the e-book but i do not have the correct bank card and was not accepted, plus my internet speed is only half a meg and at this moment is even slower because i have gone over my download limit until the end of the month. So downloading the e-book would take forever. I hope it comes out in English in Hardback form.

In the meantime i have listened again to the first video and the introduction he makes i think is important, so i have written it down and will post it later today here.

EDIT:
Please do not encourage negative fundimental Christian diolog by responding to comments left in this thread,As i did as it will only be a distraction towards the dialog we hope to move foreward with.

keep ontopic please

Kimberley
27th January 2012, 15:31
Yes this read will challenge the very foundation of the 3 monotheistic faiths that came from this bible text. I just challenge you to read with an open heart and have your Bible right beside you when you read the book, and make your own conclusion.

Like I said earlier this is such important information...I love information that challenges the belief system...

I too am looking forward to Billy's & Bestlions notes (and anyone else)

Thank you!

Much love!

Beren
27th January 2012, 16:31
Bestlion ,

If you're disappointed in religion and churchianity then I can see your side of the story.
But by excluding Jesus or Isus or Yeshua or whatever is the pronunciation depending of the lingo is like telling that There is no Sun in the sky...
There are more evidence about his life and acts than that there is a proof that you or me are alive and well today...

But if you choose to believe what you believe then it's your call.

For example take the newest translation approved by Vatican or any other religion and what will you find?
You will find that 99% of things written there are not made alive by Vatican or religions in the world today. Very modern Bible as some call it is not aligned with deeds of religions.

Simply they don't practice what is actually written in Bible and actually approved by them...

So silly...
None of the 99% of things religions do today is not required by Bible...yet they boast that they are Christians and do God's will...pathetic.

So don't buy the hype and see with your own eyes the truth among lies that circle around in religions and alternative community.

Second thing to say is that when you listen Jesus he din't said follow the book (Bible). He simply didn't make that call or he didn't stated follw the religions or priesthood's desires...

What he said is to be one with God - CONSCIOUSLY!.

That's hard to beat...
Hence they made all the efforts to diminish those messages of Christ ...

What do we hear today?
Same ol same ol'

But the core message is the same - BE one with God CONSCIOUSLY.

BestLion
27th January 2012, 17:20
If you're disappointed in religion and churchianity then I can see your side of the story.
But by excluding Jesus or Isus or Yeshua or whatever is the pronunciation depending of the lingo is like telling that There is no Sun in the sky...
There are more evidence about his life and acts than that there is a proof that you or me are alive and well today...
Been in the Jesus camp, got the 10% tithing T-shirt also from it. Pleaseeee evidence is of forged history started around 80AD and went full swing around Constantine time.
Jesus is about as real as Papa Smurf
Google also has the other side of the Jesus story..Seems you like to focus on the Jesus story written by Christians.I will not respond further because i will respect this>

Please do not encourage negative fundimental Christian diolog by responding to comments left in this thread,As i did as it will only be a distraction towards the dialog we hope to move foreward with.
I hope to give feedback when i am done with the ebook. Good read thus far!

Billy
27th January 2012, 17:27
Thank you Kimberley, Me also.

Beren as far as i can see Bestlion was not excluding Jesus in his comment, What he was expressing is that the OT was not centred around Jesus, As the Church has had its followers believe. ( personally i think the OT does mention Jesus as i posted earlier) And i believe there are other manuscrips that exist around our planet that confirm the existence of Jesus, But that is not the point of this thread.

The literal translation of the Old Testament is the point of the thread.

So i will post Biglino's Introduction talk on video number one. I have left out the end where he actually begins to speak about individual text translation. Elohim's RUACH which i will post seperately.

Mauro Biglino literal translation of the bible.

The bible is a history book.

Tape number one.

Mauro is a translator of masoretic Hebrew,

The Vatican published 17 volumes from the Old Testement,

Mauro recommends that we do not buy them, ( They are for stoned people)

Mauro splits Jewish words into single components,

The unpublished books the Vatican still hold are Joshua and Judges,

Anything Mauro says, does not go against anyones personal faith,

14mins 17secs
Mauro speaks of things in conferences that are not in the book,

We think of the bible as a book "arranged" a thousand years ago, Not so, It was "Fixed" between the 7th and 9th century AD. 600 t0 800 AD

Out of all the schools which were the Palestinian, Samaritan, Babylonian and Tiberian, It was the family of the Tiberian School,

The family name is Moshed Ben Aaron Ben Asaer that defined the bible as we know it now,

If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.

One problem those gentlemen did not have was the "linguistic question" they never asked themselves.
They were interested in only their, "theological thought"

So the only thing we should know for certain, is that the only certainly we have is, That we know that we do not know

We do not know even how the bible was vocalized when they wrote it.

At this time when most of the biblical events happened above all, The fundamental ones. Hebrew did not even exist.
Moses did not speak Hebrew, When in the desert they did not speak Jewish, During the exodus if you like,

If you want to believe, They spoke sort of semetic language, You can" but i doubt it".
They spoke some sort of Arorite then maybe later they spoke some sort of Aramaic,

Then later after a couple of centuries the Jewish Language began to shape, which is actually a transformed sub-phoenician.

Again the only certainly is that, we know that we don't know,

with this understanding, which gives us a great serentity, we can begin to listen to the text.
but this is an understanding that anyone who works on the bible should have, including the theologists, cabalists,

and all those who say, " I'll tell you how it is, That is why i will not tell you, "how things are"

I will tell you that there is in the Jewish consonant "roots" because that is my job, or better was my job.

My exact duty was to search the original "meaning" of course, by using traditional dictionaries in Jewish and Aramaic etymology edited by Ribbis and published in Israel or in the U.S.




Blessings

I have highlighted the Sub-Pheonician text in red for a reason i will explain later.

Beren
27th January 2012, 18:02
I watched videos from the day one and have to say that I agree what he says for the most part.
I made the point about Jesus since majority of the things about in OT are actually as precursor for him but if one does not believe or sees that what's the point of me arguing here for one who doesn't want to see the other opinion or facts...
Fascinating thing is the passion of condemnation of Christians by people like Bestlion who in turn, aim their attention on supernatural while exclude the real deal...
Supernatural is there but if you believe more in fairies than real man who was there then I will not argue with your choice ,I will just ask to be decent enough to brand others as fundamentalists or as I pick up the energy here-quite dumb because I say my opinion.

I have history with elves and faeire and my family has also so don't get me wrong.
But I have experience with Christ and spirit world for whole my life also and now you can persuade me that I don't have it?


For example many on the forum trashed RedeZra for his belief and things that he post ... that was outrageous for he didn't insult anyone and was temporarily banned for just returning with the same energy ...
But whenever he was defending his view about God or Bible or Jesus he was heavily mocked (as someone tried with me here and now).

So anyone has the right for opinion and respect but you who also have same right actually has not???
Give me a brake!

Anyone who defends Christ's role of the whole thing can be branded as fundamentalist, retrograded , or religious nut but one 's who are at opposite thinking is cool?
What makes your opinion more valid? What makes you smarter person? What's making you different than me?
NO way Hose!
Unless we all see who we are as humanity we will never go forward.

I am not religious but am constantly blamed as such and whenever we talk about Christ here, always there is a person who is ever so ready for mockery... so childish...
So how can I actually talk with someone if they are ready to judge me before the trial?

Is that evolved opinion ?
Is that the society we stream for?
Judging others at a whim?

Nope my friends, nope.

OT as a writing collection of stuff from the past is one very broad text with a lot of explanation.
And it should be noted that God is there very rarely ,majority is about one nation called Israel and relations with others back in the day ,also many other ET beings are fully there and why can't people see that- I don't know.
But it's easier to put all the weight upon God.
Yeah God is to be blamed for all!

It's easier to say this or that but one thing is not easy and that is looking in your own soul and seeing what's going on.

That's the point of texts as OT .
Not blind following the book or scroll or persons, following the spirit thus being eventually one with God.
And if one can't make the connection about that- I can't help it. It's your level of current understanding.

But if your level is lower or higher than mine- don't judge!
When you judge you lower further yourself down into low conscience struggles and ego trips...

Who said what, who's got the better translation, who's got accurate texts and such...when at the end you see that the message is the same everywhere and all the time-BE ONE WITH GOD CONSCIOUSLY!

BestLion
27th January 2012, 18:33
Fascinating thing is the passion of condemnation of Christians by people like Bestlion who in turn, aim their attention on supernatural while exclude the real deal...
Jesus is just as supernatural IMHO as a fairy. Same with his 'miracles" the entire gospel story of Jesus is supernatural, the raising of the dead, miracles, walking on water etc...no different then believing in fairies.You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?
The longer I have been a polytheist , the more amazed I am that I ever believed Christian notions

But I have experience with Christ and spirit world for whole my life also and now you can persuade me that I don't have it?
I spent 3 years of my life in that stuff. i also told people of my personal experience, how Jesus lives in my heart etc..It was all in my imagination because i wanted to believe it so much.
Historians have no evidence of a historic Jesus dating from the early first century, even though many contemporary writers documented the era in great detail. Philo of Alexandria, for example, wrote in depth about early first-century Palestine, naming other self-proclaimed messiahs, yet never once mentioning a man named Jesus. Many other contemporary writers covered that era, yet there is not a single mention of any existence, deeds, or words of a man named Jesus.

Anyone who defends Christ's role of the whole thing can be branded as fundamentalist,
Yes, because it is a religion! And becomes a way of life to people of which they develop social norms around.

For example many on the forum trashed RedeZra for his belief and things that he post ... that was outrageous for he didn't insult anyone and was temporarily banned for just returning with the same energy ...
He is on a mission to convert fellow Avilonians. And he is extremely closed minded! And does NOT ever look into the evidence against his god Elohim for the others perspective.

But whenever he was defending his view about God or Bible or Jesus he was heavily mocked
You must understand many of us were raised in the church, became Christians ..and left. Thus we've seen this religion from the inside out. And I personally studied the Bible very much I probably know it better then your local pastor. So talking to former Christians about your god, and about your personal experience is looked upon to us as naive, unread ( ie not studying the true history, doctrine, roots etc) , and well sort of childlike.

(as someone tried with me here and now).
I was tring to be respectful and hold back but you had to post this post..And I didnt flame you..but flamed your suppose god Jesus as just as real as Papa Smurf.
Here is a few things to think about>
*The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?
* It's not easy to change world views. Faith has its own momentum and belief is comfortable. To restructure reality is traumatic and scary. That is why many intelligent people continue to believe: unbelief is an unknown.
* To think that the ruler of the universe will run to my assistance and bend the laws of nature for me is the height of arrogance. That implies that everyone else (such as the opposing football team, driver, student, parent) is de-selected, unfavored by God, and that I am special, above it all.

Billy
27th January 2012, 18:48
Ok Guys if this senario is going to keep raising its ugly head can we at least agree to disagree on the Jesus topic, as it is a great distraction from the Original Post,
I would like to add that just because i ask gently for everyone to seperate personal beliefs from the Literal Translation does not mean that i do not have a beautiful relationship with Jesus and i am not a Christian, Remembering that Jesus was also Never a Christian. I have also had the great honour of experiencing Jesus in a most wonderful spiritual happening in my life.

I would never dream of punting or pushing my belief system upon another, each to their own as they say, I respect all belief systems whether i agree or not, Redezra had the habit of being off topic on threads, That is a lesson for him to learn,

So now can we move foreward without saying " I know how it is" respecting each others belief systems which we have all created for ourselves and disguss the LITERAL TRANSLATION of Mauro Biglino

Peace and Blessed Be

Beren
27th January 2012, 19:28
Bestlion,
I see that you write about religious things and actual church doings including doctrine of sin.
But as I said I am not religious and not talking about churchianity.
You miss the point here.
You are disappointed with them thus blame Christ as non existing person who is fault for their deeds.
Also you fluctuate between wanting and demanding facts from official sources and on the another hand
believing in supernatural as you stated as a reason why you came to the forum.

Can you tell me what do you want?

You can't make a point for your opinions as facts and on other opinions you label them as primitive or untrue -demanding facts...

With that attitude how can you expect reasoning with anyone ?

OP sorry for this delay in thread but it was necessary to be done otherwise we are not able to follow the reasoning within the thread and its message.
Literal translation of OT is one fascinating thing.

Carries desription of other beings culture and their acts.
And it is not that God dies . ET's died and went to and fro in their acts upon Earth though people then called them God or Gods...

Billy
27th January 2012, 19:55
OP sorry for this delay in thread but it was necessary to be done otherwise we are not able to follow the reasoning within the thread and its message.
Literal translation of OT is one fascinating thing.

Carries desription of other beings culture and their acts.
And it is not that God dies . ET's died and went to and fro in their acts upon Earth though people then called them God or Gods...

Well Ok, Get it off yer chest. we can carry on after the break. :grouphug:

peace

BestLion
27th January 2012, 20:40
Ok i want to make a point in the Ebook I am reading. He seems to think that Elohim is a sort of Annunaki type. He links the Jewish god-gods to the Sumerian gods. one thing he says is that these gods DIE..but live longer.
So more less he says Elohim himself will die someday..or maybe already has died. He makes points in translations of Hebrew where god himself claims he will not be eternal. Now from what I have read about the Annunaki it is claimed by many they live a life range from 10,000-17,000 years..So i assume Elohim at the time of the Bible was older then Most Annunaki..and his life may have ended.
He also makes a point over and over in the book, that the word Elohim is plural. And is sometime singular but most often when talked of is in the plural context..thus it was not only Elohim. Also he thinks at differnt times it was not Elohim..but the Bible mistranslated saying it was him, but in fact it was other Annunaki gods. Fascinating reading thus far.

Billy
27th January 2012, 21:03
Ok i want to make a point in the Ebook I am reading. He seems to think that Elohim is a sort of Annunaki type. He links the Jewish god-gods to the Sumerian gods. one thing he says is that these gods DIE..but live longer.
So more less he says Elohim himself will die someday..or maybe already has died. He makes points in translations of Hebrew where god himself claims he will not be eternal. Now from what I have read about the Annunaki it is claimed by many they live a life range from 10,000-17,000 years..So i assume Elohim at the time of the Bible was older then Most Annunaki..and his life may have ended.
He also makes a point over and over in the book, that the word Elohim is plural. And is sometime singular but most often when talked of is in the plural context..thus it was not only Elohim. Also he thinks at differnt times it was not Elohim..but the Bible mistranslated saying it was him, but in fact it was other Annunaki gods. Fascinating reading thus far.

Yes many Scholars and people who can read Hebrew have said that the Elohim is plural meaning GODS. Now in the book does he say that Elohim will die or the God of Israel will die ( Yahwey) one day. ??

To me the Annunaki are a part of many different civilizations who seeded different groups (tribes) of humanity. 24 universal civilations that seeded 12tribes. One tribe being the Israelites. The name i have for the civilization that seeded the Hebrews is Hoova, but I think that Hoova are connected to the Annunaki, As is Yahwey. But i am not saying that this is a negative. Not at all. Just so called Gods growing up and learning just like us. As above so below :peace:

BestLion
27th January 2012, 21:14
Yes many Scholars and people who can read Hebrew have said that the Elohim is plural meaning GODS. Now in the book does he say that Elohim will die or the God of Israel will die ( Yahwey) one day. ??
Well the point he wanted to get across was that the modern Bible puts god all the time in the singular. And also in many cases in the singular, but the original Hebrew this is not so.As he explains in the Exodus the gos were plural, but the Bible says it is a singular 1 god.
He mentions that these god have stated via passages that they are not immortals.


To me the Annunaki are a part of many different civilizations who seeded different groups (tribes) of humanity. 24 universal civilations that seeded 12tribes.
Im on the DNA stuff now, but this seems his imput on it, he uses stuff like where the bible talks about clay as it really referring to DNA.


One tribe being the Israelites. The name i have for the civilization that seeded the Hebrews is Hoova, but I think that Hoova are connected to the Annunaki, As is Yahwey. But i am not saying that this is a negative. Not at all. Just Gods growing up. As above so below
Seems kind of what he is saying also. And the Israelites where the Annunakis chosen people.Mainly from what I gather cause they made a convent with these gods. More less they kissed these gods butts. In a sort of obedient way. They would kill animals for these gods, do sacrifices etc..
BTW the book is deep reading I had to go back and read many things again. And if you buy on the site it will change to English language it was like 11 bucks.
Anyway not your conventional Bible reading thats for sure! Makes we question lots of stuff. And I'm agnostic pagan.

Billy
27th January 2012, 21:56
Yes many Scholars and people who can read Hebrew have said that the Elohim is plural meaning GODS. Now in the book does he say that Elohim will die or the God of Israel will die ( Yahwey) one day. ??
Well the point he wanted to get across was that the modern Bible puts god all the time in the singular. And also in many cases in the singular, but the original Hebrew this is not so.As he explains in the Exodus the gos were plural, but the Bible says it is a singular 1 god.
He mentions that these god have stated via passages that they are not immortals.


To me the Annunaki are a part of many different civilizations who seeded different groups (tribes) of humanity. 24 universal civilations that seeded 12tribes.
Im on the DNA stuff now, but this seems his imput on it, he uses stuff like where the bible talks about clay as it really referring to DNA.


One tribe being the Israelites. The name i have for the civilization that seeded the Hebrews is Hoova, but I think that Hoova are connected to the Annunaki, As is Yahwey. But i am not saying that this is a negative. Not at all. Just Gods growing up. As above so below
Seems kind of what he is saying also. And the Israelites where the Annunakis chosen people.Mainly from what I gather cause they made a convent with these gods. More less they kissed these gods butts. In a sort of obedient way. They would kill animals for these gods, do sacrifices etc..
BTW the book is deep reading I had to go back and read many things again. And if you buy on the site it will change to English language it was like 11 bucks.
Anyway not your conventional Bible reading thats for sure! Makes we question lots of stuff. And I'm agnostic pagan.

Hmmm, Personaly i would say " ONE " of the Elohim or Annunaki Gods, (That is Yahwey) chose Israel for some sort of mission and wanted to make a covenant with them, Israel agreed to this covenant so they made a "chioce" to do a deal with one of the many Gods. They made an Oath together.

As i said before, I tried to buy the e-book but my bank card was not among the choices given. plus my internet connection does not allow downloads until the end of the month. I am in a very rural area with half a meg speed when i am within my download limit on a good day. But i will purchase it when i can download it.

truthseekerdan
27th January 2012, 22:11
Jesus is just as supernatural IMHO as a fairy...


Now this is what the other 'extreme' wants one to believe...

The fact is that there was a 'special beign' called Yeshua Ben Yosef (Jeshua son of Joseph) a.k.a. The Nazarene (http://www.thenazareneway.com/) that lived in that time period, and was a powerful spiritual example (not religious) for the humanity to follow and become. If one did not hear about Dolores Cannon (http://dolorescannon.com/) (click name for info), I can't recommend more than to read her books: Jesus And The Essenes (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Essenes-Dolores-Cannon/dp/1886940088) and They Walked With Jesus (http://www.amazon.com/They-Walked-Jesus-Experiences-Christ/dp/1886940096/ref=pd_vtp_b_1/177-5356781-7355520), to find some unknown truths about the person that churchianity calls the only "Son of God".


Much Love & Wisdom

Billy
27th January 2012, 22:36
Jesus is just as supernatural IMHO as a fairy...


Now this is what the other 'extreme' wants one to believe...

The fact is that there was a 'special beign' called Yeshua Ben Yosef (Jeshua son of Joseph) a.k.a. The Nazarene (http://www.thenazareneway.com/) that lived in that time period, and was a powerful spiritual example (not religious) for the humanity to follow and become. If one did not hear about Dolores Cannon (http://dolorescannon.com/) (click name for info), I can't recommend more than to read her books: Jesus And The Essenes (http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Essenes-Dolores-Cannon/dp/1886940088) and They Walked With Jesus (http://www.amazon.com/They-Walked-Jesus-Experiences-Christ/dp/1886940096/ref=pd_vtp_b_1/177-5356781-7355520), to find some unknown truths about the person that churchianity calls the only "Son of God".


Much Love & Wisdom

Ok i will throw in my tupence worth here, For more documentation read up Jesus's lost years and Nicola Notivitch, Also A book i read in India titled
" Jesus lived in India", Manuscripts of Jesus's existence do exist. Off topic but there you go.

RedeZra
27th January 2012, 22:49
Biglino wants to translate the very second verse in the Bible as UFO hovering over the waters and so he magically equates ruwach with what he says is a Sumerian pictogram looking like a UFO



The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit [ruwach] of God [elohiym] was hovering over the face of the waters. - Genesis 1:2

does a Sumerian UFO pictogram even exist ?


besides why would the Israelites copy texts from a South Mesopotamian culture like Sumer when they first lived in Egypt according to the Bible before establishing themselves in Canaan among the Philistines and Phonecians


ruwach is a term used over 300 times in the Hebrew Bible and in context with the specific verse ruwach represents wind spirit breath mind smell

but when elohiym which is a term representing divinities is together with ruwach then the meaning is an activity of divinity


the Bible speaks of divinities or ben elohiym who fell from grace but they are finite spirits

and not the Great spirit or True Triune God the Creator

mojo
27th January 2012, 22:59
Hi RedeZra,
I appreciate your depth of knowledge on the subject, may I ask your opinions about UFO's in general as they relate to the Bible?

Edit: I wanted to copy what billyji posted earlier in relation to what I was asking.


20. They set out from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the desert.
21. Yahweh preceded them, by day in a pillar of cloud to show them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could march by day and by night.
22. The pillar of cloud never left its place ahead of the people during the day, nor the pillar of fire during the night.

Red can you explain what the "piller of cloud and fire" is that Yahweh was traveling in.

Tangri
27th January 2012, 23:13
Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

I wrote the Ten commandments

Maybe you meant read

Billy
27th January 2012, 23:43
Biglino wants to translate the very second verse in the Bible as UFO hovering over the waters and so he magically equates ruwach with what he says is a Sumerian pictogram looking like a UFO

does a Sumerian UFO pictogram even exist ?


besides why would the Israelites copy texts from a South Mesopotamian culture like Sumer when they first lived in Egypt according to the Bible before establishing themselves in Canaan among the Philistines and Phonecians


ruwach is a term used over 300 times in the Hebrew Bible and in context with the specific verse ruwach represents wind spirit breath mind smell

but when elohiym which is a term representing divinities is together with ruwach then the meaning is an activity of divinity


the Bible speaks of divinities or ben elohiym who fell from grace but they are finite spirits

and not the Great spirit or True Triune God the Creator

Hi Red, I am sure if you research you can find the pictogram of the RUACH that Mauro shares in the video, Mauro is quite approachable, so you could contact him on his website here, http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/?page_id=2

The Israelites were Taken to Egypt according to the OT. And their God was the same God as the sumarians.

Yes the activity was motion or travelling,

Yes Ben Elohim = Sons of Elohim = The fallen ones. Read the book of Enoch if you have not already. and yes they were finite like their parents. And you are correct, Not the creator.

Thank you for being ontopic Red. much appreciated

Billy
27th January 2012, 23:48
Hi RedeZra,
I appreciate your depth of knowledge on the subject, may I ask your opinions about UFO's in general as they relate to the Bible?

Edit: I wanted to copy what billyji posted earlier in relation to what I was asking.


20. They set out from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the desert.
21. Yahweh preceded them, by day in a pillar of cloud to show them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could march by day and by night.
22. The pillar of cloud never left its place ahead of the people during the day, nor the pillar of fire during the night.

Red can you explain what the "piller of cloud and fire" is that Yahweh was traveling in.


Glad you mentioned this The One, I asked Mauro today concerning Exodus 13, 20 and he replied saying this. I also asked a little more

Quote: @Billy: First of all thank you so much for your words!
According to the translations, Exodus 13,21-22 point out one of the aspects with which the RUACH manifested himself in the daytime and at night
The parallelism with Luca 9.28-36 is probably correct and it also connect him to the Actions of the Apostles 1.9-11.

I really appreciate you interest, keep it going!

RedeZra
28th January 2012, 00:55
Hi RedeZra,
I appreciate your depth of knowledge on the subject, may I ask your opinions about UFO's in general as they relate to the Bible?

Edit: I wanted to copy what billyji posted earlier in relation to what I was asking.


20. They set out from Succoth and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the desert.
21. Yahweh preceded them, by day in a pillar of cloud to show them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could march by day and by night.
22. The pillar of cloud never left its place ahead of the people during the day, nor the pillar of fire during the night.

Red can you explain what the "piller of cloud and fire" is that Yahweh was traveling in.



hi Mojo

UFO is at least a technology made operational during Nazi Germany



http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu88/elelavi/HaunebuII.jpg?t=1327712799


i think this technology went underground in secret bases in the US and perhaps elsewhere


legend is that female mediums from the Vril society made contact with entities through channelings and automatic writings explaining how to make them

if this is true then who are these entities and do they have UFOs as well ?


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this pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night is imo a portion of the Spirit of God and not a UFO that Yahweh was traveling in

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally&p=409028&viewfull=1#post409028


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Do you know what Biglino translated as the 10 commandments?

I wrote the Ten commandments

Maybe you meant read

yes i got a little carried away

BestLion
28th January 2012, 09:10
besides why would the Israelites copy texts from a South Mesopotamian culture like Sumer when they first lived in Egypt according to the Bible before establishing themselves in Canaan among the Philistines and Phonecians
Good point. So let me go into this from what Biglino interpreted.
He seems to think that these gods..had special races or tribes they were fond of. The Sumerians and Isrealites for example. So they meet the Isrealites , and something worked out between these gods and this tribe. it could have been both ways, that this tribe was a special tribe the Annunaki liked due to a possible DNA mix the Annunaki did on them, thus making them 'gods chosen people' sort of like a coach on a football team has his favorite player. He also goes on to show that these gods found the Jews..Like in the account of Moses. After this time, the god made a pact with this tribe, and if the pact was mutual they would help and protect this tribe. So how is the text of the Jewish Bible similar to that of Sumeria? Well it was the same gods and people who founded both. Remember these gods could live 10,000 years.
So the god Enlil in Sumeria is likely via translation the same god Elohim. He makes a point that to interperate the name Elohim is very difficult because at the time of Moses they did not speak Hebrew but likely..Akkadian which displaced Sumerian as the lingua franca in the Bronze Age. So put some piece of the puzzle together you will see a CLEAR connection of the tribes of the Jews and the Sumerians....So the Semitic tribes went down into Egypt at some point and remained there for a long time within the same geographic region and grouped together.
So the Jews were a sort of lost tribe of Sumeria that ended up in Egypt and the god found them and assisted them. It is the same gods we see in Sumeria from the Sumerian text. Hope that helps to explain some.

Beren
28th January 2012, 10:20
Abraham as father of Hebrew nation has exiled from Ur thus his was out of Sumerian culture.
But it was not written that he worshiped ET's or Annunaki's.

I don't know why people are so fond of Sitchin when he was known as a guy who did't made anything , just copy pasted his works and claims.
Also we are looking upon those events as they were happening like 50 years ago.

People who wrote those scrolls that became part of Bible were having quite different understanding of any other beings different from them.
How would an ancient guy explain what he just saw upon the sky flying?
Or how would he explain about the happening before him except to describe it as pillar of fire?

What we would say today if we are able to be teleported in those years ?

For example for common man today if you don't explain it in layman term he will lose you .
After the second sentence , same was in ancient time or even worse.

Universal physics is the high lingo of Creation.

We're stumbling upon or discovering stuff that are there for eons ...

Names such as Anu or Enki or Enlil or Ra or Nephilim or any other are just that- names.
Names whom people gave to beings they encountered.

We actually do not know their name.
Every name carries a meaning (say for example my name in Serbian wouldn't mean anything for you all and for many Serbs too but if my countrymen were diligent to grasp at meaning they could tell what my name means in Serbian though they will never consciously think about the meaning when calling me or talking about me), same is with anyone else through history be it ET or a man.

Name YHWH means I AM, or I will become what I will become or I will be whatever I will be or I am who I am.
It doesn't matter the literal pick but it does matter what that name means and who is the one who carries it.

It's the name of God or Creator ,not an ET. But in the same time God is an ET since God is not material - it's a spirit.
And also in the same time(divine dichotomy) God is everywhere in material universe for it's his works and his flesh.

We are also as souls part of God's spirit and our bodies parts of God's flesh.

YHWH name was so often misused in Bible and in history by -whom?
Man.

YHWH doesn't stand as a nickname or the name of God it's the meaning or explanation in short four Hebrew signs of what was told them what God is...
But as people forget they forget even the meaning behind the words...

So it isn't about is God YHWH , it is about what or who God is.
It's all powerful spirit which is beyond any other existence in both spirit world and material world , God encompasses all.

But also it should be noted that there were spirits who posed as God and people believed them...

Billy
28th January 2012, 12:11
I have finished copying the text from Video one, When Mauro begins to translate individual words, He begins with the Elohim's RUACH.

Enjoy.
Translation of RUACH lets do this one, Lets ride the Elohim's RUACH, That is WIND, the one that is in the bible is translated as "Spirit of God" or Gods Spirit, which indicates the typical flying of rapacious birds, when they allow themselves to be "carried" by the wind, "without" moving their wings.(hovering)

That is the Elohim's RUACH. Which the sumarians depicted that way was something that at the beginning, hovered on water without moving it's wings.


That means in Hebrew we have a description of what instead Sumarians had depicted Graphically, No doubt about that Fact that they were talking of the same thing.


But the term RUACH does not mean spirit, It means Wind, or anything flying in the air quickly and causing a wind.

The later theological elaboration, when Gods figure was created led to attatching to RUACH the meaning of spirit.
But actually this is not there, I will do one thing, I will draw a sketch and pass it around, of how the RUACH was presented in the Sumerian pictograms. Because the word is not Jewish but of Sumarian origin.

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That is the pictogram made by those that saw the first RUACH, Which is where the RUACH of the Hebrews came from,
So this is a thing that we do not know what it is. Lets say we do not know it, so we can take it easy, but which decidedly "hovers on water" no doubt about that.

As we do not know what it is, We will name it by borrowing the name directly from the Vatican, So that we don't go wrong. :-).

If you read the last edition of " Lexican Recentis Latinitatis" published by the "Libreria Editrice Vaticana" where they insert the Latin neologisms you will find the Vatican inserted, "Navis Sideralis" which means " STARSHIP"

They also inserted "Aeria Navis" which means "AIRSHIP"

They inserted " Aereus Viator" which means " ASTRANAUT"

And they inserted an Acronym. "R.I.V" which means " Res Inexplicatae Volantes" which means "UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT"
Unknown thing that hovers on water.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and Elohim's RUACH (or Gods Spirit) Hovered on the water.
Only RUACH means that stuff. For Hovering was used as a participle which is Merahphet.

Billyji Adding.
I use the Jerlusalem bible myself, This was translated from Hebrew to English in 1966. there were 27 translators involved. And one of the translators is J.R.R Tolkien who was an expert in the Hebrew Language. and has fantastic footnotes and cross references.

This is what is written in Gen1.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was without formless void. there was darkness over the deep. And GODS SPIRIT HOVERED OVER THE WATERS

in the footnotes the interpretation says of the word "hovering" Like a bird "HANGING" in the air over its young in the nest. just to confirm what Mauro has said.

Blessings

778 neighbour of some guy
28th January 2012, 12:45
That pictogram sold me on the story, i am by no means an expert on the christian religion and have very little knowledge of whats exactly in the bible, but his interpretation is absolutely stunning if correct. (which i think it is).

Just added some extragalactic flash to the Yeshua fellow, he looks a partydude now, just because i dont like his sufferstory one bit, kind of a bummer for me. ( just in case i'll just say i did the same to Buddha, Krishna and some others guys too, no disrespect intended)

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Almost looks like of the silhouet of something the Cylons fly(just a random brainf@rt on my part). ( Yes i know its just SciFi but anyway its the silhouet thing that struck a chord with me.)

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The commandments also amazed me because of its possible implications.

1. Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.
(this will screw up our painstakingly planned social and genetics experiments)

2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.
(Another genepool thing)

3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.
(Dont know what to make of this one)

4. Observe the feasts.
(Who`s feasts and why).

5.Reserve all first borns to me.
( Who's me and why, for what purpose, training, education, look for genetic mistakes to improve on the next time?)

6.Respect Saturday.
( their day off of course, everybody needs some leisure time to regenerate and maybe or most likely have some fun.)

7.Every male will have to present himself to me three times a year.
( medical checkups, bloodsamples, keeping an eye on the progress of the experiments,etc.)

8.Do not offer the victims blood on bread.
( protein and yeast a bad mix, yeast is not always good for the body as i understand it, fungiwise)

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.
(First purest hybrid mix ? Want to watch their development closely, root out the failures?)

10. Do not cook the kids in its mothers blood.
( i think i understand, a food law for keeping or storing items separately or something like that)


I am just saying what i think this may mean, but some things sound like keeping an eye on the new project.

Billy
28th January 2012, 13:34
Abraham as father of Hebrew nation has exiled from Ur thus his was out of Sumerian culture.
But it was not written that he worshiped ET's or Annunaki's.

I don't know why people are so fond of Sitchin when he was known as a guy who did't made anything ,

Names such as Anu or Enki or Enlil or Ra or Nephilim or any other are just that- names.


Name YHWH means I AM, or I will become what I will become or I will be whatever I will be or I am who I am.

It's the name of God or Creator ,not an ET. But in the same time God is an ET since God is not material - it's a spirit.

So it isn't about is God YHWH , it is about what or who God is.

But also it should be noted that there were spirits who posed as God and people believed them...

Firstly i am not sure why you bring Stitchin into this. Mauro states that he has not used any of Stitchin's translations, Stitchin is not the only one who has translated the Sumarian Tablets. Personally i have never read any of stitchin's research. I use my own research.

You are correct, it does not say in the bible that Abraham (Abram), worshiped an ET or the Annunaki, It says he worshiped Yahwey. and yes WHO IS YAHWEY.

It seems that Yahwey is not the creator of all the universes, of all that is. Not creator GOD. This is why in Islam God connot be named. Allah is the one that cannot be named.

Yahwey is one of the Elohim Gods (plural) And you are correct again, they are just names, but many of the names of GODS in ancient texts such as Vedic,Hebrew, Egyptian, Greek, Mayan. They have different names but are the same beings in different cultures.

If Yahwey is pure spirit GOd, how come he travelled around in a craft, How did Adam and Eve HEAR him coming into the garden. How did this spirit manage to guide and protect Israel through the desert proceding before them in a RUACH. how did Moses SEE and speak with him on the mount. Why did this pure loving spirit threaten his followers with death if they did not toe the line. He had anger, was a Jealous. Commited genocide to whole cities Men, woman and children, because of a few bad apples in the basket.

This is not the deeds of a All knowing all loving God, creator of all that is.

This is the deeds of a being who announced he was God but had loads of issues. Still had a learning process to journey through.

I say again, i am not saying Yahwey is a negative entity, He is just like you and i. As above so below.

When Jesus said in John 8.42 speaking to the pharisees.
Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
(what did he mean)

Again
john 8.44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Who is the Father of the Pharisees that Jesus was speaking off. Who is the God of the Pharisees.

Just throwing this out there.

Peace

BestLion
28th January 2012, 13:35
Abraham as father of Hebrew nation has exiled from Ur thus his was out of Sumerian culture.
But it was not written that he worshiped ET's or Annunaki's.
Yes Ur was Sumeria..So the language would be as he said Akkadian. And Hebrew came later..This is why he says it is hard to get a good translation from the books of Moses..Moses more then likely spoke Akkadian.
Genesis does describe Abraham "as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him . Who do you assume these men are?

Kimberley
28th January 2012, 15:41
Fun thread thank you all for your research I am enjoying reading it...I have reading the e-book on my "to do List" ... I thought this graphic would bring a smile to your face....

Much love!

Billy
28th January 2012, 15:49
Nice one Kimberley, Yip been there and back, and survived :thumb:

Billy
28th January 2012, 17:43
That pictogram sold me on the story, i am by no means an expert on the christian religion and have very little knowledge of whats exactly in the bible, but his interpretation is absolutely stunning if correct. (which i think it is).

The commandments also amazed me because of its possible implications.

1. Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.
(this will screw up our painstakingly planned social and genetics experiments)

2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.
(Another genepool thing)

3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.
(Dont know what to make of this one)

4. Observe the feasts.
(Who`s feasts and why).

5.Reserve all first borns to me.
( Who's me and why, for what purpose, training, education, look for genetic mistakes to improve on the next time?)

6.Respect Saturday.
( their day off of course, everybody needs some leisure time to regenerate and maybe or most likely have some fun.)

7.Every male will have to present himself to me three times a year.
( medical checkups, bloodsamples, keeping an eye on the progress of the experiments,etc.)

8.Do not offer the victims blood on bread.
( protein and yeast a bad mix, yeast is not always good for the body as i understand it, fungiwise)

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.
(First purest hybrid mix ? Want to watch their development closely, root out the failures?)

10. Do not cook the kids in its mothers blood.
( i think i understand, a food law for keeping or storing items separately or something like that)


I am just saying what i think this may mean, but some things sound like keeping an eye on the new project.

1. Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.
(this will screw up our painstakingly planned social and genetics experiments)

2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.
(Another genepool thing)
Yip. Keep the tribe on the pure bloodline

3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.
(Dont know what to make of this one)
I would say only use pure metals as a base for a divinities. (Statues) Gold or silver and not metals that are fused together after melting
4. Observe the feasts.
(Who`s feasts and why).
Feast days were ceremonial days. For example the day Moses met Yahwey on the mount and given the stone tablets would have been a feast day from then on.

5.Reserve all first borns to me.
( Who's me and why, for what purpose, training, education, look for genetic mistakes to improve on the next time?)
The first born sons were Usually prepared for the Priesthood. Catholics still done this up to just a few years ago. Until the youth woke up and said, On yer bike

6.Respect Saturday.
( their day off of course, everybody needs some leisure time to regenerate and maybe or most likely have some fun.)
Yip and prepare all food the day before.

7.Every male will have to present himself to me three times a year.
( medical checkups, bloodsamples, keeping an eye on the progress of the experiments,etc.)
More a worship thing and obedience, A bit like Muslims having to do a pilgrimage to Mecca at least ones in their life. Remembering whos boss.

8.Do not offer the victims blood on bread.
( protein and yeast a bad mix, yeast is not always good for the body as i understand it, fungiwise)
And it would get all soggy :-)

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.
(First purest hybrid mix ? Want to watch their development closely, root out the failures?)

10. Do not cook the kids in its mothers blood.
( i think i understand, a food law for keeping or storing items separately or something like that)
I am glad they did not call children Kids in those days :brushteeth:

BestLion
28th January 2012, 17:58
1. Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.
(this will screw up our painstakingly planned social and genetics experiments)
Well in the Bible the ancient Jews were VERY racist..they killed many people under this gods command.
Yeah in the book seems it is about DNA genetics.
This at the time was not the only civilization on earth..we had Celts, Hittites, Babylonians, Egyptians etc..
And did this same race 'Annunaki or Elohims visit others? Likely


2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.
(Another genepool thing)
Yip. Keep the tribe on the pure bloodline
Yes they didnt want them to racially mix


3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.
(Dont know what to make of this one)
I would say only use pure metals as a base for a divinities. (Statues) Gold or silver and not metals that are fused together after melting
They didnt want them to gain the knowledge of the gods. Always wanted a god - servant race.


4. Observe the feasts.
(Who`s feasts and why).
Feast days were ceremonial days. For example the day Moses met Yahwey on the mount and given the stone tablets would have been a feast day from then on.

This goes back to the cosmos..the stars.
Its of feast on certain days on certain alignments

5.Reserve all first borns to me.
( Who's me and why, for what purpose, training, education, look for genetic mistakes to improve on the next time?)
The first born sons were Usually prepared for the Priesthood. Catholics still done this up to just a few years ago. Until the youth woke up and said, On yer bike

Has nothing to do with children or sex or bad stuff. Its all about passing down wisdom.They always wanted to be gods. They are not a benevolent race. You will clearly see this in his book.

6.Respect Saturday.
( their day off of course, everybody needs some leisure time to regenerate and maybe or most likely have some fun.)
Yip and prepare all food the day before.

They gave them their DNA.. and in man-annunaki work every day will wear..thus a day of rest..this was given via wisdom and a means of concern.

7.Every male will have to present himself to me three times a year.
( medical checkups, bloodsamples, keeping an eye on the progress of the experiments,etc.)
More a worship thing and obedience, A bit like Muslims having to do a pilgrimage to Mecca at least ones in their life. Remembering whos boss.

Has to do with procreation circumcision on the male. To see who is in the clan and who is not. Circumcision is a Jew ordained thing. Most nations never did this..but it is now proven via medic it is best to do.

8.Do not offer the victims blood on bread.
( protein and yeast a bad mix, yeast is not always good for the body as i understand it, fungiwise)
And it would get all soggy :-)
Bacteria. These were scientist also

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.
(First purest hybrid mix ? Want to watch their development closely, root out the failures?)

Domination and respect. They wanted to be gods. First born is indeed a sacrifice.

10. Do not cook the kids in its mothers blood.
( i think i understand, a food law for keeping or storing items separately or something like that)
I am glad they did not call children Kids in those days
As said done via means of purity

778 neighbour of some guy
28th January 2012, 18:43
That pictogram sold me on the story, i am by no means an expert on the christian religion and have very little knowledge of whats exactly in the bible, but his interpretation is absolutely stunning if correct. (which i think it is).

The commandments also amazed me because of its possible implications.

1. Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.
(this will screw up our painstakingly planned social and genetics experiments)

2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.
(Another genepool thing)

3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.
(Dont know what to make of this one)

4. Observe the feasts.
(Who`s feasts and why).

5.Reserve all first borns to me.
( Who's me and why, for what purpose, training, education, look for genetic mistakes to improve on the next time?)

6.Respect Saturday.
( their day off of course, everybody needs some leisure time to regenerate and maybe or most likely have some fun.)

7.Every male will have to present himself to me three times a year.
( medical checkups, bloodsamples, keeping an eye on the progress of the experiments,etc.)

8.Do not offer the victims blood on bread.
( protein and yeast a bad mix, yeast is not always good for the body as i understand it, fungiwise)

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.
(First purest hybrid mix ? Want to watch their development closely, root out the failures?)

10. Do not cook the kids in its mothers blood.
( i think i understand, a food law for keeping or storing items separately or something like that)


I am just saying what i think this may mean, but some things sound like keeping an eye on the new project.

1. Do not contract alliance with the inhabitants of the country.
(this will screw up our painstakingly planned social and genetics experiments)

2. Do not take women of the country for Israels children.
(Another genepool thing)
Yip. Keep the tribe on the pure bloodline

3. Do not make divinities on fused metal.
(Dont know what to make of this one)
I would say only use pure metals as a base for a divinities. (Statues) Gold or silver and not metals that are fused together after melting
4. Observe the feasts.
(Who`s feasts and why).
Feast days were ceremonial days. For example the day Moses met Yahwey on the mount and given the stone tablets would have been a feast day from then on.

5.Reserve all first borns to me.
( Who's me and why, for what purpose, training, education, look for genetic mistakes to improve on the next time?)
The first born sons were Usually prepared for the Priesthood. Catholics still done this up to just a few years ago. Until the youth woke up and said, On yer bike

6.Respect Saturday.
( their day off of course, everybody needs some leisure time to regenerate and maybe or most likely have some fun.)
Yip and prepare all food the day before.

7.Every male will have to present himself to me three times a year.
( medical checkups, bloodsamples, keeping an eye on the progress of the experiments,etc.)
More a worship thing and obedience, A bit like Muslims having to do a pilgrimage to Mecca at least ones in their life. Remembering whos boss.

8.Do not offer the victims blood on bread.
( protein and yeast a bad mix, yeast is not always good for the body as i understand it, fungiwise)
And it would get all soggy :-)

9. Donate all firstlings of the land to me.
(First purest hybrid mix ? Want to watch their development closely, root out the failures?)

10. Do not cook the kids in its mothers blood.
( i think i understand, a food law for keeping or storing items separately or something like that)
I am glad they did not call children Kids in those days :brushteeth:

Thanks Billyji, well you see, my point is, not being religious( have some weird experiences, but i consider those spiritual rather then religious), i can only look at this from a very practical point of view.

For instance say, i come from outer space, i am gonna start up a genetic project in a controlled environment( i'd better be, if not my species will seize to exist). In this case these commandments make perfect sense. Just a way of keeping a close eye on your newly developped product as is usual in any good bussines practice.

So i am not talking racism or whatever that may mean( really hate it), but purely practical. Its my project and you better not screw this investment up for us, so here are the rules, blahdiblah.

I am so completely not seeing the religious part here, its just been documented in texts which have BECOME religious, i dont know, the people who were actually there at that time are not here today to tell their first hand story ( my personal view, feel completely free to toss it if you will, no problem.).

Even if they are here now to tell their story, it should not be about who our creators are, seems like we already have a good idea about who they were, so no nitpicking on technicalities from me here.

My question is what the hell were they thinking leaving us here without an owners or operators manual for our soul carriers, seems like it slows down our evolutionary proces quite a bit dont you think? Makes me feel like someones toy without giving me a conscious choice of playing along with the game.

I am getting the spiritual aspects, learn, grow, we are all energy, all one ( reikimaster myself)etc etc, but but in their own interests it should have been a lot wiser from them, to leave the studymaterial behind for us in a very obvious in our faces and unmistakeble way, so we would have no doubts at all about why , how, when they came and be very clear about our potential, and live up to it.

Anywho, the videopresentation was great and very informative to me and i liked the stuff presented very much, and in combination with the pictogram things could not have become more clear to me, someone or more came down, did an elevator pitch to a guy on top of a mountain, (guy is really really impressed has no other clue who this is but it seems godly or out of this world), fenced off his selfproclaimed turf, lured in some natives, and had a expirimental go at them, hence us existing today, and they took off again. Very nice.

Again, i have no problem with religion as such, but there are many many sides to this coin(story) and something smells really funky here.

The Sumers, were pretty clear in their words, art, gods, etc, after that it went downhill.

How come?

Kimberley
28th January 2012, 18:46
Quote 7.Every male will have to present himself to me three times a year.

( medical checkups, bloodsamples, keeping an eye on the progress of the experiments,etc.)

More a worship thing and obedience, A bit like Muslims having to do a pilgrimage to Mecca at least ones in their life. Remembering whos boss.

Has to do with procreation circumcision on the male. To see who is in the clan and who is not. Circumcision is a Jew ordained thing. Most nations never did this..but it is now proven via medic it is best to do.


Nice interpretations of the 10 commandments that look nothing like the 10 commandments I was taught... wow!!

I know this is a bit off topic but I could not keep silent about what BestLion added
Circumcision is a Jew ordained thing. Most nations never did this..but it is now proven via medic it is best to do.

I hate to break it to you but circumcision is yet another one of the things that has been done to males that is part of the control game. It has been proven medically that circumcision is not necessary... sorry guys another false belief to learn about and heal... just for starters do you really think the male penis would have been created with a flaw???


Circumcision is not usually medically needed. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not recommend circumcision as a routine procedure for newborn males. When making this policy, the AAP looked at the possible benefits, risks, and costs of the procedure.1 Other major medical organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, agree with the AAP policy.

Just 2 of many places to read about this topic:
http://children.webmd.com/tc/circumcision-topic-overview
http://children.webmd.com/tc/circumcision-why-it-is-done

When I have some time this would be a great thread for me to start...I did a lot of research on this topic 20 years ago when I was pregnant with my first child...and that was before I could use the internet...

Billy
28th January 2012, 19:18
I did read many years ago that cicumcision on males was for cleanlyness only, In dry hot countries sand grit could cause infection if trapped under the foreskin.
I also do believe there was a few flaws in the human being. Teeth for example. how come we lose most of our second teeth years before we pop our clogs.
Bad design if you ask me.

The starchild alien skull that was found had a third set of teeth. now that would have been a better design. just wait till i see the creator. i will be having a few words there :boink:

Beren
28th January 2012, 20:57
Abraham as father of Hebrew nation has exiled from Ur thus his was out of Sumerian culture.
But it was not written that he worshiped ET's or Annunaki's.
Yes Ur was Sumeria..So the language would be as he said Akkadian. And Hebrew came later..This is why he says it is hard to get a good translation from the books of Moses..Moses more then likely spoke Akkadian.
Genesis does describe Abraham "as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him . Who do you assume these men are?

They were portrayed as angels.
Angels are spirits whom have ability to materialize human or any other body they wish for.
They are much higher upon the level of life than we are now in our bodies.
We mystify them because we don`t know them much.

But what is worthy of notice is that they are their own technology - meaning they function in the area of sheer energy - ability to wield energy and make it in any other form they like.
It`s the high ability in cultures of ET`s when you don`t need any material tech to do anything since you are able via directing or redirecting energy to make anything you want or to be anywhere you like.

Eventually humans will as a collective reach that stage.

RedeZra
28th January 2012, 21:11
Abraham as father of Hebrew nation has exiled from Ur thus his was out of Sumerian culture.


where did Abraham come from ?


in 1927 Leonard Woolley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Woolley) identified Ur Kaśdim with the Sumerian city of Ur in southern Mesopotamia where the Chaldeans had settled around the 9th century BCE

but there is no tradition nor evidence to place Abraham in southern Mesopotamia


both Jewish and Islamic tradition placed Ur Kaśdim in the area of Aram-Naharaim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aram-Naharaim) and Padan-aram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddan_Aram) in northern Mesopotamia


in Urfa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eanl%C4%B1urfa)in south-eastern Turkey there is both a living tradition and place of pilgrimage not only of Abraham's birthplace but also Job


And Terah took his son Abram and his grandson Lot, the son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, his son Abram's wife, and they went out with them from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan; and they came to Haran and dwelt there. - Genesis 11:31

and Haran is just some miles south of Urfa on the way to Canaan



so Abraham was an Aramean (Syrian) living in Urfa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eanl%C4%B1urfa)close to Haran and Göbekli Tepe

in the Bible Abraham is chosen by God to cross the Euphrates and enter Canaan and so Abraham is known as the father of the Hebrews or those who crossed the Euphrates


Jacob (Israel) grandson of Abraham crossed the Euphrates back to Syria to find a wife from his relatives

but Jacob had to stay and work for his syriac uncle Laban for many years before he crossed the Euphrates with his first cousins wives back to Canaan

in Genesis 31:47 Jacob and his syriac uncle Laban made a borderpact between them in the form of a 'Heap of Witness' on the ground

which Laban called Jegar Sahadutha (Heap of Witness in Aramic) but Jacob called Galeed (Heap of Witness in Hebrew) on Mt Gilead

Beren
28th January 2012, 21:37
Firstly i am not sure why you bring Stitchin into this. Mauro states that he has not used any of Stitchin's translations, Stitchin is not the only one who has translated the Sumarian Tablets. Personally i have never read any of stitchin's research. I use my own research.

Thank you for your reply since I thought you were using him as a reference.

You are correct, it does not say in the bible that Abraham (Abram), worshiped an ET or the Annunaki, It says he worshiped Yahwey. and yes WHO IS YAHWEY.

It seems that Yahwey is not the creator of all the universes, of all that is. Not creator GOD. This is why in Islam God connot be named. Allah is the one that cannot be named.

Yahwey is one of the Elohim Gods (plural) And you are correct again, they are just names, but many of the names of GODS in ancient texts such as Vedic,Hebrew, Egyptian, Greek, Mayan. They have different names but are the same beings in different cultures.

If Yahwey is pure spirit GOd, how come he travelled around in a craft, How did Adam and Eve HEAR him coming into the garden. How did this spirit manage to guide and protect Israel through the desert proceding before them in a RUACH. how did Moses SEE and speak with him on the mount. Why did this pure loving spirit threaten his followers with death if they did not toe the line. He had anger, was a Jealous. Commited genocide to whole cities Men, woman and children, because of a few bad apples in the basket.

This is not the deeds of a All knowing all loving God, creator of all that is.

This is the deeds of a being who announced he was God but had loads of issues. Still had a learning process to journey through.

I say again, i am not saying Yahwey is a negative entity, He is just like you and i. As above so below.

When Jesus said in John 8.42 speaking to the pharisees.
Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
(what did he mean)

Again
john 8.44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Who is the Father of the Pharisees that Jesus was speaking off. Who is the God of the Pharisees.

Just throwing this out there.

Peace


You make here very valid points and to reply you I must take a bit broader aspect so I hope you will understand my understanding of things.

I will use God with big G when meaning about Source or Creator of life in Universe and Universe itself.
And I will use god or gods with small g when talking about ET`s or humans.

God as source of life and life itself exist without beginning and without end- meaning there is nothing that is not part of God. God is everything imaginable and more. It`s a tough concept to wrap upon but hey it is as it is.

Before God decided to create souls in their separate forms and shapes there didn`t exist material universe.
When first souls emerged universe followed.
How and when I don`t quite know since no one fully knows this except theories and such.

My understanding goes deeper into this area:
1.souls are parts of Creator itself and can never be separated by any circumstance
2.not all are made equal by abilities but all are one in God
3.some chose to be forever in spirit and energy forms and some chose to be embodied
4.souls are not functioning in their pristine form in a manner of physics like in material universe
5.nothing can die
6.life in any form is always multidimensional
7.whatever is experienced by any soul anywhere is always rapported to God via invisible connection between each soul and God.
8.when in body soul begin different phase of existence and often forgets all
9.it doesn`t mean that all is lost only temporarily veiled for each particular soul that is in body
10.when in body ,soul doesn`t know what`s going on in spiritual realms hence doesn`t know the consequences of actions of all
11.nothing that is ever done is lost for energy signature lives within God as whatever souls do ,they are doing it upon God`s body (universe in spirit realms and material realms)

Ok now so after all this we can talk about earth and this that we talk about say Ruach or crafts.

When Earth was being created , no life existed in body form. So why would someone need a craft to be over Earth or in Earth?
Beings who created Earth were and are in spirit form so they can move in universe in all realms without need of technology to do so.

God created souls and some soul afterwards were creating material universe. So Certain souls of immense power created material universe and Earth - not God. But in the same time God created universe and Earth since through God souls came to be . So God in the same time didn-t to anything but also did everything.
It`s a dichotomy but it`s true.

Every soul is a god and part of God. So whatever any soul does- God always knows. If one soul as god is united in will and spirit ,when creating something, with God -then everything what is created can be seen as God created it for in the very moment of that conscious creation god and God were and are one so actually God is creating through god.

It`s a tough concept to grasp but it is as it is.

So back to earth and Sumerians and Annunakis.

Whenever any soul created anything on Earth without being one with God they were just gods. Not the God.
And you can see that fluctuation in the Bible when gods wanted something from people and when God appeared to people .
Since God is allpowerfull it can show itself in any form it desires to any soul in any existence.

How can you recognize the difference?

Here comes Christ upon the scene- namely Christ was and is God in flesh but also God in spirit since Christ`s souls is always united with God hence it is God. So whenever you speak with Christ you speak with God.

"Father and I are one"

And message of Christ is Love .
Unconditional Love.

So by using that Love you can see the difference between God and a god or gods.
Every human is god also. But only ones who are aligned in Love and spirit with God as one can be named God.
Simple as that.

And as nothing can die - it can only transform its existence in life all those who ever dies or were murdered are not wasted. They can`t be.
All souls before they entered physicality agreed what they will want to experience in that lives.
Be it murders,wars,famines,deaths,riches,love ...

And also it should be noted that God gives free will to all.
Free will has consequences of actions of all kinds.

Bible stated many times that it was Hebrews that wanted bloodshed or any other things ,God allowed them and they reaped what they sown.
NO sparing.
God is always there as the ultimate thing to fulfill the wishes of all. but every wish has a consequence of which many aren`t aware of before desiring it in the first place.

God will say do not kill for it`s not good to take physical life but you are free to do so . Hence you will reap the consequence of taking the life of the body of someone.
In reality you can`t kill anyone.

But nevertheless physical killing of the body has a trauma attached with it hence God said - do not kill.
You can but it`s better to not kill.

Same is with everything in existence.

You are free to do all that you please in all realms of existence in life but every action with bring you a consequence . Pleasant or not - up to you.

Hence you can not call God as blood thirsty maniac who wanted blood and all other atrocities.
All was done by men and men only.
Also there were some other gods from other places or realm in universe who mingled in Earth affairs but people wrongly thought of the as being God instead of being gods.

Why would God want anything when has everything?

Only thing God wants is for all souls in existence to consciously be aware of who they are and from where they came and where they will return.

I can tell ya that even the soul of a child that was sacrificed upon the altar in ancient Moab and their slaughterers will drink coffee together somewhere in spirit realm when all is said and done, contemplating their experiences and emotions and consequences of the same.

But here and now we fight and stir emotion of fear and love. We are remembering who we are and what we will become again.

BestLion
28th January 2012, 21:43
They were portrayed as angels.
read the book, he says angels are bull ****. in real translation never were real..best wishes in your walk with jesus.. :rolleyes:

Beren
28th January 2012, 21:49
They were portrayed as angels.
read the book, he says angels are bull ****. in real translation never were real..best wishes in your walk with jesus.. :rolleyes:

Thank you.
Best wishes also in your way where you go.

BestLion
28th January 2012, 22:00
Best wishes also in your way where you go.
we are all seeking truth whatever fits your boat. Keep an open mind. i was also once of your faith. i Dont have the answers..nor does the bible...'i wish it did' Im just seeking truth as U are...Dont be offended ..im just a normal man in the search of missing puzzle pieces ...its why I am here on PA.
I dont wish to deter you from Jesus...I just have many questions about it. Cheers

Beren
28th January 2012, 22:34
Best wishes also in your way where you go.
we are all seeking truth whatever fits your boat. Keep an open mind. i was also once of your faith. i Dont have the answers..nor does the bible...'i wish it did' Im just seeking truth as U are...Dont be offended ..im just a normal man in the search of missing puzzle pieces ...its why I am here on PA.
I dont wish to deter you from Jesus...I just have many questions about it. Cheers

Now we`re talkin!
You see I am not religious nor I belong to any denomination.
Truth is always there for ones who wants to see it.

But Christ is above religion or the way the portrayed him.
Really there are many credible sources outside of religions that spoke about him.

As I stated in my long post below that`s how I see it.
I defend Bible since I know there are many stories there that are wrongly presented by religion meme hence people always cling towards official explanation when in fact there is no.

Church versions of stories are always biased since we know who leads churches or who`s spirit.
I don`t have faith as you might think, I am in the now.
I speak of what I know of.

Because some religions disappointed you do not throw the baby with the bath water for they still speak about a lot of truth though they veil it and lead the water on their mill ...

They add words that aren`t there and take off words that were there so it can fit in their misconceptions of truth.
But when you closely follow only the words which Jesus stated in any version of Bible - without immediate explanation of any other disciple - you will find that he didn't spoke much...

He would state something and immediately follows the explanation of actually what he thought of... It`s like reader doesn`t know to read what is written so someone has to explain it...

Here we must use discernment to see what is to be seen.
Same is with OT , we must use discernment to realize all angles back then and not to be quick to judge .




Check out this website:
www.bibleufo.com

Also there are many more since truth has many layers like onions do.

BestLion
28th January 2012, 23:04
But Christ is above religion or the way the portrayed him.
Really there are many credible sources outside of religions that spoke about him.
Well no documentation of him in the early years..

I defend Bible since I know there are many stories there that are wrongly presented by religion meme hence people always cling towards official explanation when in fact there is no.

In 99% churches you would be a heretic
Well why fight..I think we are in the same boat...With the same questions.
Well your thoughts on it.......i was in that for 3 years I studied to be a pastor, even preached at churches. I wanted it to be as true as you, but i can not see it.

I don`t have faith as you might think, I am in the now.
I speak of what I know of.
I Think we are in reality we are in the same boat..but you have not recognized that yet. im no atheist!

Billy
28th January 2012, 23:16
I don`t have faith as you might think, I am in the now.
I speak of what I know of.




I Think we are in reality we are in the same boat

Welcome aboard

Peace

BestLion
28th January 2012, 23:39
Posted by BestLion

I Think we are in reality we are in the same boat
Im no christian nor ever will be but a truth seeker...with this said all for open discussion..I want truth..I dont dismiss a god or gods who were here in the past.
I am seeking truth! not some BS Bible,,,or BS savior.

Billy
29th January 2012, 00:39
Good. So we can all agree that a literal translation of the OT could be an interesting project for us all to research together.

Having fun while we research.

I will begin on tape number 2 tomorrow.

Peace

Kimberley
29th January 2012, 01:30
Good. So we can all agree that a literal translation of the OT could be an interesting project for us all to research together.

Having fun while we research.

I will begin on tape number 2 tomorrow.

Peace

I think that part of our researching this together includes the multitude of researchers that have come to the conclusion that there was not a historical Jesus. I think most of you contributing to this thread have some understanding of Santo's Bonacci's reseach if not go here http://universaltruthschool.com/ for hours and hours of lectures... But I will mention the first research that came to my attention 7 years ago or so....was/is a book titled "The Laughing Jesus"

Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy, authors of The Jesus Mysteries and Jesus and the Lost Goddess, return with a powerful indictment of Jewish, Christian, and Islamic fundamentalism and a passionate reinterpretation of Gnostic spirituality. According to Freke and Gandy, religiously inspired acts of violence, such as the attacks on 9/11, are nothing new. They are the continuation of a long and bloody history of brutality caused by mistaking bizarre old books for the Word of God. The time has come to end religious intolerance and wake up to oneness by rediscovering the Gnostic way of transforming oneself and the world.

Freke and Gandy's Incendiary New Book Is a Wake-Up Call to the World

What if the Old Testament is a work of fiction, Jesus never existed and Muhammad was a mobster?

What if the Bible and Qur’an are works of political propaganda created by Taliban-like fundamentalists to justify the sort of religious violence we are witnessing in the world today?

What if there is a big idea which could free us from the us-versus-them world created by religion and make it possible for us to truly love our neighbours, and indeed our enemies, as our Self?

What if it is possible to awaken to a profound state of oneness and love, which the Gnostic Christians symbolised by the enigmatic figure of the laughing Jesus?
Review
“The Laughing Jesus is a manifesto for Gnostic mysticism. Freke and Gandy’s exposition of Gnostic enlightenment is lucid and accessible; their critique of Literalist religion is damningly severe.” —Robert M. Price, professor of scriptural studies, Johnnie Colemon Theological Seminary, and editor of The Journal of Higher Criticism

“The Laughing Jesus is a daring and thought-provoking book. Read it and nothing that you thought about the great monotheistic religions will ever look quite the same again.” —Graham Hancock, author of Fingerprints of the Gods

“The Laughing Jesus should be considered not merely a good read, although it is, but also a matter of burning urgency, for this is one of the most important books that has emerged in this infant millennium.” —Larry Dossey, M.D., author of Reinventing Medicine and Healing Words
About the Author
Timothy Freke has an honors degree in philosophy and is the author of more than twenty books on world spirituality. He lectures and runs experiential seminars throughout the world exploring gnosis.

Peter Gandy has an M.A. in classical civilization and is an internationally respected authority on the ancient Pagan Mysteries and early Christianity.

Both Freke and Gandy live in England and are the authors of five previous books, including The Jesus Mysteries and Jesus and the Lost Goddess.

And here is the rest of their work... http://www.timothyfreke.com

RedeZra
29th January 2012, 05:37
God created souls and some soul afterwards were creating material universe. So Certain souls of immense power created material universe and Earth - not God. But in the same time God created universe and Earth since through God souls came to be .

there is a hierarchy of angels or an orchestra of elohim living in the Kingdom of Heaven before the physical universe came into existence

the best man on earth is still lower than the least angel in Heaven


but the promise to the righteous is entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven


this is just conjecture on my part but i believe some of the greatest souls who have graced the earth with a visit are actually inhabitants in the Kingdom of Heaven

souls who have overcome the world in earlier ages and are firmly established in Heaven


so our purpose and mission here on earth in this age is the same as every age

to grow a soul fit for the Kingdom of God


sin and sinners cannot hope to enter Heaven but this is why Jesus came

He has the power to forgive our sins if we seek Him

Kimberley
29th January 2012, 15:41
Happy Day here catching up from where I left off yesterday... great thread!
Much love

Billy
29th January 2012, 18:21
Good day everyone, It is Sunday so we can allow Jusus to rest and get back on topic, I have been up the mountains on this sunny day in Scotland so have not had time to cover all of tape 2. but half of it completed.

Here we go.


Mauro translates the word TSELEM and Elohim.

From what we can draw out of the literal translation of the bible, thus from the definition of the consonantic roots. The bible tells us that we have been made using Elonim's TSELEM. Usually all translations you have say that "We are made in Gods image and after his likeness"



Do you understand ELOHIM? Elohim is a biblical term which is usually translated as "GOD". Actually Elohim is a plural term. By the way, Maybe because from the point of view of the semitic philology things are not so simple as often stated.


Therefore it is NOT so certain that Elohim is the plural of "EL" meaning GOD. So when we talk about Elohim we say the stuff that we traditionally identify with God. But definitely in the bible it means "A lot of people". No doubt about that.



The cult says that we are "MADE" the traditional translation. In the image and after the likeness. Actually the bible says that "We are made after the likeness, but with something that contains Elohims Image"

The dictionaries edited by the Rabbis say more. they state that TSELEM derives from the verb TSALAM which means to "Cut out of" What the bible literaly says is, That we were made using a certain amount of material which contains Elohims Image and that it has been cut out.


Now everyone of us immediately knows what we are refering to when we say that something that contains the image of an individual has been "Cut out" It is DNA.


With any probability, this biblical tale is the summary of the Sumarian Tablets Tale. In particular in the "ENAMU ELISH" that is when the Sumarians tell about the beginning. But the Sumarians are much more precise than the bible.



because the Sumarians, who never thought of creating a RELIGION, NEVER. They Never built a temple. They never talked of GODS the way we mean it. But they spoke about those guys. Biagio Russo Talked very well about it before. They certainly respected those people, They were afraid of them. Because obviously as you can understand, Those guys were much more powerful from the point of view of knowledge and technology.




But they did NOT consider them as GODS. As have been indicated afterwards. Sumarians never build a temple. The way we mean it. Hence Sumarians who were much more precise and who knew those were not unerring Gods. They had no scruples of telling of their failures. And they tell us with high precition compared to monotheistic thought which has been later inserted in the bible.That those guys had a whole bunch of attempts gone wrong before achieving the right slave. That is, They made a lot of mistakes.

Mauro mentions Dolly the sheep as a example. 240 attempts before success.

The presumed Gods of the Sumarians did the same thing. They made one that could not hold back urine
one that could not close their eyes
one with a crooked spine, one without genitiles.
one unable to eat. I do not remember them all, but that is not important.Anyway they made a lot which were wrong.

First attempted Royal Bloodline

One really horrible one. By coincidence made by what had been extracted from the blood of one of the Gods chiefs.
How about that, The least succesful attempt was the one with Enki's blood. At some point they give a try with the blood of one of the two big bosses. A complete failure. A hairy being with a closed throat. imperfect eyes. Twisted ribs, paralyzed spine, heart, head and intestines damaged, unable to lift hands.


These translations i brought to you do not come from Stitchin. Although Stitchin is important, But one has to go beyond Regarding Sumerology. I follow the translations made by academics, Those are the translations by GLOVANNI PETTINATO. He is a worldwide authority, Actually he was, because he is dead now. Hence these are Glovanni Pettinato's translations and not an alternative sumerologist. But an academic. He was Italian. Incidentally he was the chairman of the European Commission for the creation of the Sumarian Dictionary. Hence an undisputed worldwide authority.


I mean no people are so stupid to create such kinds of Gods, Adore them and at the same time say that these guys proceeded by trials and errors.



Tape 2 To be continued

Kimberley
29th January 2012, 19:25
Thank you Billy...

The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/encounter-jinn-genie-egypt

ghostrider
29th January 2012, 20:13
some rail against the ten commandments, whats wrong with the jist of the words, tell the truth, don't steal, don't cheat, love your neighbor, don't falsely accuse your neighbor,don't take your neighbor's things , etc. do all your work , take one day and meditate , let your spirit rest... don't put your faith in images or stones , only put your faith in spirit.... The throne of England, and the Vatican manipulated the words to keep the masses enslaved to the king and the priest. Emmanuel threatened their power over people, and they killed him to keep their control... problem is he didn't stay dead. you can't kill life, it just changes forms and comes back stronger.....

RedeZra
29th January 2012, 20:41
Mauro translates the word TSELEM and Elohim.

From what we can draw out of the literal translation of the bible, thus from the definition of the consonantic roots. The bible tells us that we have been made using Elonim's TSELEM. Usually all translations you have say that "We are made in Gods image and after his likeness"



Do you understand ELOHIM? Elohim is a biblical term which is usually translated as "GOD". Actually Elohim is a plural term. By the way, Maybe because from the point of view of the semitic philology things are not so simple as often stated.


Therefore it is NOT so certain that Elohim is the plural of "EL" meaning GOD. So when we talk about Elohim we say the stuff that we traditionally identify with God. But definitely in the bible it means "A lot of people". No doubt about that.



The cult says that we are "MADE" the traditional translation. In the image and after the likeness. Actually the bible says that "We are made after the likeness, but with something that contains Elohims Image"

The dictionaries edited by the Rabbis say more. they state that TSELEM derives from the verb TSALAM which means to "Cut out of" What the bible literaly says is, That we were made using a certain amount of material which contains Elohims Image and that it has been cut out.


Now everyone of us immediately knows what we are refering to when we say that something that contains the image of an individual has been "Cut out" It is DNA.




the term tselem is also used in the Hebrew Bible to describe Seth the son of Adam and Eve

And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot [a son] in his own likeness, after his image [tselem], and named him Seth. - Genesis 5:3


tselem is also used to denote idols

"You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images [tselem] and played the harlot with them. - Ezekiel 16:17

so there is nothing mystical about tselem which means image shadow likeness



elohim is plural in form denoting divinities but it is also intensive plural describing the Majesty of Divinity

even human royalties speak of themselves in intensive plural as we and us and so forth


besides God is known as the Trinity the Three in One

as it takes three to create everything

Kimberley
29th January 2012, 22:45
some rail against the ten commandments, whats wrong with the jist of the words, tell the truth, don't steal, don't cheat, love your neighbor, don't falsely accuse your neighbor,don't take your neighbor's things , etc. do all your work , take one day and meditate , let your spirit rest... don't put your faith in images or stones , only put your faith in spirit.... The throne of England, and the Vatican manipulated the words to keep the masses enslaved to the king and the priest. Emmanuel threatened their power over people, and they killed him to keep their control... problem is he didn't stay dead. you can't kill life, it just changes forms and comes back stronger.....

Ghostrider..not sure you are understanding this thread when you write
whats wrong with the jist of the words, tell the truth, don't steal, don't cheat, love your neighbor, don't falsely accuse your neighbor,don't take your neighbor's things , etc. because the literal translation has NOT ONE of THOSE words..??? (whether they sound good or not is not the point) ???

Billy
30th January 2012, 10:28
Thank you Billy...

The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/encounter-jinn-genie-egypt

Thank you Kimberley. I remember reading this last year. (it may have been yourself that sent me the link) and what was said by the Jinn resonated with me.

These lines stood out for me.

J(inn): You humans are creators. We, the Jinn, cannot create but we can mimic… we can imitate… and we can affect potential outcomes, but we cannot create.

J: Who can say what is written on another person’s soul? We cannot purposefully influence their destiny without tampering with their agreement.

HW: Agreement with who…?

J: With the higher organizing intelligences...

HW: Who are the watchers?

J: The ones among the higher intelligences responsible for this world. We are not allowed to interfere with humans on their path although there are some who do, as well as those who function as adversaries.

J: Oh… so you know about them… (The Jinn’s field brightened reflecting excitement.) The archons are not true spirits. They are mind beings, mental entities many of who were created by humans as thought-forms. Many of these function as attachments… as mental parasites.

HW: How do they do that?

J: They feed on the energy… on the attention paid to them by humans. This includes the energy generated by human belief systems. But they are not true spirits and they will cease to exist if nobody pays attention to them any more. The ones you call ‘the archons’ are those that we call ‘the deceivers,’ and like us they are not creative. But they can mimic and they can take on forms in response to human belief systems.

J: Humans are greater than the deceivers. The deceivers that you have called the archons wish to become more like humans. They cannot create. They can only imitate and the only power that they have is derived from humans. Humans have power… and the deceivers want that power.

HW: Why don’t the watchers, as you call them, inhibit the archons, the deceivers, from interfering with humans?

J: The deceivers are not spirits. They live in the human mind, so the watchers cannot affect them.
J: The Jinn are manifestations of great spiritual force that the Gnostikoi called the Sophia. Everything that exists on this world exists as manifestations of the Sophia.

HW: Who or what is the Sophia?

J: She is the soul of this world.

HW: Does she have a physical aspect?

J: Yes. This world is her physical aspect.

HW: Where did Sophia come from?

J: She came from the center of…

(The Jinn used a strange term to me. In asking for clarification, I was given to understand that the Sophia came from the core of our galaxy.)

HW: So are human souls emanations of Sophia’s dreaming?

J: No. Your souls are sourced by the Originator. It is your body that is human with its raw powerful emotions. Your soul is simply a soul. It is spirit in nature and it is not human.

HW: Is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic father god (Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah) the Originator?

J: No.

HW: Is it the creator?

J: No.

HW: Who or what is Yahweh-Jehovah-Allah?

J: He is the arch deceiver. You might call him the lord archon after the terminology of the Gnostikoi.

HW: Who and what is the lord archon?

J: He is the arch mind parasite who has been serving as humanity’s adversary and who has been operating against humans from his beginnings.

HW: You mean that he is not the creator as so many humans believe and claim?

J: Yes. The arch deceiver cannot create anything although he claims that he can. He is an archon. He can only mimic.

HW: Why is he so powerful and why have all three of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) revered him?

J: They were all of them deceived by the lord archon. He is the arch deceiver and he derives his power from those he has deceived—from those who believe that he is the creator… that he is the Originator. But he is not.

HW: So he is not the Originator?

J: That is correct. He is the lord archon.

HW: Are the archons—the deceivers—evil?

J: No.

HW: Do they operate in the negative polarity? (This took some explaining.)

J: Yes. They encourage humans to go wrong in their behavior.

HW: Why do they do this?

J: That is their nature. They are deceivers.

HW: And what then is the source of evil?

J: Humans. The archons influence humans to err in their behavior until they reach that point where they can no longer self correct. At that point, humans create evil because that is their nature. They are creators and they have been influenced by the deceivers. They are still being influenced by the deceivers.

HW: So evil did not exist until humans created it?

J: That is correct.

HW: And is the Lord Archon is evil?

J: No. He is the arch deceiver who has operated against humanity as the adversary since his beginning.

HW: Is this why so many religious wars have been fought in the name of religion? Is this why millions of women were killed by the Church in the Middle Ages during the Great Witch Hunts?

J: Yes. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic god is the lord archon. It was his influence that manifested itself in humans with twisted minds to manifest great acts of evil. He is still doing that.

HW: You mean that he still has the power to do that again?

J: The Lord archon has no power of his own. He is not a creator. He is an archon. Humans are creators and what they create is up to them. He influences them to go into what you call the negative polarity because that is his nature.

HW: So the choice is ultimately ours?

J: That is correct. Humans can create evil or they can create its opposite.

HW: Is that how we deal with the problem of evil?

J: I do not know. That is your responsibility as humans. In my opinion, humans created evil now they must un-create it.

HW: How do we do that?

J: By creating evil’s opposite. And by changing your thoughts. The archons live in your thoughts. They are what you would call psychic vampires who feed on the energy of your thoughts and emotions. Yet humans will always have the power that comes with choice for humans are creators, but if humans allow the archons to influence them in your thinking, you humans will choose wrongly. The deceivers take delight in violence and warfare, greed and deception, competition and denial, corruption and mendacity. They encourage humans to take refuge in what you have called the negative polarity. I like this term.

HW: Did we create the gods?

J: That is correct.

HW: Who or what is the Originator?

J: No one knows. That is the Great Mystery.

HW: Where is the Originator?

J: Everywhere.

Billy
30th January 2012, 10:57
Mauro translates the word TSELEM and Elohim.

From what we can draw out of the literal translation of the bible, thus from the definition of the consonantic roots.



the term tselem is also used in the Hebrew Bible to describe Seth the son of Adam and Eve

And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot [a son] in his own likeness, after his image [tselem], and named him Seth. - Genesis 5:3


tselem is also used to denote idols

"You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images [tselem] and played the harlot with them. - Ezekiel 16:17

so there is nothing mystical about tselem which means image shadow likeness



elohim is plural in form denoting divinities but it is also intensive plural describing the Majesty of Divinity

even human royalties speak of themselves in intensive plural as we and us and so forth


besides God is known as the Trinity the Three in One

as it takes three to create everything

Red it very easy to google a word and find a thousand meanings for that word. As i have just done here.
Example:1000 word analysis on Tselem
This commentary will be examining the word tselem in the Hebrew Bible and its range of meanings.
Traditionally, this word is rendered as “image” and occurs in the phrase “the image of God” (as in
Gen. i. 26, 27). Hence, the meaning of this word carries significance for theological anthropology and
our understanding of Ancient Near Eastern conceptions of deity.
The word tselem in Hebrew has a variety of meanings and is used in different contexts

Note the highlighted in red.

As Biglino says also.
Mauro is a translator of masoretic Hebrew,

Mauro splits Jewish words into single components,

If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.
and all those who say, " I'll tell you how it is, That is why i will not tell you, "how things are"

I will tell you that there is in the Jewish consonant "roots" because that is my job, or better was my job.

My exact duty was to search the original "meaning" of course,

Mauro translates the word TSELEM and Elohim.
From what we can draw out of the literal translation of the bible, thus from the definition of the consonantic roots.

I am sorry Red but i would rather put my trust in an expert than a debunker. But thank you for your input.

Like i said to you before, Mauro is very approachable, I have been in contact with him. he is a gentleman. As i am not a expert on Hebrew If you have any queries regarding his literal translations please contact him. i also gave you the link.

Peace

778 neighbour of some guy
30th January 2012, 11:00
Billyji,

Nice one this Jinn interview, feels right, self created thought entities attach and feed off of us.

If the opposite can be realised they will feed us an give positive energy if i understood correctly.

Thanks, you just shone a bit of sunshine on my day.

Billy
30th January 2012, 11:23
Billyji,

Nice one this Jinn interview, feels right, self created thought entities attach and feed off of us.

If the opposite can be realised they will feed us an give positive energy if i understood correctly.

Thanks, you just shone a bit of sunshine on my day.

I would say more that if the opposite of negativity can be realized from humans, then the parasites that feed from human minds and emotions would have no food to survive. The decievers could not exist in our energy field, therefore have no influence over us. Freeing ourselves from our own self made enslavement, allowing us to create the heaven on earth which is within our true potential.

Peace

RedeZra
31st January 2012, 10:23
If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.
and all those who say, " I'll tell you how it is, That is why i will not tell you, "how things are"


I am sorry Red but i would rather put my trust in an expert than a debunker. But thank you for your input.



nobody needs to debunk Biglino because nobody believes him


you don't even know that the Septuagint is a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible compiled centuries before Christ

and that the medieval Masoretes did not translate the Hebrew Bible but just compiled a system of pronunciation and cantillation of the words in the the Hebrew Bible


you have ego but that's about it

BestLion
31st January 2012, 10:40
nobody needs to debunk Biglino because nobody believes him
Obviously you have your mind made up! You believe in the King James Bible and all it says and you wish not to listen-hear-read anything else but what supports that. others here have out grown the King James Bible via our , study, lifes experiences, and via our own discernment. When you say nobody believe this guy it is really insulting to many of us who are already well versed in your Bible-religion and your theology. I have his book, and I read it and go myself to the King James version of the Bible to see if he is indeed taking things out of context and i have yet to find where he does!
Sure he has his 'opinion' what he thinks the gods were, and what they were doing..But this is no different then what a person like John Wesley was doing. It is sort of like his version of a study Bible.

the Hebrew Bible compiled centuries before Christ
We all know this. And also many OT books were written at different times, Many say the book of Job is the oldest book in the Bible. Also like he says the Bible itself was passed down via word of mouth..till it eventually was written in Hebrew which came after the Jews entered the land of Canaan.

you have ego but that's about it
And you are closed minded. Its like you are wishing to believe the 5th generation passed down book which has been translated..and re-translated 10 times of Little Red Ridding Hood.
The Bible is HARDLY the WORD of god. It was written 100% by man
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Billy
31st January 2012, 11:40
. I have his book, and I read it and go myself to the King James version of the Bible to see if he is indeed taking things out of context and i have yet to find where he does!
.


Thanks to my daughters partner, with his help of having a paypal account and a much faster internet speed, i managed to purchase the book. And what i have seen at a quick glance this morning it is worth every penny of the £8 sterling.

As far as Redezra is concerned, so far he is the ONLY one who is debunking Biglino's work.So his comment that nobody believes Biglono is false. Like i said on the first page of this thread. He works within a conditioned belief system.
But at least he is looking, even if it is with sceptical eyes. Therefore it will not be so tramatic for him when the truth comes to light, the belief system he has created for himself may adjust as the truth is slowly revealed. I feel for the millions who have been conditioned into power controlled lies. They may not be able to handle the truth when all becomes transparent. Hopefully Redezra can be there for them to assist them in their trauma.

Everything you have heard, or read,
about religion must be put aside once and for all.
Only if you stand clear, your conscience freed
from even the smallest sign, you’ll know religion.
The so-called religions are exactly the opposite thing,
and the aftermath they get are clearly visible.
The whole world is split by several religions:
who goes to the synagogue, who goes to the temple and who goes
to the church. But can you glimpse a gleam of religiosity anywhere?
Osho Rajneesh

peace

panopticon
31st January 2012, 13:23
G'day All,

Thank you RedeZra, you are completely correct in saying that the earliest complete version of the Tanakh is indeed the Septuagint and it was written by Jews, in Greek, between the 3rd to 2nd Century BCE. The fragments/scrolls from Qumran are from a later period (often dated as between the 2nd Century BCE and first century CE). In regards to the first complete versions of the Tanakh in Hebrew discovered, I think these date to between the 9th Century CE (the Codex Cairensis) and the 10th Century CE (the Leningrad Codex).

This, however, does not negate, in my opinion, Biglino's work as the general understanding of the phrases used in the verbal languages (Hebrew, Aramaic etc.) at the time and the written representation of those phrases can be back referenced and compared to both later translations/interpretations and root languages. What is also interesting is the comparison of texts between the Qumran fragments, the Septuagint and the later Hebrew scripts. Biglino, being a specialist in archaic Hebrew, may be doing this and his use of Sumerian pictograms gives me cause to hope.

I don't think anyone is sure how accurate the oral transmission of the Tanakh was (from the fall of Rome through to the medieval period) or if an oral tradition effected the work of Moses ben Asher and Aaron ben Moses ben Asher. However, I am interested in Biglino's work and while I would need to do further research to have an opinion on it (as I posted in my initial response to this thread) I am not adverse to looking into his literal interpretation and comparative linguistics.

So, just to be clear, the earliest written record of the Tanakh (the Septuagint) is in Greek and the Hebrew versions that we have today are more than likely taken from the Greek version and may have also been influenced by an unknown oral tradition. The Qumran fragments/scrolls were written in a combination of Greek, Aramaic and archaic Hebrew and date from after the Septuagint. The Qumran fragments/scrolls may have also been influenced/taken from the Septuagint. We don't know as there are no records. The comparisons of the the various texts show differences between them which is why there is debate as to which is "accurate".

Once again I'll quote Biglino (trans. pt3, 06:30) '..the only certainty we have is that we know that we don't know'.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

RedeZra
1st February 2012, 02:07
When you say nobody believe this guy it is really insulting to many of us who are already well versed in your Bible-religion and your theology.

i am not aware of any Scripture scholars backing up Biglino so in nobody i ment men of erudition




Therefore it will not be so tramatic for him when the truth comes to light, the belief system he has created for himself may adjust as the truth is slowly revealed. I feel for the millions who have been conditioned into power controlled lies. They may not be able to handle the truth when all becomes transparent. Hopefully Redezra can be there for them to assist them in their trauma.

hopefully i'm not here when all hell breaks loose

nobody believed Noah before the waters came

but it came at the appointed time




Thank you RedeZra, you are completely correct in saying that the earliest complete version of the Tanakh is indeed the Septuagint and it was written by Jews, in Greek, between the 3rd to 2nd Century BCE. The fragments/scrolls from Qumran are from a later period (often dated as between the 2nd Century BCE and first century CE). In regards to the first complete versions of the Tanakh in Hebrew discovered, I think these date to between the 9th Century CE (the Codex Cairensis) and the 10th Century CE (the Leningrad Codex).

yes so since there was a Greek version of the Hebrew Bible before Christ then it's not true to say that the Hebrew Bible is a medieval composition

panopticon
1st February 2012, 05:14
Thank you RedeZra, you are completely correct in saying that the earliest complete version of the Tanakh is indeed the Septuagint and it was written by Jews, in Greek, between the 3rd to 2nd Century BCE. The fragments/scrolls from Qumran are from a later period (often dated as between the 2nd Century BCE and first century CE). In regards to the first complete versions of the Tanakh in Hebrew discovered, I think these date to between the 9th Century CE (the Codex Cairensis) and the 10th Century CE (the Leningrad Codex).
yes so since there was a Greek version of the Hebrew Bible before Christ then it's not true to say that the Hebrew Bible is a medieval composition

G'day RedeZra,

That is correct, as far as I understand it.

There was obviously, at the very least, an oral transmission of certain traditions during the 3rd Century BCE otherwise the writing of the Septuagint would not have occurred (although this is all contested and some argue that the Septuagint was either never written or written much later than the generally accepted period as there is no copy of it, from that period, that has survived). It is possible that there may have been no earlier written version of the Tanakh (only a possible verbal transmission) but to comment more on this would be conjecture on my part. Are you saying that the individual texts of the Tanakh were initially composed between the 3rd Century BCE and 2nd Century BCE in Greek? I have heard that proposal before, however it is not the main stream view of the Tanakh's origin.

Of course all this could change tomorrow with the discovery of scrolls from a much earlier period to assist in showing how the various traditions evolved over the centuries.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Oouthere
1st February 2012, 05:59
Thank you Billy...

The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/encounter-jinn-genie-egypt

This is very interesting! I can't believe a human thinks they can control a spirit, the "Jinn" was playing this person like a flute while making them believe the human is in control.

Delight
1st February 2012, 17:37
Thank you Billy...

The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/encounter-jinn-genie-egypt

This is very interesting! I can't believe a human thinks they can control a spirit, the "Jinn" was playing this person like a flute while making them believe the human is in control.

This is my take:

I feel We are on earth as Spirits inhabiting many forms. I feel we are here to learn Love and how to respect ourselves and others as Spirit in form.

Spirits (all organic Living aspects of Creation and that could include Jinn) alive in some kind of body, may choose to value appropriate relationship to all other life: approaches such as honor, respect, developing of relationship to support the highest good of all concerned. This feels really good and seems to promote well fare. I think I need to understand that the same principles work on all levels and carry out actions supporting the principles.

I read that article about the Jinn, when it first came out. I also have looked at John lamb Lash since then and the concept of the inorganic mimics of Life: Archons (can only live through Living beings as mind parasites). Humans seem to have been infected! It does not feel good to be used by this artificial intelligence. One is running scared and desperation prevails.

There are beliefs that cause fear and encourage humans to make grave errors. Fear causes rationalization of the need to control other aspects of Life (including other spirits). In fact, I think this error may be called Sorcery because it uses the life energy of others. It is always rationalized as necessary. It is done for "survival" oriented selfish purpose. Belief in the need of Sorcery has led to such behaviors as blood sacrifice, molestation, violence of all kinds. Sorcery is definitely a dead end away from Love and respect for those who practice it.

You can see much evidence that what passes as religion is systematized sorcery. Well meaning humans feed this machine because they have been led astray.

The very notion of control (assuming the need and right of one to dominate another) is anathema for a Spiritually based world and leads us astray at whatever level it is attempted. Creator that is Everywhere is the ONE of which all is a part. I believe that if we are in concert with the ONE, we work in conjunction WITH, not control.

Any humans or human systems aiding this theft takes us out of harmony within the ONE. When systems use and control: failing to honor sacred relationship, they are Archon inspired. The deeper we move into the mind set of the Archon's parasitic works, the harder it is to correct.

With error at the heart of the reasons for "how things are done", no wonder we fail to prosper in the long run. We are without wisdom aiding and abetting the Grand Theft of Life Force.

Arguing about the Bible is fairly useless. What is more useful to me is deeply feeling into truth. If one has the eyes and the ears to understand truth, the truth will be comprehended whether it is in King James or the phone book. The truth IS.

If one feels one has to defend the truth, I'd say that person has a very weak connection with inner peace. But the good news is that peace can be restored through any activity that bypasses the mental labyrinth where parasites hold sway.

True spiritual knowledge is revealed as one feels into a relationship with one's Source and I believe we all have access Source inspiration when we turn away from error.

May it be so that I always may turn from error into truth, even whatever is mistaken in this rant (LOL) Delight

Billy
1st February 2012, 18:05
Thank you Billy...

The puzzle pieces just keep falling into place .. this is a must read...

http://www.sharedwisdom.com/article/encounter-jinn-genie-egypt

This is very interesting! I can't believe a human thinks they can control a spirit, the "Jinn" was playing this person like a flute while making them believe the human is in control.

I don't think control over another was the intention of the meeting, That i would say is a distraction from the conversation that took place and knowledge shared.

Peace

Billy
1st February 2012, 18:13
hopefully i'm not here when all hell breaks loose

nobody believed Noah before the waters came

but it came at the appointed time



Hopefully you are not planning an early departure in the next few years RedeZra. Stick around and enjoy Thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven :clap2:

RedeZra
1st February 2012, 21:33
Are you saying that the individual texts of the Tanakh were initially composed between the 3rd Century BCE and 2nd Century BCE in Greek?

hi Panopticon

the Tanakh or the Hebrew Bible is so called because it is mostly written in the Hebrew language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language)

there are only 250 verses - the books of Daniel and Ezra - out of a total of over 23 000 verses in the Hebrew Bible which are written in Biblical Aramaic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Aramaic)


the Septuagint is just a Koine Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible begun under king Ptolemy II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_II_Philadelphus) of Egypt in about 260 BCE


the Israelites had their Scripture scrolls in Solomon's Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon's_Temple) 3000 years ago

panopticon
1st February 2012, 22:35
Are you saying that the individual texts of the Tanakh were initially composed between the 3rd Century BCE and 2nd Century BCE in Greek?

hi Panopticon
the Tanakh or the Hebrew Bible is so called because it is mostly written in the Hebrew language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language)
there are only 250 verses - the books of Daniel and Ezra - out of a total of over 23 000 verses in the Hebrew Bible which are written in Biblical Aramaic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Aramaic)
the Septuagint is just a Koine Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible begun under king Ptolemy II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_II_Philadelphus) of Egypt in about 260 BCE
the Israelites had their Scripture scrolls in Solomon's Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon's_Temple) 3000 years ago

G'day RedeZra,

That is the way the story goes as I understand it.

There is no evidence outside of the Bible and tradition, that I am aware of and excluding apologist propaganda, that show that Solomon's temple (or Solomon) even existed in the Northern Kingdom (Judah), let alone that there was scripture read in archaic-hebrew there.

Whether or not there was this or that is not the point of this thread so can we move back to reviewing some of Biglino's writings?
Is there any more information that anyone can share in regards to the book. I am interested in his (Biglino') literal translation and what else he has to say.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

RedeZra
3rd February 2012, 09:14
There is no evidence outside of the Bible and tradition, that I am aware of and excluding apologist propaganda, that show that Solomon's temple (or Solomon) even existed in the Northern Kingdom (Judah), let alone that there was scripture read in archaic-hebrew there.


because of the sensitivity of the area it is not allowed to excavate on the Temple Mount so any serious archaeological evidences for Solomon's Temple destroyed by Babylon are still under dirt

but to wet your appetite there are evidences if you take the time to look for the information

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/02/100226-king-solomon-wall-jerusalem-bible/

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071023-jerusalem-artifacts.html


oh they found king Herod's tomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#Tomb_discovery)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/05/070508-herod-tomb.html

panopticon
3rd February 2012, 15:43
G'day All,

Seems that the reading of Biglino's book is going slowly so instead of watching this thread drop away I thought I'd post a bit of information that some might find of value.
This video kind of pertains to the chat about dialects in the region:

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Another piece that some might find interesting is this article by Ryan Byrne in regards to a stamp seal that Eilat Mazar (from the video) found:
http://www.bib-arch.org/debates/seal-controversy-06.asp
What is important is that Mazar changed some of her findings (in her book) after the discussion in this article in relation to the stamp seal, mirror imaging and the stamp seals meaning.

Also Finkelstein (http://isfn.skytech.co.il/Default.aspx) (from the Megiddo digs and Tel Aviv Uni) has contested much of Mazar's work from both an historical and archaeological perspective.

Mazar's dating on the temple mount appears based on her presupposition that the Bible is accurate in all details. From this position it is possible to squeeze almost anything out as "conclusive proof".
As Finkelstein et al. state in their summary (http://isfn.skytech.co.il/articles/King%20David%20palace,%20Tel%20Aviv%202007.pdf):

Eilat Mazar’s excavations in the City of David add several points of information to what we know about the history of this problematic site. Yet, the main find—the ‘Large Stone Structure’—was not properly interpreted and dated. First, it seems to consist of several elements, mainly a rectangular building in the west and the city-wall in the east. Second, all one can safely say is that its various elements post-date the late Iron I/early Iron IIA and predate the Roman period. Circumstantial evidence seems to suggest the dating of most elements to the late Hellenistic period.

Beyond archaeology, one wonders about the interpretation of the finds. The biblical text dominates this field operation, not archaeology. Had it not been for Mazar’s literal reading of the biblical text, she never would have dated the remains to the 10th century BCE with such confidence. This is an excellent example of the weakness of the traditional, highly literal, biblical archaeology — a discipline that dominated research until the 1960s, that was weakened and almost disappeared from the scene in the later years of the 20th century, and that reemerged with all its attributes in the City of David in 2005.
Just because someone announces "I have clear evidence of ..." doesn't mean there isn't an agenda in play. I always try to look at the "who, what, where, when, how and why" questions, to see what presuppositions and/or "game is afoot".

After all, how can anyone escape from a cage if they don't know they're in one?
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Billy
22nd February 2012, 15:44
I do not have internet now and have to travel for a connection but Just to say i have now read the book, Well worth the £8 i recommend it. Loads to disguss later.
In the meantime here is an interview with Mauro that has been translated into English click the cc icon for subtitles. more to come

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Billy
24th February 2012, 13:16
Mauro is uploading new video's at this time so i will continue to post them here as they come out. I am not sure what order they are in as they are not numbered. Again click on CC icon for English subtitles
EDIT. I swapped the video in the above post and replaced it with the interview video.

Enjoy

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Billy
25th February 2012, 13:48
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Billy
12th April 2012, 18:37
Mauro Biglino featured on Inception Radio Network ,

April 11th at 9pm EDT, Michael and Chase of Project White Paper showcases the revelations of "Alien" references discovered through ex-Vatican translator, Mario Biglino literal bible translation, and looks for Todd Knurr to deconstruct its significance to validating the effort towards modern day UFO research .

TODD KNURR is a seasoned investigator whose resume undoubtedly overshadows that of the extravagant and assuming dime a dozen 'hollywood type' UFO dress-up researcher. He is a retired police officer who spent most of his career on the street and served as a field training officer in two police departments. Todd has P.O.S.T. (Peace Officer Standards and Training) certified training that includes; SWAT, counter terrorism, international terrorism, HSAC anti-terrorism workshop, bomb-threat search technique, interview and interrogation, elements of intelligence, investigative and surveillance technologies, sexual-assault investigations and field-training officer, basic and advanced. He has done extensive research on Mario Biglino's translations on the Bible and the revelations alleging several inferences to "Gods Coming From Space".

http://inceptionradionetwork.com/forum/ufo-traffic-report-1/project-white-paper-beckons-seasoned-investigator-todd-knurr-to-construe-passages-of-biblical-allusions-to-gods-from-space-and-its-bearing-on-ufo-investigations/#p783

MP3 radio show

http://irnfiles.com/audio/PWPToddKnurr.mp3

Billy
14th April 2012, 14:11
Mauro Biglino's English Fan Page on Facebook where he has uploaded this thread for interested English speakers as a reference.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-book-that-will-forever-change-our-ideas-about-the-Bible/325862194112341

I am honoured Mauro. Thank you.


Mauro Biglino's work has inspired me to create a new thread. A subject that has been with me for more than 40yrs. Universal Civilizations and DNA.

Peace

MorningSong
14th April 2012, 15:12
Dear billyji, do not dispare. I am very very grateful for this thread and all of your contributions to the forum.

We are the "Who's" on a speck of dust (ref: "Horton Hears a Who" lol), and sooner or later, the baririer will break and the others "out there" will hear us. Have faith in that.

Hugs!

Billy
17th April 2012, 14:37
Thank you Morningsong. I never despair. In fact after 40yrs of research with flying craft in the old and new testament and vedic scriptures i am very excited with what Mauro Biglino has brought to the table. It seems not many Avalonians share this excitment concerning Mauro's fantastic work. But over 7900 views from mostly non members is encouraging.

As i told Mauro a few days ago. Some of my Christian friends after i recommened Mauro's literal translation to them, who i have known for most of my life do not think i am so crazy after all.

Mauro said he may look into the New Testament later. Now that will really rock the boat. I cant wait.

Thank you for your kind words Morningsong

Bless you

Billy
9th May 2012, 18:18
I have finished copying the text from Video one, When Mauro begins to translate individual words, He begins with the Elohim's RUACH.

Enjoy.
Translation of RUACH lets do this one, Lets ride the Elohim's RUACH, That is WIND, the one that is in the bible is translated as "Spirit of God" or Gods Spirit, which indicates the typical flying of rapacious birds, when they allow themselves to be "carried" by the wind, "without" moving their wings.(hovering)

That is the Elohim's RUACH. Which the sumarians depicted that way was something that at the beginning, hovered on water without moving it's wings.


That means in Hebrew we have a description of what instead Sumarians had depicted Graphically, No doubt about that Fact that they were talking of the same thing.


But the term RUACH does not mean spirit, It means Wind, or anything flying in the air quickly and causing a wind.

The later theological elaboration, when Gods figure was created led to attatching to RUACH the meaning of spirit.
But actually this is not there, I will do one thing, I will draw a sketch and pass it around, of how the RUACH was presented in the Sumerian pictograms. Because the word is not Jewish but of Sumarian origin.

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That is the pictogram made by those that saw the first RUACH, Which is where the RUACH of the Hebrews came from,
So this is a thing that we do not know what it is. Lets say we do not know it, so we can take it easy, but which decidedly "hovers on water" no doubt about that.

As we do not know what it is, We will name it by borrowing the name directly from the Vatican, So that we don't go wrong. :-).

If you read the last edition of " Lexican Recentis Latinitatis" published by the "Libreria Editrice Vaticana" where they insert the Latin neologisms you will find the Vatican inserted, "Navis Sideralis" which means " STARSHIP"

They also inserted "Aeria Navis" which means "AIRSHIP"

They inserted " Aereus Viator" which means " ASTRANAUT"

And they inserted an Acronym. "R.I.V" which means " Res Inexplicatae Volantes" which means "UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT"
Unknown thing that hovers on water.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and Elohim's RUACH (or Gods Spirit) Hovered on the water.
Only RUACH means that stuff. For Hovering was used as a participle which is Merahphet.

Billyji Adding.
I use the Jerlusalem bible myself, This was translated from Hebrew to English in 1966. there were 27 translators involved. And one of the translators is J.R.R Tolkien who was an expert in the Hebrew Language. and has fantastic footnotes and cross references.

This is what is written in Gen1.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was without formless void. there was darkness over the deep. And GODS SPIRIT HOVERED OVER THE WATERS

in the footnotes the interpretation says of the word "hovering" Like a bird "HANGING" in the air over its young in the nest. just to confirm what Mauro has said.

Blessings

Hi everyone. Today i visited the museum in Dundee Scotland and came across some pictish stones, When i saw this stone and the pictogram carved on the stone the Sumarian Pictogram for the RUACH came to mind. i took some pictures which i will share with you. What do you think.

I am going to send these to Mauro to see what he thinks, I also searched the internet and found some others.

The the Celts and Pics journeyed through Persia and Europe over 7000yrs ago before settling in Scotland and Ireland. Some say the began their journey from what is now Israel. So it would make sense that there is a possible Sumarian connection.


A rubbing from a Stone
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CLICK ON IMAGES FOR LARGER VERSION
Below there are horses with wings
fliying to and fro from the RAUCH
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Billy
9th May 2012, 21:21
It seems i cannot upload more than 5 photos in one post so here is the Sumarian pictogragh of the RUACH to compare with the above Pictish stone carvings.

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Billy
10th May 2012, 09:52
As i am on the subject of pictograghs i am going to post this video here but i think it deserves its own thread also. My friend Sunfeather sent this to me today

Recently discovered artifacts in Mexico, some showing a possible past or future event involving ufos !

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Billy
10th May 2012, 18:05
Ancient hebrew ufo zodiac mural in israel... 550 ad
has our sun being ''towed'' by... A flying disc ufo or (ufo using sun as a portal, my thoughts )

click on image to enlarge
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MorningSong
10th May 2012, 18:32
billyji, was wondering where you got that picture and if we could find a bigger one..it looks interesting.....

I just got my copies of Biglino's books (in Italian).... will start reading his latest tomorrow....yaaay!

I happened on the this link tonight..... a short book (e-book) called "On the Wings of Angels: the Extraterrestrial Theology of the Hebrew Record" by W. L. Graham

I have only glanced through it, but it looks promising.

Opps! Forgot the link:

http://www.biblerealitycheck.com/WingsTreatise.htm

Billy
10th May 2012, 22:45
Hi morningsong do you refer to the previous post, the Hebrew mural, If so it was from Wayne Herschel. This is his Facebook page where there are more links and comments. This is his comment,

Quote Is it Helios? Is it those from above written at Deir Alla as "the Eloheim" ? But one thing is very clear... it has a disc-like object floating above the symbolic celestial chariot records say "towing our sun"... above two flying symbolic "wheels". Its our Sun present with crescent moon and a star.

to enlarge the picture just click on the first photo on the above post

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=149074285223227&set=a.110255755771747.11419.100003619698101&type=1&theater

Facebook have been trying to close him down recently so he had to create another account. this is his banned account,

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hidden-Records-by-Wayne-Herschel/126642018275

Enjoy Mauro's book, worth every penny i would say

Sunfeather
11th May 2012, 10:10
Hi Billy, I have only just caught up with the rest of the thread and haven't yet digested Biglino' work, however the main theme is familiar and interesting. While preparing for my Glasgow Theosophical talk last night I came across a couple more images of Mayan origin (unconfirmed by me) that I felt you'd enjoy... Here they are ~~~

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~~~ I included the crop circle because I felt you'd like it. :)

Billy
31st May 2012, 20:41
This Fresco is in Puri, east India. Temple of Lord Jagannath ( huge connection here with chariots for the Gods )most likely allthough it is not named specifically in the vid.

I can maybe say what the fresco story is. Hanuman and Rama had a great battle with the demon King Ravana. http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/6.0 I would say this is what the fresco depicts

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This video is in Italian, If anyone could translate into English it would be much appreciated.

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Peace

PurpleLama
31st May 2012, 21:12
Jai Shree Hanumanji!

I have not posted here before, but I am now just to say Thanks!

Thank you, billiji!

Billy
3rd July 2012, 14:19
Why are there spaceships in Medieval art?

http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/

http://sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_2_eng.htm

http://io9.com/5917914/why-are-there-spaceships-in-medieval-art

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Medieval art can sometimes surprise you, with its rich colors and expressive subjects. But sometimes, you're also caught off guard by the shock of noticing the presence of a guy in a spaceship in a painting of the crucifixion. Find out why there are so many UFOs in paintings from hundreds of years ago.

So, you are wandering around the streets of Metohia, Yugoslavia, as one does, and decide to spend some time in the Visoki Decani Monastery. You take in the atmosphere slowly, looking at the thickness of the walls — built in 1330 and still standing — and the wooden sarcophagus of King Stefan. And gradually you come up to the altar, looking at the fresco above it. Reading the informational sign next to it, you see that it was completed in 1350, which, you think, is fine, but could someone explain to you why someone in 1350 was doodling space ships above the scene of the crucifixion?

17239 To the left of Jesus, in the sky, is something that looks like a comet with a multifaceted trail behind it. One side, though, is transparent, and inside sits a small figure. In the sky on the far right of the painting is something that wouldn't look out of place in a drawing from the height of the 1960s space age. There's a rounded ship with a pointed nose cone in front, a transparent scooped window for a cockpit, and three turrets in the back that look like landing struts. The shape and aesthetic are so familiar that it's impossible to read as anything other than a spaceship.

That example is what people first point to when they talk about UFOs in medieval art, but it's not the only thing they point to. In other artwork there are golden disks shooting down lights that look like tractor beams onto the faithful. There are random ovals, with what look like wires coming out of them, over the shoulder of the Virgin Mary while she's holding the baby Jesus. There are disks in the sky in some paintings and what look like crude pictures of the flying saucer in the "I Want To Believe" poster above people's heads in others.

But the space ship in the Decani fresco is the most obvious picture of what we would think of as a spaceship. What are they?


read more here. http://io9.com/5917914/why-are-there-spaceships-in-medieval-art


peace

GoodETxSG
3rd July 2012, 15:55
I cannot find that PDF download link on the original posters link to where the EBook is... anyone else know a direct link to post where the download will begin?

Unified Serenity
3rd July 2012, 17:36
Billy,

I appreciate what you are sharing, and many Avalonians do not appreciate bible related threads. They have reasons for their near phobic reactions, and I won't judge them. I just think everything is up for discussion and when people refuse to look into something, even if it makes them uncomfortable then they could lose out. There is one thread on Avalon that just turns my stomach. I have investigated some of the claims within it, but the whole subject is just disgusting to me, and thus I don't go there. I might be losing out, but for now, I am not having enough of an impetus to set aside my discomfort. When it comes to spiritual and historical truths, that's another story. There isn't a thread I won't tread in to find the nuggets of gold. Never give up sharing your heart. No one here can judge it.

MorningSong
3rd July 2012, 18:02
@GoodeTXSG:

I just found in the "Contacts" section of the linked site:


Admin Says:
marzo 29th, 2012 at 09:19

Dear Dan,
we suspended the sale because the text is in revision. For all the people that already purchased it, we will send the correct text.

Thank you Dan!

I am finishing up reading the Italian version (Appendix 1, page 217)... Would love a copy of the revisions! Can't wait to read his previous book, "The Alien God of the Bible" mentioned several times in this one...don't know if it's in English as well...I hope so!

As an "oldie" member of Avalon Forum and having been raised a Protestant christian, I had a really hard time with the "ET/UFO" threads...but I finally had to affront my fears (and suffice the curiosity the Avalon members' posts caused in me). Last year I ordered every one of Sitchen's books and have read maybe half of them so far... then jumped on this info that Billy has introduced.

For me, human history is all soooo much clearer now. And I am at peace with all. (I just want to have a bazooka if those Annunaki ever think of returning! HA! GODS...NOT!)

Billy
5th July 2012, 19:07
I cannot find that PDF download link on the original posters link to where the EBook is... anyone else know a direct link to post where the download will begin?

Hi Goode, yes the English version is being revised due to a few Italian -English translation errors, You can go to his site here http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/?page_id=2 and leave a comment without joining. you could ask him when the revised English version will be available. When you send your £8 or $10 he sends the Ebook to your email address.

Mauro is very approachable.

Cheers.

Billy
5th July 2012, 19:36
Billy,

I appreciate what you are sharing, and many Avalonians do not appreciate bible related threads. They have reasons for their near phobic reactions, and I won't judge them. I just think everything is up for discussion and when people refuse to look into something, even if it makes them uncomfortable then they could lose out. There is one thread on Avalon that just turns my stomach. I have investigated some of the claims within it, but the whole subject is just disgusting to me, and thus I don't go there. I might be losing out, but for now, I am not having enough of an impetus to set aside my discomfort. When it comes to spiritual and historical truths, that's another story. There isn't a thread I won't tread in to find the nuggets of gold. Never give up sharing your heart. No one here can judge it.

Thank you Unified Serenity, As a non Christian i started reading the Bible just as a book starting at page one when i was 17yrs old. I found it a fasinating read, I have lost count how many times i have read it now, Filled with experiences with Flying Crafts, Yes i could see there were contradictions, Untruths but also many gems of truths. I also read many other scriptures, Vedic, Sumarian Tablets, Islamic, I bought a second hand copy of the book of Enoch early 1970's and that was a wow moment, again i have lost count how many times i have read it. I bought a paper back book titled, " The Bible and Flying Saucers " by Barry H, Downing in the early 70's also. He was studying in my Home town at Edinburgh university. Another little Gem.

I began taking notes in the late 70's but when i lost all my belongings in 2002 i also lost my treasured notes also.

When Mauro brought his literal translations to the table it rekindled my spirit to bring foreward what i have researched and learned over the years. I am in touch by email to Mauro regulary and his reply to my Pictic stone carving was a WOW for him. It takes only one person like Morningsong to respond in the manner above to make it all worth the effort.

As far as expressing and sharing from my heart what i have learned on my journey through studying the bible and connected Writings Vedic, Enoch etc,. if i can express it in written form, I have much more to share.


Blessings and Peace

Billy
30th July 2012, 16:21
20,000 Year-Old Aluminum ‘Vimana’ Aircraft Landing Gear Discovered


http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/26/20000-year-old-aluminum-vimana-aircraft-landing-gear-discovered/


Terrence Aym
beforeitsnews

Some scholars are convinced an ancient, advanced civilization existed where the nation of India is today. They claim the prehistoric city-state had advanced technology including high-energy weapons, jet-like aircraft, and even the atomic bomb. Now a stunning artifact has been identified by some researchers as the part of an aircraft landing assembly dated as old as 20,000 years made from a metal that wasn’t discovered until the early 1800s.

For many years certain researchers in India and Asia have tried to convince Western skeptics that the so-called religious texts of the Vedas are really descriptive history. Lending credence to their claims are various artifacts found over the years and detailed descriptions of the vimana aircraft engineering and construction.

The incredible discovery during the 1990s of the remains of an ancient city in northern India that was still highly radioactive sent some archaeologists scrambling to the site.

And then, a very strange artifact, the Wedge of Aiud,first unearthed in 1973, was given another look: a machined piece of metal made of an aluminum alloy. Originally thought to be about 400 years old, new tests have determined it’s from 18,000 B.C.E., from the during the Pleistocene Era, nearly 20,000 years before aluminum’s discovery in modern times.

Odder still, some experts believe the artifact may be part of an aircraft landing gear…possibly from one of the ancient Indian vimana flying machines described in the Veda texts.

Read more here. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/26/20000-year-old-aluminum-vimana-aircraft-landing-gear-discovered/

I am unable to upload photo's due to my computer being beyond repair.

MorningSong
15th August 2012, 00:11
Recently, there have been many articles released on new archeological discoveries regarding the human evolution and genome of these ancient humanoids. They are trying to get to the "meat" of the matter, IMO, that is, either push the darwinian evolution theory down our throats, or expose the truth about our not-so-terrestrian DNA.

Here is one I ran across today:


Humans may not be descended from Neanderthals after all say scientists as they find DNA similarities are not the result of interbreeding

By Mark Prigg

PUBLISHED: 07:24 GMT, 14 August 2012 | UPDATED: 08:21 GMT, 14 August 2012

We may not, as previously thought, have a little bit of Neanderthal in us, scientists have revealed.

Similarities between the DNA of modern people and Neanderthals are more likely to have arisen from shared ancestry than interbreeding, a new study has found.

The team from the University of Cambridge published their new theory this week in PNAS journal.

reviously, it had been suggested that interbreeding was common, explaining our shared genome.

However, the newly published research proposes a different explanation.

Cambridge evolutionary biologists Dr Anders Eriksson and Dr Andrea Manica, found that the amount of DNA shared between modern Eurasian humans and Neanderthals - estimated at between 1-4% - actually comes from a common ancestor.

The pair used computer simulations to reassess the strength of evidence supporting hybridisation events.

They believe it can be explained if we both arose from a geographically isolated population, most likely in North Africa, which shared a common ancestor around 300-350 thousand years ago.

One group moved north to become ancestors of the Neanderthals, who emerged from an early migration from Africa into Eurasia.

The second group is believed to have moved south to become the ancestral population that gave rise to modern humans, Homo sapiens, which emerged from Africa about 70,000 years ago.

'To me the interbreeding question is not whether there was hybridisation but whether there was any hybridisation that affected the subsequent evolution of humans,' Dr Manica said.

'I think this is very, very unlikely.'

'Our work shows clearly the patterns currently seen in the Neanderthal genome are not exceptional, and are in line with our expectations of what we would see without hybridisation.

'So, if any hybridisation happened then it would have been minimal and much less than what people are claiming now,' Dr Manica added.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2188065/Humans-descended-Neanderthals-say-scientists-DNA-similarities-result-interbreeding.html

Billy
7th October 2012, 15:07
Mauro Biglino's English Fan Page on Facebook where he has uploaded this thread for interested English speakers as a reference.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-book-that-will-forever-change-our-ideas-about-the-Bible/325862194112341

I am honoured Mauro. Thank you.


Mauro Biglino's work has inspired me to create a new thread. A subject that has been with me for more than 40yrs. Universal Civilizations and DNA.

Peace

I have now posted the thread i mention above. Titled " who are the 24 Elders A revelation "

Link Here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation&p=565766#post565766

Peace

Beren
7th October 2012, 16:30
Sorry, post was meant for your other thread... :)

Sammy
23rd November 2012, 23:40
Thanks billyji - great thread... bump

Jean-Luc
24th November 2012, 14:16
20,000 Year-Old Aluminum ‘Vimana’ Aircraft Landing Gear Discovered


http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/26/20000-year-old-aluminum-vimana-aircraft-landing-gear-discovered/


Terrence Aym
beforeitsnews

Some scholars are convinced an ancient, advanced civilization existed where the nation of India is today. They claim the prehistoric city-state had advanced technology including high-energy weapons, jet-like aircraft, and even the atomic bomb. Now a stunning artifact has been identified by some researchers as the part of an aircraft landing assembly dated as old as 20,000 years made from a metal that wasn’t discovered until the early 1800s.

For many years certain researchers in India and Asia have tried to convince Western skeptics that the so-called religious texts of the Vedas are really descriptive history. Lending credence to their claims are various artifacts found over the years and detailed descriptions of the vimana aircraft engineering and construction.

The incredible discovery during the 1990s of the remains of an ancient city in northern India that was still highly radioactive sent some archaeologists scrambling to the site.

And then, a very strange artifact, the Wedge of Aiud,first unearthed in 1973, was given another look: a machined piece of metal made of an aluminum alloy. Originally thought to be about 400 years old, new tests have determined it’s from 18,000 B.C.E., from the during the Pleistocene Era, nearly 20,000 years before aluminum’s discovery in modern times.

Odder still, some experts believe the artifact may be part of an aircraft landing gear…possibly from one of the ancient Indian vimana flying machines described in the Veda texts.

Read more here. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/26/20000-year-old-aluminum-vimana-aircraft-landing-gear-discovered/

I am unable to upload photo's due to my computer being beyond repair.

Here's the picture.
http://www.vigli.org/Biglino/20000-Year-Old-Aluminum-Vimana-Aircraft-Landing-Gear-Discovered.jpg

Great thread by the way, thank you billyji.
Just watched the 6 Mauro Bigliono's videos & read the Who are the 24 Elders

For those interested here is a 18 pages PDF of Mauro Biglino's website : http://www.vigli.org/Biglino/Mauro_Biglino.pdf

Quite inspiring.

MorningSong
24th November 2012, 14:47
I recieved a notice from my favorite Italian on-line bookstore that Biglino's newest book has arrived!

Here, it is called: "Non c'è Creazione nella Bibbia: La Genesi ci Racconta un'Altra Storia" which means "There is no creation in the Bible: the Genesis tells a different story".

I see on his official site, the English title is:"There Is No God In The Bible:The Book That Makes The Vatican Tremble".

I find the differences in titles quite interesting... can't wait to read this one too!

Billy
24th November 2012, 19:55
Thank you Morningsong, I joined Mauro's new FB page a few days ago, FB closed down his original page. I knew there was a new book on the horizon but as the new page is Italian only i had to translate all posts. I did not know the new book was released.

Interesting titles indeed, My thoughts are that being Italian the English title would not have been gratefully received in Italy. Clever man.
Looking forward to this.

peace

lookbeyond
24th November 2012, 22:18
20,000 Year-Old Aluminum ‘Vimana’ Aircraft Landing Gear Discovered


http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/26/20000-year-old-aluminum-vimana-aircraft-landing-gear-discovered/


Terrence Aym
beforeitsnews

Some scholars are convinced an ancient, advanced civilization existed where the nation of India is today. They claim the prehistoric city-state had advanced technology including high-energy weapons, jet-like aircraft, and even the atomic bomb. Now a stunning artifact has been identified by some researchers as the part of an aircraft landing assembly dated as old as 20,000 years made from a metal that wasn’t discovered until the early 1800s.

For many years certain researchers in India and Asia have tried to convince Western skeptics that the so-called religious texts of the Vedas are really descriptive history. Lending credence to their claims are various artifacts found over the years and detailed descriptions of the vimana aircraft engineering and construction.

The incredible discovery during the 1990s of the remains of an ancient city in northern India that was still highly radioactive sent some archaeologists scrambling to the site.

And then, a very strange artifact, the Wedge of Aiud,first unearthed in 1973, was given another look: a machined piece of metal made of an aluminum alloy. Originally thought to be about 400 years old, new tests have determined it’s from 18,000 B.C.E., from the during the Pleistocene Era, nearly 20,000 years before aluminum’s discovery in modern times.

Odder still, some experts believe the artifact may be part of an aircraft landing gear…possibly from one of the ancient Indian vimana flying machines described in the Veda texts.

Read more here. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/26/20000-year-old-aluminum-vimana-aircraft-landing-gear-discovered/

I am unable to upload photo's due to my computer being beyond repair.

Here's the picture.
http://www.vigli.org/Biglino/20000-Year-Old-Aluminum-Vimana-Aircraft-Landing-Gear-Discovered.jpg

Great thread by the way, thank you billyji.
Just watched the 6 Mauro Bigliono's videos & read the Who are the 24 Elders

For those interested here is a 18 pages PDF of Mauro Biglino's website : http://www.vigli.org/Biglino/Mauro_Biglino.pdf

Quite inspiring.

Thanks so much for the link Jean-Luc,

Kind Reguards lookbeyond -(and the pic!)

Billy
25th November 2012, 15:50
Mauro Biglino's new book is not yet available in English. you can read a review here. http://www.radiocomunicazioni.org/

Quote:
“There Is Not Creation In The Bible” by Mauro Biglino

[translation by Rick Balbusso - Indonesia]



After the huge success of his previous work with more than 20 million copies sold, Mauro Biglino is back with his latest Essay "THERE IS NOT CREATION IN THE BIBLE." The new book deals specifically with technological references in the original Bible texts and thus has the declared purpose: to help raise awareness on what someone do not really want us to know about the origins of mankind, on the roots of knowledge and on what, most probably, really happened on our planet thousands of years ago.



It is not a coincidence that the book title is a synthesis of what the Author documented in the last two chapters, in which the reader will understand what it is considered and presented as the divine act for excellence, the so-called "creation from nothing" which is nothing more than one of the many bio-technical and absolutely material interventions, made by those individuals, called Elohìm.



Continuing in the telling and deepening what is already written in previous “THE BOOK THAT WILL CHANGE FOREVER OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE” and in the other “THE ALIEN GOD OF THE BIBLE”, we face here with specific aspects related to the concreteness of technological knowledge of those that are likely to have "made" us in their image and likeness. Spanning from The chariot of Elohìm to the communication systems, to the Ark of the Covenant - possible weapon – to the issue of gold, to the cherubim that the Bible describes as flying machines, to the dual narrative of the bio-technical production of man, to what Elohìm originally did and instead they are always been presented as the creation of the heavens and earth. All this, as usual, starting from the literal translation of the Bible derived from the Code of Leningrad, written in Hebrew.

End Quote:

Scroll down all the way for more.

peace

Jean-Luc
30th November 2012, 14:04
I am being told by a Bible-expert friend of mine the following:


Biglino dit que nul part dans la Bible il n' est évoqué de Dieu tout-puissant et éternel! C'est un mensonge gros comme un séquoia! Avec une trentaine d'autre passages, nous lisons en Genèse 17:1, version Chouraqui: "Moi, El-Schaddaï, va en face de moi: sois intègre" (traduction littérale, mot à mot!) El-Schaddaï signifie "Dieu tout-puissant". (...) Genèse 21:33, Chouraqui : "Il plante un Tamaris à Beer-Chéba. Il crie là le Nom de Jéhovah, l'El de pérennité


In other words, he argues against the fact that, according to Biglino, nowhere in the Bible is God called "all mighty" & "eternal", referring for that to Chouraqui's translation (which is based on the same origanal Massoretic text) of El-Schaddaï which (would) mean "God all mighty".

My friend came with some other arguments, but this one is the easiest to summarize.

@billyji : I think you said that Biglino was easy to get in touch with...

Billy
30th November 2012, 16:46
@billyji : I think you said that Biglino was easy to get in touch with...

Yes Jean-Luc you can find his contact details here. http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/?page_id=15

And you can also reply to various topics on that same site. Home page here. http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/I email Mauro and he replies every time.

Mauro's new Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/111645552186449/519135761437424/?notif_t=group_activity

Peace

Linnet
15th February 2013, 02:59
I am thrilled to have been able to read the English translations which adequately explain his presentation, and have "shared" a couple of the videos on my fb wall, hoping to inspire others. Thank you so much for this, and thanks also to Clif High, who mentioned them on one of his recent Wujo's ... sincerely.

dianna
15th February 2013, 11:23
I am thrilled to have been able to read the English translations which adequately explain his presentation, and have "shared" a couple of the videos on my fb wall, hoping to inspire others. Thank you so much for this, and thanks also to Clif High, who mentioned them on one of his recent Wujo's ... sincerely.

Hi Linnet, where did you get english translations of his book --- Just yesterday I was looking to see if it had come out ---

Billy
1st April 2013, 13:42
I am thrilled to have been able to read the English translations which adequately explain his presentation, and have "shared" a couple of the videos on my fb wall, hoping to inspire others. Thank you so much for this, and thanks also to Clif High, who mentioned them on one of his recent Wujo's ... sincerely.

Hi Linnet, where did you get english translations of his book --- Just yesterday I was looking to see if it had come out ---

It seems that the new English translation is not yet available. I found the original English translation which had a few grammar errors perfectly acceptable. I will ask Mauro for an update on the new translation.

Jean-Marie
1st April 2013, 14:27
I contacted him and found that if I purchased the book in Italian or Spanish they would email me the English version. That is how I got the English version of the book.

-jean-marie

Billy
26th April 2013, 13:10
Mauro Biglino was interviewed on Paradigm Unhinged Radio yesterday. Mauro has a translator.

Quote from Mauro

Last night two hours of live radio (from 3 to 5) with the United States, in a constant and intense conversation with Jim Marrs, a world giant of alternative information and research: an incredible experience led masterfully by Todd Knurr.

Link to download show. Scroll to bottom to download show dated 4/24/13 http://paradigmunhinged.com/archives/

Enjoy

Billy
6th June 2013, 12:37
Why are there spaceships in Medieval art?

http://www.holy-bible-aliens.com/

http://sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_2_eng.htm

http://io9.com/5917914/why-are-there-spaceships-in-medieval-art

17238
Medieval art can sometimes surprise you, with its rich colors and expressive subjects. But sometimes, you're also caught off guard by the shock of noticing the presence of a guy in a spaceship in a painting of the crucifixion. Find out why there are so many UFOs in paintings from hundreds of years ago.

So, you are wandering around the streets of Metohia, Yugoslavia, as one does, and decide to spend some time in the Visoki Decani Monastery. You take in the atmosphere slowly, looking at the thickness of the walls — built in 1330 and still standing — and the wooden sarcophagus of King Stefan. And gradually you come up to the altar, looking at the fresco above it. Reading the informational sign next to it, you see that it was completed in 1350, which, you think, is fine, but could someone explain to you why someone in 1350 was doodling space ships above the scene of the crucifixion?

17239 To the left of Jesus, in the sky, is something that looks like a comet with a multifaceted trail behind it. One side, though, is transparent, and inside sits a small figure. In the sky on the far right of the painting is something that wouldn't look out of place in a drawing from the height of the 1960s space age. There's a rounded ship with a pointed nose cone in front, a transparent scooped window for a cockpit, and three turrets in the back that look like landing struts. The shape and aesthetic are so familiar that it's impossible to read as anything other than a spaceship.

That example is what people first point to when they talk about UFOs in medieval art, but it's not the only thing they point to. In other artwork there are golden disks shooting down lights that look like tractor beams onto the faithful. There are random ovals, with what look like wires coming out of them, over the shoulder of the Virgin Mary while she's holding the baby Jesus. There are disks in the sky in some paintings and what look like crude pictures of the flying saucer in the "I Want To Believe" poster above people's heads in others.

But the space ship in the Decani fresco is the most obvious picture of what we would think of as a spaceship. What are they?


read more here. http://io9.com/5917914/why-are-there-spaceships-in-medieval-art


peace

I thank WE-R-ONE for posting this short video on another thread.

shnAfWcU_e0

peace

marlowe
29th June 2013, 22:28
j4MXLB6SwPg

The writer is speaking Italian so I watched these videos with the sound off on full screen & just read the subtitles....I was already was aware that the god of the Old Testament was an ET but my mind was blown anyway.....He covers Moses & the 10 commandments & Cain & Able....
This information is MUST WATCH imho......The truth was covered up long ago when the Bible was "translated" for the masses.

Prepare to have your mid blown......This is AMAZING INFORMATION.!!!

@ Mods,,I don't think these vids have been posted already..but if they have please merge .:thumb:

MOD EDIT: Marlowe, thanks for bringing this important video to everyone's attention. There is another thread with this video and others -- Billyj has a previous thread of 10 pages. He prefers to leave this one, unmerged with his, but with a link to his. Here it is: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s

ghostrider
30th June 2013, 00:12
the god of the christian bible was an ancient Lyrian known as Jehovah, which means the cruel and unjust one ... he forced all earth religions into one and demanded blood scarifices in 3,010 bce ... Billy meier has an event timeline that goes back 46,000,000,000,000 years , and all the earth rulers/gods ...and then goes 10,000,000,000 years into our future ...

eaglespirit
30th June 2013, 00:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4MXLB6SwPg

The writer is speaking Italian so I watched these videos with the sound off on full screen & just read the subtitles....I was already was aware that the god of the Old Testament was an ET but my mind was blown anyway.....He covers Moses & the 10 commandments & Cain & Able....
This information is MUST WATCH imho......The truth was covered up long ago when the Bible was "translated" for the masses.

Prepare to have your mid blown......This is AMAZING INFORMATION.!!!

@ Mods,,I don't think these vids have been posted already..but if they have please merge .:thumb:

Thank You Marlowe..and Wishing You Well!

I do believe this was posted earlier, matters not, because it is excellent and needs to be seen by many, imho!

Mauro Biglino: Unexpected Bible - Translating it literally
j4MXLB6SwPg

Wind
30th June 2013, 02:11
the god of the christian bible was an ancient Lyrian known as Jehovah, which means the cruel and unjust one ... he forced all earth religions into one and demanded blood scarifices in 3,010 bce ...

I would have to agree. The "God" from the Bible seems to be a merciless and a demonic entity. Also the same kind of demonic entites or "gods" demanded blood sacrifices in Mexico so that explains the mayan blood sacrifices, but not all of them were bad... They just got tricked to killing each other. Looking at the world now, it seems that we are still under some kind of a spell, but we may hope that one day we will be free once again. All this started when the fall of Atlantis happened over 11 000 years ago, before that humans had a grid that protected them from evil forces. Pyramid power.

The true one Creator is love. Love demands nothing.

spiritguide
30th June 2013, 03:39
Is a fallen angel an extra terrestrial? The book of Enoch was taken out of the bible because it revealed what we are witnessing today.

The video is lenghtly but will give another perspective on the thread subject.....

F3ppHPVXflg

Hear what this prophet had to say.

Peace!

ghostrider
30th June 2013, 03:53
Is a fallen angel an extra terrestrial? The book of Enoch was taken out of the bible because it revealed what we are witnessing today.

The video is lenghtly but will give another perspective on the thread subject.....

F3ppHPVXflg

Hear what this prophet had to say.

Peace!

Enoch is also translated Henoch = The Henoch Prophecies , from the Nokodemjon line, a very high half spirit half human form more than 96 billion years old , the spirit that came to earth as Nokodemjon, Henoch, Elijah, Jerimiah, Immanuel, Mohammad ... Nokodemjon is the one responsible for the seeding of humans on earth ... henoch was on earth 389,000 years ago ...

lookbeyond
30th June 2013, 08:15
Ghostrider, you are a wealth of information! More pls,lb

Billy
30th June 2013, 10:46
The writer is speaking Italian so I watched these videos with the sound off on full screen & just read the subtitles....I was already was aware that the god of the Old Testament was an ET but my mind was blown anyway.....He covers Moses & the 10 commandments & Cain & Able....
This information is MUST WATCH imho......The truth was covered up long ago when the Bible was "translated" for the masses.

Prepare to have your mid blown......This is AMAZING INFORMATION.!!!

@ Mods,,I don't think these vids have been posted already..but if they have please merge .:thumb:






Thank You Marlowe..and Wishing You Well!

I do believe this was posted earlier, matters not, because it is excellent and needs to be seen by many, imho!


I agree with eaglespirit. This requires the light of day and needs to be seen by many.

But if you require more information you can find it here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s


peace.

GoodETxSG
30th June 2013, 15:47
WARNING...WORD FOR WORD...
This is almost an EXACT quote out of the Luciferian Texts... The Lyrian origins of Jahova are a mixture of the Luciferian and another ancient India cult text... not new to earth. Be careful my friend. There is a lot of good info in channeling and a lot of deception. When I worked at the Federal Reserve Bank there were those who knew my background working in certain insider programs.

They (Though EXTREMELY forbidden to approach people to "Witness" to them as Christians do) on many occasions invited me to visit Masonic Lodges, a couple of times I accepted and many times took me to lunch to discuss religion and the "TRUE" history of humanity and the great "LIES" of Jahova etc...

They went on to press me hard on several occasions about how the "LOGOS" of earth wanted his creations/beings to progress and they were not doing so. He approached the "Council of the Galaxy" for help/advice.

They sent a "Loving, selfless soul complex called the "Lucifer" soul group to the Sol system to work with the LOGOS of Earth. Their great plan to meet the LOGOS goals was to give a gift/ability that is "RARE TO THIS GALAXY"... that was "FREE WILL".

Jahova/Earths LOGOS was against it but was persuaded... "HE" decided that his creation loved him so much that they would worship and obey him no matter what. So, Lucifer "lovingly" gave us free will... and we turned on our creator/Earths LOGOS throwing the entire balance and natural progression of this Sol System out of whack.

The LOGOS was Jealous/Angered and caused great violence in the system trapping the poor innocent Lucifer Soul Complex here with the beings they tried to help... stuck here to incarnate until the rest of the population reached a level to ascend away from the terrible jealous God/LOGOS... The "poor" Luciferians have been misunderstood every since as they are doing "perceived evil" things to us to force us to grow quicker so that both we and they can ascend and escape from this prison planet.

This is DIRECTLY from ancient Luciferian texts and teachings... it has made its way into new age beliefs, then slowly into channeled "Alien" communications.

IMPORTANT NOTE: I respect and love all religions and those to who practice them. This is not me trying to be "Holier than thou", I am FAR from it. Just read this and follow your spirit and mind, find your truth... not the "truth" of another!

I am NOT one to POO POO ones beliefs... Be very careful what you wrap your mind around and bring into your heart. I know much of this has become more "Spirituality" than Science or OBJECTIVE Investigative Study into our past, and a way through the lies of our oral and written history.

One must be very careful what you bring into your belief system. It becomes a religion to you. You then become bias, non objective and completely closed minded to new ideas and information. It is a very slippery slope that I have seen people slide all the way down into a deep dark hole.

These were highly educated and talented investigators working with/for the "Government". Some of this is done by design to sidetrack intelligent people that are seen as a threat, those that if remain "CLEAR of MIND" could very well get too close to the reality/realities of what is really going on.

No offence, I do not want to step on your religion/beliefs... I am saying BE CAREFUL!!!

Again, I personally have been involved in some programs all of which has "Luciferians" in management or higher levels of power. I personally have seen and read much of the Channeled information out there much of which is highly Luciferian influenced. This is not a Christian vs Satan discussion. This is about people that BELIEVE as much in Lucifer and "Its" teachings as the NAZI's did Hitler and Marxists did Karl Marx... it is a belief system. Just like Nazi and Marxist beliefs have made their way into mainstream ideas so also has Lucifers.

His agents and apostle's are many, they do not have horns or reptilian eyes... They have been some of the most mild mannered and intelligent people I have ever rubbed shoulders with. I would hazard to guess you have too.

Be careful what seeds you allow to be planted in your fertile mind my friends...



the god of the christian bible was an ancient Lyrian known as Jehovah, which means the cruel and unjust one ... he forced all earth religions into one and demanded blood scarifices in 3,010 bce ... Billy meier has an event timeline that goes back 46,000,000,000,000 years , and all the earth rulers/gods ...and then goes 10,000,000,000 years into our future ...

Youniverse
30th June 2013, 16:57
When we conceptualize and over-conceptualize what God is(and what anything is for that matter) we fragment reality into something that barely resembles the truth. God is an ET? Ok. But you could just as easily say God is a flower, or a deer, or a tree, a human, a galaxy, a universe, etc. All is God. When we say "the God of the Christian Bible" we're further fragmenting God into something else entirely foreign to the reality of God. Once you stop identifying with thought forms(concepts), at least primarily, and connect with formless consciousness, the totality of what God is becomes clearer. But even this is a starting point. The so-called God of the Christian Bible only seems demonic because the tiniest grain of spiritual truth within this book has been obscured by countless layers of distortion, misinterpretation, and dysfunction. All this was done by humans, not God. Yes humans are God on one level, but most of us have forgotten this fact. So to say anything that represents God is demonic is far from accurate. Yes God is also the yin and the yang, the alpha and omega, the good and the evil, viewed from a world of duality. God had to create that which God is not in order to fully be that which God is. From this perspective God's purpose is fulfilled through evil as much as it is through good. What God IS only becomes clearer through seeing or contrasting with what God is not. We've done a pretty good job on this planet of manifesting what God is not, through the ego and its many creations. All this brings up many paradoxes that are inevitable when we try to grasp the ungraspable with the human mind. God is everything so God IS what God is not. Try to wrap your mind around that one, but this statement reflects the higher purpose and ultimate truth of God.

Again, you could say "God" (depending on what that word and the reality it implies means to you) is an ET, but you could just as easily say a human is an ET. And by the way, all the so-called evil or malevolent works done on this planet or any planet for that matter(or in outer space far from any planet) emanate from a kind of forgetfulness of being(the entity forgetting who they really are) and thus operating through the dysfunction of the ego instead of from their consciousness. This is how all the wars, all the dysfunction, all the turmoil and drama in relationships have been created since day one.

Titan Orion
30th June 2013, 17:21
I dont really see how the video in the OP proves anything on the matter either way. It is just another interpretation of an ancient text that happens to support the idea of ancient astronauts, which is a valid possibility, but we are still dealing with mutliple translations before we even get to the Old Testament. The guy says himself that Hebrew will not have existed as a language in the time of Moses. He is simply quoting other peoples interpretations to support his own, which is what everyone in known history has done.

EDIT to remove borderline Bible bashery. Apologies

ghostrider
30th June 2013, 18:26
Ghostrider, you are a wealth of information! More pls,lb

thanks , I am nothing ... there is a written history of earth from 46 trillion years ago up to 10 billion years in the future... yeah I know it sounds fantiastic , look at the hubble pictures of the eye of God, it's in the Lyra co m nstellation, that is the original home of humans... we were brought here...Billy Meier has an event timeline on the future of mankind website , along with mountians of pages of contact notes over 67 years of face to face talking with these people ... the bermuda triangle, mermaids, titans, wars, insurrections, killings of popes, you name it ...every explanatin you can think of told by people not from earth who can time travel , and have a connection with earth humans, their forefathers are our forefathers ... I simply read the notes ...

Billy
30th June 2013, 19:47
I dont really see how the video in the OP proves anything on the matter either way. It is just another interpretation of an ancient text that happens to support the idea of ancient astronauts, which is a valid possibility, but we are still dealing with mutliple translations before we even get to the Old Testament. The guy says himself that Hebrew will not have existed as a language in the time of Moses. He is simply quoting other peoples interpretations to support his own, which is what everyone in known history has done.

My view is that the Bible should no longer be considered an account of history. The longer we continue to agonise over the details, the more we continue this same old debate, no matter how many new ideas it can be stretched to support.

Mauro Biglino only translates literally with no vowels (meaning or personal interpretation) which were added much later. Mauro explains here.




Mauro is a translator of masoretic Hebrew,

The Vatican published 17 volumes from the Old Testement,

Mauro recommends that we do not buy them,

Mauro splits Jewish words into single components,

The unpublished books the Vatican still hold are Joshua and Judges,

Anything Mauro says, does not go against anyone's personal faith,


We think of the bible as a book "arranged" a thousand years ago, Not so, It was "Fixed" between the 7th and 9th century AD. 600 t0 800 AD

Out of all the schools which were the Palestinian, Samaritan, Babylonian and Tiberian, It was the family of the Tiberian School,

The family name is Moshed Ben Aaron Ben Asaer that defined the bible as we know it now,

If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.

One problem those gentlemen did not have was the "linguistic question" they never asked themselves.
They were interested in only their, "theological thought"

So the only thing we should know for certain, is that the only certainly we have is, That we know that we do not know

We do not know even how the bible was vocalized when they wrote it.

At this time when most of the biblical events happened above all, The fundamental ones. Hebrew did not even exist.

Moses did not speak Hebrew, When in the desert they did not speak Jewish, During the exodus if you like,

I add. If we do not remember the past we do not learn and tend to repeat it.

peace

Observer1964
30th June 2013, 19:54
It is remarkable to see how much it resembles the sumerian tablet translation and the terra papers. and I think it makes more sense than any other explanation, evolution (science) or creation (religion).

WhiteFeather
30th June 2013, 21:59
Interesting so far, can someone post the other 5 parts to this. Im a tad impatient. I tried for 5 minutes. I gave up.

Titan Orion
30th June 2013, 22:33
I dont really see how the video in the OP proves anything on the matter either way. It is just another interpretation of an ancient text that happens to support the idea of ancient astronauts, which is a valid possibility, but we are still dealing with mutliple translations before we even get to the Old Testament. The guy says himself that Hebrew will not have existed as a language in the time of Moses. He is simply quoting other peoples interpretations to support his own, which is what everyone in known history has done.

My view is that the Bible should no longer be considered an account of history. The longer we continue to agonise over the details, the more we continue this same old debate, no matter how many new ideas it can be stretched to support.

Mauro Biglino only translates literally with no vowels (meaning or personal interpretation) which were added much later. Mauro explains here.




Mauro is a translator of masoretic Hebrew,

The Vatican published 17 volumes from the Old Testement,

Mauro recommends that we do not buy them,

Mauro splits Jewish words into single components,

The unpublished books the Vatican still hold are Joshua and Judges,

Anything Mauro says, does not go against anyone's personal faith,


We think of the bible as a book "arranged" a thousand years ago, Not so, It was "Fixed" between the 7th and 9th century AD. 600 t0 800 AD

Out of all the schools which were the Palestinian, Samaritan, Babylonian and Tiberian, It was the family of the Tiberian School,

The family name is Moshed Ben Aaron Ben Asaer that defined the bible as we know it now,

If someone else had defined the bible, we would have a potentially different bible, Why? because the first bible

was written as a sequence of consonants, that means that the work done by those guys named masorets, "The keepers of tradition"
was in the first place to determine the word, that can be split and determined in many different ways.

The second work they made was inserting the "vowels" which actually means inserting the "meaning" of the words.

One problem those gentlemen did not have was the "linguistic question" they never asked themselves.
They were interested in only their, "theological thought"

So the only thing we should know for certain, is that the only certainly we have is, That we know that we do not know

We do not know even how the bible was vocalized when they wrote it.

At this time when most of the biblical events happened above all, The fundamental ones. Hebrew did not even exist.

Moses did not speak Hebrew, When in the desert they did not speak Jewish, During the exodus if you like,

I add. If we do not remember the past we do not learn and tend to repeat it.

peace

I agree with that, apologies if what I said earlier gave offense. I just sometimes wish we could move on from the Bible but that is easy for me to say since I am not religious. Although if Im honest I wouldnt class myself as athiest either...

I am going to edit my previous post since my own beliefs arent based on anything more concrete and I dont have the right to say something like the Bible shouldnt be classed as a historical document. Its a bit of a strong comment regardless of what I believe, I hope nobody was offended

Observer1964
30th June 2013, 22:37
Interesting so far, can someone post the other 5 parts to this. Im a tad impatient. I tried for 5 minutes. I gave up.

It has been posted here;
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38941-Biglino-s-Unexpected-Bible-Translating-it-literally-UFO-s&p=406551&viewfull=1#post406551

MorningSong
24th November 2013, 18:49
Biglino has a new book out here in Italy.

The Title is “La Bibbia Non è un Libro Sacro: Il Grande Inganno” which translates as "The Bible is not a Sacred Book: the Big Trick (or lie)".

http://www.maurobiglino.it/

Billy
25th November 2013, 20:51
Thank you Morning Song. Maybe you can translate some text and share it here.

I see there is a free PDF 15 page preview of the new book. But i do not understand how to download it. Can Anyone assist??

http://www.maurobiglino.it/?tag=scarica-anteprima-bibbia-non-sacro

EDIT:

I found some extracts from the book. Google translated.

THE BIBLE AND " A Book Of WAR"

Preview "The Bible is not a holy book."
The Bible is a book of war.
bible is a book of massacres.
bible is a book of ethnic cleansing.
And these wars, these massacres, ethnic cleansings these were carried out by its biblical god!

THE BOOK OF DANIEL

The Book of Daniel belongs to the so-called "apocalyptic literature," and was probably composed around the second century BC, written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and greek, tells stories acclimatized in the era of the Babylonian exile (597 BC), although the broader historical context in which they frame the facts is very wide: it goes 600-160 BC.

THE ODD MAN OUT

Abandoning the complexity of these analyzes, we would like to add an extra element that finds its justification in the wider knowledge of the theories that are spreading about possible alien origins of human civilization.
Add to the controversy going on a consideration of a fact: the Greeks have not taken care of the possible variations of meaning, ie they are not committed to establish whether there has been a fall or a voluntary descent, they have directly translated the term [Nephilim] with γιγαντες, "giants."

THE ANGELIC HIERARCHIES IN THE TRADITION

Let us now briefly summarize the contents of the most popular traditions that, in essence, show the existence of various orders of angels differentiated based on the hierarchical position and the duties performed.
Each of the orders would receive the divine spirituality of specific gifts such as light, science, well ... with the task of transmitting to humans.

A CONTROVERSIAL FINDING

And perhaps we also have the proof of a god (Elohim, Guardian, Neteru) died.
In Egypt, in the plain of the pyramids of Giza in 1945 was in fact discovered a pyramid that contained the mummified body of an individual with particular characteristics: about two meters high, with elongated skull and enlarged posteriorly, very large eye sockets, in short, pointed chin ... , a skeleton definitely not human!

ORIGINAL SIN?

On the story just told is grafted ethical and theological concept of original sin and the consequent condemnation of the alleged descendants of Adam by "God."
We used the word alleged because shortly explain that might not even be a punishment, but a much more immediate and in some ways much more reassured to humanity and to his fears about the possible eternal destiny: we will see in closing chapter.


THE FORMATION OF THE BIBLE

The birth of a "history book" as the Bible was not the product of a rapid and singular event, the outcome of unique inspiration, but rather the result of a long evolution that lasted for centuries.
At the base of the first five books - the Pentateuch for Christians, Torah for Jews - for example, there are various traditions or sources:


THE GENESIS SEEMS TO CONFIRM THE ALIEN ORIGINS OF MAN

A big surprise awaits the literal translator: the story of the "training" of man.
Not by chance you used the term "training" this is fact, and not of "creation."
The specific verses confirm the stories that Sitchin attributes the Sumerians and represent an admirable synthesis.
As we explained in detail in the preceding text, the prefixes used, the words that indicate the "image and
similarity ", contrary to traditional interpretations, tell us that we have been" trained "using
that "something material that contained the image of Elohim" and that "it was cut off from the Elohim themselves."


THE ABDUCTION OF ENOCH

The privilege of traveling on the machines of Elohim was not exclusive to Elijah, in fact, had already been granted to the patriarch Enoch!
Sixth descendant of Adam on the genealogy of the Sethites, the son of Jared, Enoch, Methuselah generates in turn, the grandfather of Noah


THE GENESIS SEEMS TO CONFIRM THE ALIEN ORIGINS OF MAN

A big surprise awaits the literal translator: the story of the "training" of man.
Not by chance you used the term "training" this is fact, and not of "creation." The specific verses confirm the stories that Sitchin attributes the Sumerians and represent an admirable synthesis.

Billy
25th November 2013, 21:12
And More. http://www.maurobiglino.it/?cat=7&paged=2


It's useful and interesting to recall that the term "Old Testament" is a Covenant, the old one in fact, an agreement between an Elohim who made a proposal and a people who has accepted it.

THE HELLENISM

This term indicates the historical period of Greek civilization that goes by the expedition of Alexander the Great in Asia until undisputed assertion of the primacy of Rome, and then you go 323-31 BC.

THE CHURCH AND THE ALIENS ...

What does the Church in relation to the existence of extraterrestrials and the knowledge that the Bible had?
But not everyone knows that the Church today has established itself as the obvious existence of extraterrestrials.

THE MEMORY OF "SUPERIOR BEINGS" ...

All possible questions become meaningless if we try to think that religions are born as an attempt to rebuild, reinvent, retry a contact with beings who were considered superior

THE PLAGUE ON ISRAEL

A third intervention required on this "angel of death" is in the second book of Samuel, where, in chapter 24, we describe a census ordered by King David. The census, however, was an act contrary to the will of Elohim, which then strikes the people with the plague. The text says - with accuracy that "journalism" that already [...]

CLARIFICATIONS ON "THE BIBLE AND THE SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN"

A few days ago we published the post "The Bible and the subjugation of women" that has given rise to many questions and requests for clarification. So we asked Alexander and Alex De Angelis, authors of the article that we remember to be taken from the book "Beyond the mind of God" by James and Alex De Angelis, due out in late July (Infinity Publishers), to clarify the issue and answer questions from users.


ELIJAH


The life and work of Elijah is told in the two books of Kings (1 Kings 17.1 and 2 Kings 2:25). Eliyahu His name meant "my El Yahweh", which means "My God is Yahweh" and in fact worked as a prophet of this Elohim.


THE EXTERMINATING ANGEL

It remains to make a clarification that will appear immediately apparent to the reader who wants to deepen what we have said and read in their entirety the texts cited: the presence of malakhìm often inspires fear, terror, is almost never reassuring, many of those who see them to believe they can not survive the event. We are therefore very far from [...]


INDIRECT EVIDENCE?

Summary theories that are being widely spread for the sole purpose of addressing, as a result, the reading of Old Testament passages whose literal meaning seems to recall a vision of divinity very concrete, material, and likely non-terrestrial origin.


BRIEF REFLECTION ON "THE GODS WHO CAME FROM OUTER SPACE?"

A brief reflection taken from "The book that will forever change our ideas about the Bible - The gods that came from outer space?". Chapter 1. Anaqiti: the Anunnaki? Page 40. The hypothesis we put forward are certainly fascinating, but it is mainly supported by more than curious correspondences in texts that were considered for the most part [...]

peace

Billy
5th March 2014, 20:17
I just popped into Mauro's FB page and thought i would translate and share this.

YAHWEH liked a wee tipple with his burnt offerings :cheers:


YAHWEH, FAT BURNING SMOKING AND ALCOHOL
By Mauro Biglino on Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 3:08 pm
YAHWEH, FAT BURNING SMOKING AND ALCOHOL

In the book ALIEN THE GOD OF THE BIBLE I have devoted about 30 pages to document how Yahweh wants to smell the smoke of burnt animal fat entirely.

My statements have provoked harsh reactions from philologists-Judeo-Christian theologians who argued that I invented the meanings of the terms.
After showing at various conferences pages of dictionaries of biblical Hebrew in which they confirmed my translations now offer some more elements, enriched by information that shows an even more serious aspect of psychology and neurophysiology of that individual who has been God did become

In chapters 28 and 29 of the book of Numbers is repeated eight times the statement on the capacity that the "smoke" had to "appease" the Elohim and Yahweh in particular.
The statements are present in normal translation in the Bibles we have at home.
I invite you to read and verify directly the following verses:

Numbers 28, 2.6.8.13.24
Numbers 29, 6:13:36

But what is even more amazing (thinking of Yahweh as God) is that each of those sacrifices had to be accompanied by a libation to do with a drink whose characteristic is described in Numbers 28.7, where Yahweh recalls that must be prepared the drink "intoxicating."

In this regard it is useful to clarify the concept. Intoxicate: to make drunk, drunk. Shekar, SHAKUR, SHIKARON, Shakar (Hebrew Dictionaries): strong drink, intoxicating drink, alcoholic beverage, drunk, drunk, drunk, drunk, be or become drunk, drunken, drunken make ... Root SH - K - R (Dictionary of Hebrew etymology, Rabbi Matityahu Clark): get drunk, being drunk and intoxicated, express unreal thoughts.






The Hebrew root has this unique meaning in the various steps in which it appears in the Old Testament.

I invite you to read and verify an example - among the many possible - the following verses:

January 9,21, Is 29,9; Isaiah 5:11, Isaiah 9:26, Isaiah 63.6, 1 Sam 1:14; 2Sam11, 13, Jer 13:13, Jer 51.7; Ger 561.39; Ez 23,33 Ab 2.15; Dt 32.42; Lv 10,9 ... etc etc ...


So many passages of the Bible shows that smoke fat and alcoholic beverage had to be constant elements in the "sacrifices" prepared for him.

PS
In Gen 9.20 to 21 it is stated that Noah, after the flood, "he began to be a farmer and planted a vineyard, drank wine ... got drunk ..."

Even at the Anunna (Sumer) was widespread in the habit of taking alcoholic beverages
ENKI AND ninmah
Text prepared by: Benito, Van Dijk, Pettinato, Borger.
Translation: Jacobsen, Bottéro-Kramer, Seux, Kramer-Maier, Pettinato, Romer.
LL. 45 et seq.
ENKI ... organizes a banquet ... eat shoots of cane sugar, bread, goat ... ENKI ninmah and drink beer ... their minds on the stars and opens up a race between the two ...

For 70 of the Greek Bible is the sicera drink (intoxicating drink), probably a kind of cider.
In the ancient culture of the Aegean Sea, mead - fermented honey also known as the drink of the gods - was used as a psychoactive substance in religious contexts.





Peace


Also an interesting article in the Milano Post, Referring Mauro in the article.

http://www.milanopost.info/2014/02/15/religioni-e-vita-extraterrestre-un-rapporto-controverso-ancora-per-poco/


Milan February 15 - Over the past decades have seen a proliferation in the world in the number of debates on the question of whether there is intelligent extraterrestrial life. The approaches to this issue are the most diverse. Often the result of abstruse theories about UFOs. The scientific world has always faced with the question of lead foot. Equally true for the major religions for thousands of years that they teach their believers in creation that between man and the Deity is an exclusive relationship. In recent years, however, something seems to have moved towards a new direction that could also have implications "revolutionary." In Italy, for example, to "break the ice" on this topic had thought of the late Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian who had Roman, albeit timidly, open to the possibility that humanity is not the only form of intelligent life the Universe. He had made ​​a man of the funesChurch, namely giving his thesis a theological foundation in the scriptures. Monsignor Balducci remember it like it is written in the Psalms, "The Lord's is the earth, the universe and its inhabitants" ( v. . 24:1). According to the prelate, this sentence would mean that there may be other life forms intermediate between man and the angelic intelligences. Not only Monsignor Balducci was never denied, but in 2008 the Jesuit Father José Gabriel Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory (Vatican Astronomical Observatory), in an interview to '"Osservatoe Romano" called The extraterrestrial is my brother insisted too ' he the possibility that there are life forms in creation than man. " In my opinion - said Funes - this possibility exists. Astronomers believe that the universe is made ​​up of a hundred billion galaxies, each of which is composed of a hundred billion stars. Many of these, or almost all, could have planets. How can you exclude that life has developed elsewhere? ".

SNIP:

Married on a more "secular" is instead the scholar and essayist Piedmont Mauro Biglino, which offers a more direct and less shy than others, starting with an analysis of the text (old) Masoretic (contained in the Codex Lenigradensis ) from which is derived version of the so-called "stuttgartense" of the Bible in use today in Western Christianity ( Biblia Stuttgartensia , to be clear that we have at home). Biglino, who has Mauro-Biglino-2studied the Hebrew language in the Jewish community of Turin and in the past has been a translator for the editions of St. Paul, provides a literal interpretation of the biblical text, exposing errors and contradictions that would reveal a different nature of the facts narrated about the ' origin of mankind and the relationship with Elohim , a term which in the Bible is interpreted and translated as "God the Creator". For Biglino, or according to its literal translation and reading, "Elohim" (plural form, with which in Hebrew is conventionally the "deity") would indicate a set of celestial beings, but not divine, which would have created man .

Needless to say, as this reading has aroused strong controversy giving him even threats to his personal safety. Nevertheless, he holds regular conferences to present his books, translated in other countries, are always crowded by an audience interested and involved. To us, that we went to attend one of them to get to know and interview him, has explained how his last book in the Bible there is no creation (One Publishers), released in November last year, has so far sold more than twenty thousand copies. Some of the criticisms addressed to him also stem from the fact that he has stated in the past that he was a member of the community Masonic Grand Lodge of Italy (Freemasonry in Scotland). For this reason, some critics argue that he has received input from Freemasonry to publish his books "heretics" that contradict the dogmatic version of the Bible. " Nothing more wrong "who responded, explaining that indeed" are some Masons who sometimes call me to give lectures inside behind closed doors because they are themselves who want to learn the facts that I'm writing and saying about the Bible.

More Here: http://www.milanopost.info/2014/02/15/religioni-e-vita-extraterrestre-un-rapporto-controverso-ancora-per-poco/

STR
7th March 2014, 17:35
Actually, as soon as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!



people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree

and i've never heard any sage or saint say so




Just curious. How can you say this? You just heard a sage say so in the first video. :-) In fact he goes into quite a bit of detail of how we were a trial and error experiment and if anything the bible and current events confirm this. You can wathc with on going real time genetic experiments reported near daily by experiencers as well as records through time of the same types of events (Rip Van Winkle classic abduction missing time, time travel and more) passed down through myth and legend tales all confirms we are indeed a live ongoing experiment, created by a superior intelligence that apparently likes the smell of burning meat.

In my writings on my blog I cover it as not just an experiment but a purposeful bio energy generator for life forms outside our range of ability to detect but obviously at times they are detected, even written about and remembered by some but it has always been this way since they arrived and created us. The effort to keep us subdued and subservient may be more the shadow gov. guys I'm not so sure the originators bother with us much as they have plenty of their own stock of humans that never left their protected area so why would they need them? Unless they have another garden they are starting on another world or something. That is my guess. They came here from another world, outliving their own sun system through their technology. They found a planet similar and came here and were unable to adapt fast enough to survive themselves so they had to hybridize to adapt to this sun system with life from this system. Otherwise the woman could not reproduce without genetic means through the labs which has all kinds of longevity problems. The same thing would happen to us and NASA knows it. If our sun and moon system died our woman's menstrual cycles would go haywire as every other creature here did also and none would be able to reproduce in short order. Same if we leave our system flying in a ship. So I doubt these originators are here in large numbers if at all. Just the smarter of us down here on this rock they made up before dying off I guess.

Observer1964
16th July 2014, 17:48
Maybe we were meant as experiment, or more likely a work-slave species, but who knows they were inspired by a higher intelligence.

From what i understand Enki wanted us to be loose of the Empire.

dianna
27th August 2014, 12:36
English version of Mauro's book is now available on Kindle

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51jD3z45mYL._AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-47,22_AA300_SH20_OU15_.jpg

http://www.amazon.ca/forever-change-ideas-about-Bible-ebook/dp/B00GX5OHYQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409142197&sr=1-1&keywords=mauro+biglino

Billy
17th August 2016, 09:20
I am adding Mauro Biglino's latest interview, It is good to hear an interview in English with an Italian translator. :thumbsup:

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Hervé
17th August 2016, 15:21
Mauro Biglino's "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8cZZ8vNfLrRSXZXNmtqbG84WGs/view?usp=sharing)"

PDF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8cZZ8vNfLrRSXZXNmtqbG84WGs/view?usp=sharing

Billy
19th August 2016, 10:44
Thank you for the PDF Link Herve :clapping:

I bought the ebook when it was first released a few years ago, It is good to see a free version now. i recommend everyone to read this book.

DNA
19th August 2016, 11:38
Actually, as soon as he released "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE", the Vatican suspended all further publications of Mauro Biglino's works: Let's discover why!



people are popping up all over the place saying humanity is an ET experiment but the Bible does not agree

and i've never heard any sage or saint say so


still there is an orchestrated effort trying to convince humanity of it's subservient status to ET

so when they arrive with UFOs en masse people will acknowledge and admit second class status


for who can argue against the hypothesis of humanity as an ET experiment when ETs and UFOs are standing right in front of us ?


i tell you before they come that what you see is not what it is or to be less cryptic they come from Hell

Sorry to say but the original texts of the bible does agree, It is the translation of the bible that does not agree, Hell does not exist, Whether postive or negative All beings come from the universe including ourselves, I have read the Bible many times as a book starting at page one. Inside the bible there are HUNDREDS of mentions of Flying Crafts, Including the one Yahwey came in and spoke to Moses on the mount.

Out of interest have you listened to the whole conference in the video's above.


Hell does not exist.
Hell wasn't even mentioned in the Bible until the fifth century BC. This being because Judea was invaded by the Persian Empire and then occupied under a very lienent rule allowing the citizens to continue practicing their religion virtually unmolested.
Interesting fact, Satan has no origin in Judaism, it is in fact from Zoroastrianism.
The Persian Empire at the time they had conquered Judea practiced the religion of one God and they abhorred polytheism, which is what most of the world practiced at the time. Zoroastrianism along with being the religion of one God, also is credited with being the first dualistically principled religion with in fact being monotheistic.
Judea after 100 years of being occupied by the Persians picked up on the Satan figure practiced in Zoroastrianism and incorporated it into their own religion.

Tangri
20th August 2016, 06:23
Ezekiel's Galgal was represented at Star Gate serials at two occasions to the gentiles.

Atlas
12th February 2017, 17:28
Mauro Biglino: "God's glory or flying chariot" - The ancient Testament makes us understand that the glory of Jahwèh was in reality an UFO whose effects on Mosè are extremely clear and explanatory.
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Mauro Biglino: "Alien's Children" - The story of man's creation contained in the Genesis tells us that we have been done with the Dna of the Elohìms, confirming the theses that Sitchin draws from the translations of the stories of the Sumeris.
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Related thread: projectavalon.net/Leak Project 21st July 2016 | Mauro Biglino & Gerald Clark (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92029-Leak-Project-21st-July-2016-Mauro-Biglino-Gerald-Clark-The-Book-that-will-forever-change-our-ideas-about-the-Bible&p=1083539&viewfull=1#post1083539)

Foxie Loxie
12th February 2017, 18:14
This is wonderful, Atlas! :highfive: Thank you for posting the related threads also. I am amazed that this man hasn't been taken out for revealing what the Old Testament stories REALLY are about! Once I started my own search I have always wondered, "Why doesn't it matter that we do not have a correct literal translation of the books contained in our Bible?" The O.T. stories make complete sense when one recognizes the interventions were done by a "higher being"....NOT the Creator of All! Then, taking into consideration the findings of Joseph Atwill, we have a neat little package that has been used to control humanity & influence history. That is MY conclusion, anyways....don't mean to offend anyone! :Angel:

gnostic9
13th March 2017, 02:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbzVMr9xnyQ


This is from a radio show 2015. Mauro Biglino has studied and translated the hebrew version of the bible and compared it with the version that is more commonly known, and found a completely different story. The story does not mention god, but talks about the ET's that manipulated our dna and divided the planet between them. It seems the annunaki, elohim etc were/are not much different to the elite controllers today, Jim Marrs gives his take on the story.

I checked to see if this had been posted before and found no results, but if it has been, mods delete.

Love peace and joy to all!

Atlas
21st March 2017, 00:22
Mauro Biglino only translates literally with no vowels (meaning or personal interpretation) which were added much later.
Apparently, the Quran has a similar issue of later added vowel markings that change the meaning of the word:
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Wide-Eyed
31st March 2017, 13:06
Mauro Biglino's "THE BOOK THAT WILL FOREVER CHANGE OUR IDEAS ABOUT THE BIBLE - THE GODS COMING FROM SPACE (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8cZZ8vNfLrRSXZXNmtqbG84WGs/view?usp=sharing)"

PDF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8cZZ8vNfLrRSXZXNmtqbG84WGs/view?usp=sharing


Bumpity bump bump, stellar posts Billy and Herve'

Soullight
18th June 2018, 08:53
This Vatican scholar’s book supposedly explains the factual history of the ancient Sumerian tablets information of the Annunanki and shows how this information is older than the oldest sections of the Bible, and how the authors of the old testament Bible (along with other ancient text) clearly copied or took from these writings, etc.

FREE (possibly for a limited time)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/541n2nj5xewf5bh/The%20Book%20That%20Will%20Forever%20Change%20Our% 20Ideas%20About%20the%20Bible-Mauro%20Biglino%20%282013%29-fixed%20margins.pdf?dl=0

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/7tbags/the_book_that_will_forever_change_our_ideas_about/

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As a side note, one of my theories is that these Annunanki, who may be in fact those behind the so called illuminati, are creating so much chaos in our world now, confusing everything, making people not trust anything, etc, that such an agenda is to herald in their final deception, alien invasion or alien return. When everything is crazy and nothing/no-one is trustworthy, AND people are numb and nothing would suprise them anymore, this is the best time to introduce to society an advance alien species (our creators) who obviously have their act together and can teach us the so called ”proper way” saving us from our self destruction.

The final lie quote WruCxsh8mfw

Bill Ryan
18th June 2018, 10:10
Merged with a couple of longstanding threads. :thumbsup: The book is also in the Avalon Library, here:


http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Mauro%20Biglino%20-%20The%20Book%20That%20Will%20Forever%20Change%20O ur%20Ideas%20About%20the%20Bible%20-%20The%20Gods%20Coming%20From%20Space.pdf

Hervé
18th June 2018, 14:02
As for the origins of the texts slapped together to constitute THE Bible -- whether Biglino's or anyone else's -- check this post and thread: Re: Here: The So-called "Word Of God" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86384-Here-The-So-called-Word-Of-God&p=1131232&viewfull=1#post1131232)

Foxie Loxie
18th June 2018, 14:23
Right on, Herve!!!! :llama:

This is the article that helped me with getting my head on straight!! :Party: Recently Lionel has been questioning all this "religion" stuff(good questions, by the way) & it is interesting to see the canned answers & remarks by his followers. Hopefully, he will get some to start using Critical Thinking! (I know so well the canned answers....used to give them myself!)

:star::star::star: This is a highly recommended article! :star::star::star:

what is a name?
18th June 2018, 14:34
So if the Annunaki where the 'creators' of the upgraded 'chimp', then how did they get the Soul to inhabit this new biological 'creation'?

From what I understand the Soul is 'an eternal spark of Creation', a 'part of the Godhead', and as such only 'God' can create.

Was 'trickery' involved? Or was it the 'temptation of the flesh' of being incarnate in this 3rd density and being able to experience the pleasures of the senses? Or both?

And then the trapdoor of incarnation shut..... until now:happythumbsup:

gord
18th June 2018, 15:05
For 70 of the Greek Bible is the sicera drink (intoxicating drink), probably a kind of cider.
In the ancient culture of the Aegean Sea, mead - fermented honey also known as the drink of the gods - was used as a psychoactive substance in religious contexts.

From The Vaults of Erowid (https://erowid.org/animals/bee/bee_info1.shtml):


There are three categories of plants that are associated with toxic honey: 1) plants whose nectar or pollen kills bees before they can transform it into honey (e.g. locoweed [Astralagus lentiginosus], Veratrum californicum, Vernonia spp.); 2) plants whose nectar is harmless to bees but when turned into honey becomes toxic/inebriating to humans (e.g. oleander [Nerium oleander], thorn apple [Datura spp.]. angel's trumpet [Brugmansia spp.], mountain laurel [Kalmia spp.], false jasmine [Gelsemium sempervirens], Euphorbia marginata, Serjania lethalis); and 3) known poisonous plants that are harmless to bees and yield edible and often exquisite honey (e.g., Rhustoxicodendron, Metopium toxiferum, Jatropha curcas, Baccharis halimifolia, Ricinus communis) (Morton 1964, 415).

Xenophon (ca. 430-355 B.C.E.) reported in his Anabis that soldiers became inebriated and poisoned by the honey that had been produced from the Pontic rhododendron (Rhododendron ponticum L.) and apparently from a red-flowering oleander (Nerium oleander L.: cf. Rätsch 1995, 267 f.) (Roth et al. 1994, 615). "In modern terms, they 'got high.' . . . This condition did not last long amongst the Greeks and quickly abated" (Rüdiger 1974, 93). The toxicological literature refers to this Pontic (Turkish) honey as "mad honey" or "toxic honey of Asia Minor" (Fühner 1943, 203). This inebriating honey was well known in ancient times (Krause 1926; Plugge 1891), and it may have been involved with the Dionysian frenzies:

In the district on the Pontus, among the people of the Sanni, there is a kind of honey that is known as maenomenon ["mad maker"] because of the insanity it induces. It is thought that this is caused by the flowers of the oleanders [Rhododendron], which abound in the woods. (Pliny 21.77)

Chris
18th June 2018, 15:21
So if the Annunaki where the 'creators' of the upgraded 'chimp', then how did they get the Soul to inhabit this new biological 'creation'?

From what I understand the Soul is 'an eternal spark of Creation', a 'part of the Godhead', and as such only 'God' can create.

Was 'trickery' involved? Or was it the 'temptation of the flesh' of being incarnate in this 3rd density and being able to experience the pleasures of the senses? Or both?

And then the trapdoor of incarnation shut..... until now:happythumbsup:

I believe the answer can be found in Hinduism and Buddhism. They believe in the evolution of the soul. All of us started from simple forms of life at the beginning of creation and moved on to more complex ones with each incarnation. We already existed as the Self, the spark of life from the very beginning, but our "souls" were basically that of simple single cell organisms initially. We started out as first density, almost non-living (though there is no such thing), then moved on to second density, first as single cell, then multiple cell organisms. When we were already hominids, such as Homo Erectus and others, some sort of outside "upgrade" was carried out to move us into third density and give us self-awareness.

The Movie 2001 Space Odyssey depicts this very well actually, though perhaps in a slightly naive and materialistic manner. The point is the soul was there all the time, but it evolved to higher levels of complexity and consciousness from one life to the next.

As for the original Self or "eternal spark of creation", Indeed it was part of what you would call the Godhead. There are many contrasting stories as to what happened next. Some say the One wanted to become many to experience existence, so it divided itself into discarnate souls and dual opposites, such as male and female. It was the polarity inherent in this duality that allowed creation to happen. Presumably, the creation of good and evil had to be a part of it. If there was a polarity between good and evil, a universe of evil, with its own creator must be necessarily part of this process. That is presumably what is referred to as the demiurge by gnostic thought. I don't know if we'll ever find the real truth about this, but it is fascinating to think about it.

Flash
18th June 2018, 15:41
So if the Annunaki where the 'creators' of the upgraded 'chimp', then how did they get the Soul to inhabit this new biological 'creation'?

From what I understand the Soul is 'an eternal spark of Creation', a 'part of the Godhead', and as such only 'God' can create.

Was 'trickery' involved? Or was it the 'temptation of the flesh' of being incarnate in this 3rd density and being able to experience the pleasures of the senses? Or both?

And then the trapdoor of incarnation shut..... until now:happythumbsup:

I believe the answer can be found in Hinduism and Buddhism. They believe in the evolution of the soul. All of us started from simple forms of life at the beginning of creation and moved on to more complex ones with each incarnation. We already existed as the Self, the spark of life from the very beginning, but our "souls" were basically that of simple single cell organisms initially. We started out as first density, almost non-living (though there is no such thing), then moved on to second density, first as single cell, then multiple cell organisms. When we were already hominids, such as Homo Erectus and others, some sort of outside "upgrade" was carried out to move us into third density and give us self-awareness.

The Movie 2001 Space Odyssey depicts this very well actually, though perhaps in a slightly naive and materialistic manner. The point is the soul was there all the time, but it evolved to higher levels of complexity and consciousness from one life to the next.

As for the original Self or "eternal spark of creation", Indeed it was part of what you would call the Godhead. There are many contrasting stories as to what happened next. Some say the One wanted to become many to experience existence, so it divided itself into discarnate souls and dual opposites, such as male and female. It was the polarity inherent in this duality that allowed creation to happen. Presumably, the creation of good and evil had to be a part of it. If there was a polarity between good and evil, a universe of evil, with its own creator must be necessarily part of this process. That is presumably what is referred to as the demiurge by gnostic thought. I don't know if we'll ever find the real truth about this, but it is fascinating to think about it.

When I was sixteen, I wrote a piece of this duality process of opposites necessary for evolution, understanding later on through physics that it was also necessary to have a differential of energy to third density creation (creation of matter).

Later on, I read and heard of the soul spark that all human have. All nature has god's energy but only a few species specialise as creators, which means they can have direct acces to God's creation skills and power. For this, a slow learning has to take place which goes through all the steps of nature. Humans are one of those creator's species. Therefore some other species being kind of "jalous".

The soul spark is what is connected to love and wisdom, the connections willfully killed from generation to generation in some groups of human, therefore the absence of love within all of their decisions and behaviors.

Chris
18th June 2018, 16:09
So if the Annunaki where the 'creators' of the upgraded 'chimp', then how did they get the Soul to inhabit this new biological 'creation'?

From what I understand the Soul is 'an eternal spark of Creation', a 'part of the Godhead', and as such only 'God' can create.

Was 'trickery' involved? Or was it the 'temptation of the flesh' of being incarnate in this 3rd density and being able to experience the pleasures of the senses? Or both?

And then the trapdoor of incarnation shut..... until now:happythumbsup:

I believe the answer can be found in Hinduism and Buddhism. They believe in the evolution of the soul. All of us started from simple forms of life at the beginning of creation and moved on to more complex ones with each incarnation. We already existed as the Self, the spark of life from the very beginning, but our "souls" were basically that of simple single cell organisms initially. We started out as first density, almost non-living (though there is no such thing), then moved on to second density, first as single cell, then multiple cell organisms. When we were already hominids, such as Homo Erectus and others, some sort of outside "upgrade" was carried out to move us into third density and give us self-awareness.

The Movie 2001 Space Odyssey depicts this very well actually, though perhaps in a slightly naive and materialistic manner. The point is the soul was there all the time, but it evolved to higher levels of complexity and consciousness from one life to the next.

As for the original Self or "eternal spark of creation", Indeed it was part of what you would call the Godhead. There are many contrasting stories as to what happened next. Some say the One wanted to become many to experience existence, so it divided itself into discarnate souls and dual opposites, such as male and female. It was the polarity inherent in this duality that allowed creation to happen. Presumably, the creation of good and evil had to be a part of it. If there was a polarity between good and evil, a universe of evil, with its own creator must be necessarily part of this process. That is presumably what is referred to as the demiurge by gnostic thought. I don't know if we'll ever find the real truth about this, but it is fascinating to think about it.

When I was sixteen, I wrote a piece of this duality process of opposites necessary for evolution, understanding later on through physics that it was also necessary to have a differential of energy to third density creation (creation of matter).

Later on, I read and heard of the soul spark that all human have. All nature has god's energy but only a few species specialise as creators, which means they can have direct acces to God's creation skills and power. For this, a slow learning has to take place which goes through all the steps of nature. Humans are one of those creator's species. Therefore some other species being kind of "jalous".

The soul spark is what is connected to love and wisdom, the connections willfully killed from generation to generation in some groups of human, therefore the absence of love within all of their decisions and behaviors.

I have to agree with you, that was very beautifully put.

The creator thing is interesting. If we were supposedly made in the Creator's image, we must share his creative ability. I sometimes feel, that if we realised the real power we had in terms of co-creating this reality, it would turn into a paradise pretty quickly. I am enamoured by descriptions of other planets and worlds in ancient Indian stories, such as the Puranas and the Mahabharata. These other planets, which are supposedly inhabited by the gods (Devas or Shining Ones) are always described as so idyllic and harmonious. Why can't our planet be like that? Probably, because we haven't realised our co-creative ability just yet. Perhaps that will change with the current undergoing shift to fourth density.

Foxie Loxie
25th June 2018, 17:47
Thanks, BILLY, for starting this thread!!! :sun: Also, thanks for the diggeridoo videos!! :waving:

Valerie Villars
25th June 2018, 20:49
Chris and Flash, my internal being is beaming. :sun::dancing::star:

Billy
20th September 2018, 12:42
Hi everyone. I came across this 2018 Sarah Westhall interview with Mauro Biglino this morning.
As interviews with Mauro in English are rare, I am posting it here. Mauro has a translator in this interview.

Part 1
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Part 2
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Ratszinger
20th September 2018, 13:42
So if the Annunaki where the 'creators' of the upgraded 'chimp', then how did they get the Soul to inhabit this new biological 'creation'?

From what I understand the Soul is 'an eternal spark of Creation', a 'part of the Godhead', and as such only 'God' can create.

Was 'trickery' involved? Or was it the 'temptation of the flesh' of being incarnate in this 3rd density and being able to experience the pleasures of the senses? Or both?

And then the trapdoor of incarnation shut..... until now:happythumbsup:

I believe the answer can be found in Hinduism and Buddhism. They believe in the evolution of the soul. All of us started from simple forms of life at the beginning of creation and moved on to more complex ones with each incarnation. We already existed as the Self, the spark of life from the very beginning, but our "souls" were basically that of simple single cell organisms initially. We started out as first density, almost non-living (though there is no such thing), then moved on to second density, first as single cell, then multiple cell organisms. When we were already hominids, such as Homo Erectus and others, some sort of outside "upgrade" was carried out to move us into third density and give us self-awareness.

The Movie 2001 Space Odyssey depicts this very well actually, though perhaps in a slightly naive and materialistic manner. The point is the soul was there all the time, but it evolved to higher levels of complexity and consciousness from one life to the next.

As for the original Self or "eternal spark of creation", Indeed it was part of what you would call the Godhead. There are many contrasting stories as to what happened next. Some say the One wanted to become many to experience existence, so it divided itself into discarnate souls and dual opposites, such as male and female. It was the polarity inherent in this duality that allowed creation to happen. Presumably, the creation of good and evil had to be a part of it. If there was a polarity between good and evil, a universe of evil, with its own creator must be necessarily part of this process. That is presumably what is referred to as the demiurge by gnostic thought. I don't know if we'll ever find the real truth about this, but it is fascinating to think about it.

When I was sixteen, I wrote a piece of this duality process of opposites necessary for evolution, understanding later on through physics that it was also necessary to have a differential of energy to third density creation (creation of matter).

Later on, I read and heard of the soul spark that all human have. All nature has god's energy but only a few species specialise as creators, which means they can have direct acces to God's creation skills and power. For this, a slow learning has to take place which goes through all the steps of nature. Humans are one of those creator's species. Therefore some other species being kind of "jalous".

The soul spark is what is connected to love and wisdom, the connections willfully killed from generation to generation in some groups of human, therefore the absence of love within all of their decisions and behaviors.

I have to agree with you, that was very beautifully put.

The creator thing is interesting. If we were supposedly made in the Creator's image, we must share his creative ability. I sometimes feel, that if we realised the real power we had in terms of co-creating this reality, it would turn into a paradise pretty quickly. I am enamoured by descriptions of other planets and worlds in ancient Indian stories, such as the Puranas and the Mahabharata. These other planets, which are supposedly inhabited by the gods (Devas or Shining Ones) are always described as so idyllic and harmonious. Why can't our planet be like that? Probably, because we haven't realised our co-creative ability just yet. Perhaps that will change with the current undergoing shift to fourth density.

If we are made in the creator's image we'd be intersex all of us. When I read Genesis Chapter one I do not see that as being at all about human beings.(us) I see chapter one totally as being all about first man, the intersex men, those male and female he created them. These are the ones in the image of God not the second man Adam taken when God noticed his plants withering. There are two hominids on the earth, one the ruling class called 'mankind' of first men intersex families. Tribes of these were already made (which I believe we stare at daily in the gender bender stars, elected and so on in the public eye living the 'high life') The second being human beings, the workers. We don't come into play at all until Chapter 2 in Genesis the way I read it.

Star Tsar
4th November 2018, 12:25
More from Mr Biglino


Ancient Astronaut Archive

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Mauro Biglino : The Bible, The Aliens, The Comic

Published 4th November 2018

Signore Biglino highlights evidence of beings from other planets, clear references to alien craft & devices built from technologies not available @ the time all In the Hebrew Masoretic Bible & A comic he is developing to do exactly the same.
Spoken in Italian language with English subtitles.

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Webz Libri
22nd January 2019, 01:23
Mauro does mention Sitchen but only to say he did not use any of his translations.

Sitchin is still good here....
Mauro is laying out what he thinks is the original spoken root terms without the vowels.

Direct quote from the book...
"As we analyze the Old Testament, we will identify these concrete beings using their correct Hebrew names (for instance “Those who from heaven to Earth came” in Hebrew are “Anaqiti” instead of the more well-known published Sumerian name, “Anunnaki”)."

Same meaning....slightly different name.

.... I just got this ebook last week and its a fascinating read!

Billy
6th July 2019, 17:26
Hi again.
After my first sighting of a UFO in 1965 when I was 11 years old, which hovered for at least two hours in the sky above me.
There after, in my early teens reading the Bible, the Bhagavad-Gita just to see if there was any mention of flying crafts written in ancient scriptures. Which to my amazement I found there were hundreds of mentions. I read and reread, taking notes as I went.

I was alone in my thoughts amongst my friends and family members. So imagine how delighted I was when Mauro Biglino arrived on scene a few years ago, confirming everything I had researched concerning UFO's and advanced technology in ancient times.

Read the original post if you have not yet been introduced to Mauro. An Italian Hebrew translator who was hired by the Vatican to translate some old testament books "literary" leaving out the human interpretations that were added into the Torah.

Ernie Nemeth
6th July 2019, 18:04
Arjuna looked out over the battlefield.

It is your duty to vanquish the enemy at any cost.

Even unto the destruction of the world itself.

Arjuna was troubled.

Then what is the purpose of a life lived?

To serve.


Thanks Billy! :highfive: