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blake
23rd January 2012, 15:53
Hello All Canadian Avalonians,

So many people, like Gerald Celente, in anticipation of the coming financial crash of the American dollar, and the current new laws set in place to control and contain the populace in their anger, and any resistance to the government, are strongly advocating Americans to have plans set in place to leave America at the drop of a hat. Of course, there are too many Americans without the financial means to do so even if they wanted to. Yet, there is much talk about safety zones to flee to, whether it be South America or wherever. Perhaps if I were among the mega rich, I would now have all my various passports in place, or perhaps, I would sail away in my mega yacht. But alas, I am not among the top one percent.

And there is much talk about other times in history, when people intellectually knew they should leave their homes, but emotionally were not able to force themselves to leave and sadly lost everything, even their lives, and that of their families.

My view is that it is a very personal question, depending upon a person’s circumstances, their connections, and their means. Most survivalists have their bug out bags ready, and even some have a retreat in a rural location. I am of the mind that each person needs to look at their location, and should move now if they don’t feel safe, to an area that they themselves have researched and would feel safer at, especially if they have a family to support and protect.

But America is coming down, and Americans must be able to hunker down where they are to wait out the coming chaos and even defend themselves. I think many people who use their heads, and strategize wiesly, might be able to make it through the chaos if they have enough supplies at home, and if they are off the beaten path. But of course, with all the drones, and the new police technology that is a big question mark. And yet I still don’t believe in leaving the country, unless the tanks are coming down Main Street.

But I do believe people need to have many exit plans available to them, written down in great detail, should the worse situation happen, which means that one would have to leave their home and flee for their lives. I think the plans should be written down, and not on a computer, and hopefully in a private code, for a couple of reasons, so you have something to guide you, should your mind blank out tempoaraily in the panic of the moment, to have a guide for your family members should you not be around.

I get very frustrated at some people, because many of them tell me they know back roads into Canada, and that’s where they will be heading. I ask them where is the logic in that? If the entire financial system comes crashing down, what is going to make Canada any safer than America? And at least Americasn are familiar with America. Americans don't really know the ins and outs of another country, even a country as close as Canada. Personally I think it is safer to be in a location that you know well and where you know people who just might, with a bit of luck, lend you a helping hand for the minute or two you may need as you change course in protecting yourself. So since my debate has only been with my American friends, I would appreciate knowing my Canadian, Avalonian penpals thoughts about this. How safe do you feel in Canada when the American dollar crashes. Of course, it would also be nice to hear the thoughts of those in other countries as well.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

blake
23rd January 2012, 22:52
Hello All,

Thanks to the four thumbs up. I am bumping this up, hoping that some will be so kind as to share their thought about this.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Chuck
23rd January 2012, 23:50
Hello Mr. Davis

Thank you for your question. When the economy of the US gets indigestion Canada gets a stomach ache. 70% of Canada’s exports are to the US. Most exports are raw materials. The disparity between population, wealth, GDP make the trade imbalance very asymmetric. See this report for a decent overview even though it is a bit dated. www.nationalaglawcenter.org/assets/crs/RL33087.pdf

When and if the US dollar fails, we will no longer be exporting to the US. The Canadian central bank works very hard at keeping the Canadian dollar pegged at par to the US dollar or lower for this very reason. A strong Canadian dollar hurts our exports. We have a fiat currency as bad or worse than the US. None of our currency is backed by gold… rather it is backed by the US dollar … lol!

So you see, Canada is not safe ground to flee from a crashing US dollar. We will suffer right along with you.

The only sanctuary I can think of is living like the Amish… a long ways from my lifestyle, but one that I find myself contemplating and fantasizing about more and more. To be sovereign… live simply, grow your own food… in a land that is familiar to you.

God speed

Deega
23rd January 2012, 23:57
Thanks Blake, difficult question, here is my limited point of view.


So since my debate has only been with my American friends, I would appreciate knowing my Canadian, Avalonian penpals thoughts about this. How safe do you feel in Canada when the American dollar crashes.

As you know, America is still the biggest economy of the World, if the dollar crashes, Canadian will also be in big trouble.

Canadian exports to America is larger than any other country where Canada exports, so if the American Economy falls, Canadian will surfer greatly. Raw data, as of November 2011, Canadian export to the US was 36 + Billions dollars worth with 39 + Billions dollars worth in import from the US. And it’s interesting to note that mineral products are an important export to the US. So if the American Economy fails, Canadian exports will fall drastically, and on the imports side, if the US economy falls, it means that production will stalled somehow, so Canadian imports will fall also.

Not an interesting scenario, hope that the American Economy don’t fall, we don’t necessarily need to suffer!, wealthy people will have a way to get through it more easily than us, I would think.

If the American economy falls, I would think that urban areas, people will be in great danger from many sources, rural one, it may be less dangerous. I don’t think that there won’t be any safer place to live if ever this disaster happen.

All the best to you.

Deega

Reference: - http://cansim2.statcan.gc.ca/cgi-win/cnsmcgi.pgm

161803398
24th January 2012, 00:11
This guy says the three currencies to invest in for 2012 are Chilean, Korean and Canadian.

http://moneymorning.com/2011/12/07/the-three-must-own-currencies-of-2012/

scotusa
24th January 2012, 00:20
Hello Mr. Davis

Thank you for your question. When the economy of the US gets indigestion Canada gets a stomach ache. 70% of Canada’s exports are to the US. Most exports are raw materials. The disparity between population, wealth, GDP make the trade imbalance very asymmetric. See this report for a decent overview even though it is a bit dated. www.nationalaglawcenter.org/assets/crs/RL33087.pdf

When and if the US dollar fails, we will no longer be exporting to the US. The Canadian central bank works very hard at keeping the Canadian dollar pegged at par to the US dollar or lower for this very reason. A strong Canadian dollar hurts our exports. We have a fiat currency as bad or worse than the US. None of our currency is backed by gold… rather it is backed by the US dollar … lol!

So you see, Canada is not safe ground to flee from a crashing US dollar. We will suffer right along with you.

The only sanctuary I can think of is living like the Amish… a long ways from my lifestyle, but one that I find myself contemplating and fantasizing about more and more. To be sovereign… live simply, grow your own food… in a land that is familiar to you.

God speed

Whats that noise? http://www.debka.com/article/21673/

Scotusa

Chuck
24th January 2012, 00:38
scotusa,

indeed... buying oil with anything other than US dollars will erode the value of US dollar very quickly.

Americans import over half of their oil needs... most of it from Canada! Not Saudi as most people believe. Will Canada continue to sell oil to the US for American dollars when the rest of the world does not? ... interesting developments....

161803398
24th January 2012, 02:46
Canada is owned by the same people who own America.

blake
24th January 2012, 03:02
Hello Mr. Davis

Thank you for your question. When the economy of the US gets indigestion Canada gets a stomach ache. 70% of Canada’s exports are to the US. Most exports are raw materials. The disparity between population, wealth, GDP make the trade imbalance very asymmetric. See this report for a decent overview even though it is a bit dated. www.nationalaglawcenter.org/assets/crs/RL33087.pdf

When and if the US dollar fails, we will no longer be exporting to the US. The Canadian central bank works very hard at keeping the Canadian dollar pegged at par to the US dollar or lower for this very reason. A strong Canadian dollar hurts our exports. We have a fiat currency as bad or worse than the US. None of our currency is backed by gold… rather it is backed by the US dollar … lol!

So you see, Canada is not safe ground to flee from a crashing US dollar. We will suffer right along with you.

The only sanctuary I can think of is living like the Amish… a long ways from my lifestyle, but one that I find myself contemplating and fantasizing about more and more. To be sovereign… live simply, grow your own food… in a land that is familiar to you.

God speed

Hello Chuck,

Thank you for responding, and bringing up the excellent point about the exports.
I agree, simple, independent living is probably one' best bet for living well, especially under these uncertain economic times.


Sincrerely,

Mr. Davis

Sesan
24th January 2012, 03:03
Simply put "you go down.....we go down." Maybe not right away, but it will happen. Canada and the U.S. need each other. No one should argue that. Things are going to get a little bumpy!

blake
24th January 2012, 03:10
Hello Deega,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about my question. For what ever reason I wasn't able to open the site you made reference to; I will try to open it directly when I get off Avalon.

I do agree that I doubt any place will really be safer than any other. Although, as you also pointed out, it is probably best to live away from the urban areas.


Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

blake
24th January 2012, 03:19
Hello Scotusa,

Thanks for the article. And it indeed is big noise.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

blake
24th January 2012, 03:27
Hello Sesan,

Thanks for your imput. I do agree we do need each other. And I also agree things are going to get bumpy.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

GlassSteagallfan
24th January 2012, 04:14
Whats that noise? http://www.debka.com/article/21673/

Scotusa

That noise is the sound of paper money melting.

Nice post Scott! That article may need a thread of its own. I hope this opens the floodgates to gold and silver as currency instead of electronic. Libya was also using gold as currency.


Back to topic...

If you are eligable for dual citizenship, it is highly recommended.

Zillah
24th January 2012, 05:22
Canada definitely has a controlling party who are much involved in the NWO plans, and PM Harper ... another puppet for the Cabal. I will not doom and gloom this topic - as I do believe there are counter-forces who are working to prevent this from occurring... but as for NOW this is how it stands:

First - a great reference for what's happening in Canada: Global Research dot CA (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=region&regionId=2).

Financially:

We're all connected - so when things start to snowball, Canada' system will be rolling down the hill as well.

Oh Canada Movie - Our Bought And Sold Out Land
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbACCGf6q-c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCyFvpouwIA&feature=related

THE CRIME OF THE CANADIAN BANKING SYSTEM: Bill Abram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Zl1Wax8MI

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation
http://taxpayer.com/

Canada Issued Debt-Free Money From 1935-1974
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxD2-lQwYa8

Restore The Use Of The Bank Of Canada Lawsuit - Press Release
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65_NJcZqgA

Canada's New $100 Polymer Bank Notes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWeqXauhb4Q

Mark Carney Hired As World Banking Regulator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUQwcVub0XI

Stop Outsourcing The Printing Of Our Currency
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6igsqi0XI2Q

Goldman Sachs And The Bank Of Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Uq4cZfC6A

Safety and Sovereignty:

The only thing I can say (for now anyway) - there is no Defense Act here - however our sovereignty is most certainly in jeopardy. Homeland security will now have access to Canadian citizens's personal information, and Canada agreed to track us when we leave the country and report to America. What? A country report to another country... WHY? Well this is all hidden under the guise of "trade."

This Declaration bypassed parliament completely and was signed in secrecy by our beloved PM and Obama.

The declaration touched upon a few sensitive topics -- one excerpt is below. You can read the full declaration here: Declaration by President Obama and Prime Minister Harper of Canada - Beyond the Border (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/02/04/declaration-president-obama-and-prime-minister-harper-canada-beyond-bord)

Law enforcement will be “harmonized” between the nations as well, according to the declaration. “We intend to build on existing bilateral law enforcement programs to develop the next generation of integrated cross-border law enforcement operations that leverage cross-designated officers and resources,” it states. Making cyberspace “safer” for North American citizens — while extraordinarily vague — will also be a priority.

And it appears that Congress and the Canadian Parliament will have little to no say in the matter. “Responsibility for ensuring inter-agency coordination will rest with the Prime Minister and the President and their respective officials,” according to the agreement. ... more (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/6274-us-a-canada-agree-to-common-perimeter-biometric-tracking)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9wBl3VXFu8&feature=player_embedded

"American President Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Harper have unveiled a new border security agreement that has received scant attention in the American media. However, far from being a new arrangement, what this accord represents is only the latest in a chain of usurpations of national sovereignty."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-3X359ONwo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9rgpnrH4gI&feature=related

"In Stephen Harper's G20 Speech he admits Canada is no longer sovereign and that there is NOT a Canadian economy, but a WORLD economy."

As for privacy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbCtHQsOXe8&feature=related

Pro-Zionism:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcd5KEOiTl8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lE_tEnvzzk

Jewish Canadians: "We are ashamed of the Canadian government's support of Israel's genocide of Palestine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrjYIMCl_c&feature=related)

New World Order:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViOTD8AgOqc&feature=related

I think that's enough for now :) Clearly I am Canadian and I do love my Country - just not the crooks who run it. I really feel this will soon change, and I know as a Country we're in a tremendous position where we can and will stand strong as a beautiful, abundant and prosperous piece of land with amazing people of all races. Our land is lush, our water clean and the vastness and beauty takes your breath away.

I feel we will soon return to what our National Anthem indicates -- "The True North Strong and Free."

gigha
24th January 2012, 05:32
Thanks for all this info Zillah i have bookmarked your post and look forward to delving in when i have more time.

Zillah
24th January 2012, 05:35
Thanks for all this info Zillah i have bookmarked your post and look forward to delving in when i have more time.

You are most welcome - we need to be aware to make a change!!! We're all in this together :)

sojorner
24th January 2012, 06:20
Well it looks like Canada is preparing to look for other trade partners.. like China, (This is where we pretend surprise, aghast, shock, awe, etc:eek:)

and predicting the U.S. financial collapse also.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/economy+unlikely+fully+recover+Carney/6036081/story.html?cid=megadrop_story

Ah, not sure what to say, except moving to a self sustaining rural community is a very good idea, and the sooner the better to be established before anything dire happens. IMHO

Soj

Mulder
24th January 2012, 06:36
I personally think that due to the North American Union, Canada will eventually share the same future as the USA. So Americans moving there will safeguard thier money NOW if they go to Canada & convert it to Canadian Dollars. However, eventually the Canadian dollar will fail along with virtually every other currency.

Deega
24th January 2012, 15:00
Hello Deega,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about my question. For what ever reason I wasn't able to open the site you made reference to; I will try to open it directly when I get off Avalon.

I do agree that I doubt any place will really be safer than any other. Although, as you also pointed out, it is probably best to live away from the urban areas.


Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Thanks Blake, yes!, I tried the link and it showed error 500, the reference was of a Cansim Database, it is a public html, it should of open, but this time around, it doesn't. Tonight, I will try to find it back and make it available.


Edited

I find the link back, a few steps that I made.

First, I search "Canadian Exports/Imports to the USA", it gave me a list of links where I choose.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/trade-commerce/data-donnee-eng.htm, this link seems to work, I have tried it, and it opened up.

And then, I choose "Canadian International Merchandise Trade Database", that gave me the table of data for different countries.

I have notice that I have taken the World data in the first post. Instead, we should read, the USA data stand for 26+ billions dollars (November 2011) of Canadian Exports to the USA for 18+billions Imports for the same period.

All the best to you.

Deega

kcbc2010
24th January 2012, 18:29
What a lot of us want to know is will we be able to apply for political asylum if our government goes off the deep end? Will the Canadians close the border to those of us who are seeking a safe haven. Since I live close to the border, fleeing to Canada is an attractive option if things get bad enough - especially since my husband and I are both skilled and could find work and we are close to several border crossings. Will Canada do the humane thing?

Carmody
24th January 2012, 18:55
What a lot of us want to know is will we be able to apply for political asylum if our government goes off the deep end? Will the Canadians close the border to those of us who are seeking a safe haven. Since I live close to the border, fleeing to Canada is an attractive option if things get bad enough - especially since my husband and I are both skilled and could find work and we are close to several border crossings. Will Canada do the humane thing?

As humane as America has been to Canada, I suspect.

There is one thing that Americans should be aware of.

Canada has forts all along the US border, from the days of yore.

The cannons remain pointed at the USA.

M-FXkj-r9Mc

Zillah
24th January 2012, 19:08
What a lot of us want to know is will we be able to apply for political asylum if our government goes off the deep end? Will the Canadians close the border to those of us who are seeking a safe haven. Since I live close to the border, fleeing to Canada is an attractive option if things get bad enough - especially since my husband and I are both skilled and could find work and we are close to several border crossings. Will Canada do the humane thing?

There is no way to know for sure, I'm afraid - at this point each Country is changing faster than we can keep up, so I don't consider anywhere to be a safer haven. Canada is knee deep with America and are both invested in controversial and unethical behavior. Since Canada be sharing its citizen's information with the US -- you can assume it will also be the other way around. To me this suggests that both Countries are working together to prevent ease of border crossing - so how do you "flee" when information is shared and all eyes are on everyone? You have a better chance in Mexico!

blake
24th January 2012, 21:25
Whats that noise? http://www.debka.com/article/21673/

Scotusa

That noise is the sound of paper money melting.

Nice post Scott! That article may need a thread of its own. I hope this opens the floodgates to gold and silver as currency instead of electronic. Libya was also using gold as currency.


Back to topic...

If you are eligable for dual citizenship, it is highly recommended.

Hello GlassSteagallfanm

Thanks for posting. I do think having options is always a good thing. And it would be an asset for anyone to have dual citizenship. However, I am curious, since I see you are from Massachusetts, would you ever consider moving to Canada if the dollar crashed? So many Americans I talk to seem to think that is their safety net, and I just can't see how Canada would be any safer. I would appreciate your thoughts on this if you wouldn't mine sharing them?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

blake
24th January 2012, 22:39
Canada definitely has a controlling party who are much involved in the NWO plans, and PM Harper ... another puppet for the Cabal. I will not doom and gloom this topic - as I do believe there are counter-forces who are working to prevent this from occurring... but as for NOW this is how it stands:

First - a great reference for what's happening in Canada: Global Research dot CA (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=region&regionId=2).

Financially:

We're all connected - so when things start to snowball, Canada' system will be rolling down the hill as well.

Oh Canada Movie - Our Bought And Sold Out Land
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbACCGf6q-c


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCyFvpouwIA&feature=related

THE CRIME OF THE CANADIAN BANKING SYSTEM: Bill Abram
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Zl1Wax8MI

The Canadian Taxpayers Federation
http://taxpayer.com/

Canada Issued Debt-Free Money From 1935-1974
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxD2-lQwYa8

Restore The Use Of The Bank Of Canada Lawsuit - Press Release
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x65_NJcZqgA

Canada's New $100 Polymer Bank Notes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWeqXauhb4Q

Mark Carney Hired As World Banking Regulator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUQwcVub0XI

Stop Outsourcing The Printing Of Our Currency
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6igsqi0XI2Q

Goldman Sachs And The Bank Of Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Uq4cZfC6A

Safety and Sovereignty:

The only thing I can say (for now anyway) - there is no Defense Act here - however our sovereignty is most certainly in jeopardy. Homeland security will now have access to Canadian citizens's personal information, and Canada agreed to track us when we leave the country and report to America. What? A country report to another country... WHY? Well this is all hidden under the guise of "trade."

This Declaration bypassed parliament completely and was signed in secrecy by our beloved PM and Obama.

The declaration touched upon a few sensitive topics -- one excerpt is below. You can read the full declaration here: Declaration by President Obama and Prime Minister Harper of Canada - Beyond the Border (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/02/04/declaration-president-obama-and-prime-minister-harper-canada-beyond-bord)

Law enforcement will be “harmonized” between the nations as well, according to the declaration. “We intend to build on existing bilateral law enforcement programs to develop the next generation of integrated cross-border law enforcement operations that leverage cross-designated officers and resources,” it states. Making cyberspace “safer” for North American citizens — while extraordinarily vague — will also be a priority.

And it appears that Congress and the Canadian Parliament will have little to no say in the matter. “Responsibility for ensuring inter-agency coordination will rest with the Prime Minister and the President and their respective officials,” according to the agreement. ... more (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/6274-us-a-canada-agree-to-common-perimeter-biometric-tracking)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9wBl3VXFu8&feature=player_embedded

"American President Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Harper have unveiled a new border security agreement that has received scant attention in the American media. However, far from being a new arrangement, what this accord represents is only the latest in a chain of usurpations of national sovereignty."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-3X359ONwo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9rgpnrH4gI&feature=related

"In Stephen Harper's G20 Speech he admits Canada is no longer sovereign and that there is NOT a Canadian economy, but a WORLD economy."

As for privacy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbCtHQsOXe8&feature=related

Pro-Zionism:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcd5KEOiTl8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lE_tEnvzzk

Jewish Canadians: "We are ashamed of the Canadian government's support of Israel's genocide of Palestine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrjYIMCl_c&feature=related)

New World Order:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViOTD8AgOqc&feature=related

I think that's enough for now :) Clearly I am Canadian and I do love my Country - just not the crooks who run it. I really feel this will soon change, and I know as a Country we're in a tremendous position where we can and will stand strong as a beautiful, abundant and prosperous piece of land with amazing people of all races. Our land is lush, our water clean and the vastness and beauty takes your breath away.

I feel we will soon return to what our National Anthem indicates -- "The True North Strong and Free."

Hello Zillah,

You sent a lot of intersting information that I will have to go though tomorrow when I have more time. So thanks for posting it all. It was such a shock to read:

"Homeland security will now have access to Canadian citizens's personal information, and Canada agreed to track us when we leave the country and report to America. What? A country report to another country... WHY? Well this is all hidden under the guise of "trade"

This is just not right.

But unfortunately that is where we are in the world today. Do you have anything like TSA in Canada?

Thanks again for all the info.

Sincerley,

Mr. Davis

Chuck
24th January 2012, 23:47
Hello Mr. Davis,

Just an interesting side note...

A little over 20 years ago, my friends and I bought some land in Washington State as a sanctuary to go to as, at the time, the USA held more promise of freedom for the common man than Canada... thanks to your constitution. What a difference a decade makes to those hell bent on undermining that document.

IMO, your constitution is/was the last hope on this planet for a fighting chance against total control.

If you were to set up an experiment in consciousness to allow creatures to evolve according to their will, no doubt one of the necessary rules of the game would be freedom... at least to a certain degree. This allows expansion of consciousness according to laws of nature. But if freedom is curtailed/limited then consciousness stagnates, or worse deteriorates. THE EXPERIMENT IS OVER because consciousness becomes predictable. I think, due to the latest bills being passed, we are at that stage.

"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is finished."

I don't know what 2012 scenario holds but it certainly sounds like a 7th angel.

DeDukshyn
25th January 2012, 00:15
Well, the great thing about Canada is, if you can survive the winters, there's a ton of really good land with lot's of resources for everyone. This alone would make it desirable to people who want to get out of crowded living conditions fighting for resources (a scenario I could see easily happening if **** really hits the fans in the US). I think this fuels some of the "I'll move to Canada!" sentiment.

As a Canadian myself, I feel relatively safe and comfortable here for whatever may happen ... but I can live off the land - an important thing to consider when coming to Canada to avoid the apocalypse ---- Can you live off the land? and Can you survive the winter while living off the land? If you have two "Yeses" and you're in Canada, you are set to for anything!

Flash
25th January 2012, 00:51
Well, the great thing about Canada is, if you can survive the winters, there's a ton of really good land with lot's of resources for everyone. This alone would make it desirable to people who want to get out of crowded living conditions fighting for resources (a scenario I could see easily happening if **** really hits the fans in the US). I think this fuels some of the "I'll move to Canada!" sentiment.

As a Canadian myself, I feel relatively safe and comfortable here for whatever may happen ... but I can live off the land - an important thing to consider when coming to Canada to avoid the apocalypse ---- Can you live off the land? and Can you survive the winter while living off the land? If you have two "Yeses" and you're in Canada, you are set to for anything!

I was feeling the same until I discovered that US had nuclear centrals 1 hour form my city, and us, one central 1/2 hour from my city (but this latter I knew). This means that moving would have to be quite far.

Quite a lot of good information fellow Canadian, I am somewhat learning too...

As for economic crisis, it will be the pit everywhere. Although we think Canadians are less violent (um.. no rights to wear arms), wait when hunger comes, the story will change. And we do not have arms to protect ourselves except for the thiefs and the bandits who are armed.

Also, we cannot grow much most of the year because of the cold. Living my grand father ways is very difficult. Our spoiled generation has no idea about how hard it is. Add to this social disaray, it might be quite difficult.

Oh, and Carmody is kind of joking imho. Our forts all along the border only have rusted cannons in it ... lol

DeDukshyn
26th January 2012, 03:02
Well, the great thing about Canada is, if you can survive the winters, there's a ton of really good land with lot's of resources for everyone. This alone would make it desirable to people who want to get out of crowded living conditions fighting for resources (a scenario I could see easily happening if **** really hits the fans in the US). I think this fuels some of the "I'll move to Canada!" sentiment.

As a Canadian myself, I feel relatively safe and comfortable here for whatever may happen ... but I can live off the land - an important thing to consider when coming to Canada to avoid the apocalypse ---- Can you live off the land? and Can you survive the winter while living off the land? If you have two "Yeses" and you're in Canada, you are set to for anything!

I was feeling the same until I discovered that US had nuclear centrals 1 hour form my city, and us, one central 1/2 hour from my city (but this latter I knew). This means that moving would have to be quite far.

Quite a lot of good information fellow Canadian, I am somewhat learning too...

As for economic crisis, it will be the pit everywhere. Although we think Canadians are less violent (um.. no rights to wear arms), wait when hunger comes, the story will change. And we do not have arms to protect ourselves except for the thiefs and the bandits who are armed.

Also, we cannot grow much most of the year because of the cold. Living my grand father ways is very difficult. Our spoiled generation has no idea about how hard it is. Add to this social disaray, it might be quite difficult.

Oh, and Carmody is kind of joking imho. Our forts all along the border only have rusted cannons in it ... lol

I never think of how hard Canada would be to survive for vegetarians (not that you are one - just thinking about it now), as I am still quite omnivorous in my eating choices (or at least I will likely always keep that option open even if/when I do switch). So I might have an easier time than others if having to live off the land in Canada. I'll have to leave where I am now though, city will be a bad place in times of extreme hardships.

And ya we've had Us controlled nukes on our soil for years, plus a few no one knows about - so I've heard from seemingly credible sources. It will be interesting to see what our relationship with the US is like if things keep progressing as they are.

I'm not sure if Carmody was joking .. those old cannons stand up fairly well against nukes, drones, and attack fighters ... just saying ;) ;)