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Alie
26th January 2012, 18:01
Don't you think they are doing their best to do "due diligence" before they associate their names with these whistleblowers? Don't you think they have resources we will NOT have (and probably never will have) access to? Are these people human and could they be duped (possibly but unlikely) and provide us BAD "intel? Of course, but that's not their intention.

Ummm, no I don't think Kerry provided any proof or even attempted to mention it in the first interview that she had vetted Mr. Woods. How about some simple enlistment paperwork, or his exit paperwork, or his court martial paperwork. When was the last time you ever were involved in any legal preceedings that you did not get some paperwork?

How about a photo or two in the fields with is fellow soldiers? As I said, I've never met a soldier who did not have that, and he probably has some, but he didn't show them. He can cover up their faces. I actually do think he was in the military, but where are the basic proofs? Ok, set that all aside and think like someone who is responsible for completing missions and his men's / bases safety.

I did a little role playing the other day in my mind. I put myself in a role of a commanding officer over Mr. Wood's SEAL team. I said, if I were commanding this team, and they were doing highly classified missions and the guy with his finger on the guiding system fire controls for a million dollar deadly weapon suddenly gets a conscience and fails to complete his mission, would I send him back into the field to do even more unsavory tasks as indicated by Mr. Woods first interview?

My first priority is to complete missions and to protect my men. If a soldier is no longer trustworthy and is in direct control of such a powerful weapon as a guided tomahawk, would I give him another one to use? Forget the waste of letting it hit a "safe" area of dirt, what about him turning it around and using it on say a forward base of ours? I can see the scene,

I'm sipping coffee and talking with General X, and he says, "So, what's up with your boy Woods?" Setting my cup down, "Well Sir, we really taught him a lesson! We court martialed him to put him at even more mental stress, and he is out in the field thirty miles from here getting ready to hit that school full of those little girls to put pressure on the village to comply." The General stands up and says, "You stupid mother ❤❤❤❤er, you did what?" and just as I hear those words an alarm sounds and in comes a tomahawk with a nice camera on it for Woods to see the look on our faces as we say, "OH SH IT"!

I mean just look at this logically. Woods career was over the moment HE decided to not complete that mission. He would have either gone to prison or been sent to peel 100,000 potatoes while his contract expired. There are plenty of SEALS to take his place, he was not that valuable of an asset. No one in the military is that valuable of an asset who shows they cannot complete a mission which the military deems necessary. No, I am not justifying missions, I am a student of Sun Tzu and knowing my situation.

I have other issues with information shared in the second interview. I just do not believe all of Mr. Woods testimony about what happened in the military. We can agree or disagree on how we see Mr. Woods comments. From my experience, that part does not stand up logically. Some would say, so what, he is telling us important information. Is he really? What has he revealed that we have not heard before? Remember, repeat a lie often and the people begin to believe it. I do not believe we have anything energetically / miraculous coming Dec. 21, 2012. I do believe our environment can be manipulated by technology, politically, in the media to help us think a certain way and want certain changes. That's what I think is happening. We are being manipulated into a new world system, plain and simple.

Thank Serenity
I understand where you are coming from, as many on this forum are in that mindset. My point was that I am not here to second guess Kerry because I could go elsewhere to get this kind of information. She's NOT accountable to me. She's doing me a service, and as I say as a furniture salesperson, you're buying it "as is".

CeltMan
26th January 2012, 18:06
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Re Sorcha Faal: I don't believe a word of what he (Sorcha Faal = CIA agent David Wood) says... ever. There's no reason to suppose that his claimed report of the sounds in the underground bases is valid simply because it's convenient to believe it.


Quote: ‘Sasha Faal’

Hi Bill,

I would like to have you clarify a point you made regarding ‘Sorcha Faal’= Dave Wood/CIA’

Can we assume that you have seen actual proof of this?

If that is so, then it begs the question, as to why D.Wilcock is quoting him (S.F.)-as an authentic source of info?

This must mean, that D.W. has been duped along with numerous others?

And also why did B.W. not intervene and correct him?

Surely B.W. must know, with his privileged access to high levels of secrecy if S.F. is genuine or indeed a CIA agent?

Is the reason that you did not intervene to correct D.W. yourself, that you did not wish him to lose credibility on this event?

And, if you are aware of this info, does that also mean that Kerry is party to those facts as well?

For myself, I am indeed interested to verify this as a fact. I have been a follower of the web site ‘WhatDoesItMean.com’ for past 6 + years.
For those not knowing, it is run by Sorcha Faal.

Yes, I can see that there are obvious ‘fear mongering’ reports there. I ignore them.
But there is also a large amount of useful data, much of which is verified by other sources.

Of course I had read ‘disinfo & debunking reports’ about S.F. These have been addressed on the site by S.F., as being ‘wicked lies concocted to discredit a truth teller’

If this is true about S.F., then the hypothesis that ‘insidious lies are best hidden in a varnish of truth’ is also possibly true about that web site.

Whereas I am not happy to think that I have been duped by S.F., I feel it is more important that D.W. and B.W. are also being duped, and if by S.F., then what else?

Having said that, (as per my previous posts on this thread) I do feel that the message of the conference was essentially a positive one for mankind.

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 18:25
Thank Serenity
I understand where you are coming from, as many on this forum are in that mindset. My point was that I am not here to second guess Kerry because I could go elsewhere to get this kind of information. She's NOT accountable to me. She's doing me a service, and as I say as a furniture salesperson, you're buying it "as is".

Well, I guess I was under the delusion that she was trying to portray herself as a journalist bringing forth information from whistle blowers to the truth movement, hence we are expected to believe it's the truth. Basic proofs of who someone is at the beginning of a relationship as a WB would assist in that aspect. I have shared parts of the Woods interview that do not stand up to logic or even bring value to the already given testimony. Thus what do we have recently that has happened?

Let's go back a few weeks. We have a community in an uproar over a previous interview with DW not living up to his own words of the hereafter, so who cares if one dies or not, they go on, right? So, some were very drawn in to the drama and others not so much. Many afterwards started openly wondering if it was all a manipulation and how valuable the information really was that DW did finally reveal. Some saw great value in it, but there was still lots of doubts.

Then suddenly we get a new whistle blower who has very important information. Without rehashing the first BW interview with KC, there was an element of danger which oddly was no longer present 25 minutes into the interview so they could go to a nice quiet place for the rest of the story. Then, nothing new is really revealed and there is more buzz. The community is all jabbering away, typing like crazed minions on the forums, and we get a second interview and who takes it over? Why DW of course. Hmmmmmmmm.... now call me cranky, call me a skeptic, call me a thorn in your sides, but could this whole thing have been contrived to bring DW back into the limelight as a sound source and credible even important member of the deep insider high muckety mucks of the the truth community who is to be looked to for validation and rescue his somewhat tarnished image based on recent events?

Could there be any incentive to keeping DW in the limelight? I'm just asking questions and looking at the events as an investigator of truth. I obviously do not have the answers, but these are my observations of late. BW could not even answer quickly how big X was. Something he supposedly had his eyeballs on. How big is your car? Hmmm, I think 1 second and say, "Well, it's about 12 feet long and 5 feet high." It does not take me a long time to think that over, get my drift?

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 18:36
And just in case you don't like my military example, let me put this on a forum level. Let's say we get some rogue administrator on this forum. They have access to the forum bank accounts and all coding. They are even the SENIOR administrator. Bill Ryan wakes up one morning to see his forum scrapped, hell it's even got pornography pics on the front page, his forum bank account empty and money donated to a Rothschild group. The rogue admin said he had a change of conscience.

So, what does Bill do? Does bill get rid of said admin, or does he talk with him a bit, say you're under contract and I won a battle in court, which you will suffer if you don't do as I say, now post a bunch of stuff you don't like, monitor the site daily and oh yeh, here's all the passwords and code to maintain the site, or does Bill show him the door and/or collect on the fines and penalties for robbing him blind?

Just sayin

Tarka the Duck
26th January 2012, 18:44
Out of curiosity, I sent an email to Don Shipley, the ex Navy SEAL who wrote the letter in post 187, maintaining that Bill "Wood" was never a SEAL.

I wanted to hear from the horse's mouth...and I have just received this reply from him. Make of it what you will.


> Follow this one VERY CLOSE, Kathie... It's going to get ugly for Bill...Don

Mightyram
26th January 2012, 19:01
I take it then that this guy would know that Bill is not his real name,but still choose to use it in a response to you ?.

Tarka the Duck
26th January 2012, 19:12
I take it then that this guy would know that Bill is not his real name,but still choose to use it in a response to you ?.

It seems that Bill is his real name (see the earlier posts with photo) - William Neal Brockbrader.

Kathie

modwiz
26th January 2012, 19:36
Thank Serenity
I understand where you are coming from, as many on this forum are in that mindset. My point was that I am not here to second guess Kerry because I could go elsewhere to get this kind of information. She's NOT accountable to me. She's doing me a service, and as I say as a furniture salesperson, you're buying it "as is".

Well, I guess I was under the delusion that she was trying to portray herself as a journalist bringing forth information from whistle blowers to the truth movement, hence we are expected to believe it's the truth. Basic proofs of who someone is at the beginning of a relationship as a WB would assist in that aspect. I have shared parts of the Woods interview that do not stand up to logic or even bring value to the already given testimony. Thus what do we have recently that has happened?

Let's go back a few weeks. We have a community in an uproar over a previous interview with DW not living up to his own words of the hereafter, so who cares if one dies or not, they go on, right? So, some were very drawn in to the drama and others not so much. Many afterwards started openly wondering if it was all a manipulation and how valuable the information really was that DW did finally reveal. Some saw great value in it, but there was still lots of doubts.

Then suddenly we get a new whistle blower who has very important information. Without rehashing the first BW interview with KC, there was an element of danger which oddly was no longer present 25 minutes into the interview so they could go to a nice quiet place for the rest of the story. Then, nothing new is really revealed and there is more buzz. The community is all jabbering away, typing like crazed minions on the forums, and we get a second interview and who takes it over? Why DW of course. Hmmmmmmmm.... now call me cranky, call me a skeptic, call me a thorn in your sides, but could this whole thing have been contrived to bring DW back into the limelight as a sound source and credible even important member of the deep insider high muckety mucks of the the truth community who is to be looked to for validation and rescue his somewhat tarnished image based on recent events?

Could there be any incentive to keeping DW in the limelight? I'm just asking questions and looking at the events as an investigator of truth. I obviously do not have the answers, but these are my observations of late. BW could not even answer quickly how big X was. Something he supposedly had his eyeballs on. How big is your car? Hmmm, I think 1 second and say, "Well, it's about 12 feet long and 5 feet high." It does not take me a long time to think that over, get my drift?

Kerry is Kerry. She means well and tries to keep her bills paid, or more. She is really a very important part of this community and her dropping out would be something I would rather not consider. Like us all she continues to from at the exponential rates of our times. She is one of us, a bit of an insider, she has a useful website and is a prolific interviewer. Given the price of admission, she is generous and giving, regardless of whether I agree with her or have trouble dealing with her audio karma. It does look like it is easing though. Good for here and us.

US, you have also inserted yourself in a very giving fashion and are a prolific producer yourself. As you know personally, doing that will get you tomatoes you didn't buy.

firstlook
26th January 2012, 19:43
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 19:57
Thanks Modwiz, and point taken graciously. I love tomatoes btw.

I defended KC during the interview as people were making some very unkind and ugly comments about her. I do not have a personal grudge against KC at all. I like watching her interviews, well I really used to like it, but the last few (DW and BW) did not sit well with me. I don't know the details. I call things as I see them. I have not until recently thought KC was trying to manipulate events. I can be a bit paranoid and mistrusting of people who seem a little too something, so I am not going to just judge someone for wondering if they are being messed with via audio feeds, video, and the occaisional harassing helicopter. I have personally been harassed by an alphabet agency for my radio show back in the 90's. I revealed stuff that was NOT available elsewhere and they wanted me off the air. Needless to say the 50k watt station went 24 hr sports and I lost my show.

I went back to my own research and left the public scene as it were. I think DW is a marketing genious. I think he has used KC and BR for his own benefit. Sure he has written books and many have benefited from his books, but he could just as easily put up a website with the original writers of that material and sold their stuff, but then hey, he would't have a big time gig on the alternative talking circuit then would he? I know that is hard to hear, and well maybe there is a place for him because a LOT of those people who wrote that stuff are not around now, some are and they have a real bone to pick with DW.

I actually thought KC did a fine job in the online event the other night. My spirit just is watching, my head is evaluating, and I have shared some discrepencies I have noticed. Those who put themselves out there, I guess in a way this applies to me too per Modwiz based on the stuff I share be viewed as being honest and not manipulating for profit and position. I'm not selling anything. If I do write and publish a book, I will say it up front. I will do fusion marketing where ever possible, I will use legitimate guerrilla marketing techniques where I can (It's how I built my holistic spa business where I live and sold in 2005), and I will network as much as possible. My mom and dad did not send me to one of the finest private Universities in the country to get my marketing degree for me to not use it to it's fullest potential ya know.

My gut tells me KC is being used by DW. I will leave it at that. Some won't like it, but that's where I am heading after watching all of this.

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 20:02
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

And who are you talking about here? LMAO.... When it's about information and diseminating it, the people delivering it do come up as to credibility and hence it's smart to talk about them, research them etc.. I guess if we were talking about Obama and the other puppet who gets nominated that would make us small minds too. What a useless ad hominem bs comment. Cute though.

TargeT
26th January 2012, 20:02
It's all swings and round-abouts isn't it really? :)

The guy you quoted claims imposters often say their records have been sealed or burned etc, well, that's easy enough to use as a defence but also easy to see how it could be true. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't leave easily researched records in tact for any individuals with security clearance levels above the official 'top-secret' level? Well, not unless you deliberately wanted that information to be easily found for disinfo purposes or to discredit later perhaps. (the same goes for wiping all traces of it)

While I don't know the quoted individuals credentials he does at least sound like he knows what he's talking about 'from his perspective and understanding of how things work', which is fine, however that's assuming that the small part of the picture you see is all there is and there's nothing beyond that. Perhaps many times that is true, but in this case and with topics as sensative as this I doubt it's ever that simple.

The more I hear all about this the more I'm convinced that the best way way to proceed is to just remain aware of events (from many sources) and to do our own inner work collectively to raise awareness; both inside and by taking positive tangible and practical action too, together! :)

Actually, since the type of evaluation that he claims to undgergo happened AFTER training had started (IE, he enlisted (suposedly) in the navy & THEN was picked.. ) his training records would absolutely be public knowledge... we hide a lot in the military, but we are terrible at paper work.... he would be all over the place based on his own story.


On the subject of zombie-like people who don't look up to speed, Dolores Cannon has an interesting take in The Convoluted Universe Vol IV: the Back Drop People (p.560):


They are just here to be part of the backdrop (..) go from one star system to the next and they are used as a backdrop (...) for you to learn, to stay on your path, you have to have these other people in your way, living beside you, but you're here for a lesson and they're here for a backdrop (...) they're just here as energy to help us with our lessons, to create chaos or to work or just to live.

Interesting, I'll have to read that thread... I've always called them "place holders" and equated them to "NPC's" in a video game... haha

Lazlo
26th January 2012, 20:04
I would like to point out for conversation that yet again, David Wilcock promised a big revel on his website on the day following the livestream event. He was going to bring a lot of information together and validate BW. We are now 40 hours into it and, surprise, surprise...nothing.

Before I get accused of DW bashing, I would like to point out that while I have had reservations about him ever since he let us all know that he is the reincarnated Edgar Cayce and the breakdown over the torture threats, I have bought his book in an effort to remain open minded and not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Regarding the letter from the former SEAL claiming that BW/Brockbrader was never a member:

I take this as a very credible piece of evidence. I once spent a good deal of time outing someone who claimed to have been a career Navy man, and who had a daughter that was a Navy pilot who drowned in a SCUBA diving accident off the coast of Diego Garcia. (Really, really long story, but he was trying to gain financially off of this ...my Spidey senses were tingling and it really rubbed me the wrong way.) I finally got on the phone with THE officer in charge of handling the remains of all service members who die overseas. He was horrified that this scumbag would be using the claim of a dead service member for personal gain. His sense of honor was truly admirable. He didn't break any confidentiality regs or say anything that could get himself in trouble, but he did point me in the right direction and give procedural information that allowed me to get to the bottom of it all. The episode ended with the guy being taken away in cuffs.

The point of all of this is when a bonafide service member gives information like this, I believe them. The guys who actually went through the training and put their lives on the line take this seriously. I expect that we will hear from Don (per Tarka's correspondence) long before we will get copies of any documentation from BW/Brockbrader. I also expect that we will find out that he really was in the Navy, and probably was a FC Tech.

If the guys at veriseal don't provide it in the near future, Mr. Brockbrader's service records can be obtained through a FOIA request. They will either reply that he was not a service member, provide his unclassified records, or that his records are sealed and not subject to FOIA.

modwiz
26th January 2012, 20:07
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

So are you posting about an idea, and event or a person? Have a look in the mirror. The names/people in our community are synonymous with events and ideas. I have heard and read this little saying many times before. Do you have any original thoughts?

I know the ground my feet are upon.

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 20:16
You make great points Lazlo. I agree with everything you said btw. Being in the military and an FC as he describes does not mean his story is true about looking glass or yellow cube. We will never get our hands on that stuff until the ptw are removed or they share it. So, there is NO way to validate that stuff. That's what caused me so much grief in all of this. I think BW was also in the military. I think he could have gotten a conscience and did blow a mission. I do not see them forcing him out there to do more missions for reasons stated. Thus I don't buy that part of his story.

I do not buy his super psychic story either. I saw a lot of clues to his not telling the truth about events after the whole tomahawk stuff. He was very comfortable with that material. But, when it got into our area of real interest it was very circumspect, and not well explained. He did not have nearly the skill of speaking about that stuff as he did with how to work with missiles etc.. I also don't think you have to be a SEAL to do that sort of work.

Again, interesting guy, probably was military, but wow, look how important DW is again in getting this info out to us. Keep checking back!

Oh, and Lazlo, thank you for your due diligence in getting to the truth of that matter with the guy trying to capitalize on that woman's death. Our soldiers deserve so much better.

Much love,

Serenity


I would like to point out for conversation that yet again, David Wilcock promised a big revel on his website on the day following the livestream event. He was going to bring a lot of information together and validate BW. We are now 40 hours into it and, surprise, surprise...nothing.

Before I get accused of DW bashing, I would like to point out that while I have had reservations about him ever since he let us all know that he is the reincarnated Edgar Cayce and the breakdown over the torture threats, I have bought his book in an effort to remain open minded and not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Regarding the letter from the former SEAL claiming that BW/Brockbrader was never a member:

I take this as a very credible piece of evidence. I once spent a good deal of time outing someone who claimed to have been a career Navy man, and who had a daughter that was a Navy pilot who drowned in a SCUBA diving accident off the coast of Diego Garcia. (Really, really long story, but he was trying to gain financially off of this ...my Spidey senses were tingling and it really rubbed me the wrong way.) I finally got on the phone with THE officer in charge of handling the remains of all service members who die overseas. He was horrified that this scumbag would be using the claim of a dead service member for personal gain. His sense of honor was truly admirable. He didn't break any confidentiality regs or say anything that could get himself in trouble, but he did point me in the right direction and give procedural information that allowed me to get to the bottom of it all. The episode ended with the guy being taken away in cuffs.

The point of all of this is when a bonafide service member gives information like this, I believe them. The guys who actually went through the training and put their lives on the line take this seriously. I expect that we will hear from Don (per Tarka's correspondence) long before we will get copies of any documentation from BW/Brockbrader. I also expect that we will find out that he really was in the Navy, and probably was a FC Tech.

If the guys at veriseal don't provide it in the near future, Mr. Brockbrader's service records can be obtained through a FOIA request. They will either reply that he was not a service member, provide his unclassified records, or that his records are sealed and not subject to FOIA.

Tarka the Duck
26th January 2012, 20:17
If the guys at veriseal don't provide it in the near future, Mr. Brockbrader's service records can be obtained through a FOIA request. They will either reply that he was not a service member, provide his unclassified records, or that his records are sealed and not subject to FOIA.

Dear Lazio

Apparently, the 'POW network' group has already requested his service records: it could take up to a month for them to be available for scrutiny.

Kathie

christian
26th January 2012, 20:17
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

And who are you talking about here? LMAO.... When it's about information and diseminating it, the people delivering it do come up as to credibility and hence it's smart to talk about them, research them etc.. I guess if we were talking about Obama and the other puppet who gets nominated that would make us small minds too. What a useless ad hominem bs comment. Cute though.

If one's mind is so great, that one can contribute to harmony in the world just by being, one has a truly great mind, one then wouldn't participate on Avalon, I assume.

Now that makes us all average to small minds at least to a large degree in comparison, I can live with that. If you want to diseminate credentials etc. - surely a reasonable thing to do - you are in fact discussing events, as you want to find out what people did, what their track record is. Then calling people names, speculating about their motivations, thoughts and emotions is talking about people. Talking about Obama might well be kind of it all, it may be about the idea of presidency and a republic, about what he actually does and about why he would do so, what his personality is.

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 20:21
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

And who are you talking about here? LMAO.... When it's about information and diseminating it, the people delivering it do come up as to credibility and hence it's smart to talk about them, research them etc.. I guess if we were talking about Obama and the other puppet who gets nominated that would make us small minds too. What a useless ad hominem bs comment. Cute though.

If one's mind is so great, that one can contribute to harmony in the world just by being, one has a truly great mind, one then wouldn't participate on Avalon, I assume.

Now that makes us all average to small minds at least to a large degree in comparison, I can live with that. If you want to diseminate credentials etc. - surely a reasonable thing to do - you are in fact discussing events, as you want to find out what people did, what their track record is. Then calling people names, speculating about their motivations, thoughts and emotions is talking about people. Talking about Obama might well be kind of it all, it may be about the idea of presidency and a republic, about what he actually does and about why he would do so, what his personality is.

How do you learn if you are being conned if you do not talk about the person doing the conning and the events around it? I guess to you that is a bad thing. I think some here would like to not waste their time being conned and if they knew the facts about a person they would not bother with listening to them if such facts reveal them to be a lier. But, you and I hardly ever agree on anything, so I will leave you to your thoughts and I to mine.

christian
26th January 2012, 20:33
How do you learn if you are being conned if you do not talk about the person doing the conning and the events around it?

[...]

You and I hardly ever agree on anything.

Of course it is reasonable to find this out, we obviously agree, that's what I said "surely a reasonable thing to do". I just tried to explain those 3 lines from my perspective, the first point I made there is the difference between talking about a person's perceived character and a person's track record, those are not the same things.

The other point is, that a truly great mind would simply know, because nothing is truly hidden or seperate. That an average mind investigates events and that a small mind would just draw conclusions upon whether or not one likes somebody's nose or not, to put it very simple. I know where my place is in all that, and most of the time it's not on top of the heap, that's true for most people on earth right now, I find, but I assume we both would agree again, that we are intent on changing this and raising out of the quagmire.

Bill Ryan
26th January 2012, 20:34
I am surprised no one so far has said that all this endorses Dan Burisch, who is supposedly discredited.

From what I understand, Dan was (influenced by his lady and) led to believe that Kerry & Bill have a sinister agenda, thus he stopped the contact. - This does not discredit his testimony.

This is correct. Dan's testimony holds true.

Kerry, David Wilcock and I are and always have been in full agreement about this.

firstlook
26th January 2012, 20:34
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

So are you posting about an idea, and event or a person? Have a look in the mirror. The names/people in our community are synonymous with events and ideas. I have heard and read this little saying many times before. Do you have any original thoughts?

I know the ground my feet are upon.

Why do you call people fools? Thats what I was implying. I don't understand how that helps people improve their critical thinking. It adds unneeded defenses to the process which shrinks ones perception and divides people. And people divided cannot learn from each other and grow.

I respect your opinions and hope that you did not take it as an insult to your intellect. Merely trying to add thoughts that help keep discussion free and without separation of worth and hierarchy. Ideas should remain hierarchal as is the nature of the universe and creation, but putting others down in labels causes stationary thinking.

Just trying to help, honest.

Bill Ryan
26th January 2012, 20:37
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

If this is helpful:

Kerry personally urged me, very strongly, to read Sean's new book -- the testimony of a recently deceased Montauk Project whistleblower disguised as fiction.

Sean's personality is not the point: what may be important here (and I have not yet read the book) is the testimony it apparently contains.

firstlook
26th January 2012, 20:41
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

And who are you talking about here? LMAO.... When it's about information and diseminating it, the people delivering it do come up as to credibility and hence it's smart to talk about them, research them etc.. I guess if we were talking about Obama and the other puppet who gets nominated that would make us small minds too. What a useless ad hominem bs comment. Cute though.

If one's mind is so great, that one can contribute to harmony in the world just by being, one has a truly great mind, one then wouldn't participate on Avalon, I assume.

Now that makes us all average to small minds at least to a large degree in comparison, I can live with that. If you want to diseminate credentials etc. - surely a reasonable thing to do - you are in fact discussing events, as you want to find out what people did, what their track record is. Then calling people names, speculating about their motivations, thoughts and emotions is talking about people. Talking about Obama might well be kind of it all, it may be about the idea of presidency and a republic, about what he actually does and about why he would do so, what his personality is.

How do you learn if you are being conned if you do not talk about the person doing the conning and the events around it? I guess to you that is a bad thing. I think some here would like to not waste their time being conned and if they knew the facts about a person they would not bother with listening to them if such facts reveal them to be a lier. But, you and I hardly ever agree on anything, so I will leave you to your thoughts and I to mine.

I don't think anyone on this planet thinks they are a con man. And even those that would admit this are simply in a state of survival for their ideas and comfort. Making them feel like they are guilty of being close minded and wrong does nothing to better the situation for both the mentor or the student. I'm not saying you should feel guilty about disagreeing,

I know That I agree with your signature. I would think Sean David Morton would too. People are not just their ideas and mannerisms. They deserve credit for existing and participating whether you agree or not. This is not a philosophy as more so its just the natural course of reality. As above So below. Hope you do not take offense for these ideas. I do care.

Bill Ryan
26th January 2012, 20:42
Oh yes, the important and liberating information of our times.

I understand Sean's mannerisms, ego, and personality don't sit right with some people, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement. I did not say his book held the holy grail of important and liberating info, I just said I thought it was an excellent read. Sean is a very well read and intelligent man, and he has a big picture perspective that I find very close to complete.

There must be a language difficulty between us. I will drop it.

No, there is not. You [Modwiz] are often negatively sarcastic to the point of being transparently obnoxious to anyone with any open perception. You read it here first.

firstlook
26th January 2012, 20:46
How do you learn if you are being conned if you do not talk about the person doing the conning and the events around it?

[...]

You and I hardly ever agree on anything.

Of course it is reasonable to find this out, we obviously agree, that's what I said "surely a reasonable thing to do". I just tried to explain those 3 lines from my perspective, the first point I made there is the difference between talking about a person's perceived character and a person's track record, those are not the same things.

The other point is, that a truly great mind would simply know, because nothing is truly hidden or seperate. That an average mind investigates events and that a small mind would just draw conclusions upon whether or not one likes somebody's nose or not, to put it very simple. I know where my place is in all that, and most of the time it's not on top of the heap, that's true for most people on earth right now, I find, but I assume we both would agree again, that we are intent on changing this and raising out of the quagmire.

Agreed.

Also I am not claiming a Great mind. Just one that tries to be part of whats going on to make things more peaceful and in line to everyones desires.

Tarka the Duck
26th January 2012, 20:49
Hi Bill!

Any comment about the Bill Wood/Brockbrader material? (allegations that he was not a SEAL).

Kathie

13th Warrior
26th January 2012, 20:49
Oh yes, the important and liberating information of our times.

I understand Sean's mannerisms, ego, and personality don't sit right with some people, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement. I did not say his book held the holy grail of important and liberating info, I just said I thought it was an excellent read. Sean is a very well read and intelligent man, and he has a big picture perspective that I find very close to complete.

There must be a language difficulty between us. I will drop it.

No, there is not. You [Modwiz] are often negatively sarcastic to the point of being transparently obnoxious to anyone with any open perception. You read it here first.


Sorry Bro,

i sometimes agree.

Bill Ryan
26th January 2012, 20:49
Hi Bill!

Any comment about the Bill Wood/Brockbrader material? (allegations that he was not a SEAL).

Kathie


He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but cannot know for 100% sure) that Referee's comment describes the situation.

I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork. I have not seen this -- but I don't doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I do believe Bill Wood is credible.

Tarka the Duck
26th January 2012, 20:52
He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but do not know) that this is the case. I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork.

I have not seen this -- but I do not doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I believe Bill Wood is credible.

So you believe that the letters from the ex SEALS Don Shipley and Steve Robinson are untrue?

firstlook
26th January 2012, 20:52
I thought it was seal team 10? Don't know the difference of separate teams and their roles though.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
26th January 2012, 21:06
whatever happened to aaron macollum and would he have any input on bill wood's testimony?

Bill Ryan
26th January 2012, 21:13
He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but do not know) that this is the case. I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork.

I have not seen this -- but I do not doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I believe Bill Wood is credible.

So you believe that the letters from the ex SEALS Don Shipley and Steve Robinson are untrue?

They may not have access to all the information. Some SEAL activities and units are highly compartmentalized and classified.

It's also highly possible in this world of intrigue that some SEALS will use legitimate means (like stating truthfully that certain records cannot be found) to discredit one of their own who they consider to have acted unethically by breaking ranks.

We do have to be intelligent about this. We are, in effect, in a Hollywood movie here. Anything at all could be going on -- and we may not yet know exactly what.

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 21:18
I don't think anyone on this planet thinks they are a con man.

Do you really believe no one on this planet thinks they are a con man? Really? I am not asking sarcastically. I am shocked because I could point to a plethora of proven con men who bilked people out of millions if not billions of dollars, and it was not out of surviving at that level of a con. No, that was a predatory sociopathic leech on society. We call them politicians in Washington DC btw, but there are plenty in the private sector making a mint on New Ageism, Truth Movement, Christianity, Pop Psychology..... I could go on and on. They ride the wave and hop off at some point to sip wine coolers on the beach.


I know That I agree with your signature. I would think Sean David Morton would too. People are not just their ideas and mannerisms. They deserve credit for existing and participating whether you agree or not. This is not a philosophy as more so its just the natural course of reality. As above So below. Hope you do not take offense for these ideas. I do care.

I don't have an axe to grind with you at all, so please know my words are not meant to be harsh. I have no idea why SDM is even brought up here in regards to my words. Oh, if it is about people on this forum I would agree. There are plenty of people on this forum who have no problem attacking me despite taking great umbridge at my questioning motives of media darlings who do not appear to live up to their teachings or their stories don't line up with logical facts. Then there are the people in general, say those trying to educate our children or being pushed in the media as the new and latest guru I would disagree. Many people are led down terrible paths under false pretenses. I'm sure some who have fallen prey to the would be abusive guru mind control cult leader would have wished they had someone to point some things out before they fell under their spell.

modwiz
26th January 2012, 21:26
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

So are you posting about an idea, and event or a person? Have a look in the mirror. The names/people in our community are synonymous with events and ideas. I have heard and read this little saying many times before. Do you have any original thoughts?

I know the ground my feet are upon.

Why do you call people fools? Thats what I was implying. I don't understand how that helps people improve their critical thinking. It adds unneeded defenses to the process which shrinks ones perception and divides people. And people divided cannot learn from each other and grow.

I respect your opinions and hope that you did not take it as an insult to your intellect. Merely trying to add thoughts that help keep discussion free and without separation of worth and hierarchy. Ideas should remain hierarchal as is the nature of the universe and creation, but putting others down in labels causes stationary thinking.

Just trying to help, honest.

I believe you are trying to help and are being honest. So, I will endeavor to give my best flameless answer. I believe Sean conducts himself in a fashion that is distracting in a way that his actions take away from the gravitas of others. The word fool is meant as a descriptive one and not a cheap shot. So perhaps pedantry demands that I describe his actions as appearing foolish rather than the ad hominem of calling him a fool. I believe my perception of him should be able to find expression. Part of being a public figure is being a tomato target. It is why I know his name and he doesn't know mine. I will edit my OP. What I thought was pointing to a blemish has backfired. My coyote medicine at work.

However, pursuant to a point Bill Ryan made to my OP on this matter, the focus on what he has to say in his book and not his behavior should be the focus. I will not make a further fool of myself by doing anything other than just stepping back quietly and apologize for my opinions.

firstlook
26th January 2012, 21:36
I don't think anyone on this planet thinks they are a con man.

Do you really believe no one on this planet thinks they are a con man? Really? I am not asking sarcastically. I am shocked because I could point to a plethora of proven con men who bilked people out of millions if not billions of dollars, and it was not out of surviving at that level of a con. No, that was a predatory sociopathic leech on society. We call them politicians in Washington DC btw, but there are plenty in the private sector making a mint on New Ageism, Truth Movement, Christianity, Pop Psychology..... I could go on and on. They ride the wave and hop off at some point to sip wine coolers on the beach.

I guess I mean that Con men do not necessarily mean Lies on all levels. Usually it is truth mixed in with hidden desires of externalizing desires discussed as empathy for the betterment of others. This is indeed the definition of sociopath contradictions. What really bugs people I think is a "con mans" inability show genuine reflection. Meaning rarely do you see con men criticizing themselves even in the slightest. But people who genuinely are just trying to support their ideas out of that feeling of comfort and sustainability do not really see themselves as "evil". They genuinely are not trying to be selfish more so then suffering from the courage to discuss things without defending their own ego. We all suffer this and so I think we have to be more balanced in evaluating intentions. But I do still stand buy the statement that even the most sinister people do bad things for good reasons. Its all a very wide ranged scale that needs good discipline in giving your time and energy too. I do agree we shouldn't treat everyone as equal in this measure. But Sean Morten IMO is way further on the scale of genuine empathy and compassion then what would be commonly refereed to as a con man.





I know That I agree with your signature. I would think Sean David Morton would too. People are not just their ideas and mannerisms. They deserve credit for existing and participating whether you agree or not. This is not a philosophy as more so its just the natural course of reality. As above So below. Hope you do not take offense for these ideas. I do care.


I don't have an axe to grind with you at all, so please know my words are not meant to be harsh. I have no idea why SDM is even brought up here in regards to my words. Oh, if it is about people on this forum I would agree. There are plenty of people on this forum who have no problem attacking me despite taking great umbridge at my questioning motives of media darlings who do not appear to live up to their teachings or their stories don't line up with logical facts. Then there are the people in general, say those trying to educate our children or being pushed in the media as the new and latest guru I would disagree. Many people are led down terrible paths under false pretenses. I'm sure some who have fallen prey to the would be abusive guru mind control cult leader would have wished they had someone to point some things out before they fell under their spell.

No offense taken. Communication is hard for me and so I always try to give that to others in a well meaning way. You'll notice I don't post much about my feelings on more fact based ideas because I'm very slow to be honest. I think thats why my posts tend to be more of a social emphasize based on my sensitive nature. I have to be careful because that sensitivity is hard to focus when viewing logical structures and patterns. I really enjoy alot of your thoughts along with all members of this forum.

:)

onawah
26th January 2012, 21:38
Another thing that may need to be taken into account is the authenticity of the documents and paperwork that Kerry saw.
Such things, I imagine, can be forged.
Testimony from other SEALS or whistleblowers who know him and have no issue with his ethics would certainly be helpful, if possible.
He's still a new name in the field, so that may take time to surface, if it does at all.
The timing on this is certainly a big factor, since there aren't a lot of other whistleblowers surfacing these days...




He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but do not know) that this is the case. I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork.

I have not seen this -- but I do not doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I believe Bill Wood is credible.

So you believe that the letters from the ex SEALS Don Shipley and Steve Robinson are untrue?

They may not have access to all the information. Some SEAL activities and units are highly compartmentalized and classified.

It's also highly possible in this world of intrigue that some SEALS will use legitimate means (like stating truthfully that certain records cannot be found) to discredit one of their own who they consider to have acted unethically by breaking ranks.

We do have to be intelligent about this. We are, in effect, in a Hollywood movie here. Anything at all could be going on -- and we may not yet know exactly what.

firstlook
26th January 2012, 21:45
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds talk about people

:)

So are you posting about an idea, and event or a person? Have a look in the mirror. The names/people in our community are synonymous with events and ideas. I have heard and read this little saying many times before. Do you have any original thoughts?

I know the ground my feet are upon.

Why do you call people fools? Thats what I was implying. I don't understand how that helps people improve their critical thinking. It adds unneeded defenses to the process which shrinks ones perception and divides people. And people divided cannot learn from each other and grow.

I respect your opinions and hope that you did not take it as an insult to your intellect. Merely trying to add thoughts that help keep discussion free and without separation of worth and hierarchy. Ideas should remain hierarchal as is the nature of the universe and creation, but putting others down in labels causes stationary thinking.

Just trying to help, honest.

I believe you are trying to help and are being honest. So, I will endeavor to give my best flameless answer. I believe Sean conducts himself in a fashion that is distracting in a way that his actions take away fro the gravitas of others. The word fool is meant as a descriptive one and not a cheap shot. So perhaps pedantry demands that I describe his actions as appearing foolish rather than the ad hominem or calling him a fool. I believe my perception of him should be able to find expression. Part of being a public figure is being a tomato target. It is why I know his name and he doesn't know mine. I will edit my OP. What I thought was pointing to a blemish has backfired. My coyote medicine at work.

However, pursuant to a point Bill Ryan made to my OP on this matter, the focus on what he has to say in his book and not his behavior should be the focus. I will not make a further fool of myself by doing anything other than just steeping back quietly and apologize for my opinions.

I think I understand. Sean does play a defensive role many times expressed through passive aggressive comedy. Such as his ability to understand the nature of DW's breakdown from the death threat/s. I guess we can only take the best and leave the rest in all the best intentions.

Also I have not read his book and so I think if we are challenging each others intellect on the facts of logic you win by default and I welcome your opinions whole heartedly.

Thanks. :)

aranuk
26th January 2012, 21:52
01:38:40 The last seven moves on the chess game...
I have the feeling that the "uphold" of the rules of the game is taken for granted here. (in order for the specific result / conclusion to be drawn) .
What if the rules can be bend or broken on a technicality / interference?
Any thoughts?

Stavros

Incidentally in the rules of chess each player must write down his move against the proper number of moves. If it is an organised game the players must play with a clock. They must press their clock with the same hand that they moved the piece with. If one player is running out of time they are allowed to just put a line instead of writing their move, but the other player who is not running out of time MUST write his move down. If the person who is running out of time (and usually they are losing) notices that the other person didn't write their moves down properly they can call on a referee and claim the game. I played competitive chess for 30 yrs. These are the rules. So the person who can see he is going to be checkmated can pull a fast one provided the other person is lax.
The game is not over until it is over.

Stan

firstlook
26th January 2012, 21:54
whatever happened to aaron macollum and would he have any input on bill wood's testimony?

I believe Aaron has withdrawn his input with the community for a while to further investigate his path and some history of his family. I would assume though that he was in a very different branch of the Seals/"Above Top Secret" groups and would likely not coincide with similar events if my memory serves me correct. Though it is a small world.

modwiz
26th January 2012, 22:02
Oh yes, the important and liberating information of our times.

I understand Sean's mannerisms, ego, and personality don't sit right with some people, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement. I did not say his book held the holy grail of important and liberating info, I just said I thought it was an excellent read. Sean is a very well read and intelligent man, and he has a big picture perspective that I find very close to complete.

There must be a language difficulty between us. I will drop it.

No, there is not. You [Modwiz] are often negatively sarcastic to the point of being transparently obnoxious to anyone with any open perception. You read it here first.


Sorry Bro,

i sometimes agree.

LOL. Me too.

firstlook
26th January 2012, 22:03
01:38:40 The last seven moves on the chess game...
I have the feeling that the "uphold" of the rules of the game is taken for granted here. (in order for the specific result / conclusion to be drawn) .
What if the rules can be bend or broken on a technicality / interference?
Any thoughts?

Stavros

Incidentally in the rules of chess each player must write down his move against the proper number of moves. If it is an organised game the players must play with a clock. They must press their clock with the same hand that they moved the piece with. If one player is running out of time they are allowed to just put a line instead of writing their move, but the other player who is not running out of time MUST write his move down. If the person who is running out of time (and usually they are losing) notices that the other person didn't write their moves down properly they can call on a referee and claim the game. I played competitive chess for 30 yrs. These are the rules. So the person who can see he is going to be checkmated can pull a fast one provided the other person is lax.
The game is not over until it is over.

Stan

It would be interesting to see someone like you to somehow draw up a model representation based on Chess in a certain set of parameters to somehow further consolidate possible outcomes. Much like those chess magazines I've seen that outlay all those strategies. I think alot of people here could make it very productive.

Could make for a good analogy that presents a clear picture to work with. Maybe?

crested-duck
26th January 2012, 22:20
Don't you think they are doing their best to do "due diligence" before they associate their names with these whistleblowers? Don't you think they have resources we will NOT have (and probably never will have) access to? Are these people human and could they be duped (possibly but unlikely) and provide us BAD "intel? Of course, but that's not their intention.

Ummm, no I don't think Kerry provided any proof or even attempted to mention it in the first interview that she had vetted Mr. Woods. How about some simple enlistment paperwork, or his exit paperwork, or his court martial paperwork. When was the last time you ever were involved in any legal preceedings that you did not get some paperwork?

How about a photo or two in the fields with is fellow soldiers? As I said, I've never met a soldier who did not have that, and he probably has some, but he didn't show them. He can cover up their faces. I actually do think he was in the military, but where are the basic proofs? Ok, set that all aside and think like someone who is responsible for completing missions and his men's / bases safety.

I did a little role playing the other day in my mind. I put myself in a role of a commanding officer over Mr. Wood's SEAL team. I said, if I were commanding this team, and they were doing highly classified missions and the guy with his finger on the guiding system fire controls for a million dollar deadly weapon suddenly gets a conscience and fails to complete his mission, would I send him back into the field to do even more unsavory tasks as indicated by Mr. Woods first interview?

My first priority is to complete missions and to protect my men. If a soldier is no longer trustworthy and is in direct control of such a powerful weapon as a guided tomahawk, would I give him another one to use? Forget the waste of letting it hit a "safe" area of dirt, what about him turning it around and using it on say a forward base of ours? I can see the scene,

I'm sipping coffee and talking with General X, and he says, "So, what's up with your boy Woods?" Setting my cup down, "Well Sir, we really taught him a lesson! We court martialed him to put him at even more mental stress, and he is out in the field thirty miles from here getting ready to hit that school full of those little girls to put pressure on the village to comply." The General stands up and says, "You stupid mother ❤❤❤❤er, you did what?" and just as I hear those words an alarm sounds and in comes a tomahawk with a nice camera on it for Woods to see the look on our faces as we say, "OH SH IT"!

I mean just look at this logically. Woods career was over the moment HE decided to not complete that mission. He would have either gone to prison or been sent to peel 100,000 potatoes while his contract expired. There are plenty of SEALS to take his place, he was not that valuable of an asset. No one in the military is that valuable of an asset who shows they cannot complete a mission which the military deems necessary. No, I am not justifying missions, I am a student of Sun Tzu and knowing my situation.

I have other issues with information shared in the second interview. I just do not believe all of Mr. Woods testimony about what happened in the military. We can agree or disagree on how we see Mr. Woods comments. From my experience, that part does not stand up logically. Some would say, so what, he is telling us important information. Is he really? What has he revealed that we have not heard before? Remember, repeat a lie often and the people begin to believe it. I do not believe we have anything energetically / miraculous coming Dec. 21, 2012. I do believe our environment can be manipulated by technology, politically, in the media to help us think a certain way and want certain changes. That's what I think is happening. We are being manipulated into a new world system, plain and simple. I'm with you 100% on this one US! When I saw 1st int. thought he seemed sincere, but the more I think about it, it does'nt feel quite right. And while we're talking about minipulating people, I think something is going on with Bill Ryan, but have'nt quite figured it out yet. After all he had a priviledged childhood, his father created the face recognition computer program for the govt he was working for. It really is'nt a far reach to think he's being used for their benefit too. At this point I trust nobody but myself and my wife. Also that Inelia claimed if someone was having financial problems she would send her cd's for free- Well last summer I was having financial troubles because I was raising my nephew because his mom is a heroin addict. She never replied to me or sent any cd's- SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU PEOPLE. The lies come in all shapes and sizes and come from every direction. Will I be banned now for speaking MY truth?? We shall see soon enough!

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 22:33
Don't you think they are doing their best to do "due diligence" before they associate their names with these whistleblowers? Don't you think they have resources we will NOT have (and probably never will have) access to? Are these people human and could they be duped (possibly but unlikely) and provide us BAD "intel? Of course, but that's not their intention.

Ummm, no I don't think Kerry provided any proof or even attempted to mention it in the first interview that she had vetted Mr. Woods. How about some simple enlistment paperwork, or his exit paperwork, or his court martial paperwork. When was the last time you ever were involved in any legal preceedings that you did not get some paperwork?

How about a photo or two in the fields with is fellow soldiers? As I said, I've never met a soldier who did not have that, and he probably has some, but he didn't show them. He can cover up their faces. I actually do think he was in the military, but where are the basic proofs? Ok, set that all aside and think like someone who is responsible for completing missions and his men's / bases safety.

I did a little role playing the other day in my mind. I put myself in a role of a commanding officer over Mr. Wood's SEAL team. I said, if I were commanding this team, and they were doing highly classified missions and the guy with his finger on the guiding system fire controls for a million dollar deadly weapon suddenly gets a conscience and fails to complete his mission, would I send him back into the field to do even more unsavory tasks as indicated by Mr. Woods first interview?

My first priority is to complete missions and to protect my men. If a soldier is no longer trustworthy and is in direct control of such a powerful weapon as a guided tomahawk, would I give him another one to use? Forget the waste of letting it hit a "safe" area of dirt, what about him turning it around and using it on say a forward base of ours? I can see the scene,

I'm sipping coffee and talking with General X, and he says, "So, what's up with your boy Woods?" Setting my cup down, "Well Sir, we really taught him a lesson! We court martialed him to put him at even more mental stress, and he is out in the field thirty miles from here getting ready to hit that school full of those little girls to put pressure on the village to comply." The General stands up and says, "You stupid mother ❤❤❤❤er, you did what?" and just as I hear those words an alarm sounds and in comes a tomahawk with a nice camera on it for Woods to see the look on our faces as we say, "OH SH IT"!

I mean just look at this logically. Woods career was over the moment HE decided to not complete that mission. He would have either gone to prison or been sent to peel 100,000 potatoes while his contract expired. There are plenty of SEALS to take his place, he was not that valuable of an asset. No one in the military is that valuable of an asset who shows they cannot complete a mission which the military deems necessary. No, I am not justifying missions, I am a student of Sun Tzu and knowing my situation.

I have other issues with information shared in the second interview. I just do not believe all of Mr. Woods testimony about what happened in the military. We can agree or disagree on how we see Mr. Woods comments. From my experience, that part does not stand up logically. Some would say, so what, he is telling us important information. Is he really? What has he revealed that we have not heard before? Remember, repeat a lie often and the people begin to believe it. I do not believe we have anything energetically / miraculous coming Dec. 21, 2012. I do believe our environment can be manipulated by technology, politically, in the media to help us think a certain way and want certain changes. That's what I think is happening. We are being manipulated into a new world system, plain and simple. I'm with you 100% on this one US! When I saw 1st int. thought he seemed sincere, but the more I think about it, it does'nt feel quite right. And while we're talking about minipulating people, I think something is going on with Bill Ryan, but have'nt quite figured it out yet. After all he had a priviledged childhood, his father created the face recognition computer program for the govt he was working for. It really is'nt a far reach to think he's being used for their benefit too. At this point I trust nobody but myself and my wife. Also that Inelia claimed if someone was having financial problems she would send her cd's for free- Well last summer I was having financial troubles because I was raising my nephew because his mom is a heroin addict. She never replied to me or sent any cd's- SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU PEOPLE. The lies come in all shapes and sizes and come from every direction. Will I be banned now for speaking MY truth?? We shall see soon enough!

Did you write Inelia back? It might just be an oversight? I am careful with feelings in regards to reading people. Yes, I do read energetically, but it's important to look for facts. I can tell you that I have never gotten the, "I'm really pulling on over on them" energy from Bill Ryan. I can tell you that something seems off in the last three interviews I have watched with Kerry. Something seems off. This is not meant as an attack on Kerry btw. It feels more like she's stepped into some crap, it's stuck to her foot and she's doing her damdest to shake it off and move on sort of feeling.

I tend to call things as I see them. It's my opinion and we all have one, so that's just my take on it. I've never been an A$$ kisser, and my friends can speak the truth to me as well. If it's coming from a friend whom I know loves and cares about me I don't take it as a slight to just hurt me, but to help. If it's coming from someone who is not a friend, then it is just an attack to belittle me, try to get me to comply and / or stfu which never works with me.

mountain_jim
26th January 2012, 22:36
The lies come in all shapes and sizes and come from every direction.

Particularly to those for whom this belief is active and thus reality sends what is believed in to be experienced and then beliefs are confirmed, as always.

using Bill Ryan and Inelia as examples of suspected liars/manipulators.... :(

BestLion
26th January 2012, 22:48
I watched about 30 minutes of this today..and had enough of this stuff!
I'm sticking to my original statement that the guy is a fraud. Period! the guy claims to be a navy seal on seal team 9, a team that 'doesn't exist'..
On near every forum they all say he is a joke and a fraud impersonator. So this just aint me going off on a rant.
Also i did a quick search on dog pile and many forums also agree with my assessment that he is a fraud.Let me cut and paste a few comments others have made on this 'Wild Bill Wood"

It was quite an interview. But I went back and looked at it again. Something didn’t feel right so I did a little research. At around the 50:20 mark, he tells a blatant lie that casts doubt on the entire interview. He said the age of consent back at the time of the so-called rape of a 16 year old, was age 18. In fact, the California age of consent laws were changed from age 16 to 18 back in 1913. Casts a big doubt in my mind about his credibility.

If you check with the folks who keep track of such things you will find that Bill Wood is not now nor has he ever been a Navy Seal. He is a fraud. Nothing he says can be believed.

You can believe this man if you like, however it is clear to those who should know, that he is making false claims about his military service and actions. Please make the inquiries yourself, there are several options available to you. The fact that he is promoting the tale of the known fraud Dan Burisch/Dan Crain/Dan Catselas (three names, is that a clue?) is also a good indicator of this fellows lack of credibility.

Utter bull****, and he's a fraud and a liar.

Do a search next time.

n the video Bill Wood claims to have been apart of top secret SEAL TEAM 9 and bombed civillians in Iraq after the gulf war, but thats not all he also claims to have been trained in Psi-ops and all sorts of weird stuff.

but at the very start he says this is all to promote his BS book.

Too bad Former Navy SEAL Don Shipley has quickly busted him, and suspects that he is using a fake name, and has called for help to find out who this BS artist truly is.


I used to be a Navy SEAL like you, then I took an bullet in the knee...

crested-duck
26th January 2012, 22:49
Don't you think they are doing their best to do "due diligence" before they associate their names with these whistleblowers? Don't you think they have resources we will NOT have (and probably never will have) access to? Are these people human and could they be duped (possibly but unlikely) and provide us BAD "intel? Of course, but that's not their intention.

Ummm, no I don't think Kerry provided any proof or even attempted to mention it in the first interview that she had vetted Mr. Woods. How about some simple enlistment paperwork, or his exit paperwork, or his court martial paperwork. When was the last time you ever were involved in any legal preceedings that you did not get some paperwork?

How about a photo or two in the fields with is fellow soldiers? As I said, I've never met a soldier who did not have that, and he probably has some, but he didn't show them. He can cover up their faces. I actually do think he was in the military, but where are the basic proofs? Ok, set that all aside and think like someone who is responsible for completing missions and his men's / bases safety.

I did a little role playing the other day in my mind. I put myself in a role of a commanding officer over Mr. Wood's SEAL team. I said, if I were commanding this team, and they were doing highly classified missions and the guy with his finger on the guiding system fire controls for a million dollar deadly weapon suddenly gets a conscience and fails to complete his mission, would I send him back into the field to do even more unsavory tasks as indicated by Mr. Woods first interview?

My first priority is to complete missions and to protect my men. If a soldier is no longer trustworthy and is in direct control of such a powerful weapon as a guided tomahawk, would I give him another one to use? Forget the waste of letting it hit a "safe" area of dirt, what about him turning it around and using it on say a forward base of ours? I can see the scene,

I'm sipping coffee and talking with General X, and he says, "So, what's up with your boy Woods?" Setting my cup down, "Well Sir, we really taught him a lesson! We court martialed him to put him at even more mental stress, and he is out in the field thirty miles from here getting ready to hit that school full of those little girls to put pressure on the village to comply." The General stands up and says, "You stupid mother ❤❤❤❤er, you did what?" and just as I hear those words an alarm sounds and in comes a tomahawk with a nice camera on it for Woods to see the look on our faces as we say, "OH SH IT"!

I mean just look at this logically. Woods career was over the moment HE decided to not complete that mission. He would have either gone to prison or been sent to peel 100,000 potatoes while his contract expired. There are plenty of SEALS to take his place, he was not that valuable of an asset. No one in the military is that valuable of an asset who shows they cannot complete a mission which the military deems necessary. No, I am not justifying missions, I am a student of Sun Tzu and knowing my situation.

I have other issues with information shared in the second interview. I just do not believe all of Mr. Woods testimony about what happened in the military. We can agree or disagree on how we see Mr. Woods comments. From my experience, that part does not stand up logically. Some would say, so what, he is telling us important information. Is he really? What has he revealed that we have not heard before? Remember, repeat a lie often and the people begin to believe it. I do not believe we have anything energetically / miraculous coming Dec. 21, 2012. I do believe our environment can be manipulated by technology, politically, in the media to help us think a certain way and want certain changes. That's what I think is happening. We are being manipulated into a new world system, plain and simple. I'm with you 100% on this one US! When I saw 1st int. thought he seemed sincere, but the more I think about it, it does'nt feel quite right. And while we're talking about minipulating people, I think something is going on with Bill Ryan, but have'nt quite figured it out yet. After all he had a priviledged childhood, his father created the face recognition computer program for the govt he was working for. It really is'nt a far reach to think he's being used for their benefit too. At this point I trust nobody but myself and my wife. Also that Inelia claimed if someone was having financial problems she would send her cd's for free- Well last summer I was having financial troubles because I was raising my nephew because his mom is a heroin addict. She never replied to me or sent any cd's- SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU PEOPLE. The lies come in all shapes and sizes and come from every direction. Will I be banned now for speaking MY truth?? We shall see soon enough!

Did you write Inelia back? It might just be an oversight? I am careful with feelings in regards to reading people. Yes, I do read energetically, but it's important to look for facts. I can tell you that I have never gotten the, "I'm really pulling on over on them" energy from Bill Ryan. I can tell you that something seems off in the last three interviews I have watched with Kerry. Something seems off. This is not meant as an attack on Kerry btw. It feels more like she's stepped into some crap, it's stuck to her foot and she's doing her damdest to shake it off and move on sort of feeling.

I tend to call things as I see them. It's my opinion and we all have one, so that's just my take on it. I've never been an A$$ kisser, and my friends can speak the truth to me as well. If it's coming from a friend whom I know loves and cares about me I don't take it as a slight to just hurt me, but to help. If it's coming from someone who is not a friend, then it is just an attack to belittle me, try to get me to comply and / or stfu which never works with me. I sent situation info through her website and my wifes FB, as I refuse to have a FB account. Explained situation thoroughly. Bill is a likeable guy but I do'nt think all his cards are on the table for all to see yet. But that is just MY gut feeling about the situation. Not looking to start a riot, just stating how I feel.

TargeT
26th January 2012, 22:56
I'm with you 100% on this one US! When I saw 1st int. thought he seemed sincere, but the more I think about it, it does'nt feel quite right. And while we're talking about minipulating people, I think something is going on with Bill Ryan, but have'nt quite figured it out yet. After all he had a priviledged childhood, his father created the face recognition computer program for the govt he was working for. It really is'nt a far reach to think he's being used for their benefit too. At this point I trust nobody but myself and my wife. Also that Inelia claimed if someone was having financial problems she would send her cd's for free- Well last summer I was having financial troubles because I was raising my nephew because his mom is a heroin addict. She never replied to me or sent any cd's- SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU PEOPLE. The lies come in all shapes and sizes and come from every direction. Will I be banned now for speaking MY truth?? We shall see soon enough!

Hmm an old saying comes to mind....

Question EVERYTHING, always.

Thank you for your story on your "Inelia" experience.... she I would lump into wilford/ fulcock & this new guy... I personaly agree with your points and highly doubt you will be banned for this, do not live or act in fear (even of banning) you are then comprimising your true self :)

stay skeptical, stay questioning... if it feels right, double check i then go with it, if not, do the same! :) effort = gains in 3d... don't be afraid to break a sweat :D


[I'm with you 100% on this one US! When I saw 1st int. thought he seemed sincere, but the more I think about it, it does'nt feel quite right. And while we're talking about minipulating people, I think something is going on with Bill Ryan, but have'nt quite figured it out yet. After all he had a priviledged childhood, his father created the face recognition computer program for the govt he was working for. It really is'nt a far reach to think he's being used for their benefit too. At this point I trust nobody but myself and my wife. Also that Inelia claimed if someone was having financial problems she would send her cd's for free- Well last summer I was having financial troubles because I was raising my nephew because his mom is a heroin addict. She never replied to me or sent any cd's- SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU PEOPLE. The lies come in all shapes and sizes and come from every direction. Will I be banned now for speaking MY truth?? We shall see soon enough!

Did you write Inelia back? It might just be an oversight? I am careful with feelings in regards to reading people. Yes, I do read energetically, but it's important to look for facts. I can tell you that I have never gotten the, "I'm really pulling on over on them" energy from Bill Ryan. I can tell you that something seems off in the last three interviews I have watched with Kerry. Something seems off. This is not meant as an attack on Kerry btw. It feels more like she's stepped into some crap, it's stuck to her foot and she's doing her damdest to shake it off and move on sort of feeling.

I tend to call things as I see them. It's my opinion and we all have one, so that's just my take on it. I've never been an A$$ kisser, and my friends can speak the truth to me as well. If it's coming from a friend whom I know loves and cares about me I don't take it as a slight to just hurt me, but to help. If it's coming from someone who is not a friend, then it is just an attack to belittle me, try to get me to comply and / or stfu which never works with me.[/QUOTE]

I agree I don't sense mallace, actually I don't sense mallace in any of them, not as a primary modivator anyway...

& while I do agree that money needs to be made to live & not many people are lucky enough to extensively research like some of us can...

but to ME... the FUNDAMENTAL IDEA behind a website like this.. a MOVEMENT like this...

Money, profit, EXCLUSIVENESS IN ANY FORM OR MANNOR have NO PLACE WHAT SO EVER

the book pushing by wilcock was a touch much in this one.... Offer it for free with a donation link, I'd donate if the info was worthy.. I download songs then buy them if I like them... I financialy support that which I wish to see more of, all of us do (if not conciously(awarely?)).

BestLion
26th January 2012, 22:59
[QUOTE=Daft Ada;411577]Well having watched it I have to say I didn't think he actually said much at all. Did I miss something?.

For someone who admits to not seeing all of the interview you sure do have a lot to say.
Before further comment maybe you could go back and actually watch it all.
It would certainly add to your credibility.
I watched about 15 minutes and skimmed the written part of what was said.
But before I go in and spend 3 hours on my life listening to a dude I NEVER heard of before I like to do a quick google search to find out who this person is and if he has credit.Well that google search lead me to discover many things about this guy..thus why waste my time listening to a liar hoax? I am offended by this man! I am a former US Army veteran of the 2nd gulf war, and a man who lies about being in the military and in a war zone dont fly with me! My battalion lost 7 dead while our time there..and this man who claims a fictions act of being a war zone soldier just smears in the face of my fallen comrades who did serve..and all this to just promote his BS book. A quick google search will reveal he never was a navy seal.
Here is a photo of me when I was in the army..I have YET to see one photo of him in a uniform!

Cidersomerset
26th January 2012, 22:59
Wether Bill Wood is genuine or not surely we can give him a bit of time to put his case ??
I am not being nieve, like every discussion on this forum you can come at it from any angle you want....
Its easier to talk face to face to express views than write them here , in work me, Ecnal & winston
have gone thru the spectrum, he's a fantasist, plant to bring more discredit to kerry & David, etc..etc..
Or he is possibly what he says he is and has important info, I think we should give him the benefit of
the doubt for a few weeks and see what 'they' deliver....
If nothing we are no worse off than we were last week...imho......

I just watched this....sort of related guilty until proven innocent...

v3udUG_0Ro4

childs hood end
26th January 2012, 23:02
If you look at D W and B W facial expression when B R asked for an update in a months time,,,,, they could not hold back there smiles,,,,
big smiles,,,,,
Its like they know that big things will be known by all before next month,,,,,,
And for D W to say that full E T Disclosure is nothing compared to whats going to happen` says something IMHO,,,,, as disclosure was a big deal for him,,,,, Plus im happy to say i have never seen D W come across so grounded,,,,,, its good to see him with his feet back on Earth.
As for the ring around his eyes,,,,,, hope he aint havin any organ problems,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

B W said that the good guys have won,,,,,,, that there (elites) days of terror are over :party:
But unfortunately when i look up,,,,,,,, im still seeing chemtrail spraying in abundance every day here in ireland :confused:

Hope.

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 23:06
Here is a photo of me when I was in the army..I have YET to see one photo of him in a uniform!

Thank you for your service !

AlternativeInfoJunkie
26th January 2012, 23:14
I watched about 30 minutes of this today..and had enough of this stuff!
I'm sticking to my original statement that the guy is a fraud. Period! the guy claims to be a navy seal on seal team 9, a team that 'doesn't exist'..
On near every forum they all say he is a joke and a fraud impersonator. So this just aint me going off on a rant.
Also i did a quick search on dog pile and many forums also agree with my assessment that he is a fraud.Let me cut and paste a few comments others have made on this 'Wild Bill Wood"

It was quite an interview. But I went back and looked at it again. Something didn’t feel right so I did a little research. At around the 50:20 mark, he tells a blatant lie that casts doubt on the entire interview. He said the age of consent back at the time of the so-called rape of a 16 year old, was age 18. In fact, the California age of consent laws were changed from age 16 to 18 back in 1913. Casts a big doubt in my mind about his credibility.

If you check with the folks who keep track of such things you will find that Bill Wood is not now nor has he ever been a Navy Seal. He is a fraud. Nothing he says can be believed.

You can believe this man if you like, however it is clear to those who should know, that he is making false claims about his military service and actions. Please make the inquiries yourself, there are several options available to you. The fact that he is promoting the tale of the known fraud Dan Burisch/Dan Crain/Dan Catselas (three names, is that a clue?) is also a good indicator of this fellows lack of credibility.

Utter bull****, and he's a fraud and a liar.

Do a search next time.

n the video Bill Wood claims to have been apart of top secret SEAL TEAM 9 and bombed civillians in Iraq after the gulf war, but thats not all he also claims to have been trained in Psi-ops and all sorts of weird stuff.
but at the very start he says this is all to promote his BS book.

Too bad Former Navy SEAL Don Shipley has quickly busted him, and suspects that he is using a fake name, and has called for help to find out who this BS artist truly is.


I used to be a Navy SEAL like you, then I took an bullet in the knee...

uh... seal team 9 is a secret team by bill (wood)'s own admission. it's not like he's trying to trick us and make us believe that it isn't secret. And he corrected himself in this interview about being wrong about the legal age of consent in California too. A lot of your concerns would have been addressed had you actually watched the interview.

onawah
26th January 2012, 23:15
We're still seeing chemtrails here in Arkansas too, though not as much as previously, at least.
Back to topic!:focus:
Don't want to throw this thread off track...

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 23:23
This letter posted on Nexus is worth sharing:


Another letter concerning Bill:



Sir,

You are the second person in the last 24 hours to take note of this man’s bogus claims. Thank you for the entertaining video link. http://projectcamelotproductions.com...bill_wood.html (http://projectcamelotproductions.com...bill_wood.html/) Mr. WOOD has a scheduled “live broadcast” within the next two weeks.

Mr. WILLIAM “BILL” WOOD is not now and never has been a US Navy SEAL.

There has never been a “SEAL Team 9”.

Mr. WOOD’s bizarre claims of “targeting Tomahawk missiles on a monthly basis taking out targets that were increasingly “soft”… involving deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians…” is absolutely ludicrous. His admissions to participating in such actions – if they were true – would subject him to judicial action as a war criminal.

There’s no “get out of jail free” card in real life, no matter what the Hollywood movies tell you. Just over a year ago there were three SEALs brought to military trial because a prisoner under their care purposely banged his head/face against a wall, causing a minor injury, which he then claimed was the result of mistreatment at the hands of his SEAL captors. The man had a bloody lip but was otherwise uninjured… and yet three SEALs were taken to court over the matter. All three SEALs were eventually acquitted, but there was a huge public outcry and a tremendous amount of media attention.

…and yet this clown wants us to believe that he’s been responsible for the “deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians”, but he’s still on the streets, and he’s now offering his government-trained ‘psi power’ visions of the future of 2012 to those who send him an email?

If this idiot ever encountered a real Navy SEAL face to face, he’d wet his pants!

Of course I must note that although I am a US Navy veteran, and a former SEAL, I am a civilian performing in an entirely unofficial role. I strongly recommend that you, or anyone interested in Mr. WOOD’s absurdly-claimed SEAL credentials, should obtain a formal/official US NAVY statement on the matter. To do so you may contact the PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE at the NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE COMMAND in San Diego by calling (619) 522-2822, or you may contact the FOIA COORDINATOR at the NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE COMMAND in San Diego, California, and submit a formal FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT inquiry in writing addressed to:

Commander

Naval Special Warfare Command

FOIA Coordinator

2000 Trident Way

San Diego, CA 92155

Respectfully,

Steve Robinson

RM2(SEAL) USN 1970-1978

SEAL Team ONE

Inshore Undersea Warfare Group ONE

Defense Analyst – Soviet Threat specialization 1981-1993

UDT-SEAL Association - Member

POW Network Board of Directors

Naval Special Warfare Archives - SOF Analyst/Contributing Journalist

Disabled American Veterans - Life Member

FORMER Special Investigator - SEAL Authentication Team

CyberSEALs.org - Webmaster

Author - "NO GUTS, NO GLORY - Unmasking Navy SEAL Imposters"

Unified Serenity
26th January 2012, 23:27
Also this letter came in to help set the record straight:


Sir,

I greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. Before answering your questions I must make clear that I am a private individual, not affiliated with the US Dept. of Defense or any other government organization. My efforts to expose SEAL imposters are performed as a service to the public, and in honor of my fallen SEAL Teammates… men who truly earned the right to the title “US NAVY SEAL” but who are no longer able to stand forward in defense of their honor, their reputations, and their TEAMs.



If the name you provided is spelled correctly, I do NOT find a listing in the SEAL Database (SEAL Teams and predecessor units from 1943 to the Present Day) for anyone named WILLIAM NEWEL BROCKBRADER AKA BILL WOOD AKA BILL BROCK. I have also examined possible alternate spellings, and names with similar pronunciations without finding any that appear to be applicable.



Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be evidence in the form of court documentation) since his claimed participation in SEAL training, and based upon the information you have provided, I can state conclusively that WILLIAM NEWEL BROCKBRADER has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL, a Navy UDT “Frogman”, a member of any Naval Combat Demolition Unit (NCDU), or a member of the Naval Amphibious Scouts & Raiders (S&R).



Many SEAL imposters when confronted with the information I have provided will resort to claiming that their records are sealed, burned or their SEAL Operations were Classified and that there are no official records of them.

Before any classified operations may be undertaken as a SEAL Operator, a man must first successfully complete the Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) Training program and then the follow-on secondary training program. The names of all those who successfully graduate from that training program sequence are compiled in the SEAL database. Later participation in classified operations has "no impact" on whether or not a person is listed as a graduate of the training program.



There are records of every man who has qualified for the title of “SEAL”; there have been and will continue to be secret missions, but there are NO secret SEALs.



Once again I must stress that although I am a US Navy veteran, and a former SEAL, I am a civilian performing in an entirely unofficial role. I recommend that you obtain a formal/official US NAVY statement regarding Mr. WILLIAM NEWEL BROCKBRADER's claimed SEAL credentials. To do so you may contact the PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE at the NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE COMMAND in San Diego by calling (619) 522-2822, or you may contact the FOIA COORDINATOR at the NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE COMMAND in San Diego, California, and submit a formal FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT inquiry in writing addressed to:



Commander

Naval Special Warfare Command

FOIA Coordinator

2000 Trident Way

San Diego, CA 92155



Thank you again for your concern in this matter, and for your assistance in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams. If I can be of any further assistance to you in this matter, please contact me at your convenience.



Respectfully, Don Shipley BUD/S 131, SEAL Team ONE, SEAL Team TWO.
Owner http://www.extremesealexperience.com/

ROMANWKT
26th January 2012, 23:46
MY WORD, whats got into you all,why don't we just let it all play out and we will for sure see sooner or later what's what. we are not going anywhere, we are not doing anything, we have not been asked of anything, let it ride, and the truth will eventually come up. If he is a set up and a fraud, which at the moment I have nothing to disprove, its no skin in reality of our noses, Kerry check his details, and he admitted he has now a record, up to now it all checks, also DW has vouched for him, the contacts had now accepted his story and presumably ID him, whats all the commotion, wait and let it ride out, soon we will know. if we had made a mistake OK lesson learnt, but we are listening to outsiders more, than to a group of people who we are ajoined to. lets wait and see, I am sure there will be more to come, I am sure all hell will break out. WHY???? and most of this thread is totally of topic.

regards as always to you all
roman

Cidersomerset
26th January 2012, 23:56
Thats the exact point I just made Romanwkt , fair play to those ' digging' and if he's a fraud so be it ,you are not the only ones with doubts
we all have, but lets hold off the witchhunt a while until we have more info, from our Bill, Kerry, David or Bill........Its getting like Salom on here..

childs hood end
26th January 2012, 23:58
Is there realy an honor in serving in the army ? all that killing in false wars for the elites agendas that we blame for all the horror on this planet,,,,, not in my book,,,,,,,,,,,, ders a medal and a badge,,,, well done son,,,, now go home and get homeless and broke like the rest of the veteran,,,,,,

Its all the soldier around the world that need to wake up to what there doing,,,, not be going around wearing a hero cape,,,,,,,,, i see the honor and being proud of fighting in a war as the party trick the elites use to get the soldiers to kill or be killed with pride. nothing to be proud of,,,,,,,,
no offense,,,,,,,,just true

Peace on earth.

Adi
27th January 2012, 00:01
im still seeing chemtrail spraying in abundance every day here in ireland :confused:

Hope.[/QUOTE]

Im with you on that one!

Adi

TargeT
27th January 2012, 00:03
Is there realy an honor in serving in the army ? all that killing in false wars for the elites agendas that we blame for all the horror on this planet,,,,, not in my book,,,,,,,,,,,, ders a medal and a badge,,,, well done son,,,, now go home and get homeless and broke like the rest of the veteran,,,,,,

Its all the soldier around the world that need to wake up to what there doing,,,, not be going around wearing a hero cape,,,,,,,,, i see the honor and being proud of fighting in a war as the party trick the elites use to get the soldiers to kill or be killed with pride. nothing to be proud of,,,,,,,,
no offense,,,,,,,,just true

Peace on earth.

This is why we say we "support the troops".... what that statement really means is: we know they joined with good intent, but the command is the problem (ultimiately our government) terms like "support the troops" are actually very powerful anti government statements :D

we treated our VietNam vets pretty badly here in the US, but over all military service IS a service & I respect that a hell of a lot more than people who bitch from the benches (as it were).

so in summary: respect the intent, for in this twisted world not much else is true & pure as intent.



Here is a photo of me when I was in the army..


Cheers from along time ago in Ireland:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/zTargeTz/Ireland.jpg

WhiteFeather
27th January 2012, 00:03
Wonderful Job By The Crew, Thanks Kerry, Bill R, Bill W and David. I absolutely resonated with this, yes big hope for humanity. End-Game Of Elite, and the crowd goes wild,,,, lets put the nail in the coffin. The Main message was, what we think we become. Have a Question Peeps,,,,, Did anybody on this thread Bash David Wilcock for bringing up Ben Fulford at the end of this video, He still supports Ben through all of this.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 00:26
They spend a whole ten minutes in the interview talking about how his military record won't be publicly available and the military's denial of his service is to be expected! In all respect these FOIA responses don't prove anything. I am on the fence about the validity of Bill Wood's claims but i just wanted to point out that these letter's from the FOIA Coordinator at the Navy's Special War Command office don't clear ANYTHING up.

BestLion
27th January 2012, 00:30
Is there realy an honor in serving in the army ? all that killing in false wars for the elites agendas that we blame for all the horror on this planet,,,,, not in my book,,,,,,,,,,,, ders a medal and a badge,,,, well done son,,,, now go home and get homeless and broke like the rest of the veteran,,,,,,

Its all the soldier around the world that need to wake up to what there doing,,,, not be going around wearing a hero cape,,,,,,,,, i see the honor and being proud of fighting in a war as the party trick the elites use to get the soldiers to kill or be killed with pride. nothing to be proud of,,,,,,,,
no offense,,,,,,,,just true

Peace on earth.

I agree with you, and that is the reason I got out of the Army in 2004 I realized it wasnt for me..But I joined as a young 18 year old who wanted to see the world..naive I was..Ohh well. I was in administration mainly anyway. My battalion was a water purification battalion. We lost soldeirs in iraq mainly due to roadside bombs in the 762nd company transportation.

TargeT
27th January 2012, 00:31
They spend a whole ten minutes in the interview talking about how his military record won't be publicly available and the militaries denial of his service is to be expected! In all respect these FOIA responses don't prove anything. I am on the fence about the validity of Bill Wood's claims but i just wanted to point out that these letter's from the FOIA Coordinator at the Navy's Special War Command office don't clear ANYTHING up.

they spend a lot of time talking about unrealistic outcomes yes....

even in his story he was selected WHILE IN TRAINING. there would be enlistment records, training records... training isn't classified. even BUDS isn't, not its attendee's.... & you don't become ANYTHING untill you've completed your basic & advanced training in the military, untill then your just a random guy with piles of paper work attached...

I'll summerize with this: what he says about "sealed records" just isn't true at all from my experience in the military (which I am currently still affiliated with).

this obviously is meaningless unless your willing to accept it... but that's my experience

Thanks!
~random internet voice

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 00:33
Is there realy an honor in serving in the army ? all that killing in false wars for the elites agendas that we blame for all the horror on this planet,,,,, not in my book,,,,,,,,,,,, ders a medal and a badge,,,, well done son,,,, now go home and get homeless and broke like the rest of the veteran,,,,,,

Its all the soldier around the world that need to wake up to what there doing,,,, not be going around wearing a hero cape,,,,,,,,, i see the honor and being proud of fighting in a war as the party trick the elites use to get the soldiers to kill or be killed with pride. nothing to be proud of,,,,,,,,
no offense,,,,,,,,just true

Peace on earth.

:frusty::mad2: Soldiers don't do what they do in order to be lapdogs to the elite...they do it for the men and women standing beside them. Spend some time in a VA hospital with someone who lost a limb or worse protecting their comrades and THEN say that there is no honor in uniform.

Brizil
27th January 2012, 00:36
He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but do not know) that this is the case. I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork.

I have not seen this -- but I do not doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I believe Bill Wood is credible.

So you believe that the letters from the ex SEALS Don Shipley and Steve Robinson are untrue?

They may not have access to all the information. Some SEAL activities and units are highly compartmentalized and classified.

It's also highly possible in this world of intrigue that some SEALS will use legitimate means (like stating truthfully that certain records cannot be found) to discredit one of their own who they consider to have acted unethically by breaking ranks.

We do have to be intelligent about this. We are, in effect, in a Hollywood movie here. Anything at all could be going on -- and we may not yet know exactly what.

I haven't responded to a post in a very long time, but Bill's response really resonated with me. I believe that only morsels of the REAL truth are out there for public consumption, and that "anything" could be going on. It has been extremely difficult for me to figure out what's what and I have come to the conclusion that it will be this way for a very long time.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 00:45
They spend a whole ten minutes in the interview talking about how his military record won't be publicly available and the militaries denial of his service is to be expected! In all respect these FOIA responses don't prove anything. I am on the fence about the validity of Bill Wood's claims but i just wanted to point out that these letter's from the FOIA Coordinator at the Navy's Special War Command office don't clear ANYTHING up.

they spend a lot of time talking about unrealistic outcomes yes....

even in his story he was selected WHILE IN TRAINING. there would be enlistment records, training records... training isn't classified. even BUDS isn't, not its attendee's.... & you don't become ANYTHING untill you've completed your basic & advanced training in the military, untill then your just a random guy with piles of paper work attached...

I'll summerize with this: what he says about "sealed records" just isn't true at all from my experience in the military (which I am currently still affiliated with).

this obviously is meaningless unless your willing to accept it... but that's my experience

Thanks!
~random internet voice

I'm willing to accept anything. I'm just saying that official denials of this story are to be expected and don't mean anything. your experience in the military is interesting and relevant but again it doesn't PROVE
(keyword) that the military doesn't do things differently with "secret teams" than it does with non-secret military personnel.

Rahkyt
27th January 2012, 00:46
Soldiers don't do what they do in order to be lapdogs to the elite...they do it for the men and women standing beside them. Spend some time in a VA hospital with someone who lost a limb or worse protecting their comrades and THEN say that there is no honor in uniform.

This topic deserves a thread all of its own. Lot of ex-soldiers round these here parts. And folks with thoughts about it. Re the topic, I agree with Roman. Can only wait and see ... but if you lie about your military service, well ... astral soldiers from all across time and space will have it in for you from here till eternity ... :painkiller:

Kano
27th January 2012, 00:51
I can't say much that hasn't been said already, but what I will say is that I am of the opinion Jordan Maxwell got it right when he said "absolutely nothing in this world works the way you think it does". I mean jiminy cricket, there is strong evidence to suggest there is an entire break away civilization of humans living off world.

There are multiple independent witness testimonies from credible witnesses with many major congruencies that discuss all sorts of advanced technology that are kept out of the public domain.

Anyone who takes the time to research what the actual evidence suggests about our history as a race (recent and ancient) can easily and irrefutably see that we have been lied to on a scale that still to this day baffles me.

So is it really so hard to believe that there might be a group of specialists in our military no one has ever heard of or will ever be able to verify? Does that really warrant the slander Bill Wood has received about his military credentials?

It's too early to burn this guy at the stake. At the end of the day, he has not crossed any boundaries that would suggest he is a fraud.

How about one of things we all work on as part of a warm up to stepping into the power that could be bestowed to us at the end of this year, or next week, or 10 years from now, is that we work on noticing our own hypocrisies and actively limiting them.

Cheers,
Kano

000
27th January 2012, 01:02
I haven't responded to a post in a very long time, but Bill's response really resonated with me. I believe that only morsels of the REAL truth are out there for public consumption, and that "anything" could be going on. It has been extremely difficult for me to figure out what's what and I have come to the conclusion that it will be this way for a very long time.

A mental filing technique I use to gather a sense of the 'big picture':

Imagine each individual source of information, whether they are a whistleblower, an experiencer, et al, as a single transparency sheet in your mind. On their sheet, in a grid form, are boxes representing the information that they have brought to the table.

When I 'stack' all of those mental transparency sheet filings in my mind, I can see where all the filled boxes of information overlap and where they do not. When many boxes align an overlap through all of the mental transparencies, that is something I look more deeply into to gain confirmations. Some boxes do not overlap as often, so I leave them be until they do or do not overlap enough to grab my attention, in other words I leave them in a 'pending review' state. Then there are the scattered boxes which rarely overlap or do not overlap at all and are on the outskirts of the transparencies. This is usually transient noise and is either pending or discarded.

It is not the easiest thing to describe in words, so my definition of this information gathering and corroboration technique is coarse grained at best, but you might get the gist of it. I know some people are not as deeply 'visual' thinkers with regards to their critical thinking, and it may not work for some, but if you are a visual thinker, it may be of aid. It has proven very helpful lately to me. A disclaimer is that I practice projective psi and receptive psi regularly and the information gathered from those experiences also forms these 'transparencies' in my mind although they are filed along with the rest but are 'tagged' as data gathered from psi practice.

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The video conference call from Bill Wood (although it seems we may now know his real name from earlier in this thread), David Wilcock, Bill and Kerry was very well done and appreciated on my end, my gratitude to all involved. A lot of what was discussed lines up with some very 'thick' and 'brightly glowing' stacks of transparency data boxes I have gathered in my mind over the years and through experiences in this life so there is definitely something to it. This is of course from my perspective and is solely my own. I shall not press this perspective on others as our data sets are not the same.

:ph34r:

TargeT
27th January 2012, 01:03
It's too early to burn this guy at the stake. At the end of the day, he has not crossed any boundaries that would suggest he is a fraud.




I can tell by that statement you've never been in the military :)

for example, watch a movie about the military with a current member of the branch the movie is about, i guarentee you they won't shut up about how everything is done wrong in the movie..

you see we do things in a VERY VERY VERY predictable, ordered way, there is a Technical Manuel (TM) for how to do ANYTHING you could ever think of doing in the military.. & if there isn't there's probably an SOP (Standard operating procedure) written up on it.

maybe that's not a clear way of stating it..

we do things a certain way.... ALWAYS, any deviation of that "way" is IMMEDATELY obvious to anyone with more than 2 years of service under their belt.. in fact we are trained to spot these inconsistancies and correct them

Take a look at this picture:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UXBT6wsXZi0/TwSHkOzzuRI/AAAAAAAAAqI/ugChrclNc8g/s1600/article-0-0F55283B00000578-463_468x313.jpg

notice anything wrong? anyone who's been in the military will instantly tell you whats wrong with this while most civilians won't have a clue.

its a black and white world, the military... thats why you see so much vitriol against a guy claiming to have broken what we shared, a common bond, a common brotherhood... well apparently he wasn't in THAT military, but some special one that functions differently than the MILLIONS of us know of.

I hope that sort of illistrates why there's so much IMMEDIATE backlash... a civilian wouldn't understand & its clear that this guy (Bill W.) is one (I M O)

You don't learn this **** from tom clancy novels...

gripreaper
27th January 2012, 01:21
01:38:40 The last seven moves on the chess game...
I have the feeling that the "uphold" of the rules of the game is taken for granted here. (in order for the specific result / conclusion to be drawn) .
What if the rules can be bend or broken on a technicality / interference?
Any thoughts?

Stavros

Incidentally in the rules of chess each player must write down his move against the proper number of moves. If it is an organised game the players must play with a clock. They must press their clock with the same hand that they moved the piece with. If one player is running out of time they are allowed to just put a line instead of writing their move, but the other player who is not running out of time MUST write his move down. If the person who is running out of time (and usually they are losing) notices that the other person didn't write their moves down properly they can call on a referee and claim the game. I played competitive chess for 30 yrs. These are the rules. So the person who can see he is going to be checkmated can pull a fast one provided the other person is lax.
The game is not over until it is over.

Stan

It would be interesting to see someone like you to somehow draw up a model representation based on Chess in a certain set of parameters to somehow further consolidate possible outcomes. Much like those chess magazines I've seen that outlay all those strategies. I think alot of people here could make it very productive.

Could make for a good analogy that presents a clear picture to work with. Maybe?

I found this at DW forum, written by daven, and it illustrates a very concise chess move analogy. I hope he doesn't mind me posting it here:

Subject:

The Largest Financial Bubble of All Time, The Derivatives Bubble.

The biggest financial bubble of all time is the Derivatives Bubble. Essentially a derivative is insurance on a commodity. When it's used properly in this context, a derivative is helpful because it can help farmers lock in prices for their crops, and fuel users lock in prices for fuel costs.

BUT, when Glass-Steagals was removed under Clinton , Goldman Sachs invented a derivative which is insurance on a loan. When a bank issues a loan, it takes a risk. To remove risk, the bank buys an insurance policy in case of default, called a Credit Default Swap, or CDS.

Insurance essentially is a bet. Take Health Insurance. You bet the insurance company a small amount each month that you won't get sick. The company wins each month you're healthy, and takes in your monthly fee payment. But, if you get sick, the insurance company's side of the bet is to pay out a sum for your health costs.

CDS's are similar in concept, with two major differences:

1.) A bank can take out multiple insurance policies on one loan.
2.) You don't need to issue or receive the loan to get insurance on that loan. You can take out insurance on someone else's loan! This is no longer insurance - it really is a bet.

The monthly or quarterly payments on those insurance policies make up the bulk of Large Investment Banks and Hedge Fund's revenues. That's why they rigorously defend Derivatives against regulation. That's why even after the 2008 crisis where Derivatives in the form of CDO's demolished Lehman brothers and AIG, and today CDS's smashed MF Global and Dexia, those same banks STILL increased their derivatives number to astonishing levels.

It's that lucrative... and dangerous.

Satyajit Das is the world authority on Derivatives, and author of the seminal book on it, "Traders, Guns and Money: Knowns and Unknowns in the Dazzling World of Derivatives". He lucidly explains how CDS's work in this clip from the Academy Award winning documentary "Inside Job."

http://youtu.be/nUwU9G87RKM

The reason why the Derivatives Bubble is the largest Financial Bubble of all time is because of the value of all derivatives that exist in the system. Here's the BIS (Bank of International Settlements) own document on the current number of "known" OTC (Over The Counter) derivatives.

http://www.bis.org/statistics/otcder/dt1920a.pdf

Listed on line 1, Jun 2011 - $707,569 BILLION, aka $707 TRILLION. And that's just OTC. That does not include the arcane world of Credit Derivatives!

To put that in perspective, the real world economy, in $, of the USA is 14 trillion. The world GDP is just about 60 TRILLION. 707 trillion is over 10X the world's GDP. Current estimates range from 707 trillion OTC Derivatives, to a total of 1 $quadrillion in derivatives if you factor in estimates on Credit Derivatives. That's 1000 trillion dollars... on the books.

Some analysts scoff at that number. They say, "well that's just a Notional amount. It does't exist. There isn't that much money in the world! It's just used to calculate percentages for payments, so it's NOT IMPORTANT."

This is why the Notional is critically important.

You have a $100,000 loan. The bank you get the loan from, insures the $100,000 with a $100,000 policy. That's $200,000 in the books, one is a loan, the other is an insurance policy. Then 100 people ALSO take out $100,000 policies on that same $100,000 loan.

So that's 102 X $100,000 on the books. That equals $10,200,000 - that's the $100,000 loan and $10,100,000 in insurance policies. That's just ONE loan. That $10,200,000 is the NOTIONAL number. That's the preposterous number on the books. When that single loan goes south, guess how much money is paid out?

$10,200,000.

That $100,000 loan got leveraged 102X.

That's why financial institutions prefer large credit risks, because the worse the risk, the faster the default, and the bigger the payout.

This is plain and simple INSURANCE FRAUD. For small time offenders, this is a Felony punishable by 5 years in prison and a $50,000 fine.

But this fraud is on the scale of 700 to 1000 $Trillion.


6.) Asia 's Gambit

In the Game, the West focused on military moves by encircling China , bombing Libya , poking Russia , and provoking Iran . The only financial move the West made was to plow massive quantities of cash into Treasuries for safety. This was a critical mistake.

Asia made two power moves in its gambit:

A.) Asia has 3 trillion in Treasuries, which is 20% of the total US debt. China has 1.15 trillion, which is about 8% of US debt. These quantities can move interest rates, and cornered the West with two Treasury rooks.
B.) Asia 's sting operation with the bonds is the gambit. The bonds are the lawsuit fianchetto, and the gold bonds are the triple knight fork.

7.) The Golden Triple Knight Fork and Lawsuit Fianchetto

When the West took the Japanese bond gambit, it set the stage for a legal fianchetto attack on the US 's ability to follow contract laws. People can and will break contracts. Lawyers and court systems exist to pay damages and enforce contract laws. If the law cannot be enforced, contract breakers become credit risks with bad ratings and publicity. For individuals, breaking a contract means bad credit and difficulty getting a loan. For businesses it means difficulty staying in business. For governments, the results include wars, gov collapse, economic chaos, and depression, akin to Argentina , Iceland , and Greece .

Contract laws form the foundation of healthy economic systems. Otherwise, it would be a free for all pirate society, which is a difficult environment for any honest entrepreneur or business.

The Golden Triple Knight Fork is the Dragon Families' positional attack, by requesting that the contracts on those bonds be honored and repatriate the gold back to Asia .

The Golden Triple Knight Fork has three outcomes.

Fork 1:
The suit goes to court, Dragon Families win, and the gold repatriates back to Asia .

This opens up a can of worms because it reveals the paper trail that leads to the logistics of the World Trade Centers on 9/11. The world also discovers a viable alternative to fiat currency. In this climate of Occupy Wall Street, Ron Paul, and anger at the Fed and Central Banks at a historic high, this is fatal for the Banking Cartel and the political elite.

This is the best case scenario, and IMO, the least likely to occur.

Fork 2:
The US does NOT honor the contracts on the 60 year bonds.

If that's the case, what makes the Global Market think the US will honor the contracts on Treasuries AT ALL?

Remember Pres. Obama making assurances to Pres. Hu regarding China 's Treasury holdings? Hu's meeting with Obama was Asia 's opening moves.

End result - Treasuries are worth less, and Treasuries dumping follows, causing interest rates to rise. When Treasury interest rates rise, the Treasury must use more tax revenue to pay the interest burden which can be 25% to 50% of all revenue! This bankrupts the Federal Government.

The critical key is this POPS the Derivatives bubble. The bets that Treasuries wouldn't rise above 2% will be called by the counter party. And because Treasuries are worth less, insurance policies are called by everyone who bought them - and the financial institutions have to pay up. The final effect is international. The Western Financial System is COMPLETELY DEPENDENT on the Fed Reserve, as Jon Stewart and Senator Sanders illustrate.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...ext-tarp-model
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/n...3-62060dcbb3c3

Western Financial Institutions can't pay back the Fed's loans due to derivatives losses, while the Fed is deprived of reserves to multiply into new loans, because more tax revenue is used to pay the rising interest. All while owing 700 to 1000 trillion in the Derivatives Black Hole of Destruction.

And if they are suicidal, they'll try to hyperinflate, which will inflame the current economic protests into massive Western World chaos with a networked and aware population that's ALREADY gunning for them. Inflation of commodities, like food and fuel, directly ignited the Arab Spring.

Fork 3:
The US stops the lawsuit in it's tracks. Registering the complaint formalized and legitimized the case. The result is the same as Fork 2.

8.) Checkmate

The Asians don't need to dump 3 trillion of Treasuries to get interest rates to go up. 1% out of the total 15 trillion US debt is 150 billion. A 150 billion dump will do wonders to raise the interest rate above 2%. That will implode the derivatives bubble and decapitate the Financial Elite.

By checkmating the Western Financial Elite this way, the Asians can simply state that basic contract laws and economic fundamentals were violated, and there was no deliberate malicious economic acts that might cause retaliatory trade sanctions and wars.

And they'll be absolutely right.

Best Chess Game Evah.

"Why is it that the financial institutions, who took Federal Reserve Loans, would rather destroy their own national economies, sell off their assets, eat themselves out from the inside, and go for bailouts RATHER than liquidate any of their Treasury holdings?"

It has everything to do with the role of US Treasuries in the Derivatives bubble. By the way, instead of calling them DERIVATIVES, let's call them INSURANCE. Hopefully that will help clarify them.

Imagine this. You're the colossal vampire squid of finance, and you bought 1 billion in US Treasuries. That's 1 billion out of a total of 15 trillion US debt.

Now you know that there's no investment in the world that can parallel with the dependability of a US Treasury. In fact, it's so unparalleled, that as the colossal squid, you have no problems with selling insurance on a US Treasury. You can even say because you OWN US Treasuries, you've got the integrity to go ahead and sell insurance on em cause you're in them.

"CDS's on US Treasuries, we guarantee you the full amount of your Treasuries in the highly unlikely black swan event that the US Government defaults."

"That'll never happen," says the potential client, "why should I buy your insurance when that won't happen?"

"OK then we will guarantee the principal of your loan should the interest rate RISE on it. Cause we all know that if the interest rate rises, that means that the Treasury is worth less than what you paid for, and you're going to have trouble selling the Treasury off."

"Now that's more like it. Where do I sign up? Interest rates rise and fall all the time, and I gotta make up for the difference. Why wait for the US government to pay when I can get it from insurance?"

Soon the Colossal squid has sold 75 trillion in insurance policies to cover 1 to 2 billion dollars in Treasury holdings. Never mind that most of the people who bought the insurance policy didn't even own a Treasury in the first place, which of course, makes it a bet, and not insurance. And what were they betting? Some bet the interest rate would drop. Most bet that it would rise.

Those insurance policies bring in hundreds of millions of dollars every year from quarterly insurance payments. That's what we call dependable, rock solid cash flow, all on guaranteed, rock solid sovereign debt called Treasuries.

The Colossal Squid is looking like a rock star in the financial world. "They sold insurance on US Treasuries? That's like selling earthquake insurance... in New Jersey . An Earth Quake will never happen!"

Ah, but an Earthquake DID happen.. in New Freaking Jersey ... in August of last year.

And a Financial Quake is slamming Europe . And here's the problem.

If the banks and financial institutions sell off their Treasuries, the interest rates will rise. What happens when the interest rates rise?

That's right, it's time to pay everyone who won that bet. To the tune of, for Colossal squid, 75 trillion dollars. And we wonder why Bank of America tried to unload 75 trillion in insurance losses on the FDIC. Remember, I'm now referring to Derivatives as insurance, because that's what they essentially are.

Do you think anyone has 75 trillion to payout in insurance policies?

Nope.

Do you think Colossal squid will aid in it's own demise by selling off it's own holding of 1 billion in Treasuries just to pay off some of those policies? Especially when that 1 billion will nudge up that interest rate? Hell no.

Guess how much in Treasuries Institutional Investors have? This is a bit dated, but aside from #1 the Fed, Institutional Investors are the 2nd largest holders of Treasuries.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29880401/The_..._Debt?slide=15

You now have the motivations for the following: why those Fed Loans were used by those banks to buy US Treasuries; why those institutions will do ANYTHING to keep the Treasury interest rate from going up; AND the reason why Pres. Obama is calling to raise the deficit ceiling in his final year.

What, you thought it was just to fund the government?

If they can sell more Treasuries, they can keep that interest rate DOWN, avoid a colossal loss of a bet, and the fastest bubble collapse in history.

Too bad they're going to lose. India is already trading with Iran with gold for oil. Think they're gonna need those dollars anymore?

http://youtu.be/3vD8Y1jLo58

Remember, most countries don't use dollars in dollar form. Want to know what a cash equivalent to the US dollar is?

A Treasury Bill, or T-bills for short.

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?15136-The-trillion-dollar-Dragon-Family-law-suit

cowens66
27th January 2012, 01:37
Humm. I don't post here much as anyone can see if they look. I pop in regularly, check what is going on or being discussed. I don't usually comment because I find often that in reading the posts what I would say or ask is usually already taken care of..Thank you all for that.

But for some reason I feel compelled to add my 2 cents here.

Just to start with a little background so you all don't think I'm brand new to this info just because you don't see or hear much from me..I was a member of PC when the Dan Burish material was hot and fresh. I can't say how long I've been following Bill and Kerry because I can't remember =) but it's been long enough I guess. I have watched or read just about everything in the library there.

I watched the first interview with BW that Kerry did and I watched the interview by BR, KC and DW. All of it.

I'm not here to say whether I believe everything that BW said or not. It's way too early for that. Some of what he said resonated and some words and actions didn't. That may just be how I'm perceiving, receiving the info. What I do want to say is....maybe slow it down just a bit.

I don't think that if BW was in an ATS position, not top secret, above top secret there would be any record of his service. Telling the truth or not, telling some version of the truth or not at this point is irrelevant. Above top secret means just that. "They" are capable of completely wiping a record.

As far as debunking procedure I would like to give a little example of how that can go. And who is to say that the debunker doesn't have an agenda? I don't know do you?

I would like to use BestLion as an example because you seem to me to be the loudest and often the first to jump in with this kind of info.


Your military photo, something about it didn't ring true for me. Maybe it was the tilt of the cover soldier.

So in what you have displayed as debunking protocol, I did a google search of the US Army uniform. Just about every uniform is available online to view. I specifically searched USArmy uniform during Gulf War. I did not see your uniform in any of the images.

If I did not look much further into this matter and posted this information here in a derogatory, accusatory manner others may think that you did not serve in the US Army at all. I am not saying you didn't. That is easy to find out if I wanted to take the time right now, what I'm saying is just because someone, a seal, a RAV or anyone else says, or even believes that this guy is not legit doesn't make it so or not so.

I know that I am taking liberties here with this comparison but I am just trying to make a point. I come here for information. My time is somewhat limited and often I see discussions go off rail until Bill comes along with some insight that changes the course of the conversation.

It can be entertaining and distracting but it is not really of value yet. It may be true that he is a fraud, it may not and nothing you have said so far would convince me one way or the other.

What I think, jmho, was valuable in the interviews was a confirmation of information that I think many of us know. That human potential is so much more than we are able to see through the veil. For now the idea that the veil may be lifted sooner rather than later is good news and resonates.

Oh if you need to know something of me I was married for 11yrs to a retired marine corps colonel, Vietnam vet. who still works in a military capacity. I can't say more about that and that gives me an understanding of BW not being able to discuss everything. BTW I have lived with a retired Navy MC for the past ten years. Can't say more about that either....I can see that this "not being able to say more" can make the conversation awkward at times.

One thing I can say; I'm not impressed by military service records. Though I seem to keep ending up in long term relationships with military personnel, very fond of them apparently, I am far far from a fan of the military organization. It is a mind control operation on the scale of religion. jmh-long winded-o. Semper Fi Shipmate.

TargeT
27th January 2012, 01:51
I would like to use TopLion as an example because you seem to me to be the loudest and often the first to jump in with this kind of info.


Your military photo, something about it didn't ring true for me. Maybe it was the tilt of the cover soldier.

So in what you have displayed as debunking protocol, I did a google search of the US Army uniform. Just about every uniform is available online to view. I specifically searched USArmy uniform during Gulf War. I did not see your uniform in any of the images.

If I did not look much further into this matter and posted this information here in a derogatory, accusatory manner others may think that you did not serve in the US Army at all.

Do you feel you did "due diligence" in your checking on BestLion? because I feel I have done my due diligence with what I've posted in this thread concerning military record keeping & the inconsistancies..

again we are running into "civilian thinking" vrs " military thinking" (sort of)


the uniform he is wearing is CLASS B dress uniform with a relic style hat on (my opinon.. haha that hat is an OPTION to the (now berret) then hodog vender hat.. seen below)
http://bhas.schoolwires.net/213720317916313/lib/213720317916313/Images/Class%20B.jpg

this is a form of our "dress uniform" and you will not see it anywhere but Garrison (the rear.. state side, pentigon, etc... **** like that) you DEFINATELY will not see it on combat troops.

I immediately recognized it... not even a second of hesitation, and yet you choose to question this... this goes back to the different mentalities & "conditioning" we go through as soldiers and apparently is hard to explain to people that haven't been through it...

this is sort of likeyou calling into quetion students reacting to a bell in school... (its an apropriate analogy.. or as much as I can give right now).

I'm not above top secret. but I hold that clearance... you can find all kinds of records on me ;)

tho I am not black ops, or a whiltle blower in anyway..

it could be that he is telling the truth, what some of us are doing is laying the foundations that he's not, by some (to some) very obvious errors.

Kimberley
27th January 2012, 01:53
Much love to you Cowens!!! your contribution is of great value to us all!!!


One thing I can say; I'm not impressed by military service records. Though I seem to keep ending up in long term relationships with military personnel, very fond of them apparently, I am far far from a fan of the military organization. It is a mind control operation on the scale of religion. jmh-long winded-o. Semper Fi Shipmate.

Cottage Rose
27th January 2012, 01:59
A mental filing technique I use to gather a sense of the 'big picture':

Imagine each individual source of information, whether they are a whistleblower, an experiencer, et al, as a single transparency sheet in your mind. On their sheet, in a grid form, are boxes representing the information that they have brought to the table.

When I 'stack' all of those mental transparency sheet filings in my mind, I can see where all the filled boxes of information overlap and where they do not. When many boxes align an overlap through all of the mental transparencies, that is something I look more deeply into to gain confirmations. Some boxes do not overlap as often, so I leave them be until they do or do not overlap enough to grab my attention, in other words I leave them in a 'pending review' state. Then there are the scattered boxes which rarely overlap or do not overlap at all and are on the outskirts of the transparencies. This is usually transient noise and is either pending or discarded.

It is not the easiest thing to describe in words, so my definition of this information gathering and corroboration technique is coarse grained at best, but you might get the gist of it. I know some people are not as deeply 'visual' thinkers with regards to their critical thinking, and it may not work for some, but if you are a visual thinker, it may be of aid. It has proven very helpful lately to me. A disclaimer is that I practice projective psi and receptive psi regularly and the information gathered from those experiences also forms these 'transparencies' in my mind although they are filed along with the rest but are 'tagged' as data gathered from psi practice.

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The video conference call from Bill Wood (although it seems we may now know his real name from earlier in this thread), David Wilcock, Bill and Kerry was very well done and appreciated on my end, my gratitude to all involved. A lot of what was discussed lines up with some very 'thick' and 'brightly glowing' stacks of transparency data boxes I have gathered in my mind over the years and through experiences in this life so there is definitely something to it. This is of course from my perspective and is solely my own. I shall not press this perspective on others as our data sets are not the same.

:ph34r:

I am sensing one complete round in an upward spiral resulting in two of the most coherent energies involved with Looking Glass, formerly perhaps entangled at a distance, joining forces for the next round. I am elated when these types of events occur.

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 02:01
Buds training is BUDS training. There is no secrecy there. Don't take the word of two ex-SEALS who are respected members of the military community, that's fine. Take the word of a person whose story does not add up. I notice no one has bothered to comment on my analogy in an earlier thread of continueing to use a SEAL to complete missions when they have shown a willingness to disobey orders and could turn that very weapon against their own men / base.

It makes no sense. I am referring to post :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39288-Bill-Ryan-joining-Kerry-David-W.-with-Bill-Wood&p=411728&viewfull=1#post411728

and the one further down if Bill Ryan had a rogue admin:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39288-Bill-Ryan-joining-Kerry-David-W.-with-Bill-Wood&p=411774&viewfull=1#post411774

His story does not line up. It seems obvious some of you would rather not look at basic logic and so need to believe, that nothing else matters.

Nuff said for now. Even a full FOIA stating he, BW, never did serve as a SEAL will matter because it's all been removed because his missions were sooooo top secret. You don't get much more top secret than my dad's service and his records were not wiped clean. Some of his missions will probably never be declassified, but he will show as having served, where, and in what capacity.

Kano
27th January 2012, 02:08
It's too early to burn this guy at the stake. At the end of the day, he has not crossed any boundaries that would suggest he is a fraud.




I can tell by that statement you've never been in the military :)

for example, watch a movie about the military with a current member of the branch the movie is about, i guarentee you they won't shut up about how everything is done wrong in the movie..

you see we do things in a VERY VERY VERY predictable, ordered way, there is a Technical Manuel (TM) for how to do ANYTHING you could ever think of doing in the military.. & if there isn't there's probably an SOP (Standard operating procedure) written up on it.

maybe that's not a clear way of stating it..

we do things a certain way.... ALWAYS, any deviation of that "way" is IMMEDATELY obvious to anyone with more than 2 years of service under their belt.. in fact we are trained to spot these inconsistancies and correct them

Take a look at this picture:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UXBT6wsXZi0/TwSHkOzzuRI/AAAAAAAAAqI/ugChrclNc8g/s1600/article-0-0F55283B00000578-463_468x313.jpg

notice anything wrong? anyone who's been in the military will instantly tell you whats wrong with this while most civilians won't have a clue.

its a black and white world, the military... thats why you see so much vitriol against a guy claiming to have broken what we shared, a common bond, a common brotherhood... well apparently he wasn't in THAT military, but some special one that functions differently than the MILLIONS of us know of.

I hope that sort of illistrates why there's so much IMMEDIATE backlash... a civilian wouldn't understand & its clear that this guy (Bill W.) is one (I M O)

You don't learn this **** from tom clancy novels...

No, I have never been in the military, but thank you for your service.

Having had 2 grandfathers in the military, I am familiar that there is a prescribed protocol to breathing in the military. :)

However, the well made point you make is simply not meaty enough for me to think BW is a fraud.

I don't mean to be presumptuous but I think we can both agree that there is a huge amount of compartmentalization in the military. So by that very virtue, it means it is possible and even likely that if BW's story is true, you would be none the wiser and without any means of confirming the veracity of his claims.

BTW, my guess about what's wrong with the picture is that his shirt is too open up by his neck.

Cheers,
Kano

TargeT
27th January 2012, 02:18
good guess; but its a trick question... Military individuals are NOT allowed to support politics in uniform (EVER).

sorry for the sneakyness. this was even a news story, this poor kid got busted for that and an interview he did the same night; were I there I would have told him of his error.


you are ABSOLUTELY correct however, this is NOT "over and done with" right now I'm not putting much mental effort into it because on the scale of TRUTH & BULL**** he's tilting to bull**** due to a couple of things.

I don't know that ANYTHING he said moves him at all to "truth" I could have given that interview & the answers that he gave based on my readings on this forum.....


I like to reduce things, what I see here is this:

he talks about a lot of stuff that has already been talked about; he talks about stuff he can't talk about & he talks about his military carreer (which I have serious doubts over).

he makes some fantastic baseless claims that only stand up if ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE who've made fantastic mostly baseless claims stories hold up... its a house of cards to me and I think a strong wind is comming...

I could be wrong, I hope there's some group of 130 countries (or 127.. wtf ever...) that is going to save the world, that's an awesome day dream.. but reality is not looking like that's what I should be planned for or foucsing on :)

Kano
27th January 2012, 02:26
good guess; but its a trick question... Military individuals are NOT allowed to support politics in uniform (EVER).

sorry for the sneakyness. this was even a news story, this poor kid got busted for that and an interview he did the same night; were I there I would have told him of his error.


you are ABSOLUTELY correct however, this is NOT "over and done with" right now I'm not putting much mental effort into it because on the scale of TRUTH & BULL**** he's tilting to bull**** due to a couple of things.

I don't know that ANYTHING he said moves him at all to "truth" I could have given that interview & the answers that he gave based on my readings on this forum.....


I like to reduce things, what I see here is this:

he talks about a lot of stuff that has already been talked about; he talks about stuff he can't talk about & he talks about his military carreer (which I have serious doubts over).

he makes some fantastic baseless claims that only stand up if ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE who've made fantastic mostly baseless claims stories hold up... its a house of cards to me and I think a strong wind is comming...

I could be wrong, I hope there's some group of 130 countries (or 127.. wtf ever...) that is going to save the world, that's an awesome day dream.. but reality is not looking like that's what I should be planned for or foucsing on :)

Isn't it possible that the military careers of BW and the like are designed to leave the door open to plausible deniability and illicit the very response you are giving?

cowens66
27th January 2012, 02:44
Do you feel you did "due diligence" in your checking on BestLion?

TargeT,,, you missed the point here. I said right up front that I did not research hard. I was using HIS google search example. I was making the point there that doing a search that way is not a sound practice. Now your research may be much more in depth than that, I'm sure it is.

Still doesn't really matter yet. I do understand a vet's response to the idea of false service indications. The Vietnam Vet I mentioned told me how to know if someone was "in country" ? or not and why that would piss him off. It would piss me off too. I understand that part of it.

I strongly feel that if BW, or anyone was really ats there would not be a record, post above or pre above, if that is what tptb want to portray. They can portray this guy or anyone else as having never even existed really. Look I'm not saying I am on this guys bandwagon. Things about the interviews didn't sit well but I'm willing to hold judgment for now.

There are alot of things done in the military that "us civilians" wouldn't understand and there are many things that military personnel do that shouldn't be and is not really bragged about,,,if you get what I'm saying there? So.. though I understand how those statements verify what you are saying because I have known military members for so long they may come across to most civilians as a "boys club" looking out at the uninitiated. Best not to go too far down that road because if people look in at the initiated they may not like everything they see.

I do want to thank you. You have again done what you obviously feel is a service to us all here and I truly do appreciate that. Either way it turns out, this guy being a fraud or not, you seem like a legitimately caring person and I recognize that. Cowens

aranuk
27th January 2012, 03:04
I must say although I enjoyed the Q&A's video I couldn't help notice that all four on the screen had their names below their pictures....except you know who. Yes DW didn't have his name below his picture he had his book title. Source field investigations. I mean to say. He had free advertising all 3 hrs of it.
Was that written into the contract with Kerry I wonder?

Stan

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 03:48
There seems to be quite a bit of pontification and speculation about whether or not BW's military records would have been scrubbed and whether or not anything could be proven.

A FOIA request for the records of Colonel Philip Corso produced results. Surely if anyone would be completely scrubbed from every military database, it would have been Corso. While the FOIA request did produce some evidence that was contrary to claims made in "The Day After Roswell", he had a verifiable record of service.

I would suggest anyone that has any doubts take a few moments to peruse the following link:

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/corso_da66.htm

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/corso_p1.htm

humanalien
27th January 2012, 03:48
I only have one thing to say. Every time something big
is happening, you will find david wilcock, right there
in the middle of it all. I find that hard to believe.

Maybe David should become a super hero.

We could call him Ican'tstanditwhensomeoneelseishoggingallthe_
attentionsoihavetoputmyselfinthethickofthingsman.

Clearly david isn't getting any sleep as one can tell by his dark
rings around his eyes and how hollow they look. I guess he is
to afraid to sleep for fear that someone will out do him in the
disinfo business.

jp11
27th January 2012, 04:54
ok so I guess some of you missed my post back on page 9 (I think)

jaybee, I'm only up to pg 4 so someone else may have already answered your question

jaybee wrote:
David Wilcock looked extremely tired with dark rings around his eyes. I feel worried for him and hope he can find time to have some proper relaxation.

jp11 :)
My response to jaybee: David has what he called a birthmark or something he's had all his life, the area of skin under his eyes is darker than the rest of his facial skin. When he makes a public appearance, he uses some sort of makeup to cover it up. I guess he didn't feel it was necessary last night.

humanalien
27th January 2012, 05:33
My response to jaybee: David has what he called a birthmark or something he's had all his life, the area of skin under his eyes is darker than the rest of his facial skin. When he makes a public appearance, he uses some sort of makeup to cover it up. I guess he didn't feel it was necessary last night.

Guess that answers the eyes question.

jp11
27th January 2012, 05:50
Now I would say this is interesting, from PC:

January 26, 2012

Project Camelot -- Navy Seals are said to be filing Complaints against Kerry Cassidy/Project Camelot regarding my video with Bill Wood aka Bill Brockbrader

Naval Criminal Investigative Service / Re: William Newel Brockbrader, aka Bill Wood, Stolen Valor / 27130 Telegraph Road / Quantico, VA 22134 / ncis[DOT]navy.mil/ContactUs/Pa­-ges/default[DOT].aspx

Quoting from an unknown source: .."There have been several complaints filled in this 'Stolen Valor' case. Also a complaint against Project Camelot-Kerry Cassidy...."

Someone sent me the above...

Looks like someone is filing some kind of charges... Look, if you want to file charges and get us in a courtroom to discuss CLEARANCES that go way above top secret and what the secret government is up to... We will be happy to oblige and break open this can of worms to reveal the real truth of what your tax dollars are paying for and where the majority of military funding is really going.

Chances are, they don't dare push this case any further than online threats.

As a friend said..."you KNOW you're over the target when you take flak"!!!

As I was closing up for the night I thought I'd check Project Camelot and saw the above.

:) or not

apokalypse
27th January 2012, 06:05
Now I would say this is interesting, from PC:

January 26, 2012

Project Camelot -- Navy Seals are said to be filing Complaints against Kerry Cassidy/Project Camelot regarding my video with Bill Wood aka Bill Brockbrader

Naval Criminal Investigative Service / Re: William Newel Brockbrader, aka Bill Wood, Stolen Valor / 27130 Telegraph Road / Quantico, VA 22134 / ncis[DOT]navy.mil/ContactUs/Pa­-ges/default[DOT].aspx

Quoting from an unknown source: .."There have been several complaints filled in this 'Stolen Valor' case. Also a complaint against Project Camelot-Kerry Cassidy...."

Someone sent me the above...

Looks like someone is filing some kind of charges... Look, if you want to file charges and get us in a courtroom to discuss CLEARANCES that go way above top secret and what the secret government is up to... We will be happy to oblige and break open this can of worms to reveal the real truth of what your tax dollars are paying for and where the majority of military funding is really going.

Chances are, they don't dare push this case any further than online threats.

As a friend said..."you KNOW you're over the target when you take flak"!!!

As I was closing up for the night I thought I'd check Project Camelot and saw the above.

:) or not

i wish this go further to the court, Bill Wood information reliable or not is not important but i'm more interest in blow the roof off with Bill Wood as Navy Seal who work in Government secret operations and facilities like Area 51.

Ilie Pandia
27th January 2012, 06:17
well apparently he wasn't in THAT military, but some special one that functions differently than the MILLIONS of us know of.

Hello TargetT,

Out of 7 billion people on this planet how many of them you think really know how the world functions?

Honest question: Is it conceivable that in the military stuff happens that millions of military people don't know of or would have a hard time believing it happens in their back yard? Is it possible that you do not know everything that is going on, or how stuff actually works? Because millions of people don't see a thing that does not make it a lie...

I hope you don't think I am trying to put you down, I am just trying to show that it may be possible that what Bill Wood says is true, even if his behavior does not follow the "well known" pattern. So he indeed may have been part of a "special one that functions differently".

Are we all at Avalon part of a group of people that sort of function differently :)?

PS: I am compelled to mention that I am bitching from a bench right now. I did not serve in the military at all ;)

Whiskey_Mystic
27th January 2012, 06:31
Maybe David should become a super hero.

What makes you think he's not?

jcocks
27th January 2012, 07:45
Now I would say this is interesting, from PC:

January 26, 2012

Project Camelot -- Navy Seals are said to be filing Complaints against Kerry Cassidy/Project Camelot regarding my video with Bill Wood aka Bill Brockbrader

Naval Criminal Investigative Service / Re: William Newel Brockbrader, aka Bill Wood, Stolen Valor / 27130 Telegraph Road / Quantico, VA 22134 / ncis[DOT]navy.mil/ContactUs/Pa­-ges/default[DOT].aspx

Quoting from an unknown source: .."There have been several complaints filled in this 'Stolen Valor' case. Also a complaint against Project Camelot-Kerry Cassidy...."

Someone sent me the above...

Looks like someone is filing some kind of charges... Look, if you want to file charges and get us in a courtroom to discuss CLEARANCES that go way above top secret and what the secret government is up to... We will be happy to oblige and break open this can of worms to reveal the real truth of what your tax dollars are paying for and where the majority of military funding is really going.

Chances are, they don't dare push this case any further than online threats.

As a friend said..."you KNOW you're over the target when you take flak"!!!

As I was closing up for the night I thought I'd check Project Camelot and saw the above.

:) or not

i wish this go further to the court, Bill Wood information reliable or not is not important but i'm more interest in blow the roof off with Bill Wood as Navy Seal who work in Government secret operations and facilities like Area 51.

It would be *NICE*...

I have a feeling a lot more info is going to come out this year, but it will be up to us to discern the truth from the lies using our intuition, it will not be "served up on a platter", so to speak...
And go with your first impression, don't second-guess yourself..

This sort of "is he / isn't he, will they/won't they?" thing will continue, and work itself up to fever pitch between now and the end of the year.... You ain't seen NOTHING yet!

And then, towards the end of the year, a *MAJOR* development will take place that will mark the beginning of the true changes.... I'm not sure what yet, but it does seem that there is way too much information out there that correllates for there not to be at least *something* to the dec 2012 situation.... It may not even be on that date exactly, dec 2012 may signify some sort of "tipping point" where everything adds up.... I'm not sure...

There are things I do know :

I had, while I was coming to my own conclusions about the BW livestream event, tingly feelings down my spine which I take to mean I'm on the right track. I have not had these for quite a while.
I have had a very strong, very *POSITIVE* feeling about this year since the new year... Like we have nothing to fear from the various conspiracy theories, that they have been largely dealt with.

My gut, my soul, tells me we're heading into a very special time.. A time of miracles, *IF WE ARE OPEN TO THEM*...If we will accept them into our lives!
But we have to TRUST ourselves, that we DO have the answers, that we *ARE* going to be lead the right way.

We're all in this together, and no-one really has all the answers, no one has the complete picture. We will only get that when we join hands and walk into the future with integrity, as equals, and with 100% determination.

The most important thing is to remember that we don't have to reclaim anything, we are already everything we ever were or willl be... We just have to TRUST OURSELVES that we are and that we can, when we come from the heart, handle this power that we embody.

Of course, I could be wrong, but my gut, my soul, tellls me otherwise :) It's time for celebration - for life should always be a celebration :)

jaybee
27th January 2012, 08:15
.

I want to pull out this part of the 2nd interview ....starts 8:50

Quote Bill 'Wood'....


"The reason that I am doing what I'm doing is because umm back on 2008 when I was living in Las Vegas err I was contacted/introduced to some people who had an interest (cough) in what goes on in Las Vegas umm myself and somebody who I care about very much err were part of the Party Scene and we were introduced to a lot of people and we quickly figured out that this Party Scene was just a thinly veiled disguise for drug dealing and prostitution umm (cough) and people that participate in these parties are very prominent - very recognisable doctors and lawyers policemen judges err famous Hollywood actors and actresses err lots of big name people and (clears throat) when I was contacted for this project I err just disclosed information about what these parties were about and what was happening in them (coughs, clears throat) - the progression of events lead to the fact that err what happened was that people that are involved in these parties are Little Fish, even though they're, you know, big recognisable names err thae people who I was working with didn't care err they simply wanted to give these people the same opportunity that they gave me to co-operate and to do the right thing and to tear the mask off of what's going on and all the sleezy and disgusting and tragic things that go on in Vegas that the elites have access to umm."


[David...when you say these people - you mean the Oath Keepers?]


"err the Oath Keepers - yes - and this information has been gathered and used and they talk to these doctors and lawyers and they give them the same opportunity to co-operate and for years this has been building up to now - the Mega Fish err have been outed and there's information that err would destroy them, ultimately, and the situation is that nobody really cares about what we were doing - nobody cares about anybody except the elites - and so I do need to say this one time - to all the Navy Seals out there. The person who is in charge of this network of parties, today currently is an ex- Navy Seal, that everybody would recognise and is definitely in a BUDS training class - now that being said - I have not disclosed any information - that I will not disclose any information about that as long as I am allowed to do my job and take care of business and go after the people who need going after. If everybody lays off and gives me a break and doesn't hurt me or the people that I love and care about - I will take these secrets to my grave. If I have any problems, or I find out any of my friends or loved ones have been hurt in any way - Kerry has all the details about who and what and some juicy juicy pictures - all of which will be put in the public and it will give the Seal Community a huge black eye. So I'm asking everybody - just let David and I do what we're doing and go about our business and everything will work out marvelously and the world will be a much better place."

[Kerry - ok, thankyou]




Quite a speech from Bill 'Wood'....but what exactly is going on here?

Blackmail? of some kind...or what?

DOES Kerry have 'juicy juicy' pictures of professional people at sex and drug parties?

Would the 'Oath Keepers' use someone who is on a sex offenders register (for what-ever reason) to represent them on Project Camelot/Avalon?

I am not feeling good about all this Bill 'Wood' stuff. What exactly does he have to offer?

How come suddenly he is working with David?

I would caution David about getting too close to this man. What good can come of it?


:confused:


..

sdafnom
27th January 2012, 08:35
MY WORD, whats got into you all,why don't we just let it all play out and we will for sure see sooner or later what's what. we are not going anywhere, we are not doing anything, we have not been asked of anything, let it ride, and the truth will eventually come up. If he is a set up and a fraud, which at the moment I have nothing to disprove, its no skin in reality of our noses, Kerry check his details, and he admitted he has now a record, up to now it all checks, also DW has vouched for him, the contacts had now accepted his story and presumably ID him, whats all the commotion, wait and let it ride out, soon we will know. if we had made a mistake OK lesson learnt, but we are listening to outsiders more, than to a group of people who we are ajoined to. lets wait and see, I am sure there will be more to come, I am sure all hell will break out. WHY???? and most of this thread is totally of topic.

regards as always to you all
roman

Here, here!
Examine the validity of the message, not the messenger.
If an insider, who did terrible things decides to tell some truths, do we listen to what's been said or we dismiss it because of who said it?
Does it matter if he can prove that he was a SEAL?
Do you really think that guys sent for black ops, risking capture, the military will leave their record lying around so they can be backtraced?
Let's look intelligently at the information given, evaluate it and draw conclusions.
The rest will follow

Stavros

Tony
27th January 2012, 08:45
The point is, none of them said anything!

They were talking about things we can neither prove or disprove.
It was all hearsay.
There was absolutely no helpful conclusion, and a total distraction from people's everyday lives.

They hinted at consciousness, but say nothing about it.

What they have done, is got us speculating again...again....again!
Justifying speculations again...again..again!
They have done it again....again...again, got us guessing!
We have been through all this before...again...again....again!

Wake up people!

Guessing, speculating, justifying.......is making us go round in circles.

Please stop exercising your gullibility

ROMANWKT
27th January 2012, 10:28
The point is, none of them said anything!

They were talking about things we can neither prove or disprove.
It was all hearsay.
There was absolutely no helpful conclusion, and a total distraction from people's everyday lives.

They hinted at consciousness, but say nothing about it.

What they have done, is got us speculating again...again....again!
Justifying speculations again...again..again!
They have done it again....again...again, got us guessing!
We have been through all this before...again...again....again!

Wake up people!

Guessing, speculating, justifying.......is making us go round in circles.

Please stop exercising your gullibility

Hi Tony

Yes you are absolutely right Tony, WE SHOULD STOP SPECULATING.

Warmest regards as ever and thank you for the video you made for us, really great as usual, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39044-System-mechanics-of-human-potential

so we continue and move on

roman

jaybee
27th January 2012, 10:38
.

how about this for a good idea.....those who want to continue speculating, continue speculating...and those who don't want to...don't.

simple



.

HaveBlue
27th January 2012, 10:40
The name Bill Wood is a pseudenymn. We do not know his real name yet. Just like 'Henry Deacon' is not the real name of Aurthur Neuman who took some years to finally announce what his real name was.

It matter not what name is given by him or anyone else. It is the info that is important and does it feel right? Yes, it sure does. Anybody that would believe an official bit of writing from some serving military man simply because 'he said so' is simply an idiot.

Tony
27th January 2012, 11:00
.

how about this for a good idea.....those who want to continue speculating, continue speculating...and those who don't want to...don't.

simple



.

Unfortunately speculation takes up rather a lot of space and time.

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 11:28
His name is known, his face is on a sex offenders site:

William Neal BrockBrader

EYES WIDE OPEN
27th January 2012, 12:45
What?!?!?!

jaybee
27th January 2012, 12:53
.

how about this for a good idea.....those who want to continue speculating, continue speculating...and those who don't want to...don't.

simple



.

Unfortunately speculation takes up rather a lot of space and time.


so don't do it then...but I think you will find that a forum like this contains a lot of speculation on many subjects....:)






His name is known, his face is on a sex offenders site:

William Neal BrockBrader


http://www.offendex.com/directory/UT/B/WILLIAM_NEWEL_BROCKBRADER_298689


If the info on above link is correct...that is said to be one of his aliases....




WILLIAM NEWEL BROCKBRADER
UT 00000

Alias(es): WILLIAM NEAL BROCKBRADER; WILLIAM NEWELL BROCKBRADER; WILLIAM NEWGY BROCKRADER;

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 12:55
"
"Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

There ya go folks! She was 12! NOT 16! Have fun with that one. Like yer whistle blower now?

SomaSmith
27th January 2012, 13:04
Re: Khaleesi... :jaw: Not Doubting you at all, but where did you find this info?

*Update* edit

I retract my previous question... Sometimes I forget that you can find anything about anybody on google. Thank you to all involved in bringing this to light. And Khalessi, when I read your post, I had a vivid image of an atom bomb. Boom! The shock-wave is still spreading.

Soma

jaybee
27th January 2012, 13:05
.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html


January 26, 2012

Project Camelot -- Navy Seals are said to be filing Complaints against Kerry Cassidy/Project Camelot regarding my video with Bill Wood aka Bill Brockbrader

Naval Criminal Investigative Service / Re: William Newel Brockbrader, aka Bill Wood, Stolen Valor / 27130 Telegraph Road / Quantico, VA 22134 / ncis[DOT]navy.mil/ContactUs/Pa­-ges/default[DOT].aspx

Quoting from an unknown source: .."There have been several complaints filled in this 'Stolen Valor' case. Also a complaint against Project Camelot-Kerry Cassidy...."

Someone sent me the above...

Looks like someone is filing some kind of charges... Look, if you want to file charges and get us in a courtroom to discuss CLEARANCES that go way above top secret and what the secret government is up to... We will be happy to oblige and break open this can of worms to reveal the real truth of what your tax dollars are paying for and where the majority of military funding is really going.

Chances are, they don't dare push this case any further than online threats.

A little speculation...if I may....:p


I hope this whole Bill 'Wood' thing isn't a STING operation.


Re the above quote from Kerry's blog....if a charges are filed, then a lot of TIME and MONEY would have to be spent defending the charges and making a case.

BUT...the case might not (in fact probably wouldn't) ever make it to court?

Meanwhile Bill 'Wood' keeps centre stage for the best part of 2012...

I hope I'm wrong with this speculation because that would be a bloody shame and a waste of energy.


:/


.

Gardener
27th January 2012, 13:10
QUESTION FOR KERRY In the interests of getting at the truth.

When a member of your forum (camelot) posted the letter from Don Shipley it was removed. Now apparently it is back after you speak with the guy. After your conversation you get the impression Don Shipley doesnt know what he is talking about, and that he is in denial about black ops. Am I correct so far.

In the interests of truth and transparency, why did you feel the need to remove the letter in the first place, what motivated that action?

BestLion
27th January 2012, 13:14
There ya go folks! She was 12! NOT 16! Have fun with that one. Like yer whistle blower now?
12 year old girl! my god! :jaw: And his military record is far from that of a claim of Navy seal doing operations during project Iraqi Freedom. June 2001 DISCHARGE was pre-911. i was in the Army then and it was peacetime..nothing going on but Bosnia.
Thank god i didn't waste much time watching this liar!Google search can tell much before one spends 3 hours on a person they never heard about!

jaybee
27th January 2012, 13:19
"
"Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

There ya go folks! She was 12! NOT 16! Have fun with that one. Like yer whistle blower now?


Ah ha!.....re the bolded.....so the link I posted earlier in the thread about a 'Bill Brockbrader' being a contestant in this competition was him then.

http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?mode=contest&eventcode=1446

Note that the only contestant who doesn't have a picture up is.......yes you guessed it....


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DNA
27th January 2012, 13:24
The point is, none of them said anything!

They were talking about things we can neither prove or disprove.
It was all hearsay.
There was absolutely no helpful conclusion, and a total distraction from people's everyday lives.

They hinted at consciousness, but say nothing about it.

What they have done, is got us speculating again...again....again!
Justifying speculations again...again..again!
They have done it again....again...again, got us guessing!
We have been through all this before...again...again....again!

Wake up people!

Guessing, speculating, justifying.......is making us go round in circles.

Please stop exercising your gullibility

Wow! That is exactly what I say.

Everytime I read one of your threads. :p

Sorry, I couldn't resist. All in good fun. :o

BestLion
27th January 2012, 13:27
Ah ha!.....re the bolded.....so the link I posted earlier in the thread about a 'Bill Brockbrader' being a contestant in this competition was him then.

http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/...eventcode=1446

Note that the only contestant who doesn't have a picture up is.......yes you guessed it....
Ahh good find..there is his name! 'Bill Brockbrader' and yes no picture :rolleyes: wonder why? Easy cause he is an online registered sex offender who had sex with a 12 year old girl..not the 16 year old he suppose claimed in the interview as posted here on this thread.
I am very afraid this entire thing will be totally exposed within a week and sadly will discredit PC. having a man who raped a 12 yr old girl and lies about his military life isnt going to play out well. :(

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 13:31
Ah ha!.....re the bolded.....so the link I posted earlier in the thread about a 'Bill Brockbrader' being a contestant in this competition was him then.

http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/index.php?mode=contest&eventcode=1446

Note that the only contestant who doesn't have a picture up is.......yes you guessed it....


.

Body Builders love to show off their bodies in pictures. He's the only one in the competition who doesn't put up a pic! Oooh, that because he's a super duper black ops guy and will be spotted! This actually proves his claims everyone, none of the other documented evidence is factual. It's all a government black ops cover-up! Yes yes, it can't be a way to discredit the truth movement.

I really am curious, how did he come to Kerry's attention? Who introduced them? That might be revealing. Kerry, care to share?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

But but, David Wilcock vouched for him and look how DW inserted himself into all of this! I bet DW introduced them or a go between did so DW could rescue his flagging image of being so important.

It's looking more and more like the tail wagging the dog.

christian
27th January 2012, 13:32
"Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

There ya go folks! She was 12! NOT 16! Have fun with that one. Like yer whistle blower now?

Source? :wizard:

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 13:35
"Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

There ya go folks! She was 12! NOT 16! Have fun with that one. Like yer whistle blower now?

Source? :wizard:

I didn't see you demanding the SOURCE :wizard: for Mr. Wood's facts? Seems a bit late to demanding sources. LMAO

Yes, trust a guy who has no interactions here, and question Khaleesi's? Wow......

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 13:35
"Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

There ya go folks! She was 12! NOT 16! Have fun with that one. Like yer whistle blower now?

Source? :wizard:

Why? you don't care about Bill Woods' sources. But if it really matters to you it's all a matter of public record.

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 13:38
Here I'll play along for a moment:

http://www.whosarrested.com/nevada/clark-county/las-vegas/ccdc/111367-william-brockbrader

William Brockbrader was last arrested in Las Vegas, NV on June 4, 2010.


http://www.whosarrested.com/images/guy-mug.gif?1326970187

Inmate Name:
Brockbrader, William


Inmate #:
2706758


Last Arrest Date:
06/04/2010


Sex:
Male


Race:
White


Age/DOB:
38


Height:



Weight:


Inmate Location & Arrest Information http://www.whosarrested.com/images/tool-tip.png?1326970187

Useful terms explained

Charges can be written many different ways. Use this guide to help understand some of them

Usm - U.S. Marshall
Intent T - with intent to sell
Dui Alc - Driving Under the Influence of Alcohol
Att - Attempted
Comm - Commerce (for selling)
Misd - Misdemeanor

Charges Resulting from Arrest on 06/04/2010


Detention Facility: CCDC (http://www.whosarrested.com/ccdc/clark-county/las-vegas/ccdc)

1.
Exp Lic Plts 10.02.010/482.545 1
Counts: 1
Bond: $0.00

2.
No D/L In Poss 10.02.010/483.350
Counts: 1
Bond: $0.00

3.
Unsafe Turn Movement Lane Change 10.02.010/484.343
Counts: 1
Bond: $0.00

4.
Basic Speed 16 20 Over 11.16.070/484.361
Counts: 1
Bond: $0.00

Gardener
27th January 2012, 13:39
Looking very much like a cointelpro sting now!

BestLion
27th January 2012, 13:41
Oooh, that because he's a super duper black ops guy and will be spotted
Give me a break! He is about as black op as Papa Smurf! And so what if he was black op? Anyway love your sarcasm on that post! These people (seals) still have a PERSONAL LIFE! They are not robots! I knew many airborne rangers while in the army..and they had a privet life if be doing events etc..and many would pose for newspapers etc and had no problem getting their photo taken for a community event! Also the event was April 2011 way after he got out of the Military, and he has no problem going on video with PC , but cant have a few pics of him in a bodybuilder contest..DONT ADD UP!

jcocks
27th January 2012, 13:41
It is incredibly easy for tptb to destroy somebody's life if they wish.... Thus I remain on the fence for the time being, but it does not look good for either PA or PC at this time... It's in everyones' best interests that bill and kerry get to the bottom of this ASAP before credibiity is further destroyed.

jaybee
27th January 2012, 13:42


[/COLOR]But but, David Wilcock vouched for him and look how DW inserted himself into all of this! I bet DW introduced them or a go between did so DW could rescue his flagging image of being so important.

It's looking more and more like the tail wagging the dog.

lol...you couldn't resist could ya!

I think David could be wrong about BW.....but I still support David.....generally. At the moment I'm supporting him by being honest about what I think re BW.


.

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 13:45
I think this was the training BW had:

TR3LpriSmxM

SomaSmith
27th January 2012, 13:51
May I just say... I have been following this since day 1 and I have remained fairly neutral on Bill Wood (AKA William Brockbrader) I have read this thread and pondered everyone's perspective.

My point here is that through all of the opposing views and discussion that has occurred here in this thread, we should all be proud of the fact that our wonderful collective know as Avalon can work through anything to get to the HARD TRUTH!

That is why we are here right?

Sincerely proud to be here with you all,

Soma

BestLion
27th January 2012, 13:53
I think this was the training BW had:
Haaa, he sort of does have Gomer Piles mannerisms..at least from what i seen in the video of him! "he could hardly scare a bunny rabbit" ;)
This probably fits his navy experience better>
InBXu-iY7cw

christian
27th January 2012, 13:58
I didn't see you demanding the SOURCE :wizard: for Mr. Wood's facts? Seems a bit late to demanding sources. LMAO

Yes, trust a guy who has no interactions here, and question Khaleesi's? Wow......



Why? you don't care about Bill Woods' sources. But if it really matters to you it's all a matter of public record.

And I was tempted to think, that you (Khaleesi) just made this up to illustrate how Bill Wood makes claims without sources. So it's all a matter of public record, could you be more precise for those, who want to doublecheck this?

---

I can understand, that if Bill Wood's testimony is authentic, he would have a hard time publishing hard evidence without bringing himself into a very dangerous position. I never said I trusted him, I'm perfectly fine with remaining open-minded as to whether his story is true or false.

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 14:01
I didn't see you demanding the SOURCE :wizard: for Mr. Wood's facts? Seems a bit late to demanding sources. LMAO

Yes, trust a guy who has no interactions here, and question Khaleesi's? Wow......



Why? you don't care about Bill Woods' sources. But if it really matters to you it's all a matter of public record.

And I was tempted to think, that you (Khaleesi) just made this up to illustrate how Bill Wood makes claims without sources. So it's all a matter of public record, could you be more precise for those, who want to doublecheck this?

---

I can understand, that if Bill Wood's testimony is authentic, he would have a hard time publishing hard evidence without bringing himself into a very dangerous position. I never said I trusted him, I'm perfectly fine with remaining open-minded as to whether his story is true or false.

LMAO...... Yes, he can't provide basic proof. I have not seen you wanting even that. This will all come to light very clearly. Do your own homework.

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 14:05
Ok just finished work, nice to see we are still 'openminded' about BW !!!!!

Right who's first in the queue....

SYkbqzWVHZI

DNA
27th January 2012, 14:05
"Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

There ya go folks! She was 12! NOT 16! Have fun with that one. Like yer whistle blower now?

Source? :wizard:

I didn't see you demanding the SOURCE :wizard: for Mr. Wood's facts? Seems a bit late to demanding sources. LMAO

Yes, trust a guy who has no interactions here, and question Khaleesi's? Wow......

I don't think it is Bill Wood's anyone is necessarily trusting here, no one would be discussing Bill Woods if it wasn't for Bill Ryan and Kerry.

And yes, Bill Ryan and Kerry have earned enough respect, that I am going to hear any one out they deem worthy of interviewing.

So who are you attacking? Are you attacking Bill Wood's credibility or Ryan and Cassidy's?

BestLion
27th January 2012, 14:09
The Video, Info, and all stuff about Bill Wood should be taken off PA -PC -YouTube ASAP until this case is resolved. I'm afraid if this is left up there..and in 3-4 days all does surface it will do great harm to PA -PC reputation. PC-PA do have great stuff, and i would hate to see it lack due to this stuff. I think it was all a misunderstanding, and likely forged documents by Mr Wood.
I think PC can redeem themselves on a disclaimer that the info and fact presented to them by this man were not as truthful as they though. To error is but human, we all make mistakes.

DNA
27th January 2012, 14:11
I think this was the training BW had:

TR3LpriSmxM



I think this was the training BW had:
Haaa, he sort of does have Gomer Piles mannerisms..at least from what i seen in the video of him! "he could hardly scare a bunny rabbit" ;)
This probably fits his navy experience better>
InBXu-iY7cw

Wow! So the detracters are now flinging the most baseless of insults. I think this says more about the detracters than it does about the interviewee.

What is this kindergarten?!?

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 14:14
I think someone brought BW to Kerry's attention. Thus they trusted someone, and now it looks like egg on the face time, but will they stick with BW? I really think someone did not do proper vetting.

I think this is about taking down Pa and PC as a joke, no credibility and using such ppl as BW to do so. The house of cards is falling, and I think it's a set up. I do recall a certain someone a long time ago saying BR and KC were targeted. BR was threatened, but to kill them would make them martyrs, so the best destruction is from within to make them ruin their own credibility through such a terrible WB like Bill Woods.

I wonder who got the most face time the other night in the second interview..... hmmm

BestLion
27th January 2012, 14:16
Wow! So the detracters are now flinging the most baseless of insults. I think this says more about the detracters than it does about the interviewee.

What is this kindergarten?!?
he's the one claiming to be something he is not! So we are just tring to make light of the situation. We dont always have to be some serious goons!
Its pretty clear the guy is a fake. That has been 99% confirmed about 2 pages back..the entire truth will come out in a few days when real seals investigate and post this.

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 14:17
Okay, let me put this into context for you. You want to say there are secret SEALs. I don't think so, but I won't argue with you. Even if there are secret SEALs, they have to do SEAL training first, right? They would do their B.U.D.S. but they are NOT a SEAL yet. They have to do this to be a SEAL. This is a matter of record. He is not on record as doing his B.U.D.S. and CAN NOT name who his B.U.D.S. trainer was. I promise you any SEAL can name his B.U.D.S. trainer. Their names are not secrets. Jesse Ventura can name his trainer. Go ask him.

christian
27th January 2012, 14:18
LMAO...... Yes, he can't provide basic proof. I have not seen you wanting even that.

Why would I ask him for anything, that he either does not have documentation of or cannot safely publish anyways? This is not the way I go here. I'm fine with that, I cannot force things on that front. - Whereas in Khaleesi's case, this can easily be doublechecked, if it's truly public.

Is it not a double standard to demand proof and evidence from one person and to believe and defend unfounded allegations from another?

---

Apparently Khaleesi makes no efforts to substantiate her claim, that Bill had sex with a 12 year old, although she claims it is all public.

Kano
27th January 2012, 14:21
Okay, let me put this into context for you. You want to say there are secret SEALs. I don't think so, but I won't argue with you. Even if there are secret SEALs, they have to do SEAL training first, right? They would do their B.U.D.S. but they are NOT a SEAL yet. They have to do this to be a SEAL. This is a matter of record. He is not on record as doing his B.U.D.S. and CAN NOT name who his B.U.D.S. trainer was. I promise you any SEAL can name his B.U.D.S. trainer. Their names are not secrets. Jesse Ventura can name his trainer. Go ask him.

My friend, I'm afraid you assume too much.

13th Warrior
27th January 2012, 14:24
The small minded posing as intelligent beings have become more visible here lately.

Whitehaze
27th January 2012, 14:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHjYthk8wlY&feature=related

Don Shipley on Stolen Valor. This is a man who takes these false SEAL claims very seriously, and rightfully so. I support what Don does 100%.

Whitehaze
27th January 2012, 14:32
LMAO...... Yes, he can't provide basic proof. I have not seen you wanting even that.

Why would I ask him for anything, that he either does not have documentation of or cannot safely publish anyways? This is not the way I go here. I'm fine with that, I cannot force things on that front. - Whereas in Khaleesi's case, this can easily be doublechecked, if it's truly public.

Is it not a double standard to demand proof and evidence from one person and to believe and defend unfounded allegations from another?

---

Apparently Khaleesi makes no efforts to substantiate her claim, that Bill had sex with a 12 year old, although she claims it is all public.

Here is the source, and I am quite certain there will be more coming.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/don.shipley

BestLion
27th January 2012, 14:40
Here is the source, and I am quite certain there will be more coming.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/don.shipley
I believe this Don Shipley is a true blue guy, and wants to preserve the honor and valor of the real seals! And I have utmost respect for that! For those how don't go to the site here is a few cuts and paste by Don Shipley>Obviously he hasn't fooled Don!

DON'T POST THIS LINK ON HIS LIVE CHAT... Awwww... Go ahead... That Phony Bastard need it... http://www.offendex.com/directory/UT/B/WILLIAM_NEWEL_BROCKBRADER_298689

Don Shipley
Ha Ha Ha... Not even close to the fall Bill Wood is about to take...

Don Shipley
Sent from Black Out... Bill Brockbrader wrote him... "Your adorable. You get that we kind of had our own thing going at BUDS. See we had to smart then we got turned into SEAL. You can't look me up cause it was a top secret program. I know that it must be hard to imagine that they don't telling you everything just cause your SEAL. You were a regular SEAL and did regular SEAL stuff. We were on a completely different level.

Besides...use you brain. Do you think they actually skip SEAL 6 and 9. oh wait. now its just 9 that doesnt exist and SEAL 6 is just ****ing dead. 20 team members in one helo? That should tell you something about how disposable you. Help yourself. lose the anger. help your country. Besides. Im a total passive. Couldn't hurt a fly. I've seen enough death thank you very much."

Ankur Chandra Bill Wood must go down ....The absolutely worst ..shameless # 1 phony i have ever seen so far ....!!!!!!

Nerge
27th January 2012, 14:47
I was actually going to post a serious reply to this thread but it's clearly - to me at least - becoming ridiculous:

"Quick, get the pitchforks and the torches! Burn him!!!!!"

It almost seems like some cannot stand anyone not taking a side in this, or perhaps more specifically, not taking their point of view.

Certainly not what I joined up here for; if you disagree with someone's opinion, then fine, but at least show a little class while doing so. There's almost a sinister undertone of hatred and sheer glee in trying to show that they're right in their opinion - above all else - at times. Differing opinions are fine and most can handle that but the way those differences are expressed makes a world of difference that's for sure. (as this thread clearly show)

christian
27th January 2012, 14:49
Apparently Khaleesi makes no efforts to substantiate her claim, that Bill had sex with a 12 year old, although she claims it is all public.

Here is the source, and I am quite certain there will be more coming.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/don.shipley

It's obvious, that Mr. Don Shipley does not symphathize with Bill Wood.

But on this facebook profile I cannot find the section that says, Bill had sex with a 12 year old. Can you or others? If so, is there a source given there? An unfounded claim on facebook hardly counts as a valid source.

13th Warrior
27th January 2012, 14:50
I was actually going to post a serious reply to this thread but it's clearly - to me at least - becoming ridiculous:

"Quick, get the pitchforks and the torches! Burn him!!!!!"

It almost seems like some cannot stand anyone not taking a side in this, or perhaps more specifically, not taking their point of view.

Certainly not what I joined up here for; if you disagree with someone's opinion, then fine, but at least show a little class while doing so. There's almost a sinister undertone of hatred and sheer glee in trying to show that they're right in their opinion - above all else - at times. Differing opinions are fine and most can handle that but the way those differences are expressed makes a world of difference that's for sure. (as this thread clearly show)

You all are acting like a bunch of crows, cackling over a fresh gut pile!

BestLion
27th January 2012, 14:52
I was actually going to post a serious reply to this thread but it's clearly - to me at least - becoming ridiculous:

"Quick, get the pitchforks and the torches! Burn him!!!!!"
No it MUCH deeper then that. I am a real former military man, and I have utmost respect for seals, rangers, green berets etc..And we have a man imposing as a seal, and then posting on PC as a true fraud..this is nothing to overlook.Read the comments on that Facebook site with Don! Now everyone thinks on there that PC is nutjob- supporting frauds! This is BAD! I'll bet 99% of those people never heard about us until this Bill Wood guy..now they all discredit us because some con artist.
I personally would like PC and PA to respect the military seals and their reputation by taking down this man ASAP from all videos -text etc..And placing a discloser to save face.
This is rather serious!

Kano
27th January 2012, 14:52
LMAO...... Yes, he can't provide basic proof. I have not seen you wanting even that.

Why would I ask him for anything, that he either does not have documentation of or cannot safely publish anyways? This is not the way I go here. I'm fine with that, I cannot force things on that front. - Whereas in Khaleesi's case, this can easily be doublechecked, if it's truly public.

Is it not a double standard to demand proof and evidence from one person and to believe and defend unfounded allegations from another?

---

Apparently Khaleesi makes no efforts to substantiate her claim, that Bill had sex with a 12 year old, although she claims it is all public.

Here is the source, and I am quite certain there will be more coming.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/don.shipley

I'm sorry but this facebook page shows me nothing.

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 14:58
I was actually going to post a serious reply to this thread but it's clearly - to me at least - becoming ridiculous:

"Quick, get the pitchforks and the torches! Burn him!!!!!"
No it MUCH deeper then that. I am a real former military man, and I have utmost respect for seals, rangers, green berets etc..And we have a man imposing as a seal, and then posting on PC as a true fraud..this is nothing to overlook.Read the comments on that Facebook site with Don! Now everyone thinks on there that PC is nutjob- supporting frauds! This is BAD! I'll bet 99% of those people never heard about us until this Bill Wood guy..now they all discredit us because some con artist.
I personally would like PC and PA to respect the military seals and their reputation by taking down this man ASAP from all videos -text etc..And placing a discloser to save face.
This is rather serious!

BestLion, You Nailed IT!

That is why this is so bad. This is in my book a huge op to take down PA and PC as ever having anything credible to share. Everyone here is now a certifiable nutjob and to be dismissed! Everything talked about here is now bogus because of this asshole Bill Woods!

Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy please look at the basic facts of Mr. Woods story. Does it add up? Look at those in the SEAL community and THEIR sources and look at Woods story. Who is more credible? What has Mr. Woods revealed that we did not know already? NOTHING.

Please salvage this before it's too late!

Whitehaze
27th January 2012, 15:00
LMAO...... Yes, he can't provide basic proof. I have not seen you wanting even that.

Why would I ask him for anything, that he either does not have documentation of or cannot safely publish anyways? This is not the way I go here. I'm fine with that, I cannot force things on that front. - Whereas in Khaleesi's case, this can easily be doublechecked, if it's truly public.

Is it not a double standard to demand proof and evidence from one person and to believe and defend unfounded allegations from another?

---

Apparently Khaleesi makes no efforts to substantiate her claim, that Bill had sex with a 12 year old, although she claims it is all public.

Here is the source, and I am quite certain there will be more coming.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/don.shipley

I'm sorry but this facebook page shows me nothing.

Then perhaps you are not looking close enough. There is more than just a facebook page. If a person stops looking, then of course they are not going to see. Trust in yourself to do the looking, it is out there.

Alie
27th January 2012, 15:02
"Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

There ya go folks! She was 12! NOT 16! Have fun with that one. Like yer whistle blower now?

Source? :wizard:

I didn't see you demanding the SOURCE :wizard: for Mr. Wood's facts? Seems a bit late to demanding sources. LMAO

Yes, trust a guy who has no interactions here, and question Khaleesi's? Wow......

I don't think it is Bill Wood's anyone is necessarily trusting here, no one would be discussing Bill Woods if it wasn't for Bill Ryan and Kerry.

And yes, Bill Ryan and Kerry have earned enough respect, that I am going to hear any one out they deem worthy of interviewing.

So who are you attacking? Are you attacking Bill Wood's credibility or Ryan and Cassidy's?

DNA - Thank you!!! That's the point I was trying to make earlier on #345. But again, this is a community of very strong minded individuals, which is quite admirable. There just seems to be an attitude in this thread that I'm not accustomed to. Hard to put a finger on, but it's a little like "demanding" rights, rather than "appreciating" rights.

spiritguide
27th January 2012, 15:06
01:38:40 The last seven moves on the chess game...
I have the feeling that the "uphold" of the rules of the game is taken for granted here. (in order for the specific result / conclusion to be drawn) .
What if the rules can be bend or broken on a technicality / interference?
Any thoughts?

Stavros

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If the game broke out with broken or no rules then the strategy of overcoming because of the odds of millions of players in consensus versus a few trying to outguess them. No rules makes it an easy game and nothing to fear. IMHO

christian
27th January 2012, 15:07
Then perhaps you are not looking close enough. There is more than just a facebook page. If a person stops looking, then of course they are not going to see. Trust in yourself to do the looking, it is out there.

Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi:


OK... The Bills Wood story... Bill Brock deleted his facebook page last night.
Listed below in first comment...



After listening for the FOURTH time to this stammering idiot, Bill Wood (pseudonym) this is what I have… Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

He provides no source whatsoever.

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 15:10
I agree Allie , about the strong minded individuals and that is better than being 'sheeple'...( There is a odd air)..

But...We get it !! hes a liar, Childmolester, seal inpersonator , lieing son of a bitch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where has that got us apart from bickering , he maybe all these things, and next stop 'Charlesville'

But What if hes NOT ! and all this is put up by TPTB to smear him.....Whats the rush to crusify him....

'WE ALL GET IT HE MAY BE A FRAUD'........SO lets Wait to see what Bill and Kerry have to say...

After reading this I think Bill R will be a little dissapointed with our reactions....Steve...

cowens66
27th January 2012, 15:12
I just wrote a reply here that was focused on US military "actions" around the world. Google how many wars the US is involved in globally.
While I was typing my hands and arms were shaky. This is far from a normal occurrence for me. As a matter of fact it has never happened.
As I was finishing I must have hit the back button or something. The entire post was gone. Not as unusual for me when I'm writing something that makes me wonder what the ramifications of that writing may be.
So I will not write that post at this time but I do have a few questions for some here to ponder.
Who owns Google and how is it controlled?
Who owns FB and how is that used?
I'm still not convinced one way or the other on this guy BW though "bells will be ringing" and it still doesn't matter in the really big picture except maybe for him.
The assumption that "this is the one that will ruin PC and PA" Can't tell you how many times I have heard that one mate. I don't buy that as the reason for the concern here.

BestLion
27th January 2012, 15:14
Here is how this man -Bill Wood: has helped our cause..most I;m sure are by people who just heard about us via Bill Wood" This is not good for the credibility of PA PC.
Facebook post>

Terry Cornell Hughes I can't believe the BS that Camelot program puts out. And totally unbelievable to me is the blocking they put to the subscribers! Shameful! This is still the United States of America, right? How do you decide what questions or comments gets booted? I had to quit listening. My stomach was turning. Total BS! They don't want to know the truth! Simple as that!

Laurielee Woodlock Roy Project Camelot has a fb page. And this guy is on it.

Don Shipley They 'PC' are banning us faster than Bill when he raped that little girl...

William Ethen Bailey such bull**** from these ppl

Randy Reynolds we need to end this guy RIGHT NOW

Alex Teague He just threatened the entire SEAL community

Jason Roberts I literally had to stop watching, i cannot believe this guy.

Dan Vaudreuil Looks like Kerry Cassidy will be banning a **** load of people tonight.

Benjamin Martin This dude crossed the line....Don, rip him a new one. I am expecting a video on a level of which I've never seen. This is going to be LOUD!!!

Roger Fox Here'es a sesponse from that WHACK Kerry Cassidy....." girl was 16 and it was consensual between a 25 year old and a 16 year old... and he was NEVER CHARGED in San Diego at the time because it wasn't illegal then"...

the military chose to go back 2 years to charge him because they wanted him under their thumb.

you need to get your facts straight... I have his discharge papers.

ok.....Don....SHE has the discharge papers!

Whitehaze
27th January 2012, 15:14
Then perhaps you are not looking close enough. There is more than just a facebook page. If a person stops looking, then of course they are not going to see. Trust in yourself to do the looking, it is out there.

Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi:


OK... The Bills Wood story... Bill Brock deleted his facebook page last night.
Listed below in first comment...



After listening for the FOURTH time to this stammering idiot, Bill Wood (pseudonym) this is what I have… Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

He provides no source whatsoever.

Then the next obvious course of action would be for you to ask Don Shipley himself.......yes?

christian
27th January 2012, 15:19
Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi.

He provides no source whatsoever.

Then the next obvious course of action would be for you to ask Don Shipley himself.......yes?

Well did you? Did anybody? I just did so, I'm curious what he comes up with.

Unified Serenity
27th January 2012, 15:24
Then perhaps you are not looking close enough. There is more than just a facebook page. If a person stops looking, then of course they are not going to see. Trust in yourself to do the looking, it is out there.

Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi:


OK... The Bills Wood story... Bill Brock deleted his facebook page last night.
Listed below in first comment...



After listening for the FOURTH time to this stammering idiot, Bill Wood (pseudonym) this is what I have… Joined Navy in June 1991, discharged June 2001. Claims his brother served in the Navy with him. Assigned to an PRECOM "Arleigh Burk" Class destroyer in San Diego. Ship was reassigned to Yokosuka, Japan. Began deployments in late 1992. In April/May 1997 General Court Martial for child rape. Claims incident with child happened two years earlier in San Diego so April/May 1995 was the sex incident. Seems to claim he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge on "Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of a Minor. Carnal knowledge with a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.
Spent three years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas. Spent last six months of incarceration in Psychological Ward and discharged from nut house and Navy in June, 2001. Claims paperwork he has shows "exactly" 3 years and one month in Prison. Went "BACK HOME" to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked a construction job. Also worked at a "Large" Medical Laser Company. Signed paperwork and registered as a Sex Offender or go back to prison for 8-years. Started his own business and had business destroyed from his Sex Offender Picture visible online. Got a ticket in Las Vegas by Metro Police on his way to a bodybuilding competition. Claims received a degree in "Electrical Engineering."

He provides no source whatsoever.

Then the next obvious course of action would be for you to ask Don Shipley himself.......yes?

Why would he do that? He wants the information provided, but honestly do you think even an official Navy or FBI exposing Mr. Woods as a complete liar would matter here? No, because everyone in the government is coving up the black ops and Mr. Woods is being set up! Forget his story does not add up. Forget he can't answer simple questions quickly and looks to the right creating **** rather than remembering reality. No, it's all a conspiracy against Mr. Woods.

I am done here. TRUTH does not matter here because the lie is so much sweeter.

Kano
27th January 2012, 15:30
LMAO...... Yes, he can't provide basic proof. I have not seen you wanting even that.

Why would I ask him for anything, that he either does not have documentation of or cannot safely publish anyways? This is not the way I go here. I'm fine with that, I cannot force things on that front. - Whereas in Khaleesi's case, this can easily be doublechecked, if it's truly public.

Is it not a double standard to demand proof and evidence from one person and to believe and defend unfounded allegations from another?

---

Apparently Khaleesi makes no efforts to substantiate her claim, that Bill had sex with a 12 year old, although she claims it is all public.

Here is the source, and I am quite certain there will be more coming.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/don.shipley

I'm sorry but this facebook page shows me nothing.

Then perhaps you are not looking close enough. There is more than just a facebook page. If a person stops looking, then of course they are not going to see. Trust in yourself to do the looking, it is out there.

I will continue to stay open-minded about this whole situation. However, I have still yet to see substantiated evidence that would make me believe that BW is a fraud. Just because his records cannot be found using traditional means only suggest to me that his story has even more credence until further notice. We shall see soon enough.

WhiteFeather
27th January 2012, 15:31
Perhaps very well the producer of the film Contact knew of such a device!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSaO9VGjLXc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YQXbPkCkbs

CdnSirian
27th January 2012, 15:33
I would never consider Facebook a source for anything...but info on it could point toward a valid source. I do not know how to search a person's background, or view authentic military records. But, given the possibility that BW is sharing true information, and those who want him disgraced have the perfect ability to create any record they need us to see, we cannot know. We cannot prove anything either way.

Has no one read Duncan O'Finioan's book or Wade Frazier's story of Dennis? Records can say what certain parties want them to say. You think a record can't be changed in 5 minutes if an interested party has access? Let's not be naive.

I appreciate the trouble those above went to find information - as I said, I do not know how to do that. And to authenticate every person who comes up in the chain. I don't question Don Shipley. He has access to the same info we do, right? So a lot of confusion has come up. Definitely looks bad for BW. Definitely looks like PC and PA have been used and bruised.

I would like to know what Kerry searched herself on BW. I can't believe she would just look at papers he handed her and then think "cool". Then again, if she did a search she would have found Don Shipley and the info that Khaleesi presented, wouldn't she? (Someone has posted that that info was posted after the interview, thanks). But, perhaps did she find something different that got changed quickly, or did she not search?

DW's input doesn't sway me either way. He would access the same "public" records, right? Or did not look. The whole situation now presents PC and PA as irresponsible grand-standers.

And, this thread has some vicious moments, so -- who benefits?

Gardener
27th January 2012, 15:38
Chiquotet I believe the source for this information is the interview itself, after listening 4 times.

He provides no source whatsoever.

christian
27th January 2012, 15:43
I would never consider Facebook a source for anything...but info on it could point toward a valid source. I do not know how to search a person's background, or view authentic military records. But, given the possibility that BW is sharing true information, and those who want him disgraced have the perfect ability to create any record they need us to see, we cannot know. We cannot prove anything either way.

Has no one read Duncan O'Finioan's book or Wade Frazier's story of Dennis? Records can say what certain parties want them to say. You think a record can't be changed in 5 minutes if an interested party has access? Let's not be naive.

I agree completly.


I don't question Don Shipley. He has access to the same info we do, right? So a lot of confusion has come up. Definitely looks bad for BW. Definitely looks like PC and PA have been used and bruised.

I would like to know what Kerry searched herself on BW. I can't believe she would just look at papers he handed her and went "cool". Then again, if she did a search she would have found Don Shipley and the info that Khaleesi presented, wouldn't she? But, perhaps did she find something different that got changed quickly, or did she not search?

I don't know which sources Don feeds of, do you? And I don't see how Kerry should have found some guy's facebook comment about Bill Wood's history, besides that, the comment was only made after the interview was released.


Chiquotet I believe the source for this information is the interview itself, after listening 4 times.

He provides no source whatsoever.

So after three more runs I'd realize that Bill Wood had sex with a 12 year old?

Nerge
27th January 2012, 15:47
And, this thread has some vicious moments, so -- who benefits?

That's a very good question and remains to be seen but I have my suspicions.

Is it to discredit PA/PC? It's certainly possible, who has the most to gain by this? As to who is involved (or not) remains to be seen but I still feel it's too early to judge on that one.

taizen
27th January 2012, 15:58
Why are people trying so hard to follow the smallest of details and prove or disprove something insignificant to the big picture? Here's a question for all of those 'military' proofers out there. There was a military man in the green beret society dubbed : Two Ton Tommy. His term of service was in the Vietnam war era. I dare you to find out his story. You won't find it on the internet, books, or from many military personnel. He simply did not exist (officially), yet his title came from the fact that he saved his military lower ranking officers from death AND saved hundreds of civilian lives in the process. His actions were not publicized due to the fact he disobeyed orders from his higher ups. He was honorably discharged and was regularly conversing with the DOD with strategic matters up until 2 or 3 years ago. Also, his personal life was in shambles-you name it, he did it. Really folks? The military will put what they want other's to see on paper, but the truth is out there. Also, my point is, how did Two Ton Tommy affect the outcome of the war? Does it really matter?
What matters here is what the big picture of why everyone came together to listen to this program in the first place. Hopefully, fear was replaced by positive hope. Hopefully, after digesting the info, it was a reiteration/confirmation of what people already know. How many times do we get caught up in the details in life and forget the big picture? Is your life goal about debunking people? Is this fun for you? Is it constructive and positive? How can we turn the negative around and become positive? Dream the 'impossible' dream, become a kid again. As a kid, did you debunk your teacher? did you debunk your friends? If your friend was a liar, you called them out and stopped listening to them. You went on with your kid life. Same thing here. What if the hours that were spent on research trying to find things to kill the messenger, we could find positive ways to improve our community? I personally, watch these videos, glean what information resonates with me. Later on, if I have a different perspective, I will maybe come back to the video and glean some more. I don't go around attacking because I don't agree. It's not for me to judge him. I know I don't have that title for my life. For once, I would like to see a healthy discussion on the positive messages put forth from this video (reminded of the atticus situation). For instance:
-Bill Ryan relating his story of trying to get the internet in Equador - he felt it was so important to be there he had someone climb a tree to get reception! Would you have done that?
-Kerry hanging in there when all the questions were coming in fast and furious - she was doing her best to get all the 'right' questions out there
-David being so busy in his life took time out to support this un-known
What that says to me was here are leaders who believe in what they say and back it up with their actions; the whole video was about coming together as a community and help each other. This is what these people did- They knew they were going to be attacked and ridiculed, what they were trying to get across what- let's put those differences aside, sure be wary, but let's come together and give each other hope instead of more fear porn!!!
Do you think David feels fear, does Kerry feel fear, what about Bill, does he feel fear? WHO KNOWS!!! Are they receiving the positive energy they need from us to keep going to put forth more positive messages?!!!! Ug.
Negative people are everywhere. I come here for news, entertainment, and positivity. What about you?

Free Bird
27th January 2012, 16:02
Forget he can't answer simple questions quickly and looks to the right creating **** rather than remembering reality.

That was the first thing which struck me when I watched it and the other give away was the coughing - some people when they lie can't help themselves and cough uncontrollably ... it's a mechanism the subconscious uses to try and hide/mask the lie.

Peace and Love
-x-

Tarka the Duck
27th January 2012, 16:08
Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi.

He provides no source whatsoever.

Then the next obvious course of action would be for you to ask Don Shipley himself.......yes?

Well did you? Did anybody? I just did so, I'm curious what he comes up with.

Please see post 255...I have been in contact with both Don, and Mary and Chuck of POWnetwork.



Out of curiosity, I sent an email to Don Shipley, the ex Navy SEAL who wrote the letter in post 187, maintaining that Bill "Wood" was never a SEAL.

I wanted to hear from the horse's mouth...and I have just received this reply from him. Make of it what you will.


> Follow this one VERY CLOSE, Kathie... It's going to get ugly for Bill...Don


I've just got home from work, and after reading those comments from Facebook, and realising how angry this has made some people out there, I hope BW is safe... Seriously. I wouldn't want disgruntled SEALS after me...

cowens66
27th January 2012, 16:10
[QUOTE=taizen;412658]Why are people trying so hard to follow the smallest of details and prove or disprove something insignificant to the big picture? ...QUOTE]

Thank you so much taizen. You did a stellar job of explaining just what I was trying to express. Wow!

I wonder if Bill has been able to contact the cable repair guy to let him know what it meant for him to have that access at that time?

What do you feel is a good way to remind ourselves of the fact that we each create our own reality and that of the collective on a day by day, minute by minute basis?

Someone in this thread, seems like days ago but just yesterday posted a Gregg Braden video that was a helpful reminder to me and lately I have felt that I needed reminding.

Thank you again!! :hail::cheer2:

Be Well, Cowens

christian
27th January 2012, 16:17
Alright I found Don Shipley's comment that has been quoted by Khaleesi.

He provides no source whatsoever.

Please see post 255...I have been in contact with both Don, and Mary and Chuck of POWnetwork.

That previous mail exchange you refer to with Don was about him not being able to confirm that Bill Wood was in a SEAL team, which would be just logical, if Bill's testimony is true, that he was in SEAL team 9, which is apparently secret.

The mail exchange was not about the claim Don made on facebook, that Bill had sex with a twelve year old.

BTW:

At about 12 minutes in the conference Bill Wood claims, that a prominent ex SEAL is virtually in charge of a prostitution and drug dealing ring in Las Vegas. He says he does not want to disclose this man's identity, as long as he is left alone, so this is Bill's ace in the hole. - Makes one wonder who this prominent ex SEAL could be, if Bill is honest about this.

Kerry allegedly got confirming documentation from Bill Wood, so she must have seen this prominent SEAL on the "juicy pictures". This would explain lots of the heat Bill, PC and PA are getting.

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 16:26
Why are people trying so hard to follow the smallest of details and prove or disprove something insignificant to the big picture?

How is this guy saying after he disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon, they entrusted him with MORE million dollar weapons a MINOR discrepancy? I would call that a MAJOR discrepancy and brings his whole story under suspicion. It takes a HUGE leap of faith to trust him after this statement.

000
27th January 2012, 16:32
[...] Hopefully, after digesting the info, it was a reiteration/confirmation of what people already know. How many times do we get caught up in the details in life and forget the big picture? Is your life goal about debunking people? Is this fun for you? Is it constructive and positive? How can we turn the negative around and become positive? Dream the 'impossible' dream, become a kid again. [...]

Very well said taizen :) I notice the debunking crew come out most often when something challenges their perception of 'reality' so heavily that to them 'it cannot be true', not necessarily that there are facts that they can back up their claims with. Often there are but they are highly biased and suited to their immediate need to debunk, as indicated by the tension displayed in their written syntax.

Relying on things like body language is also not going to say much because it is not foolproof and is only a *potential* indicator of what the individual is feeling and doing at best.

I have watched this thread unfold, and other like it, for instance the David Wilcock / Benjamin Fulford threads of a couple months ago and more severely, the Charles threads from last year which ended up causing a divide which saw members leave this forum and create their own. All of that because of heavy biases which they preferred to hold on to rather than let go of. That is highly unlikely to happen again, I feel, as the energy from the Charles situation was at a peak back then that this does not begin to reach, which is a good thing.

In any case, the debunkers shall debunk, they well get fed up and they will eventually leave when something does not go their way. That seems to be the pattern that emerges each time.

It doesn't matter though because this shift is indeed happening, and it doesn't matter if that news comes from David Wilcock, from Bill Wood, or from your local gas station clerk. They would all be correct. There is not *anything* anyone could do now to put a halt to this shift. You can see it growing through the Occupy movement and the movements in the Middle East from which they sprang. It is very much something that is people powered although there is something which defies description in mere words which has nudged this whole set of energies to *pop* and breach the surface as they have done. Essentially, now, the more people who awaken themselves through critical thinking + intuition, the more coherent and strengthened this shift becomes. This is irreversible. Once there is so much momentum behind something it shall just keep going until it reaches a state in which it can comfortably come to rest. That comfortable state of rest to be reached in this case it total global freedom via people taking responsibility for themselves and having compassion for each other. No one should even take my word for it. Just watch and live your lives :) It is so much bigger than words on a forum and it is unstoppable.

So go ahead debunkers, do all the damage you wish, it shall not cause more than the tinniest of ripples in the larger scheme of things. Signal is king in a sea of noise.

Tony
27th January 2012, 16:34
Unfortunately finding the truth entails taking everything apart.
From what I hear the SEALS are pretty angry about 'Bill Woods'.

sleepy
27th January 2012, 16:35
xxxx xxxxx

ljwheat
27th January 2012, 16:36
I’m reminded of not so long ago, our minute men of the day were being taken over. (moles) or OWS cops dressing up as joe blow OWS’ers ( Moles.) settler’s dressing up as Indians, under cover (moles) co-opting covertly as possible to do what?

If your catching flack on a bombing run, your close to the target. Pitch forks and torch carriers have always followed some one or something. When you look around for the source that started this house burning some how no one knows just who lit the first torch?

Lets back engineer this thread and find who instigated this trash fest, uncover the co-opting (mole) that wants. What? To whom, and tare the (mole) a new A++ hole. How’s the cowboy dressed as a Indian? And how did he/she get our attention so off track?

And where are the moderator’s ? lets put the torches out and start tapping each other on the shoulder, who’s leading this crap and back ground that individual ?

Namaste john XXX :grouphug:

Ilie Pandia
27th January 2012, 16:36
I am still neutral on the Bill Wood's credentials, but all the information I've seen here against him, could have been easily fabricated.

Let's assume for a moment that he is what he says he is... do you really expect to find on Google confirmation of his credentials?! If he is who he says he is, what would a "character assassination" operation would look like? Hm?

As for stealing "the SEAL's valor"... what valor? As a non-US human what some may call valor I would call something else... Perhaps comming out as whistle blower has more valor that keeping to the "SEAL's code" and killing other people at some politician's orders?

I understanding digging up the "dirt", checking up the facts, building a case and looking for evidence. What I don't understand is the emotional response to all of this and the need to defend a point of view or the other.

Yes he may be fraud, but yes he may also be "for real" as it were. So far I've seen no "proof" (only copy pasted text) for both point of views.

If we assume that indeed there are black ops, that there is shadow government, then missions that don't live a paper trail that you can simply Google up is not really a stretch. Of course the same argument can be used by me to claim I am a secret agent so you won't find anything on me... I get that too.

So it's a bit of catch 22 here, and I believe that Google is not really the tool to sort out this matter.

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 16:42
Do you think David feels fear, does Kerry feel fear, what about Bill, does he feel fear? WHO KNOWS!!!

I think that it is safe to say that David feels fear after the torture threat incident.

I did find out one little tidbit where BW/Brockbrader was telling the truth. The sex offender registry list his offense as 99.99m. That is an offense for military members who were convicted in military, but not civilian courts.

SO...he was in the military, and was convicted of a sex offense by a military court, and was not convicted by a civilian court.. There you have it, we can stop arguing about whether or not he told the truth about anything.

Kimberley
27th January 2012, 16:48
Why are people trying so hard to follow the smallest of details and prove or disprove something insignificant to the big picture? ... let's come together and give each other hope instead of more fear porn!!!

Thank you Taizen!! I was going to write something but now I do not have to as you did a perfect job!!

For the record I loved the Bill Wood BR KC DW interview! So full of positive confirmations of information I know personally. I say congratulations we have been able to eliminate a lot of dark potentials that were in the time line going back as early as 5 years ago... Keep up the great work my brothers and sisters...

And for those of you that are throwing barbs, stones, daggers, and venom at Bill Wood I am here to remind you of a universal truth (whether you believe it or not)

What you reap is what you sow!

Much love to us all always in all ways!!

ROMANWKT
27th January 2012, 16:50
I am still neutral on the Bill Wood's credentials, but all the information I've seen here against him, could have been easily fabricated.

Let's assume for a moment that he is what he says he is... do you really expect to find on Google confirmation of his credentials?! If he is who he says he is, what would a "character assassination" operation would look like? Hm?

As for stealing "the SEAL's valor"... what valor? As a non-US human what some may call valor I would call something else... Perhaps comming out as whistle blower has more valor that keeping to the "SEAL's code" and killing other people at some politician's orders?

I understanding digging up the "dirt", checking up the facts, building a case and looking for evidence. What I don't understand is the emotional response to all of this and the need to defend a point of view or the other.

Yes he may be fraud, but yes he may also be "for real" as it were. So far I've seen no "proof" (only copy pasted text) for both point of views.

If we assume that indeed there are black ops, that there is shadow government, then missions that don't live a paper trail that you can simply Google up is not really a stretch. Of course the same argument can be used by me to claim I am a secret agent so you won't find anything on me... I get that too.

So it's a bit of catch 22 here, and I believe that Google is not really the tool to sort out this matter.

Thank you for that Ilie, somebody sensible at last, and you just reminded me that if ever I need a RENT A MOB, I will know exactly where to come.

regards to you Ilie as always
roman

mountain_jim
27th January 2012, 16:52
Why are people trying so hard to follow the smallest of details and prove or disprove something insignificant to the big picture? ... let's come together and give each other hope instead of more fear porn!!!

Thank you Taizen!! I was going to write something but now I do not have to as you did a perfect job!!

For the record I loved the Bill Wood BR KC DW interview! So full of positive confirmations of information I know personally. I say congratulations we have been able to eliminate a lot of dark potentials that were in the time line going back as early as 5 years ago... Keep up the great work my brothers and sisters...

And for those of you that are throwing barbs, stones, daggers, and venom at Bill Wood I am here to remind you of a universal truth (whether you believe it or not)

What you reap is what you sow!

....

Or as Robert Hunter, lyricist for the Grateful Dead (poetically) had it in the song, Franklin's Tower:


Whichever way your pleasure tends
if you plant ice you're gonna harvest wind

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 16:58
At last there are some sensible comments comming forth............At present he is a 'whistle blower' putting his neck on the line in front of the camera.....

http://reinep.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/bill_ryan_project_avalon.png

Not a back of the head shot or in darkness or a voice on the end of a phone....we must give him credit for that....

He must have known it would be only a matter of time before someone reconised him for good or bad...

So what are his motives ???

BestLion
27th January 2012, 16:59
SO...he was in the military, and was convicted of a sex offense by a military court, and was not convicted by a civilian court.. There you have it, we can stop arguing about whether or not he told the truth about anything.
It seems he was in the navy but in the 1990s "not what he claims in 2008 time" He got court martialed and ended up in ft Leavenworth. The claim of his seal experience is bogus, and so is his time frame he never was in Iraqi Freedom opp etc...now that puts us..
I was a Unit Administrator for the US Army full time for 7 years. i worked with orders DD214 forms, I processed new soldier and also kicked out soldiers who were busted for drugs etc.. i was responsible for the paperwork. i worked for a US Army reserve battalion as a full time civilian a GS-07 which is called 'dual status" meant I had to be a member of the army reserve in order to keep my civilian job. If a soldier was convicted of a court martial he received a dis honorable discharge and would no be re-instated back to the armed forces.That means his own story has him busted! He said he was convicted of the rape..this means they in the military sent him to a tribunal , and he was found guilt..this would entail a court martial, and a dishonorable discharge. He would NEVER had made a seal team "which need a top security clearance. He would not have even been reinstated to the armed forces. He would have been demoted, and black lined. That means after his conviction even if he tried to be a seal he would have never been accepted! Heck he wouldn't have even been reinstated to the Navy!
BTW The seals reject something like 80% of people who apply. A man with any 'black' on his record would have been rejected ASAP.

aranuk
27th January 2012, 17:02
.

how about this for a good idea.....those who want to continue speculating, continue speculating...and those who don't want to...don't.

simple



.

Yes absolutely. Let's just keep on speculating, I think it is healthy. If some people agree to stop then that is their choice. Simple. Concentrate on other things. Leave us alone here to do our thang.

Stan

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 17:08
I think you mean 'thing' Stan.....Though depending on your accent 'thang' will do...lol...

goinghome2012
27th January 2012, 17:11
the big picture is omega point approaching and the immersion into 4th dimension reality, it is called the Shift of the Ages. Dec 21, 2012 to March 23, 2013

This happens every 26,000 years. David and Bill know what is coming. We all do deep inside, it will be wonderful. embrace it. There is nothing to fear.

peace

Kyra
27th January 2012, 17:12
Kerry personally urged me, very strongly, to read Sean's new book -- the testimony of a recently deceased Montauk Project whistleblower disguised as fiction.

I am aware--as many of you are--that the powers that were control the publishing industry. Therefore many authors are forced to publish factual accounts as works of fiction.

Case in point: When I first read Mutant Message Downunder--the amazing story of one woman's account with one of the last existing aboriginal tribes--it was self-published as non-fiction. It was so wildly popular that the mainstream press approached the author and offered to publish it in order to give her worldwide distribution, and maybe even best-seller status, but with a caveat.

They stipulated that it must be published as fiction, and the reason they gave to the author was that the industry-standard critical reviews would decimate the book and largely prevent its distribution, whereas a label as fiction would elicit good reviews as a highly imaginative work from an emerging author.


Sales exploded, and the little self-published book sold over 370,000 copies. It attracted the attention of HarperCollins who issued a 250,000-copy printing of the book in 1994. Mutant Message Down Under spent 31 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list. Eventually HarperCollins would go on to sell almost a million copies of the book.

I heard this story directly from the author herself, who said that is just how the game is played in the publishing world. She had to trust that people reading the book would read between the lines and somehow understand that this was a true account of her life.

I'm sure many of us have read fictional books that resonated with truth for us.

More evidence of how truth is tightly controlled on this planet.

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 17:13
I am still neutral on the Bill Wood's credentials, but all the information I've seen here against him, could have been easily fabricated.

So it's a bit of catch 22 here, and I believe that Google is not really the tool to sort out this matter.

That's why the follow up by the likes of Don Shipley is so valuable, or a FOIA request. I am pretty good friends with a coworker who spent 24 years in the Navy on submarines. He has a DD-214 and his record shows that he was assigned to x/y/z commands, but nothing of what any of his missions were. Ditto for another friend who was an Army ranger. He took part in operations that are still classified and not officially acknowledged, but there is a record of his military service.

Digging up the truth on a witness/whistleblower like Neal Brockbrader is so incredibly important because it affects the perception and success of the entire disclosure movement. If we did not attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff, the entire movement would have no credibility at all. There has already been far too many disinfo agents that have muddied the waters over the years. This is verifiable and even admitted by the government.

A classic example is when a test pilot for a then classified early jet fighter put on a gorilla mask so that when someone tried to report a propellerless aircraft moving at high speeds and being piloted by a gorilla...everyone laughed and the secret was safe. The same holds true for UFO reports that were really the A-12 Oxcart / SR-71 Blackbird. You had genuinely concerned radar operators and pilots describing sightings of an aircraft that conventional wisdom said could not exist. "There is no such thing as a Mach2+ plane that flyies above 75,000 feet. You are mistaken and your equipment needs to be calibrated and you need to take a recertification." Pretty soon, honest people quit making reports.

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.

Carmody
27th January 2012, 17:35
I am still neutral on the Bill Wood's credentials, but all the information I've seen here against him, could have been easily fabricated.

So it's a bit of catch 22 here, and I believe that Google is not really the tool to sort out this matter.

That's why the follow up by the likes of Don Shipley is so valuable, or a FOIA request. I am pretty good friends with a coworker who spent 24 years in the Navy on submarines. He has a DD-214 and his record shows that he was assigned to x/y/z commands, but nothing of what any of his missions were. Ditto for another friend who was an Army ranger. He took part in operations that are still classified and not officially acknowledged, but there is a record of his military service.

Digging up the truth on a witness/whistleblower like Neal Brockbrader is so incredibly important because it affects the perception and success of the entire disclosure movement. If we did not attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff, the entire movement would have no credibility at all. There has already been far too many disinfo agents that have muddied the waters over the years. This is verifiable and even admitted by the government.

A classic example is when a test pilot for a then classified early jet fighter put on a gorilla mask so that when someone tried to report a propellerless aircraft moving at high speeds and being piloted by a gorilla...everyone laughed and the secret was safe. The same holds true for UFO reports that were really the A-12 Oxcart / SR-71 Blackbird. You had genuinely concerned radar operators and pilots describing sightings of an aircraft that conventional wisdom said could not exist. "There is no such thing as a Mach2+ plane that flyies above 75,000 feet. You are mistaken and your equipment needs to be calibrated and you need to take a recertification." Pretty soon, honest people quit making reports.

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.

A general note for everyone, regarding my experiences and ruminations in this area of thinking and influence at any level of connection:

You, as a single human being, will never be allowed to define a point that causes the world to 'flip' about any axis, any axis that is via your creation or direct influence.

It really is that simple. :)

BestLion
27th January 2012, 17:41
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 17:43
I have no problems with what some of you are trying to do and I'm sure your motives are protective of the community,,,
and if you are all right i congratulate your efforts.....But it is comming over to me as a 'lynch mob' lets cool down and let the 'Marshall' arrive and
the 'posse' can stand down for a while...........Theres no need for the credibility of Camelot or Avalon to be put on the line over this, he is only
a potencial 'whistleblower' he has not given us any revelations that are not already out there, just possibly able to tie one or two together...

gf3CcZUpXRo

Kimberley
27th January 2012, 17:45
Essentially, now, the more people who awaken themselves through critical thinking + intuition, the more coherent and strengthened this shift becomes. This is irreversible. Once there is so much momentum behind something it shall just keep going until it reaches a state in which it can comfortably come to rest. That comfortable state of rest to be reached in this case it total global freedom via people taking responsibility for themselves and having compassion for each other. No one should even take my word for it. Just watch and live your lives :) It is so much bigger than words on a forum and it is unstoppable.

So go ahead debunkers, do all the damage you wish, it shall not cause more than the tinniest of ripples in the larger scheme of things. Signal is king in a sea of noise.


000 Great post thank you!! There is no stopping the run away train!! Congratulations!!

winston smith1971
27th January 2012, 17:46
Great interview i'm 2hrs in and the question of reality and 'us' individual human creators ....creating everything in the universe and our non physical is much
larger than our physical....we have no idea of time or physics.... parrallel worlds , portals , wormholes are all open.....
All this and much, much more is in the Ion material which he has been disclosing for the last two years....

The secret as far as can I see , is as simple as we are all gods !!!!!

No Mr..Big out there somewhere it is in us all !!!! and due to the 'digit meme' we are
becoming aware of this and able to access knowledge already in everyone......

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On the cautious side, its still early and he has deffinateley got David in his 'keep net'
hook,line and sinker......With the recent threat on David and some of his claims of late
it does look like Bill is to good to be true !!!!

But Hey ....Lets stay 'Buzzing' for the momment and see what happens and it has
given me a infusion of ' Disclosure energy '.........

Also I think Ion is back on cashflow live tonight 7.00pm GMT....11am PT...
http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/

Should be fun......

(Oh and the lazer crumbling concrete 9/11 anyone !!)per judy wood...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Weapons/trw.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Weaponizaton_of_Space.html

Getting carried away now...LOL....Steve

Well spotted Steve 9/11 laser?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w-ql8msl0U

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 17:48
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

One point of clarification, I do not believe that BW ever said that he was in the SEALs in the 2000's. He said that he was court martialled in the 90's while already a SEAL and was released on his 10 year anniversary date of enlistment.

winston smith1971
27th January 2012, 17:50
He could be a billy bull S*** but we will find out soon both he and David Wilcock state EVENTS will happen long before Dec21st 2012 that show us the nature of reality and Quote" will make disclosure such a miniscule thing compared with these events" So lets hold judgement and see what we shall see. I find it comforting that various people seem to be coming to the same conclusion that we live in a digital reality and love is the only thing that matters, i do find this a struggle when some idiot cuts you up when driving but i am trying my hardest to live by this concept even faced with the unarmed combatants in a battle of wits.;)

DreamsInDigital
27th January 2012, 17:52
Also wasn't he intimating that the charges of rape/felony were false and he was framed? Or was I literally the only one that caught that little important part of the information he put out.

BestLion
27th January 2012, 17:59
Also wasn't he intimating that the charges of rape/felony were false and he was framed? Or was I literally the only one that caught that little important part of the information he put out.
All convicted felons claim they are innocent. I had a friend when i was in the Army he was a security guard at a max security prison. He would say even the murderers rapist, child molesters all say they were framed. They would swear on the Bible or on the tomb of their dead grandmother that they were innocent.
The fact of BW is he was convicted. And what appears to have been sexual rape of a 12 year old 7th grade school girl.

winston smith1971
27th January 2012, 17:59
Also wasn't he intimating that the charges of rape/felony were false and he was framed? Or was I literally the only one that caught that little important part of the information he put out.
Yes that is what he stated. I even think that the state it happened in now has a age 16 age of consent.If he is pucker then obviously his SEAL training allowed him not to go completely Tonto when they pumped him full of psychotropic drugs , i feel the average person would have never of recovered. oh and by the way i believe the age of consent in Vatican city is 12...

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 18:01
Thanks Robbie great vid , thats the laser technology they are putting in the public domain.......Immagine what are on the orbiting platform !!
BW said they had the power to cumble concrete ala Judy Wood......(Of course he could have read Judy Wood and made up the rest....)
But when John lear was talking about it years ago and the Star Wars programme was started in the seventies, it is logical to me there is
some awsome kit orbiting up there.....

winston smith1971
27th January 2012, 18:01
Also wasn't he intimating that the charges of rape/felony were false and he was framed? Or was I literally the only one that caught that little important part of the information he put out.
All convicted felons claim they are innocent. I had a friend when i was in the Army he was a security guard at a max security prison. He would say even the murderers rapist, child molesters all say they were framed. They would swear on the Bible or on the tomb of their dead grandmother that they were innocent.
The fact of BW is he was convicted. And what appears to have been sexual rape of a 12 year old 7th grade school girl.
Can you please post some facts/information to back up your statement?

crested-duck
27th January 2012, 18:01
I logged on today with a feeling of apprehensiveness , after posting negative comments on this thread yesterday about Bill Ryan and Inelia, as well as BW. As I laid in bed last night ,the thought that if I were to be banned, then it would instantly prove to all my comments are very much valid and truthfull. All I have to say about this thread at this point is: Fool me once, and shame on you-Fool me twice and shame on me ! Now onward to some other threads worthy of my time and interest!

BestLion
27th January 2012, 18:06
Map of the age of consent>

DreamsInDigital
27th January 2012, 18:12
You guys are also missing the point that this is very common practice of CIA/ Shaddow Government, etc. Used to attempt at discrediting those that they can not silence yet don't want to kill. They will "frame" people for all sorts of things. Or Institutionalize them for a few years, then release them. Then because they were "institutionalized" no one will ultimately believe what they are saying, even when they are telling the truth. But, I suppose most seem to overlook this. And, really. Who's to say he wasn't framed? What proof does anyone have that he wasn't "set up" by the government just trying to discredit him because his truths were causing so much real information to be released to the public that aren't supposed to ultimately know what's REALLY going on?

Plus remember he said he was "released" on the same day he would have been had he not been guilty in the first place? Or we forgetting that fact as well.

Kimberley
27th January 2012, 18:12
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

If this is helpful:

Kerry personally urged me, very strongly, to read Sean's new book -- the testimony of a recently deceased Montauk Project whistleblower disguised as fiction.

Sean's personality is not the point: what may be important here (and I have not yet read the book) is the testimony it apparently contains.



Had to add my 2 cents to this... Sean's Book "Sands of Time" is fabulous!! I read it July 2011, I couldn't put it down, all 550 pages with small print :-).

It is not "disguised as fiction". And I agree with Bill that "Sean's personality is not the point" :-) (and I know first hand because Sean is a personal friend of mine too)

The testimony it contains pulled so very many pieces of the puzzle together in one place, unlike anything I have come across. And this book certainly adds a lot of support for the Bill Wood information. I recommend "Sands of Time" very highly to all that are reading this thread!

I will be interviewing Sean specifically about the book very soon.

SANDS OF TIME

(Book I in The Tempus Fugit Chronicles)

by Sean David Morton

Federal Copyright Registration © TXu 1-757-905 Effective Date: May 31, 2011

An epic story spanning over forty years in the life of Dr. Ted Humphrey and his involvement with Area 51, The Dulce Mesa Wars, The Montauk Project, Black Ops, The Shadow Government, and his meteoric rise to become head of an all powerful global organization engaged in a desperate and above top secret race against time to save our world.

Beginning at the age of 17 when his father, a brilliant scientist with a mysterious past, disappears. Ted makes it his life's quest to discover his father's fate. This leads to him being drafted into a series of high-level government projects working on the most valuable piece of research equipment ever built...a machine that can move objects through SPACE and TIME.

As Time Technology is developed, Ted is inexorably drawn into a world-wide web of mystery, intrigue, disinformation and power. He is taken inside an elite, clandestine group of men dedicated to hiding the truth from everyone outside a small tight-knit cabal of politicians, scientists and spooks; that forces from beyond the stars could lead to Earth's destruction at some point after the galactic alignments of 2012.

In a world where one mistake could be your last, Ted gets guidance from people further down and outside of the time stream, never knowing who he can trust, while still seeking to solve his father's disappearance.

SANDS OF TIME is truly remarkable. A rare and precious look behind the curtain of Covert Ops into the Black World of super-technology with enough hard science to convince even the most cynical skeptic. It solves so many of the mysteries that have baffled researchers since the Roswell crash in 1947, and shows us, once again, that all we have come to accept as reality, is wrong. Read this book and NEVER BE THE SAME!

http://www.strangeuniverseradio.com/

aranuk
27th January 2012, 18:13
I think you mean 'thing' Stan.....Though depending on your accent 'thang' will do...lol...

Steve I meant it thataway buddy, you of ol peeple pool mee up fir a spelin mistook eh? Grate!

Stan

jackovesk
27th January 2012, 18:15
Replies: 443 & Views: 24,592 so far...

Go Figure..?

Have you all worked it out yet..?

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 18:25
Sorry Stan as soon as I wrote it I realised..LOL......'Ooh R , Ee B rite ey tink'........( O yes he is right I think ).....Steve......(Tawt is thought).... A bit of nonsence for you...


A great clip from 'Hot Fuzz'.....filmed in & around Wells ..Somerset..

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One for you Stan...this is a posh Glasgow accent,
Kevin Bridges very funny up and coming comedian...

wdsuShabEx8

How did I get off topic..LOL...

aranuk
27th January 2012, 18:42
Sorry Stan as soon as I wrote it I realised..LOL......'Ooh R , Ee B rite ey tink'........( O yes he is right I think ).....Steve......(Taught is thought).... A bit of nonsence for you...

I love it! Quote from Mark Twain: I don't care a damn about a man that can only spell something one way!

Stan

sleepy
27th January 2012, 18:43
xxxxx xxxxxx

modwiz
27th January 2012, 18:46
I see Kerry is promoting Sean David Morton's new book. There is something very 'off' about that critter. I am not the only one who sees it. I guess she needs to play with the approved guest list.

She has to know better. Her credibility has grown recently, I feel bad she might be stuck playing the Awake and Aware game.

His last interview with Fulford was a mockery of a sincere interviewing style. He sought after sensational and lurid details. So MSM in style. He also acted the fool at the last A&A tour/show?

If this is helpful:

Kerry personally urged me, very strongly, to read Sean's new book -- the testimony of a recently deceased Montauk Project whistleblower disguised as fiction.

Sean's personality is not the point: what may be important here (and I have not yet read the book) is the testimony it apparently contains.



Had to add my 2 cents to this... Sean's Book "Sands of Time" is fabulous!! I read it July 2011, I couldn't put it down, all 550 pages with small print :-).

It is not "disguised as fiction". And I agree with Bill that "Sean's personality is not the point" :-) (and I know first hand because Sean is a personal friend of mine too)

The testimony it contains pulled so very many pieces of the puzzle together in one place, unlike anything I have come across. And this book certainly adds a lot of support for the Bill Wood information. I recommend "Sands of Time" very highly to all that are reading this thread!

I will be interviewing Sean specifically about the book very soon.

SANDS OF TIME

(Book I in The Tempus Fugit Chronicles)

by Sean David Morton

Federal Copyright Registration © TXu 1-757-905 Effective Date: May 31, 2011

An epic story spanning over forty years in the life of Dr. Ted Humphrey and his involvement with Area 51, The Dulce Mesa Wars, The Montauk Project, Black Ops, The Shadow Government, and his meteoric rise to become head of an all powerful global organization engaged in a desperate and above top secret race against time to save our world.

Beginning at the age of 17 when his father, a brilliant scientist with a mysterious past, disappears. Ted makes it his life's quest to discover his father's fate. This leads to him being drafted into a series of high-level government projects working on the most valuable piece of research equipment ever built...a machine that can move objects through SPACE and TIME.

As Time Technology is developed, Ted is inexorably drawn into a world-wide web of mystery, intrigue, disinformation and power. He is taken inside an elite, clandestine group of men dedicated to hiding the truth from everyone outside a small tight-knit cabal of politicians, scientists and spooks; that forces from beyond the stars could lead to Earth's destruction at some point after the galactic alignments of 2012.

In a world where one mistake could be your last, Ted gets guidance from people further down and outside of the time stream, never knowing who he can trust, while still seeking to solve his father's disappearance.

SANDS OF TIME is truly remarkable. A rare and precious look behind the curtain of Covert Ops into the Black World of super-technology with enough hard science to convince even the most cynical skeptic. It solves so many of the mysteries that have baffled researchers since the Roswell crash in 1947, and shows us, once again, that all we have come to accept as reality, is wrong. Read this book and NEVER BE THE SAME!

http://www.strangeuniverseradio.com/

I get it! Mouth zipped. My apologies for speaking ill of a friend.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 18:53
Map of the age of consent>

Oh my god i already told you that he corrected himself in the interview about the age of consent thing. I wish you guys would just let this one play out. He can' t PROVE to you that he is legit and you can't PROVE to us that he is not because you can't prove a negative. Let it go. It's a stalemate. We'll see what happens in the coming months and hopefully we'll get some more information that will help us make up our minds about his credibility.

aranuk
27th January 2012, 18:57
So where are we after all this huffin' an' puffin' eh? I know I liked the interview. That was my first impression. All the ex soldiers of lower ranks seem to think that they are in the "Know" about what happens in the military. We all whether ex military or not will have not a scooby what goes on in the military at the highest levels with generals, admirals, and the like. They get up to so much mischief and murder and genocide that we will never believe what they get up to. Remember Bill Ryan's interview with the guy in London of them speaking callously about reducing the population of the planet and giving the Chinese a cold sort of talk? Falcifying documents? Child's play. BestLion and Target most likely do know what goes on and should go on at certain levels which are not above top secret but they cannot know everything that the generals get up to at the top. Especially the black ops stuff.

Stan

Carmody
27th January 2012, 19:01
I logged on today with a feeling of apprehensiveness , after posting negative comments on this thread yesterday about Bill Ryan and Inelia, as well as BW. As I laid in bed last night ,the thought that if I were to be banned, then it would instantly prove to all my comments are very much valid and truthfull. All I have to say about this thread at this point is: Fool me once, and shame on you-Fool me twice and shame on me ! Now onward to some other threads worthy of my time and interest!

Actually it MAY have only shown that you cannot communicate with a mental state that is clear of emotional interference. It would prove nothing beyond that.

Be aware...I have not read the specific points that you contributed. However, if one lives in a negative state, then their comments tend to be similar to yours above.

modwiz
27th January 2012, 19:01
Map of the age of consent>

Oh my god i already told you that he corrected himself in the interview about the age of consent thing. I wish you guys would just let this one play out. He can' t PROVE to you that he is legit and you can't PROVE to us that he is not because you can't prove a negative. Let it go. It's a stalemate. We'll see what happens in the coming months and hopefully we'll get some more information that will help us make up our minds about his credibility.

Yes. Talk about distraction and getting off of the subject, which I thought was time lines. The information is either of some value or not. Discussing his personal life has nothing to do with us other than our emotional triggers. When will a better future manifest? When we focus on what we want and not what another has done. Now, if he was making funny faces to distract us while David or Bill was speaking, we might have something to say about his character, it would have affected the quality of our experience.

However, my reply is not towards Best Lion who I thought provided a useful map to get a bigger picture of things and to maybe quell some of the reactions here.

Tommy
27th January 2012, 19:08
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 19:16
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

Tommy
27th January 2012, 19:19
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

Sorry, it was for BestLion :)

Sandra
27th January 2012, 19:21
you were sent an angel in the form of an Ecuadorian internet technician and how glad am I! well done to him and everyone who made this possible.

thankyou

BestLion
27th January 2012, 19:22
??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?
Possible we are now both on the payroll. She probably also says Don is on that same payroll..and others who have exposed BW.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..
Seriously?
Who are we then ? Aliens?> maybe Annunakis? Maybe reptilians?

winston smith1971
27th January 2012, 19:24
MTHEL (THEL) - Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser
this was tested 2000, imagine what damage it or similar could do to a couple of towers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ&feature=related

Navy Laser Weapon System (LaWS) PR Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqLkpcHavZE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqLkpcHavZE&feature=related

Tommy
27th January 2012, 19:27
??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?
Possible we are now both on the payroll. She probably also says Don is on that same payroll..and others who have exposed BW.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..
Seriously?
Who are we then ? Aliens?> maybe Annunakis? Maybe reptilians?

So what are you doing here if you are only insisting of the version of a know public government paid NAVY seal? Do you really believe a low level SEAL (as he is compared to black projects) to the point where you try to ridicule a witness? Don't try to laugh this off or get people off track, answer me clearly for every one to see. Also, "Don" or whomever really using his name as cover has not presented a public testimony about this. Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

You can't fool everybody, certainly not on this forum...

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 19:30
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

who has the website with the donate button and keeps asking people to click on it?

Tommy
27th January 2012, 19:31
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

who has the website with the donate button and keeps asking people to click on it?

Whom is forcing you to push that button?

Don't try this BS

Hummingbird
27th January 2012, 19:32
Also wasn't he intimating that the charges of rape/felony were false and he was framed? Or was I literally the only one that caught that little important part of the information he put out.
All convicted felons claim they are innocent. I had a friend when i was in the Army he was a security guard at a max security prison. He would say even the murderers rapist, child molesters all say they were framed. They would swear on the Bible or on the tomb of their dead grandmother that they were innocent.
The fact of BW is he was convicted. And what appears to have been sexual rape of a 12 year old 7th grade school girl.

How many times are you going to make false claims.. provide the source for the girl being 12!! And rape and consensual sex are two different things.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 19:34
so...he was in the military, and was convicted of a sex offense by a military court, and was not convicted by a civilian court.. There you have it, we can stop arguing about whether or not he told the truth about anything.
it seems he was in the navy but in the 1990s "not what he claims in 2008 time" he got court martialed and ended up in ft leavenworth. The claim of his seal experience is bogus, and so is his time frame he never was in iraqi freedom opp etc...now that puts us..
I was a unit administrator for the us army full time for 7 years. I worked with orders dd214 forms, i processed new soldier and also kicked out soldiers who were busted for drugs etc.. I was responsible for the paperwork. I worked for a us army reserve battalion as a full time civilian a gs-07 which is called 'dual status" meant i had to be a member of the army reserve in order to keep my civilian job. If a soldier was convicted of a court martial he received a dis honorable discharge and would no be re-instated back to the armed forces.that means his own story has him busted! he said he was convicted of the rape..this means they in the military sent him to a tribunal , and he was found guilt..this would entail a court martial, and a dishonorable discharge. He would never had made a seal team "which need a top security clearance. he would not have even been reinstated to the armed forces. he would have been demoted, and black lined. That means after his conviction even if he tried to be a seal he would have never been accepted! Heck he wouldn't have even been reinstated to the navy!
Btw the seals reject something like 80% of people who apply. A man with any 'black' on his record would have been rejected asap.

OH MY GOD! DUDE! You are missing the whole entire POINT! Just because you were in the army for 7 years and you think you "KNOW" about how the navy seals operate doesn't mean you know how bw's specific alleged secret team works! We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team? Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!! Are you really claiming that you know exactly how the shadow government and it's secret team military operatives conduct themselves???? YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD. The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative. But i don't think you are. I just think you are confused and naive about how our government and military work in secret.

:confused:

Update:

Haha I took a lesson from jackovesck on that one! Red type helps get the point across. Word to you Jack! :cool:

BestLion
27th January 2012, 19:37
So what are you doing here if you are only insisting of the version of a know public government paid NAVY seal? Do you really believe a low level SEAL (as he is compared to black projects) to the point where you try to ridicule a witness? Don't try to laugh this off or get people off track, answer me clearly for every one to see. Also, "Don" or whomever really using his name as cover has not presented a public testimony about this. Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

You can't fool everybody, certainly not on this forum...
What a second don't be signaling me out and accusing me of being some shill. I aint the only one who posted info against this guy about 10 other posters also have also, and 100s of people on facebook, forums and other sites.

Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?
So i guess you think all soldiers, former soldiers, former government workers are on the payroll hey? Well thats something like 30 million Americans right there. Don is a veteran and a former Navy Seal..I highly doubt he is jumping on forums to do psychological-op.
Calm down go have a cup of tea and chill out!

¤=[Post Update]=¤


How many times are you going to make false claims.. provide the source for the girl being 12!! And rape and consensual sex are two different things.
I said 'suppose" I didnt say 100%..I said it is on some forums and has been posted here. And it is called rape.. called statutory rape. A form of rape.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 19:39
So what are you doing here if you are only insisting of the version of a know public government paid NAVY seal? Do you really believe a low level SEAL (as he is compared to black projects) to the point where you try to ridicule a witness? Don't try to laugh this off or get people off track, answer me clearly for every one to see. Also, "Don" or whomever really using his name as cover has not presented a public testimony about this. Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

You can't fool everybody, certainly not on this forum...
What a second don't be signaling me out and accusing me of being some shill. I aint the only one who posted info against this guy about 10 other posters also have also, and 100s of people on facebook, forums and other sites.

Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?
So i guess you think all soldiers, former soldiers, former government workers are on the payroll hey? Well thats something like 30 million Americans right there. Don is a veteran and a former Navy Seal..I highly doubt he is jumping on forums to do psychological-op.
Calm down go have a cup of tea and chill out!

¤=[Post Update]=¤


How many times are you going to make false claims.. provide the source for the girl being 12!! And rape and consensual sex are two different things.
I said 'suppose" I didnt say 100%..I said it is on some forums and has been posted here.

Dude read my above post and respond. the points you are making are EXTREMELY silly and naive.

Tommy
27th January 2012, 19:41
So what are you doing here if you are only insisting of the version of a know public government paid NAVY seal? Do you really believe a low level SEAL (as he is compared to black projects) to the point where you try to ridicule a witness? Don't try to laugh this off or get people off track, answer me clearly for every one to see. Also, "Don" or whomever really using his name as cover has not presented a public testimony about this. Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?

You can't fool everybody, certainly not on this forum...
What a second don't be signaling me out and accusing me of being some shill. I aint the only one who posted info against this guy about 10 other posters also have also, and 100s of people on facebook, forums and other sites.

Even if he does say it, why would anyone believe a government agent?
So i guess you think all soldiers, former soldiers, former government workers are on the payroll hey? Well thats something like 30 million Americans right there. Don is a veteran and a former Navy Seal..I highly doubt he is jumping on forums to do psychological-op.
Calm down go have a cup of tea and chill out!

¤=[Post Update]=¤


How many times are you going to make false claims.. provide the source for the girl being 12!! And rape and consensual sex are two different things.
I said 'suppose" I didnt say 100%..I said it is on some forums and has been posted here.

No, you are taking words out of my mouth. And all of the people\person in question has used the statement you use "I did not write this"..

I don't single anyone out without something to go on, call it patterns.

And if you are not a shill then you should seriously consider if your manners and conduct is fitting for a forum like this.

This is a confirmed organized effort against Project Camelot and Bill Wood, prepare to be challenged on your challenges.
A good answer is usually enough...

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 19:45
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

Sorry, it was for BestLion :)

So you asked BestLion how much THEY offered him. In essence, accusing him of accepting money to attack Bill Wood on this forum. Or are you denying your own words, as quoted here?

BestLion
27th January 2012, 19:48
No, you are taking words out of my mouth. And all of the people\person in question has used the statement you use "I did not write this"..

I don't single anyone out without something to go on, call it patterns.

And if you are not a shill then you should seriously consider if your manners and conduct is fitting for a forum like this.

This is a confirmed organized effort against Project Camelot and Bill Wood, prepare to be challenged on your challenges.
A good answer is usually enough...
This is the 1st thread i post anything about the government -911 etc..go read my post i mainly write in the UFO and history sections. This thread fascinated me because i was a former soldier, and I enjoy people who are or were navy seal. I googled the guys name before I listened to the entire interview cause i never heard of him before and wanted to know who he was before I invested 3 hours into hearing him out. That search lead me to many sites ect..I'm no government worker in anyway. I'm just a normal guy wanting to search the truth and have to filter out the junk along the way.
This mans story does not line up..
So whats your method now to ban me..Seems you want to frame me as a gov official..make me now look bad...so you can ban me cause i don't buy into this BS story of Bill Wood.

Tommy
27th January 2012, 19:54
No, you are taking words out of my mouth. And all of the people\person in question has used the statement you use "I did not write this"..

I don't single anyone out without something to go on, call it patterns.

And if you are not a shill then you should seriously consider if your manners and conduct is fitting for a forum like this.

This is a confirmed organized effort against Project Camelot and Bill Wood, prepare to be challenged on your challenges.
A good answer is usually enough...
This is the 1st thread i post anything about the government -911 etc..go read my post i mainly write in the UFO and history sections. This thread fascinated me because i was a former soldier, and I enjoy people who are or were navy seal. I googled the guys name before I listened to the entire interview cause i never heard of him before and wanted to know who he was before I invested 3 hours into hearing him out. That search lead me to many sites ect..I'm no government worker in anyway. I'm just a normal guy wanting to search the truth and have to filter out the junk along the way.
This mans story does not line up..
So whats your method now to ban me..Seems you want to frame me as a gov official..make me now look bad...so you can ban me cause i don't buy into this BS story of Bill Wood.

I am not in charge of the Avalon Forum so don't play the ban card yet :)

Understand this: The statements you are referencing are less documented than a grain of sand on a random beach. You have decided, others decide for them self.
If it is as easy as a google search I am sure the members here are astute enough to make their own informed decisions.

Manners and conduct is key here, I select my words carefully to trigger a response, you should know that, and I have stated so before too.

If anything, take this as a very personal feedback on your conduct in this thread from an informed member.

Thanks

Carmody
27th January 2012, 19:55
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

who has the website with the donate button and keeps asking people to click on it?

Who has the +$100 trillion agenda and the force to enforce such desires and directions?

careful how you toss that **** around.

One can (mentally) masturbate themselves wildly (I do not claim innocence) within the scope of narrow vision and ideas on a personal fear and forced reality (upon others)..but they must also understand that a force of direction is also a set of blinders that is at least as big, or bigger than the thrust of intent.

I'm not falling on one side of this or another, I'm just addressing the idea of physiological and emotional thrust as a coloration that blinds..either as a purposeful act or one done in relative innocence.

EYES WIDE OPEN
27th January 2012, 19:58
Oh yes, the important and liberating information of our times.

I understand Sean's mannerisms, ego, and personality don't sit right with some people, but I don't understand what you mean by your statement. I did not say his book held the holy grail of important and liberating info, I just said I thought it was an excellent read. Sean is a very well read and intelligent man, and he has a big picture perspective that I find very close to complete.


There must be a language difficulty between us. I will drop it.

No, there is not. You [Modwiz] are often negatively sarcastic to the point of being transparently obnoxious to anyone with any open perception. You read it here first.

I have to say I have bitten my lip many times with regards to modwiz' attitude and patronizing before he put me on ignore simply because I did not agree with him. I thought maybe it was me being too sensitive but clearly I am not on my own

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 20:01
No, you are taking words out of my mouth. And all of the people\person in question has used the statement you use "I did not write this"..

I don't single anyone out without something to go on, call it patterns.

And if you are not a shill then you should seriously consider if your manners and conduct is fitting for a forum like this.

This is a confirmed organized effort against Project Camelot and Bill Wood, prepare to be challenged on your challenges.
A good answer is usually enough...
This is the 1st thread i post anything about the government -911 etc..go read my post i mainly write in the UFO and history sections. This thread fascinated me because i was a former soldier, and I enjoy people who are or were navy seal. I googled the guys name before I listened to the entire interview cause i never heard of him before and wanted to know who he was before I invested 3 hours into hearing him out. That search lead me to many sites ect..I'm no government worker in anyway. I'm just a normal guy wanting to search the truth and have to filter out the junk along the way.
This mans story does not line up..
So whats your method now to ban me..Seems you want to frame me as a gov official..make me now look bad...so you can ban me cause i don't buy into this BS story of Bill Wood.

Can you please respond to my above post? I am also concerned about your conduct on this thread. You seem to be taking hearsay and running with it as if it were evidence. your points are naive IMO and at times childish. please respond to my concerns spelled out in my above post.

humanalien
27th January 2012, 20:05
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The person who is in charge of this network of parties, today currently is an ex- Navy Seal, that everybody would recognise and is definitely in a BUDS training class

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The only ex navy seal that i know of is jesse ventura.

TargeT
27th January 2012, 20:06
Honest question: Is it conceivable that in the military stuff happens that millions of military people don't know of or would have a hard time believing it happens in their back yard? Is it possible that you do not know everything that is going on, or how stuff actually works? Because millions of people don't see a thing that does not make it a lie...


Absolutely, it IS POSSIBLE is it PROBABLE? no that was my only point ( and its HIGHLY unpropable) obviously most people are in skim mode, I've stated several times that since he enlisted normally, proccessed through a recruiter, through meps, to his initial training site & then at his next set of training was selected for his "ATS" specialized training.

so by his own statement I know that he WOULD HAVE records all over the place.. you guys are giving the goverment WAY too much credit, I'm sitting in one of their offices rightnow, its a freaking joke, the Unions encourage incopatency & "tenure" over skill & efficency...

there's a whistle blower that was a destroying documents, thats the source of his info (most credable back story I've ever heard & it leverages what I know to exsist, government in-efficency & regulation violation... EVERY YEAR we play games with our budget to "hide money" etc... shady **** goes on all the time but its mostly petty & pathetic & could easily be stopped if anyone cared.

I'm emphisizing this heavily because while it is possible that what he says is true about his service, it is so highly improbable (BASED ON HIS TESTIMONY LIVE IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW!!!!) that he ever served as his contradictions are blatantly obvious to the military community.




I hope you don't think I am trying to put you down, I am just trying to show that it may be possible that what Bill Wood says is true, even if his behavior does not follow the "well known" pattern. So he indeed may have been part of a "special one that functions differently".

Are we all at Avalon part of a group of people that sort of function differently :)?

PS: I am compelled to mention that I am bitching from a bench right now. I did not serve in the military at all ;)

I'm playing the other side, thats all... not making any concrete judgements, I'll still listen (there are few that I won't listen to); I know how easy it is for human kind to go for a story that is attractive (such as this one) and I see a disturbing lack of skeptisism based (probably) on one person's name alone..

Am I mistaken or is Kerry a document analyst specialist? has she had any training in document verifying or are we just "taking her word" that all this guy's stuff is legit?

the push back on this (due to the celeberty involvement) is what I'm worried about & why I'm putting in effort (celeb.s are TERRIBLE for society for the very reasons I'm posting in this thread... they function as a "trusted" source & people take their word as true.. thats why Tiger Woods sells Nike's etc....)


[Do you really think that guys sent for black ops, risking capture, the military will leave their record lying around so they can be backtraced?
Let's look intelligently at the information given, evaluate it and draw conclusions.
The rest will follow

Stavros

yes, they always do; there is always a record of service, it just gets (extremely) vauge on exactly what, when, where etc...

in the military, (mostly for pay and retirement tracking) there is ALWAYS A PAPER TRAIL. I've worked with SF guys before, they always had a paper trail & since I've never seen any "ATS" or beeing exposed to anything or anyone like that I have spent time with the REAL GUYS, the RANGERS, SF, Para Rescue (PJ's), hell even the ROK ARMY this summer; amazing highly trained individuals that could drink me under a table then go run up a mountain the next day while I was hung over...

To think there is not a paper trail of service for any service member reguardless of their clearance level or activities is sorta like saying a motorcycle doesn't use wheels to move around... thats why I've posted a little bit on this topic ;)

BestLion
27th January 2012, 20:06
If it is as easy as a google search I am sure the members here are astute enough to make their own informed decisions.
Well we have a convicted felon who is on the website of sex offenders. That alone does not help PC in the general public..even having a guy like that doesn't help your cause!
Most people in the world have a bad stigma against sex offenders..and that alone will send many people red flags.
So even if he was a navy seal... having a convicted and registered sex offender doesn't do your cause good. yeah maybe the girl was 16..maybe consensual, but the fact remains he is pegged as a registered sex offender.
That doesn't play well with skeptics or regular Joes once they find that out. And a search on other forums thats the main topic that is being addressed more so then his navy seal stuff.
Hey me personally if the girl was 16 and consensual I aint got a problem with it..that's his business. But its how others who come to PC and view on You Tube ect..BTW check out the You Tube comments about this guy if they already didn't disable the comments.


Manners and conduct is key here, I select my words carefully to trigger a response, you should know that, and I have stated so before too.
I'm pegged as a paid official cause I am extremely skeptical of a mans story, a man who many in the seal community think was never a seal? A man who is a registered sex offender? A man up until a week ago no one has ever heard about?

13th Warrior
27th January 2012, 20:07
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The person who is in charge of this network of parties, today currently is an ex- Navy Seal, that everybody would recognise and is definitely in a BUDS training class

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The only ex navy seal that i know of is jesse ventura.

What about that dude that claimed he punched Jesse in the bar...

araucaria
27th January 2012, 20:07
Its pretty clear the guy is a fake. That has been 99% confirmed about 2 pages back..

We've heard this sort of thing before from the self-styled BestLion. Nothing of the sort has been confirmed.

For one thing, some people need to learn how to read. A sixteen-year-old is someone who has "reached the age of 12 years" - so is an 80-year-old. It doesn't mean they are 12 years old, it just means they are not even younger than that.

EYES WIDE OPEN
27th January 2012, 20:10
Worst case scenario: PC & PA could vanish very soon IF, repeat IF this is COINTELPRO. Use Sitesucker to preserve the whole site offline JUST IN CASE: http://www.sitesucker.us/mac/mac.html

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 20:11
If it is as easy as a google search I am sure the members here are astute enough to make their own informed decisions.
Well we have a convicted felon who is on the website of sex offenders. That alone does not help PC in the general public..even having a guy like that doesn't help your cause!
Most people in the world have a bad stigma against sex offenders..and that alone will send many people red flags.
So even if he was a navy seal... having a convicted and registered sex offender doesn't do your cause good. yeah maybe the girl was 16..maybe consensual, but the fact remains he is pegged as a registered sex offender.
That doesn't play well with skeptics or regular Joes once they find that out. And a search on other forums thats the main topic that is being addressed more so then his navy seal stuff.
Hey me personally if the girl was 16 and consensual I aint got a problem with it..that's his business. But its how others who come to PC and view on You Tube ect..BTW check out the You Tube comments about this guy if they already didn't disable the comments.


Manners and conduct is key here, I select my words carefully to trigger a response, you should know that, and I have stated so before too.
I'm pegged as a paid official cause I am extremely skeptical of a mans story, a man who many in the seal community think was never a seal? A man who is a registered sex offender? A man up until a week ago no one has ever heard about?

NO. I am concerned because you seem to be running with hearsay as evidence and not responding or listening to reason. That does make me suspect that you MIGHT (keyword) have an interest in dividing this forum. unless you have some sort of logical explanation for acting this way.

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 20:12
If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that BW is full of it, it HAS to happen for the good of the entire truth and disclosure movement. If the truth destroys the credibility of PC or Kerry, that is truly unfortunate, but our duty should be to the truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
Well BW condemns his own story in his own words. He admits to the felony of the rape in the 1990s! Yet says he was a Navy Seal in 2000s.. .. :rolleyes: NO WAY IN HECK! 85% of all candidates who want to be seals are rejected, and anyone with a criminal record of any sort is rejected on the spot. NUFF SAID! This is a top secret clearance to even get into the seals. And the seals would have never accepted a man with any type of felony!
This man is 100% full of crap! And yes it is now out in the open and once all the stuff on BW does surface it is going to really hurt the credibility of PC.
BTW he is now also popping up on military forums and other sites...and many refer back to what Don said about him..the pile of manure is getting larger on this clown.

How much did they offer you? Or did they give you other benefits of interest?
You should know we know who these people are, very well..

I call it as I see it

??? Are you talking to me, BestLion, or both of us. ??? Are you accusing someone of being a paid shill ?

who has the website with the donate button and keeps asking people to click on it?

Who has the +$100 trillion agenda and the force to enforce such desires and directions?

careful how you toss that **** around.

One can (mentally) masturbate themselves wildly (I do not claim innocence) within the scope of narrow vision and ideas on a personal fear and forced reality (upon others)..but they must also understand that a force of direction is also a set of blinders that is at least as big, or bigger than the thrust of intent.

I'm not falling on one side of this or another, I'm just addressing the idea of physiological and emotional thrust as a coloration that blinds..either as a purposeful act or one done in relative innocence.

Carmody, I believe seeingterra accused BestLion of being a paid agent first if you read the WHOLE conversation. I only responded in BestLion's defense as that could be construed as libel.

Carmody
27th January 2012, 20:12
He was a member of Seal Team 9 a classified unit. Not available to the public.

I believe (but do not know) that this is the case. I've talked in some depth with Kerry, who assures me that she's seen his credentials and paperwork.

I have not seen this -- but I do not doubt her word, and based on his testimony and Kerry's backstory (and also David's strong endorsement) I believe Bill Wood is credible.

So you believe that the letters from the ex SEALS Don Shipley and Steve Robinson are untrue?

Half the time we don't even know the inner working of our given partner's mind.

Now..when compartmentalized systems (with a deep history of such and designed that way from the ground up) desire to and do use control of information to keep secrets...well..that can lead to a certain incapacity to prove anything -from the given public or known side of things. With respect, as mentioned, to the idea of a system designed from the ground up to be compartmentalized and to control information.

Thus, no resolution, just confusion.

Enter mental confusion, stage left..and then the base systems of being an incarnated spirit in an avatar (human) ...and the ABS and traction control take over on this slippery ground..and enforce a decision upon the body, to keep it safe (it perceives danger, it is agitated).

Enter emotional conditioning and base design considerations... and we get into arguments about who or what is correct, right --- in black and white terms. (fight or flight is black and white)

As this is what the body inserts into the formation of logic, in order to keep the body safe from it's perceived dangers.

It is also AT LEAST as important to this discussion to understand the base mechanism of the 'discussion', otherwise true logic without interference will never enter the picture.

BestLion
27th January 2012, 20:17
OH MY GOD! DUDE! You are missing the whole entire POINT! Just because you were in the army for 7 years and you think you "KNOW" about how the navy seals operate doesn't mean you know how bw's specific alleged secret team works! We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team?
I never ever said I know how seals work.I said I know how discharges, orders, court martials, and enlistments work. That is what I did! I never said I knew how the insides of special ops work.
I am not much on the government conspiracy stuff i dont spend much time on that stuff, I am more interested in other topics like ancient civilizations and such.But the gov does have laws, and the military does have a code of conduct , and yes rape is punishable by a cort martial..if be statutory rape.

Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!! Are you really claiming that you know exactly how the shadow government and it's secret team military operatives conduct themselves????
What they do, and the regular soldier does..have likely 2 different codes of conduct.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD.
And where, which post did I make this claim? I said i know how basic orders, and basic forms are done..where in the hell do you get from that to these allegations?


The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative. But i don't think you are. I just think you are confused and naive about how our government and military work in secret.
I tend not to think about how the government and top secret stuff works. Doesnt add anything to my life.
I only posted how regular procedures are done on a Battalion level in the military. I have never worked higher up then battalion level.
Cheers hope that answers your questions.

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 20:19
Thanks Robbie for the vids on lasers I know it is geting lost in the general hubbub of this thread, though still very valid as BW talked about them
and i think ,there is no doubt that black ops weaponry is way more advanced, if they are showing these impressive weapons in the open....

PMS.405 the US Naveys electronic warfare branch.....I have not heard of that , though obviously official....

aoAa_B2kRuo

Its not a fantasy theory anymore .....definately possible....

christian
27th January 2012, 20:22
it is so highly improbable (BASED ON HIS TESTIMONY LIVE IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW!!!!) that he ever served as his contradictions are blatantly obvious to the military community.

From what is listed at offendex, his offense is called 99.99m - that means he was convicted while in the military.



Most people in the world have a bad stigma against sex offenders..and that alone will send many people red flags.
So even if he was a navy seal... having a convicted and registered sex offender doesn't do your cause good. yeah maybe the girl was 16..maybe consensual, but the fact remains he is pegged as a registered sex offender.
That doesn't play well with skeptics or regular Joes once they find that out?

Some people just have a hard time putting things in perspective...
But the truth is more important than popularity.
Alex Jones lost the majority of his radio affiliates right after 9-11 when he said it was an inside job. Look where he is now.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 20:24
OH MY GOD! DUDE! You are missing the whole entire POINT! Just because you were in the army for 7 years and you think you "KNOW" about how the navy seals operate doesn't mean you know how bw's specific alleged secret team works! We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team?
I never ever said I know how seals work.I said I know how discharges, orders, court martials, and enlistments work. That is what I did! I never said I knew how the insides of special ops work.
I am not much on the government conspiracy stuff i dont spend much time on that stuff, I am more interested in other topics like ancient civilizations and such.But the gov does have laws, and the military does have a code of conduct , and yes rape is punishable by a cort martial..if be statutory rape.

Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!! Are you really claiming that you know exactly how the shadow government and it's secret team military operatives conduct themselves????
What they do, and the regular soldier does..have likely 2 different codes of conduct.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD.
And where, which post did I make this claim? I said i know how basic orders, and basic forms are done..where in the hell do you get from that to these allegations?


The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative. But i don't think you are. I just think you are confused and naive about how our government and military work in secret.
I tend not to think about how the government and top secret stuff works. Doesnt add anything to my life.
I only posted how regular procedures are done on a Battalion level in the military. I have never worked higher up then battalion level.
Cheers hope that answers your questions.

OK. Well if you don't think about "how the government and top secret stuff works" then you don't have much valuable input on this subject because that is exactly what BW's testimony deals with. Wow. how do you not see the absurdity of making your assertions and then saying you "tend not to think about" how the very things that you were commenting on work?


UPDATE:
and i take back what i said about you not responding because you have finally responded to me.

Update 2:
just to be clear i am not vouching for BW because I don't know him. I am simply trying stop all this speculation until we have all the facts. Maybe something cool will happen at the end of 2012 and maybe BW was part of a secret navy seal team. Maybe not. But I am just trying to prevent a witch hunt until we all have more information.

Paul
27th January 2012, 20:35
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD.
And where, which post did I make this claim? I said i know how basic orders, and basic forms are done..where in the hell do you get from that to these allegations?
You stated that Bill Wood's military history could -not- be as he stated, because such would -not- happen in your administrative unit.

So far as I can tell from all you've said, you had no specific knowledge of how Bill Wood's military status was handled. But you are implying such knowledge, based on what you did experience.

Perhaps Bill Wood's status was not handled in accordance with the basic procedures you knew?

sleepy
27th January 2012, 20:42
xxxxx xxxxxx

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 20:44
Everyone here wants PROOF PROOF PROOF of why some do not believe this guy. Okay, let's set aside the court martial. Forget about it. No one will ever agree on it. Some will say it can be faked and, hey I won't argue with you. No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit? News flash " The President's helicopter, Marine One was shot down as it was landing, for an official visit in Kuwait today! There were no survivors! Al Gore is now your new President!" Oh and five minutes later "The Queen of England's chopper was landing in Kuwait to meet the President and was shot down. All Hail King Charles!"

13th Warrior
27th January 2012, 20:47
it is so highly improbable (BASED ON HIS TESTIMONY LIVE IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW!!!!) that he ever served as his contradictions are blatantly obvious to the military community.

From what is listed at offendex, his offense is called 99.99m - that means he was convicted while in the military.



Most people in the world have a bad stigma against sex offenders..and that alone will send many people red flags.
So even if he was a navy seal... having a convicted and registered sex offender doesn't do your cause good. yeah maybe the girl was 16..maybe consensual, but the fact remains he is pegged as a registered sex offender.
That doesn't play well with skeptics or regular Joes once they find that out?

Some people just have a hard time putting things in perspective...
But the truth is more important than popularity.
Alex Jones lost the majority of his radio affiliates right after 9-11 when he said it was an inside job. Look where he is now.

Very Interesting!

""99.99" as a crime code on a State sex offender registry usually just means that the crime is not on that State's penal code - which would be the case if he was convicted at court martial under the UCMJ rather than under your State penal code.

What the actual crime was would require you to discover the code in the UCMJ he was convicted of."

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 20:49
Everyone here wants PROOF PROOF PROOF of why some do not believe this guy. Okay, let's set aside the court martial. Forget about it. No one will ever agree on it. Some will say it can be faked and, hey I won't argue with you. No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit? News flash " The President's helicopter, Marine One was shot down as it was landing, for an official visit in Kuwait today! There were no survivors! Al Gore is now your new President!" Oh and five minutes later "The Queen of England's chopper was landing in Kuwait to meet the President and was shot down. All Hail King Charles!"

Well ok. if we are supposing that his testimony is true then they would probably keep him after he destroyed a million dollar weapon because (if we are supposing that we believe his testimony) he is F***ING PSYCHIC. How much would psychic abilities be worth to the military? hmmm. Come on people. Let's use some common sense.

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 20:51
I am not asking for proof now, i would like the hysteria to die down and let his information come forth.......

BW will be fully aware as will the others the hype caused and no doubt will update us sooner rather than later..

As I have said in the past I rarely get involved in these , 'hyper' threads but felt I had to for reasons I have

stated in several previous posts....At times I thought I was watching 'FOX NEWS'

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/7/j/3/sanity-not-hannity.jpg

Khaleesi
27th January 2012, 20:52
Everyone here wants PROOF PROOF PROOF of why some do not believe this guy. Okay, let's set aside the court martial. Forget about it. No one will ever agree on it. Some will say it can be faked and, hey I won't argue with you. No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit? News flash " The President's helicopter, Marine One was shot down as it was landing, for an official visit in Kuwait today! There were no survivors! Al Gore is now your new President!" Oh and five minutes later "The Queen of England's chopper was landing in Kuwait to meet the President and was shot down. All Hail King Charles!"

Well ok. if we are supposing that his testimony is true then they would probably keep him after he destroyed a million dollar weapon because (if we are supposing that we believe his testimony) he is F***ING PSYCHIC. How much would psychic abilities be worth to the military? hmmm. Come on people. Let's use some common sense.

He said he was doing more Tomahawk missions, NOT psychic ****.

Carmody
27th January 2012, 20:52
Understand that an x-class flare has occurred today...which can cause irritation/agitation for the given group of the public or people that have an astrological connection to the quadrants or directions disturbed by the given flare.

Overall, an underlying agitation is the norm for the day.

the connections are there, and real, an I will explain further in the near future, in the 'astrology fundamentals' thread how even a nothing can effect everything. (with regard to proven physics-and when you understand that, even 'proof' becomes meaningless)

Ilie Pandia
27th January 2012, 20:55
Hello everybody, please calm down and keep to a respectful tone. No need for yelling, all caps or excessive punctuation :)

Now to attempt and answer to Khaleesi's question.

He did not return to work as "punishment". He returned to work with the understanding that now they have something on him and they will bring him down if he disobeys an order again.

If, as he says, those targets were not really "legal targets", his handlers would not have wanted a public trial about this where they would have to justify what were they doing in there in the first place. He may have been very useful, due to his alleged psi training, so he was not easily replaceable.

Also, as I understood it, he could not have taken down any presidential helicopter, because that would have to be in "line of sight" and would have required for said helicopter to be in the "targeting area", which of course will never happen. So, all he could really do is kill himself and his unit, or crash the missile some place around the target, but still in line of sight proximity.

You may also not be aware of what other constraints were put on him to make sure he will follow orders this time.

Again, I don't want to take the "pro BW" role, but posting rumors and hear say, and Google copy paste against him, is not helpful either.

And I can see how for military men, active or not, a testimony such as the one of Bill Wood can be very challenging.

The "Shadow Government" for a lack of a better word, is not inefficent or stupid at all. They've managed to keep a lot of secrets from us, and indoctrinate us into "following policy".

Paul
27th January 2012, 20:55
No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!!
When Sherlock Holmes (had he been real) was unraveling murder mysteries, he could carefully observe bits of mud and non-barking dogs and keenly deduce what possibility remained, after all the impossibilities had been discarded.

But we are not here dealing in immediate physical evidence that is undeniably real. We are dealing in snippets of text of unknown origins, strongly colored by our emotional reactions.

Much can be considered, but little can be proven beyond doubt ... even the most compelling deductions can be led astray for want of a key detail, or insertion of a key distraction or misrepresentation.

An ALL CAPS compulsion to get the TRUTH is more likely to lead to discord that keeps us from understanding than it is to lead to better understanding.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 20:57
Everyone here wants PROOF PROOF PROOF of why some do not believe this guy. Okay, let's set aside the court martial. Forget about it. No one will ever agree on it. Some will say it can be faked and, hey I won't argue with you. No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit? News flash " The President's helicopter, Marine One was shot down as it was landing, for an official visit in Kuwait today! There were no survivors! Al Gore is now your new President!" Oh and five minutes later "The Queen of England's chopper was landing in Kuwait to meet the President and was shot down. All Hail King Charles!"

Well ok. if we are supposing that his testimony is true then they would probably keep him after he destroyed a million dollar weapon because (if we are supposing that we believe his testimony) he is F***ING PSYCHIC. How much would psychic abilities be worth to the military? hmmm. Come on people. Let's use some common sense.

He said he was doing more Tomahawk missions, NOT psychic ****.



This is the same argument I hear from people who are skeptical about 9/11 being an inside job. "well why would the government blow up the buildings? that would make them much more likely to get caught!" Just because we can't comprehend the reasoning behind a certain action taken by a certain government agency or group who has information that we are not privy to, does not mean that there in no reason for them to take that action.

P.S. I took the capitalizations off. I agree I was getting a little riled up. My bad Ilie and Paul. My apologies to khaleesi as well.