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christian
27th January 2012, 20:58
No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit?

How about: "Do as we tell you or we send you to prison for life and then torture you"




From what is listed at offendex, his offense is called 99.99m - that means he was convicted while in the military.

""99.99" as a crime code on a State sex offender registry usually just means that the crime is not on that State's penal code - which would be the case if he was convicted at court martial under the UCMJ rather than under your State penal code.

What the actual crime was would require you to discover the code in the UCMJ he was convicted of."

The "m" in "99.99m" means military, if you google "offendex 99.99m" you will have three results, he is of course one of them. For the other two it explicitly states "military", for some reason Bill's record is not complete there, go figure.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 21:15
No one here that is willing to believe him has touched on the FACT that has been brought up SEVERAL TIMES that this guy disobeyed orders and destroyed a million dollar weapon. Then they entrusted him with more million dollar weapons as punishment? PLEAAAAAASE explain that one away!!!! If you can give me a cogent argument for that I will give in. They trusted him to obey orders after disobeying? Trusting him not to strike an area where oh let's say hmmmm the President was coming to visit?

How about: "Do as we tell you or we send you to prison for life and then torture you"




From what is listed at offendex, his offense is called 99.99m - that means he was convicted while in the military.

""99.99" as a crime code on a State sex offender registry usually just means that the crime is not on that State's penal code - which would be the case if he was convicted at court martial under the UCMJ rather than under your State penal code.

What the actual crime was would require you to discover the code in the UCMJ he was convicted of."

The "m" in "99.99m" means military, if you google "offendex 99.99m" you will have three results, he is of course one of them. For the other two it explicitly states "military", for some reason Bill's record is not complete there, go figure.

Wow very helpful thank you. I had been trying to find some record of his conviction.

winston smith1971
27th January 2012, 21:18
Thanks Robbie for the vids on lasers I know it is geting lost in the general hubbub of this thread, though still very valid as BW talked about them
and i think ,there is no doubt that black ops weaponry is way more advanced, if they are showing these impressive weapons in the open....

PMS.405 the US Naveys electronic warfare branch.....I have not heard of that , though obviously official....

aoAa_B2kRuo

Its not a fantasy theory anymore .....definately possible....

Excellent vid Steve you cant just see how a solid steel column turns into dust just not possible with aviation fuel. I mean for GOD SAKE the planes hit near the top how the hell does a building turn to dust, they didn't hit the bottom. Well spotted BTW when Bill Wood said about a Million watt laser i didn't register until you pointed it out. This vid is good as the guy says where is all the office furniture, PCs, photocopiers, phone vending machines etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX_UKdqoa_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX_UKdqoa_o

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 21:25
so...he was in the military, and was convicted of a sex offense by a military court, and was not convicted by a civilian court.. There you have it, we can stop arguing about whether or not he told the truth about anything.
it seems he was in the navy but in the 1990s "not what he claims in 2008 time" he got court martialed and ended up in ft leavenworth. The claim of his seal experience is bogus, and so is his time frame he never was in iraqi freedom opp etc...now that puts us..
I was a unit administrator for the us army full time for 7 years. I worked with orders dd214 forms, i processed new soldier and also kicked out soldiers who were busted for drugs etc.. I was responsible for the paperwork. I worked for a us army reserve battalion as a full time civilian a gs-07 which is called 'dual status" meant i had to be a member of the army reserve in order to keep my civilian job. If a soldier was convicted of a court martial he received a dis honorable discharge and would no be re-instated back to the armed forces.that means his own story has him busted! he said he was convicted of the rape..this means they in the military sent him to a tribunal , and he was found guilt..this would entail a court martial, and a dishonorable discharge. He would never had made a seal team "which need a top security clearance. he would not have even been reinstated to the armed forces. he would have been demoted, and black lined. That means after his conviction even if he tried to be a seal he would have never been accepted! Heck he wouldn't have even been reinstated to the navy!
Btw the seals reject something like 80% of people who apply. A man with any 'black' on his record would have been rejected asap.

OH MY GOD! DUDE! You are missing the whole entire POINT! Just because you were in the army for 7 years and you think you "KNOW" about how the navy seals operate doesn't mean you know how bw's specific alleged secret team works! We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team? Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!! Are you really claiming that you know exactly how the shadow government and it's secret team military operatives conduct themselves???? YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD. The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative. But i don't think you are. I just think you are confused and naive about how our government and military work in secret.

:confused:

Update:

Haha I took a lesson from jackovesck on that one! Red type helps get the point across. Word to you Jack! :cool:

Ummmm....That argument works both ways.

sleepy
27th January 2012, 21:26
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Kyra
27th January 2012, 21:27
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD. The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative.


I got a taste for it. I worked for a Rockefeller organization for 6 years. They hired an ex-Army intel officer to be in charge of keeping computer records on all employees ... in order to monitor, create files for offensive / defensive means, and to create an atmosphere of non-trust, so we would not sue for wrong-doings on the part of the corporation.

As we understand that the entire cabal is run like a gigantic mafiosa ... digging up "dirt" on everyone, with knowledge of family and personal habits and weaknesses, in order to entrap and enforce ...

Then doesn't it make sense that if a whistleblower comes forward, they would:

1) immediately seek to discredit them through multiple means

2) set them up as criminals through entrapment, paying witnesses to lie (using a large army of sworn masons or illuminati or disassociated mkultra members)

3) direct shills onto multiple websites and message boards and forums to spread disinfo, breed contradictions, openly discredit, and generally do everything possible --- for the sake of damage control --- to marginalize the whistleblower?

FOLKS, come on, this is standard COINTELPRO policy ...


The objective seems to be to attack and “neutralize” those who are seeking the answers. Those who are sincere, who do bona fide research and seek to explicate the truth, are infiltrated, attacked, and marginalized according to standard COINTELPRO procedures.

Link (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_cointelpro07.htm)

We've seen it all before, so let's use our innate discernment, scan a source's vibrational frequency, and regardless of the personal attacks upon them, discover if their message resonates as truth for you.

To discredit and marginalize any individual who seeks to reveal the truth should actually function as a HUGE CLUE --- because TPTW are trying so furiously to get this one and that one to discredit a player in this drama --- in order to turn public opinion away from the true sources of criminal activity --- makes me think that if the messages of the individual were baseless, no such attack would be forthcoming.

Once we become AWARE of something, and CALL IT OUT (as in, "you are made" ... to someone following you) ... then the tactics usually switch into a new mutation.

Watch and observe.
..
.

Cidersomerset
27th January 2012, 21:28
Looking at that column on the right hand side crumble and literally turn to dust is eye an opening , even though we have all seen it before
its meaning is more significant imho....I know others have already pointed it out on other threads but there may be more people looking
in and it will give them food for thought.....

aoAa_B2kRuo

Your right that million watt laser is a another eye opener if it exists, and the above
clip suggests it could ..imho...

TargeT
27th January 2012, 21:28
it is so highly improbable (BASED ON HIS TESTIMONY LIVE IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW!!!!) that he ever served as his contradictions are blatantly obvious to the military community.

From what is listed at offendex, his offense is called 99.99m - that means he was convicted while in the military.


Appologizes, I meant "served as a seal" clearly he was in the military for a bit.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 21:38
so...he was in the military, and was convicted of a sex offense by a military court, and was not convicted by a civilian court.. There you have it, we can stop arguing about whether or not he told the truth about anything.
it seems he was in the navy but in the 1990s "not what he claims in 2008 time" he got court martialed and ended up in ft leavenworth. The claim of his seal experience is bogus, and so is his time frame he never was in iraqi freedom opp etc...now that puts us..
I was a unit administrator for the us army full time for 7 years. I worked with orders dd214 forms, i processed new soldier and also kicked out soldiers who were busted for drugs etc.. I was responsible for the paperwork. I worked for a us army reserve battalion as a full time civilian a gs-07 which is called 'dual status" meant i had to be a member of the army reserve in order to keep my civilian job. If a soldier was convicted of a court martial he received a dis honorable discharge and would no be re-instated back to the armed forces.that means his own story has him busted! he said he was convicted of the rape..this means they in the military sent him to a tribunal , and he was found guilt..this would entail a court martial, and a dishonorable discharge. He would never had made a seal team "which need a top security clearance. he would not have even been reinstated to the armed forces. he would have been demoted, and black lined. That means after his conviction even if he tried to be a seal he would have never been accepted! Heck he wouldn't have even been reinstated to the navy!
Btw the seals reject something like 80% of people who apply. A man with any 'black' on his record would have been rejected asap.

OH MY GOD! DUDE! You are missing the whole entire POINT! Just because you were in the army for 7 years and you think you "KNOW" about how the navy seals operate doesn't mean you know how bw's specific alleged secret team works! We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team? Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!! Are you really claiming that you know exactly how the shadow government and it's secret team military operatives conduct themselves???? YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD. The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative. But i don't think you are. I just think you are confused and naive about how our government and military work in secret.

:confused:

Update:

Haha I took a lesson from jackovesck on that one! Red type helps get the point across. Word to you Jack! :cool:

Ummmm....That argument works both ways.

But... i don't claim to know how the shadow government works. I just submit that nobody knows except for maybe those who have worked within it. and even they probably don't have a very clear picture of how it works because, based on whistle blower testimony, the shadow government seems to be highly compartmentalized.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 21:41
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. PERIOD. The only way you could know that is if you were a shadow government operative.


I got a taste for it. I worked for a Rockefeller organization for 6 years. They hired an ex-Army intel officer to be in charge of keeping computer records on all employees ... in order to monitor, create files for offensive / defensive means, and to create an atmosphere of non-trust, so we would not sue for wrong-doings on the part of the corporation.

As we understand that the entire cabal is run like a gigantic mafiosa ... digging up "dirt" on everyone, with knowledge of family and personal habits and weaknesses, in order to entrap and enforce ...

Then doesn't it make sense that if a whistleblower comes forward, they would:

1) immediately seek to discredit them through multiple means

2) set them up as criminals through entrapment, paying witnesses to lie (using a large army of sworn masons or illuminati or disassociated mkultra members)

3) direct shills onto multiple websites and message boards and forums to spread disinfo, breed contradictions, openly discredit, and generally do everything possible --- for the sake of damage control --- to marginalize the whistleblower?

FOLKS, come on, this is standard COINTELPRO policy ...


The objective seems to be to attack and “neutralize” those who are seeking the answers. Those who are sincere, who do bona fide research and seek to explicate the truth, are infiltrated, attacked, and marginalized according to standard COINTELPRO procedures.

Link (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_cointelpro07.htm)

We've seen it all before, so let's use our innate discernment, scan a source's vibrational frequency, and regardless of the personal attacks upon them, discover if their message resonates as truth for you.

To discredit and marginalize any individual who seeks to reveal the truth should actually function as a HUGE CLUE --- because TPTW are trying so furiously to get this one and that one to discredit a player in this drama --- in order to turn public opinion away from the true sources of criminal activity --- makes me think that if the messages of the individual were baseless, no such attack would be forthcoming.

Once we become AWARE of something, and CALL IT OUT (as in, "you are made" ... to someone following you) ... then the tactics usually switch into a new mutation.

Watch and observe.
..
.

Hear! Hear!

TargeT
27th January 2012, 21:41
The "Shadow Government" for a lack of a better word, is not inefficent or stupid at all. They've managed to keep a lot of secrets from us, and indoctrinate us into "following policy".

How can you make an absolute statement like that?

ever worked with the regular government, think they completely redesigned thier entire system? if htey are so efficent why do we even know it exsists (FYI, I do NOT know it exsists, I've heard the term bandied about & it is logical that something that could be labeled "shadow government" is real.. though I highly doubt its some super efficent orginized group with a clear goal, probably more likely is its a bunch of competing agencies with little to no over sight trying to acomplisgh goals that have a TWIST of higher agenda in them.... enough that the participants would think they are still doing "good" in some form)

I've seen enough government and military to think less that they are some huge powerful thing to be feared & more that it illistrates how easily "controlled" we are via concepts, ideas, and false ideas.



This is the same argument I hear from people who are skeptical about 9/11 being an inside job. "well why would the government blow up the buildings? that would make them much more likely to get caught!" Just because we can't comprehend the reasoning behind a certain action taken by a certain government agency or group who has information that we are not privy to, does not mean that there in no reason for them to take that action.

P.S. I took the capitalizations off. I agree I was getting a little riled up. My bad Ilie and Paul. My apologies to khaleesi as well.

the twin towers had a very good reason for being blown up, it was money.... and the reason came from many directions.... Money in the towers, the money it would cost to demo the asbestose covered steel frame (BILLIONS!) the insurance money, the Porta Authority would not allow a demolition etc...

None of these are difficult topics when enough time is spent working through the facts / ideas / postulations (as I hope we are doing here in this thread)

If something is a mystery or magical or ESOTERIC... it just means you don't understand it enough yet :)

http://www.e-forwards.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/einstein-understanding-.jpeg

Heartsong
27th January 2012, 21:47
I listened to both interviews. Some was credible some not.
What sounded fishy to me was his analogy about turning something around - he said something like "driving a boat"
Wouldn't it be more Navy-like to say "steering a ship"?
this was in the second interview about half way.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 21:55
The "Shadow Government" for a lack of a better word, is not inefficent or stupid at all. They've managed to keep a lot of secrets from us, and indoctrinate us into "following policy".

How can you make an absolute statement like that?

ever worked with the regular government, think they completely redesigned thier entire system? if htey are so efficent why do we even know it exsists (FYI, I do NOT know it exsists, I've heard the term bandied about & it is logical that something that could be labeled "shadow government" is real.. though I highly doubt its some super efficent orginized group with a clear goal, probably more likely is its a bunch of competing agencies with little to no over sight trying to acomplisgh goals that have a TWIST of higher agenda in them.... enough that the participants would think they are still doing "good" in some form)

I've seen enough government and military to think less that they are some huge powerful thing to be feared & more that it illistrates how easily "controlled" we are via concepts, ideas, and false ideas.



This is the same argument I hear from people who are skeptical about 9/11 being an inside job. "well why would the government blow up the buildings? that would make them much more likely to get caught!" Just because we can't comprehend the reasoning behind a certain action taken by a certain government agency or group who has information that we are not privy to, does not mean that there in no reason for them to take that action.

P.S. I took the capitalizations off. I agree I was getting a little riled up. My bad Ilie and Paul. My apologies to khaleesi as well.

the twin towers had a very good reason for being blown up, it was money.... and the reason came from many directions.... Money in the towers, the money it would cost to demo the asbestose covered steel frame (BILLIONS!) the insurance money, the Porta Authority would not allow a demolition etc...

None of these are difficult topics when enough time is spent working through the facts / ideas / postulations (as I hope we are doing here in this thread)

If something is a mystery or magical or ESOTERIC... it just means you don't understand it enough yet :)

http://www.e-forwards.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/einstein-understanding-.jpeg

Oh my god. I have an understanding of the possible motives for controlled demolitioning (new word!) the twin towers and building 7. I was trying to explain the simpleton's point of view on the subject. They can't believe that their own government would do that to their own people so you have to play little word games with them and be careful not threaten their paradigm too much or else their minds will shut down and the debate will be over. You have to slowly chip away at their paradigm instead of pulverizing it with a sledge hammer. Like for example you suggest "well they killed their own people basically for money and resources and to keep us afraid so we will accept their aggressive agenda to keep us enslaved and controlled." you can't say that or else they will no longer be receptive to the information you are trying to present. I have tried to explain it simply to people like that but it doesn't work. you have to operate within their paradigm and be careful not to say key words that will make their minds shut down. like "illuminati" or "shadow government" (haha), or "inside job" do you see what i'm saying? I wasn't saying that I can't comprehend the motives for blowing up the towers. I'm saying that some people can't comprehend the motives even if you explain it to them simply. see what i mean? I can use my understanding to explain it simply but that doesn't mean that the simpleton will accept a simple explanation because their mind control programming is actually very complex.

DreamsInDigital
27th January 2012, 21:56
you'd call it fishy just because of a difference in terminology? Yet, Boat and Ship in many peoples minds means the exact same thing. Isn't that just nit picking? I mean really I could literally use the term "riding a horse" or "driving a car" I do both, they both pretty much mean the same thing, other than one is an inanimate object and the other has a mind of it's own. But both still ultimately require some refinement of interaction or communication. Or they do end up going all willy nilly over the place.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 22:02
I listened to both interviews. Some was credible some not.
What sounded fishy to me was his analogy about turning something around - he said something like "driving a boat"
Wouldn't it be more Navy-like to say "steering a ship"?
this was in the second interview about half way.

Yea I have to agree with dream in digital. That is a pretty silly technicality that doesn't mean much IMO.

TargeT
27th January 2012, 22:05
I'm saying that some people can't comprehend the motives even if you explain it to them simply. see what i mean?

I'm sorry, while I did quote your post I was not really speaking to you in that responce, I'm very cognicent of the public nature of these posts and generaly structure my writing for larger audiences.

I used you to make my own point, I apologize :)



I listened to both interviews. Some was credible some not.
What sounded fishy to me was his analogy about turning something around - he said something like "driving a boat"
Wouldn't it be more Navy-like to say "steering a ship"?
this was in the second interview about half way.

Yea I have to agree with dream in digital. That is a pretty silly technicality that doesn't mean much IMO.

but it IS based more on fact than any information on "project looking glass" (I'm not very well versed in this topic, but I guarentee you there is no hard evidence right? just hear-say? I'd put money on that being the case, though that does not prove or disprove much really, but it IS a factor.....) or many of the other things we discuss here... so as far as "silly goes" when we work with such slippery topics any gripping point (such as terminology used, manarism, body language, lack of documentation (or false documentation) etc..) is really all we have to work with as far as Discernment is concerned. (and thats what I see this thread as.. an exersize in discernment).

I mainly act on my intuition then find reasons to that others can accept to explain my position..

I FEEL he is a fraud (same with wilford and fulcock) and as such I start to analyse what is offered... the whole picture includes "silly technicalities" as well :)

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 22:09
I'm saying that some people can't comprehend the motives even if you explain it to them simply. see what i mean?

I'm sorry, while I did quote your post I was not really speaking to you in that responce, I'm very cognicent of the public nature of these posts and generaly structure my writing for larger audiences.

I used you to make my own point, I apologize :)

Yea. Ok. I was just saying that i agree with you that there is a good reason for them having been blown up. Just wanted to make it clear that I am not one of those people that can't comprehend the motives. no worries.

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 22:13
We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team? Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!!


Ummmm....That argument works both ways.

But... i don't claim to know how the shadow government works. I just submit that nobody knows except for maybe those who have worked within it. and even they probably don't have a very clear picture of how it works because, based on whistle blower testimony, the shadow government seems to be highly compartmentalized.

How do you know all of these claims that you have made are true? I'm not picking on you here, I actually do believe that there are some sick puppies in positions of power. But the argument that you know these things is based upon the same logic as what BestLion knows.

This is from a post that I have made previously, and perhaps we all need to be reminded of this story along about here somewhere :

A student begged of his master: Please master, tell me where I may find truth.

The master replied: Where do you think that you may go to find truth, if you cannot find it here, now?

Student: Then tell me master, what is truth?

Master: What is the ocean?

Student: It is the great salty sea which encircles the whole of the world.

Master: To a fish, the ocean is a translucent palace. To a man in a boat, it is a great circle extending to the horizon in all directions. To a heavenly being, it is a shimmering string of jewel-like reflections. The ocean has the capacity to be all of these things, and yet is none of them. We force our interpretations to fit a limited repetoire of contexts.

Butangeld
27th January 2012, 22:20
I don't think there is anything wrong with an 'indiscriminate act of kindness' :o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNWTaqFexSk

modwiz
27th January 2012, 22:24
n

I've seen enough government and military to think less that they are some huge powerful thing to be feared & more that it illustrates how easily "controlled" we are via concepts, ideas, and false ideas.


It cannot be overemphasized how poignant this comment/observation of your is. It is the main control mechanism. It is the force multiplier they employ to counter their smaller numbers and abilities.

I hope my agreeing with you does not diminish this excellent point made by you.

TargeT
27th January 2012, 22:30
I hope my agreeing with you does not diminish this excellent point made by you.

Oh man, I can only imagine what the two of us together in a bar would produce... probably an empty room due to heavy use of sarcasim & dry wit... hahaha

AlternativeInfoJunkie
27th January 2012, 22:36
We are talking about a military that works for a government that allows satanists and pedophiles to operate as politicians and commit their crimes at the highest levels of government. Do you really think a military who works for that kind of government would really care about letting someone who had sex with a sixteen year old into their elite secret team? Hell, the satanist / pedophile higher ups would probably see it as a PLUS!!


Ummmm....That argument works both ways.

But... i don't claim to know how the shadow government works. I just submit that nobody knows except for maybe those who have worked within it. and even they probably don't have a very clear picture of how it works because, based on whistle blower testimony, the shadow government seems to be highly compartmentalized.

How do you know all of these claims that you have made are true? I'm not picking on you here, I actually do believe that there are some sick puppies in positions of power. But the argument that you know these things is based upon the same logic as what BestLion knows.

This is from a post that I have made previously, and perhaps we all need to be reminded of this story along about here somewhere :

A student begged of his master: Please master, tell me where I may find truth.

The master replied: Where do you think that you may go to find truth, if you cannot find it here, now?

Student: Then tell me master, what is truth?

Master: What is the ocean?

Student: It is the great salty sea which encircles the whole of the world.

Master: To a fish, the ocean is a translucent palace. To a man in a boat, it is a great circle extending to the horizon in all directions. To a heavenly being, it is a shimmering string of jewel-like reflections. The ocean has the capacity to be all of these things, and yet is none of them. We force our interpretations to fit a limited repetoire of contexts.

I don't feel picked on. I feel a desire to defend my position. The only thing that I am asserting is that none of us knows exactly how the OWO or the PTB or the Shadow Government or whatever you want to call it works. I have not claimed that I "know" that there are satanists and pedophiles in the upper echelons of our government. I would say that the evidence suggests it (if anyone wants supporting evidence just PM me for links). I am saying that the military's admitted participation in black ops and secret operations, and it's secretive nature in general, calls into question this supposition that the military would have the same rules for it's secret teams as it does for it's publicly acknowledged teams. I think that the rules would be very different for classified non-acknowledged navy seal teams than they would be for a publicly acknowledged navy seal team. I think. I don't know. My point is that nobody knows. I don't know. best lion doesn't know. and you don't know. We don't know FOR SURE anyway... I was, and will continue, pointing out the difference between evidence and speculation. See where I'm coming from? I don't claim to know. I claim that none of us, except maybe those who were part of this specific alleged secret team, knows. Which may not not even exist therefore there is no way to know for sure. My purpose has always been, if you trace it back to my very first post on this thread, to stop all this speculation and just convince people to wait until we have more information.

DreamsInDigital
27th January 2012, 22:39
@ TargeT

Actually, Project Looking Glass is real, it existed or might still exist. It was part of the Project Montauk and the other associated "Black Projects" like Project Stargate, etc. There's actual documents on sites like Bibliotechapleyades and other sites if you google "Project Looking Glass."

aranuk
27th January 2012, 22:59
I'm saying that some people can't comprehend the motives even if you explain it to them simply. see what i mean?

I'm sorry, while I did quote your post I was not really speaking to you in that responce, I'm very cognicent of the public nature of these posts and generaly structure my writing for larger audiences.

I used you to make my own point, I apologize :)



I listened to both interviews. Some was credible some not.
What sounded fishy to me was his analogy about turning something around - he said something like "driving a boat"
Wouldn't it be more Navy-like to say "steering a ship"?
this was in the second interview about half way.

Yea I have to agree with dream in digital. That is a pretty silly technicality that doesn't mean much IMO.

but it IS based more on fact than any information on "project looking glass" (I'm not very well versed in this topic, but I guarentee you there is no hard evidence right? just hear-say? I'd put money on that being the case, though that does not prove or disprove much really, but it IS a factor.....) or many of the other things we discuss here... so as far as "silly goes" when we work with such slippery topics any gripping point (such as terminology used, manarism, body language, lack of documentation (or false documentation) etc..) is really all we have to work with as far as Discernment is concerned. (and thats what I see this thread as.. an exersize in discernment).

I mainly act on my intuition then find reasons to that others can accept to explain my position..

I FEEL he is a fraud (same with wilford and fulcock) and as such I start to analyse what is offered... the whole picture includes "silly technicalities" as well :)

It is clear by now that I am one of the ones who enjoyed the video. But I am following Target's logic and he makes sense to me, more so in his more recent posts. This driving a boat description I missed in the three hour long video, but I will take the word that he said it. My old man now passed on 13 yrs was in the navy during the war as an able seaman. He loved the war. He spoke about all his adventures. He would NEVER have said "driving a boat" he would have said steering a ship. He knew the difference between a boat and a ship. Two men in a boat 200 men in a ship.

Stan

aranuk
27th January 2012, 23:07
I hope my agreeing with you does not diminish this excellent point made by you.

Oh man, I can only imagine what the two of us together in a bar would produce... probably an empty room due to heavy use of sarcasim & dry wit... hahaha

Could I join you both? I would like that. Yanow we would be the best of pals.

Stan

PS I'm sure Target would look after us old buggers Modwiz from the rest of the people at the bar.

TargeT
27th January 2012, 23:09
@ TargeT

Actually, Project Looking Glass is real, it existed or might still exist. It was part of the Project Montauk and the other associated "Black Projects" like Project Stargate, etc. There's actual documents on sites like Bibliotechapleyades and other sites if you google "Project Looking Glass."

documents of the names of the projects, their purpose, the equipment used & the outcome or documents describing a concept that may or may not have been acted on?

I'll have to look into that one more, as I said I'm not well versed... However:

... I swim in government documents all the time, I helped author a 500 page study on massive earth quakes in alaska, bridge collapses & how to react to it, this involved details that if ever read by someone "else" that wasn't aware this was a "sand box" exersize (training, conceptualization... :) ) they would have thought it actually happened and we actually stoped "looting gangs" etc....

That was called Vigilant Guard & if I spun the info the right way and offered documents I could have a lot of people believeing that Alaska had a major earth quake & thousands of people died.. ( I even have "fake" news clips etc.. from the exersize)

DreamsInDigital
27th January 2012, 23:16
You know, seriously it's impossible to send a logger into a forest to cut wood, when he can't even see the trees right infront of him. I'm not playing your games, or anyone else in this thread. It's ultimately irrelevant whether you believe those projects actually exist or don't. I know they do, I've seen the documentation, actual photos of the equipment used etc.. so continue playing your reindeer games. I've got better things to do than sit here talking in circles with someone in an unproductive manner. Anyone that wants to see for them selves those projects are real, can just research. I've given more than enough leads to people to find out the truth on their own.

MHRD
27th January 2012, 23:18
So, 27 pages of discussion and VERY little discussion of the message; more about what is wrong/right with messenger. We will never get anywhere if this continues..........................

DreamsInDigital
27th January 2012, 23:20
Well said MHRD, and then ofcourse those that try to move the conversation onto the important aspects of a thread or topic always get their heads bit off.

Ixopoborn
27th January 2012, 23:23
Well said MHRD, and then ofcourse those that try to move the conversation onto the important aspects of a thread or topic always get their heads bit off.

I could not agree more Dreams! Let's see if we can focus on the issues of Bill Wood's testimony.

Nenuphar
27th January 2012, 23:26
So, 27 pages of discussion and VERY little discussion of the message; more about what is wrong/right with messenger. We will never get anywhere if this continues..........................

I couldn't agree more.

Cilka
27th January 2012, 23:30
Hello Everyone,
I am not sure about you guys but after viewing Bill Wood's testimony I felt that there was something not OK with this guy. It's not that he was telling us only lies, he just did not seem like someone whose intentions were ALL positive; he seemed to be targeting David, like Bill W was grooming David for something. I could be just paranoid. Did anyone of you feel get any weird vibes from him? Or maybe it's just me.

TargeT
27th January 2012, 23:34
You know, seriously it's impossible to send a logger into a forest to cut wood, when he can't even see the trees right infront of him. I'm not playing your games, or anyone else in this thread. It's ultimately irrelevant whether you believe those projects actually exist or don't. I know they do, I've seen the documentation, actual photos of the equipment used etc.. so continue playing your reindeer games. I've got better things to do than sit here talking in circles with someone in an unproductive manner. Anyone that wants to see for them selves those projects are real, can just research. I've given more than enough leads to people to find out the truth on their own.


I don't care what you choose to question or not question, the validity of what he speaks of can be looked at seperately & apparently has (I'm just behind).

I don't know what games your speaking of, my message has been very clear (IMO?) & backed up by experience, (testimony?) and my attempt at logic.... I have as much (or more) credability than B.W....


if you think its irrelivant to corroborate the facts of a witness, if you think its a waste of time to find truth or lies in what he says.... I guess we live in very different worlds, you and I... I choose to K N O W as much as I can (which is basically nothing.. I know how to ask questions, haha)


I don't understand this vitriol, I don't see the frustration... you have to "vette" a witness, or ANYthing/body you are going to TRUST in some way.

are you saying this should not be done?

I've seen a lot of marginilization from people against the few that are actualy doing someting productive in this thread, you don't have to read it :-) I happen to like posting because I can go back and read it and gain a little more isight into who I am...


yes, he could be exactly what he says he is.. but what's the point of even SAYING that? I could be a millionare! but what are the facts ....... what is most probible based on the information at hand; that is what I'm looking for.



Well said MHRD, and then ofcourse those that try to move the conversation onto the important aspects of a thread or topic always get their heads bit off.


did you WATCH the interview?

what exactly do you deem "the important aspects" please, feel free to guide the conversation that way!

Lazlo
27th January 2012, 23:35
So, 27 pages of discussion and VERY little discussion of the message; more about what is wrong/right with messenger. We will never get anywhere if this continues..........................

I'll bite, in hopes of getting a good quality conversation going again. May I suggest, that for the time being, we assume that the messenger is anonymous. Allrighty then:

The US government uses special forces to do things that would be considered acts of war / illegal according to international law if they were acknowledged. No surprises here, so... moving on

Looking glass is real but was shut down for other reasons than those given by Dan Burisch. "Why keep looking at the future if it keeps telling us the same thing, which we don't like anyway."

We are powerful sprirtual beings and the truth is hidden from us (That's a good nod to just about every alternate forum on the web) Ditto for the "revelation" that there is a US Space Fleet.

Really, Really big things are coming this year and we will all be ascending in some form or another.

"Be a good person and do good things, but otherwise sit back and enjoy the ride, because me and DW have some big secrets and confirmations that we just can't share...Sorry about that, but it's for your own good...Free will and all, you know?"

The good guys have already won, but there is still going to be some death and destruction while the game plays out.

I'm probably forgetting something from the 4 1/2 hours of testimony (probably more like 3 total if you edit out DW).

What should we discuss?

I'm not being totally facetious here, I am just trying to figure out where we should go next, as there wasn't much that I can think of that was new.

aranuk
27th January 2012, 23:35
So what is our conclusion then? Is Bill Whateverishisname's testimony believable? Or not? I don't honestly think it is 100% true. But what the heck is anyone's?

Stan

aranuk
27th January 2012, 23:39
I posted mine Lazlo before I saw yours and in essence I think we are in agreement.

Stan

Cilka
27th January 2012, 23:44
My intuition is telling me that Bill Wood is a mole. I could be wrong, I don't have proof. Time will tell.

TargeT
27th January 2012, 23:47
So, 27 pages of discussion and VERY little discussion of the message; more about what is wrong/right with messenger. We will never get anywhere if this continues..........................

I'll bite, in hopes of getting a good quality conversation going again. May I suggest, that for the time being, we assume that the messenger is anonymous. Allrighty then:

The US government uses special forces to do things that would be considered acts of war / illegal according to international law if they were acknowledged. No surprises here, so... moving on

Looking glass is real but was shut down for other reasons than those given by Dan Burisch. "Why keep looking at the future if it keeps telling us the same thing, which we don't like anyway."

We are powerful sprirtual beings and the truth is hidden from us (That's a good nod to just about every alternate forum on the web) Ditto for the "revelation" that there is a US Space Fleet.

Really, Really big things are coming this year and we will all be ascending in some form or another.

"Be a good person and do good things, but otherwise sit back and enjoy the ride, because me and DW have some big secrets and confirmations that we just can't share...Sorry about that, but it's for your own good...Free will and all, you know?"

The good guys have already won, but there is still going to be some death and destruction while the game plays out.

I'm probably forgetting something from the 4 1/2 hours of testimony (probably more like 3 total if you edit out DW).

What should we discuss?

I'm not being totally facetious here, I am just trying to figure out where we should go next, as there wasn't much that I can think of that was new.

I think thats a pretty good summary of the topics covered.. to me there isn't a lot to dicuss is there? (I personally assumed thats why the witness himself was talked about so much, but I guess I forget that not everyone watched the whole thing)

modwiz
27th January 2012, 23:51
I really feel that what matters most, the outcome in the very near future is about all of us and our characters and not Bill Woods'. Our infighting, however minor it is, helps those whose small numbers depend on us being distracted and as divided as possible. Whatever date, whatever destiny, in the future we are hurtling towards, the trajectory is being determined by us, in the here and now.

Use it as you see fit.

Cilka
27th January 2012, 23:56
I really feel that what matters most, the outcome in the very near future is about all of us and our characters and not Bill Woods'. Our infighting, however minor it is, helps those whose small numbers depend on us being distracted and as divided as possible. Whatever date, whatever destiny, in the future we are hurtling towards, the trajectory is being determined by us, in the here and now.

Use it as you see fit.
Well said Modwiz.

christian
28th January 2012, 00:10
I'll bite, in hopes of getting a good quality conversation going again. May I suggest, that for the time being, we assume that the messenger is anonymous. Allrighty then:

The US government uses special forces to do things that would be considered acts of war / illegal according to international law if they were acknowledged. No surprises here, so... moving on

Looking glass is real but was shut down for other reasons than those given by Dan Burisch. "Why keep looking at the future if it keeps telling us the same thing, which we don't like anyway."

We are powerful sprirtual beings and the truth is hidden from us (That's a good nod to just about every alternate forum on the web) Ditto for the "revelation" that there is a US Space Fleet.

Really, Really big things are coming this year and we will all be ascending in some form or another.

"Be a good person and do good things, but otherwise sit back and enjoy the ride, because me and DW have some big secrets and confirmations that we just can't share...Sorry about that, but it's for your own good...Free will and all, you know?"

The good guys have already won, but there is still going to be some death and destruction while the game plays out.

I'm probably forgetting something from the 4 1/2 hours of testimony (probably more like 3 total if you edit out DW).

What should we discuss?

I'm not being totally facetious here, I am just trying to figure out where we should go next, as there wasn't much that I can think of that was new.

Sums it up pretty well.

Maybe the solution is not to discuss, when substantial evidence cannot be produced out of nothing.

So all let's continue being of service in the real world and appreciate this lesson in discernment.

:cool:

onawah
28th January 2012, 00:12
The dynamic that goes on these days after a disclosure is different than it used to be, and I think it does have to do with the "witnesses" (us) realizing more and more what an active role we play in this whole scenario.
It's rather like Nassim Haramein when he asks about the picture on the blackboard of the Universe as a bubble that is being blown up by an imaginary guy. The oldschool physicists claim the Universe is the bubble with all the little galaxies fixed on the surface of the bubble, but the guy in the picture doesn't signify at all in their scenario.
But Nassim is the wise Fool who says, "What I want to know is: WHO is THIS guy?"
When we ask that question, suddenly we go from a very limited perspective to one with much greater dimension, and one that is much closer to reality.

Which is what I think BW and DW were trying to point out, when they said that we will understand much better by the end of this year.
Not because of any particular event, but because our understanding is changing.
We are not just witnesses, we are CREATORS!

Whitehaze
28th January 2012, 00:20
Just an FYI and not meant to start anything, we just finished up an interview with Don Shipley a real Navy SEAL. He covered much information on the US Navy SEALs and William N Brockbrader aka Bill Wood. I hope this information will be useful and I will post it here when as soon as it is available.

onawah
28th January 2012, 00:25
Would you give us a quick summation, Whitehaze?
Thanks!

Whitehaze
28th January 2012, 00:34
Would you give us a quick summation, Whitehaze?
Thanks!

Don gave us much information on his background and what he did as a Navy SEAL and what his role is now. He also goes on to explain what he does in regards to exposing false SEALs, and to what lengths he is willing to go and how. He speaks of how it impacts the SEALs and their families. He goes into how missions work, top secret clearences and such. He covered everything about the SEALs, and can provide documentation for everyone to see to prove he is who says he is. All in all it is a very informative interview by Don Shipley.

Edit to add: He also explains how this particular individual made it to top of the list.

christian
28th January 2012, 00:43
Would you give us a quick summation, Whitehaze?
Thanks!

Don gave us much information on his background and what he did as a Navy SEAL and what his role is now. He also goes on to explain what he does in regards to exposing false SEALs, and to what lengths he is willing to go and how. He speaks of how it impacts the SEALs and their families. He goes into how missions work, top secret clearences and such. He covered everything about the SEALs, and can provide documentation for everyone to see to prove he is who says he is. All in all it is a very informative interview by Don Shipley.

From the letter that was posted before in this thread Don Shipley states, that there are no secret SEAL teams.
So he either has no knowledge of those or he is a liar (or secret SEAL teams do really not exist).
So I don't expect anything from this interview, that would help to figure out the truth of Bill Wood's claims.
Just more of the same that was going on over all the last pages.

Whitehaze
28th January 2012, 00:49
Would you give us a quick summation, Whitehaze?
Thanks!

Don gave us much information on his background and what he did as a Navy SEAL and what his role is now. He also goes on to explain what he does in regards to exposing false SEALs, and to what lengths he is willing to go and how. He speaks of how it impacts the SEALs and their families. He goes into how missions work, top secret clearences and such. He covered everything about the SEALs, and can provide documentation for everyone to see to prove he is who says he is. All in all it is a very informative interview by Don Shipley.

From the letter that was posted before in this thread Don Shipley states, that there are no secret SEAL teams.
So he either has no knowledge of those or he is a liar (or secret SEAL teams do really not exist).
So I don't expect anything from this interview, that would help to figure out the truth of Bill Wood's claims.
Just more of the same that was going on over all the last pages.

Well you have made up your mind already, expect nothing and get nothing. He does explain those claims quite clearly, and is extremely knowledgable in this area.

TargeT
28th January 2012, 01:11
Would you give us a quick summation, Whitehaze?
Thanks!

Don gave us much information on his background and what he did as a Navy SEAL and what his role is now. He also goes on to explain what he does in regards to exposing false SEALs, and to what lengths he is willing to go and how. He speaks of how it impacts the SEALs and their families. He goes into how missions work, top secret clearences and such. He covered everything about the SEALs, and can provide documentation for everyone to see to prove he is who says he is. All in all it is a very informative interview by Don Shipley.

From the letter that was posted before in this thread Don Shipley states, that there are no secret SEAL teams.
So he either has no knowledge of those or he is a liar (or secret SEAL teams do really not exist).
So I don't expect anything from this interview, that would help to figure out the truth of Bill Wood's claims.
Just more of the same that was going on over all the last pages.

Well you have made up your mind already, expect nothing and get nothing. He does explain those claims quite clearly, and is extremely knowledgable in this area.
I sort of agree with Whitehaze, it seems you've decided already, but just for fun I'll offer this:

well, he is (was) a Navey seal, & we have NOT had that perspective here, so far i've seen two army guys & no one from the navy (though I think a USMC wife has posted... still not the same).

I HIGHLY DOUBT there are "secret seal teams" why would you keep the team secret? thats NOT how it works.. the MISSIONS are classified, the ASSETS are treated like that.. things.. not "insiders" & usualy not even "trusted employees" they are treated like assets & this works very well for command staff as they get to de-huminize the troops & can more easily send them todo terrible things (IMO on the terrible part).

most of this "black op" stuff, the "idea" that seems to be in most peoples heads is more of the flavor of NSA, CIA, etc.. THEY have some pretty crazy ways of working & I often wonder how the agencies stay together with so much distrust, secrecy & in fighting.

humanalien
28th January 2012, 02:19
Assuming that BW and DW are telling the truth, how were they
able to get hold of information that is so highly top secret that
it would transcend any classification system that we got?

This is the type of info that the ptw would be holding on to for
dear life and it would mean certain death for anyone trying to
steal it or anyone trying to spread the info around.

How is it that BW and DW are still alive after spreading this info
around? How is it that PC and PA are still up and running after
doing the interview?

The answer is simple. The whole story is bs, just the way the
ptw want it.

spiritguide
28th January 2012, 02:26
Well x Navy here. My question is how come there was not a big bug-a-boo about the supposed seal that defamed Jessy Ventura a few weeks ago when he stated he punched him out in a bar? Has he been verified as a seal? How could he have done this when Jesse wasn't there? Isn't this a case of another seal lying. No one person in the Navy past or present knows of everything that is going on and you will not get a straight answer about anything unless you have a need to know. I did hear BW say that all hell would break loose tomorrow once the PTW saw the interview and it sure has here. Intelligence agencies run the show and the services are just the go-for's. There are many double blinds in the psych-op game and it seems that some folks here cannot see that. Yes I have a DD214 and my security classification is not listed and mine was ATS. So let the courts figure it out because posing as a phony of military stature is a federal offense there are a few case precedences on this. Kerry said she welcomes that attempt so she is not worried about her community. STOP YELLING ABOUT UNFOUNDED FACTS PLEASE.

Back to the discussion of the message within the video of converging timelines now that's exciting.

:peace:

DreamsInDigital
28th January 2012, 02:26
Because there are still forces and people that are much bigger and much "higher" up than the PTW. And, likely have told them to leave DW , BW, PA, PC and BF the hell alone. Remember the Little Fish, Medium Fish, BIG Fish annology? That was a good one.

sleepy
28th January 2012, 02:27
xxxxx xxxxxx

onawah
28th January 2012, 02:42
OR, you could conclude that Kerry and DW and many other whistleblowers are right in their practice of putting everything they know out there, because there would be so much negative publicity for TPTW if anything should happen to them.
A practice that has been followed now for quite a few years, to our great benefit.

Assuming that BW and DW are telling the truth, how were they
able to get hold of information that is so highly top secret that
it would transcend any classification system that we got?

This is the type of info that the ptw would be holding on to for
dear life and it would mean certain death for anyone trying to
steal it or anyone trying to spread the info around.

How is it that BW and DW are still alive after spreading this info
around? How is it that PC and PA are still up and running after
doing the interview?

The answer is simple. The whole story is bs, just the way the
ptw want it.

Khaleesi
28th January 2012, 02:50
Hey I just found a great quote on someones page:

a memorable quote:
“It is the right and the duty of everyone who seeks the truth to doubt, investigate and consider all available evidence. Wherever this doubting and investigating is forbidden; wherever authorities demand unquestioning belief -- there is evidence of a profane arrogance, which arouses our suspicions. If those whose contentions are questioned had truth on their side, they would patiently answer all questions. Certainly they would not continue to conceal evidence and documents which pertain to the controversy. If those who demand belief are lying, however, they will call for a judge. By this ye shall know them. He who tells the truth is calm and composed, but he who lies demands worldly justice.” -- The Catholic pastor Viktor R. Knirsch of Kahlenbergerdorf in Austria

TargeT
28th January 2012, 02:55
Hey I just found a great quote on someones page:

a memorable quote:
“It is the right and the duty of everyone who seeks the truth to doubt, investigate and consider all available evidence. Wherever this doubting and investigating is forbidden; wherever authorities demand unquestioning belief -- there is evidence of a profane arrogance, which arouses our suspicions. If those whose contentions are questioned had truth on their side, they would patiently answer all questions. Certainly they would not continue to conceal evidence and documents which pertain to the controversy. If those who demand belief are lying, however, they will call for a judge. By this ye shall know them. He who tells the truth is calm and composed, but he who lies demands worldly justice.” -- The Catholic pastor Viktor R. Knirsch of Kahlenbergerdorf in Austria

this is pretty much how I've lived my life the last 7 years...

go a head, tell me NOT to do something, thats the FIRST THING I am going to do.... haha being a contrarian for the RIGHT reasons is very liberating :)


awesome quote.

Whitehaze
28th January 2012, 03:06
Whitehaze,
I look forward to this interview. I am all for vetting information. I don't think that examining a story is akin to acting like a "pack of wolves". I have not attacked the messenger but I have found big discrepancies in the message. It deserves a closer look.


There are two sides to a coin, and then there is the edge of it. All sides are worthy of investigating, leave no stone unturned. On one side of the coin you have someone claiming to be a SEAL with no documentation provided to back said claim. On the other side of the coin you have someone who can prove he is a SEAL with a plethora of documentation to back it up. The edge is covered by the latter of the two.

All I am suggesting is to consider all the evidence provided from all sources. When one begins to shut out any information they are shutting themselves off. Keep in mind that the powers that be asked human beings to take their word unchecked for a very long time.

sleepy
28th January 2012, 03:09
[xxxxx xxxxxx

Whitehaze
28th January 2012, 04:19
http://nexus.2012info.ca/radio/Nexus%20Interview%20-%20Don%20Shipley%20-%20Ex%20navy%20Seal.mp3

DNA
28th January 2012, 04:20
I will say this in Bill Wood's defense, he doesn't really seem to know his audience, which would back up the idea that he isn't some well groomed liar. If he knew his audience he wouldn't waste his breath with the 9/11 stuff, he is preaching to the choir on that one.

Bill Woods does seem rather uncomfortable in his own skin, and he talks in a lot of high strained falsetto, which tends to indicate the vocal chords are stressed due to not being truthfull.

But, there could be another reason as well.
Though Wilcock loves to reference the Montaulk chair, there is information about that chair that Wilcock omits (purposely) because of the darkness and unsavory elements associated.
If Stewart Swerdlow, Preston Nichols and Duncan Cameron (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Duncan_Cameron_(time_traveler)&action=edit&redlink=1) are correct, and they are the original tellers of this tale, not Wilcock, then one thing and one thing alone powered the Montaulk chair, and that is the psychic energy that erupted from the fractured psyches of tortured preadolescent boys. And when I say tortured, I mean tortured, I could barely get through Swerdlows book on this stuff and I shall not recant the specifics.

I mention this, because it seems like folks who are ushered into this black project stuff are indoctrinated as children with the MKultra treatments, which include this torture and psyche fracturing procedure.

It is apparent in Duncan Offinion who is still in a child ego state as a result of his emotional growth being stunted due to the MKultra treatments.
Duncan bless his soul, talks like a child if you listen to his voice, and he honestly sounds nine years old to me. This is no disrespect to Duncan, it is just a comment on how this stuff solidifies the reciepient at whatever age they were when it(the abuse) happened.

I say all of this because if Bill Wood was going to be used to access looking glass, he is in the age group where he would have been groomed for it as a child, and wether he remembers it (and some don't, listen to the story of Aaron McCollum) or not, most of this trauma based mind fracturing used via MKultra is rooted in sexual abuse according to folks who have lived to tell the tale like Cathy O'Brien.

And it also stands that if he was MKultra mind damaged, it is possible that he may have some of the negative side effects that are accociated with children who are sexually abused, which is, they become sexual abusers with a slant towards pedophilia themselves.
Thus the allegations of his statutory rape charge may not only be true, it may actually cooberate and validate his story in some ways. And, it may contribute to why his voice is so high pitched, such a high pitch would be associated with a pre-pubescent voice and that also is common in folks who have had abuse as a child.

This is all conjecture on my part.
None of it is substantial enough for me to really make an argument for, but I feel it worth mentioning for consideration.

Selene
28th January 2012, 04:26
Wow – a troll convention on this very thread! Vastly amusing to see you all gathered here in your true colors.

You know who you are, of course.

Cheers!

Selene

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8987/msensingapresence.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/msensingapresence.jpg/)

modwiz
28th January 2012, 05:02
Wow – a troll convention on this very thread! Vastly amusing to see you all gathered here in your true colors.

You know who you are, of course.

Cheers!

Selene

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8987/msensingapresence.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/msensingapresence.jpg/)

You're too funny.

Lazlo
28th January 2012, 06:05
http://nexus.2012info.ca/radio/Nexus%20Interview%20-%20Don%20Shipley%20-%20Ex%20navy%20Seal.mp3

I just finished listening to this all of the way through. It'll be interesting to watch this play out. I get the feeling that if BW/Brockbrader gets presented with hard evidence and still sticks to his story, that there are people out there that are not going to drop it.

I did catch an inconsistency by Don Shipley (I'm not picking at his integrity here) Early on he said that he thought that BW was in the Navy, was an FC Tech, and that he was assigned to an Arleigh Burke Class Destroyer. Later he said something to the effect that if his FOIA request didn't return anything then it would just lead to peopel claiming that the gov't scrubbed his records. I don't in any way think this means that Don has any doubts about his conclusions.

Of special interest to me was Don's ruminations that the "heavy hitters" from the oathkeepers might take exception to BW claiming to have their support.

However BW said that he "liked to call them / think of them as oathkeepers" not that they were the same as the public group. I'm not sure that the guys in the Oathkeepers will make the distinction, and they might be just as bad to have on your tail as Don.

Thanks Whitehaze.

BestLion
28th January 2012, 09:29
Posted on Dons Facebook site and has 60 comments about this guy> Don is still holding to the fact that he was never a seal>
http://www.facebook.com/don.shipley
He seems to really be adding to the creditation of PC. :rolleyes:

PROJECT CAMELOT : BILL WOOD : Interview with a Phony Navy SEAL. Phony Navy SEAL
An interview with an (PHONY) ex-Navy Seal

William N. Brockbrader AKA BILL BROCK AKA WILLIAM BROCKBRADER joined the Navy in July 1991. Brockbrader engaged in sex with a minor, and he went to a General Court Martial for rape.

Conviction Date: 04/20/1998
Offense Description: MILITARY - 99.99M, RAPE; 3RD DEGREE FELONY
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 165
Eye Color: GREEN
Hair Color: BROWN
Id Marks: TATTOO ON R_BICEP (TRIBAL ARM BAND)
Source Agency State: UT
Registration Number: 5359
School Address:
Release Date: 20031001
Criminal Offense - UT
Name: WILLIAM N BROCKBRADER
Address: 1565 PLATA WAY # SANDY, SANDY, UT 84093-2376 (Salt Lake COUNTY)
Conviction Date: 04/20/1998
Degree Of Offense: F3
Counts: 1
Offense Description: STATUTORY RAPE
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 165
Eye Color: GREEN
Hair Color: BROWN
Id Marks: Unavailable
Source Agency State: UT
Address Date: 20080102

IAW military regulations, Carnal Knowledge of a Minor who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 years, is punishable by Dishonorable Discharge, Forfeiture of all Pay and Allowances, and Confinement for up to 20 years.

Brockbrader spent at least THREE years in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas; the last six months was spent in the Psychological Ward according to him.
http://www.offendex.com/directory/UT/B/WILLIAM_NEWEL_BROCKBRADER_298689

He has returned to Salt Lake City, Utah and worked in construction, and at a medical laser firm. He's a registered sex offender in Utah.
Conviction Date: 04/20/1998
Offense Description: MILITARY - 99.99M, RAPE; 3RD DEGREE FELONY
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 165
Eye Color: GREEN
Hair Color: BROWN
Id Marks: TATTOO ON R_BICEP (TRIBAL ARM BAND)
Source Agency State: UT
Registration Number: 5359
School Address:
Release Date: October 1st, 2003... TWO Years and four months difference...
CONVICTION DATE 4-20-1998 Release date November 1, 2003
Brockbrader has been all over the Internet with some bizarre stories about being a member of SEAL TEAM NINE, being trained in PSI abilities/skills in Area 51, and about having killed hundreds of innocent people by targeting them with Tomahawk missiles! He's done a live interview on LIVETREAM about this crap, and he has a 2 ½ hour video about it all on YouTube.

So... Brockbrader never went to BUD/S, was never a SEAL, he's not listed in the SEAL database, he was found guilty of having sex with a minor child, he did time in Leavenworth, he was dishonorably discharged, and he is a registered sex offender.
CgtXjRwtfyE

christian
28th January 2012, 09:29
From the letter that was posted before in this thread Don Shipley states, that there are no secret SEAL teams.
So he either has no knowledge of those or he is a liar (or secret SEAL teams do really not exist).
So I don't expect anything from this interview, that would help to figure out the truth of Bill Wood's claims.
Just more of the same that was going on over all the last pages.

Well you have made up your mind already, expect nothing and get nothing. He does explain those claims quite clearly, and is extremely knowledgable in this area.

My point is, that Don Shipley has made his mind up already.

Those were Don's comments he made on facebook when the initial interview came out:


I'll ask everyone who gives a **** about this PHONY SEAL, to sign up and log in and we'll all BLAST his ass shortly...

He and that Kerry Cassidy are on the ropes... NOW is the time to attack on YouTube... That video has over 100,000 views in six-days... Leave a comment... WE KNOW who he is... BLAST HIS ASS...

no comment


Hey I just found a great quote on someones page:

a memorable quote:
“It is the right and the duty of everyone who seeks the truth to doubt, investigate and consider all available evidence. Wherever this doubting and investigating is forbidden; wherever authorities demand unquestioning belief -- there is evidence of a profane arrogance, which arouses our suspicions. If those whose contentions are questioned had truth on their side, they would patiently answer all questions. Certainly they would not continue to conceal evidence and documents which pertain to the controversy. If those who demand belief are lying, however, they will call for a judge. By this ye shall know them. He who tells the truth is calm and composed, but he who lies demands worldly justice.” -- The Catholic pastor Viktor R. Knirsch of Kahlenbergerdorf in Austria

Why don't you say you found it on my page, bearing grudges?

I'm all for it, note that Bill Wood doesn't ask anyone to believe him nor does he call for any judges. He says that he cannot present certain documentation because he either does not have it or cannot do so safely. Doesn't mean I am sold on his story. Now who's actually demanding worldy justice and that they be believed in this case and who's calm and composed?

UPDATE:

I just started listening to Don's interview. He says he has the records of everyone who has ever gone through SEAL training. And if he doesn't have, he calls just up the Naval Special Warfare Command, and they just tell him. - Give me a break :biggrin1:

Mad Hatter
28th January 2012, 09:37
Mad Hatter dons his practical hat...

So 7 billion people on one timeline are going to meet up with the same 7 billion people on another timeline (allow for as many timelines as you perceive) all at the same time and place. Personally I find that a fascinating concept which beggs a few questions...

Do I look forward to physically meeting multiple me's?

Any volunteers for being in charge of the seating arrangements?

If, for some reason, some are late to the party will they still be welcomed?

Would this be a virtual me meet and greet because a multiverse is revealed for all to see?

What do I do if one of me had some bad experiences on the timeline they where on and wished to take it out on some of the more fortunate me's ?

Will the physical me on whichever timeline I'm on be inundated with all the memories of experiences my other me's had whilst traversing different timelines and if that where so might it be reasonable to argue the experience I am in for could well be considered a major dose of schizophrenia?

Hmmm...would shares in a lithium mine be an astute investment? :p

Black Panther
28th January 2012, 12:25
Haven't read all the posts, but something important I have learned from Bill Wood
is the fact that we really have to get rid of all the believe systems in our heads.
Start again with a blank paper (like David Icke also says) and than we can experience
all the mighty magical powers we already have. Like precognition, clairvoyance,
healing ourselves and others, clauraudience etc.

We just have to train those powers like we had to learn to walk, to talk and that the
capital of Thailand is ... Bangkok :p

We create this world together by believing it's just the way it is. And because that's
why the world is as it is right now most of us can't believe it can be different.

Let's remember who we are and create 'A New Earth' together!

JohnBlues
28th January 2012, 12:34
Well the truth comes shining out, I had a reservation about BW but didn't want to say anything until further information and research came out. I honestly just sense bad vibes from this fella, each to their own..

JohnBlues
28th January 2012, 12:58
Wow – a troll convention on this very thread! Vastly amusing to see you all gathered here in your true colors.

You know who you are, of course.

Cheers!

Selene

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8987/msensingapresence.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/msensingapresence.jpg/)

Sorry if I'm taking what you said the wrong way, but just because anyone takes this testimony with some healthy discernment and posting about those views & doubts for others to think about, DOES NOT make them a troll.. from what I've seen of this thread, most people who have posted, have appeared to mainly take on the "FAITH" of the testimony of Bill Wood' because of various factors, IMHO, mainly because of the support of David and Kerry, who in this community are vouched for and "verified" in most peoples minds.

In my opinion, this is like believing a statement because "Jesus said so", and to believe anything else is BLASHPHEMY..

For a group of people that should be atleast slightly more spirtually educated than the average "sheep", I see a damn LOT of ignorance.

BestLion
28th January 2012, 13:14
Sorry if I'm taking what you said the wrong way, but just because anyone takes this testimony with some healthy discernment and posting about those views & doubts for others to think about, DOES NOT make them a troll.. from what I've seen of this thread, most people who have posted, have appeared to mainly take on the "FAITH" of the testimony of Bill Wood' because of various factors, IMHO, mainly because of the support of David and Kerry, who in this community are vouched for and "verified" in most peoples minds.

In my opinion, this is like believing a statement because "Jesus said so", and to believe anything else is BLASHPHEMY..

For a group of people that should be atleast slightly more spirtually educated than the average "sheep", I see damn LOT of ignorance.
Well said. And now they are jumping on people like me as if it was Salem 1692. I even had one poster here (a civilian with no army background) say i was never in the US Army because they could not identify a class B army dress uniform. (And may i add i have many pics of me in the army, DD214, orders, medical records, past ID card etc) They take a dude (Bill Wood) who just popped up out of nowhere 10 days ago with a claim of being a former Navy Seal (whom which many real seals are skeptical about) over all else 'because as you said if Kerry and David gave their stamp of approval he must be real." Then we have real navy Seals who are saying their is no records of this man anywhere. Thus I assume these posters will likely jump and say those Navy Seals are in on the government conspiracy...Or maybe they will try to discredit real navy seals because they can not identify their uniforms.
And then because I 'with the support of many former seals, and former military men' question Bill's authenticity i am then categorized and an agent working for the secret government.
Its just gotten ridiculous!

For a group of people that should be atleast slightly more spirtually educated than the average "sheep", I see damn LOT of ignorance.
They just want so hard to believe the story, that they will go to any length.
Most of us here are just wanting truth and to put together a puzzle with all this stuff for personal truth and enlightenment.

Wow – a troll convention on this very thread! Vastly amusing to see you all gathered here in your true colors.
So any person who questions, religions, or topics that one posters doesn't agree on is a 'troll'?

Cidersomerset
28th January 2012, 13:29
Does Don Shipley believe seal team six killed Bin Laden last year anyone ???

christian
28th January 2012, 13:34
I even had one poster here (a civilian with no army background) say i was never in the US Army because they could not identify a class B army dress uniform.

If you re-read the entire conversation, you will see, that she made it very clear, that she said, if she would rely on superficial research she would say you have not even been in the army to illustrate how you did superficial research and based on that claim to be able to judge whether or not Bill's accounts about secret ops are true or not or the claim you parroted, of that I had seen no confirmation of anywhere, that the girl Bill had sex with was 12 years old.

In the interview on Nexus the interviewer asks Don about the case with the 16 year old and Don says nobody knows how old she actually was. He says the age 12 was concluded because Bill's conviction would be equal to having had sex with a 12-15 year old.


Does Don Shipley believe seal team six killed Bin Laden last year anyone ???

I didn't notice questions for him on the interview, that would shine a light on his awareness of conspiracies, it was almost like this interview could have been a press conference on CNN. The only questions that related to Area 51 or secret missions related to Bill's alleged involvement there, which Don denied and from the tone Don has when talking about Area 51 and secret missions, he leaves the impression, that from his perspective this is all tin-foil-hat nonsense.

Cidersomerset
28th January 2012, 13:51
I 'm listening to it now and from his point of view they are all imposters......But he states clearly at the start
words to the effect they are fantasists and think they are Jason Bourne ,GI Jane or in some HollyWood
blockbuster and the excuse given that their documentation is top secret does no wash with him....

Now thats fine from his paradym and he probably thinks we are all nuts on here, even the debunkers
if he read your views on other threads...LOL...no problem...

I still say wait for more info before carrying on like a bunch of 'vigilantes'.......

BestLion and others we all know where you stand on this ......Cheers Steve...

Kimberley
28th January 2012, 14:03
Haven't read all the posts, but something important I have learned from Bill Wood
is the fact that we really have to get rid of all the believe systems in our heads.
Start again with a blank paper (like David Icke also says) and than we can experience
all the mighty magical powers we already have. Like precognition, clairvoyance,
healing ourselves and others, clauraudience etc.

We just have to train those powers like we had to learn to walk, to talk and that the
capital of Thailand is ... Bangkok :p

We create this world together by believing it's just the way it is. And because that's
why the world is as it is right now most of us can't believe it can be different.

Let's remember who we are and create 'A New Earth' together!



Absolutely PERRRfect black panther!!!

jaybee
28th January 2012, 14:24
http://nexus.2012info.ca/radio/Nexus%20Interview%20-%20Don%20Shipley%20-%20Ex%20navy%20Seal.mp3

thanks for that...one thing that I especially noticed as I have thought it myself...is why would the 'Oath Keepers' use a person who is on a sex offender register to do work for them. They surely to god aren't that naive. Which makes a mockery of any claims that Brockbrader could be representing them??






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgtXjRwtfyE

thanks for sharing that...it all helps to build the bigger picture of what's going on.

When I read the comments for that vid....I'm thinking...'OMG David (Wilcock) you should distance yourself from this Brockbrader character.'

I can't help it...I'm concerned that David has been drawn into something/someone that is not good or healthy for him.


I'm considering that Brockbrader has been 'handled'...brought into this whole thing as a special PSYOPS start-of-2012 drama...but he will ultimately be thrown to the wolves.

I was trying to decide whether he was working on his own, with a view to getting some fame and more to the point..money. Or whether he is part of a set up.

Then I remember the helicopters at the beginning of the first interview...these were either a co-incidence??? (probably not)...or he was being scared off (after seeing his embarassing performance on the 2nd interview..I don't think he is a threat to the 'authorities')....OR...it was a theatre piece to make it look like he was important so that it gave him credence. This is the most likely senario IMO. Someone involved with the Intelligence Service could have asked for helicopters to go over where Kerry and Brockbrader were...without having to give the reason why?


Just trying to tie up some loose ends in my mind...because I'm almost done with all this for now. Unless there are any new developments.

Don't want to be alarmist...but in all honesty...I'm worried for David's safety.

And before anyone accuses me of fear-mongering...sorry if I'm off message :/

but that's how I feel.



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Cidersomerset
28th January 2012, 14:43
Well good interview Whitehaze and Don Shipley seems a genuine guy ..........Its tells me nothing more about BW than he told us himself in the PC vid...
Other than Don thinks BW is a liar , and from his point of view as he said Area51,Tomahawks guidance and other exotic theories do not fit into Dons world.
Again no probs .....As Don said he will get the documentation from freedom of information in three weeks and that will tell him everything about BW naval
career and he will be exposed and that will be that.....Again in Dons world thats true and he obviously does not think the government would forge
documents and run top secret seal teams..So if thats enough to convince you, and it maybe enough for BW to fold if he is a fantasist/plant trying to sell his book.

All this now puts the ball back into BW's court and if he cannot deliver, its going to be blatently obvious to Kerry, Bill R and all of us pretty soon..
The point is he has put his neck on the line and lets see what he delivers, if anything at all....

On a lighter side it reminds me of these charecters......

http://www.swotti.com/tmp/swotti/cacheY2F0Y2GGBWUGAWYGEW91IGNHBIA=RW50ZXJ0YWLUBWVUD C1NB3ZPZXM=/imgCatch%20me%20if%20you%20can%201.jpg

BestLion
28th January 2012, 14:59
I'm considering that Brockbrader has been 'handled'...brought into this whole thing as a special PSYOPS start-of-2012 drama...but he will ultimately be thrown to the wolves.

Yes I am of the opinion that this character is the one who is being used to discredit PC. And yet many here think it is the other way around. Time will tell I suppose.

Posted by Whitehaze (here)
http://nexus.2012info.ca/radio/Nexus...avy%20Seal.mp3
thanks for that...one thing that I especially noticed as I have thought it myself...is why would the 'Oath Keepers' use a person who is on a sex offender register to do work for them. They surely to god aren't that naive. Which makes a mockery of any claims that Brockbrader could be representing them??
I listened to the entire thing! And anyone who has questions about Bill Wood should listen to this 1 hour talk. All of what Don said rings true, and Don is near 100% confident this man is an imposter seal.Don goes into all kinds of stuff, from secret operations, what is released, how seals act, body language etc.. Very good interview.

Well good interview Whitehaze and Don Shipley seems a genuine guy ..........Its tells me nothing more about BW than he told us himself in the PC vid...
Half the show was about how Bill Woods body language , stuff he said, his credentials, his dates and time..how all that didn't add up. Dont forget Don said he watched the PC video with BW 6 times. So to say it tell you nothing of BW that is just ridiculous!
Lets put it this way..say you never were on PC, and heard what Don said on that show..And lets say the man posted on a John McCain interview.. You would more then likely side with Don that this guy is a fraud imposter. You and most here only are buying into this BW guys cause Kerry and David backs him. That is respectful, but maybe this guy wasn't 100% honest in dealing with Kerry and David..remember the guy spent years in the pen..and likely around lots of other con men, liars etc....He had nothing to do for years while in jail. He could have also easily picked up by fellow inmates on how to be a conman, and a good liar.
BTW i watched a few years ago on lie detecting machines, and it tested convicts..Most of them could pass a lie detector..One guy was in the penn for years and he passed a lie detector.
As Don said..just having a convicted rapist who spent year in Leavenworth to interview doesn't really do PC justice.

spiritguide
28th January 2012, 15:05
For a group of people that should be at least slightly more spiritually educated than the average "sheep", I see a damn LOT of ignorance.

Ignorance is in the eyes of the beholder. There are many perceptions to be had regarding ignorance and ego helps this run down the road. There is disagreement on this thread and all that one must do is agree to disagree once their argument is stated. If one comes here to argue, he is mistaken for EGOS are not messaged here and most of the time ignored. When entering the forum a sign said,"Check your ego here and pick it up on departure!" This house was built by Bill and Kerry and others in a selfless gesture to share and the ultimate fate of the forum is their decision. If you don't trust them or think they know not what they do, then by all means try to find another selfless area on the internet. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem, you choose. IMHO

:peace:

ljwheat
28th January 2012, 15:06
:popcorn:I am a former troll, No one could tell me I was a troll, I had to see it for myself that I was a troll, just like you can’t tell an ass he’s an ass for a better terminology. It’s like why do you need and announcer to tell you what your seeing on TV every angle of a foot ball play. You saw it your mind believes what you saw, yet you need someone to voice it blow by blow?

The president of the united states talks, you hear every single word , then you need the trolls that come on after to let you know what he really was saying?

The days when we sat around the radio, and listened to a basket ball game play by play, that’s good, but why are we still caught up in the 30’s regurgitating what we see or think no one else can see, or understand like we are the only ones present at the time this took place. that’s being a troll, regurgitating what we all heard only with YOUR twist on it.

90% of all the comments on this thread have fallen into this category, senseless gurgitations of what WE all have heard, I used to do this getting the last word in, getting high off of the push and pull of the heated comments (trolling) a good friend of mine had to pull me aside and show me what a troll is.
When I couldn’t see it, and if you come to Avalon forum they wont tolerate it. And you need to start biting your Tung, and stop getting drawn into these troll fests.

I woke up and have held my to Tung, here, and I was one of you who think your are not a troll. We do not need radio announcers anymore so now I’m retired. Namste JOhn
:director::popcorn:

jaybee
28th January 2012, 15:12
All this now puts the ball back into BW's court and if he cannot deliver, its going to be blatently obvious to Kerry, Bill R and all of us pretty soon..
The point is he has put his neck on the line and lets see what he delivers, if anything at all....


It is difficult to see what else he could say/do...unless he tries to use his 'juicy juicy' pictures, that he claims he has from Las Vegas sex and drug parties. But that could be a fatal move to make?




I'm considering that Brockbrader has been 'handled'...brought into this whole thing as a special PSYOPS start-of-2012 drama...but he will ultimately be thrown to the wolves.

Yes I am of the opinion that this character is the one who is being used to discredit PC. And yet many here think it is the other way around. Time will tell I suppose.
.

indeed it will

and just wanted to say...good work on this thread BestLion


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Cidersomerset
28th January 2012, 15:13
As I said Dons interview was good from his point of view and the body language observations are interresting ,but I noticed that at the time and I put it down to
nerves and the pressure of comming out , also having to confess to being a sex offender at the same time, it would have been more strange if he had not been
nervous imho...

As the interview went on the possibility of it being a con was there, but it also energized me, and the second interview bonding with David ,was a little worrying especially how vulnerable David probably feels,after his death threats and a bonding session between BW & DW seemed plausible and odd at the same time.....Of course BW could be a host of things,
if he turns out to be a fraud ,well he is in our parlour and we should be curtious while he is here and cross that bridge if it happens...

Cidersomerset
28th January 2012, 15:30
I agree Jaybee , then it goes back to patiance and see what happens.....I've only carried on longer than I normally would on
this thread to calm tensions down.....

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jwe0176l.jpg


Seems a bit calmer....LOL...

sdafnom
28th January 2012, 16:08
Who has the +$100 trillion agenda and the force to enforce such desires and directions?

careful how you toss that **** around.

One can (mentally) masturbate themselves wildly (I do not claim innocence) within the scope of narrow vision and ideas on a personal fear and forced reality (upon others)..but they must also understand that a force of direction is also a set of blinders that is at least as big, or bigger than the thrust of intent.

I'm not falling on one side of this or another, I'm just addressing the idea of physiological and emotional thrust as a coloration that blinds..either as a purposeful act or one done in relative innocence.

Well said my friend!
Some level of intelligent is required to put things in perspective.

Cheers!

Scott
28th January 2012, 16:33
IMO it's all about transparency just follow the facts and see where they lead.

One thing is for sure Don eats lives and sleeps SEAL's, a few things about the interview I found very interesting. One was that I asked Don if anyone has contacted him backing up William Newel Brockbrader aka Bill Woods and he said "No"
Another thing I found interesting was the discussion about criminal charges and the Stolen Valor Act (Stolen Valor Act upheld on appeal) (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19839419).

More will be known as time goes on.

Don seems to be a good guy to go to to find out if someone is a Poser Navy Seal, as far as getting insites on Area 51 "ahhh not so much"

If you want to know about Area 51, Richard Dolen is giving a talk today in Toronto, which reminds me I better head out or I will miss the lecture ;p

Its a bit like saying "wft doesn't that brain surgeon know about motorcycle repair, that's a red flag to me"

Scott

BestLion
28th January 2012, 17:14
Well through all of this..even posters who have been at outs with each other can clear things up cowens66 has written written me in a PM and we cleared things up on the secret gov, military etc. And I will say I was NOT CORRECT about what i wrote about her. And I misinterpreted what she said in regards to my army service. This has been cleared up, and what i wrote about her assumptions have been void. We have worked this out.
So I owe an apology to cowens66 on taking what you wrote a little too far. I was a bit heated at the moment. My apologies!

Lazlo
28th January 2012, 17:20
The way I see it, the real tension here is between faith and facts.

In corner #1, there are those who want to see verifiable facts, and believe that said facts can and should be provided.

In corner #2, there are those who trust Kerry implicitly, and regardless of what documents are presented, will hold to the belief that the government has altered records to hide the truth. Even if BW were to come out and says that he made it all up, the argument will be that "they got to him."

Looks like a draw.

cowens66
28th January 2012, 17:47
BestLion,

As I stated in our recent PM's I probably will not go back and try to find out what you said about my post.

Let me state here that I never meant for you or anyone else to assume that I was serious about your military service. I used your photo in that example because it was a visual and I think that helps sometimes when making a point and because it was obvious, I thought, that you had served.

I obviously didn't do a good job letting others know that I was being somewhat facetious.

I appreciate you contacting me on this and the very respectful and thoughtful way that you did.

Now I am going to stick with my decision to keep this relationship as my reality and not go searching for what might have been said.

Just as I feel BW's military or non-military service doesn't really matter in the big picture I feel that my knowing what was said by anyone about me doesn't matter to the big picture and can only serve to pull me away once again from creating the reality I would like to see for mankind. :) Be Well my friend

Selene
28th January 2012, 18:01
Sorry if I'm taking what you said the wrong way, but just because anyone takes this testimony with some healthy discernment and posting about those views & doubts for others to think about, DOES NOT make them a troll.. from what I've seen of this thread, most people who have posted, have appeared to mainly take on the "FAITH" of the testimony of Bill Wood' because of various factors, IMHO, mainly because of the support of David and Kerry, who in this community are vouched for and "verified" in most peoples minds.

In my opinion, this is like believing a statement because "Jesus said so", and to believe anything else is BLASHPHEMY..

For a group of people that should be atleast slightly more spirtually educated than the average "sheep", I see damn LOT of ignorance.
Well said. And now they are jumping on people like me as if it was Salem 1692. I even had one poster here (a civilian with no army background) say i was never in the US Army because they could not identify a class B army dress uniform. (And may i add i have many pics of me in the army, DD214, orders, medical records, past ID card etc) They take a dude (Bill Wood) who just popped up out of nowhere 10 days ago with a claim of being a former Navy Seal (whom which many real seals are skeptical about) over all else 'because as you said if Kerry and David gave their stamp of approval he must be real." Then we have real navy Seals who are saying their is no records of this man anywhere. Thus I assume these posters will likely jump and say those Navy Seals are in on the government conspiracy...Or maybe they will try to discredit real navy seals because they can not identify their uniforms.
And then because I 'with the support of many former seals, and former military men' question Bill's authenticity i am then categorized and an agent working for the secret government.
Its just gotten ridiculous!

For a group of people that should be atleast slightly more spirtually educated than the average "sheep", I see damn LOT of ignorance.
They just want so hard to believe the story, that they will go to any length.
Most of us here are just wanting truth and to put together a puzzle with all this stuff for personal truth and enlightenment.

Wow – a troll convention on this very thread! Vastly amusing to see you all gathered here in your true colors.
So any person who questions, religions, or topics that one posters doesn't agree on is a 'troll'?

Well, well, well. You throw out some bait – and look what comes up….! I didn’t identify anyone. You identified yourself.


You know who you are, of course.

It’s self-evident that PA should be well-stocked with disinfo types and attack drones ready to take down (or attempt to) any real whistleblower who comes forward with credible information. That’s to be expected, and Bill Woods is a real big target. But you guys are just funnier and more amateur than watching a bunch of cats chase a catnip mouse.

Really, the ol’ “show your military records, sir” dodge wore out with Bob Lazar and Dan Burisch – or perhaps you didn’t know that? And yes, he’s a registered sex offender – he said so - but didn’t you know that every high level clearance person must have a ‘gotcha’ on their record to keep them in line? Then you don’t, perhaps, know enough about military secrecy or black ops to be able to comment fairly here. You haven’t been there. “Somebody else” says: Never heard of the guy – and that’s good enough for your purposes. Get that on record, yessir. Done.

Ad hominen attacks are disinfo’s biggest giveaway. It’s the cheapest shot of all. Don’t question the material, destroy the witness. Disinfo 101. Yeah. Get out that tag team, bounce that ball back and forth. Rah, rah rah.

Like I said, too funny.

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7613/bigbirdk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/bigbirdk.jpg/)



Cheers,

Selene

AlternativeInfoJunkie
28th January 2012, 18:09
The way I see it, the real tension here is between faith and facts.

In corner #1, there are those who want to see verifiable facts, and believe that said facts can and should be provided.

In corner #2, there are those who trust Kerry implicitly, and regardless of what documents are presented, will hold to the belief that the government has altered records to hide the truth. Even if BW were to come out and says that he made it all up, the argument will be that "they got to him."

Looks like a draw.

And there are those who are agnostic about the issue but think both sides should chill out until we have more information that does not come form a source that would obviously have a vested interest in supporting a cover-up. I don't know. I don't have faith. I just don't trust the government or the military to give us the definitive answer to the question: are BW's claims true or false? It's not a matter of faith because I don't have complete trust or confidence in either conclusion. It is a matter of trust though because I don't trust the military or the government to be honest with the people about black operations.

BestLion
28th January 2012, 18:21
And there are those who are agnostic about the issue but think both sides should chill out until we have more information that does not come form a source that would obviously have a vested interest in supporting a cover-up. I don't know. I don't have faith. I just don't trust the government or the military to give us the definitive answer to the question: are BW's claims true or false? It's not a matter of faith because I don't have complete trust or confidence in either conclusion. It is a matter of trust though because I don't trust the military or the government to be honest with the people about black operations.
Wait a second!!!!!!!!!! One thing to talk about fake Bill Wood another to talk if this stuff is real! I am a seeker of truth! Fake Bill Wood or not i do think stuff posted is valid. let us not have Bill 'fake ' Wood interfere with this! Surely the US Army has many things we dont know about!

jaybee
28th January 2012, 18:36
It’s self-evident that PA should be well-stocked with disinfo types and attack drones ready to take down (or attempt to) any real whistleblower who comes forward with credible information. That’s to be expected, and Bill Woods is a real big target. But you guys are just funnier and more amateur than watching a bunch of cats chase a catnip mouse.

The question is...is Brockbrader a REAL whistleblower or not?

Or a con man...or part of a PSYOPS sting...

Yes PA, for sure is well stocked with disinfo types. But they have to play a different kind of game here. Maybe like the kind of game you are playing??????:p


Like I said, too funny.

HA........HA

cheers


no-one panic this is just a tiny tiny spat.....(sharpens claws)


JOKING !!!......;) (about the claws) :)


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jp11
28th January 2012, 18:46
I'm still not sure how to post correctly, so I ad-lib...

AlternativeInfoJunkie wrote:
I don't have complete trust or confidence in either conclusion. It is a matter of trust though because I don't trust the military or the government to be honest with the people about black operations.

Funny, I just sent a private message to someone saying much the same thing. Most of my life I've had the feeling of suspicion towards the government. And it's only gotten stronger the more I've read, seen, heard. And what I'll add to the above quote is I pretty much don't trust a damn thing they say. My thinking these days is they are all a bunch of liars, with I'm sure a few exceptions.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
28th January 2012, 18:46
And there are those who are agnostic about the issue but think both sides should chill out until we have more information that does not come form a source that would obviously have a vested interest in supporting a cover-up. I don't know. I don't have faith. I just don't trust the government or the military to give us the definitive answer to the question: are BW's claims true or false? It's not a matter of faith because I don't have complete trust or confidence in either conclusion. It is a matter of trust though because I don't trust the military or the government to be honest with the people about black operations.
Wait a second!!!!!!!!!! One thing to talk about fake Bill Wood another to talk if this stuff is real! I am a seeker of truth! Fake Bill Wood or not i do think stuff posted is valid. let us not have Bill 'fake ' Wood interfere with this! Surely the US Army has many things we dont know about!

Ugh, I don't want to start this again. BW's claims deal with the application of this esoteric technology and his alleged service as a navy seal. So if we are talking about his testimony in general we are talking about both subjects.

Paul
28th January 2012, 18:52
Ad hominen attacks are disinfo’s biggest giveaway. It’s the cheapest shot of all.
Let us focus on the topic of this thread, and not on whether other members posting here are posting in good faith or not.

Otherwise we risk engaging in such ad hominem attacks as you complain of.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
28th January 2012, 18:53
I'm still not sure how to post correctly, so I ad-lib...

AlternativeInfoJunkie wrote:
I don't have complete trust or confidence in either conclusion. It is a matter of trust though because I don't trust the military or the government to be honest with the people about black operations.

Funny, I just sent a private message to someone saying much the same thing. Most of my life I've had the feeling of suspicion towards the government. And it's only gotten stronger the more I've read, seen, heard. And what I'll add to the above quote is I pretty much don't trust a damn thing they say. My thinking these days is they are all a bunch of liars, with I'm sure a few exceptions.

Haha I feel the exact same way friend. Well put. I'm just trying to sound as objective as possible so people don't try to peg me as being in one camp or the other. I'm not on either side of the issue of whether BW's claims are true or false. I just want to stop all this name calling and speculation. "you're a fake" response: "you're a paid shill" "well you have faith and aren't concerned with facts" response: "well you blindly trust the government reports". I'm not quoting anyone in particular. that just seems to be the general tone of the discussion. My position is that we should stop with the speculation and the name calling until we have more information.

Jenci
28th January 2012, 19:27
thanks for that...one thing that I especially noticed as I have thought it myself...is why would the 'Oath Keepers' use a person who is on a sex offender register to do work for them. They surely to god aren't that naive. Which makes a mockery of any claims that Brockbrader could be representing them??




Hi Jaybee, of course they are not that naive. :)

This issue with events in the alternative media lacking in credibility has been going on a lot lately. I'm guessing there will be more. Is this part of a bigger plan to bring down the alternative media or aspects of it, by destroying all credibility?


This radio interview from a couple of weeks ago talks about the story so far on this
http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/hypesters-lies-and-mind-control-randy-maugans-on-revelations.html

Step back and look at the bigger picture.

Watch what happens.......

Jeanette

aranuk
28th January 2012, 19:39
thanks for that...one thing that I especially noticed as I have thought it myself...is why would the 'Oath Keepers' use a person who is on a sex offender register to do work for them. They surely to god aren't that naive. Which makes a mockery of any claims that Brockbrader could be representing them??




Hi Jaybee, of course they are not that naive. :)

This issue with events in the alternative media lacking in credibility has been going on a lot lately. I'm guessing there will be more. Is this part of a bigger plan to bring down the alternative media or aspects of it, by destroying all credibility?


This radio interview from a couple of weeks ago talks about the story so far on this
http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/hypesters-lies-and-mind-control-randy-maugans-on-revelations.html

Step back and look at the bigger picture.

Watch what happens.......

Jeanette

Beware of Greek Gifts.

Stan

Jenci
28th January 2012, 19:43
IMO it's all about transparency just follow the facts and see where they lead.

One thing is for sure Don eats lives and sleeps SEAL's, a few things about the interview I found very interesting. One was that I asked Don if anyone has contacted him backing up William Newel Brockbrader aka Bill Woods and he said "No"
Another thing I found interesting was the discussion about criminal charges and the Stolen Valor Act (Stolen Valor Act upheld on appeal) (http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19839419).

More will be known as time goes on.

Don seems to be a good guy to go to to find out if someone is a Poser Navy Seal, as far as getting insites on Area 51 "ahhh not so much"

If you want to know about Area 51, Richard Dolen is giving a talk today in Toronto, which reminds me I better head out or I will miss the lecture ;p

Its a bit like saying "wft doesn't that brain surgeon know about motorcycle repair, that's a red flag to me"

Scott

Thank you Scott and Charles for a great interview with Don. :)

I wasn't expecting him to talk about area 51, ATS and black ops but I think his information is useful for building the bigger picture.

One thing which interested me was his comment about talking to Kerry and giving her a question to ask WB to test whether or not he knew things which seals would be expected to know. I wonder if Kerry did this type of research before the interview? I wonder if since speaking to Don she has asked these questions? I know that David Wilcock says that his secret insider contacts say that WB is the real deal but this does not fill me with any confidence.

Well done.
And if anyone has not checked out Scott's radio interviews, please do by following the link in his signature. There's some really interesting discussions there.

Jeanette

christian
28th January 2012, 20:22
One thing which interested me was his comment about talking to Kerry and giving her a question to ask WB to test whether or not he knew things which seals would be expected to know. I wonder if Kerry did this type of research before the interview? I wonder if since speaking to Don she has asked these questions?

I would have asked Bill this question off-air. If he had given a wrong answer, I'd post a retraction. If he'd answer right, I would not ask him on air again or even mention this, except I would tell Don "Hey mate, he knew". - Now something to ponder: If Kerry would have told him that, would you expect Don to take her word for it and stop going after Bill?

Now as I'm not Kerry and as we don't know what question it was (and the interviewer didn't bother asking), we can only do what we do all the while, speculate....

CD7
28th January 2012, 20:31
Harry told paul then paul cooberated it with jim...jim saw the document, then the document went to paul and then paul cooberated it from Harry. Well then i had to go to the acme bureau of investigations and you know what bart told me at the acme bureau of investigations... that there are more documents that can then be cooberated by Harry, Paul, Jim, AND bart. As you can see now everyone can rest easy because its allll been cooberated!!!

OK....PEEPS LISTEN TO YOUR HEARRTTTTTT and just say NO to the labryinth!!!

etm567
28th January 2012, 21:12
I believe this Don Shipley is a true blue guy, and wants to preserve the honor and valor of the real seals! And I have utmost respect for that! For those how don't go to the site here is a few cuts and paste by Don Shipley>Obviously he hasn't fooled Don!


BestLion, maybe you should give a break to the exclamation marks? Check your last several posts. When you make them all exclamations, they all start to sound the same, you know? Kind of shrill?

BestLion
28th January 2012, 21:17
BestLion, maybe you should give a break to the exclamation marks
thanks ..Done for now....
let us return in a few weeks..
we will see how this plays out..

etm567
28th January 2012, 21:18
BestLion,

As I stated in our recent PM's I probably will not go back and try to find out what you said about my post.

Let me state here that I never meant for you or anyone else to assume that I was serious about your military service. I used your photo in that example because it was a visual and I think that helps sometimes when making a point and because it was obvious, I thought, that you had served.

I obviously didn't do a good job letting others know that I was being somewhat facetious.

I appreciate you contacting me on this and the very respectful and thoughtful way that you did.

Now I am going to stick with my decision to keep this relationship as my reality and not go searching for what might have been said.

Just as I feel BW's military or non-military service doesn't really matter in the big picture I feel that my knowing what was said by anyone about me doesn't matter to the big picture and can only serve to pull me away once again from creating the reality I would like to see for mankind. :) Be Well my friend

Just so you know, I read your post and it was quite clear to me what you were saying. But (as I am going backwards up this thread at the moment) BestLion is going to keep misrepresenting what you said. I wonder why he does that? I'm tempted to wonder out loud, do you think his reading comprehension is very good? But that is kind of sarcastic, and I think sarcasm is pretty nasty. So I'll refrain. But maybe his reading comprehension is a little bit selective, so that he understands what suits his line of reasoning. I don't know, obviously.

But what you said and what you meant was quite clear. And BestLion keeps saying things that are patently false about what you said.

ETM

BestLion
28th January 2012, 21:24
estLion is going to keep misrepresenting what you said. I wonder why he does that? I'm tempted to wonder out loud, do you think his reading comprehension is very good? But that is kind of sarcastic, and I think sarcasm is pretty nasty. So I'll refrain. But maybe his reading comprehension is a little bit selective, so that he understands what suits his line of reasoning. I don't know, obviously.
Done posting...let us see how this plays out, i play poker...Id go all in saying Bill Wood is a Wack JOB> Let us wait a few weeks when Don get those records Of a a sex offender whom many wish to support cause Kerry and David W...says is ok.....

AlternativeInfoJunkie
28th January 2012, 21:33
estLion is going to keep misrepresenting what you said. I wonder why he does that? I'm tempted to wonder out loud, do you think his reading comprehension is very good? But that is kind of sarcastic, and I think sarcasm is pretty nasty. So I'll refrain. But maybe his reading comprehension is a little bit selective, so that he understands what suits his line of reasoning. I don't know, obviously.
Done posting...let us see how this plays out,

YES! finally we've all agreed to just see how it plays out! Now I'm excited about the conversations we will have when we actually have some better information.

etm567
28th January 2012, 21:43
BestLion, maybe you should give a break to the exclamation marks
thanks ..Done for now....
let us return in a few weeks..
we will see how this plays out..

I haven't read this entire thread. Can't bear to, it's far too hysterical. But I have a need to say something to you, which I can't seem to convince myself to abandon.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. So is everyone else. But I would like to suggest a few thoughts for your consideration. Of course, you don't have to take them to heart. It is up to you. But this is what I have found to be true, sometimes to my embarrassment and chagrin, and sometimes to my horror:

It isn't wise to believe everything you read on the internet.

It isn't wise to believe everything the government says.

It isn't wise to believe everything the military says.

It isn't wise to believe everything that prosecutors say.

It isn't wise to believe everything your neighbors say.

It isn't even wise to believe everything the Bible says, or that history books say, or that doctors say or that drug companies say.

And of course it's downright stupid to believe everything that any politician says.

It isn't wise to leap to conclusions about another human's guilt or innocence based on something you see on the internet, no matter who seems to have put it there.

Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project? Do you have any idea how many people on death row have been proven to be innocent? That were found guilty by a jury of their "peers"? Why could such a thing happen?

Bill Wood may be guilty of this crime, or he may not be. Thankfully, I am not required to pass judgment on him. Thank God I am not on a jury deciding such a thing.

You say you are a seeker of the truth. So am I. So are most people here, I would guess. Unfortunately for us, finding the truth is a long-term project, and it rarely turns out to be what it looked like in the first place, or the second place, or even the third place.

Finally, I notice that you seem to feel the need to make people agree with you. Forget about it. Some people will agree with you and some won't.

Now, this part may be dangerously personal. I admit I'm a little bit aggravated having read this thread and wondered about the Avalon guidelines that say people are supposed to be polite and respectful, and why they never seem to require that from anyone. (Dear mods, that's just my opinion, of course.)

And from what I've read on this thread, you could pay more attention to what other people have said to you. You make yourself look bad when you misrepresent what someone else has said to or about you, as you have done repeatedly on this thread. I do not know if that is deliberate obfuscation on your part, or just careless exaggeration, or poor reading comprehension, perhaps caused by not actually reading what was said to you. But as it's been said more than once, I am left wondering why you cannot see the difference between what was said about you or to you and what you keep saying was said about you, but which was not said. To me, what you are saying is either not accurate or not true. So what does that make you guilty of? I do not know. I have no way of knowing. I cannot see into your soul, and do not know for sure what your motives are. I can believe what you say, or not. Or I can think you are perhaps behaving a little bit unconsciously. But as to what I think of you and what you say, it is just my opinion, and that is certainly true. It is just my opinion. And your opinion is just that, your opinion. You are welcome to it. But please, allow me to have mine.

I may have gone overboard here. If I did, I apologize. I have tried to be respectful.

Regards,

ETM

galilava
28th January 2012, 22:07
I do not see the big issue here - whether this guy is what he claims or he is not - what part of his message would that change - people believe in the Bible without even knowing who wrote it, right?
Now tell me - what part of his message do you have problem with -
- the bases on Mars - nothing new
- area 51 - are we arguing about what we don't know ?
- or may be the fact that the USA is bombing civilians? - come on is it really the first time you hear about it?
- or may be the fact that America is provoking wars and terrorism - the whole world knows about that except some American people
- or the 9/11 - is anyone still doubting the truth?
Really - what is the point of this thread?

Lazlo
28th January 2012, 22:08
One angle that I would like to discuss here is "what makes an expert?"

Nearly everyone is an expert in something. In my profession, I can be considered an expert. As such, I can spot a BSer from a mile away: "Yessir...you need to calibrate the flogiston capacitor with luminiferous ether flooginometer." When you spot it, you know it.

Don Shipley can be considered an expert on Navy SEALs...at least the type of SEAL that everyone can agree actually exists. He says that it is obvious that BW never went through regular SEAL training. So here we have an expert rendering an opinion.

Kerry Cassidy has been interviewing whistleblowers for years. She could be considered an expert in ascertaining the credibility of whistleblowers. She says that BW is legit, she has seen documentation, and his story corroborates other things that she has been told off the record. Another expert rendering an opinion.

We should be seeing "official" government documentation on BW/B in a couple of weeks. What expert will opine on this?

BW/B said that he can show the documentation that he was being paid while he was supposedly in Leavenworth. If it surfaces, again who wil be the expert?

See where I am going with this? It will still be a case of he said she said.

What I would like opinions on is; What would constitute definitive proof, both Pro and Con, regarding this story?

On the pro side, the documents that BW said he has would go a long way. An independent whistleblower making similar claims about the Tomahawk missions. A class photo from one of his military schools before he went ATS.

On the con side, court martial records, someone who served time with him, a photo or deployment papers- or statement by someone who was serving alongside BW in a mundane capacity when he was supposedly doing the Tomahawk missions.

No flaming please, this is really in the interest of having an unbiased conversation. Folks on both sides and in the middle: What would it take for you?

modwiz
28th January 2012, 22:32
I feel that the last half hour of the thread is the only relevant piece, for me. I resonate and 'see' the part about the time lines and a chess game already lost by the elite. When I see us bickering, rather than discussing, it makes me wonder if my 'vision' sucks. Discussions of character are the great distraction. We have our own paths to walk elegantly and finding others to walk with to a common, and hopefully better, future takes focus. What other people do that does not directly impact us in our shaping of the future and getting to it, is none of our business. Emotional triggers are booby traps on the path to a better world. They need defusing, for sure. IMO, that is private work.

So, I will now go and focus on a timeline where good and thoughtful people, who care about the Earth and other people, begin to take over management of this planet and the parasites die from lack of warm bodies to feed off of.

etm567
28th January 2012, 23:00
Seriously?
Who are we then ? Aliens?> maybe Annunakis? Maybe reptilians?

Well, gee, you are a guy on the internet. How on Earth are any of us supposed to know for absolute sure who and/or what you are? Same goes for everybody else. Except maybe for Bill and Kerry, we have a pretty good idea who they are.

Just how am supposed to know that you are who you say you are? Just wondering, not trying to make any point that you aren't who and what you say. But as to how we should know that, how should we know that? Because we should know that you are trustworthy, by watching your posts go by on a computer screen?

Same goes for everything else.

ETM

jaybee
28th January 2012, 23:19
BestLion, maybe you should give a break to the exclamation marks
thanks ..Done for now....
let us return in a few weeks..
we will see how this plays out..


It's been a long four days.....:/

It will be very interesting to see how all this plays out.

.

christian
28th January 2012, 23:33
the Avalon guidelines that say people are supposed to be polite and respectful

I find this applies not only to members mutually, but also to people being talked about. - Kind of hard at a place where people are aware of TPTW I admit, but it's possible, everyone is a player in this big game that is existence, we all change roles and experience every side of it, so eventually what goes around comes around...

I do not ask anyone to agree with this, just for your consideration.


I do not see the big issue here - Really - what is the point of this thread?

The big kahuna is the December 21st timeline issue, the way I see it. Or the events, that would make disclosure appear very insignificant, David and Bill Wood allluded to this vaguely.


What would constitute definitive proof, both Pro and Con, regarding this story?

In the best possible outcome: Humanity becoming aware of its potential and significant events to that tune unfolding over the course of this year. I do my best to make it happen.

As for documentation: It's simply a fishy area as his claims are indeed outrageous. As long as it doesn't turn out, that he is a complete lunatic, disinfo agent or something like that or that those events he mentioned happen, it will remain uncertain.


I resonate and 'see' the part about the time lines and a chess game already lost by the elite. When I see us bickering, rather than discussing, it makes me wonder if my 'vision' sucks.

:ear:

jaybee
28th January 2012, 23:40
thanks for that...one thing that I especially noticed as I have thought it myself...is why would the 'Oath Keepers' use a person who is on a sex offender register to do work for them. They surely to god aren't that naive. Which makes a mockery of any claims that Brockbrader could be representing them??




Hi Jaybee, of course they are not that naive. :)

This issue with events in the alternative media lacking in credibility has been going on a lot lately. I'm guessing there will be more. Is this part of a bigger plan to bring down the alternative media or aspects of it, by destroying all credibility?

Hi Jenci...I think they're having a good go at it and you are probably right. Like ringfencing the 'alternative crowd'....trying to keep the vibe low frequency for the long awaited 2012.



This radio interview from a couple of weeks ago talks about the story so far on this
http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/hypesters-lies-and-mind-control-randy-maugans-on-revelations.html
Jeanette

thanks for that...will listen to it over the weekend


.

AlternativeInfoJunkie
28th January 2012, 23:46
Seriously?
Who are we then ? Aliens?> maybe Annunakis? Maybe reptilians?

Well, gee, you are a guy on the internet. How on Earth are any of us supposed to know for absolute sure who and/or what you are? Same goes for everybody else. Except maybe for Bill and Kerry, we have a pretty good idea who they are.

Just how am supposed to know that you are who you say you are? Just wondering, not trying to make any point that you aren't who and what you say. But as to how we should know that, how should we know that? Because we should know that you are trustworthy, by watching your posts go by on a computer screen?

Same goes for everything else.

ETM

Let's let this one go. I agree with you but he already said he's done posting.

Ron Mauer Sr
28th January 2012, 23:56
Is it possible that a Fire Control Technician could be assigned to a Seal team?
I never heard BW say he went through Seal training, only that he was part of a Seal team.
Many are assuming that to be part of a Seal team one must be a Seal. Maybe that is valid maybe not.
My gut feelings are that the military is flexible enough to send anyone with special skills on a special mission.

Tommy
29th January 2012, 00:50
Hi all,

Good to see the discussion is progressing somewhat. I do agree that there should be more focus on the materials instead of the "who is right, who is wrong" game.

I was upset about BestLion, I admit I probably went over the top with him (by my own standards), but looking at how desperate his intentions to spread rumors and in some cases blatant lies I started to recognize a pattern from a gazillion trolling spam posts I have deleted over the past few days. I do not know for sure if it is naivety or something else that drives these kind of individuals, but some have stated directly they work for Don Shipley (work as in getting paid right?).

Don Shipley in my view is somewhat over-rated, I do not see what a low ranked (in comparison with known levels) ex NAVY Seal can contribute to this conversation, at all, except following his training (government paid training). Don has not responded to my official request for documentation, something I told him might have consequences.
Now, let's see if Don can follow through, so far what he has presented is questionable at best.. In fact considering his tactics Don Shipley and his goons are using they should be more suspicious than any WB.

On that note we did get warned that people assigned to harassing Bill Wood would follow closely and make them self known shortly after the interview.
I had just about prepared my new security systems for our sites when the interview got released, built command line style for almost 2 months before the interview got released, not because of this interview in specific, but because of increasing attacks on our servers over the past year or so.. However, there I was sitting enjoying my morning coffee in Norway a few hours after the interview apparently got uploaded the night before (US time). What I discovered was rather horrible, all our domains had DDOS type attacks directed at them, Camelot Forum was down. By the time the DDOS attacks stopped I got access to the right functions on the server again, swearing out loud because of our (previous) web-host's incapability to prevent attacks with fail-safes and crawlers.

As soon as the services was running again I noticed apache specific attacks, exploits etc.. Shortly after (like a minute) I noticed SQL (database) activity even after I soft shut-down the joomla driven site (Camelot Forum), it did not take long to see what was happening, a good old hack.. Well, I tossed the hackers out before they figured out how to get any access to our database and stopped the SQL and Apache services on our server.. Then my brand new shiny toy that I spent the last couple of months building up suddenly got a very large task ahead of it.. Well, I will not state too much about what I did different than most web-hosts, but I can tell you this; No hacker will get in without me knowing he is on the door-step (bold words, I know), no DDOS type attack can ever be delivered on our sites, and lastly, no trace of our users are left for the goons.. Encryption is "key" ;)

Thankfully after the action I described above was done with our sites they stayed up, also becoming faster as an added bonus.

So since then I have been working on improving our services further, and I am soon ready to launch a brand new Camelot portal for your convenience.

Most of this has been done while I have been handling "trolls", so let me just leave this as a testament that trolling rarely serves a purpose.

As a non person specific last statement: Trolls; You have failed, you will always fail because your masters failed you long ago...
We are not worried, we have every documentation and witness we need.
Now it is our task to get this public while keeping the safety of our witnesses and their family's in as high regard as possible.

So I guess needless to say; Stay tuned :)

Edit to add for EYES WIDE OPEN:
I hear your concerns regarding sites getting taken down. I have put in place services that avoids any SOPA\Government censorship acts, but it needs to be more deeply implemented as the tech is quite different from common server settings. At some point we might give "IP addresses" that can be typed into a browser or mirrored. Just fyi :)

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 00:57
Thanks Tommy Keep up the 'great work' ....Cheers steve...

Mad Hatter
29th January 2012, 01:00
I feel that the last half hour of the thread is the only relevant piece, for me. I resonate and 'see' the part about the time lines and a chess game already lost by the elite. When I see us bickering, rather than discussing, it makes me wonder if my 'vision' sucks. Discussions of character are the great distraction. We have our own paths to walk elegantly and finding others to walk with to a common, and hopefully better, future takes focus. What other people do that does not directly impact us in our shaping of the future and getting to it, is none of our business. Emotional triggers are booby traps on the path to a better world. They need defusing, for sure. IMO, that is private work.

Quick quick pay attention watch my left hand... what do you mean I've got dogs balls in the other...


So, I will now go and focus on a timeline where good and thoughtful people, who care about the Earth and other people, begin to take over management of this planet and the parasites die from lack of warm bodies to feed off of.

Hmm...smart thinking this boy does...

Wind
29th January 2012, 01:11
I know you must be working hard to keep the PC site running, Tommy! Keep fighting the good fight and thanks! There are alot of us who appreciate your efforts.

Tommy
29th January 2012, 01:19
I know you must be working hard to keep the PC site running, Tommy! Keep fighting the good fight and thanks! There are alot of us who appreciate your efforts.

Thanks, and no problem :) It's good work, a sword comes in many shapes these days you know, but the truth still remains that you need to keep your sword sharp by maintaining it properly, and maintaining your knowledge of the best "metal" to use ;) (metaphorically speaking only of-course)

I just wanted to share how I (as a person) experienced the immediate fallout after the Bill Wood interview, kinda so you know where I come from to give a little more substance to my present and earlier statements. I will do my best to keep as much as possible in the open.

Cheers :)

Tommy

spiritguide
29th January 2012, 02:59
Tommy, could you keep us apprised of the Don Shipley's response. Thank you for your efforts. Maybe we can follow Shipley's money and motives.

Zaradia
29th January 2012, 03:13
Thank you, Tommy. I'm new here and was beginning to get disappointed. I feel much better now. It's great that you're here!

CeltMan
29th January 2012, 03:14
Having read ALL of the posts on this thread, it seems to be similar to the analogy of
- ‘The Elephant & the Three Blind Men’

I am sure most are familiar with this one?

The concept being that: one can never have a satisfactory conclusion of a situation, when the perspectives are varied due to a lack of facts.

Not debating what cannot (at this moment in time) be proven one way or the other?
And certainly not attacking others as their view points happen to differ (perhaps because one person is ‘holding the elephants leg’, another ‘holding its tail’ etc?) –or accusing others of being trolls, etc ,.

What will happen, in near or distant future, is not information that is available to us at present.

As has been suggested, as a positive statement in that long interview, (and as I summarised about 20 mins after the end of the live interviews-post number 39, having stayed up all night) - in the main points of that Long session:

“Based upon our ‘projected collective beliefs’, We Create our own Reality “

Surely that is what we should all (majority?)- be in agreement over?

And perhaps we can all focus our positive energies on a 'Positive Future for Mankind & Planet Earth'?

onawah
29th January 2012, 03:40
That's a good set of solutions, CeltMan.
Another solution I would like to suggest, though I know it won't help Seeingterra, who has more complex technical issues to deal with, is one that I think is underrated and underutilized.
It's the "IGNORE" option.
It's amazing how that little button can eliminate such a lot of unwelcome complications!
:nod:

sygh
29th January 2012, 04:08
Do I have a chance at listening to the chat and Q&A with Kerry Bill, Bil,l and David or, is it gone now?

jackovesk
29th January 2012, 04:09
21st December 2012 Is The Date The Elites Fear.

Project Looking Glass is a supercomputer which is able to analyse the future. All possible timelines lead to the same conclusion that the current paradigm of existence runs out on that date.

Bill Wood (not his real name), clearance Above Top Secret says that all the people who know everything about Project Looking Glass are in a blind panic as to what will happen. As the system approached crisis previously, the elites were able to manipulate and find a way round the crisis. But as of December 21st 2012, no manipulations are available which can get the system running again. The way of running the world through manipulation from the top simply won't work any more.

Sent in by Julia

TAP - It makes you think that if they hadn't invented computers, the problems would all be solved already. If the elites are done, that gives the rest of us a chance to get our worlds running properly. Bloody relief, if you ask me. Bill calls it The Awakening. The 'massive dam of lies' will hold no longer. The 'slop trough' of wrong information they feed us will be exposed. They don't have control of the world in any real sense. They simply engineer manipulations for which the reaction they can predict, and then they manipulate again. It's over - in less than twelve months. Better get ready, folks. Big Brother is out of ideas. We can teach a new way of thought from ground level.

JULIA wrote: The Bill Wood interview goes on to get even better, and was then confirmed when I snuggled up with my di book for a bedtime read. The coincidences I am getting are incredible. BW was trained in using senses beyond his 5. He describes it as like the jedi. He was taught how to predict the future. It is easy if you just believe you can do it, and a small amount of training. He had top security clearance. The US military has hundreds of spaceships. They can get to Mars in a day, and that was 10 years ago. There is human activity on Mars and the Moon. The problem is that people can no longer see much into the future. So the elite are panicking. They can't control things any more. The ability to make a decision that influences the future is diminishing rapidly as everything, including multiple timelines, converges on 21st dec 2012. My son's birthday.

Ex-Navy Seal Says Bin Laden Was Dead Before May 2nd 2011.

Saturday, 28 January 2012 11:47

It is very long, so you might have to wait til you get back! Bill Wood is an ex US navy man and was fighting in a war that we were officially not having in Iraq. I am only quarter of the way through so far. There is stuff about 911, mind control, shooting civilian targets, selection processes. The positive news is that there are plenty of people within the government, navy, army, CIA that are secretly rebelling. They are called the 'Oathkeepers', because they stick to their original oath, rather than mindlessly obey.

Bill was inspired to whistleblow after the NDAA at New Year.

Julia

He claims that Bin Laden was not alive when it is claimed he was killed by Seal Team 6 on May 2nd 2011. Seal Team 6 was itself wiped out in an exploding helicopter after, in Bill's opinion, not killing Bin Laden. (TAP - many think they were all killed to stop the truth coming out)

He claims far more military activity has been going on in The Middle East than has been publicised, with attacks on numerous countries using Tomahawk missiles, ongoing since the first Gulf War, all through the 1990s, unknown to the rest of the world. He did his duty until one day another Seal Team was detailed to wipe out a village where he had become friendly with the people.

He then could no longer carry on killing innocent civilians as he was being ordered to do each month.

He was then forced into a mental institution and given mind-bending drugs before he was released from the military six months later. He had once refused to target a weapon onto a group of innocent civilians on one occasion, before the loss of his friends (in Iraq), and was court-martialled within a month, not for the refusal to obey the targeting information, but for a trivial sexual misdemeanour which had happened some years before. He was made to plead guilty and sentenced to 11 years in gaol. He knew that if he refused to kill again, the sentence would be carried out.

He also believes that The Pentagon was hit with a Tomahawk missile, not a 747, and says the turn made by the Tomahawk was a manoeuvre he was used to seeing, and was not one that could be made by a 747. He didn't seem to know about the other theories about how the planes were flown into the Twin Towers - that they weren't planes at all, but computer images superimposed onto other military remotely-controlled vehicles of a different kind. I stopped watching at 1 hour and went to bed. At least the film was working as signal improves here late at night.

The Tap Blog is a collective of like-minded researchers and writers who've joined forces to distribute information and voice opinions avoided by the world's media.

Read more at The Tap Blog

http://the-tap.blogspot.com/

etm567
29th January 2012, 04:40
It's still there. I had trouble getting it to work the first time, though, and I had to listen on Facebook. There is a link to Livestream. One word of advice: if it doesn't work, register for Livestream. That fixed it for me. Good luck.

ETM

sygh
29th January 2012, 06:33
I'm half way through listening to the interview (yup, I found it on utube, thanks for your help, etm). All I can say is yes, I understand. I want to see the looking glass. I would send love, absolute, unconditional love utterly full, and absolutely encompassing the whole of the universe.

I want to know why the Elite wanted to force time line #two. How would it have been a benefit to destroy the earth?

Whiskey_Mystic
29th January 2012, 06:56
I'm half way through listening to the interview (yup, I found it on utube, thanks for your help, etm). All I can say is yes, I understand. I want to see the looking glass. I would send love, absolute, unconditional love utterly full, and absolutely encompassing the whole of the universe.

I want to know why the Elite wanted to force time line #two. How would it have been a benefit to destroy the earth?

There are several potential answers to this question. Do a search for Bill's video release "The Anglo Saxon Agenda". Some theorize that those in power would rather stash everything they need away, scorch the earth, and then emerge from their holes to rule the rubble than to give up power forever.

sygh
29th January 2012, 07:05
I'm half way through listening to the interview (yup, I found it on utube, thanks for your help, etm). All I can say is yes, I understand. I want to see the looking glass. I would send love, absolute, unconditional love utterly full, and absolutely encompassing the whole of the universe.

I want to know why the Elite wanted to force time line #two. How would it have been a benefit to destroy the earth?

There are several potential answers to this question. Do a search for Bill's video release "The Anglo Saxon Agenda". Some theorize that those in power would rather stash everything they need away, scorch the earth, and then emerge from their holes to rule the rubble than to give up power forever.

I was thinking -ultimately time line two would absolutely destroy the world, and I still think it would, regardless of what Bill is saying. It's all or nothing. At any rate, that's what I was thinking.

jackovesk
29th January 2012, 07:14
I'm half way through listening to the interview (yup, I found it on utube, thanks for your help, etm). All I can say is yes, I understand. I want to see the looking glass. I would send love, absolute, unconditional love utterly full, and absolutely encompassing the whole of the universe.

I want to know why the Elite wanted to force time line #two. How would it have been a benefit to destroy the earth?

There are several potential answers to this question. Do a search for Bill's video release "The Anglo Saxon Agenda". Some theorize that those in power would rather stash everything they need away, scorch the earth, and then emerge from their holes to rule the rubble than to give up power forever.

I was thinking -ultimately time line two would absolutely destroy the world, and I still think it would, regardless of what Bill is saying. It's all or nothing. At any rate, that's what I was thinking.

Agreed sygh,

Because 'Humanities' very Freedom & Survival depends on it...:yes4:

My own 'Knowing' tells me from a 'Collective Consciousness' POV, 2012 is a make or break year..!

Those who 'Doubt' these words, should give up the 'Spiritual' fight now and go back down and hide beneath the rocks of 'Hell' with their OWO/PTW buddies..!

Tarka the Duck
29th January 2012, 09:13
@seeing terra


I do not know for sure if it is naivety or something else that drives these kind of individuals, but some have stated directly they work for Don Shipley (work as in getting paid right?).

I haven't heard about this. Please could you clarify and provide names so that this can be verified?


Don has not responded to my official request for documentation, something I told him might have consequences.

May I ask what official documentation you have requested? I thought a request for documentation had to go through the official channels.

Thanks
Kathie

DNA
29th January 2012, 09:19
I think it is wierd that Woods and Wilcock kept going to the well on the Stargate television show. I'm suprised they didn't mention the Fringe television show.
Fringe seems to parrallel what they are talking about a lot more than Stargate does.
Fringe is based on two timelines, and they are on a convergence. Both time lines know that at one point, only one can survive.
Further more travel between the two timelines is possible with wormhole technology.

Tony
29th January 2012, 09:33
In fact I'd go as far as saying...
WE ARE CONSTANTLY BEING MISDIRECTED AND MISLED!

It's a comic book scenario – special powers!, time machines, yellow cubes, portals, abductions, contactees, UFOs, aliens and fairies... it's what you want...! Or is it?

Before you think aliens think... PYRAMID MASS HYPNOSIS! Everyone is being used.







THEY -WANT -US -TO -GET -ANGRY -AND -OVER -REACT.

Problem, reaction, solution.

jackovesk
29th January 2012, 09:43
I think it is wierd that Woods and Wilcock kept going to the well on the Stargate television show. I'm suprised they didn't mention the Fringe television show.
Fringe seems to parrallel what they are talking about a lot more than Stargate does.
Fringe is based on two timelines, and they are on a convergence. Both time lines know that at one point, only one can survive.
Further more travel between the two timelines is possible with wormhole technology.

I watched Stargate SG 1 - Wormhole exTreme Episode,

Basically what DW was alluding to was the 'above' episode was factual and written in the 3rd person (Secret Govt.), saying it was the Truth...

whereas...

Fringe talks about 2 Timelines operating sequentially...

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 09:55
Fringe is great.... Peter has effected fives time lines now and the story although obviously fiction is based on current quantom thinking....

And the references to MK Ultra and psychotropic drugs and mind altering experiments are plausibly portrayed...


The gang discussing Fringe and portalling to parrallel worlds great fun...

http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2010/05/ion-fringe-over-there-part-2-more.html

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27180-Parrellel-Worlds-Universes

All the Olivia's are hot ...imho...Steve..

http://blog.daveg.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/fringe-olivia-and-altolivia.jpg

I,m about to watch episode 10, season 4.........Peter is now interacting with parrallel Earths 4 & 5 .....great viewing...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30842-Fringe...Sci-Fi-Disclosure

Tony
29th January 2012, 10:00
This video will show how easy it is to abduct someone, and make them believe anything suggested. Some countries mat not be able to open it because of copy rights.

Ah! It seems I cannot do this..sorry.
It shows Derren Brown instantaneously abducting someone!

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/derren-brown-zombies/136190


GOT IT!!!!

christian
29th January 2012, 10:20
@seeing terra


I do not know for sure if it is naivety or something else that drives these kind of individuals, but some have stated directly they work for Don Shipley (work as in getting paid right?).

I haven't heard about this. Please could you clarify and provide names so that this can be verified?


Don has not responded to my official request for documentation, something I told him might have consequences.

May I ask what official documentation you have requested? I thought a request for documentation had to go through the official channels.

Thanks
Kathie

Work must not necessarily mean someone gets paid. I volunteer a lot. Anyways, from the 5000 friends Don has on facebook I'm sure there are some that let themselves be used as mouthpieces. Especially as Don encouraged his friends repeatedly with posts like this one: "I'll ask everyone who gives a **** about this PHONY SEAL, to sign up and log in and we'll all BLAST his ass shortly... "

I requested documentation from Don also, I asked him to substantiate the claim he made, that the girl was 12. He didn't answer and as turned out in the interview on Nexus, he admitted that no one knows her age (I guess the judge did know) and he came up with twelve, based on the sentence BW received he concluded she must have been between 12 and 15 he said then. - It's not good style to then post "I know she was 12". This is a cheap assasination of character that would not be necessary, if he got hard facts anyway.

Jenci
29th January 2012, 10:31
I want to know why the Elite wanted to force time line #two. How would it have been a benefit to destroy the earth?

Where attention goes, energy goes.

Many eyes, it seems, are on 21 Dec 2012 and not on what is going on now. It's a useful distraction. In the meantime what laws are being passed to take away freedoms? What is happening to the Euro? What's going on in Iran?

If the story about timelines is true, then why can't we change the timeline today? Who is dictating the date of this? ......The PTB are leading us to where they want us.

If they can focus the alternative media on this date, when nothing happens in December, we all end up with less credibility which means those people still not awake are going to be less likely to listen to us in the future.

Look at who we are being asked to believe here. This man, who is a sex offender, supposedly had access to the most top secret technology and supposedly had such special skills that the elite had to ask him to use it.

By his own admission he was locked down for 6 months pyschologically, practically in a coma from drugs and 'torture'. What are we being asked to believe here?

And if the story doesn't turn out to be true how does that make the alternative media look, that this man, of all people, was believed? Do we really not think that if his story was true about looking glass, that he would have been killed by now?

Timeline 1 is the evolution of the collective human Consciousness. Anyone who understands anything about this knows that Consciousness is "timeless". So where is the date when it is going to happen coming from?

Jeanette

Faydra
29th January 2012, 10:46
Dear sygh, please forgive me if I correct an idea you saiid as far as they WANT to have the timelines converge. I don't believe they (the elite) liked it, as they lose control like everyone else.

It's not a good timeline, for any of us, and I think that's what gives us the power of pray and meditation, Gathering and having mass conscious, if you will, assuming we are the "good guys". If we try to heal the planet with our conciousness it just may help!!!

As the elites are freaking out because their models don't work anymore.

Once again, forgive me as I am brand new here, and totally wrong perhaps. To me, the big picture is simple. It sounds like smart physical protection and positive intention of thought with others who also have hope will keep us more calm, and calm is more careful, clever, prepared than the powers that be worship their technology when I believe in becoming more spiritual.

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 10:54
Some good points Jenci .......I expect most of us do not necessarilly believe his story at this piont , but we are waiting on further developments
What i and others were concerned about is hysteria created over his authenticity without waiting for confirmation from the guys
interviwing him.....Its great to have opinions and debate and no one is being hood winked at this point imho because we have only been
given referrences to things already discussed by other witnesses and its his testimony that is being gone over by Kerry and others to see if it can
be validated.....Steve

Tony
29th January 2012, 10:55
I've spent ages trying to get hold on this video.
Not only has he abducted someone and put him into a video game,
he can convince an entire audience to do bad things to someone.

If he can do this, just think what a whole team of people can do,
with unlimited finances!

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/derren-brown-zombies/136190

Faydra
29th January 2012, 11:01
Many apologies for the inappropriate smilies in my text. They were not meant to be there, I tried to fix them, but I guess I must chalk this up to beginner's bad luck. I promise to do better!!
Faydra

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 11:06
Darren Brown is 'Brilliant' if a bit scary at times...LOL...

There is a documentry about Derren himself it is very good
I cannot find it at the minute.....I have posted it before somewhere
on here and it gives you a deeper insight to the psyche of the man...

The documentry is Derren Brown Behind the Mischief...

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The UTube link has been disabled



Mind control..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33129-CIA-Mind-control-Techniques......

Tony
29th January 2012, 11:55
Ok, to really hit home.

Hypnosis is attraction, concentration and association = compliance.

Coupled with a lowering of the body and minds defences = compliance.

When we associate with an idea or person(s), we are then part of a pyramid = compliance.

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 12:08
It sounds like the Borg......but I take the point...

There are so many forms of hypnosis playing out some in plain view on the media

other more suttle drip drip......Its a fascinating subject and 'Real'....


http://merovee.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/derren-brown-the-assassin/

Jenci
29th January 2012, 12:43
I've spent ages trying to get hold on this video.
Not only has he abducted someone and put him into a video game,
he can convince an entire audience to do bad things to someone.

If he can do this, just think what a whole team of people can do,
with unlimited finances!

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/derren-brown-zombies/136190


Thanks Tony. Great video illustrating what can be done.

I wonder why it is so difficult to find online ......

Jeanette

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 12:44
Heres a funny coincidence I am 25 mins into the latest Fringe episode seeries 4 episode 10 and Walter is hypnotising a young girl
to recall a vision .....Can't tell you more it may spoil it for you ....Thats wierd...LOL.....


http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/internet/fringe/

jaybee
29th January 2012, 12:46
.

Hypnotic Dancer......:p


AXp_PXcviIw


;)


aaaaand.....(click) wake up now feeling refreshed :p

.

Tony
29th January 2012, 12:55
We are all pawns in the games being played.

Suddenly there are whistle blowers, just at a right time. We are led down blind alleys, where we don't actually see anything, but are …..led to believe!

We are all innocents in this game, until we have a sneaking suspicion that maybe we are being played.

But what the big players forget is …..pawns can be queened!!!

Power to the pawns!!!!

jaybee
29th January 2012, 13:16
We are all pawns in the games being played.

Suddenly there are whistle blowers, just at a right time. We are led down blind alleys, where we don't actually see anything, but are …..led to believe!

We are all innocents in this game, until we have a sneaking suspicion that maybe we are being played.

But what the big players forget is …..pawns can be queened!!!

Power to the pawns!!!!


yay!


_uI0SeXECkU


:biggrin1:

ljwheat
29th January 2012, 13:56
This video will show how easy it is to abduct someone, and make them believe anything suggested. Some countries mat not be able to open it because of copy rights.

Ah! It seems I cannot do this..sorry.
It shows Derren Brown instantaneously abducting someone!


http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/derren-brown-zombies/136190


GOT IT!!!!
:thumb:this brings up how this works, in mass.:thumb:
II2aT9L0Sx8

TV,Schools,Religions,Music,Books,Games,I phones, Laptops,Kindles, flash raits,voice tone, all the bases are covered this forum? :popcorn:

Namaste John XXX

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 14:02
Just rewatched the Deren Brown ....Behind The Mischief......show try and watch if you can...

Derren is funny ,strange and excentric and a very exceptional Talent....

Mind control,hypnosis is Very,Very real...

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown-the-specials/4od#3171927

It seems all Derrens U/Tube clips have been disabled....

Hypnotism Act 1952

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6and1Eliz2/15-16/46

Oh well we have taken the heat of BW for the moment, we must be been MK ultred..lol..

TargeT
29th January 2012, 14:18
[QUOTE=sygh;414079]. So where is the date when it is going to happen coming from?

Jeanette

I assume it coincides with the *(roughly estimated?)* completion of a 26,000 year cycle... & a direct window to the center of the universe; those are the only things lending credibility that I can think of at this time.


Some good points Jenci .......I expect most of us do not necessarilly believe his story at this piont , but we are waiting on further developments
What i and others were concerned about is hysteria created over his authenticity without waiting for confirmation from the guys
interviwing him.....Its great to have opinions and debate and no one is being hood winked at this point imho because we have only been
given referrences to things already discussed by other witnesses and its his testimony that is being gone over by Kerry and others to see if it can
be validated.....Steve

while I don't agree with hysteria, I agree with everything else ;)


time will tell for sure, I want to see the "month later interview" happen personally, especially after seeing the gleeful hints of significant s.

Jenci
29th January 2012, 14:31
What i and others were concerned about is hysteria created over his authenticity without waiting for confirmation from the guys
interviwing him
Steve


Hi Steve,

I think this is back to front. We get the interview so that we can review all the information but we have to wait for confirmation of his authenticity. Why?


The big issue we have here is everybody wants timeline 1 to happen which is the evolution of the collective Consciousness/Awareness. For this to happen we have to move out of identification with our minds. Minds operate on time. Consciousness/Awareness doesn't.

So what we are getting here is more of the comments like - "wait", "soon", "check back for updates", "soon something else will happen but we can't tell you", "timelines are converging in the future", "21 Dec is the big day"....

All of this is distracting to the point it is keeping people identified with their minds which operate in time. This is the mind control we are being subjected to.
Which is the exact opposite of expanding Consciousness/Awareness which is what everyone wants.

I am suggesting this is being done deliberately by the PTB for the sole purpose of keeping us asleep - trapped in identification with the mind.

I understand what you are saying in that some people are not drawing conclusions about Brockbrader until they have more information. The point I am making is that waiting for more information is being led away from where our attention should be.

Jeanette

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 14:41
Thats true and we did go over what info we could , the hysteria was in reference to the 'over exuberance ' thats all......

Enjoy The....

aCl4qUXo0hs

If the timelines exist we will have to cross that bridge, according to Ion there is
no such thing as time, just one gigantic now which makes sence if the TV signals
we send into space do not dissapear they go of into the endless void,,
So technically that time, and all time still exist in the here and now....

Something like that i can't find the link...

Oh and i did like the laser stuff although others have spoke about them particularly John Lear..

aranuk
29th January 2012, 14:50
Is it possible that a Fire Control Technician could be assigned to a Seal team?
I never heard BW say he went through Seal training, only that he was part of a Seal team.
Many are assuming that to be part of a Seal team one must be a Seal. Maybe that is valid maybe not.
My gut feelings are that the military is flexible enough to send anyone with special skills on a special mission.

That's what I call thinking outside the box.

Stan

christian
29th January 2012, 15:03
David Wilcock yesterday released part 5 (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1023-financial-tyranny?start=4) of the "financial tyranny" article. The biggest announcement in there is that the mass arrests have already started. The sections from the article, that are most pertaining to Bill Wood are copied below:

-----

FOX NEWS WAS THE FIRST TO BE TARGETED

Fulford has been predicting these mass arrests for over a year. I've been promoting this story heavily since October, and I gained a lot more information about the arrests as of early January.

I was even more surprised when a new ex-Navy Seal whistleblower came forward and confirmed everything I had been hearing -- putting a public face to what otherwise had been an extremely secretive story.

Despite all of this, I was still shocked to see that the first wave of arrests has already started -- before I could even finish publishing this.




http://news.yahoo.com/police-search-news-international-offices-london-arrest-four-110211281.html

LONDON (Reuters) - British police arrested four current and former staff of Rupert Murdoch's best-selling Sun tabloid plus a policeman on Saturday as part of an investigation into suspected payments by journalists to officers, police and the newspaper's publisher said.

Police also searched the paper's London offices at publisher News International, News Corp's British arm, in a corruption probe linked to a continuing investigation into phone hacking at its now closed News of the World weekly tabloid.

News Corp's Management and Standards Committee, set up in the wake of the phone hacking scandal, said Saturday's operation was the result of information it had passed to police….

The arrests included The Sun's crime editor Mike Sullivan, its head of news Chris Pharo, and former deputy editor Fergus Shanahan, a source familiar with the situation told Reuters.

Also arrested was the paper's former managing editor Graham Dudman, now a training director at News International, the source said.

Police said a 48-year-old man from north London and two other men from Essex, east of London, aged 48 and 56, were arrested at their homes. The fourth man, aged 42, was arrested after reporting to an east London police station.

A Sun reporter, who asked not to be named, said: "Everyone is a bit shocked, there is disbelief really. But there is a big difference between phone hacking and payments to the police."….

Thirteen people have now been arrested over allegations that journalists paid police in return for information.

Their detentions are part of Operation Elveden -- one of three criminal investigations into news-gathering practices.

Last week, News International settled a string of legal claims after it admitted that people working for the tabloid had hacked in to the private phones of celebrities and others to find stories.

The phone hacking scandal drew attention to the level of political influence held by editors and executives at News International, and other newspapers in Britain.

It embarrassed British politicians for their close ties with newspaper executives and also the police, who repeatedly failed to investigate allegations of illegal phone hacking.

THE OATHKEEPERS

Another brave soldier going by the pseudonym "Bill Wood" has now risked his life -- risked everything -- to tell us a very controversial, compelling and breathtaking story.

He has gone on camera and given extensive detail. I have since had several long conversations with him -- including a three-hour video interview with Project Camelot.

Bill is saying the same thing I've been hearing -- but has added significant new information to the case.

A growing majority of the Pentagon and United States military does NOT think the Constitution is a useless piece of paper.

They actually RESPECT the Oath they took -- to valiantly serve, protect and defend our fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters.

I was since notified that there is an Oathkeepers website you can visit to learn more about them (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/25/oath-keepers-launches-national-effort-to-recall-andor-remove-members-of-congress-who-voted-for-ndaa-military-detention-merry-christmas-u-s-congress/). Obviously there is no public statement about any planned arrests at this point.

REVEALING THE OATHKEEPERS

The very first thing Bill Wood says in the original video is a disclaimer, saying he is developing and marketing a fictional book based on his testimony.

This is standard practice for whistleblowers in order to avoid being killed for speaking out, or sued for any ridiculous claims that could be used to further damage his life.

The very next thing he says after this is as follows.




KC: At this point, we are going to start in the beginning. I'd like you to talk about why you came and contacted me, and what group or groups you, in a certain sense, represent -- if you want to use it sort of loosely in that term.

BW: I don't really have any group that I represent. However, there are many, many people, both former and current military, which have a huge amount of concern over what the members of the military know to be what's really going on in the Middle East -- and places that we are occupying currently outside of this country.

Those concerns have grown more and more throughout the years, and it's to the point where a lot of these current and former military members speak. The best description of these military members would be "Oathkeepers."

http://divinecosmos.com/images/image/oathkeepers_logo.jpg

An Oathkeeper is somebody who focuses primarily on the oath that they took when they joined the service, and not so much what they're ordered to do -- to keep secret, or to tell a secret, as opposed to what is in the best interests of the constitution and the country.

KC: Okay. Let's say also that there's a purpose behind this that has to do with the NDAA.

BW: The main purpose for this interview was the enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act. The individuals that I speak with on a regular basis have grown a consensus that this is the end of the erosion of our constitutional rights.

It pretty clearly spells out in a lot of paperwork that America has been declared a war zone, and American citizens are subject to arrest and detainment outside of the constitutional protections of a trial by jury, or the right to an attorney. The right to being charged with a crime even is stripped away in that bill.

I don't believe most of the American public has been properly informed via the media. So, we're trying to get the message out, and get some support, in the fact that we cannot continue to allow the progressive erosion of the constitutional rights, and expect to have our rights ever be taken seriously at some point.

MORE FROM BILL WOOD LATER IN THE INTERVIEW




This all appears shortly after the one hour and 30-minute mark.

BW: Over time the build-up of what I was seeing, what I was experiencing, what I knew from my previous military experience and what I learned since getting out of the military -- it began to build and build and build, until it eventually got to the point where even I couldn’t take it anymore.

And at that point I began looking up information up on the Internet, doing research, information gathering -- kind of quote-unquote “building my case”.

Shortly after I began doing that, I was contacted by a group of people that were also doing the exact same thing; [they] were much more aware of who I was and what my experience in the military was -- on a Top Secret level.

I was very surprised by that [laughs], but I learned very quickly that there are people out there with a huge amount of information -- fighting for the good guys.

KC: So, in essence, you were contacted by a group of, what we call “White Hats”?

BW: I call them Oath Keepers. Essentially, they are the patriots that our government would classify as terrorists [laughs].

KC: But they are ex-military, by and large, and some of them are still in the military?

BW: I would assume a large number are still in the military or in the government – in the FBI, the Secret Service, CIA…

KC: …alphabet agency…

BW: …any alphabet agency. There’s got to be a percentage of people that are seeing the-day-to-day and going: this is wrong -- we’ve got to do something!

BILL WAS 'VETTED'

We continue right where we left off -- and hear how Bill Wood was 'vetted' to join into this very unique group, which I also have had extensive contact with.




KC: So they contacted you?

BW: Yes, and over the course of a few months, I was vetted.

If you don’t know the meaning of the word, it is a cute term for saying how much you could be trusted [laughs] -- how much you would lie, and what you didn’t want to talk about when you figured out that the people on the other side of the vetting process already know all that.

They’re just trying to figure you out and see if all that’s true.

If you respond in exactly the way that you are portrayed in their minds, it’s very encouraging. They knew my deepest, darkest secrets and they knew even more than that.

When I came out with the information I did, I kind of graduated -- and got a trusted role in a very compartmentalized world [laughs]....

I WAS "VETTED" AS WELL

I have been "vetted" over the course of years now. I did this by repeatedly not going public with various pieces of classified information I have been given.

If I was explicitly asked not to share something, I did not. In so doing, I have gained and built up trust.

This was a necessary step in order to insure that I could be entrusted with key information that will now help to rescue the fathers, mothers, sons and daughters of the world from Financial Tyranny.

I would never have put this much work into one single investigation had I not been directly asked to -- from the highest and most secretive levels of the Oathkeepers.

I wish to thank Bill Wood, and the Oathkeepers, for finally coming in and giving Benjamin Fulford and me both some backup on this mission -- when we needed it most, at the time of our greatest personal risk.

Bill wanted me there for the first interview but I was too swamped in this investigation. The Livestream event occurred the following Tuesday night. Bill's foundation in the original interview allowed us to go much farther in the Livestream event.

THE NDAA ACT IS A DIRECT ATTACK AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION

Remember -- the first line of the Oath of Enlistment tells the soldier his responsibility is to the Constitution of the United States of America -- regardless of what foreign or domestic enemies may do to threaten it.

That responsibility can include going against direct orders from the highest levels of the unelected and / or occult government.




KC: So you’re working with this group and one of the reasons you came to me was actually because of this [National] Defense Authorization Act?

BW: Yes, that sent shock waves through the community that I’m involved in.

Basically that is the final straw of the complete erosion of Constitutional Rights.

It literally has government giving itself permission to violate the rest of the Constitution and that has a lot of people concerned.

A lot of people would like to see something done about that; it’s my opinion and their opinion that something could be done about that.

Because, quite honestly, we are one false-flag away from enacting all of that legislation that’s just been created.

KC: Right, I would agree with you on that. [snip]

BW: The popular belief is that there is a very, very easy way to prevent that from happening, and to get that information out to the public.

It has been surmised that... if we address the issue directly via our Constitutional Rights, and begin to notify the public in general that this is a problem that needs to be dealt with, [change will occur].

The way it’s been proposed to me -- and to a lot of people -- is to create a petition that calls for the impeachment of every political person in Congress and the Presidency that enacted this legislation as treasonous.

It is treason to attempt to alter the Constitution through an unconstitutional means.

If you create a law that circumvents the Constitution, you commit treason.

KC: Fair enough.

GAME OVER

While I agree with Bill's statement about the petition, I have also heard there is a much deeper and more compelling initiative at work.

Therefore I would like to speak directly to the people who are continuing to perpetrate Financial Tyranny.

Guys... This is it. Game Over. You can rape us, beat us, kill us, detain us and silence us, but you cannot stop The Avalanche.

It's here. It's real. It's much bigger than you could ever possibly imagine.

A paper-thin layer of fear is the only thing holding back The Avalanche right now.

You know that. I know that. We're not stupid. We're adults. We know what happens in history when this occurs. It's called a coup.

It's going to happen no matter what. I have nothing to do with it.

I believe the plan is so comprehensive and brilliant that there is no possible way for you to stop it.

I know you're scared -- but the best thing you can do is STOP LYING.

You still have a chance to give humanity the greatest gift of all time -- an end to secrecy -- and the most mind-blowing awakening in the planet's history.

So far you haven't done this. I'm going to help you finish the job -- by telling the rest of the story of Financial Tyranny.

Now no one needs to stick their necks out. It's already public.

No secrets left for anyone to be threatened for speaking out about. This is it.

Tarka the Duck
29th January 2012, 15:06
I just received this reply from Don Shipley: I emailed him to ask the important question (above) that rmauersr asked - post 614

Nope... Not everyone assigned to a SEAL Team is a SEAL. We have
> Gals that issue gear and take care of paperwork. We have non-SEALs who
> maintain weapons, boats, dive gear and a variety of other gear. These
> non-SEALs do a job in the Navy that relates to the job they do at a
> SEAL Team. A Fire Technician, a Sonar Technician, a Cook are skills
> NOT needed at a SEAL Team... NO non-SEALs are assigned as "Shooters."
> SEALs are the only "Shooters" at a SEAL Team...
>
> BW said he went through a secret BUD/S Training class and that he has
> a "Trident" meaning he's a SEAL. All SEALs earn a Trident.
>
> Bill claims YEARS of operating in a three-man SEAL Element... SEALs
> are a very small commando unit and there is little need for us to take
> a untrained idiot along with us...excuse my language.
>
> http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjob1/a/fc.htm
>

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 15:29
From Kerrys Blog a interresting article..

Addressed to all Navy seals who thought Seal team 6 took Bin Laden out

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/26/tidbits-what-is-being-held-back-from-you/

Rozzy
29th January 2012, 15:39
I watched the vid/audio of Bill Ryan joining Kerry & David W. with Bill Wood, last night and quite frankly Bill wood is lying, watch him and listen to him when trying to explain the Looking Glass. First he said he saw it, then he mumbles and stumbles and tries to back out of all that when questioned what it looks like etc. David seemed better versed on the subjects than Bill Wood did. IMHO, I give Bill Wood the thumbs down.

Mark2112
29th January 2012, 15:44
It's disengenious for DW to claim that the arrests of some low level police and journalists are confirmation of what him and Fulford have been saying. This is an on running large story in the UK and him jumping on the back of it is not whistleblowing news. When I start seeing top name politicians, bankers and company execs arrested then he might have some credibility.

Lazlo
29th January 2012, 15:51
Sorry, but I am having more and more problems with DW. I just got "Source Field", but haven't read it yet. There are still two books in line ahead of it.

Did I read that correctly that DW now says that it was the Oathkeepers who asked him to start the financial tyranny investigation?
I would never have put this much work into one single investigation had I not been directly asked to -- from the highest and most secretive levels of the Oathkeepers.

Regarding "Mass Arrests Have Already Begun" : That is definitely making 1+1= 7,369

Tabloid journalists being arrested for bribing police and hacking phones is not the same as mass roundups of the financial and power elite.

Is this the big revel that DW promised in the Livestream event?

Lazlo
29th January 2012, 16:11
From Kerrys Blog a interresting article..

Addressed to all Navy seals who thought Seal team 6 took Bin Laden out

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/26/tidbits-what-is-being-held-back-from-you/


I'm just going to point out a couple of problems with that article, and then let everyone else read it and draw their own conclusions. It says that the hijackers were clones and the real terrorists were on a plane to Tel Aviv on the 12th. WTF???? Even if we have cloning, are we to assume that the clones had their brains removed and so were just robots, and therefore not really the hijackers ???

Moving On:

Osama bin Laden reported that 9/11 was an inside job before his death, confirmed through the highest sources, December 13, 2001. This is the official CIA transcript of that report:

That report is a translation from the Al Jazeera website, it says so right at the top. "highest sources" ???

It's this type of stuff that gives the truth movement a bad name.

jackovesk
29th January 2012, 16:30
Occupy Area 51. Where's The Missing $2 Trillion In The Pentagon's Budget..?

Sunday, January 29, 2012

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q7dB8CoHWQ0/TyT_BCp-hlI/AAAAAAAAE20/dsFW3edxyPE/s400/stargate.jpg

The TV Show 'Wormhole Extreme' features the earth's Star Gates in Stargate's 100th and 200th episodes, according to David Wilcock.

Interviewer KERRY question to 'Bill Wood', former Navy Seal -

Q. Was the war in Iraq all about the Star Gates?
A. I don't know, but take a look at the claim that the shuttle was the US' last space capability vehicle.

Was the shuttle really the last US space entry capability? asks Bill.

Let's all go take a look at Area 51, he says. We need to know what's going on in that place.
Occupy Area 51.
Where is the $2 trillion hole in The Pentagon's budget?

Q. Re the Moon and Mars
A. Get a good telescope and tell me what you see. Do you see things that look terrestrial? They might not be fun places to live, but they can be seen.
Q. Did you ride the underground trains at Area 51 to Pine Gap?
A. Look at Google 'Laser Drill'. It drills at 7 miles a day. How many tunnels can ten of these devices dig out in a year? Other sources claim 18 miles a day. A laser at 100W will shatter a concrete block in 1 second by heating it up. Imagine a laser powered with 1 million watts.

We're laying our lives on the line, our health on the line. It can lead to extreme public ridicule, vitriole every day. The world needs our help, and we are willing to step out and put a public face behind exposing these facts to the world. Events which will happen later this year will justify what we are saying and doing.

KERRY - There is a hidden war of epic proportions going on.

Ans. No real reply.

KERRY Does Congress know about all these things?

Ans. There are extremes of power, but eventually the circle comes around and everyone can see the truth. Watch the movie 'Thrive'(?). There is unlimited energy easily available. If people didn't need to be in power, how different this world would be.

STATEMENT - I found out UFOs were real in 1992. I am now finding out how we're going to get through this. I am now aware of the people who care about us and love us, who are trying to help us, but who are operating covertly, in an alliance. People are coming forward, where it was once only Benjamin Fulford and me. Operation Camelot have pledged their lives, and I feel great gratitude for the people and initiatives emerging.

But when are we going to start seeing any visible changes? People are figuring it out, having hope and things are happening. I pray the good guys will beat the bad guys. I pray the elites, the Bilderbergs will lose. It's not a conspiracy. It's sad and it's true.

It's not just me. It's not just David (Wilcock). Real cooperation is coming. Let's tell the elites in our meditations tonight to tip their ...over, all we care about is ending the illusion they perpetuate to stay in power. It's not dying. It's dead. If they back down, they could have an honourable discharge and step down from their elite status. Or not it could be the night of the long knives. There is a plan being magnificently well orchestrated. It is spectacularly more complex in its execution than I knew.

KERRY - we are tipping our hats to the White Hats, who deserve our thanks as well, the people operating covertly risking their lives to bring these changes about. Sign the petition against the NDAA please, to send a message to TPTW - the powers that were.

divinecosmos.com
project avalon
project camelot

BILL WOOD CLOSING REQUEST - tomorrow morning, make one random act of kindness. It will change the world.

http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2012/01/occupy-area-51-wheres-missing-2.html

PS - You might find some different opinions in the 'Comments' section

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 16:35
I agree Lazlo I don't know about clones.... i put up the article for general consumption.....But I find it very unlikely seal team 6 killed Bin Laden......

christian
29th January 2012, 16:48
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/26/tidbits-what-is-being-held-back-from-you/

It says that the hijackers were clones and the real terrorists were on a plane to Tel Aviv on the 12th. WTF????

Maybe it's supposed to say 'drones' :confused:



It's this type of stuff that gives the truth movement a bad name.

Indeed, there are much better articles on SEAL team 6 out there.
http://www.infowars.com/infowars-ireland-predicted-seal-team-6-demise/

Jenci
29th January 2012, 17:08
It's disengenious for DW to claim that the arrests of some low level police and journalists are confirmation of what him and Fulford have been saying. This is an on running large story in the UK and him jumping on the back of it is not whistleblowing news. When I start seeing top name politicians, bankers and company execs arrested then he might have some credibility.

Thank you, Mark. You're right.

David's comments did make me laugh.......as it seems not only a disingenious conclusion to draw but a ridiculous one.

Again, David is not doing his credibility any good.

It's all part of a game. David is most likely being sincere. Who is playing him and why?

Jeanette

Lazlo
29th January 2012, 17:09
Indeed, there are much better articles on SEAL team 6 out there.
http://www.infowars.com/infowars-ireland-predicted-seal-team-6-demise/

I especially like the nod to Smedley Butler. There is a story of a patriot versus the Powers That Be that should be required reading for everyone.

Wars are started by the old and rich for personal gain, and fought by the young who have nothing to give but their lives.

jackovesk
29th January 2012, 17:13
Because we are all tired, I’ve selected a small portion from the end of David Wilcock’s newly released article: THE MASS ARRESTS HAVE ALREADY STARTED – January 28, 2012

Just for the David Wilcock Fans...

http://jhaines6.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/david-wilcock-53.png?w=640

This will keep you all going for a while, I've already seen some holes in it relating to the Bill Woods story, see if you can 'Spot Them'..?

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/because-we-are-all-tired-ive-selected-a-small-portion-from-the-end-of-david-wilcocks-newly-released-article-the-mass-arrests-have-already-started-january-28-2012/

PS - If you want to make a seperate 'Thread' out of this update, be my guest..!

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 17:32
I must admit I don't see the links with the arrests in London with the on going phone hacking inquieries with any of BW materials.....

jackovesk
29th January 2012, 17:40
I must admit I don't see the links with the arrests in London with the on going phone hacking inquieries with any of BW materials.....

Yes, that's 1...

I'm just feeding the (DisInfo) Monster..!...:bored:

Kano
29th January 2012, 17:44
Ok, switching gears here for a minute.

In the second interview, BW says that something major has happened or is about to happen for him and then Bill Ryan guesses that part of this major thing that is happening/going to happen for BW is the act of doing the interview itself. However, mums the word on what this is. I haven't read any comments on that part of the interview and was very interested in that facet of it. Does anyone have an idea or even care what that might be?

Cheers,
Kano

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 18:12
No Kano thats another frustrating bit of the interview....LOL...

http://www.searchenginesjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/white-hat-black-hat-seo.jpg


Another thing i find amusing is the White Hat Black hat game......

How do we know the White Hats are not Black Hats just playing the ...Table...

Always tickled me ....but we just have to go with it for now....LOL...

RZOJoV6H2UM

Heres the good guys....( just my sence of humour)...nothing meant though, Fred does shoot all the black hats down at the end quite serial in todays context......

onawah
29th January 2012, 19:30
Though I think there must be some truth in the story which will obviously take time to ferret out, I find the following points to be very relevant.
All this IS hugely distracting.
No wonder we're all tired!
And getting more and more tired of the whole game, and less and less willing to play, speaking for myself, at any rate.
But perhaps that is a necessary step.
The ego likes distracting games.
Perhaps the more we get fed up with it, the less likely it will be continuing.
I mean REALLY fed up!
Because if we accept that we truly are the CREATORS of these games, (though largely unaware that we are) once we get fed up enough with it, we will create something new and different.
But the recognition of our Creator status is the most important part of the process.
Once we've accomplished that, I would think we will find better uses for our energy than games.
Such as cleaning up the planet.


What i and others were concerned about is hysteria created over his authenticity without waiting for confirmation from the guys
interviwing him
Steve
Hi Steve,
I think this is back to front. We get the interview so that we can review all the information but we have to wait for confirmation of his authenticity. Why?

The big issue we have here is everybody wants timeline 1 to happen which is the evolution of the collective Consciousness/Awareness. For this to happen we have to move out of identification with our minds. Minds operate on time. Consciousness/Awareness doesn't.

So what we are getting here is more of the comments like - "wait", "soon", "check back for updates", "soon something else will happen but we can't tell you", "timelines are converging in the future", "21 Dec is the big day"....

All of this is distracting to the point it is keeping people identified with their minds which operate in time. This is the mind control we are being subjected to.
Which is the exact opposite of expanding Consciousness/Awareness which is what everyone wants.

I am suggesting this is being done deliberately by the PTB for the sole purpose of keeping us asleep - trapped in identification with the mind.

I understand what you are saying in that some people are not drawing conclusions about Brockbrader until they have more information. The point I am making is that waiting for more information is being led away from where our attention should be.

Jeanette

childs hood end
29th January 2012, 19:55
from K C blog

January 29, 2012

INTERVIEW ANNOUNCEMENT - 2ND INTERVIEW WITH BILL WOOD AKA BILL BROCKBRADER

I will be doing another interview with Bill on Saturday February 4th at 5pm PST on Livestream

Here is a communique from Bill Wood/Brockbrader that he has asked me to post in this regard:

"Shortly after his last interview, Bill was forced into leaving for a secret location for his own safety. He is now being directly protected by White Hat sources at this secret location. He will be speaking about some of his experiences in his new life. Also, because Bill's true identity was exposed by government agents, he will be revealing his conclusions into his investigations about the single largest criminal organization in Las Vegas and how an ex Navy SEAL and his wife's 'swinger' parties are involved. He will be joined by a new mystery guest for his interview. You will hear a unique newly developed perspective based on Holodynamic principles that calls for the transformation of America and other military personal similar fears as a uniting factor that will be the foundation for change NOW in the face of the NDAA. Other key concepts highlight the similarities between Bill's experience and Kay Griggs 1998 interview exposing how her husband Colonel Griggs similar use of sexual coercion, mind control, and extensive abuses of U.S. army personal that have led to inspiring support for Bill. Bill is now working actively to construct a plan that brings about the changes in the world that everyone has been long anticipating. Please join us as he will be revealing much, much more about how we all can work together to incorperate these changes throughout the planet. This interview will be the game changer for the changes coming at the end of 2012. He has asked me to include the following announcement:

Thank you all for your emails and comments. I apologize for not responding but life has gotten pretty interesting here in 'the land where freedom began'. I would like to ask a favor from all supporters for changing the world. There is some debate here. Realize that there are still some battle hardened veterans of light here that don't seem to agree that the new army of light is standing up and asking to be counted on for support. So I am asking this as a unique means of showing just how many people are ready to work for some change in the world. I have included a donation button below. I would like to ask that everyone that is ready to see the world change, donate one dollar. You can donate more but that is all I need from any one person. The idea is to show just how many of us are out there so the boys that can put down some zeros on the checks will see that the support is here and the time to move is now. Realize this - one donation of $100,000 doesn't help...as the universe responds to action, individual donations are the keys. I need to identify the number of supporters that are out there currently.

Thanks all for the support in advance. Just be ready to have your minds blown WIDE open in the next interview."

Bill

ViralSpiral
29th January 2012, 20:18
I would like to ask that everyone that is ready to see the world change, donate one dollar. You can donate more but that is all I need from any one person. The idea is to show just how many of us are out there so the boys that can put down some zeros on the checks will see that the support is here and the time to move is now. Realize this - one donation of $100,000 doesn't help...as the universe responds to action, individual donations are the keys. I need to identify the number of supporters that are out there currently.




http://www.cherryfairy.com/Images/think.gif

jaybee
29th January 2012, 20:39
from K C blog

January 29, 2012

INTERVIEW ANNOUNCEMENT - 2ND INTERVIEW WITH BILL WOOD AKA BILL BROCKBRADER

I will be doing another interview with Bill on Saturday February 4th at 5pm PST on Livestream

Here is a communique from Bill Wood/Brockbrader that he has asked me to post in this regard:

"Shortly after his last interview, Bill was forced into leaving for a secret location for his own safety. He is now being directly protected by White Hat sources at this secret location. He will be speaking about some of his experiences in his new life. Also, because Bill's true identity was exposed by government agents, he will be revealing his conclusions into his investigations about the single largest criminal organization in Las Vegas and how an ex Navy SEAL and his wife's 'swinger' parties are involved. He will be joined by a new mystery guest for his interview. You will hear a unique newly developed perspective based on Holodynamic principles that calls for the transformation of America and other military personal similar fears as a uniting factor that will be the foundation for change NOW in the face of the NDAA. Other key concepts highlight the similarities between Bill's experience and Kay Griggs 1998 interview exposing how her husband Colonel Griggs similar use of sexual coercion, mind control, and extensive abuses of U.S. army personal that have led to inspiring support for Bill. Bill is now working actively to construct a plan that brings about the changes in the world that everyone has been long anticipating. Please join us as he will be revealing much, much more about how we all can work together to incorperate these changes throughout the planet. This interview will be the game changer for the changes coming at the end of 2012.


I will be watching the interview, of course..but the underlined above made me L O L.


He has asked me to include the following announcement:

Thank you all for your emails and comments. I apologize for not responding but life has gotten pretty interesting here in 'the land where freedom began'. I would like to ask a favor from all supporters for changing the world. There is some debate here. Realize that there are still some battle hardened veterans of light here that don't seem to agree that the new army of light is standing up and asking to be counted on for support. So I am asking this as a unique means of showing just how many people are ready to work for some change in the world. I have included a donation button below. I would like to ask that everyone that is ready to see the world change, donate one dollar. You can donate more but that is all I need from any one person. The idea is to show just how many of us are out there so the boys that can put down some zeros on the checks will see that the support is here and the time to move is now. Realize this - one donation of $100,000 doesn't help...as the universe responds to action, individual donations are the keys. I need to identify the number of supporters that are out there currently.

Thanks all for the support in advance. Just be ready to have your minds blown WIDE open in the next interview."

Bill


O....M....G

the warning bells are ringing very loudly for me.

I certainly won't be sending a penny to Brockbrader.

What new and painful twist in the drama is THIS!

:hand:


.

Cidersomerset
29th January 2012, 20:43
Well we do not have to wait to long for the next installment lets see where it takes us......

Are we talking illuminati style sex parties..

http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/eyes_wide_shut_domino.jpg

Or drug filled LA strip parties I wonder....i know its irrelevant
but they are not likely to catch the main charecters with their
pants down so to speak .......

CdnSirian
29th January 2012, 20:46
Seems it might be more appropriate to ask for money AFTER the big reveal?

christian
29th January 2012, 20:58
When Charles came along and said "I want to solve things with you" I said "I'll work with him until it turns out that he is not genuine". - Said and done.

Now Bill gets the same chance. If you say you want to help humanity, you got a plan that exceeds my current one and you would appreciate my help, I'm with you - till I find out you're a fraud. --- I can spare a buck :cool:

modwiz
29th January 2012, 21:20
When Charles came along and said "I want to solve things with you" I said "I'll work with him until it turns out that he is not genuine". - Said and done.

Now Bill gets the same chance. If you say you want to help humanity, you got a plan that exceeds my current one and you would appreciate my help, I'm with you - till I find out you're a fraud. --- I can spare a buck :cool:

Me too Chiquetet, I can spare a buck. There is no way a dollar towards a positive idea can make a fool of me. Being a cynic in the face of hope is sad, IMO. This may be legitimate and I want my 'vote' counted.

POST UPDATE:

Done!

Paul
29th January 2012, 21:28
Many apologies for the inappropriate smilies in my text. They were not meant to be there, I tried to fix them, but I guess I must chalk this up to beginner's bad luck. I promise to do better!!
Faydra
Welcome to Avalon :).

I de-smilied your previous post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?39288-Bill-Ryan-joining-Kerry-David-W.-with-Bill-Wood&p=414158&viewfull=1#post414158) - hope that meets with your approval.

Selene
29th January 2012, 22:05
I'm in.

It isn't the dollar, it's the collective energy that comes with it.

Cheers,

Selene

woodshreder
29th January 2012, 22:08
If I could help save humanity and this planet from another second of all the evil that exsists here by donating one piece of worthless fiat paper, I would I think ,We all would . But heres my immediate concern, I started to send a donation and noticed the donation was connected to Bill Woods Gmail acct I find this a little odd that Bill Ryan would ask on behalf of Bill Wood. Which was never disclosed... If we can get some clairity as to why its being sent to Bill Woods acct, that would help!!
I have stayed neutral and kept an open mind through this whole week of bantering back and forth Who am I to pass judgement on what I do not know to be true or false
Peace always Peace

TargeT
29th January 2012, 22:10
When Charles came along and said "I want to solve things with you" I said "I'll work with him until it turns out that he is not genuine". - Said and done.

Now Bill gets the same chance. If you say you want to help humanity, you got a plan that exceeds my current one and you would appreciate my help, I'm with you - till I find out you're a fraud. --- I can spare a buck :cool:

Me too Chiquetet, I can spare a buck. There is no way a dollar towards a positive idea can make a fool of me. Being a cynic in the face of hope is sad, IMO. This may be legitimate and I want my 'vote' counted.

POST UPDATE:

Done!

I'm one of the bigger skeptics & I'm donating, the logic is sound... (of course I"m only donating a dollar..) this is a good way to gauge community interest from action minded individuals.

Link:
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html
(I had to go looking for it, I don't read things from Kerry generally)

etm567
29th January 2012, 22:11
O....M....G

the warning bells are ringing very loudly for me.

I certainly won't be sending a penny to Brockbrader.

What new and painful twist in the drama is THIS!

:hand:


.

For $1? Jesus, even I can give someone one dollar without hurting from it. What would it do to you if you did give him a dollar, and it turned out it was a con? You would lose a dollar. I'm not saying I believe that, not at all. I think it must be more of an ego thing. Maybe you're terrified of being had?

BUt to be terrified of being had over one dollar, rather than trying to do something about being had over every aspect of your life? I would rather risk it, myself.

ETM

CdnSirian
29th January 2012, 22:27
If I could help save humanity and this planet from another second of all the evil that exsists here by donating one piece of worthless fiat paper, I would I think ,We all would . But heres my immediate concern, I started to send a donation and noticed the donation was connected to Bill Woods Gmail acct I find this a little odd that Bill Ryan would ask on behalf of Bill Wood. Which was never disclosed... If we can get some clairity as to why its being sent to Bill Woods acct, that would help!!
I have stayed neutral and kept an open mind through this whole week of bantering back and forth Who am I to pass judgement on what I do not know to be true or false
Peace always Peace

As far as I can tell it is NOT Bill Ryan asking for a buck - it's Bill Woods/whoever. And I may give him one - after the big reveal.

Bill Ryan
29th January 2012, 22:28
I started to send a donation and noticed the donation was connected to Bill Woods Gmail acct I find this a little odd that Bill Ryan would ask on behalf of Bill Wood. Which was never disclosed... If we can get some clairity as to why its being sent to Bill Woods acct, that would help!!


Hi, Folks --

An immediate clarification: I know absolutely nothing of this, and only read about it on the previous page of this thread. There is no link with myself at all, and I have not endorsed this in any way. (Neither am I critical of it: I am simply unconnected.)

woodshreder
29th January 2012, 22:32
Thanks for clearing this up Bill ... I hope I havent confused the forum members.... Just being cautiously optimistic and diligent

modwiz
29th January 2012, 22:37
To any who have some trepidation about a dollar. A dollar? I know, it's the principle, right? Please, this is about energy expenditure, a major concern of the warrior/sorcerers of the Yaqui way. It is so much easier to just give the dollar than to wonder who, why and if. Of course, if after you press the send button for that dollar you will agonize over whether you did the right thing then sending that dollar would be ill advised. It is all about energy sent and yours being conserved. I say this to try and help with some clarity here. I have no judgement about right or wrong.

To thine own self be true.

000
29th January 2012, 22:51
I have also sent $1.

Indeed this is about the willingness to share energy and to create a flow of positive energy momentum. If this were something negative I would have felt it and so far I have felt no indications of anything negative going on.

When lending energy, symbolized by the icon of sending $1, the energy investment must be followed through. If, for some reason, this turned out to be negative (which I do *not* feel it is), there would be energetic consequences. I am even fine with having my address on the PayPal receipt. I know fully that if anyone with negative intentions so much as *thought* of coming to my door, there would be massive energetic repercussions for them. So I have no fears or doubts about this 'investment' of energy. Energy invested into something positive shall always see a return at some point in some form.

Aquai
29th January 2012, 23:05
If anyone could give me a quick recap of what this is all about - that would be awesome.

I dont really have the time to read through 35 pages :/

CdnSirian
29th January 2012, 23:08
To any who have some trepidation about a dollar. A dollar? I know, it's the principle, right? Please, this is about energy expenditure, a major concern of the warrior/sorcerers of the Yaqui way. It is so much easier to just give the dollar than to wonder who, why and if. Of course, if after you press the send button for that dollar you will agonize over whether you did the right thing then sending that dollar would be ill advised. It is all about energy sent and yours being conserved. I say this to try and help with some clarity here. I have no judgement about right or wrong.

To thine own self be true.

As I said before I may be happy to send a dollar after the "big reveal". It's not about a dollar.

christian
29th January 2012, 23:15
If anyone could give me a quick recap of what this is all about - that would be awesome.

I dont really have the time to read through 35 pages :/

Watch the Bill Wood testimony on Camelot and the conference with him, David Wilcock, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy, I'd suggest, a summary is on the Camelot page: http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/bill_wood/bill_wood.html

¤=[Post Update]=¤



As I said before I may be happy to send a dollar after the "big reveal". It's not about a dollar.

The whole point of it is to do it before the interview.
Doing it after the interview would be like loving your spouse only after you and her died, kind of...

Jenci
29th January 2012, 23:38
The only thing that has been proven about this man is that he is on the sex offenders register for sex with a child.

For all I know he could be part of a plan to take down the alternative media. Donating money may very well do harm.

Giving out money is good though. It does have an energetic effect. Tomorrow I will donate my £1, not to Bill Wood but to the street outside. Who knows who will pick it up and what good it could do :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXL9vIUbWg


Jeanette

aranuk
29th January 2012, 23:46
The only thing that has been proven about this man is that he is on the sex offenders register for sex with a child.

For all I know he could be part of a plan to take down the alternative media. Donating money may very well do harm.

Giving out money is good though. It does have an energetic effect. Tomorrow I will donate my £1, not to Bill Wood but to the street outside. Who knows who will pick it up and what good it could do :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXL9vIUbWg


Jeanette

Be careful Jenci a bankster may find it.

Stan

Jenci
30th January 2012, 00:00
Be careful Jenci a bankster may find it.

Stan


Thanks, Stan for giving me a laugh before bedtime. I really was feeling very sad from reading this thread.

Perhaps I shall just drop some pennies which the banksters will not bother picking up. I could really spread the energy around. Maybe even give a smile or two :)

Jeanette

aranuk
30th January 2012, 00:03
Be careful Jenci a bankster may find it.

Stan



Thanks, Stan for giving me a laugh before bedtime. I really was feeling very sad from reading this thread.

Perhaps I shall just drop some pennies which the banksters will not bother picking up. I could really spread the energy around. Maybe even give a smile or two :)

Jeanette

Jenci I forgot to thank you for that nice video

Stan

AlternativeInfoJunkie
30th January 2012, 00:06
Well i donated. I wasn't going to but the argument for was stronger than the argument against on this thread IMO. I hope we can make a change for the positive. Here's crossing my fingers.

Lazlo
30th January 2012, 00:49
For all I know he needs to pay a lawyer because he broke parole by going to California to meet Kerry.

Sorry, but there is no way this guy should be getting money. $1 to help change the world, sounds great, but I would suggest buying a sandwich for a hungry person instead, food bank donation, animal shelter, recycling center, boys and girls club......


WAIT...BY JOE I'VE GOT IT !

Let's send the money to a group that provides support to victims of abuse and sex crimes.

http://www.rainn.org/

http://www.pandys.org/donate.html

http://www.americanhumane.org/children/stop-child-abuse/?gclid=CJeh7NfC9q0CFWgZQgodt1XauA

http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/hero.html

Seriously, sometimes I am actually embarrassed to be a member of this forum. I can't believe you would send money to this guy. You should be ashamed.

I guarantee that any one of these groups would be thrilled to accept and track donations made in reference to Brockbrader, and they would be happy to let us know just how much support he has.

CdnSirian
30th January 2012, 00:59
If anyone could give me a quick recap of what this is all about - that would be awesome.

I dont really have the time to read through 35 pages :/

Watch the Bill Wood testimony on Camelot and the conference with him, David Wilcock, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy, I'd suggest, a summary is on the Camelot page: http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/bill_wood/bill_wood.html

¤=[Post Update]=¤



As I said before I may be happy to send a dollar after the "big reveal". It's not about a dollar.

The whole point of it is to do it before the interview.
Doing it after the interview would be like loving your spouse only after you and her died, kind of...

Huh? How do you get that out of a solicitation for funds?

AlternativeInfoJunkie
30th January 2012, 01:24
For all I know he needs to pay a lawyer because he broke parole by going to California to meet Kerry.

Sorry, but there is no way this guy should be getting money. $1 to help change the world, sounds great, but I would suggest buying a sandwich for a hungry person instead, food bank donation, animal shelter, recycling center, boys and girls club......


WAIT...BY JOE I'VE GOT IT !

Let's send the money to a group that provides support to victims of abuse and sex crimes.

http://www.rainn.org/

http://www.pandys.org/donate.html

http://www.americanhumane.org/children/stop-child-abuse/?gclid=CJeh7NfC9q0CFWgZQgodt1XauA

http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/hero.html

Seriously, sometimes I am actually embarrassed to be a member of this forum. I can't believe you would send money to this guy. You should be ashamed.

I guarantee that any one of these groups would be thrilled to accept and track donations made in reference to Brockbrader, and they would be happy to let us know just how much support he has.


I'm NOT ashamed. you should be ashamed for suggesting such a thing. Most of us have done something in the past that we are not proud of. If his testimony resonated with you and you tust him then support him. If it didn't and you don't that's fine too. Cool it with the negativity. It is not appreciated.

TargeT
30th January 2012, 01:33
Seriously, sometimes I am actually embarrassed to be a member of this forum. I can't believe you would send money to this guy. You should be ashamed.


even if he is not what he says he is, it is not his fault that he has not found his true self, we should pitty him not hate him.

generosity to anyone who needs from anyone who is willing to give is not something to be embarrassed of; intent is key, if his intent is bad, he will have to face his own demons for it, my intent is good and giving is a positive energetic direction of intent and will, and since I see every system as "muscle like" (use it or lose it) I don't mind this minor; mostly symbolic exersize.

Lazlo
30th January 2012, 01:35
I'm NOT ashamed. you should be ashamed for suggesting such a thing. Most of us have done something in the past that we are not proud of. If his testimony resonated with you and you tust him then support him. If it didn't and you don't that's fine too. Cool it with the negativity. It is not appreciated.

I would feel differently if he showed even the tiniest bit of remorse. The closest he got to this was when he said in the livestream that someone told him that she actually was under the age of consent, and oops, maybe he did technically commit a crime. He made quite a point of it.

What stuck out for me about that was that I can not concievably see how he was on trial facing 11 years in prison (assuming we believe everything else that he said regarding the matter) and he didn't understand the charges or what else was happening in the proceedings. If he is that clueless, then well...what's that say about the rest of the testimony?

spiritguide
30th January 2012, 01:36
A dollar donated here. Positive energies to the future. Guess it has something to do with being selfless.

:peace:

AlternativeInfoJunkie
30th January 2012, 01:40
I'm NOT ashamed. you should be ashamed for suggesting such a thing. Most of us have done something in the past that we are not proud of. If his testimony resonated with you and you tust him then support him. If it didn't and you don't that's fine too. Cool it with the negativity. It is not appreciated.

I would feel differently if he showed even the tiniest bit of remorse. The closest he got to this was when he said in the livestream that someone told him that she actually was under the age of consent, and oops, maybe he did technically commit a crime. He made quite a point of it.

What stuck out for me about that was that I can not concievably see how he was on trial facing 11 years in prison (assuming we believe everything else that he said regarding the matter) and he didn't understand the charges or what else was happening in the proceedings. If he is that clueless, then well...what's that say about the rest of the testimony?

I have to admit that that is a good point that i hadn't thought much about.

Lazlo
30th January 2012, 01:41
even if he is not what he says he is, it is not his fault that he has not found his true self, we should pitty him not hate him.


I don't hate him, I never said that. But a lot of $1 donations can add up to substantial money. Ask the march of dimes, or the salvation army, or the MD association, or...

gripreaper
30th January 2012, 01:50
I think John Beluchi sums it up quite nicely as he plays Jake in the Blues Brothers:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvujknrBuE

sleepy
30th January 2012, 02:13
xxxxx xxxxx

CdnSirian
30th January 2012, 02:18
Giving him a dollar has nothing to do with his dis-advantaged sex offender status, or the theoretical need for a lawyer (he doesn't say that) or anything. He does not say that he is personally poor, or unemployed. He says he wants to raise money for some soon-to-be-revealed PLAN to change the world! Well I have no problem with that, or with anyone who wants to give him a dollar now.

Once The Plan is revealed, I may want to give him much more than a dollar. I will see.

sygh
30th January 2012, 02:48
Ok, switching gears here for a minute.

In the second interview, BW says that something major has happened or is about to happen for him and then Bill Ryan guesses that part of this major thing that is happening/going to happen for BW is the act of doing the interview itself. However, mums the word on what this is. I haven't read any comments on that part of the interview and was very interested in that facet of it. Does anyone have an idea or even care what that might be?

Cheers,
Kano

Consider the military over-throwing the current government.

spiritguide
30th January 2012, 02:55
No mention of revealing a plan just that the dollar vote will show those working on it that there are many numbers behind the endeavor. It's a go for it vote that's all. Just wanted to clear up why he needed the dollar and I hope he gets many so they can get the show on the road. Oh by the way I am a paid member of the oath keepers and I walk the talk.

Selene
30th January 2012, 03:31
Absolutely, SpiritGuide.

It’s not about the dollar/votes as such; it’s about the inherent vote of confidence here – the message each donation sends to the top guys who can write the big checks with “the big zeroes”. And that money will surely be needed as we go forward.

Understand, friends: Your signature on a petition means “nothing” to a power-broker – that’s (as far as they are concerned) friggin’ free. But any money – even a dollar – speaks loudly to power. Them’s the facts, kids. You pay, you play. Or go home.

Putting your money where your mouth is matters more than the money itself. For a buck, you cannot possibly get a better nor more influential vote in the outcome at any price.

Our dollar/votes can speak very loudly indeed to those power brokers who are in a position to help Oath Keepers by writing out “big zeroes”. And the critical time is now; the balance is weighing.

My two cents, anyway.

Do it,

Selene

Cilka
30th January 2012, 03:48
Donating a dollar is not the problem for me. I just have a problem with him wanting to identify the number of supporters that are out there. Why does he need to know how many of us are supporting him? Is it just him that is in need to know this number, or is there someone else who is after this number? Who cares how many are supporting him? This just does not click with me, and other things as well.

jackovesk
30th January 2012, 03:56
Though I think there must be some truth in the story which will obviously take time to ferret out, I find the following points to be very relevant.
All this IS hugely distracting.
No wonder we're all tired!
And getting more and more tired of the whole game, and less and less willing to play, speaking for myself, at any rate.
But perhaps that is a necessary step.
The ego likes distracting games.
Perhaps the more we get fed up with it, the less likely it will be continuing.
I mean REALLY fed up!
Because if we accept that we truly are the CREATORS of these games, (though largely unaware that we are) once we get fed up enough with it, we will create something new and different.
But the recognition of our Creator status is the most important part of the process.
Once we've accomplished that, I would think we will find better uses for our energy than games.
Such as cleaning up the planet.


Good to see your starting to catch on, Onawah...:clap2:

NancyV
30th January 2012, 05:07
I appreciated that "Bill Wood" did not overly defend or offer excuses for his alleged sex crime. I say alleged because to have sex with a 15 or 16 year old defined as a sex crime is ludicrous, in my opinion, and is just another government control that I don't like. Throughout history females often married at very young ages, sometimes as young as 12...or younger. The age of consent is still 12 in a few countries. In many other countries it is 13, 14 or 15. Different states in the US have different ages of consent but none of the states had an age of consent over 12 until the 1880's. So all of a sudden after thousands of years of history females can no longer decide to have sex until they are over 16?

Personally my first boyfriend when I was 15 was 25. I left home at 16 and lived in Mexico with a 50 year old man for almost a year. My 3rd boyfriend when I was 17 and returned to the US was a 35 year old Russian professor at the University of California Irvine. Some females are ready to enter into sexual relations at younger ages than others. If anyone told me not to go out with older men I told them to mind their own business and I did what I wanted to do.

Bill Wood says he didn't know how young the girl was. Maybe he's telling the truth. He is correct in saying that "technically" it was a crime, but I believe it is a victim-less crime if the female consented to the sex. So I do not think his punishment fit the "crime" if the girl consented. He has been punished enough but obviously there are many people out there who don't think about the fact that the age of consent laws have not always had the consenting age as high as 16 or 18 and they can't resist castigating a man for a past mistake which probably should not even BE a crime.

aranuk
30th January 2012, 05:33
I tried to give a dollar in Camelot tonight but had trouble giving it. It seems the only way there to give money is by PayPal. It wouldn't accept my debit card. I have had trouble with Paypal for years because my original bank account had to be dumped as I had problems with internet shamsters trying to extract money from me with false pretences. Paypal will not allow me to give my new bank account number at all. It keeps looping asking me to give my password, or all sorts of things which keep looping. I wanted to give a dollar but Camelot only wants it via paypal. Well **** em.

Stan

Ilie Pandia
30th January 2012, 05:35
I very much agree that we should put our money where the value is! All too often those that provide real value are left with not financial support while money flows on so called "entertainment", "beauty products" and... you get the picture.

But I personally see no value in more secret plans and secret agendas.

Think about it for a moment. Where do you get value in your daily life? Are you supporting those you get value from? Not of a sense of duty or obligation but as a statement that "Yes, this is what I want to see more of, so I'll take money from the corporate affairs and I'll give some to this man or woman or project that makes a difference in their local community". I for one cannot show support for a plan I don't know anything of...

TargeT
30th January 2012, 05:41
I appreciated that "Bill Wood" did not overly defend or offer excuses for his alleged sex crime. I say alleged because to have sex with a 15 or 16 year old defined as a sex crime is ludicrous, in my opinion, and is just another government control that I don't like. Throughout history females often married at very young ages, sometimes as young as 12...or younger. The age of consent is still 12 in a few countries. In many other countries it is 13, 14 or 15. Different states in the US have different ages of consent but none of the states had an age of consent over 12 until the 1880's. So all of a sudden after thousands of years of history females can no longer decide to have sex until they are over 16?

Personally my first boyfriend when I was 15 was 25. I left home at 16 and lived in Mexico with a 50 year old man for almost a year. My 3rd boyfriend when I was 17 and returned to the US was a 35 year old Russian professor at the University of California Irvine. Some females are ready to enter into sexual relations at younger ages than others. If anyone told me not to go out with older men I told them to mind their own business and I did what I wanted to do.

Bill Wood says he didn't know how young the girl was. Maybe he's telling the truth. He is correct in saying that "technically" it was a crime, but I believe it is a victim-less crime if the female consented to the sex. So I do not think his punishment fit the "crime" if the girl consented. He has been punished enough but obviously there are many people out there who don't think about the fact that the age of consent laws have not always had the consenting age as high as 16 or 18 and they can't resist castigating a man for a past mistake which probably should not even BE a crime.

Romio 'n Julet were what... 14 'n 15?

I couldn't agree with your statement more.. in fact I think the "age of consent" is a part of the plan to keep us "children" for ****ING EVER.... 23 year olds living in their parrents houses? WT F? I was out of "my house" at like 15

same with allthe other **** that delays personal responsability

modwiz
30th January 2012, 05:55
I appreciated that "Bill Wood" did not overly defend or offer excuses for his alleged sex crime. I say alleged because to have sex with a 15 or 16 year old defined as a sex crime is ludicrous, in my opinion, and is just another government control that I don't like. Throughout history females often married at very young ages, sometimes as young as 12...or younger. The age of consent is still 12 in a few countries. In many other countries it is 13, 14 or 15. Different states in the US have different ages of consent but none of the states had an age of consent over 12 until the 1880's. So all of a sudden after thousands of years of history females can no longer decide to have sex until they are over 16?

Personally my first boyfriend when I was 15 was 25. I left home at 16 and lived in Mexico with a 50 year old man for almost a year. My 3rd boyfriend when I was 17 and returned to the US was a 35 year old Russian professor at the University of California Irvine. Some females are ready to enter into sexual relations at younger ages than others. If anyone told me not to go out with older men I told them to mind their own business and I did what I wanted to do.

Bill Wood says he didn't know how young the girl was. Maybe he's telling the truth. He is correct in saying that "technically" it was a crime, but I believe it is a victim-less crime if the female consented to the sex. So I do not think his punishment fit the "crime" if the girl consented. He has been punished enough but obviously there are many people out there who don't think about the fact that the age of consent laws have not always had the consenting age as high as 16 or 18 and they can't resist castigating a man for a past mistake which probably should not even BE a crime.

The irony is also these are laws made by the elite. These laws are part of a judicial system that is against us and under other circumstances we would be decrying their abuse. In this case though, these consent laws support an idea many hold or were given to hold. These laws have nothing to do with common law and are part and parcel of the Admiralty/corporate laws we usually hate, and rightly so.

aranuk
30th January 2012, 06:11
Boys are way behind in sexual developement compared with girls anyway. For God sake everyone knows this don't they? When puberty starts and boys are capable of becoming fathers and girls are capable of becoming mothers, the human race is almost sertainly never ever coming to an end. Teenagers are more or less the people on Earth that have the capacity and the where with all to ensure without a doubt that the human race survives. Whether a girl/woman is 15 or younger and has the where with all to have sex with a man she decides to have sex with has nothing at all do with anybody else. I would say that some 15 year old girls could easily seduce a 25 yr old guy who is a wee bitty backward at these sort of affairs.


Stan

TargeT
30th January 2012, 06:14
The irony is also these are laws made by the elite. These laws are part of a judicial system that is against us and under other circumstances we would be decrying their abuse. In this case though, these consent laws support an idea many hold or were given to hold. These laws have nothing to do with common law and are part and parcel of the Admiralty/corporate laws we usually hate, and rightly so.

Common Law can be reduced to two thiings:

Do everything you agree to do (the basis of all contract law, all business law)

Do NOT infringe on others or their property. (the base of all criminal law)

THAT IS IT!

one of my fellow alaskans (IN JAIL SINCE MARCH of this year FYI... he messed with the feds and they DO NOT PLAY) Schaefer Cox explains an excellent way to implement common law in your own community & hold police accountable to the laws (which most of them hardly understand / know....)

xFOUqurUgFk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFOUqurUgFk



Boys are way behind in sexual developement compared with girls anyway. For God sake everyone knows this don't they? When puberty starts and boys are capable of becoming fathers and girls are capable of becoming mothers, the human race is almost sertainly never ever coming to an end. Teenagers are more or less the people on Earth that have the capacity and the where with all to ensure without a doubt that the human race survives. Whether a girl/woman is 15 or younger and has the where with all to have sex with a man she decides to have sex with has nothing at all do with anybody else. I would say that some 15 year old girls could easily seduce a 25 yr old guy who is a wee bitty backward at these sort of affairs.


Stan

Here's an 11 year old MOTHER:
http://youngest_mother.tripod.com/

haha, if your not checking ID's your not smart (as a young man) the "law" can be a fickle thing & rarely has anything todo with reality.


I'm now 32... I've gone through so many phases in my life that I look back every 2 years or so and think "I was such a child then" this only because of the experiences and learning I had due to living... if we delay TRUE living until our 20's (aka 1/4th ur life) what are we doing OTHER than accomplishing the clear "do nothing till you die" goal ??????????

Consent is key, Information is key... I piratically got raped (But I was more than willing, just shocked) when I lost my virginity by an older girl (I was 15, which is "late" from what I understand on average)

Plus our society has such a taboo against this (for no logical reason that I can tell)... & honestly this is a very common tactic for character assassination... I actually feel thats one of the few things that lends a touch of creditably here..

bennycog
30th January 2012, 06:42
ok since it is going this way and it is not going to stop....
one question two answers.. no two questions four paths..
rape or consent? and the evidence is to believe who?
lets get this crap over and done with... start another thread..

Jenci
30th January 2012, 06:59
On the Paypal page for Brockbrader/Bill Wood it says the donation is for the Tree of Liberty Movement.

Here's an explanation of The Tree of Liberty movement. Is this the same man? Is this the movement the donations are going to?

At 3.20 he states that Muslim terrorists were responsible for 911. This video was uploaded to Youtube 12 Oct 2010.

That's not the story Brockbrader was telling Camelot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YZnnEGOx1zQ


Jeanette

gripreaper
30th January 2012, 08:05
On the Paypal page for Brockbrader/Bill Wood it says the donation is for the Tree of Liberty Movement.

Here's an explanation of The Tree of Liberty movement. Is this the same man? Is this the movement the donations are going to?

At 3.20 he states that Muslim terrorists were responsible for 911. This video was uploaded to Youtube 12 Oct 2010.

That's not the story Brockbrader was telling Camelot.

Jeanette

Wow Jeanette, great work. I'm going to assume that Brockbrader may have grown up a bit since this video was done, because trying to get anyone inside the beltway to do anything representative is totally naive. There is no representative government, just a Corprotocracy run by private interests under a state of emergency since the mid 1800's. I think statistically, about 60% worldwide believe that 9-11 was an inside job. So any organization, such as the Tim Turner restored republic, or Tree of liberty will not work.

Any notion which purports to revamp a system of law which began 5000 years ago, and go back to some imagined utopian time in the past and fix what is perceived to be broken, misses the mark

We need a whole new paradigm.

sleepy
30th January 2012, 08:24
[xxx xxxxx

christian
30th January 2012, 09:06
As I said before I may be happy to send a dollar after the "big reveal". It's not about a dollar.

The whole point of it is to do it before the interview.
Doing it after the interview would be like loving your spouse only after you and her died, kind of...

Huh? How do you get that out of a solicitation for funds?

It's about doing something in good faith. - And not about: being faithful only afterwards.

It's not really funds, as he only asks for $1, it's merely a vote. Bill Wood's words: "I would like to ask that everyone that is ready to see the world change, donate one dollar. You can donate more but that is all I need from any one person. The idea is to show just how many of us are out there so the boys that can put down some zeros on the checks will see that the support is here and the time to move is now."

Cidersomerset
30th January 2012, 09:28
Great find Jenci .............This shows us he is a actovist , but again leads to many more questions....

Still thinking about it,,,,,

christian
30th January 2012, 09:30
For all I know he could be part of a plan to take down the alternative media. Donating money may very well do harm.

Those who would have an interest in taking down the alternative media have all the money in the world.


Here's an explanation of The Tree of Liberty movement. Is this the same man? Is this the movement the donations are going to?

At 3.20 he states that Muslim terrorists were responsible for 911. This video was uploaded to Youtube 12 Oct 2010.

Very good find Jeanette :thumb:

A transcript of the mentioned section:




In the middle east the American military members are the tyrants and the 9-11 attackers are the patriots. Who's right? Both sides have taken thousands of innocent lives without a second thought. Both sides commit acts, that their religion strictly prohibits.

I very much want Kerry to adress this contradiction in the interview this weekend. I don't mean to be an apologist, but it's a possibility, that he could refer to "this is the mainstream point of view and neither group has the moral highground (hence we should stop this conflict peaceful)". This tactic is used also by Ron Paul for example, who does not talk about 9-11 being an inside job either.

modwiz
30th January 2012, 09:39
As I said before I may be happy to send a dollar after the "big reveal". It's not about a dollar.

The whole point of it is to do it before the interview.
Doing it after the interview would be like loving your spouse only after you and her died, kind of...

Huh? How do you get that out of a solicitation for funds?

It's about doing something in good faith. - And not about: being faithful only afterwards.

It's not really funds, as he only asks for $1, it's merely a vote. Bill Wood's words: "I would like to ask that everyone that is ready to see the world change, donate one dollar. You can donate more but that is all I need from any one person. The idea is to show just how many of us are out there so the boys that can put down some zeros on the checks will see that the support is here and the time to move is now."

Let me include the rest of the message you have there Chiquetet because I believe it makes clear that this is not about raising money in this exercise:" Realize this - one donation of $100,000 doesn't help...as the universe responds to action, individual donations are the keys. I need to identify the number of supporters that are out there currently."

This one sentence is spoken in a language that some of us recognize, and it is not a request for money, from us.

Intranuclear
30th January 2012, 09:40
On the Paypal page for Brockbrader/Bill Wood it says the donation is for the Tree of Liberty Movement.

Here's an explanation of The Tree of Liberty movement. Is this the same man? Is this the movement the donations are going to?

At 3.20 he states that Muslim terrorists were responsible for 911. This video was uploaded to Youtube 12 Oct 2010.

That's not the story Brockbrader was telling Camelot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YZnnEGOx1zQ


Jeanette

So I watched the video and re-watched the area around 3.20 and did not see/hear any reference to a claim that Muslims claimed 911. He is saying that both sides (Christians and Muslims) claim that killing is wrong but both justify killing. No mention of 911.
Are you sure you are not mixing videos?

Jenci
30th January 2012, 09:43
Great find Jenci .............This shows us he is a actovist , but again leads to many more questions....

Still thinking about it,,,,,



Yes Steve it does lead to many more questions. One that I have - did Kerry check out what the Tree of Liberty Movement is before linking a paypal donate button to it on her website? We are told she has seen evidence that this man is who he says he is - what is that evidence and where is it?

I don't take credit for finding the video. It was posted on other forums. I was happy to put it up in this thread. It's important that people know who and what they are donating money to.

Jeanette

Jenci
30th January 2012, 09:51
So I watched the video and re-watched the area around 3.20 and did not see/hear any reference to a claim that Muslims claimed 911. He is saying that both sides (Christians and Muslims) claim that killing is wrong but both justify killing. No mention of 911.
Are you sure you are not mixing videos?

He is saying that in the Middle East, the 911 attackers are seen as patriots. He goes on to say that "both sides" have taken thousands of innocent lives.
To me this is enough to say that he is confirming the official 911 story of Muslim hijackers.

And if it is not enough to confirm it, then I could say, why is is not saying in this video that 911 was an inside job and that Tomahawk missiles were used and not planes and he knew this because of his expertise with the Tomahawks?

Jeanette

Cidersomerset
30th January 2012, 09:57
Thats one of the points I'm mulling over, who was his audiance? I don't think it was us , it may have been directed at more mainstream actovists
who are not yet down the rabbit hole, but know something is not right.....

Its all general aims that are part of the political dogma we are in today , the capitalist system is supposed to have a trickle down effect....
As we know it is the other way round with a trickle up effect....The rich get richer the poor get poorer..The system as it being used is
politically corrupt and redundent.......

I hope Kerry see's this and can bring it to his attention for clarifaction...as said things have moved rapidly in the past few years so his
views would be changing with access to new info if he is watching sites like this......

Of course I could make the complete opposite argument that he is a plant and been placed with probably many others to infiltrate
the awakening proccess and keep the corporate military status quo and elites in power....Without him or others being aware of
it.......or he could have another agenda,,,,

I don't get that vibe yet, though I'm wary......I know some do .....again all we can do is monitor and go with flow for now and keep alert !!
Which we are doing !!!

Jenci
30th January 2012, 09:59
I very much want Kerry to adress this contradiction in the interview this weekend. I don't mean to be an apologist, but it's a possibility, that he could refer to "this is the mainstream point of view and neither group has the moral highground (hence we should stop this conflict peaceful)". This tactic is used also by Ron Paul for example, who does not talk about 9-11 being an inside job either.

But Ron Paul has not come out and now said that 911 was an inside job. Brockbrader has.

So what are we to believe? If he made that video in 2010 when he knew it was not true, how much of the rest of the video is not true? What does it say about Tree of Liberty Movement which is now being asked for financial donations?

Jeanette

Jenci
30th January 2012, 10:10
For all I know he could be part of a plan to take down the alternative media. Donating money may very well do harm.

Those who would have an interest in taking down the alternative media have all the money in the world.

It's not about money, Chiquetet. It's about ensuring that no one in their right minds would go from the MSM and look to the alternative media for answers.

Jeanette

christian
30th January 2012, 10:13
You were the one mentioning the two together:
- him possible being part of a sinister plan to take down alternative media
- donating money to him being of harm

There is disinfo in the alternative media anyways, a lot of it deliberately spread by COINTELPRO. Not that I don't take attacks on Camelot / Avalon serious. - People 'in their right minds' carefully examine all available evidence anyways and don't throw away the baby with any bathtub.



I very much want Kerry to adress this contradiction in the interview this weekend. I don't mean to be an apologist, but it's a possibility, that he could refer to "this is the mainstream point of view and neither group has the moral highground (hence we should stop this conflict peaceful)". This tactic is used also by Ron Paul for example, who does not talk about 9-11 being an inside job either.

But Ron Paul has not come out and now said that 911 was an inside job. Brockbrader has.

I bet there are situations, where Ron Paul clearly says, that 9-11 was an inside job, just not in public. Different situations require different tactics. His perceived situation may have lead Bill to conclude, that stating it the way he did was reasonable. Anyways, Bill should be asked about this, until then, again, only speculation...

modwiz
30th January 2012, 10:14
Great find Jenci .............This shows us he is a actovist , but again leads to many more questions....

Still thinking about it,,,,,





Yes Steve it does lead to many more questions. One that I have - did Kerry check out what the Tree of Liberty Movement is before linking a paypal donate button to it on her website? We are told she has seen evidence that this man is who he says he is - what is that evidence and where is it?

I don't take credit for finding the video. It was posted on other forums. I was happy to put it up in this thread. It's important that people know who and what they are donating money to.

Jeanette

Hello Jeanette,
An observation. It may seem to some eyes that you and I may be working the crowd in differing fashions. OK. I would have to say what motivates me is my view of the future that I see unfolding and how it fits very well with statements/visions put forth by the two Bills, Wood and Ryan. One where, despite what the news of both MSM and alternative focus on, Armeggedon and devastation are avoided and white hats pop out of places in the nick of time while we all get our act together in an almost miraculous fashion.

I am finding great confirmation of a brighter future right here in this thread. The last few pages of posts are staggered with some against BW and his idea, some for it and some undecided. The various sides have been exchanging ideas and responding across the 'aisle'. The personal attacks and vitriol have basically disappeared. You and I post side by side, with both feeling that all is just as it should be. It is this kind of security and ability to not have to agree but still have harmony that indicates the future we are projecting for us all to meet in.

I am pleased and encouraged. I honor our need and ability to be true to ourselves in a civil fashion that will make our would be controllers realize that checkmate is just a few formal moves away. We're keeping it classy.

Cidersomerset
30th January 2012, 10:27
Well put modwiz thats one of the reasons I've been monitoring this thread like a 'mother hen'
as I feel for good or bad this is one of those pivotal momments on the forum that needs
level thinking and now we have calmed down it would be nice to to see this thru the next
few phases logically.....

I feel we all have our doubts about BW, but it has sparked an energy and things were getting
a little dull around here without Lord Sid....I wonder what he makes of BW , would be
interresting..LOL....Actually forget that bit,it may set the sparks flying again...

christian
30th January 2012, 10:31
Well put Steve, but in a heated atmosphere Rob tended not to walk with his usual aplomb.

Cidersomerset
30th January 2012, 10:35
I just remembered that.......Thats why he is not here .....Sorry Rob ..good luck with what ever you are upto if you are looking in.....Steve

christian
30th January 2012, 10:41
Just found that, forgive me for being off topic:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/390645_320179214669901_237626232925200_1157250_430 987292_n.jpg

modwiz
30th January 2012, 10:54
For me, with BW it is the message, delivered in the last half hour of the video. The messenger is not the message and confusing them has cost us time and energy. My best analogy is, I give a courier a letter/message to deliver to another party across town. On his way across town he kills some people, ducks into an alley and has sex with someone that some may take extreme exception to, leaves the alley and kills a few more people before arriving at his destination with the letter/message. The recipient has some information regarding this courier, they have been informed of the homicide and improper sexual activity that the courier has engaged in while in transit. The recipient opens the package and finds very good news inside, news that has been very much hoped for, but turns to the courier and says, "This message is utterly useless to me, you sir, are a criminal and a murderer, and this information is now worthless".

I'll take the good news, it agrees with my vision of the future. It agrees with a vision/message that another Bill received and has shared with us.
Just being true to myself and what I see. It is all I can do with this situation and information besides cast a dollar vote.

Nerge
30th January 2012, 10:55
I think this is going to be an interesting week, with what BW has stated he will disclose at the next interview; the Vegas situation and which ex-seal is behind all of this.

If this is in fact accurate then I would think certain people would be very worried this week and looking to prevent this - we'll see what happens (or not).

As for the request for a donation business; it has my support as I wish to support positive energy behind this. You have nothing to lose but $1 if your intent is positive; if there is any deception or negative intent behind it then that's ultimately down to them to deal with as it boomerangs back and smacks them in the face. :)

jaybee
30th January 2012, 10:55
When Charles came along and said "I want to solve things with you" I said "I'll work with him until it turns out that he is not genuine". - Said and done.

Now Bill gets the same chance. If you say you want to help humanity, you got a plan that exceeds my current one and you would appreciate my help, I'm with you - till I find out you're a fraud. --- I can spare a buck :cool:

Me too Chiquetet, I can spare a buck. There is no way a dollar towards a positive idea can make a fool of me. Being a cynic in the face of hope is sad, IMO. This may be legitimate and I want my 'vote' counted.

POST UPDATE:

Done!


bolded.....actually it can...if Brockbrader turns out to be an out and out con man.




To any who have some trepidation about a dollar. A dollar? I know, it's the principle, right? Please, this is about energy expenditure, a major concern of the warrior/sorcerers of the Yaqui way. It is so much easier to just give the dollar than to wonder who, why and if. Of course, if after you press the send button for that dollar you will agonize over whether you did the right thing then sending that dollar would be ill advised. It is all about energy sent and yours being conserved. I say this to try and help with some clarity here. I have no judgement about right or wrong.

To thine own self be true.


yes...that's right...it's the principle.

and this particular twist in the Brockbrader saga IS about money. Pure and simple.

IMO....

modwiz
30th January 2012, 11:07
An interesting kind of energetic mitosis is occurring, but instead of two identical offspring, yin and yang versions take form. All part of the learning dance, and the dance isn't over yet.

I am glad that in my version of reality, a dollar cannot buy, or make, a fool. The future is about creating our own realities. The past was too, but the time lag made it difficult to perceive, especially where patience is not a virtue.

spiritwind
30th January 2012, 11:20
I spent many years as a single mom raising my two sons. One day a homeless girl somehow grabbed my attention and I somehow found myself giving her my last $20. I remember thinking later, what if she just goes and spends that on alcohol and cigarettes? I myself was working at the time and knew I would have more income although I was living well below the poverty level. I realized I gave her the money because I was moved to do so in the moment because it simply felt like the right thing to do. It was a way for me to express gratitude to the universe for all that I did have and all that was right in my world. It was given in the hope that it would in some way make her world a better place, even if only for a short time. I decided then I would never look back and that it was my intent that really mattered rather than what she ended up spending the money on. I would say that is how I feel in this case. I'm going to get an address so I can send a dollar to so I don't have to use pay-pal or my debit card because that does make me somewhat uncomfortable, but otherwise, my vote is yes.

jaybee
30th January 2012, 11:32
even if he is not what he says he is, it is not his fault that he has not found his true self, we should pitty him not hate him.


I don't hate him, I never said that. But a lot of $1 donations can add up to substantial money. Ask the march of dimes, or the salvation army, or the MD association, or...

exactly...

Will Brockbrader become rich if he can pull this off?

Maybe he will need the money to escape all the angry Seals who are on his case......

Jeeeezus...you couldn't make all this stuff up. But it IS very entertaining and I look forward to the next episode....;)

.

Mad Hatter
30th January 2012, 11:32
Mad Hatter dons his cynics cap...

Just a dollar from everyone who wants to see change in the world.... Lets say 500,000 watched the interview and 50% vote as requested.

Thats what, $250,000 for a couple of hours work. Not bad if you can get it. Just in case that doesn't take the cake the whole 'show me the money' angle is to apparently get assurances for those who will write some real zeros. Can't help think they must have some deeeeeep pockets.

Thing is those with said deep pockets don't usually get them without having a certain outlook or attitude regarding money, as in whats in it for me. This would indicate that the investors see an even more interesting deal or exchange of energy in the offing.

Based on that alone, the unannounced 'plan', whatever it may turn out to be, must hold a return of energy $uitably impre$$ive enough to warrant $uch a large initial outlay. Could a chance for seat on top of some new paradigm be ju$tification??

Part of me has to smile at the implication of how much of each dollar goes toward bank fees and charges thus aiding and abetting the current bankster paradigm.

PS Billy boy is just lucky it wasn't my daughter as he'd be a eunuch right now... Call me old fashioned but IMHO a 25 year old that is too dumb to keep his prick in his pants around someone that much younger displays a distinct lack of discernment, maturity, empathy, decency and or simple common sense.

On the other hand if that sort of behaviour really is OK by you then I'll take it you would not have a problem with a 12 year sticking his fingers in a 3 year old simply because its physically possible!!

Whatever drives your bus but don't ever try and tell me your some sort of spiritual being...

christian
30th January 2012, 11:34
There is no way a dollar towards a positive idea can make a fool of me. Being a cynic in the face of hope is sad, IMO. This may be legitimate and I want my 'vote' counted.


actually it can...if Brockbrader turns out to be an out and out con man.

and this particular twist in the Brockbrader saga IS about money. Pure and simple.


It's one thing to follow someone like a lemming over a cliff and another to send $1 somewhere. For most people in the western world $1 is merely symbolic, it's a gesture. I don't expect Bill Wood to become significantly rich with the money that comes in. What is to be expected there? A couple of thousand at best. And even it is was more, no amount of dollars will be worth much in the times to come. And it's a one time thing, I will surely not send anything to his paypal account again, he says it's only a vote and the big players would add the zeros if this plays out nicely.