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Helvetic
19th July 2010, 08:18
The Breaking of the Loop Current in the Gulf Stream


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Hy9AhOdec

Science shows the Loop Current in the Gulf Stream has broken. Will this mean an end to the icefree Northern Hemisphere?

download article (http://www.associazionegeofisica.it/OilSpill.pdf)

Elandiel BernElve
19th July 2010, 09:00
Thanks Helvetic, I'll guess we'll have to wait and see how our next summer and winter is gonna be..
Not mentioning the impact of the strange behavior of the Sun lately, we're in for climatic change anyway

Etherios
19th July 2010, 10:18
omg i always thought the oil had to get to the atlantic to create a problem... but this ... i wish ppl with climate knowledge talk more about this here ... we need this info..

ascendingstarseed
20th July 2010, 07:53
Wow! That's serious news, I wonder what the this means for all the oil in the Gulf. All a long they've been saying that the current would take the oil up the Atlantic coastline and then out towards Northern Europe, will most of the oil and toxins stay in the Gulf like a toxic stew?

If this is permanent it can't be good for weather patterns in the farm belt either...

Etherios
20th July 2010, 10:46
Wow! That's serious news, I wonder what the this means for all the oil in the Gulf. All a long they've been saying that the current would take the oil up the Atlantic coastline and then out towards Northern Europe, will most of the oil and toxins stay in the Gulf like a toxic stew?

If this is permanent it can't be good for weather patterns in the farm belt either...

man gulf stream effects the Atlantic currents... if this stops ... it WILL effect the weather globally... lets hope this isnt going to happen.

ascendingstarseed
20th July 2010, 12:05
thanks for the post, this is very serious indeed...

jack
20th July 2010, 12:08
This happens at around and about the same time every year, no real need to worry guys. Just take a look at the graphs for the loop current this time last year, they are almost identical ; http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051004083920.htm

Last year at this time ; http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/gifs_tmp/gom_ssh/gmt.9492.gif
This year, right now ; http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/gifs_tmp/gom_ssh/gmt.9670.gif

We are the ones who have control over the fear and panic that is used to make us create a false reality. Be careful not to jump on the fear bandwagon.

Humble Janitor
20th July 2010, 18:27
Can you say MORE DOOM? LOL.

I would take a wait-and-see attitude before panicking. Of course, GLP and ATS must be having a field day with these pictures. :whistle:

TOTHE
3rd August 2010, 02:28
Loop current surface velocity: still in the eddy formation. Make your own map for whatever year you want in this link..also day to day "eddy watch". Time to start worring??
http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/gom-real-time_velmag/
http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/gifs_tmp/gom_vel/gmt.25834.gif
http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/gifs_tmp/gom_vel/gmt.25911.gif

MorningSong
3rd August 2010, 11:50
I found an email with this "info" that the Gulf Loop had "broken" on Saturday and spent the most of the afternoon researching on the net.

I started here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_Current which gives an overall definition of the phenom.


Part of the Gulf Stream, the Loop Current is a warm ocean current in the Gulf of Mexico that flows northward between Cuba and the Yucatán peninsula, moves north into the Gulf of Mexico, loops west and south before exiting to the east through the Florida Straits.

A related feature is an area of warm water called an "Eddy" or "Loop Current ring" that separates from the Loop Current, somewhat randomly. These rings then drift to the west at speeds of about 5 cm/s (0.18 km/h or 0.11 mph) and bump into the coast of Texas or Mexico.

Around 1970, it was believed that the Loop Current exhibited an annual cycle in which the Loop feature extended farther to the north during the summer. Further study over the past few decades, however, has shown that the extension to the north (and the shedding of eddies) does not have a significant annual cycle.

From there I was led to the mentioned Colorodo Altimetry site mentioned on other posts. I must have gone through 2 years of info adn found that in 2008 a similar situation diveloped. Here is a view of the data from Aug 1st, 2010.

http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/gifs_tmp/gom_ssh/gmt.7950.gif

As you can see, the current IS flowing into the Gulf through the Yucatan pass, a new "loop" IS forming in the Gulf and, also what's important, the warm current IS flowing out of the gulf under Florida which will head up the east coast.

I did find this article from the 22nd of July, stating that the breaking of the Gulf loop meant that the oil would not find its way out of the Gulf (at that time) which is/was good for the east coast, but I assume, bad for the Gulf.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/as-loop-current-splits-south-florida-catches-a-break/1110244

The main eye-opener, for me, was that the eddy now formed in the Gulf is very warm water that could accellerate a hurricane should one pass over it before it (the loop) dissipates against the Texas coast.

From WIKI:

The Loop Current and its eddies may be detected by measuring sea surface level. Sea surface level of both
the Eddies and the Loop on September 21, 2005 was up to 60 cm (24 in) higher than surrounding water,
indicating a deep area of warm water beneath them.[1] On that day, Hurricane Rita passed over the Loop
current and intensified into a Category 5 storm with the help of the warm water.

Now what would be very serious is IF the current from the Yucatan moving INTO the Gulf or the current moving OUT of the Gulf under Florida should stall... but this is just IF, people, and it hasn't happened yet, so don't let this report of the "broken" loop frighten you. And yet, if you really want to see the (mis?) info, unfortunately, you can read it here (I hate that Marshall put this out as many people will think it is "absolutely correct" info, and it might be, but I seriously doubt it).

http://yowusa.com/earth/2010/earth-0810-01a/1.shtml

Search, research and decifer for yourselves.

Bill Ryan
3rd August 2010, 14:22
I found an email with this "info" that the Gulf Loop had "broken" on Saturday and spent the most of the afternoon researching on the net.

I started here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_Current which gives an overall definition of the phenom.



From there I was led to the mentioned Colorodo Altimetry site mentioned on other posts. I must have gone through 2 years of info adn found that in 2008 a similar situation diveloped. Here is a view of the data from Aug 1st, 2010.

http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/gifs_tmp/gom_ssh/gmt.7950.gif

As you can see, the current IS flowing into the Gulf through the Yucatan pass, a new "loop" IS forming in the Gulf and, also what's important, the warm current IS flowing out of the gulf under Florida which will head up the east coast.

I did find this article from the 22nd of July, stating that the breaking of the Gulf loop meant that the oil would not find its way out of the Gulf (at that time) which is/was good for the east coast, but I assume, bad for the Gulf.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/as-loop-current-splits-south-florida-catches-a-break/1110244

The main eye-opener, for me, was that the eddy now formed in the Gulf is very warm water that could accellerate a hurricane should one pass over it before it (the loop) dissipates against the Texas coast.

From WIKI:


Now what would be very serious is IF the current from the Yucatan moving INTO the Gulf or the current moving OUT of the Gulf under Florida should stall... but this is just IF, people, and it hasn't happened yet, so don't let this report of the "broken" loop frighten you. And yet, if you really want to see the (mis?) info, unfortunately, you can read it here (I hate that Marshall put this out as many people will think it is "absolutely correct" info, and it might be, but I seriously doubt it).

http://yowusa.com/earth/2010/earth-0810-01a/1.shtml

Search, research and decifer for yourselves.

Thank you, MorningSong - good information, and very much appreciated.

An excellent example of how this forum can be a place of sharing research.

Operator
3rd August 2010, 14:50
The main eye-opener, for me, was that the eddy now formed in the Gulf is very warm water that could accellerate a hurricane should one pass over it before it (the loop) dissipates against the Texas coast.


I had the same thought ... if warm water is not able to 'escape' it will be feeding potential hurricanes more when they pass.
Since the gulf is 'fed' by a stream passing the Yucatan peninsula there is a potential that the Caribbean sea will warm up eventually ...

Fortunately the approaching storm (Colin) seems to sway of north instead of entering the Caribbean ...

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT04/refresh/AL0410W5_NL_sm2+gif/143214W5_NL_sm.gif

norwaymike
3rd August 2010, 15:25
Great info about the loop current! The film link, about Nibriu... At best, Nibriu must be placed into a context of mankind's spiritual evolution. This film does not attempt even to bring this event into context. Therefore it seems to be just part of that general background noise of speculation, conjecture, dreaming and fragmentation that gets people caught up in details that take their attention away from the task at hand - increasing the number of spiritually awakened human beings on this planet as, again this time as a MINIMUM necessity for regaining a really sustainable future - either in 3,4,or 5 density as they call them!

TOTHE
3rd August 2010, 20:00
This is the best scientific write up I found on the loop current so far. Fascinating read.
Abrupt Climate Change: Should We Be Worried?
Part of text from link below.
By Robert B. Gagosian
President and Director
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Prepared for a panel on abrupt climate change at the
World Economic Forum
Davos, Switzerland, January 27, 2003
".......About 12,700 years ago, as Earth emerged from the most recent ice age and began to warm, the Conveyor was disrupted. Within a decade, average temperatures in the North Atlantic region plummeted nearly 5°.
This cold period, known as the Younger Dryas, lasted 1,300 years. It is named after an Arctic wildflower. Scientists have found substantial evidence that cold-loving dryas plants thrived during this era in European and US regions that today are too warm. Deep-sea sediment cores show that icebergs extended as far south as the coast of Portugal. The Younger Dryas ended as abruptly as it began. Within a decade, North Atlantic waters and the regional climate warmed again to pre-Younger Dryas levels.

A similar cooling occurred 8,200 years ago. It lasted only about a century—a blip in geological time, but a catastrophe if such a cooling occurred today."
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?cid=9986&pid=12455&tid=282

MorningSong
3rd August 2010, 21:18
Very good info. Thanks Tothe!

TOTHE
4th August 2010, 19:11
Monitoring the Gulf of Mexico Conditions During the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill From the Oil Spill Response Workshop NOAA/AOML and NOAA/SEFSC sites. This is an alternative way for us to monitor the Gulf and dispel any "false flag" panic attack attempts. So far the loop looks good with a large eddy to the North that WILL turn the Gulf into a warm pond to feed the engines of any stray or passing hurricane.
Here is the index for all the GOM products.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dhos/index.php
Latest loop current "plug-in" map from the NOAA/AOML and NOAA/CoastWatch
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dhos/geos.php
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dhos/fig_sat/gc//gulf_20100803.gif

TOTHE
7th August 2010, 00:07
Now we have 3 sources for GOM plug in maps for speed/currents, SSH & SST.
Lets see who is the most un-biased re. latest Marshall Masters update!
Update# 1 http://yowusa.com/earth/2010/earth-0810-05a/1.shtml

From the US Naval Research Laboratory
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/global_nlom32/skill.html
Snapshot & movies of GOM note: get a load of the July 13 loop current stall.
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/global_nlom32/gom.html

From The Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/gom-real-time_velmag/

From NOAA/AOML and NOAA/SEFSC
Index.
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dhos/index.php
"plug-in" map
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dhos/geos.php

Index of all Ocean Conveyer articles of research from the Hole
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455

MorningSong
7th August 2010, 22:20
Tothe, I have only just now seen Marshall's update:


Lets see who is the most un-biased re. latest Marshall Masters update!
Update# 1 http://yowusa.com/earth/2010/earth-0810-05a/1.shtml

Very interesting....
Hmm... now I begin to doubt my own small research since I, too, used the same source of data [New?] as the researcher himself [Old and New]... I'm asking myself if the data I looked at is reliable..what a pity! I will be taking a look at the Navy data for comparison.

Now, his appology to the University in question is quite revealing, too. Someone stomped on his toes!

Although I am not a Nuclear Physicist nor an Oceanography expert, I still believe that the "broken loop" is a natural and cyclical phenom BUT a close friend has mentioned that the oil/dispersant could effectively impact the current as well as the temperature of the water in the Gulf in the absence of the typical loop at this time. I will be watching with great curiosity this possibility.

HORIZONS
7th August 2010, 22:26
Dr Deagle reveals a source and talks about this towards the end of this show on fri. http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast/nutri_med/0806102.mp3
His claim is that it is not a broken loop current but a dead one. Hopefully this is false. We shall see!

TOTHE
8th August 2010, 05:25
MorningSong; I agree with your conclusions and concern.
All we can do is watch the frequency of the interruptions and hope they do not increase. Each interruption as it moves up the Ocean Conveyer will have an effect on the weather as Greybeard commented on his experience this year. The Icelandic Volcano hammered the upper part of the Atlantic Conveyer this year I am assuming. None of this stuff good as it adds to the disruption vectors present to the worldwide conveyer system. So far hurricanes have been most common natural disrupters.
I am not an expert either, my hydrology experience is limited to the study of mud puddles when I was 6 years old.
Looking at 3 of the maps of the GOM I can see that the current stall develops is when the Franklyn Eddy breaks off. The cyclonic spin of the eddy blocks the current. Then the anti-cyclonic eddy moves in from west between Franklyn Eddy and the Current just at the 'pinch' to get the Current restarted. So again, we have to be concerned with the frequency of the stalls with a historical reference going back a couple of years before we start jumping to conclusions.
Sigh, now I have to look and see what Dr. Deagle says in the link of the previous post...every day seems to be a big test on my objectivity.

morguana
8th August 2010, 09:59
thank you avalonians for your time and effort spent reading around this subject and for posting lots of interesting info
love
m

TOTHE
9th August 2010, 01:18
We could use this as a possible 4th. source for GOM & Gulf Stream data..

Naval Research Laboratory real-time experiment with the 1/25° Gulf of Mexico HYCOM The archives do go back to June.
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomGOM2/skill_public.html

Information about the consorium.
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomGOM2/prologue.html

HYCOM website..called experiment here too. Archives go back to 2003.
http://www.hycom.org/

Found more papers on the loop current.
Mega-flood triggered European ice age: At the end of this article I find JPL is going political trying to downplay the significance of a Gulf Stream slow down...in other words they don't know or are total jerks.
Part or text from link below.

"Scientists say they have found the trigger of a sharp cooling 13,000 years ago that plunged Europe into a mini ice age......
The finding has confirmed past theories about the likely cause of a sudden cooling period called the Younger Dryas when temperatures in Europe plunged into ice age conditions that lasted for about 1400 years."
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/04/01/2862429.htm?
Index
http://search.abc.net.au/search/search.cgi?query=ocean+conveyer&sort=&collection=abcall&form=simple&meta_v=science

TOTHE
12th August 2010, 02:08
Different NOAA site: The EMC Marine Modeling Center where you can change the parameters e.g., depth. Has screens for SST (temp), SSH (height), SSS (salinity) and SSI (velocity) with archives going back 3 months.
GOM
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/viewer.shtml?-gulfmex-cur-0-small-rundate=latest
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/aofs_images/small/aofs_cur_f096_gulfmex.png
Atlantic
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/viewer.shtml?-natl-cur-0-small-rundate=latest
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/aofs_images/small/aofs_cur_f072_natl.png
Home page
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/

bashi
12th August 2010, 23:39
Hi folks,
the Loop Current shows a repeatedly occurring phenomena: The creation of a closed circle of water streams within the Gulf of Mexico.

This process is called the “shedding of an Loop Current Eddy (LCE)”.

An oceanographic expert should know that, and also any scientist who has done his homework properly.

It looks like as if the Loop Current got disrupted or cut, but it is only a reoccurring variation within a very complex system of currents.
This creation of Eddies has been observed for long by scientists, which were also worried about the effect of this phenomena on the Gulf Stream.
Here an intro by experts:



http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7846/eddysheddingcomments.png (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/eddysheddingcomments.png/)


A reconnection between Loop Current and eddy can happen even within days.
Here the time which has lapsed inbetween the creation of a new eddy:



http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8352/eddysheddingtimelapse.png (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/eddysheddingtimelapse.png/)


It can be read like this:
In-between the time of July 1973 and December 2003 a period lapse of 6 months happened 7 times. Also the a period of 11 months happened 7 times. A period of 9 months happened 4 times; and so on.
It shows that the creation of an Eddy has happened 38 times within the observed period of 1973-2003.


So this is a re-occuring natural phenomena.

source: http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/atm/vol19-1/ATM19104.pdf

As can be seen, the time period in-between the creation of a new eddy varies considerably.


Here a picture of an eddy called “Ulysses” in 2004:

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/47/2004ulysses.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/i/2004ulysses.jpg/)


Again: This phenomena is not new and nothing to worry about; at least not for now.

It does not explain the modification of the pictures presented by Dr. Zangari. It looks as if something is not right.


The disruption of the Gulf Stream was triggered by an event which caused also the " Clovis Extinction Event" for the north amercian region, which is VERY much worth looking at (Tip: look also at "Usselo Horizon" for the european region)....


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jeannacav
13th August 2010, 04:13
Hi everybody,

The posts and links have been great.
Thanks for this thread.

I have been following the noaa visible loop and I would like to add that here.

noaa visible north atlantic loop (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/loop-vis.html)

It requires flash.
What I noticed over the past couple of months is that there is very little humidity inside the gulf.

Now figure this...
Corexit, because of the toluene or benzene in it, is basically a 'drier' chemical. It is the stuff found in varnishes to make them dry in 1 day and not 1 week.

So, it is VERY likely that there CANNOT be a hurricane in the gulf this year simply because it is too dry.
The ocean and gulf temperatures can get as warm as they will, but the warmth is probably an indication of humidity that can feed a storm. Without the clouds, there will be no storm!

So, that is the reason I want to make this 'loop video' easy to find and so post it here, so we can watch the humidity as the visible loop shows it.

thank you,

jeanna

TOTHE
13th August 2010, 22:52
Climate Change: Move or Adapt
Dr. Marcia K. McNutt, director of the U.S. Geological Survey in the Department of the Interior , answered questions in a March 17 CO.NX webchat on climate adaptation. I have included the text part that discusses the Gulf Stream and the Haiti earthquake. Remember that the Yucatan Current feeds into the GOM. If we see an increase in oscillations, the earthquake could be a contributing factor. Please read the whole interview to see the big picture.
BTW, thank you for the links Jeannacav and Bashi..that's the way to go!

Read more: http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-english/2010/March/20100323165235xjsnommis0.6873852.html#ixzz0wWhpqQhY

Manyy people think of sea level rise as simply filling up a bathtub. You know, glaciers melt, ocean expands from thermal expansion and it fills up. But what many people don’t understand is that that is actually the smallest component of sea level rise. That there are actually a number of other contributors to sea level rise that if we call that the eustatic component that is due to glaciers melting and thermal expansion of the ocean that there’s actually is a component due to tectonic effects, which are very well known on active margins such as Sumatra, Haiti, the west coast of the U.S., anywhere around the ring of fire in the Pacific Ocean and in the Indian Ocean.

And then there’s oceanographic effects, changes in ocean circulation, which is anywhere around the Gulf Stream or any place like that. For example, the Haiti earthquake, the magnitude 7 Haiti earthquake, undid 150 years of sea level rise. And that was a strike slip earthquake. It wasn’t even a thrust earthquake like Sumatra, but 150 years of sea level rise was undone by that one earthquake. Oceanographic effects which we expect to change with climate change are much larger than simply the melting of glaciers in terms of their effect on sea level rise.

Swami
17th September 2010, 15:33
Something to keep in mind........

Down here in the Lowlands every ship faster than 20 km/hour and ships longer than 15 meters is obliged to get new hydrografical maps every year.
There are daily changes in depth and (because off) currents.

I'm not saying that nothing is "wrong" with the north Atlantic Gulfstream, but I have seen several threads on this this subject now and I think A LOT of fearmongering is going on.

I think THIS (http://www.rense.com/MexicoAlreadyDead.html) is the article it all started with...........

Again, before someone chops my head off, I'm not saying the conveyor belt is acting normally.......

Maybe we should ask David Wilcock because he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, at least thats what he tells....
Edgar Cayce predicted this:

The first sign of this change in the Earth's core would be the "breaking up of some conditions" in the South Pacific and "sinking or rising" in the Mediterranean or Etna area. Cayce forecast that, by the end of the century, New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco would be destroyed. He said that "the greater portion of Japan must go into the sea" at this time, and that northern Europe would be "changed as in the twinkling of an eye." In 1941, Cayce predicted that lands would appear in the Atlantic and the Pacific in the coming years, and that "the coastline now of many a land will be the bed of the ocean. Even many of the battlefields of (1941) will be ocean, will be the sea, the bays, the lands over which the new order will carry on their trade as with one another."

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/phoebe.htm

To be honest, I'm more worried about this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5558-What-is-going-on-with-the-mag-field-today&p=51144&viewfull=1#post51144).
Especially this link MorningSong posted. See what happened with the Earth Magnetic field!

Anyone have any suggestions???
Go here http://www2.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simulation/realtime/ and look at every image since 1AM! Incredible!!!

Could these two phenomena be related.....?

bashi
19th September 2010, 16:37
Here some pics to get a better idea:

See the red "blob" developing in to the north?

Thats the shedding of the Loop Current Eddy (LCE) of this year:

Start in January:



http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1183/jan21.gif (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/jan21.gif/)


http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3448/feb21.gif (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/feb21.gif/)

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9162/mar21.gif (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/mar21.gif/)

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2900/apr21.gif (http://img530.imageshack.us/i/apr21.gif/)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1927/jun05.gif (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/jun05.gif/)

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/714/jun26.gif (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/jun26.gif/)

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/876/jul10.gif (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/jul10.gif/)

bashi
19th September 2010, 16:42
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3410/jul24.gif (http://img688.imageshack.us/i/jul24.gif/)

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2425/aug07.gif (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/aug07.gif/)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1114/aug21.gif (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/aug21.gif/)

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6315/sept04.gif (http://img837.imageshack.us/i/sept04.gif/)

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5734/sept18.gif (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/sept18.gif/)


As you can see the Eddy gets weaker and weaker, somehow normalising the situation.





Here now the velocities of the Gulf Stream in September this year:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2504/gulf100911vel.gif (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/gulf100911vel.gif/)



and from September last year:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1691/gulf090911vel.gif (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/gulf090911vel.gif/)



I am not able to see anything dramatic, apart from some statistical fluctuations.
So don't worry, in my opinion it' s a hype and there are other, more serious issues to worry about

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