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Carpathian
18th February 2012, 05:04
Hello,

I've been having a hard time here of late as most of the stuff I've been reading has been massively depressing. But, I will soldier on and focus on an issue I've had for a while regarding the Law of Attraction.

Now, if we are supposed to be as powerful as everyone here thinks we are, and the "Law of Attraction" is supposed to work (because what we say/think is very powerful stuff), AND we live in a holographic universe that has already been proven to be affected by our thoughts, then WHY doesn't the Law of Attraction work for everyone?

Or more specifically, me?

I've tried the "Laws." I've tried writing "Glyphs" that are supposed to be a "shortcut to the laws of the universe" and so far...nothing. I've been working and waiting many, many, MANY years for a very few things that most of the people surrounding me have handed to them on a silver platter: a house (townhome, apartment, etc.), a relationship, a satisfying job, a creative hobby that might bring me some extra cash. Not all of them, of course, but ONE of them would be nice.

Honestly, I'm tired of waiting, and I don't know if I believe in it anymore. Plus, the worst part is, if the "Law" fail, people naturally assume you're doing something wrong or don't want it enough and you end up blaming yourself! So, now it's bad enough I have a sucktastic life, but it's all my own fault too! Great! Thanks! :(

Any advice would be appreciated, as I am (clearly) reaching the end of my rope with this issue. Maybe I'm not understanding how it's supposed to work (although I have friends who have done it and have had wild success...)?

Anchor
18th February 2012, 05:21
I will (endeavour) to help you if you like.

It occurs to me that getting to the bottom of this will require context, and this may be involve personal information that you would not like to post on the forum.

We can arrange to talk over skype or you can PM me.

Then whatever transpires can be posted on the forum in a way that makes sense without being to personally specific.

Sidney
18th February 2012, 05:25
Simply tell "god" (whatever god is to you), that you are ready. It will come, when the time is right. For some reason, (for many of us), we have to go through literal hell, before we obtain any happiness. I have been there. God works in mysterious ways, to say the least.

bluestflame
18th February 2012, 05:53
it's what's held in the subconscious that we attract unknowing also
especially if it's held there by energetic conflict , conflict attracts conflict


trick is to become aware of it so we can disarm it

Whiskey_Mystic
18th February 2012, 06:10
There is a lot of misunderstanding about the Law of Attraction and this topic comes up about once a year. The Law of Attraction is not a wishing well where you toss a penny in and get a magic pony. It is an inquiry method to help you understand what is blocking you form achieving your fullest potential. When people set about to "wish" their desires into existence (because they think that is how it works), they are avoiding looking at what it is that is preventing them from already having achieved their goals. It's the ultimate spiritual bypass.

eileenrose
18th February 2012, 07:55
I believe Bruce Lipton went through a lot of these ideas before he came up with his current theories. Not that he uses the words 'law of attraction'. But arn't we really talking about getting what we want out of our lives (and making sacrifices to do it).

Sort of the movie 'the secret's' ideas (which I heard actually didn't follow all the ideas of the original couple (people) who came up with the information for it...I could be wrong...).

Here is his latest interview (might also be on another thread). I forgot which part he talks about why we don't get what we want (due to our subconscious childhood training). ...but it is in there.

I broke it down for people....just in case it might help.
Ignore the first three minutes....so do something else while he gets his ideas or ducks in a roe....then it starts getting good.
Then he covers how evolution really works and the why behind it (intelligence)
By 11 minutes in he has covered how we are now in a mass extinction event (a good thing....in one way)
At 12 minutes (into the video) he describes how genes function (how they really work)
Then for the next 8 minutes he describes how he figured out how we work-his version of why we have souls and what the human body is really for. This is the best part. You can listen to it several times to get it (sounded like Lilou the interviewer didn't get it).

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEuGlndt1yc&feature=related

Title:
Bruce Lipton: "Being a cell of Humanity & Letting go of the illusion of separation"

Anchor
18th February 2012, 08:09
Aw buggerit. I cant resist posting something general about this...

The law of attraction is not something that delivers something.

It is something that dictates a mode of operation in the universe.

It is a principle, a way of things.

It is vital to understand it, because it is the key to being able to use all those the "powers" that lots of people tell you that you have.

When you intend to manifest some change, you have to do a sort of "full spectrum" envisioning of the situation as if it had already happened. Full spectrum meaning with feelings and everything, not just image.

When I say, as if it had already happened, I mean to stress that you are required to be in the mindset of the present tense. This is because time, while a factor in our illusionary incarnated lives, is not real. This is operating at dimensions outside our concious reality and requires "no-time" and no-time is best taken as the present.

There is no time like the present!

Performing these things is largely a function of imagination.

Meditation is an excellent discipline for increasing ones ability to envision (or "enfeel" - envision+feeling), and for being able to maintaining a focus of that intent.

When enfeeling is done, the law of attraction comes into play.

What happens is that multidimensional "stuff" is attracted to that vision, the universal playing pieces are moved about, things come into being, in order to make manifest your vision.

The above is as I understand it.

Feel free to disregard anything I have said which does not resonate with you - or ask me questions about it.

onawah
18th February 2012, 08:27
There is some very good advice and good reasoning re the LoA here;
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31109-The-Law-of-Attraction-Part-2-Archangel-Metatron-via-James-Tyberonn&p=316564&highlight=law+attraction%2C+tyberonn#post316564
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36322-The-Law-of-Attraction-Part-3-Archangel-Metatron-via-James-Tyberonn&p=374222&highlight=law+attraction%2C+tyberonn#post374222

Anchor
18th February 2012, 09:18
There is some very good advice and good reasoning re the LoA here;
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31109-The-Law-of-Attraction-Part-2-Archangel-Metatron-via-James-Tyberonn&p=316564&highlight=law+attraction%2C+tyberonn#post316564
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36322-The-Law-of-Attraction-Part-3-Archangel-Metatron-via-James-Tyberonn&p=374222&highlight=law+attraction%2C+tyberonn#post374222

I liked them, I must have missed them the first time around.

Mike Gorman
18th February 2012, 09:33
I am not an expert on this 'Law of Attraction', and personally I would be wary if anyone claimed they were.
BUT, the laws of the universe state that if you exert your will in a particular direction, then something must inevitably happen.
You cannot just sit and wait for things, you actually have to ACT on the universe with intent-for instance a relationship
can only occur if you meet people in some way-be it physically or online. A house is a tricky one, I lost a house in my first marriage
over a decade ago, and i still rent with my lovely partner, but we are happy. I think we are not dealing in 'Magic' here, you have to
act with focus.

meat suit
18th February 2012, 09:33
hey Anchor,
that is so well explained that I gonna print it out and put on my wall......
cheeers!!!

meat


Aw buggerit. I cant resist posting something general about this...

The law of attraction is not something that delivers something.

It is something that dictates a mode of operation in the universe.

It is a principle, a way of things.

It is vital to understand it, because it is the key to being able to use all those the "powers" that lots of people tell you that you have.

When you intend to manifest some change, you have to do a sort of "full spectrum" envisioning of the situation as if it had already happened. Full spectrum meaning with feelings and everything, not just image.

When I say, as if it had already happened, I mean to stress that you are required to be in the mindset of the present tense. This is because time, while a factor in our illusionary incarnated lives, is not real. This is operating at dimensions outside our concious reality and requires "no-time" and no-time is best taken as the present.

There is no time like the present!

Performing these things is largely a function of imagination.

Meditation is an excellent discipline for increasing ones ability to envision (or "enfeel" - envision+feeling), and for being able to maintaining a focus of that intent.

When enfeeling is done, the law of attraction comes into play.

What happens is that multidimensional "stuff" is attracted to that vision, the universal playing pieces are moved about, things come into being, in order to make manifest your vision.

The above is as I understand it.

Feel free to disregard anything I have said which does not resonate with you - or ask me questions about it.

Anchor
18th February 2012, 09:54
I am not an expert on this 'Law of Attraction', and personally I would be wary if anyone claimed they were.

What is an expert anyway?

I have lots of experience with the LoA, but I wont claim to be an expert.


BUT, the laws of the universe state that if you exert your will in a particular direction, then something must inevitably happen.
You cannot just sit and wait for things, you actually have to ACT on the universe with intent-for instance a relationship
can only occur if you meet people in some way-be it physically or online.

I totally agree


you have to act with focus.

This is a important key.

Here are some more: Faith, Focus, Intent, Creation.

Each of these things tend to imply the other, but if you are being scientific about the process, its worth breaking it all down so you can get an idea from all the angles of the Law.

Obviously you have to have faith in the outcome and your abilities. You have to believe it. (I just read Metatron's work that onwah pointed to) He talks about belief, whereas I talk about faith. Very similar - not going to split hairs on that one.

Focus - aka concentration, maintaining the vision, "keeping the faith". Articulating this stuff is a perpetual struggle for words.

Intent - you used the idea of an act of will, and I see that as manifest intent. Intent starts, the act of will follows. But it starts with intent. The will is the will to act, and the acting is your part of the process of manifestation.

Creation - what you are doing here is taking charge of creation. When you do it, you are stepping up to the plate of total responsibility. If you are doing this, then you already know that this is not a game anymore - you are co-creating conciously, instead of just having that happen as you live in a dream you didn't even know you were dreaming.

9eagle9
18th February 2012, 10:11
Yes. Most of the commercialized and prostituted versions of the Law of Attraction, like "The Secret "talk about the second part of the equation but not the all important first part of the equation , rendering it useless. You can many postive thoughts as you want but if you unconscious embedded dense emotions, a person only learns to be disappointed in learning how to manifest. Which I am beginning to find is more than likely deliberate attempt to thwart the essential power that we have.


There is a lot of misunderstanding about the Law of Attraction and this topic comes up about once a year. The Law of Attraction is not a wishing well where you toss a penny in and get a magic pony. It is an inquiry method to help you understand what is blocking you form achieving your fullest potential. When people set about to "wish" their desires into existence (because they think that is how it works), they are avoiding looking at what it is that is preventing them from already having achieved their goals. It's the ultimate spiritual bypass.

christian
18th February 2012, 11:02
I've been working and waiting many, many, MANY years for a very few things that most of the people surrounding me have handed to them on a silver platter. [...] I'm tired of waiting, and I don't know if I believe in it anymore. Plus, the worst part is, if the "Law" fail, people naturally assume you're doing something wrong or don't want it enough and you end up blaming yourself! So, now it's bad enough I have a sucktastic life, but it's all my own fault too!

You will get nowhere with a "tired of waiting" attitude. Comparing yourself with others will only perpetuate your status quo, as you give energy to the status quo by reflecting it time and again. The responsibility is always within yourself. Attraction means you don't have to have a wish inside to get something done, but to be as if the wish is already fulfilled, for that's the status you want to attract, don't you? Focus on being in the state you desire, not on the projection or the process of it. Focus with discipline and a taken-for-grantedness and meanwhile allow for things to manifest in the most wondrous ways.

"Whether you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, either way you're right."
Henry Ford

greybeard
18th February 2012, 11:15
What you give out comes back to you.
Dr David Hawkins in "Power vs Force" goes into great detail about attractor fields.
The higher the spiritual vibration the faster your thoughts materialize.
Simply if you think you dont have enough of anything give what you want to some one else.
If you dont feel loved or appreciated have an honest look at how much of that you are giving out.
If you feel a lack look at what you are giving in that area.

An attractor field is like a magnet/ a radio frequency.
You attract into your life what ever program you are tuned into.
Watch what you say to your self.
Affirmation should be present tense and full of positive emotion.
I have x.
If you cant see it hapening at this moment get a picture of it stick it up on the wall and put a date on it.
I have X June tenth 2012--- near the date start looking for positive indications that it is coming into you life.
AND-- do what it takes--- in an ethical positive way.

Chris

Meesh
18th February 2012, 11:32
Aw buggerit. I cant resist posting something general about this...


When you intend to manifest some change, you have to do a sort of "full spectrum" envisioning of the situation as if it had already happened. Full spectrum meaning with feelings and everything, not just image.



Yes, this seems to be key, at least according to my experience. Don't focus so much on imagining it (i.e. don't focus so much on the part that is "in your head"). Focus primarily on the feeling that you get when you bring what you are trying to create into the present (i.e. focus on the feeling that you feel in your body/heart when you know that it has ALREADY happened). Meditation definitely has helped me with this, as meditation brings you into the present.

That's the best way that I can explain it. I hope it helps.

9eagle9
18th February 2012, 12:58
I've tried the "Laws." I've tried writing "Glyphs" that are supposed to be a "shortcut to the laws of the universe" and so far...nothing. I've been working and waiting many, many, MANY years for a very few things that most of the people surrounding me have handed to them on a silver platter: a house (townhome, apartment, etc.), a relationship, a satisfying job, a creative hobby that might bring me some extra cash. Not all of them, of course, but ONE of them would be nice.

Oohhh....these all circumstances that trot right back to.....some issues with your self value. A way to know what your issue is , is what is lacking in your life. What you want and you don't have it. Don't ever let anyone tell you 'its a lesson' or there's some higher purpose in deprivation.

Some things to consider. This started in early childhood probably beleifs adopted unconsciously from your parents. What sort of attitudes they had about self value. Particualarly if they were very good about instilling self value. Parents usually are not, espeically old school parents, who train us that modesly and self effacement and lack of selfishness are virtues so we don't get a good idea about self value.

Value is a circumstnaces that applies to relationships and money. Until you straighten this out you will have issues with people in relationships who don't value you. And value is tied up in finances.

Children are often told as youngesters what they deserve and what they don't, or what to expect, or what is realistic or what is proper and we soak all these limiting beliefs in regards to ourselves.

My parents were very middle middle class, we always had plenty of money. But they bitched constantly about basic needs, food, rent, clothes, jobs. So while learned to manifest with those core beliefs still instilled in me I was able to manifest fancy sports cars, and hugely expensive sorts of material things but I couldn't pay my rent and find money to buy clothes...lol.

Your friends who have everything handed to you on a silver platter where not given these core beliefs or perhaps were able to work through them. We are not aware of core beliefs that been instilled in us those are the sour note that goes out from the core of us, our manifestation power. It's impersonal, what comes back (or doesn't) is just a return of what we are sending out, which we are often unaware of.

Feelngs have more power than thoughts so if have imbedded feelings that you are unaware of you have to find them, and release them. This gives us an untrue or distorted perception of ourselves--we don't know who we are.

It is very hard to know what you want, if you don't know who you are.

Manifestation in its purest form is effortless, stuff just occurs, happens, arrives, synchronicity, etc etc.

These are not unreasonable requests, (which makes it all that more frusrating). Before you delve deeper please consider that 'there is absolutely no purpose served (higher or lower) in you not having what you want.

I'm not questioning your judgement but I have to ask is this what you really want....a townhouse or an apartment? Or are you settling for what is reasonable according to logic and previous experience?

Carpathian
18th February 2012, 19:31
There is a lot of misunderstanding about the Law of Attraction and this topic comes up about once a year. The Law of Attraction is not a wishing well where you toss a penny in and get a magic pony. It is an inquiry method to help you understand what is blocking you form achieving your fullest potential. When people set about to "wish" their desires into existence (because they think that is how it works), they are avoiding looking at what it is that is preventing them from already having achieved their goals. It's the ultimate spiritual bypass.

Whiskey_Mystic,

Ah! Now this begins to make sense to me! Thank you for posting this. :)

I had a feeling I was misunderstanding the process -- to me, it's OK if I don't get everything I want (obviously!), but it's more frustrating when I know what it is that is blocking me (I really have worked on this for quite some time) and yet it STILL seems out of reach. Starchild111 seems to have it right - I have been through literal hell to get to where I am and (seemingly) I am no further along the path to getting what I "desire" than at the beginning of my journey. I know that is not true (If I really examine my life I am much further along my journey than when I started) but I guess I get really, really, REALLY tired of waiting...and working...and waiting...and working...and not being remotely happy.

I guess I need to "enjoy the journey, not the destination" but I really am SO BAD at that! :) I have tried and tried to keep that in mind and then the frustration and unhappiness well up and before you know it I'm raging at the moon and ready to trash the whole process. I know that what people espouse here literally IS "the road less traveled" and that it is a much more difficult road than most people take (hence maybe why they are happy and I am not - the road I chose ain't no picnic). Maybe I just get discouraged once in a while :)

Thank you both for your time, wisdom, and patience.

Carpathian
18th February 2012, 19:34
Aw buggerit. I cant resist posting something general about this...

The law of attraction is not something that delivers something.

It is something that dictates a mode of operation in the universe.

It is a principle, a way of things.

It is vital to understand it, because it is the key to being able to use all those the "powers" that lots of people tell you that you have.

When you intend to manifest some change, you have to do a sort of "full spectrum" envisioning of the situation as if it had already happened. Full spectrum meaning with feelings and everything, not just image.

When I say, as if it had already happened, I mean to stress that you are required to be in the mindset of the present tense. This is because time, while a factor in our illusionary incarnated lives, is not real. This is operating at dimensions outside our concious reality and requires "no-time" and no-time is best taken as the present.

There is no time like the present!

Performing these things is largely a function of imagination.

Meditation is an excellent discipline for increasing ones ability to envision (or "enfeel" - envision+feeling), and for being able to maintaining a focus of that intent.

When enfeeling is done, the law of attraction comes into play.

What happens is that multidimensional "stuff" is attracted to that vision, the universal playing pieces are moved about, things come into being, in order to make manifest your vision.

The above is as I understand it.

Feel free to disregard anything I have said which does not resonate with you - or ask me questions about it.

Anchor,

Thank you - that does resonate with me. I knew I was missing something...! The thought+feeling and visualization is not something I have done, and am eagerly waiting to try :)

Thanks again for your time, patience, and knowledge.

xbusymom
18th February 2012, 19:36
Over the years I have read and studied many different information sources of “Law of Attraction” (Which is actually a tri-lateral process of 1:Law of Deliberate Creation/Intention, 2:Law of Attraction, and 3:Law of Allowance/Allowing) but this is the best explanation I have come across so far...

Abraham/Esther Hicks:

RTb6mKAwftA

lmRep5MXsB0

Mu3j1ztEyKs

sb749f30Z8w

gdXyEEE5OVA

BezBHfKotqI



And when you use a “Dream Board” as a way to keep track of /keep building upon or adding to your list (desiring to experience), you can keep the happy vibration of “I am pleased that is mine, this is something I enjoy, and I appreciate having that also... etc.” in the forefront of your “Intention-attracting-allowing” mindset.

Here is what my dreamboard looks like
http://yoglin.com/dreamboard2.jpg



EDIT:
It took me several years to learn the art of maintaining the positive attitude of manifestation (belief of it already being here even tho I could not see it)...

(I did this particular dream board in 2009 and I have already received everything on it... the car (title in my name), the house and all the other grand furnishings (my son's but I get to enjoy using everything because I am living as part of the extended family in one house- and yes we get along very well)

Carpathian
18th February 2012, 19:42
I am not an expert on this 'Law of Attraction', and personally I would be wary if anyone claimed they were.
BUT, the laws of the universe state that if you exert your will in a particular direction, then something must inevitably happen.
You cannot just sit and wait for things, you actually have to ACT on the universe with intent-for instance a relationship
can only occur if you meet people in some way-be it physically or online. A house is a tricky one, I lost a house in my first marriage
over a decade ago, and i still rent with my lovely partner, but we are happy. I think we are not dealing in 'Magic' here, you have to
act with focus.

GalaxyHorse,

Yes, you are right - I know I must act, and I have been! But I seem to get stymied in my efforts, with situations arising where I literally cannot move forward without something out of my control happening -- there's no way around them, over them, under them, nothing. I must sit and wait and some days it seems as if it will never happen...that's when I get frustrated and depressed.

You're absolutely correct, though - the LOA aren't a "magic pill" and won't happen unless you add yourself to the mix :)

Thank you!

Rantaak
18th February 2012, 20:04
All of these people are distracted.

The law of attraction is that like attracts like.

Sorcery is the act of release.

Carpathian
18th February 2012, 20:07
I've tried the "Laws." I've tried writing "Glyphs" that are supposed to be a "shortcut to the laws of the universe" and so far...nothing. I've been working and waiting many, many, MANY years for a very few things that most of the people surrounding me have handed to them on a silver platter: a house (townhome, apartment, etc.), a relationship, a satisfying job, a creative hobby that might bring me some extra cash. Not all of them, of course, but ONE of them would be nice.

Oohhh....these all circumstances that trot right back to.....some issues with your self value. A way to know what your issue is , is what is lacking in your life. What you want and you don't have it. Don't ever let anyone tell you 'its a lesson' or there's some higher purpose in deprivation.

Some things to consider. This started in early childhood probably beleifs adopted unconsciously from your parents. What sort of attitudes they had about self value. Particualarly if they were very good about instilling self value. Parents usually are not, espeically old school parents, who train us that modesly and self effacement and lack of selfishness are virtues so we don't get a good idea about self value.

Value is a circumstnaces that applies to relationships and money. Until you straighten this out you will have issues with people in relationships who don't value you. And value is tied up in finances.

Children are often told as youngesters what they deserve and what they don't, or what to expect, or what is realistic or what is proper and we soak all these limiting beliefs in regards to ourselves.

My parents were very middle middle class, we always had plenty of money. But they bitched constantly about basic needs, food, rent, clothes, jobs. So while learned to manifest with those core beliefs still instilled in me I was able to manifest fancy sports cars, and hugely expensive sorts of material things but I couldn't pay my rent and find money to buy clothes...lol.

Your friends who have everything handed to you on a silver platter where not given these core beliefs or perhaps were able to work through them. We are not aware of core beliefs that been instilled in us those are the sour note that goes out from the core of us, our manifestation power. It's impersonal, what comes back (or doesn't) is just a return of what we are sending out, which we are often unaware of.

Feelngs have more power than thoughts so if have imbedded feelings that you are unaware of you have to find them, and release them. This gives us an untrue or distorted perception of ourselves--we don't know who we are.

It is very hard to know what you want, if you don't know who you are.

Manifestation in its purest form is effortless, stuff just occurs, happens, arrives, synchronicity, etc etc.

These are not unreasonable requests, (which makes it all that more frusrating). Before you delve deeper please consider that 'there is absolutely no purpose served (higher or lower) in you not having what you want.

I'm not questioning your judgement but I have to ask is this what you really want....a townhouse or an apartment? Or are you settling for what is reasonable according to logic and previous experience?

9eagle9,

Well, you gave me a lot to think about. :)

Maybe I am wrong and I don't know what it is that is blocking me. I had the same type of upbringing that you mentioned - middle class, had plenty of money but where my parents chose to live -- that neighborhood was a little beyond their means (house-wise and community-wise) and so it was a tight squeeze for us to afford all of the luxuries that most of the people around us could easily afford. We became very adept at getting and looking for bargains, buying the same stuff our peers did at a lesser price. Maybe I am afraid that if I did receive more money (either in my job or from my hobby) I would lose this "gift" of finding bargains? Does that even make sense? I do get a lot of enjoyment from finding bargains, as well as fixing up old stuff that other people would normally trash (I work to restore it to its former glory, although I don't do as much of that as I used to).

Maybe I don't believe that I am worthy of my desires. I have been through so much...it has not been easy for a long time...it's hard to see that I would be so cruel to myself.

I don't know if the apartment or townhome would be the best thing for me or not - it's a good question to ask :) If I had to guess, it'd be more "I hate the place I am in" than 'I can't wait to move there."

Greybeard is correct -- I do not do something on a continuous basis to help the people around me (I am an emotional support for my friends and donate $$$ but that's it). Maybe I need to do something like that to "get out of my own skin." It would not be easy as I am very uncomfortable around people I do not know, but it could be good for me.

Thank you again for your time, patience, and wisdom.

onawah
18th February 2012, 20:14
Here is a new, refined and expanded message about LOA and Conscious Creation from Tyberonn that was just sent out in his newsletter:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40949-The-Law-of-Attraction-Belief-Conscious-Creation-Archangel-Metatron-via-James-Tybe&p=430913#post430913

meat suit
18th February 2012, 20:33
Carpathian,

dont forget that we dont incarnate on these developing planets for holiday generally.... there is hard work to be done here, even figuring out what that work is, is hard work. and there is past life karma...
I once met a chap who said to me : I have everything...and he listed all the desirables of that particular epoch.....car, drumkit, girlfriend, flat etc.... it was a totally unusual statement for that particular enviroment, where it was cool to be negativ and talk about the latest obstacles that prevented one from succeding at anything.
I took that mantra 'I have everything' with me and it has worked for me since.... there still has been hard work and nasty karma...
a responsebility comes with it too, if you get yourself excessively more stuff than you need, you make more of a mess here than neccessary..(I cant think of any human activity, other than 'planting trees' maybe, that doesnt make a mess......) and you may have taken stuff that would have been more useful elsewhere.
stuff comes easy to me now, if it doesnt come easy I dont fight it and let it go.....
there are loads of rich middle class types I know,,,,guess when they are happiest??? when they are camping...removed from their riches sitting in a tent in the rain playing cards with the kids....

cheers
meat

RunningDeer
18th February 2012, 21:50
There is a lot of misunderstanding about the Law of Attraction and this topic comes up about once a year. The Law of Attraction is not a wishing well where you toss a penny in and get a magic pony...

I guess I need to "enjoy the journey, not the destination" but I really am SO BAD at that!

“So bad at that,” means you just asked the Universe for things that make you SO BAD. Words are important. The mind is literal, ie. it hears what you asked for. It says, “Your wish is my command.”


”I have tried and tried to keep that in mind and then the frustration and unhappiness well up and before you know it I'm raging at the moon and ready to trash the whole process...” “... "the road less traveled..."

Sometimes, clearing out the “crap emotions” gets one to a place of “less crap emotions”, and pretty soon, “less and less crap emotions,” until your filter is sparkly, clean. Only to discover that you’ve been on the road less traveled all along.”

Anchor
18th February 2012, 22:04
The law of attraction is not something that delivers something.

...

Thank you - that does resonate with me. I knew I was missing something...! The thought+feeling and visualization is not something I have done, and am eagerly waiting to try :)

No worries. Do please read and re-read 9eagle9's post ( http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40913-I-m-Confused-About-Law-of-Attraction..&p=430717&viewfull=1#post430717 ) and make sure you understand that one. It is what I was going to probe in a more direct fashion in private but the generic template is all there. If you still have any questions then that's ok too.

Anchor
18th February 2012, 22:23
I don't believe that I am worthy of my desires

Hypothetically, lets assume you did manifest everything you "truly" wanted - (which we do anyway) - what do you think statements/mindsets like this do?

Learning about the Laws is worthwhile and interesting, but sooner or later you may realize that all the technical metaphysical knowledge is not actually the main thing you need to know about.

What becomes more important is discovering who you are, what you are doing, what you actually want to do (as a soul) in this incarnation: who am I? What is my purpose in life? etc.

Then some of those material constructs start to fall into place in the personal scheme of things and the values placed on them by you become adjusted - what once seemed important, starts to become less important. Ironically - the more this happens the better you get at manifesting all that stuff you wanted when you couldn't do it, but then you don't do it because you don't want it any-more. If you wanted an example of cosmic irony - that's a good one right there :)

Knowledge of the cosmic Laws simply help you engage more consciously in this co-created illusion that we have "incarnated" ourselves in and that we call living.

Siberia9
18th February 2012, 23:50
I dont know if any cares but I was told by a member of the Illuminati once that the key to the law of attraction is that you need to understand the mechanics of it. He said that we create in the fifth dimension, it then travels through the fourth which is time, and then manifests itself here in the third. But you have to feel it strongly and in a very specific way. He said that we are God, and we are creators in this hologram. If you believe you are not God and that you cannot create then that is what you create. This also means that you MUST take responsibility for EVERYTHING in your life, because you created it all. It becomes a mental exercise that goes on constantly, then consciously backed up with strong emotions and belief.

I have learned to be careful with negative stuff as well as the good. like dont watch negative things or pretend you are there or what your response would be etc. I also prefer to see it as we are all a piece of God like leaves on a tree, but I say to myself that I am God and I am a creator and I will create this or that etc. as I imagine it in the fifth and it travels to the fourth and then feel it in my life here.

He said that we do not create reality, but we create within our reality, unlike what the new age stuff tells us, he made that point strongly.
By focusing our thought frequencies into the fifth dimension like a radio signal we can create there and then manifest it here.

Lastly dont forget to take massive action here in the third dimension as well. You want to own an apartment building? You better start taking some class's on how to run and own one then. Most people leave out that last part. You want a new car but you haven't even sat in the kind of car you want type of thing.

Getting you to blame everthing on external things and needing someone else to help you is how they have enslaved the planet for eons. Its not my fault I have a disease, I dont have enough education, God is punishing me etc etc etc etc. Its all horse s*it designed to keep you chasing your tale.
Thats what I learned from "them" and it rang true to me, so thats my two cents on the LOA.

OBwan
19th February 2012, 00:28
The Emotional Guidance Scale taught by Abraham-Hicks has worked for me. The approach is to move from a sense of Powerlessness to Joy by systematically moving up the scale. As you move up the scale, your beliefs and the way you feel about your desires, results in synchronicities occurring.

The metaphoric approach of not solving world hunger, rather just get lunch has proven to work for me. By feeling better about your desire to the point of being passionate, results in manifestation of what you want.

OBwan


The Emotional Guidance Scale

1. Joy/Appreciation/Empowered/Freedom/Love
2. Passion
3. Enthusiasm/Eagerness/Happiness
4. Positive Expectation/Belief
5. Optimism
6. Hopefulness
7. Contentment
8. Boredom
9. Pessimism
10. Frustration/Irritation/Impatience
11. Overwhelment
12. Disappointment
13. Doubt
14. Worry
15. Blame
16. Discouragement
17. Anger
18. Revenge
19. Hatred/Rage
20. Jealousy
21. Insecurity/Guilt/Unworthiness
22. Fear/Grief/Depression/Despair/Powerlessness

http://www.discoveringpeace.com/the-abraham-hicks-emotional-guidance-scale.html

Swanette
19th February 2012, 00:29
I read this article yesterday from the Natural News.com site about the LOA that has a very interesting view about this. It has a lot of valid points.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034992_law_of_attraction_myths_reality.html

CD7
19th February 2012, 00:29
Artists usually INvision what they are about to create in the mind before its put on paper, sculpted, etc. Sometimes the longer you invision the details the better your creation will come close to your "design".
Now use this same thought with life...we invision what our lives will be..most are very detailed about it and time can be a factor depending on how strong/potent the intention was in coalescing the universe into action to produce your desired effect--manifest. Also "gardening" your intention regularly helps it to grow. This visioning coupled with the heart of intention...meaning the intention must be genuine, is a powerful mix.

So as an individual is "practicing" this, like a kindgardener first learning to draw, the picture does not come out quite the way they intended. However as you grow and make an effort to practice to make perfect...your drawings/LIFE will eventually coalese (come together) in a more refined creation of your design. Also i will say there are things happening on multiple levels so if things are not going exactly how u thought, there may be other variables at work...but u can bet your bottom dollar you can NAVIGATE your life as you create it in the direction of your GENUINE intention.


THIS IS WHY ART IS NOT CULTIVATED...you are less likely to follow the script if u realize your god potential in CREATING your life in any script you desire.

xbusymom
19th February 2012, 01:10
Lastly dont forget to take massive action here in the third dimension as well. You want to own an apartment building? You better start taking some class's on how to run and own one then. Most people leave out that last part. You want a new car but you haven't even sat in the kind of car you want type of thing.

Getting you to blame everthing on external things and needing someone else to help you is how they have enslaved the planet for eons.

Very good point, Syberia9.

Action is the mechanism to helping IT get manifested for you...
I love the new "definition of insanity": doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

the other quote that I remember on how to avoid "The Blame Game":
if you are having a problem with (your partner, your boss, your kids, the lawn boy, the dog, the traffic, etc...) what is the common denomator ??

aranuk
19th February 2012, 01:14
There is some very good advice and good reasoning re the LoA here;
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31109-The-Law-of-Attraction-Part-2-Archangel-Metatron-via-James-Tyberonn&p=316564&highlight=law+attraction%2C+tyberonn#post316564
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36322-The-Law-of-Attraction-Part-3-Archangel-Metatron-via-James-Tyberonn&p=374222&highlight=law+attraction%2C+tyberonn#post374222

I liked them, I must have missed them the first time around.

Yes me too! Thank you onawah.

Stan

gooty64
19th February 2012, 02:09
Having a good attitude, being kind, and loving and fiercely sincere is attractive!

Ask Krishnamurti, eckhart tolle or adyashanti about the law of attraction.

L of A is mostly new age LaLa...

Anchor
19th February 2012, 03:05
L of A is mostly new age LaLa...

Well its the bit that is not "Mostly new age LaLa" that I am interested in :)

BTW - everything I have said in this thread I have personal experience of.

Mulder
19th February 2012, 03:16
Hello,

I've been having a hard time here of late as most of the stuff I've been reading has been massively depressing. But, I will soldier on and focus on an issue I've had for a while regarding the Law of Attraction.

Now, if we are supposed to be as powerful as everyone here thinks we are, and the "Law of Attraction" is supposed to work (because what we say/think is very powerful stuff), AND we live in a holographic universe that has already been proven to be affected by our thoughts, then WHY doesn't the Law of Attraction work for everyone?

Or more specifically, me?

This has been my experience too. I no longer believe in the LoA as it seems to assume we live in a 'perfect world.' My world is far from perfect with Austerity, Poverty, Crime, AIDS, brainwashing.... I'm amazed anything much that's positive happens at all!

mosquito
19th February 2012, 03:36
Hi Carpathian,

I can empathise with you on this one, my experience is that after many many years, I am able to manifest some unbeleivable things in my life with ease, yet others elude me.

There is a ton of excellent advice on this thread, from people who clearly know what the're talking about, so good luck !!

Something I found very useful was a video of Greg Braden I saw last week, who explained it all sooo clearly. In a nutshell, it's the feelings in your heart which are key. I've only got a Chinese version of the video, maybe someone else here can provide a youtube link (sorry folks !).

Be prepared for whatever turns up in your life, including all the stuff you didn't explicitly ask for, take full responsibility for it, BE GRATEFUL FOR IT, and (this one's a bugger) be patient ......

Good luck !! I understand your frustration, and I hope things start to turn around for you !!

DoubleHelix
19th February 2012, 04:20
Ahhh, one of my favourite topics.

You've probably heard the ol' addages "what goes around comes around" and "what you put out is what you get back" right? Well, they work on the same principles as the law of attraction. Meaning that the energy you project out into the world (in the form of thoughts, actions and intentions) will somehow make their way back into your immediate reality - normally in equal measure to that which was exerted.

Your mindset plays the most crucial role when working with the law of attraction. Not believing that something will work solidifies that belief into stone. Now witnessing a lack of manifestation may leave one feeling a little disheartened; the first step in making progress must be to have faith in our abilities as co-creators. As Anchor mentioned before, and from my own personal experience, the more often one utilises the law of attraction the more often it tends to manifest with relative ease.

I looking forward to contributing to this thread some more.

Whiskey_Mystic
20th February 2012, 16:33
It is very hard to know what you want, if you don't know who you are.

KA-BAM ! ! 9eagle9 truth bomb going off.

I think the very first step in spiritual development is discovering who you really are. How can you get anywhere without knowing where you are first? For myself, it has taken me about twelve years of making that inquiry the focus of my life. It took all of my surplus money (energy), was painful, and was slow going for a long time. It's hard work and it's not fun, but it has to be done. And it never ends, either, but it does get easier. (And I don't think it has to take so long for most people)



Manifestation in its purest form is effortless, stuff just occurs, happens, arrives, synchronicity, etc etc.

Totally agree. It is without effort. If you stop striving to achieve a situation or possession and point your compass instead towards becoming who you truly are, in manifesting your highest expression and fullest potential, everything starts to fall into place.

I think it is also important to ask yourself if you are paying attention to what you have to learn from the situation you are in rather than looking forward to a time when you are no longer in the situation. Yoda was right about that. When you complete whatever class you are currently enrolled in, I believe your circumstance shifts without effort.

At least, these things have been my experience in my own life.

Whiskey_Mystic
20th February 2012, 16:49
Carpathian,

One thing not mentioned in the thread yet-

My teacher has taught me that gratitude is among the highest vibrations if not the highest that we can focus our intention on. One strictly practical (and easy) way to activate the LoA is to focus on what you already have that you are grateful for. This will attract to you more of whatever that is. It sounds like you may be consciously or unconsciously focusing on what you don't have. Instead of reaching for that condo or townhouse, put your mind on being grateful for whatever home situation you already have.

Even if this does not work, gratitude practice uplifts the heart and gives your whole life a positive spin. Try it! It's fun.

Matts
20th February 2012, 18:44
Maybe it helps if you approach the subject from a slightly self ironic side, consider yourself at a distance and sometimes smile about your own weaknesses. I've done with the German author Baerbel Mohr good experience. Her book was published in English. It is her version of the Law of attraction - for the "lazy" ;-)

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http://www.baerbelmohr.de/english-version.html

DoubleHelix
21st February 2012, 05:27
*BUMP*

What I really love about the Law of Attraction is witnessing what transpires as manifestation takes place. Often things occur via the path of least resistance. Once the desired intention is set in place, it's as if the world around you adopts malleable characteristics and caters towards your subjective goal or intention. During this process, trying to rationalize what's taking place from an analytical (left brained) mind-set certainly won't do you any favours. I doesn't follow regular scripture. It cheats, jumps, takes shortcuts, all the while moving effortlessly towards its intended outcome. Another intriguing aspect to the Law of Attraction is the synchronicity that occurs. You're fantasizing of your dream job and someone sends you an email out of the blue pertaining to a new career path. Or you go in to a store to purchase sunglasses and the employee mentions that his share-house is looking for a new housemate, not knowing that the person he's talking to is currently seeking accommodation (personal experience)... etc. etc.

I can vouch that this stuff really works. For myself personally, it's become something that I've encompassed in my everyday life.

Bollinger
21st February 2012, 06:52
Hello,

I've been having a hard time here of late as most of the stuff I've been reading has been massively depressing. But, I will soldier on and focus on an issue I've had for a while regarding the Law of Attraction.

Now, if we are supposed to be as powerful as everyone here thinks we are, and the "Law of Attraction" is supposed to work (because what we say/think is very powerful stuff), AND we live in a holographic universe that has already been proven to be affected by our thoughts, then WHY doesn't the Law of Attraction work for everyone?

Or more specifically, me?

I've tried the "Laws." I've tried writing "Glyphs" that are supposed to be a "shortcut to the laws of the universe" and so far...nothing. I've been working and waiting many, many, MANY years for a very few things that most of the people surrounding me have handed to them on a silver platter: a house (townhome, apartment, etc.), a relationship, a satisfying job, a creative hobby that might bring me some extra cash. Not all of them, of course, but ONE of them would be nice.

Honestly, I'm tired of waiting, and I don't know if I believe in it anymore. Plus, the worst part is, if the "Law" fail, people naturally assume you're doing something wrong or don't want it enough and you end up blaming yourself! So, now it's bad enough I have a sucktastic life, but it's all my own fault too! Great! Thanks! :(

Any advice would be appreciated, as I am (clearly) reaching the end of my rope with this issue. Maybe I'm not understanding how it's supposed to work (although I have friends who have done it and have had wild success...)?

Has the law of attraction (whatever people think it is) been generally proved through controlled experiment? Have any formal papers been written about it? Does any university lend any credence to it? If the answer to those questions is no, only one answer remains. It is wishful thinking at best and I don’t mean that in a “lawy attractie” way either.

While billions starve of the very basic necessities, we here are talking about the law of attraction which is just another new age mambo jumbo designed to play on the minds poor unfortunate desperate souls who believe there exists some “magic” that can lift them out of poverty and despair if only they could learn to harness its power and there’s no shortage of people on the net telling them (for a small fee) how to do it. It’s just another religion I’m afraid.

Imagine if the people who discovered and harnessed the power of electricity tried to use the law of attraction to bring into existence everything that uses it to function. All the formulae, all the engineering work, all the painstaking experiments, data and mathematics needed to understand how it works and how to bring about real tangible change through invention and innovation over many decades: if we sat around trying to meditate all of that into existence, how far do you think we would have got?

Your best option, as a form of advice since you ask, is to grasp life by the throat, state and understand the problems you are facing, make a realistic plan of how to solve them and start to take the first steps towards your goals. Nothing is guaranteed. I am not offering religion or magic. Just sound advice that may or may not work but doing nothing but just "thinking" about what you want has next to no chance of solving a problem despite the billion websites and books telling you otherwise.

markpierre
21st February 2012, 08:29
How do you distinguish what you think you want, from what you really want?

If you pressed the question in yourself far enough you might concede that what you want the most, is what you need to fulfill your contact here.
I can promise you that you're always getting exactly what you need. Even if it's conflict.

It's not possible to know what you need, except in retrospect. It would ruin the surprise.

Of course you can have anything you can conjure, if for no other reason than to discover they were meaningless distractions.

As for the 'Law of Attraction', we do not attract what we want, but what we are.

Sirius White
21st February 2012, 08:57
Most of the new age version of LoA is absolute drivel, well not totally. But it's watered down and highly ineffective in contrast to the real "secret."

The focus is narrow, and it has far more applications than money or being "happy" all the time.

I will come back tomorrow probably and go far more in-depth.

greybeard
21st February 2012, 09:14
The more the ability to attract increases, the less inclined you are to want anything.
There is a trust, a knowing, that currently you have all you need.

Byron Kate said " Life happens for you not to you"

Your Higher Self would throw you off a cliff to enlighten you--- if thats what it takes.
You have what is best for your spiritual progress.

More is learned from the challenges than having it easy.
Winning the lottery has not necessarily brought peace and happiness to people.

In other words be careful what you wish for.

Chris

Sirius White
24th March 2012, 03:28
If you look at all these new age teachings today, all the excercises given (even the so called "magick books" and diaries) they all emanate from ancient spiritual teachings, and are commonly found in the mystery schools.

This includes "clearing the mind," learning to selectively think, learning to be "aware of the body," and being aware of the subconscious/mental routines that we do every day and may be harming us. But unlike LOA, it tells you to be your own harshest critic, to know and understand EVERY single "flaw" that you have and look at its ugly head(s).

The Law of Attraction essentially tells you that you attract what you don't want, and that which you obsess about, this is true. So it tells you to flip it and selectively choose positive thoughts. They use examples of money, a nice bicycle, of a nice house and lots of things- which is a trap in itself because they don't focus on the SPIRITUAL aspect of it...at all, which is the meat and bones of the mystery teachings.

You don't want to just control your thoughts and energies for the sake of some hypnotic state of happiness, or to get a new house. You want to do this so you can finally begin to understand your true self. To EMPOWER ourselves by being able to take control over our words, thoughts, actions, energies and be FULLY conscious of what we are doing in THAT moment.

The LOA stuff also doesn't teach you how to "increase" your influence, and visualization skills in a way that can create what you truly desire in your life. And with this, I don't mean this as an insult- I actually agree with all this stuff not being fully "revealed" to people yet. It can lead to someones ruin and psychological imbalances. Like the "amrita" or the "philosophers stone" it can be poison to people who plunge deep into these kind of things without first understanding themselves.

I'll give you an example of someone I know in real life who LOVES "the secret." She's right about many things, as are all of us in regards to who we attract, why, our goals and how we "attract" them to us. But the concept of "attraction" is an external one, it teaches you that you are simply "attracting bad" in your life BECAUSE of your own thinking patterns. She is a person whose life is now "seemingly" perfect and portrays this to everybody, including her relationship (boyfriend), but behind closed doors is in actuality, incredibly paranoid,needy for attention, drama, and much more. She often would vent all her negativity on some of her closest friends, but when someone can to her with "their negativity" she could not handle it. She's GREAT and controlling her thoughts and seeing "the bright side" but so much so that she doesn't see the realistic severity of things in her life, sometimes things about her, that are asking for her to pay attention.

This is not entirely true, "Attraction" is an external concept that makes you think of you and others as magnets. In actuality, the outer is a manifestation of the inner and events come into your life, "obstacles" (bad or good) because your spirit desires (true NEED) to LEARN something. So when you have this mentality that all this negativity is the bane of existence, and only creating positive thoughts- you NEGLECT a part of what your subconscious is trying to TEACH you in your "manifested" reality.

This leads, to always being happy on the outside, and creating a life that is good for yourself SOMETIMES at the cost of others- who may have genuine problems, or a karmic tie to you that you "blow off" simply because "they are not in your happy frequency." Pretending you don't have a shadow doesn't make it go away. If you want to stand in the light you see your shadow very clearly.

Therefore, the "Secret" is in understanding, in the moment, in the now, and always that EVERYTHING that comes into your life is a manifested (and observed) reality that YOU CREATED based on your inner condition. Yes, sometimes we can go in routine and our subconscious can manifest illnesses, negativity, and all sorts of things that we don't WANT or NEED in our lives. But often times they are there because it is something deep INSIDE you (not outside, attraction) that is begging to be NOTICED. If you constantly say "no" to the negativity without actually confronting it, facing it, and understand the why (and yes, chaos exists too, somethings just happen) can actually cause these inner issues to BUILD up, like a dam until one day the perfect bubble of "happy frequencies" comes bursting and we wonder why somebody as "good" as ourselves is now suffering!

The "good christian" may also have this happen to him, and wonder why God had forsaken him?

Someone mentioned gratitude, this is VERY true. VERY powerful. Thank the planet, your food, everything, but also, THANK yourself, your body, for all things good and BAD and allowing yourself to be a part of this sacred journey. This DOES create abundance in our lives because we become abundant on the inside.

Desire is not about what your ego wants. The Buddhists like to say that it is suffering. Not true. Desire is what you truly need as a spiritual being. If you know this, things will manifest into your life instantly (no joke) because you become a "vessel" (using a kaballistic word here) for the "need" yourself, as a spiritual being wishes to express in the material reality.

By truly understanding yourself, you understand "God" or at least, that spark that is One with all things. From here, "manifestation" and "law of attraction" isn't some formula of physics we have to manipulate (like people think of karma), it just becomes an expression of our "being" in our own personal realities. We become "co-creators" instead of passive observers. To "create" is to be an active observer.

xbusymom
24th March 2012, 04:08
By truly understanding yourself, you understand "God" or at least, that spark that is One with all things. From here, "manifestation" and "law of attraction" isn't some formula of physics we have to manipulate (like people think of karma), it just becomes an expression of our "being" in our own personal realities. We become "co-creators" instead of passive observers. To "create" is to be an active observer.


True- there is no formula to construct desirable situations, but I like to think of LOA as "The Mechanical rules with which the Universe is operated by". If you learn how a certain machine works- then you , too, can do the magic...

Sirius White
24th March 2012, 04:38
True- there is no formula to construct desirable situations, but I like to think of LOA as "The Mechanical rules with which the Universe is operated by". If you learn how a certain machine works- then you , too, can do the magic...

Absolutely, and understanding how the machine works also teaches us about the machine. And so we learn how we are part of it, and how itself, through us "does the magic." So instead of doing the "magic" with 10% awareness, and our subconscious leading us around like a robot with the daily routine, we start consciously doing the magic with the machine.

Carpathian
24th March 2012, 05:01
Sirius White,

Those were some powerful words you wrote, sir/ma'am! As I spend more time here, reading and lurking, the main "issues" of "what this is all about" have started coming to the surface for me, and I am beginning to understand the true purpose of some things I thought I knew, like the LOA.

To me (when I wrote my original post) the LOA was like "hacking into the Matrix to get all the goodies you wanted." But, like you explained above (and put very eloquently too), the whole purpose of utilizing the LOA is NOT to "get what you want" but to spiritually "ask for what you need." It has almost nothing to do with desire for physical objects/money/etc. (And why would it? Like you said, it was originally used as a spiritual tool) and everything to do with your own understanding (of yourself) and spiritual growth.

It's a hard road, but I have learned more here in a few months on the forums, lurking, than I have in years just reading on my own. I think part of it was not completely understanding where everything was coming from - that drive to understand "you" and how "you" work. Instead, I was still believing in a lot of other things that "they" (take your pick as to who that means :)) say are important, but really aren't. I've had to radically realign the priorities in my life (and will continue to do this) - and I (surprisingly to me) like it. I'm not saying it's been smooth sailing AT ALL, but I certainly have a heck of a lot more (satisfaction? peace? happiness? I don't know what to call it...) when I look to the future now.

Gratitude is something that can be so easily overlooked and (for me) needs to be constantly monitored. When you look away to the future, you take your eyes off the present - and everything you have. I really DO NOT want to forget what I have (I have some wonderful people/pets in my life that I never want to take for granted - they are true blessings, every single one of them) because there have been times in my life when I literally have had nothing. Thank you for reminding me how important gratitude can be :-)

I know it took you a while to write all that out, so thank you very much for your reply. I heard and appreciated everything you said. Take care.