View Full Version : Enough ... at what point do we finally say ENOUGH!!!
Calz
22nd February 2012, 05:56
After year after year of learning about relentless attacks on our health and well being by the PTB/W what is it going to take to spur us into action???
Stop and think about it.
Yes ... awake and aware ... yet always on the defensive trying to survive the never ending and mericless onslaught from every imaginable front.
Sure growing your own food or using that from local organic sources is great ... but the GMO poison spreads and spreads like cancer even into the ground and water from otherwise healthy and well meaning sources.
I don't really offer an answer and so here we continue to be ... treading water in quicksand ... trying to be savy enough to see the light of another day.
Does it really always have to come down to pitchforks and torches???
:frusty::gaah:
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Monsanto's Bt GMO corn to be sold at Wal-Mart with no indication it is genetically modified
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer
(NaturalNews) Most of the genetically-modified (GM) corn products forced on American consumers today are hidden in processed foods in the form of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), corn oil, corn starch, and various other corn-based additives. But soon to be available at a Walmart near you is Monsanto's Bt sweet corn, the agri-giant's first ever GM corn product made available to consumers as whole ears right on the cob in the produce section-- and like with all other GMOs, neither Walmart nor Monsanto has any intention of labeling this new "Frankencorn."
Monsanto first unveiled this new variety of GM sweet corn back in August, which rivals Syngenta's GM sweet corn that has already been on the market in limited form for the past ten years, claiming that it would be available to farmers for planting during Fall 2011. Now, the corn appears set to make its debut in Walmart stores across the country as early as Summer 2012, unless massive public outcry is able to convince the multinational retailer to scrap the corn, or at least voluntarily label it.
This disturbing development comes courtesy of both Food & Water Watch and Sum Of Us, which recently drew attention to the issue by creating petitions against Walmart's potential sale of the corn. Though Monsanto's GM sweet corn contains three genetically-engineered (GE) traits that have never been used in food eaten directly by people, and that have never been properly tested, Walmart still intends to quietly stock its produce shelves with this phony corn in the very near future.
Whole Foods and Trader Joe's have rejected Monsanto's Bt corn, how about Wal-Mart?
In a recent campaign alert (http://sumofus.org/campaigns/walmart-monsanto/), Sum Of Us explains that immense consumer pressure has already resulted in commitments from Whole Foods Market, Trader Joe's, and General Mills not to use the new GM corn in any of their products. But as of the announcement, Walmart has made no such commitment, presumably because of the company's close-knit relationship with Monsanto, a "match made in hell" that Food & Water Watch has humorously dubbed "Walsanto" (https://www.facebook.com/WalsantoWatch?sk=info).
But there is still time to stop Walmart's stocking of Monsanto's latest GM poison which, if successful, has the potential to completely destroy the viability of the entire crop. If Walmart rejects the GM corn, many others will likely follow, which will result in farmers refusing to plant it.
It is a simple supply and demand situation, but one that is complicated by the fact that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) refuses to mandate that any GMOs be labeled, which means millions of people consume them all the time without knowing it. This is why YOUR help is needed to spread the truth about both GM sweet corn and GMOs in general to your friends, family members, neighbors, and coworkers.
You can also sign this petition by April 1, 2012, asking Walmart not to stock Monsanto's GM sweet corn:
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035029_GM_corn_Walmart_Monsanto.html#ixzz1n5QWb1nU
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U.S. meat supply widely contaminated with mad cow disease prions
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 by: David Gutierrez, staff writer
(NaturalNews) Mad cow disease is a progressive brain-wasting disease. It is caused by a type of defective protein known as a prion and cannot be cured. The factory farming practices of feeding animals the nervous tissue of other animals first caused the ballooning spread of mad cow disease and created the current crisis. When it became clear what had happened, many countries banned feeding the tissue of ruminants (cows, sheep and goats) to other ruminants.
There's just one problem: ruminant tissue (including nervous tissue) is still fed to everything else. That means that chicken, farmed fish, and any other kind of meat might contain mad cow prions.
To make matters worse, fish meal, chicken feces and the bodies of other animals can then be fed straight back to ruminants intended for human consumption. An extra step has been added, but the concentration of prions in animal flesh continues.
Prions are NOT destroyed by cooking
U.S. consumers are widely taught to "cook the meat" in order to sterilize it. But prions are not bacteria. They aren't alive, and they remain completely unaffected by cooking. Even radiation cannot destroy prions. They can survive right through the meat packing process and wind up in your next hamburger.
Ultimately, the only way to reliably reduce your risk of mad cow disease is to avoid factory-farmed meat products altogether. Only organic beef from grass-fed cattle can be trusted. Any meat that comes from a typical feedlot operation may be infected with prions and could therefore be deadly to consume.
Source: 25 Amazing Facts About Food, authored by Mike Adams and David Guiterrez. This report reveals surprising things about where your food comes from and what's really in it! Download the full report (FREE) by clicking here. Inside, you'll learn 24 more amazing but true facts about foods, beverages and food ingredients. Instant download of the complete PDF. All 25 facts are documented and true.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035025_mad_cow_disease_prions_meat.html#ixzz1n5TZYUip
Phoenix
22nd February 2012, 07:12
What do you propose
RedeZra
22nd February 2012, 07:14
bless you blue
God has heard you
and He agrees
it is ENOUGH
the dirty snowball has been rolling down the hill for a long time
and it is at the pit
this is the End Times
stay in there soldier
only one battle left
Armageddon
after that
Peace and Prosperity
Calz
22nd February 2012, 07:23
What do you propose
I don't know ... I wish I did and that was the gist of the thread.
Therein lays the angst.
Don't wish to rely on Fulford's ninjas or the Galactic Federation of Light ... may be something there ... or not.
Survival communities as first proposed when Avalon was very first formed is an alternative. Some are in a better postion than others to follow that path.
Expect the best path to follow would be from "spiritual guidance" but that varies greatly and causes plenty of opposing viewpoints as well.
Another ...
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NutraSweet Company brags about the second coming of aspartame: Neotame now taking over world markets
(NaturalNews) When the NutraSweet Company first began petitioning the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to approve aspartame as a food additive back in the early 1970s, it had every intention of conniving its way to success by whatever means possible. Today, after successfully getting aspartame approved and widely accepted around the world with flawed studies and behind-the-scenes manipulation, NutraSweet has once again done the same thing with a new chemical sweetener known as neotame, which is currently approved for use in food without even having to be labeled.
As we reported on recently, neotame was approved by the FDA back in 2002 without so much as a single conclusive, independent study proving its safety for human consumption. And yet the agency gave its full blessing not only to neotame's approval for use in food, but also for its unlabeled use -- as far as we know, not a single food product currently sold in the U.S. indicates that it contains neotame (http://www.naturalnews.com/034915_neotame_Monsanto_sweeteners.html).
Two years before the FDA approved neotame, the Monsanto Co. sold the NutraSweet Co. to J.W. Childs Equity Partners II, L.P., a private equity firm that also own the Sunny Delight Beverage Co. and Mattress Firm, among other companies. At the time of this purchase, NutraSweet issued a press release bragging about how neotame would drastically change the sweetener industry, even though it had not yet been approved for use.
Commenting on the company's plans for neotame, Nick E. Rosa, a former senior vice president at Monsanto who was given the position of president and CEO of NutraSweet at the time the company transferred ownership to J.W. Childs, had this to say:
"The NutraSweet Company revolutionized the sweetener industry in 1981 with the introduction of aspartame, and we intend to do it again with neotame when we receive approval from various regulatory agencies around the world."
Just as predicted, NutraSweet strong-armed FDA approval for neotame in the U.S. in 2002, and quickly expanded approval to at least 69 other countries in the following decade. But the company presumably still has a lot of work to do if it hopes to bring neotame to the same level as aspartame, which is sold in more than 100 countries and used in more than 5,000 consumers products used by 250 million people worldwide.
As detrimental as aspartame is to health, neotame is potentially far worse. Like aspartame, it is linked to severe neurotoxic and immunotoxic damage because it metabolizes into toxic formaldehyde and other toxic substances. And because it is unlabeled, the general public is unable to self-regulate consumption levels.
Sources for this article include:
http://www.nutrasweet.com/media/index.asp
http://www.naturalnews.com/028151_aspartame_sweeteners.html
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035016_aspartame_neotame_NutraSweet.html#ixzz1n5nAFRhR
modwiz
22nd February 2012, 07:46
After year after year of learning about relentless attacks on our health and well being by the PTB/W what is it going to take to spur us into action???
Stop and think about it.
Yes ... awake and aware ... yet always on the defensive trying to survive the never ending and mericless onslaught from every imaginable front.
Sure growing your own food or using that from local organic sources is great ... but the GMO poison spreads and spreads like cancer even into the ground and water from otherwise healthy and well meaning sources.
I don't really offer an answer and so here we continue to be ... treading water in quicksand ... trying to be savy enough to see the light of another day.
Does it really always have to come down to pitchforks and torches???
:frusty::gaah:
_______________________
Monsanto's Bt GMO corn to be sold at Wal-Mart with no indication it is genetically modified
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer
(NaturalNews) Most of the genetically-modified (GM) corn products forced on American consumers today are hidden in processed foods in the form of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), corn oil, corn starch, and various other corn-based additives. But soon to be available at a Walmart near you is Monsanto's Bt sweet corn, the agri-giant's first ever GM corn product made available to consumers as whole ears right on the cob in the produce section-- and like with all other GMOs, neither Walmart nor Monsanto has any intention of labeling this new "Frankencorn."
Monsanto first unveiled this new variety of GM sweet corn back in August, which rivals Syngenta's GM sweet corn that has already been on the market in limited form for the past ten years, claiming that it would be available to farmers for planting during Fall 2011. Now, the corn appears set to make its debut in Walmart stores across the country as early as Summer 2012, unless massive public outcry is able to convince the multinational retailer to scrap the corn, or at least voluntarily label it.
This disturbing development comes courtesy of both Food & Water Watch and Sum Of Us, which recently drew attention to the issue by creating petitions against Walmart's potential sale of the corn. Though Monsanto's GM sweet corn contains three genetically-engineered (GE) traits that have never been used in food eaten directly by people, and that have never been properly tested, Walmart still intends to quietly stock its produce shelves with this phony corn in the very near future.
Whole Foods and Trader Joe's have rejected Monsanto's Bt corn, how about Wal-Mart?
In a recent campaign alert (http://sumofus.org/campaigns/walmart-monsanto/), Sum Of Us explains that immense consumer pressure has already resulted in commitments from Whole Foods Market, Trader Joe's, and General Mills not to use the new GM corn in any of their products. But as of the announcement, Walmart has made no such commitment, presumably because of the company's close-knit relationship with Monsanto, a "match made in hell" that Food & Water Watch has humorously dubbed "Walsanto" (https://www.facebook.com/WalsantoWatch?sk=info).
But there is still time to stop Walmart's stocking of Monsanto's latest GM poison which, if successful, has the potential to completely destroy the viability of the entire crop. If Walmart rejects the GM corn, many others will likely follow, which will result in farmers refusing to plant it.
It is a simple supply and demand situation, but one that is complicated by the fact that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) refuses to mandate that any GMOs be labeled, which means millions of people consume them all the time without knowing it. This is why YOUR help is needed to spread the truth about both GM sweet corn and GMOs in general to your friends, family members, neighbors, and coworkers.
You can also sign this petition by April 1, 2012, asking Walmart not to stock Monsanto's GM sweet corn:
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035029_GM_corn_Walmart_Monsanto.html#ixzz1n5QWb1nU
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U.S. meat supply widely contaminated with mad cow disease prions
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 by: David Gutierrez, staff writer
(NaturalNews) Mad cow disease is a progressive brain-wasting disease. It is caused by a type of defective protein known as a prion and cannot be cured. The factory farming practices of feeding animals the nervous tissue of other animals first caused the ballooning spread of mad cow disease and created the current crisis. When it became clear what had happened, many countries banned feeding the tissue of ruminants (cows, sheep and goats) to other ruminants.
There's just one problem: ruminant tissue (including nervous tissue) is still fed to everything else. That means that chicken, farmed fish, and any other kind of meat might contain mad cow prions.
To make matters worse, fish meal, chicken feces and the bodies of other animals can then be fed straight back to ruminants intended for human consumption. An extra step has been added, but the concentration of prions in animal flesh continues.
Prions are NOT destroyed by cooking
U.S. consumers are widely taught to "cook the meat" in order to sterilize it. But prions are not bacteria. They aren't alive, and they remain completely unaffected by cooking. Even radiation cannot destroy prions. They can survive right through the meat packing process and wind up in your next hamburger.
Ultimately, the only way to reliably reduce your risk of mad cow disease is to avoid factory-farmed meat products altogether. Only organic beef from grass-fed cattle can be trusted. Any meat that comes from a typical feedlot operation may be infected with prions and could therefore be deadly to consume.
Source: 25 Amazing Facts About Food, authored by Mike Adams and David Guiterrez. This report reveals surprising things about where your food comes from and what's really in it! Download the full report (FREE) by clicking here. Inside, you'll learn 24 more amazing but true facts about foods, beverages and food ingredients. Instant download of the complete PDF. All 25 facts are documented and true.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035025_mad_cow_disease_prions_meat.html#ixzz1n5TZYUip
I do not eat meats and I only buy organic vegetables, either fresh or frozen. News like the above has no impact on me personally because of choices I have made in my life going on two decades now. I have also been without medical insurance for the same amount of time. I believe there is a correlation. Of course, what we believe shapes our reality, unless that is just a bullsh!t line for you. It is my truth.
The above news only applies to those who refuse to take steps to negate these shenanigans. This is about choice. Choose wisely and then news like this will not affect you. You may have friends and family suffering from it, but they are making their choices. Of course, my views may appear all upside down to some.
Calz
22nd February 2012, 08:11
I do not eat meats and I only buy organic vegetables, either fresh or frozen. News like the above has no impact on me personally because of choices I have made in my life going on two decades now. I have also been without medical insurance for the same amount of time. I believe there is a correlation. Of course, what we believe shapes our reality, unless that is just a bullsh!t line for you. It is my truth.
The above news only applies to those who refuse to take steps to negate these shenanigans. This is about choice. Choose wisely and then news like this will not affect you. You may have friends and family suffering from it, but they are making their choices. Of course, my views may appear all upside down to some.
Those are very wise and empowering life choices ... we would expect nothing less from a wizard :wizard:
Of course a number of things go beyond our control (and I won't list them) but your point is well made.
I think a big problem in getting more folks on board with that lifestyle has to do with the majority of people (at least in America) becoming trapped in other bad lifestyle choices leading to crushing debt which promotes such an overwhelming need to work for "the man" that many such options are taken away.
Hence the growth of "fast food" ... microwaves ... etc etc.
When I grew up even though my father worked two jobs at least my mother stayed at home to nurture and provide a healthy environment for the children.
"They" took the one worker family paradigm away from most all of us.
Many women come home so exhausted from working in an all day stressful environment they have little left to offer at mealtime except quick fixes or "take outs".
(again applying to this country as I know very well that varies around the world).
Cal
modwiz
22nd February 2012, 08:27
I do not eat meats and I only buy organic vegetables, either fresh or frozen. News like the above has no impact on me personally because of choices I have made in my life going on two decades now. I have also been without medical insurance for the same amount of time. I believe there is a correlation. Of course, what we believe shapes our reality, unless that is just a bullsh!t line for you. It is my truth.
The above news only applies to those who refuse to take steps to negate these shenanigans. This is about choice. Choose wisely and then news like this will not affect you. You may have friends and family suffering from it, but they are making their choices. Of course, my views may appear all upside down to some.
Those are very wise and empowering life choices ... we would expect nothing less from a wizard :wizard:
Of course a number of things go beyond our control (and I won't list them) but your point is well made.
I think a big problem in getting more folks on board with that lifestyle has to do with the majority of people (at least in America) becoming trapped in other bad lifestyle choices leading to crushing debt which promotes such an overwhelming need to work for "the man" that many such options are taken away.
Hence the growth of "fast food" ... microwaves ... etc etc.
When I grew up even though my father worked two jobs at least my mother stayed at home to nurture and provide a healthy environment for the children.
"They" took the one worker family paradigm away from most all of us.
Many women come home so exhausted from working in an all day stressful environment they have little left to offer at mealtime except quick fixes or "take outs".
(again applying to this country as I know very well that varies around the world).
Cal
I hear all of your points Calz, and I am not without compassion, but I live in the USA and have all of my life. I made changes and ones that put me outside the mainstream. Ones where I stood alone for years, having only my inner voice and Spirit to tell me my vision was true. This is all about empowerment, and all other answers are the reasons given for choosing to not embrace personal power. Some choices are tricky. To raise a family or not, is a big one. If raising a family on fast and microwaved food is the workaround then perhaps a choice made was not empowering. My point is, if you have chosen a path of powerlessness, resulting from life choices in the past, then bear the consequences with some dignity and grace.
All corn in wal-mart should rot in the shelves. Most people do not chew corn well enough to derive nutrition from it anyway. A quick look in the toilet will show you that. Corn is an unnecessary food, if its' quality or safety cannot be assured especially. Again, choice is key. Meat, is too emotional a topic to even begin to discuss.
Here and now, choice is our power point. We have far more choices available than we are willing to admit to ourselves. The victim mentality is epidemic in our culture. It is fed into our brains via the TV, another choice that people have. I could go on, but hope a crack in the veneer of victimhood is enough to let some light seep through.
Calz
22nd February 2012, 08:51
I hear all of your points Calz, and I am not without compassion, but I live in the USA and have all of my life. I made changes and ones that put me outside the mainstream. Ones where I stood alone for years, having only my inner voice and Spirit to tell me my vision was true. This is all about empowerment, and all other answers are the reasons given for choosing to not embrace personal power. Some choices are tricky. To raise a family or not, is a big one. If raising a family on fast and microwaved food is the workaround then perhaps a choice made was not empowering. My point is, if you have chosen a path of powerlessness, resulting from life choices in the past, then bear the consequences with some dignity and grace. All corn in wal-mart should rot in the shelves. Most people do not chew corn well enough to derive nutrition from it anyway. A quick look in the toilet will show you that. Corn is an unnecessary food, if its' quality of safety cannot be assured especially. Again, choice is key. Meat, is another subject too emotional a topic to even begin to discuss.
Here and now, choice is our power point. We have far more choices available than we are willing to admit to ourselves. The victim mentality is epidemic in our culture. It is fed into our brains via the TV, another choice that people have. I could go on, but hope a crack in the veneer of victimhood is enough to let some light seep through.
You have my deepest respect not only for who you are but the choices you made over the course of your lifetime to be that person.
Yet still ... isn't that akin to playing "defense"???
[no disagreement ... a bit of devil's advocate if you will]
Is that sustainable (pushing aside any earthchange/solar/whatever things happening or not this year)?
Unless you are well positioned in a remote valley in the mountains (aka Pete Peterson) are you not still susceptical to electronic nuggetry?
All the "money" is going underground. Sup with that???
That which has gotten into the air and soil will eventually find it's way into most all foodstuffs and water.
Doesn't that smack just a little bit of the ol' story "First they came for ..."???
Anyway ... yes there are ways to "bless" and cleanse food/water supplies spiritually and a few physical enhancements as well.
It just seems "logical" that at some point we need to stop being "defensive" and "reactionary" to what is foisted upon us because those are not the best of odds in the long run.
Some communities (37 I think) have gotten Flouride removed from their community water sources (although flouride in food remains a deeply hidden fact).
Anyway ... this time I will post some positive news on that front ...
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Monsanto Found Guilty of Chemical Poisoning in France
Monday 13 February 2012
by: Anthony Gucciardi, Natural Society | Report
In a major victory for public health and what will hopefully lead to other nations taking action, a French court decided today that GMO crops monster Monsanto is guilty of chemically poisoning a French farmer. The grain grower, Paul Francois, says he developed neurological problems such as memory loss and headaches after being exposed to Monsanto’s Lasso weedkiller back in 2004. The monumental case paves the way for legal action against Monsanto’s Roundup and other harmful herbicides and pesticides made by other manufacturers.
In a ruling given by a court in Lyon (southeast France), Francois says that Monsanto failed to provide proper warnings on the product label. The court ordered an expert opinion to determine the sum of the damages, and to verify the link between Lasso and the reported illnesses. The case is extremely important, as previous legal action taken against Monsanto by farmers has failed due to the challenge of properly linking pesticide exposure with the experienced side effects.
When contacted by Reuters, Monsanto’s lawyers declined to comment.
Monsanto’s Deadly Concoctions
Farmer Paul Francois was not alone in his quest to hold Monsanto accountable for their actions. He and other farmers affected by Monsanto’s deadly concoctions actually founded an association last year to make the case that their health problems were a result of Monsanto’s Lasso and other ‘crop protection’ products. Their claims were also met by many other farmers. Since 1996, the agricultural branch of the French social security system has gathered about 200 alerts per year regarding sickness related to pesticides. However only 47 cases were even recognized in the past 10 years.
Francois, whose life was damaged by Monsanto’s products, has now set the powerful precedent in the defense of farmers.
“I am alive today, but part of the farming population is going to be sacrificed and is going to die because of this,” Francois, 47, told Reuters.
It is also important to note that Monsanto’s Lasso pesticide was actually banned in France back in 2007 following a European Union directive that came after the ban of the product in other nations.
http://www.truth-out.org/monsanto-found-guilty-chemical-poisoning-france/1329834175#.T0R7aCgV3E4.facebook
modwiz
22nd February 2012, 09:10
I hear all of your points Calz, and I am not without compassion, but I live in the USA and have all of my life. I made changes and ones that put me outside the mainstream. Ones where I stood alone for years, having only my inner voice and Spirit to tell me my vision was true. This is all about empowerment, and all other answers are the reasons given for choosing to not embrace personal power. Some choices are tricky. To raise a family or not, is a big one. If raising a family on fast and microwaved food is the workaround then perhaps a choice made was not empowering. My point is, if you have chosen a path of powerlessness, resulting from life choices in the past, then bear the consequences with some dignity and grace. All corn in wal-mart should rot in the shelves. Most people do not chew corn well enough to derive nutrition from it anyway. A quick look in the toilet will show you that. Corn is an unnecessary food, if its' quality of safety cannot be assured especially. Again, choice is key. Meat, is another subject too emotional a topic to even begin to discuss.
Here and now, choice is our power point. We have far more choices available than we are willing to admit to ourselves. The victim mentality is epidemic in our culture. It is fed into our brains via the TV, another choice that people have. I could go on, but hope a crack in the veneer of victimhood is enough to let some light seep through.
You have my deepest respect not only for who you are but the choices you made over the course of your lifetime to be that person.
Yet still ... isn't that akin to playing "defense"???
[no disagreement ... a bit of devil's advocate if you will]
Is that sustainable (pushing aside any earthchange/solar/whatever things happening or not this year)?
Unless you are well positioned in a remote valley in the mountains (aka Pete Peterson) are you not still susceptical to electronic nuggetry?
All the "money" is going underground. Sup with that???
That which has gotten into the air and soil will eventually find it's way into most all foodstuffs and water.
Doesn't that smack just a little bit of the ol' story "First they came for ..."???
Anyway ... yes there are ways to "bless" and cleanse food/water supplies spiritually and a few physical enhancements as well.
It just seems "logical" that at some point we need to stop being "defensive" and "reactionary" to what is foisted upon us because those are not the best of odds in the long run.
Some communities (37 I think) have gotten Flouride removed from their community water sources (although flouride in food remains a deeply hidden fact).
Anyway ... this time I will post some postive news on that front ...
__________________
As to your question, my answer is it is not defense. By not giving them the material and energetic support of product usage I feel like I am on the offense. Withdrawal of funding stops their ability to move forward, because all war ceases when the funds dry up. I do not pay a cable bill. I will not pay them to lie to me and program me. We, the victims, fund our adversary at every point. Sure, they get what subsidies they can, but that is icing on the cake we pay for them to bake. We are a consumer driven society. We, are their life blood and we cut ourselves open and bleed for them 365/24/7 with our unobserved habits and appetites. We sustain their efforts against us. We travel when it is not required and let a TSA grope our children. Holidays and vacations are not necessary, for now. Let mom or grandma bitch about how we don't love them if we don't visit them. Another choice we all, as families made; Living hundreds or thousands of miles from each other instead of pooling our efforts in little tribes of power. We either understand our plight and act or we will be stuck, as we are now.
Finally. I love this planet, my Mother Gaia. I do what I can to assist Her materially and with my thoughts and emotions. I will do what I can to stay in the body that is Her dream of me. We both realize that blackmail and fear can never be tools of those who would oppress us, however, so fear of death, or lack thereof, is part of a bigger picture. This one inner stance solves a lot of possible problems. I fully understand about families and their complications here.
Calz
22nd February 2012, 09:15
I hear all of your points Calz, and I am not without compassion, but I live in the USA and have all of my life. I made changes and ones that put me outside the mainstream. Ones where I stood alone for years, having only my inner voice and Spirit to tell me my vision was true. This is all about empowerment, and all other answers are the reasons given for choosing to not embrace personal power. Some choices are tricky. To raise a family or not, is a big one. If raising a family on fast and microwaved food is the workaround then perhaps a choice made was not empowering. My point is, if you have chosen a path of powerlessness, resulting from life choices in the past, then bear the consequences with some dignity and grace. All corn in wal-mart should rot in the shelves. Most people do not chew corn well enough to derive nutrition from it anyway. A quick look in the toilet will show you that. Corn is an unnecessary food, if its' quality of safety cannot be assured especially. Again, choice is key. Meat, is another subject too emotional a topic to even begin to discuss.
Here and now, choice is our power point. We have far more choices available than we are willing to admit to ourselves. The victim mentality is epidemic in our culture. It is fed into our brains via the TV, another choice that people have. I could go on, but hope a crack in the veneer of victimhood is enough to let some light seep through.
You have my deepest respect not only for who you are but the choices you made over the course of your lifetime to be that person.
Yet still ... isn't that akin to playing "defense"???
[no disagreement ... a bit of devil's advocate if you will]
Is that sustainable (pushing aside any earthchange/solar/whatever things happening or not this year)?
Unless you are well positioned in a remote valley in the mountains (aka Pete Peterson) are you not still susceptical to electronic nuggetry?
All the "money" is going underground. Sup with that???
That which has gotten into the air and soil will eventually find it's way into most all foodstuffs and water.
Doesn't that smack just a little bit of the ol' story "First they came for ..."???
Anyway ... yes there are ways to "bless" and cleanse food/water supplies spiritually and a few physical enhancements as well.
It just seems "logical" that at some point we need to stop being "defensive" and "reactionary" to what is foisted upon us because those are not the best of odds in the long run.
Some communities (37 I think) have gotten Flouride removed from their community water sources (although flouride in food remains a deeply hidden fact).
Anyway ... this time I will post some postive news on that front ...
__________________
As to your question, my answer is it is nor defense. By not giving them the material and energetic support of product usage I feel like I am on the offense. Withdrawal of funding stops their ability to move forward, because all war ceases when the funds dry up. I do not pay a cable bill. I will not pay them to lie to me and program me. We, the victims, fund our adversary at every point. Sure, they get what subsidies they can, but that is icing on the cake we pay for them to bake. We are a consumer driven society. We, are their life blood and we cut ourselves open and bleed for them 365/24/7 with out unobserved habits and appetites. We sustain their efforts against us. We travel when it is not required and let a TSA grope our children. Holidays and vacations are not necessary, for now. Let mom or grandma bitch about how we don't love them if we don't visit them. Another choice we all, as families made. Living hundreds or thousands of miles from each other instead of pooling our efforts in little tribes of power. We either understand our plight and act or we will be stuck, as we are now.
Finally. I love this planet, my Mother Gaia. I do what I can to assist her materially and with my thoughts and emotions. I will do what I can to stay in the body that is Her dream of me. We both realize that blackmail and fear can never be tools of those who would oppress us, however, so fear of death is part of the bigger picture. This one inner stance solves a lot of possible problems. I fully understand about families and their complications here.
Hard to take a single point aginst anything you say there my friend.
My hope is that you are indeed that 99th monkey ... we only need one more Avalonian :)
C'mon
Borden
22nd February 2012, 09:17
If I want to buy organically grown spinach, kale, rocket - things like this that grow easily here in England ... it costs a comparative fortune. But if I wanted all sorts of rubbish that's full of GM, chemicals and animal misery ... super cheap. This informs people's 'choices', and it's pretty horrifying.
I'm torn between compassion and anger. Everybody has the ability to make choices just as I do, but there is this problem of herd mentality. If the supermarkets are full of poisonous rubbish, then the subconscious message is that it's okay. When Mum and Dad feed you meat as a child, then it must be okay. Same principle. It's a kind of hypnotism. I choose to not watch TV for instance. I find the occasional glimpses I get of TV so disgusting that I wonder how on earth I ever did watch it, but I doubt TV has got much worse in the space of a year. If I hadn't made that choice I wouldn't have this new perspective. However, while I did still watch TV I spent most of my time in front of it being angry at it. So that takes me back to the choice thing, and the anger argues with the compassion, arguing, "well if I can see through this evil rubbish why can't everybody?"
I agree with what modwiz says here, including the point that meat is too emotional a topic to even begin to discuss. The fact that it doesn't seem too emotional to those I see ambling through the chilled anatomy shelves in my local supermarket is truly horrific to me. So that's when I have the thought that they can go off whatever cliff they like and good luck to 'em. Why should I care? They've got the choice just like me. And then compassion kicks in again and it's all just circular.
I completely understand how you feel Calz. Pitchforks and torches are not the answer though. I don't know what the answer is, but my personal answer is to carry on making my personal choices and let everybody else get on with it.
Best wishes,
Borden
Black Panther
22nd February 2012, 09:40
I was just looking at the meaning 14:41 I'm seeing lately:
"Returning the third time, he said to them, "Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners."
Imo we have reached a tipping point of a completely mad world. We all know we
can't go on like this. Mother Earth won't let us continue this way. Enough!
:wizard:
Nathalie
22nd February 2012, 10:43
If I may... « When do we say enough », is a question that has been haunting me for a few months now. I have the same reflexions you all have. As I go food shopping and look at other people's caddies (yes, I do that a lot...), I just want to poke someone on the shoulder and say « Do you really know what you're feeding your loved ones??? Do you have any idea where it comes from, how it's processed, how it's bred and slaughtered? Do you know the amount of sugar in a can of Coke?? » But then I think everyone is fast asleep. Who wants to wake up and face the fact that it's not right? Who is really ready for a paradigm shift? I'm thinking not a lot of people. While more and more are starting to question things (thank you for the article about Monsanto losing a battle in France, I got a real kick out of that one!), in the end, it's an individual effort. And as many individuals start to slowly change their way of life, others might say, hmmmmm, not a bad idea...
But we can't hold on to the fact that the herd is indeed asleep. This isn't healthy. What can you do on your end? For my part, I stopped eating meat and am growing my own vegetables. Or I buy from a friend who grows tons of it. I try to boycott certain companies, I buy organic laundry soap and such because I can afford it, I've stopped wasting, I make my own compost, etc... Obviously, it doesn't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. But it does to me. You can't force mass awakening. And who says things aren't exactly how they're supposed to be? Is it really all wrong? Isn't this part of us growing up? In my own humble opinion, I figure I'll do what's best for me, as long as it harms noone and be at peace with what is. And wait and see when Mother Earth says enough! Cause in the end, she be the boss...
There you have it...
p.s.: And why can't we talk about not eating meat???
golden lady
22nd February 2012, 10:57
The trouble is for the majority," choice" is deminishing. One example, here in the Uk, no added sugar soft drinks like orange squash, one knew it had Aspartame in and would steer clear. I've recently noticed the other squashes also have the dreaded Aspatame in. I feel for Mums who buy these no added sugar drinks, thinking they are doing the best for their children. There many, many other examples of no choice.
Yes us Avalonians know,some even instinctively, what's bad/good for us. That's all well and good but what are we actually changing. I don't have any answers, apart from trying to influence my own circle of family and friends, mind you that's hard work!
Thanks Calz for the heads re Neotame. It makes my blood boil!
Borden
22nd February 2012, 11:05
If I may... « When do we say enough », is a question that has been haunting me for a few months now. I have the same reflexions you all have. As I go food shopping and look at other people's caddies (yes, I do that a lot...), I just want to poke someone on the shoulder and say « Do you really know what you're feeding your loved ones??? Do you have any idea where it comes from, how it's processed, how it's bred and slaughtered? Do you know the amount of sugar in a can of Coke?? » But then I think everyone is fast asleep. Who wants to wake up and face the fact that it's not right? Who is really ready for a paradigm shift? I'm thinking not a lot of people. While more and more are starting to question things (thank you for the article about Monsanto losing a battle in France, I got a real kick out of that one!), in the end, it's an individual effort. And as many individuals start to slowly change their way of life, others might say, hmmmmm, not a bad idea...
But we can't hold on to the fact that the herd is indeed asleep. This isn't healthy. What can you do on your end? For my part, I stopped eating meat and am growing my own vegetables. Or I buy from a friend who grows tons of it. I try to boycott certain companies, I buy organic laundry soap and such because I can afford it, I've stopped wasting, I make my own compost, etc... Obviously, it doesn't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. But it does to me. You can't force mass awakening. And who says things aren't exactly how they're supposed to be? Is it really all wrong? Isn't this part of us growing up? In my own humble opinion, I figure I'll do what's best for me, as long as it harms noone and be at peace with what is. And wait and see when Mother Earth says enough! Cause in the end, she be the boss...
There you have it...
p.s.: And why can't we talk about not eating meat???
Because it's so emotionally charged for some people. I know it is for me anyway. But go ahead, so long as Calz doesn't mind in his thread, I'll join you!
Actually, for me, it's possibly the most important indicator of what is so perverse and wrong with our species. It is the (roast) elephant in the living room. I can and will expand on this if provoked, but wouldn't want to derail here.
Borden
modwiz
22nd February 2012, 11:06
There you have it...
p.s.: And why can't we talk about not eating meat???
Go ahead and bring it up. I no longer wish to deal with what comes up during conversations on this topic. I do what I can to see people in the best light possible. Hearing the reasoning on this subject makes liking people much harder, so I avoid it.
Hermite
22nd February 2012, 11:11
May I just suggest, Calz, that you not shop at Walmart. There's a choice you can make. Unless you live somewhere they have run all the other stores out. And don't buy corn. Like Modwiz said, it's not really good people food. Besides, it all tastes like crud now anyway. I quit buying it years ago. Blah. Then tell other people what you're doing. Not just people here, we don't know where you are so have no real power. But you have power there, the power of your wallet, no matter how empty it may be at times. Plus, your voice. Speak up to the managers of stores, tell them what you like and what you wont' accept. Call your elected officials, they work for you (supposedly). Tell them what you think. It may not do any good but I bet it will make you feel more empowered. Call them every day. Maybe it will make a difference. Couldn't hurt to try, right?
Oh, and you really should try to quit TV, too. I know it's seemingly impossible if you have kids, but I highly recommend it. Again, how do you know unless you try.
Best wishes to you and yours.
Nathalie
22nd February 2012, 12:06
Well, about meat, it's really not necessary for our body, you can find vegetable protein everywhere. You just have to make sure that your amino acid intake is complete. This being said, I don't like knowing that an animal died so that I can eat it, especially if I don't need it to be healthy. But I haven't always been a vegetarian and I understand those who choose to eat meat. Most of us have been raised on meat, I chose to question that, not everyone has to. Now if I wanted to be really honest, I would chose veganism, because after all, if I eat cheese which I do, there has to be milk and if there is milk, the has to be a calf, or a lamb, and where does it go once we start milking the cow?? And I wouldn't wear leather either. And I do. So, when all is said and done, being vegetarian is one step, but it isn't perfect just yet. However, eating meat for most is a reality and apparently it won't go away, I therefore think an effort should be made about responsible farming and ESPECIALLY more humane slaughtering techniques. But we could go on about the "humanity" of slaughtering, so this is where I stop. Again, this is an individual effort, it concerns me and only me. But yes as I write, I understand that it's a sensitive subject and I'm hesitant to click the "Post Quick Reply" button...
Borden
22nd February 2012, 12:34
Well, about meat, it's really not necessary for our body, you can find vegetable protein everywhere. You just have to make sure that your amino acid intake is complete. This being said, I don't like knowing that an animal died so that I can eat it, especially if I don't need it to be healthy. But I haven't always been a vegetarian and I understand those who choose to eat meat. Most of us have been raised on meat, I chose to question that, not everyone has to. Now if I wanted to be really honest, I would chose veganism, because after all, if I eat cheese which I do, there has to be milk and if there is milk, the has to be a calf, or a lamb, and where does it go once we start milking the cow?? And I wouldn't wear leather either. And I do. So, when all is said and done, being vegetarian is one step, but it isn't perfect just yet. However, eating meat for most is a reality and apparently it won't go away, I therefore think an effort should be made about responsible farming and ESPECIALLY more humane slaughtering techniques. But we could go on about the "humanity" of slaughtering, so this is where I stop. Again, this is an individual effort, it concerns me and only me. But yes as I write, I understand that it's a sensitive subject and I'm hesitant to click the "Post Quick Reply" button...
Nathalie, thank you for your intelligent comments. If I were in angry mode I would say that maybe this is not a personal matter for you or me to decide only for ourselves, because hundreds of millions of animals die every year in conditions that I can only describe as hell.
I tried the veganism route and was committed to it. After several years I nearly died, even though I did it quite scientifically and with much research. I started eating fish (only fish, and only specific types of fish) and recovered with miraculous speed. I don't know whether I was doing it wrong or I am genetically disposed to needing fish, but I do know that I would not be here today had I not (very grudgingly) given up on being a vegan. If I thought I could be vegan again I would.
What enrages and appalls me is to see animal life taken cheaply and with no consideration. When I see fat people eating hamburgers I feel the wrath of angels. I am working on the compassion of angels part. This is not nutrition ... this is idiot hell that the stupid buy into. It is profoundly disgusting to me.
I totally agree with you ... if people are going to eat meat then far more attention should be paid to the welfare of the animal and also to its death. That at least would be a start.
Borden
Muzz
22nd February 2012, 12:43
Thanks to all on this thread. My 2 cents for what its worth.
A few years ago I heard the phrase "every penny you spend is a vote for the world you want to live in"
I'm not preaching here by the way. I went home after hearing this and looked round my house. I was supporting some pretty awfull behaviour without ever realising it. Since then I have adjusted my behaviour. But its harder for those with no money, that is part of the control system. Whatever I can afford to do to support sustainable and ethical practices I do. This has helped me realise my own power. And now I am in a position to agree with modwiz
I feel like I am on the offense. If you have limitted funds/time just do what you can.
Even if you buy one expensive organic apple. Think of the people you are supporting down the line. If enough people do the same this drives the price down making it more affordable for others. That is a powerfull act.
I gave up trying to force this stuff on people. There are some serious firewalls in place. I lost friends trying to do that. Now I just concentrate on myself and try my hardest to set an example. Ironically enough this has caused more people to come to me with questions. When this happens they are much more open to new information.
Nathalie
22nd February 2012, 12:49
Nathalie, thank you for your intelligent comments. If I were in angry mode I would say that maybe this is not a personal matter for you or me to decide only for ourselves, because hundreds of millions of animals die every year in conditions that I can only describe as hell.
I tried the veganism route and was committed to it. After several years I nearly died, even though I did it quite scientifically and with much research. I started eating fish (only fish, and only specific types of fish) and recovered with miraculous speed. I don't know whether I was doing it wrong or I am genetically disposed to needing fish, but I do know that I would not be here today had I not (very grudgingly) given up on being a vegan. If I thought I could be vegan again I would.
What enrages and appalls me is to see animal life taken cheaply and with no consideration. When I see fat people eating hamburgers I feel the wrath of angels. I am working on the compassion of angels part. This is not nutrition ... this is idiot hell that the stupid buy into. It is profoundly disgusting to me.
I totally agree with you ... if people are going to eat meat then far more attention should be paid to the welfare of the animal and also to its death. That at least would be a start.
Borden
It's interesting that fish saved your life! Good thing you're alive to tell the story... As for the rest, well... I'm with you. I do agree that "this is not a personal matter for you or me to decide only for ourselves, because hundreds of millions of animals die every year in conditions that I can only describe as hell." But what can we do, really? For most, eating meat is like breathing. So is riding in a car that burns fuel. So is using nuclear generated electricity... I like to think Mother Earth will let us know when enough is enough. And I hope that's soon, because no one seems to care. I feel sad, all of a sudden...
meeradas
22nd February 2012, 12:51
this shall be my comment (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15546-The-Truth-Behind-Meat-Production&p=171681#post171681) on the sub-topic
Borden
22nd February 2012, 13:04
Don't be sad, Nathalie ... people like us in forums like this care about animals, and at least we're talking about it. That means that it is not a closed subject in the great mind of us as a bigger entity than individuals.
I've seen infant animals killed horribly by soulless thugs in a production line. I would like to think that the fat, hamburger eating people would drop their hamburger if they saw what I have seen. I think every child has that moment of ... "where does meat come from?" ... and the fact that Mum and Dad say that it's okay is just the evil hypnotism carried on down the line. It's not that the fat hamburger eating people are evil, it's just that they're stupid. Information might change that, but with so many vested financial interests in hell for animals, we're unlikely to see that information becoming widely known.
I hate eating fish, by the way. I never do it without a private moment first that some might call a prayer. Not to any God, but to the fish, and to mother nature. I wish I could find an alternative, but I am not kidding about having nearly died. The worst thing was that my mind fell apart, and now, when I look at images of people starving in third world countries I feel even more sympathy, because that is what happens. I was suicidal for many months, and I later learned about how essential fatty acids regulate the seratonin in the brain. God help them. And God help the animals in this miserable human world.
Borden
PurpleLama
22nd February 2012, 14:18
... we only need one more Avalonian :)
C'mon
In my best Shenran the Eternal Dragon voice:
Your Wish Has Been Granted
7o9wvYXR3n0
The 100th Avalonian Monkey don't play.
Borden
22nd February 2012, 14:59
When I go to Tesco tomorrow will the anatomy shelves be empty?
I bloody well hope so. That clip sounds like a voice of authority!
Borden
Dennis Leahy
22nd February 2012, 16:45
Don't be sad, Nathalie ... people like us in forums like this care about animals, and at least we're talking about it. That means that it is not a closed subject in the great mind of us as a bigger entity than individuals.
I've seen infant animals killed horribly by soulless thugs in a production line. I would like to think that the fat, hamburger eating people would drop their hamburger if they saw what I have seen. I think every child has that moment of ... "where does meat come from?" ... and the fact that Mum and Dad say that it's okay is just the evil hypnotism carried on down the line. It's not that the fat hamburger eating people are evil, it's just that they're stupid. Information might change that, but with so many vested financial interests in hell for animals, we're unlikely to see that information becoming widely known.
I hate eating fish, by the way. I never do it without a private moment first that some might call a prayer. Not to any God, but to the fish, and to mother nature. I wish I could find an alternative, but I am not kidding about having nearly died. The worst thing was that my mind fell apart, and now, when I look at images of people starving in third world countries I feel even more sympathy, because that is what happens. I was suicidal for many months, and I later learned about how essential fatty acids regulate the seratonin in the brain. God help them. And God help the animals in this miserable human world.
Borden
Hi Borden,
I'm vegan, and I know it is just one aspect of Calz topic, but I do find the subject very interesting and important.
A few random thoughts...
I have heard a few people who were vegan say they went to a state of low vitality on a vegan diet. Although I do hold the possibility that some humans are 'wired' as omnivores for optimum health, a huge part of me doubts it. I guess, in a big way, it just doesn't make sense to me. I'm not negating the experience that you have, but wondering if it may be possible that there is a misinterpretation of the data you collected as a guinea pig. :~)
Coca Cola and Twinkies (http://www.divinecaroline.com/22107/35281-twinkie-ingredients-revealed) is a vegan diet. So, we know that the category "vegan" is very wide, and can include anything from deadly to nutrient-dense and heathful. My guess is that you were probably very, very, far away from the Coke & Twinkie diet and ate as healthful as you knew how. Again, admitting the possibility that I'm wrong, and that some humans need animal products, my guess is that most vegans that arrive at a state of low vitality are doing something "wrong."
Let's use your example of 'fatty acids' as a single facet of discussion. (It is often B12 that starts this inquiry.) Essential fatty acids are easy to get in fish, and takes major sleuthing to find them in enough quantity and balance in the plant kingdom. A movie, Lorenzo's Oil, (based on a true story) came out a few years ago, and was about a father's search for a treatment for his son's degenerative disease - and the long chain fatty acids derived from plant oils ended up to be the answer. So I find it amazing (and encouraging) that you were able to figure out that essential fatty acids were lacking in your diet, and that you found a source. I don't know about the UK, but in the US, you would not be able to walk into a grocery store (or even most "health food" stores!) and find cannabis seed meal, or cannabis oil. The percentage (http://www.anniesremedy.com/herb_detail164.php) of essential fatty acids in cannabis is the highest of any (known) plant in the world. And, it has the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 in a 3:1 ratio, considered ideal for humans.
I hope this is taken in the spirit offered. I'm not trying to "correct" you, but rather to offer the possibility that we may not know enough about a healthful vegan diet to assure that any human can be vibrant and in full vitality on a vegan diet. And/or, the perfect ingredients (including cannabis) may not be locally available.
I just purchased a new book, and though it would be silly to review a book I haven't completed reading, nor have I taken the effort to follow the recommendations (yet), I'd say it is certainly worth investigating. The book is Green For Life (http://greenforlife.com/) and the author describes hitting a less-than-optimal plateau with her vegan diet, in fact, raw vegan diet. That set her on a path of exploration...
Boutenko’s groundbreaking research comparing the diet of wild chimpanzees with the standard American diet remains a powerful cornerstone of the book, and her findings on the abundance of protein in greens, the role of greens in homeostasis, the significant of stomach acid, how greens make the body more alkaline, the healing power of chlorophyll, and more present readers with the keys to restoring and increasing their health and well-being.
Although, for insane legal reasons, I am not allowed to even think about including the leaves of the cannabis plant as part of my diet, this video is worth watching (or re-watching.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgEP9FdIzT8
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgEP9FdIzT8
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Another aspect of Calz' topic is the horrendous treatment of the vast majority of animals raised for consumption. I tell friends and family that do eat animal products to spend the time and the money to only purchase the very finest meat, fish, eggs, and milk that are available.
I was influenced about 30 years ago by John Robbins, the original whistleblower on "factory farming/(ranching)", by hearing him speak and by reading the first of his books, Diet For A New America (http://www.johnrobbins.info/other-books-by-john/diet-for-a-new-america/). At the time, I would have predicted that his message (delivered in a gentle, loving, and compassionate way that has strongly influenced my writing) would have created a full revolt against the methods of factory ranching - if for no other reason than that the consumers wold be reviled by what they knew of the meat they eat. Stunningly, nothing at all has been done from a top-down governmental perspective. In other words, cruelty, inhumane conditions, pathogenic conditions, use of antibiotics, steroids, and GMO feed is all legal. Approved!
You would think that every person that becomes aware of the conditions under which these animals are raised would be outraged, appalled, and ready to do something about it - if only to change their own buying habits. I have seen, time and again, most of these people slip back into the sleepwalking state of denial and ignorance, or feel helpless because they (believe that they) cannot afford properly raised animal products.
Dennis
mountain_jim
22nd February 2012, 17:19
Well I have not eaten beef, pork, or chicken for 37 years, and I believe I am fairly healthy. :)
Chicken agribusinees showed up after I had my first home/retreat 50 miles out from a city - they ruined the air, shot my dogs, poisened the water.
I left and moved where none of this type biz works economically.
I do eat occasional seafood and dairy so I can't claim being a pure vegi or vegan, but I believe my diet has helped my nervous system to be more sensitive and reduced my environmental footprint somewhat. And I am happy not to support meat-agribiz in many of its forms, after it so screwed me.
crested-duck
22nd February 2012, 18:40
Please do'nt hate me because I just love a good T-bone cooked med well on the grill. With a side of fresh green beans and a salad with o/v. We buy local beef raised on local grain and pastures from a local butcher. We are all going to die eventually, one way or another, I do not feel guilty for spoiling myself once in a while. We're here to experience and taste everything earth has to offer, Earth offers T-bones and I like the taste! Some like the taste of duck too !
ghostrider
22nd February 2012, 18:56
What do you propose
the only reason things are the way they are , cause we allow it. how did the mayans, or the egyptians, hopi, aztecs, zulus, make it without banks, electric, oil companies, the pentegon, a president, a congress, cell phones, ask yourself WHAT DID WE DO BEFORE ?? TRIBAL LIVING IS THE ONLY ANSWER. small groups of ten or twenty, all working for the good of all. in total harmony with their neighbors doing the same thing , all working for the good of all... instead of the working for the good of self... somebody throw out ideas, because your right enough is enough...anything has to better than this matrix of slavery and control... everyday I go to work and wonder, WHY AM I DOING THIS ?? I work to pay bills, instead of living. we do the work someone else gets the money , we get the scraps, just enough to pay bills and do it again next week and again , and again. insanity= doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
gardunk
22nd February 2012, 20:12
What appears evident is maybe being missed/ Cal has alerted a lot of folks on the forum to a pertinent issue and that is what is most important/ the way we act upon that which we are given access is for each to work out in their own hearts...
Guest
22nd February 2012, 20:27
75 Percent of Americans Will Be Overweight by 2020 (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/21/429246/75-percent-of-americans-will-be-overweight-by-2020/) | A report issued today by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) predicts (http://www.oecd.org/document/10/0,3746,en_2649_33929_38334282_1_1_1_1,00.html) that close to 75 percent of Americans will be considered overweight or obese by the end of the decade, the highest predicted rate of any country surveyed. This equates to an eight percent rise in the number of Americans who are overweight and obese, according to the OECD. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2010/09/08/171640/obesity-spending-cbo/) that health care spending, while rising among all weight categories, increased considerably faster for Americans considered overweight or obese, while a recent study (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/16/us-medicare-idUSTRE81F1HW20120216) on Medicare found that obese beneficiaries required an extra $149 in spending a year.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/21/429246/75-percent-of-americans-will-be-overweight-by-2020/?mobile=nc
I don't know what the solutions to the ever growing health issues are. Large corporations are profiting from over indulgence of people eating diets of, unless maybe it is genetics, fatty foods, chemically treated, processed foods, GMOs and animals and also not to mention over vaccination which can contain damaging and lethal amounts of metals. A lot of people consume too much of the wrong things for their minds and bodies.
The one's profiting from this are the large corporations like Monsato, Big Pharma and insurance companies. Problem Reaction Solution.... they are controlling the herd.
Personally as for eating meat -I never was much of a meat eater, didn't really like it. About 3 mos ago I completely stopped. I have always had problems with my muscles and joints aching -a month after I stopped eating meat, my joints and muscles stopped aching.
Love
Nora
we are all related
Calz
22nd February 2012, 22:02
There you have it...
p.s.: And why can't we talk about not eating meat???
Because it's so emotionally charged for some people. I know it is for me anyway. But go ahead, so long as Calz doesn't mind in his thread, I'll join you!
Actually, for me, it's possibly the most important indicator of what is so perverse and wrong with our species. It is the (roast) elephant in the living room. I can and will expand on this if provoked, but wouldn't want to derail here.
Borden
By all means continue.
Thread is an open-ended (albiet) exasperated call to action. Quantum trains cannot be derailed :)
Solutions most always start on a personal level ... going to family ... community etc.
Whatever works for anyone please feel free to contribute and explore.
If ever there was good reason for *not* eating meat it is now not only due to the factory farming of animals but the GMO feed is being passed along to humans because of it.
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Calz
22nd February 2012, 22:08
May I just suggest, Calz, that you not shop at Walmart.
The city I live in is large enough to have a "Trader Joe's" market (referenced in the OP) as well as "farmer's market" and "orgranic" type local outlets. Walmart is easy to say "no" to :thumb:
City living isn't necessarily condusive to a healthy lifestyle but that is another story.
@ Dennis:
Hi Borden,
I'm vegan, and I know it is just one aspect of Calz topic, but I do find the subject very interesting and important.
A few random thoughts...
Great post Dennis ... thanks so much :clap2:
Calz
22nd February 2012, 22:28
... we only need one more Avalonian :)
C'mon
In my best Shenran the Eternal Dragon voice:
Your Wish Has Been Granted
7o9wvYXR3n0
The 100th Avalonian Monkey don't play.
Lucky we are to have so many wizards in our midst.
I think the 100th Avalonian Monkey has made it's presence felt :thumb:
:wizard:
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TWINCANS
22nd February 2012, 23:15
I don't really offer an answer and so here we continue to be ... treading water in quicksand ... trying to be savy enough to see the light of another day.
Does it really always have to come down to pitchforks and torches???
As Modwizard has eloquently placed into the Avalon Plan-in-the-making to DO SOMETHING to stop the madness, first step is personal lifestyle choices ie voting with your pocketbook as well as choosing NOT to add your energy to the beast. Interestingly that also usually means a career choice rethink to pull away one's energy and raise one's sights.
In addition there's DISCLOSURE. The conspiracy community has dug up much dung, but there's still more work in shovelling it out there so the stench reaches every nose. Not a fun job when there's a shoot the messenger attitude to change out there in the sheeple field. Still, many people are hearing the call which is cause for celebration. A big huge flashlight that will hopefully continue to get brighter being shone on the elites. Then no place to run, frozen like deer in the headlights.
I am personally hopeful that disclosure of the nail-in-the-coffin type has begun, what with Lord Blackmore's speech in the Lord's and the trillion dollar lawsuit and the bank CEO resignations and the armed forces supporting Ron Paul and CNN being forced to cover his speeches at least a bit and, why not, the channellings from many sources and... I look forward to what Ben Fulford has to say next (he indicated it would be factual events so we can check it out). But then I've always been a glass half full type.
Borden
23rd February 2012, 00:08
Dennis Leahy, thank you for your brilliant post.
I am completely open-minded on this subject of nutrition. All I know is that while a vegan I was spending fortunes on the vegan foods I thought I needed to stay healthy. I paid special attention to EFAs, and ate a lot of hemp seeds, flax seeds, Spirulina, etc.
Apart from my mind disintegrating (trust me, it was the most hellish period of my life), my body did. Towards the end I could not even walk five minutes up the road to my local shop. If I did (a gruelling ordeal) I would have to spend the next few days going down the stairs one step at a time on my arse. It was that bad. It felt that my bones were disintegrating.
When it was at its worst, and while suffering a mental torture I would not wish on my worst enemy, I did something recommended by Alberto Villoldo in his book 'The Four Insights'. It's a chakra cleansing exercise. The next morning when I woke up my body was screaming at me to eat fish, mackerel specifically. Weird, eh? I did (finally, despite my feelings), and over a month or two I came back to life.
I do know that the human body is a tough machine, and we can take a lot of abuse. It is still amazing to me that micro-nutrients could have felled a big strong guy like me. But it makes me think ... these GM foods and pesticides and all the rest of it ... what the hell are we doing to ourselves? and while derailing flagrantly, I still totally agree with Calz. Why are we putting up with this? However, what can you do except make your own personal choices? I have actually had the experience of explaining to people about the independent research into aspartame ... and they've smiiled at me as though it doesn't apply to them, and said, "oh, well I'm sure a little bit won't hurt".
Hell in a hand-basket.
Borden
Guest
23rd February 2012, 03:50
I know a lot of people who are making life style changes, buying all organic foods, using filters for their water, not eating meat and supporting their own community's in stopping GMO food products and chemical and fluoridation of their water supply.
Found this article on fluoridation and also wanted to bump this thread.
50 reasons why Fluoride should not be added to our drinking water supply
By Paul Connett, PhD and other members of the Fluoride Action Network (including James Beck, MD, PhD, Michael Connett, JD, Hardy Limeback, DDS, PhD, David McRae and Spedding Micklem, D.Phil.) Introduction
Fluoridation is the practice of adding a fluoride compound to the public drinking water supply ostensibly for the purpose of fighting tooth decay. The levels used range from 0.6 to 1.2 milligrams of fluoride ion per liter (or parts per million, ppm). The practice began in the U.S. in 1945 and was endorsed by the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) in 1950. Very few countries have adopted this practice to any significant extent. Only eight countries in the world have more than 50% of their populations drinking artificially fluoridated water (Australia, Colombia, Ireland, Israel, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, and the U.S.). In Europe, only Ireland (with 73% of the population fluoridated), the U.K. (10%) and Spain (10%) fluoridate some of their water supplies. In the U.S., about 70% of the population is drinking fluoridated water – that is approximately 200 million people and about half the number of people drinking artificially fluoridated water worldwide. Some countries have areas with high natural fluoride levels in the water. These include India, China and parts of Africa. In these countries measures are being taken to remove the fluoride because of the health problems that fluoride can cause.
Fluoridation is a bad medical practice
Fluoride is the only chemical added to water for the purpose of medical treatment. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) classifies fluoride as a drug when used to prevent or mitigate disease (FDA 2000). As a matter of basic logic, adding fluoride to water for the sole purpose of preventing tooth decay (a non-waterborne disease) is a form of medical treatment. All other water treatment chemicals are added to improve the water's quality or safety, which fluoride does not do.
Fluoridation is unethical. Informed consent is standard practice for all medication, and one of the key reasons why most of Western Europe has ruled against fluoridation. With water fluoridation we are allowing governments to do to whole communities (forcing people to take a medicine irrespective of their consent) what individual doctors cannot do to individual patients. While referenda are preferential to imposed policies from government, it still leaves the problem of individual rights versus majority rule. Put another way: Does a voter have the right to require that their neighbor ingest a certain medication (even if it is against that neighbor's will)?
The dose cannot be controlled. Once fluoride is put in the water it is impossible to control the dose each individual receives because people drink different amounts of water. Being able to control the dose a patient receives is critical. Some people (e.g., manual laborers, athletes, diabetics, and people with kidney disease) drink substantially more water than others.
The fluoride goes to everyone regardless of age, health or vulnerability. According to Dr. Arvid Carlsson, the 2000 Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology and one of the scientists who helped keep fluoridation out of Sweden:
"Water fluoridation goes against leading principles of pharmacotherapy, which is progressing from a stereotyped medication -- of the type 1 tablet 3 times a day -- to a much more individualized therapy as regards both dosage and selection of drugs. The addition of drugs to the drinking water means exactly the opposite of an individualized therapy" (Carlsson 1978).
People now receive fluoride from many other sources besides water. Fluoridated water is not the only way people are exposed to fluoride. Other sources of fluoride include food and beverages processed with fluoridated water (Kiritsy 1996; Heilman 1999), fluoridated dental products (Bentley 1999; Levy 1999), mechanically deboned meat (Fein 2001), tea (Levy 1999), and pesticide residues (e.g., from cryolite) on food (Stannard 1991; Burgstahler 1997). It is now widely acknowledged that exposure to non-water sources of fluoride has significantly increased since the water fluoridation program first began (NRC 2006).
Fluoride is not an essential nutrient (National Research Council [NRC] 1993; Institute of Medicine [IOM] 1997, NRC 2006). No disease has ever been linked to a fluoride deficiency. It has never been shown that ingested fluoride is needed to produce decay-free teeth. Not a single biological process has been shown to require fluoride. On the contrary there is extensive evidence that fluoride can interfere with many important biological processes. Fluoride interferes with numerous enzymes (Waldbott 1978). In combination with aluminum, fluoride interferes with G-proteins (Bigay 1985, 1987). Such interactions give aluminum-fluoride complexes the potential to interfere with signals from growth factors, hormones and neurotransmitters (Strunecka & Patocka 1999; Li 2003). More and more studies are indicating that fluoride can interfere with biochemistry in fundamental ways (Barbier 2010). http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm
Ways to remove fluoride from water
Activated Alumina Defluoridation Filter
These filters are used in locales where fluorosis is prevalent. They are relatively expensive (lowest price I saw was $30/filter) and require frequent replacement, but do offer an option for home water filtration.
Distillation Filtration
There are commercially available distillation filters that can be purchased to remove fluoride from water. On a related note: When looking at bottled water, keep in mind that 'distilled water' does not imply that a product is suitable for drinking water and other undesirable impurities may be present. http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryhowtoguide/a/removefluoride.htm
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ghostrider
23rd February 2012, 05:49
this thread has a jewel in it. we change what we don't like, nobody does it for us, we do it , on our time, in our way.. enough is enough right now. I changed my thinking this morning and I had the best day today, it felt like christmas morning all day.. hooyaaa.... where the mind goes , the body follows, lets change the world , starting with our own thinking.. right now. you live in the words you speak. say to yourself today will be a great day and see what happens.
Calz
23rd February 2012, 06:22
Love the particpation and great sources of information on how best to tackle the "beast".
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The EPA announced that it has completed the first part of its study on dioxin, after more than 25 years of stonewalling.
Dioxin is the most caustic man-made chemical known. Dioxin is a general term for hundreds of chemicals that are produced in industrial processes that use chlorine and burning. Disturbingly, it has a half-life of 100+ years when it is leached into soil or embedded in water systems. Dioxin was the most harmful component in Agent Orange (the recipe for Agent Orange is 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T herbicides).
The EPA says that air emissions of dioxin have decreased by 90% since the 1980′s, but dioxin is dangerous at any level. The study appears to omit any analysis of dioxin transmission in water and land. The danger is growing because Dow AgroScience has received preliminary USDA approval for its 2,4-D herbicide resistant GMO corn. This means that dioxin contaminated 2,4-D herbicide will drench US farm land and pollute water supplies if the crops are widely planted.
EPA Dioxin Assessment Report
The EPA’s press release on dioxin’s health effects trumpeted the lie that current exposure rates “don’t pose significant health risks”. But the EPA does admit that there is a cancer risk, although they are not releasing their study on cancer at this time. Perhaps the delay is due to the fact that 95% of Americans have measurable levels of dioxin in their bodies.
The EPA’s claim that current levels are not a health risk is contradicted by another webpage on the EPA’s own site says that dioxin accumulates over a lifetime, persists for years, is likely to lead to an increased risk of cancer, and that the current exposure levels are “uncomfortably” close to levels that can cause “subtle” non-cancer effects. These so-called subtle effects may include birth defects, reproductive problems and immunosuppression.
There were 500,000 victims of birth defects in Viet Nam that can hardly be considered subtle. Dioxin is bad at any level especially since it accumulates in the body.
Humans are exposed to dioxin primarily through food sources. The EPA’s press release fails to mention that people who eat animal based foods like meat, dairy and eggs will continually increase their dioxin levels.
If dioxin is so safe, why does the Veterans Administration make automatic payments for a wide range of claims that include several types of cancers and leukemia, liver disease, heart disease, Parkinson’s disease and diabetes? American taxpayers are footing the bill for veterans’ Agent Orange dioxin injuries that are estimated to cost $42 billion over the next 10 years! Monsanto and Dow, the top 2 Agent Orange producers, should pay for all damages — not taxpayers.
While the EPA’s press release does acknowledge “certain industrial activities” as a cause of dioxin pollution, they omit any reference to chemical herbicides and pesticides. The EPA doesn’t mention that herbicide 2,4-D (half of the Agent Orange recipe) is the seventh largest source of dioxin in the US. Dow Chemical is the biggest 2,4-D manufacturer, and Dow is also listed as the #2 and #3 biggest industrial dioxin dumper in the US. Herbicide 2,4-D is polluting groundwater.
Shocking EPA Omission
The most disturbing omission by the EPA is its complete lack of oversight of a specific type of dioxin, 2,7-DCDD, that is one of the most potent kinds of dioxin. It is reported that DCDD is an inevitable by-product of 2,4-D herbicide manufacturing. The EPA doesn’t even regulate or monitor DCDD!
Therefore, the EPA’s report is incomplete and the true levels of dioxin are unknown.
Agent Orange GMOs
The sun is setting on Monsanto’s empire as their glyphosate herbicide is losing its effectiveness due to super weeds that have developed a tolerance to their glyphosate poison. Dow is slated to produce the next generation of GMOs which will include 2,4-D resistant corn, soy and cotton.
Farmers who don’t want to take the trouble to use targeted weed control and hand picking weeds prefer GMO products because they can just spray their crops with huge doses of herbicide and forget about them until harvest. From 1996 to 2008, GMO crops were responsible for 383 million pounds of herbicides sprayed on farmland in the US. These are the same genetically modified foods sold on grocery store shelves worldwide.
Therefore, we can expect a dramatic increase in dioxin production and pollution because Dow’s 2,4-D herbicide resistant crops will be saturated with the tainted herbicide.
Dow AgroScience & Monsanto
Dow AgroScience and Monsanto have struck up a partnership to produce stacked trait crops that will be resistant to Dow’s 2,4-D and Monsanto’s glyphosate poisons. It appears that Dow and Monsanto may be creating a cartel arrangement by joining forces to eliminate competition.
Monsanto and Dow have been able to skate away from accountability for damage caused by their products because diseases like cancer can take years to incubate. Victims are required to prove their injuries were directly caused by exposure to a carcinogen years after the exposure. This is nearly impossible to do. Monsanto and Dow should be made to prove their products are safe. Federal agency (EPA, FDA, USDA, etc) regulations are profoundly ineffective.
Remediation Clean Up
The EPA’s assessment will hopefully lead to remediation (clean up) of the environment in areas with high dioxin levels. The costs could be staggering because the proper process for soil remediation is to block tainted soil with concrete barriers to prevent water runoff into steams and then incinerating the soil. Water remediation is even more difficult.
Dow Chemical appears to be worried about this because they just agreed to buy dioxin contaminated homes near their Michigan dioxin-emitting plant.
If Monsanto were forced to clean up their pollution, they would go bankrupt.
Conclusion
The EPA omitted critical information in its assessment, and current dioxin levels are a significant health risk. Dioxin levels will increase when Dow’s Agent Orange 2,4-D resistant crops are planted.
The EPA’s lack of interest in dioxin DCDD is disgusting. Dioxin DCDD that contaminates 2,4-D herbicide is not tested, measured or monitored by the EPA, or even regulated. A Canadian research paper states that dioxin DCDD may have large public health implications due to its prevalence in our food and environment.
Read more: http://naturalsociety.com/millions-of-pounds-of-toxic-dioxin-to-flood-us-farmland/#ixzz1nBPjfbZ1
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White House blocking release of Monsanto-linked lobbyist’s email
By Madison Ruppert
The Obama administration is now blocking a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by an environmental group, Public Employees for Environment Responsibility (PEER), which is attempting to uncover Obama’s connections to Monsanto-linked lobbyists.
Keep in mind, Monsanto’s products have been linked to some horrific effects on biological systems like the human body, not the least of which is creating necrosis and significant mutations in critical cell types.
Also quite noteworthy is the fact that Monsanto was actually recently found guilty of chemical poisoning in the case of a French farmer.
The group suspects the Obama White House of working with these lobbyists to defend genetically engineered (GE) crops and the attempts to get these GE crops planted in wildlife refuges across the United States.
More at EndtheLie.com - http://EndtheLie.com/2012/02/21/white-house-blocking-release-of-monsanto-linked-lobbyists-email/#ixzz1nBSWOwwl
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Pasteurized milk 150 times more contaminated with blood, pus and feces than fresh milk
Mike Adams
NaturalNews
February 22, 2012
The vaccine-pushing, disease scare-mongering agency known as the CDC has put out a stunning piece of propaganda attacking fresh milk (raw dairy), claiming it is “150 times more dangerous” than pasteurized milk. This is all part of their anti-American agenda to crush food freedom and criminalize fundamental farming practices upon which this very nation was founded. (Yes, George Washington and the founding fathers drank raw milk, grew hemp and even smoked a little weed as medicine.)
But what the CDC won’t dare reveal to the public is the far more horrifying truth: Pasteurized dairy is produced in the dirtiest milk factories imaginable, where blood, pus, e.coli and other truly dangerous pathogens are routinely bottled into milk containers and fed to consumers.
That’s the whole point of pasteurization, you see: To kill everything that might be alive in their ultra-dirty milk. The real purpose of pasteurization is not to simply “make milk safe” as is claimed by the CDC, but rather to allow the dairy industry to operate DIRTY. It’s so much easier to just cook the crap out of the milk (yes, there’s fecal matter in it) than to clean up their operations, get it?
Thanks to pasteurization, conventional (non-organic, non-raw) dairy operators have no need to thoroughly wash their milking machines, no need to sterilize any milk containers, no need to wash their hands, and no need to maintain a clean milking environment whatsoever. It’s just total filth with festering diseased animals dying on the floor and being physically abused by the corporate dairy operators (see video links, below).
Dairy cows are routinely abused and left to suffer in total filth
Want to know how conventional (pasteurized) dairy cows are really treated? Here’s something the CDC won’t show you.
Watch this highly disturbing video of dairy cows being kicked, tortured, abused and injured by conventional dairy workers. This was filmed with an undercover spy cam (WARNING: DISTURBING IMAGERY):
(calz note - won't even put the youtubes here ... if you have the stomach to watch go to site)
http://www.naturalnews.com/035039_raw_milk_pasteurized_CDC.html
Nathalie
23rd February 2012, 09:04
One thing for sure, as I'm reading the posts and someone mentioned it somewhere above, is that if we want a new world, a new paradigm, we NEED to make the community a priority. If it's no good for the community, then it's no good for me. Your friends and family and yourself CANNOT come first. Whatever decision is made has to be for the good of the group and that's all there is to it. You can't get rich at the expense of others. You can't have a glass of water if that's all that there is left. Everybody can have a sip. A bigger sip for kids and the elderly. We are one and the same separated into individuals, let's not forget that. Call me an ant or a communist, this is not negociable!
Curt
23rd February 2012, 09:35
Great thread. I've learned a lot here. Maybe most importantly something has clicked for me, i.e., that NOT supporting something, i.e., not buying poison foods, etc. is an OFFENSIVE action and not just playing defense. Thanks, Modwiz.
That's a major point that I've missed until now.
Also, I don't know, maybe the alignment of the planets is allowing new information to penetrate my thick skull, but I'm coming to understand the power and importance of individual choice--and also the purpose of it.
We can help each other, but we can't decide for each other. We shouldn't even really want to. They'd learn nothing. We'd learn nothing. No responsibility would be taken.
I get it now. Perhaps a basic lesson, but one I'm not ashamed to admit is only now dawning on me.
Cool. Cool.
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Calz
23rd February 2012, 09:40
Great thread. I've learned a lot here. Maybe most importantly something has clicked for me, i.e., that NOT supporting something, i.e., not buying poison foods, etc. is an OFFENSIVE action and not just playing defense. Thanks, Modwiz.
That's a major point that I've missed until now.
Also, I don't know, maybe the alignment of the planets is allowing new information to penetrate my thick skull, but I'm coming to understand the power and importance of individual choice--and also the purpose of it.
We can help each other, but we can't decide for each other. We shouldn't even really want to. They'd learn nothing. We'd learn nothing. No responsibility would be taken.
I get it now. Perhaps a basic lesson, but one I'm not ashamed to admit is only now dawning on me.
Cool. Cool.
What the forum is meant to be at it's very best my friend.
Take what resonates and spread the word to family, friends and beyond while always being respectful of the fact they may not yet have ears to hear.
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