View Full Version : Gulf Oil Aftermath. What now?

21st July 2010, 02:16
So for now the cap holds. This doesn't mean its over. Although we can be sure the MSM will be dropping the issue in favour of lady gaga's latest exploits or something along those lines but the disaster in the entire region isn't going away, it's getting worse. There are reports showing up on youtube and other web based media outlets that are showing that things are indeed getting much worse and in some cases nothing is being done.

Let this thread be the focal point for the people of the Gulf region. The stories, all gathered and posted here will help raise awareness and hopefully light a fire under the right persons butt and get the militatry in there to start saving lives.


21st July 2010, 08:26
i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but plants atm is not my priority....

This video has been posted again in this forum but a repeat might be good

Breaking News Water Test Beaker Explodes From Gulf (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/50297/Breaking_News_Water_Test_Beaker_Explodes_from_Gulf/)

Look how many ppl are at the beaches... the kids omg ... i keep seeing this and is heart breaking. The kids...

You know guys this is weird... i mean Even if the cap is capped as bp says wouldnt you wait a few weeks ... a few days at least before going for a bath? i mean its weird.

21st July 2010, 09:58
As time progresses we're surely going to see a variety of side effects and fall-out from the enormous amount of a variety of toxins that have been unleashed on to the environment. Videos and reports are starting to appear from people all over the Mid-West and Eastern half of the US reporting side effects on plants apparently due to toxic rain. In addition, Dr Riki Ott has been reporting health related problems BP has been suppressing from the media. I recently read a story about four unexplained, unrelated drownings in beach's where toxins from the water may have played a part in causing respiratory failure while the victims were swimming. As time passes we're going to see more and more of these videos and reports surfacing, here are a bunch of videos related to the effects of toxic rain on trees, plants and fish, as well as the health related problems that are beginning to appear.

Dr Riki Ott on Keith Oberman, on health problems showing up in Gulf coast residents and the suppression of evidence by BP


Deadly fish kill in North Dakota, an entire reservoir of fish dies after downpour


Article on fish ND kill:

Extensive tree and plant damage in Ft Worth, TX


Here's Rachel Maddow talking to Dr Ott about the toxic effects of the dispersants and the oil on public health, along with the importance of boosting your immune system, wearing respirators and getting warnings out to the public of what symptoms to watch for


Plant damage in Gulf Breeze, FL


Here's a lady in Ohio showing damage in her garden


And here's a guy as far northwest as Iowa...wow


Finally a report from Iowa where samples tested by horticulturist say they've never seen anything like this kind of damage and it looks like chemical or pesticide damage...


Sadly enough, that's probably the tip of the iceberg and more developments will arise as time passes. Then, when people start seeing everything around them dying, that will most certainly cause a paradigm shift for millions of Americans...

Love and Blessings to all!

21st July 2010, 11:06
This video has been posted again in this forum but a repeat might be good....Look how many ppl are at the beaches... the kids omg ... i keep seeing this and is heart breaking. The kids... a few days at least before going for a bath? i mean its weird.

I was horrified after viewing that video recently, watching the kids splashing around in toxic water. People just don't think, some of the plant videos have people touching the leaves and the grass, or people walking around barefooted in oily rain!

Not sure I want to know what made that beaker explode...that's alarming.

btw Etherios...what happens to plant life should be a great concern to everyone everywhere because these toxins don't discriminate. If the dispersant's stay in the water and don't disperse, toxins will continue to permeate the environment and will kill most everything including wheat, corn, soy beans, rice...crops that sustain life.

So my question has been is this not only an attempt at genocide Gulf coast residents through gassing, but also through starvation as a result of food shortages caused by massive crop failure at harvest time? Most of the moisture for the corn belt comes from the Gulf, and the rest comes from the West coast and the Pacific northwest from the West.

21st July 2010, 12:09
ascendingstarseed if we keep letting our children bath in that ... we wont have to wait for the plants to effect us.. we will be really bad already....

21st July 2010, 12:47
i am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but plants atm is not my priority....

This video has been posted again in this forum but a repeat might be good

Breaking News Water Test Beaker Explodes From Gulf (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/50297/Breaking_News_Water_Test_Beaker_Explodes_from_Gulf/)

Look how many ppl are at the beaches... the kids omg ... i keep seeing this and is heart breaking. The kids...

You know guys this is weird... i mean Even if the cap is capped as bp says wouldnt you wait a few weeks ... a few days at least before going for a bath? i mean its weird.

This is what I've been concerned about the whole time! So many people are all happy like "ding dong the witch is dead" but she is just hiding in another form. Appearances are not what they seem to be, we need to be prepared for what may come from "the poisoning of the Gulf". This is NOT fear, but it is facing the facts so we can intelligently deal with the problems that ARE a real and present danger.

24th July 2010, 21:22

sorry to break it to people but what proof is there of an aftermath, the oil is still leaking and its not over by a mile yet.. there is no aftermath.

also you have to be insane to go anywhere near the water in the gulf, i feel sorry for those people that are uniformed.

Humble Janitor
24th July 2010, 21:31
I have not seen any reports of toxic rain up here in my corner of the country (VT). I assume it is only a matter of time.

As for the cap, I am not sure WHO or WHAT to believe anymore.

25th July 2010, 05:49
Well HJ, real news is dead... which is why we can't believe the news anymore. People have no idea how much control BP has over the media, they have spent millions of dollars on advertising over the years so they can buy silence in the news.

Investigative reporting went out the window with all the reporters who have left mass media because the news has been monopolized by corporate entities as means of controlling the populace. Fox News is nothing but a propaganda machine for the ultra conservatives on the right, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS are conservative "light"...it's all a mechanism for controlling mass consciousness. Unless you worked in or around the media 20yrs ago, it's really difficult to understand what's happened and how bad it is. I graduated from college with a degree in broadcasting in the mid 80's, when some of my best friends were award winning AP "investigative" reporters. These guys were amazing in the stories they were breaking, because their News Directors let them. Then things started to change with Republican deregulation...companies who spent a lot of money in advertising would kill stories by threatening to pull ad dollars, then these corporations came in and started buying up all the stations in EVERY market thereby creating a monopoly on news organizations.

Dan Rather was fired for telling the truth, that was the shot that rang throughout the industry. The message to other journalists from these corporate masters/monsters was "Tell the truth about what's going on and you lose your job". We all want to believe that who we invite into our living rooms every night is telling us the truth, but that's simply not the case. There are no laws regulating the media that say you have to be able to back up your story with facts, reporters can basically say whatever they want without having to provide evidence that what they're saying is true or face any repercussion. Except in cases of defamation of character, but if you're the one defamed you better have a lot of money for attorneys because news stations have attorneys on retainer and will spend whatever it takes to beat these cases. But, the damage is already once the story airs the impressions have already been made.

Sorry about the rant...it gets frustrating watching people fall for BP's lies because they don't understand how news works, or doesn't work anymore. If Nixon were president today, he'd never get caught because we have become too desensitized to corruption and journalists would never even touch the story for fear of repercussions.

Here are a couple of videos I found from the UK and Germany showing possible plant damage, the guy from Germany in his follow-up video states that when he went back the tree he cut sample leaves from had been cut down. Apparently as a cover-up to the damage...if it's true wonder how much of that is going on in other areas too. Also a video from Kentucky where people are reportedly experiencing gastrointestinal problems after a heavy downpour.



Germany follow-up video


Here's a horticulturist in the UK


This guy in Kentucky is reporting that leaves began dying overnite on all the trees after a big rain. Apparently stomach problems appeared in people around town after the rain too.


25th July 2010, 17:37
Thanks for this thread, Richard!

Apologies if this info has been presented elsewhere on these threads, but, I'm a bit on information overload these days:confused:

Yes, it's the dispersants and the effects that will come from them that is the hidden concern now.
As well as more oil and possibly methane leaking too~ who really knows?

We have to be careful about not becoming so overloaded with info that we become numbed useless~ that is probably what the PTB are aiming for.

Here's two slants on the dispersant info:
DEMOCRACY NOW ~ EPA Whistleblower Accuses Agency of Covering Up Effects of Dispersant in BP Oil Spill Cleanup


And Alexander Higgins blog:


25th July 2010, 17:58
sorry to break it to people but what proof is there of an aftermath, the oil is still leaking and its not over by a mile yet.. there is no aftermath.

Could it be that they say it is capped just because they want to start drill a new well on the coast of Libya ? It would not look good if you start on a new
(deeper !) one while you did not solved the previous problems. After all they 'handled' the Lockerbie aftermath, so it's not unthinkable ...

6th August 2010, 18:17

BP says it might drill again in spill reservoir

NEW ORLEANS – BP PLC said Friday it might someday drill again into the same lucrative undersea pocket of oil that spilled millions of gallons of crude, wrecked livelihoods and fouled beaches along the Gulf of Mexico.

"There's lots of oil and gas here," Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles said at a news briefing. "We're going to have to think about what to do with that at some point."

The vast oil reservoir beneath the blown well is still believed to hold nearly $4 billion worth of crude. With the company and its partners facing tens of billions of dollars in liabilities, the incentive to exploit the wells and the reservoir could grow.

Retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the government's point man on the spill, said he had no information on BP's future plans.

"I would assume that's a policy issue related to the management of the lease," he told reporters. "Frankly, it hasn't been raised to my level at this point. I'm not sure I can comment on it."
Suttles has spent more than three months managing BP's response efforts on the Gulf but is now returning to his day job in Houston, the company said. Mike Utsler, a vice president who has been running BP's command post in Houma, La., since April, will replace him.

The personnel shift comes as BP appears to be gaining the upper hand on plugging the leak, triggered when an oil rig exploded off Louisiana on April 20, killing 11 workers and triggering the massive spill.

Engineers this week poured in cement to complete a plug at the top of the well bore as part of a process dubbed a "static kill," but they needed to wait at least a day for it to harden. Once it does, crews can finish the last stretch of a relief well intersecting the blown well just above the oil's source, injecting more mud and cement from the bottom to form a final plug.

Suttles confirmed Friday that crews for now plan to use the 18,000-foot relief well to seal off with mud and cement the underground reservoir feeding the blown well.

The company had been hedging on how exactly it would use the relief well, which it has been digging for three months, as federal officials insisted it should be used to perform the so-called "bottom kill."

If not used for the bottom kill, the relief wells could have conceivably offered a way for BP or another company to pump out oil and sell it, an idea unlikely to sit well with Gulf Coast residents and families of workers who died on the rig.

The Interior Department on Friday tamped down any hope that BP could still use the blown well.
"The well is almost dead," spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff said. "Under no circumstances are we going to allow them to reopen the well to extract oil and gas."

The static kill started Tuesday with engineers pumping enough mud down the top of the well to push the crude back to its underground source. Suttles said engineers plan to monitor the cement newly pumped in from the top and hope to test the plug with a burst of pressure Friday afternoon to make sure it's sealed.

"All the indications so far look very encouraging," he said.
A federal report this week indicated that only about a quarter of the spilled crude remains in the Gulf and is degrading quickly.

"There's essentially no skimmable oil left on the surface, no recoverable oil left on the surface," Suttles said.

Some scientists disputed the report's veracity, and much of the remaining crude has permeated deep into marshes and wetlands, complicating cleanup.

BP had 31,000 workers along the Gulf on Friday, down from 48,000 at the height of the response, Suttles said.

As BP brought in 33-year employee Utsler to take over the response and the blown well appeared to have flatlined, some Gulf residents who still see the oil wreaking havoc worried the nation's attention was shifting.

Utsler told them not to worry, saying the spill's effects are "a challenge that we continue to recognize with more than 20,000-plus people continuing to work."

Willie Davis, a 41-year-old harbormaster in Pass Christian, Miss., feared his area would be forgotten if BP pulls out too soon.

"I'm losing trust in the whole system," said Willie Davis, a 41-year-old harbormaster in Pass Christian, Miss. "If they don't get up off their behinds and do something now, it's gonna be years before we're back whole again."

7th August 2010, 04:32
I want to know what's going on with all of the air & water quality monitoring now that the well is capped? Even tho they can't see the oil we all know it's still there atomized by the Corexit 9500, you can't get me to believe that all these toxins just went away....evaporated, poof it's gone!

On the radio today there was an AP news report from from the Gulf talking about sea food restaurants and suppliers complaining about the drop in sales because people are scared to eat the fish, these people are saying "Buy Gulf seafood there's nothing to be scared of, GOM seafood is the cleanest fish in the world!"

Right...what about reports that toxins have already made their way into the food chain through the fish larvae? How safe can that be?

The entire story is fading from the news while lethal toxins still lurk in the waters and the air, surely there are still plumes, upon plumes of toxic oil and dispersant's under the surface no one is talking about or wants to publicly admit. Where are the NOAA scientists who should be telling us about the toxic effects on marine life?

The whole thing stinks and it just feels like we're being lied to again, stroked and pacified into silence with falsehoods. Everyone's acting like the wicked witch is dead, when she only morphed into invisible forms transparent to the senses. Wonder how many children will play in toxic sand along the coastline? Or all the beach's that weren't even cleaned, they just bulldozed more sand over the oil and tar balls that washed in?

7th August 2010, 10:29
see threads undernaeth pertaining to two wells . this isnt over by a long shot. a well has been capped but what well and where? details in threads below.

8th August 2010, 15:59
It's hard to know what information to post on which Gulf Update thread these days - but here goes :)

Spike Lee to journalists:
“You need to ask questions and not accept the lies being told” by BP and government
August 8th, 2010

The Associated Press reports “Spike Lee is calling a ‘lie’ a U.S. government report that 75 percent of the spilled Gulf Coast oil is gone.”

According to the AP, “Lee said journalists should expose what he called the real story. He argued that it’s unlikely that ‘abracadabra, presto chango’ the vast majority of the oil has vanished from Gulf of Mexico waters and coastal wetlands.”

A report on deadline.com reveals one hour of Spike Lee’s Katrina movie to be dedicated to BP’s Gulf oil disaster.

Lee said, “It’s really eye-opening the power that BP has. There’s no way it should be dictating what’s going on. But it shows the power of the company.”

Lee added, “I don’t care how many scientists BP buys, that oil is still there. [BP] has been lying from the get-go. You’re telling me we’ve had the biggest oil disaster in the world and it’s all gone now? Where did it go? No damage done to the wetlands? I don’t believe it. As journalists, you need to ask questions and not accept the lies being told.”

9th August 2010, 08:48
PSJ Officials Reopen Boat Ramp amidst Fish Kill
By Melissa Dean

Port St. Joe city officials voted this morning to reopen the Frank Pate Park boat ramp, after closing it Thursday afternoon following an unexplained fish kill in St. Joseph’s Bay.

City officials called the emergency meeting at the park to address concerns about rumors of large oil sheens sighted off St Joseph's Bay, and whether there was any correlation with a fish kill in the same vicinity.

Officials closed the boat ramp at Frank Pate Park for public use Thursday morning after dead fish and crabs began washing up along the shoreline by the hundreds. In addition, anonymous reports started coming in of a brown sludgy material sighted six miles offshore.

The Coast Guard, along with representatives from the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC), Vessels of Opportunity program and Gulf County, were dispatched to the location of the sheen sighting and each reported no evidence to support a connection with the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

Each department independently reported that the material was large amounts of sargassum weed, a type of algae, usually brown or dark green, which may have a rough sticky texture.

"To date, we have not seen any sheens related to the Deepwater Horizon spill," said Bryan Lowe, with the Florida Department of Emergency Management. "These instances are bad timing for sure."

According to Lowe, preliminary results are showing the fish kill may be due to low oxygen levels in the water, although results are not conclusive as to the cause.

The Florida Department of Environmental Protection, the county health department, FWC and BP representatives have each taken water and fish samples and should have results back as early as Saturday. It may take as long as Monday before results are conclusive as to why the fish are washing up along the shoreline.

Officials believe that initial signs are not pointing to red tide as the cause of the fish kill. They say it may be a combination of low oxygen levels in the water along with an unusual rise in water temperature levels. "It could be the perfect storm," said Mel Magidson, mayor of Port St. Joe.

Several residents who said they had long fished the water questioned whether the fish kill may be related to dispersants in the water. Magidson insisted that there have been no dispersants used around the bay. Officials said the upcoming fish and water testing may be unable to determine if dispersants were related to the fish kill.

With opposition from the mayor, city commissioners voted to immediately reopen the boat ramp to the public 4-1.


9th August 2010, 14:29
OK, Mat Simmons right or wrong - are we still looking at multiple wells and sleight of hand by the PTW?
I found this online - what do we think about this?
Food for thought certainly.

See videos and read entire article here:

Breaking Gulf news: Land Surveyor proves Simmons right. TV well sham.
August 6

Ammunition fired from the petrochemical-military industrial complex (PMIC) Disinformation non-lethal weapon aimed at the American public and the world has been blocked at least momentarily by one man, a former land surveyor demonstrating Matt Simmons has been correct about the TV Gulf reporting sham and two wells. The surveyor presents the most damning evidence that the operation has been planned and orchestrated with expertise, as AC Griffith publicly stated this week.

The well that the reader sees on TV reports about the oil capping and other scenes are illusions. What the reader hears most talking heads say about the catastrophe is pacification and distraction. The surveyor calls it a "dog and pony show."

As Professor Jeffery Grupp states in his book, Telescreen:
The Orwellian telescreen replaces the self, the family, nature, reality, and the mind with its non-stop absurdist patter of banality, violence, and vulgarity. The Telescreen is the pervasive media screen put in front of, and injected into, the eyes and ears of humans in the American electronic techno-culture. This begins from birth, and moulds consciousness throughout life: not a genuine human consciousness, but rather is a less-than-human, despiritualized semi-consciousness."

In a series of four short videos (below), the unidentified land surveyor presents official BP public documents that he downloaded, compared to "live coverage" revealing the TV illusion. He explains in layman's terms what has transpired using BP surveyor maps and documents.

According to the public documents, not only are there the two wells Matt Simmons has insisted exist. The documents also reveal that the plan since the beginning of the operation has been to abandon both wells.
Simmons stated in July, "There is no way BP would not know they were misleading everyone," and, "They would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind and they're not. These are smart guys."

Mainstream corporate "news" reporters either did not uncover what a concerned citizen land surveyor did from public records, or, as such reporters failed to do during the 911 crimes and Hurricane Katrina, the PMIC sponsors did not allow these facts to be aired just as they blocked reporters.

Instead, corporate "news" media provided their world audience with another dog and pony show including just enough truth to not be totally absurd to the causal viewer.

Also of interest is that with his expertise, Simmons believes that for people to survive, they needed to be evacuated. He predicts a heavy' resident death toll.
"We're going to have to evacuate the Gulf states," stated world expert Matt Simmons, founder of the oil investment firm, Simmons and Co. reported Washington Post. "Can you imagine evacuating 20 million people?"

After viewing the following short, fascinating videos by 56KCanadian, it is sobering to contemplate Simmons' most quoted statement, to discredit him by name-calling him Mr. Doom, "This story is 80 times worse than I thought."

9th August 2010, 16:28
Matthew Simmons just died


CNBC notes the apparent cause of death of the recently popular BP skeptic, and founder of oil company Simmons & Co., was a heart attack. A conflicting report according to WLBZ cites the source of death as drowning.

NORTH HAVEN, Maine (NEWS CENTER) - The Knox County Sheriff's Department says Matthew Simmons, the founder of the Ocean Energy Institute, drowned at his house on North Haven late Sunday night.

Simmons was a leading investment banker for the energy industry and had recently retired to work full time on the new Ocean Energy Institute.

He was a leading proponent of offshore wind power and had started raising money to develop and build offshore turbines.

He and his family had also bought and rebuilt the Old Strand Theater in downtown Rockland.

Also from CNBC:

9th August 2010, 23:57
Hi members of this Tread and visitors,

Here is a reporter telling that scientists have spotted "the Breaking of the Loop Current in the Gulf Stream" that means the "coming of ice age",that is what he is saying. Interesting, I wonder what part of the globe will be concern if this (ice age) start happening.


All my blessings.


10th August 2010, 02:46
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10th August 2010, 03:38
Matthew Simmons just died

CNBC notes the apparent cause of death of the recently popular BP skeptic, and founder of oil company Simmons & Co., was a heart attack. A conflicting report according to WLBZ cites the source of death as drowning.

Also from CNBC:

You have got to be kidding!? If he's dead that means he was surely on to something...people who have been closely following his investigation need to pick up the ball and keep running with, and if enough people do so the truth will prevail. If Matt's work is not followed up by credible individuals then BP or Bilderberg Petroleum wins.

No way was this an accident...I'll never believe it

10th August 2010, 16:29

Here is a point of view of Susan Shaw, ocean toxicologist, on the chemical Corexit, spread in the Gulf of Mexico.


All my blessings.


13th August 2010, 07:33
Gulf Health Problems Blamed on Dispersed Oil

by Dahr Jamail
August 12th, 2010 | Inter Press Service

DAUPHIN ISLAND, Alabama - BP says it is no longer using toxic dispersants to break up the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Gulf Coast residents claim otherwise, and say they have the sicknesses to prove it.

On Aug. 5, Donny Mastler, a commercial fisherman who also works on boats, was at the Dauphin Island Marina.

“I was with my friend Albert, and we were both slammed with exposure,” Mastler, told IPS, referring to toxic chemicals he inhaled that he believes are associated with BP’s Corexit dispersants. “We both saw the clumps of white bubbles on the surface that we know come from the dispersed oil.”

Both of their eyes were watering and their throats were burning, so Albert went to sit in his air-conditioned truck, while Mastler headed home.

“I started to vomit brown, and my pee was brown also,” Mastler said. “I kept that up all day. Then I had a night of sweating and non-stop diarrhea unlike anything I’ve ever experienced.”


13th August 2010, 14:33
Many people thought Matthew Simmons was off his head when he spoke of BP and more than one oil leak. He continued to to stand by his words, even after the capping. He was adament in his stand, he never backed down. Now he's dead. Was he assassinated? I certainly don't have the "proof" but all of my senses tell me ~yes~, absolutely, Matt Simmons was assassinated. And until someone can prove otherwise, that is my stand on this issue.

Yes, I am upset. This was a man in the loop. Yes, I am ranting. This was a man who was standing up. Well, he isn't any more and he never will again.

14th August 2010, 05:02
New info on this - http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5798&start=405&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=bc3e06e47d28d15e2eb542ae57624437

* - http://fintandunne.com/images/BP/bklim1.jpg

14th August 2010, 14:43
Alabama files suit against BP, Transocean

By the CNN Wire Staff
August 14, 2010 -- Updated 0043 GMT (0843 HKT)

CNN) -- The state of Alabama has filed suit against BP, Transocean and others in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, according to Alabama Attorney General Troy King.

In a statement announcing the lawsuit filed Thursday, King said, "Some will, no doubt, sound the alarm that the lawsuit is premature. As Alabama's lawyer, I say that if, anything, based on BP's broken promises, their history of saying one thing and doing another, and now, new information that they have been secretly working to gain a legal advantage, further delay can only further damage our people."

King said thousands of Gulf Coast residents are waiting while their claims languish in the legal system.

BP told CNN Friday it doesn't comment on litigation and possible litigation. A spokesman said he had seen a statement about the suit, but there weren't many details in it, and BP wouldn't comment anyway.

Attorney General King pointed out BP is spending millions on public relations and advertising, and is hiring "all the best expert witnesses, not because they need their services, but so the experts will be unable to testify against BP." King says BP is selling off assets -- perhaps, to prevent courts from being able to use the assets to satisfy a judgment. King also alleges BP is preparing a report to argue it was not grossly negligent, which would limit its liability.

"Obviously, BP's ads are working. They have persuaded some newspapers and politicians to call for more delays. Shame on BP for running them, and shame on us if we believe them," King said.

He added the lawsuit can always be settled if BP should suddenly "do right" by Alabama and its citizens.

"BP is now on notice. Alabama intends to hold you good to your word and to make you put our state back the way you found it," King said.


15th August 2010, 00:11
Thank goodness it's over, we are all safe now and we can thank our fearless leader for the great job he has done. Follow the leader to the beach! or is he the Pied Piper?


PANAMA CITY BEACH, Fla. — President Barack Obama declared Gulf Coast beaches clean, safe and open for business as he brought his family to the Florida Panhandle and promised residents that the government wouldn't forget them once efforts to stop the leak are finished. ... Cont'

15th August 2010, 01:53
Thank goodness it's over, we are all safe now and we can thank our fearless leader for the great job he has done. Follow the leader to the beach! or is he the Pied Piper?

Kinda reminds me of the movie JAWS, where the mayor puts on a big public and media event declaring his swimming beaches safe and Sheriff Brody will have none of it! LOL!

15th August 2010, 02:21
Kinda reminds me of the movie JAWS, where the mayor puts on a big public and media event declaring his swimming beaches safe and Sheriff Brody will have none of it! LOL!

LOL Now that is funny! It's all a script.

15th August 2010, 07:35
Wonder how hard they scrubbed in the shower after that little dip in the GOM?

Americans love their propaganda, they eat it up!

15th August 2010, 12:16
Fish Kills are washing up all along the East Coast up to Massachusetts...

Dead Fish Washing Up Everywhere from BP Oil Spill and Dispersants

by Washington's Blog

Global Research, August 14, 2010

Dead fish are washing up everywhere.
For example, numerous dead fish washed ashore in Massachusetts a couple of days ago:

Follow link to article with videos...

15th August 2010, 23:18
heads up, http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1413539616436&ref=mf
Congressman Pete Olson at a town hall meeting. "they can't find it".

I suppose that is true if you do not look...

26th August 2010, 08:27
Hi all,

Not sure if this is the best sub-forum for this, but came across this article on redicecreations
New microbe discovered eating Gulf oil spill

A newly discovered type of oil-eating microbe suddenly is flourishing in the Gulf of Mexico.

Scientists discovered the new microbe while studying the underwater dispersion of millions of gallons of oil spilled into the Gulf since the explosion of BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig.

so, nature finds a way? i'm sure recovery will still be long and slow, given the amount of corexit and other nasty stuff that is being used, let alone the sheer quantity of oil itself.
Its nice to hear that someone might actually be doing something serious to it clean up a bit, mother earth...

27th August 2010, 06:46
this came up today, a well connected researcher has brought up a question as they ran into a snag in this whole story.

"Can anyone PROVE to me that they are spraying Corexit 9500 in the GULF??? Can you PROVE to me at it is 435 ppm (highly toxic) poison. ?"

I was told today that they had No actual proof to date.
Anyone have anything on this?

6th September 2010, 12:28
this came up today, a well connected researcher has brought up a question as they ran into a snag in this whole story.

"Can anyone PROVE to me that they are spraying Corexit 9500 in the GULF??? Can you PROVE to me at it is 435 ppm (highly toxic) poison. ?"

I was told today that they had No actual proof to date.
Anyone have anything on this?

Dahr Jamail has covered this issue extensively and has talked to countless fishermen and Gulf residents who hear the planes flying at night and see evidence of Corexit the next morning in the waters and on the shoreline. Tar balls are still washing up and there's just as much oil now, if not more than ever coming in onshore.

Anyone who says they're not spraying, or asks to "prove it" is an antagonist spreading disinfo

Here's just one article, there are numerous articles on this subject on his website you can check out. Dahr can safely be called one of the leading experts in this disaster and has continued to investigate after most everyone else has moved on, in addition he's an outstanding journalist.
There's a massive, ugly cover-up being masterfully performed by BP, the Coast Guard and the federal government...regardless, we all need to stay positive and send Light, love and healing energy to all life in the Gulf.

"Uncovering the Lies"

6th September 2010, 12:46
I was told today that they had No actual proof to date.
Anyone have anything on this?

THREE different doctors find PAHs, heavy metals, arsenic in BLOOD of Gulf Coast residents, some are “REALLY INLAND”

Rush Transcript Excerpts (at 31:45 in)

They are actually finding the toxins that are in the oil in the blood of the people who live down there.

Its horrifying because they’re cumulative and they’re heavy metals and toxins…

We used three different doctors, and the exact same thing that is being found in the water and the air and the soil is now in the blood.

This is the kind of stuff that causes cancer and death.

This is not just in the workers that we’ve had tested, but also in residents…

The worst part about that is we haven’t even gotten to the Corexit testing yet.

This is just the oil, the polyaromatic hydrocarbons, the heavy metals, the arsenic.

And they’re not just people who are right on the beach, some people are really inland.



6th September 2010, 13:18
now they just have to discover a corexit eating microbe that can follow the corexit wherever it has gone

6th September 2010, 17:52
this came up today, a well connected researcher has brought up a question as they ran into a snag in this whole story.

"Can anyone PROVE to me that they are spraying Corexit 9500 in the GULF??? Can you PROVE to me at it is 435 ppm (highly toxic) poison. ?"

I was told today that they had No actual proof to date.
Anyone have anything on this?

Probably not the defining answer you're looking for, but it looks like a pretty good clue.


9th September 2010, 09:51
Hi All -- i found this thru Kerry's blog [Project Camelot] -- it's a far out line of thought, but my own intuition was/is that the BP oil spill was planned -- there are so many other oil spills happening or that have happened w/o all the media coverage , which leads me to give some credence to this video saying that the BP oil spill was a blood sacrifice -- the NWO seems to like to make their big sacrifices visible, as w /9-11

youtube --BP Triple Threat


10th September 2010, 01:55
thanks guys, all relevant. I think the proof is in the sand and on the ocean floor.
It might be a matter of organization to prove it,
~and it may be a mute point at this point in time, with due respect to the newest developments,

1 - a new leak reported /with explosions
2 - reports that the plug is still leaky, or is it the entire sea floor in that region?
3 - what do you get when you sink all TONS of toxins+oil from a OIL GEYSER onto the sea floor?
4 - The KC blog post of the video mentioned about "triple threat", I did see that today.
5 - EARTH CHANGES, odd things are being reported All the way from Canada down to the gulf of Mexico which is riddled with sink holes and there have been reports some with video an/or photos of new holes.
6 - Let us not forget the >>>Anglo Saxon Mission<<<
7 - the possibility of >submarines blowing up oil rigs and the escalation of these sort of attacks and that implication.
8 - Distraction - Taking this seriously... are we truly?
>>>if we are not preparing to be sustainable and/or mobile, we are not truly paying attention. Or being complacent

Snowy Owl
25th September 2010, 19:30
I understand that for US citizens the impacts of the BP off shore exploitation and tragedy concern them most. But Europe is indeed concern too. I am sorry but I do not have the time right now to read everything you have written on the subject, please be indulgent.


Gianluigi Zangari

Frascati National Laboratories (LNF)
National Institute of Nuclear Physics (INFN)
Frascati 00044, Via E. Fermi, 40, ITALY

Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research

Abstract: BP Oil Spill may cause an irreparable damage to the Gulf Stream global climate thermoregulation activity.

The Gulf Stream importance in the global climate thermoregulation processes
is well assessed. The latest real time satellite (Jason, Topex/Poseidon, GeosatFollow-On, ERS-2, Envisat) data maps of May-June 2010 processed by CCAR1,2

(Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research), checked at Frascati

Laboratories by the means of the SHT congruent calculus3 and compared with past years data, show for the first time a direct evidence of the rapid breaking of the Loop Current, a warm ocean current, crucial part of the Gulf Stream.
As displayed both by the sea surface velocity maps and the sea surface height maps, the Loop Current broke down for the first time around May 18th and generated a clock wise eddy, which is still active (see Fig. 1).

Figure 1| Real time satellites data maps. Real time sea surface height maps (above) and as of today the situation has deteriorated up to the point in which the eddy has detached itself completely from the main stream therefore destroying completely the Loop Current, as in figure 2 below, dated June 12th 2010.

Figure 2| Real time satellites data maps updated. Real time sea surface height map (left) and sea surface velocity maps (right) updated on June 12th processed by CCAR1,2 and checked at LNF (Frascati) by SHT calculus3.

The star indicates the site of BP platform “Deepwater Horizon”. The yellow arrow indicates the breaking of the Loop Stream.

Since comparative analysis with past satellite data until may 2010 didn’t show
relevant anomalies, it might be therefore plausible to correlate the breaking of
the Loop Current with the biochemical and physical action of the BP Oil Spill on the Gulf Stream.

It is reasonable to foresee the threat that the breaking of a crucial warm
stream as the Loop Current may generate a chain reaction of unpredictable
critical phenomena and instabilities due to strong non linearities which may
have serious consequences on the dynamics of the Gulf Stream thermoregulation activity of the Global Climate.

PDF with images at http://www.associazionegeofisica.it/OilSpill.pdf


1. CCAR web page: http://argo.colorado.edu/~realtime/welcome/;
2. Leben, R. R., G. H. Born, B. R. Engebreth, 2002, Operational altimeter
data processing for mesoscale monitoring. Marine Geodesy, 25, 3-18;
3. G. Zangari patent SIAE-OLAF n. 9903198/1999

Acknowledgements: we acknowledge Frascati National Laboratories
(www.lnf.infn.it) and the National Institute of Nuclear Physics (www.infn.it).

We also aknowledge the University of Colorado, Boulder, USA: the maps
displayed in Fig. 1 and 2 were produced by the Colorado Center for
Astrodynamics Research at the University of Colorado, Boulder, USA.

More information on these data products is available at

I suggest you to reread

From Project Avalon

he Jet Stream


The earth's tilt, rotation and land/sea distribution affect the global weather patterns we observe.

While the weather varies from day-to-day at any particular location, over the years, the same type of weather will reoccur. The reoccurring "average weather" found in any particular place is called climate.

German climatologist and amateur botanist Wladimir Köppen (1846-1940) divided the world's climates into several major categories based upon general temperature profile related to latitude. These categories are as follows:
A - Tropical Climates
Tropical moist climates extend north and south from the equator to about 15° to 25° latitude. In these climates all months have average temperatures greater than 64°F (18°C) and annual precipitation greater than 59".
B - Dry Climates
The most obvious climatic feature of this climate is that potential evaporation and transpiration exceed precipitation. These climates extend from 20°-35° North and South of the equator and in large continental regions of the mid-latitudes often surrounded by mountains.
C - Moist Subtropical Mid-Latitude Climates
This climate generally has warm and humid summers with mild winters. Its extent is from 30°50° of latitude mainly on the eastern and western borders of most continents. During the winter, the main weather feature is the mid-latitude cyclone. Convective thunderstorms dominate summer months.
D - Moist Continental Mid-latitude Climates
Moist continental mid-latitude climates have warm to cool summers and cold winters. The location of these climates is poleward of the C climates. The average temperature of the warmest month is greater than 50°F (10°C), while the coldest month is less than -22°F (-30°C). Winters are severe with snowstorms, strong winds, and bitter cold from Continental Polar or Arctic air masses.
E - Polar Climates
Polar climates have year-round cold temperatures with the warmest month less than 50°F (10°C). Polar climates are found on the northern coastal areas of North America, Europe, Asia, and on the land masses of Greenland and Antarctica.
H - Highlands
Unique climates based on their elevation. Highland climates occur in mountainous terrain where rapid elevation changes cause rapid climatic changes over short distances.

The map (below) shows where these major categories occur in the mainland United States.

Take it to the MAX! Learn about further sub-divisions of these climate zones.

The classical length of record to determine the climate for any particular place is 30 years, as defined by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). The quantities most often observed are temperature, precipitation, and wind.

The "normals" are computed once every 10 years which helps to smooth out year-to-year variations. For example, the current 30-year normals were calculated from the actual weather data that occurred during the 30 years of 1971-2000. In 2011, a new set of 30-year normals will be calculated using the data from the period of 1981-2010. So, when you hear what the normal high and low temperature for your location, for example, they come from these 30-year averages.
Hope is like a road in the country;
there was never a road,
but when many people walk on it,
the road comes into existence.

"Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle." Unknown

The Jet Stream


The Jet Stream

Jet streams are relatively narrow bands of strong wind in the upper levels of the atmosphere.

The winds blows from west to east in jet streams but the flow often shifts to the north and south.

Jet streams follow the boundaries between hot and cold air. Since these hot and cold air boundaries are most pronounced in winter, jet streams are the strongest for both the northern and southern hemisphere winters.

Why does the jet stream winds blow from west to east? Recall from the previous section what the global wind patterns would be like if the earth was not rotating. (The warm air rising at the equator will move toward both poles.) We saw that the earth's rotation divided this circulation into three cells. The earth's rotation is responsible for the jet stream as well.

The motion of the air is not directly north and south but is affected by the momentum the air has as it moves away from the equator. The reason has to do with momentum and how fast a location on or above the Earth moves relative to the Earth's axis.

Your speed relative to the Earth's axis depends on your location. Someone standing on the equator is moving much faster than someone standing on a 45° latitude line. In the graphic (above right) the person at the position on the equator arrives at the yellow line sooner than the other two. Someone standing on a pole is not moving at all (except that he or she would be slowly spinning). The speed of the rotation is great enough to cause you to weigh one pound less at the equator than you would at the north or south pole.

The momentum the air has as it travels around the earth is conserved, which means as the air that's over the equator starts moving toward one of the poles, it keeps its eastward motion constant. The Earth below the air, however, moves slower as that air travels toward the poles. The result is that the air moves faster and faster in an easterly direction (relative to the Earth's surface below) the farther it moves from the equator.

In addition, with the three-cell circulations mentioned previously, the regions around 30° N/S and 50°-60° N/S are areas where temperature changes are the greatest. As the difference in temperature between the two locations increase, the strength of the wind increases. Therefore, the regions around 30° N/S and 50°-60° N/S are also regions where the wind, in the upper atmosphere, is the strongest.

The 50°-60° N/S region is where the polar jet located with the subtropical jet located around 30°N. Jet streams vary in height of four to eight miles and can reach speeds of more than 275 mph (239 kts / 442 kp/h).

The actual appearance of jet streams result from the complex interaction between many variables - such as the location of high and low pressure systems, warm and cold air, and seasonal changes. They meander around the globe, dipping and rising in altitude/latitude, splitting at times and forming eddies, and even disappearing altogether to appear somewhere else.

Jet streams also "follow the sun" in that as the sun's elevation increases each day in the spring, the jet streams shifts north moving into Canada by Summer.

As Autumn approaches and the sun's elevation decreases, the jet stream moves south into the United States helping to bring cooler air to the country.

Also, the jet stream is often indicated by a line on maps and by television meteorologist. The line generally points to the location of the strongest wind. Jet streams are typically wider and not as distinct but a region where the wind increase toward a core of strongest wind.

One way of visualizing this is consider a river. The river's current is generally the strongest in the center with decreasing strength as one approaches the river's bank. It can be said that jet streams are "rivers of air".

So with all these informations in english and of course most of the same informations in other language the preventive step in order to reduce morbidity and mortality for me was to write the following;

The importance of planning ahead for cold weather
Salutations to all,

I would like to share with you what I have learned from my family, from First Nations and from Technology on how to insulated yourself in winter.

I will talk about Boreal Hemisphere People but I presume a lot of the means can be apply to the Xouthern Hemisphere coutries.

We must first look at the NorthWind, this wind is the coldest one and the most sustained one in the winter.

As you know most of the house windows are directed towards the south because our ancesters where aware of this nasty North Wind.

The second coldest wind is the West Wind it often brings cold from the northwest.

So I will concentrated on this post to two walls of your house or appartment the North Wall and the West wall.

Usually our great grand parents used to grow trees about 25 feet from the house on the north side and the west side to sort of stop or deviate those Winds. Leave them there.

If you do not have trees don't worry there are many solutions as you will see.

WHen it Snow, do not fight Nature. Built snow banks about 10 feets from the two walls, you will notice that snow tends to accumulate there so follow the wind and bring this snow from the peripphery of your land of you two walls and bring it at about 10 feet from your house. Do that at the beginning, the Winds do not argue and will pilled up its Wind Snow on the lay out you will have done.

The fondation is important for those two walls put few bags of soil about 4 inches high along the the walls fondation, it will avoid more water to melt at the base of the fondation.

The Doors needs a strip of isolator, it is not expensive and stop the cold from getting in.

The windows,
You must first close your window tighly and start putting gell insulator but from the outside FIRST, then put some around each window inside.

Check for yourself with an incences stick if there is still wind coming trough.

Do not forget electrical plugs and interruptors with you incence stick should dhow you how much breeze comes from those.

Insulate them, depending of you country go to the hardware store and they will tell you ehat to use, never use piece of clothe or any flammable things, in a winter time it would start a house fire.

ALways make sure that your dryer is tightly fix (the hose that brings hot air outside) and always keep the door of the fryer and the door of that room close.

If you run on 110 volts by small heating fan of 600 watts and put them on the floor at the corner of your northern and western walls on the floor about 5 feets from the corner and avoid putting anything in front of it. NEVER LEAVE THIS WITHOUT ANY PRESENCE IN THE HOUSE, check once in the while if the fan wire is hot if so get it away, at 600 watts it is NOT supposed to heat therefore get it away.

I hope this will help, I will post more thing as time allows.

SNowy Owl from the 48th Parralel

Hat tip to Morning son of Project Avalon

Hat Tip to Tothe of the Project Avalon

The Breaking of the Loop Current in the Gulf Stream

Now we have 3 sources for GOM plug in maps for speed/currents, SSH & SST.
Lets see who is the most un-biased re. latest Marshall Masters update!

Update# 1 http://yowusa.com/earth/2010/earth-0810-05a/1.shtml

From the US Naval Research Laboratory
Snapshot & movies of GOM note: get a load of the July 13 loop current stall.

From The Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research

"plug-in" map

Index of all Ocean Conveyer articles of research from the Hole

Hat Tip to Tothe of Avalon Project

The Breaking of the Loop Current in the Gulf Stream

We could use this as a possible 4th. source for GOM & Gulf Stream data..

Naval Research Laboratory real-time experiment with the 1/25° Gulf of Mexico HYCOM The archives do go back to June.

Information about the consorium.

HYCOM website..called experiment here too. Archives go back to 2003.

Found more papers on the loop current.
Mega-flood triggered European ice age: At the end of this article I find JPL is going political trying to downplay the significance of a Gulf Stream slow down...in other words they don't know or are total jerks.
Part or text from link below.

"Scientists say they have found the trigger of a sharp cooling 13,000 years ago that plunged Europe into a mini ice age......
The finding has confirmed past theories about the likely cause of a sudden cooling period called the Younger Dryas when temperatures in Europe plunged into ice age conditions that lasted for about 1400 years."

Staying Warm a must read

26th September 2010, 00:29
Great post Snow! This is a good symposium of the latest info ongoing gulf disaster and it's impacts,
note ~
We shall see how the oil pressure effects storms this winter, starting in my view with Iceland and most of Europe. The convection is likely to bring oil saturation air and water to the currents near Iceland. Sometime after it shall move down to the UK and spread all the way to Gibraltar, and this zone could end being a main receptor for storms with oil/chemical combinations and perhaps electrically active in some form. the temperatures of the storms as the carry moisture over land masses I think is key to this, with the added chemicals a lot of variables are in play.

Snowy Owl
27th September 2010, 02:13

I am a Algonquin Ojibwa, Pontiac Nation at the 48th parallel upper Québec, I personnally saw the Canadian loony (lol) leaving south 3 and an half week ago.

Up-here Elderlies says that they have never witness the rivers so low, 3 weeks earlier than usual for harvest and Gooze 3 weeks ahead of time leaving south and BTW they fly as rushed by sum'pin.

Snowy Owl alias Achak

27th September 2010, 02:35
I mean no disrespect
This should NOT read "what now?" " What now" reads as a 'reactionary" move.
"NOW WHAT" should have a more, get involved and precautions to correct this crap verbage direction.
"Now what" sounds more like "what's our next move?".
I'm not a republican,democrat,or teabagger. I AM a firm believer in this website and the intent of those that started this, and those that follow this websites basic principles.
I want to get more involved in grassroots efforts without getting labeled.
This oil leak/explosion mismanegement disgusts me.
Never mind Nigeria..
Nevermind everything else that I have no control over.
Where do we step in?
I'm actually doing real stuff with my new company. But we all need to do more. I hate politics.
Change? It's inevitable. I'd like to work with you people to manifest the best change we can collectivly.. More then a "mindfreak".

Snowy Owl
27th September 2010, 04:14
Sorry English is not my first language, french is and for example we say the pencil blue not the nlue pencil.

Please let me add that you have written : Never mind Nigeria, that is not Humaniterian, would you go as far as to say never mind if Europe freeze this winter because of the UD spill ?

Dare to answer please.

Thank you


27th September 2010, 04:45
Don't know about you guys around the world but here in Brasil we never see anything on the oil spill anymore...no more ecological impact, nothing...so funny...

Anybody here from Florida or surroundings?

Snowy Owl
27th September 2010, 04:51
Lessons in Brazil's oil spill after a decade