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stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 14:38
I came across this video and it is so well done. It make some very valid questions and it will be very good if the devotees of GFL can enlighten us with some reasonable answers to this questions because it will assist many of us to ascertain whether the GFL is real or just the fiction of the imagination of attention seekers

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So please give us your answers

Omni connexae!
1st March 2012, 14:51
a group of people who believe in and channel spiritual galactic aliens/angels :wacko:

Either:

(1) Spiritual aliens exist

or

(2) Crazy people exist

Hmmmmm...

:bs:

Maybe one day someone'll channel some useful information.

ViralSpiral
1st March 2012, 14:53
So please give us your answers


“Need nothing and then see what happens."― Gangaji,

RMorgan
1st March 2012, 15:18
Hey mate,

Why the GFL offer no proof? Because you can´t prove lies. It´s that simple.

Cheers,

Raf.

Billy
1st March 2012, 15:37
This video Yet another martyr to the cause of someone who dilikes channeled messages but persists on reading them. :der:

Channeling is not a new age phenomena but has been occuring for thousands of years. most ancient scriptures were channeled by the sage and written down by scribes.

I do not believe all channeled messages come from source but some do. What i can gather from those messages is that it is NOT about proof or evidence but assisting to raise the consciousness of humanity by assisting them to use the power of intent and imagination as a creative energy that can co-create.

Therefore the evidence will be in what has been created by humanity by performing/acting on the intention that came from a channeled source.

For example: at this time channeled messages are comunicating that many arrests of the Cabal will be made soon, and they ask for humanity if they agree, to assist with their intentions with arresting the Cabal. The evidence with be when and if these arrests take place

We shall see.

stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 15:46
Regretfully you are not offering anything new. Most of what has been "channeled" in antiquity is what has put us in this dreadfull position. I don't want to mention particular religions but they all went to kill others that did not agree with them....by the hundreds of millions

So the morals of the story is: Channeling are product of the over active imagination of attention seekers looking for one upmanship

Fredenit
1st March 2012, 16:09
So please give us your answers


“Need nothing and then see what happens."― Gangaji,
Hello stardustaquarion.
For all we know you may be an Alien infiltrator trying to get an opinion of what the people of Earth think of them???

Billy
1st March 2012, 16:13
So the morals of the story is: Channeling are product of the over active imagination of attention seekers looking for one upmanship

I would recommend some research on the power of imagination.

Albert Einstein said it quite nicely.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

again

“Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”

YoungSoul
1st March 2012, 16:17
I will not trust or believe any message before there is solid evidence that they actually exist.

stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 16:23
Imagination or direct cognition IS NOT CHANNELING

We all have imagination and we all use it everyday...we do not go around saying to people that we are talking to Archangels or ascended masters

You know what gets me the most is that there are no archangels in the bible and there are no ascended masters others than the ones Guy Ballard invented and that includes St Germain. Guy Ballard's wife was indicted for fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22I_AM%22_Activity and Elizabeth Clare Profet also got herself in a pickle when she predicted nuclear holocaust and made her followers sell their homes so they will give her the money to build a bunker. At the end nothing happened other than the people got defrauded http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csjbookreview/csjbkrev122lambs.htm

There is where all this channeling "ascended masters" started. All the ones that came after are plagiarists that have not brought to humanity anything new or anything useful

Channeling is just believing and I grant that people can believe in Mickey Mouse if they want but it does not make it real. Indeed, I consider all these a waste of our valuable time that could be better utilized building a better world

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So please give us your answers


“Need nothing and then see what happens."― Gangaji,
Hello stardustaquarion.
For all we know you may be an Alien infiltrator trying to get an opinion of what the people of Earth think of them???

I am not and some people in this forum know me in the flesh

aranuk
1st March 2012, 16:29
Anyone impressed by that video in my mind is needing some stimulation by reading a few more chanelled messages.

Stan

stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 16:33
This is not about the quality of the video which I recognize could be better (I did not make it) but, about the fact that if the GFL can not offer concrete proof of its existance. THerefore it can only be assumed that they are a "fantasy" like Star Treck therefore is just bad quality sci fi

m1i1c2h3a5e8l
1st March 2012, 17:59
My first thought is, We are not alone, & that old saying "dont believe anything you hear. And only half of what you see" comes to mind. I dont want to pigeon hole myself into absorbing material that may or may not be credible only to find out its the wizard behind the curtain years from now. That said if we are being contacted by NDE's (non dimentional entities) I would want to know. So its kind of a catch 22 isnt it?

stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 18:10
It may appear so but if no interdimensional being will approach you without your spirit guides or totem animals being present. If a person does not have their totem animals with them no wise spirit will ever consider approaching you

But in any case this is about the GFL, and the Guardian Alliance too since we are at it

I do not say there is no life in the Universe, I am saying that 99,9 pct of channelers are liars seeking attention and wealth which is why there is no evidence

In my own personal life I have been given information relevant to what will shortly happen and suggestions about what to do. This morning for example I kind of felt guilty because I should be planting my tomatoes but I felt a lot of resistance. I got my pendulums and asked and both confirmed that I should not plant now

When I don't listen normally things go wrong. It has come to be so fine tunned that if for example I feel resistance to go to a shop when I want to buy something, you can bet it either will be closed or they will not have what I want. Is really funny

In the same tone we all have the ability to engage with the web of live and ask questions. If one has not done it before a pendulum is quite helpful for yes and no questions and to build confidence in one's own psychic abilities. We do not need channelers, to give them power is to relinquish some of the power we have to create our own dreams

If one thinks what one wants and trust that the web of life and mother Earth will respond, the ideas soon flow. Of course if one is asking for something negative it may not happen altogether

Just some thoughts from my own experience

Realeyes
1st March 2012, 19:14
Confession: I am not a sports fan, and will avoid TV/Radio channels that are broadcasting sports whether it is football, golf, snooker etc. So I take control of my reality and simply hit the remote and change channels to watch something that really excites me.

I have absolutely nothing against anyone who is a sports lover, quite the contrary – I personally was very sporty in my youth being a very good long distance runner, played in a teams for netball, football, hockey and loved canoeing and rock climbing. So I do understand and admire talent, skill and great feats. I choose nowadays not to place my focus on something that promotes competition; I don’t like the energy – my choice, my opinion – my ‘Unique Beingness’.

AND, recognising my unique beingingness allows me to ALLOW others to ‘BE’ as they so choose also. I don’t curse the sports channels, nor turn into their greatest critic – why would I waste my precious creative time and focus? AND what would it achieve.... apart from breeding inner frustration????

I simply switch channels/frequency and focus on what excites me, fires my passion and creative imaginations deep in my soul – then we have true fire of the Spirit and contributing in an evolutionary way to Source/God/Greater Intelligence/Isness etc, etc.

IF Source only desired ONE ‘story’, only one Explorer would have been sent out on a walk. Smile

stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 19:26
This is not about "the one story" this is about unmasking liers that spread disinformation. Looking to the other side only perpetuates the explotation of those that do not have enough experience to discern whether the GFL is telling the true or is telling lies

The bottom line is that they have been caught repeatedly liying and predicting events that have not happened

If GFL was not such a brain washing cult people would have been able to see that they have been let down and that GFL is a fantasy not a reality

In Nazi Germany people looked too to the other side and pretended the gas camps were not happening. Of course things are not so dramatic here but who can tell this is not going to end like Heavens Gate in mass suicide

The GFL has for that reason been put under cult watch and that is saying a lot about the concerns and complains people are putting to the authorities

So shall we pretend is not happening and people are not being deceived? there is plenty proof that is the case

modwiz
1st March 2012, 19:36
I am saying that 99,9 pct of channelers are liars seeking attention and wealth which is why there is no evidence


I may not agree with your percentage but I agree with the sentiment and that the percentage is very high.


In my own personal life I have been given information relevant to what will shortly happen and suggestions about what to do. This morning for example I kind of felt guilty because I should be planting my tomatoes but I felt a lot of resistance. I got my pendulums and asked and both confirmed that I should not plant now

It is the correct Moon cycle (waxing) for planting seeds, but the Moon is in an Air sign Gemini, which is not so good. It is going into Cancer, a Water sign, within a day or two and that is a sweet sign for planting. Nice pendulum work. :thumb:

stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 19:40
I am actually in shock to see how people are being blinded. Take for example Bill Wood, many people is up in arms because he lied and Kerry Cassidy has been critizised for that. But take Viking and the rest of the "cult and paste" brigade and it is ok that they post lies again and again and again and again.....Am I missing something or this is double standards

Because the problem with all these channelings is not only that they are lies, is that the "cult and paste" brigade goes all around the rest of this forum and either mock, ridiculize or undermine any information that disagrees with the channelings

So who are the ones that do not respect other people?
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In my own personal life I have been given information relevant to what will shortly happen and suggestions about what to do. This morning for example I kind of felt guilty because I should be planting my tomatoes but I felt a lot of resistance. I got my pendulums and asked and both confirmed that I should not plant now

It is the correct Moon cycle (waxing) for planting seeds, but the Moon is in an Air sign Gemini, which is not so good. It is going into Cancer, a Water sign, with in a day or two and that is a sweet sign for planting. Nice pendulum work. :thumb:

Thank you Modwiz

ViralSpiral
1st March 2012, 19:59
Stardustaquarion, I truly fail to see why you are on such a crusade to call people out as liars.

If you are a follower of Gangaji's (as I note in your signature - and I am an admirer), you may have come across a book of hers: A diamond in your pocket.

It really is a gem.

Different cultures and subcultures tend to elevate certain states of consciousness and devalue other, apparently opposing states.
However, if we stop valuing one state over another - even for just a moment - then we can discover the awareness itself is continuous, and that all states move in and out of awareness.


To harbour disrespect for alternate views or beliefs, is in my opinion, poison. Let them be in their ways, cult or no cult


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gooty64
1st March 2012, 20:05
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stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 20:08
I am sorry viralspiral but I fail to see why you think that liying is ok. It is only because we have allowed things and look to the other side, give in again and again that the planet is in the state it is. Live and let live only applies when there is a level playing field and that is not the case here

I am calling liers the channelers and the GFL none of which are members of this forum. And yes I think is fullish to spread lies because one then become accomplice of the lies

One of the most important principles of being human is "do not harm" and that is precisely what is being ignored. Spreding disinformation and false hope harms humanity because it bends the frequencies and it causes earth changes. Things are not simple. THe web of life is complex and if we do not start to take responsibility for the harmony of the planet and humanity things will only get worse

ViralSpiral
1st March 2012, 20:16
People lie.
Disinformation is spread.
Of course its not okay.
Perhaps I am too detached.


Carry on

greybeard
1st March 2012, 20:20
Byron Katie said

"There is our business, other peoples business, Gods business. The more time we spend in our own business the better."

Also

"Life happens for you not to you"

Many a time I have gone in the wrong direction but I learned from it greatly--- It was necessary for my development.
I often thought I was on the right track and strongly defended my point of view.
Now I dont hold a point of view.

"A Course in Miracles helped greatly"

A quote

"Anytime you take up a position know that you are identifying with an illusion"

At long last I just let people be.

Yes I would stop people walking in front of bus because that is obviously undeniably life threatening.

Some/most channeling may be untrue though perhaps well meant, but the followers have a positive intention and thats better than having malicious intent.

Chris

stardustaquarion
1st March 2012, 20:23
Thank you viralspiral. My point being that this is a site dedicated to uncover conspiracies and it is somehow paradoxical that there is a conspiracy to spread disinformation in front of our very eyes but because the people that spread the disinformation belongs to the forum we are reluctant to see it

It is called cognitive disonace and we all suffer from that to a point because reality is not what we have been lead to believe

I just don't want people getting hurt, let alone kill themselves because the evacuation will not happen

9eagle9
1st March 2012, 21:21
One... Stardust isn't effected or damaged by GFL, there's no evidence of marytr dom here. We are identifying a program at work. It is a program based on a grain of reality. These channelings started in the 60's and were a bit more coherent then.

However people created a belief, a religion around it. it became its own CULT-ure. Something infilitrated the orginal messages and began to replicate them. Who knows where they orginal channelings and messages got off to. It's a corportate take over, the same way the Vatican took over early Christianity.

No one here personally gives a **** about something that is not real in the first place. It's not personally causing us harm, its being identified as a corporate take over and we are simply evidence, the evidence is created by those who are programmed by it. So you can make any rationalization that you want that we are martyrs but have provided no evidence that any of this Channeling or posting is harming us. And you can't, unless you're really dumbed down, that would be admission that it was okay to keep posting something that harmed people.

There is absoluty no way that programming can get around me and you see others like Stardust there, that it can't get around them either. Programming can't get around reality. That's not a martyr. A matryr is a victim not a victor.

If people want to be martyrs to this crap go crawl off somewhere and die. A martyr is someone who dies for a cause and it appears that people who are identifying what this crap is , are alive and well.

and....kicking.


I'm far more intellgient than a program. If we claimed that program was harming us , psychologically, the forum would be under a great deal of presure to shut it down completely. You are implicating right now that the material is somehow damaging enough to cause martyrdom, by your own accusation.

Do you feel that something you feel is harming someone should be continued to be posted? If it is a damaging and hurtful as you mockingly suggest why would you push to have it protected?


You don't seem to realize just how much you have revealed about yourself there. Lying is based on human intellgience, a program just repeats itself.


Programming and lying are two different things. The programmed GFL stories are just broken records, tapes, agreements, contracts--Programming--playing over and over again. It takes a clever human to be a good liar, artifical intellgience just spreads the same disinformation over and again.

greybeard
1st March 2012, 21:50
In my experience the more you tell people they got it wrong the more they get entrenched in their position.
What we resist persists.

At one point in time the teachings of A.D, was a big thing on this forum I with others pointed out the flaws in the teaching.
People took sides eventually it died down.
Some time later some members realized that their previously held support of the teachings was inappropriate and honestly shared their experiences which were not pleasant.
They came to that conclusion all on there own.

I learned I cant change an others strongly held point of view--- so I just leave people to their own journey now.

Regards Chris

9eagle9
1st March 2012, 22:04
With this sort of programming there isn't even a choice to be wrong. Or right. There are no choices at all. Defining right or wrong is entirely taken out of the equation. They have no choice in the matter of at all. Its rather like trying to rationalize that a broken record player is right or wrong. Or immoral .The workings of the human ego will resist being wrong, and just retrenches in it's position. If it were that simple this would all be very easy.

This is a program running, so there's no choice even to be right or wrong in plain old egotistical workings. It's an aritficial intelligence that has assimilated even the ego, another more artifical sort of intellgience or at least one that operates from faulty perceptions of reality. It's like being assimilated by another ego.

Billy
2nd March 2012, 15:29
Imagination or direct cognition IS NOT CHANNELING

Some would disagree that imagination and channeling are not connected, but that was not the point of my answer in my first post, My point was that many channeled messages asks humanity to use their imagination with purpose and intention to co-create/manifest certain events



We all have imagination and we all use it everyday...we do not go around saying to people that we are talking to Archangels or ascended masters

You know what gets me the most is that there are no archangels in the bible and there are no ascended masters

As i posted above, Most ancient scriptures were channeled, much of the bible included. if you research the book of Enoch you can read of the roles of all Angels and Archangels. But Angels are just a name given for beings that were interacting with humanity in those times. In some OT biblical books they are also described as Men.



There is where all this channeling "ascended masters" started. All the ones that came after are plagiarists that have not brought to humanity anything new or anything useful

Asking humanity to use their imagination with intention and action to co-create a change, i believe is exellent and usefull advise. but that is my personal perpective



Channeling is just believing and I grant that people can believe in Mickey Mouse if they want but it does not make it real. Indeed, I consider all these a waste of our valuable time that could be better utilized building a better world[COLOR="red"]


That would be your own perpective and may not be a truth. Each to their own. Live and let live.

peace

EDIT: i see Stardustaquarion has a three day vacation. did i miss something??

9eagle9
2nd March 2012, 16:35
Does it tell them how to co-create and manifest? Or does it just tell them to do it. Or what prevents co creation in in the first place .Much of it is focused on the material. Gold, havng everything come to you for free, some world of ease and material pleasure but doesn't say that one can have have contended life now without ever having their external material circumstances change.

It may say we are blind and not awake but it seldom reveals the steps invovled in taking the blinders from perception. For those who are duped by false messages revealing how one begins to see differently, to begin to manifest effortlessly from the inside out, would reveal their own program. As soon as that information is revealed so is the constructs runnign it. It repeatedly asking one to make contract with something non evidential. That creates MORE of what prevents co creation and manifesation. A cluttered consciousness filled with all sorts of empty information doesn't co create or manifest.

There is a organic and conscious reason, a dis-ease of consciousness that results in being unable to express our higher potential. And certain messages encourage you to do that but don't reveal how. One form of channeling just promotes a belief, the other the means of clearing out what may be preventing one from intiating what is rightfully theirs. If people have trouble with their material existence what if a channeled messages suggested to see if you had at one time taken a vow of poverty. Or are afraid to speak your truth, you may have a vow of silence. Those sorts of messages are relevant to spirit seekers, because most of what prohibits a spiritual presence in the present, is based on a agreement made in the past.

Stardust very likely got a three day vacation because someone's belief system got insulted. How a belief gets insulted is another is just another symptom of how channeled messages cause one to tie up their self identity in artifical concepts.





Imagination or direct cognition IS NOT CHANNELING

Some would disagree that imagination and channeling are not connected, but that was not the point of my answer in my first post, My point was that many channeled messages asks humanity to use their imagination with purpose and intention to co-create/manifest certain events



We all have imagination and we all use it everyday...we do not go around saying to people that we are talking to Archangels or ascended masters

You know what gets me the most is that there are no archangels in the bible and there are no ascended masters

As i posted above, Most ancient scriptures were channeled, much of the bible included. if you research the book of Enoch you can read of the roles of all Angels and Archangels. But Angels are just a name given for beings that were interacting with humanity in those times. In some OT biblical books they are also described as Men.



There is where all this channeling "ascended masters" started. All the ones that came after are plagiarists that have not brought to humanity anything new or anything useful

Asking humanity to use their imagination with intention and action to co-create a change, i believe is exellent and usefull advise. but that is my personal perpective



Channeling is just believing and I grant that people can believe in Mickey Mouse if they want but it does not make it real. Indeed, I consider all these a waste of our valuable time that could be better utilized building a better world[COLOR="red"]


That would be your own perpective and may not be a truth. Each to their own. Live and let live.

peace

EDIT: i see Stardustaquarion has a three day vacation. did i miss something??

Billy
2nd March 2012, 17:58
Does it tell them how to co-create and manifest? Or does it just tell them to do it. Or what prevents co creation in in the first place .Much of it is focused on the material. Gold, havng everything come to you for free, some world of ease and material pleasure but doesn't say that one can have have contended life now without ever having their external material circumstances change.

It may say we are blind and not awake but it seldom reveals the steps invovled in taking the blinders from perception. For those who are duped by false messages revealing how one begins to see differently, to begin to manifest effortlessly from the inside out, would reveal their own program. As soon as that information is revealed so is the constructs runnign it. It repeatedly asking one to make contract with something non evidential. That creates MORE of what prevents co creation and manifesation. A cluttered consciousness filled with all sorts of empty information doesn't co create or manifest.

There is a organic and conscious reason, a dis-ease of consciousness that results in being unable to express our higher potential. And certain messages encourage you to do that but don't reveal how. One form of channeling just promotes a belief, the other the means of clearing out what may be preventing one from intiating what is rightfully theirs. If people have trouble with their material existence what if a channeled messages suggested to see if you had at one time taken a vow of poverty. Or are afraid to speak your truth, you may have a vow of silence. Those sorts of messages are relevant to spirit seekers, because most of what prohibits a spiritual presence in the present, is based on a agreement made in the past.

Stardust very likely got a three day vacation because someone's belief system got insulted. How a belief gets insulted is another is just another symptom of how channeled messages cause one to tie up their self identity in artifical concepts.





Imagination or direct cognition IS NOT CHANNELING

Some would disagree that imagination and channeling are not connected, but that was not the point of my answer in my first post, My point was that many channeled messages asks humanity to use their imagination with purpose and intention to co-create/manifest certain events



We all have imagination and we all use it everyday...we do not go around saying to people that we are talking to Archangels or ascended masters

You know what gets me the most is that there are no archangels in the bible and there are no ascended masters

As i posted above, Most ancient scriptures were channeled, much of the bible included. if you research the book of Enoch you can read of the roles of all Angels and Archangels. But Angels are just a name given for beings that were interacting with humanity in those times. In some OT biblical books they are also described as Men.



There is where all this channeling "ascended masters" started. All the ones that came after are plagiarists that have not brought to humanity anything new or anything useful

Asking humanity to use their imagination with intention and action to co-create a change, i believe is exellent and usefull advise. but that is my personal perpective



Channeling is just believing and I grant that people can believe in Mickey Mouse if they want but it does not make it real. Indeed, I consider all these a waste of our valuable time that could be better utilized building a better world[COLOR="red"]


That would be your own perpective and may not be a truth. Each to their own. Live and let live.

peace

EDIT: i see Stardustaquarion has a three day vacation. did i miss something??

Read my Signature, This is how it is manifested. Peace

Earth Angel
2nd March 2012, 21:04
If you have watched or read anything by Esther Hicks who channels Abraham you will find LOTS of useful information......no psychic predictions but lots of very useful information
http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/about_abraham.php


a group of people who believe in and channel spiritual galactic aliens/angels :wacko:

Either:

(1) Spiritual aliens exist

or

(2) Crazy people exist

Hmmmmm...

:bs:

Maybe one day someone'll channel some useful information.

Billy
3rd March 2012, 12:50
If you have watched or read anything by Esther Hicks who channels Abraham you will find LOTS of useful information......no psychic predictions but lots of very useful information
http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/about_abraham.php


a group of people who believe in and channel spiritual galactic aliens/angels :wacko:

Either:

(1) Spiritual aliens exist

or

(2) Crazy people exist

Hmmmmm...

:bs:

Maybe one day someone'll channel some useful information.

Bashar also :thumb:

foreverfan
11th March 2012, 06:14
How can anybody say there's no proof. Don't they have hundreds of videos on YouTube?

I've watched Salusa's video for a while now.
They are loaded with important tidbits and fun to listen to. I find them no more fantasy and more creditable than listening to Fox News or MSNBC. Besides, where else are you going to get the New Age news hot off the wire?

I love the GFL.
The first time my wife and I watched it, we were hooked like an enlightened new age junkie. The message was positive so we watched a few more. I did notice that they predicted events after they happened. This was just like the MSM so it seemed really creditable. Besides, if you can't listen to an ascended master or archangel, who can you listen to? Who are you going to trust, James Carville?

http://www.charlierose.com/images_toplevel/content/10/1027/segment_10277_460x345.jpg

The biggest news for me is they plan to harvest people
who ascend in the near future. I told my wife, I've done all I can do in this life, so I may be out of here come December. Didn't Wilcock say he was going to travel on one of their ships at some time in the near future? Maybe I can hang around with Dave and give him a few pointers. That would be cool.

You know, I'm going to feel like a fool when they turn out to be real.
Maybe I'll just tell everybody "I told you so".

FF

jackovesk
11th March 2012, 06:37
What can you say, but (HOPE) sells...:yes4:

So you see it does'nt matter if there is any Truth to it or Not...:noidea:

Welcome to GFL (World)...:)

Erich
11th March 2012, 07:00
I will not trust or believe any message before there is solid evidence that they actually exist.

Then you won't contribute much. You just follow what other people do or prove.

songsfortheotherkind
11th March 2012, 10:41
Indeed, I consider all these a waste of our valuable time that could be better utilized building a better world

I find this... *shakes head* so, if you consider it a waste of your valuable time, why are you commenting on this thread? Apparently you have clear opinions about how a 'better world' can be built- does this include the activity of telling others that they are wasting 'our' valuable time and should be doing something that better meets your approval?

I am being quite genuine here- aren't you just as guilty of wasting 'our' valuable time by engaging in such protestations? Don't you have more important things to do in the business of building this 'better world' you mentioned? Is part of the practices of this 'better world' to make decisions and judgements for others as to what meets the definitions of activities that don't waste our valuable time? If these *are* part of the practices of this 'better world', then from my perspective it looks exactly like the world that is in existence now. So I'm seeing nothing evolved or new at all, certainly nothing which could be described as 'better'.

Hitler had some personal opinions regarding what a 'better' world would look like. Things didn't go well with that, nor has it gone well any other time someone decided that they had the goods on what a 'better world' would look like. A world that does not include the peaceful right for *all Beings* to pursue their personal evolutionary path, regardless of how self righteous, indignant, smugly superior, self congratulatory, self justified or whatever any other Being might consider themselves to be in relation to that path, is not, as far as I can discern, a 'better' world at all.

This species that calls itself 'human' apparently can't even get past 'Acceptance for All Beings 101'.

TigaHawk
11th March 2012, 11:32
*has a personal opinion that the GLF stuff is being done by a bunch of bored employee's that have a lazy boss that doesnt kick their butts to work everyday, so they use the time to make trolololol stories instead*