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3rd March 2012, 22:43
We know that free will is one of a universal laws but are we in a free will zone? Is humanity choosing what is the best for them. If we are under others control it means that our free will is missing here. We are obligated to work for them, to buy what they sell, to drink their poison , to live by their rules and if someone try to change something big or inform people, they will be in prison or probably dead. Mind control is free will enemy and they are attacking us every day.
Many people are awakening these days but still living every day life in evil control without other choice.

3rd March 2012, 23:11
Free will is an illusion of time. If you simplify time out of the equation, so to speak, then your actions can be represented by a point instead of a line, geometrically speaking.

We are all just actors, playing out the parts that have been written before we were born into this world. Our higher selves are the writers of our own lives. Everything happens exactly as it should, in perfection and synchronicity.

Humans are so hilarious (oblivious to source) that we deny this in order to maintain the mode of being swept up in the drama of things.

The One
3rd March 2012, 23:22
Its a bit like where did we come from and why are we here? What is the nature of the path we tread and where does it lead? We entrust these deep questions to Religion and Science, the mainstays of modern society, but do they really offer us a path to the truth? Are we the product of a Divine Creation, did we evolve through natural selection, or is there another possible answer?

The evolutionary progress of an organism is sometimes compared to the perilous ascent of a mountain. Random genetic mutations cause the weakest individuals to fall to their deaths, while the strongest continue onwards and upwards. There is no turning back, no undoing of the evolutionary moves that eventually carry the organism to the mountain peak. Human knowledge works in the same way. How can science proceed other than to build on what has gone before?

Theology - the study of religion - is no different. As the scientists ascend one peak of knowledge, the religious philosophers ascend another. In modern times, the ascent of Religion seems to have been stalled by dogma, whilst Science, in contrast, continues to race forever upwards towards higher peaks. The eagerness of the scientists is such that no time is allowed and no points awarded for an inspection of the mountain’s foundations.

Five hundred years ago Nicolaus Copernicus was virtually lynched when he dared to suggest that the Earth revolved around the Sun. If Religion and Science were to one day find someone like Copernicus waving from a higher mountain, a higher form of truth, they would hardly give a friendly wave back. The Mountain of Truth would be dismissed as the Mountain of Myth, or perhaps the Mountain of Fantasy. This brings us to the crux of so-called myths and so-called truths, which can best be illustrated by playing a simple game. Which of the following is the myth and which is the truth?

The Biblical account of Divine Creation

Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection, as it applies to mankind

The Andean account of the creation of mankind by the Gods at Lake Titicaca in Bolivia

The scientist would say that only Darwinism can be scientifically proven, so the others are myths. The theologians would say that Andean creation was obviously a myth, that Darwinism was probably a lie, a mistake or at best only a theory, and that the only truth was the divine revelation.

Wrong and wrong again. All of the above statements are myths! Although the word “myth” is synonymous with “lie”, the dictionary definition is actually “a fictitious or unproven person or thing”. But in whose view does it need to be fictitious or unproven? Truth is thus totally in the mind of the beholder, and it all depends on the paradigm, or frame of reference, of the beholder. Let us briefly examine those paradigms. If you have been brought up in a religious environment, your paradigm - or belief set - will strongly prejudice you against accepting anything that contradicts the firmly implanted notion that there is One Almighty God who created us from dust.

If you have undergone a scientific training and are encouraged to seek a rational explanation for everything, then a Divine Creation simply does not fit your preconceptions of a logical, comprehensible world. Perhaps Darwinism as a general principle does, but as we shall see later, it remains very controversial when applied to mankind. If, on the other hand, you are a Peruvian who has never read the Bible or the theory of evolution, then the Andean legend is your supreme belief.


3rd March 2012, 23:31
I feel that, we are free to "choose" the decision me make, but since we are not in control of the circumstances that surround our decisions, then our free will has been taken away.

For example, we can choose which school to sent our kids to (or for ourselves to attend), but we cannot dictate how these learning opportunities are created. In the US, most schools are federal "institutions".
Another example, once you marry and have children, if you divorce, the laws in place(can) prevent you from residing where ever you desire.

You cannot choose how you medically treat (or not), your children if they become sick. etc. etc.

I feel like my entire life experience is based on decisions that other people make. In turn, I feel like a prisoner. I am not free. I don't have free will.